The Breaking Through the Gates Game with Antonio Gates | Week 2, 2017: Dolphins vs. Chargers - Games with Names

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
How is Rivers is no better player than him that
you can believe. That's given his all.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's giving it everything he got and he's talking trailsh
while he's doing it. We will have to tell him
Tom periodically like listen, man, you know that's cool you're talking.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
But we got a block to these dudes, so you know,
you know what I'm saying. Can you imagine talking crazy?

Speaker 2 (00:17):
That thing was like Richard Seymour and somebody we about
to go at you, We about to kill you. I'm like, Philip, listen, man,
come on, you know what I'm saying. Remember it's that
kind of It's never like just your average Joe blow.
It is that the dudes that he respect too. Because
we go back, he'd be like, yeah, I got you know.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman, They're Jack
and Kyler, and we are on a mission to find
the greatest game of all time. And on today's episode,
we are covering Dolphins versus Chargers in the barn Burner
Week two match in twenty seventeen, with one of the

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greatest tight ends of all time. Haul of famer and
Flash Kent State alum in Tonio Gates and we get
to talk in passing Tony Gonzalez in touchdowns in this game.
That's why you picked this game.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I passed X Y and Z. I remember playing with
those dudes on a video game. I thought that was
a pretty special moment.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
What it's like to play in the Elite eight.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
We were so happy to be in the tournament, and
now I look back, it's the best time in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
And making the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
They don't really sink in like you would think, because
it's your life, right, you live in it.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
And then we get into reading uh oh, the YouTube
comments and Apple reviews Spotify on this week's Chill Zone
presented by Corps Light. Very exciting. You gotta stick around
to the very end. Let's go games with names of
production of iHeartRadio. September seventeenth, twenty seventeen, Carson, California, stub

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Hub Center.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
A Hooper from Detroit. It's about to make NFL history.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Second and goal Rivers drops back. He finds Gates in
the back of the end zone. This is the breaking
through the Gates game game, my man. Today we are

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looking at Dolphins versus Chargers, Week two of the twenty
seventeen season with Antonio Gates Hall of Famer, Intonio Gates,
Hall of famer that never played college football. Intonio Gates,

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Hall of Famer, never played college football. But I went
to the same school as them, and he went to
the Lead eight, and they were talking about it for
the whole existence of my career there Intonio Gates, Welcome
to the nuthouse. In one sentence, why this game?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
I guess it was a home game because we played it,
played the game we won. We was on a row,
so I guess they wanted me to break it at
home in Los Angeles at the time. Break what the record?
Well record, the NFL touchdown record, NFL.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
The touchdown record for tight end Peaches and Cream one twelve.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
With cherries on top.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, but yeah, I uh, man, Like it's crazy because
you know, when you do something of that magnitude, Man,
you don't really it don't really sink in like you
would think, because it's your life, right, you live in it,
you going through it. I think when I retired, when
it was all done, I was able to capture the
actual moment a little bit better, if that makes sense.

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I was able to look back and say man, that
was crazy. I passed X, Y and Z. I remember
playing with those dudes on a video game. I had
a lot of Techno Bowl, a lot of Madden, and uh,
you know, to pass a guy like Tony Gonzalez, that
was a pretty special moment.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Is this the greatest game of all time?

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I think? Right, You're right.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
I think the form an emotion standpoint, it was because
you know, again, I know for those who don't know,
I played basketball.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
That was always my passion.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
So when I made this transition, Uh, that game, I
finally had the emotions running through me for the first time.
I'm talking about what I was on the sidlide. I
want to say, tears was coming down and I was like, wow,
what is going on? But I think it was the
idea of what I've been through up until that point,
how difficult it is to get to that level, how

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many days you got to kind of fight through that pain,
the hard work, the dedication, the things that it's not
talked about, right, they only see the touchdowns right the
Monday through Saturdays.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
I like to recall it.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
So I was pretty emotional after that game because I
was kind of stagnant for a long time. You know
what you get. It's like lifting weights. You get the
three hundred and you just stuck. You can't go past
three hundred. I was like stagnant at like one team
for a while, couldn't get to one to eleven, and
then I finally got to one twelve.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
I think that was the number.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Well, fucking congratulations in the Hall of Fame. That means
so much to me because you're you're a Kent State
Golden Flash. I was a golden Flash. Didn't play football
at Ken which is crazy to me, but like, that's
how big of an impact you have? Dude? Can you
explain your story about how you got to Kent State?

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So I want to ask you about Nick saban To.
You go to Michigan State for football and basketball and
then all of a sudden you play basketball or something happens.
Then you go to what can you explain your situation
how you got to Kent.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Then I was on tour like an artist. Yeah you
know how the artists get on tour. Yeah, I was
on tour give a bus basically, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
I was on tour like an artist.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
So you know, a lot of stuff was you know,
So I come from Detroit, Michigan man as the Inner
City yep. And uh, you know, I think when I
look back on it, a lot of it was just affiliation.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
We got this thing we call keeping it real, and
I wasn't no stranger to that. I was always trying
to keep it real with my homeboys. I grew up
with Inner City, went to high school with, grew up
in the neighborhoods with, and a lot of things that
was happening to me was predicated to that.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
You go somewhere and you with me, and we go
to a college party and somebody start fighting. They know
that's Antonio Gates, but them his boys. But they don't
know my boys. They just know that's Antonio Gates. And
I think that kind of transpired throughout my college career,
and that led me to going from Michigan State to
Eastern Michigan to eventually get to a point where I

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had to get to King State. So I had to
get what college is chorus, So I had to.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Get the game.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
So I want to, like, people don't even know I
went to five different colleges. Man, I'm rehabilitating just so
you know. So yeah, So I went to five different colleges,
and but reality is that I already knew my destiny
was somewhere special, right, So that's why I always stried
and kept going. And I can't say enough about what
it took for me to get to that point where

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Kent State actually gave me opportunity.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Funny story. I get to Kent State, right, and you
you went to King State.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
So I get the Kent State and I think that
the guys had like a golf auding or something going
on basketball team, and here I am, this inner city
kid man straight from the hood.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
I come in a golf auding.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
I think I got a Julius Irvin's throwback jersey on
with chains or it's sound like forks and knives and
it's making all this noise. And here these Kent State students, right,
student athletes, and they were like sweaters, you know, butting
up shirts and tire. And I was looking and I'm
thinking like, so when I'm introducing myself to all of them,
the players, I'm thinking like, wait a minute, why do

(08:03):
I feel weird?

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Why I feel like ah? Right?

Speaker 2 (08:06):
And I think what happened was at that moment of
getting to Kent. It translated to me like, damn, man,
this would being a man really is all my life.
I was consumed with the idea of being tough, you
know what I mean. Being in the streets, this is
all the Look at the boys carrying their book bags.
They soft, they corny. But then I got to a
point when I was around the Golden Flashes, that basketball team.

(08:31):
I've probably learned so much from those dudes. They probably
don't even know. That's to this day. This is probably
if they see this, this will be the first time
they would probably really understand. I learned so much from
my teammates, you know, my roommates that was living with
me in apartments, because they were actually doing things that
dictated success, dictated what a man should be. Although I

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never knew that I would have because we grew up believing.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Then look at this dude. Man, he got sweated on
with a button up shirt.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Right, that's what we believe in the neighborhood, right. You
know what I'm saying, Dude, he always on time for
class always. This is the thought process, you you know
what I'm saying. Right, So, being around those dudes, I
was able to consume the idea of like, Damn, man,
this is it's harder to do this. One of my
roommates was in grad school and I'm like watching them work,

(09:23):
and naturally I'm picking up their habits, you know what
I'm saying. I'm like, Damn this dude studying all this time. Dude,
where the parties at what? You know, we ain't going
to the gym. It developed me in a way, and
it shaped me in a way.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Man. I'm so thankful for.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
That opportunity because it developed and shaped me in a
way and it allowed me to keep growing as a
human being. And I'm like I said, I'm so grateful
for that opportunity to be able to be in King
State and those dudes, Drew Mentell, Traval, Demitri Shaw, Eric Thomas,
Brian Bedford, John Edwards, John Merritt, Dude, I don't want.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
To miss anybody, you know, you know, even my young dudes.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
You know Dre.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Haynes and you know, Uh Gates. I had another Galler
team Gates. I mean it was so many of us, man,
we had so much fun. Anthony Wilkins god that I'm
still close with now. But they shaped me in a
way because I felt like I went from hanging with
guys in the neighborhood, inner city guys, and essentially being
with guys who had a vision and wanted to do

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something in life. And I would always tell them, dudes,
they like, I feel like I'm on a debate team now.
The way they were act, you know what I'm saying.
They were very smart, shark. But it was you know
how it is playing for the Patriots. It's like the
same concept. It's the same thing. And we and then
I got to the Chargers, which was funny, and it
was still like the same concept.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
You know.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
We were like and I'm like, these are good human beings,
though unbelievable people.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
It's kind of like the bumps in the road, or
will make journey fun.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Forgot about my boy Nate Gerrik and Matt Jake Whay.
I'm looking at the rest of our brontgree Brian Howard,
b Howard, you folks. Yeah, Chris Williams, my man from DC,
all them boys, And hopefully when they see this they
know it. I still got so much love for them.
Some of the funnest times in my life.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
You know, Kent State, It's so great that you learned
that because you know, playing football. There's so many stories
of the inner city guy that's hanging around with the knuckleheads. Yes,
and becomes nothing And you become a product of who
you surround yourself with. And the blessing for you was

(11:29):
to be around those guys. A blessing for me is
to get drafted to the Patriots because being around those guys,
seeing how they, like you said, debate team, everything was
about challenging each other, whether it was intellectually, whether it
was physically, whether it was a challenge you know, in

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the weight room, or a challenge of knowing the history
of the fucking defensive coordinator. Like, everything was a challenge.
So you had to bring your a game all the time.
And that built and made me who I was, which
I had that already in me when I was at
Ken I had a chip on my shoulder.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Small school, small school.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, yeah, I can fully understand that. Man, where'd you live?
You live? What apartments do you do? You live in
silver ghettos?

Speaker 2 (12:17):
No?

Speaker 3 (12:18):
I lived in silver ghetto.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
If the campus right right, I live off campus. So
my two roommates were in grad school and so and
man like the coach was brilliant with his idea so
he knew I was a product of just my environment
and yet but he knew I had some like maturing
the dude like any kid, right, But you put me
with some guys that was in grad school. So all

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they doing is studying ally because you know, in grad school,
I think you get like two or three tests a year.
I guess if you fail one, you're basically gonna fail
the class. Yeah yeah, right, yeah, eight took me twelve
years to get to get it. So that's the thing
I'm with guys, that's just studying all day, right, doing
everything in the proper right way. I'm saying, shout out
to my roommate Andrew Minchell, and you know, learned a

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lot from him, man.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Because he did things the right way.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
I had always had the talent, I always had, the ability,
always was number one. I was twelve, right, number one player,
twelve thirteen, fourteen. So that wasn't the issue, the sports part.
It was the off the off the court initially and
then it became off the field, but it was off
the court initially that became the issue because of like
I said, you grow up believing what keeping it real is.

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It's like I got to take my boys with me.
I got to take it right. I got to take
them into space that they don't belong and they could
pull you down. Yeah, you know, awfully, you know, obviously
I got a you know, opportunity and blessing to keep going.
But I was in situations where I was looking at
jail time and uh, thankful that through all those experiences

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I was able to get a grip of who I
am and what I wanted to be, and it helped
me get to this point.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Damn men today pro football the famer. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Everything happens for a freaking reason. It's crazy. You're like
the epitome of that. You did you ever see Cribs
or Harrison?

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I did, so I didn't know him personally, right because
you know, the whole idea when you play basketball, we
always think the football players jealous. That's a real storyline, dude.
We always think the football players was jealous. So that's
kind of like the thing. But you know, I had
the football. You know, I did go to Mischister State,

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so you know, dudes were kind of small to me,
even though I was playing basketball. I'm like, y'all skeed
of these dude, to play football for kids, you know
what I'm saying. So I remember they like parties would
go on and my teammates basketball guys would be there,
and we were good. We would rank the top twenty
five twice. And I was only there for two years.
So the thing is that we were good, and you know,
they be at the game, I mean parties, and they
get to call to me like, hey, man, the football

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players here, you coming, you know what I'm saying. I'm like, yeah,
I'm coming up there. Man, it ain't gonna do nothing,
you know what I'm saying. And they were just scared.
Basketball players were scared of the football players. And to me,
I was just as big or bigger you were. You were, Yeah,
I was like, you're basically playing. I was a big
ten football player. So I'm like, dude, come on, dude,
y'all chill out. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, you

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know you were both. Yeah, and they knew. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
People know energy ain't nobody crazy, right, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
I was from the trap, Like, dude, y'all scared of
these Come on this, dude, go up down there, can't Ohio,
what are you gonna do you know what I'm saying.
So right, So that's how it was. And I just remember,
you know, seeing James and I was James and I
good friends, and I know Cribs as well. So uh,
you know, we would never fully interact because the basketball team,
not me personally. They would always feel like, you know,

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football team was more timidating they were, which they were. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we were.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
We were walking through this Elite eight run, bro, because
I mean, I I just remember we were talking about
I was there like what five six years after you yeah,
four or five years whatever. We were talking about that.
I was like, yeah, we had the Elite eight run
last year. We used that last year because ever yeah, man,

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it was.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
That was the thing about being in college and you know,
making a run like that.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
It's nothing to do with money.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
It's all about relationships and friendships and pride and playing
for one another. That's why that was one of the
most special moments of my life. That was the first
time not the first time, but that was really the
last moment of when it had absolutely nothing to do
with finances and business. It was just like, dude, we
are all trying to get somewhere special. And we're all

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trying to do something special. I remember were playing Pittsburgh
and I was just remember, like these do some dogs.
Pittsburgh had some tough, tough players, man, but we had
that you know that. You know that, Yeah, but we
got that still, y'all think, because we can't state that
y'all better. And I'm I'm here to tell you from

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going to the Big ten and making that transition to
the MAC, the only difference is that it's just a size.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
It's a fit thing, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
They wanted a guy six eight six nine to play
the wing at Michigan State, at Kent State, these dudes
are six five, six four. But when I got there
and you know this man playing in the MAC, You're like,
these dudes can play. These dudes can play. They play hard,
and that's to catch it. They play hard at every play.
So I felt like going in the MAC and playing

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in the MAC was easier than making the run in
the lead. They I felt like the duce that Theron Smith's,
the Brandon Hunters, the Keith mccou's of the world, the
freaking Marshall had black sher you know what I mean.
They felt harder than the guys I was going against
and these big programs, because they were still like, you

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know what the chip on the show. They I mean,
they can put it on the floor, they can hit
the mid range, they can hit you from three, they
can make the right pass. They were strong enough, they
was quick enough, tall enough, wasn't tall enough or they
didn't have the the you know, off the charts jumping
abilities when you see him play, they didn't do that.
They didn't make you why it wasn't the wild play.
And I think you can you know, obviously you played

