Super Bowl XVIII with Howie Long | Redskins vs. Raiders - Games with Names

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What was that movie with Ben A. F flackwork and

(00:03):
Morgan Freeman Some of all fears, Some of all fears
he had. There was that kind of fascination with their
nuclear building. I was always fascinated by the Patriots, and
it was kind of like the nuclear building. You didn't
get in there. You know, there are very few people
that were in there that survived as a broadcaster seeing it. Finally,

(00:27):
it was like Morgan Freeman getting in the nuclear facility
with Ben A. F. Flack and then walking out of
it and thinking, am I gonna get shot here?

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman, They're Jack
and Kyler, and we're on a mission to find the
greatest game of all time. And on today's episode, we
are covering Super Bowl eighteen Washington Redskins versus the Los
Angeles er Er Raiders with Pro Football Hall of Famer
arguably the most legendary Raider alive, Howie Long. Yes, we

(01:02):
get into his best Al Davis story. Howard do you
call me? How do you think it tough? I'm like,
this kind of game took my answer. What it's like
to raise two NFL sons credible and have another son
working in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
People don't realize how hard it is as a dad
to watch those games.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
They're going against each other. Kyle punches Chris and the
ribs and fractures you bro and his incredible twenty eight
to three story. I feel like the worst dad in
the world. And then we wrap it up by bringing
in a new segment. What's this new segment, Jack, Oh,
A little something.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I might put you in my hotzea brother, my Pepper,
You with some questions, My Pepper, you with some questions.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
So you got to stick around to the very end.
Let's go. Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio
January twenty second, nineteen eighty four, Tampa Stadium in Tampa, Florida.
Super Bowl eighteen.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Dog versus the Silver and Black for all the marbles,
and it was allors.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
This is just one baby. I like it. I like it.
Welcome to Games with Names. On today's episode, we have
a very special guest. Folks. We're gonna be talking about
Super Bowl eighteen Raiders, those legendary Raiders versus those legendary

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Redskins defending Super Bowl champion Redskins in this game with
the legend himself coworker, father figure of my network. I
feel Howie Long, welcome to the studio. I gat to
be here. I appreciate you coming.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
You've got a great place here for people who are
watching and wondering what it's like around here. This place
is you're tucked away up in the end of a
cul de sac. It's like you're in witness protection. What
did you do? I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything,
But did you?

Speaker 2 (03:01):
So? I remember? Actually, let's segue to this. One of
the first times I started working with Howie, he was
explaining how he takes a look at all entry ways.
You were explaining that you're like very survival when you
sit somewhere, like, did you look at all my exit
plans of this this culta sac area? Is this safe?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
We're kind of you know, we're dug in here, so
I mean, if we have to fight our way out,
you know, I'm sure you have a reserve here that
we can tap into.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Well, got how he will be safe? Right now? Oh?
You always do?

Speaker 1 (03:31):
You sit in the room and you know it's yeah.
The guy with the check shirt, he looks like he
can handle himself. He's maybe two ten, you know, he
looks like he's still in shape. Maybe he can do
some things.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
It's like I always say, I remember I I I
was over in Italy with my wife Diane, and what's
what's the rapper's name, Kanye Kanye. Kanye comes in and
he's got a bodyguard that's like maybe six feet fuck nine.
And I said, that guy, really that scares you because

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if he's six feet in a buck ninety, he knows
something really good.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
He's a UFC fighter.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
He can he he can do something. And my wife's
pulling up the camera. I said, look, put the camera down,
you know, I said, because at first I got to
knock out the bodyguard and then deal with him.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
It's crazy now that back in the day when you
guys probably went out, you go to the bar, you
see a buck ninety guy, You're like, oh, this guy
is good. Nowadays everybody everyone's a UFC fighter. You're getting
a chokehold. It's crazy or.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
We've gotten into the you know what's even scarier. What
just happened in New York? And uh, you know, it's
a crazy world we're living in. Particularly out here. You're
on the four or five, there's a million people and
you know, you don't know what everyone else is going through,
you know, and you beep your horn. You know, you
just be a little more patient in traffic. That's what
I would tell my kids. Yeah, just be a little

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more patient. You never know, you never know.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
So in one sentence, why did you pick Super Bowl?
This game? Super Bowl eighteen?

Speaker 1 (05:07):
I you know, I think in many ways it mirrored
kind of the uh I go back to that undefeated
Patriots team with the Giants. It was kind of like that.
We were I think nine or ten point underdogs. We
had lost to them earlier in the year up in Washington.

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I think Marcus missed and Cliff Branch pulled a hamstring.
I'm giving you these names, like you know, out of
the archives here, you know, Cliff Branch Hall of Famer,
God rest is so Hall of Famer and great great
guy slept on my sofa my second year because I
lived with a guy named Cedric Hartman, who was a
great pass rusher from the forty nine Ers and the
Raiders who famously brought in guys, you know, old veteran

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guys that were you know, others would view as being washed,
and you know, they'd end up contributing to you know,
great games and championships. And I would say, you know,
having lost to them up there in Washington, I forget
the score, thirty five thirty four something like that. I
had five sacks and we lost, you know, I mean

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it was one of those games where what ended up
being the difference in the game ironically ended up being
the kind of nail in the coffin for them. Later
on in the Super Bowl, where it was second Long
backed up, it might have been third Long.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
And Joe Washington, who was great, great player, Uh, he
was their change up. Guy Riggins was a hammer. When
I say hammer, I mean you hit John, You hit John.
It was like the cartoon thing, and second Long backed up,
and I think the thought process was we had a
big backer, Matt Mellon, who was too sixty two fifty.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Five, a lot like your guys.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
You know, your Bill tended to lean towards big tower,
big big backers. But you know they Matt would tell
you I'm not high tower, you know, to put it
in perspective. I remember one time we were playing San
Francisco and they were in split backs, you know, full
back on the tight end side, halfback on the weak
side and pre snap they flipped them. Matt knew exactly

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what was happening because he's the strong side inside backer.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Before the ball was.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Snapped, Matt started to run into coverage out in the
flat before the ball was snapped because he knew the
halfback was going to be matched up on him, and
that's exactly what they did. And he still couldn't get there,
but you know, it was it was one of those
physical you know, we watched them on film that year

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and it was a lot like watching i think the Patriots,
but in a different sense. It was all counters. It
was all you know, you're taking your shots off the
counterplay action with a bootleg and Joe thisman and the
Hogs and the offensive line and we were a good
you know, styles make fire. It's you know, you always

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hear that term in boxing, and you know physicality. You
know you have to match that with physicality. It's a
lot like playing Detroit now, where you know Detroit's real physical.
You know they're going forward a lot and fourth down,
he believes that offensive line it's built from, you know,
their front back and the two backs, power back and
the scat back and when you looked at them on

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film leading up to the game, I'm like, they're scoring
thirty five, thirty seven. They set a scoring record that
lasted until the Randy Moss Chris Carter Minnesota Vikings. Yeah
what was the points?

Speaker 3 (08:39):
It's thirty four per game.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, but the total total points?

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Oh, let me double check, right.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, they they set a record that was wasn't matched
until that point. And you're looking at my film like
nobody's stopping them. People you have to be you know,
and I always say it's like Jimmy Johnson and the
Cowboys when they ran Lee Joe Garol Moose Johnson.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Is the full back.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
He'd shuffle off it whether it's dear eye or far
eye where that fullbacks offset or Moose would shuffle over
and Moose was just a battering ram. You get a
double team at the point of attack, and it's not
the first ten times you play that, it's the eleventh,
the twelfth, the first team who's gonna blink? And you

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have to get in the right mindset Versus a team
like Washington because they were so good up front physically,
you know, Joe Jacobi was you know, he'd block out
the sun, you know, I mean Russ Graham, great player,
and Stark and you know May and you know, they
had a really good players and it was very good.
And their tight ends were very and this is key,

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you know, you playing with Gronk is is a good example.
They weren't Gronk, but you know, they were big tight
ends and they were committed to playing. And it was
counter sixty six, counter sixty seven, fake counter sixty seven
with the boot leg out to the left, you know,
so you had to be committed to it. And I
think they got off the plane coming down there and

(10:06):
cam O gear. It was like, okay, it's kind of
like when Houston. We played Houston in the playoffs. They
all came in letterman jackets. Remember that letterman jacketson the whole.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
They had a Houston letterman jacket that they made in
the divisional round to play the page because about that,
and then they took him home. They watched the game
the next week. But it was a big you know,
it's a big deal coming off the plane cargo or
army unis.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
And the thing is that year I'm twenty three years old,
you know, I'm thinking, you know, Lester Hayes, Mike Kynes,
Ted Hendrix, Reggie Kinlaw, Bill mcel Greg Townsend, you know,
Mike Davis, Van McElroy, you know, Matt Millen. Rob Martin
was one of the truly big game playing linebackers. He

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was you know, when he put his hands on you.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
You felt it. He was heavy handed.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
People don't realize what heavy handed is. No, not everybody's
heavy handed.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Martin was a guy that I felt heavy hands on.
And I tell the story all the time. Cam Chancellor, Yeah,
remember that safety Oh godsha. He was like rooted. When
you go in and have to block that force and
you just feel, you know what heavy. It feels like
they're rooted into the ground and they can use the
force their hand to like just move you. My Kyle
has that were so it got.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
To a point where, you know, I had to say
to Kyle, look, stop stop poking me. You know, I mean, he,
you know, just popped me one time. I thought, you know,
I'm in the driveway up in Montana. And this was
years ago, and he was maybe three years in the
league with the Bears, and you know he's you know,
up in Montana. You're struggling to find a three technique

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to kind of you know, give him a simulation. So
I said, you know what, I'm stum maybe fifty seven
fifty eight. You know I can. I'm still running a bit.
And you know, if you guys put pads on. No no, no,
no no. This was just kind of a mirror Joe,
you know, as if you were doing working on releases

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versus A corner was in press coverage and he hit
me in the ribs so fucking hard, and I'm telling you,
I bitched up so bad, and I just said, don't
ever fucking touch me again. I mean, because Kyle's three
point thirty and you know, his hands are like that
and his forms are like that, and.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Played pro baseball, got drafted.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
He got drafted by the White Sox, went down to
Florida State.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
So Kyle and I, for you guys out there, Kyle
and I became close when he was coming out for
the draft. He was training for his draft at Exos
here in LA, and I couldn't believe he was a
fucking picture. First off, he's like six six, three hundred
pounds at the time, and I think he was like
maybe three thirty three twenty. But the thing that impressed

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me the most with them was when we would do
our ladder drill. He had amazing quick fucking feet for
a guy that was three thirty six six, I mean
he was He was a cool dude. And I mean,
if you think of the kids that Howie Long would
have if you pictured that, that's what he had. Like

(13:31):
with what you made, you think, like you have a
Kyle who's a fucking just thumper, and then you have
Chris who's kind of a little smaller but like rat
athletic crazy, Like he reminded me of you. You guys
look alike on the field when I watch all your film, Yeah,
like your bottom end from the pants. I was like, man,
you guys walk the same. It's it's fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, genetically, and you see it with other players that
you know, yeah, are sons of and you know you
see it. It's just and you know we didn't push football.
So but that getting back to the eighteen you know
game down there in Tampa Bay at twenty three, I'm thinking,
you know what's so hard about this is easy? I

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mean you won multiple times. I mean it's with this group.
You know Plunkt, Marcus Allen, you know Henry Lawrence. You know,
it's we're pretty good Todd Christensen wide receivers and you know,
Cliff Branch and the whole thing. And it just goes
to show you just you just don't know and so

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much you know, from the top down to the bottom.
You know the changes, and you know it's whether it's
coaching or you know, it's it's subtle changes with scheme.
Somebody else comes in and you know, you know, three
days in the guy in the front of the room
doesn't know what the hell he's doing, you know, And
it's when you when you've had great coaching early on,

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and Earl Leggott was ear legg It brought me up.
He brought Michael Strahan up. We brought both of us up.
So Michael Strahan and I look at the game very similar,
we really do. And you know, approach, mindset, preparation. You know,
we do forty five updowns in individual period. Everyone on
the other units would watch us, and then we had

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to run. We run the small field to the side
and we had to run to inside.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Run.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
You know, I tell Greg Townshend, I said, look it's inside. Run,
it's going inside. It's going inside.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Inside. Let's get tough. This eperiod. Now, is this the
greatest game of all time?

Speaker 1 (15:40):
You know, your game, your game in the Super Bowl
when Chris played for the Patriots, it was so improbable
in so many ways.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Same halftime scores, yours another way improbable.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
And you know the irony of that is that you know,
Chris played, and you know and listen Saint Louis Rams.
You know, they had to run with, you know, the
greatest show on turf, and it was great. Then when
the team is bad and they're winning three games, three games,
I mean, you could have thirteen fourteen sacks and be

(16:19):
you're essentially in the witness protection program. Yeah, because it's
you know, it's like a I say, it's a dimli
of the mall because the stadium was not the greatest stadium,
and it had that kind of you know, some indoor
stadiums are kind of cheap.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Eid felt cheap, like cheap light cheap. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
It was just poorly lit and I never played there. Yeah,
it was emblematic of you know, if if a tree
falls in the woods and there's nobody there to hear,
it doesn't make a sound. Then when you get fourteen
sacks there, So Chris was kind of wasting away. He
was making good money and signed a second deal. And

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don't forget you know, I mean Jared Goff started out
you know there and then transitioned to McVeigh and had
the run in the super Bowl and then falls out
of grace there and goes to Detroit and now he's
back again. The trajectory of his career is amazing. But
when he became a you know, he gets released there

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he had pops a ten in his ankle and uh
played uh shorter than he should have played. He should
have should have waited six seven weeks instead, you know,
four or five weeks. And he I could see he
was limping when we would do drills. He sent me
film of him getting off on the ball and I
knew it wasn't right. But you know, do I say

(17:42):
that to him? And I and I didn't, and he
came back and played her.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
You didn't say it to him because you thought it
would hurt his confidence.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
It's a weird position to be in. I know, visually
that's not him, uh, but you know he was. Chris.
Chris is that guy you have to kill like you,
you know, probably more mindset like you. Probably guy you
have to kill if you're gonna go, you got to
kill him. And what ends up happening is he gets

(18:13):
you know, he gets released. So he's a free agent,
and you know, there were certain teams that he looked at.
He looked at Dallas, New England, Atlanta. I think there
were a couple other teams, and I think he took
a trip down to Atlanta and really liked the head coach.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
When I mean that's he's a good coach. They were,
they were rolling that year.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Really really liked him and like what they were doing.
And you know, then he's driving a Richmond airport to
get on a flight down to Dallas and who calls Bill.
There's a sound thing that happened. You know, it's his
trumpets from heaven when Bill calls, and you know, Bill
gets on the phone and you know that voice, and

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you know, my point to him was, at this point,
you've made all this money, you know, why are you playing?
And you know he talks about championships and you know,
I said to me, it's like, you know, how many
how many division, how many conference championship games have they've
been in? How many Super Bowls they've been in? Look
at the roster, look at the quarterback, look at the

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head coach. Now when you go there, as you know,
particularly on defense, it's tough. It's tough because a lot
of times you're playing out of position. The scheme doesn't
necessarily fit unless he's the left side outside linebackers that
what he is. He rarely got the opportunity to do that,
and I think that was frustrating. Yeah, but you know
he made the most of his opportunities. And you know,

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I kind of I didn't push him there, but I certainly,
you know, understood the value of if you want to
win a championship, this place maybe gives you the best chance.
So here I am. I can't help you with your
biology homework. I can't help you with your trigonometry, but
I think I.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Can help you with footb You can help with flip.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
I mean, I coached eight years in high school and
you know, did all that and wanted them to have
the foundation of football. And here is the biggest decision
he has to make, because you don't make the decision
on where you go in the draft. And he goes
to Saint Louis at the second pick, and you know
his fade is sealed. So my thing was and we're

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covering the game, which and I was fine during the week.
When we walked in the stadium on game day, it
kind of hit me. And I've never had that feeling,
you know, even as a player. You know, you kind
of knew the moment before. The moment of impact as
a player, to me was always the worst. I wanted

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to get hit.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, clear, it focuses you up, and you know you're nervous.
You get hit, you're in a fight, and let's go.
That's I always like to get a hit. That's why
in my first play always, if it was a run play,
I was going on to thump that safety.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, and first play was so important, particularly in a
three man front when you're playing in the two gap scheme,
and I mean a true two gap scheme. You know
you're sit, squat and catching. It's a linebacker defense. And yeah,
the irony was our defensive line was, you know, the
strength of the team.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
But we played. We had to get the third down
to get in that. So here we are.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
I walk into the stadium and it's the Super Bowl.
Fox is covering. He got the pregame. It's four or
five hours long. You know, we've got our own as
you know now as a as a broadcaster, there's there's
a lot going on, a lot going on, a lot
going on. There's thirty two sections, and you know, what
are we talking? What's the order? You know, who's talking about?

Speaker 2 (21:46):
What?

Speaker 4 (21:47):
You know?

