August 23, 2025 • 22 mins
The director of the sports horror movie HIM stops by to talk merging sports with horror and how he has Steph Curry to thank.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wake up?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Did you time to go to work? All right? Can
we talk about we go back in it? Get it?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Wake up?
Speaker 4 (00:09):
I get it that get at that goal with everyone
saying that mom nest, it's not my father, the vocals
a goal, that making that it's a wucky that my
nighbor is a movie the way that that role they're
saying it with people. Baby, you know, I'm making everybody
upset because we.
Speaker 5 (00:21):
The best we get and I know we gonna get bread.
We gonna get bread. I'm gonna get bread, gonna get bread.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We gonna get bread.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
What's going everybody? At your boy? Juju Green ak Straw
had goofy your movie guy, And I'm sitting here with
the director of him justin tipping. How's it going, bro?
So good? Yeah? Chilling, chilling. I saw you being real
active outside.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Yeah yeah, I actually I'm lying I'm hot because I
was just throwing I was throwing footballs.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
But you look pretty good though.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
You know. I saw you on that Agility test Man
like that agil You was good, bro?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Did you beat everything?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I missed one? I was I was trying to be
Tyreek that was my own and then I missed one.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I was like, yeah, a little cocky, Yeah, a little bit.
In order to be him, you gotta be a little cocky,
little arrogant a little bit. So you just locked in.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I locked in.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
You teated this, you teetd a material. I saw this
movie a couple of days ago, and I was just
about to tell you it's one of those movies that,
like you just can't stop thinking about. There's a lot
of symbolism and metaphor that's kind of like baked into it, right,
And I don't want to get like so far in
the spoilers because like obviously the movie doesn't come out yet,
but I just want to like ask you, man, like
(01:32):
the idea of a sports like genre in the horror genre,
Like we don't normally see that, right, Like I think
this is like a first of its kind in a
feature length format, and I just want to know what
was the lightning bolt that made you go, we can
we can totally make something like this happen.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
So I I got this and.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It was more like a.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
The the mashup itself trying to take on thematically what
happens when the athlete becomes the commodity and the American
football itself is so violent or can be violent, that
there's inherent body horror. Yeah, so I think once once
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that's all started to like hit the Sam Venn diagram
of horror, what does it take.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
To be the greatest of all time? And uh yeah,
the it all it just made sense.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Yeah, it was more almost just felt than like I
knew exactly what the lightning was. It just just felt right.
And now I can look back and talk about it.
But there was something about the material that just made sense.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, yeah, you have you have what I like to
call the snuggy idea, which which so I listened patent pending.
But what I like to call this, what I like
to call this snuggy idea is an idea that's just
so ridiculously simple and it's so like right there in
your face, and it makes so much sense. But for
some reason, nobody has thought of it before. Right like
blank with sleeves. It's like, oh, of course, like that's
(03:13):
it's a slam dunk, right. And so what you just
said about you know football, how gladiatorial it is, how
like inherently body horror, it is, like that makes perfect
sense to like set a horror, especially when we talk
about what does it take to be the greatest of
all time? Which is a question that I really want
to get into you with this. Well, not mostly a question,
more of an observation, right. I love the title of
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Him because, like you know, obviously, the phrasing of him
is like so baked into our cultural DNA language wise
of like him equals the greatest of all time? Right,
you are that guy, You're that one. And what I
find funny is that in order to be him, in
order to be the greatest of all time, you have
to be him. And the greatest of all time means goat.
