December 15, 2025 • 25 mins
Jules is reacting to the Patriots loss to the Buffalo Bills on Sunday, plus some of the other notable games and news across the NFL after a wild Week 15.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Boy, we had a big divisional matchup this weekend in Foxborough,
and so we decided to come in the nuthouse and
hop on and bring you guys another recap. Let's get
into it. We have to start off, do we have to?
We have to the Bills versus the Pats rematch Dan
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the series in Foxborough between.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
No, we're not that far. Okay, we're not that far.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Buffalo beats New York. Buffalo beats New England in week
five rematch after starting twenty oh twenty one. Skunk. We
had a skunk. If this was a Madden game, we
would have turned it off. We would have turned it off.
It would have been the next player on.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, what's your big takeaway from this game?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Big takeaways? Josh Allen's MVP. Oh, I know we're gonna
jump into it later in the show, but you know,
you first half looked good. Drake did it with his legs,
had a couple good throws. Everything was going all right.
But you gotta you make your name in that second
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half of these kind of games. And Josh Allen in
the second half five straight touchdowns, Yeah, five straight touchdowns.
They got the running game going. Now you you definitely
saw how deficient the defense for the Patriots was without
Mount Williams in a gotta have it type game. You
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they're they were undermanned, But so is the Buffalo Bill,
so is everyone else. I think my ultimate reaction action
was Josh Allen's MVP two. Patriots may have needed to
have this loss going into this back end of the
It's not unrealistic this season, It's not three. The game
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seemed a little seemed a little too bright for the
Patriots at the end when it was nut cutting time.
It was nut cutting time. I mean two, three and
ounce in the second half, you know, turnover on downs
when you needed it, needed something. This could have been
the moment where Drake could have been Like if Drake
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would have had a moment in the second half where
they go out and he would have been an MVP talks.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Still, Yeah, couldn't get a stop on defense.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Couldn't get a stop on defense.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
A lot of I mean we didn't even talk about penalties,
a lot of ticket taken penalties, but just couldn't get
off the field.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Everyone wants to like that's why we were sitting here
talking about this game with all my Boston you know,
my my group of people that we go over and
recap all the games, and everyone's like, oh, the penalty,
no eure rope twenty seven to seven or twenty twenty
four to seven a half time. Okay, there's gonna be penalties,
you know, and that's not gonna make or break the game.
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The going three and out, we'll make or break a game.
The kickoff out of halftime for fifty eight yards or
whatever it was, we'll break the game. You know. I
took a thirty five minute nap. I went to bed
because I get up on Sundays. I get up at
four am to go do Fox kickoff, and then I
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come back, I'll watch, I'll start to watch the beginning
slate and then I usually i'll nap for that second quarter. Yeah,
and I go to sleep. It's twenty four to seven.
I wake up. The Patriots are losing like that. That
that's crazy to me. You know, the defense needed to
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find something in the second half. No adjustments. Clearly the
Buffalo Bills made adjustments at half.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I also thinks as cool as that second Henderson and
touchdown was like they had no run game and you
let the defense on the field so long in the
second half. You know, quick stretch. Now you score, you
score a touchdown, great, it's awesome. But like defense, gotta bree.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Pass rush wasn't there? There was no pass rush in
the second half. There's the game the touchdown where Josh
Allen had in the red area there he could have
ran that in. Yeah, you know there was Where was
our rush lane integrity? But look, that's why that's why
they're the defending a FC East champions. You know, it's
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it's that was the Josh Allen game. What are some
and cooks.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Cooks ball to what are some what are some positives here?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
We're no secret or mostly a Patriots fan base show
what are some positives here from the Patriots?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
What can they take away from this game?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Positives? Trevion Henderson, that's a positive going in to the
playoff time. Uh, you know, they really didn't rush the
ball that much because they were held off the field
all second half. They had they had twenty rushes and
you know, look, Rimandre had one hundred and forty eight
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on fourteen, Stevenson had six on fifty. They had good
run games going. It's just you gotta be able to
convert on third down. Red Area foes. There were two
for three.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
But activated Drake May a little bit more and.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
You got to run earlier. That was early though, Yeah,
that was early.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
You know, a lot of the topic of conversation has
been Patriots kind of bad and Red Area and the
start of this game successful.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
There a lot of penalties offside it too, just.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I mean, you know, also, like we said earlier, this
could help them, you know, to show that no, ten
game winning streaks aren't like just real. It's after you
start winning like that, you know, you gotta be able
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to play. You gotta continue to play good football. You're
not gonna slap it out there in the second half
against defending AFC's champions and think that they're not gonna
come back.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
It's a good lesson to learn it for a young team,
this point.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
A great lesson to learn. But they got to pick
it up because they got they gotta go out and
beat Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Now that's not a Sunday night game.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Sunday Night football, Baltimore Baltimore. I mean, I don't know
if we're going over that game, but Bengals basically just quit.
