You Can't Handle the Truth with Paul Pierce | 2008 ECSF: Game 7 Cavaliers vs. Celtics - Games with Names

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do you know when you're in the zone, you feel it,
You're like, I can't miss.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Yeah, you know, when you're on the phone, it's so surreal.
Sometimes it is because even after this game, I went.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Home and you shot like you're remote into like the
basket and went in. You got like a donut.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
And you threw it in my shoulder and just went in.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
He went in. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Drew Edelman,
They're Jack and Kyler, and we are on a mission
to finding the greatest game of all time. And on
today's episode, we are covering Game seven, two thousand and
eight Eastern Conference Semifinals with Basketball Hall of Famer Celtics

(00:42):
legend my brother for life, Paul Pierce, and we get
into talking all things Celtics.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
You know, you're talking about one of the most historical franchises.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
It is a brotherhood going one on one with Lebron.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
He's a physical specimen. He's built like a powerful but
playing guard.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
And the angriest he's ever seen. Kevin Garnett.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I've never seen a man's intensity that high that that
he yelled, I mean, Vane started coming out, started.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Sweating, and then we play an NFL preseason addition of
the famous game Jack asks, famous in this week's Children,
presented by Coover's Light. You gotta stick around to the
very end. Let's go's go Games and Names the production
of iHeartRadio.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
May eighteenth, two thousand and eight, TD Bank, North Garden, Boston, Massachusetts.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
The Kid from Akron versus the Kid from Inglewood, Win
or go home?

Speaker 4 (01:47):
But the truth always prevails. This is that you can't
handle the truth game. Welcome to Games with Names.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Today we are looking at game seven of the two
thousand and eight Eastern Conference semifinals between the Celtics versus
the Cavaliers Young Lebron versus The Truth with the Truth
Paul Pierce, Paul, Welcome to the studio. But in one sentence,
why this game? Man?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Why this game? I think, man, one sentence playing against
a guy Game seven who everybody was labeled in the
King at the time, King the King already he was
only like twenty three, I believe. And these type of
games are like it just puts you to the next level,
just career to find it like.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
A supernova game. Isn't like a supernova when a star
becomes a new star.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
I think that's what this did for me.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Supernova game, Nova game?

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Is that what a super nova is? I don't think so.
I learned it once in science would have maybe completely gone.
Is this the greatest game of all time?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Man? This is up there?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Up there?

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, this is up there. It's it's in the top
probably ten games all time.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Maybe probably top ten. Of your games are all all games?
All games? What is the greatest game of all time?

Speaker 2 (03:25):
The greatest game to me all time was probably uh
Jordan versus Utah when he hit the game winner? Hit?

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Was it a pushoff? Though?

Speaker 2 (03:35):
No? That was good move.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
That's good move. Good move. Who is that on?

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Brian Russell? Brian Russell? Yeah, that was to me the
greatest game.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
I remember that. That was the last one, right.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, that was his last one in the bull uniform.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yep. And then winter he chilled for what four years,
and then he Mike went to Washington when he bought
the team.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, he went to Washington. That's when I got to
play against him because he retired the year I came in. Yeah,
so I was, man, it was a couple of things
that happened when I came into the league. Jordan retired
and the Lakers moved out of the forum to the
Staples because I wanted to play in the forum. Going
up going to the forum, living down the street from
the forum. That was like the two biggest disappointments of

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my like getting drafted, not being able to play in
the forum, and not being against playing against Jordan Bulls Jordan.
You played against Jordan, but I played against him in Washington.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
How was he?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
I mean, it wasn't the same, you know, he wasn't
he didn't have that mistake, he didn't have that didn't
have No, he didn't have athleticism. Nah.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
But because bulls, Jordan was like scary scary.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, I felt like I was on the same level
as Jordan Washington, you know, as a young kid. Yeah, so,
but he was still Jordan. You still looked at him
like Jordan. It just didn't he didn't he didn't have
that that bounce, you know what I'm saying, like that
that or and then they wouldn't have bulls. It was
dominating everybody.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, it was always a little weird seeing that, but
it was just so cool to see him still play.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, it was cool to just play against him though,
and then being the All Star Game with him im
at the All Star Game that year.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
You're a Jordan fan growing up?

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Was that your favorite?

Speaker 2 (05:15):
My favorite was Magic Magic? You're la kid, Yeah, growing up,
La Magic was my favorite Dan Jordan. But I have
both day posters in my room. Yeah, you know this
was cool. So I had about five posters. Did you
just still have posters?

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Oh yeah, I had a lot of, like forty nine
posters Harry Rice, Joe Montana. Yeah, I mean the poster game.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, nobody clicked posters no more. That is anything.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
If you see, like now the kids are starting to
do it because they see the old They're like trying
to be retro cool. Yeah, but poster game was everything.
Or the banners, remember the little like the pennants. Yeah, yeah,
you'd have a bunch of those wags instead of.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
The little flags. Yeah. I had a Jordan, I had
a Magic I had a Berkley, a Shack and a
Dominique Wilkins poster my room.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Dominique shout out Shack, Shack poster, Shack. I love Shock.
When he was in that movie, what was that Blue Streak? No, no, no,
what was the one talking about Blue Chick? Blue Chick? Yeah,
that was good ass movie. It still hits two.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
This is gonna be our last show and this nuthouse
before we go east to the Boston Nutthouse. Baby, the
Boston nut House presented by Duncan Donks.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
It's gonna be Yeah, chipping up to Boston is blaring
in my head right now. Boston. I just want to
freaking large regular Regular. It's gonna be the time, so
double the sugar.

Speaker 5 (06:49):
That week is going to end with us at MGM
Music Hall Live Show.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Welcome. Anytime I think of Duncan, I think of I
think of Casey a flax smoking a cigarette outside of
the door. I got the big one. Yeah, that's one
of the best bits all time.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
I think that's one of the best SML sketches. I
can't we still didn't talk about it when we happened
never mind.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, I got scared too much time talking about selling
sausages out behind thin way. It's a good episode.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
That was awesome, So go get the tickets. We've got
a couple left. August twenty eighth, eight o'clock MGM Music Hall.
You get your tickets at ticketmaster dot com.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
But they're they're running out, So let's sell this thing out.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
Yeah, let's sell this thing out. We're getting close. I
want to see it completely sold out. Gronk's gonna be there.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
A bunch of people are gonna be there, maybe some
active patriots we're going to see. It's gonna be a
fucking plast.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
We're giving away a ton of merch, autographs and dunkin
Donuts stuff. It's gonna be a bust stories. Robin Jewels
signed the football that we are going to be giving
it away to someone who gets a ticket. So if
you buy a ticket, put any Gronk spiked it so
it's worth more. So post your ticket, send us a story,
tag us whatever shows you want a ticket, We're entering

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a kind of a drawing to give you a sign
Gronk and Jewels football that has been biked by Rob
We're gonna give It's gonna be a fun night.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Go go ticketmaster dot com, mark your calendars. August twenty eighth,
eight pm, MGM Music Hall in Boston, basically in Fenway.
Crowdsurfing stage dives. I don't know if I can crowdsurfy
out my neck robbably crowdsurfing. Probably that's not And then also, guys,
hit us up if you have any ideas. We're past that. Okay,

(08:24):
we already know everything. We're smart. When was the first
time you did you ever meet Magic?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
The first time I met Magic? Yeah? I met Magic
a lot of times?

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Which the first time you met him? Though? As an
LA kid? Were you in the league then?

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Or I think I was in the No, no, no, no, no,
I was. I was in college. I first met him
because he used to play at used to LA pickup games. Yeah,
so they still let me play when I was in college.
I was like the only college kid that could play
with the pros. And so that's when I first met Magic.
But I didn't have no camera then and we didn't
know it wasn't no iPhones.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
So but I met him in a pickup game and
got to play against and guarded him. Uh so, you know,
but now I always see Magic. I feel like, you know,
he goes to the fitness club over here, of suppovidod
I'll be going to. Uh but like it's kind of
cool to like meet Joe Idol.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Hell, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Who who is the idol for me?

Speaker 1 (09:22):
I loved Joe Montana when I first met him, just
because he was like Tom Brady before Tom Brady and
I grew up in the Bay and I grew up
even more in like Steve's era, but like he was
like the legend one for super Bowls. You know, my
dad loved we had a dog named Montana. Like it
was just like we loved Joe Montana.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Uh. And then I got to meet him, and it
was it was like you don't even know how to
act because he's they're talking to you like a peer.
Because I met him when I was in the league.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Know, we right a super Bowl thing and he you know,
I just didn't even know what to talk about. I
kind of froz up like an archie bunker. I just
had nothing for him. I had it was nice to
meet you.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, I met him. I'll never forget I met Joe
because I idolized him too. Actually I met him in
the elevator in Orlando, uh, while I was in the league,
kind of elevator when he was just right there. I
don't think I said nothing, though. Yeah. I think I
just kind of like, I think I did the same
that he did. Because there's a lot of other people too.
I was just thinking, like, damn, that's Montana.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Well, I don't think he's kind of he kind of
a he's kind of a goo like he goops around
a lot.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
But then I had a chance to meet him again
at an autograph conventions.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Like I said something, I took a picture with him.
That's a guy from the Sketcher's ads. I met Bill
Russell at my first autograph signing. Bill actually signed something
for me. He doesn't sign, you know, he was at
this autograph signing though, signing for them. Yeah. And I
have a jersey signed by Bill Russell.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Oh damn.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
That was like, or is it? And why isn't it somewhere?
It's somewhere here He's tigning to Bill Russell jersey.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Bill Russell jersey, you don't know where it is?

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, I gotta get that. It was in my It's
somewhere here, somewhere here. Got to be here, bro, we
gotta find that. Let's get back this U c L
A pickup game. Who else were at these games? These
are like big? This was legendary. No, these was legendary.
You're gonna have Kobe then you didn't come. I sent

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all the guys because a lot of guys would fly
in for the summer and playing these games, so you
had all the top players. KG would be in them,
Baron Davis, another local, a childhood friend of mine.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Uh, who's who in basketball? Like like like the big
guys would never show up, Like you never saw Shaq
or you know Tim Duncan or nothing like that. But
KG was there because he lived out here. Uh. But man,
everybody any fights. No, I don't remember no fights, knowing.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Any like you know, because I mean.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Everybody, Yeah, everybody got into it. People got into it,
But it wasn't no fights though, because it was it
was a lot of respect. I think it was like
their fights arguing. But I don't remember no no, no
blows being thrown that I can think of.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
That's that's the one thing about basketball, like I envy,
like you like in the offseason, you guys could put
in real work, like real game kind of not game.
But you guys can work stuff against other guys. Like
in football you really can't. No one's running one on
ones outside. Yeah you are, but it's like there's no like,
there's no like coverage. It's just mono E mono. The

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receiver should win every time because you have one hundred
yards to take it open right, you know what I mean.
It's just it's a different.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
So what's the workouts? Like, Like.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
It's straight technique on trying to just get your routes,
routes crispy. It's all on win. It's all about bringing like.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
One find a quarterback that's available.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Well that's why I lived.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Like like today, if you want to go like, hey,
I'm gonna go.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Kich some so instead of like you had the U
c L A pickup game, a lot of times there'd
be like a throwing sessh where a bunch of pro quarterbacks,
Like we used to go to Golden West Community College
over in Long Beach. I think there'd be like a
bunch of pro quarterbacks and a bunch of pro receivers
and we'd all like run routes together. That's like our

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like pickup game, but like that's where we would learn
from each other, like oh that look at how you
know this guy breaks down on this on this incut,
or look how he runs his outcut. You know, it's
really just repetition of training the stuff you already know
and then all the like on field instinctive stuff comes

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in camps, but you don't get to work that instinct
as much like basketball, I think, because you instinctively are
going to do stuff in basketball when a guy's on you,
you know what I mean, Right, That's.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
What make football so tough. You can go the whole
off season. You don't get no kind of like game
preparation until you actually in camp.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Until you're in camp, you get like I mean, you'll
get competition when you get into like the mini camps
where you're in helmets, which it's it's very productive and
it gives you a taste. But the ultra equalizers is
the physicality of the game. So like some guys will
look really good in spring and those helmet practices and

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you call them off season all American, and then then
once you throw the pads on, they're different player, different player,
different player.

Speaker 6 (14:35):
It's kind of like how we see every year every spring,
every summer, we get that clip of Ben Simmons knocking
down jump shots.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Every every every summer they do come out with the
right It is that time of year.

Speaker 6 (14:51):
Shack from the corner shots, Ben Simmons, But it's an annual.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
It's a t So you grew up with B d Yeah,
I loved Baron Davis because he was. That was when
I was a Warriors fan. Is when Baron Davis was
dunking on people. It's like when they were shitty. Yeah
that's and then they got good. And then I moved
out to Boston. I became a Celtics fan because I
wasn't going to stay up until twelve o'clock to watch

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a goddamn basketball game. And we had camp the next morning.

Speaker 6 (15:21):
He was poster rising AK forty seven.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Posterizing how was growing up with BD? I went and
did his podcast over at his compound.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, he been to the comfound.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
I went to the compound compound.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
It was kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
It's kind of cool, right, compounds kind of cool. I
was beat growing up.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Man, I'm at BD. I think he was like a
sixth grader.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
We brought we all played at the Ingwood YMCA. So
he was like better than all the kids I'm talking about,
like way better. And I was watching this game before
my game and then I was just like dang, I
saw I played my A. I played AAU with a
team called the k Swiss Pacer. We wore kse Swiss
basketball shoots, which nobody, nobody even.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Actually did, and the back in the day were a
pair of Case Swiss passport shoes. You didn't have no
case a case Swiss.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
They didn't even case Swiss basketball shoes. You did not
have cases. But he had the kse Swiss, just like
shoes to wear the school, like.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
The white, white wall white. I mean I had, but
they had a basketball shoe.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
I think, yeah, they had a basketball shoe. But we
were so broke that that's what we've had. Yeah, that's
what we had. You know, everybody else was wearing Nike, Reebok, Adidas.
We were Case Swiss, and so I got so b D.
I don't know what he was in. We got him,
We got him on Case Swiss, got him on we
got him on k Swiss, and then he was our
point guard. But that's how I met b D. And

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I've been knowing BD since it was elementary kids, and uh,
you know even to this.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Day, you guys still stay in contact.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, I still talk to me. We got a lot
of mutual friends. We still talk. I go to the
compound when you have his little stuff doing stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, yeah, what does he have that burger joint out
there over there? What is it Starburger or something? What's
that one that we had Storm.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, I ain't tried him yet.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
He's pretty good. They're good, pretty good, pretty good that
it was kind of cool, you know. He found out
that I love burgers, and I went to the compound.
He had a bunch of Stormburgers waiting for me. He's like,
I heard you like Burger's Dog. I was like, he's like,
try my burgers. These are from my area.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
I was like, yeah, he's.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
I was KG. Where's KG KG at the house?

Speaker 2 (17:30):
I just talked to him this morning.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
I'll text on text like how often are you guys?
Are you guys just texting all day?

Speaker 4 (17:36):
No?

Speaker 2 (17:36):
I see him about once a week though. Once a
week he's like, bro, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
What's sure.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
We're kicking in the backyard. Chill. You know what I'm saying.
You know, summer we retired.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Is he training Wimby right now?