Goat is mostly associated with paganism, like evil Satan in
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a way, him, in its secret type of way, is
giving us what the movie is about, right, like sacrifices
to the devil and like the occult and things of
that sort. Was that like, was that something that like
when it came to the titling of this movie, something
you thought about?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Yeah, absolutely fun story anecdote. It was originally called Goat. Okay,
then Steph Curry bought the rights to that bar, So
shout out Steph for stealing the as they steal. I
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have the first to just drop the cash necessary to
trademark Goat.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I think he's making an animated.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Just dropped like like a week ago, so that's why.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
But I think it was a blessing disguise for sure,
because as soon as that got taken, it was like,
well what then, And honestly, I think that looking back,
it's like, this is more.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
This is way more.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Nuanced and crosses you know, both like music and fashion
and and sports so and and the religious iconography that
comes with it.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
You know, It's that's a funny story, bro, because because
I'm over here thinking, like.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
I was like totally just like yeah, of course, the like, no,
what happened?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Was currye Curry about it?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I was literally I was literally like, like I said,
it's a movie that I just like every little bit
of it I can't stop thinking about. And like the
I made that realization. I do this a lot. I
just sit up at night and I just think about
like movies and theories and stuff like that. And I
was just thinking to myself, Hill Goat, Goat is evil
and then the simple answer is just Steph Curry.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
But there is but there is, yeah, there is the
So there's a lot of I grew up Catholic Filipino,
So there's there, and there is a lot of religious
iconography kind of throughout and him is also in relation
to him, and there's a lot of what I was
in the back of my mind for the subconscious stuff
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was the story of the scapegoat, which that is.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
The scapegoat.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
And religious context, like there's two goats sacrifice and they
carry all the sins of the people, and the scapegoat
is the one that gets sent into the wilderness and
doesn't return, and then there's a blood sacrifice. And I
always found that fascinating in terms of like celebrity worship
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and athletes, where who holds all the weight of the
people and we treat them like we get angry and
yell and like how could you do that? You've offended
me and my family and my ancestors for dropping a catch.
But that feeling that.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You don't get serious the sports get serious like.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
That, you get serious and it and so by tapping
into the weight, like that gravity of divinity in these
these like mass cultural events and so yeah, so yes, yes,
and not only paganism, but absolutely yeah, Like I was
working with all those things.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You know, what's so interesting to me is that I
had a question that I was going to ask, and
I think you already answered it with like, you know,
the choice to do football over any sport, right, because
you could have said I'm him in basketball, I'm him
in golf, like you know, like you could do that anywhere,
but football, I feel is the only sport American football,
I should say, because you know, international football kind of
has like an element of this as well, is that
(07:48):
it almost has like a cult following and a cult
like almost sensibility to it in and of itself, like
you know, the tailgating of the fans, like what fans
are willing to do dress up wise, you know what
I'm saying, Like you said, they think that you offendit
their entire ancestorhood dropping a pass. You know, there's there's
there's a coldness to it, even like the ritual kind
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of like putting on the helmet, coming out the tunnel,
like the hero work, the worshiping of the heroes and
things like that. It's very gladatorial. So was there at
any point just kind of like maybe we should go
into a different direction of like basketball or any other sport.
Was football always the one to go to?
Speaker 5 (08:26):
The football was always the one to go to. That's
kind of where it started originally, and there was never
really like what if. Yeah, it was just how yeah,
But not to say that it can't be franchised.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I mean, let's look at the cameras, keep one more time.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Franchised.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Just saying, listen, I would like to see.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Him basketball, her golf, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Oh no, her tennis.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Oh you see what I say.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
You see what I'm saying, wasn't I'm pretty sure sorry,
you know, Rick Ross was a tennis player, the drug dealer.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Wait what from south from South central?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
What?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah? We had fact checked on this.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
But we'll get fact checked on it.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
But I'm pretty sure he got tennis itself was like
too racist to like it was just like you know
really and but he wanted to be like a tennis player.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
And that's why I didn't go to like school.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
The selling drugs and became like the ricks.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Anyway, we're making a new movie together.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Listen her tennis listening. I want to see that racket
with the blood off the poster, like like we're giving
ideas right here, man, we're doing the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
So Damn. Sorry, that's a good tangent.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
No, No, it's all good. No, we're good. We're good
him him, that's what we're talking about. Uh. One another
thing that I really liked about this movie because again
it keeps having me thinking, is the language that is
used within this movie. Like there's this quote that that
Marlon says in this movie where he says he died
for us, so I do it for him, right? And
I feel like that's such a loaded quote, right because
(10:11):
you can like take that as like, oh, we're talking
about Jesus, we're talking about God the Trinity, or we're
talking about him down below, you know what I'm saying. Yes,
So I just want to know, man, like when it
comes to like film and the occult and like kind
of like marrying that with real life and kind of
like in a way shining a light on that, how
how do you see like the relationship between like real
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life or cult and like what you're trying to portray
like on screen, Like was there any research going into
that at.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
All, like actually connecting a cult to professional athletes, I
mean people?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
The research I did was pop culture.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Because those like so many people have the theories that
how could Tom Brady play as long as he can?
How could Lebron twenty years? And what does that actually
look like? What does that actually take?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
And like.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
So in fact, yeah, I remember just watching Everybodys with
Tom Brady and I'm just talking to someone some other
young quarterback, and it's like, oh, let me get your youth.