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and you moved on.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Same thing. It's like guarding you, you know on thirty eight.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
You know, yeah, But once you get out there, you're like, damn,
he can go left, he can go right. He actually
he can beat you deep too. If you playing around,
he can beat you. Then you'll see a guy that
make a big play and you'll be like, okay, he's
going deep. He's the pig first pick in the draft.
But when you get out there, it changes the dynamic.
And I believe I use this word and they asked
me how I would describe myself as how I would

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describe you too, Julian. I think we were just ultimate competitors,
fierce bro like, like dude, we can, we can me
and you. Right now, I can probably start playing something
and it'd get real, get real hot, right, That's what
I'm saying. So fierce competitor, man, that was what I
brought to the table. That's why I played the game
in basketball. It didn't matter. I made that justments as
I went. If I felt like he was too slow,

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I'm gonna take you on the wing, I'm gonna penetrate you.
If I felt like he was smaller, I ain't shooting
no jumpers on you. I'm going we going to the block.
Every time you're gonna we're gonna pay the fact that
you're smaller.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
And that's how I played the game football.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
That's how I played right back or too slow, Yeah,
you put a corner on him, he's too small. You
put a safety on me and get in his face.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, same way, man. That's just what we did to
make that run. And I think the beauty of when
mid majors make runs like the lead they runs. These
are these guys that's growing together for years. So it
was like senior, senior, senior, senior, junior.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
I don't see that no more.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, and now we're going against the guy that's supposed
to be a top ten pick. He's a sophomore. The
next guy is a freshman. He was the number one
player in the country coming out of high school. They
got a couple of juniors on their team, but most
of these guys as they get older, they gone, they
getting ready to go to the NBA. We was able
to develop what they developed before I even got there.
And then they added a piece and that was like

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the missing piece of the puzzle. And collectively, man, we
was just you know, we thought we could have been
national champions at that point because we were older. First
of all, we were older than everybody, you know what
I'm saying, all the youngest person on the team on
the starting lineup, and I was twenty, you know, my
junior year. So yeah, we felt like we could have.
We felt like we should have beat Indiana. But they
got so hot, Dang Fife and the boys guys so

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covered deal, they got so hot, man, they just wouldn't
miss Indiana.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
Just for our viewers at home, listeners at home. The
first round, you guys were a ten seed beat Oklahoma
State seventh seeds sixty nine to sixty one. Second round,
you beat the number two seed Alabama seventy one eighty five.
The Sweet sixteen game you mentioned against three seed Pit,
you guys beat beat him seventy eight seventy three in overtime.
You had twenty two points and eight boards and forty
eight three minutes played. And then you guys eventually lost

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to the five seed Indiana eighty one to sixty nine.
Hell of a run, crazy run, Hello over run.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Wow, I'm looking at that. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
What comes up to your mind when you see these games?
What's the first thing? What game comes?

Speaker 2 (21:05):
It's just you know, think, I think about the camaraderie
that we had. You know, I don't see a game.
I see the people that was in my space at
that time. I think about, damn, man, this this is
what it happens when you got the right group of
people that's with the right idea right and the right focus.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
We were so we were having so much fun together, man.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
You know, even like when we got to around two Alabama,
like all practice was like so fun. We were so
happy to be in the tournament. So we were like
just enjoying the moment. And now I look back, and
I'm like, dude, what's the best time in my life?
That was probably the spark other than going into the
Hall of Fame. Now, that was the spark of my

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athletic career up until this point.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
That just happened.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Man, I'm looking at your touch, Yeah, making me touched.
I feel like, got a little hair on the back
of my back, hanging up. Who is? I was watching
some little I was watching this documentary on you. It
was like back in the day or something. It was
like old and who you played against? Harrington? That's my

(22:08):
guy and you you kind of punked him.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, well the number one playing the country coming out,
they came punk hardon that. I wouldn't say that, you know. Yeah,
it was just that the fact, you know he answer, yeah, right,
that's my man. Though I still see how you know,
periodically he lived out here. He moved to Texas, I think,
but uh, you know, he he was the number one

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playing in the country.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
So I'm like, dude, this dude ain't man, what's if
he number one? What am I? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
But that was just the I grew up watching the
Bad Boys, Isaiah Thomas Beer, Rick Mahorn, Dumar Venezine. So
our whole philosophy is that we're coming in. Yeah, we're
coming in to see if you, you know, got some
some toughness about you, because you know, when you watch
the game, when you sports in general, we don't we

(23:02):
can take any sports. When you watch people play, people
can jump and they can run, but it's when the
wheel is tested, is when the real true character come
out and you have that. I've watched you playing playoffs
and I said that, mother fuck you right there with
the k dog. That's he tough. That's all I'm saying.
I've watched it so and you know, because you can't
see it until you see to you around and you

(23:25):
see it because you go seven on seven and you
do all this. And that's kind of what I was
trying to get out of al. You know, you hear
about these guys all the time. You know, Rashan Lewis
was one of the guys too, And uh, you get
in there and I remember playing and we practicing. Uh
we had a guy named Lloyd Price and people don't
even know who that was. And to me, he was
the best player in the because when you get there
and you playing them, now the essence of the people changes, right,

(23:48):
So you're like, let me see what this guy about. Man,
some guys can just jump shooting. They six y nine.
Al Hamilton was a dog. Rashan Lewis was one two.
They were like, I say, d a double G dog. Yeah,
we're is this in?

Speaker 3 (24:01):
This is in? Where's where's this game at?

Speaker 1 (24:03):
This was in Michigan.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
So all American game, round ball game, All American game
was played at the Palace. I think at the Arbor Hills.
It was in the Pistons, I want to say it
was still the Palace. Yeah. And I'm local, local, I'm home.
I'm home, so I'm st at the best player in
the state. Right, So I'm at home and I'm like family, friends, teammates, school,

(24:28):
you know, teachers, principal.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Everybody, every people, everybody, the whole blocks there, the whole
blocks there.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
And that's the beauty of sports, man because sometimes unity, Man,
you're carrying more than just you.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Unfortunately, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
You You just you is your name, but it's you
represent so much more, man, it's.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Everyone who helped you get there. Yeah, is a part
of your.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
People believe in you and you you'd be surprised how
it has an impact on some Man. We had we
a situation where we were winning and people were literally
coming together who didn't like each other because the nephew
or the cousin was on the team. Like anything sports,
that's what they do and that's the beauty of it.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Man.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
They bring people together, which we need.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
Not of left field question. So you were in Detroit
in the nineties. I know you're basketball football guy, but
the Red Wings were killing it.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, Red red Wings is the hockey guy. Yeah, Red
Wings is. I mean, I met Steve iris Man. We was.
I mean, you know, Red Wings is the number one
team in Michigan. That's just what they did they know about.
I'm not a hockey guy, but you I mean, but
they were always winning. So I'm ad, I'm a bandwagon
type of guy. I'm like, they were always winning. You
cannot know the Red Wind Yeah, you cannot know the

(25:38):
toughness that we bring. You come there, We're gonna we
go see what you're But that's that's what I'm saying.
That was a foundation of me growing up. Everything was
about as they will are they tough, And it's not
in a disrespectful way. It's in a competitive way, like
we're just trying. We don't mean no how when we leave, dude,
we you know, we got families and stuff we ain't

(25:58):
you know. But in the sports world, as a competitor,
we gonna feel we're gonna make sure that you you know,
running and jumping is we can get a dog to
do that. You know what I'm saying, You can get
a dog to do that. That's why you win championships
because the third and eight and eighty one hundred thousand
people screaming and you bleed your elbow scraped and cut
and bleeding the wheel that you got. You can't test

(26:19):
that on seven on seven. Coaches can't give you that.
They can call what play they want to call. It
don't matter your will to want to make that play.
The will of Tom Brady won't never reach out to
you and give it to you. That's saying that he
trusts you because he knows if I'm gonna throw the
ball to somebody, I need to him sob to make
the play. And that's the only thing I can see
about you from a distance because I never met you,

(26:42):
and I was able to say, take my money always
making these big plays on third down, you know, and
that's what that was my thing too, So I'm able
to identify with him, like, okay, he went to kids
stay really okay? Yeah right, So I was always rooting
for you, believe or not, bro, because I knew you
went the kid you know. So I was always like,
we did me once. That's why I can't remember once Tonyo.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
See, I don't even know what to call you. What
are the boys call you?

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Agg I asked to everything with old.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Gig, old school.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Now when I was yeah, yeah, toe, they called me everything. Man,
I just answer to everything. I could be anywhere. Somebody
say any one of those, I look up, like, hey,
what was up?

Speaker 3 (27:22):
I did meet you once though, I was in twenty thirteen.
We came out and we played you guys, okay in
on Sunday night football. You guys from the Powder Blues.
You guys were in the Powder Blues. You were in
Tonio fucking Gates already at that time in my career,
and I was just coming up. I was just dipping

(27:42):
my toe into success. I was just starting to catch
a bunch of balls. I was like on the grind.
This was fourteen, I think, and we go and I
had a big ass game. I had like a sixty
nine yard touchdown. I had like one hundred and thirty
or something. And I saw you after the game. You
had like these cool ass fucking ray bands on. You

(28:07):
had a sick ass It wasn't a lot of chain,
but it was a fucking sick chain.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
And you had some kind of cool shirt on. And
I came up and I was like, yo, man, can't
state And and you were in a zone, different zone.
You were leaving and you're like, man, go flashes and
you get one of that and you said I respect you, man,
and you walked off. I was like a little kid
in the candies. I'm like, oh, ship Toyo Gates.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
I was for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
But and then and then and and I tell that
story and people were like, what time? It was a
night game. He was wearing sunglasses. I go, when you're cool,
it's always fucking sunny, kay, todo wear sunglasses that night?
He could wear sunglasses. You were so cool, calm and
collect give you a little something. It dipped out. It

(29:01):
was sick.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Sounds like me, that's that's sure.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah, we got to get into this talk. You got Harrington,
this game that we're about to jump into you over
turn you passed uh Tony Gonzalez who was also a
hooper at col Can you beat them one on one?

Speaker 1 (29:28):
And what all? Yeah? We were different kind of players
one on one right now?

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah in primes if we had AI where we could prime.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
You up quick story.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
So we was in Pro Bowl together and we were
supposed to play one on one. It was set up.
He showed up in flip flops. He showed up. Yeah,
we know you don't have that. That's that bird. He's
a different kind of player though.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, yeah, I love it.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
I love but you.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Know, the players, we know, anybody else be just it's
the media is one thing, and the instrument of what
everybody's saying from a social standpoint is one the players.
We know. You know what I'm saying. I know you
know what I'm saying. I was a score so it
didn't make sense I average twin points. He was a
rebounder like finisher, slash or type of player, which I'm

(30:16):
not discrediting that. I was the guy you had to
stop to win. It's very simple. Don't get no circle.
You stop this, dude, You're gonna win. You know what
I'm saying, it wasn't like you got in here. He
can go laugh and he good good. That wouldn't my
Scott report g A. T E s circle that we
stop him, we win the game against Kent State. It

(30:36):
is very simple. That ain't what different players? You know
what I'm saying. So I don't want to orange and apples.
You can't really you know what I'm saying. You can't
do it.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yes, I mean it was only appropriate for this.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, we just with different players.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
When people ask me all the time, I said, I said,
Antonio Gates, man, yeah different, We're different players. Man, I know,
but I just I say that. Who about There was
that big argument recently that football players and basketball players,
Which what's your take on that?

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Well, you know who.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
What what the football players that you play with you
think that could hoop? And what basketball players you play
with think that or in the league that could play ball?

Speaker 1 (31:21):
I think.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Good is good, Tough is tough. You can go play
on the court.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
I can't play in the court, but you can't.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
What I'm saying, can go play football, That's what I'm saying.
Because he's tough. This is what I'm saying. If you
give me a tough athlete. He's going to prevail because
he's a competitor. That's just what it is. I got
guys in the football league in the NFL on my
team that's phenomenal athletes, but they're not tough. I got

(31:55):
guys in basketball that's phenomenal athletes, and they're not tough.
And you do what you do with those guys who
are not tough. You put them in places to excel.
Tough dudes. You ain't got to do that. They're going
to You can put him in the game. Simple, put
him in the game. He got to be out there somewhere,
slot x z F wherever. Get him in the game.

(32:16):
He's going to excel. Some guys. You gotta, hey, we
gotta draw this playoff for him. Man, he ain't gonna
gotta get him going. We gotta get him going. Let's
run this deep over right. We gotta get him.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
You know what I'm saying. And that's how it is
in basketball.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Some guys, you gotta run screens for get him off,
two screens underneath, get him with a couple of threes.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Get him going.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
They can't guard you, bro, I'm telling you, you got
to tell him they can't guard you. Some guys you
plat him play and he gonna know this dude can't
guard me. He's going to dominate the game from the
get go. And I think that's the difference. It's like,
the best ones are the ones that can do both.
They are physically athletic and they're tough. Those are the
ones that excel at the highest level. Then you got

(32:55):
ones that can excel, and then every now and then
you feel like, you know, a little forking roll comes
up because they can't they're not as tough.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
And we've had that.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
We have receivers that when you watch them, you're like,
this is crazy. But you start jamming them, they start hitting,
you know, you know now, yeah he started, he started,
he stopped running towards the ball a little bit. His
arms get a little short. We called him alligator arms,
all right, So all of a sudden, he ain't catching
the past, he ain't going across the judge it right.
But all the tough ones are the tough ones. All

(33:25):
the good ones are the good ones. So the comparison,
it is like, because we grew up playing everything I did,
at least, you know, my generation in the eighties and nineties.
We grew up playing everything. You know, we were tough
on football field, I was. I was a competitor there.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I was a competitor on the court.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
I was a competitor in two square, four square, Domino's space,
and you know what I'm saying, jump rope, we start,
double dude, we jump rope, and I'm trying to win
double Dutch, Double Dutch.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
So that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
So the competitors is, you know, essentially, it's who excels
and everything you do, the tough competitors because they compete,
you know what I'm saying. When you got there, I'm
sure you probably thinking like, damn, this dude can run.
He's six or five that can run. But when you
play the game, they don't play like you. Right now,
they are like, okay with Julian, come starting. Matter of fact,
you beat a guy for us because we can depend on.

