The Allen Iverson Episode

One of NBA greatest players of all time, Allen Iverson sits down with GBR to discuss his journey, impact, legacy and much more. Another powerful episode from Geto Boys Reloaded.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yeah, gett boys, it's back and reloaded all in your mind. Yeah,
and now deep throating. This is for the streets, the reel,
the railroaded, the distant franchise, the truth, the scapegoating, and
they ain't knowing we speak the truth, so they ain't
quoted because we wrote it. The North South East Coat
g b B for keeping your head bobbing. It ain't

(00:21):
no stopping and wants to be drops by. And then
the system is so corrupt they throw the rock out
their heads and then blame it on us. Don't get
it twisted on code and we danceing for no buttament biscuits.
It's Willie d y'all scarf faces in the building. Collective
Louis are the ghett old Boys, loaded reloaded with another

(00:44):
episode of information and instructions to help you navigate through
this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio eleven time,
n b A All Star, n B A All Star,
m VP, MVP of the nb A. We're talking all

(01:07):
of fame. Wait, let me let me put something in there.
Nigger cross Jordan and told him come in and did
him again, popped on him. Family Hubba Chuck is in
the building, Man, do you know what. What's so dope
is Willie d Is saying this to me like my nickname,

(01:34):
you know what I mean? And I know what I
did or whatever, like y'all don't know how I looked
up to y'all like Alan, you you bro. I we
were sitting in the presence of greatness right now. Bro, Allen,
do you know that he was about this tall you

(01:55):
were you were crumbling on niggas coming down like wow,
like look at this little bit a nigger coming down
there with the with with a heart like fucking mighty mouth.
The feeling is, the feeling is mutual. It's mutual, you
know what I mean. I got up on y'all dudes, tough, tough,
just and my man, you know what I mean. I

(02:17):
grew up on y'all like mall yeah, hey, with my
cour I don't know anybody that don't like Alan Irison.
I do probably people that were more man haters, got
haters hate us, hate on hate us a lot of times.

(02:40):
A lot of times people hate hate on you because
they want to be They wish they were you, so
oh they really hated If you won't, I don't know
if you want this life, but but Um, if I
can do it all over again, I'll do it this way.
I come back the same dude. She mean, I love

(03:03):
the people that love me. I love him yeah too hard. Yeah,
Like you know, I don't want to be I don't
want to be nobody else. I love being me, you
know what I mean? Do I want more for my life?
Do I want better and all that ship? Yeah, but
I'm cool with being me. Jack did that. Jack sucked

(03:26):
them up. Let's go back to your humble beginnings. Man Hampton,
Virginia Happening Newport News. I'm I'm I'm I'm seven cities. Yeah,
because people get piste off me when one place. Yeah,
you gotta you gotta claim. Yeah, I'm I'm Virginia's That's fine, Virginia.

(03:48):
Let's go. Let's go back to Virginia, you know, like
where it all started. Uh. And I say humble beginners
because it's not just a figure speech. I mean, like
you're a humble dude to have accomplished all the things
that you've accomplished, and you know, to be at the
level that that you're at, and and and haven't done

(04:08):
all the things that you've done, you know, throughout the
whole process. I remember when you know you was going
through all the crazy things that you was going through,
you remained humble the entire time. And I think that's
your blessing. You know, you were raised by a single mother.
Your mother asked, my, my, my, my pap? Was my pap?

(04:31):
Was your pops in the house? He spent um he
was sixty five, right, he spent half of his life
in prison, but he was there. I can't use that excuse.
But when was he inside the house, Well, y'all just

(04:54):
had a relationship and out they was up and down, right,
you know what I mean. But that's my partner, Like,
that's my man. I don't have that excuse. I can't Well,
you know, I wasn't really really really really aiming it
as an excuse, framing it as an excuse, because, uh,

(05:16):
there have been people that grew up in single parent households,
raised by single mothers who has done some outstanding things.
Some there are some single mothers out there who are outstanding.
You know, they took on more than their share. You know,
anytime you take on more than your share, I think
you know you out of sight. But your your mom

(05:38):
name is an right. I was her middle name is,
and like that's my mom's middle name also. So that's
why we click, that's we click. We were raised by
some ants. So but but your mom still was there
a lot of time, you know, where it was she
had to take on, you know, more than her share

(05:59):
was right, Was there any time that this was going on,
like when you was here being raised that you felt like,
you know, your mom had to wait the world on
our hands and you had to do something about it
to help her out. Yeah. Like I remember, I remember

(06:20):
being in school and I was sucking up, like you know,
I won't go into classes and I just won't doing right.
And I remember coach Thompson m bring me in the
office and he was like, um, you know you up here.