Oh like I'm like, that's fucking I don't even have
to try, right right, like because the most yeah, most athletes,
it's their whole identity in personhood, and the tragedy for
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them is it ends and then they have to live
the rest of their life. Whereas like Picasso or you know,
could paint up until it's deathbed right like the thing
you love and you can like service to.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
The world you can do forever.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
But for athletes, there has there is going to be
a death definitive day to hang them up.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And I don't even know what we're talking about. Answer
the question, no, I think you did.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I think you did because I like what you said.
When there's like a difference between kind of like, you know,
athletes and I want to say like artists, you can
make an argument that you know, being an athlete is
a form of art and of itself just more physical.
But I made this distinction when I was talking about
like Denzel Washington, right, and just like actors that are
kind of like getting up their age actors and directors
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where they can act until like you know, the day
of their death, like we've seen it before. But what
I find interesting in that is that I'm like, now
I'm like losing the train of thought where I was going, like,
we don't think of talented directors and actors kind of
like retiring because they can do it forever. And if
they're doing it at such a long pace, I'm thinking
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to myself, there really is no drop off, Like what
did they give up? Did they kind of like have
to go through something like did they have the sacrifice?
There's a lot of sacrifice in creating those types of things.
So this is a big roundabout philosophical way to ask
you what creatives who are still operating at such a
high level that you think to yourself, they had to
have made some type of deal.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
To make it mean trouble.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
It doesn't have to be like a serious thing. But
like I look at someone like I'll give you one.
I'll give you one, Like I want to say like
George Miller, Right, George Miller has been working for it
a long time. Martin Scorsese has been working for it
a long time, and you would think that like at
some point they would just be kind of like, I
got no ideas left. But there's still like forty years
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in like going just making like great stuff. So is
there any like talent that like you either look up
to that's just so amazing that you're just kind of
like how right, Like how are they doing this?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Yeah? Every day I wake up, I get ready, I
look in the mirror, and that's I just go, damn,
how do you.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Do because you're a hilp, Like, yeah, how is Quentin
Tarantino still making movies?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Like how do you do it? No?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I think you sor I think is like a goat. Yeah,
and I absolutely.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Have stolen so many things. And hope someone's like, yeah,
that's justin the Scorsese from the Bay, you know. I
think that he's one of those those legends, and I
think it's like yeah, but there is something else to
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that though, because I think that everyone in the world,
film fans, filmmakers, like everyone can direct at least one film.
I believe like everyone has their story to tell that
only they could tell, and so what are you waiting around?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Go do it?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
But they can't.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
But then the differences a career as a director is
very different. Then you're entering like a whole new side
of of like a mental, psychological, emotional like regimen. And like,
so I have respect because it's not an easy industry.
And going and making a movie is like a daunting task.
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It feels actually going to war, and and and so
I think there's similarities to like anyone who's great at
what they do has figured out something, how to persevere,
how to be resilient, all those things, all like the
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Kobe you know, methodology and just studying everyone else's ever
great at what they do.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Can I tell you something now that you mentioned Kobe,
because Kobe's like my idol, and I've only met one,
I met quite a few. But like the person who's
closest to Kobe, and like the Hollywood like sense, right
is Tom Cruise? Right? Like Tom, Like I getting a
chance to speak to Tom, he just has this level of
like focus and dedication and just a little bit of insanity.
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And I say that the nicest way Tom right when
it comes like an obsession, right, you need a little
bit of yeah, right, And and so I look at
people like him. I look at like Christopher Nolan, you
know what I'm saying, and like what they're doing. I
look at Ryan Coogler, right, and I look at Steven Spielberg,
who just has this like unparalleled level of focused attention
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and detail that only like they can do right. And
it's something that is like a I'm not a director,
but like just as a creative, like something to aspire to,
because like you saw what Christopher Nolan did with like
you know, selling out an IMAX screening of The Odyssey
a year before it even comes out, and it's like
it felt like we just came out of the whole
Oppenheimer thing, and we just came out of Tenant before that,
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and it's just constantly like working out the craft and
trying to improve the crash. James Cameron is one of
those guys too, absolutely, you know what I'm saying. So, like,
you know, Jordan Peel, like he's one of those guys
that you know obviously you've like really close with him.
