Lorenzo Neal and The Lo Man Wins Game | Vikings vs. Buccaneers (Week 9, 1998) - Games with Names

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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making make a decision. He tried to hold me off
with them long chop. I'm coming to get you, baby.
Welcome to games with names. They're Jack and Kyler.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
I'm Julian Edelman, and we're on a search for the
greatest game of all time. On today's episode, we are
covering Vikings versus Buccaneers, Week nine, nineteen ninety eight, with
legendary fullback, four time Pro bowler and a man that
could clear a hole in any crowd, Lorenzo Neil. And

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we're talking nineties smash mouth football.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I think we're grown men playing the kids kids game,
getting the Kings.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Rensom the legend of Mike Alstott.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Hey, Diddle, Diddle, Mike Alstot down the middle forty coming
at you so and.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
What he thinks of harball and the Chargers.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
He wants to be physical, he wants to beat you.
Look at Justin Herbert didn't throw the ball, He just
didn't have the weapons.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
And then we get into training camp and what it's
really like for an NFL football player. In this week's
Chill Zone presented by Corp's Light.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Gotta stick around to the end.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Games with Names of production of iHeartRadio.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
November first, nineteen ninety eight, Raymond James Stadium, Tampa, Florida.
The seven and Oerd Minnesota Vikings look to continue their
pillage of the Sunshine State, but a gang of salty
Buccaneers had other plans.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
This is the lone man Wind's game.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Welcome to Games with Names, Brenzanill, Welcome to the nuthouse.
In one sentence, why did you pick this game? Week nine,
nineteen ninety eight, Vikings versus the Buccaneers.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
You know what? This is a game I like because
everyone knows if you saw the back of two one,
it was too late Ladani and Thomas, and everyone knows
the charge of years and lt made me. And you know,
I just think that here's a place in Tampa Bay
that you know doungeee. You have this mystique where you
have Mike Alstot, who's huge personal friend of mine. Both

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of us were in each other's wedding and great friend,
and you had work done. So I think I was
like the forgotten guy. People don't understand that when we
played in Tampa. We had two different backfields. One was
called Rhino Rhyano was me and Mike Alstar and Pony
was when it was me and Wark done. So it
was like Mike had over nine hundred yards Russian, Wark

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had a thousand or Russian. So it was just interesting
because we could switch the back and do a bunch
of different deals. So this game against Minnesota was just
one of those games we just lined up and said,
we're gonna take your will and take your heart. We're
running downhill. Hey, diddle doodle, Mike, all start down the middle,
forty coming at you. So we just lined up and

(03:18):
said let's go. So that's why I like that game.
They were undefeated, and uh, it was a humbling experience
for you.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Know this watching this game, yeah, and going through it.
This was what the football I grew up on was
exactly right. Just twelve eleven, twelve thirteen personnel goal line.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
You know we're running it, we know we're running it.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Mono imano, who's win the matchup, Who's gonna quit? And
this was the epitome of it, especially this game. I
mean watching like we'll get into the game, but this
was just fun. I loved Wark done. I loved I
loved you as a kid because you were bopping around
and everyone saw you.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Because LT and all the moves.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
But this, this was like the era right before they
got really good the Buccaneers. They had the defense, were
trying to get the offense. This is before the Gruden trade.
Like this was just like a huge parallel to my
watching of football as a kid. This was my era,
nineteen ninety eight. Is this the greatest game of all time?

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Though?

Speaker 3 (04:21):
No, no, I'm not gonna be asking, don't you know what?

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Don't because you're a Patriot, don't I go way back,
believe it or not. Belichick was my DC when I
was with the Jets, So I've been doing Belichick forever.
I even go back for now. We're talking about the great,
the goat, without a doubt, he's the goat Tom Brady
when you talk about quarterbacks. It's crazy because I knew
Tom before he was Tom. I knew Tom when he
was just his little kid. Because Marine Brady, Mo went

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to Fresno State with me. So I was at Fresno State.
She's a pitcher, you know, so Tom would come down
to Fresno. Tom's little dude, Mo was dating my cousin,
Charlie Jones. So it's crazy just how that, you know,
the how things just come back full circle. And it
was an interesting moment. And you ask Tommy this if
he tells you if this happened. I'm in Cincinnati and

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we're playing the Patriots, and he was like he was
sitting because Drew was playing, Blets was playing, you know,
he comes over talking. I was like, man, he's like,
it's you know, it's frustrated, of course, And I said, Ben,
don't get ready, stay ready. I said, you never know
when this game changed. You just you of course, you know,
saying this is what's having a conversation. And I think
it was like a week or two later the Jets

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the Jets, he gets hurt and Tommy goes so it's like,
I think I had something to do with that, So
tell so tell Tommy I had something to do with that.
I'm spoke it. I spoken into his listen. Tell him, Tommy,
let him know that low Neil talked to you everything,
you know, early game.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
One, game one of that season.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Again, Yeah, there we go, there we go.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
What's your best Belichick story when he was DC and
the Jets.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Just human Parcels had this unique relationship. I remember just
the way that they would walk around and we had
Peppers and some crazy guys. I played.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Pe was my coach.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh you know, Pat me getting on me, getting the
most that we're in the moment, Maurice Carton.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
These dudes are crazy.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
They are they will and man few I'm like, I'm like, damn.
I was coming from the Saints. I was like, this
place is crazy. How just they were.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Adrian Real had a thousand yards That's one of the
years they had it block Forth, but it was just Parcels.
He was so funny. Him and Belichick, just the way
that they pushed those buttons. I remember guys were fighting.
He goes, you guys, stop fighting. One are you scared?
The other? One's glad of it. I mean it's like
watching two pillows. Just the things that we say the
one lion exactly. So Belichick was always good and it's

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always good to me. I even called him a couple
of times, and you know, hey, I want to come
to New England. Man, I didn't win the Super Bowl.
Tired of losing to you guys. You just laugh. But
and he's pro Bowl of course as coach and just
to say it's interesting times. It was a great career,
but uh love belly.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah what about ourselves? You ever get an ass chewing
from him? Oh yeah, oh yeah, Barsels. He just when
you if you knew you played a bad game, you
just like kind of walk you know how it is?

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Check the same. He's like, golly, I know every play everyone.
You know, the media coming to hey, great game, great block,
all this stuff. But in your mind and you that
night you're going out, you think, dank you God, I
know the media. You come in, you drive and everyone you.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Have a good game, and you know you block, you
didn't block a guy, you fell down, ran the wrong route,
you came out of your breakthrough, and you just you know,
it goes here and these coaches like, oh you thought
you played well, what's this?

Speaker 1 (07:35):
What's this? And just keep rewinding and you're like, okay,
why why are you doing this? Okay, coach, I get it?
Or are you going to continue? And sometimes you want
to say something. It's like, isn't it crazy that you
can strangle every one of your coaches like I Sometimes
you can and you could whoop them. It's not like
you can't kick their ass. But when they get on
you like that, you just feel like a little kid.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
It's like, wow, it's the accountability. Yes, and it made
you better. It made you better. I mean you didn't
want to go in and be embarrassed by the boys
or in front of the boys, you know what I mean,
there's nothing. It's kind of like when your dad he
did something wrong. He didn't say he was mad when
he but he was disappointed. And just give you the
look and that disappointment sound or that humiliation in front

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of everyone. That sticks with you, and that makes you
think about it when you're going in and you have
to do that goddamn play and you install that play
again and you're like.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
I'm not fucking that thing up again.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
So I fully fully agree.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Now when you watch the game nowadays, what's going through
your mind compared to how you you played?

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Almost when'd you retire.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Two thousand and nine?

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, so you still you played through still brutal era
Because I would say in my career, I went in
twenty nine to twenty like at like twelve, it started changing, right,
and that's when like you started getting those more flat
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Right, the game has changed, But I think it's changed
because culture and everything is changed. You think about it,
a guy coming across the middle, John Lynch, those guys,
they touch you up. Don't come in here again. Guys
with you know, I played the game. I led with
my head if I couldn't play this game right now

(09:20):
because I live with it. But you understand, they trying
to do it for the best, to keep you healthy.
But it's like you look at just look at the
world we live in. High school players now are getting paid,
college players are getting paid more than NFL players, and
it's like, so you're weaken And the thing about it is,
it's tough. It's just tough because yes, I understand what

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you're trying to do and what you're trying to do,
but you're also weakening a game. You're weakening men. You're
giving people a way out. I think you're changing not
just sports, but you're changing the dynamics of who we
are and what we meant to be in accountability Now,
if you're whole on accountability, Hey, guys want to be traded.

(10:03):
Look at the demand to be traded. I want out
and teams have to, you know, go with the float.
So it's like, because you tried to help. Now you
have given too much away. And yes, do I think
you shouldn't be able to use the helmet. No, you
should be able to use the helmet. Now. I think
we're grown men playing the kids kids game, getting the

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Kings ransom, and you understand what you're sign up for.
Just I think the league needed to do a better
job of taking care of the guys afterwards, or taking
care of them doing if they're going to sacrifice and
do those things, you know you know that, So just
do the right thing and let guys play football. Now,
I don't like that. I think it's great that you

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can't chop guys from the back of the legs.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Now.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Offensive linemen used to hit guys. No, I think those
things are great if you're trying to take a guy
the out. No, they'll cut guys certain things. I like that.
But every now and then a good crack bag come on.
You know you love that crack bag guy, and it's
just like, hey, hello, right when you turned oh you
got I think those things are part of the game.
Certain things, to me are part of the game that

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you shouldn't change.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, it's tough, it is, it's tough, and you look
at these contracts, right, you got to keep him on
the field, right, you do you know you got to
keep him on the field. Why was the nineties the
best football then?

Speaker 1 (11:24):
I think nineties people were vibing to try to I'll
do the eighties because you knew the eighties is just
hard and the game was starting to change in nineties
certain things, more people wearing knee braces. So nineties was
just still the big safety. The guys that would still
want to hit you. You know, Ronnie Lott was leaving,

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and here comes Darius and here comes the John Lynch.
You know, Doc be Doc, And it was like, okay,
they looked up to those guys, and so you went
through those transitions and then it's now it's like, okay,
Troy's gone Polomo. So it's it's like what safety just
brings fear like it used to be. You have a

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couple Now. I even going to say, the guys still
don't hit. They're still they're still going after but the
game is different.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
It's very different.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
But I think my personal opinion is when you like safeties, now,
you have to cover tight ends, right, You got to
be able to play in space. You gotta you know
what I mean, just because these these tight ends now
are receivers a B. Safeties get money taken out of
their pocket with big hits now, right, And ain't nobody

(12:34):
get paid for how many knockout hits?

Speaker 1 (12:36):
You get?

Speaker 2 (12:36):
What do they get paid for? Interceptions? And these little
kids have been farming that since these little seven on
sevens that you get paid if you touch the ball
TfL or I mean a pbu's and picks, so they
don't even go for the hit no more because you
want to get the money, right, Like that's kind of
like where I that's kind of how because these guys
are huge, fast, strong. It's a little smaller because they're

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faster as far as like linebackers. There's two hundred and
thirty five pounds linebackers now when when I first got
in the league, ray Lewis was two sixty, right.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
I mean, but he could move, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
But like it's the game has just changed, it has,
you know what I mean? And people want those stats
because stats turn into dough.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
And when you look at the tight end position, now
tightands most of the titands you want them. They're too
they're too fast for linebackers and too strong for safety
because you you changed the game. You had safeties that
used to be able to cover, but now these safeties
guys are too strong. This pound them, beat them up,
so you got to double them. So there's certain things
elements of the game that you have to compensate for

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because you have went with you know, more of the hybrids,
because it's more sidelined to sideline because teams aren't patient
enough to say, I'm a lineup and I'm gonna go
right at you. And that's why when you look at
November and December, teams that usually win usually can run
the ball, even the Patriots when you got's.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Always when that was we did and we had James
dev he said hello, he loves.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Tell j what up. And that's what made you guys
everyone throw. All the Patriots got break. No, they knew
that if you did, if you put eight nine in box,
guess what you were going to hurt people. Walker was
going to hurt people when y'all had mosque on hurt.
So it's like, dare you so you so and that?
But when you run the ball. Corey Dill, another guy
blocked for in Cincinnati, tough get downhill can run physical love.

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So you guys, everyone talks, No, this was not a
finesse team. It was still physical and that when you
can be two dimensional, you're hard out. It's tough out.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
And I mean you look at the last five six
Super Bowl winners. I mean Philadelphia Eagles, they ran the
shit out of the ball. They tried throwing it the
first four weeks. It wasn't until the bye week that
they said, hey, let's run the ball. We have the
best running back in the league, we got the best
line in the league, and then we'll set up our
pass game through play action.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
You look at you know, the Rams when they won.
They had Girle he was a stud and they had
off the run game. You know, everyone, we all fascinate
to make this such a spread them and shred them game.
But still fundamentally speaking, like the teams that run the ball,
like you said late in the year, are the teams
that go on to win.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
The Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
That was because you can control the game, control the game.
Not the Niners were doing that.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
You know, a couple of years ago, when they had
everything in place, they were still one of those teams
hell against against the team that you were gonna watch
New the Vikings rather remember they ran. They threw the
ball eight times NFC Championship. I mean, you only do
the ball eight times, Jimmy g you know, eight passes.
The rest was just run. When you can run the
ball and just make teams quit because it checks your heart,

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you just got to be like man, as a guy's
four yards three yards and boom, first down, it just
kills the momenttal yes, the moralize the defense.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
And even when you're the guy and the like, when
you're on offense and a team is running the ball
on you, it takes you out of your rhythm. It's
like when you're sitting there on the sideline, you're going
over your plays for the next goddamn dry we got
the third down.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
You get ready to offense first yet.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
They just got three yards six oh shore, we're up
six yards?

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Right? How the fuck can we get out there? That part?

Speaker 3 (16:13):
And that's what and that's you know it is.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
I mean, when you when you have a big explosion
play touchdown, it's so damn quick. Sometimes you're like, man,
we were just on offense, we got our fuel, let's
go right. But it's funny. It's the game has definitely changed.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
You know me, But when did you know you belonged there?
I remember playing and I'll tell you mine, and tell
me what was. I know it's caught you off guard there,
but I remember when I was playing with the Saints
and we were playing in Mankato, the Saints, the freaking
it was. It was we called the Cheese Belt League,
Chicago Bears. Everyone was out there and in Minnesota. So

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we're playing against the Chiefs little round robin and Ronnie
Lott was on the chief.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
That's fucking awesome.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
You guys had round robin practices in training camp, which
is like the greatest rep unreal reps, because you get
so sick and tired when you're going against your own
guys for so long and they know your fucking tricks,
you know their fucking tricks. You get to use your
tricks on new guys two times.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
Can you explain that what that means to the audience?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Round robin.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
They used to have joint practices. We have joint practices now,
but it's usually with two teams, just one and two.
They used to have three teams and so they would
circulate and situation all the practices out right, So you're
getting different reps against different teams. It's like a Schmorgesborg
of fucking football.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Right, Like Chicago Bears was is there, so we all
so we would fly to training camp. We practice at
the University of Lacrosse, and so we'd bust. The Rams
were there that you know, freaking Chicago, the Bears were there, Philadelpha,
I mean Minnesota Viking. So it was like four or
five teams in an area. So one day you're here,

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they would come to your PA. So it's just like
you got to practice against other teams and it just
made practice that's much better.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
They never had that in my time.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
I know, I know it was. It was really cool,
like something like Pop Worner Jimber Yeah, right right, and
it was it was awesome.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
And we went against Kansas City and we kept running
Boss back on Strong Safety, Boss Fosse, Boss and me
and Lot was just going at it. I was like, damn,
we gotta kept going, and and Ronnie kept looking. I
was kept yeah, old Ronnie still later Wood and after
practice he didn't say nothing. I saw him look at
me and he say nothing. So I walked off, and
you know, and and my coach, Jim Skipper, my running

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back coach, who's talking Ronnie And then he said, hey, Neil,
come here, let me tell you somethok. Come here, rook
and uh he said four two gave you the ultimately said,
the man gave you the ultimate confidence. What do you mean?
He went over to my Skipper running back coach and
said that little twenty two, whoever that guy is, you
got something there. And that was it. And then he
told me that and I was like, you couldn't tell me?