Speaker 2 (17:50):
I don't know. I saw that. I saw that on Instagram.
I don't know if he trained Wimby. Maybe he had
a couple of sessions with him. Maybe it looked like it.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Try your little dog and the guy.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Man and see the thing is you could train with
he could train with win me, but like, you ain't
gonna you ain't gonna get a KG personality and you
you don't just that, don't just you can't just get that.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
You can't mutantize that.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
You know what I'm saying. You can't.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
It's hard to can't. Well, like like in teenage I'll
just watch Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles with my kids and
like she's like, Dad, are those things like the Turtles?
The other two things that became beasts? Like those are mutants.
You can't mutantize Kg's personality into somebody TV? Because I

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was like, what, yeah, yeah, there it is.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
I'm gonna give me a T shirt called mutantized. Is
that a real word?

Speaker 1 (18:46):
I don't know. We just made it one mutantized baby mutantized? Now, Paul,
are you training anybody?

Speaker 2 (18:54):
No, this is a different game, you know what I'm saying.
They probably look at my moves like dinosaur or something,
do they? Nah? I doubt it, But I don't know, Man,
it's a different game. They just shoot threes and you
just can shoot three. That's all you need. Yeah, for real,

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you know what I'm saying. Think about I'll be watching
the games. It might be like ten straight possessions three
three three three three, like nobody likes more. The creativity
is like, yeah, you know, it's kind of missing. I
think a lot of times.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
The team that won though SGA, he's got to he's
got the best mid range, doesn't he do? So that's
why is it? Is it gonna swing back into the
mid range? Are we swinging back away from three? Because
the only team that really won with threes is basically
Celtics and Warriors, Right, those are the only two teams
that have won with the threes.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Right, everybody else is trying to copy and mimic and everything.
It ain't work. Yeah, you know, none of the other
teams really shot the threes, like those two teams, like
you said, like Milwaukee, Denver they won the last few
years even Okay, see they shoot a lot of threes.
Like that. They played the right way to I like
the way they play. I like I like Shay smooth.

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He's smoothing it.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, he tough. He's also good. Like he's he's kind
of what you want to face your team to be. Now,
yeah that's fair. He's kind of square. You're not square,
but like you know what I mean, Yeah, I mean
he's like, yeah, he's a good dude.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, he see he come off like, you know, cool cat, cool.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Cat, all about the team.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah. Yeah, like the culture that they built over there
is different. You know, like when you watch him do interviews,
you see he got his allest team in the interview
with him. They all right there, and you know it's
crazy how young he is to be at this level
right now. Hey, they can they can start a dynasty. Really,
this team is built for the long run.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Saying that last year though with the Celtics, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
The Celtics, they still build for the long run. They
just got injured. Man, you know they still they still
when just tell them come back, They're still gonna be Yeah,
for sure. I'm gonna go to a lot of games
this year.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah yeah, I need that.

Speaker 6 (21:08):
We had to go to a game together, Yeah, with
Paul as a fan. Man, Like what I need some
hope for this year? Like help me out, man, Man,
I just don't know what the plan is, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
It's probably gonna be like a transitional year. Yeah, you know,
we lost some big names personally, I guess and Drew
right now, we gotta and Jason, you know, usually an Achilles'
injury to take a whole year to came back two months. Yeah,
but then you know, after a whole year, you know,
you start getting back. I mean, I mean we got

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cases of it, you know. Paul, George k d. You know,
they look good after they came back from Achilly. So
I'm not worried about him getting back to where he
was before he got hurt.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Well, I just saw JT at Pat's camp. You looked
like he was walking around pretty good. Yeah, I think
you had the boot. Yeah, gotta get you, gotta get
on that TV twelve method. Have Alex over there, mister
Miaggi and his little his little Achilles up dog man.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
We need that stuff y'all be getting in football.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, you get little mister Miyagi. Nah that other stuff
you see the mister set up a blue ten on
the side.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
No, listen, this is basketball. Say this is what hoopers
say about the football players. The football players heal faster
than any humans on earth.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
You want to know what? You want to know why?

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Like, like why you want to know why Torell almost
broke his leg and came back two weeks for the
Super Bowl? Because I saw Adrian Peterson tear off his
leg and come back and win a rushing title.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
On two thousand yards.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Two thousand yards. That's that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
You want to know what that is?

Speaker 2 (22:39):
What is it? I know what it is. I know
what it is.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
No, you want to know what the real what it is.
If you don't play, you don't get paid in football,
and there's twenty other guys that're trying to replace you
every time. In basketball, you guys guaranteed contract. So you
got a little busted ankle, you're gonna chill for a while. Man,
you have incentive to come back in football as fast
as you can because there's always there's a guy that

(23:03):
can replace you like that. Look at Tom Brady, he
was a six round draft pick. He replaced one hundred
million dollar quarterback, the first one hundred million dollar player
of all time, Drew Bledsoe. Yeah, like that's the crazy thing.
That's really what it is.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
That and probably some other stuff.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, some other stuff.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
Hard work, determination, hard work and determination.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
And this is obviously a lance armstrong man.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Tigerna tiger bomb. Dude, tiger bomb. It's smelling salts. Brother,
they're taking those away from us. They're doing those before
the show.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
I just said y'all come back faster from the same
injury we will have. Y'all will have the same injury
and comeback months ahead.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
No, seriously, do you think those playing surface factors are
all the fact? Yeah, you guys are jumping on hardwood floor,
We're on grass.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
The injury is the injury though. Yeah, but torn a
cl is a torn aco no matter where you do
it at.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
No, but on coming back process, it's gonna be. It's
it was for me. I tore my ACL. The hardest
thing for me to get back was my jumping. I
came back before I was jumping. I was exploding out,
but I couldn't jump. Okay, you know what I mean,
especially you're jumping on hard ass surface or like if
I ran on turf compared to grass that I don't know.
You guys are large ass men. You you guys are

(24:24):
like eight footers.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
It's crazy. Anytime you go to a basketball game and
you see basketball dudes in real life, you're like, these
dudes are fucking trees.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah. Somebody just said there, like, man, oh, I was
just you know, I was just with the other day.
I was with.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Besmoke beat Marsha on mar I was my guy.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, I was just with his uh, his podcast a
couple of days ago. He said the same thing. I
went to the game. I went to y'all game, like
y'all just y'all tall as ill, I said, I was
looking up, so I had to sit up in his seat.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
You didn't want to look a little bit. Yeah, be
cracking up, you know, which gets me to a point.
Marsha A big guy, me a big guy. You were
born in Oakland, dog, Yeah, so that's where your clutchness
comes from. That's where you're a big guy. Dog.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, I was born in Oakland.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
When did you come to LA?

Speaker 2 (25:13):
I came in LA when I was like eight nine
years old.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Oh so you're Oakland, bro. You try to play this
LA ship, but you're you're fucking East ninety second Street. Dog,
let's go.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
He's nicey fortieth Avenue's Oakland. I live by Freemont High Yeah,
walking distance from there. My brothers went the Freemont Uh.
We lived around the corner from Gary Payton.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, we all grew up. My brothers grew up with
Gary Payton and Too Short went to school. Too Short
Blow the Whists went to the same school.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
That's I saw that. I was like, man, it all
comes it all makes sense now.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
You know all got a bit of a bit of
Oakland and Inglewood and you know that's all. It's just
that's what my DNA is.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
And a whole lot of Boston.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, I got some Boston. I was out there a
long time, long time, spent fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Talk to us about the Celtics brotherhood because like it's
probably like top two organization. Yeah in basketball, you guys
and Lakers forever. It's when you think about the NBA,
you think about the Boston Celtics and the and the
Lakers and the Pelicans and who the Pelicans? Who the Pelicans?

(26:31):
The Pelicans.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
I don't even know if they have any retired jerseys
in there. I can't even think they have no banners,
they got nothing. Hey they got Zion Baby for a
couple of games every year.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
That all they need. Oh my god, the Pelicans. But
explain to us the celt like being a Celtic is
it is it something different? Like especially for an La
kid really from the Bay, but that reps La then
goes and plays for the Celtics.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
I mean, you don't understand the history, the the brand.
I mean, it's probably the most you know, you're talking
about one of the most historical franchises, and so like
you know, when I first got there, you you know,
all the former players was always coming back to the games,
Bill Russell and John Havlicek Coozy and stuff, and like,

(27:31):
you know, I would like talk to them. You know,
I had their numbers with call them and it is
a brotherhood.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Man.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's just like I think just Boston sports is like
a brotherhood when you think about it, because it's like
every franchise out there is legendary, you know what I'm saying.
It's probably I tell people that Boston is the best
sports town in all of America.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Understand that.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, that error like everybody won a championship in that decade,
you know what I'm saying. So it's just it's different
because you know, I still stay in touch with the
guys like Rondo, and I just saw Rondo and Perk
last week and they watching their kids play au. Tony
Allen is actually out here right now. Uh me and
him had dinner the other day, you know, me and KG.

(28:14):
So you know, I talked to Tatum and Brown. I
talked to him a few weeks ago, and so it's
just it's just it's different. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
You understand it. I understand you lived, You was out
there and you saw it first hand. It's not like
any other organizations, you know.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I tried to explain to people that, like, it was
almost like a competition with the other sport teams too,
because everyone was winning so goddamn much. You see the
Red Sox one something, You're like, oh man, well we
gotta go get something, and the Celtics winning something and
you're like, oh fu, and then the Bruins go out
and win, and then we would go you know what
I mean. It was just that's that is a twenty

(28:53):
year gap that is going to be remembered forever. Yeah,
it's it's it really is crazy. And I remember always
seeing you guys. I never saw you out because you
were too big time at that time. But I would
see Baby Davis and selling young guys out.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
I would see the young guys, Yeah we will go
to like the little cigar lounge, me Kevin and saying
the old heads will go to the cigar. We was
never gonna be out out like that.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Now, what other guys, did you hang out with other
teams besides me?

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Uh? Dang, let's see. Well, I wasn't really going out
like that.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
See, it's the thing you go out when you're young.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, when you're young, you know what I'm saying. When
after I started having kids and stuff.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Small city too, yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
A small city and my going I was going to
y'all games or something like that, or going to the
Red Side. You know. That's the crazy. I like, like,
we we all supported each other. That's what I That's
what I loved about Boston. Like I go to red
size game. Y'all come to our games. We go to y'all.
I remember being on the field before the game watching
y'all warm up. I was like, damn, that's pretty dope.

(29:56):
I like the support we all gave each other. Oh
that was fun times. I'll see who was my boy?
That was his name? Oh man, y'all, the big Will
Fork will be over there in the Celtics Jersey looking
at all big right there on the up in the
front road.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
That was my man, Big Will Bill. He was funny. Bro.
My first day ran into the parking lot. It was
so crazy. I was there and there's a big ass
semi like a semi truck without a trailer. That was
Big V's. He drove a semi truck without a semi

(30:37):
like a trailer. That was his daily driver. It was
like an orange semi. It was fucking crazy and it
matched him perfect. He get up, he get out in
his overalls with no shirt on and ship barbecuing. My guy,
Big V's the best. What do you think about coach Missoula?
You like him?

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah? There you go. Look, look he got the jersey
all right there, Randy right there, be right there.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, that's Randy here and that's Randy.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah. You think could have played in the NBA. They
said he was good. Yeah, he played with white chocolate,
I think yeah, yeah in high school. Yeah, they're both
football and basketball. Yeah yeah he probably could. He was
so athletic.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
He can't fly. I don't know why.

Speaker 6 (31:24):
I've been to the Celtics. Jersey is hilarious.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
It looks awesome.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Man, he's always being I tell you.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
He would always go brew there.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah. Oh Missoula, Missoula, man, I love Missoula.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
He fits he fits the common Boston mentality. Yeah, like
I'm telling you, he's he's young. I like that he's young.
He can relate to the players. You know what I'm saying.
That's what I think.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
You know, younger than us.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, he's younger than us.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
He is, like, but he's thirty four, bro, is he
only thirty four?

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Still?

Speaker 1 (32:02):
He's thirty four to thirty five.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, he grew up watching us because he's from Boston.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
He's from the uh Rhode Island. I like that he's
from the area in the area.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
See, that's what I like. And the new owners from
the area. He's thirty seven. Yeah, he grew up watching us,
went to West Virginia. But I like I like his mentality.
I like how his press conferences are. He kind of liked,
no nonsense type of cash. But the players love him.
Uh yeah, he's a great fit. He's gonna be there
for a long time. I feel I like him.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
I like him a lot. How is this new ownership group?

Speaker 2 (32:35):
I had a chance to meet him. Man, they seem
who they're from the area too, Who so, who are
they from Boston?

Speaker 1 (32:42):
What's their names?

Speaker 6 (32:45):
Bill Chisholm is the main guy, Bill Chisholm.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, but I met him.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Cool, was cool.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
He gonna still be there though for a little while.
I guess, man, but you will. You know, it's so crazy.
I was like the season I did a uh, I did.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
A podcast with a live podcast.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
With with Wicky said, man, you're never gonna sell the team, Like, nope,
I'm never selling five billion, nope, six billion, nope seven.
End of the year he sold the team five bill.
That's when that when that number comes to you actually
when he he bought the team for three eighty three
hundred eighty million and they got sold it with five

(33:27):
six billion?

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, what did they?

Speaker 2 (33:29):
What was it?

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Sale? Six seven? It's like five or six bill is
a part of it too, Bruce Bill is a part
of it.

Speaker 6 (33:35):
Six point one huh six point one billion?

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeesh. We had Genie vessel On right before she sold too.
She told us the same thing. She's like, yeah, we're now.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Then Billy for the Lakers. That's wows Yeah, why, I mean,
you know it's you notice you know what I noticed though? Now,
how like even in this is gonna be starting to
change in all sports that more you're getting more were
like these family ram sports franchises getting bought out by

(34:06):
these big court corporations. Yeah, groups, that's what we're seeing
now this is the new era. Now, yeah, you know,
just group corporations is buying these teams.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Which those groups are pretty good, like look at look
at Washington Commanders. Yeah, that was a brand new group.
They looked in and got a brand new quarterback, Jayden
and Daniels as a fucking monster. Yeah. But they still
went to the NFC Championship and changed that thing like that.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Just like that. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta getting lucky though,
you know that. I mean they didn't know Jaye Daniel
was going through that.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
No, that was the best rookie quarterback year in the
history of the game ever. And it's crazy because the
year two years before, Stroud was right up there top five. Yeah,
because CJ. Stroud had an insane rookie year to the
playoffs and gotta win.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
I think, yeah they yeah, they was talking. Yeah, he
was an MVP talks. I remember that c J Stroud.
By week nine he was an MVP.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
I got to get him back. I like CJ. This
is a big year for him. They had a little
rough year last year. They didn't have offensive line in Houston.
Last year they got Kaylee.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
New they lost their receivers.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Receivers are all hurt. Yea, all hurt? Now, are really you?
You know you watch a lot of sports, all sport,
I mean, you talk about it. But of course, what
are you just gonna continue this on the podcast podcast
What do we got going in the future going now?

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I'm in talks with some people now to do more
sports stuff because I do the one with KG, me
and him do our sports card.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
But that's surrounded which I love you guys kill it.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, we talk hoops. But I'm thinking about and I
have another podcast called The Truth After Dark where we
talk relationships.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
So I've been watching that one too, bro fucking hilarious.

Speaker 6 (35:43):
Oh the Jack story in the club with the wheelchair,
Oh my god, unreal.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
She was pretty bad. Unreal man.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, I mean I think I think, yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
We need more Truth after Drive. Oh I love that one.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah, man. You know the crazy thing about that story
a friend of mine ran into her recently. Yes, I was, wow,
she's walking now, let's go, let's go.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Hell yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
It is awesome. Wow she's walking now.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
This is no joke anyway, regardless, that's great news, right right,
So that was crazy. I wonder you're still going to
the club.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
I don't know fifties now.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Though, Damn we're not that young.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
No, it probably not.