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Et cetera. Because you don't want to be redundant and
you want to be on.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Top of it. But this hits me. And you know,
I think it's Usher, who is there during the day.
He kind of had had his kind of all all
access pass into our green room and everything else. He's
a huge Atlanta fan and you know, which is great.
And he's a really nice guy. And I want to

(22:12):
say that upfront, he's a really nice guy. But here
we are, it's twenty eight to three in the third quarter,
and I'm standing next to Terry and I get kind
of quiet. When I get quiet, it's never good. And
I'm quiet, and and Terry knows I'm you know, I
feel like the worst dad in the world. I push

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this kid. Now, he makes his own decisions. He's a
grown man. He makes his own decisions. But I certainly
played a part in you know, him going to New
England over Atlanta and it's over Atlanta and it's twenty
eight to three, and I'm the worst dad in the world.
That's how I felt. And Terry says to me, like,
you know, kind of like Forrest Gumpy just said, don't worry,

(22:59):
little buddy. Tom's gonna throw it all over the yard
and it's gonna be fine. It's gonna be the greatest
comeback in Super Bowl history. And I'm like this, You're
out of your freaking mind.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
You're out of your mind, Terry.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
And then you know, I would I would say the
giant catch was the most improbable catch. I think your
catch was the most amazing catch I've seen. And seriously,
I mean I was there. I'm looking at him like,

(23:35):
oh my god, that just happened, and I'm looking for
the review to see if your hand's under it, and
and it was just the sequence of things that had
to happen, including Chris getting a holding call down down
on It was like first and then it.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Goes to first, and then they decided to throw it,
and then we got to throw it. What if you
run the ball three times, it would have been a
fieldbal position.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Your field goal game's over, You're winning the Trophy. You know,
thank you, but you know, certainly not from a game
management standpoint, situational football. And you know, I think you
know the head coach probably you know, it's one of
those things where it's like the Chicago game a couple.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Of weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
You know, it's he's gone and yeah, and you don't
make that decision and uh, that.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Was completely the eb refluse. That's malpractice. Yeah, I mean this.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Regardless of what's going on. And you wonder what's the
coordinator saying to Williams in his headset and you know,
what's he telling him and.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
He's checking a play. Yeah, just the clock's running down.
The fact that they have never it seems so foreign
to them that they haven't gone over this type of situation.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Well, there's a lot of there's a lot of there
was a lot of turnover there and you know, voices,
and it's a young ki. He's a rookie. Now he's
played a lot of snaps in college. But you know,
to start a drive at the one yard line and
to be in field goal range immediately, I forget the
exact twenty one or twenty two or whatever it was
in the sack and well, the first first play is

(25:19):
a penalty, I think hands to the face. Second play
is you know, you take a sack and you can't
take a sack and you know, and you can't go
through this in a pregame because you don't have the time.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, and you can't change your play when you have
the like. That was the That was the thing with Caleb.
That was his fault of the whole thing. First off,
it's the coach's fault. Yeah, this is you gotta you
see that. No one knows what's going on. That's what
you're evaluating as a coach on the sideline. It's still players.
Let's let's do that. But then secondly, Caleb, you can't
change the play when there's only this minute. He changed

(25:53):
the play at the last second. You see, he tried
to audible.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
So to get back to the the improbable, I mean
when I say improbable, there were so many things that
had to happen in that half and and everything, including
the two point conversion, you know, I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
It was amazing and we put him five for that game.
It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
And I and I remember, you know, Chris came on
the set and Diane was there, and you know, the
boys were there. Kyle had a tendon surgery and he
was limping around, and uh, you know, just it was
one of those kind of you know moments that you know,
was a polaroid in your head, and you know, and
and we go back to the hotel and I remember,

(26:37):
I'm still in disbelief and Usher who had been yelling,
you know, after halftime in our green room, you know,
you know, falcons, falcons screaming and yelling, and in my head,
I'm punching him in the face. But you know, I'm
sitting in the corner. I'm quiet. And he's a good guy.

(26:57):
I got nothing wrong with being a fan, and he
probably had no idea that you know, he didn't put
two and two together, but you know, not the place
to be yelling.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
But here we are.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
I'm We go back to the hotel and I remember
it like it was yesterday, and the family's there, and
you know, it's one in the morning and you can't
get room service. I tucked him in the sending us
some burgers down the lobby, and we're sitting around having burgers.
And I go back up to the room, finding it
like four in the morning and the game was being

(27:30):
replayed on NFL Network, and I had to watch it
like it, did this really happen? And I was almost
my poor wife's dead asleep, and I'm watching NFL Network
replay at the Super Bowl and I'm watching it again
to say this really happened. And you know, of course
Chris goes to Philadelphia the next year and does it again,

(27:52):
and you know it's a it's another barn Burner game
versus New England.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
What would the average what was the average win? Our
biggest our biggest win total was eighteen when we went
by ten points against the Rams. Yeah, it's usually always
been four three three four, yep, you know, but that's
how we wanted to play the game. Yeah, that's how
Bill wanted. He wanted to control the game.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
But you have to be really, really confident in your
ability to run situational football, to play that kind of
a game without a guest. Every possession, every first down,
every punt, every field goal, every kickoff is important. Yeah,
it's like you can't turn the ball over. You can't.
There's so many things that can't go wrong.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Without a doubt. I mean that that I did the
same thing like three years later and just watched that game. Like,
when I retired, I saw that game for the first
time TV copy. I don't think I've ever watched our
super Bowl front exactly.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
You don't.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
You don't watch him, Yeah, but it was on and
I was sitting there like, how the fuck did we
win this game? Like everything had to happen and it
was point zero zero, zero zero one chance of winning.
But for you this, you know, we're talking about super
Bowl eighteen right now, we're discussing super Bowl forty or
fifty one. Your first super Bowl was this. This is

(29:15):
your son's first super Bowl. Way better, Way better, your son.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
It's so much you know, listen, you have a daughter, yeah,
and you know when when our kids had you know,
now Kyle has kids and Chris has kids. I think
there's more of an understanding. You think you know, but
you don't know what you're willing to do for your kids. Yeah,

(29:42):
you know, jump in front. I always used to say
to them when you know, they were younger, at the
kitchen table, I said, look look around the table. These
are the people who are going to jump in front
of a bus for you. You know, nobody else is.
You might think they are, but they're not. Yea and understandably,
and it's important to know and you know, to watch

(30:03):
your kids have any.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Success, whether it's high school, college.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
You know, I'm watching my grandsons now play flag football,
and it's it's different, it's more and it's more enjoyable
because I can, yeah, because I can just have fun. Yeah,
And I love those boys so much. And my perspective
at sixty four is so much different than it was

(30:29):
when I was twenty five through thirty five raising kids
and playing football, and then after that at Fox and
you know, getting back to get the team stretch on
Monday to coach high school football. But it's way better.
The Super Bowl is way better. I don't. I think
more about those Super Bowls than than anything I ever did.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
That.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Now, did you say anything special to Chris before the
game or did you guys have a moment, because you know,
my parents and my family went ever before a game.
They knew Friday after that I was zero, dark thirty,
I was gone, you know, like I had my routine.
Friday was our day. My dad would you know that
that was the thing. But for you and your family,

(31:12):
you played in this game. You know how the magnitude
of this game you know, the nerves, that anxiousness that
all the guys feel before this game, two weeks of media,
all this bullshit, the hoopla. Was there anything that you
just said to Chris that like before the game that
you remember, you know the things I always you know

(31:32):
kind of And I don't know if this specific thing
that you know I texted him or said, but I
would always you know, Kyle.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
It was because if you played defense, you probably understand
offense a little bit more, you know. It wasn't until
year seven I didn't realize. One formation that bothered me
was DOT two tight ends balanced formation, one back in
the backfield, quarterback under center, and I and when you're
in a two gap scheme, the first step is everything.

(32:06):
You have to mirror that tackles first step.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
And I never had a bead on where they were
going with the ball other than well, that tight end
is bigger than that tight end. If they're going to
run the ball, chance I was going to run the
ball over here or if if if they're not, it's
going to be a counter O T tight end, and
it's gonna be the tight end and the tackle pulling.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
What I would say was I'd look.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
At the last three games, and I'd kind of go
through formations and things, and I'd say to Kyle, you know,
when he was in college playing at Oregon, because he
you know, he played six games in college, gets drafted in.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
The first round. Yeah, all pro his first three years.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
I mean, that doesn't happen exacually when you take a
year off and you're working in a surf shop.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, he's, you know, a specimen.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
He's a freak show. And you know people have that
like God comes down and puts his hand on your
shoulder and says, you're gifted.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
What are you going to do with it?

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Whereas Chris Grinder grinder grinder, and you know, my thing was,
you know, head on a swivel, don't stand around piles.
And there were certain formations and things that were I
felt were pertinent and tells. You know, I'd say, Kyle,

(33:22):
look if that that defensive end and the three men
front reduces down to a three technique and they walk
the safety up, the slot's coming, and he'd say, under
what's that?

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Kyle didn't even know what under was. Gren Fire was
like they do you know what Nickel defense was?

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Until you know what his thing was, and It made
sense because kylein played very little football in college, and
you know in Oregon they ran to play every seventeen seconds.
He said, look, Pop, they were on a play every
seventeen seconds. I'm just looking for somebody to hit. And
that's what he did, and it was in the direction
of where the play was going. And it makes that

(34:01):
that kind of you know, we're looking at micro, not macro.
We're looking at you know, the here and now I'm
pretty much sure I'm gonna block this guy and just
go there because you run a play for seventeen seconds.
Whereas Chris was you know, he knew and he looked
at things and he approached the game differently, whereas Kyle's like,
I just line up and you know, I'm gonna try

(34:22):
to whip the guy in front of me.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, I mean offensive line. That's that's kind of like
an offensive line mentality, though, I you know, it's foreigner.
They're different. They're different because you're a deep, you're a guy.
It's foreign to the hogs man. They Yeah, they have
their own they have their own little language. They sit
and they have their own area in the locker room.
They're always you know, the guys that just yeah, we'll

(34:44):
fucking go do this right now, let's lay you met him,
let's go get to the backer. But watching them play
was far more.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
You know, for example, i'd be I'd be the studio
at Fox, and you know Kyle and Chris. You know,
there'll be games where they were playing simultaneously. Mike, Mike,
Michael Straham was kind enough to you know, we're doing
the pregame, we're in the pre game, we're doing or
we're in the postgame. Really we're at halftime. Let's say
we're at halftime in another game in another market, and

(35:16):
you know, Michael would put on Kyle's game and I'd
have Chris's game, or vice versas. And the only time
it was really challenging is when they were both taking
a snap at the same time. It's like, Okay, which
one needs me more? I think in my head, what's
the matchup? No, it all depends situational, situational ones, injured
ones not. You know, he could take care of it.

(35:38):
You know, it's it's whatever.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Lane, he needs me a little more here, Yes, Kyle's
going against this guy.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Right And and that was the way it went. So
it was Sunday's are as. You know, It's like it's
kind of like digging it. I'd be less tired on
Sunday night digging a ditch than I am doing you know,
five am to five pm on TV.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
It's mentally exhausted.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Go go, go go, because you're you know, you're thinking,
you're and the night before you never sleep good because
you're always going through in your head. It's kind of
like playing, but there's nobody's hitting you, without a doubt.
But it's the same kind of feeling. And you know,
that's the one thing you get, you know when I
say when when you're done with football, the one the
one benefit of being in a studio and doing this.

(36:27):
And I know you feel the same way. I'm sure
you know you and Woody and you know you just
it's a camaraderie. It's it's without the hitting.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
You know what. I always say this, It's been so
great to get to work with you guys and Fox
because it gives you the taste of football. It gives
you a team to work with.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
My friend, you have no idea of Fox is yeah,
Foxes and this is just me. I haven't been anywhere else,
but I know a lot of people and other places.
Fox is here and everybody else is here in terms
of talent, how you're treated, you know, the day to
day kind of function, the respects you know, and.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Even the people behind the camera, like everyone's it's it
seems it reminds me of a lot of how our
organization was. Like we always had relationships with the equipment staff,
the lunch ladies. Everyone had their job and it's all
for us to go out and perform our best on
Sunday for one hour to get the best content. And
that's what I like about it. It reminds me of

(37:31):
football because you work with the group and you're all
doing something to try to get an output top to bottom,
you know.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
And I think it starts at the top, and it
started with David Hill and you know now it's Eric
Shanks and you know Brad and you know that whole group.
They set the tone. And I've been there thirty one years.
Yeah at the beginning, yeah, beginning, and when it was
a blank sheet of paper and an idea, you know,

(37:58):
and here we are making it up on the go,
you know, and you know, trying to figure each other out,
you know. And I think when you're working with people
particularly in a in a studio setting on air, you know,
the biggest kind of reference I can make, as I'd say,
never lift yourself up at the expense of someone else.
You know, respect the person next to you and know

(38:22):
where their comfort level is. I you know, I don't
know where your line is, but I would know where
your line is. I don't cross that line. You know,
I know where you're what's important to you, what what
would embarrass you or what would make you uncomfortable. And
you know, Terry and I had to figure that out
early on, and we did and we couldn't be any

(38:44):
more less alike, you know, I mean, you know Boston Catholic,
you know Louisiana, you know Baptists, you know quarterback, defensive
line and Steeler Raider. You know, he's We're just so different,
but he's the brother I never had, and we're as
close as could be. You know, the corny jokes and

(39:06):
you know he's singing in Branson, Missouri.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Just book a twenty twenty show. Deal with the We
talk about that. It's hilarious, and you know, it's really
fun because at work when we go Sunday, you can
see what guy what everyone was in the locker room,
and you forget like that we are not part of
the same generations, and you feel like it's the locker room.

(39:31):
Like I can see how how he was in the
locker room. I can see how Michael was in the
locker room. You can see how Mike Vick was in
the locker room. You can see how you know how
everyone's in the locker room through their personality. And it's
fun because it makes you feel like you're in the
locker room.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah, and that's and that's a thing that you know.
And I say, look, it's like I said to Kyle
all the time. You know, Look, if you stay in
shape and you present younger than you are, and you
know your stuff and you work hard at this, you
can do it for a long time. If you're you know, comfortable.
I don't even know we're on camera. I mean, I'm

(40:06):
at the point in life where you know, I'm so
comfortable it doesn't really bother me. I wish I could
be this comfortable thirty years ago, you know. And kids
do that and you don't realize the impact that having
a kid has on you, and you know the responsibility
that goes with it. But also what you'd be willing

(40:27):
to do to protect that kid. And having three sons
and watching the grand kids. Now it's you know, I'm blessed.
You know, I really am to be. It a great
place to work. I've been with two organizations for forty
four years. Think about that. I've been a two organizations
for forty four years.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
And you know I don't plan on being anywhere else.
And ride off into the sunset and head up to Montana.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Now, we were all talking before you came here, and
I had you by the way. I'll just let you
know in Prime with the Fox crew King of the Hill,
who's winning and everyone's in their prime? What does King
of the Hill mean? Last man standing? Last man standing
to death? You got to kill Michael and Mike that

(41:16):
that was the one that was scary because.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
You got to kill Michael. You know, if I can
get you know, Mike Michaels. We always talk about this,
calling me a defensive ends like putting a ribbon on
a pig. You know, I'm I mean, the closer I
got to the ball, the better I was. If if
if it's a fight, what's the smallest ring you can
get in? Whatever the smallest ring is I want you

(41:39):
in that because if I can get you in a
phone booth, you know, I got a shot and Michael,
you know length and you know he's hees kind of
you know, looks like Ali. He's got that kind of length.
And you know me, I'm I want I want inside.
I want to you know, hands around neck, you know
that kind of hands around, hands around. So I would say,

(41:59):
you know, weight class. You know, big truck beats little truck.
If you're in shape, you know, you've got to be
in shape. You gotta be the little guy. Can dance
around for a while, you get kind of tired and
bang bang bang bang. I always watch what's Terry doing
this thing?

Speaker 2 (42:14):
During this what.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Terry is though interest he taps up, you know. But
it's funny because I watch boxing reels a lot.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Uh and you know.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Hearns Hagler Geez's greatest round. If if you haven't seen it,
watch it and you know any of those fights in
those days.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Uh, we had Haggler come to us and we watched
that or was it hearns who's the Brockton guy? That's
that's Hagler. We had Haggler come and he lives in Italy, right,
he lassay, but he lived in Italy. Came back, he
talked to us and we watched that first round with them.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Best jaw in boxing, I mean talk about fighting Tommy
Hearns and Hagler through more impact punches in a short
period of time than I've ever seen in.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
A boxing ring.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
You see it in a you know, one oh five,
one ten, Yeah, but not in the middleweight you know,
from the middleweight up in the middleweight class. You know,
it was it was a great class. But I watched
those and I you know, it's it's like anything else.
It's like I I like, I said, how you play

(43:37):
the lead Joe grow the counter the first ten twelve
times is inconsequential to me? It's eleventh, the fifteenth, sixteenth,
seventeenth time.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Do you blink? You know?

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Are you are you still bringing it? How you play
at the end of game when they're running out the
clock and you're down fourteen? You know, I want to
That's when I want to see you on film.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
When when she's hitting the fan, that's who you, the
real person comes out.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
It's inconsequential. You're not going to win, and you know,
but what I'm doing. Is someone's looking at this film,
you know, the next three opponents are looking at this film,
and you just want to you know, I don't want
to get hooked. I don't want to give ground. You know,
every blade of grasp, every inch of end of a play, push,

(44:30):
it's it's inconsequential, but it's it's something. It's like, you know,
I always watch this Kingdom of Heaven. It's one of
my favorite movies.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Oh my god, what Heaven.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
It's all about Jerusalem and Salahideen is is the Syrian
you know there there he's the general. Yeah, you know, famous,
famous leader, and this this kind of English group or

(45:05):
from Britain or you know whatever it was at that
point as Jerusalem shifted hands multiple times, you know it
was Syrian and it was you know, Britain, you know,
the Kingdom of England, you know whatever. And there's this
one improbable leader of and he holds the army off there,

(45:30):
outnumbered a gazillion to one. And you know there's one
area in the wall that's the weak spot and he
knows that and he's tried to reinforce it although their
numbers are down. But when you have to funnel when
you're down three thousand to one hundred, you funnel it

(45:51):
into a small group and you're really you're fighting. Then
you're fighting an abbreviated portion. And they made their stand there, Yeah,
and it got to the point where it was a
standstill in there, you know the dead that the count
of the dead outside and inside of the of Jerusalem
was astronomical. And they they kind of make a parley.

(46:11):
They you know, they say, I'll ride out meet you.
You write on me and me and they agree to
terms of if you give up Jerusalem, I will give
you and all of your women and children safe passage
to the water. And and he said, well, how do
I know you do? I said, I am Saladin. That's

(46:34):
how you know, because I'm not the previous people. When
I give you my word, I give you my word.
As he's walking away, the the the leader from England says,
or you know, great Britain, whatever it is, says, what
is what does what's Jerusalem worth? He turns and he
says nothing, And he starts to walk away, pauses, turns

(47:00):
around and says, everything. That's that last blade of grass,
that's that last shove.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
At the end of a play.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, you know, if you're giving up three inches four inches,
it's something, is that not?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
That's the most raider answer. That's just like raider commitment
to excellence. Well, it's ear late, you know what it is.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
It's and Michael would say the same thing, you know,
because if you talk to Michael, you'll hear the same
things probably that you hear from me. We were brought
up the same way. If I got hooked, if I
gave ground, you know, if we lost, and you know,
we didn't look good. I didn't look good, you know.
I I couldn't live with it. I didn't go to

(47:41):
a seven eleven, the jersey thing at the end of games, handshaking,
the communicating on Instagram. I didn't talk to John Elway
until I retired, Yeah, because I wasn't my job to
be friends with John Elway.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
That's how it wasn't they and to Tom's very vocal
with that nowadays on how he was with his career.
That's just that's kind of a newer thing that's been happening.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Yeah, And it's fine, you know, It's it's like anything else.
Times change and times change.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
You know, I'm not judging them. It's just things were different. Yeah,
how was working with John Madden being a raider. He's
a raider. He was great.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
John's he was brilliant. When you think about John, I
think John when he finished with the Raiders, you know,
he's got he probably interviewed for with Networks with a
stained shirt from a hot dog, you know, and how
you kind.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Of authentically him.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
How do you see that translating to broadcasting that's been
done in a really tight window of performance. You know,
there's a stereotypical broadcaster. And that's what I thought when
I came from from my you know, rehearsal or my audition,
and I thought you had to be you know what

(49:03):
I saw on TV because I never watched pregame shows.
And David Hill had a vision of something totally different,
and it started with John Madden, and it went to
Terry and Jimmy and me and you know, and my
first audition was just too straight forward and not conversational.
And I got pulled to the side and David Hill said,

(49:24):
where's the guy seeing interviews? And I said, well, you
didn't tell me you wanted that. And Terry pulled me
aside and said, look, just lighten up, you know, and
that's what he wanted was our show, which had never
been done before.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
And the show was an hour.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Long, which at that time had never been done, and
people were saying, what are you going to do in
an hour? An hour flies by like that.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
It's only forty five really with the commercial and you
know you can do We're doing five hours or six
hours for the pregame and the super Bowl. This will
be my first one. It's it's it's a lot. It's
an all day sucker. Oh yeah, it really is.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
And you know, by the time you get to the
post game, you know you're you're near mentally.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
It's probably gonna be the same feeling as after you
play it. Yeah, just because of all the hype that
we you know, it's a big thing for our network,
for Fox. And when you host the super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
There's one hundred at some point in the pregame and
the halftime, one hundred twenty, one hundred and thirty million
people are watching.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
It depend on Mayah.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
And you know, if you equate the light on top
of the camera as one hundred and twenty million people,
you might start to kind of think about it, but
you know the key is just not doing that.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yeah, that's hard to do. What's your hack? Green light? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Nice, you know the podcast nice shout out Chris Hey gotta.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Do it for having got on near sighted even with
the glass. He caught that quick though.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Yeah, long knows what up.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
I didn't size you up. You weren't a threat.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
You could throw me at somebody, a projectile or something. No,
all right, I'm here for the team though.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
What was something that people don't know about Fox?

