Scoreless in Seattle with Rich Ohrnberger | Week 14, 2012: Cardinals vs. Seahawks - Games with Names

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Like I'm telling people from back home. Like Randy Moss
gave me a nickname. He really likes me.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
He was so funny. Had a nickname.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
Yeah. Like immediately I was like, this is the best.
You'll be like, hey, what's up? Coach? He called me coach.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
So Randy would call me coach everywhere, you know, we'd
be waiting and like he's like, oh yeah, coach. Yeah,
I know you're gonna get on this pot Roads because
you look like.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Pot Roads coach, and you big fat. I bet you Oh,
you're gonna have two pieces of pot Roads. Yeah, I
bet you bet. You know what hap three hop three?
You know. You know Randy with the West Virginia.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
And then Bill Belichick at one point or another in
the offseason, he has all the rookie is get in
front of the room and say their name, who they are,
whatever it was, And so I get up there.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Randy Moss pulls me aside and he goes, mother, you
a player. He goes, you, you've been a player this
whole time. I think he was the whole time, you
gray hair, I thought you was a coach. He was like,
you a player? Oh hell, now, Bill, did we waste
a draft pick on this mother, are you kidding me?
This grey? He was I was gonna go out there

(01:00):
and break a hip god Bill, And I'm just like, oh,
oh my god, that was not a nickname. It was
not a nickname. He thought it was a He thought
he was a coach. How unbelievably embarrassing. I mean I
told everybody. I was like, yeah, Randy really likes me.
It's going pretty well.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Gang, Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're
Jack and Kyler, and we're on the search to find
the worst game of all time.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
I think we might have found it.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Whoa spoiler? And on today's episode, we are covering Cardinals
or Seahawks Week fourteen of the twenty twelve season with
veteran NFL center and one of the funniest guys I
ever played with, Rich Ornberger, and we get into talking
his funniest locker room stories.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Nobody knew where the ducks were coming out, by the way, now,
he would like be putting in his homelo.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
He was like another doc Matt light pranks the Scarnet.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
It was losing his fucking mind that year, and it
was all Matt Lfe. It was all his fault Joe
pop stories.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
You never got to start around here and why no,
why because you're loose candish.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
And then we wrap it up by doing some NFL
comedy casting in theme of Rich being a funny guy.
You gotta stick around to the very end. Let's go.
Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio. December ninth,
twenty twelve. Looming Field, Seattle, Washington.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Riding an eight game losing streak, Arizona Cardinals look to
turn it all around in the Emerald City and.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
The Seahawks win fifty eight to zero. This is Freless Seattle,
Welcome to Games with Names. On today's episode, we are

(03:08):
looking at a week fourteen match between the Cardinals and
Seahawks December ninth, twenty twelve, and we're going to talk
this game with one of my favorite teammates, my funniest
teammate I ever had, Rich Ornberger. Now Rich in one sentence,
why did you pick this game?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
It kind of perfectly describes me. It's funny, and there's
historical context to this game. This game set a very
unfortunate record, or at very least makes the top five
in a category.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Okay, yeah, is this the greatest game of all time.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
It absolutely is not Julian. In fact, it could be
argued that it is right up there with one of
the worst games ever played by an NFL team ever ever,
and I was on that team.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I had to ask, scary guest, Now, what are you
up to these days? You're in San Diego? How's San
Diego culture? You're what are you in the radio? Tell
everyone what you're doing?

Speaker 3 (04:09):
All right?

Speaker 1 (04:09):
So I do a show called Big Rich TDM Fletch.
I'm the Big Rich part of it. And then my
co host Travis Dale is this entertaining a just fun broadcaster.
We've got Ben Fletcher who he's the Fletch part. He's
awesome too, super creative guys, and we have this awesome chemistry.

(04:31):
Oh and we've added Cat Fisher. She jumped into the
show recently and she's just the best.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Hang.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
So we're having a great time doing this morning show
on a classic rock station in San Diego. And that's
all over the iHeart Radio app. You know, so search
Big Rich, TD and Fletch if you want to listen
to that and laugh along. And then I also do
Fox Sports Radio on the weekend. I host national radio shows.
I have one called Countdown to Kickoff on Saturday mornings.

(05:00):
One called red Zone Radio on Sundays Sunday mornings into
the afternoon on the West Coast, we kind of kick
off with the NFL games and we we do it
just like red Zone on television, but on the radio. Yeah,
just on the radio.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
They call you red Zone Rache, they call me that,
you know what. Not yet, but this coming week they
will red Zone rage. Ickname, you just did it? Babba No.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Now, San Diego what a fucking perfect place to live
and get to be in the culture of sports, which
hurts me as a Californian. I used to love the
San Diego Chargers. You played for the San Diego Chargers.
How is San Diego right now as a sports town?

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Is it hurting? It's hurting. The Padres are good though,
Ye Padres are good. They've they've really kind.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Of saved the city from that standpoint. A lot of
people were heartbroken when the Chargers left for LA and
a lot of people still follow them. I think the
majority of their fan base actually is in San Diego still.
You know, you can see it at SOFI. You know,
road teams are still taking over that place. But it'll build,
you know, it's a generational thing. You got to be

(06:07):
in a city for a long time to build deep roots.
But yeah, San Diego was without football on the professional scale,
and it really felt like there were a lot of
lost sports fans until the Padres started cooking again.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
The Padres are but you also you're calling San Diego State.
San Diego State jumped up and taking a lot of
the viewership in that football world.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, so they've done a really nice job of filling
that void. And I'm super proud of the Aztecs and
I I lucked into that job.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
That's one of my favorite things I do.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
I just happened to start broadcasting as they needed a
color analyst and they're like, hey, do you want to
do this with us? And I said, yeah, I do,
you know, and so I've been doing it for eight
years and I can do it.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Snapdragon Stadium is down the road from my house. Prior
to that, I was still calling games for the Aztecs
at the q Qualcomm Stadium, the place where I used
to play with the Chargers. I was calling games for
San Diego State. And there's a lot of excitement about
the new head coach Hire. But like you know, college
football has changed a tremendous amount. We're living in this
nil world. It is bonkers.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
What about fucking Bill going North Carolina.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Oh my god, we haven't talked about that yet.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
That is it is. And he's bringing Lombardy to be
his GM.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Like it it.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
He's gonna handle it like pro which is probably how
it's gonna go in these next five six years. Yeah,
it's fucking nuts that but if you think about it,
if you think about it, I think he's gonna do
all right. I think he's gonna do well because you
look at like he have his player, he have his
free agency department, right, yeah, oh yeah, that's gonna be
looking at other teams recruits. You're gonna have your rookie department.

(07:45):
That's gonna be looking at high school kids, which you're
gonna be able to pool more. And there's no draft.
And he's always been good at getting people for his
system on how he wants to win.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
So I think he's gonna do pretty well.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Now we're we're gonna have to see how the EQ
does with the fucking seventeen year old gen Z kid.
But yeah, you know, like I think they're gonna know
what they're getting into. If you're signing with North Carolina
going Bill Belichick school, it's just gonna.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Be so funny when he's trying to like capture the
nil world, you know, and like Michael Jordan and Bill
Belichick are collabing for Air Belichick's I'll be I'll literally
camp out in front of a fucking store Belichicks.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I want some Air Belichick.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
There's no question about it. I mean I I didn't.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Even think about that. Really.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Oh no, He's gonna have to do it. They all
have to. You have to be a salesman first. At
the collegiate level. To fill out a roster, you gotta
sell people or these players on why come to you
and see why? Why be a tar Hill? What? You know?
Why go through all this for you versus coach b
for this program for this money versus this program for

(08:51):
that money. Like he's gonna have his hands full. But
I do agree with you.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
I think if there's anybody who can make the transition
and have success going from the pros to the the
college level, I think it's him.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
But it's not even going to the college level. This
is pro football now.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, that's really a good point.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
He went from four million dollars in nil to they
they're raising it to twenty million, which is what Ohio
State's spending. So you mean to tell me if you
is this is about money? Now? You got kids, You
got an insane offense and defensive lineman's going to no
name schools because they're getting the biggest check. You don't
think Bill can get those guys when you just scrape
a check to them. Yeah, well it's gonna be It's
gonna be interesting. I'll tell you right now. College football

(09:30):
it's it's fun.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
It is fun.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
It's fun. Right now.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
We may have missed our window, buddy. I mean because
when you think about it, you probably would have left.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
I would have left. I would have went to Oregon.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
You would have gone to Oregon in back ten. You
would have left college a millionaire. I mean as an
offensive lineman. I may have left Penn State a millionaire. Yeah,
because they're making These players are making and will make
over to say the next half decade if they let
the wild West continue. That is this name may mentioned likeness. Mind,
I mean, guys are gonna be making serious money.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
That see that nugger, right, there in analyst talk the
nil and then he dropped nam manages and like listen,
then he kept his point. That's a pro. It's a
pro talker's fucking guy's are pro.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
We're gonna we're gonna hold it. We're gonna hold a
little class after this. But in the meantime, I don't want.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
You to state Kent State.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
No stop state. They're both state educations.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
And to be perfectly honest with you, I guarantee you
went to more classes.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Maybe not, you know what, honestly, maybe not. I retract
my former state.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
No wait, Litten, we gotta jump back in. We talked
about Qualcolm a little bit. We gotta get that was
such a fun stadium. Remember when we went out there
and played there a couple of times. I think we
played there once together in ten Devin mccorty's rookie year. Yeah,
he went out there I think on a Friday, two
days before. But I remember that stadium being an old
piece of ship. Yes, but it still had a fuck

(10:54):
it like, it had that charm. It was tucked up
in that hill, like how was it going to Qualcomb.
There's a lot of history at that place. There is
a lot of history stick cantick, Yeah a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's a great call. It was, and it was probably
built around the same time. Yeah, Qualcomm was a fun
place to play because Chargers fans were some of the

(11:18):
most avid fans. And I remember I signed as a
free agent in twenty thirteen to be a backup offensive lineman,
you know, and and the thought process was, Hey, you
know Nick Hardwick, he's he's he's playing at a Pro
Bowl level now, but he's getting long in the tooth.
You know, we're gonna have to start thinking about who's
going to be replacing him at some point. And the

(11:39):
funny thing is, uh, we ended up retiring at the
same exact time. That did not work out.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
But yeah, but but going back to when when when
I signed with them and I was walking around, uh
San Diego, I mean it was wild, like the fans
without a helmet on, without a jersey on, would know me,
I name, I would get stopped in grocery stores, like
there is an avid San Diego.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Fan base that I fell in love with.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
And part of the reason why I still live there
is because I love that sports environment coupled with weather,
coupled with the million things, million reasons to live in
southern California.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
But that place got rocking, like when when we were rocking.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
When we were good, when you know, when the Chargers
were when we were playing well. I mean, it was
a hard place to play and it was a fun environment.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
What are the differences, because you've had three stops, New England, Arizona,
San Diego, what are in a nutshell, what are the
differences of each?

Speaker 3 (12:37):
So I would say.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
New England was the most organized, the place where I
did the most learning.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Arizona was the best quality of life because Ken wizen
Hunt really understood that players are people and you weren't
treated like like, you know, just hey, you know, like
a bakery line just put an yeah, like almost yeah,
like cattle hurt.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Him up, boys hurt him up. Yep uh.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
And then San Diego it was Mike McCoy's rookie year
as a head coach, and I just remember feeling like
it was the first time I felt like a leader
in a room where I was doing a lot of teaching,
like because we had a new staff. It was right
after the Turner years and there were a lot of

(13:26):
young guys who needed to learn quickly because they were
going to be getting playing time and sort of behind
the scenes.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
I remember feeling like.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Oh yeah, like this is what the vets ahead of
me were helping me with when I was a rookie
in New England, and so that was the difference there
is I kind of felt like I was really needed
to like help behind the scenes in San Diego with
the Chargers back then.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, I mean, that's got to be crazy. New staff.
That's crazy that I've never even felt that, or I
only had one head coach.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
That's nuts. Well, let me ask you a question. So
you playing one place for that long twelve seasons with
the New England Patriots, what is it like as you're
seeing the different revolutions of talent and evolutions of game
planning and all that happened as the years tick on.
You know, you're at year four, year five, year six,

(14:20):
all of a sudden, you're at year nine and it's
like the roster is completely different except for you and
Brady basically Gronk.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Slate, slas Dog. There's a few guys that were there
the whole Cardonia long snapper. It's crazy. I think I
had one hundred and seventy guys, I played with one
hundred and seventy or one hundred and eighty different receivers
or something along those that line. And it's tough because
in that place, as you know, it's such a turn

(14:52):
the page mentality, whether good or bad, so you don't
get caught up and you don't really get to enjoy
or explore a lot of different friendships that you had
from core guys that you had because you were the
standard got higher and higher every year because you kept winning.
So every offseason was more stressful because whether you accomplished

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your goal or you were one game from not accomplishing
your goal, which we were there fucking five times. Yeah,
Like it was exhausting and you had to turn the
page and had to like somehow self scout and like reinvolve,
re evolve yourself. Every year. It was nuts. And so
like each year was different because you wouldn't know what

(15:37):
that team was until about week six, week five, because
you still had new players a couple new coaches every year,
which is the case with every NFL football team, and
it takes time for that to gel together. So you know,
it's tough. You get in them. There's like three parts

(15:57):
of my career. There's a part of my career where
with you yeah, you know early in my career where
I was a teamer and then there was a you know,
the stage where you know you're in your prime, and
then then there's that tail part of your career where
you know it was kind of on the downfall of
the empire. Yeah, which you know it was. It was
nuts an emotional roller coaster.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
But what were the like the end times like over there?
Because I know it sounds apocalyptic.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Everybody got rich, everybody won rings, Everything's fine. You know,
I'm sure there may be some hard feelings somewhere around
the block, But like, what was it like when because
we hit it in the heyday, we were drafted in
two thousand and nine. Some of those teams, even the
super Bowl team that lost in twenty eleven, you could
argue twenty ten, twenty eleven, those are some of the

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fiercest teams they've ever fielded during the Brady Belichick era.
But you you kind of saw through that middle part
of this dynasty and then opulence and the topple of
power and all this thing, Like, what was that like
going through that part of it.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
You got to a point where you always heard rumors
of things that were gonna happen, and you know, we'd
always have our team State of the Unions in the
locker room. When you're with Slate, you're buddied up in
the locker and you're like, Yo, what the fuck's going on?
They're gonna start chopping heads. You start owing to, you
know what I mean. We did that. I remember we
started ohing too, and we ended up winning the Super Bowl.