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And I call Mom and daddy, you know, running set
up coming Benny.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
But uh yeah, that was that was That was kind
of the moment that I knew it of belong my moment.
You know, I would say my first preseason game, you
know in in New England. Now that was training camp
two days. We didn't have joint practices yet, or we
didn't have that year, right, right, But for I was

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changing positions and I was mentally just all over the place.
Good practice thinking I'm gonna get cut as a seventh rounder.
Bad or bad practice thinking I'm gonna get cut. Good practice.
I don't know what the hell is going on doing
the numbers game, because you know, you're playing the numbers game,
which with the numbers game is when you're a guy
on the fence of making the team. You're counting how

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many running backs are you think the team's gonna make.
I think maybe four or five. We're probably gonna do
six set receivers, maybe seven because they got a hybrid
special like you're playing these number games. And so in
New England, which you're you're accustomed to with the Jets
program in Parcel, you're you're never really told that a

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boy like when you do your job right, but you're
definitely told when you don't do your job.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
And so.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Going into that first game, a lot of things led up.
I was playing a bunch of special teams. A guy
West got hurt. I was going to start a receiver.
This was Tom's first game back off the ACL of
two thousand and eight, so everyone was kind of tensioned up,
you know, with with that. And I go out on
kickoff and my first play in my first NFL game,

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I make a tackle and then you know, go out
there and then they go three and out or something.
Then first punt, I'm returning punts and there was a penalty,
so they re line up and they punt again in
a house it for seventy five yards. Oh and then
I had Tom's first catch off of his ACL and

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like I had five catches, and like before that, I
didn't even think I could like play on the team
because I was just in such a crazy headspace with like,
you know, the days of practice loging, this coaching points,
learning an offense, learning a new language, because you know
what I mean. So you didn't really get to see

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it until you threw it out against someone else, you know.
And then once I did that, then I was like,
all right, man, I can fucking play. This kid, I
could play. And so that was my moment, right right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
That's freaking awesome. I love listening to people when their
moment or when it you know, appear that okay, I
belong here. And I think that's awesome, man, because I
loved watching you play. I was a fan West, have
played with the Chargers of member telling West you're gonna
be in this league, you know. He gets cut with
Tim Dewhitez there and it's just like dude had a

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house call too, and I was like, trust me, you're
gonna be okay. They try to bring him back but
of course you this history what happened with him. But
I remember play, just watching you play that Super Bowl.
I'm there at the game watching it in Atlanta where
you guys played against the Falcons. The catch you made,
and just the that you go about your business, the consistency,

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and it's crazy because you know, guys talk a bunch
of junk, and it's like and it's like, but people
they take it as we don't players don't. But this
guy's racist. When you say that white boy got some
black any that white boy can play. You know what
I'm saying, it's it's a sign of endearment. And people
don't think, yeah, you know what I'm saying. You like,

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I was proud of it.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
I said, brother, if he says you play like them,
that means he really respects you exactly.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
And you see him trying to beat you up. And
I said, white boy got hard too. I said, they
can't take it, and he's just you watched you and
Wes and just you fed off of it. It's like
and it's like you ain't letting nobody punk you. And
I was like, man, this dude got it and he's
got that it factor. And that's what I think that
those things that people don't understand about football, the competitive

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and what it does and how it brings together in
the unity and people are like, man, don't know football is.
I think it's one of the best sports. And you
think about life, military sports. That's what brought this country together. Yeah,
blacks whites, we wasn't able to get along. And then
you got sports bringing culture together, forcing people together and

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understanding differences, what they like, what they don't, who's who
and if you get this, realize, man, all some of
us have the same background. Someoneus don't have the same background,
but you can understand and accept people from who they are.
And I sports have a huge thing to do with that.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
That's true, and that's because there's one common goal.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Everyone wants to win.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Usually even if you want to just ball out, that's
you having to win your play, you know. So that's
that's why it's the ultimate example, because there's guys you
didn't like that you played, but you respected the hell
out of and that you needed.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
You needed that person. Oh yeah, because it's the ultimate
team game.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Eleven men have to do their job for six seconds
and if one guy fucks up, it could be colossal
fuck up for the whole team. If the quarterback throws interception,
it looks like it's the quarterback's fault. But they didn't
see the left tackle get beat, or they didn't see
the side adjustment that wasn't made by the receiver, or
they didn't see inside out from the fucking center. You know,
like there's all these things that are connected, and that's

(24:18):
why it's the ultimate thing to watch. And it's so crazy, Jules,
that you say that, because even a guy you might
not like, and a guy you might not go to
dinner with, when he makes a play, you're yelling, you're jumping,
you congratulating.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
And it's and that's what people don't understand. You were
you love this game. You love this game. And that's
what I think that a lot of people don't understand
and what it what it means to be a you know,
a professional athlete or to play just to play sports
in general, because it makes you uncomfortable. People to you like, man,
I just don't like it, but you're like man, for

(24:52):
that moment, for those sixty minutes or whatever it may be,
whatever sport, you can put the put your differences aside
and come together and we have one common goal in
that success.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
But that's usually only for the winning teams.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, you're right, You're right.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Because I mean the teams that can act as a
team the most usually go out and win. You know,
when you get individualized with certain things here and there
that can bring a team away from each other, you know,
and it ultimately comes from the leadership. Your best players
have to be the selfless player, the most selfless player.
At least that was the example from where I was

(25:28):
our best player, our highest paid player, was the first
guy in the guest last guy to leave. Guy had
everything in the world, three super Bowls by the time
I got there.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
You met him when he was just little Tommy.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
I met him when he.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Was tell him fucking Brady already, and to see how
he worked still when he was ten eleven years in
the league.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
It was like, man, what motivates this guy?

Speaker 2 (25:49):
And that made the fifty third guy in the team
say fuck, if he's working like that, then I have
no choice but to work like that.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
So I think it's all.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
It is all, and it is the team like because
you look at some of the most talented teams with
the best.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Players, talent wins football games, Team Unity wins championship.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
That's that's that's it.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
We gotta put that on T shirts. Okay, let's do that.
Me and you, baby, me and you exactly Me and you.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
We'll definitely do that. Hell of Attica. Nice little funt.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
A guy. You know what I mean? I like.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Talking to you. You just spit smash mouth football. That's
like such a nostalgia that we all crave. Why do
we crave that? I think we're cravy because we know
it's right, Like you know what, you know what I'm saying.
It's like, Okay, you know what, you probably shouldn't eat that,
and I'm gonna go work out because we know that's right.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
When we take away from those things that are right,
it feels good for a second, but you know it's
not necessarily right. When you're talking about winning championships and
those things, you're like, God, here we're gonna go. We
gotta go run and man, he's gonna be on me.
Belichick's come freaking we gotta do this extra man film
study is gonna be another hour. Okay, we got all
those things. You and if he said, hey, take the

(27:16):
day off, be like you might lead. But you're saying,
what's that right? Yeah, And I think that's what it is, man,
that the toughness is about. You know what's right.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
My dad always said life's hard, but it's simple. We
all know what we have to do. It's just hard
to do it.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
It is.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
You know, it's not easy for the everyday man to
get up at five am, go work for his family
for not much, come back to you know, a bunch
of bill. That's that's hard it is, you know what
I mean. But he knows what he has to do
to make his family hold that. And that's the example.
I give the example of my dad. You know what
I mean, that's what he did. So like, it's hard,

(27:54):
but it's simple. We all know what we have to do,
you know. But do you think this pendulum of the NFL.
I think it's on the sway back with you know,
having more fullbacks, having more smash met football, playing more
controlling football game through the run game, then getting explo
like it's swinging backish because maybe the defenses are small.

(28:17):
Do you think the pendulum's gonna swing back?

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I do on certain teams because if you look at
Baltimore still run get hard. They still physical, get down
car you have exactly big card. I think when you
think about a team like the LA Chargers, another hardball brother,
you think about he wants to be physical, he wants
to beat you up. He look at Justin Herbert didn't
throw the ball a lot last year at play action.
He just didn't have the weapons, didn't have a great

(28:41):
running game. Last year, running backs were injured. Now I
think this year with Hampton, who they got the running
back in the draft, bringing in other backs, I think
you'll see the Chargers, you know, kind of impose their
will because they're going to be physical. So I think
when you can be physical, but it's a mindset. I
have played fullback. I would be pissed when they said

(29:02):
we're going go Ace. Let's go Ace, and I was like, oh, okay,
what is a Ace? Too tight? Yeah, you know the
too tight Look at this guy. You're right, yeah, Ace
is two tight ends, twenty two personnel, twenty one personnels.
It's two backs, full back in the tailback, you know,
twenty two personnel person pickball personnel exactly. So I took
it personal, even though coaches main low, we it's just

(29:25):
what we're doing. We're trying to spread about get it say,
but I took it personal when I was off the field,
I said, I'm gonna come in this game. When I
come in, I'll make you a fall. I'm going to
impose my will online backers. Anybody's in my way, I'm
running this track. Either you gonna quit or I'm gonna quit.
Somebody's gonna get out the way. And so that's what
you say, you know, web drive, because it's what you

(29:47):
need to do and what has to be done. You
don't want to sometimes I should I cut this guy? Oh?
Should I?

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Should I tay? No, I know, it's what you're supposed
to do. And that's go helmet, the helmet that's faced
on mono a mono, and it hurts where you get
the steam galls within your body. You're yeah, yeah, yeah,
see four seven. I get it. I get it. That's
why I wore that big cowboy collar because man, I
always use my head and it would stop my neck

(30:13):
from going back. So it was just like, let's line up,
let's do it. So uh, I think it comes back,
comes back. But you gotta have guys that are willing
to make that sacrifice and commitment to run in there
and not just try to position block. I want to
create a new line of scrimmage. I want to create
a new spot to give the tail back a two
way cup.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
What goes into the decision of the cowboy color versus
like the neck row or like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
See the cowboy collar. I loved it because the cowboy
collar kind of had my whole head kind of. I
got a big head. It was heavy enough, so it
kind of made it all encompass the cowboy callar. The
neck ro kind of it can go a little bit
further back and it's a little spongier. The cowboy collar
is more firm, and it goes down your backs that yeah,
it's mean, yeah yeah, And it's a it's a longer pad,

(30:56):
so it's necro just tied up to your shoulder pads.
So when it moves, you should pets. But this conboy
collar you put on, actually it's almost a little shoulder
pads even so it's long a girdle. Yeah, so it
protects you more. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
The old shock pads, remember we used to wear those
absolutely warm I had. Now you don't even wear pads.
It's crazy, like right, I mean, and I'm a sucker.
To it too, because I became a receiver and I
used to wear the smallest goddamn pads so they couldn't
grab me. Get ripping, dip. You gotta get low, get skinny,
ripping baby, get skinny.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
Watching this game was incredible with you at full back
in All Star, which is the next cob Right, I
got tingling. I haven't had.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
I was just done in regular regular. That was regular pony.
You would go in with done.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
Know, big boys, did you ever have all three of
you guys out there at the same time?

Speaker 1 (31:51):
We might be when you moved the line, when you
moved wark to I had motioning out.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, that's just I mean, that's just personal twenty two
thirteen two.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
So you can get their defense out there, Yeah, get
him out of there.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
You get a linebacker out and then you got these
two coming downhill.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Right, we'll be right back after this quick break.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Now you're on Believe, Yeah, I don't believe network.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Matt money Smith got to check it out, so me
and money Smith. It's a great show. He's a voice
of the Chargers. Money Smith's been working radio and TV
for years. It's a great show. Go to Believe, to
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I work with the Niners too. I do some stuff
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(32:40):
five and also do a radio show with ninety five
seventy game.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
So you do stuff for the Niners and the Chargers,
so you're dialed with both.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Try to be down there.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Are you like with the beat writers? Like you have
contacts with all those guys. They're giving you insight info.
What are we looking like with the Chargers year, let's
start out with them? How we get a beat?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (33:00):
The true I'm excited for him, so am I. I
think the Chargers went out they drafted Mario Hampton. I'd
love him as a running back. Uh, this guy can run.
He's big boy, good feet. Even the San Diego Chargers
Fresno running back remember him, Yeah Pittman, No the bigger,
the big boy from Fresno.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, okay, are you talking about I know he's like.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
In the late two thousands, no no press, presto state.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
He had like two really good years, three really good years.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
He got drafted to the Chargers number twelve, pick he was.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
He Ryan Matthew kind of has that same body, doesn't he.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, but a big guys, big guy, big and can run,
can run. I think this guy is gonna be the truth.
And you went out and got a tight end and
haven't played a lot of twelve persons. He didn't play
on the line in twelve but he can move. Forgetting
his name, Chargers drafted him the tight end this year
and they went and got three receivers.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
You have to run lot receivers because my Williams just retired.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Mike Williams retired. But you just you just sid like
the old mcconky. I think he's gonna be a great
situational receiver for them to He's unguardable.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
He's gonna start at X and Z. But you got
gas into the tight end.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Mark Gasson is a tight end, but he's not going
to he's not going to play twelve person If they do,
they're going to detach him.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
So he but he can run. He's fast, very they're
gonna play two tight ends.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
They'll play tight when they go twelve though, they'll detach
him because he can't block.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
He's just but he could. He's a nightmare and yeah,
he can be like an h And then the two
receivers kids from Carolina, who's we got?

Speaker 5 (34:37):
They got Trey Harrison, Gray Harris just for miss Condrey
Lambert Smith that first round, second second and he just
supposed to fly.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
He can fly.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
And he signed Kunky and the tight end if they
can get them intermediate and you have someone that can
blow the top off with the good you know, run game.
You can get those explosion plays with the guy that
can throw him exactly. I think the biggest thing everyone
talks about, you know, you losing Bolsa, but I think
the bigger loss for the Chargers with Poona Ford poona

(35:07):
big Poona in the middle was tough. But now you know,
unfortunately the injuries, so he didn't seem so. But I
think the Chargers front Khalil Mack is still playing at
a high level. You went out and free agency made
some things happen, so they feel tough too. Ever, since
you know, Harball got there, which is a very it's
a very rare thing to have an offensive minded coach

(35:28):
have the label of toughness, right, you know what I mean?
But Harrorball has that. And then he brought over did
he bring on the Ravens guy? Yeah, he brought up
the Ravens McDonald. He brought over the Ravens her off
GM and they brought the Michigan d C. That was
with the Ravens. What's the Michigan Yeah, Jesse Jesse Mentor

(35:50):
is the d C, d C and any the Ravens. Uh,
he's the GM. Now for the Chargers that he's doing
a great job of bringing it. Hero that's they brought
a lot of raven guys in last year. What's the
name they're gonna have. That's a tough division. It's a
tough and the Raiders like they got better. You got

(36:10):
Pete Carroll there. You know there's gonna be something, dude,
Harpball's how about this? Harpball's the less least decorated coach
in the FC West. Pete Carroll won a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Think about all the coaches, they all won a Super
Bowl except Harball except Isn't that crazy? Think about and
think about what his look at his his decorated. He's
a decorated coach and he's the least decorated coach in
that conference. It's gonna be tough. Would you like to
play for Harball. Oh absolutely, I love Jim. I played
for I played for John in Baltimore, and well, just

(36:40):
making sure, making sure I'm an old man.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Your last couple. I believe you said it retired you
because they hit so far. Yeah. Yes, my neck hurts
right now, trust me, trust me.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah. But he was believing he was in San Diego,
USDE when I was with the Chargers, so he would
come over to the facility. So I've been knowing Harves
for a while. I'm trying to at Harps and he
said he might do it. I guess what I'm trying
to do. Bring training camp to Fresno, the valley, the valley, Harborball.
Listen to this coach. He's seriously he talked about I

(37:12):
brought the mare on. Harball was talking about that real heat. Yeah,
that heat. You want to heat it up. Let's eat
it up, baby hot down that central valley. Bro, you
put that window down.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Okay, you know about it, Baby one four, that's on
a good day, baby one on eight one.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Five dright heat thought, Harball, don't listen to this guy.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Come under and in a tough and we got the
biggest wave pool down there. Not a way the big pool,
not the way Water slide. No, it's not a way
It's yeah, it's God Drew Brees is affiliated with it.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
What's what's the name of that slater? Slater? It's we
got a big surfboard branch out there.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Bro. You're basically in the more baby in the l town.
So I'm bringing you out, Jewles, You're coming out. I'm
coming I'll come out. Surf ranch, baby, I'm bringing it.
You heard that. We got the guy. He's coming out.
Me and Jules do some surfing. Everybody goes, did you
see me.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
With Jim Harbor?

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Do you see that one?

Speaker 5 (38:09):
The meme me with him like behind the curtain watching
justin Herbert.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Oh, no, great, dude, he is a fun coach. I
almost signed with the Niners. Did you with when I
was a free agent? Me and him sat for forty
five minutes. And this is when there was like the
beef between him and the GM with the Niners, remember
that all that stuff. And so he goes like, tell
me what do you want you basically like handling the contract,

(38:35):
and I knew, like I'm sitting there like is this
a kacher? But we just sat and had a dip
and talked football. Yeah, like he's like you want to
dip and he's just a football guy. Is he loves that.
He gets a great man. He could tell he loves
his family. Comes from a great family. They just love
football football.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
His dad Jack, Yeah, Jack gives some great stories.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
This was going around the internet a lot the other day.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
That's classic. What is he doing?

Speaker 2 (39:05):
So that's kind of weird a little bit. It's like, okay, Yarbs,
So you played for eight teams. Do you think of
yourself as a Charger?

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, you know what the Saints to four years was amazing.
Got drafted there, believe it or not. I was leading
league in Russian So I went seventy three yards. First
played from scrimmage against Atlanta Falcons. Baby took a house
called babies. Nobody can't come get your boy was getting
them up and getting them down. I was running faux
fox back in the day, just letting you know, hey,
just like you know, you don't play that long and

(39:35):
now I have some superpower and uh the first week
we played against the Houston Olers. At the time, I
had like not eighty or a half eighty ninety yard
against the Houston Orders first week one with the same
with the same thing. I had like seventy yards on
like ten carries. Wow, your boy was your I was?
I was? I was?

Speaker 3 (39:54):
I was a hello yard per carry?

Speaker 5 (39:56):
You beat Houston thirty three to twenty one.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
What I'm run for? I mean me, give me, come
up my stats. I don't know what to look at
you here?

Speaker 5 (40:02):
I got you. You had thirteen carries, eighty nine yard
rushing with a long and twenty nine also nine. Hey,
but you're putting on the turf though fumble? Did I
they didn't?

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Why you? Why you gotta putting that part?

Speaker 5 (40:14):
Bro Let me real facts here.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
I mean, you didn't lose it, though you got the news.
I recovered it. Fake news, that's fake news. I refundled it,
but I recovered it. So is it actually a fumble
if I recovered it?

Speaker 2 (40:27):
I mean, I don't know to turnover. I didn't turn
over the ball got it back. That's like the saddest
thing when you see a fullback fumble. I was.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
I was that nye. I was playing table. I know,
but I'm just saying in general, I know it is
because you know he's not gonna get it hardly again.
I get you know you're like, yeah, he's been waiting
for that time. I've been waiting.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
He'd been waiting for him. He's been waiting time I
see you get a littleis bonyx.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
He'd been waiting. I heard that he'd be waiting in there.
I could, I could appreciate that. Baby, give me somebody
he already he'd be waiting up in here.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
Some more info on Warren Moon. He also had two fumbles.
M he turned them over though we know he know
he didn't, but he had He threw a pick okay,
okay for yards, touchdown reception three secs.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Go to Nick Week two, What what'd your boy do
against Atlanta Falcons? Is so yeah, So you know, I'm
just kind of excited since we're going on memory lane,
I mean I might as well.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
You guys beat the Falcons thirty four to thirty one.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
A game thirty four you had let's just look at
my sting.