(34:14):
And that's how I end up playing. I was just competing.
I remember getting rag Dog and like nine on seven
inside runs and I remember just holding on. I'm like, dude,
I just throw me any kind of way. So I
started off in the run game. But they were just
watching me as a basketball player compete. I wasn't like
dominating dominating, but I was like, dude, you ain't just

(34:36):
throw me around. That ain't gonna happen. Yeah, I'm like,
when he was stronger than me, I said, okay, d
he's stronger than me, right, let me get in. I
gotta get I gotta be quicker. I gotta give up
the ball quick. I gotta get there. I gotta get
inside quicker. Right. So if he's strong quick, I'm like, okay, oh,
you probably got to run out of the way. Let
me do this, let me switch it up on him,
you know what I'm saying. So we making the necessary
adjustments and we compete. Man, I'm just a competitor.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
That It's just it.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
You're a competitor. I'm a competitor. So whatever it was,
even in this space, now your competitor right, got me here, right,
So that's what I'm saying. You just competing, man, It's
just life.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
So what I took from that football players would compete
the ship out of basketball players.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah right, I ain't gonna say that their competitors. You know,
all the obvisers of the world who played.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
But that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
All obvious of the world.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
And then the Ronald Curry's on the football side, Cordell
Stewart's I'm going a little older because I'm trying to
name a guy that I felt like had both. You
know to me, Ronald Curry who played for the Raiders.
I don't know if you really remember him. A lot
of guys play the game of basketball, but they're not
really playing. Yeah, I don't like the I don't want
to keep discussing them. They're not playing. They're not right,

(35:48):
They're not circled. A guy got a foul trouble and
you got in the game.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah, they're not a circle.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
You ain't right, You're right.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Ronald Curry on the roster, Charlie Ward, you.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Know what I'm say.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
And those guys, I don't want to say that anymorelled
Yeah he was, he was football.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
He was so I grew up watching him, so I knew.
He went to the Knicks.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
He played point guard in his quarterback from Florida State,
Florida State. I want to say, you want the heights, Maan.
I want to say that those were the guys, in
my opinion that I seen that I was able to say.
I'm trying to be in that space. You know, most
of the guys either doing one or the other. Good,
you know what I'm saying, These guys were doing both,
like you know, you know, I guess Dion Sennens would
obviously be the pinnacle of it, right playing at the

(36:29):
baseball and so.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
He's another Jackson, Bo Jackson.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
You know, Michael Jordan still Michael Jordan, he played baseball
a little bit, but right, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
So I just but those are the guys I've seen.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Deon Senda's in my opinion, bo Jackson would be the
pinnacle of somebody doing something to sports.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
While I just watched that documentary where Dion played in
the game and then went to go on the same
day and there's some bullshit.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Bo Jackson was like that too. I want to say
both probably was even, if not better than the im both.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
You know what I'm saying, Well, there was some drama
behind it, like the team started Atlanta started getting mad.
You gotta watch it. It was fucking Sickle's just jump into
this competitiveness. Because when you were talking about that and
then you went into how you transitioned into a tight end.
For me, it was every day was a competition with

(37:23):
myself because I would see the other guy who was
a polished technician. I saw Wes Walker in his prime
and how he was running routes and shit, and like
I was like, man, if I think about that, it's
gonna kill me emotionally. I gotta think about how do
I make myself better? Like so I would always just
every day just I gotta do everything this right I got.

(37:45):
I just gotta work on this. I gotta work the
top of my route because I never I never felt
it before. Just like you walk me through how you
transitioned in like that first training camp, that first whenever
you got there the mini camp. Talk me through that,
because I couldn't even get into a fucking receiver stance. Bro.
I watched my rookie mini camps. I watched my rookie

(38:07):
mini camp recently or like a year ago, and I'm
sitting here looking like the hunchback of Notre Dame trying
to take off on a release, walking through how you
transition because you didn't the sport.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah yeah, right, what dude? Like you know what I'm saying.
It's the same for everybody. Man, it's the it's the
you know, it's the progression. It's the stages, right, you know,
that's stage one for me and you that ain't that
don't change, you know, for me, it was even you know,
probably more complicated, you know, the range of which I

(38:40):
had to come from because I didn't play college football.
But I think it served me somewhat on an advantage
because I didn't have any what I would like to
consider credit.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
I didn't have any bad habits.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
I'm like, you're had a fresh canvas, right, So I
was learning from a clean slate.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
But right, but.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Unlike you know, unlike people that's like you know what
I'm saying, they come there and they already learned.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
How to run.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
You know, you learn how to do so now you're
trying to change what you learn in Kent State, say it, God,
come from miskan Or, Ohio. They changing what they've already
learned for three or four years. And I didn't have
to change nothing. I just had to learn it from
the first time. So I felt like it was somewhat
easier for me. Like credit, you better to have no
credit than bad credit, right, So it was like I

(39:27):
felt like I was it was a little easier transition.
It wasn't easy. I just felt like it was easier.
I couldn't get in the stands. You know what I'm saying, right,
I couldn't understand motion, remember right.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
Yeah right, I'm not Yeah, I'm trying to see what
the covers of that, right.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
So I got to a point I was so bad.
They just told me to just stand up. Just do
what you want to do, jays. Yeah, I would stand
up at the end of the line, I would do whatever,
because they got to be worried about what I'm doing
at this point, Why I'm worried about what they're doing.
So yeah, it got to that level. But the idea
was I just remember learning watching who I thought. Like

(40:04):
when you said watching who, I thought, who is your guy?

Speaker 1 (40:08):
I mean we had a.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Guy called named Eric Parker who played receiver from Tennessee
and he was our starting receiver. And obviously, you know
we had Keenan mc carter came along. But Eric Parker
to me initially was a guy who ran robs to
the tea, dropped his weight, I mean coming at you
full speed, drop his way, and I mean two or
three steps he coming out. He ain't overstepping to come

(40:31):
out of shit like everything. I'm like, this is why
he's starting simple, this is why he's starting right.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
And then I was as I matured.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
And I got a chance to go to the Pro
Bowls and I start watching Marvin Harrison. He was another
guy that I would watch in practice and like, this
is crazy to me.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
This is perfect to me.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
You know, even though I'm playing tight end, I'm still
with the vision of what I think a perfect route
runner looks like. And I think that's how I seen it.
I didn't see I wouldn't like watching. And obviously I
grew with tight ends in my room, the guys who
preformed me. But I was learning from them how to
be a professional. So we had the ultimate professionals for
the Chargers. That's the beauty of it. I was learning

(41:15):
from guys that was in my space, and I was
just like, Okay, he's taking notes, he's doing this, he's
making sure this is his footwork. Okay in the run game,
huh okay, get your inside hand inside, get your foot down,
get them get them foot in the ground, or you're
gonna get through wrong. This is day too strong. These
are five techniques, you know what I'm saying. Back then,
it was a four to three defense, so it wasn't
the stand up line. It was a guy his hands

(41:36):
and there he was two ninety five. They was trying
to stop the run back then, you know what I'm saying.
So it changed to a three four as like we
got going. But everybody was playing four three when I
got there, and I had an end. Pretty much every
time it's handing the ground. So I remember saying, man,
I gotta get my feet in the ground.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
I got to put that in.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Who are the early and huge I mean back in
the day, I remember, you know.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
I'm going over in my head and the vision. Yeah,
we had some, but like the handle.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
They were like the big run stoppers, so they wasn't
the major playmakers.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
You know.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Now guys are sacking, you know what I'm saying. Then
the three four came, and then you get you got
the merriorments, and then the vans came and all over
the rockers and all those guys are just coming around
the edge. But now we're spraying blocking now, you know,
we trade blocking to the backside, were leaving the inn,
were leaving the sand banking for the full back.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Before that, it was just those three guys.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Was in the box and it was those four down linemen,
and I mean I had him. He was at a
seven on, he was in y nine and it was
mine and it was just dude. I used to be like, Yo,
why do you keep helping this guard?

Speaker 1 (42:37):

Speaker 2 (42:38):
He had to tackle, would have to go down. I
don't know if you understand the run game. Yeah, yeah,
so you know I would always had me on my own.
It's means him. But that's why I wouldn't know two
thirty five tight ends. Back in those days, you have
to be to sixty two seventy. I was a legit
two fifty five to sixty and.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
That was a smaller range, right, so now these tight
ends are even thirty two.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
They bulking up the two fo Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
There's there's no true tight end.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
There's no true tight ends. No more.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
There's a couple. I mean there's a there's a few.
I don't want to throw that out there, but I
think the position has changed in a space game.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
And more of a passing oriented. It was power in
order for you to play for the charges back then. Yeah,
three overturn man Shah.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Was first Shottenheim receipt.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah, man, Sheinheim was first. Had to block power. You
had to block. I don't care what you can do.
If you came block Power, you came block counter, you
came block that lee Io. You you ain't playing. And
that's how I got in the game. People don't know
that that's how I got not because I was just
so dominanting to run.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
But I was like.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
I know, I got a block this dude to make
the team. So I'm just saying I'm gonna compete, and
I was just finding ways using angles. I got to
a point where the dudes were so strong. I'm like,
I got I gotta get to him before he can
get I will swipe the hands down, get him off ball,
get it to him right then, I say, yeah, I know,
because they ain't never been out there, probably they ain't blocking.

(44:08):
The dude say, would accept the hit and let him
take and.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Take I'm okay, yeah, I'm okay, gone. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
The players coming right behind me the time. It's counters
Power that's just coming right behind the tight end.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
You know what I'm saying. So it's like, dude, I
got whatever.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
I say, you say the same thing. You ain't ever playing.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
You ain't never been out there.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Changing up, a change up. What's got to be a
change up in there.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
They got to know. That's the beauty of playing. You
gotta know when you get out there. Dudes that they
would tell you know how this goes. Dudes that they
would say, that's good. You get out there, and they
wouldn't always that great to you. But dudes the day
be like, now this guy, you should go for one
fifty on him.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I get out there, I'm like, damn.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
This pretty good, though, Yes, you know what I'm saying, right,
I'm like, damn, this dude pretty good.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
And they be like, no, what are you doing? You playing?

Speaker 2 (44:55):
You fing a round? And I'm thinking myself, like, not really,
he's really covering me, you know what I'm saying. That's
how it always is. Always the guy that names and
you get out there and there they good, don't get
me wrong, but they more playmakers. But then it'll be
a guy who don't make as many plays. But he
don't really do nothing wrong either. He just depressed. He
say he played cover three, right, he played cover four right,

(45:16):
he played cover two right, he played man good? I
mean he played inside man good. Play two men good.
He staying inside and I'm like, damn, I can't get
And he's fast and he's strong. And I know that
because I would play against guys all the time and
I would have good games, but I'd be like, man,
I worked my ass off for this.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Excuse my language. You know what I'm saying. Okay, Yeah,
you know I said.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
You know you don't swear.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
You know. When I'm at home, I do whatever.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
You like. Philip Rivers, Gosh.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Ain't nobody like Philip? Yeah, nobody like Philip. Yeah, get
your ass lined up.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Words, gods darn it, let me.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Get your ass lined up in the right spot.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Yeah, he don't drop.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
No. OK, Well, he's unbelievable. He's different.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
I want to get back in to blocking. When was
your first baptized moment in the in the NFL? One
of these was it could have been training camp or
was it in a regular season? You're like, oh, this
blocking ship is a little tough. Yeah, there's one time
when gaptized.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, but that was from the get go, from get going,
from the get go, from training camp. I was yeah,
I he passed away. His name was Adrian Dingo and
from Clark.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Yeah, he passed away. Adrian Dingo.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
He from Clemson, and I remember he was an Ian
and then I remember going against him and I never
had heard of his name. I never knew who he was.
I've been playing video games forever, so I know people.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
You know what I'm saying. I'm like, who is this dude?

Speaker 2 (46:48):
And he was playing good. That's what I'm saying about
the lead. He was a starter and he was good
and I could not get knocked, like damn, I can't
block this. And he was just like that's what I'm saying,
Like I'll be on you know how you be like
on one foot you see the field and you like
like every time I look up, I'm grabbing his jersey
like cause he flinging me everywhere and I'm just trying

(47:08):
to hold on. And I just was like, man, I go.
I said, man, we got a due named Adrian Dingo.
You play defense this he's really good, Like he's really good,
and you just say you love committing commenting your teammates.
That was my thing. People always say I complimented my teammates.
I always would say that, but I'm like, no, I'm
telling to tell you. But he never he was always injured.

(47:29):
He would always play six seven game star knee problem,
take him out the lineup, get him, have to come back.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
So he always had a knee issue.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
That's a difference with football and basketball.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Though.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
You know there's fifty three guys when you're in the NFL,
every one of those motherfuckers was the best guy on
their team. Yes, you know, it's just there's so many guys.
Everyone is good, you know, like in the NBA, and
there's fifteen guys in the roster, so you know, the
whole fucking roster.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Yeah, yeah, like in the NFL, Like I remember, it
reminded me of when Rob Ninkovich, remember him linebacker. He's
a really good player for us, won three Super Bowls.
He was a fucking at a point in his career
where he's a long snapper in New Orleans. We brought
him in on like his third year and we had

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Matt Light who was like a fucking stunt. In his
first day in training camp. He gave Matt like the
work like he was just like a possessed animal, you know,
and it was like he was on it. He was like,
you know what I mean, it's just one of those
things where that's what made him. He made the team
because of that that one day. Yeah, I just remember

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like that, those one on one periods, that's where because
we would watch it in front of the whole team,
and that's where you get exposed, like you do a
good play right there, like on one on ones against
the corners. You know, Bill would show it. If you
got himmed up, he'd show that too, so like it
would build.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Like, yeah, that's how.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Those old school coaches were.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
How was mart We watched the film together, the whole team.
So I remember when it was like my play coming up,
I'm like about.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
To play forty eight.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I'll be doing to play and everything we already went
over in the tight end room. So we get to
the whole and Marty was the kind of guy he
was just you know in North too.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
So I had some great, you know, great coaches my career,
but the idea was like, you know, this was early
on in my career. He made us the accountability. That's
how it started, right and North Turner was the same way.
It was just being accountable that you know, you had
to be accountable, and you know, because they would show
a guy named Lorenzo neil in our room. He didn't

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know this, and they'd be like, watch this, watch him play,
and it felt like he never had a misplay. I'm like,
this block blocks it's got every single time. This guy
is not don't be that was off. Don't be the
one to let the team down. Yep, don't don't let
your guy be the one to make the tackle. That's
the major concept. Obviously, it's hard, it's very hard, you

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know what I'm saying. But the ideas Linn's O'Neil. You'd
be like, this is unreal. We'll watch a whole game
and I'm like, this guy never made the play, the
guy that he had never made to play, and I'm like,
how do I get to that level of like focus
and dominance because he was dominant. He was the best
fullback that I have seen, one of probably the best

(50:21):
blocker period that I have seen, because he got on
you and it was over. It was just he was
five eleven and you know, Lorenzo O'Neil, she be in
the Hall of Fame probably you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
But he blocked for Corey Dillon. He blocked for everybody.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
He's blocked for he has had a thousand yards he
get on you and it was it was and I
know that's hard professional, you know how it is in
past pro you get back there, they have you probably
doing some stuff in f I don't know. I'm assuming
they did. I had I had one Rex call Yeah
right right, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Can I can see you doing that? That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
With Lorenzo O'Neil, when the fullback has a cowboy caller on,
let's go see what you're what you were explaining why
he's a Hall of Famer because he was a guy
that was doing that and he played on some good
football teams, but he never got to play at the pinnacle.