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But that year we were having Stay of the Unions like,
oh shit, they're gonna start changing.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Shit.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, it's like our eighth year, ninth year there. So
it's at that point, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
But like.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
You never really it was always just day to day work,
you know, And I at least that's how I kept it.
And I had to. I had to, you know, do
things to keep my mind in a motivation mode at
all times, because I you know, when you start from
the bottom as a teamer and then you're on your second,

(17:58):
third end, you know, you get a super Bowl, you
have to each year, you know, you got to remind yourself.
And there's always like that chip that I always had,
so I didn't get caught up in that and you'd
hear stuff like when Brady left, I was like, oh, fuck,
you know, I didn't, it didn't. It didn't hit me
until it happened, you know what I mean. And so
then after that you get into the mode like, well, fuck,

(18:19):
these are the guys we're in the hut, were playing with,
and you gotta go do it, you know what I mean.
It's just if you're almost a mercenary your whole career
after each year, No, it makes perfect sense.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
I remember that feeling, that feeling you just described of
having your head down, working your ass off, blocking out
all the noise, and just concentrating. Really it seems so
selfish looking back on it in some ways, but like
concentrating on.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Just you, Oh, it's very selfish. And you know, in
my personal life it's been you know that. That's that's
a huge reason why I haven't had that side of
my life because nothing came before or football.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
You're talking about like marriage, relationship, relationship, you know, family member.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
My family understood. Yeah, yeah, your family understands. But when
you try to bring you know, everything, like you said
at the beginning, is time management, and I had time
slotted out for being one reason being great, trying to
be great, one reason to go perform on fucking Sunday
for three hours. That's what everything predicated around.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
It's crazy. It's such a pursuit.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
And I think everybody thinks about football players from the
standpoint of like the weight room and the you know,
like the things that are caught on camera. But the
things that I remember being the hardest is like like
willing your body to do things it doesn't want to do,
like constantly, like begging your knees, just God, we just

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got to get through this sprint workout and then I
promise all ice y, you know what I mean, like
or get through this practice or get me to Sunday
or whatever. It is, like it's the in between, like
like you were talking about earlier. I don't think we
were on the on the podcast yet, but you were saying,
how like even now, like you you have to kind
of do a lot of upkeep to get your body,

(20:10):
keep your body going. I remember toward the end of
my playing career, that's what it The most frustrating part
was like like doing all that stuff and and getting
less output, but then just mentally feeling like I'm like
spinning my wheels here, like nothing's really working anymore the
way I wanted to.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
That's the psychological battle of an Asian athlete, you know,
and everyone has felt that. It just happens different times
for each guy.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Explain Tom Brady, I mean, explain how he did it
for as long as he did.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I don't think it's a it's a product of the
perfect storm. It's a his health and wellness lifestyle. That's real.
That sh it's real. Like the guy, you know, he
wouldn't put anything in his body that he didn't think
that was fucking great. Whatever Alex said he did that,
Alex said he'd a turd. This will make you fucking

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heal faster.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
I'm gonna be honest with you.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
When I was in New England, if Alex Barrow asked
me to to turn, I would have done.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
It, you know what I mean, Like I would have too.
I mean, if one's good, choose better, right, Yeah, I
mean I would. I did select this shit. I do
with that. But then also I think a lot of
has to do with the rule changes as well. Yeah,
you know, he he's the first quarterback that went from
the medieval time football to what it is now that's

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true where the quarterback is so protected. So these guys
and he and his his build has always been in
the pocket, so he hasn't had to be you know,
rad explosive to get outside the pocket or or this.
He could work everything he had to work until he
was forty five. And that's a testament to his hard
work and his lifestyle. But it's also a testament to

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you know, you watch some of these quarterbacks that got
hit back in the day or even earlier in his
career when his helmet got tooken off the g Yeah,
these guys are getting hit. And then we look at
Trevor Lawrence who goes down and doesn't think he should
even be touched. Like this is a National football league.
These are fucking animals, dude. Yeah, you got to protect
yourself at all goddamn time. It doesn't matter if it's
a free player. You can't get hit, you know what

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I mean. So, like I think it's the perfect storm.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
It really is. Is probably accurate, Like there's always an
intersection of.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
And he's just great. Touch by God, yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Touch by God, right, So there's some of that luck
factor whatever it is. I mean, met with the most
I've ever seen anybody work on his body, on his diet, nutrition, health,
physical fitness, body work. He hired us, you know, a
guy to literally keep an eye on it so he
didn't have to. It was like, I mean, every single

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aspect of his life was encompassing or was circled around
being the best he could possibly be today. And that
level of sacrifice, it's so rare and so unique.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
And it's also it's he's got like he's got an
extraordinary ability to compartmentalize that is extraordinary, you know what
I mean, Like it didn't matter what was going on
in his life. Yep, Tom Brady was the same guy
every day at work. Yeah, the like almost the nerd

(23:16):
guy that was in there at first with his book,
taking notes, hand.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Up, fucking heroically unflappable.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
And it didn't matter if it was on the field,
it didn't matter if it was in the film room,
it didn't matter. Like what was going on the outside
you had, you would have no idea. I mean, like
you said, he could get leveled. He could throw an
interception on the pass drive. The next time he goes
on the field, it's dimes all the way down for
a tuddy and we're back on top of the scoreboard

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and you're like, how, but that's that's the perfect way
to describe it.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
But it's not even just those things. It was the
things outside of football, like his he had family problems.
His mom was like, he was a fucking like you
wouldn't know is once. That's how that's that, that's a
fucking that's a talent to like, really, he's got like
this goal setting talent. If he wants that fucking goal
doesn't like he can focus on it. Yes, it's like

(24:11):
some you know, psychological murder shit.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
No, it really like it's almost sociopathic. But that's what
That's how I was looking for rich things.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
But but I, but I, but I loved it so
much because there was all that, like the cold blooded
killer side and and that's the Sunday's time and the
you know, the practice time. But then he's a guy
whould take his tray over to some knucklehead, you know,
Dick Burger out of Penn State who just got drafted

(24:40):
in the fourth round and know my bio, like would
sit down with his cottage sheese and blueberries or whatever
the fuck he hits, or out avocado smoothies. And be like,
you know, telling asking me about my parents and like
and you grew up in New York, right, I'd be like,
how the ship do you know that dude? Like yeah,
I do, and and like we would go, like you
developed a rapport really quick with this teammates. So it

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wasn't just the football stuff, like he understood. It was
everything that was important to having a whole team, to
having a whole picture.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
And I loved it so much.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
It was it was like having like you know, an
uncle or a big brother who was guiding the process
and taking a lot of the thought out of it
for you.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
It was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
But like your uncle. He was the guy that like
started like Facebook and like he was like the cool uncle,
but hella rich.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, like you know what I mean. But he never
knew he was.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
He was kind of a door Mark Zuckerberg's Tom Brady's
Mark Zuckerberg basically, now talking about the culture that we had,
now we talk about how strenuous it was, but it
was guys like you, jokesters, storytellers that made that whole
thing possible, which we had a great chemistry of that

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stuff in between in the building. Who are some of
like the funniest guys that you play with because you
were clear, like I talk about you all time as
being one of the funniest fucking guys. And we'll get
into it, like your storytelling your Joe Paw accent, is.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
That, Oh he fucking hated me. Oh my gosh remember
his voice? Let me here?

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Oh no, yeah, I mean so, I okay, bunniest Larry Verus.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
I won't jump into Joe Bobs Joe Joe.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
One time, I got into a fight with a defensive
tackle out of like the Maryland, Baltimore, Virginia area, and
this big dude, Phil, Big Phil, and I took his
helmet off. I'm swinging out of my throat. It's a practice, right,
and he's pissed.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
He's like, hey on, Bega, you gotta get off the field.
You're rennimal. It's not even worth it with you. I'm
gonna set you off the next thing, smoking back to
Nasau Community College and like I'm just like, I'm like,
I'm mad.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
So I'm giving him the finger from across the field
like double birds to Joe Paterno. As I'm leaving the field,
my offensive line coach grabs my arm as I'm walking
out of our indoor facility. He was like, You've just
made a big mistake, Richard. And I walked to the
locker room. You know, he tossed me off the fields
on walking the locker room, take a shower, hop on

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the bench, and he comes walking.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
So Joe.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Later on, he's got his khaki pants on, his ankles exposed.
I don't think anybody taught him how to wear pants.
And he's walking through the locker room and he goes,
he stops in my locker and he just looks at me.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
He goes, you New York is Yer all the same?
And I fucking.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Can't stand it.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
And he just kept on and he rarely cursed. So
I was like Jesus, funny thing is he's from New.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
York, He's from Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
I'm like, Joe, Yeah, But I think there was a
part of him, and there was a part of Bill Belichick.
There's part of all my coaches who appreciated the fact
that I was.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
I was a little nuts, a little.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Out of my mind. And I think you have to
be to play the sport. You have to enjoy pain
to a certain level. You have to enjoy contact. There's
no doubt about that. I loved it. It's the reason
why I found football. It's like football and me we
found each other because I was this rambunctious kid who
I guess you would call a kid like us now,

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like sensory seekers, like you just want to crash into
everything and just you know, you want to be in
the middle of it, right, And so I was a physical.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Guy, a tough guy, mean guy on.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
The field, but I was coachable and I could take
a lot of shit. So if you needed a guy
who you needed to make an example out of, I
mean Paterno did that my entire time at Penn State.
I don't think I started a single spring game. I
think he just buried me on the depth drive and
be like, you're not gonna start around here. And then
I ended up starting forty games or whatever. I was
thirty six games at Pet's say.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
You never gonna start around here, and why do why
because you're lose cannon, you know, like you are a
pain to my ass. Whatever it was.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
But he I think he liked it because if I
skip class and he could make an example out of me,
it would put the fear of God into the underclassmen
coming in and uh and yeah, So, I mean it's funny.
At the time, it felt dicey. At the time. I
felt like I was gonna get thrown out all my
year and be back working at the Meadow Dairy and
East Meadow, New York cutting cold cuts. Were getting somebody

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a hat pound of Blownian saying, yeah, one time I
was drafted by the Patriots, you want a heavy hat pound,
you know, just extinguished a cigarette like but yeah, all.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Worried out Happy Valley. That hadn't have been a cool experience.
It was incredible.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, It's like many of the moments in your football
career where you don't even realize like how cool it
is until you're on the outside looking in. Yeah, like
the whole town shots sound for football, it's it's classic
big ten country State college is a middle nowhere town.
It's cows and football players and you know, a couple

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of people going to the campus to watch football games
and that's about it.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
And so it was nuts.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
You would have the RVs all out on the grass
fields outside the stadium, Beaver Stadium, leading up to kickoff.
And you know, while I was there, it was a
good pocket to be at Penn State because we we
were a recruiting class that kind of kicked off, you know,
getting back to winning. There like it it was going

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down this direction, the needle was pointing down, and there
were some rumblings about, hey, you know, Joe's lost it.
You know, maybe it's time to move on from JOEPA,
and we kind of took off. Two thousand and five,
we go to the Orange Bowl. We have an awesome season.
We pump out like some awesome NFL talent. We beat

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Bowden's team in the Orange Bowl that year. That was crazy.
And then it just we continued winning and you know,
I ended up finishing my career. Two thousand and eight season,
we were a one lost Penn State team. We played
against USC and the Rose Bowl and yeah, yeah we lost.
So Mark Sanchez, he fucking carved us up. Mark Sanchez.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
We might have gotten him the whatever he was the
six overall draft pick, because we sat and covered three
and he just, I mean crushed us. We could do
nothing to stop him. And then offensively, we just we
weren't scoring well enough. I mean they were they were
such a talented defense. They were fast. I think Clay
Matthews was out there. Ma Luga.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Oh yeah, those they were they were That was that
was when USC was still USC. That was like Pete
Carroll time over there just after right, didn' he leave?
Just left?

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Might have been his final season? Yeah, it might have
been his final season. But yeah they were good.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
But yeah, what's the bus ride after losing it to
the USC on the way home? What's Joe Pod doing?
I mean, dude, I I I barely remember post game
of the Rose Bowl.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Ye Rose Bulls a great it's the grand Dad. But
I do remember this.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
I remember being on field level in Pasadena and thinking like, oh,
that's why the grass looks so green because they painted.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
After we finished that game.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
I was covered in green paint because you know, I'm squirrely.
I'm get out there trying to cut down linebackers and shit,
and I'm codd. I mean, but yeah, it's a it's
a scene set right out of Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
It was. It was cool.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
But after the game, I know how I felt. I'm
sure a lot of guys feel this way when you're
you finish your final game. I was ready. I was
just ready. I wanted to get out of there. I
wanted to see what was next. I had no idea
if I was going to be drafted or if I
was even going to catch on at the next level.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
So draft day was a huge surprise. Yeah it was.
I was. I was very ready to be done at
the college level.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
Before we move on from the Rose Bowl. I heard
a story that before the game, you went to the improv.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
We went to the Hollywood improv.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you didn't stand up.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Yeah I got on.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
So Bud Friedman, who's like the father of stand up comedy,
we had to present him a team ball assigned it,
and there was always like he's a father of stand
up comedy. I'm like, what Jesus christaid in Tony jokes,
like like.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
I mean, what are we doing with this?

Speaker 1 (33:15):
This guy on this I'm like, look at this geezer
back here, like and I'm saying all these awful things
and he's laughing.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
So I'm like, oh, thank god, that went well.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
So I got off the stage quick and let the
comics who came on after do the real work and
they were awesome.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
We actually, you know who was on stage was Pablo Francisco.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
He's funny.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
He was funny. He was doing all the voice guys. Yeah,
I remember watching him. He was big when we were yeah,
just coming out, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, yeah, I loved he had that one bit about
the stripper and the duck. Oh you like ducks. I
like ducks. We'll be right back after this quick break.
So Penn States, they're hosting a game that's gonna be
fucking wild.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
It's gonna be crazy.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Was they playing crazy?

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Is it SMU? I think yeah, Southern Methodist.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Oh it's gonna be a little chilly there too, probably. Huh.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
It'll be cold.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah it's old, it's cold and happy valley this time
of year. Yeah, I'm curious how that goes. I mean,
they they they call James Franklin, uh, small game James,
And I hate it because, like, I think he's a
great guy.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
He he was great to me and my family when
I came out there for a spring game.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
I think he's a great recruiter.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
He had a tough situation after everything that happened at
Penn State. It was years later because our boy Billy
Oh was the head coach there for for the first stint,
and then when Franklin got there, I mean he completely
changed the culture and and you know, keeping up with
the times and all that stuff. So I'm hoping they
have success. They get this playoff win under their belt,
and they they continue on.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
We could win a chip this year. I mean, it's
a real thing.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
It is when this episode airs, they have already won
a championship.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
There, it is there, it is okay, So Penn State won. Yeah,
Oh my.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
God, I like this one for Paterno peach ice cream.
This one's for Sandusky.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Also, let's also pretend if they lose, like yeah, I mean, ye,
ran Out, I guess.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
It's is it not Key pill over there as head coach?

Speaker 3 (35:12):
What was his name again? What did they call Franklin?
I mean, I guess they were right.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
No, I I hope they beat the brakes off of
Uh it's a white out white out.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah, it's gonna be fucking awesome. It's gonna be rid.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
So Ranchie, you get drafted New England. We both get
drafted in two thousand and nine, and you, being a
funny guy, get to enter a room with Matt Light
in it. Oh my god, Matt, and I also tell
I want to talk about Matt Light, and then I
also I tell the story because you know everything that's

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going on. Randy Moss, Our thoughts and prayers, are with him.
But I always tell the story that he used to
call you fucking coach the day you came in and
we had to we had to announce our names in
front of the whole team. Do you remember that? Yeah,
oh I remember. Can you tell me explain that?

Speaker 1 (36:04):
So I get drafted by the Patriots, It's two thousand
and nine, Randy's coming off like this unbelievable tires. Yeah,
he's been crushing it, and you know, it's it's a
little bit before the veterans start coming around the building.
But when we have OTAs, we have the mini camps

(36:24):
and things like that, you know, Randy's in the locker
room and I remember it. It came in waves, and
I'm sure you felt the same way. It's like, oh
my god, that's Tom Brady. Yeah, it's like, oh my god,
that's Randy Moss. Like you're playing with these guys now.
But slowly but surely, it starts to feel more normal.
You know, you start to realize, ah, these are just
my buddies. We're playing football. It's all the same as
it was in college or high school. But there was

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this weird thing. He gave me this nickname, and it
happened immediately. I have no idea why, because we barely
spoke to each other outside of passing by each other
in the hallway or outside the meeting rooms are on
the football field, you know, on our way to the
football field, he'd be like, hey, what's up, coach?