Speaker 5 (41:23):
You had eight rushing attempts eighty six yards and a
touchdown with a long of seventy four.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Two weeks in a row. Baby boys putting it down,
that's insane. Right then, this happened, broke the ankle del
toy ligament screws play Scott Case. Remember, like, yes, they
catch the guy got a ball running a sweep and
he's trying to top him on my shoulder and I
tried to rip underneath and he lake whip fell right

(41:49):
on my buttons.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
But with that rule, then you can't even do that.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
You can't do it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah, So if you were playing nowadays, you probably would
have never had that.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
You still be better. You beat a tails exactly exactly.
I probably only played like maybe five six years though,
because I ran hard. I just you know, I ran hard.
But the Saints was good, good team. It wasn't a
good team.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
We were horrible.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
We're the Aints. The next couple of years it was
just horrible. Jets was a fun fun Stantons one year
and they got traded at the Tampa Bay. It was
a lot of fun. Uh, Jets, we'll go to we're
one game from the playoffs. We played Detroit last week.
All we need to do is beat the Detroit Barry
Sanders on the team held him under forty yards the

(42:30):
last play seventy I remember that that play that play
bro we would have went to the Parcels first year, Yes,
I was with Parcels there.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yeah, and then the next year they went to like
the AFC Championship or something. They were they were getting ready. Yeah,
they were a good team then yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
And then from the Tampa we have one game from
the playoffs that happened there, and uh from Tampa where
they go Tennessee, Tennessee. We played Super Bowl yep, the longest,
that one hurt, that one and we beat them, and
we beat the Rams that year, and I remember we
went undefeated at home. We didn't lose a game in

(43:06):
Adelphield Stadium.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Ati Music City, miraclesains Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yep. I caught that pass. I pitched it back to
y check White check over to Dyson. Strike up the band, baby,
Let's make it up. That was insane. That game.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
That game is incredible too.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
That game was incredible. That's an incredible game. Incredible game,
it really was.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Uh. Shoot, blocked him for Eddie George, he was that
dude works. So let's go over some of the guys
you blocked for. You blocked for some incredible dudes. Oh yeah, Lt.
Ladani and thomasin in San Diego, work done in Tampa Bay,
Mike Allstot in Tampa Bay, Corey Dillon in Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Yes, don't forget about Eddie George.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
He was on the cover of maddend ag was tough,
and Adrian Morel and with the Jets, you had a
thousand yards.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
I'm gonna tell you no one. I mean, lt worked hard,
but Eddie George worked hard. I mean the hard work
he did. Danny worked hard too, but he's just gifted.
The guy who didn't work hard, that would be a
Hall of that I think is still a Hall of Famer.
That's unbelievable. Under everyone. Just don't Corey Dillon. You got

(44:11):
the scene I didn't see.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
I wasn't there.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
I mean, this dude ran hard. He just he didn't
work out. I'm like, Corey, let's go work out Tuesday
off day, let's go out to film. He did a
couple of times. But Dylan just.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
There's always a couple of those guys that just were
touched by God, Touch my God. And they if they
if they maybe just farted a little more, that part,
that part just what I mean, just.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Part a little bit more. Just get a little bit
out of you, coach, buddy, I was I'm feeling you.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
He's had a hell of career though. Oh my gosh,
Oh my god. I was playing with those guys, just
like in the Chargers.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I mean, if you and then from of course from
Cincinnati went to the Chargers and blocked Philadin, and he
was just that dude wanted to win. Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Let's do it. I'll say the name.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
You give me one word that comes up to your
mind about their running, stuf, playing style, whatever, style, anything
that just comes up. L t. Ladani and Thomason lightning
in a bottle or done unhittable, just just you never
seen him take a big shot. Just jitterbug, jitterbug, jitterbug. Yeah,
Mike Alstott bulling the China shot, rhino, rhino. Corey Dylon,

(45:22):
Dylan dylanator mean, angry, angry. I seen the guy knock
out a guy playing against I was on Cincinnati and
hear I was talking to your boy, Brady. He hit
your safety and he was he ran him over the safety,
come up, hit and he was out before he fell
on the ground.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Corey Dillon knocked him out before the guy hit the ground.
He hit him so hard. Running up, Corey Dylon ran angry.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Nothing to cut you off. Do you think of play
like that or that style of play against the Patriots
because then Bill brought in Corey Dillon when they won
that Super Bowl. You think they see a game like that.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Thousand that was that was?

Speaker 2 (46:00):
That was Yeah, he knew Corey had something. He knew
and he loved. He talked about Corey all the time.
And you know I was on the different the next
general next right, right, But you missed Corey by like
two years. I was, yeah, but I mean I was
in a completely like that was by that time. It
was it was a new team, ok, you know, the
only thing we had Tom, you know, and and a

(46:20):
couple of the guys fell fall. Teddy was there for
a little while and he had some key pieces. But
he used to talk about Corey Dylon.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
What did he say? He would say, ship like, look,
you're no freaking Corey because he knew Corey because Corey
went back. He knew Corey was just like yeah, he didn't.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
He would use Corey as an example to someone other
one who thought he was he thought he.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Was a prima donna. Yeah, Corey Dylan. And he said
the way you said that, that's that's Belle Checker.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
You know, Corey Dylon give me a breakout on the
program sat for twelve years and watching him this close
its fun. I know every.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Crazy right there. That was crazy. Let's get back to
Eddie George. Eddie George hard worker, dominator and that's crazy
because he was a specimen too, specimen dude. We win
ran the hills together. I went.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
He's like, he's like I would say, Derrick Henry is
kind of like in that that realm. They don't run
the same because he had higher knees, right, and but
like just the sheer fact that, like I know, Derrick
Henry works his ass off.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
I see these video you see.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Him like he pullings Derek anyway.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
He works and he's doing all like the very like
new age stuff where all his pliability, flexibility. This guy
I heard like he's he's a monster. And that's you
know what you probably thought of Eddie. Yeah, and Eddie
wasn't the talent. It is like Corey more talent, Ladanian,
way more talent, Age Morrell, jittery, nice, shakes, shits you down,

(47:57):
not run hard, but you know, make you miss.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Just put one of those guys. Ah, I'm not in
and out. But Eddie was the guy that just I'm
just gonna go here's who I am I don't have,
but I'm just gonna give you everything I got. I
mean the guy was, I mean he was tough. He
was tough, could run sad speed, but just that different
type of tough. I remember there's that one run that's

(48:20):
like iconic of him pushing a guy and breaking the
tackle and you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yeah, just you're it like no quit, no quit qui
He's gonna give everything he got. Can you break down
each of their running styles?

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I think that when you look at Corey, Dylan was explosive, big, big,
strong and could deliver a blow.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
So he was a punisher. Eddie was more that Clydesdale,
that that freaking Missouri talks fire. You just knew, here's
four yards in a cloud of dust and every now
and then he broke. He could hurt you, but he
was just Eddie's six you know, six four six fives,
big guy that's more straight ahead. Yeah, he can give

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you one cut and get north and south. He's just
gonna impose his whell wear you out. You know, Age
Morrell just shifty, He's gonna boom up and he's it's
that work done. Was shifty but still smooth.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Uh, He's so low and elusive, hard to hit the
back slip and shake you up.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
And Ladani and Thomas was just lighting the bottle. He
can beat you on an angle route. He could beat
you with speed. You never took a big shot. He
can just he'll sit you down and he's out. And
he did it efforlessly. I mean, this guy could run
a post. You could line l t up at his receiver.
He probably could have started motion them out linebacker have
good No, no no chance. He's like yeah yeah, him

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and Marshall is kind of is kind of the same
type of intality. Did you play with Sprolls Rosie little
water bug? I call him bug? I think that's a
everyone called him.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
We used to have a route, the angle route was
called the Sprolls route because he was so dominant at it.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
He would hit you the two way go you cross
your face.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
He was and then he would go because think about
you and not one of the reasons that that wes
because you had Sprolls and West.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
I mean Sprolls West was started with the Chargers. Think
about it was him, It was Dane and Michael t
Our backfield was nasty. It was Mike Turner. I don't
know how in the hell y'all that you didn't play beats,
but that that's the thing. Talent will win football games,
but a team wins championship. What's up with these? Said dude?

Speaker 2 (50:38):
I was I was just with the Tonio Gates still
to this day can't take that fourteen to two seasons.
I'm like, Tonio, I wasn't on that team, but you
just he goes.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
You just can't bloy. He just sounds the same thing
because you because you would, you just you just breathe everything.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Patriots, it's an atrear and it's like, dude, McCree, if
you're watching this, sucker, why don't.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
You just fall on the ground.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I mean, we're winning the game and all you do
is catch the ball and it's fourth the third they
throw Hell mary right, McCree intercepts it.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Oh we got twenty one on offense. It's only four minutes. Oh,
fall down, We'll give the ball to twenty one and
we'll run. He tries to run it back and gets stripped.
Troy Brown. I'm like, why, yes, you.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Know how many times that we watched that damn play
just for what not to do? It's like who for
what to do on not giving up on a play right.
Bill used to always emphasize that like going into playoffs,
you'd have a cut up of like old Patriot stuff. Look,
we're out of this game. Troy fucking Brown didn't think
so game's over. No, Troy got it? Yes, yes, Oh

(51:57):
my god, this is great. They gotta do stand up.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
No.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
I tried that once.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
How that work out? Like a fart and true? Okay,
it's actually okay.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
I was just terrified.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
I went to the comedy story, I did the roast okay,
Tom Brady, Yeah, And so I went and practiced it,
and that ship's hard. Those guys are you gotta be
And it's like you gotta be able to tell a
story and like formulate right and be able to go
bring and out weaving. You're smart, We've entertained like you

(52:27):
start dipping into other people's worlds. You know, we were
blessed and fortunate enough to go at the highest level
of what we did. So it brings a perspective and
a respect for all the people that do what they
do at the right well said, you know what I mean,
pull up how many yards of Dani see you got me.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Now you own this GAMEE pull up how many yards
of dani and Thomason had against the Patriots, but see
how many had in the first half? The first half?

Speaker 2 (52:51):
ABC shape or division round? Yeah, division round, dude, the
first half?

Speaker 1 (52:56):
And are your coaches did? But sometimes coaches player I
believe this, all things being equal, players make plays. Coaches
make decisions that help determine the ol chemic games. If
all things being equal, players are gonna make plays. If
you got if you got Edelman and you're gonna say,
i'mna play press cup, I got you, Jo got you

(53:17):
and gonna play press coverage and put you on the slot.
You as a player, you're gonna make a play. The
coaches have to determine again, play zone, Give this guy
take it away. You know it's bracket this guy. Let's
make him look somewhere else because you know you're gonna
beat that. That's a coach making decision that's gonna determine
the outcome of the game on that particular game. I
think coaches gonna make plays. Players gonna make plays, but

(53:40):
coaches make decisions that determined that game didn't have to
be close. How many yards did he having in the
first half when you if you look at LT what
he was doing in the first half, and then how
we just went away from the run game and was like,
this is not who we are and I think you
know it. Guy's pretty close. Hyeah.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
I hate bringing them up all the time, but Billy
said that shit all the time. He say players win
your games, coaches lose your games, meaning you have to
make the plays, we can fuck it up, which is true.
It's what you're saying that that case you have to
you know, no one that you what's gree on. I'm
not saying it would have happened.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
But that Super Bowl, you guys playing against Seattle, I'm
not saying it, but it's not saying y'all would have lost.
But if you give the ball to Mars, at least
lose with him, lose with lose with Tom Brady throwing
into you. If you dropped the pass, if Tom's going
to you and Druk, guess what would he be pissed
off to you? Yeah, but they said he went to

(54:39):
the guy that who's been dependable. You know what I'm saying.
That's all I'm saying. Why do you sometimes a coach
say I'm gonna all smart everyone else.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Well, they didn't out smart. The thing is they time
they had that, they had that tendency. They showed that
like same matchup a million We got beat by that
play in practice by our scout team teen times. I
remember vividly sitting on the sideline because you know, a
Super Bowl practice usually you're always doing something with the

(55:07):
other teams. But the last couple of practices we're honed
in on the defense to see how they're doing. They're
honed in on us, and we're sitting there and they
were getting creamed by that damn play. And it just
so happened that they put because they knew that if
they put that personnel group in that there was like
a spike that they would play that play.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Like you know, so if you watch make a decision, that's.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
A coach make a decision to determine the outcome of
the game. That's the whole.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Like on the sideline when you know Belichick's looking at
Carol Yea waiting and he and he didn't call a
time out and he sent that personnel group because that's
the that's the play that they thought they would probably
maybe get.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Wow, there's always chess.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Yeah, but we were getting smoked by that play and
it was and we had another corner in and then
he ended up getting benched and they brought in Malcolm
who was an undrafted free agent who was actually a
fucking stud. Like all year that year and practice and everything.
He had a long, strong arm. He was physical at
the line of scrimmage. And we had Browner who came

(56:14):
from Seattle, who was a long guy. And on that play,
the coaching point was Browner, you blow him the fuck up,
and Malcolm, you break you go get it. Because they
didn't run outside never, they never went like they never
went like a two way go I'm gonna slint or
go out to the flat. I mean, we watched it
emotion it was like you saw, but it was insane

(56:37):
that he actually executed as a rookie on getting in
the game second half of the Super Bowl, Browner doing
his job.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
You know that, that was do your job.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
That's what people don't really remember is the play right
before when Dantae how Tower took on a guard and
tackled Marshawn Inch in the hole on the one That's
what saved the game.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
True, So the plays within the play no, no question, No.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
I had to do it manually. So in the first
half of this game, which is the just to clarify,
is the two thousand and sixth Division Round game where
the Patriots beat the Chargers twenty one, twenty four to
twenty one. In the first half, Ladanian Tomlinson had seventy
nine yards and a touchdown. Second half, because that's just

(57:30):
what I was. Yeah, can I just tell me the total,
that's just he goes. So his total was he had
one hundred and twenty three rushing yards, two touchdowns six.
He also had two receptions for sixty four yards.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Yes, he did. Second half, he barely. I mean he
touched the ball maybe like six times, seven times. It
was just it was just he was he was in
that mode. He was ready to go, guys, just like
just wanting the ball, and we just just didn't do it. Well,
you guys were up, We were up. See that that
goes into the run, goes into.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
The you know, the do you go out and win
it or do you go out the four minute offense
which you're the closer in.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
That's what Shanahan did that. Shanahan did that against you guys.
He said, let's go kill him, Let's knock him out.
So he said, let's throw the ball instead of just like,
look when you happen, you try to get you out
smart yourself. And he does that a couple of times,
and that's what he you know, the only thing you're
talking about with the twenty eight to three yep, twenty
eight three, you guys says, okay, let us stick around.

(58:31):
Look what he's done in the Superh's and there's been
signs that they've done it with their niners. Instead, when
you're up, he does he wants gold for the juggler,
and I understand I do too, but you know, you
got to learn from these because he has had that
track record. He's they're teams, you know, Kyle Shanahan teams
are always really great teams from ahead by front running teams,

(58:53):
meaning like when they play the game they want to play.
When they get their run game going, you can't beat
them game. But if you if you throw a little
in that pond and you start loaning that box and
making them getting that dropping back pass game, you start
doing all those things. You know, the numbers haven't looked
good as far as that.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
I'm with you, I also need to apologize to LT.
He had an additional sixty four yards receiving in the
second quarter as well two receptions for yards eating twenty
in the first half seventy nine.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Now is that.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:31):
First mass from the other side though, Now is that
like halftime adjustments and go down in San Diego charger
locker room and there were in the Patriots or I
don't you know what. That's what someone would say on
the other side. No, no, no, I get it, I
get it. Nothing happened. We just stopped running the ball.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
LT. When you watch in the second half, he was
still able to eat, but they didn't. They just said
he wasn't the focal point. You didn't, that's all. And
the coaches got it. They just start getting scared. It's yeah, nuts,
tighten up. You know what pressure due to a pipe.
Pressure can do two things. Either makes a diamond or
bust your pipes. Come on, that's what my pops always

(01:00:11):
We'll be right back after this quick break. Who's the
current lineman or linebacker that you would love to have
a battle against in this day and age football? You
know what, I would have loved to play with a
guy like Trent Williams Williams. I love the Niners, just mean,
I would have loved running power to his side. I
knew he was going to and just hey, diddle, diddle,

(01:00:31):
let's go. I'm coming down the middle. And because I
know he was gonna wash, and I'm like, okay, it's
just me and the linebacker I love and near guy
you got, I say, Ice, get your boy mad hey,
uh uh coach. Now for you guys, Patriots braves had
braves on skates, baby, come on, so where you were

(01:00:53):
whimming or running power runner? Because he's playing outside back,
outside backer, so I'd make him make decision. He tried
to hold me off with them long chop. I'm coming
to get you, baby, So I love long arms. He's
a good backer. And but they were and Teddy was
just smart. He would never he knew he was like

(01:01:14):
he would just know how to get down and he
knew how to just fall make a pal Bruce. I mean,
you guys had some smart guys. Guys just knew the game,
played their roles, played their roles. The technique that they
play is like they knew they ain't gonna try to
be tough man. I'm gonna do what I can do.
Like two gap. Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
And I heard that somebody, we're fucking two gaps right,
get your arms out, shed blocker and go, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Yeah that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
But you know it's interesting because I was there for
I was there for twelve years.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
So like I, we'd have like a free agent d
M come in, and guys didn't realize that playing on
that defense wasn't about your stats, wasn't about this. It
was everyone had their role. And if you were a
pass rusher and you weren't setting the edge and you're
getting blown up in the run game and you only
thought you were playing on third down, they wouldn't fucking

(01:02:09):
play you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
If you're a linebacker that you know guest and did
stuff and gambled because you know how the linebackers they
could try to shoot the gap and then all of
a sudden, that's thirty out their ass, right, you know
what I mean, you weren't there, you know That's how crazy.
That's that was the unity of that team. You know,
everyone played on a string, very similar to when you
watch those Seattle like Legion of Booms.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Just for guys.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
For me that I went against those defenses, man, that
are on a string where everyone's fucking on the same communication,
everyone's doing their job. Those are the hardest defenses to
play because no one's making a mistake. We always used
to eat guys that made a mistake because Brady would
always see.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
It, you know what I mean, They tried to do
too much.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
But it's the team that And I always used to
hear our defensive coaches say, you know, it's not about yards.
You guys can have yards, this is points. Let's fucking
slow them down. Let's make them go twelve fucking plays,
and let's let's practice our red zone defense and and
try to only get give up three because can they

(01:03:15):
do that five times?

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Can they do twelve plays?

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
And like that's that was what I always saw, just
from an offensive guy watching in team meetings of what
our defense was always doing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
No no question, and that when you have a team
that make them sustain drives, it's hard to do and
they'll get in people.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
People get impatient, patient. Everyone wants to be a video
game player, absolutely, you know I mean that. And recently
Belichick goes on and talks about what was Brady's greatest
quality that he always got us in the right play,
never made the bad decision. Like, that's if you do
the right like as a young football player when I
when I was an older guy and young guys like, yo,

(01:03:54):
what do I need to do?