It's just like every time he makes something like people
sit up and go, Okay, we're buckling in because you
know they're going to put that attention to detail in it,
and so I think it's like very interesting. I always
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like to equate like movie making to kind of like
sports because there is a level of like focus that
goes into it, right, Yeah, and so and when I
watch your movie and seeing like the attention to detail
that you put into it to like make people think, like,
there's this one moment and it was at the beginning
of the movie where like obviously you know the team
is the Saviors and they're playing against the Masons, and
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I'm just thinking, like whoa wait a minute, like I
have to like stop for a second. I said, it's
already happening. Like I thought you was gonna give me
a little wee wait here, can you talk to me
about kind of like that little easter egg in the movie.
Was that's just something fun that you want to do
that just pluses up the movie or were you like, hey.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
I would say, throughout every scene in the movie, there's
something m h.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And I'm excited for Redd Edge to do their thing.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Yeah, there's so many, so many And that was actually
the fun of working with like Jordan and Monkey Paw
was also we know that, like I knew that it
was part of even the culture there, and but that
that was absolutely a also shout out Taylor Taylor Mason's editor. Hey,
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she's from a Atlanta Okay. So it was like we
had created this team called a fake league, and one
of the teams was worth the Atlanta Masons.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
And it had nothing to do with Taylor at first. Sorry,
but it became.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
But then but then.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
When we were sitting there looking at the visual effects
and all that stuff, Yeah, there's some there's some just
right off the bat, like get you ready for like
we're not pulling punches right, We're We're aware of what
we're doing. There's a level of like meta. I think
I love a good meta throughout. I love a good meta.
Uh so cute.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Talk to me about your relationship with Marlin, because you know,
we talked about him a little bit before we started,
and you know, obviously, like I said, we've been watching
them for a long time. And I feel like a
lot of people audiences see him in one way, right, comedically,
Like right, he's a comedic goat, as we all know,
he's a comedic him, but this is a different role
than people are seeing them as especially if we haven't
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watched like, uh, what's the work room for a dream? Right,
Like I I would bust his boss and also bring
up dungeons and dragons. I think he wants people to
forget about that. Well, but we go, we go talk
about it, but I forgot.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I forgot.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
No, That's why. Yeah, this is I'm him when it
comes to movies. So but I feel like this is
like different, and I want to I want you to
talk to me about like his approach to doing a
role like this and like his dedication to that.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
He I can't wait for the world to see his performance.
I'm so excited for him to get his flowers and
all the things and like cause.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Damn yeah, incredible.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
But we when we were first talking, I mean the
casting period was also like I wanted somebody older, you.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Know, studio and stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Was already talking about someone younger who had the body, right,
I'm like, absolutely not. I gotta age them down, got
to like you gotta have an actual goat. He's an
actual go to.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Got to have that to in this world, right.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
And he you know, we grew up where like Richard
Pryor was coming into his house when he was like eight,
has stories about it, and just growing up around that
level of fame and that level of celebrity and the
amount of experiences that were in parallel with the story
we're trying to do. We were talking and he was
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pulling from from all kinds of places to add to
and make better and elevate. And I mean, if you
I was gonna say no offense, but also offensively. If
you look at his before photos, before he started training
and working out, he like transformed his body like it
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was like insane and like a very short amount of time.
And I think part of his he could speak to
this better, but part of his physical transformation went hand
in hand with his emotional stated where he were he
was at in life, and so it kind of coalesced
where I think you could feel it on screen and
in the character. And I like to improv, and so
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a lot of it too would be doing takes and
then I would just throw things at him. And then
at a certain point we got to such a groove
where I would just look at him as like takes
for going, and I just you know, I can't do that,
and he does, and then it was like we didn't
have to say anything. There was nothing community other than
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like a look and then he'd go off script and
like he just knew when to do it.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
So yeah, he's incredible. My god, I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I can't wait for you to see this either. But
thank you so much for talking to me about this,
the performance in him, your direction, man, and I can't
wait for a Reddit to do its thing when it comes.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I can't wait. There's so much. We could be here
for hours.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I also can't wait for a step Curry to see
this episode. You know, let's see what.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
He's mister Curry, your people will call my people.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Actually know your invited to the premiere though.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
You're the goat him. Let's get it together, just mash
them up.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I'm sitting here with Justin Tipping. I'm once again Juju
Green aka your movie guy, and as always, we'll catch
you next time when we talk about the next movie.
Wake up?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Did you time to go to work? All right? Can
we talk about we go back in it? Get it?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Wake up?
