Willie D chops it up with cultural critic, author and rapper Smackwater. The discuss his top 5 influential rappers of all time, what separated Tupac from everyone else, the "Airplane Effect", the entitlement of this generation and much more. Tune in and join the conversation in the socials below.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
You know, boys is back and redoded all in your mind.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Yeah, now, deep throating.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
This is for the streets, the real, the reilroading, the distenfranchised,
the truth escapegoating, And they ain't know when we speak
the truth, so they ain't quoted because we wrote it.
The North South East coaches the ge be mocked for
keeping your head, Bobby, it ain't no stopping and wants
to be drop said by and then the system is
so corrupted they threw.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
The rock out their heads and then blame it on us.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Don't get it twisted on colding. We danced to put
no butterment biscuits. It's Willie D.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Y'all ghetto boys in the house back with another episode
of information and instructions to help you navigate through this wild, crazy,
beautiful world in the studio, unapologetic, unfiltered, unadulterated, smackwater everything else.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
You know everything, man, good man, I'm on it to
be here, man, that's the honer you left out on
it to be here, man with the great Willy D himself,
Because like my my homie Nail said, outside, they say,
this is a this is a level up right here,
you know, anything attached to you. The Ghetto Boys brand,
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the Rappote brand is always in this city is always
a point of elevation. If you could, you know, mab
tize all that matters with anybody outside of the city
think or whatever they feel, you know, because we have
a lot of detractors speaking on Houston politics and Houston
business and got their feelings and their emotions about what
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take place on in the city.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
But you know, and who are these people?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
You know, it's it's just different people all over man.
You know, you got to got all these internet influencers.
Then you got their cheerleaders, and you know they dick
pull us, you know, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
A long time back.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, you know, so you got all that there who
feel a certain type of way about.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
By things that happened in Houston.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
You know, and I understand because the age we live
in now, everybody is a critic, everybody has a voice,
everybody is a reporter, everybody is whatever they want to be.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Today.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
You know, they put a whole career in everybody's hand.
Everybody is walking around with whatever you want to be.
You could be it. If you think you could fly
that phone, you know, go downtown, jump off a building.
That phone got people thinking they could fly?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Will it right?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
You know?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Man, Let's go back to where it all began. Your
proud neighborhood. Yeah, us home problem man, Acres Homes.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I go back to Bumper Stickers AGA's home, proud Bumper Stickers.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Man, tell me what that was like. What was that
experience like for young smack Water growing up?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Well was blessed man, because my family or been in
Acres Home since the day that it was constructed. When
they started selling it at fifty cents an acre, and
they will put a home on an acre.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
That's where the name come from. Acres Homes down.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Fifty cents an acre. Yeah, and they was putting homes
on an acre on an acre, and that's where the
name came from. Man. I never even bothered the check
into that. I just thought it was a cool name,
Acres Homes. But you come from a musical family.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
My grandfather Grammy Award winning a blue singer born and
a smile. I can't remember exactly where a small town
uh in Louisiana, but ended up moving the third ward
and that's where it's career flourished open. Johnny Clyde Copeland.
That's where it's career flourished. That or dealing with Don Roby.
You know that was Don Roby. Oh yeah, man, I've
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heard many ministers about.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That's who Big Red on five Heartbeats is based on.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Yeah? Man, Don Roby?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Oh that makes since Yeah, that's who.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Does That's who Big Red was based on. Don Roby.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
My elders tell me about Don Roby.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
All he was a cold dudes, that dude. Yeah, he
was before before Motown, Don Roby, before Motown. How you
think Ray Charles made his wife down in and in Houston.
They black stars used to come down here and record with.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Don Roby.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Was tough though, man, Yeah he was.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
He was.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
He was that dude. But he was tough. My pop
say he every year he if you was.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Worth investing in here, buy you a new Cadillac, make
sure you stay inside the wolves, getting tailored and fly jeury.
But you know, he ran a real tight ship, you
know what I'm saying. He he You know, he got
on on my grandfather one time. My grandfather had recorded
a song, but Bobby Blue Bland was hot. Bobby Blue
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band had just hit with something and didn't have a
backup record, and he took my grandfather song and gave
it to Bobby Blue Band. My grandfather walked in the
studio and Bobby Blue Blade record. He like, man, that's
my song, man, you know, Dun Robert Rodun Roby, say
whose song.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
You recorded? That here?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Everything you got on is done Roby endorsed, you know.
But yeah, my grandfather Grammy Award Winn. He won a
Grammy with Ab Collins and Robert Cray Texas Tornado in
nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, so your grandma, your grandfather just took there, he said,
main faith and the mess with man.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah, Man, Roby wasn't the kind of dude to mess with.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
He was that dude. You know that.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
It was a different a different time.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Even my grandfather manager, Man, the Great Robert Turner, I
double see triple p.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Man, Robert Turner was your grandfather.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Man, Man, Man, that's my dude, Man, Robert Turner, that's man,
he's like my my He liked my second grandfather.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Man, that's it. Man, I'm calling Robert death for to
put up on Robert today.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Man Turner was a He's a bad dude, ain't it.
Man Turner, Man Turner, Man, I got some mass turned
to man. Yeah, good man, but fly man, fly man.
When Turner Turner is a type of dude. When he
tells something, you could take it to the bank and
cash it. You could take his words to the bank, man,
That's how solid he is. Turn Turner is a different
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type of dude.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Man. You know.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Turner is a world renowned pimp. Yeah, yeah, turn of
world renownd pimp. Turner was pimping famous singers.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
You know. He the one who told he was like,
was he a pimper?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Was he more like he was a.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
He was pimping. Now he was a pimp.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
That's the first time I heard him.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Ask him.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
He'll tell you, y'all you probably ain't just never approached that,
but I knowing because I was.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I've been around men. I've been around rabbit a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, you know, stump down pimp. He had women who
were stars, hit songs.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Man.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
They were slinging cock at the same time out of
both draws legs twice on Sunday. Now, Turner was a
stump don pimp.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
He managed all Muhammad I leave before before the Muslims
took over, before he changed it. Now he managed cash us. Yeah,
Don King shot skates under under Robert Turner. Robert Turner
was that dude in boxing. Robert Turner was who was
bringing all the boxes over here to the Sam Houston
Coliseum when we used to have it downtown.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Man Turner was a bad dude. Man, super bad dude,
super bad dude. Man Turner is that dude? You know
he managed Little Flip with Little Flip popped game over.
That's who was managing Flip remember that.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
So, so, how how did you well, I know how
you got into music. He was born in the music.
But how did you find hip hop? I mean, what
what made you attracted to hip hop?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Oh? Man, the first time I heard Sucker MC's, I
knew that was it. Man.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Suck EMC's done it for me. Many sucker MC's done it.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
For me, and I knew it was I don't know.
I just had to have it. I just had to
have it.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And then, you know, as it progressed and as it grew,
and then like once y'all came along as a group,
well the first installment of ghetto boys. You know, but
y'all are the ones who really blew the doze open
and made Houston like put the spotlight on Houston.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Man Like.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
One of my most proudest hip hop moments wasn't even
anything to do with me.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
It was to do with y'all.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
The day that me and my brothers saw y'all as
the opening song on New York Undercover Man, we was
running around the house so proud like it was us.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Man Like.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
When it comes to hip hop, the only my top
five influential one through five is that what's in this book. Well,
not what I'm finna tell you, but it's just off
shoot to talk about this, ye'ah.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
But Rock Kim is my number one.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
He influenced me more than anybody, but right up under Rock, Chemists,
Ghetto Boys, three, NWA four, Public Enemy five Tupac.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Those are my top five influences.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Y'all influence y'all like y'all instilled the pride in me
about the city. Y'all let everybody in the city who
expired for greatness see that it was possible coming out
of Houston. And then y'all subject matter and how y'all
approached it, you know what I'm saying. Like a lot
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of people say who's the greatest group or whooped the whoop.
But and I know they be like record sales, hit
songs when it comes to greatest group out of the South.
To me, the Ghetto Boys is the greatest group out
of the South. Not because you're from Houston, not because
record sales, not because hit songs. It's because of your
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song content. What y'all said, y'all said the most import Gordon.
As a group, y'all said the most important stuff to
anybody about the world we was living in and what
we was encapsulated in being black people trapped in America.
No group has spoken like the Ghetto Boys has spoken
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about the black experience in America.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Appreciate that, man, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
This is your hip hop top five Top five shout
out to my dude Caleb Israel to Guard, my brother
who I wrote it.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
With, Give me the give me the short.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Well, you know everybody always talking about the top five
or this top five, this top five that we actually
wrote that book in two thousand level we met in
a Penitan.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
This is you and Caleb Israel Guard be on.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
The back, okay, and so we wrote that while we
was on lock Yeah, you know it's on Amazon. You
can go get it on Amazon, How will is it selling? Well,
you know, anything takes a marketing strategy and a marketing plan,
you know, and we didn't. We just typed it up
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and put it out for the love of hip hop,
because we're hip hop heads.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I like to cover.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So you know, people, once people get
on it, you know, it's the probably the greatest party
book you'll lever a cover across, because if you ever
have an little intimate party at your house, five to
six people, pull it out and run through it and
watch what happens.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
You know what. That's a good idea.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Man.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
It does give me party vibes because you got on here,
like top five CEOs that don't wrap. You got ranked
these songs one through five. That's dope. Oh that's dope man.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
It's interactive. It's like an interactive book.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Top five albums new artists should listen to before recording
that debut. That's dope. That's dope. And you got some
super type ones too. You got Ugu Super Tight, The
Fouji's The Score, Eminem, The Eminem Show, Juvenile, four hundred degrees,
Ice Cube Death Certificate. This is dope, man, This is dope. Dope. Yeah,
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oh yeah, you could, you could, you could you could
have this at a party with a daughter, so you
can have this in a in an elementary school. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, and teach people about hip hop.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
And the narratives and the commentary, and it is the
We got the stories and we got different little little
paragraphs and different stuff for you to read, you know,
about hip hopping, about our feeling and how it inspired
us and how it you know, changed our views of
the world, and just different stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
It's one my favorite one that I wrote it now
it's all I think it's about. Well, it's actually two
and now I wrote one about the first time run
them c was on Soul Train and it was a
Saturday and or you know, kids were all outside playing
and you know, somebody yelled out they window run themseea
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finner be on soul train. And you know that's a
big deal because you know, man, and we all just
took off work. It didn't even matter whose house.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
We ran to.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
We just got to get to a house, you know,
and the majority of kids because our house was the
house where, like my mama was the coolest person in
the neighborhood. You know, smoke, we talk a lot of shit.
Gonna keep it real. You know what I'm saying. The kids,
they and what they was getting in their household. They
couldn't get that in their household, what they got from
my tea lady, because my tea lady was gonna tell
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you square wild what it was. Yeah, all that that
just in one in one fair school and then talk
shit to you while you're eating.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
You know what I'm saying. You're eating up all my ship.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
You gave it to me, you know, but h and everybody,
A lot of people ran up in our house and
my mama was like, what the heck? Y'all running across
and I think she had just mopped, and it was
you know, it was chaos. But hey, man, in the grab,
I say, man, I take that ass whooping later right now,
run them see on soul train.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Right.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
You got tip five causes hip hop stood for, wrap
it up, stop the violence, vote or die, Black Lives
Matter belief for Haiti. Man, this is really impressive. I
ain't gonna lie, bro. I thought it was just another
book when I saw it's just another book, and your
take on hip hop or whatever. But this is dope
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and it's unique. Yeah, I would definitely definitely rock them.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
And the thing about it is hip hop is I
got another book that I wrote. I just haven't put
it all or I haven't typed it up yet. I
got a book calls Sports, Politics, Religion, hip Hop. Four
things you should never talk about with a.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Friend, Sports, Politics, religion, hip hop.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Four things you should never talk about with a friend.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
And I get the others, but why should you talk
about hip hop with a friend? Hip Hop?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
WI break a friendship up if not break it up
at a call of.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
That's true because people have different tastes.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, and we wear hip hop. We wear hip hop
close to the vest man.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah. If you tell me something that is dope, but
you feel a certain artist and I come and tell
you that's trash.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, you're getting your feelings by I will.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
But he's gonna think here's a trip part about it.
I found myself getting in my feelings. I was talking
to my niece's boyfriend when I just met him. First
day I met him, it's like maybe four or five
years ago, yeah, five stamp five, six years ago. So
the first tame I met the dude he got his
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pants hain't off his ass. Some like, oh man, how
let you man? So he comes out, he what's up?
I say, man, I'm not gonna tell you about how
to wear your pants, you know, like, I'm not going
to tell you about how your pants, how you're wearing
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your pants like that. You know it was a penitentiary.
Damn sure you heard all about this, but you probably
didn't know though that. Yeah, that's why I extends you
probably didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
That was an invitation.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Now, I said, you probably didn't know that the belt
was made to hold the pants up around the hip,
the whole pants in place. And this is why y'all
when y'all walk around here, y'all look so ridiculous. To people,
we think something wrong with y'all, Like we think you're
mentally disturbed in some type of way. Because when people
have belts on, their belts are used to hold their
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pants in place. You got on your pants hanging off
your ass. It makes us think that something's wrong up top.
And he had never heard that before. So we have this.
So that's the first conversation. We had. A second conversation
we have and I like this little kid man. I
like them a lot. But the second conversation we have,
we're talking about the hip hop and he's like a
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big that black fan talking about Kodak Black, and we're
talking about Tupac and and and and he's like, you know,
after we go back and forth, he says something about it.
