Friendly Neighborhood Hudson Recs the Pod

The voice of Peter Parker in The Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, Hudson Thames, drops into the pod to talk Spidey, Movies and the controversy that opened up his show.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Wake up?

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Did you time to go to work? All right? Can
we talk about we.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Go back in it, get it, wake up, back, get
it that, get it that goal with everyone's staying that
up next.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's not my father, the vocals are goal that making
that hit. It so fucky that my neighbor is a
movie the way then that role they stand them people.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Baby, you know I'm making everybody upset because we thest
we get.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
And I know, donning, bread gunning, get bread gunning, get
breath cunning and bread link gunning.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
And bread bread what's going on? Everybody?

Speaker 1 (00:36):
It's your boy, Juju green Ak Straw had Goofy. You're
a movie guy and you're here on another episode of
Get Wrecked with Straw had Goofy. And as you can see,
I got all my Spider Man digs on today. I
got the Adidas jersey, the Adidas shoes, the Citizen Watch,
and it's all for a good reason, all for a
good cost, because we got my boy husting tames up
in here, the actual voice of Peter Parker aka Spider

(00:57):
Man and the friendly Neighborhood spider Man, as well as
what if dude, how are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:01):
I'm dripping out on these.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Shoot, dude, you look at the gear.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Honestly, top ten, no, top three coolest things I've ever
been sent, I would yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
I would say, so like that's those are sick.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
So I got these for like the promotion for the
launch of the Spider Man PlayStation four games spider Man two.
So hence why I got like the two here and
then on the back it's spider I said, I need it,
bro like honestly, like I'm a huge Spider Man fan,
like obviously, like we talked about this, yeah, like when
we met, and I just find it, like really dope

(01:35):
that friendly Neighborhood Spider Man is such a hit that
it is, you know what I'm saying, Like you saw
my content on it, like know how much I've been
loving it.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
I really appreciate it because I know you always like
shoot from the hip, like keep it very real.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Literally, man, I never go into my videos with the
script or anything like I can tell I just it's
just literally just stream of consciousness, and so like I
feel like it's natural that way. I feel like, you know,
people gravitate towards whatever I do on my content because
of the authenticity. Yeah, So like I never try to like,
you know, pre plan things. So like a lot of
times I make the videos right after I watch it,
like immediately after. Sometimes I wait, like if I need

(02:09):
to think about some things like Mickey seventeen, I need
to wait like a full like two days. But let
us sink in. I actually walked out also like it
was I saw it in London. I was like extremely
jet lagged, and then I was like, what the.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Fuck was that. It's such a weird, like trippy movie.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
But I was just kind of like I need to
people can ask me, like right out the theater, what's
your thing?

Speaker 4 (02:29):
And I was just like, Pattinson, Yeah, I'm so. I
didn't see a review on it.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Do you like it? I liked it. I liked it
a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
I'm really so something very funny is like, and we'll
get it too, like a lot of the Spider Man stuff,
but we're gonna do a thing that I like to
do on this show before we get into the Spider
Man stuff. But while we're on the subject of Mickey seventeen,
it's like, like a lot of people really like how
honest I am when I talk about movies. But then
obviously there's the internet that's like you just say this
shit to like, you know, he's the studio, like you're

(02:57):
gonna say anything nice and so like I walked out
of Mickey seventeen and I tried to give like an
out of theater reaction like mind you again, I'm in London,
I'm extremely jets my first take of it, and I
was like, completely honest. I was like, yo, like I
loki like dozed off, Like I'm not gonna lie to y'all,
like I lowkey done. And that's not to say the

(03:18):
movie was bored or whatever. It's just I was fucking tired.
I'm just telling you what happened, and like the movie
didn't lock me in to overstep the jet last and
so I was like, hey, I'm just being honest with y'all,
like you know, I kind of dozed off a little bit.
And so it's it's funny because, like I've posted it in,
the comments were just kind of like this is.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
So unprofessional, Like how are you gonna fall asleep on
a movie and then do a review on it you
didn't even see it.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
I'm like, first off, when I say doze off, I
didn't sleep for an hour and then waited.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Four am my time right now.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
It was like I was like maybe dozed off for
maybe like thirty second increments like three times, like at
three separate points of the movie.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
I always fight it so hard because I'm like, I.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Pay for this, I don't want to sleep. It was
so bad.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
And I've done that where like I pay for a movie,
I go there and then like depending on the time
or like the day or whatever, I will sometimes not
off and I'll be like, fuck, I'm gonna have to
come back. Yeah, like I'm gonna have to, like, especially
when it's in theaters. I'm like, it's not like if
I'm at home and like, fuck I missed that part.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeahone, there's some movies that I'll go see during the day. Yeah,
that exact reason where I'm like, I'm not even letting
this happen.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, And That's why I'm so glad to like have
a daughter who's like in school, because now like part
of my day is I will go to the theater
and catch a matinee.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, it's like a twelve o'clock, one o'clock showing.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
So like I'm up, like I'm already like you know,
I'm going to the gym at that point, I'm just like, Okay,
I'm ready to go, and I.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Feel like I really watch a movie when I watch
it during the day. Oh yeah, it's in a very
different way.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, Like for me, like nighttime watching it was easy
when I was a kid, because you know, you're just
kind of like, oh, you know, I'm just chilling at
night watching this movie. It's like the same as playing
a video game or something like that. But during the
day it's like I'm locked in, like this is the
only time where I'm like at my widest awake.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, But at night it's like I'm.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Old, Like, you know, I gotta I gotta take my
kids to school in the morning.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, life comes at you fast.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
If you don't stop to look at it every once
in a while.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Do you ever feel like I've been I've been like
kind of tripping out with my friends about this recently.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
I have noticed. It's very recent.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
I feel like maybe in the last like year and
a half, if a movie is longer than two hours, now,
I start to get like antsy, and that never happened before.
Like I've always like been obsessed with movies, like it's
always on my favorite things.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
To do.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
And I feel like just because of like I think,
literally just being on my phone all the time, like
I started talking. Yeah, like I start to like crave,
like I'm like, okay, I want something else, and it's
like that's so new, and I'm like.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Oh I hate this.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
So I don't feel antsy at the two Like when
a movie starts to like go over two hours or whatever. However,
before I start the movie, I do feel a sense
of like this is a mountain that I have to climb.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Like I'm adjusting now to like it's like a little
more meditative almost.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Exactly exactly like I cause I feel like every movie
that's like two hours or over, it's two hours over
because you have to like pay attention and there's a
purpose to it to so you know, I'm like, okay,
I really got to lock into this like two hour movie.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
I don't drink energy drinks, but every now and then
I'm like, let me get this red.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
You know what I'm saying, let me prep like you
know it's and so I whenever I see a movie
like with The Brutalist, for instance, very hard for me
to get to the theater because that's a four hour endeavor.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Dude, that's what the movie that started this conversation because
we have a uh got the screener for it, and.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
It was like five nights.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
You're watching it at home.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, we were like chunk by chunk by chunk, and
I was like, oh God, this is bad.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Get through this and that.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
And that's the thing too, is like I've watched long
movies that have locked me in and it felt like
it only was an hour. Maybe Wall Street is a
good example of that.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
That's a great one.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Me and my friends watched that movie literally sometimes like
twice in a day. That's how obsessed we were with
that movie. It was like three times in a week,
twice a day sometimes, and we were just in it
because it didn't feel that long, and it was like, oh,
we're just hanging out for a couple hours, and like
why not feel it with a movie like Wolf of
Wall Street. But with something like The Brutalist, You're just like, I.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Let's get through it.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
You know, Yeah, yeah totally.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
And I know like people would be like, oh, you're
not a real like film fan.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Or like whatever for me saying that, but I'm just
kind of like, listen, I think Brutalist is like a
fantastic movie. I think it's very well made. Technically, I
was half expecting it. You Like, remember we were talking
about this during Acuprendition episode. I'd say it would be
the most safe pick for like the best.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Picture, right.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
If it would have won, I would have been like, yeah,
of course, it's that type of movie.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
But it's just for me.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
I gotta pick and choose what I watch because again,
it's not about quality of movie.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Now, it's about time totally.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
And like, if I'm not watching something that I'm like
locked in for that amount of time, I feel like
I could be spending that with my daughter. I feel
like I can be putting that to watching something else. Yeah,
And you know, I feel like the theater experience versus
the at home experience is so interesting because at home,
like U I heard my friends talking about like the
phone test, and I was like, if a movie is

(08:12):
making me like get on my phone and like do
other things while the movie is happening, yeah, that's when
it's like, Okay, maybe this isn't the movie.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
For me, right, and Untest is, Yeah, that's so true.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
But another I need I need to ask you a
question I'm gonna ask you, but I'm asking you this
one before we get into it.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Okay, a long movie. I think it's legit, like four hours.
R R R. Have you seen r R R? No,
let me put you onto r R R. Bro So
r R is.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
I think a four hour like Bollywood movie. I don't
want to say it's Bollywood. I think it's like something else.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Bollywood's like like Korea to me, like everyone's to come
out of there and it's like the coolest thing ever.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
So every I saw this one Bollywood movie called A
Kill last year. It was one of my biggest surprises
of last year. It's violent, it's crazy, great story, it's amazing.
Love go on the list, Kill and r R. But
I'm gonna tell you about r R because r R
R is a must watch movie.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Okay, have you seen it? Correct?

Speaker 5 (09:12):
So it's in the queue. I know it's good. I've
seen so many clips. I haven't seen the full I
haven't seen the full thing though, all right, so let
me but I know it's on Netflix right now. Yes, yes,
let me put you on.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
All right.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
So it's a movie about two men. One of the
men lives in this village outside of New Delhi. And
it's set during like the like British like at the
British like enslavement of like you know India, right, And
so I don't want to say enslavement, but you know
what I mean, but like they're occupied, yeah, the colonialism
of India. Right. So one of the men lives in

(09:44):
this village right outside of New Delhi. During that time,
a little girl gets taken by the British people, right,
and so he's tasked with going out finding.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
The girl and bringing her back to the village.

Speaker 6 (09:56):
Right.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
He's like this badass, herculean type of dude, Like he's
buffet ship. He fights tiger's head up, like he literally
fights tigers, drink cereal.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
This is like he's like like Superman. Right. The other
guy he actually works for the British, is like a guard.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
His introduction to this movie is him like literally and
like like like guarding like these like British white people.
And there's like this gate, this very flimsy ass gate
where like I kid you not, like tens of thousands
of Indian men are like trying to get inside. So
what happens is that one guy throws a rock at

(10:37):
a British officer and what he says, bring me that
guy amongst these thousands of guys.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Dude says bet and he runs.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Into this army of tens of thousands of people, takes
them all on, gets the guy.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Brings him back. It goes right back to just straight face.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Wow, okay, don't tell me to Oh that's it.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
That's it. Are r A are bro now now? Without
like really telling you.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Everything about the movie is that these two guys who
are on opposite sides of this whole thing become best friends.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
It's like the best.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Romance, but but they don't know that they're on opposite sides.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Oh I gotta watch this.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
It's incredible, bro. It has everything that you would love
from a Bollywood movie. It has great it has great
musical numbers, It has numbers, it has great fight scenes.
It has great like character development, like callbacks from like.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Three hours ago to like the climbax. It is great.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
So this is a four hour one that keeps you
in it.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
It keeps you in, bro.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
I started this movie at eleven pm, damn, And I
started and I was thinking to myself, you know what,
I'm just watch like an hour and a half, two
hours here I stayed up like damn near the entire
night watch it just like this is incredible.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, we like just I feel like may like made
our way through so much of our watch list, so
need some new stuff?