Speaker 6 (36:41):
What I loved that out of silver lining. That's great.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
So we got we got. We can't lose. Paul in
the takes, bro, I love hearing your takes, Like when
you said they had no receivers for the Houston Texas.
This guy is dialed.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
No, I know all football all of that. Who is
your team growing up? My team growing up was the
Raiders because I was born in Oakland, l A. You know,
they was back and forth. I was big Bo Jackson fan.
I like the Giants to Lawrence Taylor Giants. That team
was was cracking.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
That era was good though, Damn that was a crazy era.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah. But my team now, as like today, is the Rams.
I like the Rams.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
They're good this year. I think they are. We worried
about Stafford in the back. I think today you've been
thirty seven with some back aches.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Man, y'all know, y'all y'all heal quick man.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
We already talked about it.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
No, No, I like it. He's cool.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Pooka is awesome. You would love Pooka. And they got
they got Adams.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying they gonna be all right,
didn't they? They got that the defense is gonna be better.
They young, but they defense D line was fire fire
versus I think they're the only team that could compete with.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Well, they got to the quarterback has to stay healthy
and anytime, like regardless when you're thirty seven years old
and you got back problems going into a season, Yeah,
like you like to go into a season at least
ninety five or higher. Yeah, once you're going in eighty eight.
Each week you're losing a percent or two until you
know what I mean. That's just how it goes in football.

(38:23):
So it's like NASCAR's who's got the best car driving
the fastest at the end of the race, right, And
sometimes when you blow a fucking training or your breaks
are out or your fuel lines fucked, you ain't got
the best car, you ain't gonna win the race. We'll
be right back after this quick break. All right, Let's
go back in a time around where the game took place.

(38:46):
This game took place May eighteen, two thousand and nine,
and go over some pop culture number one movie, The
Chronicles of Narnia, Prince Caspian Man that was the number
one movie. Yeah, that wasn't think I ever saying that either.
I don't think I hit it either. Take a Bow
by Rihanna. I listened to that. I used to love
this is Rihanna number one songs. Like about around this time,

(39:11):
iron Man Forgetting Sarah Marshall, Sex and the City were
all popping off. Sex in the City. There to reboot
with that iron Man. That thing has been going for years.
This is when it all started.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
The first.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Lil Wayne Carter three that was insane. I think every
song on that album was a hit millions in the
first week, back when that was a thing. Now, you
it's so crazy. The music industry since we were kids
has completely changed, and I was part of every, every all,
all of this whole change. I remember downloading Napster and
getting all these goddamn songs.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
You used, all right, let me see what I used
to use?

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Bear Share?

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Oh no, it was I used live Wire.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Damn, That's why I got all my music.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
It's so easy now, Yeah, Like it was hard getting
music wouldn't rip right or take all day, or.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
The title would be like written weird, or there'd be
some ship in the song that wasn't in the song. Yeah,
it'd be a bootleg of.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
The song wi Fi.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Come about wi Fi? Because that was like.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Dial up A O L A O L.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
It just just ended. I heard A O L just
really Yeah, there's no more dial up. I saw it
really gone. What about your what about your no screening fiber?
I still have an A O L account wo email?
That rocks? What is it like? Uh, Paul p the
truth x x x x x x at A O

(40:44):
L dot com at A O L my my aol
x x I M was x xx Edelman one one
x x x the x different. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
There was like a it was like the motive things
back in the day.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, I still got it to this day. I use it.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
We'll bleep it out. We're not gonna let you have
your email out out there. NBA Champions this year, Boston
Celtics Kobe Bryant was m v P O V was
the m v P of the NHL. That guy's still playing,
still playing, still playing.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
A chance to meet him.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
He's a monster. Yeah, he's probably fun, cool understanding.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah, like I think he was missing some teeth though,
soundy like the hockey players.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
No teeth, no teeth, huh. Ever, a lot of them,
a lot of them. Damn, they'd be taking pucks off
the dome bron stick sticks. Where'd you meet him?

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Well, when I played in Washington, Oh, that's right, he
came to our locker room. Cool, and I had a
chance to meet him, and I went to a couple
of games.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Though.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
That was the first time I went to a hockey
game when I was out there in Washington, Washington play.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
We should probably blame blame that out too. We don't
want to bost some people know that.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Oh no, you know what. No, that was the first
time I went to the Bruins game. Went to the
championship thirteen. Yeah, I went to the finals game. Yes,
I did go to that the Bruins. That was my
first hockey game.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Around this time, Hussein Bolt breaks the hundred meter world
record and ran a nine to seven to two hundred
meter Remember that he let up too. He probably could
have went faster. Remember that that was fucking crazy.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
He lit up.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
He actually revolutionized the sport. He was the first time
a big guy was the sprinter. Yeah, because then he
once he got out of the blocks, then his stride
took over for everyone and it was you know, usually
you got the little sprinters that are fucking little muscleheads.
Just yeah, he was like and just gone.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
He made it look easy, easy, made it look easy.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Man.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
I was like, man, I was, this didn't look real
and he had the perfect name, Bolts Perfect.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
He broke his own record later this year or the
next year in Berlin. I think nine to five is
still the record.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Eight.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Nine eighty his own. Yeah, he broke his own record. Insane,
bro That is so gnarly for rookie years. For some
notable NBA greats, Kevin Durant and Al Horford, we'll still
still in it still, both of them, big out man.
How about his It's been really cool to see him

(43:28):
reinvent himself and be able to always produce for what
his team needs. Through the years, he's evolved his career, Yeah,
because he used to be a banger, right.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah, he was a scorer, He was an all Star
in this league, and you know, he just I mean,
he's just shown that, you know, it's hard work and
how he's adjusted to the time because he wasn't shooting
threes when I was playing against him. No, you know,
he could probably knock down a mid ran shot, but
he was mainly a guy that played in the paint.
So now the way the game has changed, you seeing

(44:00):
a lot of these big men, they you know, they
changing their games up to fit in, to fit in.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
You got him, Yeah, freaking Horford. I wonder where I
was getting up this year.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
No, he's not with the Celtics. Yeah, they lost a lot.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
What was life like for Paul Pearce in two thousand
and eight.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Which month before the championship or in June June after
June seventeen. Yeah, man, I think we all went to Vegas.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
We all flew to Vegas immediately after parade.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
After parade, we all went to Vegas. We had like
the top floor the Bellagio and we were just partying
and enjoying it. It was it was good. It was good,
just you know, everybody was like, oh, you know, I
remember us being in the club with like Floyd Mayweather,
Michael Jordan and everybody. It was like it was crazy

(44:54):
like that whole. Then I went to I went to
Spain that summer. I did a basketball camp in Spain.
Oh wow, that whole So that summer I spent like
two weeks in Spain. Uh Madrid, Madrid beauty. Yeah, yeah,
I like Madrid. It was hot as hell, hot man.
But I spent some time out there. I did a
little traveling and it was just like it's just you know,

(45:15):
that feeling, that just being on top of the world.
You know what I'm saying. Everywhere you go, you open
up the ropes, get in, you get a seat in
the restaurant, no waiting, you know what I'm saying. You know,
I remember I got a standing ovation one restaurant. They
just already stood up and just started clapping. I was
just like, damn, we really.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Did that, champions here what you did? What were some
of your favorite food spots in Boston?

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Some of my favorite food spots? Oh man, it was
one spot. Damn. What's that hotel right there? That was
like the jail cell Liberty, the Liberty Hotel. That restaurant
in there, No, yes, the one to the left.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, I know you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
That restaurant was good. That slapped I like straight of course.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I like, Straga's not there no more. They closed, They closed,
don't think so? Isn't that I went to the one
the Straga that was over like in the back bay.
Wasn't there no more Scampo. It was Scampo, the restaurant
you're talking about in Liberty, right, Scampo.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Yeah, Lydia, Lydia. Yeah, she was good. Her restaurant was amazing.
I liked, uh where else we used to go? Oh, oh, man,
what's my guy? Oh? I forgot his name. One of
the top chefs in Boston, ming Si. His restaurant, Yeah,
Blue Ginger, Yeah, that's what it's called. Blue Ginger means
that was.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Over off of four points, wasn't it? Or Blue Dragon?

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Was that his? No, blue Ginger, Blue Ginger. I think
I didn't go to that one, yeah, ming Si. I
used to always go to his rush us well, yes,
it was called Blue Ginger, right, Yes, his his rush
Blue Dragon.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah in Boston, Yeah yeah, Blue Drag Dragons both closed
now but yeah, okay four points.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Yeah. I used to go to his spots. Those those
were some good spots. I like those. And then I'll
go get my clam chowder from like Atlantic Fish or something,
get the bread bowl. I like that.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yankees Lobster Are they the Yankee place over there? All
the way at the end of all the way, at
the end past uh, the music Hall. There's that little shack.
They had some good ass like fried seafood. Just how
crazy has has Boston changed since we like even since
we were I was there, you were there ten years

(47:29):
before me.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yeah. Yeah, they built it up. I mean you're seeing
all the new developments around there, the new skyline, new
skyline for sure, the back bay, the whole seaport. Yeah,
they built that up. Gone.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, it's just that used to be where like Whitey
Bulger were just burying people. Now that's what they used
to do. I watched the movies. I watched Black Bess,
I saw Jodd. All right, let's jump into this game, Jackie,
break us down these caves real quick.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (48:01):
These guys went forty five and thirty seven their third
year under Mike Brown still coaching Nicks. Now, this was
Lebron's fifth year in the league. He was All Star
Game MVP, He won the scoring title average thirty eight game,
I mean, carried this team as as he did in
that air and pretty much every era. They were fresh
off a Finals lost to the San Antonio Spurs, got swept.

(48:25):
This was also a big year for a mid season shakeup.
Tried to do something to get over that hump and
get back to the finals. Got Ben Wallace from Chicago,
got Wally's herback from Seattle, Joe Smith from Chicago, and
Dealante West from Seattle to try to get a little
at little juice to a midseason.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
What do you remember about this Cavs team?

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Man, it was just what I remember. It was. It
was Lebron. They had some pretty good players though. I
remember Delonte and Booby Gibson and Booby, Yeah, Larry Hughes. Yeah,
they had Odoscas who was an All Stars. He became
an All Star if he wasn't this year. But that
was pretty much. It was Lebron. As they as Lebron went,

(49:08):
they went, yep, you know, that's pretty much what was it.
We felt like if we could slow him down or whatever,
or minimize the other guys, we we would beat him.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Now, this is his fourth year in the league or
fifth fifth, his fifth year in the league. He's twenty
three years old. Yeah, Like, just explain to the listener
how athletic he was.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
He's probably the best.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Like, if you I was watching him taking on you,
you took on like everyone. You guys had to have
a plan to stop this guy. Because he was a
fucking absolute beast in there. Like he's just so athletic,
so strong and strong strength was insane, Like how he
got up.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, I mean just I mean obviously you know when
you look at him and just he's a physical specimen.
He's built like a power forward, but playing guard, you
know what I'm saying. Like and if he if he
was born ten years earlier, he probably would have been
a power forward. You know, the same size as Ben Wallace.
Everybody knows who Ben Wallace. How big he was a
stronger athletic he was, and he played the guard, and

(50:10):
the way he could move was just like something that
he really didn't see from God's his size. Yeah, you
know what I'm saying. The athleticism, the i Q, all
of that, and you know, and you know he he
had a lot of pressure coming in into the league.
You know, he lived, He's lived up to every bit.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Of it he has.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
The hype, Yeah, he had the most hype out of anyone.
Got anybody saw We all saw the hummer in high school.
St John's was it Saint John's, Saint Vincent? I mean,
I remember I wasn't Ken at that time. I was
in Ohio. When he got drafted the Celtics or the Calves,
I went Chapel Hill and bought a shoe. He's young, dude. Now,

(50:56):
what's the difference between Calves Lebron and heat Lebron. Is
there a difference?

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Way different? And currently I thought he was faster, stronger,
better when he got to Miami.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
He just kept on getting better.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Yeah. No, it was crazy because I remember sitting because
I sat out the first game we played him in Miami,
I believe, And I was just watching and I was like,
I couldn't believe how it looked like he was a faster,
stronger player at the time because he got under the
Spostra umbrella, which is like Pat Raleigh. That's like a no.

(51:35):
They don't mess around in that camp. They like, you
gotta be in major shape, you got to hit certain goals.
They was like probably the strictest, most disciplined team in
the NBA at the time, the way they ran their camp,
just from the former players that played there, you know,
it was just like dang, and he got under that
and so it looked like he got even better. I
think that's peak Lebron for me.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Peak Lebron is.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah, I think, yeah, that's peak Lebron. I believe he
Lebron's peak.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
It's still pretty impressive that he's still gone, Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
I mean two years ago he was still the best
player in the Olympics. Yeah that was only two years
a year ago or you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
I mean he's still averaging twenty five crazy at forty
years old.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
How do you defend Lebron? Like when you had to
go against him.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Man, you just really gotta like give him different type
of looks. Sometimes you gotta pressure, sometimes you gotta like
and then you just got to hope his jumper wasn't
falling because he didn't have a consistent jumper early on,
you know, so like you would go underscreens, you would
just try to stop him from getting easy layups, getting
on transition and just hope his jumper that day wasn't

(52:46):
falling it was hit or miss. Yeah, you know, like
it ain't like certain guys like you can't let Durrant shoot,
you can't let Curry shoot, whereas like like now Lebron
has developed more of a consistent jumper. But then Cleveland,
Lebron hit our miss what is jumper?

Speaker 1 (53:03):
That's usually it looks like it goes in the basketball.
Early on, guys rely on their athleticism and then they
learned to shoot. Like look at Jordan, I mean he
learned to shoot, but like he was still he wasn't
early in his career, I felt like he was just
out athleticism.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
And everyone Yeah, he was just the best athlete.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
And then you know, he still had that game winner
at n SEE and he's still shooting stuff, but he
he didn't feel the learn or the feel of the
game until like you know, you get a couple of
those years in you yeah, which is I think in
any pro sport, the more like that fifth year, that
sixth year, seventh year, those are like your prime yeers
because your athleticism and your knowledge they're at the same peak.

(53:44):
After that, then your athleticism could be dying, your knowledge
could be going up, right, But you know that seven
year mark, it's like where like you become man strength,
you hit your man. You've got some reps.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Right, I Q getting better you some of us, I guess, yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Now, who are some of the favorite guys that you
used to like battling against.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
I like battling against Bron. Obviously, I like playing against
t Mac, Yeah, Vince Carter, Cob. I like to play
against Cob because I had to show out when I
went to LA to play against him.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Home here, I'm going home.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Uh. But like the perimeter was tough when I was
in our era because like just then, for along, when
you talk about Cole, t Mac, Vince three of the
most athletic players you're ever gonna see in life, and
then Lebron comes along, and it's just like the position
just kept keeps getting better, uh than Kevin Durant Carmelo.

(54:46):
You know, It's like, damn, I didn't get no days
off at the perimeter. At my position. It was like
every night it was somebody.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
That's a that's an NBA baby. What's you got a
good Kobe story that you've never told?

Speaker 2 (55:01):
I think I told him all man, oh man. Kobe
was cool though you know we didn't hang, you know
like that, but we run into each other, you know,
in the summertime especially, you know, we played pickup at UCLA,
and you know it's just he was just different, you know,
his demeanor was just way more different than everybody. Like
even like I've seen him in the club one time.