Speaker 4 (00:09):
I get it that get at that goal with everyone
saying that mom nest, it's not my father, the vocals
a goal, that making that it's a wucky that my
nighbor is a movie the way that that role they're
saying it with people. Baby, you know, I'm making everybody
upset because we.
Speaker 5 (00:21):
The best we get and I know we gonna get bread.
We gonna get bread. I'm gonna get bread, gonna get bread.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We gonna get bread.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
What's going everybody? At your boy? Juju Green ak Straw
had goofy your movie guy, And I'm sitting here with
the director of him justin tipping. How's it going, bro?
So good? Yeah? Chilling, chilling. I saw you being real
active outside.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Yeah yeah, I actually I'm lying I'm hot because I
was just throwing I was throwing footballs.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
But you look pretty good though.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
You know. I saw you on that Agility test Man
like that agil You was good, bro?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Did you beat everything?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I missed one? I was I was trying to be
Tyreek that was my own and then I missed one.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I was like, yeah, a little cocky, Yeah, a little bit.
In order to be him, you gotta be a little cocky,
little arrogant a little bit. So you just locked in.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I locked in.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
You teated this, you teetd a material. I saw this
movie a couple of days ago, and I was just
about to tell you it's one of those movies that,
like you just can't stop thinking about. There's a lot
of symbolism and metaphor that's kind of like baked into it, right,
And I don't want to get like so far in
the spoilers because like obviously the movie doesn't come out yet,
but I just want to like ask you, man, like
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the idea of a sports like genre in the horror genre,
Like we don't normally see that, right, Like I think
this is like a first of its kind in a
feature length format, and I just want to know what
was the lightning bolt that made you go, we can
we can totally make something like this happen.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
So I I got this and.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It was more like a.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
The the mashup itself trying to take on thematically what
happens when the athlete becomes the commodity and the American
football itself is so violent or can be violent, that
there's inherent body horror. Yeah, so I think once once
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that's all started to like hit the Sam Venn diagram
of horror, what does it take.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
To be the greatest of all time? And uh yeah,
the it all it just made sense.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Yeah, it was more almost just felt than like I
knew exactly what the lightning was. It just just felt right.
And now I can look back and talk about it.
But there was something about the material that just made sense.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, yeah, you have you have what I like to
call the snuggy idea, which which so I listened patent pending.
But what I like to call this, what I like
to call this snuggy idea is an idea that's just
so ridiculously simple and it's so like right there in
your face, and it makes so much sense. But for
some reason, nobody has thought of it before. Right like
blank with sleeves. It's like, oh, of course, like that's
(03:13):
it's a slam dunk, right. And so what you just
said about you know football, how gladiatorial it is, how
like inherently body horror, it is, like that makes perfect
sense to like set a horror, especially when we talk
about what does it take to be the greatest of
all time? Which is a question that I really want
to get into you with this. Well, not mostly a question,
more of an observation, right. I love the title of
(03:34):
Him because, like you know, obviously, the phrasing of him
is like so baked into our cultural DNA language wise
of like him equals the greatest of all time? Right,
you are that guy, You're that one. And what I
find funny is that in order to be him, in
order to be the greatest of all time, you have
to be him. And the greatest of all time means goat.
Goat is mostly associated with paganism, like evil Satan in
(04:00):
a way, him, in its secret type of way, is
giving us what the movie is about, right, like sacrifices
to the devil and like the occult and things of
that sort. Was that like, was that something that like
when it came to the titling of this movie, something
you thought about?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Yeah, absolutely fun story anecdote. It was originally called Goat. Okay,
then Steph Curry bought the rights to that bar, So
shout out Steph for stealing the as they steal. I
(04:37):
have the first to just drop the cash necessary to
trademark Goat.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I think he's making an animated.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Just dropped like like a week ago, so that's why.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
But I think it was a blessing disguise for sure,
because as soon as that got taken, it was like,
well what then, And honestly, I think that looking back,
it's like, this is more.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
This is way more.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Nuanced and crosses you know, both like music and fashion
and and sports so and and the religious iconography that
comes with it.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
You know, It's that's a funny story, bro, because because
I'm over here thinking, like.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
I was like totally just like yeah, of course, the like, no,
what happened?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Was currye Curry about it?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I was literally I was literally like, like I said,
it's a movie that I just like every little bit
of it I can't stop thinking about. And like the
I made that realization. I do this a lot. I
just sit up at night and I just think about
like movies and theories and stuff like that. And I
was just thinking to myself, Hill Goat, Goat is evil
and then the simple answer is just Steph Curry.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
But there is but there is, yeah, there is the
So there's a lot of I grew up Catholic Filipino,
So there's there, and there is a lot of religious
iconography kind of throughout and him is also in relation
to him, and there's a lot of what I was
in the back of my mind for the subconscious stuff
(06:13):
was the story of the scapegoat, which that is.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
The scapegoat.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
And religious context, like there's two goats sacrifice and they
carry all the sins of the people, and the scapegoat
is the one that gets sent into the wilderness and
doesn't return, and then there's a blood sacrifice. And I
always found that fascinating in terms of like celebrity worship
(06:41):
and athletes, where who holds all the weight of the
people and we treat them like we get angry and
yell and like how could you do that? You've offended
me and my family and my ancestors for dropping a catch.