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Is perfect?

Speaker 1 (12:01):
I got you, So kill is one? And then are
I highly suggest r R. First, a fun fact when
you go to the Mickey's Runaway Railway at Disneyland, like
there's like a little sign because Runaway Railway, like it's
r r R.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
It looks like the exact logo for the logo of RR.
And so every time I walk by.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
I just get like these weird flashbacks like a giant,
like the Giant. And then just like being badasses dude,
and like honestly that that honestly was like I think
my number seven movie the year it came out, wow
my top.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
When did is it a recent movie?

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah? No, it came out like two years ago or.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Something some reason. I thought this was like a deep cut.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
So I mean it was popular and like it was
nominated for one Academy Award, which it deserved.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
I think it won too. It won Best Original Song, Best.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Original Song, Sad Musical Number I was telling you about
and it should have been nominated for Best International Feature,
but I don't think like they play that that. Yeah
they did, they Yeah, they've had the Best International Feature
for shit a good while.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
It's it's been a while. I think they've changed the name.
It used to be like the Best.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Foreign Film and now it's International. Interesting, right, But yeah,
I think they just recently changed it to International. But
it wasn't nominated for that, which I was pissed about.
Should have been nominated for Best Picture if you're talking
to me, but definitely watched that movie. R R is
like fantastic. So I usually start off my podcast with
this question because, like the reason why the podcast is

(13:30):
called Get Recrostride goofy is because I feel like movies
are one of the many things that like kind of
create us. Everyone watches movies, and I feel like, you know,
you being an actor and you being a musician, Like
I feel like there's something in your past, a movie
that you watched that kind of like created a building
block to who you are. So what is a movie
that changed your brain chemistry and created Hudson? Wow?

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Wow, I don't know why, but Forst.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Gump, okay like.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
That that I think what that did, it's it's well,
you know what, there's there's two answers.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
I think Forrest Gump, for whatever reason, was like the
movie that made me fall in love with movies. Okay, okay,
and I have like a top I guess it's a
top three really, but like they all kind of like
have done different things. So it's like Forrest Gump, it's
like just always has like this soft spot for my
favorite movie. I think I was like just old enough
to appreciate like what a good script was, yeah, and

(14:28):
like just young enough for like all of the fun
parts of the movie to just feel fun.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
My favorite movie of all time has Catch Me if
you Can.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Tom Hanks, I love it, Like Tom Haggs has like
got like that like magic, like kind of like down
energy a little bit. But but the movie that made
me the movies that made me feel like I think,
you know, uh Invincible, which I feel like as a kid.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
There's a moment where you leave a.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Movie and you're like, wow, I feel like the person
in the movie that and that's feeling is so specific
to me.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
Were the Harry Potter movies.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Oh like that's like really like what was like, Oh,
I want to like live in this world and like
make stuff and like be a part of it in
a bigger way, you know.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Can we I really want to talk about this now
because I feel like Harry Potter it's been fuck unfortunately
been kind of tainted with like the JK.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Rowling stuff and.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Like, yeah, everything like that, and like now when I
watch them, I feel like low ki guilty, like you know,
but at the same time, like when those movies came out,
like I feel like we get a once every couple
of years, like movie or movie franchise that like I
don't want to say like change the game, but like
changes the hearts and minds of its audience.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Like you could tell when the first Harry Potter came out,
it felt like it felt like something that was gonna
last forever, right before we knew it was going to
become this mega franchise that will go all the way
to like definitely Hollows Part two into twenty eleven. Yeah,
two thousand and one to two thousand and three, Like
you're watching what makes movies cinema, Like you feel like

(16:01):
you're a part of like the Steven Spielberg's of the world.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
The Roberts and Mecasis.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
You feel like John Williams does the score to that one,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Christopher Columbus, who directed Home Alone.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Like it's like it's it just feels like something transformative.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
And I remember with Harry Potter, like this is before
I became a Harry Potter fan. My cousin was a
huge Harry Potter fan, and I remember he, you know,
was a big fan of the books. And I remember
this is like when the VHS came out, so I
didn't even see it in the theater, but I remember, like,
you know, he used to sleep over at my house
all the time because we were really close, and he
said like, oh, we're gonna watch Harry Potter.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
And I think we were like nine, we were nine,
and he was I was like, okay, yeah, I put
it in. And I remember just first hearing that, so
it is.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
So iconic and I don't know what it was, but
like I hadn't even seen anything of note yet. You
just hear that score and you're like in the sky
and I'm just like I'm about to be transported right now,
and you.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Know what, Like I feel that two things that always
stuck out to me is like for me when when
for fantasy and sci fi, when it's just believable enough,
I'm like so in And that was the first movie
where I'm like, oh, like they're in between like the
train station, like it's just possible enough to where like
maybe I could be a wizard.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Right, you're just trying to walk through doors and what.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
You know.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Also, the thing I think about all the time are
the words like she just committed to like making up
all the stuff, which like I always think about, like
you go to the studio and be like floorgan flogging, like.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, this is killy. What is gilly?

Speaker 4 (17:38):
I know it's a drink, but when I want yeah,
when I watch it, I'm like, I'm in, I believe
it right.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
I think that takes a lot because, like we talk
about when watching movies, the suspension of disbelief, and I
feel like Harry Potter is like the biggest suspension of
disbelief that you have to have, like that you're just say, oh,
these wizards exist in this world that like exists within
our own but it's like just behind that brick wall
you walk by all the time, like like how many
dark alleys did you watch look Through and say.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Din All was over there. You know it's a style,
and you're like, if I just tap it a couple of.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Times, I could get my first broom, you.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Know, totally.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, my god.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, just that that was a time to be alive
and like kind of experiencing something, just something that like
I guess what, I didn't even realize it at this time,
but just like because I don't think Lord Yeah, Lord
of the Rings was like two thousand and one as well,
was it?

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Look that up? Was that Lord of the Rings and.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Harry Potter the same year, Because that's a fucking great
year if they both came out in the same year.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Lord of the Rings was ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Was it's either two thousand or because I know Return
of the King was three, and I know it was
like back to back to back years. Yeah, one, oh jeez,
that is a stat Wow, you got Lord of the
Rings in.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
The first That is a battle for fantasy right there. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
I didn't realize that, but that's what.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
But I think like the one that I remember the
most is I do remember seeing Lord of the Rings
in theaters, but I think I remember like Lord of
the Rings is such a dense like like material, especially
for a nine year old, like had like read any
of the books or anything.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Took me a second. I hadn't revisit that later.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
So I was obsessed with the spectacle of Lord of
the Rings versus like what I was actually watching, because
like I remember watching Lord of the Rings and legitimately
thinking that the Hobbits were children. I didn't know there
were grown men with big feet that like look like
I had no idea, like, so I remember and I
remember like leaving that movie thinking that Aragorn was the

(19:31):
future version of Frodo. I thought, because I think I
misheard what he said when he first met and I
think in my mind he said, what do you think, Froto,
I'm you, And like I just like have in my
mind that he's like the future Frodo. So like like
I'm missing all these like important movie things and I'm
a child and I can't like, you know, Hary Potter
was still so easy like to get into, you know. Yeah,

(19:53):
So like I feel like that year of Fantasy like
again again once a children's movie and the other ones
like this sweeping epic of like.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
I know we tried to like a few months ago,
like rewatch The Lord of the Rings and like even
as like an adult, like if I you know, don't
pay attention for a few minutes, I'm like, wait, wait, wait,
what's happened already?

Speaker 1 (20:11):
I've got some friends who like will give you all
the rundown on Lord of the Rings. Okay, and I'm
talking like they read the the similar similar him. No,
that's no, it's a book, the Simarillion, Simmarillion Simmarillion. Yes,
it's a separate book that J J R. R. Token
wrote in conjunction with the Little of Rings in the Hobbit.

(20:34):
It's like a separate thing and they can like take
they can literally tell you all the stories of like
why Rohan is called Rohan. They'll tell you like what
the Row hero is because you know, they have that
anime movie that just came out, and so they could
tell you everything about that.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
It is trying to dive into a world like that.
It is you know, there's like yeah backstory.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
And yeah, you know, I got this buddy named you
Better Do Better, who's like a like he has a
great name, better do Better, and he's like a contact
creator for Lord Rings. Him and Don Marshall are just
like the savants of Lord of the Rings. So the
point where like celebrities will walk up to them and say, like,
you know your shit when and I don't watch Rings
of Power because again it's too dense for me, but

(21:12):
I will watch their recaps are Rings of Power after
the episode airs, okay, so they'll be on TikTok Live
like every single day of the day after just going in.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
I'm just like, these guys just know their stuff.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
So like, you know, like that that right there is
a nine year old I'm just like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah, I think Game of Thrones was really the like
perfect middle ground for me.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Like that.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
That was the show where I was like, you know,
like it's the I think even age I was at whatever,
Like I was so down to just dive in and
be like, you know, after every episode be like oh
and then like his dad, like I loved the world
of it.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
So I was afraid of Game of Thrones before I
started it because I was afraid it was going to
be another like oh, it's so dense, like the fantasy
of it.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
You hear some of the clips and they sound very
you know, medieval, you know what I'm saying, and you
go like, I don't know if I want to watch that.
I remember people were really into the Tutors, and I
was like, I can't get into the Tutors because of
that very I hear, hold.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
On, do you like the Tutors? No?