At first, it was very very uh, it was a
pleasant conversation. And he's like, yeah, you know, Kodak Black
be jamming and Da Da Da da, and I know
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that's his that's his generation. So you know, I got.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
All the youngster that's my favorite artist out all the youngs.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
That's his favorite artist, not everybody. Because he told me,
he said, man, after a while we're talking about it,
he just was like frustrated. He's like, you know what,
I'm just gonna gone keep it real with y'all. Kodak,
you know, Tupac cool for y'all generation, but for like
our generation, man, Tupac can't mess with can't mess with
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Koda Black. And I was like, you know what, man,
I'm done talking to you. And I cut the conversation.
I cut the conversation because I don't want to want
to be the dude sitting up your argument about it
here hot something that suggestive, It's even more suggestive. Music
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is even more subjective. Music is even more subjective than
sports is because with sports, at least you can go
by the numbers, you can look at numbers, But with
hip hop it's really a to me. It is so
subjective that it balls down to what inspires you the most? Well,
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do you listen to the most? Whatever you listen to,
whatever you listen to the most, is probably what's going
to inspire you the most. So what's gonna like you
used to use the word resonate, It's probably gonna be
what resonates with you the most. So this is why
I don't even be tripping when people be talking about
this person is the coldest, this and top five that's
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their top five, the big Boy.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
That's what that book is about.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
If if you because if you go to the very
first oration what and you will see that I will
tell you that that is no right or wrong answer
in this book, right exactly, there's no right or wrong
answer when it comes to hip hop and who is
the greatest?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Because who is your greatest?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
That's why that Billboard fifty list caused such a stir
and I've seen Just before I came here, I was
on Instagram and I seen an interview that or the
Auto Dialogue did with styles P and they was talking
about Tupac compath to jay Z and Styles people like
jay Z was a greater lyricist.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
But when it cut Tupac, Tupac resonated more.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
With but but what is a lyricist? A lyricist is
somebody who writes the songs you write. He writes words
to somewhere, but then you know it has they want
to hear some fly slick ship. Yeah, I guess that's
what they talk as well.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
But then when you when you say lyricists, you are
who can make words rhyme and different patterns or different
cadences or multi syllable word. Because Pot wasn't a difficult
artist to digest. He was real simple. His message would
hit you right squab between the eyes. It was live
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and direct. That's why all that old lyricism shit, man,
I don't want to hear all that shit.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Ain't worth ten cents, im.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Finn to tear you what's having? Live and direct? I'm
gonna slap you smooth in the face with it. You're
gonna either accept it.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
There.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
A ten million dollar word ain't worth ten cents, man, Hum,
A ten million dollar word ain't worth ten cents, especially
if the people that you're talking to don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
And what do you say the the whole purpose of
communication is to get an understanding for somebody to understand
what you're.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Talking about, right, And nobody was more understood than Pot. Yeah, no,
and you gotta what you gotta understand about it? That
cat Man, he was the very first rapper in the
history of hip hop that we knew every detail about
his life.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
You know, the thing about pop this is this is
this is what I think that set pop apart from everybody.
If you just take a particular album, you can make
a case for any many other rappers and say, oh
he got Pot. He can tell you if you go
by just an album. But Pot put the distance between
him and everybody else with his catalog. His catalog is extensive.
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In my opinion, it's the catalog his it's his catalog
and uh diverse subject matter because some people can just
write about party stuff, some people can just talk about depression.
Some people are just good with abstract rapping, you know,
making stuffs, dound fly or whatever. Don't really have to
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have substances them. Now it's so cold. He cold, we cold.
But pop subject matter was very diverse.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Little boys reloaded podcasts.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Well, she right back after the Spreek.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Watch this, Willie So.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
And I've told this before, but my grandmother, Big Mama,
may she rest in peace, hated rap. She was from
that generation. She was from the generation before the generation
before him. She was before my mama of them, you
know what I'm saying. And my mama them called at noise.
So she was so you imagine what my grandmother.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Thought of it.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
But when Pop dropped their mama, oh she fell in love. Oh,
you couldn't tell her nothing.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
She she here turned that up. You know that jam.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
So one day I'm in the room and I'm jamming pok,
I'm jamming me against the World album or she bus saying.
I say, big, that's the same dude that seemed their mama.
She say what I say, Yeah, that's Tupac.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Turn it up.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
She stopped.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Oh I like that.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Now it's digestible because you you you he said something
that resonated with your spirit. And there's no way that
somebody that made this can make something that's not worthy,
even though it's not speaking directly to something that's close
to my heart. But I know if he able to
make this that anything else he says got to have
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some value.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
That's a damn good point, bro, That is a damn
good point. Soundtrack to Revolution. Soundtrack to the Revolution. Very
interesting cover. How did you come up with this idea
for the cover?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Oh? Me and my boy cardeal own an operator of
one of.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
The biggest music pages in the city, Music Monopoly or
tap in with him. Man, he always gonna have some
good stuff on that. He posts a lot of Ace
Town stuff. He put our our culture on the forefront
a lot along with other stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
He's a real hip hop head. But we was on
the phone talking one day.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
It was during the George Floyd debacle and everything else
that was transpiring, because it was just back to back
to back to back, and were talking and we was like, man,
somebody got it, and we looking at hip hop and
everything was still party and money and drugs, and it
just didn't make any sense because the hip hop we
grew up with it was it was it was news,
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it was CNN, it was it gave you something. It
spoke on the condition of us as a community, as
a people. You know, it provided us with something to
you know, aspire to some you know, for more and
so and I was like, man, we need we need
like a soundtrack to the revolution.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
And he was like, man, that's hard. And I'm like
he was like, man, that'll be a dope title. And
we just went the building. We were like, man, we
need to do an album. And so it's a collaboration.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I put it up against the Chronic and that's the
greatest to me, that's the greatest produced album in the
history of hip hop, the Chronic. Like, sonically, nothing can
come close to the Chronic, but the subject matter that
it's it's a beautiful thing. Man, it's a beautiful album.
I got a gang of artists on Now, pow Wow
(25:34):
or Me and pow Wow. Got a song on Now
and or Me and pow Wow song. I can't even
remember the name of it, or I can't. It slips
me at the moment. But it's a beautiful album, man.
And anytime, like with what happened in New York City
with the dude getting choked out on the subway, you
know what I'm saying, it's time for that album. Anytime
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if you listen to it, and anytime that something then
happens in the world where we need to stand up
for something, you will definitely pop it in man, because
it's that.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
It's that, that's what that is.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
For those of you who cannot see, those of you
who are listening their audio. Uh, this cover soundtrack to
The Revolution has a depiction of what put it like this.
Imagine someone in an all black eye fit with the
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black panther, you know I fit with the gloves, and
they're holding up a fist. Now take the body out
and that's what you see, the garment, you know, the
out Yeah, you see, Yeah, there is a silhouette that
So that's what you see. It's dope. It's dope.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
And you know why I came up with that, because
I wanted everybody to know that the revolution doesn't have
a color, it doesn't have a face.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
So so the revolution you actually this was your conceptualized art.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Is that? But my potnerg he the one who took
my idea and I told him exactly what I wanted
and my partner t g the natural disaster. He the
one who brought it to life. Here dope, he do
dope graphics. As you can see your Instagram be popping. Broa,
what's your Instagram Smackwater, underscore anything, Smackwater seven ninety because
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you know I'm on my six and seven Instagram page
right now. Okay me Boozy, Freddie Gibbs, you know Reza
is long.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
They give us the blues.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, they's typically gonna give you the blues if you
if you're real with it, you're gonna catch hell. But
the Instagram be popping, and you often you talk about
interesting and uh uh interesting topics that are usually current
event stuff sometimes but it's usually current event. But at
(27:55):
the end of the day, a lot of the stuff
that you talk about is just real stuff that's going on,
but you do it in a comedic way. Having said that,
you're very very sharp, dude. I know, as people have
been listening, they can tell how sharp you are.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I went to college on the full academic scholarship. Every
college in America wanted me. But see they didn't. They
tried to send me to a psychologist because they didn't
know if I was insane or was I just that smart.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Well, usually say the called genius is insane. But to
that point, do you ever, like do you ever get
offended when somebody, somebody that don't really know you and
don't know your depth might think that you just are
some regular dumb nigga on in and there talking shit.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
No, because just today I've seen somebody left for comment
about the post I've done about the government. Won't love
patriots because patriots follow a country blindly and never question
the ethics and morals or the government or the people
that's controlled and control of the establishment.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
He's gonna like, you sound like a clown. You don't
know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
And I told him, I say, since you benefit from
it and it don't affect you, you don't care. So
that's why I say, now you the clown, because when
when something as long as it benefits you and it
don't affect you in a negative way, it's good.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
But I hear that because I've heard you. I've heard
you speak intellectually also, But you you also have some
clips where you kck ass nickel. You hear something like
that and you be like, who is this dude? Man,
what is this dude talking about? And it's easy to
dismiss you, but you're gonna miss in the next video.
You're gonna miss something.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
So you know, I I rarely tell people this, really,
especially on camera, and I don't. I don't think I've
ever done any podcast where I've told anybody this on camera.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
You do it on purpose, That's what you're meant to say.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I'm gonna show you tho. I'm gonna give you the
perfect analogy, something that I realized about us. Because anything
I do it for the betterment of society. But I
gotta got yeah, and I gotta reach us, and I
gotta I gotta make sure that my house is in order.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Befolk I can worry about I can't pay my neighbors
life bill when my rent is do. So you know,
I got something. I call it the airplane effect.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I don't know if they probably got a scientific term
or something that they really call it that they go by, but.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
I call it the airplane effect.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I say, it's like trying to feed a baby Pease,
as long as you try to jug that spoon in
that baby mouth is gonna turn it head and fight.
But as soon as you go, they're gonna be following
us moll trying to get to it.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, and this is us. That's why I wanted to
talk to you.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Man.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
That's why I wanted to talk to you because I
saw it. Yeah, I saw it. I be watching your video.
This is us, that's us.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
You gotta make the airplane sound for us.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Oh, man, I say, Man, I love it when I
hear but I heard man. Man. So do you have
you have kids?
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Yeah? One a daughter?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
You got daughter?
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Hold theys is twenty about to be twenty seven, twenty
what this is ninety? This is twenty three, she's about
to be twenty six.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
You got a close relationship?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Off and on?
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yeah, off and on because she You know, everybody feeling
like they deserve a trophy is a problem with society, man,
And they can't like I can make I can, they
always say, and they say, it's proven through through science
and through numbers that six degrees of separation is real.
(31:55):
That you could get from any from this point to
this point within six degrees, which what that means is
I could get I could connect Willie D to Mount
Rushmore within six moves.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
It matters what it be. Willie D.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Mama went to this school. Her classmate was married to
this person. The person that they was married to went
to this college. Their professor taught here, The dean of
that professor, the dean of that college went and visited
Mount Rushmore six moves.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Okay, that's what six degrees or separation is. And they
say that you could.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Get from n from at one point anything you name
an ant a brick. That's what the theory of relativity
is like that everything is in the universe is related.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Isn't that distance shortened by the advent off the internet?
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Possibly? Possibly?
Speaker 3 (32:54):
But before the Internet, that was that was a thing
sixth like you could get from this to this within
six six moves on the chessboard.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
You can get from here to here? Right be it?
Speaker 3 (33:06):
If you know that the details of what's going on,
that it is something that connects this to this within six.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Points of origin, you know? So? Or And.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Like I said, man, everybody feeling like they should be
a winner and deserve something even for when you lose
is a problem in society. And I could connect, I
could show you how that.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Is right along. It runs parallel with all these mass
shootings and everything.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Are are you saying that, I want to make sure
I'm not reading you wrong. Are you saying that that
a mother thinks she deserves a trophy? For raising her.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Now now I'm talking about my daughter is affected by
the mentality of society this everybody is a winner. Nobody
needs their feelings hurt or sacrifice the truth for somebody's feelings, don't.
I don't sacrifice the truth for anything. I don't sacrifice
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the truth for my own betterment.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
So you're saying that in relation to counsel culture.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
And yeah, everybody is. And my daughter fills writ in
that category. And she's sensitive about things she don't like.
Everything that I say to her is an attack to her.
And it's not because I give you one of my
most vital organs that will take my life in order
(34:47):
to see you live and thrive and be better.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
I would never attack you.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
If I tell you something, it's because it's out of love,
or I see something that we fell out because we
got bad genetics in my family. Like I've watched three
generators I turned. I've been a vig junior to make
three years since I've been vegan. I sat and watched
three generations die because of health. So I'd be a
fool to sit up and follow what I just seen
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three generations go through. You got to be a fool man,
So I changed my diet, and you know I always exercise,
but I got hurt at my job.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
I'm in a carpenter's union.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Shout out to the five five to one Carportre's junion
right here in ace time, or and all my brothers
in the carpenter's junion.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
I know they gonna love it, man, you know I
love y'all.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
H But so they a big eight foot wooden structure
fell on me, told my knee up. I had to
get my knee fully replaced. So I was out of
work for a year, you know, recovering, recuperating, and right
when I'm getting ready to get up to store or
doing or recovery and all this.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Here and therapy, COVID hit. COVID hit.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
That was a year and what three months, I guess,
so or I had laid I put on some weight, man,
because the gym, I couldn't work out one year because
of my knee. Then I was out of the gym
another year and three months because of COVID.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
I had got fat. Man. I was out of that
because I'm just laid up eating and I worked out
every day.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
So once the gym did open back up March seventeenth,
I'll never forget the day when they lifted the mandate
on us. The first place I went was to the gym.