(06:42):
You know you eat three times a day. No, you
got heat, you got a c um, you got everything,
and mommy at home fucked up, you know what I mean? Um,
no lights, um, no heat. Hm. And he was like,

(07:10):
you're cool with that, right, So you're gonna suck it up.
You ain't gonna make sure, oh we do. That's a
good point right there. Man. I would just like I
will get right back focused, you know what I mean?
On what the fuck the agenda at hand was because

(07:31):
I had that, I had to take care of my
my lady man, my family. Technically, uh talks to change
your life. Huh. Yeah. He saved my life. He saved you, bro,
He saved my life. He he was he was dog,
he was the guy. Like Mommy went up there when
I when I got locked up, Mommy went up there

(07:52):
and and she begged basically for my life, like because
I was recruited by everybody like football, basketball, number one
player in the country, football and basketball, and when I
got in that situation. Can you talk about that situation
now or would you rather just keep the book closed.

(08:15):
I'm an open book. That's why I'm out. But but
let's let's let's go back a little bit first though.
Let's let's because I want to like really get to
understand who you are as a man. You know how
you got there, you know when you were being raised.
You know what was the rules, like you know, like
and what was the relationship between your parents, like and
and and do you have siblings? Yeah? Okay, so a

(08:38):
couple of sisters. I got a little brother, So what
was that structure? Like? Up, man, I love I love hard.
You know what I mean, um, I love I and
I'm I'm, I'm, I'm me, you know what I mean.

(09:00):
It's kind of like, um, when when when motherfucker's say, um,
you're a real one, You're a real one, you know
what I mean? That ship is so cliche, you know
what I mean. But at the same time, I understand,

(09:20):
Like I understand what when people say that to me,
I understand what they mean, you know what I mean,
because I'm just me, Like I'm trying to be nobody else.
I'm I'm, I'm everybody else taken up. I can't be
Brad Jordan. I can't be Willi d You know what
I mean. All I can be is Alan Irrison. You

(09:41):
know what I mean. I can't be the most handsome
nigger in the world, the most richest motherfucker in the world,
the most smartest motherfucker in the world. I'll take their
handsome ship back. No, But like, I can't be I
can't be the best, I can't be the best everything.

(10:06):
Like I try to be who the funk I am?
I try to be me man, and I don't try.
It's just like my sister loved me, you know what
I mean. My brother loved me my mom love me,
my dad loved me, my homeboys love me, my fans
love me. You know what I mean. Like I'm me dog,

(10:27):
Like I don't try to be nobody else. You know
what I mean, Like I don't I don't want to
be nobody else. You know what I mean. As much
as I love this motherfucker right here, You know what
I mean, And y'all motherfucker's theme music to my life
and ship like that, I can't be y'all. You know

(10:49):
what I mean. I can't be nobody else as much
as I love Michael Jordan much as I love Michael Jackson. Man,
I'm me. I'm cool with being me, you understand. And
it's and this little motherfucker's out here. That's you know
that that I've seen at the game yesterday. I'm at
a Houston Rockets game. Dude ten years old, you know

(11:13):
what I mean. And they rocked with Chuck. I don't
know if that daddy put him on that ship or whatever,
but the dopest feeling in the world. And I know
him getting emotional right now talking about this type of stuff.
You know what I mean? Man? I just I love

(11:36):
who the funk I am and who my mom made
me who my dad made me, and all my homeboys
from around my way to believe in me, and my
family that believe in me. You know what I mean,
I'm about to go on this motherfucker on Sunday All
Star Sunday, Top seventy five ever, Top seventy five best

(12:01):
ever where I come from. Oh, motherfucker's try to take
it away from me. They tried to take it away
from me, and I don't. And Coach Thompson always said
that about me when he talked about me. I ain't
complained like I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't

(12:21):
blame the people in Virginia because everybody in Virginia don't
fucking dislike me. Some people wanted minds to win. A
lot of people wanted you to community, and I wanted up.
I had no championship and nothing, you know what I mean?
Like I wrote that letter to Kobe, and I meant
that like he a champion. He was, He was a champion.

(12:43):
He got rings, he got rings on top of rings.
But explain that letter. When did you write it? I
don't know, And that's some real ship. Like I don't,
I don't, I don't know when I wrote an estimate time,
estimated time, I wrote it like maybe, um maybe, like right,

(13:07):
I think right after you got a championship, don't you
and Phil it? What the fuck? Y'all went to the
dance though? Right they beat us, they knocked us off?
Who was it? Like two for they beat us? We
won game one and we lost. Yeah, I wrote that, Willie.