Speaker 5 (22:09):
I love the Tutors.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Okay, maybe I'll get it. It was so good. Is
that where she came from? And I love him. I
do love him.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
It's so good. I was into the Tutors and Henry Cavill.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Henry at the Tutors.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
That's where I found out about Henry Cavill. So when
I was like, when I saw him starting to you know,
like come up, I was like, the Tutors.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Okay, I'm gonna put that on the That was on
Showtime right, Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna put that on the list.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
But it's worth watch.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I'll watch it.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
I'm an adult now, I'm gonna I watched the Tutors.
But the reason again, it was like the Tutors and
then Game of Throws. I was like the way they
talk like, you know, yeah. But then when I got
into it, I said, okay, I'll watch the first episode.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (22:53):
And it shocked me just how modern and colloquial. The
the languages in it, right you. I mean, not like
obviously they have accents and stuff like that, but like
hearing Tyrian speak, he just sounds like the little homie
who's just smarter than Vidos.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Well, dude, And when they cut the head off the
first episode, I was like, Okay, so I.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Heard about it.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
I heard about it, and I was like, I've already
know what's gonna happen to poor old ned Star. But
to see everything that led to it, like to see
the path that he laid for himself to get there.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
I was like, such a good pilot.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
It's such a great pot It's like one of the
best pilots, like every.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Yeah, it's like Tarantino esque.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
I get so locked into the conversations in that show
that it's just absolutely ridiculous. Like my favorite moment of
all the Game of Thrones is I believe season four
the trial of Trial by Combat moment where he's in
the courthouse and he's being accused of killing Jeoffrey. The
Red Wedding not the Red Wedding Ready was season three,
I believe. I believe it was season three. Season four

(23:54):
was the Purple wedding where Jeoffrey dies and Tyrian gets
accused of it. Yes, and then he goes through the
whole trial and everything that Tyrian did leading up to it,
slapping the king, talking shit to people, everybody's testifying against him,
so the whole world's coming down on him, and then fucking.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Shay the girl that was like a sex worker who.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
He paid, Yes, right, yes, the snake or the viper.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
The red viper, the red Viper. I think season four
is the magnum opus of Game.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
I think it was the best it ever was, and
I think it all culminates in that Trial by Combat
episode where he basically sticks it to everybody, tells him
like I saved you at the Battle of the Blackwater.
I should have let Stanis come and burn all of you,
like I will gladly give my life to see you
swallow this pack of poison. Like when he looks at
like his dad dead in the face and says, no,

(24:45):
not his dad, his sister Circe. Yeah, that was the
moment he said, I did not kill Jeffrey, but I
wish that I had. Watching your bastard die gave me
more relief than a thousand lie. Was it.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Incredible memory.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
I had that speech. I had that speech as my
ring tone for so long. I had not just like
my phone ring toad. It was my texting ring toad.
So every text like God, listen, like I have to
shorten it after a while, because when you're in college

(25:25):
and like the fucking speech comes on in the middle
of class, people like even the professor would be like
when you responded that please, he's just like he's just like, hey,
we're gonna have to listen to that. And then then
I got the first to say me like the double
triple text, and he just starts off like I demand
trial by combat. That was my moment. I love that moment.

(25:45):
I think about that moment down here every day.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Dang yeah, no, it was. It was iconic.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
And then he has Pedro Pascal fight for him. Yeah yeah,
that's right, it's all coming head pop. It was yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
On TV listen that's what you get from monologue in Yeah,
we learned this from the we learned this from the gottom.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Not what I wanted to see it. I'm got him,
got them.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
I think of that girl's like like the fucking like
scream of terror. I know, like God, Okay, cool, all right,
let's move a little bit out of fantasy and like
let's stay in the world of fantasy a little bit
because bro, like we got we got freaking Peter Parker
on our show.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Yeah, we're having fun.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
We're having fun, bro Like seriously like talking about like
friendly neighborhood Spider Man. Like, I find it very, very
impressive that you started off on what if doing a
version of Tom holland Spider Man, because you know, I
can imagine they were just kind of, well, we can't
get Tom for this.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
And yeah, it's been such a funky like introduction to
it all, Like it's it's all like honestly kind of
felt like it's happened a little by accident.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
But talk to me more about that, like how did
how did did you like audition for the role? Was
this something you were gunning for? Did you hear about
it and say I have to be Spider Man?

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Because I don't.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
You haven't had previous like work before this, right, like
previous voice over.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
War in this world? No, not really, And you know
I've done like kind of random things. It's always something
I really wanted to do. And during the pandemic, I
like really like kind of got very active about it.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
I was like, you know, I couldn't.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Tour musically, productions weren't really happening for like live action stuff,
and I had like kind of done.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Like little bits and pieces of things.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
But like I like called everyone I knew in this world,
and I was like, I'm really interested in doing this.
I want to get better at it. I have a
home studio and like just kind of really dove in.
But yeah, I think what if was just this like
really like stars aligning moment where like I still don't
know why Tom wasn't available for that or couldn't do

(27:46):
it or whatever, but I just happened to have a
voice that sounds a lot like him. So it was
so serendipitous and cool and like secretive and like going
through I literally like they took me through the underground
tunnels that just need to do it, which was like
I was like, why we thought they were.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Going to cap you a little bit, didn't. Yeah, this
is what they talk about with marble.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Like the address but no, so that you know, that
was like super cool And then I was like, man,
what a great experience. That's probably gonna be it for
anything Spider Man or whatever. And even though like I've
been like a novice just like education wise, like Spider
Man has always been my favorite superhero, so like very cool,

(28:28):
you know, That's always been my guy, like in the
Harry Potter way, I like have always could imagine myself
as that superhero. And then I and then yeah, and
then you know, the what if thing kind of snowball
a little bit, and then.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
We did like some kind of video game type stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Was it the VR video game that?

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yeah, And then there was one that we did that
was like you put like you wear like a backpack
and it's like was more of like an experiential game.
And then some stuff for the parks see you just
and so like growing and growing, and I was, you know,
anytime I got a call to do it, I was
like yes a million times yes, And then literally yeah.
I was just driving one day and they were like,
do you want to do this whole show? And I

(29:11):
was like yeah. But it was interesting because I was like,
you know, am I copying Tom or do I have
rooms to kind of play and make.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
I'm going to ask you about that because you know,
with the Marvelson Mac universe, it's very you know, they've
kind of staked their name on kind of having.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
This uniform universe where anything kind of fits.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
And so when the name of the game is Continuity
and you know there's a different voice doing Tom, do
you feel any pressure to kind of like did you
feel any pressure to like kind of imitate him or
how much leeway did you feel like you have to
play with.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
That what if?

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Definitely did feel that way, But with this, with this show,
as soon as I read the first script, I was like, Okay,
it is uniform in the way that like everything Spider
Man always ties together on some level, but it like
immediately like felt like it had its own voice, and
I was like, dope, I think I can like find

(30:06):
the fourteen year old version of myself in this character.
Like that was my goal because you know, I think
the one thing that every Spider Man has in common
is it's like it's just Peter Parker is high on life.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yes he is.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Just every version of him is consistent because it's like
that optimism and that joy is consistent, even though you
know the acting and character takes are maybe like slightly different.
So you know, I was like really excited to be
able to like have some room to you know, I
was like, the only way this is gonna feel honest
is if it's me tapping into like that version of

(30:41):
myself at that age, which is like kind of always.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
What I'm trying to do.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like Peter Parker is a character.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
A lot of people like to tie him to his suffering, right,
Like Peter has to like suffer and like be this
in a way not necessarily brooding, but like have this
air of depression about him. And that's what makes the
lighter moments that much more light because no matter what
he goes through, he's still high on life. He's still
making those jokes, He's still very much like the youthful person.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
He's gonna be the youthful hero in the in the room.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
But it's that innate.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Ability to say I need to do what's right, and
I'm gonna do it with a smile like behind the mask.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Right.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
So yeah, I find it very interesting that you're tapping
into that. Have you like met Tom and like, was
there any consultation when it came to that.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
No?

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Man, It's it's so funny, like the Internet is always
trying to get us to meet or whatever you know
and like tag us or whatever. But no, I've never
I've never met him, but he seems like the coolest guy.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
He's never shouted out your performance at all.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
Like, yeah, this guy really days early days. Yeah, so
we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
It's still early, like yeah, definitely, you know because I
feel because remember, this show was supposed to be like
first class I believe that's what it was called like
because before they was called The Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man
and it was first announced I think it was supposed to.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Be and then it was freshman year, first year, freshman year.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Freshman year, I'm thinking of the X Men movie, but yeah,
freshman year where it was supposed to be the first
days of Tom Holland Spider Man and it was supposed
to be like an inn Cannon universe for him, right,
and then that turned into like a separate multiversal like
like universe, I know, I know where you know, so
I you know, I do feel that like you do
have a lot more leeway to play as like your

(32:18):
own and not like differentiate yourself from that.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
That's what it felt like when they kind of made
that decision to like have it to be a standalone thing.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
They did it for you, They said, this is this
is your thing. Like I'll take it.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
I will take it all day long.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
But what a journey though, to go from doing like
the what if Tom Holland like version like variant and
then now you've got a chance to play in your
own sandbox of Spider Man so to speak.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
I know, man, I feel like really really grateful and
it's it's been awesome how how it shook down?

Speaker 2 (32:47):
For sure, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
See, we need to there needs to be and I
really need this because like obviously we got it like
no Way home and you know, we saw the three
Spider Live Action Spider Man together. But you know, with
people like you and people like Yuri who does you
know the PlayStation Spider Man?

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah? Aw and like SHAMIEK.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Moore, who doesn't it Miles Morales, I would love to
see like some type of like actual like room where
you guys all come together.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Dude, you got to make it happen and listen, you're
the connector man, you know.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
Let me let let's look, we just saw Urie. What
last week?

Speaker 2 (33:20):
We saw Uri last week? Here's a friend?

Speaker 4 (33:22):
Yeah, I mean, dude, everyone's got to be in la.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
I'm assuming you know.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
What we should do is like we should create like
some type of like outside story where all these Spider
Men come together due do like do like a script
reading like together.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Like oh, I'm so down.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
That's the other cool thing that I've noticed about like
this show. I mean just the well of information, like
you know, overwhelming, but like in such a cool way.
I'm like with Game of Thrones, I'm like, oh, I
just like I'll be on this road for a while,
and that's like very exciting.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Did you have like a welcome to the Marvel Universe moment?
Like because I remember when I saw you backstage t
D twenty three and like we were both freaking out
because Kevin Fikey was right over there.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Yeah yeah, what like what.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Was like you're welcome to the MCU moment?

Speaker 4 (34:04):
That honestly D twenty three kind of was it. That's
like when I was.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Like, whoa, okay, Like this is like so wild and
like so cool. But my little brother, one of my brothers.
I have a million brothers, and one of them is like,
you know, just knows his stuff, like really die hard,
just Marvel fan for his whole life and and comic
book fans specifically, So like even when the what if

(34:28):
stuff started happening, He's the first person I hit up.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
I was like, dude, you gotta like educate.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Did he like sit you down and give you like
a yeah?