(51:13):
The difference between that is there's more guys like you
that are are sitting there seeing Lorenzo O'Neill. Man, if
I'm just doing my job and he does his job
and we all just fucking do our job for that
one play and it may be something. That's how success
is made.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Team was team, That's how the winners.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
You know what I mean, That's what that's what I
was thinking about. I was like, I remember being the
same way, Like you're just looking at like, how does
this guy he just does his job every time, every time,
and then they throw him a bone every once in
a while, but he does, and then everyone like, all.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Right, he does? Is he hit a sixteen year career
from ninety three to two thousand and eight, he only
ever scored one touchdown a season and never scored more
than one touchdown.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
This he's going to be should be a lot of
Before we jump into this game, we got to talk
over some of the greatest tight ends. I got to
play with Gronk. Who were we obviously Tony Gonzalez were
who are your tight ends that you would always eye
during your career? And then what do you think about

(52:20):
the tight end? Like the Kelsey's going on right now,
the Andrews right now, I like that likely. I think
he's going to blow up a little bit. Baltimore Bowers like,
what do you think about these tight ends now? And
who are the tight ends that you fucking were always
like looking at?

Speaker 1 (52:39):
You know?

Speaker 2 (52:39):
The little wrinkle in my initial arrival for the charges
was at that particular time, tight ends was really not
doing that. You were blocking, we were running power, we
were running counter shot. Yeah, so that was like the
thing I remember the things that I initially started doing

(53:00):
that the position would be I would be getting cursed
out a lot. I know, every practice, I would be
getting curted. You can bat if you came to a
practice from O three the old side. I was getting
cursed out like that first couple of years because I
was doing so much thing like it wasn't it was
the enemy of great being. I was just doing what
I wanted to do, and they like, what are you doing?

(53:20):
We told you to go sixteen? But I'm like, yeah, coach,
he was sitting there. I went fourteen. I came in
across his face, right. So that was my philosophy.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
But I still you didn't know conceptually that you had
to go sixteen because there's a guy at four. Yeah,
you guys were you weren't there yet.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
I wasn't there yet. But it was more so in basketball.
I was always taught to get away from the defender
and create space wherever he was at. My goal was
to turn your hips and get you moving in a
different direction for me to get my shot off. So
I had that naturally. That was just my thing. I
didn't care what the right way. It could be a
slant if it's a three step slant.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Once he turned his hips, I'm coming in there. So
I know you guys, so I but I know you
doing three step drop. I know I got time to
play with him. Sometimes I'm not gonna take three steps
based on who it is, right, Some guys ain't going
for it.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Some guy.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
I got to just act like I'm doing something and
get in there. Depends on what the situation is. I
would get cursed out so much. Everything that I would.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Do was no, no, no, no, no no. What did
you doing?

Speaker 4 (54:21):
You short?

Speaker 2 (54:22):
You ain't deep enough, You ain't this? Why did you
do that? Too much game in the route, too much
wiggle right till everybody start to do that. So now
the transition is that people are actually accepting that.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Now.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
When I did it, it wasn't done. Guys would go
fourteen yards in, they would go a six yard out,
they would go eight yard across the ball curl. It
wasn't no pivot and wrinkles to it. You know what
I'm saying. That was basketball I started. I'm not saying
I started it, but when I was doing it, it
was like I.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Would get graded off really bad.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
But I have a seven for one thirty in the
game and a touchdown, you know what I'm saying. And
they'd be like, dude, you're killing us. The quarterback he
don't know what to do, right, I know, And I'm like, yeah,
we called it because that's how I played football in
the streets. It was like go to the car and
turn around, do this. He was over there to create.
You created it in a way, and you know because

(55:16):
you kind of I started watching and y'all kind of
play it like that too, kind of like, you know,
give him the sign at the top. It got to
that point in ross give him something when you you
didn't really want to do that. You would want to
speed cut out. When I first got to lead everything,
it was a speed cut, speed cut and Tim Dwight
was watched him. Dwight, He's going to come and speed
cut out, an option roup, speed out, green grass, run out,

(55:39):
write zone, offside release, hook, simple and I just used
that and I built on the idea of my natural
ability was giving me more of an advantage than it
was anything else. I would make plays in the game
and they'd be like, what was you thinking on that.
I'm like, well, coach, I know it was covered too Mike,
and he'd been watching me run a pivot, all right,

(56:00):
so I got a deep over. Instead of me just
getting up and running so he can turn and run
with me, I made it look like I'm about to
stop and sit down, and then.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
I go behind him. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
But I'm holding him. I'm freezing him, Yeah, like a ship,
like a ship.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
So then we came We came up with the route.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Gates got the shemy he got this he got because
I was doing it naturally. I did everything off my
pivot or everything off my sticky, or everything off my seven.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Runs to steal all that stuff from you guys.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
And I remember running it.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
I'm like, we used to give it to Hernandez.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Hernandez was a beast.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
He was because he was cold on he was cold
on the hoot.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
He was the one I was worried about the most
between menu. So the speaking of when I was watching,
and I didn't really watch as much because the space
that I was in, with all due respect, I was
doing my own kind of thing. So it was hard
because I remember watching Denver and they played the Patriots
and Grunk was playing and he was in tight in

(56:56):
gold Line package and he popped out wid I want
to say a fade environ Miller was the linebacker.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
He popped out wide right. We played them leaves.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Harrison stayed in the game, go line, they don't come out,
so I couldn't really say we're going, this is what's.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
About to happen.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
So I got to that level where I knew I
just got to kind of go and ad just as
I go. I don't know what they're gonna do. I
don't know who Woson guarded me on third down. Chap
came in and guarded me on third down. So that's
not truly the normalcy in terms of what you would see.
And I remember seeing Hernandez play, and I remember what
we would say in practice too, and I'm like, they

(57:35):
would come to me and they asking me, and again
I'm not It's hard to say because you don't want
to discredit anything with anybody grunting. It's phenomenal Hall of
fame in my opinion, But we felt like Hernandez was
at that particular moment, he was more of a difficult
thing to cover because of his ability, and I always
felt like him and Kellen Winslow Jr. Was more closer

(57:58):
to me than anybody else. Based on my appearance of
what I'm seeing, I'm like, I gotta get going. So
when we played him, I'm like, I'm gonna show this
boy what's happening. He ain't coming here. But he was
such a phenomenal player. He can put him at running back,
put him at AF, you can put him at why
put him at Z? You put him at X. And
that's kind of what we really did. Essentially, I was
everywhere moving around and I just think of myself. I said,

(58:22):
I know what y'all keep saying, but I'm telling y'all
who I think is I need to worry about.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
We used to know. We used to watch a lot
of your stuff and give a lot of those things
to him, And I watch a lot of your routes
and I watched Aaron. He was a technician and routes,
but he also knew he was like a football route runner.
Because there's guys that are basketball guys that know how
to get open and there's your technical football guys that

(58:50):
just know, like they know movement and stuff, but they
also get their debt. He combineded those yes, you know,
and so he had that crossover at the top of
his route where he would break a dude off. But
he was too forty. He was kind of smaller, but
he was. He wasn't you. He wasn't as big, but
he was still two forty five. He was at two

(59:11):
fifty and then he listened lost of the way, but
like he can move like no other. Like you're saying, yeah,
I think it's a lot of it had to do
with the basketball.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
He was special. Stay the least. I've watched him and
I said to myself.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
I'm basketball. I bet yeah, because he was. He you
know he could.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Kellen Winslow senior junior was special too to me, he
just didn't his career didn't elevate.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
But he's another one that I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
When I was thinking about the guys to worry about,
You know how, you got your competitors in the social world,
like who the media things I need to compete with,
and then I got my own independent like visual, this
is who I think he coming.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
You know what I'm saying. You know who you think?

Speaker 2 (59:51):
You know how it is when you go out there.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
You like that he's a badass.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Keller Winslow's junior, I should say he kept having knee problems.
But I watched him run a why post and I'm like,
this my fucking play Like that was my rock. That
was what I ran. We have the same We can
move you, we can move you, we can get you
to move over, and you'll be like, oh, look at
that rock. I mean, anytime you can watch a guy,

(01:00:16):
you'd be like, oh look at that move. That's what
I you know what I mean. Generally you usually refer
to people like you. So that's why it's so hard
to make the judgment and comparisons, right, who the best is? What?

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I feel like these guys played similar, right Tony and
Grunk and Jason, like they were more six seven Shaq
Shaquille O'Neil kind of players, you know what I'm saying,
Like they dominated in that space of he's never covered,
you know what I'm saying. I've seen two guys in
playoff game against grind and he still threw it to
him and he's still calling. I'm like, golly, they like

(01:00:51):
they just throwing it up. But I'm like, no, that's
hard to do. They know they going to him and
they own him and still That's what I'm saying. So
he's that kind of player. I was more like, get
me in space.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Who are you? Then? Koby Nah?

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
I would be like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
I would probably be like Laja if it makes sense,
If that makes sense from the comparison standpoint, I can
make you miss, I'm gonna make you look crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
I can be big if I need to. But I
want to make it. I want to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
I want to come and we want to watch film
and they be like, watch this move Gates put on
him today. That was kind of how we've seen it,
Like look at this, watch this pivot row, right, that's
how we That's that was our high five.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
When you made the guy move off his spot and
you've got separation looking over here and you going this direction.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. You have the same kind
of cons That's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Where we had.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Somebody didn't have a basketball. But you used to call
it like a jig almost because there's like a it's
like a you know what I mean, there's like a
thing at the time, crossovers.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
Basically you see some of these wide receivers. Actually you're
doing crossovers now.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Yeah. Ke On, the guy that you played with, he
did a lot of that at like at line of scrimmage,
I feel, was he good A hoop?

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Yeah he's good?

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Yeah yeah, right, but there's that basketball is huge. We'll
be right back after this quick break. Let's jump into
the segment where we go back in a time real
quick and we go over pop culture. This game took
place on September seventeenth, twenty seventeen. Look at some of

(01:02:30):
this stuff out here. Number one movie it that's the
clown one. Taylor Swift was a huge impact, still making impact. Desposito.
That was a that was a killer. I went to
Mexico City and we were.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
That was.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
We were in Mexico a few months before this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Yeah before this, Yeah, I didn't play this season.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
I didn't know that. I didn't know that the.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Seventh all the team were won in sixteen in preseason
and fucking Detroit Dog with that turf in seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
You to a c that's what one y'all didn't win it.
That's what you're saying. No, that's what you're saying. Basically
what you say. I told my cl so Philly won
it that year, man, but you know I came.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Back after that, right, that's what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
That's a good one though. Yeah, that's cool. Let's good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Pedal the back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
I told yeah, I can't stay flashes in your day
fifty they told my ah, So.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
We didn't get we didn't get it done that year.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
But you know they had like you know super Yeah, yeah,
I know, but they didn't win it. That's what you're
trying to tell me. I didn't say that is reality.
I'm just speaking facts. I'm not I'm saying that you
didn't see it. Yeah, you said, I told my A.
I said, I never do that, And I was like, okay,
that's the year y'all didn't win it. Right, That makes
about right, that's about right right now, you got right?

(01:04:03):
What was it?

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
What were you doing twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Twenty seventeen, I was kind of playing retiring because I
think we were making the transition. It's funny because I
needed one more touchdown to be done in La and
in San Diego and they were chanting, were playing the
Chiefs and I had to catch two, you know what
I'm saying, to break the record, and I ended up
catching one. They were chanting and chanting, you know when
we get in the red zone and I couldn't so

(01:04:29):
it forced me to come back for one touchdown, right,
And I remember meeting with Anthony Lane and we talked
and they were talking about this whole pay cut thing,
and I was like, I need one touchdown, coach. I
can't take no pay cut, No, no, not this time.
Maybe a nothing of lifetime, but not this one. I

(01:04:50):
still remember that though, So that's how I know. We
were making a transition from San Diego to LA and
I played. So I played the year eighteen and then
I end up breaking the record, say eighteen, and then
Hunter Henry, who was supposed to take over, who was
now a Patriot, he towards a cl and training camp
at nineteen. So that's why I got two extra years
out of my career, because I would have retired had

(01:05:11):
I caught the I caught the second touchdown, I would
have broke the record. It would have been like two
thirteen or something, and then I would have been just done.
We was coming to LA and because they was going
to ask me to take a pay cut, right and
I was in my last year of my contract, and
that probably wasn't gonna happen, and then boom it would
have been, and then they would have had obviously the
leverage would have changed traumatically because I broke the record,
but by me needing one, I knew I actually I

(01:05:32):
tied the record, so I don't need it. Yeah, I
tied Tony's record, and then I only need the one
to break it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
And I was like, well, you know, we man for
hours and hours, and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
I remember Coach coming to me talking about you know,
he flew into Detroit, you know. You know, I was like,
I don't think so, Coach. You know, I got a
lot of you know, skin in the game, a lot
of sweat, tears and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Pain, and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
This is gonna be for this, not me all like
the ultimate charge?

