The Butt Fumble with Vince Wilfork | Patriots vs. Jets - Games with Names

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It was Matt Castle and Tom going back and forth.
I wasn't around for that. Oh my god, what happened?
They was going back and forth pranking each other. So
I think Matt Field Tom Carr for all of these
little bubbles.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
The peanuts peanuts.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
So Tom took his tires and hit him everywhere, and
so he had three tires and still was looking for one.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
It was in a bubble. So Bill finally like, look, guys,
just stop screwing around.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Welcome to Games with Names presented by Duncan. I'm Julian gentleman.
They're Jack and Kyler, and we are on a mission
to find the greatest game of all time. And on
today's episode, we are covering the week twelve, twenty twelve
Patriots versus Jets on Thanksgiving aka the butt Fumble Game
with two times Super Bowl champ, legendary nose tackle and

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grill Master Ben swelled Fork. And we're talking how much
we hated the Jets when we know Jets coming up,
We're like, if the Jets he and Randy Moss used
to talk about it practice anything other than football, And
what the best college football team of all time is?

Speaker 4 (01:07):
There's no other college football team can say they have
a brotherhood.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
We have. I don't care who you are, and we're
answering your pressing questions about the twenty twenty five NFL
season and this week's Chill Zone, brought to you by
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games with names. The production of iHeartRadio November twenty second,

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twenty twelve, MetLife Stadium, Meadowlands, New Jersey, Brendan Moores but
meets mart San Chance's face. Vince Wilfork just manhandled the Jets.
This is the We're gonna get Vincent here in a minute,

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but first we need to hit the dunkin pre game guys,
and we're fueled up on Duncan I got. You might
also notice we're in a completely different set. We're in
a Duncan. We're in the Duncan nuthouse. Yes, that's right,
Mad donuts, if you had so far, the limit does
not exist. I'm clearing two to four a day. What

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kind of what kind of donuts?

Speaker 5 (02:26):
You know?

Speaker 6 (02:27):
My jelly man, love the jellies. Jel the jellies, that's
my go to. Can't beat an old fashioned.

Speaker 7 (02:32):
We gotta explain what the hell we're doing here before you.
We're in Boston. We took over this huge house. There's
duncan stuff like crazy. It's nuthouse with creeping out on social.
Check it out on social. All the pictures. There's pool tables,
there's a pool, there's basketball.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
There's a wheel, a wheel pool table. The worst thing.
I'm most excited. Look to the wheel.

Speaker 6 (02:56):
We so we We had a little meeting with the
Airbnb folks in the the realtors before this, and I
just said, what do you want the decor them? What
are the ben affleck? That's all I said. They look
what they came up with. Yeah, they got dunk Kings everywhere.
Jackson rocking. Oh my gosh, I'm sleeping in my dunk
Kings outfit. I'm swimming in my mon kings off it
FLA kind of guy though, same, Oh I agree.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Am I the only Ben the Ben Rider around here.
I'm a I'm a Casey, I'm a Ben Boy. Come
on Team Casey and we're shooting a bunch of man
content every content. He's just twenty four to seventy.

Speaker 7 (03:28):
Jack's living his dream of actually being data and Kyler.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
He is if I my TikTok voice one more time.
I think Kyler might throw me out the window. Forty
one six seven.

Speaker 7 (03:39):
Sorry, that's the best thing about the Nutthouse, Jack, Yeah,
is I have for some reason, I have like the primary, oh,
for some reason, and it's huge. My closet has a closet,
and I've got a private sunroom invitationally only.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
So we'll see if you behave yourself. What are we
ending this week on? We're in this week with the
live show busted against twenty. We got some fun people coming, dude,
We we got a spectrum. Yeah, we've kind of dialed
in guests.

Speaker 7 (04:13):
We have some big names, patriots, not just patriots, Patriots,
not just It's gonna be fun.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
It's gonna be wid. It's gonna be a fun night out.
I'm and just remember I think we have like thirty
more tickets. Yeah, out of five thousand and thirty. Yeah,
ticketmasters dot com. Go get them before I'm just telling
you it's about to close. Go get tickets. You know
how to buy them, ticketmaster dot com, ticketmaster dot com.
It's gonna be hell.

Speaker 6 (04:40):
Linked in our bio, linking our bio, and I gotta say,
not only are we going to be there, not even
only of our sweet guests gonna be there. Not only
is the whole nuthouse nation fandom gonna be there. We
got merch baby, Oh, we got merged drop new Merger
especially designed by the boys.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
We put we we have them the last emerged now
and can a little taste of it at Morgan Water.
He did it. It's a little warm up. Yeah. I
was up there in the three hundreds going Robbig robb
leaving the Broadway girls a loon. That was great.

Speaker 7 (05:14):
There's more coming. Check our socials is gonna be a
ton of stuff happening.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
It's gonna be awesome. The live show. Besides the studio,
what's been your favorite room in the nut House? So?
I like the pool area because that little yeah slap shops,
these guys saut sauce toss.

Speaker 7 (05:27):
Gosh, I can't wait for Rob to hit the sauce toss.
Cosby out there going toe to toe. My blade is
Crosby right, no lefty sticks. So for hockey people, we
don't know how crazy that is. So I had to
go to hockey sport monkey. You gotta go to a
hockey store sticks.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Do I tell you what happened there? Jewels or in
New England. There's one on every street. Jack, I tell
you the guy that the worker there. He comes up
to me.

Speaker 6 (05:47):
I'm like checking out all this uh sort of baseball gear,
looking at a mizuoo Mitt you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
He goes, you're joining the Pat McAfee show, like Bro,
And then my same day and then he goes, oh
the other guy.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
I was like, Bro, I'm just trying to find a stick.
I was trying to get a deal. Were trying to
him for nothing? Didn't budge though, and a stick? Yeah,
all in an afternoon. Gotta start somewhere. It's gonna be
a heck a week, Evince, great episode. Welcome to the Nuthouse,
Boston editioned big V. I got to ask, we're going

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over the butt fumble game Jets versus Patriots on Thanksgiving
Week twelve of the twenty twelve season. In one sentence,
Big V, why this game butt fumble? I mean butt fumble?
I mean.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
That, you know when that happened, honestly to be to
be completely honest, like I had no idea, like the
everything that came from it, Like I didn't know it
was gonna get blowed up, Like I had no idea.
What was going to happen, like because I didn't think
much of it. You know, when you're playing a game,
it's like whatever, okay, fumble whatever, you know. But after

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the game and once you start hearing everybody and seeing
it on TV and people making the big deal, I'm like,
holy crap. So so you're telling me I'm part of
history of So there's but fumble Wikipedia, so like that's me,
you know, So that play. The crazy thing about that
play is, you know, being a defensive liignment.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I had a lot.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Of keys in playing in games, right, and it's a
lot of it. It's like feel. I can tell you something,
but for a player, it's about feel, Like when you
run routes. It's a feeling you have. Yeah, I know
he's sitting here, but I know what I have to get.
It's a feel you know how far away he is,
you know if the ball when it's gonna come where
it's gonna be. So on that play, Nick didn't come

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directly at me, Brandon didn't come directly at me. So
I'm sitting here like, okay, what is this? I got
both of them. So it's like that's why you kind
of see me like in the middle, like fortunately, because
I didn't get a clear blocking scheme from him. So
it's like Nick was thinking one thing, Brandon was thinking
one thing, and it's like, okay, they coming together to
go somewhere else. So I was like, okay, what kind

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of block is this? So that's why I didn't attack,
because I didn't know what kind of block it was.
And that's why once I kind of saw in the
midst of all of that, I'm all. We always talked
fight pressure with pressure. Either way, I could have went,
you know, opposite of it, but fight pressure with pressure
and that you know, And that's what caused the butt
FuMB because I went to press it because now at

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that point, I understand, Okay, the ball is going to
hit over here, and this is where my pressure is.
I need to squeeze this gap because I'm thinking about
my defensive end and my lineback. It's like, okay, I
got to squeeze this gap and make a little smaller
for him, because you know, I kind of got caught
and with my shoulders. So once I squeezed in the
gap and it happened, like I said, I didn't realize

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until really after the game. It was it was just
a normal another play for me, you know. So I
didn't really think much of it until it started getting
all all the attention. I'm like, holy crap. I didn't
feel bad though, well it is what it is at
that point.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
But how crazy was your phone text messages after?

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Oh my gosh, Like it was blowing up about eighty
text messages right, phone calls.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
And I'm like, this is watching and we're not thinking.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
I'm like, man, this Thanksgiving, we're trying to get in,
get back so we can relax in time with the family.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Woo woove, Like.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
I don't got time to ask something a million text messages,
you know, Like, but once it's a guy home the
next day come and all that and the replays, the replays,
I'm like, hole, le crap, this is going to be
something big, not for them, but it's just like in
generating football, you know, and it took off, like but
I can honestly tell you, like in that moment. People

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don't understand in the midst of a game and what
we have to go through and how fast we have
to process, and especially me being a defensive alignment, like
you know, I'm always doubled, I'm always fighting guys, So
I have to make decisions in milliseconds, like you know,
it's just I have to make ten, five to ten

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decisions in that millisecond, you know. So people don't understand
how how hard it is to kind of understand, Okay,
this happened, This happened, This happened, and that's it's not
even a second went by now, you know, without it.
That's the thing that people don't understand. Like fans can
watch it on TV and like I could have done this,
you know, I would have did I'm like, no, it's
not that easy, buddy, It's not that easy. You know.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Ernie Adams, we just had them on recently and my
overall sorry, my nipple just came out represent trying to
get more views. That's right, you know I had to.

Speaker 8 (10:43):
I had to wear them, yes, war, Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
I were talking about the reason, you know why Tom
was so good was just processing, you know, and and
and that's processing is everything. Everyone talks about playing fast,
but that only happens through experience and knowing your scheme, right,
big V Is this the greatest game of all time? No? No?
What is? Oh? No?

Speaker 4 (11:05):
I mean, man, if I had to take one game
for myself, you know, I love the ALC Championship game
against the Baltimore Ravens. I think it was I think
it was twenty twelve. I think where I started the
game with like a sack and a half, I mean
right off bat and it was it was a game
where Raid Rice the third down, third and inches, you know,

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I stopped him for a loss and then came right
back to fourth down pressure on Flacco.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
I think that's twenty twelve.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
I can't remember, but to me that game because the
night before I read I read the book The Assassin,
Jack Tatum his book, and that book got me so
fired up to play. What did in it just the
mentality of him, you know, and just hearing how he

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approached the game, not only him, but the Raider themselves defensively,
how they approached every game. And what really got me
in that book was, you know, he played the game.
They played the game against the San Francisco for the Niners,
right and you know, the game over whatever. So he says,
lawyer called them like four five o'clock in the morning,

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basically San fran Jared Rice and those guys they was
charged oppressing charges for assaultant battery. How much they were
getting beat and he was like, are you serious. So
but for me, I'm like, you know what, I grew

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up watching guys like this. This is how I formed
my game. I play with a chip on my shoulder
because of these guys. You know, the running lots, you
know the Jack Tatums, all these guys that brung this
type of game to the game, the physicality to the game.
That's how our prided myself around it. So that book
had me so amp up, and so I was so

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juiced just my mindset going in that game and knowing
this an EFC Championship game. I want to put the
team on my back. That's how I felt like, this
is what it's going to be. And on top of that,
they had a great defense. They said they had a
great team themselves, right, Their defense was stacked with Ed
Reed and ray Lewis Heloly Nada like. They had some

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studs over that, and I respect those. I love Helloly Like.
So I'm like, man, it's me versus them. This is
my house. So I'm going to show you what it
is coming to Julett. We're not for to play this game.
So I think that game for me kind of was
I walked away. I never walked away from a game saying, oh,

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that was the best and dish. I never really cared
about that because my mindset was always how can I
get better? Like I care less, trying to move on.
But that game I walked away saying, man, that was
a first time in my career I ever said to
myself after.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Game, that was the hell of a game I played.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
Because I never get I never give myself credit because
I'm I like to see my teammates and others to
see I was a nose tackle, right, So I'm the
bottom of the totem pole when it comes to playmaking
and this and like that's a team that's a team position.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
But it ran. But if you mentioned.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
Those tackle to anybody, they lie, you know what I mean,
because the dirty work. You know, I'm always the last
one getting off of all of my power. I'm at
the bottom, and I'm getting the least credit. Right, That's
a that's any nose tackle my game I made place
I changed to me. I changed the game from a

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true two gap nose tackle. I changed the game there
because you have a lot of guys that play a nose,
but they playing one gap. You know they're not two gaping.
And I tell people all the time, listen, can you
so two gaping is I'm I'm in charge of If
I'm head up on the SINAI I have both A gaps.
So if I go to one A gap, I'm wrong.