They quit on the season. I touched down the Kyle
van noy to. How about vanoy he's a smart player. Yeah, yeah,
I he was probably thinking, I gotta go to If
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I run this thing back and we score real quick,
I'm gonna be on the field quicker. I need to
get my my rest to recovery. Give it to young guy,
go score.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah. Also Travis Scott, what was a turnover interception?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
The punt?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, the arm punt, that was it.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, and it's just that's some controversy about another one.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
But oh the Marcus Jones.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Ty goes to the runner.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, I've heard that twice now this year about the
tie goes to the offense on a catch. I've never
heard that in my life.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
It's true, you guys got all the breaks on offense.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
But I've never heard the tie goes to There's never
been I've never heard that rule. Yeah, it's the first
time i've heard. I've heard it twice. Now, tie goes
to the receiver if it's.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
If it's a shared possession of and it's a catch,
it's a shared possession, it goes to the offensive player.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It's happened a few.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Times, I know, but I've specifically heard it this year.
What else about this?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Now? You now put yourself in your like their shoes. Right,
you played there, you had situations like.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
This is this, Uh, what are you taking away from
this game? What are you talking about today? Like, how
do you what can you do to you know, learn
or whatever from this game?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Look, boys, this is a reminder how delicate these games are.
Every play matters. That third down coming out of the half,
that third down that we came out of half after
we just let them score, may not no one remembers it,
but that third down could have been the play or
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the next third down, or the next first down or
the next like, every play matters. Every play to this
point has to have that much focus and urgency, you know,
and that and that's what this can be a reminder of. Man,
they were close, that they had an opportunity to win
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it right there. But look, now, is Buffalo gonna catch them?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
They could.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Patriots do have the I think easiest final schedule at
anyone in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, but Miami's playing tough.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Miami's frisky, Baltimore's got some stuff going on.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Miami's playing tonight on a four game heater, right yeah
against Steelers.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah in Steelers, Yeah, I think it might be.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, but all right, Buffalo Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Is at Cleveland. Miles Garrett Is won away.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Went away.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, it's gonna get Josh Allen give himself.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
What did I say this?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
This?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I blacked out on what I just said because I'm
so pissed off about that. But look, this is a
young football team. They don't have to finish games yet.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Learn a lesson, Learn a lesson. I think you're right
about going into the postseason. Let's say they won the
last games on on a long win streak. It's like
those like undefeated NCAA Basketball Gate College teams when they're
on the phoenix, like, oh, you just gotta lose one,
get it out of the way.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Oh for one on fourth, five for ten on third.
Too many penalties, I mean they they just things were
clicking in that first half. Gotta be able to adjust.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Ye, bounce back next week.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Bounce back next week. Let's take a look at some
of the storylines from the rest of Week fifteen.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Philip Rivers. Philip Rivers finished the game.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
That's a plus almost one. They got close that's another plus.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
One hundred twenty yards one touchdown, good eighteen for twenty seven,
one pick, they're.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Gonna make this a Disney movie.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
What would you call it? The old Gray mayor what
do you to? I don't know, I got nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I don't know what I want last year, but they
had an opportunity to win. Yeah, and it went as
best as it could have possibly went for that situation.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Also, like old or whatever, he was off the street
a week ago.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
No, this is impressive as hell. This is this is
gonna raise the Achilles tear rate for all thirty eight
to fifty people because of him coming out off the street. No,
people are going to tear their achilles left and right
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because Philip Rivers came in with a beer belly and
competed against NFL athletes and made it through a game.
Because now every joker thinks that they could just come
off the street and go play in their local basketball
game or their flag football game.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
You were with Tom in the studio yesterday at Fox, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Did he was he getting a little you know? Was
he looking at this with a little steely eye.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
That just confirmed to me that if Tom could still
win a Super Bowl for the Raiders. No, not for
the Raiders, not with that offensive line. If you protect Tom.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
On the Colts.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Nah, I don't know about the Colts either. He'd have
to go to like the Chiefs. No, not the Chiefs.
The line he'd have to go to like Philadelphia, but
they don't have no line neither. He'd have to go
to solid out a line. Look, this was awesome to see.
I mean he didn't throw a ball over fifteen eighteen yards. Yeah,
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but he got them in the right place. He executed
the screen game very well. I mean, this was it
was fun to watch. It was much must watch TV.
I was watching. I was glued to it. I was like,
what's he gonna do? He was like farting that thing
out there. He'd shoot that day. Guys would he would
throw the out route you see that one, and a
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guy would try to break it up and he was
too early, and then the ball would come.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
It's like a change up.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It was a full change up. It was it was.