My gym had completely closed down. I looked through the window.
Everything was gone. It was a phone sitting on the ground.
But they were still taking money out of my account.
I hurry up, called hey, man, I'll been taking money
(36:50):
out of my account even during.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
COVID, and ain't not even in the gym.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Man, y'all gonna stop this right now, man so or
But once I got back into the gym after COVID lifted,
I couldn't get the weight off of it.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Man.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
So I was like, man, this is dangerous. My pops
died during COVID. You know what I'm saying, because he,
like my grandfather, had heart heart conjecture. He had a
whole bunch of diabetes, high blood pressure, heart conjecture, and
a couple more things. Man, I say, no, Man, I
gotta because I went to the gym every day. But
(37:28):
the weight wasn't coming off. And you know when, I
don't know how the biggest you ever been with it,
But whenever you walking upstairs and got a stop stop
stop in the middle of your flight up the stairs,
or whenever you in the morning it's uncomfortable to bend
over and tie your shoes or you got a little
(37:49):
female and you know what I'm saying, And hey, man,
get on top money, you know. Yeah, but I was,
I was to that point, you know what I'm saying.
So I was like, man, I gotta do something and
smoking loud.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
You're looking around like where where did it go?
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
It went to COVID and to that, to that accident
I had at work. And so what had happened between
me and my daughter because I since she was a kid,
I've been letting her know, man, like you got to
be active.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Man. You can't just you can't just lay around, man,
because when you get older. Man.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
You know, my grandfather, my grandmother lost her leg. My
grandmother before her had diabetes real bad. You know what
I'm saying, Like, you got to do something. So I
seen something by some health online and I sent it
to her and she took it.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
As an attack on her. You're trying to call me fat, So.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
So that's that's what and so that's where she she
stopped communicating.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Yeah for a while.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
So let me let me share something with you. And
I really do appreciate you sharing that because I know
it's a sensitive topic, but you know what we do here,
but it's honest. But yeah, but that's what I try
to the whole objective of this podcast is to give
people information and instructions to help them navigate through this wild, crazy,
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beautiful world. That's what it's really about.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
And so.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I can one thousand percent relate to what you just
said because I had a similar situation with my daughter.
My daughter is very sensitive also, And it's kind of
crazy because my daughter is a lawyer, and you would
think lawyers got to be hard and always, but she's
still very much in touch with her femininity. She's a woman,
you know, and she's you know, she's she's sensitive about
(39:35):
certain things. And so I had to learn how to
talk to my daughter in the tone that she can receive,
not how I felt like. I had to say it
because I am who I am.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
I gotta stop being so stubborn.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah, I am who I am, and I like people
love to say, well, that's just how I am, that's
just how that's a crutch. You have to be people
where they are, and so I had to learn how
to talk to my daughter in a more sensitive way,
and and I have to think about what I'm saying
that I make sure I'm saying it the right way.
I can't just talk any kind of way because I don't.
(40:14):
I don't want to ever have a relationship with my
daughter that's stand offish or that's my daughter like you know,
it's one thing for me to know no man is
going to ever love her like I'm gonna love her,
protect her like I will. But it's a whole other
thing that she knows that.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
So I have to that hit hard.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
So I have to I have to make her so
I have to make sure that she always understands that.
And I don't plant seeds of doubt. She needs to
always know I can count on this, man, I can
count on this man.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I guess I gotta change my approach man, because I
want the same thing between me and my daughter.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
And it's my fear is the fault is in her.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
It's mine, you right, I got it because it shouldn't
be in it because she know, like, ain't nothing you
can't call me for it, can't get out of me
or get from me. You know what I'm saying, even
when you know you in the room, Man, she hurt
my feelings, man, And you really hurt my feelings when
you play with my money. And she got down on me. Man,
she got down on me one time. Man, hurt my feelings.
(41:20):
But you know that's my daughter and I you know.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Girl boys reloaded podcast.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
We break back after this week. Sometimes also you have
to use their mother or their friends to reach them
because they're going to be more receptive. And perhaps you
know you critique a little too often.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
I don't even do any critique, and I just try
to share information and even something.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
But if you share information, because I share information with
my daughter too, and certain things I already know if
I'm sitting in it to her, perhaps she's gonna look
at it like what you're trying to correct my behavior?
You know why? So I have to be cognizant of
just like when you send a text messages have no emotions,
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and whatever mooved.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
The person is is in, that's receiving it. That's what moved.
They're gonna read the text in and that's.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
How they So when you send a text message, you
have to be very very intentional about how you want
it to be received, almost like you know you're sending
it to a person you never met before, how would
they receive it? You got to take the wigger room
out of it. It's kind of like giving advice. If
you're doing an advice column, you take the wiggle room
(42:43):
out because they're coming for you. You got people, You
got people that read advice columns and they listen to
podcasts just so they can hear you say something wrong,
something that's inconsistent or something, or you leave out something
so they can come in and yeah, pounds on. You
see that he ain't as smart as y'all think. Years.
(43:04):
I don't know why y'all listening.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
To him and spell everything else based on this one
consist of one.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
So you take the wigger room out so that a
person can only see it that way. And if they
see it in a different way, it is to add
value to you to what you said, not take away.
So and I have to and I speak to my
son in a different tone, and you know, he look, man,
we're human beings. So all of us are sensitive to
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some extent. So even with my son, I have to
talk to my son a different way. He receives things
he can He's not as sensitive as my daughter. When
I talk speak with him, but it's certain things I
just can't. You know, I gotta know that that's a trigger.
That's a trigger. And so if I I think that
we're good.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
And that you got you gotta excuse me because I
gotta at least say it one time, because if I don't,
everybody that tune in, they're gonna be like tuned in
and head one time. But my daughter, but I do
enjoy triggering people, and so not intentionally to trigger her,
but since that's my nature, yeah, you know, And and
(44:15):
I might be oblivious to the fact that I am
doing stuff to trick because she liked to use all
the millennial terms and that irks me. You be gased
like me that the what did you saying? And I'll
be talking to you because everything I say to you
is out of love. I would never say anything to
harm you, or anything to hurt you, or tell you
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anything to put you.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
In any kind of harm's way. Never.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Ain't no way you could think that. Ain't no way
you could sit here and think that I'm doing something
to cause any kind of stress, strain or problem in
your life.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
But if somebody tells you that you did something or
you said something that caused them trauma, They caused them uh, anxiety. Uh,
then you have to if you really care about that relationship,
then you have to trust that that's how they feel,
(45:14):
that's how they feel. It ain't about how I feel
about what I said. It's about how they received it,
how they feel about it. So you have to feelidate us.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
If it was up to her, I'd be singing Mary Popping.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Songs the same Mary Popping songs to your daughter. Ain't
that bad man?
Speaker 4 (45:28):
You know?
Speaker 1 (45:29):
As long as they know that you're that, as long
as they know that you love them, you know, like, man,
I'm you know, I'm a total different man around my daughter.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
That's how it's a whole life.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Man.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
She never seen rarely.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
She might maybe instances, but she never seen the smack
that everybody else. Never, even when I was, you know,
in the streets, she never She never shut down everything
that I was doing on her behalf.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
She never seen any of that. Pierre, Well, we.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
As men, we don't have the luxury of our daughter's
going extended periods without our influence. We don't have that luxury,
you know, Like it's too many people out there that
are you know, that are dangerous predators. It's too many people.
(46:21):
It's too many, it's too much, it's too easy. And
even though they may think they got it, they ain't.
They ain't got to figure it out like that. So
we just don't have that luxury. I remember, like when
my daughter was like maybe maybe fourteen thirteen, something like that,
she did something. I punished her, and she called herselfs
(46:44):
gonna walk around the house, not speaking to me. Right,
she gonna walk around the house. He ain't gonna speak.
So what I did.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
That's a broomstick in the back where we would grow up. Yeah, well, yeah,
they're gonna walk around my house. And I walk past
me and I say nothing brought my tea leader would
have knocked you across.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah. Well, perhaps that's why me and my tea lady
wasn't that close, because that's when my mama had done
something like that too. But I you know, when she
she walked around the house, try to call herself not speaking.
She go sit down on the sofa in another room.
I'll come right there and sit right by next to him.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right up on the right up on yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
And then she'd go in the kitchen and be doing
something I go in the kitchen a like I'm looking
for something. I'm just looking. I'm just anything to be
close to her. And then I turned to her and
I remember one one day I turned to her and
I was like, and this isn't going for a long time.
This went on probably for like twenty four hours or so,
but maybe the second day I turned to her and
(47:41):
I said, this is just an example of what you're
gonna have to deal with for the rest of your life.
I ain't never going nowhere, no matter what happened.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
I'm gonna be there until I till he take me
up out of here.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
I'm gonna be there. And they need to know that.
They need to know that they should never have to.
They just never second guessed that. And you know, sometimes man,
we just have to. Sometimes we're just gonna have to, like, uh,
like treat people how they want to be treated. You
know what I'm saying, you know.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Or somebody asked me one time underneath my post because
like if you really follow me or something, you know,
because I'm an open book about aspects of my life.
So somebody left a comment one time. They was like, oh,
and I usually don't respond to comments a lot of
times I don't even read them because you know, because
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once I say something, I stand on business. Whatever I said,
I meant it. It wasn't an accident. I don't have
to explain myself. Hopefully I gave it to you in
terms that you can understand. And or they was like,
you got a daughter. What if your daughter met a
man like you? And I say, man, I could only
wish she did because if she met a man like
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if me, and he told her he loved it, I
would know he meant it, because I've never told a
female I love you and didn't mean it.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
And they came now, female that I ever told you
that I ever been with that. I told that too.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
They were that you're gonna add they were not. They
were like, yeah, I felt loved by him. I know
he loved me. It was it wasn't It wasn't a
doubt in my mind that when he said he loved me,
he meant it. And so I could only wish that
she finds somebody that tells her he loves her and
actually mean it.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Yeah that's strong, that's strong. Yeah, I've never told a woman,
a female that I loved and didn't mean it either,
I don't play with that.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
No, no, I don't.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
I don't tell females I DIDNET messed off a whole
lot of sexual relations in my life by being honest.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
You ever regretted it?
Speaker 4 (49:50):
No, I don't. I don't have you.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Have you ever had that? That that one that got away?
That you said me? If I would have only lied,
I could have I could have got it. I could
have at least had sex with her. Let's be honest, man, I.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
Love it. I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
I love it, which ill kill you. I love it.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
But at the end of the day, and me and
my ex had had a conversation one time because I
had to let her understand she didn't understand why I
was like I was to a certain degree. And I
told I say, integrity is high on my list of priorities.
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Like what somebody say it, I don't care. But what
somebody says when I'm not around matters.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
I don't care. But it matters.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
For the simple fact that I don't want anybody speaking
ill of me around like I didn't done them something.
I want everybody to know that I was fair and
that I was honest, and that I was righteous, and
my intent was matters what took place or what happened,
Like I didn't unless I was just in the streets,
and that's what it was. But when I was dealing
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with people and I told you something, you knew I
stood on principles, and you know I stood on morals
and ethics, and that what I said, I meant. And
if I say I'm slapping ship out of you matters
what happened after me slapping the ship out of you,
slapping the shit out of you?
Speaker 4 (51:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Do you ever think that because of your unapologetic approach
on Instagram or in social media in general and in life,
that you sometimes miss opportunities?
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yeah, shout out to Isaiah Carey. Well, he say, and
I hopefully he see this here. And because I seen
him at all. That was Bunbee album released party at
Johnny Danes over there on Richmond, and he was coming
out the back and me, Cornell and Kid was together.
Speaker 4 (52:01):
And Or and he was like smack.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
That was that that release party. I think I went there.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
I think I seen it up.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yeah, and he was coming out the back and whatever.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
Yeah, Isaiah was coming out the back or and we
was walking up. We was just getting there and we
stopped and talk and I was like, when you're gonna
have me on Isaiah fact. He's like, I can't have
you on that smack. You're gonna say nigga? And I purposely,
purposely I said nigga.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
I know how to talk. I had the trolling.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Wow, man, that's wild. Yeah, now we have to talk
to Isaiah. Man. I think Isaiah, we have to get
him to reconsider like Andre.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
Yeah, but if he watched his episode, if he look
at my ey don't I don't everything you want. You
got to understand about anything I post. I thought about
that that wasn't Yeah, yeah, I thought about everything I posted.
I mulled over it. I'm a I'm a philosopher. I'm
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a real deep thinker. I stayed by myself. I'm comfortable
with my own thoughts. I've been to the Penitankia five times.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
Five times. Yeah, damn. What's the longest stint? You at
the shortest?
Speaker 3 (53:20):
Oh, the shortest stint one year, two year sentence, eleven
months and I've gone thirteen on paper.
Speaker 4 (53:28):
But yeah, I got doe cases, low cases, d wr.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Now every time that you got you caught a case.
Were you guilty.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Every time I went to the penitani. Let's see, right,
I sold to the undercover the first time.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
You reflect, Yeah, full time.
Speaker 4 (53:58):
Yeah so that's good, that's good. Yeah I can't get
around now, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
But at what point did you say, Okay, this ain't it?