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
I say no, to line up, know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
What the defense is doing, and know your person like
know your personnels and all your ship. If you know
what to do, you're already beating like half the guys
now not knowing what you need to do, but knowing
what's going on, the concept of the play, why we're
doing this, we're high lowing this back or what def
If you know what to do against what you're probably

(01:04:20):
gonna do, that's gonna like half the battle. Then you
can use your athletic traits once you know those things.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Right, right, No, you're one thousand percent right, I know
one thousand I would love you. Told who I love
to play now is Fred Warner. I think Fred Warner
is a guy. I love watching him play. But if
if you hold if this guard can do his job
and block down the three technique and let it just

(01:04:46):
be me and you, I think I'd have had my
way with Freddy. He's taller, he's tall, healthy level, you're low.
Oh yeah, I remember Irlacker Ice told just give it
to him. I mean Ray, I told Ray, Ray, I
just give it to Ray. I'd give it. So those
guys are six two sixty three now. Al Wilson gave
me problems. Zach Thomas gave me problem. Fletcher London, Fletcher Little,

(01:05:10):
the little sucker was tough. But what did he give you?
Because trying to get out of it, who's getting and
that's what's hard. London gave me problem fifty six. London
gave me problems. Zach Thomas low, harder to get to
and I'm like, God, Ray tall, I could get to him.
But yeah, those little shorter guys gave me problems, gave
me problems. I love playing against taller linebackers that I

(01:05:31):
could get underneath. So the hardest to block, I believe
it or not. Jesse Tuggle way back Atlanta Falcons. He
was tough, short guy played linebacker, and Al Wilson was tough.
Because I would say, if you said the too tough
was probably Al Wilson, Old school would be Jesse Tuggle.

(01:05:53):
But Al Wilson played with Denver Broncos and Zach because
they were short and I couldn't get under because I'm
shorter guy, and it's hard to get underneath the guys
that played high. So those two gave me the most
I think gave me fits.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Now, if there's a young fullback out there trying to
get through this crazy world that they call football, because
they barely have anymore fullbacks, they barely you're right, what
is the one thing that you what's like the one
bit of advice that you give for the fullback, Like
if you're gonna be the team, because that's a that's
a badge of honor. Because if you're on the team

(01:06:31):
and you're a fullback, like you ain't have no backup.
You don't have a backup. You gotta know a lot
of shit. It's like a mentality thing. My fullback, James Devlin,
like the fullback was always like the first guy in
the locker room, fucking smelling salt, swaly squat and like
drinking cement for fucking breakfast, Like that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
But that was his job.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
He had to show that, like I'm part of the
toughness team, and I am the toughness team. What's your
advice for the fullback? The young fullback trying to come
in and make his his way on a team.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
I think the biggest thing is walk lightly but carry
a heavy bat. I didn't need to be anyone's friends.
I said, we just worked together. I'm not your friend.
We just work together. We got you know, you can
buy yourself some friends. You have to be mean, you
have to be physical. It's fullback to My advice is like,
it's yeah, it's some technique to it, but it's like, guys,

(01:07:32):
do not want to hit and head on when you
see me coming and you see me, you have to
make a decision. My advice to fullbacks if you want
to make this game come back and fullbacks become an
integral part of this game again. You have to be fearless.
You have to run in there whether it hurts or not,
and say I'm going to win this battle. I'm talking

(01:07:55):
about cutting the leg when you block, block up and through.
If you're going head to when you hit, you dip,
you lift, and you create a new line. When you
stellmate as a fullback, and you stell mat and the
linebackers stepped you in a hole, you make the tailback.
Now stop his feet. You have to say I'm gonna
hit you, I'm gonna stay lord, and I'm gonna push
you out of the way. If you can push and

(01:08:17):
get create a new line of scrimmage. Now you give
the tailback a two way cut. That's what I knew
when I played full back. I could see the safety
coming down, and I knew if the safety came down
he was playing force, trying to knock the linebacker and
make it spill inside. I said, if you know that,
if I could get to his inside shoulder, throw my
head across. Now you have ladanium safety and linebackers playing

(01:08:40):
air because you created that space. So it's about knowing
your job, attention and details, and play the game physical.
That's what right, You know what.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
I couldn't agree one thousand percent more. I'm not a fullback,
but I just always hung around fullbacks. And I remember
when you know James ended up fucking like having a
neck problem, because that's what you have if you're and
I would explain to the new fullback, Okay, that's this
is gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
This is what you have.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
This has to happen for you to be a proper fullback.
You have to have neck problems. You have to go
in and literally look like you're you don't care about
your body. You don't like that, and that's what because
you know, then we'd have some other new fullbacks come
in they try to go with the chess fird, you
know what I mean. I'm like, dude, you got to

(01:09:32):
have at least three concussions before camp is out for
you to be a right fullback.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
And I'm sorry for the whole concussion talk, but whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
I'm with you. I did neck bridges all the time.
I would do neck. I had an harness where I
put them in the chain and the neck neck do that.
I did neck all the time. I'd go back an
off season, I wrestled at President State. I was number three,
ranked number three in the country wrestling. I mean to
me and Steven Neil. We always tell my boy me, hey,
I love Steve. He is a sort of his his

(01:10:01):
son wrestles. I see him all the time in Baker's fieldfield.
He's a good guy with the state tournament. Meet him,
talk and he's like meet him. Never tussled. We never
tough because he was you know, he was a bad boy.
Oh he'd be brock Lesterner in the World championship. Steven
was tough. Steven was so I played with Steven was tough.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
I played with Steve my first like two years and
and they had to like strap his shoulders on. He
had such bad shoulders. And he would still go out
and dominate, dominate, like because he was just so athletic
and leverage wrestling wrestling.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
No one could take Steven. Yeah, Steven he was.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
That's a very under sould story. How crazy of a
story that is? He didn't play college football.

Speaker 5 (01:10:46):
No, what makes wrestlers just like a completely different breed
of human being without a doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
You can't quit. I can blame the quarterback. I can
be an alignment. I can blame receivers. When you wrestle
with just you and another individual out there, it's one
on one, you shake him and you get to feel
what a man is, and it's like, are you gonna
let him dominate you? I've never in my life been pinned.
I never my senior year, I was forty two and
oh thirty pins I just wrestling. Was like, all right,

(01:11:14):
I would go to college and I didn't want to
wrestle in college. My dad said, you're still going to wrestle.
Jim Sweeney let me play football at Fresleent State, and
I wrestled. I was ranked number three in the country.
I played seven. I was an All American. But it
was just the burn. You could quit. You're in there
on a double leg, got a single leg in there,
and the guy comes across with a cross face, and

(01:11:35):
you could cut kawerd and letting and give up the two,
or you just set that cross face and you suck
that thing in and you turn the corner and you
take him down. You get on top and you start hammering.
You come in for that double leg and you pick
him up and just slam him. I mean wrestling at
one on one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
I loved it as I hated it, but I loved
it because I was I hated losing more than like winning.
I hate when the guys, one of the whole football
team come into that gym and everyone come watch the
heavyweight and it's like lo neel and it's like I
played football, so you know, running about President State, I
was the guy and now you got to go out
and wrestle and all this recruits.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Jim, bring the recruits in and watch me wrestle. You
know the pressure. It's like I can't go out in
front of my boys, non run boys. So wrestling, that
one on one That's what makes it different. That's what
makes it unique because if you people will get to
see if you had that q U I T and wrestling.
So I think that's what makes it different. And that's
what made me play as long as I did in

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football because it's like, dude, you can't beat me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Yeah, and great flexibility and shit, yeah helps hips.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Yeah, a lot of stuff. You'd been a good wrestler,
you got that at the mentality they.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Always asked me, But it was always during basketball season.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Okay, okay, I would hoop a little, okay, but I
love yeah, I never rest. My brother wrestled, okay, but
he didn't hoop. Mount Rushmore of fullbacks, oh man, I.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
You know what, Me and Mike in Moose we talk
about it. We know there should be a guy in
the in the Hall of Fame. I look at guys
like Larry Sentners, one of the best receiving fullbacks that
ever played the game, Sam Gash, I love Sam played
in New England to Sam Tough get downhill. Max Strum

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played with Seattle. You're talking about guys that I talk
about that. I just loved the way they played. Of course,
Moose Johnson. Moose what he did for Emmett, That's what
Emmett loved him. Moose Johnson's tough. Mike All started to
think it was the best running fullback that this league
have seen because he could play tell back, he could
play fullback. So I think that all of us had

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our unique kind of kind of you know, own talent
that made us unique and dominant in our own profession.
So like Larry Senters, you said, who's the best receiving
fullback that probably ever played the game? Probably Larry Centers,
you know, And oh, yeah, Tom tom you gotta put
Tom in that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
I love Tommy forty four Yeah, Tom Tommy. Yeah. And
John Riggins, but I don't know if he's really full
back and tell back Frankle Harris so, but Tommy Rathman,
I love Tommy. Tommy could at the backfield, backfield and
he post split backs himing on Roger Craig love Tommy,
Tommy Rathman. I love Tommy Rabbit. He's he's he's definitely

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in there. Yeah, definitely in there. Tony Richardson team, Oh
thank you, t rich Kansas City Chiefs. T rich Man.
I love Tony Richards. I mean, it's some guys. Max.
I don't know if you remember this guy who played
and I don't think he gets to respect his Corey
slushinger See name you nobody talks about. He has the
hardest head. I'm playing kickoff return, he's playing kickoff team.

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Corey points at me on kickoff. He's running down the field.
He points at me coming down. I'm like, oh god,
you know what I mean what that kickoff? Yeah, it's
old sprint. You gotta wait for him. You gotta wait.
And he when he points me out, I'm like, you know,
I'm like, and you can't cut, you can't cut. I'm like, okay,
let's go. And we just hit boom and boom. We

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both were dizzy and it was like and he looked,
all right, now, look let's go. My neck was hurting,
but he that was so. I love Corey Slushinger Man
played block for Barry Sanders Detroit Lions. Corey good old,
good old country boy.

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
So won a national championship with Nebraska corn Husker.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Baby. I love love Corey.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Uh, there's a lot of guys that I'll be remissed.
You know, I'm probably missing some guys that guys throughout
me in there too, James Devlyn, I got to throw yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
We We took short yardage and goal line like to
heart like they used to, like Scarnekio and all and
in the in the line like I remember, because you know,
we'd always be in the install meetings and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
And they they fucking took that ship to heart. They
wanted to get to boring the field. They loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
You know, we carried we carried a fullback my whole career.
It's a huge part of our team.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Now you said you talk with Moose, are you guys
do you have a fullback text chain?

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
Is there?

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
No, we don't have a right right, No, we just
like we have the phone every now and we chat,
chop it up. Mike. I talked to last week all Start,
and I go out to his golf tournament every year
and the guys get together and you know Sam, I
go fight Sam, Sam Gash, play golf and stuff with
him and just guys just talk. Larry Senters, you know,
talk to Larry lc Man. Shoot the guy called a

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hundred passes as a fullback. Yeah, I mean he was.
He was pretty amazing. It's insane. It's right a hundred
balls so I think with that home close to one
thousand yards too, So that's pretty that's that's pretty good
for coming out of the back through and moving around.
So it was just it's those guys are they mean
a lot? And uh, I love the fullback position. It's

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unfor fortunately that it's you know, it's a dying breed
and it's only I think the league only cares like
four or five in the league. But hopefully it'll come back.
And because I think it was a position that that
should be respected. It's position. And I'm glad that hardball
and is gonna the hardball boys are making it more
prominent again. And you know what cal Houschteck, what he

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does for the Niners, Juice is a great and he's
a great guy, great person.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Utility guy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Yeah, you stat you know, versatility, versatility, can run routes,
gets open and dude, the dude is just he's a
good man.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Love that guy.

Speaker 5 (01:17:35):
Let me throw some love on Larry Sands Center's right
quick nineteen ninety five, he had one hundred and one
perceptions for nine hundred and sixty two yards, two touchdowns,
twelve hundred and sixteen total yards, and then nineteen ninety
six he had ninety nine receptions for seven hundred and
sixty six yards but seven touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Little Larry Man Larry else was the man. Man, Larry
was the man. That's what you gotta do. You gotta
make fullbacks grading and we got to the promotion. Let's
get let's get one of these guys in the hall.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
We got it, We got it. You gotta be a fullback.
And you're exactly you know you need to be in
the hall. We got to get somebody.

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
Do you guys not like in all of our research,
it generally says Jim Brown is considered a full back.
Do you guys not claim him? Or is it complicated?

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
It's complicated because you know, like Frank o'harris, they say
he was a fullbacker and tail back. But you know,
so that's why like Moose has said, I should be in.
I tell Moose you should be in. Mike has said
I should be. I mean, Sam Gash, you you asked
those guys, they'll it should be. They'll tell a huge
part of it. It's the story of the game, right
and it was a huge part. Like you said in

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eighties and nineties and earlier and still I mean the
teams that are winning a girl. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
So what's the relationship between the fullback and the running back.
It's it's great dynamics. I mean, every every tailback that
I was did a block for Ladainy. You know, it
was privileged and honored that he chose me to induct
him into the Hall of Fame. So I was very
unbelievable position.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Yeah, and it's dude, he could have you know, took
Drew Brees and all these different other guys that are married,
you know, that were worthy of it. And you know,
Eddie George we you know still talk. You know, guys
have a great relationship with and you just you're there
for him. You want to make sure you protect them,
you want to make sure Hey, look this is what
I'm thinking. Go watch film together. I think the fullback

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in tailback relationship is is unbelievable. Now when when you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
You're with some legendary running backs. Oh yeah, and they
had some legendary seasons, any legendary gifts.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
You know what I just told. I mean, Eddie bought
all the linemen ATVs and you know, and I was like,
I said Eddie. And the year after I was gone
one there and said where's my ut a TV? It's
all over? So I messed with and gave my hard time.
So Eltie, I mean, Eddie, I'm still waiting for the
a TV. No, hey know. But he took dinner and
bought me a bunch of stuff and watches and gifts

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and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
So yeah, they they do. They take care of they do.
They take care of their guys who take care of him.
Now you used to do powers bosses, did you wham
it all?

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
Well, can you explain the difference of each of the
the things that each of the assignments you had?

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Yeah? Absolutely, would say, like we had preventions, so you're a.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
Wham is.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Usually when the three technique, the guy over whoever positioned
the big motherfucker in the middle in the middle, and the.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Guard flashes him like I'm blocking, and he slips him
and lets the go to the second level, goes to
the second level up to the linebacker, and now the
big guy in the middle comes through and he thinks
he's got a wide open and I'm right there at
the ear hold him.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
And get him.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
So that wham is you against tackle? Yes, bam, bam,
use it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Bam. Is either when I can come, I can bland
out like the X or the Z and they can
motion me in. And that's kind of when the crack.
I did that to Dwight Feeni. That's kind of how
we did the crack.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
And when you're getting like toss outside line outside linebacker
or the d N and that's yeah, and we called
usually like ninety or seventy crack or you know, toss
cracks okay, gator tng okay, and we've come down and
hit that defensive end, Dwight Freeneye.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
I got him, had him. I had him the year
they went thirteen and and we're the only team to
beat him, I think thirteen thirteen three. Yeah, you got
to pull it out and I was getting freeny.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
So what's boss? Boss means?

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
A boss is when the line when you pitch the
ball back on safe back on strong safety yep, so boss,
excuse it. You have the guard tackle pulling around. He's
kind of your garden tackle. They're pulling around, cleaning up
the linebackers turn in and it's usually boss back on
safety to Z or the X. When you're going he's
coming down blocking and cracking, and the usually opens up

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the safety and the full back. So Boss, I love
boss because they're a little small yeah, Boss, like the boss.
I knew they were going to try to cut me
and if they stayed up on their feet, they had
no chance. Shot.

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
It's jo power.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Power is that's when the thirty and sixty power, forty
sixty power, whatever it is, you know, sixty or seventy power.
That's when you have a down block. The fullback is
running the track, he's going where the tackle was. The
tight end he's blocking. He's blocking down. The USY to
guard is pulling so and then power. I'm kicking out

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the end or whoever the end man is on the
line of scripping linebacker, defensive end. It could be an
edge guy that you're just your power and you're going boom.
That's where it's power because you got two guys and power.
They're blocking down. It's a pull and full back at
the point of attack.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
What's another one. I love Iso, Iso. That's you in
the middle, me in the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Linebacker. Iso was my bread and butter because the guards
fans like he's showing pass and boom. The whole YUSY
opens up. Linebacker takes a step back and he realizes
it's it's lead and he's got to come make decision.
Love lead love power lead lod ice io. Yeah, maall,
And so that is that all of them?

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Yeah, you know what you had that or you you
know you had that, and that's what you gotta you young,
young fullbacks, there's six right, six plays that you have
to just not give a funk on about your body.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
Yeah, that's all. That's what fullback is.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
That's why you say it's about to quit right because
you you know the sixth plays right right, and then
we had Hey, you ain't going out, You ain't gonna
get his right. You gotta earn the right exactly, and
you'll get rewarded every now and then you do. You
do your job like we and then you have you know,
like Bob, Bob is back on backer, so we that's

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when a weak side play where it's like me balking
the wheelbacker the guy in the bubble. So guards covered,
you know, guards covered, you're inside, guard uncovered, you're going
outside because the guard, if he's uncovered, guard can go
up to the backers.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
That means you got to go off the outside backer.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
So we gotta get so when we're cutting all this up,
we'll have an example of each of your explanation, okay,
with a film cut up of it. It'll be fun. Yeah,
I can't wait to see what you like. We'll cut
all this ship. You know, we will cut in and
spice it. But like we'll see if we can get
all the bam, boss bob. Okay, it'll be It'll be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
That'll be that.

Speaker 5 (01:24:18):
Remember license the footage?

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
I know, can we not do that yet? Don't we
still do it? Not yet?

Speaker 5 (01:24:25):
I got a question for you. So we've talked about
all the different running backs that you've blocked for now
do you have to change or adapt how you operate? Like,
because Mike also has a very different running style from
Ladanian Thompson. Does do they want different things out of you?
Or is your job pretty much the same and you just.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Go for it? No?

