Sinners, Superman & Straw Hat Goofy

Straw Hat Goofy and Craig chop it up about Sinners Oscars choices, The Peacemaker finale, and the evolution of the show!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Wake up? Did you time to go to work? All right?
Can we talk about it? Get it? Wake up back,
get it that, get it that goal with everyone saying
that up next, it's not my father, the vocals a
goal that making that hit it so fuck that. My
neighbor is a movie the way then that role they
say the people.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Baby, you know I'm making everybody upset because we the
best we get and I know.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
We donning get bread, gunning, get bread, cunning, get breath, cunning,
get bread, donning breath.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
What's going on? Everybody? At your boy? Juju a ka
straw hat goofy. And we're here with another episode of
Get Wrecked with straw Hat Goofy. As you can see,
this is more of a solo episode, just me and
Craig in the pod today in the little studio, just
like you know, shooting the ship. Like what we're gonna
do today is we're gonna give you guys some updates
on where the podcast is at now, because, as you
guys know, we are now part of the iHeartRadio family,

(00:56):
you know where, joining the ranks of legends like Charlottage
and the guy Big Boy. You know what I'm saying,
Elvis Duran, Ryan Seacrest. We're out here. We out here,
are we doing our things. So thank you so much
for subscribing, Thank you so much for downloading, Thanks so
much for listening to the pod, whether it's on YouTube,
whether it's on Spotify, whether it's on iHeartRadio. Now you
better be listening on iHeart Radio. And I feel like
we've leveled up since, like the whole thing, you know,

(01:18):
I feel.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Like a little bit, a little bit, a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
We gotta sign we haven't put up yet, but the
sign looks dope. It is coming in, you know what
I'm saying. I've turned it on a bunch and it
looks beautiful. I can with you guys to see it
like in situation. But yeah, man, like I know you
guys got some questions about what the podcast is gonna
look like, how are we gonna do things? First things first,
I think like a more set a weekly date of

(01:42):
episodes should be a thing, right, Like, I feel like
up until now, we just kind of been doing it
whenever like we get the chance to, because you know,
we're busy as hell, Like you know, I'm always traveling
and stuff like that. But consistency is key, Yes, it is,
and consistency is key, and you guys have been rocking
with us for this podcast for a minute. Despite the inconsistency,
I think, but despite all that, we still get great guests,

(02:05):
have great conversation, we still get great engagement, and I'm
grateful for that. I'm really grateful for that. But so
I think, like, you know, committing to like a Friday
time slot because you know, Friday is when you go
see the movies. You know what I'm saying, That's that's
big movie time. So we want to like kind of
like put our episodes in front of kind of like
these big movies that are coming out week to week basis,

(02:25):
and then like also getting those interviews that like are
kind of like coinciding with it. Like we just literally
had Schola Marti Duina in the studio last week. We
just were putting out the episode tomorrow as of this recording,
and I think I think it goes well in hand
with like, you know, the Peacemaker finale that we just had,
which we'll talk about later in the pod.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's one of the definitely want to talk about that.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
That's one of the big topics I want to get into. So,
like I feel like that's that coinciding with Sholo coming in.
I feel like the timing couldn't have been more perfect.
It was a great conversation, by the way, shoo.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah it was good. It was a really good episode.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yeah, it was a great episode. It's one of my
It was one of my favorite conversations. Some of my
favorite conversations is when we can get a little bit
more like personal, you know what I'm saying it, we
can like, you know, I feel like the conversations around
movies always tend to get that way, especially when you're
in it and you're like, you know, you care about
it so much. And Show clearly cares about Blue Beetle,
he cares about the craft, and like a lot went

(03:17):
down with that production. So the fact that we were
able to like get someone on one time debrief that
that was really cool. So for those you guys, we
got a live stream happening right here on TikTok. So
for those of you guys who are watching live, make
sure you go check out that episode. Make sure you guys,
you know, like subscribe, like make sure when it drops
on YouTube and on iHeartRadio comes out tomorrow. Make sure
you guys check that out as far as like, what's up.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Oh, before you start rolling? That plant was attacking you.
The entire show always a problem. Should we you know
what should we? Yeah? I think we need to just let's.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
This plant, bro? But is this this is a monster, right, Yeah,
it's a monster.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
I don't like.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
I don't like my yo.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
You hit, you hit.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
I put the eighty good thank you and Superman on it.
That get the fuck out the way. God damn, it's
a terrific.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
I think we're good.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
I think we're like, I think we're good for.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Those like listening, it's the whole I had a whole plant,
just like covering up half of my left side of
my body, and I was just I was prepared to
do the whole pot like that. But thank you for
letting me know, because then I got.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
I was gonna say for the solo episode, I couldn't
make it in, so I had another team member can
come come through and set you up. And then when
I saw your cam in the edit, I was.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
That plan the whole time. Well, we got our revenge,
We got our revenge.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Just mushed the ship out of that planet.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
I did that plan channel. I channeled my mister terrific basically,
so like it felt good. It felt good ship for
the coaches as anyone saying, uh, but yeah, I feel
like I mean going back to the whole, like you know,
what's iHeart look like. I think consistency is always the
biggest one. We have access to a bigger audience because

(05:02):
now your boys started popping on the Elvis Durant show.
So like, you know, if you're out there in New York,
you listen to some Elvis Durant, you might catch your boy.
We just actually filmed a segment today this morning. So
downside is I got to get up at like six
thirty in the morning because they're on New York time.
They're already up and at them. They got their coffee
and I'm just like barely waking up. Yeah, al Ica,
is here some movies you can watch this weekend. I

(05:23):
promise my voice don't sound like that. But you know,
I gave um some really good recommendations which we can
also talk to talk to a little bit in this pot.
But no, it's been it's been a lot of fun.
It's been really really cool. They've been a really big help.
I feel like I'm part of the family now, like
they just had the iHeart Music Festival.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah you were you were outside, bro, I was outside.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I was in there. I felt like I was like
part of the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Like me and Big Boy was talking for like a
good thirty thirty minutes, man, and like we were just
talking about, like you know, the industry and like what
this whole thing looks like. Like you know, I've been
La Native, I've been rocking with a big boy my
whole life, you know what I'm saying. And like you
hear back when he was on Power one oh six,
that big Boy like that was just a staple in
the morning, especially when you're like driving to school and whatnot.
So you know they'd be able to like talk to
him in person. We should get him on the pod,

(06:10):
for sure.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
I'm sure you would.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
I'm sure he's down. He gave me, he gave me
the contact, so you know, we can hit him direct
and then like we can see what we get, we
can get going. I don't know if Big Boy is
like a big name like outside of l A. Like
I'm pretty sure because he's.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Well, I mean he was well, No, I'm from Philly. Yeah,
we knew Big Boy.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, he's just big, you know what I'm saying. So
like we can definitely get big Boy in the pod
and we can like you know, chop it up a
little bit like that, so you know, bigger guests like time,
we got prime time slots. You know what I'm saying.
We're hanging Like I was told I can meet Sway,
and I was like, Sway, Sway, I'm not going to freestyle.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
I need you.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
It's the talent I was not born. I tried.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
I was gonna say, you used to I know, you
used to spit back in the day.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
I used to spit back in the day. But I've
lost that talent. I don't know. I don't know what happened.
But I had this homi name Lair that I came
up with. Also shout out to Larry. He out here
making beats still to this day, and that man's like
killing the game right now. But Larry used to be
that guy. He used to just like sit there, He'll
just like start a beat, like he'll be like make
a little pooo. Like he was like Biz Marquee and
men in black. You know, I black too, And so

(07:16):
he always used to like pop out with a beat.
And just for fun, we used to like spit a
little something here and there. But I don't know. I
guess when I lost Larry, I lost the I lost
the ability, you know, all saying. So I think it
was Larry's beats that like gave me the confidence to
actually push that up. So if sway you listening, I'm
not gonna do a freestop, but we could chop it
up about any other thing, you know what I'm saying.
But yeah, man, so I think I think, like housekeeping wise,

(07:40):
the iHeart isn't gonna change the show all that much.
You know, we're still gonna be getting great guests, We're
still gonna be doing our thing. We're talking about getting
a bigger studio now. We saw like a bigger studio,
which means more guests at one time, which also opens
up ideas for me, Like you know, I've been trying
to do that movie debate thing for a minute, So
that would give us like more lee to do that.
And so maybe we could throw Ken some of that,