It was fucking awesome to see that. But I do
want to see the Achilles rate for men thirty eight
to fifty after this, Hey.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Peyton Manny want to suit both in can be done?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Mahomes Chief Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It's got to be said. The Chiefs were out of
the playoffs before Mahomes towards.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Aco regardless, That's just that was terrible. Yeah, but you know,
I mean, all good things come to an end.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, hell me back will they in some capacity?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, They're gonna be back, like in a couple of years. Yeah,
but they got they got a lot of holes. Yeah,
they gotta they.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Gotta make some roster moves, some hard roster moves. They
got hit on the draft.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Gotta hit on the draft. They gotta find some gems,
which you know.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, and then Michaeh Parsons also.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Is it confirmed that changed the dynamic of that whole
that whole conference. They know, that makes me more scared
of the Niners. Okay, you know because once once they
get in Shanahan, all the experience they have in the playoffs,
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Shan's had a beat up defense the whole year, and
that like, these beat up defensive guys are starting to
come together. They're starting to become I mean, they gave
up a boatload of yards in the rush game to Titans,
but they play complimentary football. They they become more scary
because Michael Parsons towards a cl and Watson's out, I
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think I feel DeVante Adams in the hamstring. That could
be huge for this week's Thursday night matchup against the
Seattle Seahawks. That that's a huge game. Who had like
two hundred yards one hundred and eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, hookah, he's he's just.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
He's just brute, brute strong, and he's got a little
basketball to him. He can go up and get balls.
He does a lot of dirty work, a lot of
run after catch, run through contact.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Is he the best receiver in the NFL right now?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Nah? No, I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't go
that far. He's damn good yea, because because of the
play caller in the quarterback he has, he's a great
fit for that offense. But when it comes to sheer, like,
I don't know, he's he's balling. Yeah, he's in the conversation.
But I mean JSN is pretty elite at his route running.
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If you put Jefferson on Jamar Chase situation, like I
think Jamar Chase can do everything, Like he could do everything,
but I mean as far as like route running, yards
after catch, fifty to fifty balls. The one thing that
puka his route running versus man coverage. He gets open
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because he's just so damn big and physical with guys. Yeah,
he's you know what I mean, that was scary when
he went down too with the foot for a second,
that was that would have been real bad. But look
those Lions, they've they've developed this thirteen package that everyone's
been talking about on every fucking broadcast, which is one
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running back, three tight ends, and you know, that whole
thing that can help them going from here on out
because they're not so reliant on the receivers when they
can play matchup game and when you're in those types
of personnel groups, you get very vanilla cover bridge and
so that's why you see those a lot. So then
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if you have guys that are smart enough, you could
spread them out. You can manipulate coverage with those packages.
So there's still this This week is gonna be a
huge game because Sam Darnold, he hadn't been playing his
best in these last few weeks. We're starting to get
I see ghost Sammy, which happened this time last year
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with Minnesota. But that defense, that defense is really good.
How about these Jacksonville Jaguars, No one wants to talk
about them. Trevor Lawrence going out throwing five touchdowns, rushing
for one, rushing for fifty yards, and their defense is good.
What's their remainers? I mean, they are these these dudes.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
They've got at Broncos, tough game, tough game.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Then they got at Colts, Colts, and then they got
Titans at home.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
That's tough Titans. I mean, they just gotta beat the no.
I mean really it's the Broncos. Okay, let's wait, wait, wait, Broncos.
You gotta give we gotta give a little flower to
bo Nicks. That was a big game for bow Knicks
and they needed that offensive performance against a good football team.
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Bo Nix throws for four touchdowns, threadn needle not just
catching runs, hitting steam routes, hitting deep backside corner all all.
You like that. He had some seeds. He gets so
happy in that pocket with his feet. But you know,
you you watch him sometimes, I guess that's the way
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he plays because he seems like he's in control, but
is he in control? But is he out of control?
But he doesn't turn the ball over. I like him
with Sean Payton, that's what you like. And defense, the
defense is really good too, I mean Nick, but it
was really impressive. Like the Packers played him tough that
first half, didn't have a sack. Broncos didn't have a
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sack for the first half, which I think was like
the first time in like a million years that they
haven't done that. And but that that that that Broncos
pass rush is like water. There's a crack in there.
It's gonna find its way through. And that's what happened
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at the end of that thing. You see Benito and Cooper,
they when they get tucked up and like in their
little jet four point stance, and then they fucking just
come off and they collapsed the There was one time
where they just both blew the tackles right into the
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lap of Jordan Love and like, I think the tackle
got the sack, but sack, but I think Alan scooped
off and got it because they got big interior guys.
The roach guys really good too. Is there a roach
over that team? I was watching some roach guy was
fucking balling at dtackle, like they look good. This is gonna.