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If I go to other, I'm wrong. I have both
of those A gaps. So now I basically have to
mirror this guy, take the blocking scheme and understand.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, if I have.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
A double on my right, I'm still the front side
a gap is still mine and this backside a gap
is still mine. Now, if I was one technique, I'm
going to either be front side a gap or the backside,
but I'm going in charge of one of those gaps.
But in two gaping, everybody's in control of two gaps.
And a lot of people don't understand it takes a

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real man to be a two gap. I don't care
how great of a football player and how great of
a defensive lineman you are, it takes a real man
to two gap day in and day out, because we
take a beating. You have to be doable, you have
to be strong, you have to be smart. But what
I wanted to do, I wanted to change that could
because I came from a penetrating defense from high school

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and college. That's how I made you know, that's that's
that's how I became evinced well for penetrate making plays.
That's what it is. So Bill and Romeo Cornell, they
had to teach me how to two gap because I
had no clue what it was. So a lot of
people don't understand. I was never not stack until I
got to the NFL. I had to learn a position

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all over again. And this, you know I'm talking about.
I'm out of cause I'm a first round draft pick
coming from the University of Miami where I destroyed things
in college. So now all of a sudden, hell with that,
we need to learn this. It was foreign to me.
It was foreign to me. And I say, year year three,

(16:41):
that's when it started coming together for me as a
two gaper and understanding the game. And year four I
took off. But people, yeah, I had to learn how
to be a two gap.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Who is your welcome to the NFL moment where you
tried your new two gap ski your this is your
new technique? That said, hey, young buck, this is this
two gap should ain't working here? Well, that year.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Jets always played us tough, they always and they seemed
to have you know, their offensive line seemed to play
us like the best against anybody. So Jets were always tough.
The offensive line. They were always tough. And I played
against you know, the Stellers back in the days with
the bus when he had a good, good offensive line.

(17:28):
I played against Kansas City when Will Shills, WILLI roof
and those guys were there. So I played against some
good offensive lineman as a young Buck, and I'm like,
this two gap stuff.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Don't work, you know.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
But to be in this defense I knew because my
mindset coming in was like, okay, New England. Page is
coming off a super Bowl win all right in Houston
against the Panthers. They get rid of probably the best
nose tack of an all time, a true nose Ted Washington.
They get rid of him and they draft me. So
I'm like, okay, here's pressure. So they get rid of

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the one of the best nose tacker they ever played.
The game, they're coming out a super Bowl run, and
all of a sudden they draft me first round, first pick.
They draft me. When the first pick, I did it.
They throw them in the fire. It wasn't no, how
we're gonna take it. No, no, I'm getting thrown in
the fire. And it was a lot of pressure put
on me, and I wanted to put it on myself
because I always say I didn't want them to feel

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like they made a mistake.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
You understand I know exactly what I don't.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
I they took they first round picked to draft me,
so I want to make sure I don't fail this
organization and my teammates. And it was no problem with me,
but learning the new position, you know, it kind of
put things in your head like, man, I'm used to
making this type of play.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Well, I'm used to rushing the past. I'm used to
doing this. I'm used to just getting them. I'm not.
I don't know what.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Being in both of these What you mean being in
both of the yat? What do you mean take a
knee when it's double Like? What what does that mean?
All this was new and people don't understand what I've
done in the way I solidified that position, how hard
it was day in and day out learning something totally new.
I drafted you because of what I saw you you

(19:11):
do in college. But that's we're not going to tell
you to do that. We want you to do it
this way and this way. You have to learn it.
It's like a quarter It's like it's like a quarterback
learning how to play another position or receiver. I mean,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
So it's like, okay, you know, you want me to
learn this new position and you're not learning the new
position at like high school. You're learning.

Speaker 6 (19:39):
Man.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Now, when you said you have to be a real
man to be a nose tackle, do you have to
be a real man to wear overalls? You gotta be
a real man. Keep on coming. First of all, you
gotta have talk on me. You got that. You're good.
You're good.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Normally you need a little stomach, but you're okay. You
can rock it because you got to talk on me.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
So one or the other, you you nailed or stomach, Yeah, Tacomeo, stomach,
you nailed it. You're good. It's so funny, you know.
Welcome to the NFL moment? Yeah? How many welcome to
the NFL moments? Do you think you gave two rookies? Oh?

Speaker 4 (20:13):
Man, that's hard to say, because man, you know thirteen
years you know.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Rookies cause you remember when you would see a young
fresh body.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, it always, you know, but I always,
you know, I took people. I respected the game and
I respected you know players.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
You know, that's all Gronk said. Gronk said on his
first wham block against you.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
Well, hold on, now, let's talk about that for a second.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
So they sat Gronk up, they sat Grink up, and uh.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Bill was in the back was like they.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
And I'm like, okay, okay.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
So I looked over and I saw, okay, it's our
rookie Tighty, and I said, okay, here we go. So
when they ran the playing, I hit him, but I
walked back to the hood. I'm like, I like this guy.
I'm like, I like this guy. Like he took that.
He took that, and he walked and you know, Grounk
walked shaking away and all goofing, and I don't know

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what he's saying in the holder, but to me, I'm
looking at him because I wanted to see like he
did I hurt him a little bit?

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Did I did? I wake him up a little bit,
But he didn't give me anto that.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
So right then and there, I say, I love that
guy because he's gonna be good for us. You know,
because he took you like a chap. Oh how it felt.
Now he has to he'll tell you that. But what
he showed, he showed he took it like a man.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
What did he say? He we recently talked about it.
We were talking about welcome to the NFL moments. He goes, yeah,
I remember mine, then flew me up. I never been
hit that hard in my life.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
Well, i'll tell you what, myke my, my Welcome to
the NFL came in practice in training camp.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Corey dialing, Corey dialing, what it was?

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Ford dealing And man, I mean it was just a regular,
you know, regular little zone play. And you know, I
got through it and I hit him, but he was coming
with so much force it felt rooted right. I was dizzy.
I went back to the huddle. I'm shaking my head.
I'm like, man, what the hell just happened? And I'm

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and now the play is still like, We're in a
huddle and I'm sitting here saying, man, I like, I'm shaking,
I'm trying to shake it off. I'm like, man, like,
I don't like, I'm dizzy, my eyes crossed, I'm seeing
the stars. I'm like, man, mind you the office is
breaking the huddle to get back at the lit swimmer.
So I'm like, man, let me buckle up, and I
got back in it. But it's like, right when I

(22:39):
put my hand back down and the play happened, I
snapped out of it and come to find out I
had no error in my helmet and trying to hit
a two hundred and thirty pound bag.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Was that your first time hitting a two hundred and
thirty pounds like, because I mean, we all played college,
we all played high school. Yes, you were probably the
largest human. Yeah, I mean he put it to you though. Yeah,
I know he played it in the NFL. Yeah, but
I'm just saying that fact that big because Corey Dillon
ran violent ye and it was heavy heavy.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
It was like he it was he was a slug
and he was just so strong man. That was that
was Like I said, that was training training camp for
my rookie year. So that was my first like, hey,
this is the big boys game, you know, But it
never you know, it never did anything to me. You know,
I shook it off and I kept the moon. But
you know, you're talking about you know, rookie moments and

(23:28):
welcome to the NFL. It came for me. It came
from Corey Dialer. Absolutely, Corey. He probably don't even know this,
but I'm telling you. I'm telling you the truth. Yeah,
he rocked me, and I'm just going for a tackle.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
He rocked me. That's the collision. Yeah, you were young still,
I was you probably you weren't even ready for it.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
No, no, no air in a helmet, and I'm trying
to play a game with no.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Air, bike, helmet or shut back. It was a bike
with the actual bladder, the blue bladder.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
But you know what, I played my whole career, high school,
college and pros with that helmet, with that him, I
wouldn't play with no other other hemn.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
You know. I played with that helmet until I started
just getting kaboozled across the middle and I just went
to I said, give me the safest one year four.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
You remember when you remember when they came in and
they changed the rule and Bill was like, everybody changes
their helmets. This that's what the rule is, and woo.
So I told Bill then I'm like, I talked to
him afterwords. I'm like, I can't do it if I
if I have to play with another hem and I'll
retire you.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
That's just what it is. Bill. I'm sorry what Bill said.
He's like, you're fine, you know, just you know, you know,
just you know, don't go out and make a scene
and everything sooky. I'm like, okay, I appreciate that, but
I was dead serious. Was that was that a did
you throw a motherfucker in there? Good possibility? Can you

(24:56):
explain the motherfucker? It's like, you know, it's like a.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
You know, I switched it up to mo folk because
I don't like the curse anymore. But like mofo, Like
it's like a like a what's up? Or like hey
check it out, Hey check hey, mofo, check this out record.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
You know.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
It's more like a kind of cool chill and letting
you getting your attention. I got something to tell you, you
know what I'm saying. But that the craziest thing is, man,
that that travels so many different places.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Man.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
I remember when Brian Flories was down to Miami. The
first thing, the first time you see me down there,
you're like, mofo. So it's like it's the thing that
travel you know, so.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
That big you would be holding court in the locker room. Yeah,
you see him and Randy. Yeah, and all of a
sudden these too. I just be walking by it. I
didn't want to say a word. Here is folk, that's it.
That's the word. They would they would say it back
to each other and communicate because it has different meanings. Yeah, yeah,
it does. It has different meaning.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
The thing is, it's all about how you coming to
the scene with what you're coming with, because it'll tell
you right then and there. Hey, if it's something serious,
or if it's something like, man, let me tell you
about this.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
So it's all about how you know the context of it,
you know how it going to be presented.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
But yeah, it travels well. The boys are back in town.
That's right. We are back in Boston for another live show,
an evening with the Nuthouse. You thought last year was wild,
This year is gonna be bigger and better. We got
Gronk myself, plenty of special guests and surprises in store

(26:33):
August twenty eighth at the MGM Music Hall at Fenway.
Tickets on sale now go to ticketmaster dot com. It's
gonna be a bast Can we talk about the first
time I get into a player? A lot I'm driving
like a Lincoln MKL some Lincoln four door and I
roll up and you roll in in a semi truck

(26:55):
with no fucking There was no trailer, but it was
a big ass orange semi truck and you wore the overall.
How was the gas mileage on that car? It was
actually good, was it? Oh? Yeah, it was good. I
had a fifty two gallon tank on that bad boy. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Like so you know I would drive back from you know,
from Boston to Florida. I feel it once, I feel
it once one time, let's go. I can haul anything
if I wanted to. But you know, I seen. The
crazy thing is when I saw that truck. What it
was international. It's an international international. So when I saw it,

(27:32):
I'm like, man, that's so much me I wanted. So
I bought it from a guy in Florida for fifty
thousand dollars. And I mean he had a dick down inside.
He had the snake skin leather, and I had a
nice little system in it. You know, I had the
bull horn in that bad boy. You know, so it
hit my personality, you know what I mean? Oh yeah,

(27:54):
like we I'm rolling And that was probably my best
car I ever had.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
I loved that car. You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
You got rid of it, got rid of it, got
rid of it. I wish I never did, But I'm
gonna get another one.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
What is the most you ever holding that thing? Nothing?

Speaker 4 (28:08):
Just me in the f I never I never hit
it up, hits anything up to it because I'm like,
I don't care about all that. I wanted to be
a big man on the road. I want to get
all these so called big trucks out of the way.
And because when I came through, you heard me a
mile away.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
You heard it. Because I can hit that horn and
like get some people attention. It was it was like
that was my welcome to the NFL. Roll up and
I saw a big v get out truck and he
parked that thing right in the front. That's right, took up.
I didn't care, didn't care, didn't care what yeah going

(28:45):
on by their business. You have to get your cdo
for that.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
I did not hauling nothing to plus the gears and
it was automatic and all that stuff. So I got
away with not having CDs and stuff. And like I said,
I love that truck. Like that truck man. My age
just sent me a picture, probably like a week or
so ago, with my youngest son and his son taking
the picture next to it.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, so it brung back memories. I'm like, man, I
love that truck. Why did I get rid of that truck? Jeez?
But yeah, she was my baby. Where was the hardest
place you ever tried to park it?

Speaker 4 (29:17):
I've made parking spots, so it didn't matter. I mean,
no matter where I was, if they didn't have a spot,
I made it one. So I mean, what you gonna
do to it?

Speaker 2 (29:25):
No, I don't think you can't. You gotta get like
a special tofa. So I'm like, I was always safe.
He always shaved.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
But I never had no problems on with people, and
I'll never you know. I used to get a bunch
of horns and like a thumbs up and all that.
More everyone knew, is you.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah when I it was hurricane Yep, it was Hurricane
Orange for everyone. By the way, it wasn't just like
a like a black truck or a low Hurricane Orange.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
The funniest thing, the coolest thing was I did sometimes
I didn't even have to blow the horn because people
see it. They get out the way anyways, like they
just they just move out the way, so I'll be
in the fast lane by myself.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Everybody just moving, it's moving.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
So No, that was a that was that probably my
best truck man like that was a man's man's truck.
You you you you rock around with that. It ain't
nobody could tell you nothing.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
You know what he did man man things? Two gap overalls.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
You got to I'm I'm a man's man, brother likes
I love everything outside, I do everything.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
That's I got one bone to pick though. Oh I
want to hear this one now. Can you at least
confess that Bill is way softer on fucking defensive guys
than offensive guys. And you want to know how I
know because he would come up and ask us questions,
like on Wednesdays, he'd always he'd always test us, right,
he'd always test us, both offense and defense in front

(30:47):
of each other. He look over at me, edaman, what
what coverage is this? And this list? He looked over
at V, Hey, V, what color is the team we're playing? No,
that's not true, I don't think.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
But see we thought, because you got to understand, Bill
used to come into our meetings when he leaves squad
and all that he would come in there with us
and grill us sour our question answering. He might not
give it to us all in a team meeting, but
he'll leave that meeting when we break up an individual,
he'll come in there and grill us with questions, Hey.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Big v we're playing Derrick Henry this year? Is this
a run or paste shit? Like, I'm not even joking, bro,
I'm sitting there. They're asking us scheme this this this?
They're like, hey, is this chief coach like to throw
it or run it?