Speaker 3 (37:03):
He called me coach.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
So Randy would call me coach everywhere, you know, we'd
be waiting and like he's like, oh, yeah, coach. Yeah,
I know you're gonna get on this pot Roads because
you look like Pot Roads coach, and you big fat fucker.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
I bet you Oh, you're gonna have two pieces of
pot Roads. Yeah, I bet you bet. You know what
hat three? Hat three? You know, you know Randy with
the West Virginia.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
And so I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm like maybe,
like maybe it's like I'm in man. Like he gave
me a nickname. Like I'm telling people from back home,
like Randy.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Moss gave me a nickname. He really likes me.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
That's what I'm telling you that. It was so cool.
They had a fucking nickname. He was so funny. He
had a nickname.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Like immediately I was like, this is the best. And
then we was its standard, it's customary. Bill Belichick at
one point or another in the offseason he has all
the rookies get in front of the room and say
their name, who they are, Dret whatever it was. And
so I get up there, and I can't remember if
it was in the meeting or immediately after, but Randy

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Moss pulls me aside and he goes, motherfucker, you a player.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
He goes, you, you've been a player this whole time.
I think he was from the whole tame you gray
haired bitch. I thought you was a coach. He was like,
you a player? Oh hell no, Bill, did we waste
a draft pick on this motherfucker? Are you kidding me?
This gret he was gonna go out there and break
a hip. God damn Bill. And I'm just like, oh

(38:24):
my god, that was not a nickname. It was not
a nickname. He thought it was a fucking coach. He
thought he was a coach. How unbelievably embarrassing. I mean
I told everybody. I was like, yeah, Randy really likes me.
It's going pretty well, gang, Yeah, yeah, dude.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Now, how does Dante Scarnakio have you and Matt Light
in a meeting? And how did just can you explain
the dynamic in a in a in a quiet logan
making Yeah, I want to hear how it was from
your rookie perspective.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
So I walked into the room and Matt light is
a Pro Bowl offensive tackle. I mean just he was
like Batman Like, you know, you'd be like, gosh, you know,
how are you gonna they gotta change this light bulb
and all of a sudden, you take something off the
bat belt. They'd be like, and he'd like, unscrew the
light bulb and he'd be like, you know what would
be funny? You know, would be funny if we replace

(39:20):
it with a firecracker this way when they walk in
and smoked the chet.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
You know, he always had like a prank you want
to play? I'm just like, Matt, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (39:27):
But he always had all these toys and these gadgets
and these things, and he always had ideas. He's a
big idea guy. The idea guy love being around people
like that. So Matt's in the room, you have logan Mankins,
who's this Central Valley California shit kicker farmer who is
just roughing dudes up on the regular. Literally could grab
like a three hundred pound defensive tackle, up end him,

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stick them in a trash can kick it over down
a hill like it's nothing to him. He had these
strongest goddamn hands, huge I've ever shake shaken in my
entire life. He was wrapped around your wrists.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah, you shake his hand, you're getting an album. Yeah,
it is ridiculous. So Logan's there. He's a pro bowler.
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
He'd better be in the Hall of Fame one day.
He's incredible. Steve Neil, Steve Neil, wrestler, wrestler.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
They found him. He was like a freestyle world champion wrestler.
And then I think it was Philly's practice. Philly signed
him first.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
He was on practice squad, got cut, signed by the
Patriots or whatever, but he ends up working his way
to starting offensive lineman in the league. Played ten years,
eleven years, whatever it was, won three Super Bowls, like
incredible human being, like the nicest guy you ever met.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Loved locos, loved him, dude.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
And did you ever go on a taco run with
the four Locos with Steve.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
A little place in Pawtucket?

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yeah, dude, I can't, dude, it was that place actually
served great taco, really good mobile home. So Steve was.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
There in that room. Oh, Dan Copen, Cope, Cope the best.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Dan Copen, never without a dip in his lip and
uh and was just so snarky and he had this
nasally voice and be like fucking Ornberger class clown over here,
who don't see if he makes it? Kind of guy.
But I love Dan. I learned a lot from Dan.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Like. Dan was the type of guy who would like
bully a bully a bullia and then he would teach
you like the lesson you needed.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
It would like unlock something in your brain. You'd be like,
holy shit, that's how you see this? You know whatever
it is a line call and adjustment on a play.
He was just a brilliant dude. And then I'm trying
to think if I remember Donald, Oh Donald, are you
around with Donald? Yeah, well we crossed Donald Thomas for
like only an off season because they put a lot.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Matt put a real duck in his fucking locker after practice.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Oh didn't he do this for like a year? Yes?
And he was He had ducks show up in different
parts of his life for a year. Yes.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
That and then another weird story was nobody knew pet duck.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Nobody knew where the ducks were coming out by the way. No,
like he would find him in his helmet. He would
like be putting his helmet.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
He was like another duck. Like it was a problem
for Donald, it was a problem.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
What's something that stands out with Matt Light that you remember?

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Matt Light?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Oh Man, Matt one time.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Uh he he put a a I don't even know
what to call it, a micro chip or he switched
out the mouse on Dante Scarnekia's computer.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
He told that story.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Oh he told it on the Okay, so I won't
repeat the story. Well, I'll give you the briefest version.
So basically, this this little mouse. It messes with the
cursor on the screen. So it'll work for about five minutes.
But at some point you can have it on a timer.
It's going to go away from where you're trying to
point to. So Dante for I'm not kidding the better
part of like ten weeks of a season, but that

(42:58):
the the IT guys in New England were complete idiots.
He was like, I mean they come in and they're
over here circle jerking around the computer and nothing's getting fixed.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Now.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
I can't fucking teach if I can't click on the
right I'm trying. And then they would walk in and
be like, Dante, what are you trying to click on?
I'm trying to click on cut up number two, you know,
and he's giving them the business. And then they try
it with the mouse. But Matt, when Dante would leave
to get the IT guys pull it out, he would
switch it back out and nobody would see him do it.
So then the IT guys would come in and be like, yeah, Dante,

(43:31):
like the mouse works, like everything's cool, And so Dante
thought he was going nuts or he thought they were
lying to him. It was like this.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
It went on so much longer than was fair. Like
Dante Scarnekia was losing his fucking mind that year, and
it was all Matt Light. It was all his fault.
It was incredible. I still don't know if Dante knows what.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Happened that year.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
I think he knows.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
It was incredible. Yeah, but then Dante was the ringleader.
He had to try to find a way to reign
in all of this, Like in I mean, to this
point in my life, I don't know if I saw
a more cohesive unit on any football field than the
New England Patriots offensive line when he was at the
head of the class. Because Dante, he just found a

(44:17):
way to connect with everybody. He was an amazing teacher.
He'd slow it down for some, he'd speed it up
for others. He spent the time after practice. There are
so many coaches, assistant coaches who are in a rush
to get off the field. He really spent the time
with us, and I benefited greatly because my whole life,
I feel like every single situation I've ever walked into,

(44:38):
I'm an unfinished product, like by leaps and bounds, like
a look around me. I'm like, why is everybody so
much better than me? And like I needed help and
Dante gave me help. I love that man. He taught
me hard lessons. He taught me the right lessons. He
was an incredible coach, incredible teacher too.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
I saw that when he was gone, you know, I
just I didn't realize it until he was gon on,
because I remember when he would he would yell at
these linemen. He would yell at you guys, oh my god,
and I want to get into your Welcome to the
NFL moment with Dante Scarnekio after this, But he would
yell at guys in front of the in the in
the offensive meeting, but he would yell, he would he

(45:17):
would call him a fat fuck or a fat piece
of shit. But then he would follow it up with
the technique that you had to do.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
So he go, you fat fuck, put your right foot,
drop it right here, you put your left hand right there.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Instead of a coach that's just yelling like, come on, guys,
we gotta do it better than that. Like he would
give you play for play what you needed to do
to get it right. And that's why I saw he
was such a fucking great.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Coach, one thousand person. I mean, it wasn't just like, hey,
you screwed it up, No, do better. It was like
this would be a Dante Lion. He'd be like, hey,
ass eyhes, what the fuck were we doing in the
meeting room the entire time before we took the goddamn
failed And you'd be like, I'm not sure. There was

(46:02):
so much and you would be like, we were working
on you know, whatever we called it there. You know,
if the mic backer is mugged up in the A
gap and he bails, you gotta pop if you're the
center and look out to the fucking right because Sam
screaming off that edge and you're like, okayl I'm sorry,
but like you're hearing all this and like meanwhile, internally,
you're doing all this stuff I was just doing, and

(46:22):
like on the outside, you're just like you got it, Dante, Yes, sir,
and don't call me sir, motherfucker. That just means fuck you,
and you're just like, okay, now, another thing to remember,
I can't call him sir.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
It was like it was intense. It was intense, but
it was it was incredible because you learned. You learned
really quick who was gonna survive and who wasn't. There
were guys who could handle the pressure, and that's all was.
It was just a pressure test.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
If you can't.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Handle a five foot six assistant coach who you know,
I mean, like he wouldn't be able to knock you
over if you tried shouting in your face a practice,
how the hell are you gonna be able to handle
the Cincinnati Bengals or the Seattle Seahawks or the Dallas Cowboys,
Like you better be able to handle this otherwise you're

(47:12):
not gonna do any of that.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, but if you're gonna handle Scar, you have to
kill Scar. This car would come. That motherfucker had spent
his forty five to an hour in that swim mix
every goddamn Marty, and he had the slowest heart rate
on the team. I used to compete with him for
like a five year span. He had such a slow
heart rate because he was in such great shape.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
He was already dead. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
As it turns out, we found out years later he
had died back in the early seventies and it was
just a vampire. That's but I know he's a great guy.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
I love. I have nothing bad to say, but what you're.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Welcome to the moment because I remember the first day
a rookie camp, I heard him scream something like.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
You fat fuck You're gonna be bouncing.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Around the league for seven years woman the back of
Walmart doing these things for five dollars because I get
fired for trying to make you riders.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
So dude, one hundred you, I mean, you must have
been doing wide receiver individuals right where we were doing
center quarterback exchange. So before practice, if you were gonna
play interior offensive line at all in New England. You're
taking snaps with Dante because, like we all know, there
are games where all of a sudden, you run out
of centers. You know, you you run out of tackles.

(48:25):
Sometimes the tight end has to shift over, like shit happens.
You only get whatever it is forty six active players
on a sideline, So you better be versatile. And so
he had all the interior offensive lineman taking center quarterback exchange.
He's got his hands under center. He takes snaps from us.
So tiny little Dante Scarnakia has his his tiny little
hands under my giant fat ass and he is shouting

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out cadences. And I snap a football and he swears
it was shallow, so he said you like, so I
it hits the ground.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
I feel it. It hits my ankle.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
So I turn around and I look at him and
I was like, where did it hit you? Like, I'm
like pointing to my hand trying to find out like
what depth. And before I could finish showing him on
my hand, ask him like so where he lunges at
me and he grabs my face mask with two hands.
He is now doing fucking chin ups on my face mask.

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And screaming the most profane rant I had ever heard
in my entire life, telling me that I'm going to
be offering sex services for work, telling me that I'm
no good, that I'm dumb as shit, that life is
going to be bad for me if I don't figure
out how to snap footballs to him, and I remember.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
He is day one, this is day one, This is
day one, day one in New England.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Day one. We just got drafted. Well, he kicks the
fucking football and I'm staring at it, like kind of
still in shock from the moment, and he goes, now, God,
don't just look at the football. Go fuck it, get
it and let's do this over.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
So I run over, I grab the football, and I
back kind of at a leisurely pace. He's like, okay,
we're waiting on you now. I'm like, okay, I'm sorry.
So snap the football and I mean it was off
to the races. It's like, this is the level of
accountability that happens here. There's no time for discussing. His
whole point was well founded. I mean, in a football game,

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you're never going to snap a football and if you
feel it hit your ankle, turn around and be like,
was that one a little too low for you? Like
you're going to have to block somebody. So he's like,
if it hits the ground, you run and you hit
somebody and then figure out if you have possession of football.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Coach plays over still coaching. Yeah, motherfucking but coaching hits
some one if it's on there, your quarterbacks and I
can get there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Oh that was my welcome down. But there were so many.
I'm sure you have some too, like where you see
something happen at the pro level where you're just like,
I've never seen that before.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Randy Moss, our buddy, Like you said.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
I remember the first day when the Vets came. Remember
that because we had our rookie camp and we had
like four days and then we were there for a while.
And then that first day when we when you see
Randy Moss and Tom Brady connected on the sideline, effortless sleep,
whole different world, it was like, oh man, that's fucking cool.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Yeah, like and that's like that's what it looked. I
guess that's what it's supposed to look like. Day one,
You're like, okay, well, well I'm never gonna get anywhere
near that level, but maybe I could like brush up
against the basement of that level.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Maybe.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
But Randy Moss I remember one time training camp practice.
It was our first training camp, and I would I
started our first training camp injured because I actually tore
my hamstring during the forty yard test and so I
was on the training room table for like ten days
before I got back out there. Randy, I remember it
was a team drill. Randy was going against like some

(51:50):
rookie or second year corner and uh, this guy, I
guess felt like he covered him going downfield on a
play and Randy was running just you know, fly round,
go route whatever, just down the sideline, and this kid
was drawn to him, and so Randy he's pointing, I mean,
shouting something down the field. You can't you can't hear it.

(52:11):
It's inaudible at first, but you just know Randy's pissed.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Yea, yeah. So he's like, oh no, hell no, no, no,
we're gonna run that shit back. Billy out, none of
this bullshit. That's our offensive coordinator at the time, Billy O'Brien.
He was like, no, no, no, we running that shit again. Tommy, okay, right, yep,
We're gonna do it. We're gonna and so Randy's in control.
Now Bill steps aside. We're gonna run that play again.
So this corner knows what plays coming. He just successfully

(52:37):
covered Randy Moss just moments ago. But I guess he
wasn't given his one hundred percent effort. He knew what
Randy was gonna do. He blows by him and he
is five steps in front of him by the time
they're fifteen yards down the field, and I shit you, no,
Jules Tom throws a perfect ball to his inside shoulder.
He never even looks at the fucker. He just goes

(52:57):
like this.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
He kind of side eyes it, throw his hand out,
catches it, and then holds his hand in the air
as he's running to the end zone, talking shit the
entire time into the end zone, all the way back
to the huddle, and then he spiked it off the
corner's head. Got in the huddle, they ran the next play.
I was like, what did we just win this?