(13:31):
I think I wrote it right after, right after, and
I meant every word because that was my motherfucker. Man,
That motherfucker brought so much out of me, like the
most top. I mean, y'all had no idea, Man, that

(14:00):
motherfucker board out of me. Man. Yeah, you know you
brought a lot out of out of your competitors also
because you pretty much was unstoppable man like, and talk
about fearless. That's why so many people, especially dudes that
I know, like I know a lot of cats from
the streets and all these guys, we just loved your heart,

(14:22):
your fearlessness. I mean, you're going that pain, you don't
give a damage. The dude was eight feet tall, you know,
going up, you're going in the paint, you're crossing up.
It didn't matter, like never just listen, listen, to me,
listen to me, why not you man? Like my mentor

(14:44):
Gary Moore, he's my manager, but he's my mentor. Heat
meant so much to me. He's like a father thinking
to me. And he was like, why not you? You
know what I mean? If it's you and me, it's me.
That ain't cocky. That ain't arrogance. That ain't that ain't
that ain't that ain't arrogance. It's just confidence, man, Like,

(15:12):
who can funk with you? Right? You tell me? You
know what I'm saying? And and and and and and
That's how I was when I when I played the game, like, man,
I don't care about you being seven feet tall, Like
I don't man, I'm me like I'm I'm man. God

(15:32):
gave me this. It wasn't it ain't it ain't like
you know, you're being arrogant or nothing. But God gave
you that talent. So why wouldn't you think that that
talent is better than any talent that was given? H
How old were you when you started realizing that talent?

(15:53):
Like when you got into sports, how old were you? Eight?
And you chose football basketball first? Football? It's a quarterback,
But I said, I saw him as a quarterback that
would take off on you and hey, you haven't seen

(16:14):
it his highlights. My man, my man, Mike, my man, Mike.
One up me. He the baddest football player. It used
to be me. Oh ship, but the fun you up.
I need to come back, man, I need to come back.
Well I'm talking about dude man, Like you could have
really wrote your ticket to football that it didn't matter

(16:35):
what you wanted to do. You could have done either.
How how did you resolve to go towards basketball this situation? Okay,
like they stopped recruiting me when I got in the
bowling okay, yeah, yeah, So you had the bowling alley
incident when you were in high school. He was getting
ready to go to college and they come after like

(16:57):
like this was this was this was walk us through
it because from what I understand, it was somebody was
making some type of racial statement towards y'all or something
like that, and then a fighting sued and they came
after you instead of going after the people who actually started.
I was the guy in there that everybody know I was.

(17:21):
I was basically, um, I was reilroaded. Mm hm you
know what I mean? Like I don't like to use
them the radio card because I ain't no racist, Like
I ain't no racist motherfucker, you know what I mean?

(17:42):
Many white boys and different How do you say this
ship at ethnic ethnicities? Ethnicities? Yeah, I love everybody, you
know what I mean? Um, we kind of we're closer
in the same and that regard because but I love
everybody I played with, But I played with dude, nobody

(18:06):
that I love who loved me and I hate to
hate me. I love who loved me, and I hate
who hate me. You know what I mean? Well me,
I'm the hate that hate produced. So dog, it was,
it was, it was. It was all bad. It was.
It was. It was like it was like, um, and
it bothered me to talk about it now and I'm

(18:27):
gonna leave this alone. Um, but it was like, man,
you know, I when when when you grow up, you
being an awesome rapper. You've been an awesome rapper, and
everybody's saying we can't wait for you to make it.
You're gonna make it. You're gonna you know what I mean,
You're gonna be the ship that blah. And then when

(18:52):
it happened, it's like that motherfucker, he don't do nothing
for me, you know what I mean, Like, what do
you do for me? You understand? Like, and it was
like like it fucked me up and it hurt me
that regardless white, black, or whatever, the people from my

(19:19):
hometown tried to railroad me and I represent them the
best way, yeah I can, Like I try to be
a solid motherfucker. I try to be the best dude
that I can be, and I try to represent my city,
um the best way I can and the honest way

(19:43):
I can, you know what I mean. And for them
to do that to me, it sucked me up and
it took it took a while for me to recover
from from that ship because you know, like I got
homeboys that ain't my homeboys the more you know what
I mean, and that ship hurt dog, you know what

(20:04):
I mean, because you you you think, like what the
fund did you do? Because you started questioning yourself, you
know what I mean, Like, you know, why would my
homeboys not fun with me no more? But at the
same time, look at them, motherfucker's too. They wouldn't funk

(20:28):
with you anymore because you started where they started and
they're still there. That's why. But man, Willie, I ain't
never do that. All I ever did I'm saying is
that What I'm saying is that you moved on as

(20:49):
far as like your growth, your career. You had a career,
you had, you pursued your goals. I had to get
in pursuit and and and y'all started in the same place.
Y'all went, y'all walk the same streets, y'all went to
the same schools, y'all played on the same playground, and
y'all had the same and y'all probably slept at each

(21:10):
other houses and eight eight at each other's houses. So
they really really know you more than everybody else know
where you and you grew, you moved further, you took
it another, you took it somewhere else, and they are
they were still stuck in that same place, and they
resent you for that. And let me tell you something else.