Speaker 5 (34:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (34:33):
He was like okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
And so he like is always who I turned to
to be like, but you know, and this year this happened,
and then that leads to this.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
And he's like no, no, no, no, no, let me tell you.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
You know, it's nice to have that person in your corner. That'sah.
Like you know, he's like your like little cheat code
in the pocket.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, He's like, you gotta get this stuff right man.
Like now he's like my coach.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Like imagining, like you guys in your bedroom and you're
like running through lies like he's just sitting in the
chair like do it again.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Yeah, like set ups with like Q card, He's.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Like here, He's like you're Mickey, he's in your Rocky.
I need you need to do this footage now. I
need to see this as content. I'm like, oh, this
is my this is my like Peter Parker training my brother,
the Peter Parker expert.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Man, oh man, So like this show, like I really
want to like dive into like a little bit of
the little bit of controversy, but before that, I want
to get into like just the reception of it, because
I feel like this show had an uphill battle just
from the start, to be honest, like, right as soon
as people saw the animation, they were immediately just kind
of like, Nope, don't want to do it.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
I did see that, you know, And I feel like.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Me, I'm the type of person because, like I don't admit,
like when I saw the animation at first, I was
like interesting, Like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
I was like, that's I don't really see a lot
of stuff. It reminded me of the.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Iron Man TV show that was on Nickelodeon that nobody
watched or nobody remembers. Yeah, there was a look it
up iron Man Nickelodeon show. I think it was called
like the Invincible Iron Man or something like that. In case,
there was also an MTV Spider Man show as well
that like a lot of people were compared it to.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Also nobody watched it, but I think a lot of.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
People were kind of like getting a gut wrench reaction
from that. But for me, like I understood what the
vision was. I understood this was supposed to be like
you know, the sale, animation, the com book storyline, it
would allow like a whole bunch of things. So I
was already just kind of up there this. I was
already just kind of like, oh, yeah, let's let's see,
let's see what Let's see what this goes. Because for me,
I am very much like animation can look good, it

(36:27):
could look bad, it could look mid, it could look
like whatever.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Yeah, I'm more of like.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
A storytelling person, like first totally you know what I'm saying.
And so you know, you see people how they're reacting
to the Shrew. You see the Shrek trailer, the one
that just came out. Have you seen the reaction to that?
No is bad, But like, luckily I've been seeing enough
people defending it as well, because like you know, the
last Shrek came out like fifteen years ago, so I've

(36:52):
seen animation is gonna look different, Trek's gonna look older.
So you're like, I'm very much like, show me the story,
I'll get used to everything else totally. And so with
Spider Man, like watching it, like I immediately got on
board with the animation within that first episode because I
knew what they were trying to do, Like, yeah, they
succeeded at what I think Angy failed to do in
the Hulk two thousand and three movie, where you tried

(37:14):
to make it feel like a comic book and it
just came off as a little cheesy.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Yeah, And I feel like.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
The animation helped that comic book look come to life
versus like a whole series like that MTV Spider Man
where it was like just very like one yearly rigged
and stuff like that. So can you talk to me about,
like if you were privy to like people's reaction to
the animation before the show came out and then them
coming around on it once it was concluded.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Yeah, man, I mean that lead up time, like when
in between like the show being announced and not being
out and then you know, people for better or for worse,
just kind of deciding what it's gonna be.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Like it was like very wild to like witness.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
But yeah, I did I have, like just by like happenstance,
this obsession with anything from like fifty and sixties, especially
average advertised. That's like when you said that, like I
have I have I got to play like a really
small part on mad Men, which is like one of
my favorite things I've ever gotten to do, and like.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
Dude, I love I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
I just have this weird obsession with like the admin world,
where like I was while.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
I know that's why I was, like, I thought that
was so cool.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
But so anyway, I loved the just the style of
the animation immediately because it's like, you know, I slicked
my hair back, like I really love that world, and
and how everything was like a little bit more considered
and like kind of dressed up in classy and whatever.
And so I immediately was like, Okay, I totally get
what this is and it's like throwing it back. But

(38:42):
I also understood, like you know, it's like what we
were talking about, like the phone test in a movie.
It's like people's eyes are used to like seeing like
the best ai, the best.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
Everything of everything.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
So it's like I could see people being like, oh,
this feels like not as good quality, but I understood
that it was very.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, yeah, I always can clock when something that people
aren't used to is fully intentional versus like they're just.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Doing it just to do it.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, like because I remember people were also getting on
the X Men ninety seven as well, exactly, and now
that's like one of the best animated.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
It's so fucking so good.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
And so like you know, I I was like, Okay,
like this is different, but like I'm really excited to
see what they do with this, and so a lot
of the scenes and a lot of the a lot
of the art direction, it's like really top notch, Like
I love I Like, like there was a scene where
Lannie is on the football field and you see how
the camera like kind of like follows him through like
as he's like dodging and we yeah, and I was like,

(39:42):
this is so like I like, it's doing things that
I don't see a lot of animated series do enough.
And so I was like, and it's all because of
this animation style, like it's bringing it to life in
that way, you know.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
So yeah, And that's honestly been a world that's been
like really cool for me to kind of get to
check out too. Is just animation and these guys process
and like how in depth and how long it takes.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
Yeah, Like it's it's so cool.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
And it's cool to have to wait to go in
and then be like, oh, I have to like sit
on my hands before I.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
How long how long did you have to wait between
doing your lines and the show calling?

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Oh man, a long time? Okay, like a year really
like like a long time, and then then.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Things would turn around a lot quicker, but like kind
of to get the first batch of stuff like took
a minute.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
I think, do you like put in the back of
your mind like you did this thing?

Speaker 3 (40:30):
And yeah, it's so hard, Like I'm just like I'm
emailing checking in all the time. I'm like anything I
can see, you know, and they're like, still know what
we're working on it.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
See, I have just one voice acting credit on Ruby
Gilman teenage Cracking.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
That's just what. It's one line. It's one thing.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
But like you know, dream Works like approached me and
was just kind of like, hey, like we were wondering
if you just wanted to like record for this line
that like we have for you for this game.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Oh yeah, sure, why not?

Speaker 1 (40:55):
And you know I was there for like thirty forty
five minutes saying one line over and over and over again,
and luckily, like the movie was like kind of finished,
so they just have to like take my voice, like
put it on this character and Okay, that's cool. Yeah,
And so I didn't have to wait nearly as long
because I think the movie was like releasing maybe like
two months later or something.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Yeah, you can really do stuff at like so many
points in the process.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
So if you get to do it at the end,
it's like you're lucky. It turns around qu.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah, but tell me, do they like film your voice
first and then they kind of like animate around your
performance or do you like get to watch a little bit.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
I thought when I when the you know, before we
did anything, that I was like, Okay, I have to
get it all right now first day like has to
be perfect. And I was really stoked that that's not
how it goes. But basically some stuff I'll just do
like to nothing like it. It's you know, especially in
the beginning, like when we were really just trying to

(41:46):
kind of find it all, I would just kind of
like go for a while. But typically the process is
they'll be bored storyboards that are kind of like rough
animatics of like what it will look like. So it's
like enough to be like okay, I see who, Like
I'm like, you know, hell out, it needs to be
or whatever, and like it's enough to record, and then

(42:07):
we'll come back and do another pass once the animation
is further along, and sometimes there's another pass after that.
Because also it's you know, it's interesting the phase from
animatic to like finished animation. It's like I think the
pace and tone sometimes changes and it's like, oh, that
line doesn't really feels right anymore. So it's like kind

(42:28):
of like constantly revising and like whittling down or whatever. Yeah,
but it's like really manageable and like, you know, easy
to make an.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
I always wondered that because I see like like somebody
like Robin Williams in the Aladdin, right, like a lot
of his lines were heavily improvised, totally right, and I'm
just kind of like, there's no way they animated all
these things, and he's like they had to have done
it around that pro totals right. Obviously the storyboards probably
helped him out as well.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
It seems like you can kind of do it both ways.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
But also there's an element of that with Spider Man,
because there's so much like you know, is Peter so
unsure of himself that there's like so much like muttering
and the so like I'll kind of go on and
like do a little stuff like that. Like I'm always
thinking to myself like oh sorry, guys, they're like no,
use it like to chase that with the mouth.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
And have you have to come back in and like
record some lines?

Speaker 4 (43:20):
Oh definitely?

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Do you have like do you have like any ones
that comes to mind that you have to re record
that you were just kind of like oh that made
it in.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Like you're saying stuff that like I had like come
up with.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yeah, no, like if you came back into like record
a line, like do you have any like memorable like
re records or did you have to like create all
new stuff when they asked you to come in, Like
oh we miss this thing?

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Can you like record this really quick?

Speaker 4 (43:45):
You know?

Speaker 3 (43:46):
I really Actually the fight with Scorpion really stands out
because like that was like a point in the series
that it.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Got dark there somebody gets capped, like like I was like.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
This is on Disney Plus, I.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Know it gets so heavy, and I think it like
just you know, everyone myself included, was like very just
concerned with like how it was going to come across
because it's like we want, you know, wanted to show
Peter kind of contemplating like not doing the right thing
for the first time, which was like super intense and yeah,

(44:20):
and just like kind of like making it making Peter
feel like a real guy, like is struggling with like,
you know, right and wrong for the maybe first time
in the series, and that we kind of went back
and like kept trying stuff and like exploring.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
A bit for context.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Are we talking about the final fight with Scorpion or
are we talking about the fight in the warehouse.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
The one where Pete the fight where Peter almost crosses
the line?

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Okay, okay, okay, So that's like the final fight where
he teams up with Mind with.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
The final one, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Yeah, he was about to he was about to do it.
But I felt that, you know, I we did. We
could talk about this episode really quickly because like that
episode is called here or Menace, And I love that
because I feel like throughout the entire series, Lonnie and
Peter are both protagonists like equal billing in that because
you're over here seeing what Lonnie's doing and then and
I find it interesting that, you know, every time we
talk about Spider Man, specifically with j Jon and Jamison's

(45:15):
like hero or menace.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
He's a menace, like you know.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Even though he's a good guy, he always gets pegged
as being the bad guy. And then you have Lonnie
who will be a bad guy or at least an
anti hero like later, but he's kind of the one
who saves Peter in this way.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
So it's like both questions. The questions could be applied
to both characters. Are they a hero? Are they a menace?
And I find it really cool that there's like that
moment where they're standing side by side. Yeah, And it's
like this is like it's a great thematic, like I'm.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
Glad you caught that man. Yeah. That that episode's probably
my favorite episode.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
I think I think so too.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
It's just there's so much.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Like that that, like I'm like, oh, like after watching
it a second time.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
I'm like, I see Jeff, see what I what I Jeff? Jeff,
He's great.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
He's so good.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
He's so good at this time.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Like the thing that I was picking this up from
the very first episode where and again a lot of
unexpected things were happening in this show where first Lonnie
is like the jock who's like a really good guy.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
I was like, oh, I know this is.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Different, like I know flashtops in type character, but oh no,
only is he a good guy? Him and Peter are
hitting it off like that, and the moment where like
he's like, oh, you know, I'm gonna go home like
and chill around the house, maybe clean up, you know whatever.
All right, see laterbody, And then there's that split where
you see them going different directions and then the perspective
shifts to Lonnie's character and then you see like his

(46:31):
home life, you see where he comes from, and you're
just like, I kind of feel bad for this guy now.
Like obviously for the ones who read the comics and
know the Lonnie Lincoln character were like, damn, this is
gonna be very tragic when that turn happens. But it
also sets up the Peter side of things, where like
you've seen him when he's been that good guy, so
now every time you fight him as a villain, that's
gonna be emotionally charged every single time. So I like