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Yeah? I remember that.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
That was so fund Randy didn't even warm up with
the team. No, so he used to be offense defense.
Randy would always be with v he'd have his fucking
gloves on member oh.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Yeah, shit, wouldn't even be tied.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
He'd be out there just talking with the cold and
shop bro.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Randy was a man.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
It was such a fun, fun, fun teammate. And he
he would motherfuck us. But when people weren't around, he'd
always give you some knowledge. He always buddied me up,
like because I was in his room.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Oh yeah, oh I know, yeah, that must have been something, dude,
But he.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Would always you know, I was quiet in my room
because you know, you have Randy Moss, West Wolker or
fucking Greg Lewis. We just traded for Galloway.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Oh my god, Joey, Yeah, Galloway.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
So like I didn't say ship, but Randy, you know,
when we had to go pay for shit, he know,
he's take care of me. Tory Holt was that was
two years. That was the next year. Oh okay, yeah,
but I mean we retired on the conditioning test with
the zigs. Yes, yeah, I'm sorry, Toy, I'm sorry, but
I gotta tell the story.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Yeah, No, he was, he was awesome.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
No, we were on our conditioning test just to come
back right before. Yeah, and he was wearing remember those rebox.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Zigs, Yeah, the little ziggs.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Yeah, Conditioning Test twenty sixties. Okay, pretty easy, it's not
too bad. It's not too for receivers. We got a run.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys run.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
We get to Rep number four, He takes his shorts
off Rep number five shirts Rep number six. He looks
down and he says, don't do this to me, Ziggs,
and he walked off the field. I never saw him again. Never.
He retired. Right, the fucking conditioning test got him.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
That is the coolest thing I've ever heard in my life.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
He's like, but he was old. He was older at
the time.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
No, I know.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
I mean like it happened a lot in in New England.
Like he should be in the hall too, Yeah, he
should be. He needs to be in the whole. They
got a couple that need to be over there. Yeah
showing turf. Oh my god. Yeah, that team with uh Man.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
They bulk Isaac Bruce, Bruce.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
They were bad.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
They had a couple of white pace was on role
was there. They had a bunch of guys.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Yeah, man, yeah, you're not kidding. You know that forty
test where I tore my hamstring our rookie year, it
was same thing. Well, it wasn't the same thing as toy.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
I didn't quit the team, but it was literally the
it was the fourth rep. Yeah, and so I mean
I had been training like all of us like crazy, Like.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
You get a lot of anxiety. So let me paint
the picture for every Yeah. Yeah, you know, when you're
doing the forty test in New England, Okay, it's not
just you get there, you do your physical and then
everyone in the organization, in Player Personnel Department fucking GM,
every coach, anyone that has any kind of dealing with

(56:21):
any kind of player are out lined up watching like
it's a fucking meat market and they're all sitting there
mugging you. They all got a fucking note paper and
they're sitting there taking note. So there's a lot of
pressure if you don't know the test. It's an easy test,
but guys get over hyped for it because of all
these guys sitting there watching.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
I was one of those guys who got pretty over
hyped for it. So I'm in good shape. You know,
I'm fresh out of college. You know, I'm I'm fine.
I'm ready for this test. I've been doing it at
home the whole offseason leading up. So we start the
test and for the fat guys, for the offensive lineman,
you to just make sure you finish under six seconds. Yes,

(57:02):
every single one. You got to finish under six seconds
and you're fine. So you get two seconds for the yard.
So if it's forty, you get six. For the skill.
It's fifty, they get seven. Yep, we were sixty at eight,
so we would we.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Would run down.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
You get thirty or forty seconds whatever you run back,
you run down and it's just forty yards back and
forth back of thirty second wrist.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
And then set of ten.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
You get about a two minute break to grab a
sip of water, and you're doing another set of ten
and that's your twenty reps. Well, in Rep four, I'm
running down and all of a sudden, I feel my
hamstring go. And I mean, I've never torn my hamstring.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Before in my life.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
And I'm like, oh my god, I've never felt that before.
So I'm hobbling to get through. I finish in time,
but you know, ten seconds into the rest, I'm stretching
my leg I can get down like halfway to my toes.
You know, twenty seconds into the rest, I can stretch
down to my knee. Maybe like my thigh. I mean,
I'm thinking like, I'm not gonna be able to run.

(57:58):
I'm going to literally tear this muscle off the bone
and all of a sudden, Sebastian Vaalmer, who was drafted
in the second round our year. He was this giant
German by way of Houston. He played for the Koogs
in college, got drafted by New England. He had this
bizarre accent because he was of German descent, learned English
in Houston. So he goes, hey, Rich, well, was that

(58:21):
your hamstring of mine? And I'm just like it was mine.
He was like because it popped, it was loud. I'm
like yeah, And so he takes off for the next
rep and I take a seat and so my NFL
career started. Instead of accent on the football field, I'm
in the training room and it was It was not

(58:43):
great because.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
That's the worst place to be, especially when you're rookie.
Had made that, you know what I mean, you're new Oh,
and every guy comes in there and they this is
New England. Where Randy comes in there looks you like,
oh what are you doing here?

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Oh? That really?

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Or guys come in and it's like you you feel
bad for being hurt.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Oh, they make you feel bad like it's your fault.
Your hamstring exploded. Now it kind of was my fault
because even though it was a three hundred and fifteen
pound offensive lineman, I ran like a band.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Leader, like I mean like literally, like my legs were kicked.
I mean, like just a ridiculous stride.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
I don't relearn how to run because I realized I'm
pretty hammy dominant. I mean you see my ass, I
mean it is, I mean, I'm I'm all posteriors. Yeah,
I mean, there's no question about it. But yeah, So
those guys walk through like a Dalias Thomas or Randy
or guys who played in the league for you know,
Brady forever.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
They would be like like, can't make the club and
the tub scrub. I'd be like, great, this is great.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
This is They wouldn't say something mean, but they give
you a look or yeah, just to look like, oh,
like what do you got and you'd be like hamstring.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
They'd be like got it, and then you'd be like
like okay, yeah, got it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Oh actually Richard Seymour, so same training camp, Richard Seamar
Hall of Famer, Hall of famer.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
He's rehabing a back.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Same time I'm getting back from this from this hamstring tear.
And uh so we're where I'm get to know him.
Like Richard's a super quiet guy, super introverted, doesn't like
to talk to anybody, but I like to talk to everybody.
So I'm just talking his ear of him, like, hey,
we're two Richards, right, let's get to know each other.
And so he, uh before long, I got him like smiling,

(01:00:35):
I got him laughing, and we were doing a bunch
of Because he's a defensive lineman, he's gonna be.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Ramping up to get back to practice. I'm an offensive lineman.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
So when he's testing the back and I'm testing testing
the hamstring strength, we're going against each other in the
indoor away from you know, practice, off to the side
fields whatever. And so I'm starting to trust my hamstring
a little bit more. He's getting his back right, and
we both hit the field around the same time. Back
back on the practice field, and so we're doing one

(01:01:03):
on ones offensive line versus defensive line. And it is
my first one on ones since I've been in New
England because I missed the first week and a half
of training camp. I missed like because it was all
two days. I missed like twelve or thirteen practices. It
was insane, thirteen dude.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
So in six days now they give mandatory day off
after four days of camp.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
No kidding?

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Is that the new mandatory day off after four days
of single camp?

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
That would have been pretty cool. We were doing we
were doing things differently back then.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
It was So I go out for these one on
ones and I first person first rattle out of the box.
It's Richard. It's me, It's my buddy, Richard, Richard Seymour.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
So I get in at guard and I think it
was Dante Scarnekie, the offensive line coach, blowing the whistle
for the drill. We got a quarterback back behind us
about six yards where you know that the drop yep,
and so blow the whistle. I get out of my
stance and I set Richard Seymour. And when I say
I set Richard Seemour, I wouldn't actually know that because

(01:02:08):
he was behind me before my before my hands even extended.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
I'm like, what just happened? So I'm like, okay, I'm
all right, Like I guess he I thought he jumped
off sides. I thought they were gonna run it back
because they were like, like, you're you're clearly you win.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
You win early. No, I was so slow, he was
so fast. That's what that was, what that looked like.
So Dante screams at me, he yells at me. He goes,
we're doing it again. We're doing it again. So I
gotta go again against Richard. So this time I take
a much shallower set, which means I didn't step as far.
I kind of almost like set in place. I just
basically lifted my hand up off the ground and I'm like,

(01:02:46):
he's not getting by me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
This time. Richard Seymour took me with two hands.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
By my chest plate, lifted me off the damn ground
and threw me on the back of the head on
the other side of the quarterback back.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
I'm like, Richard, I thought we were freshed, but it
was insane. I'm like, oh, it's different.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
So then I moved to left guard because Dante wants
to see if I have chops at my natural position
where I played, you know whatever. It was thirty five
games at left guard at Penn State. He was like, wow,
he get over left guard. So I go to left guard,
and I'm going against big v I'm going against Vinnie.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Will Fork, and so I'm like, listen, let's se how
this one goes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
So I again do the same thing against Richard that
I did against Richard, where I short set. I just
lift my left hand up and I basically set in
place and I'm bracing for impact because he's gonna bull
rush me. He just saw Richard literally lift me like
I was a newborn child. So I hunker down and
I give Vince a good pop and dude, he drops

(01:03:50):
to a knee. And so I'm like, oh, I guess
I guess I've arrived. I can play at this level.
That's Vince will for I just put him on his knee.
Things are looking up for old tricky Dicky Ornberger. Well
guess what. So it turns out Vince Wilfork slipped and
I was unaware of it. But Pepper Johnson, his defensive

(01:04:12):
line coach, wasn't. So he goes, no, no, we got
to do that again. So peb spinning his whistle, smiling
behind Vincent. He blows the whistle. Vinnie takes off, lifts
me up like I am a newborn baby, and throws
me on the back of my head. And that's how
I started one on ones at the NFL level. I

(01:04:32):
think I remember that on low lights it was Oh yeah,
it was. It was almost like it was it was broadcasted.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Bill wanted to show rookie he wasn't practicing and we
all been getting motherfuck for eight days and it's just
a you know, correction city.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
I remember Bill puts it up on the screen and
he goes, I mean, he doesn't even say anything. The
worst part is when he would put things on the
screen and it's a low light and he wouldn't even
say anything. He had the picture of I think it
was the one on one rep against Vince where he
dumped me on my head and he's just holding the

(01:05:09):
little laser dot right at the point so everybody he's
rewinding it and playing and rewinding and playing, and then
he just goes. He goes, you guys didn't do any
one on ones at Penn State, and I'm just everybody's laughing,
like you feel like the whole world.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
I'm like, I'm getting cut. That's it. I mean, this
is this has been a fun ride. It's been like
a cool thirteen days. But I'm going home.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Yeah, that is the worst is when you were on
the low lights as a rookie. Yeah, you really thought
you were getting cut any minute. You thought you weren't
even gonna make it through the meeting. Like he was
just gonna be like you know what instead just leave,
you know what, I think we're done here. We've seen
en off. Yeah, like Rich said, when he didn't say anything,
and I'm sure, I'm sure right when he paused it

(01:05:56):
and did the four or five rewinds of the highlight
or low light with no commentary, then he would get
up and step up in front of the team and
there'd be two little do boys that turn the lights
on right when he walks out and be like god,
the lights would turn on as he would just say
he didn't do that at Penn State or something like that.

(01:06:18):
And then you even go back and the guys will
turn it off. The guys should turn off. Remember you
remember the light guy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
He was like the like guys were like these little henchmen.
And the funniest shit was when they thought he was
about to talk yes, and so they'd dive for the
light and then all of a sudden, like a light
would flicker and he would give him a stare. He
would just like look at him like a disappointed father,
and you're like, oh, not a good day to a
good day.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
That tech guy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Oh my god, oh my god, those people bless.

Speaker 6 (01:06:48):
That was like the Seinfeld and George would leave on
a high note.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Exactly right, exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Could you explain to people Billy O'Brien as when we're rookies.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Oh my god, Billy O'Brien.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
He I mean like he first of all, super well
informed coach, knew knows shit, knew every nuance of every
play we're gonna run, you know, whether it was the
offensive line pass blocking scheme or the appropriate route depth
of the tight end or the option route the slot
guy's gonna run, or the quarterbacks drop or the re whatever.

(01:07:24):
I mean, the global view he had of the game,
plus what the defense is gonna do to you, how
you respond to the defense. He was a practitioner, but
he was also like we called him a teapot because
it was like watching a kettle on like medium. So
you start the meeting and Billy, oh wouldn't be at

(01:07:46):
like one level of frustration, like there was always just
like a simmer, like he's always kind of pissed just.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
A little, yeah, just a little, and then potential energy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
The meeting would go on and be like, you know,
if Jules, you know, if he was supposed to run
around to the sticks, you know, yeah, you know, he
came up to two yards short, and it's just like
I mean, we like, I mean, it stirred down Julie,
and like I like, I don't, I don't, I don't
actually understand how I could. I couldn't have been more
clear in the meeting before the practice, because god damn it, Joe,

(01:08:19):
and he would lose his mind and like vain sticking
out of parts of his face neck he get the
neck veil, remember, dude, And you would be like is
he gonna make it? And then he would ask you
a question or whoever screwed something up like his beautiful play?
Like you maimed his beautiful play? Like how could you

(01:08:40):
do this to me? You embarrassed me in front of
all these coaches. We're gonna do this on Sunday, you idiot,
and be like, explain yourself. And then there were times
where like a receiver might say something smart. It's like, oh,
you know, I saw the safety cheating a little bit,
and I just want to cut off the around a
little bit earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
And he would be like as absolutely not, absolutely not.
But then sometimes later on he would change it because
he was a good listener too, But he was a
hothead and and but was a wonderful coach.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Because again, that's the pressure cooker. If you could make
it an offensive meeting, if you can make it on
the field, if you if you could deal with all
of this, it's not fake pressure. It's real because jobs
are on the line and salaries on the line. If
you could last inside the practice field, the meeting rooms,
you're gonna be fine.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
On some the games were so much easier.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Easier, Yeah, prepared and that you get the hate was
in the barn at that point. All the work was in. Yeah,
it's pretty crazy. Got a cool ACC matchup this year
Boston College versus North Carolina, Oh my god, versus Billy Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
I didn't thought about it.

Speaker 6 (01:09:53):
Let's would have ever seen the day he's with Billy Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Is build going to fucking make a trade or a
scholarship trade for nil money?

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Can they lure Bears Nigerian away? Bears needs to be
with Bill For anybody who doesn't know. Bear's Nigerian was
Bill's like right hand man. He was his office assistant.
So as you walked into the Patriots facility at Joellette Stadium,
immediately to your left was Bearje's office and it was
a Jack and Jill office. You had to walk through

(01:10:23):
Bears's office to get to Bill's office, So the only
way into Bill's office was through Bearje's office.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
And like Bear's Nigerian, he did I mean he did
everything everything.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
I mean, he did everything except actually take snaps on
the football field, like I mean. There were times, like
I mean, he would do everything. There were times where
he'd be up in a thing, filming a practice, or
washing a car, or like you know, like I mean,
like doing Bill's taxes, like I mean, whatever he needed.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
He was a glue guy. He was an important role
player on the staff. Definitely a glue guy. So much
social media had to be scoured by Bears.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Did you feel like Bears hated you from the day
you walked in that building until the day you left.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
I felt like it took me about five six years.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Yea. I felt like Bears had no sense of humor
for me. I would say hello to Bears.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
I would try to crack a joke and he would
look at me as if I was speaking French or Latin.
I was like, all right, well fuck me, see later, Bears,
and just continue on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
My would be at his stand up desk like all right,
aarren Berger.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Yeah, Like he wouldn't laugh. You would say something like
the meeting starts at seven fifty and then continue typing
and be like, all right, well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
What was your perception of Ernie Adams? He's been on
the pod we love Arnie. What did you think Ernie
Adams was a mad scientist. I didn't know that he
was on the coaching staff. I thought he was someone's
dad at first. To be perfectly honest with you, okay,
can we okay? This is how bad it was for
me when I was recruited and signed my letter intent

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to Penn State, and through my first maybe three years,
I didn't even know what the Big ten was, Like,
I knew nothing about football. I played lacrosse my whole
young life. I didn't watch any football. I didn't particularly
care to watch anything. I loved playing it, so I
started playing in eighth grade and then it became the thing.
So when I was drafted by New England. I learned

(01:12:24):
everything at Penn State, and then I learned everything more
of everything when I was in New England.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
But I didn't even know where were in the AFC East.
I didn't know where to Foxborough was. I didn't know
where fox Yeah, I knew it was in Massachusetts. See,
I didn't know that because I couldn't tell you, like
who we played against in Division. Like when people were
like Division Rob, I'm like, oh, yeah, the Tennessee ThunderCats.
Am I all right? Every time we play the Cats,

(01:12:49):
it's Pat's Cats? Am I right? God?