Speaker 4 (31:38):
I'll tell you what the first I'll tell your funny
story with Bill and me. Right, So my rookie year,
we I think we we in manning counter or something
like that, and he's asking questions and I mean he
going around and he's asking like layup questions. Right, So
he get to me, He say, Vince, what is memorial today?

(31:59):
So I'm like, man, I don't know if it's a
trick question not. So I was like, barbecue. He said,
know you a whole what answered? I'm like, that's what
we do, barbecue.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
Man.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
When I tell you, Bill couldn't do nothing but laugh.
He could do it Because I'm like, what do you
ask me? I'm like, it's a trick question. What are
you asking me? So he went on to tell everybody
about memory. Then I'm like, hey man, I'm like, be
a coach. I thought you was asking me what what
we do on memory? He said, Nah, No, you asked
whole I'm talking about that that. I'm like, my bad.

(32:34):
That was my first question from Bill. And that's how
I answered it. The first question and.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
He and he had a little jolly smile. That was, oh,
I asked, so you guys gotta get out of here. No. No.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
When he used to ask grunk question, we would laugh.
If Grunk knew what it didn't know, we would laugh
and he would laugh.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
So it's like he would.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
But I truly believe with Bill, and when it came
to me, I can truly think that. I think Bill
was testing me early on in my career on my
knowledge of the game. I really was, And I appreciate
him so much for doing that because he taught me
so much about football in the game itself.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
You know.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
A lot of questions that he would You gotta understand.
When I was a rookie, our defensive line, we was
in charge of knowing quarterback pivots, the route, tree, blocking schemes,
cadence motions. We had to know all of that, which.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Gives you an advantage because if you know the concepts,
you know that the quarterbacks got to get the ball
like yes, which a lot of it's crazy to me
that teams don't do that.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
That's but Bill stopped. I think we were the last
class that came in that he did that too. But
I think looking back now, I think he was just
basically trying to see how smart in my football IQ
was because in Bill my Bill is thinking three four
steps ahead. He's like, let me see, I'm a test
and see what he knows. And I proved to him

(34:13):
that I know the game of football, you know. And
I think that allowed us to do a lot defensively
scheme wise, with ME knowing what's going on, not only
from a defensive line standpoint, but you know, the back
end from the defense and offensively what they're trying to create,
and Bill through formations and this and that. So it

(34:34):
was like a not only we had you know, the secondary,
but if it was Rotney or if it was deaf
with the calls, you know, we had our linebackers with
the calls.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Now he have trust that.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Okay, I know Vince will be able to get calls out,
get us lined up up front, and it allowed us
to play so much faster as a defense. And you know,
I credit all of that to Bill because how he
taught me the game. I thought I knew the game,
but you know, sitting down and having a conversation with him,
you're know right away like I don't know much about

(35:07):
what I think I do, so I you know, I
always think on because he meant a lot to me,
not only in my personal life and the friendship we
have and we built over the years, but as a coach,
what he was allowed to coach and teach me. That's
why I became the player I became, and that's why
I moved from nose tackle to a defensive tackle to

(35:30):
in and then I can flop to go to this side.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
So I didn't do.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
I didn't play a nose tradition like any other two
gap nose because Bill had the luxury of moving me
in different positions and I can produce at those positions.
So it just allowed us as a team in defense
to manipulate a lot of play calling from my offense
and start standing the point you know, because they never
knew where I was going to be, you know, And

(35:58):
a lot.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Of it is common sense though that which is all right,
take best defensive alignment, put him on worse offensive lignment,
maybe not be in traditional spot, but that's weakness and
then you win, you know what I mean? Like, oh yeah,
but like that's it's crazy. Like I watch a lot
of these defenses and I'm like, are we we? I
guess we're just that much smarter. Because I was out,

(36:21):
I'm sitting here and I was talking to Antonio Gates.
We did a show together, and he doesn't realize that
I was in seventh grade when he was talking about
the game that right he was playing. I'm like, I
wasn't in this game.

Speaker 8 (36:33):
But the whole time he keeps on talking to me,
how the fuck we lose these pages?

Speaker 2 (36:38):
And it hints to me like it's because we were,
Like what you were talking about, we were the smartest
football team by by far. Yeah, yeah, we were. We
always was, you know what I mean, Like it wasn't
just know your position, you knew the rhyman reason why
you were doing what you were doing.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Yeah, it's a lot of times I lined up and
I knew we had teams where first player of the game,
I'm lined up somewhere opposite and those because office line
would said, you know, I got a lot of old crap.
Didn't realize I was going to be over there. So
now I know, Okay, now I'm playing with your scheme
because everything you prepared for it's not it. So now

(37:13):
you have to go back to the drawing board and
you have to figure out, Okay, where event's going to be,
what they're gonna be playing. We thought he was gonna
be this, but now but yeah, I remember like a
lot of office linemen like, oh, crap, you over here,
what you're doing over here? Yeah, the screw You'll play up,
simple as that.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Now a guy you played with on those defenses is
now the head coach of the New England Patriots, Mike rabel.
I love it. What are your thoughts on that? I
love it? You know.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
And the thing is I had the luxury to be
a player with Mike, and in Houston he was a
linebackers coach, so coach for Mike, I mean played for Mike,
and I always knew since the time that our plan
days that he was going to be a head coach.
I always knew that. I mean, he was a coach
like no doubt in my mind that's going to happen.

(38:00):
And I love that move because he's going to get
the best out of everybody. And he's very smart when
it comes to the game of football. He knows exactly
what he's doing. He know how to he know how
he wanted to deliver messages. He's outspoken. If he believes something,
he believe in it. If he don't like something, he'll

(38:22):
tell you. I mean, he will speak his mind. But
at the same time, the respect that he receives is
because what he poured out. So I think we're in
good hands with Mike. I really do believe we're going
to do We're gonna do some wonders this year. I mean,
we're going to sell a different football team this year,
and I'm expecting for us to shock a lot of people,
you know, just because of I know Mike as a

(38:47):
person and a player and the coach.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
I've already known him, you know, I know it.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
And they spend money, Yeah, they gonna spend guess what
he ain't for the hottest hand. If he wants somebody,
he gonna let me know we need this player. I
don't want them, we need them. He'll tell him, you know.
And and that's what I love about him. He's a
he's a players coach. But at the same time, he's disciplined.
He's going to have a smart football team, not gonna
make a lot of dumb mistakes. And they're gonna play

(39:13):
hard for him. They're gonna play hard for him. So
I'm excited about it. I'm happy that, you know, we
did get Mike, you know, if that was the choice,
I love that we went and grabbed him because I
think he'll do wonders for us.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, you think these teams are gonna look more like
our old teams, Yeah, in some capacity.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
Yet I think one of the main things we're gonna
get is the competitiveness and aggressive play, I think, and
a smart team.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
You know.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
So you're gonna see we're gonna look We're gonna look apart.
We're going to look like we know what we're doing.
You know, the past four or five years, we didn't
look like that. We were we you know, the past
four or five years, you know what we look like.
We looked like teams we used to talk about, Yeah,
like how can how you do that, That's how we
used to look.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I don't think we'll look like that.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
We're gonna be going to be coached very very well
and hard, and we're going to play hard.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
What's the difference between Raves as a coach and a
player really nothing? Really, nothing good nothing.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
That's why when I played with him, he's the same
guy as a coach then when I played with him.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
You gotta understand.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
I've seen Ray, him and Tom Brady go at it
on the sideline or practicing. You know, I've seen Brave
Raves walking out a quarterbacks meeting with Tom. I've seen
Rave and Tom walking down the hallway with a playbook
talking about this. And I've seen Ray and Tom talking
about scheme I saw and I heard Ray tell Tom

(40:38):
that would never work against this guy.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
I've seen it.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Like so, the respect Tom gave him for input in
what he was trying to do, that tells you everything.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
What was the worst thing you ever heard coach Frable
say to Tom?

Speaker 4 (40:53):
I mean it got f you, Yeah, F bums was
all always a part of it.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
He didn't care who you a bill get F bombs?
Brave man.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
Look at when when I tell you when Mike believe
in something, he gonna stand firm in it, and he's
gonna tell you why.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Now that's what I love about it. Was he a
smart shit talker? Yeah he was. Yeah, so he like
pulled something out of the cuddies.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
I've been on the field where the call come in
and he'll shake your head.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
It's not gonna work.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
I've been in the hoddle with him, or when we
in the meeting room, that's not gonna work, and he'll
tell you why. He was so smart as a players.
It was just you would never believe that he was
a linebacker. The way he saw the game. He saw
it as a head coach scenario situation. He's seen it
as a head coach as a player.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Now, this just popped it in my head. Do you
think Bill liked Rabel more than you because he let
him play offense and gave him a touchdown?

Speaker 4 (41:53):
Look here, that's one thing I regret with Bill, Like,
come on, Bill like and the crazy thing is, but
the thing is he did he let seem on line
up in the backfield. So I'm like, man, listen, no,
no shade towards anybody, But I was the best. I
was the best athlete on the on the defense, hands down,
tell them straight up. I returned kicks in high school.

(42:14):
I kicked the ball in high school.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
I did.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
I played every position you could possibly name on on
the field. One position I would never play it center,
but I tried it and I hated it. But I
played every position like I played basketball. I dunked basketball.
I did all of that. I was the greatest poundful
pound athletes on the pages. I mean, Jamie Collins pretty tight.

(42:37):
But listen, here a guy in my side to do
what I did, we're not for to play this. I
played lineback, I dropped, dropped in cover like. I could
do all of that. And you could dance. I could
dance like a ballerina.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
I could dance. My footwork was good, and you could
you could move like a ballerina.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
So for me not to be on the offensive side
of the ball, when I see a lot of guys,
not just from up but other teams, you know, putting
their guys in the background that you know have some
athleticism to them, you know, that was kind of bombed
out for me.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Now, would that be a perfect moment to use if Bill,
you saw Bill mufox, Oh, I hit him with that.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Well, yeah, you mother fo you should have Oh yeah,
he would have got one of those and the contents
he would have been like V yeah right. But that's
one thing I really wish, you know. It's just I
wanted that so bad.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
To be on them.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
And I remember talking to Josh mc daniels one day.
I'm like, come, Josh, just let me out block. I
don't even want the I just want to be over
there and block and to show you like I could block.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
You know, No, Bill, Bill ain't no, Bill, it's not
going to go for that. Why why I don't want
the ball. I'm a decoy. But I can catch, like
I call.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
I'm telling you V return punt like listen, return punts
like listen.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
I did it all.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
They didn't utilize me like they should they should.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Maybe Bill didn't wanted me to be great. Maybe that's
what it is. I'm have to call billings like what
was that all about? I mean, can we talk where you?
I know you had a lot of crazy sacks TFLs,
but were your favorite stats the interceptions? Yeah? Absolutely got it,
ball in the hand.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Absolutely, you know, because you have to understand I was
I was a risk taker. And I knew if I
wanted to make plays, I had to be basically sure
of a play because if I went out there and
kind of went against the grain and it didn't work,
Bill had my head, and he had every right to

(44:43):
have my head, you know. So that just came from film,
so that I always went into one every game saying, listen,
I want to steal a play. What play can I steal? Right,
I've always that's that was my model.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Still a play, just still a place, just one place,
just still a place, still the play, and forty much
the majority of the time when I got to that
point in my career where I say, you know when
I came up with that, I stole a lot of plays,
and that's why you have the moments like Big V
did that, or or the screenplay against Buffalo One.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
That guy even I think it was a Sunday night
or Monday night against Pittsburgh at home where I spent
out of the other team and I hit Ben rothel
Berg before soon he came out of the clayash and
fake the interception. So it was things I did where
I stole plays, but I studied it, you know, I
did a lot of study and preparing for that stuff.
And plus I was a junkie in the fum room,

(45:35):
so I never let anybody off the hook.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Never.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
I mean, I was going to be on your neck
from first nap to the last nap because I knew
it was going to be something that you were going
to give me and I was going to steal a play.
And that's how I operated my career. Now, what's running
through your head when you have the ball in your hands?
House call man, Nope, just run, just run Now I
could sit here, Yeah, you're all day. Oh man, if

(46:01):
I ever get the football, this is what I'm gonna do,
and I'm gonna get up and i'ma dance.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
I'm a woo woo wood woo. Man.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
Let me tell you something. Those sixty yards are like
I'm a thousand yards away. The only thing I said
was just running. It'd get there sooner rather than later.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
You know. But when you have a ball in your hands,
you realize how fast other people are.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
They're fast fast, and you realize how far the goal
line is. It's far, you know, It's like it's far.
So I had all those moments where I'm like, oh,
I'm gonna do this I'm gonna dance.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I'm like, I ain't got time for that. Man.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
I was just trying to run and get there, but
it seemed like I wasn't going nowhere.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
But ball security was over. That thing was high and tight. Tight.
Come on, give me that and tight. Absolutely, we'll be
right back after this quick break. So let's let's jump back.
And I'm just so fascinated with the University of my
I mean, it was like dream school as a kid

(47:02):
that I wanted to go, and it was because of
players like you, right and your generation. What is that like?
Fraternity feel like to be from the U The brash,
the convicts, the best teams look like, what is the you?
How is that? How is that experience? Well, it's a brotherhood.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
There's no other college football team can say they have
the brotherhood we have. I don't care who you are.
I don't care if y' Alabama, I don't care if
you USC, I don't care if you're Georgia.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I don't care. I don't you Oh, how you state?