(46:54):
like the fact that we got the team up in
that find and that was it the penultimate episode where
they're teaming up. I was just kind of like, dang,
they're teaming up now, But like we.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
Don't know where that's gonna go where.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Like we know that further down the line, it's gonna
be one of those like emotionally charged fights where it's
like I don't want to do this He's like I
don't want to do this either.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yeah, but we're just this is just how it's supposed
to be.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
Yeah, there's I wish I could say more about that.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Like, like, are you guys like because as soon as
season one was done, season two stuff started like popping up.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
My answer is asked Jeff as Jeff, I'll.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Ask Jef, we'll woll get him up on here, and
then we'll like poke him and product for all these
type of things. But yeah, man, so yeah, I really
love what this show was doing with like it's villains
the line and Lincoln character. Uh even even like the
relationship between like Peter and Norman. You know that's also
gonna be like set up for something further down the line.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
So you know, it's it's these ways of us kind
of like tweaking the Spider Man's story and creating something new.
And you know, because you know, we've seen these things
like one hundred times, we've seen it in the movies.
We've seen it in other animated series, video games, but
I loved how this thing can It's so fresh and
it kept me guessing as to like, oh, I know
where this character is going to end up. It's all
about the journey. It's all about like how they get.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
There, totally.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
And I think the more that my honestly, my little
brother started kind of just informing me about I guess
Comic Book World specifically, I was like, oh man, this
is it made the show cooler and cooler to me
because I'm like, it is kind of pushing it into
a newer direction constantly, but also like so many Easter
eggs and like, yeah, it like does honor the heritage

(48:31):
of the comics, I.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Feel like yeah, And I feel like it also like
honors the MCU because there is a lot of like
parallels to the MCU, but just with like slight tweaks
and variations totally right, like the whole time that this
is happening during the fallout of the Civil War story Yeah,
which is like Tom Holland's introduction.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
To Yeah, I was like, this is really interesting.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Because like you keep hearing about the accords, you keep
like that leaks into like Doctor Octopus, this whole thing totally,
you know, And I was just kind of like, this
is like a really cool like like exactly what you
need out of a what if story, like al story.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Now, obviously there has been some controversy like leading into
this show, like right before it like released on Disney Plus,
and you know, you made some comments about your fear
of Spider Man being too woke, right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
The elephant in the room.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Yeah, I'm really I'm actually really glad that you asked
about this.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah, because I gotta let you know, like as you know,
as a black man and someone who's like known you
like previous, like you know, our relationship and everything.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Like I saw that, and you know, Loki, I was like,
what do you mean by that?

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Man?

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Like you know it?

Speaker 1 (49:30):
You know it Loki heard, especially as someone who's online
and like every time, like I talk about race like
very openly and yeah things and you get that all
the time, So hearing it come from you, I was
just kind of like, Okay, I'm I'm gonna have to
check in and see what's going on here.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Obviously, something that I said was cherry picked and used
essentially with like no context, just to kind of stir
up some dramas, okay, And basically what was happening is
it's like, you know, we were talking about that little
period of time before the show came out, or.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
People knew it was coming out, right, they hadn't seen
it yet.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
And I was noticing a lot of comments online that
I was getting that was either a criticism or people
being nervous or expressing concern that the show was like
using topics of diversity and equality in an inauthentic or
disingenuous way. And I it made me like defensive, like

(50:22):
I wanted to kind of defend our show a little bit.
And the only thing that I meant when I was
saying that, and it was such a poor choice of words,
and I you know, like it was kind of just
a jumble. But my point was that our show doesn't
have to do that. It doesn't have to pull any tricks.
Jeff like did such a brilliant job in my opinion of,

(50:44):
you know, just writing what he knew, and I think
his audience members honesty resonates right. And it's like I
was saying a minute ago, like I feel like every
you know, piece of you know, involvement and equality and
diversity was just already baked into the story he wrote,
and he didn't and nothing felt forced, right, I suppose,

(51:07):
So I was really just trying to compliment like the
grace in which that all plays out in the show
and it and ironically it's what like attracted me to
the show so much in the first place. As I
was like, man, like this is like really well done
in my opinion, and I loved every aspect of it,
but like it was, it.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Was really upsetting because I was like, this is people
think I mean the opposite of what I mean.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
They think you mean with like the insols and the
like racists on.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
The universes man, And I was like, I you are
like people like I'm I'm with you. I'm on your side,
I know, and so you know, I am glad that
I'm here with you and can just be like a
million times over, like I am the most supportive of
like how inclusive this script is like to the max
and that I want to talk about, like you know,

(51:58):
that's like the danger of kind of like you know,
using buzzwords like woke and things of that sort, because again,
like as soon as people hear that, you immediately there's
a reaction that's going to happen because of that, right,
And I feel like a lot of people, mainly people
on the internet, people who don't want to see like
diversity and inclusion and things.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
I mean, obviously we have a president that's rolling back
on a lot of those type of things. You know,
they have unfortunately co opted the term woke, and now
it means something completely different. So every time you mean
like now, every time like someone says it, like it's
it's not what you mean, which is why Like when
I saw what you said, I was like, okay, but
you accepted the role knowing what was baked into the

(52:37):
show already, So to say that after the fact felt
very weird. I'm like that, like it wasn't the puzzle,
wasn't adding up this show again because the show's in
the can. The show's like you know, like the show's
already done. But that's that You've worked with Zeno and
Jeff like all these.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Yeah, these are all my best friends and like, you know,
everyone I would hope who knows me, like knows kind
of how I feel. And I'm like the most artsy
fartsy left, Like I grew up in a family of
hippies pretty much.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
So yeah, it was it was it was, it was wild.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
But like, I'm so glad that you brought up that
point specifically, because that word has almost shifted in a
way that like I didn't fully even realize. It's like
how that had happened, like to such a crazy degree.
It's like it has become like the definition has.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Changed, and I want to make it like clear, Like
I don't feel like the definition is still the same.
And I feel like, like, you know, we as people
in like you know, the the POC community are trying
to like take it back and like try to educate.
It's hard to like educate people who don't want to listen, right,
And like when I when I obviously I know woke

(53:48):
it's like being like socially conscious, you know, being conscious
like gender like you know, disparity not totally not yeah,
gender disparities, racial disparities, things of that sort, like you know,
including everybody and get making sure everybody gets to see
to the table and kind of like shedding a light
on when that's not happening. Right, That's what woke means,
like keep your eyes open for those type of things.

(54:09):
But then you know, you have people who have, like
you said, co opted and now like are actively and
for the most part has changed the definition to say
like oh, they're just adding like more women or more.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Black people, more like whatever exactly.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
And so like you know, I just I just was
like sitting there going like, well he accepted the road,
knowing that Norman and a going to be black.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
You know, people trip out about like the race of
this person or like the sexual orientation of this person,
and and all I was trying to say was like, guys, guys,
this like the representation in this show is like amazing
and it's and it's like very authentic and genuine, and
like I don't think anyone behind the scenes is like
this person needs to be like this, This person needs
to be like this. Like it's just there and it's

(54:57):
diverse and equal and it's nature.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
I mean, this is the conversation that we should be having,
especially with the show like Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man, because
I feel like, you know, the characters of Norman and
Harry and even like the gender swap of Kirt Connors,
it's Carla Connor's I believe her name is right, Like
I feel like these are such inspired choices in the show,
because if Spider Man was created today, like if we
took out like his Silver Age era and let's say

(55:19):
like somebody decided to create Spider Man today, which is
what this is more than was what this is. Pretty much,
it's a restart. This would be what the world looks
like and it will reflect that exactly.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Like that's what a modern day Spider Man is. It's
just you know, that's where we're at.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Yeah, I'm not going to be the old Spider Man,
and a lot of people like to hide behind the
Oh I'm a purist. I just want it to be
seen as it was originally seen when in reality, you
just want it to be seen that way because it's white.
Like it bothers you, right because like now you feel
like you got this thing taken away from you. Yeah,
and that's when you literally have seventy five years of

(55:55):
white characters within Spider Man that you can always go
back to. Yeah, you know, if you love Spider Man
that much, you would love the character's mythos, his story,
his characterization versus like the color of his characters and whatnot.
And it has to write and so you know, again,
as someone who knows you, and as someone who's like
very like honest with his friends, I saw that was

(56:15):
just kind of like okay, like I want to talk
to you and like really see where that's coming from. Because, like, again,
being online is so easy to like kind of like
take things and like get the sound bites and get
the clips and the headlines and just kind.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Of like take it as is. But I feel like, again,
woke is.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Such a triggering word for a lot of people that
shouldn't be triggered by it. Is that as soon as
they heard it, they didn't think like, oh, well, obviously
he accepted the role. Like if if you were afraid
of it being woke, why would you accept the role
at the first time? Right, And these are questions that I,
as your friend that I was like, hmm, that's weird.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
So I'm like, I'm gonna have to talk to you
about that.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Well, I'm really glad that you did and you know
it that it was wild though, It's like that that
was my first experience with like any kind of like
I guess backlash or like misunderstanding in the media of
any kind of like I've really like sat on my hands, yeah,
been like I want to obviously, like the first reactions

(57:15):
like I just want to clarify like what I actually meant.
But I just I it was so intense for a minute,
I wanted it to just kind of chill out. I
wanted to like just really like think about.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
My words carefully, right, because like you know.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
I mean I've been in the same position where like
you know, I've said things in a way that like
definitely got like twisted and misconstrued, and like that's just
the nature of the internet, right, It's like you've got
to be very intentional with what you say, like and
you know a lot of times, especially like at junkets
and things like that, Like I talk about this all
the time with like at red carpets, where everything's just
going at like a mile a minute. You're just either

(57:50):
trying to get the questions out or trying to get
the answers out. Yeah, And then you know, usually in
conversations like what we have on these type of things
every day is like you know, we clarify with each
other like oh no, that's not what I meant, Like
this is what I meant. But in this day and
age of like social media, you get like one shot
and then what people have that perception on you?

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Then like it.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Follows yaou proven so like you know, we can we
can talk about this all day, but like I feel
like a lot of people's mind is either already made
up or like if at least people will be open
to like hear what you say and be like okay,
like I see where he's coming from and that type
of thing. But you know, again, that's the internet, man,
Like that's welcome to the MCU.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Yeah, everything I was warned, Like you know, everyone was
like it's it's a wild time out there in the
comments section.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
I mean, you saw what happened with like Bree Larson
and how they tried to say like her co stars
hated her because of the clips that.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Have you seen that? Yes you remember that. It was
like a crazy time where they're like, oh yeah, none
of her co workers liked her, and like, oh yes, yes,
It's like.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
It was like that clip of like her and don
Cheatle and like I think Chris Hemsworth and like she
would say things and somebody would like edit it to
make it look like they can stand her when in
reality everyone loves her. So like you know, and that's
narrative that still follows her to this day of like, oh,
you know, like we Bree Larson was a terrible cold
star and it's like someone who's who's met Bree Larson.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
She's advice people, dude, if.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
You don't and that and that, and that's like the
terrifying part about it is like, you know, this this
publication like used like a very small piece of what
I said without like the rest of the sentence that made.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
It make sense.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Yeah, but if if you know, if I'm the reader
who just read that and then like you know, kind
of forgot about it, like the impression that I'm gonna
have of Hudson Thames is then like he's a jerk. Yeah,
you know what I mean. And it's so it's you know,
it's it's wild. Uh, it's wild.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
But list I've had a lot of friends that that's
happened to. I've been on the other side of it,
like you know, That's why a lot of times, like
I try to like follow up with like you know,
the homies or follow up with anybody and be like, hey,
what do you mean by that?