Speaker 1 (51:09):
How great you're treated as as someone that works there,
and you talked about it. You know, it's the interaction
with Listen, we've been there thirty one years. I look
out on the set and I see the same makeup person,
I see the same wardrobe person. I see four or

(51:29):
five of the same cameramen. Uh, stage managers. You know there.
Bill Richards was you know, you know listen. Eric Shanks
started out as a BA and I think manscript and
worked his way up. Bill Richards worked his way up.

(51:50):
Jacob Owman worked his way up. Jacob Bowman used to
go get me dip, you know, when he was like
coming out of USC.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
No I do. I said to him, he's a little
he's a he's a little guy.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
He he was a little guy and you know, just
out of you can imagine he looks so young, out
of school, and I said, were you a crack dealer?

Speaker 2 (52:08):
He just looked at me like, I what what year
is that? Uh? Probably first year, first seven year.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
So I think the thing about Fox that's special is
it's the people in front of the camera treat the
people behind the camera with respect, and I think that's
that's all you can ask for, you know, And and
the retention of people behind the camera, both from a

(52:41):
camera standpoint, floor managers, audio people, you know, you just
you develop a special relationship and they're part of the team.
And we greatly appreciate that, we truly do. And I
think that's I think if you don't have that, you
don't have anything.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
No. I mean, you're only strong as I hit.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
I always told my kids, said, you hit people for
a living. You're not going across the country saving small children.
Get over yourself, you know, I mean really at the
end of the day, I mean, how you treat to me.
And it's a really important point is what tells me

(53:22):
a lot about who you are is how you treat
the bellman, how you treat the waiter, you know, how
you treat the gal that's invisible, who's changing the trash
bags in the studio, you know how you doing?

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Yeah, without a doubt, just a hello. You know, you
never know what somebody's going through. Now, now you had
kind of you. You're raised by your uncle. I was
raised by a lot of pain.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah, it's classic Irish Catholic kind of you know, and
raised by first mom and dad and you know then mom,
you know, and dad split up, and uh, you know,
my dad, you know, was an interesting guy. He's six seven,
two fifty five and you know, a mount of a man.
Worked at Hoods Milk and worked in the projects, worked

(54:16):
at D Street projects, and you know, in South Boston
and worked in you know, a number of spots, and
that was kind of the family business. You either worked
at Hoods Milk, which was across underneath the L train
bottom of the street across Rutherford Avenue was Hoods Milk,
and my grandmother worked there for you know, twenty five
thirty years. Uncle George worked there, My dad worked there,

(54:37):
and then he worked in the projects, and my uncle
Mike got everybody a job at the projects, and my
uncle Billy, what's the job at the project it's you're
you're a maintenance person in the projects. You know, you're
just going around fixing doors and fixing light bulbs and
you know, any issues they have, your laborer. Yeah, you know,
it's it's hard work and you know you're in a
you know, tough, tough spot. So Dad ends up who

(55:03):
was an orphan from birth to eighteen years old, never
played sports, so you know you always kind of wonder
in your head, you know, what would he have been,
you know, big athletic, you know, raw boned, you know,
big guy, strong, country strong, you know, and ends up

(55:25):
falling on hard times. He's homeless on main street, living
in a car. You know, this is Charlestown's a mile square,
so you know that impact. She was a kid. You know,
you don't really think about it at the time. You're
in survival mode. You know, my grandmother. I'm living with
my uncle Mike and my aunt Edie in a row
home in Charlestown. And the bussing riots start, de segregation starts,

(55:48):
and you missed school for sixty seventy days. It doesn't
look like it's getting any better. My uncle Billy was
the first to make it out of the neighborhood and
move out to Milford up by Foxborough. Yeah, and my
grandmother and uncle Billy was the youngest of her four sons,
asked him to take me in. And he's got four

(56:09):
kids of his own, and he's working in the projects,
driving a Maverick with a hole the size of a
basketball and the passenger floor, you know, down the mass
Pike in four ninety five, and you know, a lot
as salt, snow and salt. You can imagine, you know
exactly what I'm talking about. And he's barely making ends meet.
He's painting houses on the weekend. And he takes me

(56:30):
in and you know, dinner was over at six point
thirty and the kitchen clothed at that point because we
were it was tight. Yeah, things were tight. And I
remember leaving there at six five, two twenty to go
to Villanova in summer school. And I got a meal
card and I'm seventeen years old, and I would I
opened camp at two sixty five. You know, it was

(56:52):
like I was to eat. I was a big person
waiting to happen. But you know, for him to take
me in like that, uh, you know, with the struggles
that you know come with having four kids and you know,
driving into Boston every morning, driving back painting house on
the weekend, doing all that is you know, my grandmother

(57:13):
kind of set the foundational, you know.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Part of who you are as a person, you.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Know, be kind. We took in my wife and I
talk about it. We took in more players. You know,
it's just kind of like a rotating door of Chester
mcglock and you know, Sean Jones, Bill Pakel, you know,
you know, I went back to the reunion for the
first time last year. I had never been to a reunion. Yeah,

(57:40):
and I'm just not big on crowds. And you know
it's also we work on Sunday usually Sunday, Yes, yes, yeah,
And this was this was a preseason game and decide.
You know, Marcus kept texting me and calling me, and
I love Marcus and he's the best, best teammate, you know,
the most complete football player I played with. And uh,

(58:02):
and I said, you know what, for you, I'll come down.
So I come down there and you see all these
guys and it's you know, my wife and I were saying,
how amazing was how many guys stayed at our house
that we took inet yeah, and you know you have
to kind of pay it back to a certain extent,
I think, and you know I'm not I'm not saying

(58:23):
it's you don't do it for any other reason than
you want to, but I think in some way it's
a karma thing or something comes back to you.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
You know. I only asked because you since I of
the day I met you. You you you shout family.
You're like your family man. You know you love your kids, yep.
But you didn't grow up, you know, in a crazy
particularly family type atmosphere. Right to have that, you know,

(58:53):
and it is it just amazes me because you know,
it's similar to how my dad grew up. He didn't
have a dad, grew up in the trailer park, right,
and my dad is like a super family dad because
you know, maybe he wanted he wanted to be better,
and he wanted what he didn't have. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
And you know it's funny because my grandmother had this
little hole in the wall shack up in Babousic Lake.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
New Hampshire.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Yeah, and it was the lake was maybe a mile
and a half wide, two miles long or a mile
and a half long.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
It was a.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Pond and you know in some ways, my home in
Montana on Flathead Lake, which is bigger than Lake Tahoe,
is me replicating the happiest moments. Those are the happiest
moments I had. Yeah, when I think of Babouosic Lake
in the summertime and you know, the whole thing, Uh,
trying to replicate that from my kids was important. And

(59:50):
they grew up there and you know, love it. And
Chris has a place up there now.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Now, how did you balance because I mean you did movies.
I watched him Broken Arrow. You did movies for a while,
You've done on TV for thirty five years. Yeah, you're
also you know, you have two kids that were playing
in the league at the time. How do you balance
all that being the family guy that you are, because
you still you put your family first, but you still
do a lot of stuff. It's remarkable.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
The name of our corporation is Long Odyssey, and I
was always I was always fascinated as a kid who
was one of the few books that I read as
a young kid, The Odyssey Homer's Journey Home. And for me,
it's always everything is about getting home. And you know,

(01:00:35):
I'm working, but I'm the next thing on my mind
as soon as the day's over is how do I
get home quickly? The movie thing was fun to do.
I was originally on Broken Arrow with John Travolta and
it was fun. It was great experience. I was supposed
to be there two three weeks and John Wu kept

(01:00:57):
coming in my trailer and say, we make you bigger?

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Are you? John Wayne?

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
And I'm like, okay. So I call home and there's
three kids and they're building ramps, jumping their bikes into
the pool, and you know, they kind of get the
idea that at a certain point meets you in them
out on the phone. They look for Vancouver is on
the map and they say, well, he probably can't get
home for you know, you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Know, a day at least.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
I mean, so the threats kind of start to and
and Diane said to me, I did, Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
I did?

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Then I did Firestorm, which you know, Fox had a
preemption right because I signed the deal with Fox when
I did Broken Arrow. And it was great. John Tirolta
was great and it was fun to do, and it
was a successful movie. And it's playing somewhere every night
on satellite, you know, and I get residual checks sneaker money,
I call it. And it's not a lot, but you know,

(01:01:50):
you just sneaker money. And you know, so get your money.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Baby.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
So when I when I I get an offer from I,
I another and another studio gives me an offer to
do a post apocalyptic movie, thirty million dollar budget, whatever
it is. And Fox preempts me to do Firestorm a
sixteen million dollar budget, and it's gonna shoot during football season.

(01:02:15):
So now I'm I'm literally running to the airport Sunday night,
getting on a plane to go to Vancouver, driving up
by Whistler, and I'm working six thirty in the morning
till you know, sunset, and going back on Friday to
get to production meetings on Saturday. At that point, we

(01:02:36):
had production meetings on Saturday. Scott Akerson, you son of
a bitch. I'll never forgive you for that. But at
one point after that, you know, and I did three
thousand miles of Graceland with Kevin Coostner, and you know,
it was it was fun, and that was more of
a cameo, and you know, they got they were able
to do My Pardon two three weeks. But Diane said

(01:03:00):
to me, she said, why are you doing this. Is
it money?

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Is it ego? I said, you know, not really ego.
I don't really associate with me. It was kind of
like the natural progression of things, and things just kind
of presented themselves and you want to check a box
and say, you know, I did that, and I did
that and it was fun. But here I am raising

(01:03:29):
three kids, and I'll never regret coaching little league baseball
for eight years. I'll never regret coaching high school football
for eight years. I'll never regret that. And those were
some of the best experiences that I've had and they
had and it was my, I think my responsibility to

(01:03:50):
kind of this is how you play football. This is
how you protect yourself, This is how you treat your opponent.
This is the way you play the game.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
How is how is manly? All all purpose? Mister man?
Howie long On? Like? How how did you did you
with like actors and stuff like? Were they all kind
of intimidated by you? I?

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
You know, I really don't know. I think I was
John was great, John, John Travolter was great.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Holater.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
I had never he I didn't have any interet really
any with him. John was I was with John all
the time, because you know, whether I'm in the trailer
and then we go do you know whatever shot John
was in, I was generally in.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
I remember we were driving a hummer and I'm driving
the hummer and you know, We're supposed to slam on
the brakes and I and you know, I'm listen. I'm
a I'm easy to deal with, and you know, I'm
certainly beyond football at that point, and I'm a team guy.
I'm I'm used to that, you know. I mean, it's
I have a role and John the guy. And John's

(01:05:01):
like the quarterback. He's like Tom Tom Brady. And when
you're driving Tom Brady in the hummer and you tell
him you're gonna they want me to slam on the
brakes hard to Tom, and I don't know that Tom
really or John really got it. And I think he
came close to hitting the dashboard with his head when
we slammed again. We'll get out of the car and

(01:05:21):
we're going into the thing where the nuke is, you know,
and the whole thing. And and he flew us. He
had his own plane and he was the pilot, and
his payback was going from you know, from the runway
to ten thousand feet as quickly as you possibly could

(01:05:42):
out in the middle of nowhere in Montana. We're shooting
in this dead center Lewistown, Montana. The yoga in, they've
got a little thing in the center. The lobby says,
you are a dead center in the state of Montana.
And they had a great milkshake. And that's all I
remember about, you know, the yo go in and the
center of monte in Lewistown. But John's payback was you're

(01:06:03):
you're you're holding seat of your pants.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
That was his payback for the slamming on the brakes
and him kind of catching his head on the dash.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Are you not a little spooked? I would be scared
with John Travolta flying a plane. I don't I don't
know if I want, you know what I mean, Like,
I think you can get scared with.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
I think at that point, you know, I'm still kind
of young. I'm still probably in my thirties, yeah, late thirties,
and uh I think, uh there's a feeling of invincibility,
you know, to a certain extent.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
I remember when when I started playing in the league,
I used to drink a shout at Tequila to get
on the plane because we didn't fly a lot at Villanova. Yeah,
you know, we we bust to most of our games.
You know, we bust to you mass. I mean, so
getting on a plane and a plane that big saying
how does that thing fly? You know, So flights weren't

(01:06:58):
a big part of my life until I got to
the to the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Yeah, we'll be right back after this quick break. Let's
go back to around January twenty second, nineteen eighty four,
when we like to go over what was going around
pop culture around the world. Yeah, yeah, number one movie
Terms of endearment. Don't don't remember that, do you guys?
Did you guys see that? Vaguely? Vaguely? Yeah, the number

(01:07:22):
one song Owner of a Lonely Heart by Yes, I
think I remember that a little bit. That was It's
not on my playlist. Yeah, it's was that Wham or something?
I don't know wod George Apple's iconic nineteen eighty four
commercial airs during the Super Bowls. Do you remember those
those Apple commercials? Yes? I do. It was very common shattering. Yeah, yeah,

(01:07:42):
he was playing during the Super Bowl. Can't remember the
commercial really. Scott directed Scarface sudden impact, the right stuff
on all those quoted movies. Scarface say hello to my
little friend. People like you need people like me to said.
That's a bad guy. That's a bad guy. Now, what
was life like for how we long? In nineteen eighty four?
You're in your third league, third year in the league,

(01:08:03):
second year in the league, you're newly married. What's what's
you're living in an apartment?

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
I'm married in eighty two and a fight broke out
at our our our wedding, and it was and you know,
the thought was that it was going to be my
family because you know, we're from Boston and you know
she's she's from Jersey time. You know her dad's names
Francesco at a Easio and your brother's name is Virgilio

(01:08:30):
out of Easio. And I thought process was that you know,
my kind of you know guys working at the project,
Uncle Billy, Uncle John who's a cop in the North End,
and you know Uncle George, and you know, the whole
thing are are going to be the ones that are
going to be maybe a problem. And as it turns out,
apparently you know, there was a non blood family member

(01:08:53):
got a better seat than somebody in the family, and
there was an argument about that up by the head table.
My cousin Michael, who I shared a room with when
I was living with Uncle Mike and ann Edie. We
we lived together. He was my best man and fight
breaks out and they knock over the head table. And

(01:09:16):
this is like my ace in the hole forever for
my wife because I can, I can pop that out
and say, your family, you know, after her mom passed,
frank came down to live with us and he, you know,
we got him a house on the property and you know,
we've got sixty five acres in Virginia by UVA and

(01:09:40):
he lived with us and I said, what why are
you up there? I mean, is it a card game?
We can get your card game down here. There's a
game or a practice every night of some kind literally
high school football, whatever, so you'll always have something to do.
And he ended up being with us for ten years
and it was great, and the grandsons called him Frankie,

(01:10:03):
and ironically enough, Kyle ended up naming his daughter after Francesco.
He named his daughter Francesca and they call her Frankie.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
That's cute. I love that name for girls.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Yeah, and she's as you can imagine Kyle's daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Is adorable, probably adorable and a little bit of a
freak show.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
I mean, you know you could see it earlier, you
know you I when I said to Diana, I said,
you know, he's different. And he was like two three
years old. She said, you're crazy. I said, no, I'm not.
He's different.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
See how he knows. He knows when he sees a specimen.
He could see it at.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Over a fence and you go, it's like the tiger
at the zoo. You see the tiger at the zoo
and it's laying there and you go, wow, that's a
beautiful animal, you know, color and big and looks strong,
and all of a sudden, that tiger gets up and
jumps over ten foot bentce. You go, oh, now, I.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Guess yeah, that's why he's a predator. Yeah, one of
those lead ones. Yeah. Now have you ever used that card?
What card with the wife? Oh? God, yah, I told
that story. Are you kidding me? We've been married forty
golly eighty two to forty two years? You get what
you get? One one card? Usee a year? One not
at least at the very least. The Sports World nineteen

(01:11:26):
eighty three eighty four Super Bowl champions with the La Raiders,
Dan Marino was the NFL MVP. How good was Dan Marino?
How good would he he be?

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
In this best drower of the football I ever saw,
and the quickest when I tell you the quick and
you probably watched some.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Of his stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
The quickest release you could ever have in today's game.
I don't it'd be it'd be astronomical. Yeah, but he
was a He was a guy that didn't want pre
stab motion. He didn't want to change the snap kind
of a lot. He had the best center I've ever seen,
Dwight Stevenson. And you know that offense was hammon.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
What kind of do was he when you sacked him?

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
He was You rarely got to sack him because you
could literally run by your guy and ball out, Ball's gone.
So he was really Uh to me, he was the
best thrower of the football I ever saw.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
You've seen a lot of football is being thrown. That's
saying some Celtics peak the Lakers in seven games? Of course? Baby?
That that was You ever meet Larry No, My uncle
John was who is his agent? Uh? I forget who
his agent was.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
My uncle John was kind of an off duty cop
bodyguard kind of guy for him. Uh so he met,
you know, he interfaced with Larry and Larry. I've got
a I've got a jersey from from Larry. Uh that
hangs up him right next to my Bobby or goal
versus Saint Louis in the Stanley Cup to win the game.

(01:13:05):
He's airborne, he's horizontal to the grant.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
So I they have that statue.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
I've got my autographed Bobby or who I wanted to be,
you know growing up?