(21:30):
Let me tell you this right here. I swear to
God on my life, on my life, I wish them
nothing but the best, man, I don't. I hope they prospered.
I hope their kids are fine. I hope the family

(21:54):
is great and all that. We just don't rock no more,
you know what I mean? I wish the best for him.
I wouldn't. I wish the best for I wish no
harm on him or nothing. Jack. You know what I mean?
I want, I want the best for all of my
homeboys that I don't funk with no more. And I
don't know. And I don't know because like like what

(22:15):
motherucker's say, what they're saying, and um in relationships, uh
um they motherfucker's grow apart or something like that. Yeah,
you know what I mean. I don't believe in that,
Like I ain't. I've been with my girl thirty years.
I ain't trying to grow apart, you know what I'm saying, Like,
I ain't trying to grow apart from her, you know

(22:37):
what I mean. That's all I got. That's my lady.
That's we were together a fucking month after we got
divorce after thirteen years. You know what I mean, all me,
all my funk ups, all me. You know what I mean.
But I don't believe in that grow apart ship. You

(22:59):
know what I mean. I think when you and another
individual is authentic with each other and his love and
I'm supposed to go nowhere, Jack, for clarity, you said
that y'all were together. You you meant to say that
y'all were apart for a month after y'all divorced, and

(23:19):
then y'all connected. We were, we were. We got divorced
in thirteen, Yeah, and we were together, um less than
a month after that. Y'all got back together less after that. Yeah. Yeah,
I had to do some I had to do some bagging.

(23:41):
So that was the same year that you retired in
two thousand thirteen. I retired and I got divorce in thirteen.
I retired in ten. Right, I thought you retired in
two thousand retired, Man, I'm not. He did it? What
it's hey? Yo? Want a ten? Yeah? I retired in ten,

(24:08):
two thousand ten. Yeah, come on, what are you fucking
me up? I got a good one for you. When
when Um, when Um Philadelphia came down to play the Rockets,
we set on the floor, me and my son, the
oldest boy, and um Al came to the bench, you know,

(24:29):
at the halftime. Man, he sat down next to us.
Man took his shoes off scoom and he signed both
of them shoes to my son. October two thousand Appreciate it.
You know, I'm I might I might have been washed
up then, Yeah, for me to think that. But he
signed both of his shoes, took him off his feet
and signed him and gave him a boy man and

(24:51):
walked to the locker room bad foot it. That's just
what kind of dude he is. Man. Its super solid
from day one. Broa always man, big dog status, always
kept one. You know, that's my things on. I don't
know why because he was awesome on that motherfucker you
and him for a long time. Man, Yeah, yeah, God

(25:13):
damn you go through the situation with uh the to
hit you with what charge naming by mab by mat.
They gave me, they gave me, They gave me fifteen years,

(25:35):
and they suspended they suspended I think they suspended time
like I was. I was, Um. I didn't go to
the I didn't go to the penitentiary. I went to
in the correctional facility. Yeah, uh like a halfway house.
But they had me on the side with the the
guys that was in a halfway so they was going

(25:57):
to work every day. But they put me on that
side because obviously who I was, and like the most
time that you could have in there was um was
five years, you know what I mean? Four months he
was in there for four months. So he was in
there for four months. Why are you in there? Your

(26:19):
life is flashing before you. You're saying to yourself, Man,
damn if I can get out of this, God, come
on God. And then my lawyers was telling me every
day that I was getting out. That's what that was
what made it hot. Like one of the guys that
we were just discussing earlier that I don't funk with

(26:43):
no more, but I still love him. He was telling me, Bro,
you're not getting out, Get the funk out of here.
He was telling me that. But he was helping me
because I was thinking every day. My lawyers was telling
me every day that I was coming home. So they
every day they like, you're gonna get out tomorrow. You're
gonna get out tomorrow. You're gonna get out tomorrow. And

(27:04):
then like, I'm in this motherfucker. And I remember him
telling me. He was like, um now he visited and
he was like, yo, why you got that cross on
because I got somebody to make me across and yeah,
you know what I mean, and and and he was
like yo, what what what you doing to him? Like
you know, I'll just be reading the Bible and blin

(27:27):
and he was like, what the fund you reading the
Bible for? What was you reading the Bible when you
were out? And I'm like, like, that's what dudes doing here?
And he basically was telling me like, motherfucker you go.
You into that mystique of like basically, um, what what

(27:48):
what when when dudes getting locked up? What is the ship? They?
What is no? Um? You get um? Um? What's the ship?
You get? Uh? Like when guys come out and and
and they still stuck in the program. Yeah, but they

(28:09):
institutionalized yeah, like you know what I mean, like why
are you doing that? You're not getting out of here, man,
so do your time, but look but listen. It helped me, yeah,
because I in my mind, I'm thinking I ain't going nowhere.
Like when you get out, you get your ass on

(28:33):
that motherfucking court man. The motherfucker my man pain. He ran,
He ran to jail man, put up a new court
in that joint everything. You know what I mean? When
I when I when I first looked, when I first
started playing out there, they was filing me so crazy.