(55:21):
He was just standing in the corner and I'm just like,
you know, damn serious, like like it was serious. It's
like and he had like some sweat song, like he
was ready to go to the gym. But I was
just like, and I'm older than him too. And this
was like one of our first three years. He was
just like, man, be careful out here. And I'm just like, what, Like,
I've been going out longer than you.

Speaker 1 (55:43):

Speaker 2 (55:43):
You're telling me, and I'm from here telling me to
be just be careful to here. It's like, what you mean?
I know the landscape, Paul. He was talking to me
like I was his little brother.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Though.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
I was just like, man, all right, all right, man,
you got it. That's just who he was. That's who
he was. Yeah, you know, I was like, damn, I'm
I'm older than you, man, I'm like a big brother
to you. It's like it should be careful in here, bro.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Where did you develop the uh the Paul Pierce arm
out chest up? Look this after you shoot.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
I don't know. Maybe from getting.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
No.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
That's it right there. That's it.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
That's tough, bro. That's tough. That develop at the U
c l A. Pick up courts developed.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I think that developed like probably at the park growing up,
because you have to be ready to fight.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
So like that's what you look like after any time
you sunk a big bucket, like come get some right now?
What was your ship talking game?

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Like? It depends on who the player was, you know,
if I if I, if I don't like him, it's
levels to it.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Now are you doing research on the levels to it?
Like would you find out like some dirt on them?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
No, I wouldn't that. It wasn't that diabolical. I'd just
be like, you know, really you be just talking about
the dude, the dude's paycheck or something. If you a
lot of that, go to the heart, Yeah, you go
to the heart. Man, you're over here, you minimum wage
over there like something. I don't know, it just it'll
hit him though. Check the resumes, like turn around, what's

(57:25):
your name again? Like you know, know, like, oh I
forgot your name. It'd be like little stuff like that, yea, Like, man,
you average four points, this is probably your last basket
of the night, like something like you know, I say
stuff like that. He goes score four points in the
first two minutes. I was like, all right, he's done
for the day. Something like that.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
That's that's that's the coolest thing about sitting courtside at
a basketball game. You get to see like you don't
get to hear the ship talking really in football because
you're so far. Yeah, yeah, you could hear. Like I
would sit and watch Paul get under underdudes, freaking get
underdudes and just get them all pissed off, just with

(58:07):
like little shit, yeah, little stuff. It just be a
little like check the resume after you hit it, check
the resume with this little pump.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
I remember one I forgot the player though. Man he
was he was on the perimeter and I was guarding them,
and I just turned around and like, man, go ahead,
just shoot that. I'm gonna get the rebound. Like just
then he had the ball still, you know what I'm saying.
He still had the ball. Man, he was so pissed
because he couldn't shoot. Oh man, I remember it. I

(58:36):
damn I forget the guy's name. Man ah. Then I
just turned around like, mago, hey.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Shoot, you got it all right, Jackie. Get into Celtics.

Speaker 6 (58:45):
We get into these Celtics. The boot Tooo Celtics, The
first year of the Big Three. The Celtics had said,
We're not going back to twenty four and fifty eight,
maybe sixty six and sixteen. This is Paul, This is Cagey,
This is ray An, This is Baby Rondo, Rondo, Young
Rondo is Aedny House with the hot socks.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
PJ.

Speaker 6 (59:05):
Brown, I mean Leon Poe. This was This is the
biggest single season turnaround in NBA history. I mean, like
twenty and two start to the season jailed right away.
Started off with an Italy trip that brought these guys together.
Kevin Garnett Defensive Player of the Year, best defensive rating
in the NBA, third, most wins in Celtics history, and

(59:27):
the list goes on and on.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Now, when did you guys know that the team was
gonna be special? In Italy? Pastano eating a couple.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
We knew early, though, we did we knew early. We
was like because I remember we got to Boston early
and we started playing pickups together. Yeah, you know, we
was already there like a month before camp, and so
Dan we went to uh for camp. We went to Italy.
I mean, I was one of the hardest, I mean,
most like intense camps I ever been a part of

(59:59):
in Italy. In Italy, I mean because it was like
first team verse second team. Was like a battle every
single day. I'm talking about ship talking. You talking about
dogs and our we are young cast was dogs, like
when you talk about Eddie House, Posy, Leon pol Big.

(01:00:21):
They wasn't playing around. They wasn't playing around.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Poe was from Berkeley.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
I remember seeing Leon Poe when I was a kid
at a hoop it up tournament. Yeah, at the Oakland Coliseum.
Leon Poe came in. Is like McDonald's basketball. He had
his McDonald's because he was on the high school McDonald's team.
And I saw him when I was like twelve years old.
I was like, man, Leon po this is the second

(01:00:48):
year on the season, second year in the league. Young
guy making plays though.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yeah, dog man. Yeah, we had some dogs, so we
knew early.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Explain this Italy trip, What do you guys?

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
What was What was is that? Like, man, I was
like more like bonding.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yeah you know what I'm saying. In Italy we went
to Rome. You're in Rome.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yeah, we went to Rome. So we were just like
every day, you know, we have practice, We'd just be
kicking it at like in the lobby, restaurant or something outside,
eating and stuff, playing the cars together, or go for
the walk. I remember we all walked to the to
the Travie Fountain. Yeah, we all went there and we
just did everything together.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Though then you all throw a little quarter in there
and say, hey, well win the championship this year.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
I think I threw something. Did you mean.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
We can credit sixty six and sixteen to the Travountain?

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
It's real. Yep, it's real. It works.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
They collect like a million dollars from the thing of day.
Think so something crazy? Stat I think it was again
there I went recently. I was in Rome a few
weeks ago. Oh nice, million days crazy. Now they don't
collect that ever. Now I've been through some money in
there a couple I'd have been a round like three times.
That's gotta be fun.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
You would need four million quarters for a million dollars.
Maybe it's a year, Okay, that's probably better. Maybe it's
a year, a.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Million a year, yeah, because they collect that. Yeah, you know,
I think so. You guys go to Italy, Yeah, eat
a bunch of pasta, you go and walks, you play
phenomenoes in the streets. You're having fun. You come back
training camps over you guys start twenty and two. Yeah, rolling, rolling, rolling,

(01:02:39):
sum up with this generation in this era of the
Celtics were becoming because of that little trip in Italy
or whatever it was, because you guys are like the
most dominant defensive basketball team.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Yeah, we was. It was all you know, that's KG though.
You know he was just like he set the tone
on the defensive end, and you know how tense he is. Yeah,
so if he wasn't playing no defense, he's gonna get
in your face. He gonna man, you know he you know,
switting and talking and he just spit coming out of
his mouth. Bea up man. He gonna hurt some feelings
over there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
He's gonna hurt feelings on his team. Was like a
little bit like that. He's gonna hurt some feeling a
very minute level compared to him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
So you know that that's the reason for our good start,
I want to say, because it was just like a
he set the tone the culture. We're gonna be a
defensive team every night, no matter what the offense was
gonna be about. Because when you look, nobody had like
killer stats like you see today, like somebody averaging thirty.
You know, but we were just we we prided ourselves

(01:03:47):
on being a defensive team, and you know that's who
we were. And they just set the tone for like,
this is the culture we bring in. This is who
we are, This is our identity. You know, to win,
you got to have a certain type of identity. You know,
that was ours. You know, so when you look at
all championship teams, you could say, oh, that team was
that's what they was about.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Now how was Ray?

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Ray was cool? I mean, you know Ray had a
different type. Our personalities was all kind of different.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
I would say, like out of us three, Ray was
the most like I would like he was saying, he's
like more of like the philosopher of the three of us,
you know what I'm saying, the voice of more reason. Yeah,
you know, like if it was chaos, you know, he'll
be the calm. Yeah, you know, because there was a
lot of chaos on this team when you look at

(01:04:39):
the names, I mean, we had a lot of chaos.
He was mature, yeah, yeah, for sure. You know he
always said, you know, center this locker leg cross like professional. Yeah,
he's definitely the professional. Yeah, you know, and you know,
whenever his opinion came into play. He just was like,

(01:05:00):
this is what I feel. Uh, you know, not too
high and not too low. You know what I'm saying.
It's kind of more even.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Kill you need those guys.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Yeah, he was like to eat and kill guy most
of the time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
I mean, which kind of come spits off his game. Yeah,
that's what he That's how he plays. Even kill yeah,
even killing that corner guy. Now do you have a
relationship with Danny Ainge?

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Uh? Yeah, me and Daddy was cool. I hadn't talked
to him in a while though, but uh, we had
a good relationship. Actually, you know, we would talk in
the summertimes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Yeah, because I remember I came and I trained the
Celtics when I was rehabbing my knee, and this guy
would always like it was like he was competing with
me when he was talking to me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
I could be with you while he was talking.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Yeah, He's like, so what do you you know, what
do you guys do here? I'm like, just yeah, dude,
I'm just here to try to get my knee right, dude.
But you could just tell that he fucking low basketball.
He was always trying to think about what he could
do to make it better.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Yeah, that's just who he was. Man. Danny fought a
lot too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
He fought a lot, man.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
People got to go to YouTube and watch Danny ain'ts fights.
He was always getting into the fight.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Always scrappy, Yeah he was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
He was scrappy. People hated Danny, but he was scrappy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
So was with KG. Was there ever a time that
you had to settle him down? Like he almost like
beat up another guy?

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Man? Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Man, it was Why did you see it?

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
We was on the plane, we had a team meeting,
you know what, And this is the next year. KG
was hurt this year, so this is the year after
we won the championship. Man. At some point it was
like a disconnect between the older guys and the younger
guys on the team. And then I remember Kendrick Perkins
has said something, Man, all I know we always on

(01:06:56):
the plane, all the coaches was on the bus because
we was always kind of clear the air. And Perk
says something that turned on another switch of evil to KG.
And I'm sitting here, say, Perk is right there, and
Kevin is walking over to get in his face, and
I thought he was gonna kill Perk, like for real,

(01:07:20):
kill him, un alive him, Like I saw it in
his eyes and it was just the most intense moment
that we had to like get in between him and
I never and I've been around KG for a minute,
and I'm like, I've never seen this look. I thought
he was really gonna kill Perk over with his bare

(01:07:42):
hands because you saw, like, you know, Kevin was heard
and going through it because he couldn't play right now.
And then Perk. I forget what he exactly said, but
it was something that was like shouldn't have been said,
and he was he would he would have unlived them,
like if we didn't jump in the middle of that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
You know, and that happens between the brothers. Yeah, that happens.
People don't realize we all tried to fight each other
every once in a while. Man, don't try to make
anything crazy out of that. Everyone out there. Shit happens
all the time, trying to fight each other's teammates. That's
what makes team good. Bro. My money be on K
versus a Bear anything man by a zillion, by a zillion.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
My momay's always on a man's intensity that high that
that he yelled and it was in his face, was
yelling like oh like I mean Vane started coming out
and started sweating, We're gonna killed almost hold on, we
gotta we gotta get off the plane. Yah, yeah, it was.
It was intense.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Oh what's Doc saying? When this has all happened?

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
He was all all the coaches, well, this was our
team meeting on the plane. Players all, yeah, this was
players only.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
This happen, Yeah, this happens.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Do you guys ever have those jewels we had? Players
only means yeah, players, players only is like, that's bad.
That's not good. When players only mean, it's being called.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
You gotta you gotta like because you gotta air off
some stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
That means ship is not going well. So ship wasn't
going well on this plane flight probably got their ass
kicked the night before, KG wasn't playing. Perk probably bumped
up and said, hey man, you ain't playing bro, and
the KG wanted to kill him. That's exactly what happens.
And a players only meaning, yeah, okay, you might end
up on the no fly list.

Speaker 5 (01:09:28):
How does the players mean to get called It's like
a captain's like players on the meaning or like what
what goes down with.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
That, Paul, How did your get I think it's just
it's like, man, we all need to holler. Let's all
come from somebody. Yeah, you know, I don't call some
player means like, man, let's chop it because you you
can't call you just can't like players meeting means this
is serious. You know what I'm saying. You ain't gonna
just call a player's meeting.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
There's going to be certain guys to call players. Some
guys could call it right, you can't be you can't
be any just slam Jick, Joe and Harry fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Like shut up, like right right. Yeah, So this was
a much needed meeting and it was something I had
to do with the disconnect. It was you know what
this meeting was about though, This was about some like
kind of like off the court type of issues. Yeah,
was like some of some of the sometimes most of
the time it's on the fourth quarter on the field issues.

(01:10:24):
This was about some off the court issues. Actually, you
know that I can't really really get into but you know,
but we.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
All have them. But we all have we all have them. Right,
How was you young? Rondo? Was he quiet? He seems
quiet and just kind of like always just dishing you
guys the ball just.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
To yeah Rondo, Yeah he quiet, but he will yell. Yeah,
Rondo is fiery though. Rondo is spicy and you wouldn't
even know he got some spice to him. He went
to KG University low key yeah, like for real. We
always say that, how do you get accepted to that university?

(01:11:01):
I mean you know what he pulled pull He pulled
him under his wing and he went to kJ University.
So he got a lot of that in him too,
just on the low keymore side, like a lot behind
closed doors. Yeah, oh, man, telling you mindo is a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
How was my dog? Sam Cassell?

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Sound good? That's my man, me saying that was my
that was my you know, that was my roadie. So
like we go on the road, me and him out.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Oh take us to this. I can only imagine Sam
used to kick it back in the day out here
in l A. You'd be going to the bungalow and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Yeah, that's my man.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Well get Sam is awesome, dude, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
That's my that was my roadie. If we're just gonna
do something that's gonna be in me and him, we'll
go out to the restaurant. Lounge or some cigar.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
So who's in the roadies? If you have a roadie
on the team, Yeah, who's your who are your roadies?

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Sound was my ROADI Uh, Tony Allen was my roady.
It was made of the older guys, so older like
Rondo and them. They had they you know, they little crew,
Rondo and Perk and went out and they did their
things together.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
They you know, asked for cold tea at the Chinese restaurant.
Remember was that one restaurant we all used to go
to after the club. Yeah, uh, you ask for cold tea,
they give you beer after two Downtown, right, Yeah, you
know I'm not talking about you're talking about. I used
to see Big Baby in there all the time taking
down hell of mother freaking dim sums. I saw the

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dude eating some dim some one night. I was like,
big dude, Yeah, oh man, that's funny. Best road cities
the best road city. Yeah, I think for me, Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
No, I'm gonna say.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Toronto, Toronto.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
I love Toronto. I didn't feel like it was like
because I just felt like when you went to Toronto,
he went to Canada. You didn't feel like you had
to look over your shoulder for nothing. Like, you know,
people wasn't robbing people in some of these big cities.
They ain't looking for athletes looking. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
You guys can't hide.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Yeah, So like Toronto was different. You didn't never have
that feeling there. And then the culture is a lot different.
It's all races and they got great food. Yeah, and nobody.
It just it just felt safe.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
I love Toronto.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
It was on the water. It was pretty, especially uh
in the springtime.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Oh Toronto.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Yeah, I like Toronto.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
We'll be right back after this quick break. All right,
let's jump into the game, Jackie.

Speaker 6 (01:13:45):
Leading up to this one set in the stage Celtics
with a one seed, Cleveland was the four seed. The
Seeds were just coming off a tough, tough series with Atlanta.
Paul and young Alhor were going back and forth a
little join in that one, but went to seven games,
but tough up the seas for this this Cleveland series.
Cleveland b Washington four to two to get us up

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to game seven. Here, the season went up to nothing.
Cleveland responded, tied it to to season went up three
to two, couldn't close it out on the road back
in Cleveland, forces the game seven, which brings us to, uh,
the game we are here to talk about today, and
a little bit on the star power in the building
before we get it going. Vince will Ford court side,

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Kevin Fault court side, Randy Moss court side, Tom.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Brady, Tom Brady not a bad for star power later on.
Keep that in mind. This thing is stars do it.