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
I had no idea. I had no frame of reference.
So like when I'm meeting different coaches and like, you know,
this guy's the you know whatever, the offensive assistant to
the nutritionists. I was like, coret On, It's great to
meet you. Like so Ernie, I thought he was just
someone's dad. I didn't know he had an actual title

(01:13:13):
that one tells you, yeah, and nobody told you. So.
It was just this must gray like white mustache man
wandering around a football field muttering to himself. And then
occasionally he'd walk up to a coach Hanna machet of
paper and it would be like he would read it,
fold it, put it in the pocket, and be like,
all right, we're gonna do something different. Like but he

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was like a mad scientist. He just wandered the field
and fixed shit. He was incredible. Do you have any
interactions with him? Only a couple and it was usually
when someone else was talking to him, because I never
once started a conversation with Ernie. I think he came
up to me one time and it might have been
something like you know where you're from originally and be like, uh,

(01:13:54):
New York, Nassau County, right, yeah, all right, and then
he'd walk away.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
I'd be like, he knew everything about you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
That was him talking, that was him, that's Ernie saying hi, No.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
But I found out later he's like got this savant
level understanding of the game of football, and him and
Bill would like scour the archives for hours, and you know,
he had this encyclopedic knowledge of like, you know, every
play that you know the teams he was affiliated with
have ever ran and be able to recall.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Things like in moments.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Brains like that. I don't have a brain that works
that way. No, brains like that impressed me. Ernie impresses
me to no end.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
No, but you have brains that killed rookie skits.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
Yeah, what was the story?

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
I don't know if you could tell it on here,
but you told you got a fucking white boy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
So he was our guy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Didn't you do a commercial, the Matt Light commercial?

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Yeah, because matt Light had the vitamin water. He dressed
up in a two too or something.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
He was, yeah, like in a skin suit because there
would dance around in this. Was it Snapple or Soaby Life.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Solery water, Life Water.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Whatever it was. It was a ridiculous commercial. And so
we're making fun of Light for that one. Let's see. Yeah,
the one you're talking about with the whiteboard, I can't repeat,
I mean absolutely, Oh I can. All right, I have
one for you, this one actually, So this continued so
Bill during the Rookie skids, Like when I told a

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story about my life, he was he. I mean I
didn't realize he had as good of a sense of
humor until that night, and he was howling, laughing, and
it was almost like encouraging me to go deeper and
further into this story. I'm like, oh, I thought this
was going to be like a little.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Shape risque a little only Skarniko. Oh al least Scar
would be like, oh, we got it, and.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
I would just pile it on. I'd give more details
and so Bill would like it. So throughout my time there,
he would call me up, if you remember, even after
my rookie season, at random times, just to tell a story.
Twenty eleven, he called me to the front of the
rooms my third year in. He was like, hey, rich
he got a story for us. I'm like, yeah, I
could come up with one. So I wandered down the

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front of the room and now there's expectation and people
are like clapping and applouding.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
I'm like, oh my god, what am I going to
tell these people? This is gonna be I have nothing ready.
I'm just telling you what I was in the crowd.
I was like, all right, Richie's got this. Let's go rich.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
So fortunately, something awful had happened to me that offseason
and I regaled the tail in front of the team.
It was the year of the lockout twenty eleven, so
the owners locked us out. We were left to our
own devices, like you could not go to the facilities
because a new CBA had to be hammered out between
the players and the owners. So I had just had

(01:16:49):
a shoulder surgery on my right shoulder and I'm in
an arm sling still. The training staff, Jim Whalen, Joe,
they set me up with the with the the Boston
Red Sox trainers because I'm living in Boston.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
Yeah, and so they have a like a private practice.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Three blocks four blocks walking distance from the apartment I
was renting in Boston at the time. So i wake
up one morning and I'm telling this story in front
of the team. This is for Bill and everybody else.
I wake up one morning, I roll out of bed
and I don't hear my alarm, like, oh, I'm late
for this training session. And now the Patriots trainers could
they could communicate with those Red Sox trainers. They just

(01:17:29):
couldn't talk to me because they're under contract with the
league owners, so they would know if I missed or
was late or anything. So I'm like sprinting to get ready.
So I throw on a pair of sweats, I throw
on a T shirt. I'm wearing my arm sling and sandals.
I walk the four blocks over to the PT clinic.
So I hit the elevator. I'm riding up to the
second floor, and I'll pause here to tell you what

(01:17:52):
I have for dinner.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
The night before. I had a sushi from a gas station.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Which don't do that in Boston.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
In Boston, yeah, which there was like one gas station
in Boston, and they.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Had the best sushi, so said the Mexican food joint
t right there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Oh my god, you know the one that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Yeah, yeah, they're gone, get oh, it's gone gone. Well,
they had good sushi. But but it was questionable, I
guess because I kicked my leg up in this elevator
and I ship my pants worse than anybody has ever
shipped a pair of pants in the history of shitting pants.
It was I can't even explain to you how horrifying

(01:18:34):
the scene was. But did you go down your leg, buddy?
It had cuffed ankles full. Okay, So anyways, I'm in
this elevator now with my ship pants, and the door's
open at the second floor, and I'm like, I can't
leave this elevator, so the door's just closed.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
And now I'm just riding an elevator.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
In soil pants and it smells in there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
Oh and I didn't have time to put on draws
like I'm wearing just gray sweatpants, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
So we're riding the elevator. I'm riding an elevator up
and down, and people are like coming onto this elevator
like starting their workday. And I mean, I smell like
an ox like like people are now like visually disturbed,
and I mean, I'm a psychopath in the back of
this elevator, tucked into a corner because I don't want
them to see the back of my pants, and the
elevator reeks, so they're like, who's this escaped patient. I'm

(01:19:26):
sitting there in an arm slant wearing sandals and shit
stained sweatpants and a T shirt. So finally I'm like,
I guess I just have to walk home and kind
of face the music.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
This is the worst day of my life.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
And so I hit lobby, go down a lobby, doors open,
and all of a sudden, as I'm walking through the doors,
I notice it says PG on the button panel.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
I'm like, oh, parking garage.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
I'd always walked there, I never driven, so I didn't
know there was parking garage. So I clicked PG really
quick and I go down to the parking garage. But
now I mean, it's change nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
I'm now just I'm walking around a parking garage, trying
to only face people as they're exiting their vehicles and
going to this elevator, also scaring the shit out of
people because they're like, who is this escape patient wearing
the arm sling only facing us in the parking garage. So,
after doing this for like five minutes trying to figure
out a plan, I'm like, I gotta face some music

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and walk home.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
So I'm heading for daylight. I'm about to pass the
last row of cars and go up the ramp, and
I at the corner of my eye, I see a
pair of jeans in the back of a Honda Civic.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
I'm just like, God, damn.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
I mean, if it were me and I knew someone
like me were in this situation, I know I would
feel okay with him taking these jeans, and so I
don't feel great about it. Sir, ma'am, I'm sorry for
taking your clothing. But I opened the back seat, the
back door to this Honda Civic. I grab, I grab
what I thought. We're jeans, what we're popular back then

(01:20:59):
that aren't so popular anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
Are jaggings and the woman whose jaggings he's belonged to,
was not a large woman. These were. She was diminutive
and stature, to say the very least.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
These were the smallest fucking leggings that a human being
could squeeze themselves into. And I'm kicking off my clothes
in this parking garage and I'm pulling these ill So
I even removed my shirt because I needed like clean up.
It was I don't even want to get into spacific
because it was bad. So the sandals, the T shirt,
and the sweats that I was wearing ended up under

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this poor woman's car.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
I pulled the jaggings up. They're tearing at the seams.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
There's holes in these jaggings, okay, and I'm wearing I
reassemble my arm sling, and so I'm walking towards the.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
Exit, and I realized, like, oh, this is way worse.
This is like I didn't do the math, but now
I'm a three hundred and fifteen pound man in an
arm sling, wearing ill fitting women's clothing, and well, I'm
just gonna walk home in the streets of Boston.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
So look, I was an athlete and I'm not bragging
humble bread. I was super fast for being a fat guy,
and so I decide, once I hit the top of
this ram, I'm sprinting home like I'm gonna get there
like mock three. I'm breaking the sound barrier here, So
I start running. Didn't do the math on this. When
you're dressed like that and you start running in public,

(01:22:27):
people start running with you because they're afraid of whatever
danger you're running away from. So now it's like the
jogging club going down the streets of Boston. I shake
my tail though. I make it back to the apartment.
I shower off. The doorman buzzes me in completely nonplause
by any of this. He was just like, as if
it's a normal Tuesday morning. He's like, hey, reach, I'm like,

(01:22:48):
what's that, Muhammed. I go up to my apartment, shower off,
come back downstairs, say goodbye to Muhammad again, walk out
to the PT clinic, ride that elevator back up, still
kind of stunk, roade Albert back up the second floor.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
I get there, I'm like, hey, I'm so sorry. I'm like,
they're like, you're not late, You're right on time. My
appointment was like thirty minutes later than I thought all
of this could have been avoided. It was the worst
day of my life. And so when you run out
of stories to tell, you just tell stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
You putting on another person's pants reminds me of the
Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
Oh my god. Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, that story
forgot all about it. I took it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
So I was. I had a prescription to Ambien for
sleeping and it was the Super Bowl and there was
a cold going around.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Yeah, so I was sick. So the first couple nights
I took meat quilte and imbian. Last thing I remember
is waking up with a pair of like forty eight
boxers on the outside of my bed. I'm like, what
the fuck happened? I had no clue anything happened. It
was rich Ormburger's fucking boxers. Because I got I took

(01:23:59):
a piss, I was. I guess I was peeing on
my door outside in the public, and they didn't think
it was They didn't know I was a player, and
so they had to bring me down button naked Donald
duck at it. I had no underwear. I just had
a T shirt on. Yeah, and rich was going up
and he's like, you gave me a pair of boxers.
I'm like, this guy needs underwear.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
I'm like, come with me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
I don't even remember, Yeah, I dude, I can't tell.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
You how fast like all that happened. But yeah, oh
I barely remember. That's so crazy. You have a good memory, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
So much happened, like we played for three years, but
if it feels like a mini lifetime there, like it's
a so much, so much happened in New England during
that span. It's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
All right, let's go to a segment. Let's dip into it.
Let's go back to around December ninth, twenty twelve, Oh
my gosh, and go around pop culture. Number one movie Skyfall.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Never seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
That's a James Bond. It was pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah is that uh which James? Yeah? Yeah,
like Daniel Craig, I like the theme to us guy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
It's like a jazzy little number number one song Gang
Is Style by ps Wile whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
Most huge video and all of you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Yeah, my daughter loves his.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Song, buddy. I was about to say, you have an
eight year old daughter. I have a nine year old son,
six year old son. We still jam gang themsel.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Yeah, it's on the playlist for sure, for sure Sports
twenty twelve thirteen Super Bowl champions or the Ravens.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
That was the blackout harble. That was a yeah Beyonce halftime.
I remember that game. That was crazy. Yeah, Ravens won
that year. We almost went. We lost to the Ravens.
Oh yeah in the AFC Championship. H NFL VP Adrian Peterson.
He's a fucking monster. Great to see that the running
backs are getting a little more love now. Like it
so my boy, Saquon Barkley, Penn stander, dude like reborn

(01:25:56):
in Philadelphia?

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Is that reborn? I think it's a mixture of him
being healthy again because the last couple of years he
was still off that A cl and B playing with
the line that actually is capable.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Those guys are bad dudes there, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
And and also the pieces around him he doesn't you know,
there's a lot to try to defend on that team.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
When you got that tight end and Smith and Brown
and Hurts is a run threat. Like, there's so much
to look at and they Sirianni, I forget who their
OC is in Philly.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
But kellout that's right, Kellen Moore.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
They do a pretty good job yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Well, that's that's my only thing about Philly. I don't
trust the leadership in the organization. I think Saquan has
masked a lot of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Oh dude, the whole brown hurts be if.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Yeah, they had to run the football to win, you
know what I mean, Like, why would And it's not
AJ's fault. It's the offensive coordinating the quarterbacks fault on
making everyone happy. But you have to run the ball
because you guys are winning.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
So quick story about the Ravens AFC championship game that
we won in What was that?

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
That was twenty even?

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
Okay, So yeah, Convetti falls right. We're all on the field,
they're setting up the impromptu stage on the field. We're
all hugging each other. I mean, it's tears. We're going
to the damn Super Bowl. I mean, this is crazy.
I bump into this old lady. He's wearing this big
fur coat, this mink and I'm just like, oh, I'm sorry, man.

(01:27:21):
She goes hi, that's no problem, and I'm just like,
that is some voice on that lady. So she wanders away.
I'm hugging one of the one of my buddies. Offensive lineman,
whoever it is and I turned and I face the
stage and it wasn't an old lady. It was Steven
Tyler of Aerosmith. I guess he was at the game

(01:27:42):
or in the owner's box or whatever. So he's on
stage with the trophy presentation. Dude, look like a lady.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
Oh yeah he did not.

Speaker 6 (01:27:49):
He did the national anthem that game was.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
Yeah, we just guy too.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
He's from Boston.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
Yeah, that's right, Aerosmith start out there and it looks
like a lady.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
He really does. I like that, it really does. Trophy
winner Johnny Football Alabama, the champs.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Peyton Manning signs with the Denver Broncos. That was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
That was a little nuts after the neck. Remember the
Colts drafted Luck and he was like he was in
Germany doing German things, who knows what with the neck.
And then he comes back and he was he went,
I mean winning that Super Bowl, noodle arm in it
around the field with the Broncos. Yeah, they got the
whole Osweiler treatment out there too.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
You remember that. That was a crazy year.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
That was a very crazy year. They benched Peyton for Osweiler.
He got hurt and then Osweiler came in and then
they rebnched Osweiler. They were gonna go with them, and
then they in the posts postseason, they went with Peyton.
They went with the general and he got the damn
thing done. You know, his arm just fell. He couldn't
grip the ball because his first year in Denver, this
year to fucking lit it up.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
Oh he lit it up.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Yeah, he was like lead, a league leader and all
this every Yeah, he was a crazy year. Also the
bounty skin Annal bounty game. Oh my, I forget about that.
Oh yeah, because and then there's bounty Gate and then
also the pill scandals, which fucked up. You couldn't get
anything and it ever again, do you remember the tour Yeah,
you couldn't get tourt all.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
No, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Okay, So for anybody who doesn't know about tourd all,
it's like the wonder drug. It's vitamin T. Baby would
ticket before every single game. And I mean, I guess
it's like a surgical an inflammatory. So maybe it sounds
a little reckless talking about it this way, but I
mean it worked. He had a sprained ankle. You feel

(01:29:37):
great for four hours, buddy, Yeah, and then you even
had like the halo effects, the next day.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
The next day wasn't too He felt like shit, the
worst day. You're like ever?

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Yeah yeah, walk until about Thursday and then geared up
for Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
I won't say the name of the player, but there
was a player who during that time. Uh yes, he
uh well he he found uh he found us dash
of vitamin T and he started taking cots into the
stall and giving no no, no, not in New England.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
But I'm just saying, if you needed it. It was around.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
It was I mean, dude, it felt like what are
we doing? Like, what is this the program? I mean,
it was ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Oh, Jackie, let's get into this game. Let's talk about
break Carizona Cardinals real quick. My god, I've an eleven.
This was the final year of the kin Wizen Hunt era.
We mentioned Ken earlier. Oh Ce, Mike Miller, Mike Miller,
d C. Ray Horton.