Speaker 4 (47:30):
You don't have the brotherhood we have, plain and simple,
and that's how we rock. We would tell you what
we feel about you, and we wouldn't care we would
punch in your face.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
We would not care.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
But the brotherhood, it started way before us, because I
remember when I was down there, I had the old guys, Michael, Irvin, Cortes,
Kennedy and Ray and all those guys come back and
there on the sideline, they pouring into us and they're
telling us what it means to be a hurricane. This
is this is what you'll get. You'll get Hall of
famers coming to your practice. You'll get Hall of famers

(48:03):
sitting and talking and chopping it up and teaching in
the game. You'll get Hall of famers that's coming in
your meat room and telling you, hey, you can't. That's
what we get. So we are so different than any
other universally, there's no comparison. It's just not because of
what we stand for. I cannot talk to a guy
for a year, right and then we link up. It's

(48:25):
like we never missed a beat, you know what I'm saying. So,
and our brotherhood is strong. When you see one, you
see bout twenty. We roll in gangs and packs.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
You know what I mean. Some of these I means
you play with Clinton Ports, Jeremy Shockey, Andre Johnson, Frank
or Ed Reed, Sean Taylor.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
T John Wilmore, DJ Williams, DJ Williams, Brian McKinnon.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Who's on your mount Rushmore of Miami Hurricanes.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Man, that's so hard because we have so many great players.
My first and foremost I put on is Ed Reed.
That is down you know Ed Reed is He's a
staple of a Hurricane. And I would go Jerome Brown
Brown JB. He was he was like the one that

(49:09):
started the defensive tackle trend. And then it's like you
have to I get I mean Ray, right, I mean Ray?
And then of course it's like you got Andre Johnson,
Like pick him, Andre Johnson, Michael Irvin?

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Who you want to say?

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Like, like pick one of them?

Speaker 2 (49:29):
I know it's it's tough. You know, even with defensive tackles.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
You still got war One Sap out there, you got
Cortes Kenny out there, you got Russell Maley out there.
So like, you can't go wrong because the amount of
players we had in the careers that had. One thing
I always loved about us University of Miami being in
the NFL is the longevity we had in the NFL.

(49:54):
We have longevity with guys ten eleven, twelve plus years,
like the durability looking Frank Gored, I mean Frank Gore,
I mean Willis mc like, just look at Frank for's
it's like, man.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
His career spectacular.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
And I'm gonna tell you just like that. When I
seen Frank as a freshman, I didn't know how good
he was. I just knew he was.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
He was good. He was decent, right.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
But I didn't didn't know how really good he was
until he got a chance to get to the league
and show that thing all over the year. And now
he's one of the top leading the Russians. Every hes
gonna be a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
And mind you, he was a third back, third string
behind Clinton, behind Willis McGahee. Yeah, and then it was
Frank and we all on one team.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
It's crazy. I mean, I remember when you guys won
that Natty and No One Ken Dorsey, right Dorsey. Ken
Dorsey was from my area and we went We went
to the same quarterback coach because I was playing quarterback,
and he was like, that was like, how is it
winning a Natti?

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Well, the thing is when we won that Natty, you know,
it was always big talk about Nebraska and they tradition
and this and that other, and I'm like, we went
to the Disney Disneyland whatever it was Disney World out there,
and they were looking at us like we were gods.
And we knew then we were going to beat their

(51:17):
heads in because they were looking like us, like they've
seen a ghost.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Holy crap.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Like yeah, So we knew going into that we was
going to beat the dog crap out of We knew that.
Like our toughest game getting to that was, you know,
we had the Scare and BC and then the Virginia
Tech game when we got us to the Rose Bowl.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
But yeah, I mean it was. But the Natty itself,
no man, no match, no match, no match whatsoever. Is
that one of the top college football teams of all time? Absolutely?
It is. It is. It is the best.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
I don't care who you pair, I don't care name it.
Who are some of the through the rosters in USC four.
It wouldn't have matter. It wouldn't have matter with the
earlier Miami teams. Only they say that eighty eighty eight
est severity, they think the eighty one of the eight.
I think it's the eighty eight or eighty one, eighty eight,

(52:13):
eighty six whatever they think that, I'm like, no, because
what we had, well, we had depth. You have to understand,
I was a backup. Yeah, you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
That tells you all the depth you need to know
you So it's like it didn't matter.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
Like when we took one guy out and one going in,
we don't We didn't miss a beat. So you know,
now you have guys that if one guy got off
the fields, like everything go to crap, not of us,
Like we had guys rolling in that can go start
in any other college there is. It's not a lot
of it's not a lot of players that play up
elsewhere that can come there and start on that team.

Speaker 7 (52:47):
That running back room. Clinton Port is supposed to get.
He Frank Or and Naj Davenport. That's a college running back.
And the greatest thing na J Davenport, he was a
half back. In order for him to play and be
on the field, he moved a full back.

Speaker 6 (53:01):
Yeah, I mean it's Larry Coker, the greatest recruiter.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
So you gotta understand. Butch Davis, it was Butcher's son
who says that all the time. Yeah, butcher Son, Yes, exactly.
So it's Butcher recruited.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
And then Butch went to Cleveland after the Sugar Bowl
and Cocher inherited that team.

Speaker 2 (53:26):

Speaker 4 (53:27):
So all Cocher had to do it just short up
the work. He wasn't doing nothing. Like listen here, we
we we monitor ourselves. I'm gonna tell you how good
we were. So good. We play on Saturday. So our
Friday practice was it we travel. Okay, our Friday practice
I walked through.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
We would be there about three hours early and we
would go play like a pickup game of football.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
That's what we would do, just to tackle, just to
touch whatever. But that's that's how committed we will. It's
like as a brotherhood. Like coaches didn't have to worry
about if somebody gonna be on time. Like, no, we
were already three three hours. And then it got to
a point where the coaches would get there just to
see us play a little touch football.

Speaker 2 (54:12):

Speaker 4 (54:13):
So our camaraderie is unmatched. What we had is unmatched.
Is this was this the camaraderie? Like during this camaraderie,
is this where you developed the grill skills?

Speaker 2 (54:26):
No?

Speaker 4 (54:27):
No, the grill skills came from my father I mean,
my daddy was known for cooking barbecue. That's just what
it was. And you know I always was like my
dad's little helping me and my brother, my Daddy's little help.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
You know.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
I always was a little guy just running.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
I just always wanted to be with my pops and
my possle grund. And he's like, hey, go get this,
Go get me a bill.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
I gotta have it. Go get me this pepper. I
gotta have it.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
Anything he needed, he always added, got to have it
to it right. So I would do it, you know,
I would, and I would see and I will sit
and watch my daddy. Where I grew up at we
stayed on the corner on a busy like a busy street,
So anytime they saw my father out there with a grill,
people will stop by. So it's nothing to have twenty

(55:10):
people at our house, you know, eating my daddy food.
And I always told myself, I say, man, I want
people to be able to eat my barbecue like this
and eat my food like this, right. And my daddy
used to make this barbecue sauce and I can make
it to this day from scratch. He used to make
this barbecue sauce that people would love. I mean, you

(55:33):
would love. So I got to a point, and you
gotta understand, I'm like the fourth generation of cooking. You know,
my mama, my grandma, my grates, they're all cooks. Like
my mama used to burn, you know what I mean.
My daddy was a barbecue but Mama did it all.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
You know.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
So you know when I retired, you know, when you retire,
you're trying to figure out, Okay, what's next.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
You know when I'm gonna do this?

Speaker 4 (55:55):
And I tried so many different things, and nothing stuck
with me right until I think it was twenty twenty three.
We was up here and stand at the Four Seasons,
me and my wife, and we stand in the Four
Seasons and we look out the window and they have
a farmer's market out there, and I said, we're gonna

(56:19):
do that. I'm gonna create I'm gonna create this barbecue sauce.
We're gonna do that. We're gonna call it barbecue sauce.
Gotta have it. GGI were coming to do that. That
was two years ago. Were coming to do that because
I saw the Farmer's wark and I've seen all the
people out there and everywhere I'll go people always ask
about my barbecue, did that and the other.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
So I just got to a.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
Point one day I say, you know what, I'm gonna
stick to what I know and what I love, and
that's food. I've been at it since I was a kid,
you know, so gg I gotta have it, just like
you know in football, we have got to have a
situation able to have it right.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
So it's like, that's the greatest and that's what your
dad used to say, all and yes.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
So when I got to the NFL, when I started
putting all this together, I'm like, man, you know what,
I grew up here and got to have it. And
then I get to the NFL and now Bill said, hey,
and it's got to have a situation. This is how
we're going to handle it. Gotta have this. This is
so I'm like, it's a no brainer for me to
recreate something my father showed me as a little kid
and just perfected. So he can be proud of my

(57:28):
product I have. And that's where GHI come from and
the sauce come from. It's in my blood. Like I
like I said, my daddy was, I mean, you talk,
go back to my hometown and talk about mister will
Force barbecue like it was to die for it. So
and then you know, when I left New England, I
moved to Texas and I get around all these guys.

(57:50):
That's all they do for a living, it's cook and barbecue.
I was in heaven. So you know, I went around
these guys and just picked their brain and eat and
and you know, just learn about different stuff and Bob's stuff.
And then you know, just out there, like I say,
in twenty three, they'd hit me looking at that farm
and walk and say, this is what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna come out with a barbecue sauce. Gotta have it,
g h I and we're gonna rocket. And that's where

(58:12):
we're at. It's such a love perfect name. Yeah, gotta
have it seventy five, That is, you gotta have.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
It seventy five. Baby. Now, what what was Pops' best
dish on the barbecue? What did he It was ribs
and chicken ribs and chickens. So is it beef rib
or is it?

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Back then beef when we ain't get on the thing,
beef was burgers and steaks back then when my father
fired that picked up and anybody else that fired that
pick up back then.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Man, it was rial. That's what we're doing, you know.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
And are they saucy or they dry? No, see, I
don't know the difference dry. So dry rub is just seasoning.
You don't need you put the sauce on after and.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Normally if you want sauce you can put it on
that there. But normally when you have if you have
a good dry rub, you don't need sauce. But a
lot of people like sauce even with that, So that's fine,
that's that's no deal. But you know, barbecuing is a technique.
It's it's you have to understand how each pit work.
You got to understand how to pair if you smoking

(59:12):
with wood, how to pair woods with what you're cooking,
the temperature, how to control the temperature, making sure you're
cooking with the right smoke. So it's a lot that
goes into smoking. That's why a lot of people can't
smoke meats because people don't know the technique in doing it.
A lot of guys are used charcoal or pellets, and
which is fine and danny, but when you start getting

(59:33):
to smoking foods and smoking meats and cooking it's a technique.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
You have to know what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
Because you can get some food that's tastes bitter from
the too much smoke. You can cook with some smoke
that's too too thick and just nasty smoke. So it's
techniques too grilling, you know. And everybody have their day ways.
But the good thing with me, I grew up seeing
my daddy on charcoal, that's what it was, and he'll
throw hiss little wood chips in it. But as I

(59:59):
got older and started getting better at cooking and barbecuing,
you know, I learned the master the woods and the
flavors of the woods and how it goes, and how
to build your smoke stack and all that good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
So I just took off with it. It's like anything else,
reps REPSP. It's an experiment.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
It's gonna you're gonna screw up a lot of stuff,
you know, even with this sauce. You know, I probably
made over one hundred sauces just creating this sauce. I mean,
I it took some time. It took me something. It
took me two years to get to this point where
we're at with g H I and I created some
good sauces and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
I can't wait to try because we got the barbecue
right after it. Get that gh I sending at five
on it. Yeah, job, baby, gotta have it. Baby. Oh now,
let's go back into time around when the game took place.
This game took place November twenty second, twenty twelve, on Thanksgiving.
Do you have a barbecue turkey?

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah, smoke turkey. Smoke. That's the only way I'll eat turkey.
It was smoked, smoke it and we go for what
pop culture was going on around the world. Number one movie,
The Twilight Saga breaking down. I like your team Jacob
or team the other guy. Edward Edwards, Edward Edward, Yeah,

(01:01:14):
I was network guy too, Edward. Yeah, I was Team Edward.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
We just it's just his whole It's like he's just
so smooth and like you mean business. Yeah, he's quiet,
what he means business And when he talked you listen, Yeah,
you know, he's like one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
He's sneaky, scary. He is like he's that like Gothy
White scary. That's right, Hey, that's what he became, Batman,
he became back. Hey. Shout out number one song One
More Night by Maroon five, you remember that one. I
don't know around this time. Call of Duty Black Ops
two makes five hundred million in the first twenty four hours.