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
I think when sometimes you know, like LT is like
all right, cool, he's patient, he's guys, boom boom. You
want to just you want to make sure that you're
going at a good speed, be square and let him
choose where he wants to go. Corey Dlon, he gonna
run up your head. You gotta be. If you don't,
he gonna hit you in the back. So you better

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frigg and go and make a create a hole. You
want to make sure you're doing him and Eddie, Eddie, Eddie.
You know, he's a little longer, so it's hard when
he gets going. He wants that forward lean Eddie George,
So you're just gonna go. But yeah, there's different there's
different little tweaks that you that you want to do
a guy like you know Sprosy, you don't. He's back
there moving, so you got to say, hey, Spros, let

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me step on his toes first, meaning that I want
to get close enough to him before you do it.
You know, a running back job is to set the
block up exactly if you're running the outside, if you're
running the lead or running we're running like a bob downhill.
He needs to hug that double team because the guard
is is you know, the guard is there acing or

(01:25:45):
trade blocking up or I mean acing up hip to hip,
hip to.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
Hip, and they're gonna go up to the next guy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Yes, And they can only do that if the running
back sets it up, because if the running back goes here,
why then he's gonna come.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
In, is gonna get it, So he's to be patient and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Run off the ass of that guy press it and
then it'll naturally happen. And then you read off of that.
So it could you could go slip in there, or
if he hugs them and wraps them, then you just
go right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
You can go back door. But if he comes off
right away, then linebackers said, man, that linebacker he fired
is done. He made he made the tackle in the
backfield is because the guard didn't hug it long enough
and he just lets him shoot, shoot the gap or
he gambles. So as long as he does that, that
linebacker has to stay home. So that's what That's one
of the things that you read just watching the game.

Speaker 5 (01:26:35):
And that just develops over the more stuff you guys
communicate on the sideline, you to develop that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
And you watch other tape doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
And also situations right like, what what's the situation?

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Is this a third?

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
You know this is a third, inches, fourth and inches.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
There's like certain points where they know the vulnerables part
of part of the defense where they have to win.
For the play to work, they have to be at
a yard in the end zone. For you to wick
for this to win, it becomes inertia.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:27:02):
Was there a running back from the history of the
NFL that you wish you could have blocked for?

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Oh yeah, you know, I really really really wish it's
a brilliant or not the emmins. I mean Barry Sanders
at times you just said, man, because he really didn't
like a fullback at times. Yeah, so just to see
what to change him. Yeah you want to change that?
Could change Barry baby, Let me change Berry the bear.
You would have ran behind me, I said, you would

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have stayed in there. I mean there are some backs man,
that you just looked at over the years that you say,
now today's game. I oughta loved Derrick Henry. Yeah, yeah,
I mean because he likes to be fun. Would be
to see that just getting you into him. Let's go
the Niners with Christian because they do those stretch. Niners

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make you cover every blade of grass because they got
that stretch play. So when you're running out there, that
linebacker's moving sideways. I would have loved to be able
to get those guys on skates, strong arm them and
just they're gonna go fine, so they can't cut back. So,
and Christian's that guy who presses the hole. He would,
he'd make you look good. McCaffrey runs a lot like
LT in some sense far as when they the running

(01:28:10):
the way they press the hole.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
So that pressing is like, that's that's like the main
thing for a running back. That's that's what differentiates a
college running back to a pro running back. In college,
a running back can just hit the hole and break tackles.
You can't do that in the league. You have to
set up and be patient with your with your line.
There's a line to every run, and there's a way
that a track they call it. You got to hit

(01:28:34):
the fucking track. Run the track, the track, and the
track like so, a lot of these young running backs
they'll cut before the block is ignited and then so
it's an early cut because it looks big and it
looks like it's there, but that's it's it's just a
mirage because this guy's gonna float over the top.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
So guys like Christian McCaffrey and LT, who's all pressed,
they press it, they'll damn near come right off your
heel and then full speed put their foot in the
ground and then go that and and that's the hardest
because once the linebacker's waiting, linebacker's waiting, oh shit, he's gone.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
He's gone.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
And that's that's what the great running backs do. But
it's it's like one of those things where you know,
you have guys over here, you have another block over
here on the with the you know, the receiver whatever,
there's another matchup. But he's got to feel that and
like press that and then you know it. You know,
that's like the number one thing it is the running back.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
It is no question.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
We'll be right back after this quick break.

Speaker 5 (01:29:39):
Let's actually get into the.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
Ok yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what's it?

Speaker 5 (01:29:43):
Real quick? So back in time November you digitals.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Back in time, we always go around, we go over
pop culture, around when the game took place.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
This game took place.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
November one, nineteen ninety eight. Number one movie Vampires.

Speaker 5 (01:29:56):
Never not even worth John Carpenter are not even worth it?
The first by Monica, not even worth it, water Boy
pretty much, the Broncos. You're pretty much him offensive water Boy.
Oh yeah, now that's neck roll game, right, Bobby Baby,
super Bow Champions, the Broncos, Charl Davis won. You know,

(01:30:19):
Tim v. Tennessee won That's champions at Rocky Williams. There's
a guy he won Heisman this year. Peyton's rookie season.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
He was he was like he was special.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
It was crazy watching him in that big run, that
fast he could fly and like he never he was
like some Bo Jackson type.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
No Saints were in the place for him. He was.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
He was.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
He's amazing, Okay, real quick.

Speaker 5 (01:30:45):
On this twenty nineteen ninety eight Minnesota Vikings team, this
is probably the best season of Vikings history. They went
fifteen to one, led by Dennis S. Green Rip. They
had a lead leaguing offense with a top ten defense.
This was also Randy Moss's rookie season and he had
seventeen touchdowns, one offensive Rookie of the Year, Hell of
the Season. Hall of Famous from this team, Random McDaniel,
Chris Carter, Randy Moss, John Randall, Gary Zimmerman, also some

(01:31:08):
other dudes worth noting Randall, Cunningham, Robert Smith, Tony Sarahgusa,
and Brad Johnson playoffs.

Speaker 6 (01:31:14):
Brian Billi was also the OC of this team. Who
Brian Billick? Brian Billy Yep, what happened to I was?
I still don't remember what happened? Why did they get
rid of Randall Cunningham?

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
This guy? Then he came back out of retire. Yeah,
he came back out of retire. He was doing work.
John went fifteen to one, and didn't they get Dante
Colebember like the next year?

Speaker 5 (01:31:34):
I think a couple of years later, Brad Johnson was
in the mix here.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
I think he got hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
But I mean this is old yeah, Randa old Randall,
but he was he lit it up man. They went
fifteen to one. This is when they were on the
Madden cover.

Speaker 5 (01:31:45):
Right, Well, this is the second time you guys played
the Vikings this season. You played in Randy Moss's first game.
The first game of this year was against the Vikings too.
Back when the Bucks and Vikings were the same division.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Did we beat them the minute we lost him there?
I think we must, right, because they were on the
field one yeah. Yeah, Now what do you remember about
this Fightings team?

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
I just remember that Tony Dungee was saying, got to
keep the ball away from him offensive. Tony Dungee saying,
you can't keep the ball away from their offense. So
Dungee was like, hey, it's gonna be a physical game. Guys,
ain't they They haven't been here to Tampa. This weather's
going to play a factor in it. It's gonna be hot,
it's gonna be humid. You make them, you make them

(01:32:25):
tap out. And the mentality was, okay, if we pound
these guys, and you saw it. It was that that offense,
that high explosive offense. They wanted to be on the field,
chomping at the bitch. But do you if you keep
them on the side, they become frustrated. We were able
to keep them on the field. They were they were
shoot the guys.

Speaker 4 (01:32:46):
That they had.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
I was Randy though.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
When you're watching them in like, oh, preparing for this game,
he was there like a Tony pay cut up of
this kid.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
Everybody just watching you like, oh, you're gonna get Randy come.
It's he was that type of guy, like dude Ron.
But we had a good corner, you know, Rondez, We
had some good corner, really good yeah, and it's like
but it was like so they wanted the challenge, but
Randy was Randy was Randy, and you know when he
when he was even he was leaving, and the dude
just had some incredible skills. I mean the way he

(01:33:16):
could just go up and high point the ball, the
way he could do Randy Moss was I liked Robert Smith.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Robert Smith running back baby at a stant wards. Robert
he was a pack ten guy. Was he an Arizona State?
Maybe Robert smith man twenty six? I just remember because
I used to play with this team on Matten. Yeah,
Rob He's always had the little jitters can run. Robert Smith, he.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
Was packed in.

Speaker 5 (01:33:39):
He's another guy. He retired too early.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Yeah, yeah, Robert Smith. He shut it down. He said
I got enough. I'm good. Robert Smith was good.

Speaker 5 (01:33:46):
Mala cunning him the next season, threw nine picks in
the first six games.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
He got.

Speaker 5 (01:33:51):
This Bucks team.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
So Johnny Randall, baby.

Speaker 5 (01:33:54):
Yeah, he's also you know, Matt Burkers on this team
offensive line for the Vikings. So now the nineteen ninety
eight Tampa Bay Bucks, coming off a ten and six season,
these Bucks won eight and eight. Third year of the
Tony Dungee era, this team had an incredible defense, ranked
second in the league, anchored by the likes of John Lynch,
Warren Sapp, Derek Brooks, and Ronde Barber. Then over on
the offense side of the ball was stacked backfield with

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as we mentioned, worked on Mike Alslott and of course lorenzo'neil.
It was also the first year of the Boks called
Raymond James Stadium their home. And just some Hall of
famous from this team Derek Brooks, Warren Sapped, Tony Dungee,
John Lynch, Ronde Barber, and then just more dudes worth
talking about. You know, Trent dil for your college teammate.
I was also on this team, Monte Kiffin defensive coordinator.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
Lane Kiffin's dad.

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
Now, I still think it's one of the craziest stats
that Derek Brooks never missed a play.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
That is crazy. Honestly, it's almost unbelievable. It's it is
unbelieving that like that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
That is the craziest thing to me, that era, that position,
just in any era any that to him and London Fletcher,
I think they never missed a game.

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
It's crazy, crazy to see what they were able to do.
I mean deep Brooks and he and he could run.
He was a guy that's that's a racehorse. Ran sideline
the sideline. You're gonna get injured and you're running that fast,
that quick, hamstrings and Derek Brooks.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Just you gotta be you gotta be lucky. Warren Sap
special special. That was when it was the most dominant.
It was the Aaron Donald Before Aaron Donald.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Warren Sap was the Corey Dillon on defense, like just
naturally going weight room, just mess around. Warren Sap didn't
really work, but he just man, he had boom. Yeah,
he's Aaron Donald, so athletic. Just I mean when he
started dancing and getting crazy, he's one of them guys.
You just like let him do his thing. He you're
no Warren Sap tried.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
That was my belichick. I didn't get as well as
you did. But now, how was this team? Could you
feel that something was brewing because this team went on? Yeah,
you knew it was so close. He should have made
the playoffs. There's a game when here have made the playoffs.
We lose at Jacksonville, and I lost the game. And

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where you just know, I'm not saying one play don't
lose the game, but the one play lost the game.
We're playing Jacksonville, it's pouring rain, we're lining up, we're
running power. We're absolutely killing him. Joel Spiney played with
me with the Saints. He's on Jacksonville. I'm bringing his
lunch to him. We're running power. We're just killing him.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
I'm talking, I'm fired up the sidelines. Guys on the
sideline watching and I I said, run fire, and I'm
standing in the game. I tell that because I, you know,
usually to take me out. Put Mike back at full
back and run fire, you know, fire lightning full back
in the flat because we're running power. So I go
at Spingey and I'm like, I'm gonna kill him and
I go like that. He turns his shoulder, he thinking

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I'm taking it because I've been just wearing him out.
He's like, ah, I slip out in the flat. It
opens up like the tier, Like I'm just opened up
at the Red Sea. It's just nothing but sideline. I'm like,
he's back there and it's raining. Man, dude, for why
you throw the ball that hard? You know how I
had hands like Roberto Duran's hands, So he threw the

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he put a little too much fire on it. But
I should have caught the ball. So if I catch
this ball, you got to catch it for the full back. Yeah,
you pretty much. You know how it is. I got
my neck rollo. If I catch this pass, it's six
and we win the game. We're already up by I
think we're up by two or three. I catch this,
I'm probably running forty yards for a touchdown. Instead, it's

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fourth down. We have to punt the ball. They up winning.
I know that that game. So we would have made
the playoffs that year. Yeah, man, yeah, so I knew
something was brewing and it would have gotten the playoffs.
We were pretty hot. We might have went on the road.
That's the way we were playing. This team was special.
This team was special.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Run the football and you got a historic defense, right,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
You just can't mess it up at the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
It was me that power. I should have caught that pass.
K five.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
You can't go eleven for twenty two game five on
a win. Yeah, it's like a good stat day.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
Yeah. Yeah, you know about this game. You know what
I mean? This game, this game, you know this game
we would just.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
Yeah, but I'm just saying position right, right right, I
mean look, cunt, But.

Speaker 5 (01:38:15):
Real quick, before we move on from the actual Bucks
jersey talk, real quick second, Creamsicle Bucks jerseys are powder
blue Chargers.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Ooh, that's tough. Powder blue. Yeah, that's the right powder blue,
that powder blue special. You know that powder blue special. Baby.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
I remember they got a way from it when I
was a kid, right right, and then they went back
to it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
At powder blue was tough, baby, So.

Speaker 5 (01:38:40):
Real quick on this game lead up. The big thing
to take away here is that the Vikings beat the
Bucks the first game of the season. This is the
you know, the second game of the season in the game,
well was to score the first game thirty one seven, okay,
And the Vikings were undefeated and going into this game
and they were averaging thirty four points.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Yeah, then you guys were only averaging I think twelve,
you guys were fourteen points because Tony had a pregame
interview and said, okay, you know, we just I think
he even said, we got to keep him off the field,
keep them off the field.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
That was all week mindset. But you prepare, you know, yeah,
the heat and mindset. You tell guys, hey, this is
what it's going to be. If you guys want to
win this game, that's what we got to do.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
Now, do you remember scouting the first game?

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
Because anytime you played in the division, you had one
game in you guys like you guys got blown out
the first time, right, so you knew that, like you
had to fix up. Do you remember anything that you
specifically remember from the first game that you used in
the second game that helped you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
Yeah, I think the biggest thing was like, okay, guys,
do your assignment. We can't score. Dungee was pretty clear, guys,
if you try to make this a shootout, we're not
winning this game. We're going to have the horses. But
if we can keep the ball, so wait, that means
everyone attention to dees, do your job, stay on your man, play,
snap the whistle. Our defense is going hold up. They

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gonna hold up. But if we go out here offensively
and just control the ball, keep the ball, that is
the only chance. And that's the only chance. So scouting them,
they had some big plays, and they had some big
plays in this game. But when you when you limit
the big plays, that's a Dungee say said, we can't
stop them the whole game, but we can limit them.
If you give them a lot of chances, we can't

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be Yeah, but if you live and so that's what
if you look at the ball, control what we had
and this time. You know that's huge.

Speaker 5 (01:40:32):
Yeah, so it's back and forth from the jump. Tampa
Bay struck first with a work done touchdown.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
You guys came out hot. Yeah, that's a crazy start.

Speaker 5 (01:40:39):
This was Tampa's first first half touchdown since December nineteen
ninety six.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
Yeah we were yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
Yeah, they talked about it on the broadcast, not scoring. Yeah,
we were surf fast. Yeah, I gotta start surf. That's
all coaches say that, right, gotta start fast.

Speaker 5 (01:40:55):
Traded touchdowns back and forth field to.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
The second quarter and you're fuckingh.

Speaker 5 (01:41:00):
Tied seventeen seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
Down fourteen point hole.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
You don't want to be here, man, Look I'm just
telling you you don't want to be down fourteen of
these assholes going into the fourth quarter? Got it sounds
like yes, because that's the ship he was, Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
Yes, come on, man, get it together.

Speaker 5 (01:41:24):
Early in the second half, Minnesota took the first lead
of the game on a Jake Reed touchdown. He would
have too. This game, twenty four to seventeen was no.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
Reed was bad too. I mean they had so many
but we just kept pounding. I know, we didn't give
it away.

Speaker 4 (01:41:36):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
Well, you guys, you guys held Randy pretty decently until
like the second half or the first, like end of
the first or right at the beginning of half to
our right before halftime, he had a big catch catch
on the right side.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
Yeah, I remember, I was.

Speaker 5 (01:41:52):
I was only two receptions for fifty two yards.

Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
There are other receivers eight though, you know what I mean,
like they s.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
For two. It was a hell of a game.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
It was a hell of a game. Was Chris Carter hurt?

Speaker 5 (01:42:04):
He only had a couple of receptions? Yeah, But fast
forward to late in the fourth quarter, Tampa Bay would
punch in a six yard all Stot touchdown with Lorenzo
Neil clearing the way and that would end up being
the game winner.

Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
Four We'll play was that think? It was power? It
ran outside? Didn't we let me? This was it was
just it was just it was my game that I
loved because it was just it was like, you know,
we're just smashed my watching it. You're playing? That was
that was the rams of the nineties, right, Yeah, you
know this team could score they were averaging what thirty

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a game. It was like you slow this team down.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
This was a historic game and this was like a
cool This was a cool foreshadowing of old school football.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
Playing the news evolution of what the game will become.

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
Wow, I like that well said it was. It was, hey,
this is a battle the grit.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
You were just like a bowling ball in your stance,
like how much weight was in your hand. It changed
for each play. Yeah, it was Io was it?

Speaker 1 (01:43:05):
You were just alum. But but they don't know what
I'm looking at. You gotta realize I'm just I'm just
down there, like all right, I don't know. Come get me,
come see and you'll see. I don't make many moves.
It's just like no, it's downhill. It's downhill. And guy,
we just Rud. I remember the linebacker Rud. I was
punishing Rud fifty fifty seven. Yes, you were. He was

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kind of skinny, was skinny?

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
Yeah, yeah he was.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
Yeah, he didn't want it. He didn't want it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
Some of those that's some of those longer guys and
try to absorb your middle guys.