Speaker 2 (59:47):
So I'm glad that we have you ever.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Giving me the opportunity to do that.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Like because you know, that feels really nice to be
able to just kind of clarify what I meant.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
How are you doing after that fallout, by the way,
because you seem to be doing a lot better.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Yeah, I was, you know, I think I was more
so just upset because like I have friends like you
and you know, my buddies I grew up with, and
I was like, the first impression of anyone who reads
is they're gonna be very confused, anyone who knows me.
But like, you know, it just it was frustrating for
people to like have the thought of, like, oh, someone's

(01:00:20):
reading this, they think that I mean something completely opposite
of what I mean. But you know, after everyone in
the on the show was like really kind and and
and you know, I like checked in with everyone and
with you know, our cast and Jeff and everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Was like, you know, it's all good.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
We know what you mant like jumble to God, edited
weird or whatever, So I'm all good now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Yeah, it's someone, like I said, someone who like talks
about like I get accused of talking about race too
much whenever I mentioned, hey, I'm black, I watched things,
you know what, Like people get so upset when I'm
just got hey, if I've a new Winter Soldier has
a lot of like racial themes up in here, we
should talk about that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
They just go, fuck you, dude, we don't want to
talk about that. Like, let's leave the politics out.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
Of my I know, I appreciate it, Like this is
real life and it's the world that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
We're living in, and it's like it's the topics that
are being brought up at every turn. So it's like,
you know, it's important to talk about them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Well for sure, Well let's like switch this to like
a little bit of a lighter note.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
So Craig, throw me, throw me that uh that that glove.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
I'm gonna knock you out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
I'm gonna knock you out. I'm gonna fight. This is
this is what's about to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
I don't believe you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
So so I found like I I got this glove,
like when I was doing press for the movie The
Fire Inside who sign Uh don't ask me, but it
was it was the main subject of the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
But she sees like, apparently the greatest boxing the world.
I don't watch boxing, I don't know, but they gave
me this glove.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Signed by I should really not know. I don't know
who this is, Clorisa Shields. I wanted to say that
I got this. Here is a glove signed by Clarissa Shields.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
It sure is, and I got it, and I got it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Do impressed with the movie the fire inside and when
I saw it in my car and I was like,
you know what, this could be fun for a segment
that I like to call note honestly like very like
working title because this is frankie S thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
I like to call it fighting words. So what I
want you to do?

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
That's a good tell, right right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
So what I want you to do? That's why I said, Frankie,
it's a working title. Okay, that's a catchy title. Let
me borrow your title, Frankie. Just let me borrow it,
just for this time. I'm gonna come up with something better.
I just found it. I just came up with this title.
All the walk from the car, the studio words, the
fighting words. Let's fight for fighting words.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
I got what glove? What you got?

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
But what I want you to do is think of
a Spider Man movie hot take, and I'm gonna give
you the glove while you're holding the glove. You give
me that hot take. Okay, okay, you got your hot tape, Yes,
glove's coming to you. Look dead a camera giving your
Spider Man fighting words hot take.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Toby McGuire is not in shape in those Spider Man movies.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
What do you mean by in shape?

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Okay? I saw this is What do you mean by this?

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Is?

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
This is?

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
This is kind of I'm kind of I'm kind of
stealing a meme Internet hot take. But I saw this
person post the other day of like how like superhero
body norms have like changed in movies, and I think
it was like Henry cavill and like, uh McGuire and
what used to be superhero buff, like what we expected people.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Now he definitely has like an everyman type of like
I go to the gym, but I'm not necessarily.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
If you're watching this, you look great, man.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
I just I'm gonna let you know Toby doesn't care
like he's like I got paid people.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
He looks good, he looks photo. I saw he looks
pretty rip.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
That's what I was thinking, Like when you say he's
not in shape, and that's why I asked, what is
in shape? Like he can't run or whatever. But in
that first Spider Man movie when he's in the mirror,
but you know what, to be fair, like, he looks good.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
Spider Man's never been like super.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Beefy, that is true.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
You know, he's supposed to be a very athletic or
like he does yoga. Yeah, yeah, he doesn't look like
he does yoga. That's why I acts like, what do
you mean by in shape because there's different types of
in shape?

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
Yeah? I meant like, right, whatever, jacked. I feel like
every superhero they always trying to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
I mean, I feel like I feel like this was
the early two thousands idea of what a superhero should
look like. Yeah, because, to be honest, was Michael Keaton
in shape in the first Batman?

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
No, And he didn't need to be because the batsuit
had to abs. Yeah yeah, you know yeah those the
Batman in Superhero seats. Always they were like, let's do
all the work. But Toby was like, yo, I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Do the work.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
You know what, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
I take it back, Yeah, take it back, like with
a photo up, we're taking it back.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Yeah, he's a beefcake right there.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Yeah, he's looking he's looking pretty stacked in that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I will say, though, like when he's like in the costume,
there is a little bit of like a like like
there's no there's no like ab defying Toby.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
Is my spider Man also, I will say, and maybe
this should be my hot take. Okay, Spider Man two
is my personal favorite Spider Man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Give me some that's mine.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Really, so you know, I ride, I ride with Maguire
like those that one specifically, I think it's just a
time that it came out, Like I just.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Two thousand and two, it felt like the golden age
of superhero movies. Yes, like golden age.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
That's like where I remember, like I remember the whole night,
like getting in the car, going to the movie theater,
waiting in line, like it's so like visceral.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
So this a lot of my life surrounds like the
Sam Raimi Spider Man movies and Spider Man two. Like
like I said, it's my favorite one and similar to
what you were talking about with like Harry Potter and
Forrest Gump.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Getch me if you can.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Spider Man two is one of those transformative movies where
I realized movies can be more than just like entertainment.
That you're just watching Like it was like the first
time where I actually picked up on thematic storytelling, like Imber.
I remember a lot leading up to Spider Man two,
like I remember the ads that I would see on
TV that would like flash like the taglines of like destiny, choice, responsibility,

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and I was like whoa, Like this is this is
what it means to be Spider Man, and it was
like one of the first you know, I can argue
also that you know, the first X Men movies did
this as well, but this was like the first time
I saw a superhero struggle like a real person, Like
they prioritized Peter and those movies, and he was the
human it was like the human elements that really went.

(01:06:42):
There's an extended period where he's not even Spider Man
because he quits, and so I feel like that's what
those movies did very well, and that was my first
time going like oh wow, this is a film, Like
this is actually a film.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
So Spider Man two is like that's my shit.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
I just loved the Glider, the Goblin Glider.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
The Goblin Glider bro Like, let me bro that in
that first movie, that fight between Green Goblin and Peter
is so visceral, so braw. There's no music, it's just
is that the one in the graveyard. Yeah, it's like
it's like a graveyard type thing. It's like like this
abandoned like like brick building, you know, just this random
New York, just New York, goes anywhere in New York.

(01:07:19):
But but I remember that fight so much, and like
you know, I we're gonna get into this in the
next game that we play. The final game of the
of the show is the Green Goblin fight in that
movie versus the No Way Home Green Goblin fight, Like
they're both special in their own ways because that Tom
Holland versus Wonder Folle, it's just a knockdown, drag out
fight where there he's body slamming him through floors like

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that building. So it's hard to watch, I would argue.
Even harder to watch is watching poor old Toby getting
his ass beat like that. Like you know, there's a
bubble where he gets punched and it's a slow mo
like his lip jiggles, blood comes out. He like he
like gets this like like I don't know if it's
just Toby being Toby, but there's like this whimper that
he gives when he gets hit, he's like when he

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hits the floor, it's like this weird liked it's like
the saddest whimper, which you never want to see your
heroes like make.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
And so I remember that very riskerly.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
And also you tell me, because I don't know if
they tell you this or if like this is just
me like overthinking. But in the scene where your Spider
Man fight Scorpion hit, the way your mask and the
way you're like kind of fucked up, that's how Toby
Maguire looked after he fought the Green Goblins.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Yeah. The first I was.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Like, this seems very familiar, like with the broken thing
right here in his mouth is like well, I was like,
I see what they're There was like a lot of callbacks. Yeah, yeah,
you know, so I was digging that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
You know what, there's actually funny and if there's one
that I even missed until the other day.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
Uh wait, wait with the guy from a cherry.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Is he the guy who goes uh who's like in
all the Spider Man movie seas as chunk chi and he.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Goes yep, yep, we even got zach yep.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
I saw that I made a video on him. I
was like, that's really cool. Yeah, he was in he
was in Homecoming. He was also in uh a hump
cheep yep, and I saw him in that and I
was like, yo is that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
I love that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
And then it's also live streaming just like how I said,
I love this continuity.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
I know I didn't catch it the first time around.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
I need to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
I need like remember the Marvel one shots that they
used to do, like it was like item forty seven
and then it was like on the way to Thor's Hammer.
There was also one of them describing that, getting Tony
Stark to talk to Ross about there. Yeah, it was
like it was like so they were in between every
Marvel movie and Phase one okay, and they put it
they will put him on the DVDs and so like

(01:09:35):
Iem forty seven was one where it was like these
two people who found one of the Shaitari like like weapons,
and then they got recruited into Shield and then there
was like Colson like coming to New Mexico and finding
the hammer.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
So they're like little short they're.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Like little shorts coo, right, and so like, uh, I
wish they would bring those back. I think the last
one that they did was called All Hill the King
where it was after Iron Man three and Big Kingsley,
who is the fake Mandarin, like is in prison and
then like somebody takes him out of prison and says,
the real Mandarin wants to see you now, and so
it was kind of like a way to like tease
the real Mandarin. So I wish they would do like

(01:10:10):
a one shot and I want to see like his
little story, you know, I would love to see that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
It's almost like the pick the version of the Pixar.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Exactly exactly, and so like I want to see because
when he started off in Homecoming, he had this very
high voice that he has sensed abandon like the whole
like okay.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
Spider Man, yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Now he's like a regular guy without the voice. I'm like, whoa,
what was that? How did that go?

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
I would love to like see like if somebody like
you know, fixed his speech or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Like I don't know, I just want to see that
in like a one shot. This is Marvel.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Please if you do it, like you don't have to
credit me, just based on the story from Strong and.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
The one Shot to be easy you put do them
on Instagram exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Like and like I know, like physical media isn't like
the biggest thing anymore. They still make them, but like
I would still like, you know, just put it on
the Instagram and just say, like, hey, we created this
little when we brought the one shots back, and I
think that would like fill out the world very nicely. Okay,
So now we are going to do a movie Soulmate
Challenge yep, and it's a Spider Man edition.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
I told you the rules.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
We're just gonna jump right into it. Are you ready?

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
I'm ready?

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Okay, here we go, Emma Stones, when Stacey or Zindeia's
MJ can give you us, you got it immediately, all right,
three two one, let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
You don't bet against Zendaya. Yeah, you don't bet against.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
The daya dude's opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Honestly, there's nothing nothing she could do wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
And like, even though she's a she's probably the most
different MJ that we're ever going to get totally, you know,
she's not necessarily Mary Jane.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
I'm like with her, especially no Way Home. I think
No Way Home is best performance is m J.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
Yeah for real, I do too, And you know what,
like again, like even to go back to our other
point like no Way Home.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
I feel like did mark the first thing like time
that we're like starting to see things change, you know
what I mean, Like in.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Like just even like stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
With Tom or I felt like, you know, I don't know,
like Spider Man cast to evolve.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
I feel like so I was not I I don't
want to say I wasn't the biggest fan. Like I
recognized that Homecoming is a great movie, like it's a
great Spider Man movie, and Far from Home I feel
like had the best like Tom Holland like action of
like that trilogy, and then No Way Home obviously, like
you know, No Way Homes, No Way Home. But I

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feel like leading up to that, I did have this
little like gripe of like he's too techy, like he's
always like relying on Iron Man, Like he doesn't feel
like like the friendly neighborhood Spider Man.