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Wow, you see, did you play hockey? I did.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
We played a lot of We did everything in the street.
I never played organized sports until I went up to
live with my uncle Billy, and high school coach sees
me walking through the hallway and says, hey, who are you?
And I might think thirteen, I'm fourteen years old?

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
How tall are you at thirteen six three? You know,
seventeen years old? Sixty three?

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
And you know I didn't even have to put the
equipment on. You know, I was terrible and ended up
getting two scholarships, one to Boston College and one to Villanova.
And my grandmother wanted me to get out of the neighborhood.
And you know it turned out to be, uh, you know,
prophetic on her part. And met my wife there and

(01:13:58):
she was a classics major and I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Fucking Odova. Yeah, man, you had to get out of Charlestown.
You had to get out of the town. John Elway's
rookie season, I remember that now, he almost became a Raider, right,
Brozel blocked it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Right, that's the I don't know if he blocked it.
I think what ended up killing the deal was they
wanted me included in it. It was I think a
three team deal. And you know Chicago, the Colts and
the Raiders and you know, and I and I when
I heard about this, It's funny because I was, I
was in Canton. I just landed. I was in Canton

(01:14:37):
and I and they did this kind of it's a
great docu kind of ESPN thirty for thirty or whatever.
And Marvin Demoff ended up representing you know, Chris and
Kyle for a period of time. Uh, you know, legendary
agent was was part of it because he was Elway's guy,
and he was Marino's guy, and you know, uh, and

(01:15:00):
I called Ron Wolfe one of the great football minds.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
And you know, I.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Said, Ron, you son of a bitch, you were going
to trade me to Chicago. And he said, Howie, that
was never happening. He said, you know that was you know,
it was kind of like they sent a proposal with
I think a corner first round pick, this, this and this,
and their comeback was Howie Long uh and and a

(01:15:26):
draft pick and uh. I think that's where now I
would have traded myself for John away from from the Raiders.
But you know, al uh Al was, you know, a
different guy. You know, I think he he was so
smart about personnel and had a vision of regardless of

(01:15:47):
where you go, Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, Mark Van Egan,
where Mark play like Colegate or something.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Cole Gate, there's another player came out of Colgate. Where
do you play Ark? He was, uh, he was Coldgate.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
So you know, here I am at Villanova and nobody
even knows me, and I get in a I'm in
a kind of a little bit of a thing, let's
call it, in the middle of the season where someone
got beat up and robbed, and you know, they come
to my room of course and asked the company, you know,
can you go back? One kid transferred from Florida State
and he got robbed of his bowl watch from Florida State.

(01:16:27):
And we go down there to get all the stuff back,
and you know, not thinking about how it's going to end.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
What's the endgame here?

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Not probably good and I'm not really thinking about it
and two three cops pull up and you know, I
get detained, and ironically enough, they kind of use that
as a straw that broke the camel's back to drop
the program at Villanova. Wow after I left, So they
dropped the program for a period of time. And yeah,

(01:16:55):
so I but I think being in that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Situation maybe helped me became a raider. This guy fights,
get him in, get him in.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Hey, listen, you're in that locker room at Villanova, and
you're in the dorm of Villanova. There's a priest on
every floor. And you go to the Oka Raider locker room.
The guys are smoking sale and lights and they're grown men.
And here I am. I'm I'm in pit drill day one.
Pit drills like you know, one on ones between two
bags of running back the offensive lineman and you and

(01:17:25):
and the first guy up is Art Shell. I'm twenty one,
and he's got a full beard, he's three hundred and
I don't know they didn't weigh Art, uh, And you know,
I didn't know whether to grab my cheekbone, which I
thought was fractured, or my ribs because I couldn't breathe
because he'd he'd punch you in the ribs as as
he came off the ball. But it was kind of

(01:17:46):
Jeane and Art were, you know, in many ways, were
very influential to be, you know when I first got there,
because when you're going against Jean and Art all the time,
that you know it's gonna make you better, it raises
the love of you know, we're not playing Delaware. No,
it's not Delaware, not the Blue Hen. I became such
a better receiver when we got to Lee Bakeeb.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Yeah, Tilly, he's my boy too, because I used to
have to run routes with him. They wanted to see
if he's in shape after we had to do one
on ones after practice. Yeah, so Bill would make me
run one on ones against him, and then we got
revis and we used to go like competitive periods one

(01:18:31):
on ones all the time. And my game got so
much better because I was playing against those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Well we played, we we were. We were a physical team.
Inside run was inside run. You know, past rush was
past rush, goal line was goal line. Team period was
team period, and it was and it's hard to kind
of duplicate that because you know, and and I've gone
to New England as a broadcaster and Burge would come
in and say to me. I'd be out in the

(01:18:57):
you know, the outside rooms, outside of everything, and he'd say,
you know, Bill, once, you know, if you want to
come over to practice, Bill, once you come the price.
You go to the practice and I'm standing on the
sideline and there's nobody in the building. It's just me
and Bill with that that whistle, you know, doing that thing.

(01:19:19):
And you know, I'm kind of like, I'm this reminded
me of the Raiders because nobody. There was no friend
of a friend, no sponsor, nobody. It was all about
football and that's it. And I you know, I was
only in one place, and you know, you go to
other places, you know, over the thirty one years as

(01:19:42):
a broadcaster, and you know, you you kind of get
a glimpse into how somebody else does it. But you know,
generationally it's different. But you know, it's also from an
ownership standpoint, it was just different. You know, we we
were an island onto ourselves. It was a wall around
the practice facility and nobody got in.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Bill used to whenever we played the Raiders, he'd give
a he'd always give like a history lesson on the
team and the foundation and you know how the owner
got the team and Al Davis, being a coach, sue
the league give us a whole presentation on it. He
loved Al Davis and a lot of people. The whole
do your job thing was Al Davis that said it

(01:20:21):
to Parcells, like after something Parcells was complaining or something
about what was going on, and I guess Al Davis
just said, just do your job. And that's where it
was pretty simple to say it to, you know, the team.
And then Bill took it up and so the do
your job came from Al Davis.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
Just win, just win baby, do your job. You could
put those on T shirts, you know, uh, just win babies,
win baby. Yeah, he said, oh fuck, Howie Howard, you
call me Howard? Oh fuck you think it tough. I'm
like this guy, think my hands. He was really I
call him mister Davis. I mean, part of it's my upbringing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
I mean I never had that. I only got called
up there maybe once or twice.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
One was a contract and we did that over the phone,
but the other was a fight. I got in and
it got bad, and you know he just told me
not to beat him body also.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Now did he ran shit? He ran everything? Because I
remember when I was a quarter where when I was
coming out, Charlie Ferry was training me and he was
with the Raiders at the time. Remember Charlie Frye a
the quarterback, I know the name. He was there for
a cup of coffee, but he was close with Al
at the time. It was before Al died, and he

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the one thing everyone you know knows about the Raiders.
They want speed and size, no question. And Charlie asked him,
like you you should pick this guy up in the
seventh round to Al. And he goes, he's not fast
enough baby, or so he said something like that, he's
not fast enough for out.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Of the gate at size speed. Same thing with you know,
you could say Bill Parcells with quarterbacks, you know it's
got to play three years, got to be six four
two twenty. You know, it has to fit the prototype.
And you know that was in many ways what Sean
was about, Yeah, Sean, Sean was about that before he

(01:22:15):
went to Denver, coming from New Orleans. H And that's
why I honestly think the Russell thing never really worked because.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
It wasn't the make was Yeah, but Drew was one.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
It was a system. Two was you know, supply and demand. Uh,
and don't forget he was going to go to Miami.
And then the shoulder thing, and and and where Sean
changed things was at that point guards and centers weren't
as important, and one ended up being the case with
you know, three five step drops, get the ball out gun,

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you know, spread all that. The fastest route to the
core back is up the middle, whether it's you know,
mug linebackers in in in the center guard gap, or
you know you're bringing pressure in the interior it's you know,
slant and looper with the backer. Seawn made those positions

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a point of emphasis, even over tackle because.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Of Drew Brees pressure in the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
But I think, you know, from from a personality standpoint,
from a size standpoint, you know, and Sean didn't sign
you know, to sign.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Him up in Denver. Russ.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Russ wasn't ever going to fit with Seawan, and I
thought I was unfortunate because you know, and I'm a
big Sean fan. I didn't like the whole thing on
the sideline. It was uncomfortable for me, a little uncomfortable,
you know, you know, do that, you know, let's do
that in the building.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
It wasn't like, you know, I don't know what the
situation was. And I haven't talked to Sean about it,
and at some point on I will. But big Sean fan,
he's watching games with him. Gave me another perspective because
my whole perspective's been I've got the guy who you know,
you want to talk about, a guy who can build it,

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coach it, you know, knows how to you know, hire coaches, players, contracts, trades, everything.
Jimmy Johnson, for he's aside from the three four years
he was in Miami, you know we were together.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Wow, Jackie, let's jump into the game real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
Let's go over these these Washington eighty three defending Super
Bowl champions on a run. The Leady coming into this
Super Bowl, they'd won thirty at thirty four games, MVP
Joe the Heisman led the league in scoring, incredible defense
led the League in Takeaways.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Joe Gibbs Coach.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
Of the Year. I mean they were just firing on
all cylinders.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
They were hitting everything they had, the coach, they had,
the team. How do you sum up this nineteen eighty
three Redskins team.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Well, the they were. There wasn't really a weak spot
you could look at, you know, and everything revolved around physicality.
The perception was I think at that time the NFC
is a little more physical than the AFC, that kind
of thing. But we were, you know, unless Greg town'sen
up there in the picture. Greg was a great player,

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and he was a flip end, you know, he was
a guy who'd flipped to the weak side. And they
were a physical team that forced you to match their
physicality and few teams could do that. And you know,
you think about their wide receiving core, you know, Garrett
Monk or Monk famers Hall of Famer, as good as

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Guy Diadyer Warren and Walker. You know, those the tight
ends were. You know, they were guys who were committed.
They go two three tight ends, they load up and
and the first thing you're thinking about, particularly in the
three man front, is we've got to stop the run.
We've got to stop the counter. I've got to beat
the Pollers on the back side, So I cheat maybe

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three inches outside on the guard to make that block
for Bostic all the all the harder, and Stark is
going to try to get a hand inside while the
center is blocking back in the guard tackle poll And
you know I was they couldn't. They had I'd say
they couldn't. They struggled to run that away from me.

(01:26:32):
So they had to run it to me. And fourth
down I'll never forget. You know, we there was a
fourth and big fourth and one in the game, and
you know they flipped me over to Jojakobe because look,
you're gonna Jojacobe six whatever, six eight three twenty. He's

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just a big man.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Eight.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
These are big men. He's a big man. And the
talk about the game getting so much bigger, that's a
big man.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
Well, Joe was an exceptionally big guy. And we knew
where the ball was going. They knew where the ball
was going, and I'm inside eye on Joe on Joe,
and you know, everyone around me was like, you know,
you know, this is it. This is kind of a
huge moment, and you know, we stuff it on fourth
down or on third and third and short or fourth

(01:27:22):
and dry. I'm not sure exactly what it was, but
it ended up being one of the bigger players in
the game. Derek Jensen blocks a punt. That's a big thing,
and I run to start the game, and ironically enough
backed up second. I think it was second long. It
was the play that ended up beating us. Earlier in
the year, it was Joe Washington on a screen. So

(01:27:45):
the other side, though, Charlie Sumner, who's an old bear
or a legged old bear. You know, there were a
lot of bears on our staff, guys that played with
Doug Atkins, really really tough guys, and Charlie was a
great coordinator, and uh, we were simple. We didn't we
We ran maybe two blitzes a game because our corners

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didn't have to even get in the huddle because they
were in cover one or you know. And our guy
from Mike Haynes Haines and Lester Hayes, and they were
two very different. Lester was a converted linebacker playing corner
from Texas A and m I think, and Mike Haynes
was poetry and you know, just mirrored what it was

(01:28:31):
kind of like reevis it was kind of like that
kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
It was like, well, was he a smart did he
study a bunch? Because usually what I always saw off
with the best corners that I played with, they could
cheat because they knew situationally what concepts you would run that, Yeah,
they would run the route for you because they were
so dialed into formation, you know, Like that's what I

(01:28:56):
saw with like the best. I don't know, but there's
some guys I don't know that just you just say
him Lester.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
In my mind, who should be in the Hall of Fame.
Was a weekend in Vegas. You know, it was he
was up and on you and it was all or
you know, I'm hit me on a sixteen?

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
You know what I mean? Mike was.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
It was like he was just looking in a mirror
and just cover the shit out of him and could
do it all day long. And that was a big
key for us in both in the game earlier in
the year and and and this game. And in this
game in particular, was I hit Riggins one time on

(01:29:40):
a slant and I don't know if it was this
game or the early game in the year, and golly,
the entire the sky just went whoosh. He was just
a load, big load, big fal He was Derrick Henry
for that time, and a load. He broke that big

(01:30:02):
run versus Miami and the I think it was in
the Super Bowl of forty plus yard fourth down or
a third down and short. We think it was a
fourth down run. Uh and and broke a huge run.
So for a guy that big to be able to
turn the Jets on going down the field, he was
a load jack.

Speaker 5 (01:30:23):
Let's get into the Raiders team and we move on
to the Raiders. I'd love to hear why the Hogs
are so tough to play against.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Their physicality, their commitment to They ran four plays, and
they ran them and and and as I mentioned before,
they challenged you to not just play it ten times,
you had to play it twenty times, twenty five times.
And you know, invariably everyone wants to rush the quarterback.
And can you be committed enough to say, we're gonna

(01:30:53):
do this. Yeah, let's do it. I don't care if
we die here, but we're gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
Because they had so many counters, they every play had
a play to counter it. So if they played it
a certain way, all right, they probably had someone watching,
all right, let's run this play. It's the old wishbone,
these old, these old offenses where they just hit you
like this way, this way, this way. Then they come
with here. Then they got the boot here, and then
they got the you know, it's it's old school football.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
I'm looking at this roster and I go Jim Plunkett,
guy who goes to New England, number one pick, Heisman
Trophy winner Stanford, gets malled. I think they might have
been the Boston Patriots at that point. Yeah, gets malled
and just gets churned out there. You know, an organization
that mismanaged and didn't put the people around him and

(01:31:41):
got beat up. And you know, one of the great
deep ball throwers of the time and goes to San Francisco,
same thing, bad experience, gets maulled. Doesn't fit al Davis.
As I mentioned again, it's you know, it's it's guys
that Lyle Alzado who had been in Denver and Cleveland

(01:32:05):
and got to the Super Bowl in Denver and got
blown out. And you know is a guy that is
thirty three, thirty four years old, who you know would
give his right arm to win a Super Bowl. You know,
I'm sure you had guys that come to come to
New England like that. Chris was one of those guys.
I mean, they come to New England to win, and

(01:32:25):
he came there to win. You know, Cliff Branch was,
if not the fastest guy on the planet, one of
the top three four fastest guys on the planet.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
Was so fun watching him and Darryl Green play in
this fucking matchup because Darryl Green was like the fastest
guy in the NFL as well. Yeah, like that was
a fun matchup.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
And Cliff was thirty. I think I don't know what
he was at the super Bowl. He might have been
thirty three.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Man young.

Speaker 6 (01:32:53):
I think as he's thirty five at sixty he could
run a four to fourth we I mean seriously, I
lived with a guy named Cedric Hartman who was a
great pass rusher from San Francisco on they called it,
I forget what they called that, Jimmy Page, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
Cleveland Elam. You know, these guys were really good, and
Cedric and I lived together my rookie year, and some
people kind of questioned the wisdom of that, but you know,
Cedric really was a had a great impact on my
early part of my career and Cliff would sleep on
our sofa. You know, it was a different time.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
I mean not really. I mean we I shared a
house with five guys my first three years in my
career because you didn't know if you were going to
make the team every year.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
Yeah, and I'm making my check was one thousand and
seven dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Now we were making decent money. League minimum was like sixty.
But I had to used Coop Deville, powder, gray.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
Spoke wheels, v Laura interior and a truly an eight
cassette deck where the cassettes were, you know, that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Big a track.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
Yeah, and uh, you know Cedric had a red el
Dorado and convertible with white interior.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
And we were we were rolling in Oakland.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
Law, best two gab noseguard you could ever play with,
great townshend. I think Greg is, you know, is to
me a Hall of Famer Lila al Zato, you know,
I mean listen, Uh, he can change the attitude of
a room really quickly. How he was such a violent

(01:34:40):
you know, the the needle went into the red and
he was unpredictable from that standpoint, you know, you base
the rest of your day on Hey, good morning, Lyle,
you know, and the rest of the day was kind
of based on that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
One of the best nicknames I feel like in NFL
history Three Mile Asle was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
Three Mile Ale because it was like three Mile Island
was a nuclear plant that blew up, and you know,
you just never knew when he was gonna blow.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
So was he the team asshole? The team asshole?

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
That was kind of quiet. I'm trying to think, I'm
looking down the Kenny King was, you know, a great
back from Oklahoma, uh situational guy, Frank Hawkins, really good
full back. Cleo Montgomery, tough, tough, tough. He he dropped
the guy on the plane one time on a guy

(01:35:32):
was sitting he didn't he didn't get up and he
and he was one of the quietest guys you could
ever be around. And this guy just set got in
his seat when he went to the bathroom and you
seat your seat on the plane. It's once again, it's
that it's that last blade of grass. It's the push
at the end of the play. And he asked him

(01:35:52):
really quietly, very nice, a couple of times and then
just boom and that that boy's I close shut on
that flight. But that's we had a lot of flights
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
That's a real deal. You can't.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
You can't sit in someone's playing Henry Lawrence Killer Lawrence
Shelby Jordan. Another cast off, Charlie Hannah, you know, John
Hannah's brother, another kind of castAR. Bruce Davis, huge man,
you know. Probably I'm not sure if he Mickey Marvin
one of my favorite guys of all time. Out of

(01:36:30):
ten I think he went to Tennessee. He was as
he was as country and southern as you could get.
Don Mostbar, great center out of USC six seven center,
which is really Steve Silvester, attack of all trades, you know,
kind of a guy. Smart, smart, smart, notre dame guy.