Speaker 6 (01:30:38):
Three Pro bowlers on this team, Larry Fitzderro Washington, Patrick Peterson.
Uh we talked ray Horton most recently, the head coach
of the Pittsburgh Mallers.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Wow AFL I believe so yes? Is there an ANFL
not arena that's USFL No.

Speaker 6 (01:30:54):
No, it's it's the American that was one of those
defunct and then uh, Mike Miller, you be coach of
the Toronto Argonauts. Of course for all our CFL heads
out there, no kiddy, Yeah, good coordinators today. All right?

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
All right? Started off hot four.

Speaker 6 (01:31:11):
And oh we went up to New England, got an
upset win, first win in New England since nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
I remember that, dude, that was my first year in Arizona. Dude,
I gave them everything we had. So I left New
England and Ray Horton, the defensive coordinator, He's like, what
do you have for me?

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
I'm like everything. I'm like, we're gonna go out to
Foxboro and we're gonna I'm like, they have no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
I know everything.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
And so I gave them every line call, I gave
them every adjustment I gave them. I mean they pumped
me like like you know, they were given gas away.
It was crazy. So they they had they had you
beat us the Patriots Hohle playbook. Yeah, we went out there.
I didn't even play in this game, and I'm just
on the sideline like the trap is set. So you

(01:32:00):
think it helped, it helped. I mean it definitely. Some
of the guys on the defense after the game were like, yeah,
you were right when they whatever the line call was,
when they say this, they did that, you know, whatever
it was, it was, it was it was fun. But
yeah we start off hot four and oh and then
it all fell part in a big way.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
How do you sum this team up? How would especially
you're coming from New England so you just went to
a super Bowl. Yeah, you go to Arizona and when
you're a Patriot going into another locker room, I assume
I assume people are like looking at you like, oh,
this fucking guy, what it was? What sum this team up?

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
Okay, so you made a good point there, and it's accurate.
When you leave New England and you go elsewhere, it's
kind of like the same way, like an Ivy League education,
Like like there's this feeling of like, oh, like.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
He you Penn instead of Penn State, Right, Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah,
big difference, big difference. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
It was cool going to a new team and people
would ask like about Bill or Tom or you or
Wes or you know, as the years went on, like
you know, what was it like? You know, and and
they just assumed like you've you've got it all figured out,
because New England had it all figured out. So it
wasn't like they rolled out the red carpet. But you
would even have coaches like what would new what would

(01:33:25):
the Patriots do here? Like how would they do this different?
And like sometimes you'd make a suggestion that worked in
New England, like an adjustment at the line of scrimmage
or whatever, and then you would see it put in
the game plan. Yeah, like it was kind of wild.
But anyways, this team, the way I would sum it
up was injuries. We started off hot. Kevin Cobb got
his lights taken out against Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
They came out to Arizona and they.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
Beat the breaks off of us, and uh and after
that beating from Buffalo, I think we lost nine straight
games if I remember correctly. And somewhere in the midst
of that was this visit to Seattle and it was
a bad one. It was a really really bad outing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Oh I forgot Brian Hoyer was there. Oh yeah he
so again.

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
Injuries, So Kevin Cobb, John Skelton, Ryan Linley quarterbacks on
that team.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
Later on down the road, Brian.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
Hoyer had to be brought in because they were like,
we just need like warm bodies on this roster. And
like Hoy Dog lived with me for a short time,
like because we were camp. He was always my roommate
in training camp during during our time together in New England.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
So your guys room to study formations with Hoy Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
There were times where in my underwear I would be
snapping the ball to Hoyer and you would be running
walking routes and he would throw the ball to you.
In our residence, in living room, we would move the furniture. Yeah,
walk through, That is no bullshit. We walked through for
the walk through.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
Yeah, yeah, just say you could always be on point
because we weren't letting these motherfuckers take you down.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
We were so well prepared.

Speaker 6 (01:35:05):
That's the kind of behind the scenes stuff I love
to hear about.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
Yeah, good stuff, man, Larry Fitzgerald. How cool of a
fucking teammate pro, just a one pro, just like the coolest.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
Dude you could ever ask for, Like, I mean, teammate wise.
So years later, out of a Super Bowl I was
broadcasting from I mean, Larry Fitzgerald had no reason to
ever remember who I was. I randomly walked up to him,
just like, Hey, Larry, what's up.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
Before I was about to reintroduce myself to him, I
was about to say, Hey, it's Rich Wrenberger from the
twenty twelve season. Dude, I just want to say, what's up.
He stops me and he goes, Rich, what's up.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
He was and he like remembered like he.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
Was is a wonderful human being and like one of
the most prepared athletes you ever met. Like he just
he just understood everything. Every single movement wasn't wasted.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
He was. He was insane, mature.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
Big bro vibes. Yeah, because I remember I went out.
I remember he used to have those during that lockout.
He used to have that camp in Minnesota and in
Arizona for receivers. I went out, Yeah, And I went
out with Charlie Frye to the camp in Arizona just
to throw at them. Yeah, and he invited me back

(01:36:18):
to it. I never met him. I was a no
name at the time. I was a special teamer and
I went out to Arizona and he I remember, he
was just the coolest dude. He's like, hey man, we
were working out after the running of the routes. He goes, Hey,
why don't you come over to my house. I got
a pool, I'll have Chipotle cater it, We'll have some
people over. It'll be awesome. Went over there. It was

(01:36:39):
just the coolest fucking mature big bro that always looked out,
taught you good shit, got great advice, but also just
like looked out. He looked out for you. It was awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
That was him and Arizona.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
Even though we didn't win a lot ken wizen Hunt,
like he set the schedule where and they did a
lot of winning under wizen Hunt in the Desert, but
this year just the wheels came off, and I can't
remember what the season's record was before that, but they
ended up moving on from this whole staff after this
five and eleven year. But he was a guy who

(01:37:15):
was like at three o'clock, if anybody was still in
the in the building, they were doing the wrong thing,
Like get home. Yeah, like we're not going to live here.
You're gonna study your plays at home. We're gonna be prepared.
I remember Russ Grimm, the whole Hall of Famer offensive
line coach, was my offensive line coach. He was the
same type of way like be with your family, get

(01:37:36):
out there, and then when time comes, you kick a
ton of shit out there, and that's how we're gonna run.
Like he was, they were like, it was the best
quality of life I've ever had playing football, But unfortunately
we just did not win a lot of games.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Yeah, and it's a fine line in the league. I mean,
you look at it's it's between winning and losing is
so close for an organization.

Speaker 3 (01:37:59):
The margins are slim.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Margins are so slim, like they could have probably if
you look at the one score games they could have
been if they would have went the other way, they
could have been like maybe nine and fours or six
or you know what I mean. Like that's how close
it is. And because of the injuries that they sustained
this year, I mean, that's how fucking it's like wildfire.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, we lost quarterbacks, offensive linemen,
we were injured on the defense. And then then the
blame game starts because things start going squirrely, and then
guys get frustrated because everybody in that locker room is
somewhat nuts and also on alpha, and it's like, you know,

(01:38:38):
you want it perfect, you want it right, you get frustrated.
Nobody likes losing, so the culture spoiled a little bit,
like it got a little ugly in spots, and it
was you know, I mean it just it's unfortunate the
way the season ended. But at least we kind of
made history that year on that on on that December

(01:38:59):
night in Seattle.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
We'll be right back after this quick break, Jackie, why
don't you break down the Seattle Seahawks so we can
get into it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
Let's do it.

Speaker 6 (01:39:10):
Let's get into this history maker. Eleven and five Seahawks team.
This was Pete Carroll, Era, Darryl Bevill, Gus Bradley. Those
guys are still killing. Came the next year, I think, yes,
Robert Salad was on his staff as a defensive QC guy.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (01:39:25):
This was Russ's rookie year. Heck of a draft for Seattle.
Bruce Irv and Bobby Wagner, Jeremy lab jesus. Yeah, that's
how you win super Bowls. You draft great, incredible, super
talented team.

Speaker 1 (01:39:37):
Who was up front on the it was me being
right defensive tackle, yep, Brandon Meban Yeah, he rich, he was,
Oh he was gigantic.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
He's a huge human. And he remember when we parked, No,
where do you park? You know where we parked on that?
Yeah you know, because I don't think you were there
with him. He was on the later part.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
He was like a techie dude, no kidding, Like he
liked I think he liked video games or he may
have liked like anime or dude would get up. He
would go from the parking lot and he had an
electric skateboard and he would electric skateboard from the parking
lot just to just to the door door and then
he'd be scooting this thing in and out. He would

(01:40:19):
do it in the hallway.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
Oh so, oh buddy, those hallways in New England uncomfortably long.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Oh, very uncomfortably long.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
Okay, so this is gonna sound super weird, but we
have to take this tangent. There are no doors on
many of the corridors in the New England facility. So
like if there is a coach, like especially Bill, walking
down one end of the hallway and you're walking down
the other.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
Twenty five yards dude, yeah, like a long walk. Wow,
you're just like what do you do with your eyes? All?
My gosh? I mean, imagine how uncomfortable, and he was.
He never had a cell phone in his hand, and
he would stare through your skull like as if you
were an apparition and you're just in the way from

(01:41:06):
his I don't know, is waffles or whatever the hell
he's walking to the lunch room to get dude, And
then he would he would either you were like, is
he gonna stop me? Or is he gonna walk past me?

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
He never knew, and then at like like maybe five yards,
he would say like hey, and then you would have
to stop because he's addressed you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
Now he'd be like, hey, coach, how's it going.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
You have to pretend like you weren't just like sweating
this conversation the whole time, and he would like compliment, criticism, question,
whatever it was. As soon as it over, you're just like, oh,
thank god, and you would just keep walking. And it's
not because he's an unpleasant man, No, he was just
in control of your whole world at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
And he had an aura around him.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
Yes, he did like it. How could you just felt
it when he came in the room. Everyone knew, yes,
Like even if your back was turned to the orwin knew.
It was like there was a disturbance in the forest.
You were like, oh my god, he's here. I tell
a story that I was. He caught me there late

(01:42:09):
night once. Hey, you know I used to go when
I first got there. You went to Penn State, so
you had great facilities and shit, I went to Kent.
I used to go to the locker room and get
all these free gator age shakes and stuff at New
England and hang out in the tubs.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
I never had that stuff in my life. That's why
I was always there, Like Sawna. I thought it was
fucking cool with that. I go there off season and
Bill's there and we got caught in the hallway together.
First off, he went bare knuckleberry in the hot tub
while I was in there.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
I remember you telling that story. I couldn't believe it.
Like he is the problem at the YMCA locker room.
We got it out, just balls out, just like, hey,
deal with it, buddy. I'm comfortable in my own skin,
and now we're gonna make Belichick soup together. But we
got caught in that hallway walking together.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
Oh so it was worse.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
Yes, you know how they're buddy, You know how there'd
be a couple alleyways that would come where you wouldn't
see what was at the thing until you got there.
You just so happened to go at the same time
and your lockstep, lockstep to the fucking parking lot at
eleven o'clock at night in March.

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
Dude, I would have been like, forgot my cues, got
a bail. I mean, I would have came up with
some excuse, ship my bands, I gotta run whatever it was.

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
I didn't know what to do. What was that conversation?

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
So we didn't have a conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:43:29):
My god, this is the problem. So we walked out
and by the time we got.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
Thirty five yards yeah, and then another probably twenty five
yards of cement to the parking lot.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
We got there.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
Finally we're going different direction. I'd go coach Man, pretty
crazy that you're here on March, you know, at eleven
o'clock at night. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
He looked at me, he goes, it beats being a plumber.
I'll see it tomorrow, and that was it. Jaculates kid
in the game.

Speaker 6 (01:43:59):
All right, quick little lead up. This is a rematch
from week one cards beat him Round. We're looking for
Seattle's looking for some revenge or No Baby started out?

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
Yeah, we start hot, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:44:09):
Fast forward here, cards are on an eight game losing streak.
Seattle's hunting for a playoff spot. There's still seven and five,
Arizona's four and eight here, and we're heading up to
Seattle here.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
Now, when did you know this is gonna be ugly? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
Oh, right out the gate, right out the gate. I'm
trying to remember who started for us. I think it
was John Skelton, Yes, I think it was, and then
and Linley got time though, because either John got injured
in this game, our quarterback, yes, and then Ryan Linley
had to come in, or or they benched.

Speaker 3 (01:44:43):
I forget how it went. Whatever the situation was, it
was not going well right out the.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
Gates, and so what made matters worse was I think
it was after halftime. I'm fairly certain it was during
one of the plays we're trying into Actually time, it's
thirty eight zero, dude, it's I mean, it is out
of hand. We are getting it fed to us right now.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
It's bad.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
So we leave the tunnel and the planet's like all right,
first half, So it's the second half. Lot effort, gang,
go get them and it's just like what are we
doing here?

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
Like, So we we go out there, and you would think,
like Seattle would like call off the dogs a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
They're still coming. They're like they're they're trying now, they're
trying to pile up some stats on us, and like defensively,
they're still really giving us some good effort. So we're
running an inside zone, which you know, it's just a gap.
You know, it's just a scheme where you're stepping to
the gap adjacent to you and you're working up to
the next level or blocking the down lineman in that gap.

(01:45:43):
So I'm the center, snap the ball to Linley, I think,
and I hit the defensive tackle or the nose, I
think it was Mebane And then whoever was blocking the
three technique, the defensive tackle to my right dumped them
on my right knee and I completely tear my mcattle
And so I'm down on the turf and I gotta

(01:46:05):
get walked off by the training staff.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
I go into the locker room. My night's over.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
I go on the table right next to a TV
so I could watch. There's a close circuit camera going on,
you know, from the TV feed, and they're showing a
close up of Linley and the backup center I won't
name his name, doing some center quarterback exchange to get
warmed up to go in there, and they fumble two
snaps on the sideline. I'm like, oh shit, this is

(01:46:32):
not gonna go well. So they go out to the field.
The very first snap was a fumbled snap, and I
think Seattle dove on it, and I'm pretty sure the
very next time we touched the football they fumble another
snap or something goes off like, you know, he snaps
one over his head. Whatever it was, it was going poorly.
So I say, practice here. No, No, this was a

(01:46:53):
very different culture. And so there was this trainer who
had this giant shaw on his cheek. His name was
the Machine. We called a machine in Arizona. I was like, hey, Machine,
have you ever taped a knee back together?

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
Is that possible?

Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
And he goes, we could give it a shot, spits
and then puts a brace and tape and he's like
wrapping my knee up.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
And then I start jogging around in the training room
and I'm like, I think I could play on this.

Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
And then I kind of get out into the tunnel
and I'm going back and forth. I'm like, yeah, I'm like,
I think I could go back in there because I'm
worried that because I like, I like Ryan and like
you gotta be a little nuts to play football. I'm like,
I gotta protect that guy. I feel bad he's working.
So I get back on the field. We are now
trailing forty something to nothing, and I go back on

(01:47:45):
the field in the third quarter with the football guy
to finish out this game. And I mean, I am
in more pain than I think I've ever been in.
I mean, this knee is no good.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
It is shot.

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
I'm standing on nothing. It's welling, swelling. I mean, it
feels like I'm getting no push off of it. And
so at some point into the fourth quarter, I say
to Mebane, I'm so curious if he remembers this conversation.
I'm like, buddy, I'm like, I'm in a lot of pain.
I'm like, I think this knee is like broken in half.
I'm like, could we just dance for the rest of
the game. He's like, I got you, big dog, and

(01:48:19):
so me and anytime I had a block, hum, we
just made it look like we.