(28:57):
I mean I called ball one time, my ball. Motherfucker
looked at me like are you serious? Like this ain't bathroom, motherfucker.
You know where you were at? No fouls out here.
I went and told him that ship, and he let
me come out for an hour or two every day,

(29:20):
just work on my game. So when I got out,
I was published. I was ready. I was ready. Straight
to Georgetown, like, um, I went there. I think I
went there. Alonzo Morning was there with coach. That's my
partner too. Yeah, And and I went right from jail

(29:41):
um to getting on the court. That was a time
before you went to Georgetown that you had to wait
to see what Governor Douglas do, what kind of decision
he would make in your case. And I know that
had to be that have to be a very very
nervous time for you right there, huh, just waiting to

(30:03):
try to see if they were gonna give you some relief.
I thought he was gonna do it. I mean, thinking
back on, I don't know, man, I think he was
going to do it because of everything I heard about him,
what type of man he was, you know what I mean, like,

(30:26):
and he knew that it was some bullshit, you know
what I mean like. And then those people, like those
people in Virginia, they fought for me, man, they did.
I know. I saw that. It was like they they
fought for me. Man. I saw a special on Alan
and um that's funny. You called me Alan my bad Chuck.

(30:52):
But I saw a special man and they put that
in there. Man. And I know that Coach Thompson put
put a lot to you, bro, you know, and for
you to turn out, you know what you turned out
to be in the NBA from that right there. Like,
it's extremely impressive, brod that I ain't done making them proud. Man,

(31:18):
I'm not. I'm not done making him. I ain't did enough.
It's little dudes, o't hear that? I gotta Oh yeah,
you gott you got some more ships that? Did you
ever tell coach we can't talk about no game. We're
talking about practicing. We talked, man, listen, so this is

(31:41):
my last time doing this? Um, I'm talking about Thompson.
Did you ever tell him that this is my last
time doing it? Whatever? Man, I never told him that.
I know. I wouldn't brave enough to do no ship
like to tell him to telling him nothing like that.
Um My, his friend had just got killed and they

(32:08):
were talking about trading me that year and I went
to Um, I met with the general manager and I
met with Coach Brown, and they assured me that I
wasn't getting traded. But I was going through some ship
at that time because my kids, like they were going
to school and their their classmates were saying, tell your dad,

(32:31):
don't leave, and their teachers was, you know what I mean,
Like they was going through it. Like I can, I
can deal with this ship, but with my kids and
my girl having to go through that, it was a problem.
So I was happy as motherfucker when I went in
there with the general manager and they was like, you
ain't going nowhere, you know what I mean. So the

(32:52):
press conference was supposed to be me assuring the fans
and everybody in Philadelphia sing that I ain't going nowhere,
and the motherfucker's kept asking me about practice. I just yeah,
I lost it. I lost it, you know what I mean? Like,

(33:14):
when did you ever question yourself after when they made
that statement about practice? Did you have a question yourself
and be like, well, no, because you can't be a
bad motherfucker like that if you don't practice right, like well, well,
the statement itself made people think that you didn't care

(33:34):
about practice, you know, like you had bad but okay,
let's clear that up. Did you have bad practice happens?
Did you did you? Would you? Would you? Like like
like real can practice? You were serious about your practice?
Or did you you about drills? Okay, but if you

(33:56):
played five on five, then I'm ready. I want to
do that. I ain't. I didn't care too much for
this way, this way, you know what I mean. I
already knew that throw the ball up and let's go
like that was my thing, you know what I mean? Like,
so you did so you didn't have a pattern of
skipping practice. You went to practice, but I had. I

(34:22):
had a pattern of skipping. Yeah, they were doing drills
that day. No, sometimes I was out too late. And
when I come in there, I don't feel like it,
you know what I mean. I'm a man, I'm a human.
You you you I'm just tell me what you what
you want me to make a sound fly to you?

(34:45):
I ain't doing I ain't doing that. I was not Kobe.
Kobe was something else. He was the guy, like I said,
we're in the club. That motherfucker's in the gym oh ship,
you know what I mean? And and and that's what
separated him from a whole lot of dudes, even myself.

(35:07):
Do you ever but do you ever think to yourself
they were like, Okay, I'm I'm top whatever I'm I'm
I'm a Hall of Famers. Great, But what if I
had practice more? You ever think that, what if iout
the live weights? What about it? You know what I mean?
What if I would? Um dedicated myself more? But I

(35:28):
did a lot. I dedicated myself a lot to to
to be who I'm who I am. I did a lot.
Would you say you gave what you could to the
maximum at the same time to maintain your sanity? You know,

(35:49):
like you gave as much as you could to maintain
your sanity because you have to have balance, right, something
like like Dennis Rodman. Dennis Rodman used to like, I
gotta go to Vegas. Man. We're in the midd the playoffs.
I saw the last day, but I gotta go to Vegas.
You know what I'm saying, Like Roman, but I'm saying
that Dennis Rodman don't go to the Vegas. He might

(36:09):
not mean perhaps he's not as effective on the court
because he needed that balance. Um, did you feel like
I'm saying that's what That's what he did? That's that's
what didn't and that's what he did. What I'm saying,
what I'm saying just a bad motherfucker. So some some