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
What he would try to stip as fifty eight was
he was there. He was their leader. Oh yeah, Randall M. Daniel,
I think he was there there. Yeah, fifty eight linebacker.
They had.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Their defense wasn't bad. They had some ballers. They because
this was a fucking this was a slug fight. This
was fifteen to one. They just if they would have
went to the super.

Speaker 5 (01:43:56):
Bowl, it would have been played from the super Bowl too, huh.
One play away from the super Bowl. One great stat
from this game, Mike Alstott ran for a career high
one hundred and twenty eight yards worked one gained one
hundred and fifteen yards, giving the Bucks a pair of
one hundred yard runners in a game for the same
game for the first time in franchise history.

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
That I don't know. It was the biggest game.

Speaker 5 (01:44:18):
Team record, two hundred and forty two rushing yards.

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
That was quite a game. That was I just yeah,
I love I love that game. That game was special.

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
What was the legacy of that game for you? I
think just you know, beating a team.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
When you look back afterwards years later, you're like, wow,
that was a special game in Tampa. I was part
of blocking for two guys that I love that's still
great friends with. I think that was that was that
was the legacy. But I think when you looked at
it doing that moment, it's a team that wiped you
over the man, a team that thought they were better

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than you. A team that you lost to thirty one
to seven. They kicked your butt and you you're redemption.
It was a redemption game. So this was a game,
a statement game for us. So that's what that's what
I loved about that particular game.

Speaker 5 (01:45:05):
And they're one loss, this is huge and they would
go on to lose NFC Championship Game twenty to seventeen
to Atlanta. Anderson missed a thirty nine yard field goal
that would have.

Speaker 3 (01:45:15):
Iced it with two and he was lights out to
this point.

Speaker 5 (01:45:17):
He's a Hall Famer.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
Yeah, yeah, never missed that. Never.

Speaker 5 (01:45:21):
Yeah, he's one of the only like placekickers in the
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
And me and Morton played together with the Saints. Yeah,
Morten Ander he the one, one bar good guy, too
little Pisa he was. Was he a Britain, I mean
I think he's Danish. Danish. Yeah, he's so cool.

Speaker 5 (01:45:36):
And then Tampa Bay would end up going to a
Super Bowl in two thousand and two, winning their first
Randy Moss would go to play fourteen seasons for a
career total of nine hundred and eighty two receptions, fifteen
ninety two yards and one hundred and fifty six touchdowns,
and Lorenzo would go on to play ten more seasons
in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
Yeah, and it's crazy the Tampa team. What I loved
about it too is I thought that that year they
the year we lost to the Rams. I was. I
talked Warren, I talked to Mike before the game. I said,
come on, y'all, next, let's go. I'm gonna see all
there because in Brooks I said, I can't wait. I'm
gonna smack. So it was that crap talking because year before,

(01:46:15):
I mean, I'm in Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay loses to
the Rams. They should have beat the Rams. So I
think we're gonna play Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl.
So what was the school the Rams? And uh didn't
It wasn't the last play of the game that the
Rams beat them. Remember they're playing Tampa You were great school,
but they were This is like, yes, but you remember

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I think it was a fade route they beat the
Tampa was I think times no time on the clock.

Speaker 5 (01:46:42):
Give her a rough year.

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
Yeahs a year too. I went to the Super Bowl
with the site. Yeah, NFC Championship. It was I think
like four seconds left. I'm pulling for Tampa because it's
gonna be Tampa and Titans in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (01:46:55):
They lost eleven to six, seven to six.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
What's the last play of the game? Put up the
receiver made It's just eleven six and Tampa's winning.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
But that I mean that that that's a Saint breaking
offense that they held the freaking ten points or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:47:13):
Eleven They made it to Saint Louis's thirty five incomplete
plass to Burt Manuel and then.

Speaker 3 (01:47:19):
What a year for the Rams.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
Man, it almost they almost lost like every game. Oh
they played.

Speaker 5 (01:47:24):
They got it down to Saint Louis's twenty second and
Sean King was sacked by Grant Winstrom for minus thirteen yards,
put him back to the thirty five. And then they
went four and out.

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
But the last the Rams scored the touchdown.

Speaker 5 (01:47:35):
There's yeah, Ricky Prol thirty yard touchdowns with four minutes
and fifty seconds left.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
Ricky pol Yeah, it was was it like third or four?

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
I remember that it was yeah, f side, it was
third scene.

Speaker 5 (01:47:48):
Yeah, it was third and four on Tampa Bay thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
That was the game.

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
So Ricky Prol, Yeah he was tough guy too, yeap.
This was a fun game to go down and watch,
like just to like do the research. And rewatched the game.
We watched all your highlights. This was such a fun
time of football, right, really you really miss it, really.

Speaker 5 (01:48:09):
Do nostalgic for the era that we grew up watching
the smash mouth take the game. With four minutes left,
you put the ball, you run four minute offense. The
game's over, not like, oh, every team's gonna get five
more shots out I with three minutes left in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
That's what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
That.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
Yeah, the end of the game. We went four minutes,
I think and say this four minute went in four
minute and we just came out and touchdown. Yeah we
broke there, didn't Rudd thrower's helmet.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
No, all start broke like a forty yarder to like
the six and then you guys ran it out.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
No, you guys just need it. Okay, you need one
first down. But I thought Rudd the linebacker got mad
and he got a fifteen yeard penalty through us. Maybe
that too, but yeah, no, yeah, but we did. Yeah,
we just we just that. Yeah, that was a game
we just it was about the will. We said, let's
just let's break their will. Four minutes they needed to stop.
They're all offensive, way to go, and we refused. We

(01:49:02):
refuse to give those guys the ball bag. Let's grade it.
Let's grade it now. These are some names that we
came up with with this game. If you have a
name off the top of your dome, let us know.
We came up with the lone Loss, the Perfection spoiler,
low Man wins, game Revenge, and Raymond James, The Bucks

(01:49:24):
Run Wild, The Bucks Run Wild, the two forty two game. Ooh,
I'm gonna go no no, no. I like either low
Man wins or the Revenge in Raymond James just kind
of rhymes. The two forty two is good too, though,
whatever you want, you pick it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
You know what win, low Man win.

Speaker 5 (01:49:46):
And for our audio listeners, low is spelled l O
in honor of our guest.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
Right, yeah, baby, and he lot Man wins. There we go,
score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time?
Let's score Lorenzo Stakes of this week nine, nineteen ninety
nine Divisional game zero to ten Decimal's okay, what are
the stakes of this game?

Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
MEI? Yeah, oh, zero to ten? Ten? Baby? This is
what they went fifteen and one. Now the stakes season,
regular season. You know what, because of what they end
up doing that team fifteen and one, and because it
was what happened the revenge game, because we lost so

(01:50:32):
bad that I would say this was a six, seven,
six or seven. That's that's two point five, yeah, six
point five, six point five.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
Anytime you have a division game, it's over, it's a
six at least at least a six exactly, So I.

Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
Go six zero six.

Speaker 5 (01:50:46):
I'm gonna shout out real quick. We've got a fan
in the comments often. His name is Greg Conton. He
says that we should you should start saying decimal's encouraged
as opposed to deciminal's. Okay, okay, So decimal points occurred.
So Jewels had a six. Jack who's not here with
us today, he had a six point four. I had
six point two. So we're all right in there.

Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
Yeah, we're all in there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Okay, Okay, I was right there, Yeah, all right, Low
what about the star power of this game? Decimals encouraged
zero to ten?

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
You talked about I think over ten guys went on
to be in the Hall of Fame. Are you talking
about today to still? Are you saying it's for that
game that however, you interpret the star power. Okay, for
if you say the star power of that game today,
I don't know how you can't be in nine eight

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and a half to nine without a doubt star power.
You got too many guys. Eight and a half. I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
I mean you score, you had a legendary, legendary defense.
You have legendary offensive guys. I mean you're one of
the greatest fullbacks of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
I'm gonna go with the eight to two.

Speaker 5 (01:51:51):
Jack had a seven point nine.

Speaker 1 (01:51:54):
Yeah, coach to the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
Yeah. The gameplay of this grinder of a game zero plays.

Speaker 3 (01:52:03):
What do you mean game way? Did he go back
and forth?

Speaker 1 (01:52:06):
Was it very was it? Was it one side?

Speaker 4 (01:52:08):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
Yeah? Entertainment for entertainment level when you're at that particular
time Raymond James Stadium, the team that scored it was
going back and forth. Yo, you'd be anybody that says
this is for the entertainment value less than a seven.
I gotta look at you, guys. I'm starting with you, Jules.

Speaker 5 (01:52:25):
I'm trying to remember what I scored at.

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
I'm going gameplay. I like defensive battles, I like twelve personnel.
I like thirteen personnel. I like big, big guys on
big guys, So I'm gonna go like.

Speaker 5 (01:52:39):
Nate Jack had a seven point four e to seven
point six.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
Tell me what you didn't like about the game, would you?

Speaker 5 (01:52:45):
We've done We've done some insane games like Miracle on
Ice in twenty to three and all like, we've done
some stuff. So I just try to This is still
a regular season game, so I try to like dial
it back a little bit, okay, And generally guests come
in and don't score as much with integrity as you are,
So usually I just pull back the curtain. I usually
go a little bit lower than I actually think, just
to give a little bit more integrity for the whole show.

(01:53:07):
And you'll see when we're done.

Speaker 1 (01:53:08):
Though, No, no, because I just wanted to, but I
didn't think it was it because I played.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
Some people will say, like remember when Kansas City and
La Rams played.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
That fifty five fifty five to fifty, right, people like
that gameplay was so insane. It depends on why you
like no defense.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
You're like, dude, no defense, and that's why this one
had enough defense to hold This high powered offense has
been scoring thirty five take them to twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
So I thought that was yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
So yeah, you gotta be a real football had to understand.

Speaker 5 (01:53:41):
It's a solid game too, like three point game like great,
but it was.

Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
It was really good if it was one sidings.

Speaker 5 (01:53:48):
Yeah, there's not a I would say, there's not a
lot of like barroom conversation. But oh remember this week
the thing happened here. So that's like on the spectrum
that we're scoring it on, but like a seventy five
for like a regular season game, that's the same.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
Yeah, and then low man wins.

Speaker 5 (01:54:03):
What's the score?

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
The name of the game. Lowman's wins. We we grade
the name of the game, decimals and no man wins.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
Because I mean, I'm going with the seven. I'm going
with the seven.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
I gotta go seven, eight, I gotta go eight.

Speaker 1 (01:54:15):
But the full back, you know, I'm not going I'm
not gonna give min I'm not gonna tweet you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
You let me.

Speaker 5 (01:54:19):
Oh we go, there we go, there we go, there
we go. Okay, So Jack went with a five. Oh
I went a four to one just because shout out, Okay,
that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
Where is it?

Speaker 5 (01:54:28):
It's a seven point seven?

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:54:32):
So that puts us from here.

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
That puts us all the game.

Speaker 5 (01:54:35):
We're on the second page. Okay, that puts us at
our new seventy second game. It's just behind the two
thousand and six NFC Wildcard game Cowboys versus Seahawks. That's
the Romo Snap game. And then just ahead of twenty
one thirty one, the nineteen ninety five game one twenty
two Angels Orioles. That's Cal Ripken broke the iron Man stream.
Oh yeah, that's great. Yeah, so that's great one. That's

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a good spot for for regular season NFL game, no question.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
I'm maybe you know, next time I come, I might
throw that Titans bill, you know, miracle that high. Like
this is where we're at for our whole scores.

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
You can see we're a little bit Patriots focused, but
we've had Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:55:13):
Yeah no, but you got no, no, no, I think
that that Atlanta game, your game, that that game should
be up there. It should be the the Malcolm Butler game.
That's a fucking crazy game, no question, no question. I agree.

Speaker 5 (01:55:28):
We did the longest yard game with Kurt Warner early
in our four way to this Where is that?

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
Where is that? So when you think about okay, okay,
so comparison coats, when you guys talking about regular seat
star power, where did that game?

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
Why would you not rate it higher? Because Tampa didn't
have enough offensive star power. When you think about when
you with the age, that's pretty high. For me, I
think it was six, right. I mean, here's you have
to you got two receivers at a Hall of Fame
on the other team at a seven eight. And here's why.

Speaker 5 (01:56:00):
For me in football, quarterback is a big part of it.
And Trent dilferd Trent Dilfer, but like when we're doing
games like Peyton Manny versus Tom Brady, you know, and
seven eight is a good score for star power.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
And if you want consistency, you got to have a
good quarterback and you can win with team like I
think the Philadelphia Jalen Hurts doesn't have to win the game. No,
just don't go But if you go out and play,
he's better than Jimmy g But you know what I'm saying,
he can make the plays, but he doesn't have to.
I think that that team he.

Speaker 2 (01:56:34):
Should take advantage of this, take advantage of it because
then you can learn on how to win the game. Yes, yes,
this could train you exactly. And he's not playing. He's
not a bad quarterback. Yeah, like Tom didn't go out
and win the first couple, no, you know what I mean.
It was in that same kind of thing what they're
saying with Jalen. But then he he didn't stay the same.
He didn't, right, you know what I mean? He learned
from those times and then the little opportunities you have

(01:56:56):
to make, the plays you make, and then you keep
on making them and then it just and then your
team gets shaped into different things eventually because of salary
cap and you can't pay all the guys.

Speaker 3 (01:57:06):
So like that's the rest. That's that's how this shit is.

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
It is.

Speaker 5 (01:57:10):
We have Super Bowl thirty four of the Titans rams
super Bowl as our fifth fifteenth overall with eight point six.

Speaker 1 (01:57:16):
Okay that's a bit.

Speaker 5 (01:57:17):
Yeah, but you got to come back and do the
Music City Miracle because ye would be incredible awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:57:22):
I love this, man, I love this kind of It's
a great little setup. I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
We miss anything on this game, no, no, no, man,
We're good.

Speaker 1 (01:57:29):
Everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:57:30):
You gotta go check out Lorenzo. He co hosts Believe
in Chargers alongside Chargers play by play voice Matt money Smith.
New podcast air on FanDuel Sports Network, so Cow and
are also available whenever you get your podcast or wherever
you get your podcasts, and on Believes YouTube channel. That's

(01:57:54):
a pretty sick channel. I've seen you guys got a
bunch of awesome content built around this very excite Chargers team.
Believe Network also features the likes of Chris Hogan, your
guy there we goy lax guy. He gives you that
little lax perspective, Carl Banks, one of the best linebackers
of all time, Phil Sims Sims.

Speaker 3 (01:58:14):
I worked with Phil. I love Phil Phil.

Speaker 1 (01:58:17):
Does he ever say communist? And do you ever talk
to him anytime?

Speaker 3 (01:58:21):
Like he drops?

Speaker 5 (01:58:25):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:58:25):
And all these guys are delivering a bunch of great
analysis on all their leagues across the platform. Go check
it out Believe Network's uh YouTube channel. And Lorenzo thanks
for me.

Speaker 5 (01:58:38):
Before we wrap it up, just because this is such
a fucking Nashball football. Can you put your hand up,
Jewels real quick? Look at that fucking pinky. So, can
you put your hands up real quick? That's fucking football
right there.

Speaker 2 (01:58:50):
Hey, that's hey, Joolsie, I can get I hate that
you messed up the plate where it doesn't it dislocates.

Speaker 1 (01:58:57):
Just locate. I had that on this one. O. That
thing is beautiful. You did you get the surgeon?

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
I tried.

Speaker 1 (01:59:03):
See, that's what That's why I won't do it. They
tried to and it didn't work and it makes it stiff.
And that's what they're like, because I can still move it.
I can so I can get it into a fish.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:59:13):
Look that I mean I had that hold right, and
if I did this one, it'll be I don't want it.
I don't want it stuck down. No, I'd rather have
it up. If that's hart. I know, you rather have
it up. And then I would do that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:25):
I always do that tape around because my knuckle this thing,
my knuckle would pop out meantime I'd hit. So I'd
have to do a tape thing every day to keep
it like placed in because but it wouldn't hurt out,
you know when you you calcified all that ship right,
but like it would be annoying in the middle of
the play you're popping.

Speaker 1 (01:59:44):
Popping it or buddy tape it as the buddy tape.
Buddy was my favorite. If people can go to uh,
actually go to Bolts in Brazil. Bolts in Brazil, Bolts
in Brazil dot Com. I'm going to Brazil. Yeah, come on,
win me bunk. We're going to first week they're playing
Kansas City Chiefs. I know you'll be pulling for the
Chargers playing against the Chiefs in Brazil and the games

(02:00:07):
on Friday. It's the first week of the season.

Speaker 2 (02:00:08):
I know.

Speaker 1 (02:00:09):
So let's go, baby, let's go. Jooles me some pepper teine. Baby,
come on, let's gold. What's up?

Speaker 2 (02:00:16):
I would love today. The thing is, I got we
gotta see because I work with the Fox shows.

Speaker 1 (02:00:21):
Got You, Gotch?

Speaker 2 (02:00:22):
So we were in studio on Sundays, gotch and I've
been We've been trying to get down to Brazil game.

Speaker 5 (02:00:28):
Tell me you want to go to that one Ireland game?

Speaker 1 (02:00:30):
Wait and we will be back Saturday. But you think
about it, we could fly back Saturday games on Friday.

Speaker 3 (02:00:36):
We'll figure it out. Let's figure this out.

Speaker 1 (02:00:37):
Juice me out. Now, we'll take over Brazil. It is
built for Brazil.

Speaker 2 (02:00:41):
Bolts in Brazil, Bolts, Bolts in Brazil, for the Chargers,
Bolts and so you can go to Bolts in Brazil.

Speaker 1 (02:00:47):
You can go there. You can get your tickets, big
tailgate all everything's inclusive. Fun, it's gonna be absolute legendary.
Bolts in Brazil dot Com go to Bolts in Brazil
dot Com and hollow at you boylot. We can get crazy,
crazy crazy, they'll get crazy.

Speaker 5 (02:01:03):
I just know over here, if Jewels goes to the basis,
we're probably not seeing him for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (02:01:12):
Man, Joels, we're gonna go pray for people over there.

Speaker 1 (02:01:14):
He's good. We're good, Jeels were hallelujah. Oh yeah, we're good.

Speaker 3 (02:01:20):
Lorenzo, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (02:01:22):
Thank you, You're the best brother.

Speaker 4 (02:01:24):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (02:01:25):
We'll be right back after this quick break. Man.