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Is this the year of the defense, Malcolm Roach? Is
this the year of the defense?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Could be?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I mean, who's gonna or is Matts?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Whereas every year is the year of the defense.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Is it not like this because once you get in
the playoffs, you have Josh Allen who doesn't have a defense,
and then there's gonna be all teams with great defenses.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
And he hasn't won a championship.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Shit, they might just break the laws of football.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Let's wrap this thing up real quick. We were gonna
talk a little bit about the MVP race.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
It's either it's either Stafford or Allen right now, Drake
may it was great, but like, we need one more year.
We gotta get the floaties off.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Can I throw You might.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Like poop poo this, but can I throw Justin Herbert
in the mix? Just because what the Chargers are doing
and how they're doing it. They have no offensive line.
He's like willing them to win games. They're five in
the AFC West.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Look, I mean it doesn't look great.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
He's not put up the stats, but they're winning games.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
No it stad he is putting up. He's getting sacked
five times a game the last four weeks. Yeah, I
was so impressed when he when I saw him six
six nights out of surgery, put his hand under center
and take a snap that he.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Was doing stiff arm.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, you know, and I went on Fox Kickoff, and
I always talk about how I like big men at
the quarterback. I always talk about Herbert, But big men
can get hurt too. Big men can get hurt in
this league too. And I don't know what Madison Beer
is doing over there to take care of him for recovery,
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but that that is impressive to go out there and
be able to play with a broken hand, stiff arm jokers,
put your hand under, take a snap on broke in
hand and somehow win NFL games because they are I
don't know if it's a product of them winning those games.
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They're playing teams that have been losing. Really the defense
mentor's got the defense going physical.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, to go into Arrowhead and beat the beat the Chiefs,
and that's a gotta have.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
That's the playoff game for the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
That's a playoff game for both because look, the Chargers
need it. You look at the back end of their schedule.
They got a fucking gauntlet. Look at the Chiefs or Charger.
I talked about it on our show. They got they
got both bad the best defensive lines. You got Broncos Houston.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
We got at Cowboys, they got Texans at home. And
then at Broncos.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, but now that that Cowboys game just got a
whole lot easier. I was really disappointed with the Cowboys
went on on a limb. You know, I've been talking
about them, and I'm like, not even a Cowboys guy.
I honestly don't like the Cowboys at all. But I've
gained a respect for Dak and this Cowboys and what
Jerry's kind of done, Like when everyone's zigg and he
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zags on this thing. Now they're gonna have options next year,
and I think they can build off this. I like Brian,
I like Shoddy the head coach. He's been doing good things,
but you gotta win these games. He had two games
they got, you know, they beat Philly, Kansas City, they
get in that three game heater, then they trick it
off to the Lions, trick it off to these Minnesota Vikings.
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That was come on, Cowboys, man, making me look dumb,
making me look dumb.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I think that's the perspective of most Cowboys fans too.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Made me look dumb. Man. I just want Jerry. I
was on Jerry's side. All right, let's wrap this up. Well,
let's wrap it up. It's cream season. This is Cream
season right now. This is officially Cream season week sixteen,
now fifteen in the books. Hit the comments if you
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want us to keep on doing these weekly recaps, send
us some comments the night before or whatever on what
we should.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Recap, or questions that we can answer.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Or questions we can answer. A new Games with Names tomorrow.
We got w W E Legend Seth Rawlins. Seth knows ball.
He's been on I seen him on NFL Kickoff or
what's he been on NFL Network. He's been on there
for like two weeks and he knows ball.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, he's a big ubarssan. We get into it. It's great.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
He loves embarrassing Cody Roads.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
It's a matchup with Cody rhod'z going.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, very good ones, good episode, and then new Dudes
on Dudes dropping this Thursday, maybe Friday, maybe Friday.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Scheduling with Rob scheduling Rob.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
He's been everywhere, He's been everywhere. The Grunk Bowl.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
It was fun.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It was fun.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, we got way better seats than last year, did you. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
We were like one box over in the end zone
and like you can't like that. See, everyone was in
the way. There was like wide open so you could
just you were on the field, you could see it
was cool.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Washington kicks the ship out of Bois date was that Jedfish.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Oh, I should have I had a soccer tournament so
I couldn't make it, which honestly, I probably should have
just went because our girls didn't have any effort. Got
their fucking teeth kicked in, got their teeth kicked in.
I don't know what we were doing. We were we
were out there picking daisies because we weren't playing. We
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were not picking, we weren't playing soccer, and we were
on a turf field. So that's how that tells you
how the daisy pick and went all right?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Like you subscribed, Like we'll do some youth girls soccer
recap next week.
Boy, we had a big divisional matchup this weekend in Foxborough,
and so we decided to come in the nuthouse and
hop on and bring you guys another recap. Let's get
into it. We have to start off, do we have to?