(36:30):
people just crazy, man, some people are just awesome. But
did you feel like you had to have that kind
you had to have your own balance by not going
to practice sometimes or whatever, doing no just just living,

(36:52):
like just living living my life, like being happy, like
being I don't know, man, you know what I'm saying,
like just living your living your life. Like one of
my off days. I know, Raw I wish he was

(37:16):
here to have a bad day, like I know he
wished he could have a bad day. Like it's motherfucker's
that I love. They wish they could have a bad day.
And I had bad days. I had. I had days
where not even I'm calling it a bad day, I

(37:37):
don't mean it like that. I did what I wanted
to do. I'm gonna do that until I'm gone. Man.
I'm the greatest father, I'm the greatest homeboy. I'm the
greatest brother, I'm the greatest son. I'm the greatest everything

(37:58):
that I try to be. That's who I am. Do
I make mistakes? Do I suck up? Hell? Yeah? Do
I wish I wouldn't have did this and did that. Yeah, yeah,
I wish. I mean, what then can I do? I
can't do nothing else but be me and be happy

(38:19):
as a motherfucker long as motherfucker's like, y'all rock with me.
My family loved me, my teammates, my God love me
out of here. Man, I'm cool. Cool. They tell us
about your relationship with John Thompson coach John Thompson at Georgetown.

(38:42):
The only thing I can say is love. He saved
my life, did y'all? I'm sure y'all had like hundreds
of talks. Is there anything that that really just stand out?
Something something that he said to you that just you tough? Okay,

(39:02):
I'm a football player right here. I'm a football player.
I'm better in football than I ever would be in basketball.
I swear to God, dog, I'm a football player. And
I remember we was in the weight room, and you know,
I ain't living no weights, so I'm just down there
just sitting, you know, sitting on the bench. And I

(39:27):
used to walk past like with with um our our
our school. You had to walk past the um the
football field to get to the gym, to the gym
and every time. I used to walk by and I
used to cry, you know what I mean, like to
where is? It? Got so fucked up with me. I

(39:49):
wouldn't look in that direction, you know what I mean
to see the field. One day I went in the
motherfucker and I was like, coach, like, I'm thinking my
playing football, you little motherfucker. Don't you ever say anything
stupid like that to me ever again? You hear me, motherfucker.

(40:15):
Damn coach, that's yo, the worst mouth ever, really, man, Coach,
I was terrible. Don't you ever come in here and
say no ship like that to me again? I get
the funk out of my face, like yo, And I
never thought about playing football ever again. I never thought

(40:38):
about playing football again. And that was my and and
that was my coach. And one more joint, one more joint.
This would make me feel like I was a superhero,
I swear to god. My man, um my teammates, was

(41:01):
in in the bathroom and all the coaches after the game,
they being you know, they huddle up at the games,
and they're be in the bathroom basically, so we can't
hear what the fun they're talking about. And my man
was shitting and he heard them talking and he came

(41:26):
out and told me. He was like, man, I was
in the bathroom. They didn't know I was in there,
and Coach was just saying, that's a bad little motherfucker,
you know what I mean. And when he told me that,
and I knew that Coach thought that about me, play
the game the rest of it. I mean, it just

(41:49):
I felt like black Jesus. I felt like Mike, Like
I just felt like I was like, because somebody that
that you, yes, yes, you felt an obligation to not
let him down. No, it won't, it won't even that.
It just it like I already had the confidence in myself,

(42:09):
but you know, for my man telling me that you're
a bad motherfucker made you even bader. Motherfucker's my confidence
level like through the roof. And I was like, yo,
But he would never tell me that. He would never like,

(42:30):
he would never like he didn't tell me that until
it was over, you know what I mean. Then he
started telling me stuff that, you know what I mean, like,
m my motherfucking man dog. When I when I heard

(42:52):
that Coach Thompson died, I felt like I lost a
family member. And I never met Coach Thompson in my life.
But I know what he meant to you. I know
how close that y'all were, Like, where were you when
you found out that he died? Yeah, I uh just talked.

(43:14):
I just talked talked to Ronnie and he was telling
me like, you're just telling me the coach won't right.
You're telling him like I don't. You don't got maybe

(43:34):
a week and next morning, no, man, And I beat
myself up. I beat myself up and the ship because

(43:57):
I suppose he went there. I supposed it went there.
But I'm happy I ain't go you know what I mean,
because I don't want to see that. I didn't want
to see that ship. That was my my man. Man,
man saved my life, you know what I mean, Man

(44:19):
saved my life, he said, in my life. Did you
attend the funeral? Mm hmm. Great part about that, man.
Y'all got some good ass memories together. Man, you know
that's what life is all about, making new memories, making
memories and new memories. Bro. And he puts you, put

(44:44):
you in a position to provide for your entire family
and all that, all that, all that. Like my kids,
you know what I mean, they don't want for nothing.
I can you know what I mean. They don't even
get out academic scholarship or whatever. He's still going to college.