(01:01:51):
Do you play Black Ops? No, not really. I used
to play with Randy, my rookie heere. Yeah. We used
to play golf in the truck, the trucks, the trucks. Yeah,
I see. It was crazy to me because I remember
being a young kid straight out of college, game in
my whole life, you know what I mean. And Randy
was at that time, he's probably like thirty years old, right,
you know, so he's older, you know, and he would

(01:02:14):
just you would be looking at Randy's guy, and Randy's
guy would just be like looking at the stars and ship, like,
what the fuck is this guy doing? Fast forward twelve
years when I'm playing with young kids, I'm like, Randy, Now,
I'm like, it's crazy. How like the younger kids? I
just we used to play Black Ops together. Gangam Style

(01:02:36):
came out that has eight hundred million views on YouTube.
Well it's got more than that. It's got to be
a billion. What is it. I'm on it's that one.
My daughter like, now.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
It's at five point six, Billy, But I know, I
know that song.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
That's the song he smoked.

Speaker 5 (01:03:01):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Super Bowl champion Baltimore Ravens this year m V P
Adrian Peterson. I don't think we've had a running back
MVP since No. He was a different person.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
He was he was And I got a chance to
play against him ones and he was ok like he
was Okay, he was he was he was special?

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Was he was he prime AP at that time because
AP stuck around. Yeah, he was prime. I mean it was.
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
My best running back man was be smoke like man.
He when he was a rookie in Buffalo. I remember
pulling him to a side right after the game and
I don't talk to people after the game, and I
put him to a side and I say, listen to
young fellow, you special, keep your head on straight. You're
gonna you're gonna do some damage in this league. And
he kind of smiling, like I appreciate it. He was

(01:03:55):
a rookie and fast forward. I mean, he had a
hell of a career. But I've always reached beck to
that guy because he run hall, he runs angry, he
runs you know where he's from, right? Where from?

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
How to get that in the Yeah? I respect this guy.
I love I love his game. Oh ship Heisman Trophy
was Johnny Manzell Natty was Alabama and then NFL used
replacement Oh my, you remember those replacement rests we played
against Baltimore against we had.

Speaker 8 (01:04:29):
The water Boys, the garbage. Yeah, yeah, I got an
OPI with it was weird. I was like, we need
to get Bill was Bill was fissed.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
That's when you would see Bill get the maddess is
when it was like anything to do with like officiating
equipment on the field, Like I bruised my leg because
the first down markers and like he wanted to go
kill the league like these fucking asshole like anything that
could hurt the player. Like he didn't want that. No,
not at all. Oh Lebron won his first NBA title

(01:05:03):
beating Oklahoma City Thunder. For one, it's still.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
Doing it, baby, he's still rocking joke, he's still looking good.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Yeah, he's he's just a different breed dude. I mean
he's a different breed man.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Like what he doing and just like his makeup, it's
just wow, Like I don't even know the next guy
we have like that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Honestly, I'm a Jordan guy. But like it's it's starting
to become like Tom Brady asque that this guy's performing
into his forties on basketball.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
We've never seen that he solid. He slid and Lebron solid.
I love Jordan too, and I love and I love Kobe.
I love Kobe too. I love Kobe. But those three
guys like, man like, they are special.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Man Like, were you there when he came and talked
to us Kobe or was it later? No?

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
It was later, it was later. Yeah, I love you know,
I've loved Kobe man like. It's just something about his
game and his just mentality that I fell in love with. Like, man,
he was just he was just so savvy and it's
gaming and it's like he never backed down for any
type of competitors killing. He going for your throat, you

(01:06:14):
know what I mean. But all those guys like you know, Jordan, Lebron, Kobe, like,
those guys they are special, man, Yeah, they are special.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
I had Truth.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
I grew up a Celtis fan, so I grew up
loving Truth and KG and the original Big Three, the original.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
We went over the game. What was in two thousand
and eight Conference final against Lebron when Lebron had forty
five and Paul had forty one.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Was that the game said something to Kobe or something
and it said something to him.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
No, this was against Lebron. No, I mean I mean
Lebron because he went off. He was here, he was here,
you were court.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
I think that's the game. I don't know Doc says
something to him. I think Doc said something to him
and got him lit up and he went off.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Went off. Yeah, he went off. But Paul died to
Paul game.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
I'm telling people got to put some respect on God
now because he Paul was like a backyard. He's like
one of those guys in the backyard. He'll go play
anywhere in the backyard and just crossing your record and
check out, let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
And then his little exactly like, come on, man, I said,
how can every time you hear big three, you be
going put put some respect on my name? He goes,
I didn't do that? Did the truth? Was the truth?
Go right there?

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
I'm big boy, big boy put out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
I had a thirty four on that thing. Baby, how.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
Man, look you still go? But you know, I want
to get to so bad, but I moved around so much.
But hopefully this year I can we been spending some
time up here. But I grew up with Celtics, Like
you know, I'm not one of those guys want to claim, like, no,
I grew up p Celtic when I say I used
to watch Larry mchal and Parish, like I grew up
watching them. So I fell in love with Boston just

(01:08:17):
because of that. And then we come back and get
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
KG and Paul and with Ray Ray's like, man, I
was in heaven.

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
I'm like, I'm watching, I'm watching, I'm I'm I'm in
the city in Title Town right and watching one of
the greatest organizations ever in basketball. And I grew up
watching them, Like I couldn't have been any happier, you
know what I mean. So they bring me so much
joy over the years just being a part of And

(01:08:49):
that's one thing people have to understand.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
It's like.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
Maybe it was God and maybe it was in his
will because I grew up watching and seeing and stuff.
And when I got drafted by the New England Patriots,
the first thing I said, where is that I'm like
that in England? Is that the new part of England?

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
So I had no idea that was in Boston. There
was like, oh, it's where the Celtics play Boston. I'm like,
oh yeah, okay, y, I'll be good because I'm like
I'm a ball now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
You know, how did you become a Celtics fan? I
don't know. It was something. So I was a Celtis
fan and I was a Buffalo Bills fan. Yep. Growing up.
Bruce Smith and Thurman Timms like man, so I grew up.
So they get drafted and they were hell good for
Super Bowl. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
So when I got here, I was I was like
a kid in the kings to so you so you
tell me I can go see my my team play.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Man. Look here, man, I can't beat that, can't beat it.
We were literally that'll this will never happen again, being
able to be an athlete in a city where we're
showing up to championship games with the Super Bowl rings.
And I'm not just saying one we're basking ball hockey Pa.

(01:10:02):
It's just it was such a fun time. This is
you know what we have here in Boston's special. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
It's not a lot of cities half what we have
now you have a couple of them, but man, to
be able to do it in all sports.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
What we did. It's unbelievable. No, it is. It's it's
freaking awesome to be for a reason it is. We'll
be right back after this quick break, Jackie. Let's jump
into this game, and let's jump into these New York Jets.

Speaker 6 (01:10:33):
Let's run through these jets real quick. Six and ten.
The fourth year of the Rex Ryan era. Tony Sparana
running that offense, Mike Petnan the defense coming off. Two
years before this, I mean they were in the AFC
title game. Yeah, I mean yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
They knocked us off. We were fourteen too, those fucking
ay so we beat the ship out of them, I
mean sixteen. I know, mister can't wait, I know you
remember that with our Scott can't wait, But can you
remember you? Did you see when Barscott got in Billyo's
face and said fuck you whiteboar or something like. Billy
O's he going no, I did, Bido ain't gonna back down.

(01:11:13):
He won't back down, bro. I was like right there
because I was going to head next to the personnel
groups and ship. Barscott, during a TV timeout or something,
literally came up face to face to Billy O and
tried to fuck you something like that. Oh man, it
was the funniest I was.

Speaker 6 (01:11:27):
Like, man, this is fucking oh my god. Nothing like
some coaches and players John I love oh man. Uh
this was this was our first losing season since seven,
So this speaks to kind of a little run the
Jets were having in this era. Offense ranked thirtieth, not
allowed to show their good defense though again still ranked
eighth in the NFL, and lt the lost lt H.

(01:11:48):
He retired in June before this season, so the backfield
was more of a ballel Powell Joe McKnight kind of
two headed monster there, and Sean Green had other names
on here, Sanchez, Braylen Edwards, yet Jeremy Curley still got
Bart Scott out there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
I mean this is Grimarty. They had a really good defense,
Yeah they did. They always they always care. I mean
Rix was a great defensive coach. Just they didn't have
a quarterback. I don't know if that's my guy, but
it's a quarterback lea.

Speaker 6 (01:12:24):
If we're talking about the trenches in this episode too,
they had oh the Brickashaw Ferguson up front, Nick.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Big there.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
You know, like Nick is probably the best center that
I played against, hands down.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Why because he had everything.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
He had every tool, he had, the strength, he had
the size, he was smart, he was just he was
a leader. He knew the game. He was a really
really really good center. Hands down, the top center I
ever played paid against. No, hands down.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
When you guys are playing, is it like competitive ship
talk or is it quiet? You guys know, it's you
guys have a mutual respect.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
Yeah, like we we never crept talk with each other like,
none of that. It was always respect always and we
played hard.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
But I'm telling you, man, he was he was a problem. Yeah, yeah,
I remember what was always talking about him.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
Yeah he was.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
He was a problem man.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
And because you got to understand, a lot of centers
get help, but they could leave Nick alone sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Yeah, he was good. Now, what were your thoughts on
Rex Ryan back back in these days. I ain't had
no thoughts of it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
It wasn't no really, no big deal.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
I mean everything I heard about him, his players and
stuff love him and stuff like, he wasn't nothing personal
with Rex. But it's just I know his personality. But
at the same time, it's like it really I wasn't
playing with Rex, I wasn't playing you know against him.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
It is what it is there? Now, how much did
we hate the Jets? And we hated the Jets. It
was like we hated the Jets. People people sleep on
that loan.

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
And the crazy thing is I told Bill one day,
I said, coach, you know you have to let you
got to kind of let.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Us know, like why, what's the what's the why? You know?
Because I mean, you know, when we know Jets coming up,
we're like if the.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
Jets, but why, like why we gotta be like so
he kind of explained to us and like, Okay, we
got you, like, but we just wanted to while like
we're going to ride for you, Bill, but at the
same time and like you're telling me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
To do something to talk trash to somebody. I don't
even know why it was. What is the why? I know?
But uh it's you know, you know, but how you
know it is you know everybody had.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
That one team division. Yeah, one team you know, so
there's a lot. Yeah, man, but Bill hated him, did
boy with a passion. Let's get into these, uh Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Let's get in there.

Speaker 6 (01:14:52):
Speaking of Bill, these were the New England Patriots led
by coach Bill Belichick.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Twelve and four.

Speaker 6 (01:14:58):
Josh mc gaanields running the offense, Maddy, you run the defense.
Coming off that Super Bowl lost to the Giants, brutal
and then in November Big One acquired.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
To Keep to Leave. That was huge. Gotta love keep. Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:15:09):
Notable rookies on this team, Chandler Jones, Donte, Hi Tower,
Nate Ebner. It's pretty good draft class. And we talked
about this early. This was like an all star team.
Five hundred and fifty seven total points, just whooping up
on people, putting up numbers. Tenth consecutive ten plus win season.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Yeah, we had a squad man like dang Brandon Lloyd?
Did that be Lloyd? Lloyd Branch Wes Welker. He Lloyd
was low key one of the best route runners I
ever played with. Yeah, he was so you remember he
was like smooth the pink panther out there. Like we
had a squad, how about a keep to leave? How
fun of a teammate was he? He was great?

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
You know what the crazy thing is, I remember when
we played against Tampa and uh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Yeah, well I hate him and.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Leave.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
I'm like, hey, I'm from down in this way. We
don't we don't play this game as soon as he
comes to the lock, we traded for him. We looked
at each other. We chopped it up. We started laughing.
I'm like, man, I'm glad you're going our scarf. Man,
let's go do this. Remember the first game he got
a pick? Oh yeah, and I'm like he was out
of Yeah. I had to get him in shape.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Yeah. I was the one who was running one one with.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
Great team mabe. I love I love to leave man right.
He's funny too, was funny. He was so fun great teammates.
I mean, I love guys that has a mentality of hey,
whatever it takes to win. That's what we did, is
we're gonna wear a chip on our shoulder. I want
you to match it. And we had that. That's the

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thing we had. You know, we had guys.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
It's just like I was ready to bite, bite a
chunk out of your neck.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
We didn't care, you know what I mean, We didn't
cut out. No. I just have one another question, random, like,
what did you and Randy used to talk about in
stretch line? Me and Randy anything other than football? Anything cats? Yeah.
I remember we used to break up offense and defense

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and Randy would be over in the defense with a
big V. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
We we used to talk about nothing and you remember
every what it was? Every Friday me and him had
our one on one we did. We used to do
our one on one every Friday. But man, we used
to man plain that what do you mean to one
on one? So Randy would be a dB, I would
be a receiver and Pet would be the quarterback. So
I would run routes and Randy guard me. You know,

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that was our every Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
How many who won them?