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
Yeah, it felt like local.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
I didn't feel that, Like I got a lot of
that in Homecoming, don't get me wrong, but like he
just felt very Avenger already. And I feel and I
love my Spider Man like you know, close to home.
And then sometimes he'll be called up to do his thing.
And so I liked that the the Home trilogy was
mostly like an origin story. Yam of like the Spider
Man that we know, Like now he's the Spider Man

(01:13:19):
that we know, Like he's broke, like you know, he's
kind of like on his own, like he's like he's
got like the regular suit now, but he's still out
doing fighting a good fight. And so I'm really excited
to see where this Tom Holland Spider Man goes me too, right,
So like and I you know, did you watch you
Darted wil yet?

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Did you watch it? There's a little.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Nod to Spider Man that I really really liked where
they like talk about like how he's one of the
vigilantes of New York City, and I really liked hearing
that of like, oh, yeah, we don't need a guy
in a Spider suit or a dude with devil horns.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
I said, yeah, he's part of the street level letting
him know that. So I really dug that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
So by the time like U No Way Home ended,
I was like, I am now super okay with the
Home trilogy as a whole.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Now, yeah, like we can like get rid of.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Like the whole like techie type of like he's always techy,
like Spider Man is always like a techy dot guy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Yeah, but it was just like I wanted to be
friendly neighborhood.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
Yeah, and you know, Norman's kind can be the tech
really quick.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
One of my favorite Spider Man moments is it is
during the Siege storyline where Asgard is floating right above
Oklahoma and the heroes are fighting Norman Osborne and his
Dark Avengers in Asgar with the Gods of Asgard, and
Spider Man's like below Asgar, like in the city, fighting
like little strays, like fighting people, and then Captain Marble
shows up and she's like, what are you doing here?

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Like you're supposed to be up there with us.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
He goes, yeah, you know that's like Avenger stuff. Like
I just felt like down here, you know, just take
care of the stray.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
I know. He's always like just the kid amongst adults.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
He's he's like, he's he could do more like and
like he does come through a lot in the big situations,
but I like that he's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Very much just like, oh my god, this is a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
The guy in a rhydo suit the other day tell
me about this interdimensional demon.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
I know he's so human man.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
That's all right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Next one, Oh, this is good, amazing Spider Man two
or Spider Man three from Sam Raimi.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
I'm not even sure if I got my answers to
this yet.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
Okay, I think you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Think you got it. Okay, I think I got mine. Okay. One, two, three,
Spider Man three three.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
Yeah, okay, we are locked in.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
We're locked in, We're locked in.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
I say that Spider Man three is emotionally au thematically
consistent with Spider Man one and two, even though it's
a little overbloated, even though it like juggles a little
bit too much and like there's a lot of like
out of character things emotionally still, like the fact that
he's dealing with the guy who killed his uncle Ben,
like his relationship with him j like you know, the

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the the final fight, and his reconciliation with Harry, as
well as like Harry's deaf, Like all those things are there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
The action is.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Super consistent, like it never drops off in the action department. Also,
I've come around on the Emo walk, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
Around.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
So the reason why I came around is because I
was watching Spider Man two and the same exact scene happened,
just less emo.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Rain drops are falling on my head. Oh, it's the
same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
It's a moment showing Peter's like change in attitude. It
just came off as a little goofy because he's emo.
But like Sam Raby that rain drops scene is goofy
is fine.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
Yeah, Fans like.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
It's it's on a freeze frame of his face like
nothing's worrying me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
I'm like, Sam Rabie told us what he's what he's doing. Yeah,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
And then also have the noowledge that Sam Ramie like
purposefully kind of like sabotaged the movie because he was
getting a lot of like pushback from the studio like
when you to include this villain, this villain, and he
was just like all right, you want villains, I'm gonna
give you villains. So I'm like, hey, he's he told
the truth. He kept it a buck, yeah, while still
keeping the movie like emotionally like consistent with the other

(01:17:12):
So I I've come around on.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
It totally, and yeah, it just I think it's just
still has the nostalgia for me too.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
It's like the time the age I was out when
I saw just hit so.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Hard I broke my collar bode that day. I broke
my collar bone that day, but at the time it was.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
Immediately trying to swing off a building broken.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
It was my It was the worst day of my
life because I walked out going like that movie sucked
and then like I went to go play basketball to
bloss of Steam, broke my.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Collar gold playing basketball. Oh god, it was Mother's day.
It was Mother's Day.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
That is bad.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
It's a bad day, man, Craig, you're going amazing Spider Man. Huh,
amazing Spider Man.

Speaker 5 (01:17:45):
Pick. I mean, I have beef with both of them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
But that's why it was just.

Speaker 6 (01:17:50):
The jazz club with the whole thing, with the when
he walked out the little clap. Yeah, yes, it's tough.
It's tough, bro, And I love and I love I
love Sam Raimi, I love Toby.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
Yeah, I'm in.

Speaker 5 (01:18:05):
But that is but man, the set of Chompers that
Jamie Fox had on.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
That got magically fixed.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
There's a scene, the scene where he's transforming into electro.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
You see the gap in is too get pushed together.

Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
So that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
It's like, I mean even the comb over, Bro, like
the comb over like.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
I like how like when he turned into Electro his
whole swagger shifted, like yeah, he went from going like
an snl like, oh, Spider Man, it's my birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Wow. Oh yeah, look at my teeth. I'm electro Bro.
He's different.

Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
But the one thing that I really loved is Garfield's
performance that was always great and the and the energy
that he was giving to that character, being very empathetic.
Just I don't know, man, So that's why.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
That's why I think all the performances, sorry, Jimmy Fox
say for Jimmy Fox in that movie is like pretty
top notch, like Andrew and Emma Stone, Andrew and Mstone together.
I really like Dane dehon in that movie as well.
I liked his chemistry with Andrew Garff. But we don't
talk about that enough.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
Yeah, we never, No one ever talks about Dan.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
Dane listen, Dane to Chronicle since Chronicle d Chronicle is
like one of the best superhero movies ever.

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
Dude, ever, I kind of forgot about it until you
just brought it up. Ye, that movie is great.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
It's fantastic. I mean, come on you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
Michael B. Jordan Young Michael B. Jordan and Dane Dehon
like great superhero.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
Movie, microL gonna be so sticked. I'm coming home with
like a full refresh of the watch list.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Yep, you're welcome. We gotta do the podcast once a
week and then we're gonna give you some more. That's
what get Wrecked is all about. Baby.

Speaker 5 (01:19:49):
But I have to say I love Chronicle. I saw
it in the theater.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
We gotta do it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:52):
Wasn't like one of these people that in the theater
is really good.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
We gotta do a whole episode on Chronicle. Like, I'm
super down for that, man, Like, because I think more
people should like know about it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
They should, and I feel like the people who do
know about it are really loud about it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
You should do some stuff on Chronicles because it kind
of fell through the.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Cracks, you know what. You know what, it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
Wasn't this big budget movie either.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
We're gonna know it wasn't. It was.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
It was like activity.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Exactly where every movie was trying to do.

Speaker 5 (01:20:22):
It was just so well done, so well acted. For
those younger actors dive into those characters.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
I think might be joining was his most charismatic in
that movie.

Speaker 5 (01:20:31):
That's where I think I think that was the clickover
for him.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:20:33):
Personally, yes, personally, I felt like that was the clickover
because we really saw like him kind of step out
a little bit more. Just yeah, it's a good movie.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Yeah, yeah, but I think it's one of It also
is based off of a Kira. It's based off of
a really, yes it is.

Speaker 5 (01:20:48):
I heard that accident yep.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
AKA, yeah, you know what I'm saying. I said it
don't really that I tried it. I was like, you know,
people are gonna say, oh, it's actually protoun So I
did it for.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Those I did it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Akida you know, Yeah, you're smart, You're a step ahead
I had to learn.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
But yeah, Chronicle shout out to Chronicle. That is absolutely amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
I talked about this a little bit earlier the final
Green Goblin Fight and Spider Man one Sam Raimi, Yeah,
or the Apartment Green Goblin Fight and No Way Home.

Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
Oh that's hard, that's so hard.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
I have mine, got it? Yeah, all right, one, two, three, Spider.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Man one, Yeah, locked, locked, I say there, yeah, Spider
Man one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
It's no music, visceral, emotional like even the climax of it,
the final line of willing Dafoe, who's great. Don't tell
Harry like everything about that fight, Like I feel like
in No Way Home, wille Dafoe is so good because
he's fully like unhinged like Goblin, where it's like here
he's like unhinged. But also like this is Peter getting

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like the ever loving snot beat out of Like this
is him learning a lesson, right. Also, I think it's
like the best example of a superhero digging deep to
like defeat the villain because like he was gonna get
he was gonna get killed.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Yeah, it was, remember and I remember watching that as
a kid and being so uncomfortable, yes, being like.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Oh, yes, you know, like Lowki closed your eyes.

Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it was.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
I think I closed my eyes a few times when
I was a kid when like Green Goblin gotten palled
on the glider, like not wanting to see that, you know,
especially like there's like a moment where like there's like
a zoom in on one of the Foe's face and
he like snaps back into being Norman. He goes, oh,
and then he gets hit by the by the glider.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Yes, like oh my god, my gosh, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Like that's such a fucking great scene, like all around
that moment preceded by the people of New York helping
Spider Man out, just helping him brother out.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
You know, it's just everything that leads up to it.
It's great.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
Yeah, they're so good.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
I just love the New York moments and the Spider
Man movies like where the citizens like kind of like
are allowed to be citizens talk like the train scene
and Spider Man where like they're looking at him and say,
we won't tell nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Oh it makes me cry, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
The Spider Man movies are all like all of them
are such an homage in New York.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
They operate at their best when they treat New York
as a character totally.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
That's when I feel for it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
Yeah you know, I mean, come on, like even the
Spider Man Tom Holland movies.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Hey you're the Spider Guy from YouTube, right, these are
characters like this is like it's all about like people.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
I mean, the sandwich shop guy got some love, yeah,
come on man, yeah man, all right, So we got okay,
this is a three parter. Oh wow, and you've heard
this one. You've probably answered this one a bunch of times.
And I think we might have the same answer Toby,
Andrew or Tom just in general. Yeah, just out of

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these three. Okay, all right, you got it? Yeah, okay, one, two, three, Toby,
I am yeah, Tom.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
Toby is my favorite Spider Man. I think Tom is
the best Spider Man. Okay, I feel that that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
I just feel like he's been able to like check
all of the boxes. If I'm gonna put on a
Spider Man movie, it's gonna be spider Man one, two,
or three any day of the week.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
But that's just what I want to see.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
But I feel like giving credit where credits due, Like
Tom Holands. You watch the audition, Tavy's doing backflips and stuff.
I'm like, dude, this guy just like is getting out.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
I remember when he got cast and I saw that
backflip and I say, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
And he's like young enough to feel like a kid,
but like you still believe him in the fight scenes.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
I don't know, Yeah, I respect it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Okay, No, I listen, none of these answers are wrong, Like, yeah,
none of these answers are wrong. Like I know that
Andrew fans are screaming right now. But Toby, he's just
for nostalgia. Reasons purely and just for that, I know
that's my guy, Like you know, he just reminds me
of me, Like you know. I met Toby at the

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after party for the movie Babylon that he was in,
and this was my first time like being like like
to a celebrity.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
I got to see this person. I don't care if
they hate me.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
After I'm walking over there, I'm talking to this guy
total and I have to talk to him.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
I did the same thing with Sam Raimi too.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
I had to let him and say, I know, like, yo,
because of what you did in this like franchise.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
I'm here where I'm at.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
These are the movies that started everything, which is exactly
you know, And like I don't care if you I
told him, I don't care if you don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
I just needed to tell you that. So that way,
Like were they cool?