(08:02):
like Ken staying on board, like he's part of this,
he made it happen. His edits are also really freaking fire.
But you know, can be busy Ken got a lot
going on. Shout out to Ken. Ken's gonna be a
mainstay of the show. But yeah, man, like I think
in terms of like housekeeping, I think that's where we're at.
You know, iHeart ain't changing us. We just got budget now.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
I guess like, yo, you know what, I think you
should talk a little bit about substack and yes, how
you're posting over there, what you're sharing there, what the
relationship is going to be.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, make substacked, So substack. I find one thing. I
find it very hard for me to like use other
social media apps outside of Instagram and outside of TikTok.
I'm just now starting to get my legs with the
YouTube thing. Twitter is just a I can't letterbox. It's hard.
But Substacked, I feel like that that particular platform is

(08:56):
not hard for me. It's just that I think we're
gonna use that as like more of our like exclusive content,
right like our Patreon content. And I think, like, if
you want to see the episode first before it even
hits like our Heart, before it even hits Spotify, YouTube, whatever,
that's where it's gonna live first. So like, if you
guys subscribe to the substackt and you want to see

(09:17):
the episodes, then you can see it first, right there,
a little reward for you guys, and maybe we'll do
like some more exclusive maybe some of the like movie
debate stuff will live there as well. So that way
we give like our audience premium content that you can
only get on that platform. Because if they're going to
be paying top dollar, we got to give them top
dollar content. You know what I'm saying. They got to
feel it's got to feel a little bit more exclusive.

(09:37):
That's just how I feel about the situation. But uh yeah, substact,
I'm still trying to learn.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
You're there for the community though.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
I'm there for the community.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah you're Yeah. I was gonna say when people are
on there, they're on There're they're there for you.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah yeah, yeah exactly. So but you know, I'm learning,
your boy learning. I feel old that i'm learning, but
I'm learning. When I was on it, I was trying
to learn, and I was like, Okay, there's some really
good stuff on there. Paul Sheer it on there. Bro,
Like Paul Sheer is all over sup Staff, So we
got to get him on the show as well, because
you know, he and I have been like chatting about
it forever. But again so busy ships in the night,

(10:09):
like we were trying to make a word forever. Oh bro,
I was on Jewel Follows podcast. That was fun.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
I saw that was fun.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Gotta we got to return the favor and like get
her on here.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yeah, so what were you dressed as? I couldn't pick
it up from the clip.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
I was a cheeseburger, but I think, like, like I
I called myself a crabby patty because she was a fish.
So we had like a plus her whole thing kind
of looks like a pineapple set, so it was almost
like a SpongeBob like type of thing. So we settled
on random bikini bottom citizen in a crabby patty. So
that was like our Halloween like vibes right there. But

(10:42):
it was a lot of fun. Man like Drew was
like one of the realist people like in the social
media game like period, Like you know, if you could
build your platform off of tearing down terrible men, you
have no choice but to be the realist person there,
Like I don't know how you can fake that, you
know what I'm saying, So, like, you know, she and
I came up TikTok together, and we both kind of

(11:03):
likned it to us being in the same draft class
and now we're in the senior citizen room. You know
what I'm saying, we're the veterans.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
The veterans, which you're both on super Max contract Supermax different,
there's a different, there's a different.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Then we're both on the Supermax right now, and like
we you know, everything's going great for us right now.
You know, we haven't had no drop off yet, you
know what I'm saying, Like, and uh, it's so funny
because we didn't get to talk about this on the pod,
but I feel like, well because you know, when I
was coming up on TikTok, like I was, I think
I was at like maybe a million views or something
like that before I got verified, right And I don't remember.

(11:39):
It was a fight to get verified. I said, I
need to like feel validated for all this work that
I'm putting in right right, And when I finally got verified,
it felt like Stony just like opened up the door.
He's like, who is? But yeah, So when I finally
got verified, I was like, okay, like we're getting somewhere,
like you know, we got that validation and then now
like I'm seeing a ton of friends at the same

(12:01):
time get verified, and I'm like, that's that's amazing. But
it was crazy how it was like a wave of them, right,
and like whenever it like people get verified one after
the other, that's how you think it really goes. But
when it's like a wave, I'm like, what's happening? And
it almost felt like they were crowning like the new
class of creators, you know what I'm saying, And like

(12:21):
and yeah, I think everyone who's verified now deserved it.
They had they had it come in like it's one
hundred percent, like great job. Now hopefully like brands can
look at you differently like TikTok and look at you differently.
Whoever goes on your page now sees you and they
see that you're legit what you deserve to be. You know,
I'm just wondering, like, you know, what is the next

(12:43):
step after the mass christening of the verification If we
start to see those same creators who got verified at
the same time going to some of the same events
at the same time, getting invited to the same exclusive
events at the same time, maybe maybe we're seeing like
a changing of the guard, which you know, again, very
much like sports, there's a draft class and then there's

(13:04):
like levels to it, right, and it's like everybody like
has their time to shine. And I feel like social media,
like you, that's exactly what happens, right, Like I'm the
unk now on TikTok. The people say like, oh, yeah,
you're like the movie Godfather, and I like that, Like
I'm cool with that, Like I'll wear that. Moniker called
me the Goku of movie talk like, and.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
But time moves so fast in social media, yeah, contrasts,
you know what I mean. Like, I'm just thinking about
where you were during the pandemic and getting going.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, and it's not that.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Long ago, but what you've been able to accomplish and
things that have been built, and then the people that
have been coming up since you started, it does feel
like almost like a generation and it's only been a
handful of years, you know.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
I mean, speaking of Goku, it feels like the hyperbolic
time chamber low key, you know what I'm saying. Movie
fans like it's a reference to Dragon ball Z. It's
really cool, you should get into it. But it does
feel like, you know, life on social media speeds up
everything and it's not just kind of like who we
follow and things of that sort, but the trends that
we follow. Like, like, I remember there was a moment

(14:10):
I can't remember what trend it was, but a creator
hopped on and was like, oh, remember like way back
when when everybody was doing this thing. I was like,
way back when that was three months ago? Yeah, why
are we making it sound like it was three years ago,
you know what I'm saying. So it just feels like
everything's a little bit more sped up, and as a
result of that, attention spans are a little bit more
sped up. And I don't know, man, Like it's just

(14:30):
weird being in the space, which is why I try
very very hard to kind of like go outside of
the TikTok space, you know what I'm saying, Like be
a part of it, yeah, but established like a life
outside of it, you know. And I feel like, you know,
with this new iHeart thing, what we're doing with the pod,
like it's it's kind of like put us in that
position to where now we can be on the outside
looking in and observe while also like being a part

(14:51):
of it and just like kind of like you know,
doing our own thing over here and like kind of
like creating like our own world like outside of it.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, I mean you and I talk off camera all
the time about like having our own thing, building our
own like, as I always say, pushing our own car.
I really am a firm believer in that. And obviously
we work together in this capacity, and you pretty much
know everybody else that I'm working with two right outside
of podcast. I know it just bopped it a little bit,
but it's the thing that I always preach to everybody

(15:18):
that's in our circle, which is like we just have
to I mean, yeah, these opportunities are great, but we're
not just going to sit around and wait for an
email to come in that part. We're going to go
out there and we're going to build ourselves. Yeah, And
sometimes you just got to get a little bit of
a buzz and then people pay attention and then they
want to work with you because they see what you've
been able to do without their support. So every opportunity,
every email, I look at that as a chance to

(15:40):
amplify what we're already got in place, and that's how
we have to look at it. And the same thing,
like when you started with the pod, you were doing
it by yourself, and you have one of your friends
come in and kind of help you set up a
little bit. But you're out here running the board and
hitting all the hitting record and everything, and I'm like,
my bir, I was like, bro, I got you. Let's

(16:01):
let's try to.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Go to crect out. This is how you level up.
Like you know, you start by yourself, You find some
people that you trust, you build together together, it becomes
they become something big.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
And then next you know, we throw in centers, joint
parties and trying to get a city like stuff like that.
You all said that that's how you build things, you know.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah. But the one thing that I will say, it's
been really nice to hear from people unsolicited about the
work that we're doing. Like the clips, especially with Coogler,
how that reached a lot of people. People reached out
and say, Wow, this is really dope, you know what
I mean, And then they've started to subscribe. And then
I've heard people just really be inspired to like have