(45:07):
You know what I'm saying, Like like I fought for
this ship, man, Like I I full for this ship,
you know what I mean? And then like just just
to be who I am, man, be legendary in this world,
like motherfucker called me a legend, Like that ship is
the coolest ship in the world, in the world, straight out,

(45:33):
straight out the motherfucker hood man from the mud. Man,
I'm going, I'm, I'm, I'm I want to be better.
I'm I want to do more, Chip like I want
to I want to see what we're witnessing right now. Man,
is the reason why people funk with you. Bro. This
this is this is it, bro, Like this is why

(45:55):
we wanted to talk to you. It's like Allen hell, yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Like we gotta talk to
we gotta talk to you, you know uh. And I
think that that's one of the reasons why, one of
the big the biggest reason why so many people rallied
behind you anytime you got in a jam or whatever,
any time that you was facing any type of you know,

(46:15):
misfortune or whatever. It was just people just was always
in in in high hopes. Man, But it's boomerang. Is
ship is boomerang? Like you think that I don't feel
the same way, the same the sentiments you're giving me.

(46:38):
Like I feel the same way like I grew up.
I grew up off y'all, you know what I mean.
And then this is a fucking honor to me, Like
this is bucket list ship for me, you know what
I mean? Like I get a chance. I got a
chance to go and tell my homeboys, even if they

(46:59):
don't see this, like this, I did podcast with the
ghetto boys. Like I get it. I get it, like
I get it. I get a chance to do this,
this bucket list ship for me. This is where I
grew up, idolizing. Yo, I grew up idolizing, y'all, you
know what I mean. And then look where I'm at.

(47:22):
You tell me, God don't love me, man, beautiful ship,
beautiful with something else that was on your bucket list.
I'm well, I'm wondering if this was on your bucket
list when you was MC jews. You know, like you
get sorry, man, I don't do that. And and the

(47:44):
only reason I was doing that is because my homeboys
wanted to get on that. So that wasn't was that
a bucket list thing or it's just something you know,
just my my homeboys wanted to they was they was rappers,
you know what I mean, Like he I mean, that's raw,
you know what I mean. So I did that. I
did that for them, for my homeboys business doing that.

(48:11):
But you know, but you know, well, I guess it
wasn't something that you was passionate about. So you wouldn't
have missed it in life if you had not done
it right now and and and then and then at
the same time, like it cost me a whole bunch
of problems, like caused me a problems if relationships up. Wow,

(48:31):
you know what I mean, Like he was doing business
with your homies. Yea, that ship right there, like doing
business with your homeboys, and then you love them motherfucker's.
Like like one of the worst feelings in the world
is when one of you motherfucker's that you love ship

(48:53):
on you like a motherfucking I mean sand box motherfucker's
Like motherfucker's I'm talking about sandbox. Like yeah, and everybody listen, everybody,
it's fucked up. When it's fucked up, when you turn

(49:23):
into scarface opposed to Brad Jordan's. It's fucked up. It's
fucked up when you go from being chucked and motherfucker
loves some fucking chuck and then all of a sudden
the AI ship and that's family members, everybody. You know

(49:43):
what I mean, Like, don't you still love Bubba Chuck man?
You know what I mean. But when that fucking money
you get involved jack money, Yeah, money catalyst for a
lot of a lot of between everything, friends, family, friends,

(50:07):
that ship. Don't mix cold things for his people though,
you know what I'm saying. His partners, Yeah, but sent
them to school to go be in some business. Listen, listen,
he's a he's a bad motherfucker. He's a smart motherfucker.
But at the same time, your motherfuckers smart. Yes, I know,

(50:34):
I say, I know all of my know math, I know,
I know rich Man, I know Randy, all his homeboys,
his mama, Mama glow All. I'm smart all them and
and and and they, and they capitalized off of his greatness, man,
instead of trying to go be rappers. That that's why,

(50:56):
that's that's why I'm That's why I subscribe to the
theory of being able to do business with family and friends,
because if you really think about it, most of the
people that got money like loan money, has been having
generational wealth and even a lot of the people that's
getting new money. Uh that if you look, if you

(51:17):
look at all the groups, the White Flag, Asian whatever,
these people do business with their family members and they
do business with their friends. Well, it's just that it's
I think a lot of time for us, we're not
as discerning. We just automatically take yeah, because you know,
we're not as picky, you careful with our choices that

(51:39):
we make with them. Wh who were gonna who are
gonna put We just automatically that's my homie here, that's
my sister, that's my brother. No, you know what I'm saying. No,
they got, they got They have to have some damn
scruples about themselves. They got to be qualified able to
do it exactly. And they and they expected they back

(52:00):
you you, They expect you to do it for them
because they're them. Just give it to him, right, man.
If you earn, if you earn your if you earn it,
then then you got it. But I can't let you
run my business and you're driving dump trucks all your like,
Come on, happen. My motherucking man told me. I said, Man,

(52:21):
he gonna run the company. Man, he gonna do this.
You know what I mean? He qualified? Man, why he
got a job. He doing this over here? The funk
you mean he's qualified to do it? You're not. You
just want the position because we grew up together. Mm hmm. Yeah.