(01:36:53):
Jeff Barnes, great special teams, situational linebacker Ted Hendrix, the
smartest player ever played with. Could walk in the room
still snuckered from the night before, and you put the
other teams plays up, and he'd call the plays. He'd
say to me in a game, I line up next
to Ted and he'd say, here they come.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
How he thirty two build joker? Oh just by formation situation.
He's just smart, Savannah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
And I'm saying to myself, I go in these meetings
on Monday as a young player, and I'd say, what
does he know that? Why does he know it? And
I don't know it? And I kind of modeled my
preparation after him. I wanted to know everything I could
possibly know. Todd Christensen, you know, not a guy go

(01:37:44):
to dinner with God, rest his soul, but you know,
really great player, great player. He was a great tight end,
not a big blocker, but you know, a kind of
a hybrid guy who ran great routes and had great hands,
could get separation at the end of the play, which
was really big touchdown. But as I said, Marcus Allen,

(01:38:06):
what about Ray Guy? Ray Guy was great. He'd have
a dip in his mouth, a cigarette in his hand,
and a beer in the other hand, and you know,
he was our He could play backup quarterback, he'd do
scout team quarterback occasionally. He was a really great athlete.
The only game I found that he didn't want to
play was when the Bears, the eighty five Bears, we

(01:38:28):
played them up there, and it was kind of a
it was a carnage game, you know, it was just
a physical game, and we were physical and we probably
were the best matchup for them physically. But you know
when you think about talent in their front coupled with
a scheme that no one knew how to block. Yeah,
the forty six and Buddy Ryan and you know the

(01:38:50):
great players they had, Hampton and Dent and you know,
the whole, the whole group it was. And they went
through our two starting quarterbacks, and someone said, you know,
Ray was supposed to go in, but Marcus ended up
was going to be our you know. And and and
I think our guy, our our backup quarterback, Dave hum
who's since passed away. Uh, I think he somehow Mark

(01:39:15):
Wilson came back in. He got knocked out, Jim got
knocked out. It was one of those deals where you know,
they were just knocking quarterbacks out, and you know, we
we ended up having to kind of get through that
game physically.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
Was Al Davis always was He always around? Was he
in the building every day, on the field every day.
He had a cologne that you could smell him before
you could see him when we were on the far
end of the field. And I knew when he was
out there because you could what kind of colone. It
was his own personal cologne. It was.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
It was the Al Davis colone. I don't know what
it was, but I've never strong.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Yeah, well, did it smell masculine he walked out of
the building.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
I mean it smelled like it's Pavlov's dog. I mean
not just for me, but for the coaches and everyone involved.
You know, they knew and they were all puckered up
when you know, Al came out and.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
He knew football. He was coach.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
He coached the Raiders to the single greatest turnaround early
on in the organization. The organization was formed the same
year I was born, nineteen sixty.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
Yeah, and he.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
Ended up being the coach early on there and turned
the team around and ended up becoming the owner and
you know, one of the great historic owners of without
a doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Yeah, yeah, I've heard stories like Al Davis calling in
the sideline saying, hey, let's throw a deep ball.

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
I don't know about that. But if I came out
of the game. I never came out of the game. Yeah,
we didn't. We didn't rotate in those days, and I
in particular didn't rotate. If I came out for one play.
There was a red phone by the gatorade thing, and
that was Al's phone. Yeah, that phone rang. What the
fuck is he doing out of the game? You know, well,

(01:41:00):
we're shooting him up. We needed a play.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
Well, what's the wildest like Al Davis funny Like he
seems like he just has all these sayings. What was
like one of his one like a time where you're like, man,
he's that's Al Davis right there.

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
You know he wasn't He didn't say a lot. And
you know there were I think we were in we
were in constant you know, there was a constant war
between the league and Yeah and the Raiders and al
and you know the we we were a team that
moved to Los Angeles but practiced in Oakland.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
So every game was a road game. Think about that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
Every game was a road game. I'm living in the
Oakland Airport Hilton with Lyle Alzado in a in a
single room with two queen beds. I'm living with him
and Marcus was across the hall with trying to think
of the linebacker's name. Golly, I forget it now. But
I'd get a roll away some nights because Lyle would

(01:42:03):
shut the TV and the lights off at nine ten
o'clock after he had chocolate cake and a glass of milk.
And it wasn't like, hey, are you watching that? You know,
it was like, I'm twenty two years old, he's a
grown man. And I'd go over and sleep in a
cot and Marcus's room And so every week was a

(01:42:24):
road game. And my wife, who was, you know, kind
of making the transition to California. She was going to
go to law school, and she kind of had to
delay her entry into USC law. She was going to
go to northern California, but then you know, we're going
to move down to La so there's no sense in

(01:42:45):
doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
So she had to.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
Take a year off. So that was a challenge. And and
Marcus and I caught a lot of air col flights.
It was it's a now defunct airline.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
We'd catch the last flight out and you know, on
on myday morning and try to get up there for
the meeting and all that. And somehow we did, did.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
You guys same day travel or a day before?

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
We traveled to games on Saturday Saturday, but if you know,
we'd play on Saturday, but we'd stay down there, Yeah,
and I'd stay down there with you know, Diane, because
she started school. Yeah, and we end up going back
Monday morning.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
Yeah, yeah, Jackie, let's jump into the game in the
lead up, with a little lead up here to this game.

Speaker 3 (01:43:30):
This was a rematch. We talked about it a little
bit earlier. Correction the score thirty seven thirty five back
at RFK Stadium. The Skins got him in that one.
How he had six five SATs jesus seven total tackles.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
Both feels good when you have a good game statistically
and you lose, doesn't He'd like, it's like it we're
not worth it didn't happen. I hated that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
These were the top teams in each NFC and AFC,
and Washington beat the Rams fifty one to seven, rolled them,
beat the Niners twenty four to twenty one, beat Terry
in the Steelers thirty eight ten the division round, and
then got some revenge on Seattle in the NFC Championship.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
Seattle had beaten US twice. Playing a kind of it.
I think we were just we were a funny team.
We were kind of we could get bored.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
And like the Ravens. Yeah, you know the Ravens. I
feel like the Ravens get bored with it. It's unexplainable.

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
And Chuck Knox had this whole you know, we're gonna
run it and it's not a it's not an at
you you don't feel like, you know what it is
like Hagler versus I'm trying to figure Sugar Ray Leonard. Yeah,
where wait a second, I've been through twelve rounds and
I don't feel like I've been hit.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
You know, they had a running style. It was like
a zone kind of style that negated our physicality because
you know, you just had to kind of get away,
get in the way and float sideways versus b vertical.
And uh, we were one hundred plus thousand people at

(01:45:02):
the coliseum that game. Wow, the Seattle game, and they've
beaten us twice during the season, and we mauled them.
We just mauled them. And I knew then, you know,
And the week of the game, we go down there,
Matt Millan gets a fight and practice. I just there
was an edge to the group by the time we

(01:45:24):
got there. And you know, because we had played the
team earlier in the year, like Seattle, we had played
Washington earlier in the year, and you know, it was
that was that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
Did you guys go down? When did you guys go
down to the super Bowl. How big was the super
Bowl in nineteen eighty three at this point, was it
still fucking like massive? To put it in perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
Lyle and I, Lyle and I every game we ever
played together. Right after team meal, which was eight am,
you go to team meal, you know, before the meal,
you go to chapel and you know, you do all
that and uh, you they go through special teams and
you know R one or two, you know, you the

(01:46:06):
personnel kind of thing and uh and then Lyle and
I would get in the cabin. We go to the
stadium every game. No bus, we never won the bus.
We like to get there. I like to get there early. Yeah,
I like to get there early. I get my I
get my shorts on, I get my you know thing on,
and I'd I'd go out and I'd run some forties

(01:46:30):
just to kind of get loose and stretch and come
back in and I'd go over my my formation sheets.
Lyle would get fully dressed except for the pads, lie
down on the floor and go to sleep. And it
was the it really it said a lot about how
different we were. And he'd say to me, Hey, what's

(01:46:50):
that one formation that we can't figure out, I said, Dot,
you know, like he didn't know formations, he didn't know
he just played. Yeah, and that was a different between
the two of us. But we we took a cab
every game and the Super Bowl is no different. So

(01:47:11):
we go through pregame meal and you think about nowadays,
you know, and particularly after nine to eleven, that's that's
when it all really really changed. Helicopters and you know,
concrete pillars a block around the stadium. You can't get
anywhere near the stadium. So we get in a cab.
We're driving to the stadium and I think the guy

(01:47:33):
spoke broken English who was in the cab driving us,
and uh, we get stuck in traffic, uh, just short
of a mile from the stadium, and we're not we're
not getting there, and Lyle's trying to get the guy
to go up on the curb and that needles and
red you know, and I'm like, you know, let's so

(01:47:55):
we finally we get out of the cab and we're
walking through the haill Gators three quarters of a mile
through the stadium, through the parking lot with Lyle Alzado
in a froth. So you know, that tells you how
different it is now versus Did everyone know that you guys? Yeah,

(01:48:16):
I mean Lyle, you guess you're huge. Wile at one
point sparred Muhammad Ali. I mean you know, I mean,
and if you're a Washington fan, you know why I am.
And you know who he is. And you know if
you're a Raider fan, you know why I am.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
He is.

Speaker 1 (01:48:28):
So it's it's one of the two in the stadium
parking lot. And to see his face as the clock
was ticking down, he's here's this card carrying bad man.
You know you got to kill him kind of guy,

(01:48:49):
and tears are just running down his face. I mean,
the journey he had going from Denver to Cleveland over
thirteen years. I think it was twelve years, thirteen years
before he got to us, and UH for him to finally,
you know, make it. And I remember Marcus, ironically enough,

(01:49:13):
on the uh the counter ironically enough, the big run
was off a blown counterplay. It was a counter sixty
seven and Mark it got stuffed at the point of attack.
Marcus Reset comes back and he's blowing everyone away, and
you see this bullet come from behind him. If you

(01:49:37):
look at the film, it's Cliff Branch running running close
to Bim He you know, the gap between it was
like it was like the kid from the Seahawks last
week who picked.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
The ball off one ninety two yards, the big boy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
You could see the wide receivers all kind of they're
gearing it down, but.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
It's like a it's like a ah, a group of escorts.

Speaker 1 (01:50:04):
Yeah, and that's what Cliff was on Marcus's run. Now
he ends up winning the m v P.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
Lyle boxed, Uh he did. Ah, what was supposed to
be a charity. It was kind of a not a
real exhibition exhibition, but lot to Lyle, it was a
little more than that. Did he train? Oh, I'm sure
he did. How did you How did he look? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
Do this was before me so I didn't really I've
seen footage of it. But knowing Lyle, you know, he
wanted to he wanted to land something.

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
It was at Milehett Stadium is.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
At stadiumle a mile. Yeah. Now you you said when
you guys were coming over there was a fight. You
knew the team was ready. Yeah, you guys start off
with the block punt touchdown? Yeah, is that when you
kind of was that right there? When you kind of
knew it was gonna be one of those days, or no,

(01:51:05):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:51:06):
I I I. I kind of took it as.

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
Fine.

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
But I compartmentalized things and my job was my job,
and I'm doing my job. And you know they weren't
going to you know, five sacks wasn't going to happen.
You know they're there, They made their adjustments and ran
the plays they wanted to run, and you know, you're

(01:51:33):
you take care of that. Got some pressures, but you
you don't. You're not going to put up big numbers
versus this team where they don't want you to. And
they say, you stuck up on us earlier in the year.
You know, now we're going to take care of it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
No surprise now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
So it's Marcus the one hundred and ninety one yards
two tds Cliff Branch, like I said, Jim Plunkett, one
of the great deep ball throwers. Just a beauty, full,
tight spiral, great great deep ball thrower. And Cliff was
the recipient of that on that day too.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
So you're a compartmentalizer, you guys. You guys go into
halftime twenty one to three, there was the big play,
So you already had a block punt for a touchdown.
Then they tried to do that screen thing. Squire, Jack Squire,
We substitute Matt Millen for a Nick Squier.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
O ye, and Jack Squier's got one job ghost whatever
you want to call it, Joe Washington.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
And you guys pick it off and it's we ran
a jet ripped blue slash, yeah, one of two maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
Blitz as we ran icelant Ted goes inside. We bring
this off strong safety off the corner. Joe Thaisman's pressured,
he's drifting back and has to throw the ball on
a kind of a more of a lob. And Jack
Squier does his job and he's got a touchdown and
it's a kind of a career defining play. He ended

(01:52:58):
up get cracked by a wide receiver from Miami and
at that point, whatever it was in their offense, had
this big wide receiver came in and when I say cracked,
you know backers, he cracked me. He just blew his
job and wired his jaws shut and he was never

(01:53:19):
the same.

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
Oh oh yeah, So how was halftime?

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
Were you guys up or half times? Are like even
at a Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
Were they still long then? Too?

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
They was along, but not as long as No it's
a major production, you know now. To me, half time
was nothing more than Okay, let's get.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
This over with. Let's let's get back out.

Speaker 1 (01:53:44):
You know, I'm in the middle of a thing here.
Why do I need to come in here? You know,
I'd rather just go play.

Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
Without a doubt. We used to use halftime for the adjustments.
That was like a big thing.

Speaker 1 (01:53:56):
We were simple. We were the simplest defense you could run. Yeah,
I mean we we were who we were, and we
were big and physical, and we had two corners that
were going to lock you down, going to lock you down.
And they and that's a big story in the game
is their ability to lock down the lock down their receivers.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
That was everything.

Speaker 3 (01:54:18):
Yeah, because in safeties could get down hill On Riggins
linebacker like didn't have to just one on one lock
up monk in Charlie Brown.

Speaker 1 (01:54:26):
It's a numbers game. You know, when you're running cover one,
you can you could do some things with the safety
you can.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
If you can run cover one, if you got guys
that can cover, it makes the game.

Speaker 1 (01:54:38):
I mean, that's that makes you would say. I told him,
I said, you know, Lester had a he stuttered a bit.
You know, so when you're when you got a wide
receiver coming in a crack or a receiver coming from
the outside the crack, you want you want them to
yell crack. Yeah, and see was a hard letter I
think to start with. And he said, and I you know,

(01:55:02):
he apologized eight three seven five. Sorry, So was it
in this game? No, no, but it was just funny stutter.
Leicester was the best. He should be a Hall of Famer.
I you know, he's it's there's some kind of contention
there with the Senior Committee now, I think, but hopefully

(01:55:22):
at some point he gets in. Yeah, he's definitely I wanted,
you know, listen, cliff Branch should have been in the
Hall of Fame. Yeah, And it broke my heart that,
you know, we worked hard to try to you know,
sway voters to you know, looking at him. But you know,
I think the Raiders aren't necessarily a popular team with voters,

(01:55:46):
and you know, maybe there's in their opinion, there's too
many guys from the Raiders in the Hall of Fame
for whatever reason, you know. And Clifford passed away, you know,
just before I ended up man, and I was so
disappointed that he didn't have the.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
That's that's sad. Yeah, but you know, I don't know
the politics all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
Yeah, it's listen, it's subjective like anything else. You know,
when did you know this was in the bag.

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
This game? Because I mean, you guys were blowing them out.
I mean, I'm not sure I allowed myself to. I
was the same way. I was the same exactly way.

Speaker 1 (01:56:28):
I don't know that I lobed myself necessarily to do
that when we're kind of running a clock out, you know, yeah,
I mean you know you see Lyle on sidelines crying,
you know, it's kind of yeah, it's it's there. Tom
Floores was, you know, the perfect coach for a team
like this. He was a man of few words, and

(01:56:49):
you know when he did speak, it was, you know,
it was, you know, something of significance. And you know,
you've got to manage a group like this. Yeah, you know,
a locker room like this, which is challenging locker room.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
Yeah, but you guys had cornerstone players like yourself and like, yeah,
you guys had the Raiders shit going, but there was
still yeah, a group of guys that I mean, you
guys won a few Super Bowls.

Speaker 1 (01:57:17):
Well, Marcus comes out of college and you know, he's
just the dominant, you know player. He can he could run,
he could throw the ball. He played quarterback in high school. Yeah,
and a lot of people don't realize that he made
some you know, some good throws. And the one thing

(01:57:38):
he was really good at and it's something that people
don't factor in. Two things. One is as a chip blocker.
I saw him butcher some defensive ends. Yeah, and if
he had to pick up a blitzer, he'd give you
that kind of he'd give you that kind of headfake
like he was going to go low on you and

(01:57:58):
you go like this and get right out of the chick,
get right under the chin. And he was He was
just a smart, smart player and wasn't a guy that
ran a four to three or broke so many big runs.
Because of his you rarely got There are guys that
some backs just you just don't get clean hits.

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
One.

Speaker 1 (01:58:20):
You didn't get a lot of clean hits on Marcus.
And he was so physically tough. He's a tough, tough player.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
You never see him got caught from behind either. Though,
Like when you watch his old highlights, right He's kind
of like Jerry Rice in that sense where he didn't
run a four to three. That's a good analogy. He
ran fourth, you know whatever he ran. But those guys
on the field to just have field speed.

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
There's a guy in the neighborhood who's running from somebody,
you know, in my neighborhood. Yeah, they you know, some
guys were fast and some guys weren't.

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
You gotta be a fast guy. Yeah. The Raiders win
thirty eight to nine. What did that moment feel like?
As soon as the clock zero? Winning your first Super Bowl?
Like I said, you know, I thought this was easy. Yeah.
You know, young players early in your career.

Speaker 1 (01:59:12):
Do this again three four times, and you know, you
come to realize later on that you know, unlike basketball
or baseball or hockey, where it's best of three, best
of five, it's one game. It's single elimination, which, isaak
is why you know the game and the playoffs are

(01:59:32):
so fascinating, and and you know, it's a salary cap
league and players, you know, the same players who are
there aren't necessarily going to be there. Uh, And you
know what, you pull one guy out and another guy out,
and suddenly the structure kind of you know, teeters a
little bit, and and I think the ability to understand

(01:59:57):
the significance of the moment. This team probably should have
maybe won in eighty two, should have won maybe in
eighty five, and we probably weren't. Maybe it's a muffed
kickoff or a muffed punt or something something that ends

(02:00:19):
up knocking you out when in reality the next matchup,
we were probably better shooted for that matchup than the
team that was going forward. Yeah, and you know that's
on you, that's on your your group. And it's unlike
baseball basketball. You know, it's a couple of players that
there's a lot going on.

Speaker 2 (02:00:38):
There's no same team ever, No players and coaches leave
every single time. Nobody cares about yesterday. No one cares
about yesterday.

Speaker 1 (02:00:46):
No, no, And that's why I was always it was
kind of like what was that movie with Ben a
Fleckwerk and Morgan Freeman about the nuclear bomb and Russia.
You know, the fascination that Morgan Freeman had as a
government agent, some of all fears he had, there was

(02:01:08):
that kind of fascination with their nuclear building. I was
always fascinated by the patriots. Then building was kind of
like the nuclear building. You didn't get in there. You know,
there are very few people that were in there that survived.
You were killed off somehow poisoned car runs you over, whatever,

(02:01:33):
heart attack to a perfectly healthy person. So for me too,
I was always fascinated as a broadcaster by the Patriots
and your group and Bill and the way you went
about your business, and you know, was wanted to get
in the building. And it was like Morgan Freeman getting

(02:01:53):
in the nuclear facility with Ben Affleck and seeing it
finally and then walking out of it and thinking, am
I gonna get shot here?