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
Me?

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Every time? I want majority of them?

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
Yeah he had a couple of them, but I want
the majority about eighty percent?

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Want? Yeah, I beat him that? Did you ever have
to cover him? No? That wasn't that was That wasn't
the rulee.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
I didn't ask him to be an offensive line, so
I'm like, you can't play you opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
We both out of position. Do you remember Randy get
watching Like didn't he watch Dateline every Friday night or
something and explain He would explain it to the receivers
and the receiver meeting for like the whole receiver meeting
on Saturday would be Randy breaking down what I was
on Dateline or six love that and then this motherfucker
tried to cut this thing off, like I like a rookie,

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just like, oh my god, how was it going against
Dante Scarnekio offensive line.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
I love Scar scar I love and one of the
best teammates I ever had.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
It's logan makings. Oh man, man, let me tell you,
that's probably the best teammate I had. I love just
because of what he stood. It's just he's a man's
man like. He's just tough, lovable, just a rider, like
you fight for you Yeah, Like I don't care who

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you are if you're a Patriot and you meant, oh,
it's going down. But it was just his mentality and
he was just a great football player. He's just a
tough player. Yeah. I love players that's durable and just tough.
I love tough players.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
Give me a tough player any day over anybody with
talent it that's not tough, give it to me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Simple as that he was also is uh. He he
would wear the same thing every day.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
That's my type of guy. Like, come in from hunting.
Remember how him and Matt Life used to come in
from hunting with blood on, Like it's the craziest thing ever. Like,
I love that you know, they come in shower up.
They got blood. They just killed some turkeys or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Remember when they brought the duck and put it in
Donald Thomas'.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
You remember when it was Matt Castle and Tom going
back and forth.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
I wasn't around for that. Oh my god, what happened?
They was going back and forth pranking each other.

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
So so I think Matt Phil Tom carb all of.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
These little bubbles the peanuts peanuts. So Tom took his
tires and hit him everywhere and hit him. So he
had three tires and still was looking for one. It
was in the bubble.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
So Bill finally like, look, guys, she stopped screwing around.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Yeah, you plead too much playing. It's getting out of the trill,
just kidd. So Bill had to put a stop to it. Man,
it was going for weeks. It was going, dude, they were.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
I mean, I'm like, dude, when I was when I
tell you some of my most funniest times in life,
it's on a football fielding in the locker room, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
So people always ask me, do you miss the game?
I'm like, no, you know, I missed my teammates in
the locker room and the fans. That's what I miss.
I don't miss the game itself.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
I missed the camaraderie just hanging out in the locker
room two three hours after we finished and just sitting
down and drinking gatorade and just hanging out in the
locker room like it's nothing believing at seven o'clock, eight o'clock,
that's twenty of us, you know. And uh, that's how
you build camaraderie. That's how you build a team full
of leaders and understanding what it takes to win.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
We had that, we did.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
We had that and you could tell the teams now
who have that in their locker room how they play,
you know. So that's what I'm hoping to see from
this new era in New England is just bring that
camaraderie bag brain.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Put football first like we used main thing, the main thing.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
Exactly because a lot of times now it's more stuff
outside of football people concerned about and football is secondary.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
It's it's tougher for these younger kids too though. They're
getting thrown this cheddar in so many different ways. And
it's such a pivotal thing to have your social team,
your fucking brand. And I mean, I'm a product to it.
Yeah right, but I still keep the main thing that
you know, it's just that's that's the factor you have to.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
And that's how and that's why I retire it because
I saw the rookies coming in and I just didn't.
I don't like what they stood for it, and I'm like,
this is not how I. I came through and I
learned the ball and played football like football is first. Well,
God is first, then football, you know what I'm saying.
But day was coming in. Football wasn't even on the radar.
We would have guys leave the locker room, didn't even

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shaow drop their clothes and head and night.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
What's shower pill like, right, full shower it is, Brady.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Let's through the gotcha, Let's through the game, all right?

Speaker 6 (01:22:29):
Leading into this when the Pats were right in a
little bit of a slow start, started out one and two,
lost through the first three, but got back on track.
They're coming into this thing seven and three. The Jets
meanwhile four and six, trying to find some hope and
salvage this season.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
But as we know, that did not happen. First uh,
first quarters, scoreless Thanksgiving Game.

Speaker 6 (01:22:46):
Thanksgiving Thanksgiving Game, Primetime fellas, what's it like playing on Thanksgiving?

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
I like it. It was cool. I mean it's it's
tough playing on the road on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, But you know what, at the end
of the day, it's like, you know, business is business.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
We got to do what we gotta do. That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
But I would rather be home on Thanksgiving than playing
the game. I would tell you that me too. But
I always also thought of it as like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
When we were home in kids, we would be at home,
we were watching football, but we'd all be playing football
before the football games and before the feast. So it
was like a privilege that we're playing pro football fucking Thanksgiving.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
And I always was a big believer, like any prime
time game, you the only show on, so you have
to show up, you know. So Thanksgiving that was one
of those things like, man, this is Thanksgiving then, you know,
like turkeylate, who gonna get the turkey list?

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Now? So yeah, it's like it was.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
It's a big deal. Especially in the football community. It's
like Thanksgiving football games.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
People look forward to that one thousand Now before we
get into this game. What's what's the will Fork household
look like during Thanksgiving? What's what's the lineup of food?

Speaker 4 (01:23:55):
What the craziest thing is, I don't eat the way
I used to eat, no more, but I still cook.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
But it's like I'm smoking. I'm smoking turkey. We have
we haven't dressing. We have some mac and cheese. We
have probably some red beans and rice.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Dressing for you white people. That's stuffing, you know, red
beans and rice and might have a roast roast. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:19):
And then you know you got all the desserts. You
got the apple pie, right, you got to sweep tat
the pile and you got cakes. So that's rocking like that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
What's the gravy situation? Red beans and rice they got
they got his own juices, so you put that juice
on the turkey. Yeah, man, look here, man, I told
h I'm smoking my turkey. It's going to be so yeah.
Red bean rice, baby, we don't even know gravy. I've
been man, Yes, I had it before. What's linman? Things giving?

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Like for the offensive linean thanksgiving? Is there the defensive?
Did you ever have defense defensive guys at the house?

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
Yes, probably sometimes, But the same thing like back then,
I cooked a lot more because I had, you know,
had a dang on team to feed, you know, so
everybody knew when it was time to eat or holiday,
and we had to be in town.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
They know where to come, you know. So we would
sit out there, we eat all.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
Day and share good stories, you know, and just hang
out like we always found ways to. And it sounded
like offense had they thing right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
But you know, you did crossover everywhere, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
I went with Randy. Randy used to go to your
house a bunch, and so I went with Randy once
to the Big V's man.

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
Like it was over to everybody like I care less,
like you know, my teammates was my teammates.

Speaker 6 (01:25:43):
That sounds awesome. Yeah, yeah, Should we run through this
game through all right? We started this thing off in
the second with a guy that was Johnny on the
Spot all night. Steve Gregory picks off, saying cheeto. That
sets up our first touchdown the game, Brady to Welker
up seven to nothing. Sean Green fumbles, who is it
this time again? Johnny on the Spot's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Steve Gregor Steven covers the.

Speaker 6 (01:26:03):
Balalf the Sean Green fum will pardon me? Then a
little swing pass Freeing goes eighty three up fourteen nothing
that brings us to the moment. We're all here for
a moment that still lives an infamy. Nine minutes and
eleven seconds left in the second quarter, Jet's thirty one
yard line. Mark Sanchiez goes back for what looks like
a handoff, a bit of a broken play, scrambles forward.

(01:26:26):
He meets Brandon Moore's but the ball is out. Who
is it again? To recover it? Steve Gregory back to
the house twenty one nothing. We got to dive into
this moment though.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
And the funny thing is we started this episode by
talking about two gap, Yes, and that right there is Well,
the definition of two gap is when you blow him
up so much that it runs the runner into the
block or that's like that's called recreating the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
Oh yeah, give us peak for beat. Well, it's fight
presser with pressa right, So it's like, you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Knowressure with pressure, meaning the offensive line guys pushing pressure
at one direction on Big V trying to probably wall
them off in a certain direction. So Big V's got
to put that pressure against that because he wants to
attack that area.

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
Right, right, You want to always fight pressure with pressure
because that kind of tell you where the ball is
supposed to go and that and like I say, and
on that play, honestly, you know, Nick didn't come directly
at me aggressive and and and Brandon didn't come to
me directly, you know, aggressive, So I was stuck, like, Okay,
who the attack? Remember right, I have two gaps, so

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who'd attack? I can't attack this guy and be out
of gap. And I can't attack this guy because so
in that millisecond, it's like I had to make a decision.
So if you see, I was basically in the middle
of that gap with both of them and trying to understand.
And once Nick I felt Nick kind of leave, I
knew then I had to fight back, and he had
Brandon it was on my shoulder, so that's why it's

(01:27:55):
like I kind of trying to get my arms back
and press. And once I pressed, that's where but before
my half because I guess that gap closed fast enough
for Sanchez and he didn't realize how fast it was closing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
So that's what happened on that play.

Speaker 7 (01:28:12):
Brother, Oh, did you feel Mark Sanchez running to the
offensive lineman through you or no?

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
No, I just I just felt once I press Brandon
fell and then when I looked up the ball was gone.
I'm like, oh, fumble, you know, but I didn't know
he ran into his butt and it fumbled like that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
You know, I had no idea. Can you imagine being
that strong? Listen, listen, three hundred and we'll say in
conservative league, forty five pounds that's perfect. Other side three
hundred probably at most three fifteen, so the pounds of pressure. Yeah,
that these two men are literally trying to kill each

(01:28:49):
other for. And Big V is so strong. Another two
hundred and fifteen pounds hits that and he doesn't feel it.
You gotta be fucking strong for that. And that's what like,
I just remember Big V. Would I would see Big
V come in the weight room and just put as
many plates as you can see on the thing, do
is like four sets, and then just dip out like

(01:29:13):
that's how strong? Now? You gotta be fucking strong to me,
that's a real man right there. Yeah, that's a man.

Speaker 6 (01:29:20):
And then after this play we get what caps off
twenty one points in fifty two seconds, Jewels takes the
ensuing kickoff to the house after you're blown up, catches
it off his.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
Hailmet Dev runs it back in there and rip Mignight. Man,
that's sad. My guy's not here, but you know dot
Devin hits him. Good players gotta be in the right here,
right they were ready, right time, you were ready. Come on.
Then you add it on a fifty six yard touchdown
from Brady. What a bomb?

Speaker 6 (01:29:51):
Thirty five nothing, Pats are up. Jets get on the
board in the half, thirty five to three. And then,
speaking of big hits, Jewels gets knocked out to start
the third quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Yeah, shut out, la Ron Landry. Sorry, big ass motherfucker.
You know what. And that's the football gods right there.
You know what I mean, because sometimes when you yourself, Yeah,
I'm still a young ballplayer at two touchdowns, doing some shit, good,
feeling good. I'm gonna take this reverse. I'm gonna try
to cut it back into all the pursuit. Reset button complete.

(01:30:23):
I don't even remember the game. You played really well.
I played really well early Thanksgiving for you there, brother.

Speaker 5 (01:30:29):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:30:30):
And then we in miss thing forty nine to nineteen.
Big V's out there getting the turkey leg tom everybody,
how that taste?

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
How's that turkey legs? Good? Yeah? It was cool? Yeah,
I always thought about that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:43):
It was cold, but I was like, I don't want
to be on National TV just killing this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Let me just going on. Just take a bite and
going by my business. Was it seasoned? D was it like?
If it was warm? I would ate off? Yeah, yeah
it was. It was good. Yeah it was good. I'm
a hot food guy too. I need my food burning hot.

Speaker 4 (01:30:58):
Some stuff, some stuff if I can eat cold, like
I'm not a big fan, like I.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
Don't care, Like what is what can you eat cold?

Speaker 5 (01:31:04):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
I can eat chicken wings cold? I can eat pizza cold. Yeah,
eat I can spaghetti cold. I can eat pizza cold.
But it tastes better if you do like.

Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
Yeah, it tastes of course it's gonna taste better if
you warm it up. But I'm just telling you what
I eat cold.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Yeah, I get it. I'm a hot I like my
food like literally the point where it's burning the top.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
And that's how my wife is. I'm like, how can you?
I like to listen when it comes to food. When
I sit down and eat, I want to sit down
and eat and enjoy it. I don't got time to
be blowing and waiting five minutes, like I don't got
time for that. Once I take one bite, I want
to continue to eat. I don't want to be I

(01:31:46):
don't want to do that. That's wasting my time.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
I get it. So that's why I like, give me
mine warm and I'm good to go. I don't need it.
Piping hot man, No, is this the funniest play in
the history of the national Footballer? Oh? I don't know.
It's gotta be. There's that other Patriots Colts play. I
think that was pretty good. That punt whatever the hell
that was? Which one? Remember them? The punt formation that

(01:32:13):
the Indianapolis Colts tried to do on a fourth and two?
That like, yeah, in Indy when we were sitting there
like they're not gonna do this, They're not gonna was
they did this? Yeah? I think that was yeah, yeah, yeah,
I don't understand that one to this day. Those guys.
This one was very emblematic. They did it as QB

(01:32:34):
sneak when it's four on two. Where is that supposed
to work? I don't think he was supposed to Damn
near five. You got Ebner looking right over there like
it's that's the weirdest thing. Slate dog. Oh my god.
But the butt fumble is apropos to the Jets.