But that feeling that.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You don't get serious the sports get serious like.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
That, you get serious and it and so by tapping
into the weight, like that gravity of divinity in these
these like mass cultural events and so yeah, so yes, yes,
and not only paganism, but absolutely yeah, Like I was
working with all those things.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You know, what's so interesting to me is that I
had a question that I was going to ask, and
I think you already answered it with like, you know,
the choice to do football over any sport, right, because
you could have said I'm him in basketball, I'm him
in golf, like you know, like you could do that anywhere,
but football, I feel is the only sport American football,
I should say, because you know, international football kind of
has like an element of this as well, is that
(07:48):
it almost has like a cult following and a cult
like almost sensibility to it in and of itself, like
you know, the tailgating of the fans, like what fans
are willing to do dress up wise, you know what
I'm saying, Like you said, they think that you offendit
their entire ancestorhood dropping a pass. You know, there's there's
there's a coldness to it, even like the ritual kind
(08:09):
of like putting on the helmet, coming out the tunnel,
like the hero work, the worshiping of the heroes and
things like that. It's very gladatorial. So was there at
any point just kind of like maybe we should go
into a different direction of like basketball or any other sport.
Was football always the one to go to?
Speaker 5 (08:26):
The football was always the one to go to. That's
kind of where it started originally, and there was never
really like what if. Yeah, it was just how yeah,
But not to say that it can't be franchised.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I mean, let's look at the cameras, keep one more time.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Franchised.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Just saying, listen, I would like to see.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Him basketball, her golf, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Oh no, her tennis.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Oh you see what I say.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
You see what I'm saying, wasn't I'm pretty sure sorry,
you know, Rick Ross was a tennis player, the drug dealer.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Wait what from south from South central?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
What?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah? We had fact checked on this.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
But we'll get fact checked on it.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
But I'm pretty sure he got tennis itself was like
too racist to like it was just like you know
really and but he wanted to be like a tennis player.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
And that's why I didn't go to like school.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
The selling drugs and became like the ricks.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Anyway, we're making a new movie together.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Listen her tennis listening. I want to see that racket
with the blood off the poster, like like we're giving
ideas right here, man, we're doing the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
So Damn. Sorry, that's a good tangent.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
No, No, it's all good. No, we're good. We're good
him him, that's what we're talking about. Uh. One another
thing that I really liked about this movie because again
it keeps having me thinking, is the language that is
used within this movie. Like there's this quote that that
Marlon says in this movie where he says he died
for us, so I do it for him, right? And
I feel like that's such a loaded quote, right because
(10:11):
you can like take that as like, oh, we're talking
about Jesus, we're talking about God the Trinity, or we're
talking about him down below, you know what I'm saying. Yes,
So I just want to know, man, like when it
comes to like film and the occult and like kind
of like marrying that with real life and kind of
like in a way shining a light on that, how
how do you see like the relationship between like real
(10:33):
life or cult and like what you're trying to portray
like on screen, Like was there any research going into
that at.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
All, like actually connecting a cult to professional athletes, I
mean people?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
The research I did was pop culture.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Because those like so many people have the theories that
how could Tom Brady play as long as he can?
How could Lebron twenty years? And what does that actually
look like? What does that actually take?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
And like.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
So in fact, yeah, I remember just watching Everybodys with
Tom Brady and I'm just talking to someone some other
young quarterback, and it's like, oh, let me get your youth.