Speaker 2 (02:02:04):
Did Ben Affleck ever asked you to be in the town? No? No,
I know that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:09):
You know what they they nailed it. That's it's based
on a book. I think, Uh Canlanergen book? Let me
double check Prince of Thieves or something, or maybe I'm
wrong on that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
My grandma's from Charlestown and that movie starts with like
Charlestown has the highest rate of per capita bank robbers, and.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
The robbers in the country more unsolved murders.

Speaker 2 (02:02:31):
He's like, that's not true, that's not true.

Speaker 1 (02:02:33):
You know, And and really what you're doing is you're
in that movie, and and and they they captured maybe
the the a small element.

Speaker 2 (02:02:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:02:45):
We did have a lot of bank robbers, there were
a lot of stolen cars, There were a lot of
unsolved murders. But there are a lot of good people there,
you know, very Irish Catholic neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (02:02:57):
What was the book, Prince of Thieves four? I was wrong.
It's a chuck open book.

Speaker 1 (02:03:01):
It took place in an earlier time, but it was
set in present day, So in present day, that's not
what Charlestown was really like.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
At that time.

Speaker 1 (02:03:12):
It was like that when I was growing up, you know,
I wasn't a particularly tough kid, you know, so I
didn't figure it out.

Speaker 2 (02:03:21):
It's kind of like Kyle.

Speaker 1 (02:03:23):
I didn't figure it out until I was like fifteen
or sixteen.

Speaker 2 (02:03:28):
That wait a second, I don't have to take this shit. Yeah,
you know, And.

Speaker 1 (02:03:34):
Going coming from there, you know, is a I think
it is a good foundation, without a doubt.

Speaker 2 (02:03:40):
There's some tough, strong people there.

Speaker 1 (02:03:42):
And you know, you you look back on it, you go,
you know, could what I've made things different? I don't
know that I would, you know, And and did anyone
think when I left there that I was gonna. I
had never played organized sports. We played in the street,
you know, we play played football on Rutherford Avenue in

(02:04:02):
the the whatever. That building was next to Hood's Milk
and the field was ten feet wide and you were
right on the right on the freeway there. And when
you ran that out route, you were really dedicated, you
are because if you get pushed out of bounce.

Speaker 2 (02:04:19):
Could get hit, could get hit, could get hit.

Speaker 1 (02:04:22):
Yeah, so you know, everything was done on blacktop and
played baseball. No coaches, no parents, nothing, So you really
the kind of foundational, kind of structure of sports to
me was learned there. Now later on I ended up,
you know, playing football in high school and college and

(02:04:43):
you know, box a little bit and you know, did
that and.

Speaker 2 (02:04:48):
Just grew.

Speaker 1 (02:04:50):
And when I got drafted, my wife and I can't
remember where we were because I you know, people work
out when you're in college and you're you know you're
a prospect, particularly if you're a first round, second round prospect,
you know you'll have a pro day. We didn't have
a pro day. I worked out thirty four.

Speaker 2 (02:05:09):
Times in the snow, in the rain.

Speaker 1 (02:05:12):
I ran a forty on the front lawn of my
dorm for a guy that was just checking a box
because you know, most teams were not gonna draft me.
Al Davis, did you know saw something in me that
you know that I didn't see in myself? Really tell
you the truth, Na.

Speaker 2 (02:05:33):
I didn't. You know. It was like Billanova was perfect
for me. But that's what made you you that insecurity? Yeah,
you know, and that's why you prepare. And I see
it in your eye.

Speaker 1 (02:05:43):
You never take anything for granted. And people make fun
of me work because I write, I'm always writing, I'm
always I'm I'm a I try to do things. I
try to. There's nothing, there's nothing I leave for chance.
I control as much much as you can control, the
rest of it will take care of itself. Yeah, you know,

(02:06:06):
give yourself the best possible chance to be successful in
anything you do.

Speaker 2 (02:06:09):
You know, and you did. I mean, you've not only
had an unbelievable football career, you're you've been in my
house since I was before I can remember on my
TV watching football thirty one years, a long time. It's
it's outrageous. I mean, that's that's the crazy thing is
people probably recognize you now more, way more for what

(02:06:30):
you've done off the field. Which is that is the
coolest thing ever.

Speaker 1 (02:06:34):
You go into seven eleven and you know, and the
guy looks at you like you look a lot, like
HOWI long? I say, yeah, I am get out? What
are you doing in here? I said, getting some gum?
You think I got somebody who goes in to get
the GUMMB.

Speaker 2 (02:06:53):
Guy them guys, I love seven elevens. You know, it's
it's most people are really nice. No, people are very.

Speaker 3 (02:07:01):
Nice, Jackie. What's aftermath of this game? Marcus Allen goes
on to win Super Bowl MVP. In this one, twenty
carries one hundred and ninety one yards two TVs. The
Raiders become the first team to score in all three phases.
Pretty crazy. Block punt pick six duchouns on offense and
this in a Super Bowl pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:07:23):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:07:23):
They become the second team in NFL history with three
Super Bowls, right there with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 2 (02:07:28):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:07:29):
They would go eleven and five the next season, finishing
third in the AFC West. Redskins would go eleven and
five the next season, women in FC East and fall
to Chicago in the divisional round, but Joe Gibbs would
going to win two more super Bowls after this, uh
and this would be the last Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (02:07:45):
Good Manders Terry and I just did his last year
of the year before. We did his huge charity event
up there, and he's he's he walks that, he talks
and he's you know, he's the real deal.

Speaker 2 (02:07:58):
You never heard anyone say anything bad about Joe Gibbs
was a good.

Speaker 1 (02:08:02):
Man, you know what I found out. And the last
time I was there was Doug Williams was they had
a kind of a verbal agreement. It was it wasn't finalized,
but Doug Williams was traded to Al Davis and the
Raiders while I was there, and we end up we

(02:08:24):
end up getting h Jay Schrader. Uh So Williams, who
is the prototypical Raider quarterback throws the nine route, the
you know, the deep, the deep, strong seam route, big strong,
athletic cannon for an arm Terry would have been great

(02:08:46):
in our system too. And then I see there we
make the transition to uh Fox and you know, Kenny
Stabler's you know, he's one of those kind of it's
he's become like a folklore.

Speaker 2 (02:09:03):
You know, the stories about him are crazy, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:09:07):
Stories about a lot of people were crazy, and you
know a lot of them were probably true.

Speaker 2 (02:09:13):
We'd be we'd be crazy not to ask how we long?
What does it mean to be a Raider? It's hard
to kind of sum it up, but it's it's the
same thing that you probably get from people always asking
me the Patriot way. Everyone asks you what does it
mean to be a Raiate?

Speaker 1 (02:09:28):
It's it's toughness, it's you know, it's when when I
first got there, it was really interesting because you know
that guy on the left, Al Davis's is he's an iconic,
you know, in the history of the NFL, between being
the commissioner of the AFL and you know, then going

(02:09:51):
over to the Raiders and coaching the Raiders and then
you know, building three championship teams and drafting guys like
I said, I think our shell's.

Speaker 2 (02:10:02):
Out of.

Speaker 1 (02:10:04):
Eastern Maryland Shores. You know, Willie Brown brings in Willie
Brown and Maryland what is.

Speaker 3 (02:10:14):
It Maryland State which is now University of Maryland Eastern
short correct?

Speaker 2 (02:10:19):
Right? Where did he? How did he? You know?

Speaker 1 (02:10:23):
There there was a scouting element and nobody in the
building had a title, So ron Wolf was a GM.
But you get there and you look around and you say,
what does greatness look like?

Speaker 2 (02:10:36):
It's everywhere.

Speaker 1 (02:10:38):
It's Al Davis, it's Ron Wolf, it's Tom Floory's, it's Archell,
It's Gene Upshaw, Freddie Blittnakoff is on the staff, Willie
Brown's on the staff, Cliff branch Ted, Hendrix, Lyle Alzado.
You know, everywhere you look, you know, there's and guys

(02:11:00):
that Jim Otto, you know, it's it's it's the ghosts
of Christmas Past. You know, it's you walked through the
Hall of Fame, and you know it's littered with the
guys I'm talking about. And they were more than happy
with as long as you were, you fit all the criteria,

(02:11:23):
you were tough, you worked hard. You know, they would
bring you along, you know, and and I, in turn,
later on brought guys along. And that was part of
our organizational. What made the organization special was and I
couldn't imagine playing anywhere else. I couldn't imagine putting on

(02:11:43):
any other uniform. But I was always intrigued by you know,
I'd watch Minnesota, you know, with Doleman and you know,
you know the groups when when I was playing, Yeah,
they ran you know, four man front.

Speaker 2 (02:11:59):
That was the Bears.

Speaker 1 (02:12:00):
I watched the Bears play in their forty six defense,
I'd say, what would it be like to play in
that defense? You know, I'm playing in a two gap sit,
squat and catch and hope you get the third down.
But there's no place I'd rather be.

Speaker 2 (02:12:15):
I feel the same way as a Patriot, though. Sure, Sure,
that's the cool thing about you know where we're at,
a lot of the guys played all of them one
one team. There's not many of those at Fox.

Speaker 1 (02:12:31):
You know, I've been with two teams for forty four years,
you know, Fox and the Raiders. And I'm not I.
And that's me. I'm not you know, I don't change outfits. Well,
I mean, I'm I I. And then it's funny because
yesterday I was in al Segundo and our practice facility
used to be in a middle school in al Gondo. Yeah,

(02:12:53):
And I remember driving to work the same route every
day because if I didn't drive the same route every day,
something might happen.

Speaker 2 (02:13:07):
And I don't know whether I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:13:08):
I'm not superstitious per se, but I was about football.

Speaker 2 (02:13:13):
I was about football that superstitious You drove the same
route every day. Yeah, that's what I'm saying back. That's
pretty sick. That's superstitious totally.

Speaker 1 (02:13:21):
And you don't realize it at the time. But I
got dressed a certain way. I got you know, my routine,
my dinner on Saturday, my everything had to be the
exact same, you know. And I stood in the same
place for the national anthem. I you know, there were
things that I did. I always did my forties, you know,

(02:13:45):
before anybody got there.

Speaker 2 (02:13:46):
And you know, if we cut your if we cut
your legs off from like your femur, I think that
would be me because I'm like the same way with
all that stuff. Yeah, I was the same way with routine, routine, routine,
And I would always say I wasn't superstitious, but I
was super issues as fuck. I laid out my my
my I would lay up my my uniform the same way.
I would eat the same thing every night because that's

(02:14:08):
I did it good once with that, so I thought
I would always be like that.

Speaker 1 (02:14:11):
Driving through El Segundo yesterday, uh, you know, doing a
sketcher spot, it reminded me of that whole thing. And
I'm not really a I'm not really an LA guy.
So you know, it wasn't for us, and I wanted
to raise the boys somewhere else. Virginia was a good

(02:14:33):
choice and doing that. But uh, and the the funny
thing is you winning here is different than winning in
New England. Oh yeah, because winning here. We were a
team that came from Oakland. We went to LA. We
won in our second year here. They never had a championship,

(02:14:56):
I never had a Super Bowl champion here. Still have
an amazing fan base down here. You know a lot
of people travel to Vegas from LA from Oakland. We're
kind of the Southwest Raiders, without a doubt. And but
you win here, if you're the Dodgers or you're the Lakers,

(02:15:16):
it's special. But you kind of feel like it's the
championship that doesn't have a home or like a ship,
what's what's that? In the Tom Cruise Law Firm movie,
The Firm, The Firm, he's talking to the two mobster
guys that the firm represents and he says, I'm a

(02:15:37):
lot like a ship that's carrying a cargo that will
never reach port and that team, there's a void to me.
You go back to Boston and it's special.

Speaker 2 (02:15:53):
Yeah, LA really transplant It's tough. It's you're competing with
so many different things.

Speaker 1 (02:15:59):
It's the Yellows Island of There are people from Chicago,
there are people from Detroit, there are people from There's
more bars here that have that people go to from
another city to watch a football game on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (02:16:15):
Sonny Mcleans, Sonny McLean's Boston Bar, Baby Monica.

Speaker 1 (02:16:19):
That doesn't happen in Cleveland, That doesn't happen in Pittsburgh,
that doesn't happen in Chicago, that doesn't happen in New England.

Speaker 2 (02:16:27):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (02:16:29):
That is crazy to think.

Speaker 2 (02:16:30):
Yeah, but yeah. The Raiders, I feel, are different. They're
not an LA team like you said, They're a South pirateship.
That's the best way for them to do it, to
go leave Oakland, win it in here and then go
back like that.

Speaker 1 (02:16:44):
And we got to win in Vegas. That's The stadium
is amazing. It's it's beautiful. It's probably as emblematic of
any franchise from a stadium standpoint, visual rates, state, visually great.
It's like it's like the death star Land did in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (02:17:01):
No, it really is.

Speaker 1 (02:17:02):
And the practice facility beautiful, amazing, Our practice facility. There
was always like a hammer and a two by four
in every meeting room, and they were like those those
shutters that you know in cheap buildings, where you know
you can between the linebacker meeting and the defensive line meeting.
If there was an argument in our room or there
was a fight breaking out, Matt Miller will be peeking around.

Speaker 2 (02:17:22):
The divide the room, divide the room.

Speaker 1 (02:17:25):
So you know, Mark has done a They've gone from
thirty second, thirty first in revenue to top five, and
you know, it's great. We just got to get some
stability and you know, and the quarterback, and that's what
you need. You know, listen, that's what everyone needs. It's
it's the hardest position to forecast, going from middle school,

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high school, high school to college, college to pros and
if you don't go to the right place. And I
thought Williams is going to a great place in Chicago.
But the thing I didn't factor in was the coordinator
and the old line was last year was young as
sending offensive line. If you're not if you're not putting

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together the proper game plan to give the quarterback the
young quarterback answers to every situation and meshing the run
game with the pass game and bootlegs and taking advantage
of what he does. Well, see Jade and Daniels whose
coordinator was in the building in Chicago and they never
even offered him. Now, I love the GM there and

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I love what they've built there from a personnel standpoint,
but he made a mistake with the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (02:18:40):
Yeah, I got a couple takes on that. I think
there's about fourteen million because I like the kid. I
think the kid's good. I think he's doing good, and
he's progressed and he's improved, and he's shown probably.

Speaker 1 (02:18:51):
Drive that drive from the one yard line, a couple
of them in Detroit. No, the one in Detroit at
the end of the game, the one yard line and
you're in you're in position at the very least, we're
going overtime. How does that not happen? Well, well, you
see the the autopsy on that is you know there.
It was multiple causes.

Speaker 2 (02:19:13):
It was multiple Yeah, man, we got to score the
game now real quick. We were taken so much time
from from Howie. We appreciate you. We got to name
the game out of any of these names, the Silver
and Black beat Down, the Slaughter of the Hogs, the
black Hole one. This one's for al the Marcus Allen games. Easy,

(02:19:35):
which one is it? It's one of the final two.
Just win, baby, or just one baby.

Speaker 1 (02:19:41):
That might be a new T shirt. You and I
should do that. Don't put that out there publicly. You
and I will do it.

Speaker 2 (02:19:47):
Just one Mark, cut the check. Let's go just one baby, baby?
Score the game? Is this the greatest game of all time?
Let's score it? Stakes zero to ten? Decimal z okay,
the stakes of this Super Bowl game? The first? Is
this the first? No? Is this the first of the Raiders?

Speaker 3 (02:20:06):
Third?

Speaker 2 (02:20:06):
Third? Third?

Speaker 1 (02:20:08):
We'd won an eighty one one? The first wildcard team
is the wildcard inception to win that game? And that
team you want to talk about, you know, bag of
bonds and cast off. They It was amazing. It was
amazing that they were and then they won to beat
the Eagles.

Speaker 2 (02:20:26):
And stake zero to ten. That you got to store
this game, I would say at that time, because it
was such a lopsided they were favored I think by nine.

Speaker 3 (02:20:37):
Yeah, Raiders were big underdogs.

Speaker 1 (02:20:39):
Yeah, huge underdogs. It was an afterthought that we were.
We were just you know, we were kind of the
you know, the guy that gets killed in seene one. Yeah,
you know, uh and uh and turns out we you know,
end up being the leading man.

Speaker 2 (02:20:54):
Yeah. Uh you know. And it's a huge win. It's
a one.

Speaker 1 (02:20:58):
It's number three for the team, you know, and three
super Bowls look a lot better than one super Bowl
or even two.

Speaker 2 (02:21:07):
Uh. Star power, Marcus Allen, you had to score it though,
the stakes of the game, the stakes of the game,
I'd say probably at that point, probably a nine nine
I believe nine two. Yeah, I think because of the
Jack Washington's. Washington was a runaway truck. They set every

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record to this point in the NFL for offense. Yeah,
I mean, this was this was a big win. Jack nine.
I had a nine to one.

Speaker 1 (02:21:37):
Yeah, I mean I'd have gone nine to five, but
I mean I don't want to be too much of that. Hey,
I'm glazing. I'm glazing.

Speaker 2 (02:21:43):
Star Power zero to ten decimals, Okay, a lot of
stars on this lot of Hall of famers.

Speaker 1 (02:21:47):
Yeah, Ed Hendrix, Yeah, Al Davis, you know, Gibbs, Gibbs,
thives men, you know, uh yeah, Riggins, the Hogs, uh,
you know, our our defense, Ted Hendricks, Lyle Alzado.

Speaker 2 (02:22:05):
Uh, you know, great great players.

Speaker 3 (02:22:08):
Markerry, Barry Manielou was saying the national anthem, Barry Manilo stand,
we take we take that into account as well.

Speaker 1 (02:22:14):
Yeah, I'm gonna go eight nine.

Speaker 2 (02:22:16):
Then I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (02:22:18):
I'm sorry, mister, but I'm not a Barry guy.

Speaker 2 (02:22:22):
I mean either, We'll go nine. A lot of Hall
of famers here, man, there's a lot of this is
a lot of legacy people.

Speaker 3 (02:22:30):
I went eight nine on the same ballpark here.

Speaker 2 (02:22:33):
The gameplay of the game, a little bit of a blowout,
a little bit of a blow but three scores on all.

Speaker 3 (02:22:38):
Phases, the best defensive performances in Super Bowl history, best
defensive in one of them. I think we held what
it was it eight nine points thirty eight to nine.

Speaker 2 (02:22:47):
Yeah, Allen almost too hundre yards two touchdowns, I'd say
at that point it was it was probably a nine.
I'll go eight seven six seven. What I'm I think
the blowout. You gotta have gameplays back and.

Speaker 1 (02:23:03):
Forth, but you know, you have to think about one
is you know what a complete whipping it was, how
much we were underdogs by and that we had lost
to them earlier in the season, and they were a
dominant team, A dominant team, it's like.