We have to the Bills versus the Pats rematch Dan
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the series in Foxborough between.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
No, we're not that far. Okay, we're not that far.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Buffalo beats New York. Buffalo beats New England in week
five rematch after starting twenty oh twenty one. Skunk. We
had a skunk. If this was a Madden game, we
would have turned it off. We would have turned it off.
It would have been the next player on.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, what's your big takeaway from this game?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Big takeaways? Josh Allen's MVP. Oh, I know we're gonna
jump into it later in the show, but you know,
you first half looked good. Drake did it with his legs,
had a couple good throws. Everything was going all right.
But you gotta you make your name in that second
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half of these kind of games. And Josh Allen in
the second half five straight touchdowns, Yeah, five straight touchdowns.
They got the running game going. Now you you definitely
saw how deficient the defense for the Patriots was without
Mount Williams in a gotta have it type game. You
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they're they were undermanned, But so is the Buffalo Bill,
so is everyone else. I think my ultimate reaction action
was Josh Allen's MVP two. Patriots may have needed to
have this loss going into this back end of the
It's not unrealistic this season, It's not three. The game
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seemed a little seemed a little too bright for the
Patriots at the end when it was nut cutting time.
It was nut cutting time. I mean two, three and
ounce in the second half, you know, turnover on downs
when you needed it, needed something. This could have been
the moment where Drake could have been Like if Drake
(02:29):
would have had a moment in the second half where
they go out and he would have been an MVP talks.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Still, Yeah, couldn't get a stop on defense.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Couldn't get a stop on defense.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
A lot of I mean we didn't even talk about penalties,
a lot of ticket taken penalties, but just couldn't get
off the field.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Everyone wants to like that's why we were sitting here
talking about this game with all my Boston you know,
my my group of people that we go over and
recap all the games, and everyone's like, oh, the penalty,
no eure rope twenty seven to seven or twenty twenty
four to seven a half time. Okay, there's gonna be penalties,
you know, and that's not gonna make or break the game.
(03:05):
The going three and out, we'll make or break a game.
The kickoff out of halftime for fifty eight yards or
whatever it was, we'll break the game. You know. I
took a thirty five minute nap. I went to bed
because I get up on Sundays. I get up at
four am to go do Fox kickoff, and then I
(03:28):
come back, I'll watch, I'll start to watch the beginning
slate and then I usually i'll nap for that second quarter. Yeah,
and I go to sleep. It's twenty four to seven.
I wake up. The Patriots are losing like that. That
that's crazy to me. You know, the defense needed to
(03:48):
find something in the second half. No adjustments. Clearly the
Buffalo Bills made adjustments at half.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I also thinks as cool as that second Henderson and
touchdown was like they had no run game and you
let the defense on the field so long in the
second half. You know, quick stretch. Now you score, you
score a touchdown, great, it's awesome. But like defense, gotta bree.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Pass rush wasn't there? There was no pass rush in
the second half. There's the game the touchdown where Josh
Allen had in the red area there he could have
ran that in. Yeah, you know there was Where was
our rush lane integrity? But look, that's why that's why
they're the defending a FC East champions. You know, it's
(04:38):
it's that was the Josh Allen game. What are some
and cooks.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Cooks ball to what are some what are some positives here?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
We're no secret or mostly a Patriots fan base show
what are some positives here from the Patriots?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
What can they take away from this game?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Positives? Trevion Henderson, that's a positive going in to the
playoff time. Uh, you know, they really didn't rush the
ball that much because they were held off the field
all second half. They had they had twenty rushes and
you know, look, Rimandre had one hundred and forty eight
(05:14):
on fourteen, Stevenson had six on fifty. They had good
run games going. It's just you gotta be able to
convert on third down. Red Area foes. There were two
for three.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
But activated Drake May a little bit more and.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
You got to run earlier. That was early though, Yeah,
that was early.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
You know, a lot of the topic of conversation has
been Patriots kind of bad and Red Area and the
start of this game successful.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
There a lot of penalties offside it too, just.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I mean, you know, also, like we said earlier, this
could help them, you know, to show that no, ten
game winning streaks aren't like just real. It's after you
start winning like that, you know, you gotta be able
(06:11):
to play. You gotta continue to play good football. You're
not gonna slap it out there in the second half
against defending AFC's champions and think that they're not gonna
come back.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
It's a good lesson to learn it for a young team,
this point.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
A great lesson to learn. But they got to pick
it up because they got they gotta go out and
beat Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Now that's not a Sunday night game.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Sunday Night football, Baltimore Baltimore. I mean, I don't know
if we're going over that game, but Bengals basically just quit.