(16:44):
their own podcast or at least experiment with it, which
is great. And I have a lot of people come
to the studio and I helped them through those sessions,
and it's really good because they've seen the work that
we've been able to do.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, man, it's great stuff, man, all right, So I
want to I got a couple of topics to get into.
One of the big ones is Oscar season is coming up.
We got the Award season right around the corner. And
there are two films that are already in my top three.
But to be fair, if you want to talk about
best movies, top two, right, you got Cinners in one

(17:14):
battle after another, right yeah, now, one bat after another,
box Office be downed like it's still considered one of
the best films ever right now, right like people are
talking about it like it's one of the best films
of the decade, century, whatever you want to call it. Centers,
I put that up in that category. I don't think
a lot of people would disagree with that. And these
are both truly, truly great films. Now, whatever comes out

(17:35):
after the fact, we'll see, right because you know, by
the time, like you know, November, December, January rolls around,
that's when we see like the real favorites, like you know,
the Oscar bait favorites like start to come up. But
I do believe that Centers one bat after another will
be in that race by the time the Oscar nominations
come around. But there's a problem because Sinners came out
in what March, April? Came out on April, right, Will

(18:03):
we see another situation like how we saw what happened
with Doom Part two? Was that two years ago or
last year.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Last year, there was a lot of a lot of time.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
A lot of time, and it didn't get the nominations
in the love it deserved because you know, Academy either
forgot about it or they were kind of putting a
lot of their eggs in the baskets of those ones
that came out in November December. So like, I've made
it my personal mission to kind of like keep Centers
in like the social conversation, in the memory of people

(18:32):
so that they remember it by the time it does
go around, so it doesn't get shafted like say like
a Dune part two. Right, Yeah, Now, one Bat after
another just came out what last month, great great ass movie.
One could also argue like maybe a little bit too
early because that was what September, yeah, September, right, a
little bit after the summertime, not necessarily a summer blockbuster,

(18:54):
nothing like that. But will people forget about it? I
don't think so, because any movie you have, I think
Paul Thomas Anderson has a lock on anything he does.
I feel like Leonardo DiCaprio, you gotta take notice of
that you got Tiana Taylor. I think a Best Supporting
Actress nomination is a locked in. Is a lock in
for her and Chase Infinity is going forward the Best
Actress nomination, right, So I feel like there's all these

(19:15):
things going for one battle after another that will keep
it firmly in the minds of people. Once the oscars
come out, however, it's going to be a battle between
those two, okay, right, Like, so I gotta ask you, like,
which one between Sinners and one battle after another, like
in your mind already is like the better film.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
So I haven't seen what. I didn't get a chance
to go to the premiere. I didn't see it. So
once the premiere happens, then I'm like, I gotta catch
it when it's available streaming, right, Okay, But what I
will say is just conventional wisdom. The time. The time
is the factor. Yeah, if Sinners came out right now,

(19:56):
you know. But I just think the time is so
much heavy, so much of a heavy factor in all
of this, even if it was reversed. Yeah, if one
battle after another came out much earlier.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
In the year, we would be thinking about it at
the same lag.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah. So that's yeah, you know what.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
And I think that's where campaigning really comes in, and
it's what people don't think about when it comes to
like the campaigning of Award season. Sinners is going to
get a re release, right, They're already talking about like
a Halloween re release in seventy milimeter, right, but around
I'm willing to bet that around like December or January,
re releases of Centers are going to be happening, especially

(20:34):
since like a lot of people didn't catch the seventy millimeter,
so that they're gonna be doing that to remind people like, hey,
we got something like big right now. And they're both
from the same studio too, which when out thinking about
like do you think I think Warner Brothers loves the
fact that they can get two movies in there. It's
like the best picture race. However, it will be very

(20:57):
interesting to see which one they campaign.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
For more and Again, this is not necessarily me being
a conspiracy theorist, but mainly looking at the economics, which
one has a greater economic favor for the studio because
we know Ryan got a dollar one deal, right, got
a dollar one deal. I don't know what what Paul
Thomas Anderson's deal is. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
I don't think it's anywhere near the Ryan Coogler.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Well, yeah, so which one is going to be the
most economically beneficial for the studio because that's where you
would want to sink your marketing dollars into, right, true?

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, it's I mean, obviously, seen do they want to
sink it into one battle after another? Because apparently the
box office on that one was not that great. Like
I think it just crossed one hundred million, which is
like Paul Thomas Hanis's first movie crossing over into a
hundred million, which is good. But I think I read
somewhere that it needs three hundred million to break even. Okay,
So it's like, do you want to sink more into
that campaign?

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Well? See that's the thing, right, So Sinners has made
its money, and it might have made more money, but
did the studio make what they could have made? Economically right,
So it could have been a larger pie and a
smaller piece, or it could be a bigger piece of
a smaller pie. Yeah, don't necessarily know. But what I
would say is, if you have one movie that's a
little out a little later, yep, and then you add

(22:09):
some additional marketing push, then it's going to be available
on streaming. Yeah, that might be able to carry it forward,
and then that might make that might make fiscal.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Sense, you know, streaming. That's an interesting point that you
bring up because we don't know what one bet after
another's legs look on streaming, because we've seen movies that
come out didn't do too well at the box office
and they hit streaming and they and they blow up
like gangbusters, right yep. So I think like streaming will
be a big factor. And like which one Warner Brothers
wants to get behind the most, and which one you
would say is like more economically responsible for them? Yeah,

(22:41):
I guess we're just gonna have to wait and see,
because I believe one bad another is still in theaters.
It might have like a couple more weeks if that
to be in it, and then we'll see. I don't
think It's a great movie, don't get me wrong. But
I'm also curious to see if it's the same movie
on streaming, like the same type of experience as you
got theaters. I think it's a way better experience in theaters,
to be honest, And I haven't seen on streaming or

(23:01):
nothing like that. It's just that I cannot imagine getting
the same feeling that I got when I watched it
in like Vista vision on the big screen, you know
what I'm saying. So but Centers, though, like all those
seventy millimeter is like my preferred one. I could watch
that thing all damn days. Like I feel like, I
feel like it's a crowd pleaser. I feel like it's

(23:22):
a blockbuster I feel like, but I feel like it's
deeper than that, and I do feel like it's one
of those like Oscar Worthy films that definitely deserves recognition
in many different categories. I think I made a video
about this when the movie first came out, where it's
like best Picture should be a lock for me, Best
score for sure, Best Original song for sure, could get
two Best Original songs, and then K Pop demon Hunter

(23:44):
showed up. No I was, I was, I was like
I was, like last time I Seen the Sun, I
lied to you, pale peal move maybe on like the
lower lower end. But I feel like those two between
Last Time I Seen the Sun and I Lie to
You could have been like the best original songs.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah, but you know where I think it should get
the nomination and most likely the win Best Original Screenplay,
Original Screenplay, Yeah, because it's not adapted. That's yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
So it's one bat after another as well.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
I don't know, I think, but I think Sinners.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
I think Cennership like in terms of like the win
for sure, but like to be honest, like I'm not
thinking of it like any other movies outside of both
centers in one Battle. I think if it's just between
those two, Sinners should take that. But I do think
like a nomination for Best Original Screenplay for sure, right,
Best Editing for surest photography, I think it's cinematography.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, I think we all.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Unless this like completely beautiful movie comes out in like
December of January right now, like Autumn Derald is like
the one for that one right then If you want
to talk about acting category, like Michael B. Jordan deserves
a nomination and I really hope they don't go the
way of like kill Monger, they ignored it. Because I

(25:01):
feel like, if you give a nomination for Angela Bassett
for Wakanda Forever, which she deserves, deserve to win.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Jamielee Curtis, but we all knew that was Angela's.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, And I also like Stephanie Shoes should have won
over Jamie Lee Curtis, Like, you know, like I'm gonna
keep saying it, but that was Angela Bassett's to lose, right,
And I feel like, if you're gonna give a nomination
Angela Bassett, I think Michael B. Jordan's performance A Black
Panther the first one, it's every bit as good as
Angela Bassett and Wikanda Forever, maybe even a little bit

(25:34):
better if you're asking me, Willy have won. I can't
remember who was in the category that year, but that's
another conversation for another day. But I do think he
deserved that nomination, And I feel like, I feel like,
because Michael B. Jordan is so damn handsome. I I
I truly believe I think he is just so damn handsome,

(25:55):
like and I don't want to say like there's not
been handsome people who want to like wich seen handsome
and beautiful. People went oscars before. But Michael B. Jordan
is black man handsome. You know what I'm saying, like
like black man handsome, right, And I know people gonna say, oh,
what about Denzel? Denzel ain't never been Michael B. Jordan hansome.
I'm sorry, like I'm not trying to like compare too much.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
I'm clipping this down and listen, We're gonna clip this down.
I can't wait, I can't it down.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, yeah, Denzel handsome. It is a different type of
handsome than Michael be Jordan hansome. Right, Denzel, Okay, I'm
gonna give you this scenario. Right, I'm gonna give you
this scenario. If your mic is on, we could probably
like put you on the mic too, like turn this Micael.
He could say something to uh, but I need to
finish this point this. Okay, you end up not you.