Speaker 6 (01:14:37):
And another stat of note, the Celtics were undefeated at
home in the playoffs seven and zero.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Meanwhile the Calves oho and five in Boston, five in Boston.

Speaker 6 (01:14:48):
So just a little something to uh keeping keep in
mind this was the one of the lowest scoring series
in NBA history.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
I mean, just.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
Grind it out, and that was apparent from the start
of this game.

Speaker 6 (01:14:59):
The first quarter, physical, low scoring, Paul's getting going, puts
on a clinical first quarter. Lebron a little slow to
get started, gets going in the second, but the Seas
are kind of all first half, maintaining that ten plus
point lead. Never could break it open, never really like
kind of at five to seven to twelve, like back
and forth. Cleveland was shooting thirty three percent midway through

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the second, but still hanging around with a you don't
be down five or seven. And when you got a
guy like Lebron, that's nothing gets us to halftime. Paul
gets a little banged up before the hat. No wheelchair though,
no wheelchair, no wheelchair needed falls on the camera, man, hits.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
I mean I swear like Paul and Paul you used
to fall, so sometimes I'd be like, man, you fall
so ugly sometimes, Bro, every time you fall, I'm like,
I get like you get You're gonna bruise your tailbow
and you fall straight on your butt real.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Yeah, come on, man, protect your still filling those falls.
My elbows are cooked.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
I used to have these what they call them Burson
versus Sietists versus societies and both my what a like?
And you went eleven for twelve on free throw which
is crazy that the line was big when teams in it,
which you don't see your guys. I don't see guys
doing that anymore as much. What is your mindset going
into a game, going into it?

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
It depends on what they all?

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Right, what's your mindset going into this game?

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Man? My whole mindset was like, Man, I remember riding.
I was like, man, we want we the favorite you
know what I'm saying. We the favorite to come out
of the East, were in the second round, and now
we're playing in a game to where if we lose,
this could be one of the biggest, most disappointing seasons
ever in the history. And I'm like, there's no way

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I'm going home today, Like I don't care, Like I
was just there's no way I'm going home today. So
I came out there like that's not happening. So I
just tried to set the tone. I was just like
that was just my mossul. I got to the arena,
like the game was at like seven or eight. I
got to the arena that day at like three o'clock.
It wasn't nobody there, and I just had my mind

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made up. You shooting, Yeah, I was shooting. I was
getting there early just because like once we get to
a game seven, you already know how a team gonna play. You,
you know, you know everything about them, and so I'm
already knowing what kind of holes and gaps I'm gonna
get and where I could score at Like you've like
they've thrown everything at you, so now you figured it out.

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And so I just was like going over what I
was gonna do for the game and the shots I
was gonna get and the shots they was gonna give me,
and I was just gonna be aggressive with them. And
you know, I came out aggressive getting to those spots
and I was just like, ain't no way we're going
home today, And I tried to set the tone.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
You know, that Game seven reminds me of like a
fourth quarter for us in an elimination game. Yeah, because
like what you just said, we kind of know how
the game has been declared. Yeah, you know what they're doing.
We know what we can do to beat that. We
have to Actually, it's all about execution at that point.

(01:18:07):
Who's gonna shoot that?

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Right? You're right.

Speaker 6 (01:18:08):
It's like a forty eight minute fourth quarter. It's forty
eight minute fourth quarter, that's what it is. Yeah, there's
no Yeah, there's no secrets.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Ring with the smoke in the building. Oh my god.

Speaker 6 (01:18:20):
The old first half is looked like the oldt No,
that was the uh pyrotechnic.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
No, you know, our introduction was doing the fire and
all of that. Yeah, they didn't have the relations system
wasn't that good still, you know, so they they barred
us from doing that. The following year though, because it
was always smoky before the games.

Speaker 6 (01:18:42):
Always Mike Briton had to get on They teleg's like,
nothing's wrong with your TV sports fans.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Crazy crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:18:49):
At the half we get to the half, Paul takes
that nasty fall, but it's all right. Hurts a thigh
a little bit. But at the half Paul and Lebron
both have over half their team's points. Paul's got twenty
six x Lebron with twenty three. The Seas are up
fifty to fortieth half feeling good.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Up ten.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Damn, I didn't realize it. So six out of half?
What do you? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
You you were you were killing You had like seventeen
in the first quarter, isn't you or something pouring it
in sixteen?

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Yeah? That was my That was That was like, look,
I want to set the tone like, no, this ain't happening.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
You love that little corner spot right by the top
of the the free throw, don't you the elbow? Elbow? Elbow?

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
The elbow spot because you you and Lebron went back
and forth like three different times and you shimmied them twice.
The hit that elbow, like right in that elbow area. Yes,
that was my spot, that was your spot.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Yeah. If I can get there, I can get a
good shot off always, but they have to respect me
driving all the way, so they backing up, backing up.
Once I get right there, I'm comfortable taking that shot.
That was like my go to shots. See, that's what
the players today like. They don't really have go to
shots like I could go to this because a lot
of my game winners was those shots right there at

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the elbow because I knew that's where I want to get.
But if you get all that, get all the way
up on me, I'll go I'll go right by you. Yeah,
And so I'll always set it up like I'm driving. Though.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Now you guys are battling. You guys have three minutes
to go, and they start catching up. What are you
feeling in the final three minutes of that game when
like you guys are going back, they were kind of
creeping on you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Yeah. But the good thing we had close games during
the year, so we didn't panic.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Yeah, you see, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
You don't panic. So we like we knew how we
want to execute. We knew who the ball, who's hands
is gonna be in between me Kevin down the stretch.
You know, we knew what we wanted to do. Uh.
And that's the beauty when you on these good, great teams.
You know what the end of the game looks like

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already you know what I'm saying. And it's just like,
no panic. We in a time out. We're like, all right,
we're gonna do this. We didn't been here before in
the close games. We know what we do in close games. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
And so were you in the zone?

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
I was in the zone for sure, because, like I
when anyone plays organized basketball, there's one time in your
life where you're in the zone. I remember once I
think of a sophomore year Woodside High School. We were
playing at Jefferson. I had like six threes. I had
a couple of jumpers I couldn't miss. Yeah that was

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in high school. You're in the zone in the NBA
right here? Was that? Were you in the zone?

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Yeah? For sure?

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
How many times have you been in the zone.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
I've been in the zone a lot, a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
But yeah, are you just a zoner?

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
No? I mean, man, I've been in the zone a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Like do you know when you're in the zone, you
feel it you're like, I can't miss.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Yeah, you know, when you're in the zone, it's so surreal.
Sometimes it is. It's surreal because even after this game,
I went home and.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
You shot like you're remote into like the basket and
you got like a donut and you threw it over
my shoulder and it just went in. I'm telling you, guys,
some of you guys, you guys shoot so goddamn good.
Probably I think about that when I shoot trashing, I go, man,
like Paul Pierce is like these pro basketball players could

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probably shoot this from anywhere in the house. Probably, so
some of us, Yeah, that's a talent.

Speaker 5 (01:22:32):
Is there any rhyme or reason of how you like
get into the zone? Notice any trends or patterns?

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
No, it's unexplainable. It's like you don't even know, because
if you can put yourself in the zone, you do
it every night. But be Michael Jordan's you know, like
it's certain type of zones, like it's good. It's like
like like I could have a good game and not
be in the zone. You know, I don't know how
to explain it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
No, that makes sense, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
You know, it's just like you have a certain rhythm
and then it's just like okay, and then they they
it's just like you're getting forced fed the.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Ball now and everything slows down.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Everything slows down, and you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Know you predict the opponent's defensive matchup because I've been
in the zone and route running uh huh, And it's
kind of like how you guys got, except I'm not scoring.
I had to catch, yeah, But I just remember like
all my routes would marry up to each other, like
I'd hit them with the under and then I'd set
up the under with the then I'd get him on
a bowl and then I you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
It's just like everything that you you want to do
is is doing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's the zone. That's the zone
for sure. Like I've had a few good playoff moments
while I was in the zone that when that was
one of them. But it's like, I don't know, man,
it's like you're in a matrix or something, mate, right,
and it's.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
The best feeling. Though. Yeah, you don't want to jinxon
when you're in it, right or where you just going
like you you're just going.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
There's nothing nobody else can do. It's like, but it
won't last. All games won't last, you know what I'm saying.
It might, but it's gonna be for like a good stretch,
say like a five or six minute stretch. It's crazy.
I've actually had probably like two games where it lasted
the whole game, which games so uh. One game was

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the close out game versus Philadelphia in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
It was the whole game, whole game.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
It was unreal. And then Indiana. We played Indiana in
the playoffs, it lasted like well, it went for a
whole quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
A whole quarter. That's a huge chunk.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
I'd say that is a huge tun Actually it went
for a whole quarter because I was as cold as
ice in the first half, and then the third quarter.
It was just unreal.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Part like the Red Sea. Yeah, putting it in it
was like even.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Our announcers was like, this is unbelievable. It was like
so like when I rewatched, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
Like, yeah, I was NBA games on fire.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Yeah yeah, it was Indiana third quarter. And then there
was the Philadelphia game five. Oh, that was the whole game.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
That was that game you had forty six?

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
No, yeah, I was like the whole game. I couldn't.
It was just like crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
What is What is it about your clutchness? How come
you performed so high and when your team needs it
the most. Did you train that way? Is it just
something in you? I think it's it's a mindset, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
You know, because I didn't care about failing, and I
kept the confidence of the team when I did fail.
So like any games, like I'm you know, I don't
win the game or something, it was tricky. I was tricky,
but I go in the locker room, don'torry about it.
I'm gonna get the next one. Don't worry about it.
You know. I owe y'all that one.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Where some guys they head down like you know, probably
sometimes it's just they in a funk. I was never
in that funk. You know. It's just I always want
them to know I'm gonna get the next one, don't worry.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
I had to. They had to be confident in me,
even when I failed to be confident in me when
I did help us get over the top.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Real self confidence. Not that fault. Because there's always a
false hype guy at practice when there's a shitty game
and someone's trying to be falsely enthusiastic and stuff. When
you know it's false. You know what I'm talking about
false shit, but it's got to be real. It's the
real self confidence.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Yeah for sure. So but that's it. I wasn't afraid
to fail. When I failed, I didn't care. I was like,
I'll get the next one.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Put a bow on this thing and down the stretch.

Speaker 6 (01:26:38):
Not only was Paul in the zone, but made a
big old clutch hustle play to get the ball off
the loose ball to.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Tip the tip off the jump.

Speaker 6 (01:26:45):
All there called time out, got to see his possession
with just a minute left, and then we got to
give a little shine to PJ. Brown for hitting that
clutch elbow jumper to put us back up three with
just under a minute left. And then Paul hit touch
free throws to ice it at the end, and Red
gave that little one a little kiss in off the
back iron and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Throws to every time you feel I feel like when
you shoot your free throw and watching you, you look
like you're like you feel like it's gonna You're like
if to guide it in, Like when I bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
I got a guy that look like that, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
That's what it is. I see you sliding back.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
I'm guided is That's exactly what it is. I do that.
I do that a lot when I shoot, too, because
I lean to one side or something. And Kevin used
to always make fun of that, you shooting slide bro,
this it too. I do it. I didn't know that.
I never noticed it until I actually when somebody brought

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to my attention, I was like, damn, why do I
do that. It's like an out of outer body thing
that I don't notice that I do it. That's what
it is, though, you know that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Yeah, yeah, not shooting, I can't shoot, but bowling maybe
right again.

Speaker 6 (01:28:02):
Seeds would take this thing ninety seven ninety two. This
would become Paul's second highest scoring performance in his playoff career.
We talked about that forty six er against the Philly
uh Celtics would get back to the Eastern Conference his
pants that was in the finals, wheelchair Meat. Uh SE's
got back to the Eastern Conference finals for the first

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time since two thousand and two, uh and would only
end up losing one game at home in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
Crazy Yeah to Detroit.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Yeah, old Detroit. We ripped, Yeah Rip Rip Chauncey. Those
were some fun teams, those old Detroit teams. The Wallace's.

Speaker 6 (01:28:42):
Yeah, and then after Detroit, we all know what happened.
Banner seventeen byby Banner seven, Team Paul would go on
to the NBA Finals.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
MVP MVP.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
That for Ray was incredible, unreal, explained the prey to us.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Man. Yeah, did y'all going doing the same? How did
y'all do? Y'all? We did it like three two two,
Like I'm saying that y'all going duck boats? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
Well I think everyone in Boston does duck boats.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Yeah. Yeah, that was insane.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
That's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
How insane was it? I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
It's just a sea of people and I just remember
beers being thrown at us at all angles. No, they
was throwing U shots, those little shots, jaggers whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
On the boat.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
I mean it was The parades are are the best?

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Yeah? Man, Wait, how many parades you did?

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Three?

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Damn three parades?

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
Tom did? How about Tom doing seven?

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Seven parades? That's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
Hell, that's fucking crazy. And Bill Russell did six or eight?

Speaker 4 (01:29:56):
Ten?

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
He had ten championships. Yeah, that's crazy, bro, that's crazy.
That's like, is that the icing on the cake for
when the end of the season is when you go
to the prayers and when you go to Vegas with
the boys after the pread.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Man, it's all summer. Really, it's all summer until the
next year start. Just you know what I'm saying to
the world, Yeah, you're just traveling and it's hard to
calm down.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
It's hard hard to calm down. You know, what was
the biggest bill you guys had to pay for on
one of the team partying events in a certain city.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Well, I'll say, I don't know. I know for me,
for just me, I had a twenty kbill.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
And just put in perspective, this is two thousand and eight, guys,
so all you look chick your heads out there going
to the club spending twenty racks in a weekend. Now,
all those are only probably what like two hundred bucks?

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Then, man, this was like, man, I looked like that
was the biggest bill I ever put up. I just
kept getting, like champagne bottles, but just kept getting them,
just kept wanting them to come across some of things.

Speaker 6 (01:31:06):
I just kid all night, champagne campaign maybe, oh my, yes,
it was like twenty I was like, damn.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
It, what's the legacy of this game? You guys? The
first real Big Three team, which I like to say
Big four because Rondo was a fucking monster in this
little thing. But first Big three team against phenom king guy.
What is the legacy of this?

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
This, I mean, this is the legacy of this is
like one of the great NBA games of all time. Now,
you know that wasn't a finals game because it was
you know, a young Lebron who was and many people
considered the greatest basketball player to ever play, a young

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player who was carrying his teams to heights that they
shouldn't have been even going to. And it was just
a battle of wheels the two stars of their team,
and it was a game. It was a win or
go home situation. And you know, this wasn't the game

(01:32:16):
that sent them to Miami, but it was. It put
something on his mind because when we did it again
a couple of years later, he had enough.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
He had enough enough. You can't beat him. You join them,
you go get your own Big three. Let's name the
game and then score the game. Is this the greatest
game of all time? Let's score These are some of
the names of the game that we came up with, Paul,
But if you have a name that you want to
call this game. We got to give this game a

(01:32:48):
specific name. We came up with the Truth Prevails. You
can't handle the Truth game, Get the ball to Paul game.
This one's for game to shootout in the garden or
anything else that comes to your mind. What do you
want to name this game?

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
I can go where you can't handle the truth? Love it?

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
You can't handle the truth?