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Why ask me? You know, That's how I felt. It
wasn't nothing personal. It was great.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
The conversation was great, The situation went great. It was
a very smooth transition to the season.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
That's what people don't know though. Yeah, you know, the
business part, business part of it, and the teams coming
asking for that money.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Yeah, yeah, that's we all.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Got an opinion on that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
We were moving coming to l A and we were
dealing wrong, and we were at cars and we were
home depot cent and we're playing like that a little
home but It was cool, man. It was like the
NFL team.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
But it was cool though. It was I wanted a
soccer field, right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
It was cool though. It was like it was always
packed the course, right, so but it was like everybody
was like on top of the top of you. And
it was cool though too. You know, the training camp part,
the facilities and all that we were just based on
like certain junior colleges and stuff. So that was the
struggle from a training camp perspective. No ice tubs. We
had to kind of create. Yeah, so we had to

(01:06:54):
create that training camp was rough, but uh, it was
that was the train transition part. And I was surprised
how well Los Angeles welcomed us because I always felt
like the Chargers, the Angels, the Clippers were always like
the step child, just like natural because they're not you know,
the Rams and the Raiders and the Dodgers. The Lakers

(01:07:16):
are the first, you know, yeah, that's the bread winner
of the you know, Los Angeles community. But they welcomed
us with open arms, man, And it was a very
very good experience for me. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
I was I had fun. I enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
That's sad, you know, it was sad, but cool. Because
I loved the San Diego and that whole thing that
was I've only played I played there twice. It was
a horrible stadium, yeah, awful, but it had a charm
about it. It was like tucked up in that hill,
like there was like a little there was like a
presence about it, like it was such an old stadium

(01:07:50):
where you it felt like there was really good grass.
Remember you guys had a pretty good grass at the end
when you guys weren't sharing and sharing. Yeah, Like I
just I felt bad for the San Diego people. But
it's exciting right now, especially with what you guys brought
over to La into what they've become now. You know,
they this hardball thing that's exciting, huh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
He's think about what he's done in the year. Yeah,
and I know it's hard to get to the postseason
and it's very hard, but it's more so what he's
did it with. He's done it with when you change
every skill position player. We got both our receivers going,
tighten going on, running backs going, they're all new as
and you know, I think Herbert ye, yeah, a ton

(01:08:35):
of respect for him. We we I mean, we love
him here in Los Angeles and he's always been here,
so you know, he played with the Chargers, he was
in Stanford for a while, so yeah, and he's won
everywhere he's went. He has a pedigree that I don't
need to speak upont. He got his own legacy in itself.
I think we just excited that we got him on
our side.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
A god that we feel like is es centrally heading
in the right direction. That's really what it's all. A boy,
we was I was not expecting this to happen so fast,
because you know, it's the rebuilding situation, right, trying to
get the pieces of the puzzle and you look up
and it's week six, you know what I'm saying, before
you get the right pieces in.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
But he did it quick.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Yeah, we did go to so we got some good
football players. And that's let you know, even when your space,
when y'all won, you know, the best team is the
best team. Talent is just the foundation, right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
That's everyone's got talented. Everybody got people and talented.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
They That was like one of the things people try
to come at me, like, oh white boy and then
our athlete. Yeah yeah, and you you gave me a
quarter of the game. Yeah, before you look up, before
you look out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
It's too late. It's too late game or too is
too hard. Guys are too gifted.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Everyone's good.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Everybody's good, man, everybody, even if you don't know them.
And that's my point of saying. Even when you get
out there and you're like, man, this dude about to
come on, ain't no way he's there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
He started.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
That's the worst. Yeah, I hate those games.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Sometimes it can backfire on you where it's to a
situation where you can't even get up. Yeah, and you
look up and you know. I remember we lost to
Cleveland and they were like, oh and fifteen, oh and fourteen.
We had to go to Cleveland, and it was a
sign all we want for Christmas is a win. I
told I said, dude, I hate that they ain't want
a game yet, you know what I'm saying. And we
end up losing because you get out there and they
started making plays and they pros. They all Americans, they pros.

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And I still remember that and it was like my
homecoming because I was can't stay Golden Flashes and we
went there signs win.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
I had a bad loss in Cleveland, too. We won't
talk about it. Let's jump into this game, Kyler. Let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
We'll just cover the Dolphins real quick. This is the
second year of that Adam Gase and GM Chris Greer
in Miami. Clyde Christian led the offense, Matt Brookle with
the defense. They would finish six and ten this year.
Some of the notable dudes is Jay Cutler got pulled
out of retirement for this game.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Oh, Jay Cutler. They tried to smoking a cigarette, They
tried to get picks.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Connect you played Jay. He can throw that ball, man.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
He could throw it on Damcin Sue was a fucking monster,
wasn't he.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
I always love those pony twins too, Bonton Parker, Kenny Stills,
Jervis Landry. Let's jump into the Chargers. So just started
to own four cool and grinding your way back. I
liked Anthony Lynn. I liked Anthony Lynn. I remember we
played you guys in eighteen.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
Yeah, this was the first year in Los Angeles. This
was also Anthony Lyn's first season. Ken Wasn't Hunting led
the offense because Bradley led the defense. This was year
fifteen for Antonio Gates. Some of the dudes were Philip Rivers,
Melvin Gordon, Mike Williams, Keenan Allen, Austin Eckler early Austin Eckler.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Eckler took off to this. When Kean took off, I
mean his.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Year because I remember, like I would always, you know,
tell him, dude, I'm just about to pass this torch.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
You know what I'm saying. But he had I mean,
you knew he had it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
Yeah, I mean it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Was obvious, dude, when he was special. He's a football player.
That's the thing. He just can play football. It don't
matter what you can put him, wherever you want to
put him in. It don't even matter. The boy can
play football. He just happened to play receiver. Yeah, I
mean I want to say he's the best receiver I've
seen for us. The Noil Alexander was really good. I

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don't know if you know who that is. He was
the Missouri Yeah, he was really good.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Special for a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
He's special.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
He's quickening with people think, he's faster with people think.
So you watch him, he just plays so methodical because
obviously he's been around. So that's how we play. We
just played. We don't got time to be just blowing
the gast for no reason. I'm just trying to get open,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
You get out there, though, you realize he's faster than
what you think, he's quicker than what you think. Strong
in what you think. You can never tell because he
plays with so much poise. That's kind of how I
played too. We played with so much poise.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
But dude, his routes were good. He was good at
the top of the route, in the beginning of the route.
He coach for the Vikings wide receiver coach Vikings, let's
go koc Kevin O'Connell bringing in the players. It looked
pretty good. How was Rivers?

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Oh, Philip, it's self expansive.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
See him getting I was watching some ship. See him
getting feisty on that sideline.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Right, I mean yeah, he uh, Philip is like what
we talked about. Man, he's you know, I think the
position competitor, right, The position hurts him because if he
was anything else, it would be great, right, Like, this
is what I want. That's what he is. He's an
ultimate competitor.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
He loves to compete, and that's the thing we man.
Our team was so competitive and that's why what what
why me and him excelled collectively together. I mean we
be we be in the back playing dominoes before practice,
competing on that like you cheating man, you we are,
we arguing on a way to you know what I'm saying, walk.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Through you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
So that was the kind of and we was right here,
our lockers were next to each other. That was the
nature how we operated. Like as long as you give it,
you're all, that's all we really cared about. It wasn't
the win and losses that made the different steps. We
wanted to know that we can count on you, and
you were doing your and you it's no better player
than him that you can believe. That's given his all.

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He's giving it everything he got. And that's how he's
talking trailsh while he's doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
He's having fun. So yeah, he's having fun.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Yeah. We would have to tell him time periodically, like listen, man,
you know that's cool you're talking.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
But we got to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Block to these dudes, so you know, you know what
I'm saying. Can you imagine talking crazy that? I want
to say, you're talking crazy?

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
That?

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Like? Was it? Richard Seymour, somebody with these big dudes
up front with the Raiders. I think it was like
Richard Seymour and somebody. I can't think it was Wilkinson
and he just and deal and looking like, dude, you
don't got to block these dudes, Bro, don't keep talking crazy.
You know, like he talking to the best of the
best too though. He's just right. You know what I'm saying.
He's telling you not talking to Joe average Joe blow.

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You know what I'm saying. He might be talking to
Albert Hayes word for Tennessee. And we're like, dude, why
are you gonna talk to him?

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
You know a pistol?

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Why?

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Like we because we got everything up. How you're doing, man?
How the family doing?

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
I seen you over there. Look good man, you look
like you're doing good. Hope anything good?

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
You know how you're trying tool.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Because you just want to win.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
Yeah, I was the guy hitting everything trying to do
that to me was so hill.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
That's him, yell and we're about to go at you.
We have to kill you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
I'm like Philip, listen, man, you know this is the
market is wed Bro, Like, come on, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
It's that kind of It's never like just your average
Joe blow. It's just that the dudes that he respects too.
It's the weirdest thing about him. He's only talking to
this like he that's how he really cares. He really cares,
and he really loves the players too. Because we go back,
he's like, yeah, I got you know, you know what
I'm saying. I mean, they got clippings of him now

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and I just seen one recent jokes and he was
just like, freaking yeah, you He tried to draw him
off side the Raiders or somebody I can't think of
who the team was, and they came off side. He
was like, yep, I just wanted y'all get one more.
Y'all broke the record the most penalties of all time
at the end of the game, you know what I'm saying.
So we already about to win the game and we

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hard counting him, you know what I'm saying, Like, you
know what I'm saying. He's like, Yup, we just needed
to get one more. Y y'all set the records for
the most penalties in the game. And it's just like,
but we got to play him twice a year though,
So now we go back there. You know what I'm saying.
I sayim though, he know, we love it. And that's
what the beauty of being with a guy like that. Man,
He's so fun to be around because you know, you're
getting every thing he got, man, and I enjoyed it

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because that's why it was and that was the similarities
and why we played together for so long.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
How about LT, oh, I mean Hall of Famer.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I think that's an
Astros game. You know what I mean, Guys, you know
what I mean. The Hall of Fame should code with
something that's already you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
T was great, man.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
He was an ultimate competitor too. Man, he wanted to
be the best. You know what I'm saying. He was
that kind of but LT was the kind of guy
that did everything right too.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
You know what I'm saying. He was you know what
I'm saying. I mean me, I was the locker room dude.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
We shooting dice. We you know saying, I'm not dude,
I'm in the locker room. He was like, he did
everything right, you know what I'm saying. He was married
he was you know, he was the stand up and
which stund Yeah you know, you know you got those guys.
I'm not saying, yeah yeah, everything was professional. Professional, And
that's what we would use ass you know what I mean,

(01:17:31):
a springboard just what this is what you This is
the level. This is what you got to get to
right for you to really really understand right, one m
v P one year, you know at the league, what
twenty something touchdowns one year? You know, top five ten
in touchdown scoring.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
So I would have to That's the that was the
that was the thing. So he it's like still shopping steel.
I knew I had to score because I when I
got inside the five and didn't get in, they don't matter.
They chanted the whole stadium is aot alt and I
don't gut us all the way down to the one
and you see that flip and I'm like, look at
this another one for him and he's getting there so
he ain't missing his opportunity. So that was like the

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you know, the steel shopping steel. And we will say it,
we literally receivers tight ends anybody else.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
If you get.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Inside the team, you batter score ain't batter score because
you know LT scoring and when he get it, he's scoring.
So it ain't like we give it to him just
to give it to him. We know we're going we
got it for sure score. So that's the beauty of him, man.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
I love him.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Man. He's like a good friend of mine.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Man. So he the one brought me out and introduced
me in the whole of fame. So he's my dude. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
He's third an all time touchdowns with one sixty two,
right behind Im Smith, just ahead of Randy Moss.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Imagine me and him on the same team. We were
gonna we scored.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
We're fourteenth with one sixties insane. Yeah, for a while,
we only caught you every once in a while.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
Though I caught this at the right time.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
You guys you played early Patriots too, man, like you
wouldn't when we fourteen to two, where.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
We know we were better than that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Because I was in pro ball with Taky Bruce Skin
and I'm like, it's no way, no disrespect. It ain't
no way he can they gonna line him up on
me one on one, So I just knew that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
But they just know how to play well together. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
It was just I seen Relaship was funny. I've seen
him at the Super Bowl and I was talking to said,
I don't think I ever beat the Patriots. I think
I don't think I ever beat the Patriots. So I'm like,
so tell me what y'all was really doing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Coach. I was like, yeah, that's what he said.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
We had the w put an X on you, and
he started that whole idea when he can. He was
notorious of taking what he wants out of the game,
and it was like, nobody else can do that. I'm
just played discipline. Yeah, like nobody else is capable of
doing that. When he wants you xed out the game,
you are exed out the game. He's notorious for that,

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and somebody else is gonna be your second and third option.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Won't have to win the game.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
I'll be like, Coach, we you know we playing, like yeah,
to get me moving, well, he let me start in
the backfield and motion out to this side. He can't
do it, then he still found a way to do it.
He was like, he's a defensive genius. You asked me,
bro and.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
He was something special. That guy.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
One more thing before we jump from the Chargers. Your
first touchdown was from Doug Flute. Doug Flutie, he talked
about that. Yeah, I love Flutes. He's a Boston guy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
You know, charity ship together all the time and I've
done a bunch of stuff with the Doug Flutie Foundation,
and he's he's just a legend. I loved him because
I was a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Yeah yeah, he was small, small hoop yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
Hoop.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Yes he can he's still the game. He can play,
that is one hundred percent. So what happened was, uh,
I don't know if people know about the story with
Drew Brees, but Drew Brees was our starter and you
know some you know, he had a tough time at
the time, strug. You know, people were booing, right the

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reason why Rivers was drafted. Yeah, reason why Rivers was drafted.
So that was right. So I guess throughout the year,
you know, they decided to go with Flutie and then
I was in the rotation at the time and Flooty
started throwing me the ball and so so he think
my very first day down he was throwing me the
ball and everything. And what happened was I guess from

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my understanding. Again, don't quote me on this Flutie needed
X amount of snaps or something with the contract or
whatever the case may be. So it wouldn't like we
were going to the playoffs. We were four and twelve then, yeah,
you know, so it was like, we need to put
Drew back in the game. And that's kind of where
I started, you know, So me and Drew started really
after he obviously seeing this is what's happening with Flutie. Okay,

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maybe let's try this kid out. Let's try this young
rookie out. Let's see what he can do. Right, Because
we had a guy named David Boston at the time,
which was I mean, probably the freaker's athlete I've ever.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Yeah, I don't know if you know David.

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
He allowed for Arizona.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
He played for Arizona.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
You got drive, but we had him and he went
to Ohio State the whole Charles Woodson, David Boston, Roval Ohio. Yeah. Yeah,
he was like when you finished, google him and pull
him up and see what I'm saying. The freakist athlete
you ever gonna see. He was two fifty playing receiver
and I remember I'm saying, you got to lose weight,
but he, like I got like four percent body fat,

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four three guy two fifty playing receiver. You think DK
Metcalf or somebody like that. Looks wait, you see David Boston.
We had David Boston. He just you know, it was
just a battle what he wanted and what the team
wanted with the offense coordinatd wanting. So I was the alternate,
a young kid who I'm happy to be on the team.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Y'all want me to do what?

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Yeah? Sixteen yard in Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Whatever,
And they just got to a point where they were
just feeding me the ball man And it all started
with Doug Flutie certain defenses by just throwing me the
ball did.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
A lot because scout team maybe and.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Could it could have been that identifying, like you said,
I didn't even think of it then, but but now, yeah,
but now you said that, it makes sense because you know,
he just felt like he was familiar with the guy.
He was just all of a sudden, and then it
was things that he can see from the sideline too,
so I think he would always see me open and
Drew was probably looking for David Boston and the other

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guy's not throwing me at the ball and He's like
this guy, this shout right yeah football, that was ball man.
He was like this shadow route is wide open, and
he makes life so easy. He being there saying to play,
but he's drawn to play as he's saying it, like
Scott right, you know out in seventy eight, So he's
drawing it. So he's making it so easy. And now

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we just felt like I felt like we were just
playing basketball, playing football in the backyard. It didn't feel
like my brain was working a thousand miles an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
That Fleets, that's the key the quarterback making you feel.
He's great at making you feel. Wasee was great Hall
of Famer too. You know what I'm saying. I look
at my the lineup I had, man, I had Flutie,
Drew Breese, Philip Rivers.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
I mean that's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
That is I mean, so many guys probably would have
excelled even more if they had either one of those guys. Yeah,
you know, so I never do I take that for
granted because I listened to what guys would say to
me and other teams. I'm like, yeah, you got a quarterback,
you got the same quarterback, And I'm like, yeah, and
I got a really good one. Every single time they
would always ask me who was the best quarterback you

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ever had?