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Oh, Tom, they were both cool, saying I didn't get
drunk with him, but sam Urami got really drunk at
the after party verson madness, and I felt like we
connected a little bit on that Toby was chilling, Like
Toby doesn't really like talking to a lot of people.
If that makes this he doesn't like to do press.
He doesn't like to do a lot of things, so, like,
you know, he's just a very private person. He's a
private person, and like me, knowing this, I would just

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kind of like, listen, man, I totally straight up, I said, listen,
I know you don't like to talk to a lot
of people.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
I know you just chilling whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
I just want you to know how much your performance
meant to me, my career and just who I am
as a person. It literally created this person that you're
looking at right now. And he was super grateful for that.
He was like, yeah, my god, cool. And I know
he doesn't like taking picture, so he took a picture
with me, and I felt good about it. Oh dude,
let's go, felt really good about it. So yeah, I
always had that for Toby. So as much as I
love Andrew and Tom and I think they're both all

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three are great perfect Spider Man, Toby is my guy.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
Yeah, I feel you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
All right, this is a big one.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Okay, this is a big one, and I might judge
a little bit, not really, but I might not really,
but I could into the Spider verse or across the
Spider Verse, the thoughts, the thought, Okay, you're like jaw

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stuck out on that one. He was like, look that
was your thinking, jaw. Are you ready all right?

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Three? Two?

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
One? Across the Spider Verse discuss Okay, now listen, none
of these is wrong, but I want to curious.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
I want to hear why, Okay, why were you? Like
I could judge for this one?

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Yesically so so again, I feel like people who like
Into the Spider Verse and people who like Across the
Spider Verse are two different movie watching people.

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
That's interesting. I don't okay, yeah, let me let me hear.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Yeah, so Into the Spider Verse. So here's that's unfair?
Are you kidding? Okay? No, no, no, no no, just
like I'm out of here, Spider Man out.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
But I feel like Into the Spider Verse has a
better like beginning, middle end story where like there's like
an actual goal that needs to be accomplished and it
gets accomplished and everything that happens along the way is fantastic.
The characters are great, the animation is great. It changes
the way we see animation period. Let alone in a
Spider Man story, and it's a celebration of Spider Man, right,

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like you know, talking about the popsicles, talking about like
you know, the perfect Spider Man versus, like the struggling
Spider Man and like, don't do it like me, do
it like you. Even though that's a trailer line didn't
happen in the movie. Across the Spider Verse takes that
theme of do your own thing takes it further. Now one,
I feel like, from an animation standpoint, an artistry standpoint,
I feel like it's the best form of animation that

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we've ever seen in an animated movie period. What's happening
with when Stacy's entire like that animation, it's nuts. Well
when we go to the Indian like Spider Man World, amazing, right,
everything everything that is shot, it is shot with purpose.
I feel like every like moment you could take and

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put it on a wall. And I feel like, in
terms of like actually experiencing a piece of art, Across
the Spider Verse is a piece of art. Every piece
of music is not part of like a soundtrack that
just like you know, and I'm not accusing into the
Spider versus this, but the soundtrack into the Spider Verse
is like, how do we hype you up for like
these hype moments? It's very soundtracky, right, Whereas I feel

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like across the Spider Verse, it's more of like score emotion,
like how do we tell a story through visual and music?

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
It's almost like it's almost like a form of synesthesia.

Speaker 4 (01:29:18):
Yeah, it's right. It's like he's just much more purposeful.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Like when I hear self love being played as when
Stacey walks through this like ever changing like oil painting world.
It does something to me. When I see Miles being
surrounded by a bunch of different Spider Man in this
like dark room and the way he's highlighted, it does
something to me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
It moves me.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
God.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
You know what's so funny, man, is it's been It's
been a long time since I've seen either of those.

Speaker 4 (01:29:44):
And when you ask me that question, I was like, oh, man,
I really liked both of those a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
They're both I could go either way then, and I
was like, well, I kind of like the soundtrack a
lot of it, and I think I like the soundtrack
better of Into the Spider Verse, but I think the
soundtrack is more.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
Pro Yes, yes, exactly exactly, Like I feel like this
movie is the more mature version, not sense of like
darkness and things like that, but it just feels like
We're maturing with Miles, and the movie matures with Miles
as well, because the story, the story may not be

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a better like be in a middle end story where
there's like a clear goal, because I think the goal
changes a lot throughout the movie. There's not really like
a thing to be done. But what I feel like
is like it's a movie about Miles learning that he
doesn't need to fit the mode of what a Spider
Man is.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
You can fight back against the system, even if that
system is something like how you save the day? How
how are you supposed to suffer? Right? He's like, I
have the individuality to be in this space and say
I am who I am. It's my perspective that's going
to change everything here. And I love the conversation that

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he has with his mom when she says, you're gonna
go places, You're gonna see some fantastic things, and you are,
but I need you to not lose who you are, right,
and him wanting to be part of the Spider society
so bad, only to see that like, even though they
have good intentions, it's a flawed system. That's when the
line I'm gonna do my own thing works perfectly so like,
I feel like it's a very mature story. Me.

Speaker 4 (01:31:22):
Think about this on a whole level right now.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
I love across the Spider Verse so much.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
I do, And like, you know, a lot of people say, ooh,
the to be continued, like I want a full movie,
like it doesn't have. I'm like, some of the best
stories have to be continued, like Empire strikes Back, like
is one, and I feel like this is the Empire
strikes Back of superhero movies, along with Invinity War.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
And I feel like the story ends or like there
is a cap to the story because Miles learns what
he needs to be and that sets us up for
the third movie. That's what That's what the story is, right,
It's a character driven story, and so I also like it,
like it also challenged what I thought Spider Man to be,
which I mentioned at the top.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Of the pot. Spider Man is a character that a
lot of people define.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
By his struggle, right, and like these are Spider Man
who are like, we have to struggle, like if we
can't stop it, and Miles is just like why yeah, right,
I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:17):
And being like, yeah, why are we struggling?

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Yeah? And I love that that's welcome to my Ted talk.

Speaker 4 (01:32:21):
Yeah, that's cool. It's a great take on it. It
really is. Got Where are they at with with the
latest one of those?

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
I don't have the answer.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
I'm just waiting at this point. People ask me that
all the time, like how do you feel about like
not getting it? And I'm like, I'm just waiting, bro,
Like I'm just like, when it comes, it comes. Until
then we have friendly neighborhood Spider Man. That's right, that's right,
we have that, man. But dude, thank you so much
for coming on the pot.

Speaker 4 (01:32:47):
Dude, thanks for having It's just so fun. Yeah, it's
so good to see you, to see you too, man,
this is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Do you have anything to plug your music anything else
you're going to be in?

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
Yeah, yeah, you know obviously Spider Man. But I just
put out an now actually it's called Bambino and it's
out now streaming on all the stuff, and we're booking
lots of shows.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
And yeah, is this a childish reference or a baseball
reference or a Sandlout reference?

Speaker 4 (01:33:15):
So, God, did you are on it?

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
It?

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
Actually?

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
So, my dad got remarried when I was like eleven
twelve is years old, and I had like growing up
like a really small family. It was like my dad,
a couple of grandparents. I grew up out here in
La and my dad got remarried in like overnight, my
family grew.

Speaker 4 (01:33:36):
By like a billion people. Wow, he married this into
this huge Sicilian family.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
Okay, so just like all these like really like boisterous
Italian people. And I was like, you know, like the
youngest kind of person who has entered this family I married.
So was like Bambino, Bnbino, Bambino. And this album like
was very coming of age for me. It like happened
like it kind of like a very heavy my life
like kind of figuring out a lot of stuff working

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not working in my personal life. And I just like
really associate coming of age with the word bambino because
it was like kind of like this term of like endearment.

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
But it's also a out of the sandlot one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
Because that would be age movie.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
I just introduced my girlfriend to that, Oh did you Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
You know what, I don't think my girlfriend's ever seen
that is a great idea.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
Dude, seriously, and then like let me know like what
she thinks of it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
So so like like.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
I say, I introduced my girlfriend to it, but like
in reality, like she's from a Dominican republic, so she watched.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
She grew up there for about.

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
Twenty years, and it's in baseball capital the freaking world,
I know, right, And so like she the title there
is different.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
So when I said the sandlot she was like, what
is that?

Speaker 4 (01:34:51):
But had she seen it?

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
She's seen it, but she was like, oh, I've seen
this in Spanish and I only saw when I was
like when I.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Was like younger.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
Yeah, So I was just kind of like, oh, well,
what's the like title of the movie, and it's like
something I think it's called like a Baseball History or something.
No History of a Summer is what is translated to
in English. So like to her, I was like, oh,
the Sandlai and she's like, I've never heard this. And
then when I showed when we first started twenty minutes
into the movie, she goes, I saw this.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
It was in Spanish.

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
You must be referring to the Dominican classic History.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
Of a Summer. And I was like, that makes a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
So now like with the iconic line, you're hurting me bigs,
Like I was different, it's Biggs everything music.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
See I need to, Like, I'm listen.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
Now that we're dating, I'm gonna learn some Spanish and
I'm gonna just watch a whole bunch of my favorite
movies and Spanish to get those different like translations.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Yeah, because I hear Shrek is ten times funnier in Spanish.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
I hear like literally, the Spanish communy will always tell
me like, yo, re Shrek is way funnier in Spanish. WHOA, Like,
it's like a universal thing.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
I actually speak from Spanish. I'm gonna try that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Oh, please watch it and please let me know because apparently,
like the actor who voices Shrek is like this super
like hilarious like comedian. Oh and like they say his delivery,
the jokes are like slightly different.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
It's like you will literally.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
See the jokes in a whole new light, and they
just say it's just funnier. Oh man, that's brill I
get people in my comments section like, yo, watch Wreck
and Spanish. It's so funny specific yeah funny, so yeah man,
but it's seriously thank you so much for coming on.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
Man, oh man, thanks for having me.

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