And he said, man, I got to do something where
I can be on the ground.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
You know what, in our honesty, or the first time
I went, I got a second time, or second time
I stayed out. The second time, I actually after the
second time, I actually can Because everybody in a penitentia
got pipe dreams. Everybody got a dream. Even the cats
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that I ain't never getting out, got a dream. They
hope that by some miracle that something can happen and
they could breathe free app at least once more.
Speaker 4 (54:44):
And they know that it ain't even possible.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
But it's still good to dream, you know, because without
a dream, I might as well take this sheet and
wrap it around the bars, you know what I'm saying.
Without some kind of hope, it got to be something
that's keeping a man alive that know, he's never getting
out the penitantion, Like, what's the purpose of me?
Speaker 4 (55:04):
Even being here. If I'm never getting.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
Out, and I know I'm never one of my best
partners in the penitentry Roy Man. And if anybody is
on the walls and they locked up and they got
a phone, and they're gonna be like, oh, Roy, smack,
shout at you out.
Speaker 4 (55:19):
Roy was my dude.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Man.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
Roy had double life, no parole.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
He or two white boys called him nigga back in
sixty seven and he chopped them up and left their
body in the woods. And Roy was just a cool
old school cat, you know. And or I got a
potner Kei Johanna out of or. He was from Pasadena, Pasadena, California.
He had a I think key Man had forty five
(55:46):
years if I ain't mistaken forty five ad But you
know everybody, and Roy was a no nonsense type cat.
Everybody knewing the ward knowing Roy. Somebody we was out
there playing basketball one time and somebody follow the shit
out of Roy, and the warden came out and asks
Roy Man, you all right, you know what I'm saying, because.
Speaker 4 (56:07):
He ain't forty five I mean or double life no parole. Yeah, So.
Speaker 3 (56:15):
One time, and key Man knew he was because everybody
used to be like man, why Roy? Because he didn't
mess with nobody, but for some reason he loved the
hell out of men. They'd be like, man, why Roy.
Speaker 4 (56:27):
I was like, man, I don't know, Ry, just cool
and they be like man. And one time I potted
the key. Man pulled me to the side and say, hey, man,
you know Roy got double life, no parole. I was
like yeah, he said, all right, I was just pull
in your coattail man. But one time, and I think
I've told this before on the podcast, but one time
Roy he was the ball, but on our wing. But
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he never cut nobody halt he was, but he was
the ball. So one day I went in. Now I'm
just chopping it up with him. So while we chopping,
I said, Roy, man, shave me up. Man. We just
that's my dude. Get in the chests.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
Man.
Speaker 4 (57:03):
So he shaved.
Speaker 3 (57:03):
We talking laughing, and so I see the dude when
he walk up and stand in the doorway, you know,
and Roy.
Speaker 4 (57:10):
Shaved me up. So I get up.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
I'm looking in the mirror, and so old boy sit
down in the chair. Roy got a chair in the corner.
He's sitting in the chair and we're still talking.
Speaker 4 (57:18):
I'm in the mirror. Old boy sitting in the chair,
you know, like waiting on Roy.
Speaker 3 (57:24):
And Roy was like, man, what you doing? He was like, man,
I'm waiting on my shave. Roy said, I go to
clippers right there, and they were like, you gonna shave me.
You just shaved him, and I seen what everybody was
warning me about.
Speaker 4 (57:41):
Man. The man eyes went.
Speaker 3 (57:42):
Completely black and he looked at him and he say, nigga,
your life don't mean nothing to me. My stomach impstin
went to bubbling. I ain't had nomber two years, already
got my parole. I say, ro, I gotta go take
a shit. I ain't mess with Roy for about three weeks.
One day I was walking by like I think I
was head to wreck and Roy like, damn, man, you
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ain't even you ain't come holler at me, like what's up, Royal?
You know, it had settled down because they what they
was telling me. I was like, no, man, that man
is a real live killer.
Speaker 1 (58:15):
So he he and that guy, they never mixed it up.
It was just that it was just I don't know history.
I just know that moment, you know what I'm saying.
At that moment, they they the situation got dissolved.
Speaker 4 (58:29):
The barber shop. He ain't know Roy.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
Everybody on the phone. I told you I couldn't come.
How that Roy when he got filed too hard on
the basketball court. Everybody in here know everybody else that man?
Where it was at the walls. Man, these dudes got
so security numbers.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
Man. You talked about, you know, being in prison, but
coming from a family, you know, you got a you know,
a rich history of family in acres homes. You know
what was it like with your your your mother and
and what was your father like? You know, what was that?
What was their reaction when you got popped just the first.
Speaker 3 (59:05):
Time My pop's been in a penitania my whole life.
My pops was a street new Okay, he was a
street cat Okay.
Speaker 4 (59:13):
Legendary street a legendary dope thingd.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
So what did he mostly go to jail for?
Speaker 4 (59:19):
Or aggravated? Were his last his last case.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
I don't know what his previous cases was, cause he
he's a four time loser. But his last case, he
forty five bagar was a a robbery aggravated robbery.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
And when you first went to prison or did how
did your what was the relationship like with your mom.
Speaker 3 (59:36):
What did she say, Well, my mom stiff man. You know,
she don't call my house. You go to jail, don't
call here. I ain't askering, I ain't sending my money,
I ain't coming to visit.
Speaker 1 (59:46):
Yeah, cause she she adn't seen this before.
Speaker 4 (59:49):
You know, it is what it is now.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
We at the ghettos man, seven ninety smackwater seven ninety.
You know what seven ninety is.
Speaker 4 (59:54):
It's the ghettos. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (59:57):
So it is what it is, man, I you know,
or the relationship with me and my tea is is
that relationship? But she told me that at fourteen, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
But she at the same time, she knew who she
laid down with. She know what, you know, the night
the night I was conceived. Man, my pops, he stayed.
He was a drug addict. He was he was respected,
he was you know, he was a heroine head. He
was one of the cats that when something new or
(01:00:30):
hit the streets, they'll bring it to him because it
wasn't nothing he wouldn't do. But he also shoot the
shit out of you.
Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
So on the night that you would conceive. You was
about to say your dad.
Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
What, Yeah, he was. My seed is a dope thing. Seed.
Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
I got an addictive personality because my seed is an
addictive seed. That's why, you know, the only drug I've
never done anything harder than PCP. But that's the only
drug that I can't control.
Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Like I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
I could smoke weed today and won't smoke weed for
two three years. I could pop a handleball and don't
need a handlebar no more. I could have a drink
and I don't need a drink. But that whole ass PCP.
If I take that, that's I got a chemical romance.
That's that's my drug or choice.
Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
That's my doc.
Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
How old was your was your daughter born when you
first went to prison.
Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
I was in the county when she was born. A
lot of man had I was. I was all innocent
on that case, A law of man playing a.
Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
Dope on me.
Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
So did you beat the case?
Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
I had to plead I played out to all because
by the time my daughter was about to be born,
I had already done three months. Well I was right
at three months in the county, and they gave they
get you know, it was two for one, so they
gave me six months and like I signed for the
time and like ten days later I was getting out.
Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
But I'm gonna tell you what the cold part about
that with Willie? This is some real shit.
Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
I'm going to court and my lawyer pretty black or
yellow with freckles, pretty black female man yellow with her.
Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
I'll never forget her.
Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
Man, she was gorgeous and or She told me she
looked me in my face and say, we know the
loss planet dope on you.
Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
I say, well, this here is a slam dump, she said,
but they offering you.
Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
I said, hey, what is man?
Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
What is we talking about? God, you're gonna tell me
you know the loss planet dope on me? But they
offering me? Come on, man, what is what kind of
make this make sense to me? I was and I
when she told me that Willie I stood on business.
I wasn't gonna take nothing.
Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
There ain't no way you're gonna look me in my
She say, well, because you know our court system, so
back that. Well, we can't sit it for trial. You're
gonna have to sit in here for a year or more,
maybe just to go to trial. Because I had the.
Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
Bun money, but I didn't want to spend the bun money.
Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Did you have priors at that point?
Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
Yeah, I had, I had, but I didn't have any
dope cases or no, or I had a case.
Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Now, I didn't have any felt that was my first felony.
But when she told me that, you know what made
me sign for that time? My baby mama. Now, yeah,
my daughter had been born, and my baby mama bounced.
Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Back, so goddamn fast, Willie.
Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
And my baby mama, my daughter probably had been born
like two weeks and I had to go to court
and my ain't lend my cousin Dina, and my baby
mama came to court, and my baby mama had some
black Colorado Rocky Mountain jeans. And when she walked up
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in that courtroom, everybody in the courtroom gasped, even the judge.
And I told her, hey, man, come on with that.
People made me sign for the time.
Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
That's some hell of a motivation right there. That's some
hell of a motivation. So how old are you? How
old is your daughter the last time that you end
up in jail? How old is your daughter?
Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
Oh that was nine years ago?
Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
Hold up, yeah, that was that was because because I
my grandma, my big Mama, who I was telling you about.
Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
She died and I ended up.
Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
My pops was real heavy in the system, all the
wardens and stuff nor them. So I got to go
to my grandmother funeral and they took me there and chains,
even though I didn't want to go or and that's
dangerous because she was when I walked into church, she
was the first She was coming out the ladies' restroom
with one of my little Kent folks.
Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
First person I seen.
Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
And it was amazing because when she looked at me,
she didn't see the she didn't see the chains, she
didn't see the lot the CEOs I was walking with,
she didn't see none of that.
Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
Man. She lit up and I and I I felt
like a failure.
Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
I ain't never tell anybody that I've never revealed that man,
but I and any time I go to jail, I
feel like I failed. But at that moment, when she
even though as happy as I was to see how
much she loved me, man, I felt I felt so
insignificant man, and I felt so less than a man.
Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Did they allow her to touch you? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
She ran up in hunting Damn man, that nigga that
made me get vulnerable her.
Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Hel Yes, heavy, that's heavy. That's the side of the
game they don't tell you about. Now you know what
I'm trying about. I can tell you, man, I can
tell your good father, bro, because I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
That way anytime I'm on the street.
Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Man, she ain't no, ain't no way her baby mama, No,
ain't they gonna tell you, man, ain't nothing. You can't
call smack, you know, because my baby mama call me.
I say yeah before either. I don't even know what
the question is. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
When yeah, Man, you know no, I'm great. I'm not
because I stand for mine. Man, that's mine, and i
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want everybody to know his mine. And I'm going to
act the food behind mine.
Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
If you got to, if I got to there you go.
Well man, I'm glad that that you do what you do, man,
and as far as you know, sharing information and instructions
to help the people navigate through this. Yeah, man, it's
quick man talk again. Do it again. We can do
it again.
Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
This was very enjoyed. Why Isaiah carry, I hope you
see this, man, I ain't I ain't you know, I
told him now, Man.
Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
I went to school on a full academic scholarship. Man,
every college in America wanted me, will I could have.
I ended up going to Priview because I was real militant,
and you know, and that was I ain't gonna say
it was a mistake, but it was a hard learned
lesson because at that time PV. You know, PV had
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four straight administrations that got fired for stealing money from
the from the school and from the students. And I
was unfortunately caught up in one of those administrations. I
had a full academic scholarship. They were supposed to pay
for everything, but when I got there, they refused to
pay for the books. And my tea lady bought they
the first semester. When I told she, like, you got
(01:07:50):
a food, they supposed to pay for it.
Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
I'm taking the note. I got the note, they say
right here.
Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
So, so is that how you got into stealing books
and selling them?
Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
You said that postal folk, I tell you, yeah, yeah,
But that was that was that was being a poor
college student not having any money.
Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
I regret that to this day. Man.
Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
When you first, when you first did it, did you
just do it to get your books?
Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
And I had my books.
Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
That was being a poor college student not having any money,
and I regret, Man, I don't I don't know who
personally books.
Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
I stole, man, But I think about that really, that
that really really really really weighs heavy on my spirit, man,
because I don't know who it is this situation.
Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Always, I always apologized to whoever because I wasn't the
only one doing it. I don't know exactly who I
did it to, but to whoever it happened to, man,
I really really apologize. That weighs heavy on my spirit
because because I like to take say what preview.
Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
Did to me. But later on in life I realized, man,
I was I was a culprit.
Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Just like that school to the students that yeah, that
they did to the stud.
Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Yeah, I've done the same thing. Yeah, how many times
you think you did it me personally? But we had
a whole crew.
Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
But how many times do you think that I've done
it personally?
Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Three or four?
Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
But collectively as as a as a group, you know,
because it was time. Now, I ain't gonna say fifty
it was. It was it was one, two, three, four, five,
the whole crew.
Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
Yeah, it was six of us.
Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Yeah, and I know, four times six twenty four.
Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
No three anywhere from eighteen to twenty four, because not
everybody and not everybody had the wherewithal and the and
the the gumption that others did within the you know
what I'm saying, some was a little more, you know,
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had to be co arthed or pushed, like, hey man,
you ain't gonna keep on just rocking and ride because
and the messed up part about it is, Man, I
ain't never even told this part, the messed up part
about it.
Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
Man, we ain't. When the number got some alcohol and weed, Wow,
parted it off man, parted all people education off man. Yeah,
you know, you know I and with this, with what
I do, man, I hope that I'm I'm.
Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Possibly sending some stuff right in the universe in my
life with other people. Hopefully I can inspire somebody else
to say stuff right, because I ain't. You know, I've
never claimed to be any kind of perfect individual, any
kind of angel, any kind of saint.
Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
I just promised to be honest. That's all.
Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
I'm not promise you anything except honesty. That's all I'm
promising you.
Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
But that's all we're looking for, smack, and we appreciate.
Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
You man, I appreciate you as well as and gentlemen
smack water Yeah, thank y'all.
Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Man Talks. This episode was produced by A King and
brought to you by The Black Effect Podcast Network at
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Yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
You know, boys is back and redoded all in your mind.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Yeah, now, deep throating.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
This is for the streets, the real, the reilroading, the distenfranchised,
the truth escapegoating, And they ain't know when we speak
the truth, so they ain't quoted because we wrote it.
The North South East coaches the ge be mocked for
keeping your head, Bobby, it ain't no stopping and wants
to be drop said by and then the system is
so corrupted they threw.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
The rock out their heads and then blame it on us.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Don't get it twisted on colding. We danced to put
no butterment biscuits. It's Willie D.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Y'all ghetto boys in the house back with another episode
of information and instructions to help you navigate through this wild, crazy,
beautiful world in the studio, unapologetic, unfiltered, unadulterated, smackwater everything else.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
You know everything, man, good man, I'm on it to
be here, man, that's the honer you left out on
it to be here, man with the great Willy D himself,
Because like my my homie Nail said, outside, they say,
this is a this is a level up right here,
you know, anything attached to you. The Ghetto Boys brand,
(01:18):
the Rappote brand is always in this city is always
a point of elevation. If you could, you know, mab
tize all that matters with anybody outside of the city
think or whatever they feel, you know, because we have
a lot of detractors speaking on Houston politics and Houston
business and got their feelings and their emotions about what
(01:40):
take place on in the city.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
But you know, and who are these people?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
You know, it's it's just different people all over man.
You know, you got to got all these internet influencers.
Then you got their cheerleaders, and you know they dick
pull us, you know, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
A long time back.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, you know, so you got all that there who
feel a certain type of way about.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
By things that happened in Houston.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
You know, and I understand because the age we live
in now, everybody is a critic, everybody has a voice,
everybody is a reporter, everybody is whatever they want to be.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Today.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
You know, they put a whole career in everybody's hand.
Everybody is walking around with whatever you want to be.
You could be it. If you think you could fly
that phone, you know, go downtown, jump off a building.
That phone got people thinking they could fly?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Will it right?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
You know?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Man, Let's go back to where it all began. Your
proud neighborhood. Yeah, us home problem man, Acres Homes.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I go back to Bumper Stickers AGA's home, proud Bumper Stickers.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Man, tell me what that was like. What was that
experience like for young smack Water growing up?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Well was blessed man, because my family or been in
Acres Home since the day that it was constructed. When
they started selling it at fifty cents an acre, and
they will put a home on an acre.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
That's where the name come from. Acres Homes down.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Fifty cents an acre. Yeah, and they was putting homes
on an acre on an acre, and that's where the
name came from. Man. I never even bothered the check
into that. I just thought it was a cool name,
Acres Homes. But you come from a musical family.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
My grandfather Grammy Award winning a blue singer born and
a smile. I can't remember exactly where a small town
uh in Louisiana, but ended up moving the third ward
and that's where it's career flourished open. Johnny Clyde Copeland.
That's where it's career flourished. That or dealing with Don Roby.
You know that was Don Roby. Oh yeah, man, I've
(03:52):
heard many ministers about.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That's who Big Red on five Heartbeats is based on.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Yeah? Man, Don Roby?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Oh that makes since Yeah, that's who.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Does That's who Big Red was based on. Don Roby.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
My elders tell me about Don Roby.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
All he was a cold dudes, that dude. Yeah, he
was before before Motown, Don Roby, before Motown. How you
think Ray Charles made his wife down in and in Houston.
They black stars used to come down here and record with.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Don Roby.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Was tough though, man, Yeah he was.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
He was.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
He was that dude. But he was tough. My pop
say he every year he if you was.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Worth investing in here, buy you a new Cadillac, make
sure you stay inside the wolves, getting tailored and fly jeury.
But you know, he ran a real tight ship, you
know what I'm saying. He he You know, he got
on on my grandfather one time. My grandfather had recorded
a song, but Bobby Blue Bland was hot. Bobby Blue
(04:50):
band had just hit with something and didn't have a
backup record, and he took my grandfather song and gave
it to Bobby Blue Band. My grandfather walked in the
studio and Bobby Blue Blade record. He like, man, that's
my song, man, you know, Dun Robert Rodun Roby, say
whose song.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
You recorded? That here?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Everything you got on is done Roby endorsed, you know.
But yeah, my grandfather Grammy Award Winn. He won a
Grammy with Ab Collins and Robert Cray Texas Tornado in
nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, so your grandma, your grandfather just took there, he said,
main faith and the mess with man.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah, Man, Roby wasn't the kind of dude to mess with.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
He was that dude. You know that.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
It was a different a different time.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Even my grandfather manager, Man, the Great Robert Turner, I
double see triple p.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Man, Robert Turner was your grandfather.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Man, Man, Man, that's my dude, Man, Robert Turner, that's man,
he's like my my He liked my second grandfather.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Man, that's it. Man, I'm calling Robert death for to
put up on Robert today.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Man Turner was a He's a bad dude, ain't it.
Man Turner, Man Turner, Man, I got some mass turned
to man. Yeah, good man, but fly man, fly man.
When Turner Turner is a type of dude. When he
tells something, you could take it to the bank and
cash it. You could take his words to the bank, man,
That's how solid he is. Turn Turner is a different
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type of dude.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Man. You know.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Turner is a world renowned pimp. Yeah, yeah, turn of
world renownd pimp. Turner was pimping famous singers.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
You know. He the one who told he was like,
was he a pimper?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Was he more like he was a.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
He was pimping. Now he was a pimp.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
That's the first time I heard him.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Ask him.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
He'll tell you, y'all you probably ain't just never approached that,
but I knowing because I was.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I've been around men. I've been around rabbit a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, you know, stump down pimp. He had women who
were stars, hit songs.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Man.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
They were slinging cock at the same time out of
both draws legs twice on Sunday. Now, Turner was a
stump don pimp.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
He managed all Muhammad I leave before before the Muslims
took over, before he changed it. Now he managed cash us. Yeah,
Don King shot skates under under Robert Turner. Robert Turner
was that dude in boxing. Robert Turner was who was
bringing all the boxes over here to the Sam Houston
Coliseum when we used to have it downtown.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Man Turner was a bad dude. Man, super bad dude,
super bad dude. Man Turner is that dude? You know
he managed Little Flip with Little Flip popped game over.
That's who was managing Flip remember that.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
So, so, how how did you well, I know how
you got into music. He was born in the music.
But how did you find hip hop? I mean, what
what made you attracted to hip hop?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Oh? Man, the first time I heard Sucker MC's, I
knew that was it. Man.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Suck EMC's done it for me. Many sucker MC's done it.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
For me, and I knew it was I don't know.
I just had to have it. I just had to
have it.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And then, you know, as it progressed and as it grew,
and then like once y'all came along as a group,
well the first installment of ghetto boys. You know, but
y'all are the ones who really blew the doze open
and made Houston like put the spotlight on Houston.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Man Like.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
One of my most proudest hip hop moments wasn't even
anything to do with me.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
It was to do with y'all.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
The day that me and my brothers saw y'all as
the opening song on New York Undercover Man, we was
running around the house so proud like it was us.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Man Like.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
When it comes to hip hop, the only my top
five influential one through five is that what's in this book. Well,
not what I'm finna tell you, but it's just off
shoot to talk about this, ye'ah.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
But Rock Kim is my number one.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
He influenced me more than anybody, but right up under Rock, Chemists,
Ghetto Boys, three, NWA four, Public Enemy five Tupac.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Those are my top five influences.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Y'all influence y'all like y'all instilled the pride in me
about the city. Y'all let everybody in the city who
expired for greatness see that it was possible coming out
of Houston. And then y'all subject matter and how y'all
approached it, you know what I'm saying. Like a lot
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of people say who's the greatest group or whooped the whoop.
But and I know they be like record sales, hit
songs when it comes to greatest group out of the South.
To me, the Ghetto Boys is the greatest group out
of the South. Not because you're from Houston, not because
record sales, not because hit songs. It's because of your
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song content. What y'all said, y'all said the most import Gordon.
As a group, y'all said the most important stuff to
anybody about the world we was living in and what
we was encapsulated in being black people trapped in America.
No group has spoken like the Ghetto Boys has spoken
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about the black experience in America.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Appreciate that, man, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
This is your hip hop top five Top five shout
out to my dude Caleb Israel to Guard, my brother
who I wrote it.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
With, Give me the give me the short.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Well, you know everybody always talking about the top five
or this top five, this top five that we actually
wrote that book in two thousand level we met in
a Penitan.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
This is you and Caleb Israel Guard be on.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
The back, okay, and so we wrote that while we
was on lock Yeah, you know it's on Amazon. You
can go get it on Amazon, How will is it selling? Well,
you know, anything takes a marketing strategy and a marketing plan,
you know, and we didn't. We just typed it up
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and put it out for the love of hip hop,
because we're hip hop heads.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I like to cover.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So you know, people, once people get
on it, you know, it's the probably the greatest party
book you'll lever a cover across, because if you ever
have an little intimate party at your house, five to
six people, pull it out and run through it and
watch what happens.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
You know what. That's a good idea.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Man.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
It does give me party vibes because you got on here,
like top five CEOs that don't wrap. You got ranked
these songs one through five. That's dope. Oh that's dope man.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
It's interactive. It's like an interactive book.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Top five albums new artists should listen to before recording
that debut. That's dope. That's dope. And you got some
super type ones too. You got Ugu Super Tight, The
Fouji's The Score, Eminem, The Eminem Show, Juvenile, four hundred degrees,
Ice Cube Death Certificate. This is dope, man, This is dope. Dope. Yeah,
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oh yeah, you could, you could, you could you could
have this at a party with a daughter, so you
can have this in a in an elementary school. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, and teach people about hip hop.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
And the narratives and the commentary, and it is the
We got the stories and we got different little little
paragraphs and different stuff for you to read, you know,
about hip hopping, about our feeling and how it inspired
us and how it you know, changed our views of
the world, and just different stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
It's one my favorite one that I wrote it now
it's all I think it's about. Well, it's actually two
and now I wrote one about the first time run
them c was on Soul Train and it was a
Saturday and or you know, kids were all outside playing
and you know, somebody yelled out they window run themseea
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finner be on soul train. And you know that's a
big deal because you know, man, and we all just
took off work. It didn't even matter whose house.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
We ran to.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
We just got to get to a house, you know,
and the majority of kids because our house was the
house where, like my mama was the coolest person in
the neighborhood. You know, smoke, we talk a lot of shit.
Gonna keep it real. You know what I'm saying. The kids,
they and what they was getting in their household. They
couldn't get that in their household, what they got from
my tea lady, because my tea lady was gonna tell
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you square wild what it was. Yeah, all that that
just in one in one fair school and then talk
shit to you while you're eating.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
You know what I'm saying. You're eating up all my ship.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
You gave it to me, you know, but h and everybody,
A lot of people ran up in our house and
my mama was like, what the heck? Y'all running across
and I think she had just mopped, and it was
you know, it was chaos. But hey, man, in the grab,
I say, man, I take that ass whooping later right now,
run them see on soul train.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Right.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
You got tip five causes hip hop stood for, wrap
it up, stop the violence, vote or die, Black Lives
Matter belief for Haiti. Man, this is really impressive. I
ain't gonna lie, bro. I thought it was just another
book when I saw it's just another book, and your
take on hip hop or whatever. But this is dope
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and it's unique. Yeah, I would definitely definitely rock them.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
And the thing about it is hip hop is I
got another book that I wrote. I just haven't put
it all or I haven't typed it up yet. I
got a book calls Sports, Politics, Religion, hip Hop. Four
things you should never talk about with a.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Friend, Sports, Politics, religion, hip hop.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Four things you should never talk about with a friend.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
And I get the others, but why should you talk
about hip hop with a friend? Hip Hop?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
WI break a friendship up if not break it up
at a call of.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
That's true because people have different tastes.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, and we wear hip hop. We wear hip hop
close to the vest man.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah. If you tell me something that is dope, but
you feel a certain artist and I come and tell
you that's trash.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, you're getting your feelings by I will.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
But he's gonna think here's a trip part about it.
I found myself getting in my feelings. I was talking
to my niece's boyfriend when I just met him. First
day I met him, it's like maybe four or five
years ago, yeah, five stamp five, six years ago. So
the first tame I met the dude he got his
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pants hain't off his ass. Some like, oh man, how
let you man? So he comes out, he what's up?
I say, man, I'm not gonna tell you about how
to wear your pants, you know, like, I'm not going
to tell you about how your pants, how you're wearing
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your pants like that. You know it was a penitentiary.
Damn sure you heard all about this, but you probably
didn't know though that. Yeah, that's why I extends you
probably didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
That was an invitation.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Now, I said, you probably didn't know that the belt
was made to hold the pants up around the hip,
the whole pants in place. And this is why y'all
when y'all walk around here, y'all look so ridiculous. To people,
we think something wrong with y'all, Like we think you're
mentally disturbed in some type of way. Because when people
have belts on, their belts are used to hold their
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pants in place. You got on your pants hanging off
your ass. It makes us think that something's wrong up top.
And he had never heard that before. So we have this.
So that's the first conversation. We had. A second conversation
we have and I like this little kid man. I
like them a lot. But the second conversation we have,
we're talking about the hip hop and he's like a
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big that black fan talking about Kodak Black, and we're
talking about Tupac and and and and he's like, you know,
after we go back and forth, he says something about it.