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Yeah? I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
How many times did you watch that scene between Jack
Nicholson and we used to play it?

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
I remember, you know they'll put it in during the
time out.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
Does that that was your thing?

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Oh? That gave me chills every time every time they
played that scene. Chills.

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
You ever meet Jack Nilson?

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
Yeah? I used to go shake his hand a lot
when we played the Lakers, like, what's up Jack, He's cool.
The best time they played it, though, is when we
were playing Philly, because you know, Elden Iverson was called
the answer. Yeah, and then when they was like you
want answers, I want the truth. Oh that was cold
blooded when they did that. Hell yeah, I said. He

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looked up at it was like that was cold Its
cool too.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
Let's score the game. He's just the greatest game of
all time. Let's score it stakes. Zero to ten decimals encouraged, Paul,
the stakes of this game, seven semi final game on
the scale of one to two, one to ten, ten
being the highest of all time. And I'm gonna say
an eight, very integrity type score.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Was it was? It was.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
It was second round, second round. It's a man of integrity.
I'm gonna go with a seven point eight seven eight.
I go nine to one nine winner, go home, baby, winner,
go home, go home. Star power. I mean, you got
kid KG, you got the truth, Lebron, you got Lebron,

(01:34:44):
you got ray Allen, Jon Rondo, you got Rondi Jones
Celtics jersey, you got Will Ford in a Celtics jersey.
I mean the star power was a ten ten Yeah. Uh,
I'm gonna have to go with the nine point two. Yeah.
We had, you know, we have the big, all right

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gameplay of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
This thing.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
You know, what you think the gameplay was for the
viewer or what you think for you as a basketball player.
Zero to ten decimals encouraged, all right, nine point seven,
nine point seven defensive battle, back and forth. I'm gonna
go with it was just it was just that it
was gritty it. It was greedy. I like basketball when

(01:35:32):
it was under one hundred points.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
It was gritty.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
You know this is this was gretty. I'm gonna go
with the nine and then the name of the game
that you can't handle eight point four. You can't handle
the truth game. You gotta you gotta, you gotta score
the name of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Oh, you can't handle the truth. Oh yeah, that's a
that's a ten point one, A ten.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
Point one, our first ten point one. Let's go baby,
that's our first point one. Courage Wow, I mean it's
a great God damn, it's a it's a nine, a
great one.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
What did I go?

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
I went eight? Oh okay, I got I went low.
I went for your points. I'm gonna go up.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
That was before we named it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
I'm gonna go five. Yeah, I gotta go up to
I don't leave it five five. Wow, we only went
up a lot, really went up a lot. Where does
this put us in the grand scheme all the game?
Nice high score, that's a high deservedly so puts us
hold on that puts us Oh my god, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
Our new.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
Fourth game. It's just below.

Speaker 5 (01:36:47):
It's just below the twenty eleven eighteen Championship game Ravens
versus Patriots and just above the statue of Liberty game
two thousand and seven Fiesta Bowl Bois State for.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
So remember that what's what? Which?

Speaker 6 (01:36:56):
Guy?

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
Remember that Boise State game when Adrian Peterson were the
kids did they did the Boise State versus Oklahoma. He
did the statue Liberty and they won and the kid
proposed his girl, his cheerleader girlfriend after the game, Little.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
Disney, Dann, y'all got all just all sports, huh, all
sports go to the top. What about I know y'all
have to have that Texas USC game here.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
We had our number one we want to do We're
trying to get Vincent to come. We want Vince Young
to do it. We got that's like we had Reggie,
we had Matt Lioner.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
That game was and that Florida State National championship with.

Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
Auburn that was here Auburn. Yes, we had Burt Krescher
on to.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
Do that game.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
That game was unreal. He returned mushroom that he didn't
even go to the games get enough credit. It was
incredible gameplay. But there's no like lasting. There's no lasting
names that game. Yeah, that's James Jameis Winston was lanes man.

Speaker 6 (01:37:49):
Damn man, you're right, well, we gotta do the Texas USCA.

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
That was one of the best games of ever, ever, ever.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
The most memorable games. Damn. I just that's those National
Championship games be coming to mind. I mean, y'all game
versus Atlanta, that's our number one. That has to be
number one all time.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
I don't think I think the AFC Championship game between
the Chiefs Patriots was better because that was like the
passing of the torch from Tom to the Dynasties. That
was it overtime, overtime first, you know what I mean.
It was on the road. That was a crazy game.

(01:38:35):
It's not like biased or anything with Patriots and even
the top three Patriots not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
That game was all real because I remember we was
we was getting off the plane. It was in Toronto.
We actually landed in Toronto. Because when we landed, uh,
the score was twenty eight to three. It was like, damn.
And then we started watching it in the lobby. We
watched it in the lobby at the hotel. I'll never
forget it. We watched the hotel. We didn't move me
and Sam was right there the whole time, like, damn,

(01:39:03):
what the hell is going on? That was crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
So basically because of the Truth watching the game was
Sam Cassell in the lobby. It gave us the good
luck to come back we need. And when which game was.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
That where you caught that ridiculous That was probably the
me I think you made the greatest catch of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
That was in that game?

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
That game, right, that was that was that game? That's
what I thought. That was the greatest catch ever. That
was a crazy I know how you caught that ball, dude?
How did you catch that?

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
Keep your eye on the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
You couldn't see the ball, dude, You keep your eyes
couldn't see the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:39:38):
Your eyes will always bring your hands to the ball
somewhere out there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
That was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
Paul, we missed anything for this game?

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
No, I think we covered it man. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
Everyone, go check out The Truth after Dark Paul's podcast,
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(01:40:12):
on Instagram and Paul Pierce thirty four on Twitter. Paul,
thank you so much, Brood to see your game with
my dog. We'll be right back after this quick break.

Speaker 6 (01:40:26):
Freaking Paul, the truth, baby, you can't handle the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
I was in the zone for like the whole game,
not not Chief, I'm in the zone.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
That was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
He feels just like a brother, he really. I mean,
you guys go way back, and fortunately we do. Fortunately
we do. As soon as he leaves the house, he
goes No, dude's hazard citizen incitation? Bro have you told
that story on the show before? I think we've all
told the story of a thousand times. And because of

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Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
Fell mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:41:23):
I almost asked him if he was rooting for the
Raiders in the two thousand and one Patriots race around.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
You should have.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
I would have if I if I thought of it
next time. Didn't think of it though, Good Pelicans joked
Pelicans from the top rope out for a second, You're like,
I don't think they got any banners, and he retired jerseys.
They had Braden Ingram for a minute, him b d
on the same A Y M C A bro crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:41:56):
I gotta be honest as a an East Bay attic
in a self proclaimed ball ner, I totally forgot case
wisted basketball shoes.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
I think I totally forgot. I honestly think I had
a pair of them.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
I had.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
I bought two pair of from East By. I bought
the pair of the black Iversons where they were the
all black Mids. Yes, it was like like the rebox. Yeah,
but it wasn't the answers. Yeah, Everson had a different one.
Yeah questions I.

Speaker 4 (01:42:28):
Like that. Nah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
Actually I did not have a pair of those. It
wasn't like it's the it's the I had a pair
of the classic white that was Sketchers. It's the s
see those right there the left to your left. I've
had a pair of those. Those were like, oh yeah,
when I was a kid, those.

Speaker 6 (01:42:43):
Were like there answered like the like a Stan Smith
type joint kind of Wow. We've had a couple of
Sketches references this episode. Shout out, dude, so what are
we doing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
To say something?

Speaker 5 (01:42:56):
And maybe I'm getting older, but I went on vacation
recently and I bought new used for vacation, got some sketches.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
You got your.

Speaker 5 (01:43:02):
Sketchers very tight, like they slip on, but they look
like they're real shoes and their comfy.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
Wow. Yeah, I'm pro sketcher.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
I mean Howie is a huge sketcher. How you got
influenced by how we gotta do it? We're a rebox show.
Oh yeah, true, I'm a rebox guy.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
Maybe I'll get a rebot guy. You should? You should, Bro,
You and Danny Wood had had it?

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
What do you?

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
Danny Wood had a Sketchers deal? What back in the day?
And look at Oh my god, dude, So did Rick Fox?
Remember Rick Fox had Fox? Maybe Kim Kardashianki company Kai
or my Sketchers next show, let's see him. I can't
wait to see these bad boys. And I was stomping
all over Europe. Uh huh wow doing twenty steps today

(01:43:45):
twenty k yeah in Parish in sketchers. Wow, I like that.
Nice and warm them over there right now?

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
Hot?

Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
Was it hot? No? We got perfect weather, did you. Yeah,
it's hot in Italy. Hot yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Yeah, Rome.

Speaker 1 (01:44:07):
Hot, hot in Florence. And they're not like set up
for the heat either, like you. We went to the
we went to this the water is it was it
was still hot, but it was hot. Yeah, but you're
near water. Yeah, all right, your old boys, let's go.
What do we got? Let's get into this back.

Speaker 6 (01:44:24):
This is this is a little NFL preseason edition of
a little segment we like to call Jack Asks. It's good,
say hey, what's It's a real uh real j Leno
type title to this one.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
It's like that's a little Andy Cohen. Come on.

Speaker 6 (01:44:49):
But this is a preseason edition where I'll put you
on the the lukewarm seat. We'll say, uh, definitely not hot.
Ask you some some questions that kind of make you
think for a minute. And these are all the NFL
preseason season outlook type type theme. How do you like that, Jules,
I'll pepper and matcha you bring it back at me.
We'll move on rapid fire ish. Ready are you ready

(01:45:12):
to enter into the the Jack Ask zone?

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
Jacks Asks, You're ready to enter Jackson.

Speaker 6 (01:45:18):
Oh god, cut cut, cut pause, geez Luise, Sorry, I.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
Really set myself up for that one.

Speaker 6 (01:45:24):
Anyways, who ready, who's an athlete that deserves a statue?
I'll rephrase this, who's an athlete that doesn't yet have
a statue but deserves one.

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
I don't know many athletes that have statues. Tom. Do
you like Tom statue? I like Tom statue. That's good,
it's safe, but it's good. You can suck up a statue.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
They didn't. I don't know how.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
People mess up statues so much that.

Speaker 6 (01:45:58):
It looks weird.

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
We're so I know what. I don't get those? Is
it hard to do with the bronze faces? This is hard.
I mean I've seen stuff that like ancient Aztec Miyans
sculpted it out of granite that looked just like the
indigenous people. We can't get someone to do Tom Brady's

(01:46:21):
beautiful easily. They nailed Tom's face. The face was that
they they went thin face. Yeah, with thin face, I
think there's a little pressure, oh on a little bit.
Oh yeah, what if they put on young Brady when
he had chubby face like the stuff. Oh my god,
he was so mad. The one thing I would. I
think the statue is cool. I think they did a

(01:46:42):
good job.

Speaker 5 (01:46:42):
The one thing I would have liked it to be
is from a specific moment, like not just oh, here
is the embodiment of Tom Brady as opposed to like
he used to do that?

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
Though I think did he just like I think I.

Speaker 5 (01:46:56):
Thought it'd been cool if he was doing the let's
go Tom and he was facing the stadium, so he's
like running in sick.

Speaker 1 (01:47:04):
Yeah, who's who has his statue? Who doesn't Terry? Uh,
Terry should have a statue. If he doesn't have a statue,
she's got it. I don't think he does, Bill, Bill
Russell does. Yeah, because Belichick are they only a Belichick
a statue? He deserves one. I wonder what would you

(01:47:27):
do with him just with his arms crossed, like just
scowling next to Tom in a hood like.

Speaker 6 (01:47:31):
A way, like, yeah, because he has the one outside
of Levi's with Dwight Clark.

Speaker 1 (01:47:35):
Where does didn't the distance apart as the catch? Yeah,
that's a great Like Jordan has a statue? Yeah, probably
like ten.

Speaker 6 (01:47:43):
Jordan's got a great one outside the United Center.

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
There, Bill, Yeah, Bill Russell doesn't have one. Larry Bird
no many statues. Bill Russell does, but it's over there
in the City Hall plaza. Larry Bird needs one in Boston.
That's probably a good answer. Yeah, Larry Bird. The Bobby
Or statue is an incredible statue. That is a pretty
good statue in that moment, because Larry's got one back

(01:48:06):
at Indiana State, but need one outside.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Of the ark.

Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
Larry needs one in Boston. Yeah, Larry knows you know
who else needs one? I feel like Big Boppy, Big
Poppy does. He's got a street named after him, now
that's true. Is it called Big Poppy Street? It's called
David ortiz Way Street. I would what would Big Poppy
want the street name to be called? This is my
fucking this is fucking what's the street?

Speaker 6 (01:48:33):
Or maybe call it what's that stuff? He was sipping on?
What's the fuck the crap? I wish I had it
on my recalls.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
Terrible right now, Dominican liquor? Was he talking Mama Mama
Wan Mama Wana Avenue? Definitely? Okay, So Larry Bird, Larry
bir Larry Bird in Boston, not the Indiana State and
then Bill in you know, five years. Yeah, I mean

(01:49:01):
he's an athlete though, he's a coach.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
I mean, be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
I mean, you played lacrosse.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
It was then.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
No shade here, but shade.

Speaker 6 (01:49:10):
If we're gonna give freaking Doug Peterson and Nick Foles
a statue, they right away, Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
They go right away for the Philly specially. I mean,
don't don't get me going. I was their first super Bowl.
You think that's so lame? Though, who's the who's the
Jeff Lori, who's the GM ownership of? I know it,
Jeff Lori. Do you think that he's a Boston guy
and they were about.

Speaker 5 (01:49:30):
To fire Peterson? Did you think that someone said in
that room? I mean, we did just get him a statue.
Do you think that factory even from none someone?

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
Maybe he thought about it. He's like, I'm okay, they
gave me a statue.

Speaker 4 (01:49:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:43):
I think Laurie probably like, man, we gave this guy
a statue. And he's like, damn, like we could we
could sat on who's saying this thing?

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
And just.

Speaker 1 (01:49:53):
It isn't it's on the table a statue? Did a statue?

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
He did?

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
That thing came down though, isn't it?

Speaker 6 (01:50:02):
And get some shy there's all these Philly dirt bags
out there.

Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
I think that's their first super I think that's true
about that game. That statue is not about the individual, right,
It's about that like play. It's a statue commemorating the
play because like Nick falls in Philly Special, you know
that's agmite, but he doesn't hey o they yeah, I
mean that that Then you start having the conversation of

(01:50:31):
not who doesn't deserve a statue, but what's the premature
Like whenever when Saban had a statue while he was
the coach at Alabama, always thought that was a little weird.
Save's had a statue at Alabama, Yes, while he was
still there.

Speaker 5 (01:50:43):
Like college is different because like a part of it
is like recruiting for sure, that they need to play
that fucking game a little bit for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
But you know what I mean, just the the just
the notion of all of the Crypto dot com arena,
like they'd be like second team broadcasters that have statues there,
Oh my god, a little bit much.

Speaker 5 (01:51:02):
I mean there's some iconic people that played there that
deserve statues, but like, right, it's because one bom where's
the crypto here stables?

Speaker 1 (01:51:09):
Yeah, I mean they got Dustin Brown. I mean cool,
you want to cut through two cups, lamar odem. I mean,
come on, what are we doing out here? I'm just kidding.

Speaker 6 (01:51:16):
If you were on the Lakers and you want something, uh,
all right, the answer is Larry Bird.

Speaker 1 (01:51:21):
Pop or he doesn't have one, that's crazy. It's crazy
in Boston, Jules.