Speaker 3 (02:01:28):
That was a fun episode and we get to talk
to another five hours.

Speaker 5 (02:01:32):
I love that era of football.

Speaker 1 (02:01:35):
Yet.

Speaker 3 (02:01:35):
You see how his energy was.

Speaker 1 (02:01:36):
The full back guy, always positive, always like but we'll
like eat nails.

Speaker 5 (02:01:41):
Dude, and you like he FaceTime, Mike Alsta, you guys
talked after him. Yeah, we gotta get him on the show.
That was incredible.

Speaker 2 (02:01:48):
I mean he I don't know if I'm going to
say this, but he he left his family in the
car for the whole interview. It's two hour interview. I
go but they're going to Disneyland, now, I know, but
that's that's only a fullback would do that. It'll toughen
them up. Are going to they need to earn going
to Disneyland.

Speaker 5 (02:02:09):
Did you see if there was a crack?

Speaker 1 (02:02:11):
I didn't get to see. I just heard, or I
would have said, like, dude, bring the fam we always
have people in.

Speaker 3 (02:02:17):
I think we gave him the option. I think he
wanted to have him.

Speaker 5 (02:02:20):
In the bar, stuffing him up, smash mouth, parenting.

Speaker 3 (02:02:24):
Love man wins baby, I love it. Well, it's time.

Speaker 2 (02:02:28):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
No, he was. He was great.

Speaker 5 (02:02:29):
I love that era he did. He picked a great game. Also,
I didn't even realize he was a part. I should
have known that he was a part of the miracle
in Miami Music City Miracle.

Speaker 2 (02:02:39):
Music City Miracle had such recency bias that we think
about that game when the other game was way better,
which one Music City Miracle is like a legendary real game.
We're tainted with Miracle Miami because of the loss, naturally
subconsciously for me.

Speaker 5 (02:02:55):
And there's also Minneapolis Miracle. There's so many Miracles, Miracle
and Motors City Miracle too.

Speaker 1 (02:03:00):
I think the.

Speaker 5 (02:03:04):
Cory Schlessinger. I looked him up were when we were
like when I wasn't paying attention. No, that's Larry Centers Schlessinger,
just like.

Speaker 1 (02:03:14):
Nineties Lions.

Speaker 5 (02:03:16):
I think he's got two neck rolls on, just absolute
fucking stead you know, he looks like do you ever
watch the show? Did you ever watch the show Playmakers
on ESPN?

Speaker 3 (02:03:25):
I didn't, but I saw I used to.

Speaker 2 (02:03:28):
There was like during my career, No, two thousand and nine,
it really Playmakers maybe two thousand and five.

Speaker 3 (02:03:37):
They're rerunning on ESPN when I saw it, remember watching.

Speaker 5 (02:03:40):
Should we reboot Playmakers? Two thousand and three?

Speaker 1 (02:03:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:03:44):
Yeah, this guy right here, the lead of Playmakers.

Speaker 2 (02:03:49):
I love how every San Diego Charger from the old
San Diego Charger like comes at me like I'm a
part of these old San Diego Charger Like Buddy I
was in seventh grade and Tony Hogates and Low we
have been killing me about this this divisional round playoff.

Speaker 5 (02:04:11):
Game because you're mister Patriot, right, So all of their
hatred towards Patriots, You're like the personification of it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:17):
So they just got to hate you.

Speaker 5 (02:04:19):
I understand it.

Speaker 2 (02:04:20):
Whatever, you know what, we need to chill out and
it's time to get in the chills zone. It brought
to you my course, like.

Speaker 5 (02:04:26):
I'm in the wrong computer hole. I'm want to show
you something real quick.

Speaker 1 (02:04:28):
That's him.

Speaker 5 (02:04:29):
I don't know, it looks like it guy from Playmakers
versus Chorus Lessenger. Yeah, there you go, linebacker, full back.

Speaker 3 (02:04:35):
Look of the arms though difference.

Speaker 5 (02:04:38):
Well, you know when's an actor when's are real fucking man.

Speaker 3 (02:04:40):
That's what I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (02:04:41):
Show ponies versus race horses, Yeah, rhino versus pony. That's
just personal group. We had plenty personnel.

Speaker 5 (02:04:49):
Was that just like faster?

Speaker 2 (02:04:50):
No, it was the same kind of thing where you'd
have like a hybrid running it'd be a three receiver.
We were our pony was I went to why we
took out a tight end, kept an f and a
running back in h so it was two receiver, it
was two running back, three receiver. It's always some kind

(02:05:12):
of smaller version of something the pony.

Speaker 5 (02:05:14):
I just thought you talked about in the show. But
watching the highlights from that game and just seeing Lorenzo
O'Neil line up in front of Mike Halstott and it's
just like, that's your fucking backfield.

Speaker 3 (02:05:25):
It's so funny how it's incredible.

Speaker 2 (02:05:27):
None, no, none of these guys probably feel like we
felt after having two bad plays in a game.

Speaker 3 (02:05:34):
What do you mean you know how like he said
he was going over.

Speaker 2 (02:05:39):
Yeah, you know everyone sees that game winning block, but
you know you're about to get your ass dreamed about
the four plays or to the one two plays that
you messed up critically that no one really sees.

Speaker 1 (02:05:50):
M hmm. I wonder.

Speaker 3 (02:05:53):
I wonder how that's dealt with now. It just seems
like it's been different.

Speaker 2 (02:05:56):
Everyone's like so anti like accountability in the on the
team thing now, Like I wonder where that balance is.

Speaker 1 (02:06:05):
I'm gonna go look at these camps. I'm gonna go
check out some camps.

Speaker 2 (02:06:09):
Do you know which ones you do? The locals I
want to do? I want to do they? I mean
the Chargers are I think in Sandy I mean, are
they in SANDEO They're camp?

Speaker 1 (02:06:20):
That's kind of tight. If they are, I think they are.

Speaker 3 (02:06:22):
I want to go to l A Chargers. I want
to go to you gotta go to the Rams.

Speaker 2 (02:06:26):
I have a cool relationship with McVeigh And unless Snead
and my guy left, Klee would become the o c
A freaking I would love to go see Houston if
I could. I want to see I get to go
to Chicago for Fox and cover the preseason game.

Speaker 3 (02:06:46):
That'll be.

Speaker 1 (02:06:49):
I gotta look that up.

Speaker 2 (02:06:51):
It'll be fun to get to. I want to go
maybe a couple days early, see if they have joint
practice and get to go watch those reps.

Speaker 5 (02:06:57):
Is it Bill's Dolphins or Chiefs. It's either Dolphins or Bills.
I think it's Bills seventeen August seventeenth. Yeah, yeah, that's
the second game. Yeah, that's cool. If they're doing some
joint practices.

Speaker 2 (02:07:10):
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Speaker 3 (02:07:23):
Since football is almost.

Speaker 2 (02:07:24):
Back and the guys are back in camp, we're gonna
break down training camp life. That's an NFL football player.
Let's get into it. Did we do the cracks are Yeah?
You missed the crack dog, I got the crack. Bills
and Bears are doing joint practices.

Speaker 1 (02:07:41):
I know that'll be fun.

Speaker 3 (02:07:42):
I want to go see if I can.

Speaker 5 (02:07:43):
Josh Allen huh. You meet Josh Allen in passing. Yeah,
I bet you and McDermot would get along. Wrestling guy,
hard nosed guy who they're a head coach.

Speaker 2 (02:07:55):
Yeah I know that, but me and him, Yeah, not
a wrestling guy.

Speaker 5 (02:07:59):
Yeah, guy adjacent, your wrestling guy adjacent.

Speaker 2 (02:08:02):
How come every wrestling guy says that I should wrestle?
You play like a wrestler, Yeah, dude, I was like
swift with the ball in my hands.

Speaker 5 (02:08:10):
No, but like but no, no, no, not like that
in terms of like toughness, fucking playing above your weight class,
in terms of like hitting, you know, not taking note
for an answer, that's more like Navy seal dog. Oh yeah,
you're a Navy seal.

Speaker 1 (02:08:23):
I wish steal hairy Kraft Navy seal?

Speaker 5 (02:08:26):
Is that mister Kraft's son?

Speaker 1 (02:08:29):
Wow, Jonathan, that's badass. That's fucking badass.

Speaker 5 (02:08:33):
That training camp is in full force right now. So
it's going, it's happening. We're cooking.

Speaker 3 (02:08:39):
I can feel my hamstrings at night. They're like, what's
going on? You running right now?

Speaker 5 (02:08:43):
You don't smell the grass here though, right? You don't
get that like that, Like, dude, you get the grass.

Speaker 2 (02:08:49):
Thing I do every morning when I go out and
collect my fifteen minutes a UV raise, gonna get there
to get my melow tone clock right, I go and
I ground my feet on that little dewey grass in
the backyard and we get due here. Bro, it's been
chili here in La. M not chili like honestly perfect,

(02:09:10):
but I love a howt chili in La is seventy
six And people come to La and they're like, it's
so cold here because they think it's like a hundred always.

Speaker 4 (02:09:18):
It's not.

Speaker 3 (02:09:18):
It's seventy five and sunny.

Speaker 5 (02:09:21):
Yeah, But it's all about if you're where you live,
if you're not in the sun and it's seventy five degrees,
as cold as fuck. But if you're in the sun
and it's sixty five degrees, you're hot.

Speaker 1 (02:09:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:09:31):
Yeah, Okay. Training camp questions, Uh, pull back the curtain
behind what life like is in training camp? Now that's happening.
I know it's probably a little bit different from when
you played to now, but let's talk about it anyway.
Do you remember your first training camp?

Speaker 1 (02:09:43):
Yeah? What was it like?

Speaker 5 (02:09:44):
The first time, Like you walked in that building, it
was like a beat for beat when you walked into
the building for the first time.

Speaker 2 (02:09:49):
It's a mixed emotion, you're like, especially for a rookie.
My situation, I was seventh round draft pick. Changing position
isn't a different It's different for everyone, but I could
I could probably say it's it's similar for everyone that,
like I think there's a there's like a nervousness anxiety

(02:10:14):
that's floating. Did I do enough work in the offseason?
Am I in good enough shape? Am I going to
be able to make the team? What's going Am I
going to be able to fix the six things that
I didn't do in mini camps the way I really
wanted to that they talk to me about, like there's
a lot of that going on in your head. And

(02:10:35):
then for me as a first rookie camp, we still
had double days, and I was anticipating that I was
gonna be on like a lot of stuff. And I've
never really ran a lot in practice, you know, so
like I was a quarterback, you guys have to half

(02:10:56):
the time you're like playing like goal line game goal throws,
you know, all special teams are working their nuts off,
or you're doing like quarterback stuff. But it was never
like taxing. So I was like nervous for that, and
then you also had your conditioning tests that you wanted
to go in and I always wanted to go in
and turn heads, so I wanted to show them how

(02:11:18):
easy it was. So you're anticipating that there's like a
lot of and then there's like I remember, there's a
lot of logistics, so many logistics schedules, and well, you
got to go over the whole rule book or like
in a bridge version meeting of the rules you go
over every year when you when you get in, you
take your physical, you do your conditioning test, and then

(02:11:40):
there's a team meeting. I always depend if you came
back early. If you're a quarterback, you came back you
had to go to the early camp. Rookies early camp,
injured's early camp, so you had to do three days
before everyone else reports, and then you know, when you
get there, you do your physical. It's kind of like
the first day of school. Everyone's got like a fresh

(02:12:01):
fit on, everyone's got a sun tan, someone's got bleached hair. Yeah,
someone's got something, you know, the new there's a new
car in the drive, you know, and the phone got
paid yeah, and everyone got paid. Yeah, but free agent,
new meat what new meat free agent, big free agent. Yeah,
but you've seen that, you've seen we've all seen each
other of the mini camps. In the mini camps. But

(02:12:23):
this is you know, guys bring ship. You know, you
see guys bring their system. Because we stayed at a hotel.
Roommate or no roommate, rookie year, roommate. Okay, who's your roommate,
rookie year, who's my rookie?

Speaker 3 (02:12:34):
I had a I had a.

Speaker 2 (02:12:40):
He was a guy that was like in his third year,
but he was bouncing around the league. He had a
hyperbaric chamber. I forgot his name.

Speaker 5 (02:12:45):
That's sick.

Speaker 3 (02:12:46):
Yeah, he had a hyperbaric chamber in.

Speaker 1 (02:12:47):
The living room. That's if I could use it.

Speaker 2 (02:12:51):
Use it for a little did it work, Didn't feel
a thing. But you report and then you have to
do your conditioning test. And when we do our conditioning test.

Speaker 5 (02:13:01):
Is that day one condition they one?

Speaker 3 (02:13:03):
Okay, this is after the physical.

Speaker 2 (02:13:04):
Once you've been cleared for your physical, there's like a
lunch and then there's the conditioning test. Now, when we
do our conditioning test, everyone in the organization would be
out on the conditioning field to watch. I'm talking personal scouts,
or the personnel scouts, the college scouts, every football coach.

(02:13:29):
There's like two hundred people associated team, all with their
little fucking notebooks, all like giving your mean mugs, like
the start of the season's about to start, you know,
and so a lot of you get a lot you
get anxiety from that. You know you're sitting there, especially
when it's your first few times doing it, you're like, oh,
fuck ownership owner, mister Krafts out there fucking walking around.

(02:13:53):
You know, everyone's there, they want to see what who
you know what I mean? And so you do the
conditioning test, and then after that's done, you have a
team meeting. You go through all the rules and so
you basically, you know, you go over, you're late, you know,
it's five thousand dollars. If you're you miss a day

(02:14:14):
unannounced or unexcused, it's twenty thousand dollars. If you're over
your report weight each pound, it's five hundred and sixty
two dollars each day it's over. So if that's two pounds,
bill would go to someone what's the math to that?

Speaker 1 (02:14:31):
You know, what's that?

Speaker 2 (02:14:33):
It'd be like some you know, oh, it's twelve hundred bucks.
Coach right, twelve hundred dollars, like he would do that right,
and then you go every year he would go in
and he would talk about, look, if it burns, you
can't have it in the hotel room. Don't be coming

(02:14:56):
here with your incense, your fucking candles. If it burned,
like we could never burn anything inside the hotel. Clearly
didn't know smoking, so like you know what I mean,
but like.

Speaker 1 (02:15:08):
If it burned.

Speaker 2 (02:15:10):
And then after the bat light thing, remember anybody brought
a crossbow on, we would go over the I didn't
realize it was because I'm at light. He would go
over that rule. You can't gamble on NFL facilities. You
can't have a weapon anywhere on an NFL facility. And

(02:15:33):
it says guns, but he'd be like, and light, that
means crossbows, sling shots. He would give examples swords. Don't
be fucking you can't have like it would would it
would be fun.

Speaker 5 (02:15:46):
Like any dude's ever bring like animals, like a pet
or anything like someone's got like a tarantula they bring.

Speaker 2 (02:15:51):
The lineman brought a duck and put it in Donald's
locker and it lived there for like three days. And
I think Nate soldier took the duck and raised it,
and the duck is somewhere still alive.

Speaker 5 (02:16:05):
I think, amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:16:07):
No, so we would go over all the rules and
so you get there at like eight. The conditioning test
is at like one. This meeting is at like four,
and so they would schedule all this stuff so you
couldn't leave the facility, but you had downtime at the facility.

Speaker 1 (02:16:27):
So you're basically there all day.

Speaker 2 (02:16:31):
And then you go over like expectations, coaches, vision of
the team, and then you break up OD and you
get into like, all right, this is what we're installing
for tomorrow, and then it fucking just jumps into it.

Speaker 5 (02:16:42):
Yeah, backtrack real quick. It's no secret that NFL players
participate in weed. So where were guys going to smoke
or are they just doing non smoking ways or like
would they go in.

Speaker 1 (02:16:53):
Car like take rides or like how did that work?

Speaker 2 (02:16:55):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:16:55):
One would smoke at the hotel.

Speaker 5 (02:16:56):
Okay, but you had flexibilit It's not like you were
like locked down going from like hotel to facility.

Speaker 2 (02:17:02):
No. And also guys had houses, like we had a
I had my house was like we just go to
the house for but you had curfew, so you had
to sleep, So we go to if we had like
a two hour break, we go play ping pong at
my house for forty five to an hour.

Speaker 5 (02:17:17):
Now do guys just absolutely resent having to go to
hotels when they live nearby?

Speaker 2 (02:17:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:17:21):
Was it nice to just be hey, word camp, let's
fucking start, let's be here.

Speaker 2 (02:17:26):
Yeah, I mean it's just part of it. Yeah, I
don't you know that it was kind of nice to
get I like, just to have to.

Speaker 1 (02:17:35):
Worry about shit.

Speaker 3 (02:17:36):
You didn't, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (02:17:37):
It kept the kept the main thing, the main thing.
You don't have to worry about clothes, this that I
mean you did, but just less. It was just like
less less distractions.

Speaker 1 (02:17:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:17:48):
Yeah, And when did you guys move out of the hotel?

Speaker 1 (02:17:51):
Dude?

Speaker 2 (02:17:51):
I remember being like five weeks or something. That's all
it used to be long. Now they're only there for
like two weeks.

Speaker 5 (02:17:57):
With the beds at least nice. They set them up nice.

Speaker 2 (02:17:59):
Uh ye, shout out residents in they're all right, yeah,
not like your home bank I brought.

Speaker 1 (02:18:07):
I think I brought a mattress by like your six
seven eight.

Speaker 5 (02:18:13):
Now people always ask, I'm sure with training camps like
what's the worst part of training camp? But what's the
best part? Like what's something that like people don't realize
is like fun or something you look forward to with
regards to training camp.

Speaker 1 (02:18:26):
Uh, best best.

Speaker 2 (02:18:29):
Part of training camp is you know the excitement of
the start. It's the start of the season. You know
the crowds out there. You know you've been in OTAs,
you've been in mini camps, and it's just the team there.
You go out there and you get to feed off
the energy of the crowd. Uh, the first like five
days or four days or like all right, yeah, and

(02:18:49):
then after that it just becomes a grind and you
start getting tired. Like not you're tired, but you get
beat up when you start introducing pads and when you
used to hit a lot more.

Speaker 3 (02:18:58):
You know, it tough.