(26:48):
But ladies, let me know, ladies, gay men, male present whatever.
If you're attracted to Michael B. Jordan or Ed Dinzel,
chime in here in the comments. You're in a bar,
Michael B. Jordan and or Denzel slash Denzel walk in right,
you're at the bar. They both, without saying a word,

(27:09):
sit right next to you, and one of them says,
what's up? Which one is sexier? That's all I'm gonna say.
Which one is gonna make you like, say what's up? Back?
Which one is gonna make you like giggle a little bit?

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Here's my question for you, though, Which era of Denzel
are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (27:28):
That's a good question. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say.
I'm gonna say Training Day Denzel.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Okay, so you're not saying Ricochet Denzel. You're not saying
you're not saying Fallen Denzel where he had the crisp.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
You're talking about Preacher's wife.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
That's all I'm saying. I'm just I'm the wife.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Denzel with Creed two, Michael B. Jordan. That's that's what
we're up against right now. Which one's making you giggle more?

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, we're slipping this down. We're gonna see, We're gonna
see what they We're gonna see what they say in
the comments. I'm very curious to see what people down. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
I feel like Michael B. Jordan is the evolved Pokemon
form of Denzel Washington in terms of attractive that's and
that's all I'm saying, right, and so out of all
I think, and that if we're talking about the evolution
of Hollywood actors breaking breaking down at the Pokemon terms,
it's Denzel and that he's now evolved into Michael b.

(28:29):
Jordan's right, it's a new type of handsome. Right, I've
never seen I've never seen Denzel with a six pack,
That's all I'm gonna say, not even in a urane.
It's not Michael Jordan's.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
I wasn't looking too hard at it though, but it
was it.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Listen, it wasn't Michael be Jordan's six pack, though. I'm
just gonna say that. Sony, what were you going to say?
I know you have something to say.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
The thing is, Bro, Denzel had women going bonkers bonkers
in the nineties. Bro, Yeah, and like it was a
different type of lust like the loss for Denzel back
in the nineties and even the early two thousands, because
a lot of women called training day Denzel like their
favorite one.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Because yeah, that's why I brought up training was like.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Rugged and like you know what I'm saying, they really
go for that, you know what I mean? Didn't I
feel like Michael b he got it too. But what
helps him is the body. Denzel didn't need the body.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
He didn't need the body.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
That's a good fucking he still had it that one.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Can I say something, you know what I'm saying now?

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Granted I admittedly admittedly because of the body, that's very important.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
It's in the dimples.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
And I will say this though as a guy, because
you can be straight as nine to fifteen and still
still acknowledged and still acknowledge that somebody is an attractive Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, because like, come on now,
if you want your girl around Pete, Will Smith, not
bad boys to.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Will Smith, NA get him a slow mo running back boys. Exactly.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
If my girl told me that her ex boyfriend was
a Denzel Washington looking dude.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Be like yeah, all right, yeah, yeah, nothing you can do. Yeah,
you know we're here.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, But she tells me that her ex boyfriend was
a Michael.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
It's different, it's different.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
First question would be did you have a bad breakup
or was it on good term?

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Why did y'all break up?

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Like?

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, like what happened? You hate him? You hate his existence? Right?

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Do you hate him?

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Perfect? Perfect? Oh? You still have love for.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Your Yeah, listen, Yeah, that's that's basically all the one
day Listen. I'll just say, like, I've never seen someone
accept an award on a stage and they said something
along the lines of, oh, my outfit is made by
Giorgio Armani and Denzel is going to be taking it
off tonight. I've heard that with Michael B. Jordan, Like

(30:54):
you know what I'm saying. He had not just regular
people going crazy, he has celebrities going crazy. Like I've
seen clips of him on the Stay. You guys saw
that clip of him on the Stephen Graham Show. And
I can't remember if it was an actress or a
model or whatever, but there was a moment where Michael B.
Looked at her like he just looked at her and
he was listening, like he wasn't trying to like like

(31:14):
flirt or nothing. He just looked at her and he
just smiled, like, you know, because she was talking, and
she stopped talking because she had to collect herself, and
everybody knew what happened except for him. He was like, wait,
what's going on. Everybody's laughing, and he's just oblivious to
the fact that he just completely shut down this woman romantic,
you know what I'm saying. So I haven't seen a

(31:35):
clip of Denzel like that. It's probably happened. I'm not
gonna lie, it's probably happened. But oh I don't. I
don't even want to get into the Chris Brown.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
They give me the they give me the Timmy Turner
daddy reaction every time I see them around a woman,
dinkle Berg, every time big Berg. It's just like, how, bro,
you've been doing this for too long?

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Cheryl Cole, that's a girl's name, Cheryl Coles, like this
said I was pulling pull.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
I was pulling it up for you because the way
Michael Haley was on that press run, I was just
like that that.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Was dangerous and should meek More was mad as hell?
That dangerous was mad.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
You know, he's caught so many straight on this podcast. Bro,
this is like the third podcast should be.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
It's probably so it's probably above his head as he
says it, you know, like it's probably because like I
asked him to be on the pod, he said yeah,
and then like he just kind of like, you know,
so it's probably sub conscious. I'm not even trying to
like like like like adicted or nothing like that. But
like if he gets on the pod, we'll talk about it,

(32:44):
like straight up, you know, we'll talk about because I
truly believe like I see a lot of myself and Shamik,
Like we're both like corny men, but like I lean
into corniness. I think he leans into too much trying
to be cool, you know what I'm saying. But it's like, bro,
you're you could be cool like Donald Glover. Don't need
to do that, you know what I'm saying, Like, just

(33:04):
be you. Sorry, Shodni, I feel like I feel like
I'm just digging this hole. He just given fuck this guy.
But anyway, I know, the last thing I'm gonna say
on this whole subject is I feel that because I'm
gonna wrap it back around, we're gonna wrap it back around.
I feel like we're talking about Jordan and Lebron at
this point right Whereas like they're both great. You can

(33:26):
pick which one is your goat, sure, But in terms
of like the Oscar nomination for Sinners, yes, I do
feel like he is seen as like, oh, that's just
the handsome black man. He can't really act like he's
just someone you like to watch on screen, you know
what I'm saying. So, but there's many a performance that

(33:46):
proves that the man got some acting chops.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
So so that's the thing, right, We've seen this before
because I feel like it happened obviously with Denzel He
won for Training Day, but he got nominated for Hurricane.
Yeah that year to Russell Crowe.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Okay, okay, for Gladiator.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
For Gladiator, but I think was it a beautiful mind?
A beautiful mind. Beautiful mind is beautiful, but I thought
that he should have won for Hurricane. You know, So,
is this going to be a situation where Michael b
gets nominated, doesn't get to win, maybe gets nominated later,
maybe there's another performance, but they feel like they he
should get it. Still deserving fantastic performance, right. But the

(34:28):
thing that I wanted to say is that this is
reminiscent also of the Brad Pitt situation, where he's turned
in some pretty powerful performances so early in his career,
but people couldn't get past the aesthetic. They got hung
up on that. And then as he gets older and
becomes a more mature man, then they're like, oh, this
guy can really act, And then all of a sudden
in his mid in his mid fifties, gets you know,