Speaker 4 (01:32:52):
Yeah, that's what I think, just because it's the Jets,
that's is like.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
Yeah, you know what that much. But Jets have a
couple of clips. Yeah, it's called their entire franchise. Remember
when we see ghost clip? Oh that was Donald How
do you let that out? He's miked up? Yeah, but
why is there people letting that get out? That's what
I'm saying. That's some bullshit Bears. Oh my god? Oh

(01:33:20):
all right, what's the what's the legacy of this game?
Week thirteen, Jules.

Speaker 6 (01:33:24):
This is the aftermath broke your foot against Miami. Bummer
hated to see that. The Pats would get the number
two seed in the AFC, beat Houston in the playoffs,
then lose to Baltimore in the AFC Championship Game twenty
eight to thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
In twenty fifteen, Vince.

Speaker 6 (01:33:38):
Would sign with Houston and then retire in twenty sixteen
after a heck of a career.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
Yeah, yeah, that was that was my sign off. Yeah.
It was fun.

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
It was fun, you know, my football career was fun.
I got a chance to see some meet some great people,
and I played for two good organizations. You know, even Houston,
like Houston is, you know, they they trying to know
what it takes learning and I think they find to
a point now where they really have some you know,
some turnaround, uh you know, organization and gear towards the

(01:34:11):
right way of what it takes to win. So and
of Courtunate were getting back to winning. So we got there. Yeah,
he's like, yeah, he's they're putting together, man Like, they
have the mentality and understanding. So it's gonna be good

(01:34:33):
to see both of these teams many next couple of
years of what they're going to turn out to look like.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
You know, how how is it playing next to JJ
watt Man? It was pretty cool. Is he a monster?
Yeah he's a monster. Yeah he's he's he's special. Yeah,
he's special.

Speaker 4 (01:34:48):
Like he he just played hard.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
He plays hard. And once again it's like you're around.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
You get a chance when I retire, you get a
chance to say, Okay, all these guys I play with,
you know, and and you go to JJ. It's like,
I mean I used to line up and practice with
this guy, so I see the work he put in
and he works, Yeah, he works. So I was lucky.
Even Chandler like, you know, line up with Chandler just
to see what he was. I mean, it's amazing Junior Sail,

(01:35:19):
you know Seymour, you know Warren, and you know Tom
and I mean it's Liz, Randy and Kevin Fall all
these guys that you know in history. It's like when
you say their name, you know. But having the lusture
to play with everybody. Man, I have some great teammates.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Man. Well, I mean you bridged both the guy yeah,
I mean you played you won with the first one
in the second Dynasty. Only one other player did that
that it was Tom.

Speaker 4 (01:35:47):
Yeah, I has a great I have some great teammates, man,
real good teammates.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
Well, let's let's grade the game. Oh, the name of
the game, there's no other name than the butt. Like
we usually come up with the guests and like, what
do you name? This is the fun. All you gotta
say is but fumble. Everyone remembers this game. Yeah, but
it's on Wikipedia page exactly. But Fumble. Have you ever
talked with Mark Sanchez about it? No? For what what

(01:36:14):
we need to talk about? There's nothing we need to
talk about. That's a shipful answer. You could he could
have said that. He could have there's nothing to talk about.
We'll be right back after this quick break. Let's score
the game. Is this the greatest game of all time?
Let's score it? Decimals encouraged big v butt fumble game

(01:36:36):
between the Patriots and Jets, Week twelve, twenty twelve, on Thanksgiving.
The stakes of this regular season game.

Speaker 4 (01:36:46):
Game, I don't think it was the greatest game of
all time. Now, yeah, you got great though, I mean, okay,
great stakes one to ten, ten being the most going
for like a three peet or something.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
That's a five man. It's a that's an integrity type
of score. It's an integrity type score. I would say,
I'm gonna go five point three, okay, okay when I
think a night game on Thanksgiving raises the stakes just.

Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
A little bit, okay, okay, okay, I feel that I'm
thinking of what you're putting.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Now, let's go with the star power zero to ten
decimals encouraged God who he had? Again? See that's that's
that you're saying that it ain't gonna be very high. Yeah,
like mangle t point two, two point two, that's another

(01:37:43):
integrity type score. Two point two, that's an integrity type score.
I'm gonna go with I gotta go with. I mean,
it's still pro football and you still had Rex Ryan.
He had a lot of He was like a W
W E character AFT. I love playing it, like That's
what he was like. He like he loved playing that
role we did for you. Lenny Kravitz was playing the

(01:38:03):
halftime shown then he could bump it a little bit. Yeah,
I forgot to mention that I'm gonna go with the
four point one. I want to get up. Oh eight
point six?

Speaker 4 (01:38:13):
Whoa, I'm not sure what at eight point five eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
I think I'm I think I'm bumping you.

Speaker 6 (01:38:18):
I think you guys are doing all the heavy lifting.
My fan boy, this is coming out.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
I think every events. Yeah, yeah, I guess I'll stick
with my high eighty six. Yeez. What is the game?
The game play zero to ten of this historic day
where twenty one points were scored nine seconds. I believe seconds.
I'm still crazy though, matter.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
Yes, Yeah, that's oh gameplay. Yeah, that's about that's about
an eight point two.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
Eight point two, A lot of points, yeah, a lot
of fun plays, historical plays.

Speaker 7 (01:38:54):
Yeah, and that fifty three sec those three touchdowns offensive,
defensive and specialty.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
Yeah, I don't think that's a recycled Actually, yeah, that's
like I'm gonna go with a seven point six. Think
I might have gone weirdly low here five point seven.
I want five point four. You guys, half of the
game was a five. They got point four. That's how
they were bad. The But we gotta we gotta, we
gotta score. The name of the game, the butt fumble game.

(01:39:22):
Oh scored, oh man, teen, that's teen. Yep, that is
a unequivalent culture. I'm going ten as well. Everyone knows
that when a ten a nine.

Speaker 7 (01:39:30):
Point five and we're one five because perfect perfection is
the we're pursuing perfection.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
They can't reach profess nine point nine. So the final
score is six point nine. One came for me, Jack
nine one.

Speaker 7 (01:39:46):
We're going on the second slide. It is just behind
the it's our new seventy eighth game. It's just behind
the twenty nineteen Western Conference semi finals Warriors versus Rockets,
and just ahead of the twenty eleven AFC Division Round
game Bronxos versus Right here.

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
That feels it feels right. Yeah, it's a it's a
Thursday night game, but everyone knows this game. Yeah, and
it's a fun game to go over it is.

Speaker 4 (01:40:14):
I mean just the fifty three seconds alone, like take
the butt fumber out those touchdowns in that time frame.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
It's unbelievable. It's crazy. It's it's three different phases of
the game. That's like such a bill like exactly like
wet dream. This is three phases of this is what
I'm talking here. Let's play it. I think this is
probably the happiest he's ever been in a post game.
I don't remember, but it had to be against it.

(01:40:43):
It's great that let's ring that right, big v We
miss anything of this game? Oh man, No, I don't think.
So everyone's got to go out and check out Vince
on will Fork, Vince will Fork at Vince will Fork
on Instagram.

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
Everyone's gotta go buy Gotta have It, sauce Vince. That's
that's the g h I seventy five dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
G h I seventy five h E the t A
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a link here too. You can and we'll put a
link up on the g h I. The Gotta have
It seventy five dot com, The g h I come you, Okay,

(01:41:31):
but I'm just so I gotta have it. Yeah, gotta
gotta have I get it, big dog. Thank you. I
appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (01:41:41):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
I love you, Bro. Always love my man. Thank you guys,
Thank you man. That was awesome. What an episode. How
good was that barbecue sauce? Son, By the way, we
just did a little movie magic. We had some some
of that b b Q sauce. I gotta have Yeah,
I got that sweeting spots on my team.

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
That was awesome. So he looks great. He does. I'm
not joking. When Vince would come in and he would
put like six hundred pounds on the on the bench,
he would squat it and then like bench it and
then he was done. That's all you need to do it.
No one said anything because it was so much weight.
Like all right, this guy he's good in like ten minutes. Yeah,

(01:42:28):
that's awesome. And it was he's and he he's not
lying when he says he was. He was fucking athletic,
like as far as when I said he had feet
like a ballerinas, because you don't see big men move
like him. So athletic. So fun to go over those
fun plays with him to the interception, that was awesomeling.

Speaker 6 (01:42:48):
Oh my god, I will say though, I'm gonna steal mable.
I'm gonna steal that. I'm gonna saying that the time.

Speaker 7 (01:42:57):
It feels like whenever, whenever gets so something like, oh,
I don't like swearing anymore, like you like, oh, I'll
have to make.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
Up for you.

Speaker 6 (01:43:03):
Yeah, just like, yeah, I'm so, I'm not really actually cussing.
Maybe I'm gonna sing baby to the curb and making
it just my vu now.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
Yeah, man, that was fun. All right, It's time for
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Speaker 6 (01:43:30):
Today we are answering your burning questions about the twenty
twenty five NFL season, which is upon us.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
It is here. He loved the overalls, he did. We
really heard that talking about that. I didn't know that
Vince was going to be so friendly and nice. Yeah.
I saw the overars delivery.

Speaker 7 (01:43:48):
I was like, well, Frank, I'm not going on all right,
let's get into it, so so we have no questions
about the season.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
It's it's here, been to a couple of years. You've
been traveling, You've been seeing some preseasons. So see, Jeel's
got some takes. Jules Matt from originally.

Speaker 5 (01:44:03):
Chicago calling again asking you what is it going to
take for the Bears to take the next step this year?
I personally do not think Caleb Williams is the answer.
Things moved too fast in the NFL, but they have
the fifth toughest schedule and I think seven wins would

(01:44:24):
be an accomplishment. How long are they going to give
this kid because they just extended bowles to match Ben Johnson,
I am not hopeful. Let me know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
You know, I was really impressed with Caleb in the
the first preseason game that I saw him play. We
actually covered it with Fox. He looked like he was
processing the offense. He was able to communicate the play
in and out of huddle with the personnel group. Ben
Johnson dialed up a great script for him to give

(01:44:57):
him confident throws early. He checked off a lot lot
of good situations that you want to see a young
quarterback check off. In the preseason. He was backed up,
meaning he was inside the ten on one of his drives.
That's like a huge situation where you have to get
a first down, so you give your punt team enough
room to get actual punoff or we're having a potential disaster.

(01:45:19):
He was two. I think he had two third downs
on that first drive. One was a touchdown. One was
that I think more third and five. I think third
and eight or something. You want to see that he
clicked off through a couple progressions on those, and then
I was really happy with two plays that he had.
He had a screen that he threw into the dirt,
and then he had one play action boot where the

(01:45:42):
guy came and it was in his face and he
double backed out. And then he threw a ball where
his receiver could catch it or no one could catch it. Now,
those aren't sexy plays, but that shows me growth because
a lot of young quarterback I mean, you could watch
preseason all week. We see all the young quarterbacks. What
do they do. They throw an interception while they're rolling

(01:46:03):
to the right, when they're trying to throw it out
of bounds or there was like five of them last week.
So the fact that he knew that it was second
down on one of those plays and he threw it
into the dirt. It was a second and five. It
didn't have a disaster turnover. You played the down and
went to third down. Like those are good things. That's
what we didn't get to see. Look very confident throwing

(01:46:24):
the football. He looked like he knew where he had
to go. So I thought he had a really good
first preseason game. I didn't get to watch as much
as the second one. I'll get into that, but a
successful year for him will be just like, let's not
take off, Let's not get hit sixty eight times. You
know he got I think he got sacked sixty four

(01:46:45):
sixty eight times last year. That's a lot. Only like
three other quarterbacks had that. That's a lot of hits,
some self inflicted, some offensive line problems. They solidified the
middle of sixty eight. Huh sixty eight yeh. They solidified
the middle the offensive line with Dolmon, Jackson and Tooney,
so you know they're going to be fortified. Ben Johnson's

(01:47:08):
gonna call smart plays for him, like easy type plays
that get him in rhythm. So I think, I mean,
he can't just like fully like think that this kid's
gonna be a bus right away. He's had one year
he threw for thirty five hundred yards more than any
other quarterback has ever in that thing that in that
in Chicago, So he's had some decent He had a

(01:47:29):
decent rookie year. It's just we have such high expectations
now because you have guys like Jayden Daniels and c J.
Stroud that had monster rookie years. Like, that's not how
it usually goes. And I know we have recency biased
with all that, but that's historically not how it goes.
So I'm excited for Caleb and his opportunity. Let's see
him mature, you know, as a leader, body language and

(01:47:51):
all that. Let's see him take less hits, and he
very well could have a very next step type year.
He is learning a new offense again, so you know,
there's a lot of things you could say about him,
But it wasn't a great situation to be in last
year with everything that was going on in that organization.