They quit on the season. I touched down the Kyle
van noy to. How about vanoy he's a smart player. Yeah, yeah,
I he was probably thinking, I gotta go to If
(06:53):
I run this thing back and we score real quick,
I'm gonna be on the field quicker. I need to
get my my rest to recovery. Give it to young guy,
go score.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah. Also Travis Scott, what was a turnover interception?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
The punt?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, the arm punt, that was it.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, and it's just that's some controversy about another one.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
But oh the Marcus Jones.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Ty goes to the runner.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, I've heard that twice now this year about the
tie goes to the offense on a catch. I've never
heard that in my life.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
It's true, you guys got all the breaks on offense.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
But I've never heard the tie goes to There's never
been I've never heard that rule. Yeah, it's the first
time i've heard. I've heard it twice. Now, tie goes
to the receiver if it's.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
If it's a shared possession of and it's a catch,
it's a shared possession, it goes to the offensive player.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It's happened a few.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Times, I know, but I've specifically heard it this year.
What else about this?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Now? You now put yourself in your like their shoes. Right,
you played there, you had situations like.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
This is this, Uh, what are you taking away from
this game? What are you talking about today? Like, how
do you what can you do to you know, learn
or whatever from this game?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Look, boys, this is a reminder how delicate these games are.
Every play matters. That third down coming out of the half,
that third down that we came out of half after
we just let them score, may not no one remembers it,
but that third down could have been the play or
(08:40):
the next third down, or the next first down or
the next like, every play matters. Every play to this
point has to have that much focus and urgency, you know,
and that and that's what this can be a reminder of. Man,
they were close, that they had an opportunity to win
(09:01):
it right there. But look, now, is Buffalo gonna catch them?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
They could.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Patriots do have the I think easiest final schedule at
anyone in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, but Miami's playing tough.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Miami's frisky, Baltimore's got some stuff going on.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Miami's playing tonight on a four game heater, right yeah
against Steelers.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah in Steelers, Yeah, I think it might be.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, but all right, Buffalo Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Is at Cleveland. Miles Garrett Is won away.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Went away.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, it's gonna get Josh Allen give himself.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
What did I say this?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
This?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I blacked out on what I just said because I'm
so pissed off about that. But look, this is a
young football team. They don't have to finish games yet.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Learn a lesson, Learn a lesson. I think you're right
about going into the postseason. Let's say they won the
last games on on a long win streak. It's like
those like undefeated NCAA Basketball Gate College teams when they're
on the phoenix, like, oh, you just gotta lose one,
get it out of the way.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Oh for one on fourth, five for ten on third.
Too many penalties, I mean they they just things were
clicking in that first half. Gotta be able to adjust.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Ye, bounce back next week.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Bounce back next week. Let's take a look at some
of the storylines from the rest of Week fifteen.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Philip Rivers. Philip Rivers finished the game.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
That's a plus almost one. They got close that's another plus.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
One hundred twenty yards one touchdown, good eighteen for twenty seven,
one pick, they're.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Gonna make this a Disney movie.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
What would you call it? The old Gray mayor what
do you to? I don't know, I got nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I don't know what I want last year, but they
had an opportunity to win. Yeah, and it went as
best as it could have possibly went for that situation.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Also, like old or whatever, he was off the street
a week ago.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
No, this is impressive as hell. This is this is
gonna raise the Achilles tear rate for all thirty eight
to fifty people because of him coming out off the street. No,
people are going to tear their achilles left and right
(11:35):
because Philip Rivers came in with a beer belly and
competed against NFL athletes and made it through a game.
Because now every joker thinks that they could just come
off the street and go play in their local basketball
game or their flag football game.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
You were with Tom in the studio yesterday at Fox, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Did he was he getting a little you know? Was
he looking at this with a little steely eye.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
That just confirmed to me that if Tom could still
win a Super Bowl for the Raiders. No, not for
the Raiders, not with that offensive line. If you protect Tom.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
On the Colts.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Nah, I don't know about the Colts either. He'd have
to go to like the Chiefs. No, not the Chiefs.
The line he'd have to go to like Philadelphia, but
they don't have no line neither. He'd have to go
to solid out a line. Look, this was awesome to see.
I mean he didn't throw a ball over fifteen eighteen yards. Yeah,
(12:42):
but he got them in the right place. He executed
the screen game very well. I mean, this was it
was fun to watch. It was much must watch TV.
I was watching. I was glued to it. I was like,
what's he gonna do? He was like farting that thing
out there. He'd shoot that day. Guys would he would
throw the out route you see that one, and a
(13:04):
guy would try to break it up and he was
too early, and then the ball would come.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
It's like a change up.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It was a full change up. It was it was.