(34:51):
finally gets that nomination and win. So I'm wondering if
we're going to have to wait to finally acknowledge people's
talent instead of their aesthetic. Yeah, because when you're you
have youth on your side, your aesthetic is received, right,
that's what's going to propel you.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
But then but it's like, yeah, but that's by the
time he won, he had that talent plus another twenty
five years behind him, right, made him undeniable. Yeah, So
I'm just wonder if that we're going to see a
little bit of it.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, And I think it's different for everybody because like
we've seen like young talent who are like you can
consider heart throbs or whatever like get like nominated, Like
Leonardo DiCaprio is like the prime example. Oh yeah, right,
super handsome heartthrob guy was getting nominated since he was
like thirteen fourteen or something like that. Like that man
was just born with it. Timothy Shalamy, you know what
I'm saying, Like he's like, I think he's gonna go
down as one of the goats. If not, you can

(35:39):
consider him. In that conversation, I agree.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
With you man, He's he's kind of like already there.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Bro, you know, I think he's already like up there,
He's up there. To your point, Will Smith was that
for a long time, you know what I'm saying, Like
where like Will Smith was like the kind of like
the goofy, handsome rapper guy who can like hold down
a film. But like he was turning in powerful performances
before he got nominated for I think his I think
his first one was Pursued of Happiness, which was his
first up, but that came out a time where he's

(36:04):
like a little bit older. Yeah, like now you can
see that he.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Can and that's the thing that's there. It's like a
vintage thing once you've aged a little bit and people
can get past the glossiness and the veneer or the
aesthetic and then they're like, oh, there's some real talent there,
and then they go back and retroactively take a look
at your work. He was like, Wow, that's fantastic. Just
like with Brad Pitt, if you look at Legends of
the Fall or River Runs through it, he was killing

(36:29):
it back then.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah, what was that? What was that one movie where
it was monkey something?

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Oh, twelve Monkeys, twelve Monkeys that was his first nom Yeah,
that was his first non great.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
And twelve Monkeys, yeah great and twelve Monkeys yeah like
so yeah, man.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
So yeah, I just wonder. It's like sometimes I feel
like some of the gentlemen that have that kind of
thing going for them, they see the fruits of the
labor outside of the money. Yeah, but they see there.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
I know, but I but recognized, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Like I feel like he's always had it, and like
I really hope and like, even if he doesn't win,
because I do believe that if I'm choosing, because this
is the best actor category, if I'm choosing Leo in
One bat after Another or Michael b I'm gonna probably
go with Leo. I think that's one of Leo. I
think that might be Leo's best performance that I've ever seen.

(37:19):
But I just wanted to wrap up the like One
Battle after Another Centers Award season conversation. I feel like
there's a lot of interesting things that play here, especially
for two movies that are like very culturally and like
culturally now like part of the zeitgeist. Last, last, last
thing I want to say is that if I was
in the Academy and I was picking one, right, if

(37:39):
I like to have guns in my head and I
was picking one. Both great films, both generational films, but
one of them is culturally significant. You know what I'm saying.
It's culturally significant what Ryan Coogler does with a story
that's simultaneously universal but specifically cultural to the Black community,
that right there should be a feat of itself. You

(38:01):
know what I'm saying. He took the universality of I
don't know if that's word, but he took the universality
of vampires and made it black, you know what I'm saying,
and like tied themes into it that like in a
way that wasn't like in your face, wasn't shoved down
your throat, made people want to learn. I've had people,
my friends from Australia call me and say, hey, like

(38:22):
I felt this with Sinners, but I didn't understand it
because they're Australia. They don't know like the history, and
then you tell them a little bit about that and
they go, oh shit, like yeah, I didn't know the
layers went that deep. Right, Whereas like one bat after another,
it has those layers like for sure, but I feel
like Sinners just did it with a little bit more style,
And I think we should award style when it comes
to Award season now, like style points matter. You know,

(38:42):
if you could do that, if you could do what
an Awards contender does and you do it with style.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Yeah, you know the point you just made about it
being universal. Yeah, yeah, that point you made about it
being universal. So it's kind of like the thing where
it's like, it's not a black vampire movie's it happened
to have vampires that were black. Yes, right, So it's
the same conversation we always talk about. And I know

(39:09):
it feels like semantics, but that is very different. Like
Stony and I were talking about vampire and Brooklyn the
other day. Hold on, let me open that mic up.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
You know, for the past few days, I've been having
this weird feeling. I'm like, I don't think Craig.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Like me and he and he just proved it right there,
because keep bringing this ship up.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
I'm sorry, he keep bringing the vampire in Brooklyn knowing
that it's like Rhythm spoons for me, and I'm.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Like, but that's the but that's the difference and that's
exactly it. It was a vampire.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Oscar movies, Bro and me just yapping real quick. It's
like fashion versus style. The reason why I don't I
call them Oscar bait movies. But you know, I feel
like a lot of Oscar Oscar movies are. They have
a lot of fashion, right, but there's a difference between
fashion and side.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
You can put on a bunch of designer, but if
you can't put that ship on, you just look expensive.
But you don't look you don't look fly. I think
Sinners looks fly. It has, it has the swag. It
it did more than just be a good movie. It was,
like you said, it was a cultural impact. And I

(40:30):
think that should qualify it for more than you know.
I mean, yeah, I'm pretty I'm pretty sure all the
nominees are great, but.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Yeah, you know, another point is that people actually have
to watch the movies this year. They actually have they
actually have to watch the movies this year to vote.
That's nice, that's nice.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
That feels good.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
That's nice.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
That feels good because you know, when get Out was
nominated for Best Picture that year, a lot of people
didn't watch it. A lot of the voters did not watch.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
It, And that's crazy because Sinners I think sparked the conversation.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
About Horror year. Like I was just it was a kickoff.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
I was at any variety last night, like literally down
the street, and they were like the main point that
they kept bringing up was how horror is for the
cool kids now, And I'm like, wonder where that came?

Speaker 3 (41:15):
So did you see Life of Chuck.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Conversation?

Speaker 3 (41:19):
So it's it's out there, it's out there. I'm looking
at this list because everybody's saying that it was a
fantastic movie, just no one saw it.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Yeah, that's fantastic. Yeah. I feel like the conversation around
that movie sadly kind of like came and went at
a great like a junket interview with Tom Hidleson and
Mike Flanagain. Mike Flanagain a horror director who did something
a lot more kind of like hopeful with it. Uh.
It has one of my favorite like scenes in like
this year. There's a dancing with Tom Hidleson in this

(41:48):
like beautiful amazing actress, can't remember her name right now,
but it was like one of my favorite scenes like
this year. But yeah, like I don't know if it
should be in the Awards conversation.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
But I like that fantastic the Springsteen movie.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
I think acting.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Wise, Jeremy White, Jeremy Allen.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Jeremy Allen White, Yes, I think acting wise for sure.
Movie wise, it was just kind of like the middle
of the road, very safe biopic. So I feel.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Like, would it be almost like a one to one
to the Chalomay Dylan kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
I think Dylan was better.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Yeah, I actually I enjoyed that movie.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
I enjoyed that movie.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
And I'm not a big like Dylan guy, but I
really Challamey kills it obviously, But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
If James Mongo deserved a directing nomination for that. But
I do think Best Picture, Best Actor, like I do think.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah, Okay, let me see, we got Marty supreme about
the hit.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
I haven't seen it yet, dying. Yeah, I been hearing
nothing but good thing.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Yeah that same.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah. I just had a conversation at New York City
Comic Con with some people who saw it and they said,
like it's the truth, Like it really is the truth.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Like yeah, I know you saw a smashing machine. I
know you actually did a video on it.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yes, So Dwayne Johnson and Emily Blunt nomination seemed to
be impending. The movie was pretty again safe, a little
too safe. I feel like their close proximity with Mark
the actual Marker, they didn't want to like really dive
too deep into like his darker parts of himself. So
it just kind of felt like a vehicle for Dwayne