Oh like I'm like, that's fucking I don't even have
to try, right right, like because the most yeah, most athletes,
it's their whole identity in personhood, and the tragedy for
(11:30):
them is it ends and then they have to live
the rest of their life. Whereas like Picasso or you know,
could paint up until it's deathbed right like the thing
you love and you can like service to.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
The world you can do forever.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
But for athletes, there has there is going to be
a death definitive day to hang them up.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And I don't even know what we're talking about. Answer
the question, no, I think you did.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I think you did because I like what you said.
When there's like a difference between kind of like, you know,
athletes and I want to say like artists, you can
make an argument that you know, being an athlete is
a form of art and of itself just more physical.
But I made this distinction when I was talking about
like Denzel Washington, right, and just like actors that are
kind of like getting up their age actors and directors
(12:15):
where they can act until like you know, the day
of their death, like we've seen it before. But what
I find interesting in that is that I'm like, now
I'm like losing the train of thought where I was going, like,
we don't think of talented directors and actors kind of
like retiring because they can do it forever. And if
they're doing it at such a long pace, I'm thinking
(12:35):
to myself, there really is no drop off, Like what
did they give up? Did they kind of like have
to go through something like did they have the sacrifice?
There's a lot of sacrifice in creating those types of things.
So this is a big roundabout philosophical way to ask
you what creatives who are still operating at such a
high level that you think to yourself, they had to
have made some type of deal.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
To make it mean trouble.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
It doesn't have to be like a serious thing. But
like I look at someone like I'll give you one.
I'll give you one, Like I want to say like
George Miller, Right, George Miller has been working for it
a long time. Martin Scorsese has been working for it
a long time, and you would think that like at
some point they would just be kind of like, I
got no ideas left. But there's still like forty years
(13:23):
in like going just making like great stuff. So is
there any like talent that like you either look up
to that's just so amazing that you're just kind of
like how right, Like how are they doing this?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Yeah? Every day I wake up, I get ready, I
look in the mirror, and that's I just go, damn,
how do you.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Do because you're a hilp, Like, yeah, how is Quentin
Tarantino still making movies?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Like how do you do it? No?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I think you sor I think is like a goat. Yeah,
and I absolutely.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Have stolen so many things. And hope someone's like, yeah,
that's justin the Scorsese from the Bay, you know. I
think that he's one of those those legends, and I
think it's like yeah, but there is something else to
(14:21):
that though, because I think that everyone in the world,
film fans, filmmakers, like everyone can direct at least one film.
I believe like everyone has their story to tell that
only they could tell, and so what are you waiting around?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Go do it?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
But they can't.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
But then the differences a career as a director is
very different. Then you're entering like a whole new side
of of like a mental, psychological, emotional like regimen. And like,
so I have respect because it's not an easy industry.
And going and making a movie is like a daunting task.
(15:04):
It feels actually going to war, and and and so
I think there's similarities to like anyone who's great at
what they do has figured out something, how to persevere,
how to be resilient, all those things, all like the
(15:25):
Kobe you know, methodology and just studying everyone else's ever
great at what they do.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Can I tell you something now that you mentioned Kobe,
because Kobe's like my idol, and I've only met one,
I met quite a few. But like the person who's
closest to Kobe, and like the Hollywood like sense, right
is Tom Cruise? Right? Like Tom, Like I getting a
chance to speak to Tom, he just has this level of
like focus and dedication and just a little bit of insanity.
(15:52):
And I say that the nicest way Tom right when
it comes like an obsession, right, you need a little
bit of yeah, right, And and so I look at
people like him. I look at like Christopher Nolan, you
know what I'm saying, and like what they're doing. I
look at Ryan Coogler, right, and I look at Steven Spielberg,
who just has this like unparalleled level of focused attention
(16:13):
and detail that only like they can do right. And
it's something that is like a I'm not a director,
but like just as a creative, like something to aspire to,
because like you saw what Christopher Nolan did with like
you know, selling out an IMAX screening of The Odyssey
a year before it even comes out, and it's like
it felt like we just came out of the whole
Oppenheimer thing, and we just came out of Tenant before that,
(16:33):
and it's just constantly like working out the craft and
trying to improve the crash. James Cameron is one of
those guys too, absolutely, you know what I'm saying. So, like,
you know, Jordan Peel, like he's one of those guys
that you know obviously you've like really close with him.