At first, it was very very uh, it was a
pleasant conversation. And he's like, yeah, you know, Kodak Black
be jamming and Da Da Da da, and I know
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that's his that's his generation. So you know, I got.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
All the youngster that's my favorite artist out all the youngs.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
That's his favorite artist, not everybody. Because he told me,
he said, man, after a while we're talking about it,
he just was like frustrated. He's like, you know what,
I'm just gonna gone keep it real with y'all. Kodak,
you know, Tupac cool for y'all generation, but for like
our generation, man, Tupac can't mess with can't mess with
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Koda Black. And I was like, you know what, man,
I'm done talking to you. And I cut the conversation.
I cut the conversation because I don't want to want
to be the dude sitting up your argument about it
here hot something that suggestive, It's even more suggestive. Music
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is even more subjective. Music is even more subjective than
sports is because with sports, at least you can go
by the numbers, you can look at numbers, But with
hip hop it's really a to me. It is so
subjective that it balls down to what inspires you the most? Well,
(18:30):
do you listen to the most? Whatever you listen to,
whatever you listen to the most, is probably what's going
to inspire you the most. So what's gonna like you
used to use the word resonate, It's probably gonna be
what resonates with you the most. So this is why
I don't even be tripping when people be talking about
this person is the coldest, this and top five that's
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their top five, the big Boy.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
That's what that book is about.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
If if you because if you go to the very
first oration what and you will see that I will
tell you that that is no right or wrong answer
in this book, right exactly, there's no right or wrong
answer when it comes to hip hop and who is
the greatest?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Because who is your greatest?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
That's why that Billboard fifty list caused such a stir
and I've seen Just before I came here, I was
on Instagram and I seen an interview that or the
Auto Dialogue did with styles P and they was talking
about Tupac compath to jay Z and Styles people like
jay Z was a greater lyricist.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
But when it cut Tupac, Tupac resonated more.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
With but but what is a lyricist? A lyricist is
somebody who writes the songs you write. He writes words
to somewhere, but then you know it has they want
to hear some fly slick ship. Yeah, I guess that's
what they talk as well.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
But then when you when you say lyricists, you are
who can make words rhyme and different patterns or different
cadences or multi syllable word. Because Pot wasn't a difficult
artist to digest. He was real simple. His message would
hit you right squab between the eyes. It was live
(20:22):
and direct. That's why all that old lyricism shit, man,
I don't want to hear all that shit.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Ain't worth ten cents, im.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Finn to tear you what's having? Live and direct? I'm
gonna slap you smooth in the face with it. You're
gonna either accept it.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
There.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
A ten million dollar word ain't worth ten cents, man, Hum,
A ten million dollar word ain't worth ten cents, especially
if the people that you're talking to don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
And what do you say the the whole purpose of
communication is to get an understanding for somebody to understand
what you're.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Talking about, right, And nobody was more understood than Pot. Yeah, no,
and you gotta what you gotta understand about it? That
cat Man, he was the very first rapper in the
history of hip hop that we knew every detail about
his life.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
You know, the thing about pop this is this is
this is what I think that set pop apart from everybody.
If you just take a particular album, you can make
a case for any many other rappers and say, oh
he got Pot. He can tell you if you go
by just an album. But Pot put the distance between
him and everybody else with his catalog. His catalog is extensive.
(21:40):
In my opinion, it's the catalog his it's his catalog
and uh diverse subject matter because some people can just
write about party stuff, some people can just talk about depression.
Some people are just good with abstract rapping, you know,
making stuffs, dound fly or whatever. Don't really have to
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have substances them. Now it's so cold. He cold, we cold.
But pop subject matter was very diverse.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Little boys reloaded podcasts.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Well, she right back after the Spreek.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Watch this, Willie So.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
And I've told this before, but my grandmother, Big Mama,
may she rest in peace, hated rap. She was from
that generation. She was from the generation before the generation
before him. She was before my mama of them, you
know what I'm saying. And my mama them called at noise.
So she was so you imagine what my grandmother.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Thought of it.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
But when Pop dropped their mama, oh she fell in love. Oh,
you couldn't tell her nothing.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
She she here turned that up. You know that jam.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
So one day I'm in the room and I'm jamming pok,
I'm jamming me against the World album or she bus saying.
I say, big, that's the same dude that seemed their mama.
She say what I say, Yeah, that's Tupac.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Turn it up.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
She stopped.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Oh I like that.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Now it's digestible because you you you he said something
that resonated with your spirit. And there's no way that
somebody that made this can make something that's not worthy,
even though it's not speaking directly to something that's close
to my heart. But I know if he able to
make this that anything else he says got to have
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some value.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
That's a damn good point, bro, That is a damn
good point. Soundtrack to Revolution. Soundtrack to the Revolution. Very
interesting cover. How did you come up with this idea
for the cover?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Oh? Me and my boy cardeal own an operator of
one of.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
The biggest music pages in the city, Music Monopoly or
tap in with him. Man, he always gonna have some
good stuff on that. He posts a lot of Ace
Town stuff. He put our our culture on the forefront
a lot along with other stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
He's a real hip hop head. But we was on
the phone talking one day.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
It was during the George Floyd debacle and everything else
that was transpiring, because it was just back to back
to back to back, and were talking and we was like, man,
somebody got it, and we looking at hip hop and
everything was still party and money and drugs, and it
just didn't make any sense because the hip hop we
grew up with it was it was it was news,
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it was CNN, it was it gave you something. It
spoke on the condition of us as a community, as
a people. You know, it provided us with something to
you know, aspire to some you know, for more and
so and I was like, man, we need we need
like a soundtrack to the revolution.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
And he was like, man, that's hard. And I'm like
he was like, man, that'll be a dope title. And
we just went the building. We were like, man, we
need to do an album. And so it's a collaboration.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I put it up against the Chronic and that's the
greatest to me, that's the greatest produced album in the
history of hip hop, the Chronic. Like, sonically, nothing can
come close to the Chronic, but the subject matter that
it's it's a beautiful thing. Man, it's a beautiful album.
I got a gang of artists on Now, pow Wow
(25:34):
or Me and pow Wow. Got a song on Now
and or Me and pow Wow song. I can't even
remember the name of it, or I can't. It slips
me at the moment. But it's a beautiful album, man.
And anytime, like with what happened in New York City
with the dude getting choked out on the subway, you
know what I'm saying, it's time for that album. Anytime
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if you listen to it, and anytime that something then
happens in the world where we need to stand up
for something, you will definitely pop it in man, because
it's that.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
It's that, that's what that is.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
For those of you who cannot see, those of you
who are listening their audio. Uh, this cover soundtrack to
The Revolution has a depiction of what put it like this.
Imagine someone in an all black eye fit with the
(26:29):
black panther, you know I fit with the gloves, and
they're holding up a fist. Now take the body out
and that's what you see, the garment, you know, the
out Yeah, you see, Yeah, there is a silhouette that
So that's what you see. It's dope. It's dope.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
And you know why I came up with that, because
I wanted everybody to know that the revolution doesn't have
a color, it doesn't have a face.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
So so the revolution you actually this was your conceptualized art.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Is that? But my potnerg he the one who took
my idea and I told him exactly what I wanted
and my partner t g the natural disaster. He the
one who brought it to life. Here dope, he do
dope graphics. As you can see your Instagram be popping. Broa,
what's your Instagram Smackwater, underscore anything, Smackwater seven ninety because
(27:23):
you know I'm on my six and seven Instagram page
right now. Okay me Boozy, Freddie Gibbs, you know Reza
is long.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
They give us the blues.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, they's typically gonna give you the blues if you
if you're real with it, you're gonna catch hell. But
the Instagram be popping, and you often you talk about
interesting and uh uh interesting topics that are usually current
event stuff sometimes but it's usually current event. But at
(27:55):
the end of the day, a lot of the stuff
that you talk about is just real stuff that's going on,
but you do it in a comedic way. Having said that,
you're very very sharp, dude. I know, as people have
been listening, they can tell how sharp you are.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I went to college on the full academic scholarship. Every
college in America wanted me. But see they didn't. They
tried to send me to a psychologist because they didn't
know if I was insane or was I just that smart.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Well, usually say the called genius is insane. But to
that point, do you ever, like do you ever get
offended when somebody, somebody that don't really know you and
don't know your depth might think that you just are
some regular dumb nigga on in and there talking shit.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
No, because just today I've seen somebody left for comment
about the post I've done about the government. Won't love
patriots because patriots follow a country blindly and never question
the ethics and morals or the government or the people
that's controlled and control of the establishment.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
He's gonna like, you sound like a clown. You don't
know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
And I told him, I say, since you benefit from
it and it don't affect you, you don't care. So
that's why I say, now you the clown, because when
when something as long as it benefits you and it
don't affect you in a negative way, it's good.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
But I hear that because I've heard you. I've heard
you speak intellectually also, But you you also have some
clips where you kck ass nickel. You hear something like
that and you be like, who is this dude? Man,
what is this dude talking about? And it's easy to
dismiss you, but you're gonna miss in the next video.
You're gonna miss something.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
So you know, I I rarely tell people this, really,
especially on camera, and I don't. I don't think I've
ever done any podcast where I've told anybody this on camera.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
You do it on purpose, That's what you're meant to say.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I'm gonna show you tho. I'm gonna give you the
perfect analogy, something that I realized about us. Because anything
I do it for the betterment of society. But I
gotta got yeah, and I gotta reach us, and I
gotta I gotta make sure that my house is in order.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Befolk I can worry about I can't pay my neighbors
life bill when my rent is do. So you know,
I got something. I call it the airplane effect.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I don't know if they probably got a scientific term
or something that they really call it that they go by, but.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
I call it the airplane effect.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I say, it's like trying to feed a baby Pease,
as long as you try to jug that spoon in
that baby mouth is gonna turn it head and fight.
But as soon as you go, they're gonna be following
us moll trying to get to it.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, and this is us. That's why I wanted to
talk to you.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Man.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
That's why I wanted to talk to you because I
saw it. Yeah, I saw it. I be watching your video.
This is us, that's us.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
You gotta make the airplane sound for us.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Oh, man, I say, Man, I love it when I
hear but I heard man. Man. So do you have
you have kids?
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Yeah? One a daughter?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
You got daughter?
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Hold theys is twenty about to be twenty seven, twenty
what this is ninety? This is twenty three, she's about
to be twenty six.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
You got a close relationship?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Off and on?
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yeah, off and on because she You know, everybody feeling
like they deserve a trophy is a problem with society, man,
And they can't like I can make I can, they
always say, and they say, it's proven through through science
and through numbers that six degrees of separation is real.
(31:55):
That you could get from any from this point to
this point within six degrees, which what that means is
I could get I could connect Willie D to Mount
Rushmore within six moves.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
It matters what it be. Willie D.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Mama went to this school. Her classmate was married to
this person. The person that they was married to went
to this college. Their professor taught here, The dean of
that professor, the dean of that college went and visited
Mount Rushmore six moves.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Okay, that's what six degrees or separation is. And they
say that you could.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Get from n from at one point anything you name
an ant a brick. That's what the theory of relativity
is like that everything is in the universe is related.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Isn't that distance shortened by the advent off the internet?
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Possibly? Possibly?
Speaker 3 (32:54):
But before the Internet, that was that was a thing
sixth like you could get from this to this within
six six moves on the chessboard.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
You can get from here to here? Right be it?
Speaker 3 (33:06):
If you know that the details of what's going on,
that it is something that connects this to this within six.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Points of origin, you know? So? Or And.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Like I said, man, everybody feeling like they should be
a winner and deserve something even for when you lose
is a problem in society. And I could connect, I
could show you how that.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Is right along. It runs parallel with all these mass
shootings and everything.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Are are you saying that, I want to make sure
I'm not reading you wrong. Are you saying that that
a mother thinks she deserves a trophy? For raising her.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Now now I'm talking about my daughter is affected by
the mentality of society this everybody is a winner. Nobody
needs their feelings hurt or sacrifice the truth for somebody's feelings, don't.
I don't sacrifice the truth for anything. I don't sacrifice
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the truth for my own betterment.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
So you're saying that in relation to counsel culture.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
And yeah, everybody is. And my daughter fills writ in
that category. And she's sensitive about things she don't like.
Everything that I say to her is an attack to her.
And it's not because I give you one of my
most vital organs that will take my life in order
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to see you live and thrive and be better.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
I would never attack you.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
If I tell you something, it's because it's out of love,
or I see something that we fell out because we
got bad genetics in my family. Like I've watched three
generators I turned. I've been a vig junior to make
three years since I've been vegan. I sat and watched
three generations die because of health. So I'd be a
fool to sit up and follow what I just seen
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three generations go through. You got to be a fool man,
So I changed my diet, and you know I always exercise,
but I got hurt at my job.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
I'm in a carpenter's union.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Shout out to the five five to one Carportre's junion
right here in ace time, or and all my brothers
in the carpenter's junion.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
I know they gonna love it, man, you know I
love y'all.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
H But so they a big eight foot wooden structure
fell on me, told my knee up. I had to
get my knee fully replaced. So I was out of
work for a year, you know, recovering, recuperating, and right
when I'm getting ready to get up to store or
doing or recovery and all this.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Here and therapy, COVID hit. COVID hit.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
That was a year and what three months, I guess,
so or I had laid I put on some weight, man,
because the gym, I couldn't work out one year because
of my knee. Then I was out of the gym
another year and three months because of COVID.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
I had got fat. Man. I was out of that
because I'm just laid up eating and I worked out
every day.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
So once the gym did open back up March seventeenth,
I'll never forget the day when they lifted the mandate
on us. The first place I went was to the gym.