(43:16):
Johnson's performance.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Okay, yeah, one that kind of surprised me on this
short list, the material list.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Mm hmm, okay, that's that's actually surprising. A lot of
people liked it. I haven't seen it yet, but I
know a lot of people liked it.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
I saw half of it the other night, and I
I saw half of it, and you know, you know.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Like the Broke Boy Agender, they like the Broke boyd.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
I just I was just having trouble connecting with with
the project. You know, what.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Is that cloej or Selene songs Len Gotta know Coloe
Sjow got a new movie coming out.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Ye, But I mean it was just like, uh, Dakota,
Dakota Johnson go to Johnson and Chris. Yeah, it was
like I didn't think there were I just really had
trouble connecting with it, you know how sometimes you just
watch a movie and you're like, I'm in this universe romance.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
I get it, you know, I keep it.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
But there's but there's a bunch of them that we dot.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
I'm not gonna say, I like, no, no, But you
know what I'm saying is us forgetting Sarah Marshall crazy
stupid love.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Crazy stupid love. I still, as much as that movie
is loved, I still feel like it's underrated.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
It's under the performances.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Everybody killed and.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
I will put it up there with like top three
greatest rom coms of all time.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Yeah, it's really really good.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
You like white rom comms, guys, I was just making
a job making it.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
I don't know. And again, have the New Avatar is about.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
To drop right, Yes, listen, I love me some Avatar.
I love me some Avatar. Way of Water original. Bro.
Don't you don't you fuck with me on Avatar? Bro,
please don't fuck with me on Avatar. Avatar is you
know this is.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
A point of contention for all of our people. The
New Avatar game On November fifth.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
There's a game for James Cameron's Avatar. Yeah, you'd be.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
And I get to go test the game and all
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Okay, I'm to keep game on this one because I
didn't know there was any game.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Yeah, have fun finding your unobtainedingum.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Listen, listen, un uptaining. It was stupid. It's stupid, but
the ekrons and the freaking like like the water seed
with the giant whale, come home. Bro, all right, you
have some more movies on that list.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Right, only had a couple more.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Give me a couple more. We'll move on.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
I don't even know that.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I feel like talk about that peacemaker too.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
I think we should just jumped in that because some
of these haven't dropped yet. Okay, so let's yeahropped so
after the hunt.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Okay, I think that one just dropped. Okay two weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Maybe die my love? Have you seen that? Yeah? Let
me see.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Oh dope in there?

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Oh Jesse Clemons. Yeah, that's the one.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Jesse Clemon's and the Stone Yogos. It is in there, but.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
I want to I want to see it because I
was like, yeah, the name didn't click, but as I
opened it up. Yeah, because I am Jesse Clemons is
one of my favorite actors. Bro, he's up there.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
I like Mike. He was the Bully and Bro and emistone.
I think this is her best performance. It's better than
her Poor Things performance, you know what, you know, it's
it's comparable. But I think she should win for this one.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
So far, we'll end on this one, which we do
know about. Highest to Lowess is actually on this list.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Yeah, I like the Highest Lowest. I know a lot
of people don't. I liked it. I liked it. I
see why people don't. I genuinely liked it. Okay, yeah, yeah,
I think so.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
There were a lot of things I liked about the movie. Well,
the cinematography, photography, when he's walking on that bridge, bro, it.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Was just yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Plus that scene at
the I want to say it was the uh the parade.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Oh yeah, the parade.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah yeah, I love that. I thought that scene was.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
It was very funny enough, not that they are necessarily contemporaries,
but I was feeling the safty esque frenetic energy of
this of like good Night and and uncut Gems Cut Gems.
I was feeling the frenetic energy in that scene.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
But we'll talk about something that was right like when
we get downe with that right before we jump in
the piece. It would be a little short side, but
we gotta feel like we gotta talk about it.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Yeah so but.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, oh yeah, uh yeah. I think I don't think
it'll get something. It'll get a lot, but it'll get something,
but really quickly. Marlon LANs Julia Fox. I saw it
that whole moment.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
I saw it. So I'm actually I would love to
hear your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Man, So I just want to be really quick with it.
So uh huh yo, I mean media training and knowing
when not to pop off. Now, I've talked to both
Julia and Marlon. I've hung out with both Julia and Marlon.
Right in that moment, Julia needed to realize who she was,

(48:21):
what she was doing, and very simply, it's a case
of white women needing to just be quiet in this moment,
right because there's a history of black men trying to
be vulnerable and being suppressed. Right, And even though what

(48:44):
she was spitting was true facts, that was not your time,
that wasn't the time to do it. And if that
was maybe like a trying to think of it, if
that was like maybe like Ryan Reynolds, maybe maybe, but
a black man trying to discuss vulnerability and masculinity and

(49:06):
mental health for a white woman to interject him the
way she was doing it to get a moment, and
that's what it felt like to get a moment. She
hijacked a black man's moment to get her moment. That
is what really like, sat wrong with me. It doesn't
matter if what she was saying was right, because she

(49:27):
was spinning some true facts to do that to Marlon
Wayans in that moment. It just shows a complete lack
of awareness on her part. And I do hope that
she realizes that. Like I hope she's not looking at
the comments and looking at the reactions and being like, oh,
well they're just mad because you know they don't like
me or I'm cut Yans, you know, Like I hope

(49:48):
she's really looking at what she's doing in that moment
and Marlon's face in that moment, because Marlon was he
gave up, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
So this is the thing that I'm hoping people take
away from it. Like what we saw obviously not ideal,
but I hope that on the b side of this happening,
there's a real moment of education and awareness, right because
you remember when a couple of years ago, everybody was

(50:16):
an ally to us culturally, and we were getting random
text message messages from people saying that they're an ally,
and we haven't gotten any in the last three years.
So when you're looking at things like this and you
are hearing this feedback and not aware of this layer
culturally where this is landed, and people are giving you

(50:39):
this information, I hope you're taking this and applying it,
and I'm hoping other people who saw it are now
able to see it through this lens. So I don't
want this to just be tear down Julia, she mistimed it.
It's also like, hey, this is a moment where she's
going to recognize that she could have been better. Yes,
and then there are going to be other people that

(51:00):
are going to say, have I done this? Have I
been this way? Have I not considered it this way?
I was just saying how I felt. You know, It's
like it's it's just this surface level kind of exploration,
and then for us we know what that really means
to be potentially disempowered in the moment when we actually
get asked something directly about us, our masculinity and our vulnerability.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
And seeing that in real time, So what makes people realize.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
So I'm hoping that this is an opportunity for people
to pay attention and apply.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yes, that's it. Yeah, And I like what you said,
like we're not This isn't like a dunk on Julia
or nothing like that. I don't think Julia Fox is
a racist person. I don't know well enough to know
that she's a racist person or not. Like, obviously she
did the movie. She knows the subject matter about the movie,
like she's she essentially did what her character does in
the movie in real life without even realizing it. You

(51:51):
know what I'm saying, Which is the ironic thing about it.
You know what I'm saying that now we have camera
evidence of her doing that, right, I would like to
have seen where mull and Wayns was going with that point,
and now we don't know because she closed the door
on it. Yeah for the moment, you know.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
So whatever. Yeah, whenever I see those things, it's not
about trying to cancel somebody or tear them down. It's like, hey,
this is an opportunity for everybody to understand how they
can be better if they're ever in that situation or
actually see it happening. You know what I mean, because
I didn't see any other real intervention, no, because there
were more people on the panel.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Right, Yeah, I believe Tyrik was there too.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Yeah, so you know, And that's the other thing, right,
it's understanding when it's happening, and then it's other people
understanding how they can help navigate that situation too. So
I don't know, I just looked at it like, well,
somebody's going to be learning something here.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Oh yeah, And that's that's what you got to look
at it as. That's what you gotta look at it as.
All right, So moving on, I think I got two
segments because like obviously we're yappers. We could talk for
like hours and hours and hours and hours, and my
daughter's in the next room. But two segments I want
to get into. The first one being we have the
Peacemaker season two finalees.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Yeah, let's talk about it, man.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
And one thing that I want to get into that
was very interesting was that once that finale ended, immediately
I'm starting to see people turn on the DCU or
at least questioning the direction of James guns DC Universe
already because the finale wasn't too their liking. Right, I'm
beginning to so many questions. Your eyebrow raised so high, bro,

(53:25):
But I've gotten so many questions now of like what
did you feel about the Peacemaker season two finale? And
my quick little review of Peacemaker Season two as a
whole is that it wasn't as satisfying as I would
have liked it to have been. I didn't walk out
with the same satisfaction as I did with season one. However,
I was never out of any point, bored or unentertained