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Who was the best between Drew and Philip?

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
What's the difference between Drew and I always get that comparison,
But the reality is that I feel that the only
difference to me was me being able to look back
on a rock. I can see Philip. I couldn't see Drew.
I couldn't see Doug. I couldn't see there was like
coming out of a cannon. You know those cannons that
we do. Yeah, they six eight six now all across

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the board, and you see that ball come out. But
it's coming, Drew is coming. So once you see it,
you know, I mean, everything has to change. Your eyes
got to get right on that tipstawhere, Philip, I can
see the whole everything is winding.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
Is this is that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
You know? I can see it, you know what I'm saying.
So my engagement with the ball was easier with Philip
because I can see the release and see it come
out of his hand. Never can see it coming out
of Jew's hand. It's just coming out right right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
I wouldn't get that as much. I remember, just sometimes
you get that going across that middle full speed at
like that to eleven yard range and like all the
quarterback steps so you don't see quarterbacks.

Speaker 5 (01:25:42):
Ball coming, the ball coming, Yeah, that's mine. That's how
you feel when you're coming in there, because you don't
know if you're gonna throw it, so you see it
like that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
That's the player I gotta make.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
That's trust right there.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
That's trust. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
What was the lead up of this game?

Speaker 4 (01:25:59):
You just let me just rip through this. So the
real big thing on this is the beginning of the season.
It's the Charger second game, it's the Dolphins first game
because they had a game because Hurricane Ima. This is
the first game the Chargers playing in Los Angeles at
the step up center pretty much. And then Antonio Gates
enters the game at one hundred and eleven total touch
receiving touchdowns for a tight end just behind twenty Gonzales.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
The game.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
Not a whole lot to talk about this game, Cody
sold out. Let's go right into eight minutes and eighteen
seconds left in the third quarter. You score a touchdown
one twelve to pass twenty Gonzalez all time.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
What was that feeling like? Weight off the shoulder, Yeah,
said you were earlier, you were saying like, man, I
was stuck.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Yeah, because you know you, I think the reality of
it is just you just keep hearing about it throughout
the whole week, the week before that, you know what
I'm saying. Even so you just heard I've been hearing
about it all.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
You remember, San Diego entered the off season, so all
off season, all train is he gonna break the records?

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
The record?

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Is he gonna break the record? Is he gonna break
the record? And I knew I wasn't gonna do it
on the road because I looked at the red zone
package and for the first time in my whole career,
I wouldn't implement it in the red zone package. I'm
thinking like, okay, this is what. Yeah, we're gonna go.
We're gonna do this. Well, we're gonna get him in
this situation because you know, and I'm like, okay, I
get this.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
A business move. I'm going to l A. I'm gonna
do it when I get there. So I knew. I
knew I wasn't gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
They didn't even put me in a position to do it,
so that I never even got a call like a
play called on the first week on the road. But
when I did it, you know, you never really know
when it's gonna happen. You just in the moment. You know,
I'm looking at the side of I'm reading my side
of the field. I don't got time to trying to
read the whole scan the whole field. It was like

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a sticky pump, you know, and I'm looking at.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
The back yards. Go and go right, come around right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
I knew it was. I felt like it was zone,
you know, And I gotta, man, mind you, I gotta
I gotta guess this when after my first.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Two steps, is this, uh, who's this on? Is this
a linebacker?

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Yeah, this is on line back?

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
But it felt like it felt like cover four if
I can look at it. It felt like he was
going to try to push. Yeah, but it was like
two safeties. So it's hard to determine because we're in
the red zone, right, It's hard.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
It's hard.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
It's hard to determine. But me, I don't even That
was the beauty of not playing either. I don't overthink nothing.
I just go play. You know what I'm saying, Because
when you got this football high IQ, you come down.
You can overthink it's still football, it's green grass, or
it ain't just play, you know what I'm saying. That
was my philosophy. Once I ran up on him, I
realized he was He stayed inside, he didn't push right,

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So I'm thinking, like, well, the corner didn't look like
he was squatting. So that's why I kind of trying
to figure out what was cover six? It was four,
it was two, you know what, Let me just get
back around here. I felt like it's some type of
zone right which I felt like it was covered four
because he drove it safety drove it so hard, you
know what I'm saying. So I ended up just trying
to loop around and get around the linebacker with the

(01:29:12):
idea of if it's four, let me give him a
little something because he's going to have to go. He's
trying to get underneath me. Yeah, it's going to have
to go if it's four, yeah, and if it's two.
So basically my idea is that if it's two, I
can still just come on and come around him flatter.
I gotta come flatter. If it's four, I gotta still
come flat. Now I'm the safeties guy. Once I get
a straight release. Now I gotta beat him, right, So

(01:29:34):
the backer is not really the concern. It was more
so the safety. I've always used that formula anyway. I
ain't got time to worry about the first dude. Whereas
his help, right, So I'm going to go yeah. So
I just kind of gave him listening. I felt like
he wasn't really moving. I said, there's no point of me,
why and what? He ain't coming right? So I just
came yeah, two three for two for two, that's what

(01:29:59):
it might have been. So and I've seen enough of
those coverages to know, yeah, I got a lot with
like Danny when Danny was on our team, So I
got the like I was the darren spros.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
We get him in a slot formation as.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
A backer, linebacker, safety, whatever, so we know it's three take.
I go over here. The backer got me, I go
vertical to the safety got me. I always try to
figure out what the help was at. I never thought
about the actual guy who's carvered me. In my mind
and to me, I was gonna beat him where it's
his help that determines his leverage, that's going to determine
how he's shade and how he's moving and I felt

(01:30:33):
like he didn't really move with no point of me
getting wide and.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
You had to get open on him for you to
get the ball. Yeah, because you know that's what the
quarterback is seeing. Yeah, pretty crazy. You got to tie
the record, Yeah, Tony Gonzalez former basketball player with some
of your basketball techniques on the route, because that's like
some fucking beat the record here record. But like that route, right,

(01:30:59):
that that route concept, that's like that you created. Space
came off topped the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Yeah, found a soft spot, soft spot.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
It was just kind of like you know it's and
that's the beauty of the space. I made a necessary adjustment.
And it didn't even like Philip knew I was going.
He just was like, Okay, this is the space. I
feel like his mind was made up. I feel like
his mom was made up. He was coming to me.
It didn't really matter it was, it didn't. I just
felt like his mom was made up. Based on the
precetnet read that he had. He's like, Okay, the guy

(01:31:28):
gonna find the right space, and that's the trust that
we talk about, and he made he threw it up
so it wouldn't really no clean because the ball was
in the air. I had to go up and get it,
and it was gonna be that bang bang, I'm gonna
take the hit. But you know this this from one twelve.
You better come down with it, Joe. Was you about
to own it?

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
You know what I'm saying? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
Did you talk to Tony?

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
I think he left a message on the jumbo trot
uh and he congratulated me, which was cool, man, which
was cool.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
How did you celebrate it?

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
I didn't, Man, I didn't. You know, we I got
a lot of congratulations throughout the year.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
Or but that was the beauty grind.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
You're in the middle of that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
You understand me.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
You really don't consume anything and tists over. It was done,
tiss over.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Appreciate.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
You don't get to You don't be every time you
do something. You don't just say hey, right, you're like, okay,
that was great. It's on to the next. Because that's
the type of lead we're in, right. It's like I
was like, oh man, a couple of hours, may you
go get some dinner. The next day you got to
go back and it's got The process has already started, right,
the cold tubs, this, the massage, the car practice, boom

(01:32:35):
practice again, third down, coming up again, reizone, coming right
up again in four days. So it's like you never
truly you know, stay be complacent in that space. You
just keep grinding, and you look up and you get
to one twelve and you're like, damn, I got to
one twelve. You look up and you get the opportunity
to go in the Hall of Fame. But you never
really consume the actual moment that time. You just living

(01:32:58):
and you making. I was trying to be the best
into on your gates the next week. Although I broke through,
I was I wouldn't like I'm done.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
I was over.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
I was like, no, I'm trying to get on. I'm
still here. This is what got me here. I'm not
changing this formula. This is the formula that got me here,
and that's gonna be the formula that's gonna get me
wherever else I'm gonna go. Right, that's the formula they
constantly moved to got me to the Hall of Fame.
Now I'm gonna keep moving. It's an ongoing process. It's life.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
It's like, okay, nah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
What's what's that? The next what's now? Antonio? You winning
the Hall of Fame. I'm a Hall of Fame dad,
What you mean Now I'm not regularly dad, Right, So
now I gotta do this. I gotta do that because
now it's like it's just it keeps going. It don't
cap out. You know what I'm saying. You just keep different,
you put different caps and keep going. Right the formula
it is the same. Then keep grind the tone fula, yeah,

(01:33:48):
the grind, the grind.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
Let me put all of fame formula. Let's hear these.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
Let me put a bow on this game. The Dolphins
end up winning nineteen seventeen. Who mister forty for ta
and they could have won the game.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
But let's go in the.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
After pro No, Yeah, I know we had them too.
Look Coup, he's good people, He's funny.

Speaker 4 (01:34:07):
Antonio would end up retiring in twenty eighteen, just nominated
to the Hall of Fame Class of twenty twenty five.
His career receptions nine fifty five eleven, eight hundred and
forty one yards and one hundred and sixteen touchdowns, which,
as we mentioned, uh finishes the all time leader in
touchdowns receptions by a ten and passing twenty Gonzales.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
It's going to stay there too. Yeah, he kna say
Travis was you know, but he I thought, well, I
actually thought grunk was. We have an opportunity to get it.
It's so hard to.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
Stay healthy those big boys. That's why that he didn't
have any what he didn't play college football, didn't have
to wear a tear.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
Baby, that is that's true. Hey, that is one hundred
percent truth.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
And basketball dudes are always they're like fluid. Yeah, like
he ain't jumping on hard in.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
The big hits. I don't want to discredit that. There's
a lot of hits I didn't take. Yeah, I mean, like,
why You'm like coaches this second down? Man, you know
what I'm saying, Yeah, don't get bad. I mean, that's
there people right there. Coach, I need I picked my battles.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
That's twelve hundred pounds, coach. Yeah, that's twelve hundred pounds.

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
Coach.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
Come on, coach, let's name the game and then score
the game. Is this the greatest game of all time?
Let's score it? What do we name this game? The
Electric Gates Game, the Gate of History game, breaking through
the Gates and Toonio catches Tony game tone catches, Tony game,
the one to twelve game, the record beaker, beager, beater breaker,

(01:35:33):
or something else that you have any of those or
something else. What do you think we should name this game?

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
Tone open the gates and Let the river flow.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
That was a saying.

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
Open the gates and let the river flow game.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
That's what I'm calling it, right, No, that was something
that was saying in charge of history, like we were saying.
That's what I got is we open the gates, let
the breeze flow, open the gate, let river flow.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
I've already knew that. I don't want to take that.
That's like San Diego. They probably be mad.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
I'll try to take that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
I like a lot of good ones, like good ones, man,
So you got to pick it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Yeah, breaking through the gates, breaking through the because it
got so much significance with the name other than just
the game of football. Well, he broke through the gates
of the position, the gates of life, life and then
reality the touchdown record, right, So that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
That's why I do like that one.

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
It's it's a touch hit.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
You're right, it's a very touchy one.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
We'll be right back after this quick break, Let's score
the game. Is this the greatest game of all time?
Let's score it? Steaks zero to ten of the Week two,
twenty seventeen Dolphins versus Chargers game stakes this game one
through ten decimals.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
Okay, it was such a iconic moment. Man, probably team
I would have to say team ten. Yeah, I mean
it's the history. This is down there watching sports forever. Man,
I've been watching football game some of the stuff that
it was getting done. I just couldn't believe I was
recipient of it, to be honest with you, man, I'm like,
I passed this dude, I remember him. I remember I
remember Charlie Johan, I remember killing. So that's why I'm like, damn,

(01:37:15):
I'm up there with damn. What is this?

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Right, you know what I'm saying, Like I would say
that to myself, like, dang, this is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
That's right, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
I remember playing video games with and they were like,
you run Rocks, just like you run you know who
here he ler is. I'm like, yeah, play for the rams,
like to play video games with them. So you know
what I mean, It's just.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
Man, steaks ten. I'm gonna score it this regular season
game a lot of significance. I'm gonna give it an
eight point eight. The whole time I was thinking, because
Tonio obviously gives Hall of Fame answer, I was thinking
the whole time, what you're gonna think when you see

(01:37:56):
their score?

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
Jack has a two point one. I had a three
point five A regular season game through the fan perspective,
but you it's your perspective. There's some legacy stuff here,
regular first game in Chargers.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
And then perspectives.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
Bro expected Star.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
I couldn't. I shouldn't have said team for the simple
fact we didn't win the game, because that's important to me.

Speaker 4 (01:38:19):
You can say that for gameplay.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
The stakes of this game is different. Star power of
this game a lot of a lot of a lot
of good players, Hall of Famers stars. Jake Cutler, Jay Cutler.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
Yeah, the stadium was pretty small.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
It's not I'm in Sofi now, So you know that
star power was you know, you can take the star
off and just put power, you know what I'm saying.
So you know, yeah, this Star was a soccer stadium
and we were like sliding around to it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
Was like a high school state championship game.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
I mean it was like, so I would say, because
this my team is the only team I play with,
so I gotta give it somewhat of a good score.
But did the star power and that we wasn't you know?
I would say, five.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
Man five, that's an integrity score. That's an integrity score.
Start power for me. I'm gonna go six eight, yeah,
six eight you still you have you're.

Speaker 4 (01:39:17):
In there kind of five eight at six to one, yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
Gameplay of the game, how it went back and forth.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Nineteen seventeen score and then we lost, so that that
definitely takes some points off of me. We lost. It
was a tonic moment for myself. But the gameplay itself,
we didn't our game plan. We was at home and
we lost. That's terrible. I like the fact that y'all
put the point eight point two, like y'all got this.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
I'm like, I'm like, dude, we y'all keep saying these
point six is the point five. I said, let me
get on page now, because this is I'm gonna see
what I'm a competitor and you know this next I said,
wait a minute, this is so I'm gonna say five three,
Such a great what I'm saying score, Yeah, you can

(01:40:07):
score me.

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
I'm gonna go five point four.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
Yeah right, see what I'm saying. Quick Eye just.

Speaker 4 (01:40:14):
With me and Jack had a six point five on
this one.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
Make you for pointing something, I said, they know something
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
We got to score. We got to score.