Speaker 3 (01:48:24):
Were yeah in a game. Oh dude. The coolest dude.

Speaker 1 (01:48:28):
I love him for it, and so I am fairly
certain the fifty eight nothing final because I got yanked
before then this game. Russ grim My offensive Wine coach
was like, buddy, you're done, like like he was, I'm like, no,
I can still go. And he pointed at the scoreboard.
He goes, the war's over, the battle's over. He's like,

(01:48:49):
they may shut us down before the season's over.

Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
And I'm like, my god.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
So he pulled me out of a game, and that
was my last game of the season. I was on
ir for the rest of the year. But man alive, dude,
it was. It was just I'm fairly certain that fifty
eight nothing is tied for third all time, the worst
shutout beating in the history of the league.

Speaker 3 (01:49:14):
And I was there. I mean, he was there for
it all. Yeah, I mean that there was some correct
on that stat.

Speaker 6 (01:49:19):
Rich number one. Two thousand and nine Patriots Titans fifty
nine nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:49:23):
Oh yeah, that was a snow game.

Speaker 6 (01:49:26):
Snow nineteen seventy six Rams Falcons fifty nine nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
Twenty twelve fifty eight nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:49:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:49:34):
First, Arizona at a little piece in that game, forty
eight nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
You come back in that's a it was what's lost
like that?

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
I mean, eager to get drunk on the plane.

Speaker 1 (01:49:45):
I mean, what is left? You've lost what eight straight?
At that point? We lost the ninth one that night
and then I think.

Speaker 6 (01:49:52):
We actually beat was it the Bears, the Lions?

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
The Lions? That's what NFC North, this is what we
were doing. We're like, we're just a crummy football team,
Like this is how it works. Now, we go out,
we get just our shit kicked, and we get back
on the plane. Like it was bad, but you get
used to it somehow.

Speaker 6 (01:50:09):
It sounds dumb, but like it's almost like how do
you getting that win after nine straight losses? It's kind
of like, how does that even happen?

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
I am?

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
It just goes to show you how bad the Lions
have been over the years. I mean, what Dan Campbell
has done is nothing short of like a miracle, because
I mean Detroit, Holy shit, talk about a franchise that
has not been able to get out of their own
way since what Reagan was in office.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
I mean now ever, yeah, I mean not Reagan. It'd
be more who's in the forties Eisenhower. Yeah, that was
when games were on the radio. Yeah, well they didn't
win Super Bowl. They win championships in the forty six.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
Good lord. I like Dan Campbell, I do too, but.

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
He's he's floating a little too much. Yeah, reckless aggressive. Yeah,
your team's not a team that has to buy possessions
now because you don't have talent. You have to evolve
your play style.

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
I don't I don't mind the last fourth down of
last week, but it was the four or three drives
before where he went forward in his own territory. When
like that, that against Andy Reid and Mahomes, against a
team that can control the game, that'll that'll burn you,
and they're at the they're at the point now where

(01:51:30):
it's Super Bowl or bust because of the success they've
attained this year and the talent they've accumulated.

Speaker 3 (01:51:35):
Over the last few years. So like that's how I
evaluate them now. I think it's fair. I think he's
honestly created the best team in the NFL. I mean,
if and the.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
GM and the carryover parts of you know, Matt Patricia
hired Ben Johnson, that's exactly you know. I mean, there's
there's a bunch of guys. This thing, like once again
is a perfect storm and it has to be. That's
how crazy the National Football leagues. A lot of things
have to happen for you to attain success.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
Well, and just think, like say Ben Johnson does accept
the commander's job, does that offense look the same this year?

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
And the answer is no. You know, I mean, just
one decision this offseason could have changed the fate and
fortune of every single person in that franchise forever. But
he stays golf.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
Has consistency in the headset, Montgomery and Gibbs stay healthy,
They've got weapons on the outside.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
I mean that defense. Losing Aiden Hutchinson's still the thing
that scares me. I don't know if they're going to
because you look at the teams that are going to
be coming from the AFC, and then you look at
the upper echelon teams in the NFC, which they're going
to have to get to the Super Bowl through. Every
team can run the football, yeah, and all of a sudden,

(01:52:50):
those football if you could run the football on them
and it sustained long drives, you keep the offense off
and then you put them in, you make them play
the way they don't want to play from behind, and
then once they play from behind. I'm still not sold
on the drop back pass game of Ben Johnson and
Jared Goff. When you're from ahead and things are rolling,

(01:53:12):
they are dangerous. So the only quarterback in that system
that has had success, there's been a couple in the
West Coast. Matthew Stafford, who started in a back drop
back pass game for fucking his first nine years of
his career, knows how to play from behind, and Aaron Rodgers.
Those are like the two guys that are in that

(01:53:32):
West Coast scheme that can play from behind.

Speaker 3 (01:53:35):
It's it's a well primed as yeah, yeah, like a.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
Well founded point because if also like look at for example,
like the the Ravens, right, they they're a good comp
because Lamar Jackson's so dynamic that I think it hides
a lot of what they do poorly. But when they trail,
I mean they're front runners, like they're they're bullies. They
want to play with the lead. John Harbaugh aggressive Dan

(01:54:00):
Campbell on some of these you know, two point conversion decisions,
fourth down decision making, and you can be a bully
like that when you're playing with the lead and you
can preserve possessions and things like that. But get behind,
make one mistake like that, don't get the two points,
don't get that fourth down. Give the Chiefs the ball
deep in your own territory. I mean, give the Bills

(01:54:22):
the way they're playing right now, but playing right back.
You guys are really hammered. Seasons over golf, ships are planned.
Oh yeah, uh should we put a bow in this game?

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
Fifty eight to nothing?

Speaker 6 (01:54:36):
The only game in NFL history to end with the
score fifty eight to nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:54:41):
Score score a gami baby, that's some history.

Speaker 6 (01:54:44):
Four hundred ninety three total yards for Seattle, eight turnovers
for the Cards to one for Seattle.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
I mean that's how the position was pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (01:54:53):
Possession was close thirty four to twenty twenty five, so
we got some things going there.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
But aftermath, we got to score this after math.

Speaker 6 (01:55:00):
Real quick, Rich goes on ir. As we mentioned earlier,
this would be the third largest blood in NFL history.
Seattle would go on to finish eleven and five, second
the NFC West, losing to Atlanta in the divisional round.
The Cards would finish five and eleven, losing eleven of
their last twelve. WHI should be the last one of
the GM Rodgrave era Cardinals would hire Bruce Arians the

(01:55:21):
next season and bring in Carson Palmer drew one to
sign with the Chargers the next season, and the Seahawks
would then go on to win the Super Bowl forty
eight the next year.

Speaker 2 (01:55:30):
You guys catapulted the Seahawks' confidence to get over the
hump the next year and become the legion of Boom,
therefore to lose to us the following year.

Speaker 3 (01:55:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:55:41):
Yeah, I'm pretty proud of that accomplishment. If I get
we're kind of like a slumpbuster.

Speaker 3 (01:55:46):
H that's great.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
Slumpbuster. I used that a couple of days ago. The Foks.

Speaker 1 (01:55:52):
Oh my gosh, dude, Yeah, that was That was a
slobber knocker. We took one, but you know what, the
story wasn't over after that. Continued on and uh and
and found my way to San Diego and that's home now.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
So can't complain, right, Everything happens for a reason. Yeah, man,
what's your favorite all time NFL moment in your career?

Speaker 1 (01:56:14):
A really cool one was Cincinnati Bengals. We're in Cincinnati
twenty thirteen seasons, so my first year with the Chargers,
we're playing in Cincinnati that January, so it was twenty
fourteen postseason and Nick Hardwick goes down. You got he
actually got hit by Raymond Luga. Who is you know

(01:56:37):
he's met Mike Linebacker with Cincinnati mean a banger, I mean,
just a heavy headed dude. He would just lay people out.
And so yeah, yeah, I mean so it came full
circle a little bit there. So Nick goes down. I'm
the backup center. I go in and it's like fourteen
plays into the game. And I ended up seeing the
TV copy years later at the A frigat get the

(01:57:00):
crew who is working the game.

Speaker 3 (01:57:01):
But they were like, oh, this is not good. Nick Hardwick,
Pro Bowl center.

Speaker 2 (01:57:05):
Who's this guy?

Speaker 3 (01:57:05):
Rich Hornberger? This is gonna be a disaster.

Speaker 1 (01:57:08):
But I go out there and uh and we we
run the ball all the way down the Bengals next,
I mean Ronnie Brown, we got him in the zone.
We had Ryan Matthews going off. He's like yeah, dude,
yeah yeah. And and I remember getting back to the
locker room after that game. I had no idea that

(01:57:29):
the commentators were talking about me as much as they.
I had a thousand text messages, like my phone had
lit up, and everybody from you know, my high school
football coach over at East Meadow High Vinnie Massia or
Ed Claven but buddy yeah, or or Steve Anderson or
Justin swide Kowski or Mike Simone or Rich Howard. All

(01:57:51):
my high school got, you know, all my college buddies,
a Q Shipley and you know the like because the
whole world's watching the playoffs, like you know, all of
the past teammates from my career, like anybody who had
my number, it felt like reached out to me because
it was one of those moments where for a second,
like I did something really important, and like I said,

(01:58:12):
I knew I was talented enough to play in this league,
but I was always hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:58:16):
I was always too hurt to play.

Speaker 1 (01:58:18):
And when I got these opportunities, I kept, you know,
having something go wrong. And I was healthy enough and
you know, I was always well prepared.

Speaker 3 (01:58:26):
And Nick went down, I went in, We got the
dub and it was onto Denver for the divisional round.
After that we won that wildcard game, and it was
just one of those moments.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
It's like it truly felt year five, I'm like, oh,
if I can stay healthy, I can play a long
time in this league.

Speaker 3 (01:58:42):
And I couldn't stay healthy. Tool. I exited after the
twenty fourteen season only a year later. It's fucking tough, man. Yeah,
it is that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
I remember that feeling because we experienced playoff games that
we weren't really involved in as much when we were
with the Patriots. Yeah, and then you know, you have
you know, I can experience. I remember that first experience
of contributing to a playoff win. Nothing nothing feels like
that because a group of guys all been working their

(01:59:14):
dicks off for fucking eight months and it's do or
die time, and you guys go out and you fucking
win and you dealt with all the bullshit. There's been
some problem that you had to overcome earlier in that season,
and it is very hard to win in this league. Yeah,
to go out and do in the playoffs, man, that's
fucking awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:59:35):
It's the best. It is, absolutely is.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
Let's name the game now. These are some of the
names we came up with. You can also chime in
if you want. We got the slaughter in Seattle, scoreless
in Seattle, the Seattle Stinker, the pathetic performance in the
Pacific Northwest, or fifty eight zero, or if you have
any suggestion, Seattle Steamer.

Speaker 3 (02:00:00):
Anything related to just a dog shit performance. It was.

Speaker 6 (02:00:05):
It was bad.

Speaker 1 (02:00:06):
It was I you know what, the let's see Sattle
stinkers scoreless in Seattle.

Speaker 4 (02:00:13):
Thank god you picked that one, because yes.

Speaker 2 (02:00:16):
In Seattle. I like that.

Speaker 3 (02:00:18):
It's perfect.

Speaker 6 (02:00:20):
It's perfect.

Speaker 3 (02:00:20):
Score the game.

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):
Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it.
Rich Ornberger steaks zero to ten on the Week fourteen
game between a team that is not going to make
the playoffs and another team that may not make the playoffs.
Stakes in this game decimal is okay?

Speaker 3 (02:00:40):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:00:41):
I mean can we can we go less than zero?
I mean, I mean, like they knew they were going
to beat us. We knew they were gonna beat us.
This had there was absolutely no way we were leaving
Seattle with a dub. So I'm gonna give it.

Speaker 3 (02:00:55):
A zero point one the first in our be fair.
I don't even know what to say. It was terrible.

Speaker 2 (02:01:03):
That's a score of gami. I'm gonna go with I'm
gonna go with the two because even though there's no
relevance to this game, yeah, there's still players that even
when you're on these types of team, you can put
film out there and they're playing for ship and it's
still the National fool. Everyone's still getting paid.

Speaker 3 (02:01:24):
So it's two point.

Speaker 2 (02:01:25):
I went with a three to seven here divisional game.

Speaker 3 (02:01:28):
Okay, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:01:30):
The star power of this game were you guys on
your your six string quarterback boy?

Speaker 3 (02:01:35):
Yeah, who were you? I think third string? We started
with our second I would say the star power was
mainly on the side of Seattle. They had a loaded
up squad.

Speaker 2 (02:01:47):
This is they were, they were they were cooking something
over there.

Speaker 3 (02:01:49):
They were cooking something. We had Larry Fitz Hall of Famer,
Klais Campbell. Campbell, dude, that's still playing, Like what on?

Speaker 2 (02:01:58):
It was crazy?

Speaker 3 (02:01:59):
Klais is he with Miami this year? I mean, and
he's good. Yeah, Like, like I can't believe. I'm gonna say,
give us a solid seven and a half. I would
say seven and a half sounds fair. Seven, I'll go seven.
The highest opinion of the gameplay of the game zero

(02:02:23):
to ten. How the game went, I mean, I think
there was a there's a lot of turnovers.

Speaker 2 (02:02:27):
There was a strip between the you know fits or
the bibble there's that, there's the hens turn From gameplay,
it was sloppy, sloppy, extra sloppy. It was Yeah, I
didn't know how you like him?

Speaker 3 (02:02:41):
You boys, you boy said you're shoppy jokes.

Speaker 1 (02:02:45):
Yeah, it was a it's a two, it's a that's
a two. That was an That was a disgusting watch.
I actually feel bad for anybody who showed up or
watched at home. Maybe I should start like a gofund
me and refund people.

Speaker 3 (02:02:57):
That was awful.

Speaker 2 (02:02:59):
I'll go there is some exciting ship for the Seattle Seahawks.
Three three, I might there with you.

Speaker 4 (02:03:06):
One point six almost a perfect game for one half
of the field.

Speaker 2 (02:03:08):
Now, hey, the name of the game, you gotta score
the name of the game.

Speaker 3 (02:03:11):
This is good.

Speaker 1 (02:03:11):
This is good name scoreless in Seattle. I mean that
is I'll have what she's having. Give me an eight
out of ten that whoever came up with that kudos.

Speaker 3 (02:03:24):
I'll take.

Speaker 2 (02:03:25):
I'll give it an eight as well.

Speaker 6 (02:03:26):
Somewhere Nora Efron's watching this episode like, yes, yeah, I'm
gonna go with nine point.

Speaker 4 (02:03:32):
Four point four Jack. If this isn't our last game.

Speaker 3 (02:03:36):
Oh my gosh, yeah, what is it?

Speaker 6 (02:03:38):
Equalating calculating ai more point eight five?

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
What does that go?

Speaker 5 (02:03:44):
Oh, it's not the last game, it's our second to
last game. It's seventy seventh overall. It's just below the
twenty fourteen TBT Final Barstool versus the Notre Dame Alumni,
and just above.

Speaker 4 (02:03:58):
The twenty twelve AFC.

Speaker 2 (02:04:02):
God, oh my god, that's not ideal. Did the Pro
Bowl he got MVP?

Speaker 3 (02:04:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, the top eighty is pretty good. Rumor
has this.

Speaker 2 (02:04:13):
Uh, I'm in the charts.

Speaker 3 (02:04:15):
I'm the charts. Rich.

Speaker 2 (02:04:17):
We miss anything? No, dude, that's uh, you got it
all right there. I appreciate you coming on.

Speaker 3 (02:04:22):
Everyone.