It was fucking awesome to see that. But I do
want to see the Achilles rate for men thirty eight
to fifty after this, Hey.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Peyton Manny want to suit both in can be done?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Mahomes Chief Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It's got to be said. The Chiefs were out of
the playoffs before Mahomes towards.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Aco regardless, That's just that was terrible. Yeah, but you know,
I mean, all good things come to an end.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, hell me back will they in some capacity?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, They're gonna be back, like in a couple of years. Yeah,
but they got they got a lot of holes. Yeah,
they gotta they.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Gotta make some roster moves, some hard roster moves. They
got hit on the draft.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Gotta hit on the draft. They gotta find some gems,
which you know.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, and then Michaeh Parsons also.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Is it confirmed that changed the dynamic of that whole
that whole conference. They know, that makes me more scared
of the Niners. Okay, you know because once once they
get in Shanahan, all the experience they have in the playoffs,
(14:33):
Shan's had a beat up defense the whole year, and
that like, these beat up defensive guys are starting to
come together. They're starting to become I mean, they gave
up a boatload of yards in the rush game to Titans,
but they play complimentary football. They they become more scary
because Michael Parsons towards a cl and Watson's out, I
(14:55):
think I feel DeVante Adams in the hamstring. That could
be huge for this week's Thursday night matchup against the
Seattle Seahawks. That that's a huge game. Who had like
two hundred yards one hundred and eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, hookah, he's he's just.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
He's just brute, brute strong, and he's got a little
basketball to him. He can go up and get balls.
He does a lot of dirty work, a lot of
run after catch, run through contact.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Is he the best receiver in the NFL right now?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Nah? No, I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't go
that far. He's damn good yea, because because of the
play caller in the quarterback he has, he's a great
fit for that offense. But when it comes to sheer, like,
I don't know, he's he's balling. Yeah, he's in the conversation.
But I mean JSN is pretty elite at his route running.
(15:57):
If you put Jefferson on Jamar Chase situation, like I
think Jamar Chase can do everything, Like he could do everything,
but I mean as far as like route running, yards
after catch, fifty to fifty balls. The one thing that
puka his route running versus man coverage. He gets open
(16:21):
because he's just so damn big and physical with guys. Yeah,
he's you know what I mean, that was scary when
he went down too with the foot for a second,
that was that would have been real bad. But look
those Lions, they've they've developed this thirteen package that everyone's
been talking about on every fucking broadcast, which is one
(16:42):
running back, three tight ends, and you know, that whole
thing that can help them going from here on out
because they're not so reliant on the receivers when they
can play matchup game and when you're in those types
of personnel groups, you get very vanilla cover bridge and
so that's why you see those a lot. So then
(17:03):
if you have guys that are smart enough, you could
spread them out. You can manipulate coverage with those packages.
So there's still this This week is gonna be a
huge game because Sam Darnold, he hadn't been playing his
best in these last few weeks. We're starting to get
I see ghost Sammy, which happened this time last year
(17:26):
with Minnesota. But that defense, that defense is really good.
How about these Jacksonville Jaguars, No one wants to talk
about them. Trevor Lawrence going out throwing five touchdowns, rushing
for one, rushing for fifty yards, and their defense is good.
What's their remainers? I mean, they are these these dudes.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
They've got at Broncos, tough game, tough game.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Then they got at Colts, Colts, and then they got
Titans at home.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
That's tough Titans. I mean, they just gotta beat the no.
I mean really it's the Broncos. Okay, let's wait, wait, wait, Broncos.
You gotta give we gotta give a little flower to
bo Nicks. That was a big game for bow Knicks
and they needed that offensive performance against a good football team.
(18:19):
Bo Nix throws for four touchdowns, threadn needle not just
catching runs, hitting steam routes, hitting deep backside corner all all.
You like that. He had some seeds. He gets so
happy in that pocket with his feet. But you know,
you you watch him sometimes, I guess that's the way
(18:39):
he plays because he seems like he's in control, but
is he in control? But is he out of control?
But he doesn't turn the ball over. I like him
with Sean Payton, that's what you like. And defense, the
defense is really good too, I mean Nick, but it
was really impressive. Like the Packers played him tough that
first half, didn't have a sack. Broncos didn't have a
(19:02):
sack for the first half, which I think was like
the first time in like a million years that they
haven't done that. And but that that that that Broncos
pass rush is like water. There's a crack in there.
It's gonna find its way through. And that's what happened
(19:23):
at the end of that thing. You see Benito and Cooper,
they when they get tucked up and like in their
little jet four point stance, and then they fucking just
come off and they collapsed the There was one time
where they just both blew the tackles right into the
(19:43):
lap of Jordan Love and like, I think the tackle
got the sack, but sack, but I think Alan scooped
off and got it because they got big interior guys.
The roach guys really good too. Is there a roach
over that team? I was watching some roach guy was
fucking balling at dtackle, like they look good. This is gonna.