Speaker 4 (01:40:21):
The name of the game, breaking through the Gates, but
also cultural legacy. An all time NFL record was broken
in this game. That's a nice little boost, very big boost.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
I think the name, like I said, breaking through the gates,
it's just I think breaking through is the most significant part.
So I'm saying the position the basketball player transition from
to a football player. They're taking a chance on a
free agent. All those things were to me, all me

(01:40:55):
coming to light at that moment. Guys who free agents,
who can relate. I know what it's like to try
to make a team, be on special teams. I know
what it's like to not know if you're gonna get cut.
I know what it's like to do all those things
that guys come through that free agency. So I'm you know,
I would like the thought of breaking through. I believe
it's created a whole lane for basketball players because they like,

(01:41:19):
wait a minute. He scored more touchdowns than anybody at
the position. So now only because you know really doesn't
like those guys had good careers, but this was like, okay,
so now we know what we can look for in
from an aesthetic standpoint and say this can possibly work.
So that's why I like the fact that breaking through
because I think the game has been changed. Now every

(01:41:39):
time I look up, a tight end can beat you.
Every time I setching fifty passes was getting you to
the Pro Bowl back then, such and fifty passes to
be you It's nothing's going to happen now.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
Yeah, you're lucky to get you'd be lucky to get
resigned next year.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
You know what I'm saying. So that's what I'm saying.
It's like goal line.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
Yeah, your goal line was to score though you got
to score the name, Yes, so the name.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
I liked it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
It was a great lot.

Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
That's the most thoughtful answer.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
I think a nine point nine because you can't go
past team right. I'm just giving you the decimal to
make this right.

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
I'm going nine flat. Going back to your game jacket
of five.

Speaker 4 (01:42:14):
Oh and I had a six point one.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
Where does this game put us in all the games
we've done. It's a six point three six, six point
three six that puts US.

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
Tied for seventy two with the snover Time game twenty seventeen,
same season Week seventeen Colts versus Bills we did with
Sean McCoy and just ahead of the Manning seven game,
Week one of the twenty thirteen season, Broncos versus Ravens
started that Peyton Manning record season.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
As you can see, this is a little Patriot bias
through our fans.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
Yeah, no question, But I don't know your toucher is. Yeah.
Now you got the Coltingland Indians in there with five
number five. You still you still represent Ohio?

Speaker 1 (01:42:57):
Where are you from?

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Where are you from?

Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
I'm from the Bay. I'm a northw cat.

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
So you from the Bay and you hot?

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
And so how did you get?

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
I went to Juco, I was cat. I played college
Takoyas in our championship game. Oh and then I transferred
to Kent. I played quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
Okay, but you they gave you the reality to be
you basically yes and so many words. You're like, I'm
gonna go be here.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
I was starting. I balled out at Juco. I was
like unanimous MVP of California bullshit, and all these schools
wanted me to come. I was getting letters from everywhere.
So this is the first time I was feeling love.
I was like, hell yeah, but they all wanted me
to stay another year a juco or a change position
to receiver, and Kent came knock and they're like, we'll

(01:43:43):
let you come compete right now. I was like, fuck it,
I'm out at the quarterback at quarterback, yeah, because that
was my goal. I wanted to play Division one quarterback.
That was like when I was a kid, It's all
about going D one Like that was like the thing
in my crew. We'd all say, man, that ship so
D one yeah, D one football player.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
So you So, so you've seen the game very similar
to your story. I've seen it the grind, like the
transfering position. I never played receiver in my life.

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
Like and then so what Kent State because of Josh?
I went to because of Josh? I assuming because he
was playing like there, that's why I didn't play. Josh
was running around with the ball like crazy, but he
phenomenal football. But I was like, this ain't gonna work
for me. I got you gotta throw it. You know
what I'm saying. There was no point of me losing, No,

(01:44:33):
I get it. Yeah, I didn't want to be a
part of something when I was something over here, like
I was the team and I mean in college basketball,
so to go be a part of it. And I
went and watched him play. Coach P's was there and
he was They laid the red Carver out and I
was just like, dude, Josh was running around and I
knew he was a good football player, but I'm like, dude,
this was just running with the ball. He hiked it.
He running, He's like almost like he's throwing it to himself.

(01:44:55):
It's like, you know, because he had to. He had
to because he was that good. But I'm saying, I
just remember saying to myself, if.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
You were out there.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
Probably about fifty times a game.

Speaker 6 (01:45:06):
Yeah, probably now that I think about it. But at
the time, running quarterback. So I was running quarterback. I
love my tight end. But it wasn't a big ass body.
Oh no, But that's what I'm saying. It wasn't really
that relevant back then.

Speaker 3 (01:45:17):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
In two thousand and one, a running quarterback wasn't really
the thing. It was the pocket pass us. Right, Yeah,
there's the statues that set back there. Okay, they're coming
off this side, we rock it into this side. So
that's what we got to scan this and get this
and we're gonna get this ball out quick.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
So that's what they did. So after Josh, they went
and got this six foot seven pocket quarterback for one
year and then I came back. Like they didn't do
very well, yeah, and then I and then that's when
I came the next year. Yeah, the cribis was like
two years in the league. Yeah, and then you start
and we went six and six and like had like

(01:45:54):
the best season in school history at six and six.
I'm coming from Juco thinking like, damn, this is kind
of whack. Yeah, because I was playing at like a
high level. Well, the California Juco system like our fucking fire.
You played in it. A lot of the dudes are
just dudes. They didn't have grades or.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
Some of my JUCA.

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
Some of them dudes are better guys than get better players.
It's so simple.

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
I Ken, we went six and six and they were like, yeah,
I was like, what the fuck is it? But you know,
I love Kent. That was part of my story and
you're a huge just inspiration and it is so crazy
to have you here. The very first time we met,

(01:46:38):
you were always you were just cool. Getting to talk
to you and have a conversation right now and doing
research on Man, you're fucking hall of famer, just in
your answers, in your approach, in everything. Man, it's such
an inspiration to get to have your fellow flash. Yeah, man,
thanks for coming on you. You plug anything?

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
No, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
You know what we're plugging. We're plugging. Hall of Fame
twenty twenty five. Antonio fucking Gates.

Speaker 4 (01:47:07):
Thanks man, Antonio Gates in the nuthouse.

Speaker 3 (01:47:15):
He loves basketball.

Speaker 4 (01:47:17):
Yeah, I wonder if you would No, man, I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna be hot.

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
Take Kyler.

Speaker 4 (01:47:21):
What I was gonna say. I wonder if you would
trade a Hall of Fame in the NFL to just
be an NBA player.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
No, he ain't doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:47:29):
That's why I stopped. That's why I was gonna say.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
He's not doing that. Man, He's he's it. He's a
Hall of Famer. His questions, Hall of Fame answers.

Speaker 4 (01:47:39):
Yes, dude, crazy to play with those quarterbacks who first touchdown,
Doug Flutie and then Drew Brees and then Philip Rivers.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
Yeah, wild a freaking I've never met him, but I
feel like I love him.

Speaker 1 (01:47:51):
Yeah, he was great.

Speaker 4 (01:47:52):
I loved all the Craft talk, when you guys are
really getting in the weeds on that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
I love that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
He's extraordinary, like as an athlete watching his film. And
then I mean when you deep dive when we you know,
you watch Antonio in Antonio Prime, it was gnarly. He
was a monster. And then you know, the Hernandez talk
was crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:48:16):
Yeah, I loved how he I love when you actually
taught Kraft talk with the tight ends, Like it's different
from the media's perception or fance perspective of like, oh
it's the here's the top tight end, but there's so
much nuanced. He's like, Oh, I don't even look at
those guys because I play a different game. I'm looking
after this guy because our games are more similar and
I can learn. That was really interesting to hear.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
Yeah, man, we gotta get him, got it. We gotta
get him back on to do some other game or something. Yeah,
he lives out here.

Speaker 4 (01:48:41):
Well, like we gave him a couple of game options.
It was kind of hard selecting a game because we
wanted to do that Elite eight game, which would have
been sick.

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
I mean he knew all those guys. Yeah, fucking he's
a good teammate. You could just tell because he was
a superstar. He was you know, people don't realize when
you're a superstar. In the locker room, everyone's looking at you,
and you know, depending what kind of guy you are,
you could tell he was just a chill ass dude
that like got his ship in. Yeah, and like he
pumped he gaslight guys.

Speaker 4 (01:49:09):
Yeah, I mean those Chargers need that from your leader
with Danian Thomlinson. That gaslight tire, gas up gassing tire,
pump tire pump, pump, tire pumper, remember from Paul Biz
the bit like he said, guys, that give you that

(01:49:30):
of boys. But in his own cool way, you could
just tell because he hasn't he had he has an aura. Yes,
yes he does. He it's at that Hall of fame.
Or he doesn't need to prove anything, he's already done it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:49:44):
Yeah, those Chargers teams were fun and he like really
spanned like three hours of football too. Like he got
into the League. What two thousand and three, two thousand
and four, and then was all the way to like
twenty seventeen. He was playing with guys that are still
in the Chargers.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
Now, Jerry Bosa. Yeah, man, that was fun. Should we
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Hell of fun content.

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
Okay, so first first comment, YouTube comment from mirth.

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
And we'll have we'll have Kyler read them because my
redding ability is not that good.

Speaker 4 (01:50:51):
Your reading abilities on purpose? Yeah, read it definitely. YouTube
comment from mirth World.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
That's a.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
How you felt it?

Speaker 4 (01:51:01):
That's a copy and paste.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:51:04):
If Jeweles didn't play for Belichick. Which coach would you
have wanted to play for?

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
Oh, it's a good question, that's a really good question.
I would have loved to play for McVeigh. Okay, he
would have dialed up for now.

Speaker 4 (01:51:21):
You guys are kind of peers. Do you think that
would be a different element.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
No, like me and my prime, Yeah, no, I would
like to play for him. Andy Reid would have been
great too.

Speaker 4 (01:51:38):
That could be fun.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
I mean, just the little interaction I had with Andy
Reid at practice before the Super Bowl, I could just
tell he's you feel It's like dogs and pheromones. Football
guys know, football guys dogs fairomones. I I could feel it.
He grabbed me and he had a little I saw
the look in his eye, like competitor look, but like

(01:52:02):
fucking like you look. Yeah, and I had the same look.

Speaker 4 (01:52:05):
You can smell a thousand yards receive, So yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:52:07):
Would say it's crazy offensive. I would have liked. I
liked the I liked the harrorballs.

Speaker 4 (01:52:13):
Both both yeah, for their own ways.

Speaker 3 (01:52:15):
I really do. I like Jim and John John. I
mean those teams are always tough. They were always tough.
Teams like those Baltimore teams. Then Jim is like he's
an offensive guy, but he has It's very rare to
have an offensive head coach that has toughness just you know,
it's a part of a mutation.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:52:37):
What I love about Jim Harbaugh is he really is
that balance between kind of like the old school football
but also the new age, like more of a players coach.
He has that He's struck a nice balance there.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
Yeah, maybe what about some old school guys Bill Walsh,
Bill Walsh, I used to work out with him really
when I was a kid. I hurt my uh I heard,
hurt my shoulder or something, and I was rehabbing at
the Reikus Center in Rowood City and a lot of

(01:53:06):
Stanford people went to the Riikus Center. It was like
this human enhancement spot. It was like one of the
first like speed training, quickness training, acceleration training. But then
they also had different divisions and different departments kids. You know,
it was for all kids. But they had an athletic
department that you enhanced your speed and all your athleticism.
Then they had like these music departments, and they had

(01:53:27):
the acting departments. But they also had physical therapy department,
and that's where Bill Walsh used to He was rehabbing
something and I was rehabbing something, and like we very rare,
like there was a couple of times where we would talk,
and I wish I remembered more. Yeah, of what because

(01:53:48):
I remember we had conversations and it was probably like
he probably died like five six years later.

Speaker 4 (01:53:54):
Yeah, you must have been pretty young too.

Speaker 3 (01:53:55):
I was like seventeen wo oh okay, sixteen.

Speaker 4 (01:53:59):
Wow, just like Aura around. Bill Walsh.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
Just smart, smart, like kind of Northern California is smart.
He reminded me of just like a you could tell
there's a little goofy tree huggy ish to it. There's
probably a little eccentric stuff going, but genius how he
delivered it like Steve Jobs kind of you know, like

(01:54:25):
like a Steve Jobs kind of like is a confidence
like tough but innovative and like collaborative but still fucking
tough in.

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
His way, and like a quiet confidence to it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
Quiet confidence.

Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
That's what about.

Speaker 4 (01:54:37):
That's great. I never knew that's so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:54:39):
Yeah, I wish I you know, I think about that
a lot. I wish I would have because I remember
we had some kind of talks and he you know,
he ended up passing. I don't know, it could have
been six or ten years later.

Speaker 1 (01:54:49):
I don't you know what.

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
Yeah, but like I always think, man, I got to talk.
There was a few times, like there was like a
couple of weeks where we'd be rehabbing at this same time,
and I'm rehabbing with Bill Walsh, you know, and I
wasn't you know, I just wish I was. I wish
I knew, I wish I had my brain.

Speaker 4 (01:55:09):
Yeah, but you're seventeen, Like you can't like seventeen year olds.

Speaker 3 (01:55:11):
We did talk some like football stuff though, the West
Coast and stuff. I think he told me, you know,
should be the Midwest offense because he was in Cincinnati
when he developed it.

Speaker 4 (01:55:23):
Do you think you're kind of like random being from
Redwood City and that's where the forty nine ers were
kind of like you know, set up in their practicacility.
Do you think there's like kind of like random bumping
into like the interactions with Jerry Rice at a young
age and the Bill Walsh is do you think that
played into your, like anything about your trajectory into the NFL,
Like just like seeing being around people that have done it,
or it was around greatness.

Speaker 3 (01:55:44):
Yeah, I mean I was around a great organization. I
grew up rooting for an unbelievable organization with a lot
of success.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
San Francisco forty nine ers at the time were you know,
they were in the prime of what they were. I mean,
there's still a there's still a top pier organization now,
but they were winning these Super Bowls in the eighties
and early nineties and I was kind of on the
tail end of that eighties nineties, but like, yeah, the
Niners had an or around it. I'm sure it's probably
like the kids that grew up around Patriots kids and stuff,

(01:56:15):
you know what I mean, they were the Patriots at
that time, which could be said now that they were
the Kansas City Chiefs of that time. Yeah, you know
that there's always that generation and they were that. So
it's crazy how everything happens for a reason, and you know,
it's it's life's baffling.

Speaker 4 (01:56:35):
Yeah, it's crazy sometimes where things kind of mirror or
like reflect or kind of working in parallels. Interesting, Yeah,
but no, what about some of these like like the
people in like the Belichick pathway, like the Bill Parcells.

Speaker 3 (01:56:47):
Parcels or like a Vincelamb. You know, I'm kind of
tapped down of that. Yeah, I love I would have
loved to play for coach Parsa. I'm sure I would have.
And when you're in it, when you're in it. Yeah,
Like now I'm sure like taking back, I probably want
to go somewhere like a Dick for meal.

Speaker 1 (01:57:07):
No, not Dick.

Speaker 3 (01:57:08):
I love dig for meal. But I'd want to play
with you know, I if it was a coach from
that generation, it'd be Bill Walsh or maybe Parcells. But
I feel like I got a taste of Parcels through
Belichick in a different form of fashion.