Speaker 2 (02:23:18):
How we will will you to change your score?

Speaker 1 (02:23:21):
No, it's like to be fair. It's it's a lot
like New York, New England, you know. I mean I
thought they gave you their best game, you know, at
the end of the season.

Speaker 2 (02:23:31):
There. I wasn't there for the yeah, the big Boy one.
I was there for the eleven one. They got us twice.

Speaker 5 (02:23:37):
There's a lot of parallels between the Broncos and Seahawks
Super Bowl with the like high flying Peyton Manning Broncos team.
There was that fumble snap right from the beginning, and
they just set the stage.

Speaker 2 (02:23:47):
And it was a blowout.

Speaker 1 (02:23:48):
Yeah, and they were a heavy defensive team. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:23:52):
Now we got to score the name of the game.
How we just one? Baby? I think that's a ten.
That's a that's a ten. Yeah, I mean I haven't
heard just one baby. That's that's good.

Speaker 3 (02:24:06):
I scored this before we came up with it. It's
awesome name. Like, can I change my score? Oh, I'm
going ten?

Speaker 2 (02:24:11):
I had no I never even thought of that. I
moved I moved mine up. I did eight point one.
What does it go? What is our total or average? Eight? Six?
One where does it score? And all of our games eighth.

Speaker 5 (02:24:25):
Overall, just behind the two thousand and four ALCS game
four Yankees versus Red Sox, and just ahead of the
twenty fourteen NFC Championship Packers versus Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (02:24:33):
Ten's whoa whoa?

Speaker 2 (02:24:35):
Is it? It also factors in series or the Red Sox.
That was great, That was awesome. That was just that game.
That was but we talked a lot about the series.
We talked it was that big pop what what about?
What about the Miracle on ice? It's fourth overall.

Speaker 3 (02:24:51):
We had Jim Craigan here.

Speaker 1 (02:24:53):
Top for Jack Charlestown boy in that game, Jersey guy
was fighting everybody.

Speaker 2 (02:24:59):
Did you know him?

Speaker 1 (02:25:00):
Yes, he's a little older than me. Jack probably didn't
know I was around. Yeah, I mean but I was
a younger guy.

Speaker 2 (02:25:07):
You know what people don't realize, Like, I don't think
a lot of people know you're a Boston guy. Yeah.
People think I'm from like Pasadena. Yeah, you know, you
think a guy that looks like this is from Pasadena. H.

Speaker 5 (02:25:21):
When we had Jim Craig on to do that game,
I put jewels on a Jack o'callahany just a shadow Charlestown.

Speaker 1 (02:25:26):
Jack O'Callahan, you know listen, star of the movie. I
think you know he he was, you know, just he
really emblematic of Charlestown. It was kind of a Charlestown guy,
Charlestown Boston players versus Minnesota players.

Speaker 2 (02:25:41):
It was it was, it was real. It was a
big thing. Could you eat so you got up on
the ice and stuff? Oh yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:25:49):
I shot a Pizza Hut commercial on skates, did you.

Speaker 2 (02:25:52):
Yeah. I can't even I don't even know whether you
can find it.

Speaker 5 (02:25:54):
It's to look that up hockey tournament in the Charlestown
rink after they closed that.

Speaker 2 (02:25:59):
Every sounds beautiful. Now, yeah, it's changed, is gentrified. If
I work another four years, I can maybe afford to move.
Maybe maybe my grandma sold a triple decker on Elm
Street for how much like seven hundred probably twenty years ago.
Well that's now the bottom floor is worth a mill.
We'll be right back after this quick break. Howey, do

(02:26:22):
we miss anything in this game?

Speaker 4 (02:26:25):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (02:26:26):
Yeah, I think the green Light podcast. I think Kyle
on CBS. He's doing great.

Speaker 2 (02:26:32):
H he is a.

Speaker 1 (02:26:34):
You know, Chris, I talked about you when we came
in here and said, you know, this is your deal.
You're you're kind of running. You're you're the CEO here
trying well. It's tough to do it is but I
ask these guys are you know? And it's great. But
Chris has to do that, you know, and there's a
lot weighing on his shoulders. And you know he's doing

(02:26:55):
inside the NFL with Bill, which is a totally weird
kind of thing, but Bill's great.

Speaker 2 (02:27:01):
I think it's I think it's fun. I like the
I like the the history thing. I like when he
puts them all in breaks down film. Yeah, that's what
we did for fifteen years, you know what I mean.
I like when he gets in there, does his little
history lesson and then test the fellows right there. And
young Howie.

Speaker 1 (02:27:18):
Anybody needs a suite at the Raiders, just call Howie
Long and tickets. He's uh, he works out there selling
suitees and he's uh, he's the hard He's the only
one in the family with a real job, you know.
God bless you, Howie.

Speaker 5 (02:27:34):
And fun fact for a little games with names history,
we had Chris and Kyle Long come on the show.

Speaker 2 (02:27:38):
They did the double point game and.

Speaker 5 (02:27:41):
Their moment where they tell the story that that was
tipped is our best viewed video all time for a
whole show, nineteen million views on YouTube, them telling the
real story behind the double.

Speaker 2 (02:27:51):
Doing nineteen million.

Speaker 1 (02:27:54):
People don't realize how hard it is as a dad
and a mom to watch the those games, particularly when
they played against each other, because it's not like the
Mannings where they're both playing quarters.

Speaker 2 (02:28:05):
They're going against each other.

Speaker 1 (02:28:06):
They're going against each other. As a matter of fact,
when Kyle came up with the Bears to practice up there,
and it was interesting, two things. Two things stuck out
to me in that thing was Chris. Chris was a
looper on a t stunt and Kyle has to pass
off the tackle and he comes back and he's probably
half a step behind, but punches Chris in the ribs

(02:28:28):
and fractures his rips, breaks his rips.

Speaker 2 (02:28:30):
And then joint practice and remember that.

Speaker 1 (02:28:32):
Yeah, And I see Bill after the game, and I'm
very respectful of Bill, you know. Uh, I don't I
think I call him Bill. I don't call him coach.
I might have called him coach.

Speaker 2 (02:28:45):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:28:46):
It's kind of a hard kind of transition for me,
you know. And I said to me, said, he said, hey,
you're you know, we talked about Chris for a second.
He said, hey, your boy your other boys said, yeah,
he doesn't he's figuring things out, he said, and he
kind of did you know, Bill ponder something for about

(02:29:08):
four three four seconds and he said he might be.
He's the best garden football And you know, coming from
Bill who doesn't throw roses, you know, he's not giving
the flowers out, you know a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:29:22):
It was. That's a big deal. That's a huge deal.
I mean, that's how good Kyle Kyle was.

Speaker 1 (02:29:29):
I was healthy, he was, you know, one thing after
another was like the nex fusion, shoulder, elbow, his ankle,
you know, tendon popped out. He you know, so there
were things that piled up on him. But if he
could have stayed healthy, we're having a different conversation.

Speaker 2 (02:29:48):
He did. I mean, he did damn well.

Speaker 1 (02:29:50):
He made great you know, but you know, I'm saying
he was on the trajectory to be without a doubt. Yeah,
he was like the logan Mankins, you know that kind
of yeah, stout just small people logan.

Speaker 2 (02:30:05):
That dude. He was. He was the coolest teammate I.

Speaker 1 (02:30:09):
Saw him in Boise at a bowl game when he
played left tackle in college, and I'm saying, who in
God's name is that guy from Boise playing left tackle?
I'm watching the game, and you know, your eyes, your
eyes go to players, you know, you walk on the
field and I know who the two three guys are,
you know, I mean, you just whether it's Pop Warner

(02:30:30):
or high school or college or pro, you just your
eyes are drawn. And my eyes went right to Logo Mangans.

Speaker 2 (02:30:37):
He was the nastiest man. I'm just talking pure like
punch you in the face kind of boy. He's like
a cowboy. He's a cowboys but like off the field quiet,
where's car hard back?

Speaker 1 (02:30:52):
Once I met him once, he you know, he walked
up and said he loo and said it was good
to finally meet you. Because I would talk about him
a lot on TV because I liked him. You know,
he's a guy that I had great respect for.

Speaker 2 (02:31:04):
He bought a bunch of land and you know, right
outside of Foxborough and he just farms it. That's all.
He like, wakes up at four in the morning and
he farms this land.

Speaker 1 (02:31:13):
You know, Uh, everyone's got their own thing. That's that's
log I just want to be able to say if
I if I own a house, I have to be
able to sit on the porch and my box of
shorts and not be seen. Yeah, you know, so all
my houses are I can do that.

Speaker 2 (02:31:30):
Well, maybe one day I'll get to sit. I got
to come check you guys out.

Speaker 1 (02:31:35):
I got to come up to Montana. He's God's country.
I know it is God's country.

Speaker 5 (02:31:39):
Before we wrap up real quick, you mentioned players of
your eyes just gravitate towards you played with Bo Jackson.

Speaker 2 (02:31:47):
What's it like being on the field with him?

Speaker 1 (02:31:49):
You know, God spent a little bit more time than
just putting his hand on somebody's shoulders there and saying
you're gifted. He came out of a different a different
kind of conveyor.

Speaker 2 (02:32:02):
Jeez, Bo was listen.

Speaker 1 (02:32:08):
I remember sitting behind the offense first week he was there,
in a team period on offense. I'd sit there on
my helmet behind the offense and I'd watch. I'd watch,
you know, I always like formations, and yeah, you know,
it was of no consequence to me because we're not
playing against ourselves. But they pitch him the ball and

(02:32:31):
it was just asynthighs this high off the ground and
he's running faster than everyone. He ran like a four
to one nine.

Speaker 2 (02:32:39):
I think he's ran faster than everyone.

Speaker 1 (02:32:41):
He ran faster than everyone. He was two thirty and
could eat a cheeseburger and never go in the weight room.
And there are a few guys you could lock in
a room for three months and they could come out
and be great. Barry Sanders, Dion Sanders, Bo and maybe

(02:33:01):
a couple other guys. You know, uh Bo was. He
was truly of a shooting star. It was like playing
with Elvis. You know, you had to go in the
back of the hotel. They had to you know, there
were there were things that you had to do as
an organization because he was so big. He'd be imagine

(02:33:21):
him today, yea be so big. Yeah, a great guy.
He called me just a couple of weeks ago. We
had a death in one of the families and he
wanted to let me know. He's a good guy.

Speaker 2 (02:33:34):
I love bo. Bo knows bo I wrote the Ford
in his book. Man, that's dope, Howie. I appreciate you
so much for coming and taking the time.

Speaker 1 (02:33:46):
Thanks for having me. This is been a nice spot
up here. You've got good people working with you. There's
nobody I want to slap on the way out.

Speaker 2 (02:33:53):
You know, a successful day for us, then thank you,
Ali Man legend, legend. I feel like I have my
dad in I feel like ad like my dad's around
on how we I had so many more like jokey
questions to ask him. Didn't want to ask him. I

(02:34:14):
didn't want to let how He down in the least
I did clam up on one of them. I didn't
want to ask him. I don't want to disappoint him.

Speaker 3 (02:34:21):
I was wishing somebody would pull up so we could have.

Speaker 2 (02:34:25):
Fucked them up. If someone pulled I felt the safest
I've seen I felt in this.

Speaker 3 (02:34:30):
House with a threat certified not a threat, not clear.

Speaker 2 (02:34:37):
We're gonna make a T shirt for a jack not
a threat, a threat not a threat. The arrow.

Speaker 3 (02:34:46):
Man, Hey, I would take a bullet for Howie though,
I'll I'll do whatever it takes. You jump in front
of Bush for sure for how we are all day,
mister Lung, Mister Lung, I didn't see. I don't don't
think I slipped up inside of Howie in there.

Speaker 2 (02:34:59):
I started thinking of about it. No, I think you
can you guys, teammates I know, but it's what's crazy.
You know the guy that gets some dip, Now that's me.
I get him.

Speaker 3 (02:35:12):
What are you a crack dealer?

Speaker 2 (02:35:15):
Are you a crack dealer? It's crazy that I didn't
even notice that.

Speaker 5 (02:35:18):
But like pretty much everyone on the Fox team has
been on the same team, like their same football team.

Speaker 2 (02:35:23):
Like Howie went the Raiders Terry with. The only one
is is Rob. He went to Tampa and both Jimmy,
but Rob's kind of that. Rob doesn't seem Rob still
yeah different, he's a Patriots different and he's a Patriot,
but he's also transcendence. He went with Tom. Yeah, transcends.

Speaker 3 (02:35:41):
I was just gonna say, mister Long came and fitted.
He was fitted.

Speaker 2 (02:35:43):
He was fitted.

Speaker 3 (02:35:43):
He could wear the heck out of his cargo pants.

Speaker 2 (02:35:46):
Cargo pants and a cool jean jacket. Nice like cut
of it. He looks great. I've never seen sketchers be
swaggy before. Dude, Sketchers. I see those sketchers. He wears
Sketchers all the time at work. I'm like, are those vans.
It's like, no, he's in new Sketchers.

Speaker 3 (02:36:00):
I've never seen that model. I figured they must be
sketches given his deal, but I've never seen them sketch Mike,
get in there, bro, like.

Speaker 2 (02:36:08):
I might get the indy. By the way, this he
loves nuclear war movies.

Speaker 3 (02:36:15):
Yeah he did.

Speaker 2 (02:36:18):
He reference three. He could have been Jack. He's one
hundred percent Jack Reacher should be Howie Long.

Speaker 3 (02:36:25):
He's like he likes his movies like he likes himself
a weapon of mass destruction.

Speaker 2 (02:36:30):
Dude. He see he checking to see if he's still
I'm checking to see which.

Speaker 3 (02:36:42):
I love his his his broad spectrum of knowledge of
you're referencing the firm and then you're referencing Mike Jones
in the same episode what was Credible?

Speaker 2 (02:36:52):
And then also I can see Chris and Kyle just saying.

Speaker 3 (02:36:57):
He won three three oh eight zero zero five.

Speaker 2 (02:37:00):
Oh my god, those two must have been a handful,
Like how he had to be like that with those
two boys, Kyle, Chris. Chris is such a smart ass
and Kyle is just crazy. He's just crazy. Yeah, I
would have loved to get some more. And they're both
like they're like both really smart guys, so they can
scheme the fuck out of their parents.

Speaker 3 (02:37:19):
Probably probably the same way. Oh my god, legendary shout
out Chris.

Speaker 2 (02:37:25):
And green Light. We love those guys out over there.

Speaker 3 (02:37:28):
Green Light shout out Charlottesville, Virginia, all those guys. I
wonder what how he landed in Virginia. I know he
said they picked Blake it's beautiful, a cool place, but
I wasn't asking that.

Speaker 2 (02:37:38):
I think it was it was just under the Macy
Dixie close to an airport. Probably he's probably got all
everything's mapped out to a tea with him. You know,
he's got like well just that like or time schematics. Yeah,
he probably has a rule where he has to live
like forty five minutes from an airport.

Speaker 5 (02:37:59):
Yeah, he travels a you know what I mean when
when you think of football, you think of like how
long like.

Speaker 3 (02:38:04):
He is didn't get to ask about the neck roll,
didn't get a neck roll, and didn't get a flat
top question.

Speaker 2 (02:38:09):
He didn't get a flat top question, but everyone asked
him a flat top question. I think P M. T
did that well. I mean we did get what Al
Michael smells like or Al Davis smells like his own clones,
his own Do you think he makes it like he
had it like he.

Speaker 3 (02:38:24):
He's like an alchemist. Yeah, he's in there, dude, Savage
by Al Davis. We should cut like a like an
Al Davis commercials Wolves in the Desert.

Speaker 2 (02:38:37):
You know who would be in it? For our hunk?
How long? How long? Just wait? Just just one baby.

Speaker 3 (02:38:44):
He liked that we got a trademark that we should
hit up Tom Radio over.

Speaker 2 (02:38:49):
There, but we got to give him half the trademark.

Speaker 3 (02:38:50):
Yeah, we'll get about.

Speaker 2 (02:38:52):
How Tom is. You know the Raiders.

Speaker 5 (02:38:55):
Tom peached the whole thing. What we don't be talking about,
like the Tom was the Raiders now and d culture, and.

Speaker 2 (02:39:00):
We didn't talk about anything. I just got I got
intimidated probably that come on the show. We have audience.

Speaker 5 (02:39:08):
You know, we have probably fifty questions that don't get
asked because there's so much information we'd want to hear
from them, the amount of stories, the amount of experience
they've had, Like.

Speaker 2 (02:39:15):
We always I didn't want to ask him a question
that to make him like, all right, I'm the.

Speaker 3 (02:39:20):
Cutting room floors, questions up to our ankles.

Speaker 2 (02:39:22):
Yeah, which he would never do that. No, No, he
would never do that, but I would never put him
in a position to do it. We played that, well,
that was great. I like that. It's a it's an
elevator guest, a Hall of Famer in the Nuthhouse. I
love it.

Speaker 7 (02:39:39):
No Ritchie incognito, Richie Max, first Legacy Raider, first leg
first old School Raider, first old School super Bowl Champion Raider,
first Super Bowl Champion raider, first smoking cigarettes, and the
locker room raider.

Speaker 2 (02:39:52):
I don't think he did it.

Speaker 3 (02:39:53):
He did not, No, no, no, man, man, that was
I mean, I'm gonna be doing an Ala.

Speaker 2 (02:39:58):
Davis all day today, for the rest of the day.
Could you imagine those guys at twenty six years old,
twenty seven, twenty eight, how big and like just fucking
bro cool they were. Oh my gosh, we were bro cool.
I bet we were. We were sitting sleet late. I
bet you in the weight room, their fucking attire was
so sick, like fucking just crop top gen or crop

(02:40:20):
top shirts. Fucking like just straight program shit, rusty old weights.

Speaker 3 (02:40:25):
Somehow the seventy five pounds weighs more than the seventy
five pounds today, like just rusty and heavier and grittier.

Speaker 2 (02:40:31):
Probably some shitty ass coffee in there, some thick coffee,
some instant joint.

Speaker 3 (02:40:36):
Yeah, for sick by the airport, he said, practice coming
over to the whole hot drinks it.

Speaker 2 (02:40:45):
Rig guys smoking cigarettes. So we're in the fucking training room.

Speaker 3 (02:40:48):
What a team and preparing for this episode watching the
NFL films, Like you need NFL films and the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (02:40:55):
You gotta they go hand in hand. It was just
fill film football. That was that's some real cool footage.
NFL films. They've they've been around table a long time.
Yes they do. They So that's a different company or
the NFL owns it.

Speaker 5 (02:41:11):
NFL Films, from my understanding, was its own adjacent company.
I do believe it's under the NFL purview now as
well as potentially.