Speaker 6 (01:48:08):
I like where they're at now. Just having Joe Toney
in any building automatically makes me feel better.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
Yeah, and they got a really good defense. They got
a lot of players on offense, the offensive lines there. Yeah,
Caleb has to step it up. But like we got
to remember he's only in the second year, and I
know he was the first overall pick and everyone was
comparing him to certain people out there, but like everyone,
everyone develops at their own rate. Speaking of the you

(01:48:35):
going to that Bears and Bills game, what's going on
with the math there? What you got? Like? I saw
something like you said, like you didn't know what's seventy
minus two?

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
Was?

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
Yeah? They I tried to get Kurt with like a
little jokester what Kurt just didn't pick up on it.
I go, what's two minus seventy? He goes, well, what
do you mean sixty? What do you mean to He
wanted to say.

Speaker 7 (01:48:58):
I only got the like sometimes they get alerts for you,
and I got the like Julian Edelman doesn't know how
to do seventy you got?

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
Okay, what's part of my jab? I was trying something.
It didn't work, Okay, keep it. The god damn fireworks
in the background they're announcing the teams. I'm over here
trying to do quick cute joke with Kurt didn't work.
It's called banter bro do bits didn't work. Next question, Kyler, Jules, Jack,

(01:49:26):
what's up?

Speaker 4 (01:49:26):
I want to get your guys opinion on the new
Notre game logo.

Speaker 3 (01:49:29):
Big fans, thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
You see this? What do we do? This is what
Jack's perennials put them up? Is this necessary?

Speaker 7 (01:49:38):
Is this do we get confirmation? Is that the full
logo or is that like one of those like all
football kind of logos.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
I think it's just gonna be all kind of football. Okay,
it's all It's fine. I don't replace him. Are they
going to kill the old one? They can't? No fighting irish? Yeah, yeah,
what are we doing? They're not the football Irish? No?
I mean, is what we do? But like, I don't
need that fucking leper. Kahn's got some good ass knee

(01:50:08):
drive on that though. Put them put the good ball securities.
He's got all three points covered. The tip, got it
into his arm and then it's tucked into his armpit.
I mean, I know extension. Oh yeah, I mean that's
the knee drive, leverage everything, but anything, I mean, that's

(01:50:28):
fucking how you do it. I just don't. They must
have had the sports science people coming under that. John
Brinkis RP consulted with the physiologists in town. I don't know.
I don't like it. I don't like it though. That's
where I'm standing. I mean, you come a long way
from fighting like this to having perfect dorset flex, freaking
ankle and knee drive. I will say they kept the

(01:50:48):
face intact, faces faces good. I mean, look, is it cute? Yeah,
but it ain't the real thing.

Speaker 6 (01:50:56):
The logo isn't being replaced at a school spokesperson in
dead The new logo is a secondary option in the
football program. They can use as a part of a
rollout with other notre name sports which will do that
will cool debut their own sports specific logos as a
prodest problem with sports media, like someone takes one thing
out of a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
It's like, oh, this is just gonna be like on sweatshirts.

Speaker 6 (01:51:18):
Yeah, you see like a Louisville. Louisville does it with
basketball notably story. You know it's it's a non story,
but I still don't like it. Needs a shame on
you sports media non story. And I'm what do we
let's take a little round of a too. If you
look at it, Jeels, where do you stand on this one?

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
Like it or don't like it? I mean, yeah, you
like it for like a secondary little weight room weight
room T shirt or something. Yeah, but you could do
cooler things and the amen. Guy, I don't have the
bandwidth to care about. I think it's cool, it's not appalling,
but I just don't like the edit. Like, what's it

(01:51:55):
going to be on a hat? Who cares? If it
ain't broke, don't fix it. That's my motto. I like that,
So that'll and just look it's the part. Now if
they put it on the helmet, now we've got problems.
Oh god, there's nothing on a helmet. I know what
I'm saying. I mean there's nothing but go. That's right, baby,
then Golden Omer's twenty four K. Hi. My name is Priscila.

Speaker 7 (01:52:14):
I'm from Brazil.

Speaker 3 (01:52:15):
I just want to know are you coming to the
NFL game and from Paolo You'll have to come because
we were waiting for you.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
Guys. Bye. We will not be going to the NFL
game in South Polo had an opportunity, but not going.
That's all. We'll leave it at that. Super excited though
for the NFL going to Brazil for the second year
in a row. I think this anytime you're growing our sport.

(01:52:43):
That's awesome, and I went just in. I went to
Rio a couple of years ago to visit the last
last maybe two last year USS George Washington USS George
Washington when they were doing a nice peaceful you know,
commemorating how our he's and I've been intact for over
like I think two hundred something years, but our alliance

(01:53:05):
and people out there like football. There are some people
that knew I mean a lot of people knew me
from the roast more, but there were a couple of
Pats fans out there. You're a brazil guy. I love Brazil. Yeah,
I love Brazil. I'm excited just about the matchup. They're
nice people. Yes, they're colorful people. They're sweet people. Agreed. Friday,

(01:53:29):
September fifth, that's so soon. Chief openers on Thursday and
then they go to Brazil on Friday. Then the freaking
then the Chiefs got to come back from Brazil and
play Philly week to on Fox. Yeah. Maybe good plugs.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
It's Randy from Oxnard.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
Uh, just just wondering how legit a the Chargers Randy
from Oxnard cos. Yeah, right, you hang out the Cowboys
cable jar. I like him. I like him more that
he's not. Well, no, just like he's got he likes
the team from his area. He's not just jumping, you know.

(01:54:10):
But I think they're I think I'm excited for the Chargers. Okay,
we all know the numbers of Jim Harball. In his
second year with a new organization, they always have a
big jump. He's got a really good quarterback in Justin
Herbert Maconkey's a really good slot receiver, situational receiver that
had a lot of production. You could see a chemistry

(01:54:31):
that they have brewing up for this year. Keenan Allen
coming back, the veteran thirteen years running back Hampton Hampton
to their practice and I was probably about fifty yards away.

(01:54:54):
You could see Hampton was a running back. That dude
got junk in the trunk. Nice. That dude is so thick,
he got running back legs and but I mean he
looks like what a running back needed to look like.
I mean, it was it was impressive. I was impressed.
They gotta garret him a lot this year. You think,
I mean they got him, Nase Harris. They got two

(01:55:16):
really capable running backs. You know last year they did
they made Hay with Dobbs and the other who they
were another guy that was from the Ravens. They had
to Ravens and they made Hay and they're not like
bad running backs, but they were beat up. They were
a little older, you know what I mean, and they
were still able, still able to have a run game
that was effective. Uh if they didn't they get a

(01:55:39):
tight end too. They had a tight end. They drafted
a tight end who they got Disleek Conklin disc is
gonna be a good option. The one thing I'm a
little worried about. Not I'm not worried, but they just
need to have production out of another receiver outside the numbers.
You need to have that production and then they're like
a real good team. Losing Slater. That's terrible. I mean,

(01:56:03):
that's that's not great. But the only positive out of
it that I can think of, even though Ernie shot
this down to me when I tried to explain it
to him, is that at least it happened, you know, early,
so they can have time to prepare going into a
season knowing that they're not going to have one of
their better players. It changes everything on how you know

(01:56:27):
they can maybe potentially get a trade. How they design
their their roster for the year. Are they going to
carry another swing tackle or you know, they need to
find depth, so at least they have time to be
able to fill to do that. You know, if this happens,
you know, week one, week two, you know, and then
you know the rosters are all cut. Maybe there is

(01:56:49):
a tackle that you liked in the later rounds that
gets cut from another team that you could bring into
your team. You can't do, you know what I mean,
he got already picked up. Now they could do that potentially,
So you know, you gotta think of the positive. It's
terrible you lose one of your best lineman, highest paid
linemen of all time, sign him literally like two days
before he tears his pateller tendant. Like the only positive

(01:57:10):
is they'll have some time to maybe potentially, you know,
fix that problem. Not fix it, but deal with that problem.
You don't. You don't replace a guy like him. But
I'm excited for him. I mean, that's gonna be a
tough division. AFC West is a coach really tough. I mean,
no one's talking about the Chiefs and they've went to
three last three Super Bowls. I don't know why you

(01:57:31):
wouldn't talk about them. You know, the Broncos. Everyone's talking
about them. Everyone's a little you know, hyped up on
the Raiders. Brock Bowers haircut. I mean, he looks like
he could be a man on a mission. He co
have one hundred and forty catches this year. He looks
mean and he used to look like a goddamn CPA.
Did you talk to Lad mcconkier anybody I talked to Lad?

Speaker 5 (01:57:54):
He?

Speaker 2 (01:57:54):
You know, he he was a really just good kid,
you know. He he's he's one of those little Southern
guys that are like really polite. No, sir, yes, sir.
I'm like, dude, what the fuck fucking nerd? Yeah, I'm like,
I'm not that old, but yeah, nobody. He he was
just a genuinely nice kid, you can tell. And he's well,

(01:58:17):
you're his Wayne Quebec. Maybe, I don't know, there's if
there's a few other guys. Jim Ratt, guy that plays
it the right way.

Speaker 5 (01:58:23):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (01:58:24):
He's quick, he knows where he has to be. He's
got really people under estimate like, oh, this guy's just underside,
but he has elite quickness, you know, so he's going
to continue to get better. He just got to stay healthy.
All right, last week in Foxborg last year, I now
that much. Last one here? All right, boys, someone's got
to talk me off a cliff here, because I mean,

(01:58:45):
I'm about to put my entire mortgage on us at
least when in the AFC East, I mean, Henderson, are
you kidding me? Drake May's looking great, He's got targets now,
I mean, Jewels talked to me here? Am I crazy?
We'll give the ship up about the bills? Who gives
a shit about the bills when you have seventeen Josh
Allen who just got married to like his little actor wife.

(01:59:07):
I mean, this guy's on cloud nine right now? Have
you distraction? Hard Knocks star Hard Knocks? Honestly, the Hard
Knocks make me full bills, full bills that you're kind
of new. I feel like you're kind of new to
actually watching Hard Knocks kind of but not really. That's
the whole journey you're living living. Yeah, this is this
is the first time it's an actually good team other

(01:59:28):
than like the first one when it was Baltimore was
Goose Cowboys, Cowboys. They weren't that good. Things were okay,
I think when they did it, dol dola, baby, this
is the first time you're getting the sneak peak of
a real team. Question. Do I think the New England
Patriots are going to be competitive? Yes? To go say

(01:59:49):
that they're going to go from four wins to win
in the AFC East When you got a quarterback in
the same division named Josh Allen, that's kind of crazy.
That's kind of crazy. I could see them making the
playoffs though I like it. I can see him making
the plays. I'm not gonna put a win count on there.
I think ultimately, if Drake May is processing Josh McDaniel's

(02:00:15):
offense at a at a good like, at a professional rate,
that that's a win of the season. Because this is
only the first year of this coaching staff scheme. Uh,
you know their concept like this is not this isn't.
People can't just say, oh, they have Josh McDaniels and
compare them to Tom Brady, who's in that system for
seventeen twenty years. I mean that a system evolved around

(02:00:39):
Tom with his strengths. We don't even know all the
strengths of Drake May yet. He doesn't have enough sample size.
He saw some great things, and I'm excited. But we
got to see him, you know, be able to hit
the layups and stuff routinely consistently every time, you know,
before we could start saying he's gonna go out and

(02:00:59):
win the AFC East. I'm super excited, just like everyone
in this area. And I'm with you.

Speaker 7 (02:01:04):
When this episode is coming out, which is this this Tuesday,
we'll literally be talking with Will Campbell. Like right now, well, listener,
you're listening to this episode, we're talking to Will Campbell.

Speaker 2 (02:01:16):
We'll have no more, we'll know a little bit more.
That's right. Excited for Will Campbell too, regardless before I
even met him, or I have really met him, don't
you know he's coming on the show next next week.
I can already tell I like him though. He just
says the right things, you know what I mean. He
died for that Drake may Baby, he died for that quarterback. Hey,

(02:01:38):
if you're going to be a jokester and a fun guy,
be like that. Yeah, yeah, that's how you should be.
Positively say the right things in a funny one to
like what you have to do. He's trying to be
a joke well, regardless, he's letting them fly. If you're
going to be a guy that makes you the sound bites,
make him those kinds. Man, I'm gonna draft tenners in
the first round. I think he's gonna be really good foot.

(02:02:00):
But look at guys, this is football, okay, and I'm
not trying to put anything out there, but you can
never just count on one guy because we've done that
plenty of times. That guy gets you know, let's knock
on wood, but you know this is football. Twenty two
guys out there. You don't talk crazy like that, or
the football guys toll slap you down. Amen. Okay, let's

(02:02:22):
go with the course. Let's just go with the process.
Let's try to build our fundamentals as a team. Let's
build our fundamentals of a team and try to improve
each week. And let's see where that gets us. I'm
sure it'll get you good.

Speaker 6 (02:02:36):
When minute you're scoring two teddies, the next Lauren Landry's
laying out football gods, greatballs, I'll slap your ass down.

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The Butt Fumble with Vince Wilfork | Patriots vs. Jets

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