Speaker 2 (02:04:22):
Go check out Rich on Countdown to kick Off, which
is Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Radio, San Diego Sports
seven sixty, the one oh one point five KGB Big Rich,
TD and Fletch Show, The Red Zone Radio Show which
you could see Red Zone Rich Fox Sports Radio, which

(02:04:43):
we already hit that. Uh, he calls San Diego State games.
Check him out. He's kind of like the Bill Walton
of that that calling color you know what I mean.
I always remember Late Night RP Man.

Speaker 3 (02:04:56):
Oh god, I met him so many times because he
lived in Sandy. Oh.

Speaker 2 (02:05:01):
I love Bill Wali.

Speaker 1 (02:05:04):
Actually only one time, I really like we were in
conversation for like a while. Every every other time was
like we're at events together, just passing by.

Speaker 3 (02:05:13):
What's up, Bill, are you doing? But I shake his hand.

Speaker 1 (02:05:16):
I'm in the owner's box at a Padres game. Peter
Seidler rest in peace as well. He was a buddy.
He was the former owner of the Pods. And so
Walton's in the booth in the box. I'm in the box.
I walk up to him, be like, Bill, what's up, man,
It's good to see again. And that was the last
words I spoke for forty five minutes. I'm not even

(02:05:37):
kidding you. I missed seven innings of baseball. I think
it was unbelievable. It was like it was no it
was like the third inning, and then I got to
watch like the bottom of the seventh.

Speaker 3 (02:05:47):
It was unreal, I mean. And we got into also.

Speaker 1 (02:05:51):
He was telling me about you know, uh, National Parks,
and we we talked about Sequoia's like the trees.

Speaker 3 (02:06:00):
Long time City.

Speaker 2 (02:06:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:06:01):
I still haven't seen one in person, but I can
tell you after that conversation, I don't need to. I
know everything about Sequoias. Awesome. Well, Rich is like.

Speaker 2 (02:06:14):
Riches like Bill Walton when he calls game, very entertaining.
Analyst on NBC Sports in Sandy. This guy works everything, guys,
I'm telling you, and you got to check him out
on all his social media's at rich Ormberger O h
R n B e r g e R. I don't

(02:06:34):
know how to spell that, so I don't know if
you guys know how to spell them. But I also
can't read that well. So rich Ormberger on socials. Rich,
thanks Bro, I appreciate you, Thanks Jules, thank you guys.
Gosh Ormburger can talk. He lived up to the hype.
My guy can some stories.

Speaker 4 (02:06:52):
More Lineman more.

Speaker 2 (02:06:55):
This is a Lineman loving podcast. I love a satirist
Lineman an l l P ll P ll P. Li'm
in loving podcast. Let's get onto our post post game second.
What do we got NFL comedy casting? I like this.
We have a selection of all the comic roles and
we're going to cast them with different NFL players according

(02:07:19):
to which one we think they are. I like this
or something like that casting here, let's get after it.
Call it comedic roles, comedic roles in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (02:07:28):
Who would be the best stand up comedian?

Speaker 3 (02:07:32):
Stand up?

Speaker 2 (02:07:33):
I mean, I mean Pat McAfee did do stand up McAfee,
that's true, damn smart. I mean Ormburger did stand up.

Speaker 4 (02:07:39):
Yeah, we talked about it with him.

Speaker 6 (02:07:41):
We're talking like a half hour set here.

Speaker 2 (02:07:43):
Yeah, maybe the tight here's probably some guys that the
thing about what's going to be hard about this? Usually
the funniest some of the funniest guys aren't known guys, right,
you know.

Speaker 6 (02:07:54):
On Herald like Ormberger, right, the average the average fan
might not know Rich.

Speaker 2 (02:07:59):
Yeah, you know what I mean, he's hilarious. Bubba van Trone. Uh,
he was like the suburban poet. Like, we had guys
that were just fucking They used to write these poems
like once every few weeks Bill when the team where
I was down, Bill would have him write a poem.
And you have these slapstick humor poems that were like

(02:08:21):
theme throughout the fucking season, like like we gotta you know,
we block a punt. He'd like, and yes there was
a punt that you know, like they would drop it,
like don't make us run up that hill? Oh yeah,
but he would perform it. He put on some glass.

Speaker 3 (02:08:40):
It was fun.

Speaker 2 (02:08:41):
So stand up comic. Who's the best stand up comic
out of NFL players? And Kelsey would be good.

Speaker 3 (02:08:51):
He'd be good. Jason.

Speaker 5 (02:08:52):
Oh, Jason, Jason, Jason Kelsey, Jason, He's got the late
night show.

Speaker 2 (02:08:58):
Yeah, I think Jason Kelsey.

Speaker 4 (02:08:59):
Would be I love that.

Speaker 3 (02:09:00):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (02:09:01):
Let's let's put him.

Speaker 3 (02:09:02):
I think.

Speaker 2 (02:09:02):
I think Jason Kelsey's funny and I bet and he's
a smart fucking dude. I watch him on on all
all this TV stuff.

Speaker 6 (02:09:11):
I gotta say, his suit game and his fit game.
He comes correct every week Monday Night. He's got the
Texas City and like whatever he's in, go to bars.
I already was down here in Santa Monica. Next category,
the buddy comedy partner.

Speaker 2 (02:09:26):
Now, I like this. This is a duo here.

Speaker 6 (02:09:29):
It takes a special duo with some chemistry.

Speaker 3 (02:09:33):
And kittles in there.

Speaker 2 (02:09:36):
Who would be his buddy? It would be his partner.

Speaker 6 (02:09:38):
George Who's his running mate?

Speaker 2 (02:09:41):
His running man would have to be Trent Williams.

Speaker 6 (02:09:48):
No ros.

Speaker 2 (02:09:52):
I think Kyler Murray. You know, you get a little
you get like little little a hole by with like
hell a jolly guy. Yeah, you like this, you know,
and I'm not saying Kyler is a hole, but he
got a hole. You know, he got those He's got
like you got that vibe you guys, I paused my via.
I would have been good, but I'm gonna cast myself

(02:10:13):
a kid.

Speaker 4 (02:10:13):
I mean, I'll cast you go watch dudes on dudes.
The answer is.

Speaker 3 (02:10:18):
What I was going for.

Speaker 2 (02:10:19):
Yes, it's kind of what I was going for.

Speaker 6 (02:10:20):
But see see, I like us doing sort of our
our our loop pearlman, if you will in creating a group, yeah,
like we're not just picking one off the street, like
we're making a super group.

Speaker 4 (02:10:30):
Yeah, duo, go watch dirty Pop.

Speaker 2 (02:10:32):
Shout out, yes, yeah, shout out. I don't know if
that was a great reference.

Speaker 4 (02:10:35):
The answer here is Rob Gronkowski. Man, I like Kyler
available on Thursday.

Speaker 2 (02:10:41):
Kyler Murray and and George Kittle. That'd be a fun
duo clown. Who would be the clown?

Speaker 4 (02:10:47):
Clown?

Speaker 2 (02:10:49):
Oh man, what do you mean like a clown?

Speaker 6 (02:10:52):
Clinton portis used to always dress up funny?

Speaker 2 (02:10:54):
How funny? How do I amuse you? He did just clown?

Speaker 6 (02:10:59):
I forgot about that.

Speaker 2 (02:11:00):
You know who would I'll tell you right now. He's
not a clown, but he would, he would. He would
do a really good clown.

Speaker 6 (02:11:05):
I hope we're thinking the same person right now, the.

Speaker 2 (02:11:06):
Guy that he and he would try really hard at
being that clown. Like if if he got like if
he's asked him to do he a clown, he would
do that, okay, kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins, Yeah, like he
would do it with so much pride too. And you
know he's got like those like suburban birthday like cold cash.

(02:11:29):
He knows that world. Yeah, because that's what he I'm
sure he's got like a few kids that he's had clowns.

Speaker 6 (02:11:35):
He's been in some backyard afternoon back he's been the
entertainment of a back jack.

Speaker 3 (02:11:40):
Who are you going to say? I was gonna say
Andy Reid, Andy Reid, And he's got the jolly sort
of he's just so versatile.

Speaker 5 (02:11:46):
Give me some of them, give me some of the
would be like answer for clown is Jameis Winston?

Speaker 2 (02:11:50):
Is it not?

Speaker 6 (02:11:52):
If you want your clown to motivate you, maybe, yeah, like.

Speaker 5 (02:11:55):
He'd fucking rock the ship out of it. You'd be entertained.
Maybe I can't sorry for having an awesome answer.

Speaker 3 (02:12:04):
I don't know who do you think?

Speaker 6 (02:12:07):
I think we're the split decision.

Speaker 2 (02:12:08):
Here is tough. Kirk Cousins is good, kir Cousins is good.
I just think he would be like he would play
it like I could see Kurt with makeup on and like, hey.

Speaker 6 (02:12:18):
Hey, Kurt, put this chain on you. Like yeah, it's
the same vibe. Especially, just don't make it a primetime
birthday party makes it's got.

Speaker 3 (02:12:33):
Birthday party.

Speaker 2 (02:12:35):
Roaster.

Speaker 6 (02:12:36):
This seems obvious to me, does it?

Speaker 2 (02:12:38):
Yes? Who Rabel and everything I've heard, I don't know
what this is. Rabel is the best, like he will
just I've heard it's legendary, right sort of, It's legendary
within our world, legendary Lee. It's no, it's it's legendary Lee, legendary,

(02:12:59):
legend and dairy Lee, like horrific, how crazy it is?

Speaker 6 (02:13:06):
Like Nicki Glazer would be in the corner taking notes,
blushing like I can't believe you said this.

Speaker 2 (02:13:10):
Yeah, nice, and and nothing's off limits.

Speaker 4 (02:13:14):
Peyton Manning has roasted before.

Speaker 3 (02:13:16):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (02:13:17):
Yeah, but Peyton's too. He's too I mean, he's ESPN.
He doesn't go for he gives like dad joke humor.
Raybel will go for your fucking net.

Speaker 7 (02:13:27):
He's like the old school smokey roast from the fifties. Yeah, yeah,
which is great, that's the right answer. What's our next one?
We have anything else and Jackass cast prankster.

Speaker 4 (02:13:41):
Oh, I mean you could go Matt light here, jack Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:13:47):
Light Dola because it's like a cool way of funny.
It is, you know, like doing some crazy ship. That's
kind of cool. Those dudes are all kind of cool.
All the Jackass dudes were all like cool that just
so happened to do crazy ass ship. Part of my
mind goes here to like a only of him is.

Speaker 8 (02:14:08):
A very cool guy, but like a like a schooler
type like crash test dummy special teamer, Like I'm going
down there throwing my body at something that's more the
the not the pranks oude of the.

Speaker 6 (02:14:24):
That's another end of this spectrum. I feel like we
could go towards, but I don't think it's a fun Nah.
You can't be a teamer that hasn't won a super
Bowl on this like slate, if anything, it'd have to
be like a slater. But we're not putting slate in
a prankster.

Speaker 2 (02:14:41):
Who's gonna be like eating a fucking cowball or swallowing
a fucking goldfish.

Speaker 6 (02:14:47):
Getting farted the fart with the astronaut helmet on.

Speaker 2 (02:14:50):
Remember that one.

Speaker 3 (02:14:51):
This one is the take.

Speaker 2 (02:14:55):
Jackass holds up.

Speaker 4 (02:14:56):
You ever watch Wild Boys?

Speaker 6 (02:14:57):
Also awesome?

Speaker 4 (02:14:58):
I have Wild the best.

Speaker 3 (02:15:02):
You should reboot Wild.

Speaker 2 (02:15:03):
I used to love all those MTV shows like that
and then Who is the Jar Show?

Speaker 3 (02:15:09):
BAM?

Speaker 2 (02:15:09):
I loved BAM. I loved Drop Deer Deck, all escape
culture guys, like their shows were so fun to me.
I think the Fantasy Factory still exist someplace. Yeah, it's
still happening because I know that show does. No, I
don't know.

Speaker 6 (02:15:26):
M Yeah, yeah, I was thinking, but those were the
DVDs The uncle died, right uncle don vido?

Speaker 2 (02:15:31):
So who are we going with the prankster? No Light?
I see Matt Light in the Harry Carey video in
my mind when he's in a fucking towel, only like
he would do some fucking party boys ship like like
in the middle of nowhere. I can see or I
can see that, like I can see Matt doing a

(02:15:53):
prank where like he puts himself in the trunk of
a car butt naked and then has his boy come
fuck and get him out, and like you know, like
those those frank stings to do on there.

Speaker 6 (02:16:04):
He would do that show like pop out of there
like Leslie Chaw in The Hangover that X.

Speaker 2 (02:16:08):
Comedy lead, like like the Dave cerebral. He's a little
bit of gravitas I think. I mean where I instantly
went Travis Kelcey because that's kind of his humor.

Speaker 4 (02:16:18):
He also has.

Speaker 2 (02:16:21):
You know, he'd have a cool story like if you
were to do like one of these like Dave type
comedy things.

Speaker 6 (02:16:26):
Yeah, Baker Mayfield Bake, Oh what affection was driving?

Speaker 2 (02:16:30):
Baker would be.

Speaker 4 (02:16:31):
One of the American horror things.

Speaker 6 (02:16:35):
And then he was in Moon Bay's eight remember on
Yeah that was funny.

Speaker 2 (02:16:39):
That was funny.

Speaker 4 (02:16:39):
Man Mayfield could be good.

Speaker 2 (02:16:41):
Bake would be interesting.

Speaker 6 (02:16:43):
I kind of picture him as uh like when he
was wearing the law the tweed coat and he hadn't
shaved in a couple of days.

Speaker 3 (02:16:48):
That kind of bake.

Speaker 6 (02:16:49):
And he's at the press conference.

Speaker 4 (02:16:51):
He was finding those commercials.

Speaker 2 (02:16:52):
Oh yeah, progressive bakes. Some man Baky, I like that
Bake or Kelsey Kelsey. I mean, I don't know if
it's just being a production owner, I think the show
would be bigger with Travis. See spoken like a true
casting director, right, you know, And I'm just saying the
storylines we could get He's at right now, you can

(02:17:14):
go down the pop star Alley. We can like Bake
is a funny fucking dude, but he's more sitcom. Well yeah,
I mean no, I'm talking.

Speaker 3 (02:17:22):
We're talking FX like.

Speaker 2 (02:17:25):
Drummedies, like Dave, those are drummedies.

Speaker 6 (02:17:29):
Like I want to see you with the Golden Globes,
Come Come Award season.

Speaker 2 (02:17:32):
Yeah, this role and like he's just like he's got
a cool story and he's kind of witty. He's witty
as fuck. He's he's and he's a sly dude. You know,
like what's his name right here? Donald Glover? Like Donald Glover,
I can see that little dicky, little Dicky.

Speaker 4 (02:17:48):
Or what's the guy from the Bear Jeremy Allen White.

Speaker 2 (02:17:50):
He's like the coolest dude in the world right now.
Or like the last couple of.

Speaker 6 (02:17:53):
You got like lookalike context of him and like Central
Park in New York.

Speaker 2 (02:17:56):
What a weird looking dude. It's I know, he looks
like a goldfish. You need like really cool dudes have
a little weird look. No, he's probably like an m
M A guy or something. I don't funk with any
of those because I know, like there's another dude, little

(02:18:16):
actor dude. He's like a boxer, Like fucking what's his name? Baine,
Tom hard Tom Hardy. He'll be the ju jitsu. These
dudes are all doing some crazy ship now, don't yeah,
I don't bark up, No trees, keep it moving. Oh
fucking those days are over.

Speaker 3 (02:18:38):
But what a game.

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