Speaker 2 (01:57:22):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
Now, I know they say, you know Parcells was a
you know, a team guy. Yeah, but like I've tasted that,
I would want to taste different coaching, different coaching trees.

Speaker 4 (01:57:34):
I think that good answer.

Speaker 3 (01:57:35):
Yeah, great question, Mark, that's a good question.

Speaker 4 (01:57:37):
Yeah, okay. Another YouTube comment from g I Joe three
seventeen at Games with Names. If jewels could play in
any game throughout history, who would you want to relive
the moment through? So pick a game, a game that
you'd want to play in part of that already happened.
And then you get to be a player in that game.

(01:57:58):
So for bad example, Tom Brady in the fucking Super
Bowl fifty one. Right, So any game from history.

Speaker 3 (01:58:04):
Who would you want to be I've already had my moment.

Speaker 4 (01:58:07):
You would just be you?

Speaker 3 (01:58:08):
That would be me?

Speaker 4 (01:58:09):
Which super Bowl? Well, which game?

Speaker 3 (01:58:12):
Either fourteen or nine eighteen? You got sixteen?

Speaker 2 (01:58:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:58:16):
I don't feels exhausting.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
Sixteen was crazy, but I didn't really bowl, so your.

Speaker 4 (01:58:22):
Answer wouldn't be you'd want to be yourself in Super
Bowl forty nine. It's a cool answer. A lot of
people could say that, like I'd say I'd want to
be Michael Ruzioni in a miracle in ice.

Speaker 3 (01:58:35):
Or nah, yeah, I want to be me those guys
that had their other way. I mean, oh, I'm satisfied.

Speaker 1 (01:58:43):
Satisfied.

Speaker 4 (01:58:43):
Good good answer, great question.

Speaker 3 (01:58:45):
Another good question.

Speaker 4 (01:58:45):
But you weren't expecting that answer. But it's a good answer. Okay,
let's maybe I got one.

Speaker 3 (01:58:52):
Okay, who's the guy that had the Grand Slam that
ended a world? To see walk off or something? Wasn't
there one of.

Speaker 4 (01:59:02):
Those Gibson I don't great baseball home run Reggie Jackson
hitting three in one game.

Speaker 3 (01:59:09):
Like something like the home run. It's not even that,
it's just the crack of the bat, like you just
killed the game yourself. There's there was a Yankee that
I think there was Aaron Boone hit a Grand Slam
to like end the Red Sox in twenty thirteen and
then they ended up winning the World Series that year.

(01:59:30):
Something there. Yeah, something like that. There's been that moment
those I think that like a walk off home run
in a World Series winning game anyone, that's probably something
kind of cool. That's what I remember as a kid.
There's like three things I used to like imaginate to
myself with my imagination.

Speaker 4 (01:59:51):
As you know, I want to take mine back because
now that you've gone down that path to have that
like one moment. Bobby orr in the Flying Goal scores
a goal in overtime to win the Stanley Cup.

Speaker 1 (02:00:03):
Sick.

Speaker 4 (02:00:03):
Then that pictures I haven't I know? Sweet the statue,
the statue incredible. That's a good one. Another good one.
Patrick Kane did something similar to His goal wasn't so flashy,
but he beat the Bruins.

Speaker 3 (02:00:13):
Yeah know what I mean, Dinger, Bro, you're sitting there,
crack of the back bat, flip fucking hat throw good
point fucking everything. Boys are meeting yet the plate? Oh
miss first, gotta go back. Sorry, you ain't getting me, buddy.

Speaker 4 (02:00:35):
Oh my gosh, shaving cream at the end.

Speaker 3 (02:00:38):
No, it's old school. Okay, I'm gonna fucking toss a
beer at home plate. Cors light, cors light shower at
home plate. There's no rules against having alcohol in the
locker room. Base. There's a fucking horseshoe of of dip

(02:01:02):
at bat. That's like, that is the one. That is
the one thing I would fucking I would.

Speaker 2 (02:01:09):
Love great love that.

Speaker 3 (02:01:11):
Could you not imagine that?

Speaker 2 (02:01:12):
No?

Speaker 4 (02:01:12):
That be incredible.

Speaker 3 (02:01:14):
Bases loaded, two houts.

Speaker 4 (02:01:15):
And it's in It's in the Colorado Rockies Stadium.

Speaker 3 (02:01:21):
I don't want that there, but then I wanted to.
I want to. I want it in the thick air
like air. So lets everyone know I had a bomb.

Speaker 4 (02:01:32):
Okay, good question. Uh We got an Apple review comment
from bodyguard Kyle. He says love this five stars, Thank you, Sure, Sir.
Julian Edelman has found his post football niche. Great concept.

Speaker 3 (02:01:44):
Now is it niche or niche? Me?

Speaker 2 (02:01:47):
I say niche?

Speaker 3 (02:01:47):
I say niche?

Speaker 4 (02:01:48):
Okay, keep going, great concept, great guest, amazing back and forth.
Jules is a great house. Huh.

Speaker 3 (02:01:55):
Thanks.

Speaker 4 (02:01:56):
If you like sports, this is worth the listen. Well,
thank you, hu who picked?

Speaker 1 (02:02:01):
We picked?

Speaker 3 (02:02:01):
We're gonna just you gotta pump our who were a
fucking gas lighting ourselves?

Speaker 4 (02:02:05):
I just want people to write Apple. We didn't even
have a lot of questions in Apple.

Speaker 2 (02:02:08):
I want people.

Speaker 3 (02:02:11):
Gas light means you're fueling the fire. Yeah, yeah, you're
fueling fire. Okay, gaslighting. Dog. Let's get another one.

Speaker 4 (02:02:23):
It's a good question. Fine, another one from g I
Joe three seventeen. He's crushing with questions. What are the
biggest no nos when it comes to shower etiquette? If
you forgot soap?

Speaker 3 (02:02:31):
Well, first off, we were at Gellette. Okay we no
one forgets soap at Gellette. There's so much soap in
that goddamn facility. I mean you could have a bubble
bath from fucking Foxborough to Providence. Uh so you're not
doing that, But you can't be National geographic bird watching

(02:02:54):
in the fucking shower if people see eyes down, If
people see eyes down, you'll be red flagged a no
fly zone. People will not will stop showering with you.

Speaker 4 (02:03:04):
So what happens then if you've been red zoned. You
have to like wait till the end.

Speaker 3 (02:03:08):
No, you just I mean, you get bullied. This is
this is this is real America in there. If you're
doing some weird stuff, you're getting bullied in there.

Speaker 1 (02:03:17):
What would you like?

Speaker 4 (02:03:17):
I'm assuming you're the bully in this situation.

Speaker 3 (02:03:21):
You gotta know your room, know your room. Certain guys
don't play around, Yeah, certain guys do not play around
with shower jokes.

Speaker 4 (02:03:29):
Yeah, probably like sec lineman.

Speaker 3 (02:03:33):
I'm not going to categorize because linemen or that they
don't give a fuck usually, Okay, I was fucking Brady Brady.
He there'd be a we'd have showers, and Brady would
go in the corner so he could have two shower heads.
From like when I saw him shower, Yeah, a lot
of times he took a shower pill. I mean, you

(02:03:54):
don't shower, You take a pill and you go you
go home. But he'd have two shower heads, so he
there'd be a line be like, Brady, what the fuck
did you just gonna take two shower heads? Dog?

Speaker 4 (02:04:04):
How long these long showers? Or is he like in
and out?

Speaker 3 (02:04:08):
I mean he's got a routine, brings his little pale in.

Speaker 2 (02:04:16):
It.

Speaker 3 (02:04:17):
He's got a backscrub, he's got a face wash, he's
got an eye lift, he's got a fucking he's got
feet lotion in that. I think he puts it. He
had everything. The guy smelled amazing. Oh he I think
he had lufah and he had like lufah with like
back lufahs. This guy, this guy, this guy looked like

(02:04:37):
Mario the Plumber going into the shower.

Speaker 2 (02:04:43):
Overall mustache.

Speaker 3 (02:04:49):
He's got a true.

Speaker 4 (02:04:51):
All right, good good good question.

Speaker 3 (02:04:54):
So he's probably gonna hit me up after this if
he sees this.

Speaker 4 (02:04:57):
So we don't have to worry about talk. Keep out
my fragrances, bro. He does smell good though, smells good
so good. That's the one thing you remember. Okay, let's
do two more. We've got an Apple review from Bobby
JS forty four Love this MF show. Gotta get huge
Niners fan Dan Soder on the show to show off

(02:05:20):
a real macho man impression. Love you boys, keep up
the good works. You know Dan Sotter, great comedian. He's
actually he's a big forty nine ers guy. He also
has childhood friends with.

Speaker 3 (02:05:29):
Where is he from?

Speaker 1 (02:05:30):
Mike?

Speaker 3 (02:05:30):
He guy, he's a Bay kid.

Speaker 4 (02:05:32):
He's in between Bay and Denver. I think he I
think his family was like splitting. His dad was in
the Bay Area and his mom was in Denver. So
he grew up with Mike McDaniel.

Speaker 3 (02:05:41):
I'm a fan of them.

Speaker 4 (02:05:42):
Yeah, they were like tight. So he's a huge fan
of sports and wrestling. He's a good pressure. His impressions
are unreal, Dan, so it would be great. We've actually
be trying to reach out to him. Dan Soder, come
on the show.

Speaker 3 (02:05:55):
You know, I don't know where Macho Man lies in
the clients, I mean of life, but for pure entertainment,
I probably dedicate three to eight minutes a day just
a Macho Man Randy Savage like content a day, every
three days, every three.

Speaker 4 (02:06:16):
Days, roughly twenty minutes of Macho Man content the week, okay.

Speaker 3 (02:06:22):
On just the stupidest shit. Macho Man in like Italy,
Macho Man in Switzerland, Macho Man and fucking Iraq. I
hate him doing the whole thing, Macho Man going like
Macho Man, fucking floats, flying down the hill, slides, Macho
Man's snowboardy naked like I watch Macho Man shit. My

(02:06:44):
algorithm is so fucked is so and I laugh every time.

Speaker 4 (02:06:50):
It's a real shame that he died before like social
media becoming bigger, because imagine the Daily.

Speaker 3 (02:06:56):
Directors is alive. But hit the content like I wanted,
Chuck Norris. I love the one where like the fire
the forest, one of the guys about to chain saw
the thing and he grabs it with his hand. It's
just Chuck Norris, like, you're not cutting down this tree. Well,
and there's some ship gotten a wormhole. Go on, Chuck Norris,

(02:07:20):
we're on the street in Hollywood. Is Bruce Lee New not.

Speaker 4 (02:07:24):
To mess with Chuck?

Speaker 2 (02:07:25):
Really?

Speaker 3 (02:07:28):
I want if anyone knows about this, hit the comment section.
I want to know that was there a hidden fight
that I may have heard make could be real? Was
there a fight or something where Chuck kind of like
punked them? Now, if I'm fully wrong, this is like
when I heard you know, this is some like Santa

(02:07:48):
Claus isn't real type of stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:07:50):
Yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (02:07:53):
Any conspiracy stuff that and aliens get in the comment
we should.

Speaker 4 (02:07:57):
I think we should start an underground Hollywood fight club.

Speaker 3 (02:08:00):
I think we should try to what fight club. There's
a lot of these actors know how to fight.

Speaker 4 (02:08:06):
Yeah, just get some of these guys gonna.

Speaker 3 (02:08:09):
I go to this boxing gym and I see a
bunch of these actors in there, and they they know
how to lay law. They're small and they're like not
but there they still fucking tat your ass up.

Speaker 4 (02:08:19):
They're resilient.

Speaker 3 (02:08:21):
Well, they just they play the role. They go and
live the life that they want to play. It's fucking
I'm impressed, all right.

Speaker 4 (02:08:28):
Last one, last one Spotify comment from Dennis Bowley. I've
got a question for Aves. I think he's referring to
top top right, referring to Sean Avery. I got a
question for Aves. Next time you see Peter Berg, tell
him we need a Friday night lights but hockey and
Taylor Kitchen.

Speaker 3 (02:08:46):
It not a bad idea, But I don't think there's
Friday night lights of hockey. So what is it like
Tuesday night?

Speaker 4 (02:08:53):
You don't, Yeah, you play games sometimes Wednesday night. We
had a Wednesday and be like.

Speaker 3 (02:08:57):
Wednesday morning hockey.

Speaker 4 (02:08:58):
Yeah, because you're there like three you practice of the morning.

Speaker 3 (02:09:01):
That's what I mean. It has to be something that
the hockey.

Speaker 4 (02:09:04):
Actually there's a five am hockey nights.

Speaker 3 (02:09:09):
There's a book.

Speaker 4 (02:09:10):
Shout out Jay Atkinson, my dad's friend. He wrote a
book that's on Friday Lights but about Massachusetts hockey high
school hockey.

Speaker 1 (02:09:17):
I'm in it.

Speaker 4 (02:09:17):
I'm in the book. Taylor Kish is incredible skater. We
already covered this by this point, but I'm into it.
He's not the coach that's come back. Oh so he's
Bombay minus the d UI. I don't think they let
guys with the US coach teams anymore.

Speaker 3 (02:09:34):
Dude, they there hasn't. There's when's has there been a
ground baking breaking Hawky miracle? Yeah, miracle is good, probably
last one. Mighty Ducks myx is great. Talk about like
sports movies with hockey slap shot shot that's in the seventies.
We we haven't had one in a good twenty years.

Speaker 2 (02:09:57):
Goon was good.

Speaker 3 (02:09:59):
I heard about that. Yeah, what's that new show that
they with La Fire? Sure, I gotta watch that because
that guy was pretty good.

Speaker 4 (02:10:05):
You would really like Shorsy. It's funny.

Speaker 3 (02:10:07):
The guy that Ryan, Terry Ryan, he was fucking good. Yeah,
he's got a great sona. I don't know if that's
his character, that's who he is, but he was playing it.

Speaker 4 (02:10:15):
A little both. Yeah, that show's great.

Speaker 2 (02:10:17):
You should watch it.

Speaker 4 (02:10:18):
It's only like it's Canadians, so there's only like six
episode seasons, so you can watch it all in like
three days. Good show.

Speaker 3 (02:10:24):
Canadian only do six episodes.

Speaker 4 (02:10:26):
Yeah, Canadian TV is a lot more like English TV
than our TV, so they only do like, hey, let's
seasons like tight, nice and tight. So the show's been
on this like four seasons, but there's only like twenty
five You.

Speaker 3 (02:10:36):
Mean they don't go to America way where we drag
it out for sixteen weeks so we can get more
money from it. Yeah, amateurs idiots.

Speaker 4 (02:10:46):
Okay, that's good. There's a lot more that we didn't
talk about. We should because these are great good segment.

Speaker 3 (02:10:51):
Yeah, yeah, that's a fun segment. Make sure you guys
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Spotify comments.

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Me and Jack are in the comments. You've been in
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