My gym had completely closed down. I looked through the window.
Everything was gone. It was a phone sitting on the ground.
But they were still taking money out of my account.
I hurry up, called hey, man, I'll been taking money
(36:50):
out of my account even during.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
COVID, and ain't not even in the gym.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Man, y'all gonna stop this right now, man so or
But once I got back into the gym after COVID lifted,
I couldn't get the weight off of it.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Man.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
So I was like, man, this is dangerous. My pops
died during COVID. You know what I'm saying, because he,
like my grandfather, had heart heart conjecture. He had a
whole bunch of diabetes, high blood pressure, heart conjecture, and
a couple more things. Man, I say, no, Man, I
gotta because I went to the gym every day. But
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the weight wasn't coming off. And you know when, I
don't know how the biggest you ever been with it,
But whenever you walking upstairs and got a stop stop
stop in the middle of your flight up the stairs,
or whenever you in the morning it's uncomfortable to bend
over and tie your shoes or you got a little
(37:49):
female and you know what I'm saying, And hey, man,
get on top money, you know. Yeah, but I was,
I was to that point, you know what I'm saying.
So I was like, man, I gotta do something and
smoking loud.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
You're looking around like where where did it go?
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
It went to COVID and to that, to that accident
I had at work. And so what had happened between
me and my daughter because I since she was a kid,
I've been letting her know, man, like you got to
be active.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Man. You can't just you can't just lay around, man,
because when you get older. Man.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
You know, my grandfather, my grandmother lost her leg. My
grandmother before her had diabetes real bad. You know what
I'm saying, Like, you got to do something. So I
seen something by some health online and I sent it
to her and she took it.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
As an attack on her. You're trying to call me fat, So.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
So that's that's what and so that's where she she
stopped communicating.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Yeah for a while.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
So let me let me share something with you. And
I really do appreciate you sharing that because I know
it's a sensitive topic, but you know what we do here,
but it's honest. But yeah, but that's what I try
to the whole objective of this podcast is to give
people information and instructions to help them navigate through this wild, crazy,
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beautiful world. That's what it's really about.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
And so.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I can one thousand percent relate to what you just
said because I had a similar situation with my daughter.
My daughter is very sensitive also, And it's kind of
crazy because my daughter is a lawyer, and you would
think lawyers got to be hard and always, but she's
still very much in touch with her femininity. She's a woman,
you know, and she's you know, she's she's sensitive about
(39:35):
certain things. And so I had to learn how to
talk to my daughter in the tone that she can receive,
not how I felt like. I had to say it
because I am who I am.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
I gotta stop being so stubborn.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah, I am who I am, and I like people
love to say, well, that's just how I am, that's
just how that's a crutch. You have to be people
where they are, and so I had to learn how
to talk to my daughter in a more sensitive way,
and and I have to think about what I'm saying
that I make sure I'm saying it the right way.
I can't just talk any kind of way because I don't.
(40:14):
I don't want to ever have a relationship with my
daughter that's stand offish or that's my daughter like you know,
it's one thing for me to know no man is
going to ever love her like I'm gonna love her,
protect her like I will. But it's a whole other
thing that she knows that.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
So I have to that hit hard.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
So I have to I have to make her so
I have to make sure that she always understands that.
And I don't plant seeds of doubt. She needs to
always know I can count on this, man, I can
count on this man.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I guess I gotta change my approach man, because I
want the same thing between me and my daughter.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
And it's my fear is the fault is in her.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
It's mine, you right, I got it because it shouldn't
be in it because she know, like, ain't nothing you
can't call me for it, can't get out of me
or get from me. You know what I'm saying, even
when you know you in the room, Man, she hurt
my feelings, man, And you really hurt my feelings when
you play with my money. And she got down on me. Man,
she got down on me one time. Man, hurt my feelings.
(41:20):
But you know that's my daughter and I you know.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Girl boys reloaded podcast.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
We break back after this week. Sometimes also you have
to use their mother or their friends to reach them
because they're going to be more receptive. And perhaps you
know you critique a little too often.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
I don't even do any critique, and I just try
to share information and even something.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
But if you share information, because I share information with
my daughter too, and certain things I already know if
I'm sitting in it to her, perhaps she's gonna look
at it like what you're trying to correct my behavior?
You know why? So I have to be cognizant of
just like when you send a text messages have no emotions,
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and whatever mooved.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
The person is is in, that's receiving it. That's what moved.
They're gonna read the text in and that's.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
How they So when you send a text message, you
have to be very very intentional about how you want
it to be received, almost like you know you're sending
it to a person you never met before, how would
they receive it? You got to take the wigger room
out of it. It's kind of like giving advice. If
you're doing an advice column, you take the wiggle room
(42:43):
out because they're coming for you. You got people, You
got people that read advice columns and they listen to
podcasts just so they can hear you say something wrong,
something that's inconsistent or something, or you leave out something
so they can come in and yeah, pounds on. You
see that he ain't as smart as y'all think. Years.
(43:04):
I don't know why y'all listening.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
To him and spell everything else based on this one
consist of one.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
So you take the wigger room out so that a
person can only see it that way. And if they
see it in a different way, it is to add
value to you to what you said, not take away.
So and I have to and I speak to my
son in a different tone, and you know, he look, man,
we're human beings. So all of us are sensitive to
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some extent. So even with my son, I have to
talk to my son a different way. He receives things
he can He's not as sensitive as my daughter. When
I talk speak with him, but it's certain things I
just can't. You know, I gotta know that that's a trigger.
That's a trigger. And so if I I think that
we're good.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
And that you got you gotta excuse me because I
gotta at least say it one time, because if I don't,
everybody that tune in, they're gonna be like tuned in
and head one time. But my daughter, but I do
enjoy triggering people, and so not intentionally to trigger her,
but since that's my nature, yeah, you know, And and
(44:15):
I might be oblivious to the fact that I am
doing stuff to trick because she liked to use all
the millennial terms and that irks me. You be gased
like me that the what did you saying? And I'll
be talking to you because everything I say to you
is out of love. I would never say anything to
harm you, or anything to hurt you, or tell you
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anything to put you.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
In any kind of harm's way. Never.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Ain't no way you could think that. Ain't no way
you could sit here and think that I'm doing something
to cause any kind of stress, strain or problem in
your life.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
But if somebody tells you that you did something or
you said something that caused them trauma, They caused them uh, anxiety. Uh,
then you have to if you really care about that relationship,
then you have to trust that that's how they feel,
(45:14):
that's how they feel. It ain't about how I feel
about what I said. It's about how they received it,
how they feel about it. So you have to feelidate us.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
If it was up to her, I'd be singing Mary Popping.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Songs the same Mary Popping songs to your daughter. Ain't
that bad man?
Speaker 4 (45:28):
You know?
Speaker 1 (45:29):
As long as they know that you're that, as long
as they know that you love them, you know, like, man,
I'm you know, I'm a total different man around my daughter.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
That's how it's a whole life.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Man.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
She never seen rarely.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
She might maybe instances, but she never seen the smack
that everybody else. Never, even when I was, you know,
in the streets, she never She never shut down everything
that I was doing on her behalf.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
She never seen any of that. Pierre, Well, we.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
As men, we don't have the luxury of our daughter's
going extended periods without our influence. We don't have that luxury,
you know, Like it's too many people out there that
are you know, that are dangerous predators. It's too many people.
(46:21):
It's too many, it's too much, it's too easy. And
even though they may think they got it, they ain't.
They ain't got to figure it out like that. So
we just don't have that luxury. I remember, like when
my daughter was like maybe maybe fourteen thirteen, something like that,
she did something. I punished her, and she called herselfs
(46:44):
gonna walk around the house, not speaking to me. Right,
she gonna walk around the house. He ain't gonna speak.
So what I did.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
That's a broomstick in the back where we would grow up. Yeah, well, yeah,
they're gonna walk around my house. And I walk past
me and I say nothing brought my tea leader would
have knocked you across.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah. Well, perhaps that's why me and my tea lady
wasn't that close, because that's when my mama had done
something like that too. But I you know, when she
she walked around the house, try to call herself not speaking.
She go sit down on the sofa in another room.
I'll come right there and sit right by next to him.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right up on the right up on yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
And then she'd go in the kitchen and be doing
something I go in the kitchen a like I'm looking
for something. I'm just looking. I'm just anything to be
close to her. And then I turned to her and
I remember one one day I turned to her and
I was like, and this isn't going for a long time.
This went on probably for like twenty four hours or so,
but maybe the second day I turned to her and
(47:41):
I said, this is just an example of what you're
gonna have to deal with for the rest of your life.
I ain't never going nowhere, no matter what happened.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
I'm gonna be there until I till he take me
up out of here.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
I'm gonna be there. And they need to know that.
They need to know that they should never have to.
They just never second guessed that. And you know, sometimes man,
we just have to. Sometimes we're just gonna have to, like, uh,
like treat people how they want to be treated. You
know what I'm saying, you know.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Or somebody asked me one time underneath my post because
like if you really follow me or something, you know,
because I'm an open book about aspects of my life.
So somebody left a comment one time. They was like, oh,
and I usually don't respond to comments a lot of
times I don't even read them because you know, because
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once I say something, I stand on business. Whatever I said,
I meant it. It wasn't an accident. I don't have
to explain myself. Hopefully I gave it to you in
terms that you can understand. And or they was like,
you got a daughter. What if your daughter met a
man like you? And I say, man, I could only
wish she did because if she met a man like
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if me, and he told her he loved it, I
would know he meant it, because I've never told a
female I love you and didn't mean it.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
And they came now, female that I ever told you
that I ever been with that. I told that too.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
They were that you're gonna add they were not. They
were like, yeah, I felt loved by him. I know
he loved me. It was it wasn't It wasn't a
doubt in my mind that when he said he loved me,
he meant it. And so I could only wish that
she finds somebody that tells her he loves her and
actually mean it.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Yeah that's strong, that's strong. Yeah, I've never told a woman,
a female that I loved and didn't mean it either,
I don't play with that.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
No, no, I don't.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
I don't tell females I DIDNET messed off a whole
lot of sexual relations in my life by being honest.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
You ever regretted it?
Speaker 4 (49:50):
No, I don't. I don't have you.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Have you ever had that? That that one that got away?
That you said me? If I would have only lied,
I could have I could have got it. I could
have at least had sex with her. Let's be honest, man, I.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
Love it. I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
I love it, which ill kill you. I love it.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
But at the end of the day, and me and
my ex had had a conversation one time because I
had to let her understand she didn't understand why I
was like I was to a certain degree. And I
told I say, integrity is high on my list of priorities.
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Like what somebody say it, I don't care. But what
somebody says when I'm not around matters.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
I don't care. But it matters.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
For the simple fact that I don't want anybody speaking
ill of me around like I didn't done them something.
I want everybody to know that I was fair and
that I was honest, and that I was righteous, and
my intent was matters what took place or what happened,
Like I didn't unless I was just in the streets,
and that's what it was. But when I was dealing
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with people and I told you something, you knew I
stood on principles, and you know I stood on morals
and ethics, and that what I said, I meant. And
if I say I'm slapping ship out of you matters
what happened after me slapping the ship out of you,
slapping the shit out of you?
Speaker 4 (51:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Do you ever think that because of your unapologetic approach
on Instagram or in social media in general and in life,
that you sometimes miss opportunities?
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yeah, shout out to Isaiah Carey. Well, he say, and
I hopefully he see this here. And because I seen
him at all. That was Bunbee album released party at
Johnny Danes over there on Richmond, and he was coming
out the back and me, Cornell and Kid was together.
Speaker 4 (52:01):
And Or and he was like smack.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
That was that that release party. I think I went there.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
I think I seen it up.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yeah, and he was coming out the back and whatever.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
Yeah, Isaiah was coming out the back or and we
was walking up. We was just getting there and we
stopped and talk and I was like, when you're gonna
have me on Isaiah fact. He's like, I can't have
you on that smack. You're gonna say nigga? And I purposely,
purposely I said nigga.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
I know how to talk. I had the trolling.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Wow, man, that's wild. Yeah, now we have to talk
to Isaiah. Man. I think Isaiah, we have to get
him to reconsider like Andre.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
Yeah, but if he watched his episode, if he look
at my ey don't I don't everything you want. You
got to understand about anything I post. I thought about
that that wasn't Yeah, yeah, I thought about everything I posted.
I mulled over it. I'm a I'm a philosopher. I'm
(53:06):
a real deep thinker. I stayed by myself. I'm comfortable
with my own thoughts. I've been to the Penitankia five times.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
Five times. Yeah, damn. What's the longest stint? You at
the shortest?
Speaker 3 (53:20):
Oh, the shortest stint one year, two year sentence, eleven
months and I've gone thirteen on paper.
Speaker 4 (53:28):
But yeah, I got doe cases, low cases, d wr.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Now every time that you got you caught a case.
Were you guilty.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Every time I went to the penitani. Let's see, right,
I sold to the undercover the first time.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
You reflect, Yeah, full time.
Speaker 4 (53:58):
Yeah so that's good, that's good. Yeah I can't get
around now, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
But at what point did you say, Okay, this ain't it?
And he said, man, I got to do something where
I can be on the ground.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
You know what, in our honesty, or the first time
I went, I got a second time, or second time
I stayed out. The second time, I actually after the
second time, I actually can Because everybody in a penitentia
got pipe dreams. Everybody got a dream. Even the cats
(54:33):
that I ain't never getting out, got a dream. They
hope that by some miracle that something can happen and
they could breathe free app at least once more.