Speaker 2 (02:41:19):
But it's still like a Jordan thing, you know, like
Jordan and Nike, where it's like carved out for sure,
like Jordan's.

Speaker 5 (02:41:24):
I mean, our cold open is literally inspired by an
autumn wind is a raider that that little sequence the music.

Speaker 2 (02:41:29):
And that.

Speaker 3 (02:41:41):
The autumn wind is a raider pillage and you look
at the big one.

Speaker 2 (02:41:48):
Seventy five, all right, what is this? Uh So we're
gonna try a little something new, something a segment.

Speaker 3 (02:41:57):
Watching I've been I've been I've been watching my my
Andy Cohen been hearkening back to the old Jay Leno
days of you got to brand these segments a headline
for you. J Jay walks, but we do Jack asks.
Jack's asks kind of like Jackass, but Jack asks, Yeah,
what do we think of that?

Speaker 2 (02:42:16):
Just tell us about jackasses a little bit.

Speaker 3 (02:42:18):
I don't don't don't let juwel see these questions. This
is we get a lot of call. We love hearing
from the fans. We love hitting the hotline, and we
we like those off the wall questions. We like those
out of left fielders.

Speaker 2 (02:42:33):
We like the would you rathers?

Speaker 3 (02:42:35):
Something kind of makes you think since with you all
day puts you on the spot, so to speak, not
quite the hot seat, but a little warm like WHOA
didn't think of that?

Speaker 2 (02:42:44):
Feel like when you press the heat seater on just
one dot instead of three against three dots.

Speaker 3 (02:42:50):
Yes, we're one dot, we're one dot, one dot in it. Well,
maybe work our way up to three, but we're not
there yet. It's only December. We don't need it all right.

Speaker 2 (02:42:56):
Let's get let's actually do this segment. You can do
the segment.

Speaker 3 (02:42:59):
These are questions that they it's a little bit telling.
You can tell a lot about someone through these jewels
without further Ado. Are you ready?

Speaker 2 (02:43:07):
I'm ready? All right.

Speaker 3 (02:43:09):
First on our list, we're in the last latter part
of the NFL season. What's next on your vacation destination list?
My my vacation off season vaka.

Speaker 2 (02:43:20):
I want to go to Japan.

Speaker 3 (02:43:22):
I had a feeling that was going to be in there.

Speaker 2 (02:43:24):
I want to go to Japan so bad. I want
to go to Tokyo, Kyota, Kobe, Soca Socca. My dad went
there when he was when he was young and with
the commands, man, I like that. I want to check
that out. I think I'm gonna go to where. Am

(02:43:46):
I going to Whistler? That's right?

Speaker 3 (02:43:47):
You and Rob right, we're gonna go to Whistler Ski
That's gonna be awesome, or else snowboard your border.

Speaker 2 (02:43:57):
But I don't know. I need to get to Europe.
I haven't been to Europe. I haven't I need I
don't travel that all. I need to travel like it's
internationally more. I haven't been out of the States other
than like South America. I went to Brazil. Actually I have.
I've traveled recent but I want to get back to Europe.
There's so many places in Europe I've never been. I've

(02:44:17):
never been to the Asias. I want to go to
a bunch of Asian countries. I want to go to,
like I would love to see like China, Like I
want to see the Great Wall of China. Yeah, that'd
be fucking crazy. And there's a lot of like we
don't know anything about China, Like you don't ever hear
about it. But you know, my Don Yee, he always
talks about how cool it is over there, And I
would want to go with like a local like him. Yeah.

(02:44:38):
But also I want to go to like Thailand. I
want to go to you know, Japan. I want to
go to Seoul, Korea, South Korea. That'll be tight, you know.
I think it'd be really great inspo. I like that vibe. Yeah,
something about you Jack, where you going? Oh man?

Speaker 3 (02:44:57):
I also my boys trying to get me in March
to do a japan but.

Speaker 2 (02:45:01):
A golf trip. He's got it.

Speaker 3 (02:45:03):
He's got his eye on these sort of they got
these trips by like golf packages do like a Japanese
golf trip.

Speaker 2 (02:45:08):
Isn't it snowy still there? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:45:10):
I haven't looked into it too much. I'm a little
like it's still a little foreign to me everything about it. No,
no pun intended. I would like to get back to uh.
Every every three to four months, I get a New
York hitch. I got to get back to New York.
It's not very much nothing sexy there. Okay, yeah, that's

(02:45:33):
a different story for a different day. I would like
to get to Europe. I've only really ever been to uh,
only ever been to uh London. I'd like to like
to hit a Paris maybe, Uh, you've been to Paris
only never been? Only been in London, never been. I
want to go to I want to go to Europe deeper.
Would you show me around? I don't know that well,

(02:45:55):
I know, but we go together, Yeah, we go. Yeah,
I'm a good travel comittian.

Speaker 2 (02:45:58):
I had to cancel because we launched Dudes on Dudes.
I still eating shift from that for my wife.

Speaker 3 (02:46:05):
Hey, you got Hawaii on the horizon. You're good. You're good, bro.

Speaker 2 (02:46:11):
Yeah to Paris in the off season. I don't know.
I want to go. Say all this, and you'll probably
end upon going anywhere because I'll have to go do
work ship or The only trouble I really do is
for like, if I have to go to a city
to do something, for work. Maybe Ireland next year.

Speaker 3 (02:46:24):
Oh, I would love to go to Ireland, to the Homeland. Shoot,
we'll just kind of we'll just cut of games with
names in the g.

Speaker 2 (02:46:36):
I was just mister Baseball.

Speaker 3 (02:46:37):
Let you a mister Baseball episode, all right? Next on
our list, Jules go to gas station snack pulling over.
You're driving the stang, you pull off for a little
snacks anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:46:53):
I just get I'll get a coffee. I'll get a
coffee either hot. I'll sometimes get half coffee if it's
in the morning it's a little nippy out. But I'll
take like a some kind of like cold brew of
some sort like that. Get a get a tin, maybe

(02:47:13):
a couple different bubble gums. Back in the day, I
get like a corn nut.

Speaker 3 (02:47:19):
Oh your really, cornuts are underrated. Great gas stations neck
I would get like chips, chips, slushy slurpy slushy do
all day, all day. I didn't realize.

Speaker 2 (02:47:32):
So and then then I went to Ohio and I
was introduced to sheets. It's like, what this is. This
is a gas station experience. You get fucking hullo, paniol, poppers,
beef jerky. It's a way of life. Yes, there's other
ones like that around the country too. Yeah. I never

(02:47:53):
be loves BUCkies. Yeah, those are some badass ship It's
like it's an experience I remember, like I gotta go
fill up my cart. It's a very Yeah, it's uniquely
I'm pretty cheap yo. Yeah, they're great. Good. I got
a lot going on there. You know, there's cool little
like gas stations here. I remember the one gas station

(02:48:13):
in Boston that had a Mexican restaurant in it, and uh,
Beacon Hill. Yeah that's pretty good. But there's always a
little Mexican spot in some gas stations when I'm driving
to like the Lake or something that all fucking on
triple D type spots. Get a little couple of car
you know, give me some Cardie Carne. Probably gotta cut

(02:48:34):
that out. It's some unleaded unleaded Yeah, all right. Next
on the list, we talked to golf earlier. What's your
favorite club to hit in the bag these days? Favorite
club to hit? What's feeling good? Zero? None of them
right now. Nothing's feeling pure, not fear. I'm not feeling
very pure right when it comes down to it. My

(02:48:55):
seven Amen, me too, me too, even or odds iron guy.
I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (02:49:03):
I'm a seven seven nine, so I'm odds yeah, seven
and nine or two of my yep.

Speaker 2 (02:49:08):
And I love my uh I love my uh my fifty.
I like my fifty like night, like my one one
and one ten, and in using my fifty, I feel
like I'm pretty decent with that.

Speaker 3 (02:49:25):
I feel like we're doing for a more park outing years.

Speaker 2 (02:49:27):
Who know, my driver just sucks right now?

Speaker 3 (02:49:29):
Is all right?

Speaker 2 (02:49:29):
We'll get there.

Speaker 3 (02:49:31):
Yeah, just nice and easy. Let the club do the work.

Speaker 2 (02:49:34):
You're good. It's more of like my slot. Fucking what's
his name? Got in my goddamn head, Oh Ryan, Max
Homer or what is oh h the video talk about
my goddamn slot. So I go to my goddamn coach.
I'm like, yeah, what's up my slot? What's up with
my slot?

Speaker 3 (02:49:50):
You in the slot not being hand in hand? Is
teams wrong?

Speaker 2 (02:49:53):
I thought I Slotty Pippin fucking bullshit, freaking homahma, come on,
Homa on the show. Yeah, come on the show. Give
me a goddamn golf list. Come on, baby, I'm a
damn dimple head here bro abg always be golfing.

Speaker 3 (02:50:11):
Next up on our list, Jules what's a show.

Speaker 2 (02:50:14):
Or a movie you've been rocking with lately? Been watching
land Man, Oh, Billy Bob, Billy Bob Taylor's Sharon, I
gotta get on that. I like it. I like Billy
Bob Thorton's and I don't know, I don't know Texas
stuff like that, like the Gas. You know, it's fun
to watch those kind of things and see, like the
Hollywood version of what they think of it.

Speaker 3 (02:50:32):
And Billy Bob's Taylor made for that kind.

Speaker 2 (02:50:34):
Of Taylor that. I also like Lioness. That's really good, dude,
I don't know what I dropped it. I don't know.
I watched Landman, I don't know who told me about Lameman,
and then I saw someone talking about Lioness. Like these
are two pretty good shows. I like Paramount's content me too.
I like the t s EU. What else is there

(02:50:56):
out right now? What are you watching? I'm watching?

Speaker 3 (02:51:00):
I'm watching Shrinking here and there a little bit getting
in there, got good stuff. I need to get into
land Man, catching up on my blow deck. I want
to watch that new Salt Lake City selling salt Lake
on Bravo. Southern Charms back, Baby, you know, I'm deep in.

Speaker 2 (02:51:19):
That don't even know what that is.

Speaker 3 (02:51:21):
It's great stuff, really good stuff. What else am I
rocking with?

Speaker 2 (02:51:27):
I like this.

Speaker 3 (02:51:27):
I like Universal, Basic Guys, animation, domination, but we need
the Great North and we need family guy back.

Speaker 2 (02:51:33):
Come on now, I've been watching.

Speaker 3 (02:51:36):
I watched some Christmas stuff recently. Actually, yeah, it has
to come out movies.

Speaker 2 (02:51:40):
The thing is, it takes me forever to watch a
show because I'll start watching my show when I put
my kid down, and by that time, after being in
the car three hours the whole day going to soccer practice,
fucking tutor this that it's like full time thing. I'm done.

(02:52:00):
I can never pay attention and I have the tension span.
So I'm like what, I throw all on my show
after day and I throw it on a It takes
me to watch a forty five minute show takes me
like four nights.

Speaker 3 (02:52:10):
I'm with you, bro, long days man. Yeah, this Nutcrackers.
There's new Ben Stealer one.

Speaker 2 (02:52:15):
I liked it.

Speaker 3 (02:52:16):
It was really it's a Ben Stealer a Christmas movie.
Oh yeah, I want to see it. You gotta watch it.
It's really good watch with Lily Kid. It's in the middle,
it's right in the middle.

Speaker 2 (02:52:25):
He's eight now, so she's pretty much adult.

Speaker 3 (02:52:27):
It's right in the middle. It was Danny McBride. Those
guys are behind it too.

Speaker 2 (02:52:30):
Oh my god, I don't know if she's ready. It's good.
It's like, it's good. He's eight. You're gonna throw like
there's likely dongs and stuff in this.

Speaker 3 (02:52:41):
No, no, no, no a soft no, it is not there.
It's this isn't This isn't Gemstones. This is family friendly
ish ish. You gotta would frankly you watch what do
you let you watch?

Speaker 2 (02:52:52):
Like our stuff? When you're let me they let me
watch anything. I older brother though, same, oh seven years older.
It's watching Rambo like three fucking Rocky.

Speaker 3 (02:53:01):
At one I was going to see like Borat when
I was like eleven, Like, yeah, expose last one. This
is a This is kind of crazy, bro, no football
for a year or break a leg?

Speaker 2 (02:53:18):
What do you mean? Would so? Would you rather? Would
you rather have no football for a year if you.

Speaker 3 (02:53:23):
Just can't watch you can't check scores, can't watch highlights.

Speaker 2 (02:53:26):
Or have a broken leg. I might like that or
like break even no not watching football? Oh, I might
love it. I may take not watching football for one
year because every time I watch the game, I just
it's just constant flashbacks and like situational shit. You don't
even enjoy it. I'm sitting there like, all right, I

(02:53:46):
can talk about that. Oh that's fucking terrible. Oh sick
play reminds me of this play back in this game.
Like that's what's going through my mind when I'm watching
these things. That's why when you guys see me watching it,
like when we watch the the pre cuts and like
we have a bunch of research for all the you know,
our guests, I'll sit and I'll watch it and I'll
tell everyone to shut up. I'm like, yo, I gotta

(02:54:09):
one second, please, because I want to hear. I want
to hear the contact. I want to hear what the
announcers saying. I want to be involved. I'm so involved.
I hate it, that's man. I kind of like, so
this is not even a punishment. This might be the reward.
People like no football, and I'm so sick of rehab.
I'm so sick of rehab. I will not fucking I'm

(02:54:29):
That's why I get so scared about playing the pickleball
and like explosive shit, I'm not trying to pull out
an Achilles, and I've done so much physical therapy. I'm
so sick of it. Where I could go and live
a very happy life, I don't have to do that
no more. But I have to go get my fucking
shoulder fixed because it's it's hurt.

Speaker 3 (02:54:51):
I like to imagine you just go off the grid,
travel Asia all football season, come back chief to one another,
and you don't care, and you're just a new man.
You're like you've you've traveled all over Asia. I would
love all football season, don't even think about ball. Yes,
that's why I'm envisioning.

Speaker 2 (02:55:08):
I'm envisioning. I think I need to go live with
the criminals in China. You know you know how he
did he not like not China being criminals, but like
the bad people in China or not China. Where was he? Uh?
Japan snowy and there's probably Samurai Samurai's Japan, but China still,

(02:55:32):
God damn big. It could be China. China is a
huge country, continent thing, both in population and in land
masks both. That's why I bet you there's so like
because they don't really show their ship off. There's like
I was watching in China. Getting back to the travel, shit.
There wasn't isn't there like something discovered in China recently,

(02:55:54):
Like archaeologists discovered some like crazy shit, but it's hard
to get any information out of it because China it
doesn't allow any of the That's what I want to
go see. I want to go see the the hidden
shit because China. And it's also fascinating to me that
like Asian culture is like the oldest culture in the world,
and we didn't They've been around for thousands and thousands

(02:56:15):
of years. We didn't get a ton of like Asian
history no education either, which is like there are history
is only like eight hundred years old, five hundred whatever,
you know, since the sixteen hundred and seventeen hundred Europe
goes back a couple China, bro, I want to see
what those artifacts are looking like.

Speaker 3 (02:56:33):
Yeah, yeah, I'm doing some digging here on these something artifacts.
Ancient tomb discovery sheds new light on shine origins of
Chinese civilizations. Over three hundred and fifty artifacts on Earth
from a five thousand year old tomb is in the
global times.

Speaker 2 (02:56:52):
Five thousand years man, Okay, that's before the pharaohs. That's
no discovered in that Wang for a while. Maybe I
was way off on that. Yeah, that's wild though there
were some Egyptian pharaohs happening around that time, five thousand
years ago. Yeah, but China's been there forever, did you know?

Speaker 8 (02:57:18):
I think there's something crazy and you huha on this,
But the Africa's first Well, what's you galley Pinjai Pinjai?

Speaker 2 (02:57:29):
What is it the one where we were all one
continent and then it broke up? Pane pinjea pine? Is
that real? Yeah? Play tectonics? So I have earthquakes Andrea's fault?
So how many years does that take? One hundred millions? Millions? Yeah,
millions millions? Yeah? No humans? Is it real? Yeah? Of course?

(02:57:52):
Is that you can look look at fossils that are
like well yeah, because that's why you have a lot
of the same trees probably from Japan that you have
in the Bay Area save Francisco, because it probably broke
off plate tec. I love. I love that kind of
stuff too. I like some Indiana Jones ship. That's why
China would be sick.

Speaker 5 (02:58:08):
You talk about Sandre's fault too, Like southern California or
western California is not on the same plate as eastern California.
So like within thousands of years, millions of years, they'll
be separated.

Speaker 2 (02:58:21):
That's probably a couple of hundred million years. I don't
know the exact numbers, but well, we'll all be dead
by the we'll all be dead. Well, that's another episode
of games with things manology with.

Speaker 3 (02:58:33):
Names lates, techtonics.

Speaker 2 (02:58:36):
Yeah, that's gonna be a six on the Richter scale.
What a game that was happening. Howie Long, Howie freaking
a long. How I just never want to disappoint him.

Speaker 3 (02:58:48):
Neither I was, and q's I don't think you did.

Speaker 2 (02:58:51):
Yeah, but were we tight enough? Was our operation tight enough?
I am pretty intuitive on guest vibes and he was down.
Should you know I should got him, smoothie. I was
hoping you'd give him I know. I didn't even get
to tell him that story, but I didn't. I didn't

(02:59:11):
know if he wanted that. I didn't want if he
wanted that story out or to do it physically. Yeah,
because I don't. Maybe he gave me a look where
he breaked me with his eyes. I got a mid
episode thankfully. He was just looking at my hat. I
was like, oh fuck, Like what did I do? What
did I do. A photographer came through like real quick.

(02:59:31):
I saw him look for a second. Good just a photographer. Hey,
what do you say? What did he tell Chris every
every night before the game, keep your head on a
fucking swivel.

Speaker 3 (02:59:41):
Don't hang around piles around you get.

Speaker 2 (02:59:44):
Hurt that way. It's true. Man, Thanks again to Howie.
That was so fun, amazing legendary Raider and the Raiders.
I mean without the Raiders, there's no NFL.

Speaker 5 (02:59:56):
A man, he's a Raider, but he also belongs to football,
kind of like Randy Moss. Everyone could be a fan
of how Long.

Speaker 2 (03:00:05):
Because he transcend, but that's because he's a Raider. Anywhere sketches,
it's because he was a winning Raider.

Speaker 5 (03:00:10):
We were talking about like the Raiders. I was gonna
time in, but I didn't like you're talking about like
the Raiders for like a Southwestern team. I don't think
the Raiders are tied to g geography. I think the
Raiders are tied to like an identity, the like, like
the hard nose whatever. It doesn't matter if they're in
Oakland or if they're in Vegas or they're in Los Angeles.
Being a Raider something that's not tied to where you are,
it's how you are.

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