It's just like every time he makes something like people
sit up and go, Okay, we're buckling in because you
know they're going to put that attention to detail in it,
and so I think it's like very interesting. I always
(16:54):
like to equate like movie making to kind of like
sports because there is a level of like focus that
goes into it, right, Yeah, and so and when I
watch your movie and seeing like the attention to detail
that you put into it to like make people think, like,
there's this one moment and it was at the beginning
of the movie where like obviously you know the team
is the Saviors and they're playing against the Masons, and
(17:15):
I'm just thinking, like whoa wait a minute, like I
have to like stop for a second. I said, it's
already happening. Like I thought you was gonna give me
a little wee wait here, can you talk to me
about kind of like that little easter egg in the movie.
Was that's just something fun that you want to do
that just pluses up the movie or were you like, hey.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
I would say, throughout every scene in the movie, there's
something m h.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And I'm excited for Redd Edge to do their thing.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Yeah, there's so many, so many And that was actually
the fun of working with like Jordan and Monkey Paw
was also we know that, like I knew that it
was part of even the culture there, and but that
that was absolutely a also shout out Taylor Taylor Mason's editor. Hey,
(18:01):
she's from a Atlanta Okay. So it was like we
had created this team called a fake league, and one
of the teams was worth the Atlanta Masons.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
And it had nothing to do with Taylor at first. Sorry,
but it became.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
But then but then.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
When we were sitting there looking at the visual effects
and all that stuff, Yeah, there's some there's some just
right off the bat, like get you ready for like
we're not pulling punches right, We're We're aware of what
we're doing. There's a level of like meta. I think
I love a good meta throughout. I love a good meta.
Uh so cute.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Talk to me about your relationship with Marlin, because you know,
we talked about him a little bit before we started,
and you know, obviously, like I said, we've been watching
them for a long time. And I feel like a
lot of people audiences see him in one way, right, comedically,
Like right, he's a comedic goat, as we all know,
he's a comedic him, but this is a different role
than people are seeing them as especially if we haven't
(19:00):
watched like, uh, what's the work room for a dream? Right,
Like I I would bust his boss and also bring
up dungeons and dragons. I think he wants people to
forget about that. Well, but we go, we go talk
about it, but I forgot.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I forgot.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
No, That's why. Yeah, this is I'm him when it
comes to movies. So but I feel like this is
like different, and I want to I want you to
talk to me about like his approach to doing a
role like this and like his dedication to that.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
He I can't wait for the world to see his performance.
I'm so excited for him to get his flowers and
all the things and like cause.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Damn yeah, incredible.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
But we when we were first talking, I mean the
casting period was also like I wanted somebody older, you.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Know, studio and stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Was already talking about someone younger who had the body, right,
I'm like, absolutely not. I gotta age them down, got
to like you gotta have an actual goat. He's an
actual go to.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Got to have that to in this world, right.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
And he you know, we grew up where like Richard
Pryor was coming into his house when he was like eight,
has stories about it, and just growing up around that
level of fame and that level of celebrity and the
amount of experiences that were in parallel with the story
we're trying to do. We were talking and he was
(20:24):
pulling from from all kinds of places to add to
and make better and elevate. And I mean, if you
I was gonna say no offense, but also offensively. If
you look at his before photos, before he started training
and working out, he like transformed his body like it
(20:46):
was like insane and like a very short amount of time.
And I think part of his he could speak to
this better, but part of his physical transformation went hand
in hand with his emotional stated where he were he
was at in life, and so it kind of coalesced
where I think you could feel it on screen and
in the character. And I like to improv, and so
(21:10):
a lot of it too would be doing takes and
then I would just throw things at him. And then
at a certain point we got to such a groove
where I would just look at him as like takes
for going, and I just you know, I can't do that,
and he does, and then it was like we didn't
have to say anything. There was nothing community other than
(21:31):
like a look and then he'd go off script and
like he just knew when to do it.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
So yeah, he's incredible. My god, I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I can't wait for you to see this either. But
thank you so much for talking to me about this,
the performance in him, your direction, man, and I can't
wait for a Reddit to do its thing when it comes.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I can't wait. There's so much. We could be here
for hours.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I also can't wait for a step Curry to see
this episode. You know, let's see what.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
He's mister Curry, your people will call my people.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Actually know your invited to the premiere though.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
You're the goat him. Let's get it together, just mash
them up.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I'm sitting here with Justin Tipping. I'm once again Juju
Green aka your movie guy, and as always, we'll catch
you next time when we talk about the next movie.
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