(53:49):
throughout every episode of season two. Every episode I was
locked in every episode. I was interested in what was happening.
I think the performances are great. I think that this
is a great character focused season for Peacemaker, right, And
it made me realize that James Gunn maybe has like
a formula when he does his franchises, because one of

(54:10):
the other two franchises franchises that he has, he has
Guardians of the Galaxy, which he's concluded he has now
two Peacemaker seasons under his belt, and he's about to
do Superman two.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Right.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
So, Guardians of the Galaxy one amazing movie, Guardians of
Galaxy two not as amazing, but it's very character focused,
a really great character study on his characters, not as
tired of a story though, and then he wraps it
all around in a great finale of Guardians of the
Galaxy three. Peacemaker, great first season. I me and Frankie
was talking about this on the pot one of the

(54:41):
best pieces of DC television ever period, Like, it's one
of the greatest pieces of television ever. Season two little
lacklustern when it comes to like putting the whole story together.
But it's very character focused, right, What is Peacemaker Season
three gonna look like? And the only reason why, Like,
the only thing, the only way we can confirm this

(55:03):
trend is if we see Superman two. Is Superman two
going to be very character focused and push story to
the wayside in favor of that character story and then
wrap it up with like a great third I don't know, yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
I mean it's after the Man of Tomorrow storyline, right, So.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
So I feel maybe, But it's the people now having
questions about where the DC universe is going because of
the second season a Peacemaker that.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Is so interesting.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Man, it's so interesting. It's showing that people are really fickle.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
I gotta tell you, I loved the second season more
than the first, really, and I'm probably and I'm probably
the only one. But it's for the reasons that you
actually said. There was for me less world building than
the first season, right, because we're already locked in, we
know who these people are to each other, we understand
what they've had to overcome, where the bond is. I
felt like this was such a deeper dive into those

(55:59):
care characters, and it's something that I'm not like I
I would not say that I'm a casual like I'm
in I'm watching, but I really aligned better with the storytelling.
I appreciated the quote unquote twist.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
This is great.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Yeah, I just I just really Tim Metos.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Yes, metals, Yeah, he's great, hilarious.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Perfect edition. Bird Blindness had me so funny, dying right funny.
So I just felt like, for me, I enjoyed watching
this second season actually more than the first.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
I really did, and like that, And that's like it's
that character like, yeah, you're gonna like this like this
one first me Like I'm an emotional movie watcher, movie
watcher and TV watcher in this case, and so like
that's why I said I was never born at any
point because the characters had me so invested with what
they were going through. I think this is Johnson's best performance.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
I think this is one of his better performances. I
agree with you, But like, you know, in terms of, like,
you know, the story and everything, like, I don't really
like we really got a true sense of like where
this was all leading, or like, at least the escalation.
I wasn't feeling the escalation of where it was all leading. Okay,
the Earth X twist really great, but like admittedly a
lot of us clocked it as soon as he got
to that place, and we knew that the shoe was

(57:14):
going to drop at some point, and we hoped, you know,
at least I hope that there was going to be
some more exploration into this world. Chris is grappling with,
oh should I stay in this world? Should I not?
Despite this fact, and then therefore saying like am I
a bad person? Because I want to stand in this
world because it benefits me? Like, because there was never
really a moment where he was like, oh shit, fuck

(57:34):
that I got to get out of here, right. It
just kind of like he found out and then next thing,
you know, like his alternate Dad's trying to get him
out of there, right.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
See that's the character study though, Yeah, because and that's
why I loved it, because you're like, hey, this world
is a horrible place, but for some reason, I feel
better here, yeah, versus my world, which is, yeah, supposed
to be a better place because of what happened, but
I feel my worst here and trying to figure out.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
And I like that. But yeah, got there, right, we
got out so quick. We want to reveal happened next episode.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
I know. And I was like, I wish we could
have sat in a little bit more bit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Yeah, so like it was, it was stuff like that.
Then there was the uh, I can't remember the name
of the character, but she was like the Cybord chick
played by Soul. She was like she was a Rick
Flax Senior's like secondhand woman yea. And they there was
hints that maybe they were in like a relationship maybe,

(58:36):
but all we know is that they work together. And
then there's one scene in the finale where they're just
in bed yeah Bordeaux, not even a scene. It was
like part of a montage, like, oh, they're in bed together.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Yeah, I mean I think it was just inferred from
the look from the last one, but there was actually no.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Very like stead through you know what I'm saying, and
so and then also like to Metos, like he goes
through his whole like do I really need to be
in this thing in one episode? Right? It wasn't a
progression of like am I doing the right thing or not?
Because he's so funny and so they just kind of
use him this community really, so it's like all these
type of things that kind of like was incomplete for me.

(59:13):
And so by the time it ended, I just felt like, again,
what happens in the finale, like the place that we
leave Peacemaker in. I was like, I'm excited to see
how he gets out of it if there's a season
three or in a future movie. But at the same time,
I'm like, I don't think I'm as satisfied as the
end of season one.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
No, I can completely that like a bow, yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
So, but I don't think that's enough for me to
be like, ooh, the DC universe of James gun is
in danger. That never really was it for me, you know,
So like people who are feeling that way, I'm just
kind of like, chill for a second. This is only
mind you, guys, the third project that we've had. We've
only had one movie, Superman, We've had an animated series,

(59:57):
Creature Commandos, and then we've had Peacemaker, which is only
eight episodes.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
So yeah, we're gonna be We'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Let's look at key Supergirl of Batman and then we can.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
I don't think not loving a finale means that the
whole the whole universe is in danger. And it's so
funny because I always liken this to what happens to companies.
Sometimes sometimes companies do things that are unpopular and then
they just become the norm, and then you realize why
they did it, because they're trying to future proof whatever's
going to happen. So maybe some of these decisions are

(01:00:30):
future proofing for you know, continued storylines, things that we
don't we aren't privy to. So there's always this uproar
about these things. Thinking that the finale itself for the
season is supposed to give you this feeling of like
being settled, and I'm realizing just in conversations with people,
what people really have struggles with is uncertainty that did

(01:00:53):
not give people certainty. Certainty means control, full understanding, uncertainty.
This is what you get. Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
I hate to be out of control. Yeah, we hate
to be out of control. All right. So that wraps
up our peacemaker a bit of the conversation. And this
is the last thing I want to talk about because
I actually just watched this movie last night, and I
love this movie. I'm not a big documentary guy, but
I watched the John Candy I Like Me documentary.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
I started it, I started it. I only I got
the first few minutes. I didn't get a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Was it like you were talking?

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
He was sleepy?

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Yeah, it was sleepy. Yeah, yeah you started? What time
you started it?

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Come on, man, you know I started. I started ship
like ten o'clock. You know what time I go to sleep?
Because I love John Candy. I love John John Candy
integral part of my childhood.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Candy movie drop it for me?

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Oh, uncle buck, uncle Buck? But yeah, but Plan Trains
and Automobiles best performance.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Yes, but yes, yeah, I like me like mini monologue
and that is one of my favorite monologues and film like,
it's one of my favorites. And you know what's so
funny is that, uh, before I watched the movie, Family
Guy had a little bit where Peter says that whole monologue.
Oh yeah, Peter literally says the entire monologue like verbatim,

(01:02:14):
and I can't remember who he says it to, but
he literally, like genuinely goes like I like me, my
kids like me, my wife likes me. And I was
thinking to myself, like, Yo, this ain't a Family Guy
written monologue like this sounds like and I literally I
was so obsessed with I looked it up in that
moment and I like me moment, Like, I rewatched it
and I was like, damn, this is one hell of
a thing man. And I'm glad that they named the

(01:02:36):
documentary off of that quote. You know what I'm saying, So,
like you choosing playing Playing Trains and Automobiles very valid,
But Uncle Buck was my fucking steep.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Yeah, that's what I said. That's my favorite movie. But
my favorite performance.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Was John Hughes movie Man. Yeah, And like what was
cool was like it made me watching that like you know,
I like, you don't realize something that's so obvious. And
I just realized that John Candy and John Hughes made
so many damn movies together. They made nine movies together, dude,
and like you talk about like writing actor and director

(01:03:07):
duos like Michael B. Jordan and Ryan Coogler, Leo and
Martin Scorsese and not Ama Stone and Yogo Santamos, John
Candy and John Hughes bro was a dynamic duo for
the ages like Man and So. But to the documentary Man,
I watched that last night, Man, and it put me
more in touch with why I love with John Candy