Speaker 4 (54:44):
And they know that it ain't even possible.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
But it's still good to dream, you know, because without
a dream, I might as well take this sheet and
wrap it around the bars, you know what I'm saying.
Without some kind of hope, it got to be something
that's keeping a man alive that know, he's never getting
out the penitantion, Like, what's the purpose of me?
Speaker 4 (55:04):
Even being here. If I'm never getting.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
Out, and I know I'm never one of my best
partners in the penitentry Roy Man. And if anybody is
on the walls and they locked up and they got
a phone, and they're gonna be like, oh, Roy, smack,
shout at you out.
Speaker 4 (55:19):
Roy was my dude.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Man.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
Roy had double life, no parole.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
He or two white boys called him nigga back in
sixty seven and he chopped them up and left their
body in the woods. And Roy was just a cool
old school cat, you know. And or I got a
potner Kei Johanna out of or. He was from Pasadena, Pasadena, California.
He had a I think key Man had forty five
(55:46):
years if I ain't mistaken forty five ad But you
know everybody, and Roy was a no nonsense type cat.
Everybody knewing the ward knowing Roy. Somebody we was out
there playing basketball one time and somebody follow the shit
out of Roy, and the warden came out and asks
Roy Man, you all right, you know what I'm saying, because.
Speaker 4 (56:07):
He ain't forty five I mean or double life no parole. Yeah, So.
Speaker 3 (56:15):
One time, and key Man knew he was because everybody
used to be like man, why Roy? Because he didn't
mess with nobody, but for some reason he loved the
hell out of men. They'd be like, man, why Roy.
Speaker 4 (56:27):
I was like, man, I don't know, Ry, just cool
and they be like man. And one time I potted
the key. Man pulled me to the side and say, hey, man,
you know Roy got double life, no parole. I was
like yeah, he said, all right, I was just pull
in your coattail man. But one time, and I think
I've told this before on the podcast, but one time
Roy he was the ball, but on our wing. But
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he never cut nobody halt he was, but he was
the ball. So one day I went in. Now I'm
just chopping it up with him. So while we chopping,
I said, Roy, man, shave me up. Man. We just
that's my dude. Get in the chests.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
Man.
Speaker 4 (57:03):
So he shaved.
Speaker 3 (57:03):
We talking laughing, and so I see the dude when
he walk up and stand in the doorway, you know,
and Roy.
Speaker 4 (57:10):
Shaved me up. So I get up.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
I'm looking in the mirror, and so old boy sit
down in the chair. Roy got a chair in the corner.
He's sitting in the chair and we're still talking.
Speaker 4 (57:18):
I'm in the mirror. Old boy sitting in the chair,
you know, like waiting on Roy.
Speaker 3 (57:24):
And Roy was like, man, what you doing? He was like, man,
I'm waiting on my shave. Roy said, I go to
clippers right there, and they were like, you gonna shave me.
You just shaved him, and I seen what everybody was
warning me about.
Speaker 4 (57:41):
Man. The man eyes went.
Speaker 3 (57:42):
Completely black and he looked at him and he say, nigga,
your life don't mean nothing to me. My stomach impstin
went to bubbling. I ain't had nomber two years, already
got my parole. I say, ro, I gotta go take
a shit. I ain't mess with Roy for about three weeks.
One day I was walking by like I think I
was head to wreck and Roy like, damn, man, you
(58:03):
ain't even you ain't come holler at me, like what's up, Royal?
You know, it had settled down because they what they
was telling me. I was like, no, man, that man
is a real live killer.
Speaker 1 (58:15):
So he he and that guy, they never mixed it up.
It was just that it was just I don't know history.
I just know that moment, you know what I'm saying.
At that moment, they they the situation got dissolved.
Speaker 4 (58:29):
The barber shop. He ain't know Roy.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
Everybody on the phone. I told you I couldn't come.
How that Roy when he got filed too hard on
the basketball court. Everybody in here know everybody else that man?
Where it was at the walls. Man, these dudes got
so security numbers.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
Man. You talked about, you know, being in prison, but
coming from a family, you know, you got a you know,
a rich history of family in acres homes. You know
what was it like with your your your mother and
and what was your father like? You know, what was that?
What was their reaction when you got popped just the first.
Speaker 3 (59:05):
Time My pop's been in a penitania my whole life.
My pops was a street new Okay, he was a
street cat Okay.
Speaker 4 (59:13):
Legendary street a legendary dope thingd.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
So what did he mostly go to jail for?
Speaker 4 (59:19):
Or aggravated? Were his last his last case.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
I don't know what his previous cases was, cause he
he's a four time loser. But his last case, he
forty five bagar was a a robbery aggravated robbery.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
And when you first went to prison or did how
did your what was the relationship like with your mom.
Speaker 3 (59:36):
What did she say, Well, my mom stiff man. You know,
she don't call my house. You go to jail, don't
call here. I ain't askering, I ain't sending my money,
I ain't coming to visit.
Speaker 1 (59:46):
Yeah, cause she she adn't seen this before.
Speaker 4 (59:49):
You know, it is what it is now.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
We at the ghettos man, seven ninety smackwater seven ninety.
You know what seven ninety is.
Speaker 4 (59:54):
It's the ghettos. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (59:57):
So it is what it is, man, I you know,
or the relationship with me and my tea is is
that relationship? But she told me that at fourteen, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
But she at the same time, she knew who she
laid down with. She know what, you know, the night
the night I was conceived. Man, my pops, he stayed.
He was a drug addict. He was he was respected,
he was you know, he was a heroine head. He
was one of the cats that when something new or
(01:00:30):
hit the streets, they'll bring it to him because it
wasn't nothing he wouldn't do. But he also shoot the
shit out of you.
Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
So on the night that you would conceive. You was
about to say your dad.
Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
What, Yeah, he was. My seed is a dope thing. Seed.
Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
I got an addictive personality because my seed is an
addictive seed. That's why, you know, the only drug I've
never done anything harder than PCP. But that's the only
drug that I can't control.
Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Like I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
I could smoke weed today and won't smoke weed for
two three years. I could pop a handleball and don't
need a handlebar no more. I could have a drink
and I don't need a drink. But that whole ass PCP.
If I take that, that's I got a chemical romance.
That's that's my drug or choice.
Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
That's my doc.
Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
How old was your was your daughter born when you
first went to prison.
Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
I was in the county when she was born. A
lot of man had I was. I was all innocent
on that case, A law of man playing a.
Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
Dope on me.
Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
So did you beat the case?
Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
I had to plead I played out to all because
by the time my daughter was about to be born,
I had already done three months. Well I was right
at three months in the county, and they gave they
get you know, it was two for one, so they
gave me six months and like I signed for the
time and like ten days later I was getting out.
Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
But I'm gonna tell you what the cold part about
that with Willie? This is some real shit.
Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
I'm going to court and my lawyer pretty black or
yellow with freckles, pretty black female man yellow with her.
Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
I'll never forget her.
Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
Man, she was gorgeous and or She told me she
looked me in my face and say, we know the
loss planet dope on you.
Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
I say, well, this here is a slam dump, she said,
but they offering you.
Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
I said, hey, what is man?
Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
What is we talking about? God, you're gonna tell me
you know the loss planet dope on me? But they
offering me? Come on, man, what is what kind of
make this make sense to me? I was and I
when she told me that Willie I stood on business.
I wasn't gonna take nothing.
Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
There ain't no way you're gonna look me in my
She say, well, because you know our court system, so
back that. Well, we can't sit it for trial. You're
gonna have to sit in here for a year or more,
maybe just to go to trial. Because I had the.
Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
Bun money, but I didn't want to spend the bun money.
Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Did you have priors at that point?
Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
Yeah, I had, I had, but I didn't have any
dope cases or no, or I had a case.
Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Now, I didn't have any felt that was my first felony.
But when she told me that, you know what made
me sign for that time? My baby mama. Now, yeah,
my daughter had been born, and my baby mama bounced.
Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Back, so goddamn fast, Willie.
Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
And my baby mama, my daughter probably had been born
like two weeks and I had to go to court
and my ain't lend my cousin Dina, and my baby
mama came to court, and my baby mama had some
black Colorado Rocky Mountain jeans. And when she walked up
(01:03:47):
in that courtroom, everybody in the courtroom gasped, even the judge.
And I told her, hey, man, come on with that.
People made me sign for the time.
Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
That's some hell of a motivation right there. That's some
hell of a motivation. So how old are you? How
old is your daughter the last time that you end
up in jail? How old is your daughter?
Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
Oh that was nine years ago?
Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
Hold up, yeah, that was that was because because I
my grandma, my big Mama, who I was telling you about.
Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
She died and I ended up.
Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
My pops was real heavy in the system, all the
wardens and stuff nor them. So I got to go
to my grandmother funeral and they took me there and chains,
even though I didn't want to go or and that's
dangerous because she was when I walked into church, she
was the first She was coming out the ladies' restroom
with one of my little Kent folks.
Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
First person I seen.
Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
And it was amazing because when she looked at me,
she didn't see the she didn't see the chains, she
didn't see the lot the CEOs I was walking with,
she didn't see none of that.
Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
Man. She lit up and I and I I felt
like a failure.
Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
I ain't never tell anybody that I've never revealed that man,
but I and any time I go to jail, I
feel like I failed. But at that moment, when she
even though as happy as I was to see how
much she loved me, man, I felt I felt so
insignificant man, and I felt so less than a man.
Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Did they allow her to touch you? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
She ran up in hunting Damn man, that nigga that
made me get vulnerable her.
Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Hel Yes, heavy, that's heavy. That's the side of the
game they don't tell you about. Now you know what
I'm trying about. I can tell you, man, I can
tell your good father, bro, because I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
That way anytime I'm on the street.
Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Man, she ain't no, ain't no way her baby mama, No,
ain't they gonna tell you, man, ain't nothing. You can't
call smack, you know, because my baby mama call me.
I say yeah before either. I don't even know what
the question is. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
When yeah, Man, you know no, I'm great. I'm not
because I stand for mine. Man, that's mine, and i
(01:06:36):
want everybody to know his mine. And I'm going to
act the food behind mine.
Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
If you got to, if I got to there you go.
Well man, I'm glad that that you do what you do, man,
and as far as you know, sharing information and instructions
to help the people navigate through this. Yeah, man, it's
quick man talk again. Do it again. We can do
it again.
Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
This was very enjoyed. Why Isaiah carry, I hope you
see this, man, I ain't I ain't you know, I
told him now, Man.
Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
I went to school on a full academic scholarship. Man,
every college in America wanted me, will I could have.
I ended up going to Priview because I was real militant,
and you know, and that was I ain't gonna say
it was a mistake, but it was a hard learned
lesson because at that time PV. You know, PV had
(01:07:28):
four straight administrations that got fired for stealing money from
the from the school and from the students. And I
was unfortunately caught up in one of those administrations. I
had a full academic scholarship. They were supposed to pay
for everything, but when I got there, they refused to
pay for the books. And my tea lady bought they
the first semester. When I told she, like, you got
(01:07:50):
a food, they supposed to pay for it.
Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
I'm taking the note. I got the note, they say
right here.
Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
So, so is that how you got into stealing books
and selling them?
Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
You said that postal folk, I tell you, yeah, yeah,
But that was that was that was being a poor
college student not having any money.
Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
I regret that to this day. Man.
Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
When you first, when you first did it, did you
just do it to get your books?
Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
And I had my books.
Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
That was being a poor college student not having any money,
and I regret, Man, I don't I don't know who
personally books.
Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
I stole, man, But I think about that really, that
that really really really really weighs heavy on my spirit, man,
because I don't know who it is this situation.
Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Always, I always apologized to whoever because I wasn't the
only one doing it. I don't know exactly who I
did it to, but to whoever it happened to, man,
I really really apologize. That weighs heavy on my spirit
because because I like to take say what preview.
Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
Did to me. But later on in life I realized, man,
I was I was a culprit.
Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Just like that school to the students that yeah, that
they did to the stud.
Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Yeah, I've done the same thing. Yeah, how many times
you think you did it me personally? But we had
a whole crew.
Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
But how many times do you think that I've done
it personally?
Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Three or four?
Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
But collectively as as a as a group, you know,
because it was time. Now, I ain't gonna say fifty
it was. It was it was one, two, three, four, five,
the whole crew.
Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
Yeah, it was six of us.
Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Yeah, and I know, four times six twenty four.
Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
No three anywhere from eighteen to twenty four, because not
everybody and not everybody had the wherewithal and the and
the the gumption that others did within the you know
what I'm saying, some was a little more, you know,
(01:09:53):
had to be co arthed or pushed, like, hey man,
you ain't gonna keep on just rocking and ride because
and the messed up part about it is, Man, I
ain't never even told this part, the messed up part
about it.
Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
Man, we ain't. When the number got some alcohol and weed, Wow,
parted it off man, parted all people education off man. Yeah,
you know, you know I and with this, with what
I do, man, I hope that I'm I'm.
Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Possibly sending some stuff right in the universe in my
life with other people. Hopefully I can inspire somebody else
to say stuff right, because I ain't. You know, I've
never claimed to be any kind of perfect individual, any
kind of angel, any kind of saint.
Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
I just promised to be honest. That's all.
Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
I'm not promise you anything except honesty. That's all I'm
promising you.
Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
But that's all we're looking for, smack, and we appreciate.
Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
You man, I appreciate you as well as and gentlemen
smack water Yeah, thank y'all.
Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Man Talks. This episode was produced by A King and
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