Speaker 6 (01:51:25):
Next up, If you were NFL commissioner for a day,
what is one rule you were changing or implementing?

Speaker 1 (01:51:32):
Ooh wow. If I have one rule that I get
to in forever or is it just that one game? No, forever.
I'm going straight old school kickoff, three man wedge. I
want the old I want to see just straight fireworks

(01:51:52):
by like new age dudes running full speed four four
two and twenty pounds blowing up a three hundred pound
wedge guy.

Speaker 6 (01:52:04):
I like this clanging and banging, baby, clanging.

Speaker 1 (01:52:07):
And banging, bring it back. I like that dynamic. It's cool. Yeah,
I mean it's safer and it's it's still it's still
an exciting play. But nothing was more exciting than seeing
a dude with long hair, because usually one of the
teamers had long hair going full speed like on the

(01:52:28):
beaches and normal knowing you're not going it's Nothing's gonna
Nothing good can happen of this. It's just you gotta
go blow him up. His job is literally you gotta
go to hit him hard. That's what I like. Oh
that would rock he you. I just want a little
special teams action.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
Do you have a question?

Speaker 1 (01:52:45):
Do you have a what would you do? Hmm?

Speaker 6 (01:52:48):
I like that when my mind didn't go there. I
know it would be bad for pace of play, but
review make everything challengeable. Everything, everything, Oh my god, everything, Jesus,
let's get it right. And I want cameras everywhere everything.
Let's come on cameras and all the pylons like Bill

(01:53:10):
always wanted. I know we're getting there already, but like
everything should be challenging, should be cameras. They were like, well,
we can't afford it, remember that was the excuse forever.
But I think everything challenge But what do you guys
think you got one?

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
Can't afford that's too much. You're coming from a good place.
I think with outcome would be bad. I'd want to
all these like what about the robot umpires? Are they
going to it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:35):
Year?

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
I think next year? And then they got the first
down robot and football this year, so what are they
gonna have behind there. What I think it's still gonna
be a person, right, Oh, it's still gonna be a person.
But he's just gonna press. I don't know, I gotta
look into that. Maybe he gets buzzed. No, I don't,
I don't know, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:53:53):
If I if I could do one thing, I would
look at these tiki Taki third down penalties that are
automatic driving extenders, the like tiki taki third and ten
holding for five yards, but the first down defensive holding
or some of these tiki taki offensive pass interference stuff. Yeah,
pull that back, because there's nothing worse than like defense
stopping you when there's some like little tug that's not

(01:54:14):
even a part of the play that just extends the
drive at least to score again.

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
Chas that I'd also yeah, i'd also uh with that.
I would I would allow picking ooh, like for man coverage.

Speaker 6 (01:54:26):
I like that spoken like a true receiver.

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
What about and then in that vein, do you what
are your thoughts on altering pass interference rules and going
more toward the college style penalty? Fifteen? Yeah? Fifteen? Is
it fifteen or ten? The thing is these dbs don't
give a fuck. If it's ten ten yards, don't do it, yeah,

(01:54:51):
because they're gonna say there's gonna be one time the
ref don't call it. Yeah, because Or if it's forty
yards down the field, Yeah, then you're like, I'll take
the fifteen rather than the forty.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
Yeah, I'm with I think you should do reverse spot
files on offensive passing of France. So if it's forty
yards down you lose.

Speaker 3 (01:55:05):
For still.

Speaker 1 (01:55:09):
Penalty a lot, I know, but still like statistically speaking,
it's like, oh, you.

Speaker 3 (01:55:14):
Know what I do?

Speaker 5 (01:55:15):
I would I would include wide receivers getting interceptions. What
do you mean as a stat So if it hits
if it's like a wildly catchable ball and it hits
your hands and it becomes intercepted, I don't think that
should go against the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
I think that should go against the receiver. Then we
got the dude in the box. It's like the hit
guy that like that's always yeah, yeah, how is that
a hit?

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:55:43):
They do that in hockey like crazy. Also, what do
you think about him going back to the bumping. I
just saw something that recently that who was it someone
was talking about I think it was Jared Allen.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
He was.

Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
He was lobbying for a sack, a half sack. Oh, yes,
that he is the official.

Speaker 5 (01:56:03):
He should be the all time sack or single season
sack leader, record record leader, No. Twenty two five, right, no,
because he claims that he had because he only has
twenty two. He claimed that he has twenty three. Because
there was a sack that would look like a sack,
but someone like fumbled it and picked whoever the quarterback
was fumbled it and picked it back up.

Speaker 1 (01:56:21):
And that's crazy. There's a lot riding on that one play. Yeah,
and they counted as a team sack and it was
against Aaron Rodgers, right, yeah, yeah, the phantom sack.

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
I remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
Yeah, I just saw that, mister three thousand argument. You
ever talked to chair down back in the day. My boy,
Aaron knows him very well. May May you should hit
him up. I would love to have him on. He
would be amazing, incredible. He's got Matt light vibes. Hall
of Famer, Hall of Famer rope. The rope I thought

(01:56:49):
he was. I said, yeah, I said on here that
he was doing magic out of that he was roping
the cow was so dumb. Oh, never like magic the
hat too. Yeah, broken the cow what you were talking
about when you said that he's he's an awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:57:01):
Dude's Hall of Famer. Shoutout, Hall of Famer, shutout, congrats.
All right, moving on, this is uh kind of segues
into our next question nicely. What is one trend in
today's sports world.

Speaker 1 (01:57:12):
That drives you nuts? Flopping in soccer? Yeah, is that
a trend now? But it's as relevant as ever. Yeah,
it's baked into the like well regardless, that bugs me.
It's hard to watch, but I guess it's strategic. They
try to get more time, rest, time, this, that, at time,

(01:57:33):
this that some dude comes on sprays them and then
they're miraculously great. I've never even seen that spray and
I play professional sport. What is the spray? What is
the spray? I know it's got some sort of healing powers,
though I don't know that. What What are other trends

(01:57:53):
in that same breath like that? What the real what
is the real breath it's supposed to be? And I
just completely bum Oh, you're right, that's no, that's totally it.
I hate foulbating in basketball. We're talking about SGA on
this episode. I think there's a decent bit of foubating
going on there. Oh and that drives me. I hate
when DB's give the shutdown sign on, like when the

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dude drops a ball or it's an overthrow, or if
it had nothing to do with him, we're giving neck throat.
No fly zone he's got. Everyone is celebrating everything. That's awesome.
It's so dB bro, it's so DD is awesome. I think, uh, next, bro, guy,

(01:58:41):
just drop the ball. He's mad. No another thing.

Speaker 6 (01:58:45):
I was gonna say that that Paul I was trying
to get in with Paul. I think everyone's a little
too buddy buddy these days. Two key key out there,
very key key. I don't like that, very key key.
I'm not saying I hate hate each other, but it's like, oh,
come on, like it's too much, don't you think, Yeah,
too key key.

Speaker 1 (01:59:03):
A little two key key. I'm always never key key.
No ask McAfee, I don't key key. I like that.
That's one of the many things I love about you.
It's just like we can when we're retired. Oh, we
don't have time for that.

Speaker 6 (01:59:14):
What Kyler said? What are some others that I love
about you? I said, We don't have time for that
as a full episode, right there, brother, Well, lowerd have
mercy an extended episode.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
Just what are you talking? Just listen to all your
good qualities? Yeah, Jack said, that's one of the things
I like about you is.

Speaker 6 (01:59:31):
That you don't like something that you don't key with
the other guys.

Speaker 1 (01:59:35):
What are some other things that you like about him?
How much time you got, brother, that's the really answer.

Speaker 2 (01:59:40):
I feel like it.

Speaker 5 (01:59:42):
Gets a little ref balie. I feel like, yeah, I
feel like refs get too involved too laden games and
they're not just letting players play and almost rather miscalls
than overcalls.

Speaker 1 (01:59:54):
Yeah, I mean I could like let the boys play energy.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (02:00:00):
Dip me up, dog, I'm with you. I got I
got one, I got a hot I got a hockey one.

Speaker 5 (02:00:05):
It's that there's a big variance between regular season officiating
and playoff officiating. And I think you I understand why
it's the way it is that it's pickI taking in
regular season and then like they swallow their whistles in
the playoffs. But I think because it's so different, a
team that's successful in the playoffs is not necessarily a
team that successful in the regular season advice versa. And

(02:00:27):
it's like, what are we even doing if it's two
different sports. In hockey, like regular season officiating is very
different from that's all officiating though, but it's it's like
extra in hockey. And there's even like some stats where
it's like.

Speaker 1 (02:00:38):
They have at every sport they swallow the whistle and
basketball they freaking swallow the whistle. In football they don't
call anything just because you should be doing it, but
just getting it a little bit closer to regular season.
I'm much more of a casual than you, but I
know what you mean. Yeah, man, all right.

Speaker 5 (02:01:00):
Let's go with Oh and I like, let's figure out
NL better and college teams stop like going to bullshit
conferences for money and like actually being in conferences.

Speaker 1 (02:01:10):
Oh, those trends are crazy. Yeah, I hate that's the one.
That's the one I hate.

Speaker 2 (02:01:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:01:13):
At the conference alignment, Oh don't you guys started?

Speaker 1 (02:01:16):
Did you guys see that the presentation the Virginia Tech
ad got leaked?

Speaker 5 (02:01:21):
Did the ad for Virginia Tech did a whole like
some twenty thirty slide PowerPoint presentation to hit their board
of directors about the state of college sports and nil
and conferences and what they need to be doing and
what they forecast is going to be the different tiers,
and like all the decks got leaked on Twitter. It
was like spot on, but it was essentially from Virginia
Tech's perspective was like, we need to spend way more

(02:01:42):
money because we're gonna get left.

Speaker 1 (02:01:44):
Out in the cold. Yeah, it sounds about Yeah, would
actually be interested in that. I'd like to for sire that.

Speaker 2 (02:01:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:01:49):
I mean it's crazy the spending words. Yeah, they're literally
privatizing universities. If you think about it, the sport hasn't
if you think about it, the sport has nothing to
do with the education anymore completely. A great. So now
you got West Virginia who's gonna spend more money on

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their football program that has nothing to do with their
fucking university and they're gonna so they can make more
money on the other end.

Speaker 5 (02:02:17):
What's crazy though, And that's crazy part of this part
of this president, You're just we're just licensed that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:22):
That's what they should say. These are pro teams that
are licensing college university names. That's that's an interesting angle
because they need to collect the bargaining agreement too, because
you can't have guys leaving twice a year.

Speaker 2 (02:02:34):
They need to like dial it in.

Speaker 5 (02:02:35):
This is probably the last year of the Wild Wall West,
so I bet it's coming. I suspect it's gonna get
fixed in something.

Speaker 1 (02:02:40):
Which let the boys go out and get get as
much money as you can until the rules come in.
The gold Rush this year, let's keep an eye on.
You got a little kids making eight million dollars, eight
million dollars, they're gonna come in in the league. Make
it more than their fucking coach. They don't need the money.

Speaker 5 (02:02:56):
A part of what that, like that leaked presentation had
was that success on the basketball court and the football
field has a direct revenue, a direct connection to revenue
of the college of a whole, and that when a
school goes out George Mason goes out and wins the
Final Four, goes to the Final Four, they get like
twenty five percent enrollment, which is X amount of dollars.

Speaker 1 (02:03:15):
When fucking this team goes.

Speaker 5 (02:03:17):
To there and does this thing like there definitely is
And they were saying that we should be thinking of
our athletic department budget as marketing for the school. And
if you look at the marketing that goes into a
Marvel movie. It's way less than an athletic department. If
you look at the marketing and a team going to
a high level league, persitioning has even better.

Speaker 1 (02:03:37):
Can they make in a year.

Speaker 5 (02:03:38):
Though, if they go to like the championships, it's not
even about the team making money. It's about Now I'm
saying George Mason, because there were a team out of
the blue that went to the Final four.

Speaker 1 (02:03:45):
Yeah, there's all the kids are gonna want to go there.

Speaker 5 (02:03:47):
Yes, kids go there, And now it's publicly in people's consciousness,
which is all marketing is, and that they have revenue
because of that. So it's like, because our team hasn't
been in a BCS Bowl or hasn't done shit in
the while, look at our numbers going down from an
enrollments perfective.

Speaker 1 (02:04:01):
I don't even like talking about college football anymore because
I I don't, I don't reckon, I don't know, I don't.
First off, I didn't experience like real crazy college football
like environment when it was like old crazy college football environment.
Now I.

Speaker 4 (02:04:16):
Have.

Speaker 1 (02:04:16):
I cannot relate to any of these guys.

Speaker 5 (02:04:18):
Lost the thing that made it special, which is like
the culture of it and like the rivalries and like
I went there because I went this.

Speaker 1 (02:04:25):
This robberies this and this pretty cool scene. Ohio State
come out here. Yeah, it's cool. It'll be cool for
five years, and then it's gonna be like, why the
fuck isn't U c l A.

Speaker 2 (02:04:33):
Bay.

Speaker 1 (02:04:34):
Then there's gonna be one major conference that could be
one league, it's.

Speaker 5 (02:04:37):
Gonna be two. It's probably gonna be two. It's gonna
be the Big ten in the SEC and N and
then they should break.

Speaker 1 (02:04:44):
Down it down. I mean, it's gonna be nuts. These
next five years are so so it's gonna be funny
to do a social study on it.

Speaker 5 (02:04:57):
What I'm kind of secretly hoping, in a dystoping kind
of way, is that it becomes the two major leagues,
big ten SEC conferences, and then they get subdivided, subdivided
back into regions that were originally the old original conference
is roughly right. So you've got Texas and Oklahoma and
Missouri in the SE in the SEC Central, and they
become the old Big twelve.

Speaker 2 (02:05:17):

Speaker 1 (02:05:18):
If those universities make it, those ones are already in Yeah,
it's like the last year of the gold Rush before
they might like actually start putting some perimeter.

Speaker 5 (02:05:27):
Un is talking about going to when I saw the
sea got to keep Can we can we win a
game in the a CC before we talked going anywhere?

Speaker 1 (02:05:35):
Come on, man, come on man.

Speaker 6 (02:05:38):
I'm just telling you, we gotta we gotta keep an
eye on those Red Raiders this year.

Speaker 1 (02:05:42):
Also, I'm just telling you I've done a lot of
backing for North Carolina, a lot of backing for their
a lot of backing. We've we've backed them, Lombardi, uh
head coach, coach, We've backed them. Do not start zero
and four, do not start winning three. They'll go down
begging you, I'm just gonna lose. You're gonna eat shit.

(02:06:05):
I'm gonna I'm gonna eat so much shit if they
start one and three. That's how big this is. Okay,
this is this pro football, And I just cracked my
goddamn neck. You're right, find it kind of felt good?

Speaker 2 (02:06:16):
Oh nice? Is there any one or more of these?

Speaker 4 (02:06:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:06:20):
I want to do a couple of them. Let's go, baby.
If you had to place we'll quick them though. Okay, yeah, ready,
if you if you had to place a bet today
on the twenty twenty five NFL MVP. I think this
is easy. Who will it be? I don't think it's easy.

Speaker 5 (02:06:39):
I almost placed them. I'm regretting it every since. You go,
Joe Burrow, I was in Vegas. I had a queue
up in the fucking machine. I had a Drake may
m v B whop bear with me with a Patriots
Super Bowl fucking parlay one hundred dollars would have win
seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (02:06:55):
And yeah, it's not gonna happen. But like I think,
to this day, it's.

Speaker 5 (02:06:58):
Like you're telling me there's a Jake one preseason game
of telling me there's a chance preseason game look pretty good.