(01:03:29):
in the first place, because he is such a genuine
person in his performances that you could just tell that
to him, right There's no acting required with him, like
there was just a genuine article plays trains an automobile
quote about the man that I think, what's mel Brooks
said this. He said that he put acting in his

(01:03:51):
back pocket and allowed himself to behave like a human being.
That's what the power of his performances was. And to
me he was kind of my uncle because, uh, you know,
being a kid and watching him, I'm like, I want
an uncle like that. So I just kind of was
like uncle Books, my uncle Buck. And I remember finding
out that he was dead right like, because he died

(01:04:12):
in ninety four. I was only two years old, if
that right, And I remember like being old enough to
like conceive of like what death was, watching cool runnings
and then somebody like I think, I think my grandmother
was one who told me that he died, and I
felt this tremendous amount of loss even though he had
already been dead years before I even found out. And
that just told you, like just how much I connected

(01:04:33):
with this actor, right, Like he just didn't seem like
an actor, you know what I'm saying. The big thing
that you learned in this documentary was that he was
just a guy who was more than willing to give.
And like his willingness to give was born from this, uh,
this inability to deal with his own shit, you know

(01:04:55):
what I'm saying. Like he was very much like you know,
his dad passed away at the age of thirty five.
He took that nobody in his family like really talked
about it, and so like he came at life with
like I'm going to pass away at thirty five, right,
So that's why he was always willing to like give
to other people, because he's like, while I'm here, I
might as well make life better for everybody else. But

(01:05:17):
when it came to working on himself. It was hard, right,
there's bro, there's this moment where they're talking about, like,
you know, when he's first coming up and acting and
he's like getting these big roles, and every interview that
he was doing they had to bring up his weight, right,
And I can't remember the interviewer, but he says, oh,

(01:05:37):
it's called big City comedy. If you guys want to know,
if you guys forget big, then just look at John
right here. And John in the middle was like, look
at this city. Oh you said it okay, you know,
and then like cuts to another thing and she's saying
something along and the interview is saying us something along
the lines of oh, you're very handsome, like the backhanded compliment,

(01:05:59):
and she said some along the lines of like do
you think like there's a reason why people love fat
people or things like that, like you know, and the
look on his face, because Jean was a guy who
wores emotions on his sleeve, the look on that man's face, dude,
like I have to pause the TV. The way he
looks is just so sad, Like it's almost as if

(01:06:20):
he wanted to say, why are you doing this to me?
Why are you saying this to me right like? Do
you not like me? Right like?

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
And I think at one point he did tell someone
when they said something about like his weight, and he said, oh,
I don't have a problem with it. Do you have
a problem with it? Right like? And he goes like, oh,
I was just checking. I just it just seemed like
you brought it up. So I didn't know if he
had a problem with it or not. And he was
just a guy who kept a lot of his kind
of like internal thoughts, his thoughts to himself. He was

(01:06:48):
fully aware of how he looked, didn't want to play
into those stereotypes and fall into the purposes he didn't
while still having that self awareness. And the doc just
like really is a great of like portrait and eulogy too,
in my opinion, like one of the most underrated actors
that we've ever had, right And I feel like, you know,

(01:07:10):
him dying at the age that he did, we missed
out on some really good years of John Candy. So again,
I'm not a documentary person, but I've always loved him
so much that like, I was just locked into like
everything that everybody had to say about him, And there
was a lot of people in that doc too, like
like he came up with like Martin Short came up with,

(01:07:31):
Bill Murray came up with uh obviously, like Tom Hanks
and him did Splash together.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
It was just crazy, just how much like Cachet he
had with like everybody, Uh, what's her name? I want
to say, it's like Katherine O'Hara. Yeah, Katherine ohrr right,
she was in a Yeah, so like yeah, they all
did a theater troup together.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Yeah, Second Second City, you see. And I was gonna say,
cause I kind of a couple of years on you,
So I actually grew up with these movies, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
So what was that?

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Like, dude? It was yo, everybody was quoting all the movies.
And it was one of those things where it wasn't like, hey,
this is a white movie. This was a funny movie,
and it was it just really aligned with people, you
know what I mean. So culturally it was just one
of those things that was just out there right and
the zeitguys. So but every like no one really came

(01:08:26):
back and said I hate John Candy or I hate
a John Kynde. It's either you like it or you
love it. But usually the conversations that we have is
which one is your favorite? Because we know, we know,
but yeah, it was just one he was. I think
he was appreciated in the time, I really do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
It's hard to see that. It's hard to not see
him like appreciate it, right, because again, he just seemed
like the nicest person you could ever meet. And I got,
you know, watching things like Uncle Buck and especially Cool
Runnings like I wanted to no matter how mean he
was and coul Running, I wanted to meet the guy
like it was a dream for me to like actually

(01:09:03):
get to know him, not knowing that he was gone
for years and years before.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Yeah, you know the point that you were mentioning about
the interviewers and being able to kind of poke fun
and use him as the butt of the joke. I
think part of that is obviously not having a good
professional moment, right, They could have been better. But the
other piece is that's how powerful the parasocial relationship was

(01:09:29):
between he and the audience that they felt so entitled
and so comfortable using him as a butt of a joke,
and where he does this professionally with other professionals. So
I mean that just kind of was like a tip
of the hat of like how good he is that
they felt so comfortable to make an ass of themselves

(01:09:50):
talking to him. Right. So I don't know if people
are looking at it that way, but that really is
a testament to who he was, because he could have
popped off.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Yeah, And like you see a lot of people shoot
interviewers down very curtly, and they're snark to it, but
they keep it pushing, right, Like Dakota Johnson's a master
at that. Right, She'll say something and you'll know that
she didn't fuck with what you just said. Like she'll
say something and everybody will go, oh, like aha. John

(01:10:21):
was just kind of like no, like he'll answer your question,
but at the same time, like you'll see it in
his face, like no, I like the way I am,
you know, And again it goes with his like I
like me, like you know what I'm saying, Like the
amount of times I saw in that doc where somebody
will comment on his way and he'll just say, I'm
kind of I'm very much happy with like the way
I am, and like I don't think like my performance

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will suffer from it if I changed it or anything,
because my performance is not how I look right. And
it's so like when we get into the conversation of actors,
getting into acting is hard, and it's easier when you
have a gimmick to like hold on to, right, because
then they can just hire you to like kind of
do the gimmick. I love Kevin James, but I'll bring

(01:11:03):
up Kevin James in this kind of instance, Like he's
always was the fat guy that fell over in all
of his movies, Paul Blart, Grown Ups like you name it,
King of Kings, like he was the fat guy that
always fell over. But John he was never that. He
was just a very big hearted, kind guy. He might

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have a mean streak, like you know what I'm saying,
like you know his characters like and Uncle Buck, but
you can just tell that's how he was as a dad,
you know. So I feel like John was one of
those people who kind of transcended the box that Hollywood
tried to put him in because he could have just
like ran with those narratives, right like, oh, yeah, I'm
the fat guy, like I'm here like to make like

(01:11:44):
fat jokes about myself, ha ha, look at me. But again,
he was more than that, And so man, I just
gotta say, man like, John Candy is one of the goats.
The documentary is like a really good watch, especially if
you're interested in John Candy. If you don't know who
John Candy is, please watch John Candy I like me
on Prime video. It's a good watch. This isn't an ad,

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so do it at what you will.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
But uh, Colin, Colin Hanks, Colinks.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Directed it and uh Ryan Reynolds produced it. But a
lot of people produced it, but Ryan Reynolds is the
most famous face that they keep like pushing at the top.
So but uh, man like, and it's funny because Colin
Hanks directed it, and you could tell that him. You
could tell that he knew John right because like Tom
Hanks is in the doc like going in depth about

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his relationship with John and everything. So you could tell that,
like Colin's probably a kid who knew like John Candy
and then John Candy, like you know if you if
you were in his like group, like you were part
of family, right, Like one of the most heartwarming things
was like his relationship with John Hughes. You know what
I'm saying. But yeah, man, but that's that's my big
wreck for the Day's John Candy's I like me bro,

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so finish it. Watch it earlier than I'm telling you.
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