Speaker 2 (02:19:00):
Like I remember in my early part of my career
with the double days, it was run in the morning,
passes in the afternoon. You had your sleep rooms, like
guys would take naps. There's like designated rooms with a
bunch of mattresses and you'd be like a fucking Vietnamese
opium den and you'd have like eighteen seven foot freaking

(02:19:23):
athletes hanging off of bed, trying to get in thirty
five minutes to sleep before the next practice because it's
eighty two degrees eighty eight degrees with fucking ninety percent
humidity in Boston.

Speaker 1 (02:19:35):
I mean it was.

Speaker 2 (02:19:35):
It's just a grind. And what makes it really hard
is that you have to focus when you're tired. Yeah,
it's like it's like hell week. I mean not like
hell wek Hell Week is way worse, like with the Seals,
but like having to go in and after when you
were a young player and you were on everything, you
had to go balls of the walls both practices every day, but.

Speaker 3 (02:20:00):
Then you had to go in and install at night
for the next day, and you had to.

Speaker 2 (02:20:09):
Correct things from that practice early practice to the second practice.
It was like you had to be on when you
were dying, like, you know, tired and mentally exhausted from
you know, the amount of stuff that you're doing and
it's all new, you know, you know, you didn't want
to fuck up your hairpin turn on fucking special teams

(02:20:30):
and or the three plays that they installed for kickoff
that day. And then you had you know, an additional
a NASCAR sheet that you had to remember for the
five terms that you could use for the conditioning the
next day. Like it was just a lot of like
a lot of like studying and when you're tired, mental stamina,

(02:20:50):
mental stamina. And that's where you know guys would not
make the team is when they'd fuck up their formations
or they would be slow and not do something on
that you know we went over, Like that's part of
this process. Training camp is essentially it's a race to
who could be the best and most effective prepper going

(02:21:11):
into the season, meaning who knows how to install their ship,
who knows how to practice effectively, who knows how to
get all their plays ran and practice without having to
fuck it up and start over a program? You know,
who can take the you know, the drills the best,
and and and and which coaching staffs can come up
with the drills that will put these guys in situations

(02:21:32):
for ball security. Like it's a race who can prepare
the best.

Speaker 1 (02:21:37):
That's what it is.

Speaker 5 (02:21:39):
Now given lose your playbook? Ever see anyone lose their playbook?

Speaker 1 (02:21:45):
No, nah, you don't.

Speaker 3 (02:21:48):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (02:21:49):
I would only bring my playbook to like my house
or like you weren't, I wasn't carrying it around to
fucking you had socks.

Speaker 1 (02:21:55):
You had binder, and then as it started off.

Speaker 2 (02:21:58):
Three inch binder, and then like I think in twenty
eleven twelve, like my fourth or third year, we started
going to the iPad. Okay, And it used to be
you know, now the iPad is the best because it
has the library of all your cutups and coaches can
just send you all right, guys, we got we got

(02:22:19):
a thirty play cut up of their dbs here. You know.
Before that, you know, I have probably eight hundred CDs
that you could go into the film guys and say, hey,
can I get those cut ups? Coach or coaches would distribute. Yeah,
you know, all right, watch this for tomorrow's practice.

Speaker 3 (02:22:35):
We're going to go over it in this you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:22:38):
So, like the iPad is such a technological fucking advance there, Yeah,
because it just makes it I mean, but you know
a lot of the older guys that came from the binders,
even when we had the iPads, would stay binder, Like
Brady would stay binder.

Speaker 5 (02:22:54):
There's something about having something tactful that you can write
on and you have a pencil and you can it
be true. But I can see the simplicity of an
iPad that it's all fucking there.

Speaker 2 (02:23:03):
Yeah, it's just also the you know, the everyone prepares differently,
and like some people need to be pent on paper
because they by the time you could even highlight and
the plays on the fucking get a pad because you
get your sheets of plays all drawn out. And I
always used to like to go over them with my
highlighters and my spots and colored coat and ate my shit,

(02:23:26):
like the X was always a red or you know,
you know, the Z was always the yellow, the pink
was the other, you know what I mean. And I
would do all my and then in the coaching point
with the coach would say it just sometimes jotting it down.
Was I used to jot still? Yeah, but I use
my iPad for the film. The film, it was like
the best. Yeah, just it's all of it.

Speaker 1 (02:23:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:23:45):
Did you ever see any guys and maybe this didn't
happen to England, but do you ever see any guys
maybe play up injuries or a little bit to get
a little bit of like maybe some veterans just not
have to be participate as much or like any little
little games like that to just kind of conserve energy.

Speaker 2 (02:24:01):
We were pretty good with that. Yeah, I remember when
I broke my thumb bobby balls with my ball guys.

Speaker 1 (02:24:10):
I was doing.

Speaker 2 (02:24:13):
I was, I was I think I was rehabbing rehabbing
my shoulder, I think, and I was running routes and
I was on pup and like I broke my thumb
doing ball drills and like they kind of I was
trying to get back and they kind of were like,

(02:24:33):
let's just like at that point of my career, They're like, well,
we need you in fucking January, June, September right now,
can you like you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (02:24:42):
So, like there's a lot of that, Yeah, And you know,
there was always.

Speaker 2 (02:24:47):
The game is the like the guys that barely make
the team, that whole injury stuff. That's yeah, And I
was on that game, but like I was never it's
you know, do you cut a guy to put them
on or do you medical red shirt or do you
uh you know, do you you you.

Speaker 3 (02:25:04):
Put them on?

Speaker 1 (02:25:04):
Irre.

Speaker 3 (02:25:05):
There's a bunch of those thing games that I don't.
I didn't I was never a part of.

Speaker 5 (02:25:10):
I kind of know, but whatever, do you ever see
any out of out of the blue kind of cuts
or roster moves that like the team kinds like oh shit,
Like yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:25:19):
There was always there's always like there was always a
joker maker, like a joker card or what do they
call that.

Speaker 3 (02:25:33):
There was always like just one. There was always like
a surprise make every year.

Speaker 5 (02:25:37):
But you, like a log.

Speaker 2 (02:25:40):
When you were there for a while, you knew who
the guys were gonna, like you could tell by you
could tell by performance, how coaches talked, uh attitudes of
certain players, willingness of certain players, rep distribution to those
players after doing well in certain things, maybe in a

(02:26:02):
completely different aspect of the game, but you see them
get rewarded, take advantage, Like you could see that stuff.

Speaker 5 (02:26:09):
So like a fan might see, oh that guy got traded.

Speaker 2 (02:26:11):
That fan could also see like you know a guy
that has like a billion catches, but half of them
were like.

Speaker 3 (02:26:19):
Not really you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (02:26:20):
So there wasn't any like big surprise because you because
when you're plugged and you understand the patterns, you understand
how it's going, it's nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:26:26):
It comes like lower or five years to realize yeah,
you know they're every But before that, I.

Speaker 1 (02:26:32):
Was like, oh my god, Richard Seymour, Yeah yeah, Logan
Manks is gone, oh what we cut this guy? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:26:43):
You know what I mean, because you never know what
they're trying to build the team for, you know what
I mean, And you don't know how because our our
team was always different because we wouldn't. It's like standard,
all right, usually can always keep six receivers, you keep
five running backs, you know what I mean? Ours, I
remember when you were like we had like four receivers
going like we cut down to four receivers. Because there's

(02:27:05):
also the free agency game of the other teams that
your personnel department has been eye in and scanning to
see who's let go in that world.

Speaker 3 (02:27:13):
So it's like an ongoing thing.

Speaker 5 (02:27:15):
Yeah, what's the biggest like faux pas or fuck up?
You've seen a rookie?

Speaker 2 (02:27:20):
Do?

Speaker 1 (02:27:21):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (02:27:22):
Anytime like an undrafted guy or a rookie like is
late to something, I'm like, I would just turn them off.
It means you don't think this is serious enough. Because
I remember, like I I literally for a preseason game
when I was like bawling already. I remember I lost

(02:27:43):
the keys to my hot my car and we had
and this was for a preseason game. For the meeting
that I knew I wasn't playing in I lost the
keys to my car. Is when I lived in Foxboro
and we had a new neighbor and I had all
the All the my neighbors were players that were already
at the facility, and there was no uber. Yeah, and

(02:28:07):
so I'm literally on an island. I went to a
person's house. I had no clue of.

Speaker 3 (02:28:13):
This new neighbor.

Speaker 2 (02:28:14):
I said, Hey, I know this is kind of crazy,
but I have twenty two minutes to get to a place.
It's gonna take me fifteen minutes to go through. Now
you're gonna say it's gonna be thirty. But with the
way you'll drive with me in the car, we're gonna
be good on cops. Will you take me to my
team meeting? And it's literally yes, they took me. They

(02:28:37):
only lived that house for like they left you. I
made it on time. One minute I came sprinting in Chattio.
Goes bro, you could have just told me. I would
have fucking told you. We're good like sweating bullets. I
think I already had a Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (02:28:57):
Could you just ride your bike?

Speaker 2 (02:28:59):
Well know the you can't because it was so it's
we used to stay like in share Walpole.

Speaker 3 (02:29:06):
Or Sheraton four points. Oh, okay, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (02:29:10):
It wasn't.

Speaker 5 (02:29:11):
Yeah, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (02:29:12):
Okay, hotel, Okay, I got. I mean I went through it. Well.

Speaker 5 (02:29:15):
Shout out to your and your neighbor knew who you
were and you were able.

Speaker 1 (02:29:18):
To be like I don't know, Yeah they did, Yeah,
they did. Shout out them, shout out them. What's the biggest.

Speaker 5 (02:29:28):
Improvement you saw someone like maybe a rookie or an undrafted.

Speaker 2 (02:29:32):
On The biggest improvements I ever saw was was James
White really and it was it was not just from
training camp, but it was from like his first year
to his second year. Like we he didn't I think
he was on IR or something. They didn't play much
his rookie year. I think we won a super Bowl.
What year was his rookie year?

Speaker 5 (02:29:51):
He was drafted in two thousand and fourteen. He's a
fourth front pick out of Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (02:29:59):
Yeah, but he did. He was on that team.

Speaker 5 (02:30:02):
So he has three super Bowls. But I don't know
how much he played his rookie year. He played three games, yeah, yeah,
and then he went on IR. Yeah and then no,
he didn't play any games.

Speaker 3 (02:30:12):
Yeah, he didn't play any game.

Speaker 2 (02:30:13):
Yeah, and so when I remember, I remember watching him
come back from year two, he looked like a different
football player.

Speaker 3 (02:30:21):
Like because he was in that program.

Speaker 2 (02:30:23):
They when when you're not playing, say you're on practice
squad or or you're hurt, Like they have a whole
different life. They live with like the weight staff those guys,
and they're like breaking these guys and training these guys
like college style training where they have to wake up early,
get their workout, the run before they have to do

(02:30:45):
all the like the football stuff with the team. Like
they work the fuck out of those guys. And a
lot of those guys that don't bitch and complain about
it and that take advantage of it a lah James.

Speaker 3 (02:30:56):
White, yeah go on to be a lot better because
of it.

Speaker 2 (02:30:59):
And he is the prime example of that, someone who
you know didn't fucking bitch your moan when he was
a fourth round draft pick and didn't like really play
his rookie year was going on to a team that
went on to win a Super Bowl with Shane Veren
who caught thirteen passes or whatever. Yeah, you know, we'd
let Kim go because James, you know, and then you know,

(02:31:20):
James did what he did. But like seeing him develop
and progress was like, man, he worked his fucking balls off.

Speaker 5 (02:31:28):
No, no, what are some like fun moments from training
him things? Maybe coaches did this fun? I know you
guys would go see movies.

Speaker 1 (02:31:35):
We go see movie. They'd break it up. We do
like a team movie. I gotta see what movies we did.

Speaker 2 (02:31:41):
Uh? Loan Survivor did Loan Survivor and Wahlberg came and
talked to the whole team and they they rent out
a theater and get all the snacks and stuff for
the boys unlimited, which is it's so fun when you
have that like surprise.

Speaker 3 (02:31:56):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:31:58):
Now it's like every four days you have a day off. Yeah,
in training camp, that would be after like nine days
of grinding, maybe eleven. You'd make a alignment, try to
catch a punt when anytime you got to miss a
meeting or like there was a team thing where we
all had to come together to like get out of meetings.

Speaker 3 (02:32:16):
That was the best thing in fucking in football.

Speaker 2 (02:32:18):
Rookie skits you need, like I with the older you get,
the more you need the rookie skits because it becomes repetitive.
I've heard verbatims these same meetings. Yes for you know nine, ten, eleven, twelve.

Speaker 1 (02:32:33):
No firearms, got it? Thank you? Yeah, or you know you're.

Speaker 2 (02:32:37):
Literally repeating what coach says before he says it, you know. So,
like the rookie skits are always just a great breakup.
And then you get to also learn your teammates, which
who's funny of these guys who thinks they're a little
too full of themself, of these guys who's like got
no heart when it comes like you learn a lot

(02:32:58):
through these rookie skits. You know, who's just a straight
killer that like wants nothing to associate with this but
plays so good that'll be like, okay, fuck it, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (02:33:08):
Yeah, I put someself out there to be a part
of the team even though they don't like it.

Speaker 1 (02:33:11):
Yeah, it's those are those are the fun things.

Speaker 3 (02:33:14):
The movie was great.

Speaker 2 (02:33:17):
We did a paintball thing once, was that OTAs or regardless,
We did a paintball thing. We're winning as a team
in paintball, which was fun.

Speaker 4 (02:33:25):
Fun.

Speaker 1 (02:33:27):
We used to go to like the bowling alley up
the Patriot Place a bunch yeah uh.

Speaker 2 (02:33:33):
Yeah, and anytime, like we'd have our family, we'd have
like family days were like you got off meetings early
and they'd barbecue and they bring in all the floaties
for the kids.

Speaker 3 (02:33:45):
I remember Lily at.

Speaker 2 (02:33:46):
A young age and getting to bring her and they'd
put them all on the in the stadium for the
kids and they're running around and I'm just sitting there like, man,
that's so that had to be so fun as you
know what i mean, like core memories for kids to
see that stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:34:00):
Yeah, those those are and then like you know, just
the best thing.

Speaker 2 (02:34:06):
You know, like when when you're you're those those days
when when you're older, when practice finished, it was like
the best, but it changed on why throughout your career.
You know, it was the best because you're shot, you're tired,
like they used to work you, and it was hot,
you know what i mean, And it was full go

(02:34:27):
full pad. And then you know, when you're younger, it's
just like to go out and get like the line
faster for food or you know, like get a sleep bed.
You know, by the time you're older, you get to
see your little kid come run on the field and
you know, you get to go engage with the fans
and go engage with a lot of the Patriots Foundation

(02:34:49):
organizational people, which you know, it seems after a long
ass day of work, it's you know, it's a lot,
but it was always gives you a perspective afterwards, so
you know, and it also gives you the memories I
remember being that kid going to the training camp for

(02:35:11):
the Niners or the softball games for the Niners, and
you know what I mean, like those that's the fun
stuff getting there early.

Speaker 3 (02:35:19):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (02:35:21):
The process, the work, the process. Now, it fucking sucked
and it was a grind, I don't. I hated it,
like you hate it, but you love it and you
need it.

Speaker 1 (02:35:31):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:35:33):
It's kind of like when you're a parent and your
kid has a cough. You know that they don't like
the taste. I have to pin like my kid down
to take the cough medicine.

Speaker 1 (02:35:42):
She's like, I get it.

Speaker 2 (02:35:45):
But when the cough goes away and they hate it. Yeah,
they hate the taste, but the cough goes it becomes effective.
They're like, oh, yeah. It's kind of the same thing.
Like that hill and we have to run that fucking hill.

Speaker 5 (02:35:56):
How many times up and down the hill you think
you've run?

Speaker 1 (02:35:58):
I mean, a lot.

Speaker 3 (02:36:00):
Probably in the thousands, thousands, if you think about it,
we'd do.

Speaker 2 (02:36:03):
Like seven to six after practices an off season. You
can you can count that up, so that's six hundred
in one season. Ish you're saying.

Speaker 3 (02:36:16):
I don't know a lot.

Speaker 5 (02:36:18):
No, was there any sort of like this last question,
any sort of like ritualistic thing you guys would do
to signify the end of training camp? Like when I play,
we did doubles. When doubles were over, we go eat
our faces with china but face shut up, my crag football.
They're dead now. But like we just like eating china
bu fet was like the end of camp and now
we're going. It's like anything you guys would do, like
ritualistically that would be like, okay, camp's over, now we're

(02:36:40):
fucking there.

Speaker 2 (02:36:41):
Used to be the craft party, okay in the Cape
in the Cape, Yeah, but it it was always a
little tricky because sometimes there'd be a guy. There'd be
a guy and that didn't make There'd be a guy
that would go to the party and that got cut.

Speaker 5 (02:36:55):
Because it's like a more of like a like would
be like a ring thing too or No, it's more of.

Speaker 2 (02:36:59):
Like the the final team Okay, goes to not the
final team, but like it's like the start to the
season when in theory you're supposed to have your final
team in the books. But we always had like moving parts,
guys get cut, bring guy in. Yeah, so like that
was always like you could tell who thought they were

(02:37:20):
comfortable and making the team is who would show up
to that party. But there were a couple of times
where there'd be some guys getting knocked at the party.
I think, yeah, but that was kind of like the
last because your family is again we're there.

Speaker 5 (02:37:35):
Yea is training I keep saying last one, but actually
last one. How is training camp different the year after
a Super Bowl versus just a regular training camp.

Speaker 2 (02:37:46):
Yeah, there's a difference because anyone who's new on the
team thinks that they're a part of it, okay, and
I don't realize how hard it is to get there.
And then there's a learning curve for that. And then
there's also you know, there's different situations for each year.
You know, sometimes guys are banged up going into it.
Guys get emotions. I was emotion you get emotionally drained.

(02:38:06):
Sometimes after a long period of success, like the training camps,
like what clears the cobwebs and Bill did a great
job of that, and the coaching staff did a great
job of that of always keeping us. You know, some
would say a little too good of a job at
that of keeping us level minded.

Speaker 5 (02:38:24):
Yeah, okay, cool, that's good fans. If you have any
more follow up, I know training camp is a huge subject.
So if you have any more questions you want to
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training camp conversations while camp's happening. So anything you want
more answers on, shoot them in the comments, We'll do it.
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