(20:07):
Is this the year of the defense, Malcolm Roach? Is
this the year of the defense?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Could be?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I mean, who's gonna or is Matts?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Whereas every year is the year of the defense.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Is it not like this because once you get in
the playoffs, you have Josh Allen who doesn't have a defense,
and then there's gonna be all teams with great defenses.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
And he hasn't won a championship.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Shit, they might just break the laws of football.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Let's wrap this thing up real quick. We were gonna
talk a little bit about the MVP race.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
It's either it's either Stafford or Allen right now, Drake
may it was great, but like, we need one more year.
We gotta get the floaties off.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Can I throw You might.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Like poop poo this, but can I throw Justin Herbert
in the mix? Just because what the Chargers are doing
and how they're doing it. They have no offensive line.
He's like willing them to win games. They're five in
the AFC West.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Look, I mean it doesn't look great.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
He's not put up the stats, but they're winning games.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
No it stad he is putting up. He's getting sacked
five times a game the last four weeks. Yeah, I
was so impressed when he when I saw him six
six nights out of surgery, put his hand under center
and take a snap that he.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Was doing stiff arm.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, you know, and I went on Fox Kickoff, and
I always talk about how I like big men at
the quarterback. I always talk about Herbert, But big men
can get hurt too. Big men can get hurt in
this league too. And I don't know what Madison Beer
is doing over there to take care of him for recovery,
(21:49):
but that that is impressive to go out there and
be able to play with a broken hand, stiff arm jokers,
put your hand under, take a snap on broke in
hand and somehow win NFL games because they are I
don't know if it's a product of them winning those games.
(22:09):
They're playing teams that have been losing. Really the defense
mentor's got the defense going physical.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, to go into Arrowhead and beat the beat the Chiefs,
and that's a gotta have.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
That's the playoff game for the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
That's a playoff game for both because look, the Chargers
need it. You look at the back end of their schedule.
They got a fucking gauntlet. Look at the Chiefs or Charger.
I talked about it on our show. They got they
got both bad the best defensive lines. You got Broncos Houston.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
We got at Cowboys, they got Texans at home. And
then at Broncos.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, but now that that Cowboys game just got a
whole lot easier. I was really disappointed with the Cowboys
went on on a limb. You know, I've been talking
about them, and I'm like, not even a Cowboys guy.
I honestly don't like the Cowboys at all. But I've
gained a respect for Dak and this Cowboys and what
Jerry's kind of done, Like when everyone's zigg and he
(23:02):
zags on this thing. Now they're gonna have options next year,
and I think they can build off this. I like Brian,
I like Shoddy the head coach. He's been doing good things,
but you gotta win these games. He had two games
they got, you know, they beat Philly, Kansas City, they
get in that three game heater, then they trick it
off to the Lions, trick it off to these Minnesota Vikings.
(23:31):
That was come on, Cowboys, man, making me look dumb,
making me look dumb.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I think that's the perspective of most Cowboys fans too.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Made me look dumb. Man. I just want Jerry. I
was on Jerry's side. All right, let's wrap this up. Well,
let's wrap it up. It's cream season. This is Cream
season right now. This is officially Cream season week sixteen,
now fifteen in the books. Hit the comments if you
(24:03):
want us to keep on doing these weekly recaps, send
us some comments the night before or whatever on what
we should.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Recap, or questions that we can answer.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Or questions we can answer. A new Games with Names tomorrow.
We got w W E Legend Seth Rawlins. Seth knows ball.
He's been on I seen him on NFL Kickoff or
what's he been on NFL Network. He's been on there
for like two weeks and he knows ball.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, he's a big ubarssan. We get into it. It's great.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
He loves embarrassing Cody Roads.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
It's a matchup with Cody rhod'z going.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, very good ones, good episode, and then new Dudes
on Dudes dropping this Thursday, maybe Friday, maybe Friday.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Scheduling with Rob scheduling Rob.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
He's been everywhere, He's been everywhere. The Grunk Bowl.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
It was fun.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It was fun.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, we got way better seats than last year, did you. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
We were like one box over in the end zone
and like you can't like that. See, everyone was in
the way. There was like wide open so you could
just you were on the field, you could see it
was cool.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Washington kicks the ship out of Bois date was that Jedfish.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Oh, I should have I had a soccer tournament so
I couldn't make it, which honestly, I probably should have
just went because our girls didn't have any effort. Got
their fucking teeth kicked in, got their teeth kicked in.
I don't know what we were doing. We were we
were out there picking daisies because we weren't playing. We
(25:29):
were not picking, we weren't playing soccer, and we were
on a turf field. So that's how that tells you
how the daisy pick and went all right?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Like you subscribed, Like we'll do some youth girls soccer
recap next week.
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