Speaker 1 (02:07:05):
It's gonna be. If you want to give me a
hundred bucks, I'll pay it. If you just want to
start throwing a hundred dollars away, I mean it's it's
Joe Burrow, Jackson, Allen Mahomes. Pick one of the four
three hors race there? Yeah, I would say, is there
a dark horse? Is justin Herbert come out of nowhere?
Just doesn't love that?

Speaker 2 (02:07:26):
Do you go with that?

Speaker 1 (02:07:27):
I can't see like the saque or I think Burrow's
probably gotta get it. How crazy I still can't believe
the stats from last year. You had triple Crown winner,
you had best passing quarterback, and you had the most
sacks on the defense by one guy, and they didn't
make the playoffs. That three combin I don't think has
it ever done, has ever but the cheat?

Speaker 5 (02:07:50):
The Chargers had a number one offense and a number
one defense.

Speaker 1 (02:07:54):
I I know, I heard about it from Antonio Gates
a million times about yeah, when we're in London, how
there's no way that we should ever beat him. When
he was associating me with the team that I was
not on. I was in seventh grade. I kept on
trying to tell him I wasn't on those Patriot teams, Antonio,
that was you stripping the ball. After that, their special

(02:08:15):
teams was hot garbage though, Hey the third phase, don't
forget about it. What do you think we're also going
to do this at Dudes too a preseason MVP. It's
got to be Shador, Yes, bro, he has a guy
walking in with the sickle, with the sickle, Oh my god,
that was that we playing his own unreleased rap song.
There will have legendary in one preseason game from the

(02:08:37):
Browns between then and now, Yo, I just want to
put this out there and there it goes. You could
say what you want, right whatever you thought before that game,
that game was a huge game for him. I don't
care what anyone says. He showed y and Dylan Gabriel,

(02:08:58):
you better get your ass healthy, Okay. I'm just telling you.
He went out there and played fucking pretty good. He
went out and played pretty damn good man. He looked comfortable,
and you could say, whatever it was against the twos,
it was against the threes. They had a form of
they had a level of execution that looked like a

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competent football team. And when is the last time we've
seen that in Cleveland in a while? I mean, you know,
so like before we want and I know Joe's the starter,
but I'm talking for that backup role Flago. I heard
they might keep four quarterbacks too. You can't keep four quarterbacks.
You can't keep four quarterbacks, Okay, you cannot keep fourth.

(02:09:40):
What are we doing keeping four quarterbacks? They got to
trade someone or something, because right now he's number two
to me, regardless of what you say about anyone else.
He went out there, he played. I heard, I've heard
that he hasn't taken any first team reps. I've heard
that all. I've heard all the pre draft shit. He

(02:10:01):
went out and balled out and he made thirty two
other teams saw this, two tuddies, thirty one other teams.
So like, he's got merit right now. He's got leverage,
not leverage to do anything fucking stupid. But like if
if you're the other players on that team and you're
in that locker room, it's it's mighty hard to fool
guys in the locker room. Are you gonna go in

(02:10:24):
here and say, all right, what are you gonna do?
You're not gonna reward this guy for going fucking what
do he just he had one hundred and thirty four
computer rating whatever, two touchdowns. Yeah, there was some shit
that he has to work on, but he he looked
pretty decent. He looked good. And I'm just saying, man,
the fact that he's out there. Availability is better than

(02:10:45):
ability sometimes. That's what I was told. It's the best
of my old career. Amen.

Speaker 4 (02:10:49):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (02:10:50):
When I got hurt, I went down the bottom chart.
I got hur. I went because you know, they say
you can't lose your shit to injury. Look at look
at blood sell.

Speaker 6 (02:11:00):
And to go out there and on draft baby, I
mean quite frankly humiliated. Guy's brank phone calling you. Yeah,
he was sliding people on the internet talking smack every
opportunity they get.

Speaker 1 (02:11:10):
He goes out there in balls. Regardless of what you
think that game, like he's the preseason MVP, because that
was a huge game for him individually. The pressure, Like
every network talks about this kid. Every network. It's a
fifth round draft pick, regardless of where he was he
was supposed to go. He's fifth round draft pick. Yeah,

(02:11:32):
his dad's dion, his dad's got But like he went
out there bawled out when everyone's been talking about him,
and you know, I don't like that. He went up
to the dude afterwards and said, you know, when you
go up to the reporter, he did something do a reporter.
I don't emore he was. He was charming with it,
but he kind of like he got to go do

(02:11:53):
it again.

Speaker 4 (02:11:53):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:11:54):
Yeah, I don't know NFL talent. I don't even have
any ice on my risks. Regardless of the first if
it's NFL telling or not, he still went out and
did it, and people were rooty for him not to
look at look at Caleb. Caleb didn't go out there.
That is crazy to me too, that whole thing. How
I know we we didn't play the whole offensive line,

(02:12:15):
and I know we didn't play you know, our stars,
but Chicago not playing there ones when you got Patrick
Mahomes play, okay, and and they've played together for ten
eight years now, Burrow Burrow played, you had bubble Boy
Tua plan and we're not gonna go out that dude

(02:12:42):
that I don't I don't know, Ben Johnson, That's that's
you gotta get. You're gonna regardless I'm gonna be out
there this week or whenever we're dropping there, I'm gonna
tell you come back. I just came back from there.
But I'm saying I'm gonna be very interested because like
the only thing that makes you better at football is
playing football, especially when a valuable rest the VR. Okay,

(02:13:07):
and if you if I don't, why is the offensive
line not playing? They haven't played together. It's a brand
new offensive line. There's eight padded practice is eight product
practices in preseason? Why are we not playing?

Speaker 5 (02:13:23):
Can I can I put a pin in it right now?
I'm here and say we're gonna talk next in two days.
Our dudes episode is gonna be a whole yeah preview,
So let's audience go listen to dudes if you want
to get the rest of preseason.

Speaker 1 (02:13:35):
Yeah, see the things that I gotta pump the brakes on.
You still gotta pump the breaks on at your door?
Yeah you yes, you do. But I'm just telling you
smashing the gas on regardless for a late round guy,
a late round guy to go out and look as
look as good as he did. That that shows you
he can play football. You put better players around him,

(02:13:57):
he's gonna he's gonna probably get a little better, you
know what I mean. I know the scheme's probably vanilla
as fuck, meaning it's basic. The a lot of the times.
You know, these teams have seen each other twice in practice.
They go out there in the game day and they
run a bunch of basic ass shit just to see
who can get open on what, and they load the
deck for him. But he looked good. Maybe he made throws,

(02:14:19):
he sat in the puck, his eyes were downfield the
whole time because at one play we did the little
like backtrack twice. Don't know, but yeah, you know, dude,
I was, I was like, fuck yeah, even though I
don't I don't agree with some of the ship that
Shador does like and how he approaches things, but to

(02:14:40):
go out there and bet on your like not bet
on yourself, but like this is like this was his
little super Bowl and he played it, played it well,
that's how you got to think about it. That's how
you got to think about it if you want to
make it as that kind of guy. Yeah, and he
went out there. Now, then you know what the next
test is again, how does he react? Yeah? And it's

(02:15:00):
all part of the evaluation process. And that's what we
really are at right now. That's what a lot of
people don't understand. You know, we're still evaluating our team.
We don't know what our team is, Chicago Bears. We
haven't even called to play as as this team. And
we're gonna have an opportunity for our young quarterback, our
young offensive lineman, our young team, our team that's ever

(02:15:23):
played against each other, our team that barely gets to
practice with each other with the new CBA rules, and
we're just gonna let him fucking go out and just
shoot stroke JoJo's that's crazy to me.

Speaker 6 (02:15:33):
I'll tell you what Monday night in Minnesota, Monday not
against Minnesota. Now Ben's now Ben Johnson was not playing
a big week one. Oh yes, now a big bet.

Speaker 1 (02:15:42):
Like he's not ready, but that's this is the part
to get him ready, Like he needs to feel that
there's gonna be losses in the game, you know what
I mean. So, I don't know what the fuck they
were thinking. I don't understand how everyone got the memo.

Speaker 2 (02:16:00):
To a.

Speaker 1 (02:16:02):
Played in preseason and we're not playing our second year
quarterback that's in a new system, new scheme, new players
all around him, new team, new play caller. We're not
gonna play him that. I don't know that was. That
was a scratch the head moment for me. So I'm
smashing on the gas on that one. I like that,
all right, I like that? Should we rip one more?

Speaker 2 (02:16:22):
Here? What we got?

Speaker 6 (02:16:25):
You already kind of said, who, you're pumping the brakes on,
smashing the gas. I'm pumping the brakes on Shador and
also smashing the gas.

Speaker 1 (02:16:31):
And he's also my clutch is a little fucked right
now to him. I mustang gotta take this into Frank.
I know I am pumping the brakes on him. But
you also got to take it for what it is.
The guy went out there, you tested him, you threw
everything at him, and he fucking handled it. Yeah, first
test past past Yeah. Now I don't know about the

(02:16:52):
test before. I don't know how many tests we've already taken.
But that was like, that was cool to see shout out, shador,
shout out, just you know, be seen, not heard, bubbs,
be seen, not heard. And that's that's what that was.
That was being seen through your play Can we can
we smash the gas on Cheon Henderson?

Speaker 2 (02:17:12):
Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (02:17:13):
Electric electric? But what I say when I came back
pumped the brakes?

Speaker 2 (02:17:18):
No I oh but him?

Speaker 1 (02:17:20):
Yeah? Yeah and like not was he just electric? And
he had that kick return?

Speaker 5 (02:17:23):
But then also this is out a date whatever we
record this before the second preseason game, but he was
like running with like anger, like not like hitting guys.

Speaker 1 (02:17:31):
And like you know fish. This reminds me of because
there was a first rounder that went from Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (02:17:41):
Where do he go?

Speaker 1 (02:17:42):
Browns? It's the it's the Sony Michelle Nick switch. Did
we get the we did we do this? Switch?

Speaker 2 (02:17:48):
Now?

Speaker 1 (02:17:48):
Sony had a great career, incredible playoffs. He helped us
but like you look at the longevity of that. He
had bad knees. He didn't get to continue his career
because of that. And Chubb was I mean he was.
We were talking about him being on the cover of
Mannen a couple of times. Almost you know what I mean,

(02:18:08):
maybe we get the reverse. This seems like like a
I don't know, maybe we should cut that. I want
to talk about like we'll cut that. But Henderson, I
think he's you know, I was impressed when I saw
him at work at practice. You know, he's a smart guy.
He I think he's a very mature guy. The guy

(02:18:30):
everyone speaks very highly of him as a professional, meaning
he works. And so if you think about what is
his pre draft grade. Everyone talked about how he knew
protections and stuff. So you know that he's working, he's
in the classroom, he's doing his behind the work work.
So I'm excited for that. That's gonna be a good

(02:18:51):
He got to stay healthy. We gotta stay healthy. He
feels like he was almost just like designed in a
Josh McDaniel's lab for like a pro tip cool like
running back for him. We'll see. I'm excited for this though,
We'll see we got hope, baby, we got some hope.
All right. Well that was another edition of I'm gonna
pump the gas no, or wait, I'm gonna pump the

(02:19:13):
brakes on the Patriots though hype. We gotta we gotta
pump the brakes on it. We don't know what happened
in the second pace just because it was good. We
still had a colossal fuck up with our one teams.
Oh jeez, we gotta eliminate that. We can't be going

(02:19:33):
up and he hasn't turned them all overall camp I heard,
you know, but we can't have that in game day.
That's like, that's how you lose. I've seen it firsthand.
We've done ship like that. We lose those games, you
know what I mean. But like, that's where that's a
coachable thing.

Speaker 2 (02:19:51):
All right.

Speaker 1 (02:19:51):
The second what was it? It wasn't even that like
a third down? Wasn't it was a play action? Yeah,
he could have just ate it. What are we doing?
But he's gonna learn that, hopefully. I'm excited preseason football.
I've been watching so much. The crazy thing with preseason football,
though you only watch I'll watch in depth, like the

(02:20:13):
first five drives of each game and then I'll let
a game play and you'll watch the highlights. But like
that's where you have to dial in because those are
like the things that they've coached a bunch. Those first
few drives, you can see what their fundamental coaching of
their scheme system is, what they're gonna do. That's like

(02:20:34):
their vanilla version of it. You can see where it
can morph out of it, and you can see who's
who's been executing at a high level at practice. And
that's ultimately what these games are for. When people say
there's I hate when people say why do we have
preseason because you feel so many different things than you

(02:20:55):
do at a practice when you have to go through
the operation. Okay, I remember the first preseason game, like
last week or like like it's yesterday, the friday before
you have Ivan Fears come in and we have to
do a walkthrough of how we have to teach the
warm up before the game. Because you have ninety guys
out there, you have there's so many little logistical, operational,

(02:21:18):
stupid things that go into playing a professional football game
that you don't want to feel on the for the
first time, on a regular season game where everything's on
the line, you gotta experience that. You gotta experience coming
off a drive where it wasn't great, meeting with your coach,
going over the pictures, going over the next drive, the

(02:21:41):
communication for what the next drive is going to be,
you know, the defense, the looks that they're seeing, what's
the that adaptive like, you need that. So people that
say the preseason is a bunch of hoo blah, are
are They don't They don't know the game. No, it's fact,
and it's also a huge part of the evaluation of
which guys are engaged during that and which guys are

(02:22:04):
not because you're going to be with this guy for
twenty weeks. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm in
the camp you need more preseason.

Speaker 6 (02:22:12):
I don't want to sloppy football come week one and
week two and week three, like Yeah, that's why we
keep seeing it.

Speaker 1 (02:22:16):
And that's why I think we I mean, I've been
in TV for four years now. I feel like every
beginning part of the year we talk about how offensive
lines are not getting the work. You know, they're not gelling,
you know, there's no time. It's because it's the hardest
position to get timing with that you need through contact

(02:22:37):
you need to have those set and nine on seven
periods in practice where it's just group run against the defense,
ones versus ones. You need that one on one past sets,
you know, past set pass defender trying to get to
the court. You need that stuff for these guys to learn.
They need to communicate while they're doing it, you know.

(02:22:58):
And so you're seeing a lot of these coaches Zach
Taylor Bengals, but he's also you know, I've been thinking
about the Bengals situation too. Burrow's been hurt a lot,
a lot of those camps. He had the pentoxidis, he
had the knee, he had the fucking wrists last year
that they were kind of like no quarterbacks ever had
this wrist thing. And he showed that he's fine, but

(02:23:21):
like that's part of it. But like that's that's that's
hard for the head, you know. I I've been really
tough on Zach, just like you gotta change something. But
then I think about it like that the quarterbacks and
they've had so many distractions pre or this that you
know what I mean, It's tough, but that's part of it.
That's part of it. And this off season is not

(02:23:42):
different with this year the Bengals with with they can
stop something, They're going to do something this year. I
think Al Golden can get that defense tightened up a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:23:50):
Why don't we.

Speaker 1 (02:23:51):
Wrap this up all right? Well that was the chill
Zone thanks to our favorite beer, cors Like It cores
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What an episode, and thanks again to Paul Pierce. Always
love catching.

Speaker 2 (02:24:08):
Up with him.

Speaker 1 (02:24:09):
But do we didn't even ask him about the goddamn
walk it was in there.

Speaker 6 (02:24:13):
We didn't get to it. I want those dogs still
got to be barking dog man in the house shoes slipper.

Speaker 2 (02:24:20):
It really was.

Speaker 1 (02:24:21):
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