(52:42):
If you ever want to funk yourself up, put in you.
I grew up with this name in your business. If
you want to be sorry, you got criticized a lot
for looking after your family and friends, you know, and
still and still gonna do it for I'm gonna do
it forever. I'm gonna do it forever. When when when

(53:04):
you hear but when you hear stuff like that, when
you hear people saying like, man, man, you could have
been a lot further. You know, you could be doing this. Woman, Yeah,
you shouldn't be doing this or whatever. Whatever. You know,
how do you reconcile that worry about you? Motherfucker, worry
about you. I'm good, Yeah, me and my family straight,
we're good, and I'm and I and I can be better,

(53:26):
and I'm gonna be better. Don't worry about me, Jack,
don't worry about me. Man, Love me, man, hug me,
that me up. You know what I mean? All that
other ship, man, keep my personal business out your motherfucking
mine out your head. Get it out your head, man,
you know what I mean. We are right over here.

(53:47):
We are right over here. I'm over here doing the
podcast with Willie D and Scarface. I'm I'm over here
with Brad Jordan's I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm gonna get
on that plane. I'm gonna go home to that woman
and i'm kids and kiss them and love them and
eat real good and and and love on them and

(54:08):
go out later on the night. Man. Whatever, man, you
know what I mean. My my, my fans, I'm gonna
be with them. I'm gonna keep posting on Instagram so
they can see me being cool. I'm gonna do this
right here and whatever. Man, I'm gonna live my motherfucking life.
That's what I'm gonna do. And you worry about yours, man,
you worry my joy and and and into any hated motherfucker.

(54:31):
I love you, brother or sister. I love you. Hey, man,
how are you doing. He's like, all right, okay, because
I ain't worried about nothing but the fact that you
all right. That's all I care about. Hey, you all right?
God bless you, love you. That's it. I ain't got
time for no negative punk ass ship, no sucker ass,

(54:56):
nowhere near positive ass ship in life. Man, live laugh,
take love, man, Yeah, take energy, live laugh love man,
do that. Concentrate on that. Man. I always wondered, like, well,
like when you first got to Philadelphia, the city was yours.

(55:17):
Everybody was, man, Hey, I it's love. Initially you had
a Did you ever have a good report with Coach Brown? Initially? No?
Not not so not even day one. He was trying
to get you to change your style, you know, change
he was trying to get he was. No, hell no,

(55:40):
he didn't. Just didn't understand. He didn't understand. I'm hip
hop dude, I'm a I mean, I'm I'm We're from
two different parts of the world, you know what I mean.
So he did not try to get you to change
your image. No, clean up your image, because you you changed,
you changed the end be a. He didn't. He was,

(56:02):
he was. He was trying to get me. He was
trying to get me to become who I am now.
God damn, that's what he was doing. Basically, that's my
motherfucking man, that's my man. I love him to death. Wow,
so so well, when did the turning point come? Two

(56:25):
thousand and one? You're a bad motherfucker. Do you know
what you're doing? You're a bad dude? Two thousand and one.
I think I made the um two thousand because they
was gonna trade my ass, and because I couldn't. I
thought that he was um criticize, criticizing me, and I

(56:47):
couldn't except um constructive criticism. And then when I found
when I started to realize that he just loved me
and wanted what's best for me and the team, then
that's when I turned from Allen Iverson a good basketball
player to a Hall of fame. On the night of

(57:07):
the draft, did you think you were gonna go number one?
Did you? Did you do? But I ain't know? You know,
you know how it is with us A you're thinking
some bullshit gonna jump off? You know what I mean?
I knew, but I ain't know. And that had to
be uh crazy feeling man like and just one of
the best feels out there. We drafted number one in

(57:31):
the NBA. That's that had to be some damn feeling. Man.
And when it happened, when the announcement came down, man,
you know, you know it's crazy Thord Willie like and
then this ain't no cocky ship, man, I know. Can't
nobody funk with me? Like I knew that, like I

(57:55):
knew man, and and everybody in the d have knew it,
and everybody and all the fans knew it, and all
and and and and all the organizations they knew it.
Like who else was in that draft? Like just just
we had the greatest draft ever. What are some of
the names we would immediately record? Kobe was thirteen, so

(58:17):
we're gonna do We're gonna do it like that. He
was thirteen years no, yes, all right, So that lets
you know how crazy the draft was if Kobe got
to be If he thirteen, then you already know how
crazy the draft is. But Kobe was coming out of
high school though, what you mean, let's comeing out of

(58:37):
high school. They didn't, they didn't. They didn't really scout
him like that, did they he did? I don't know how.
I don't know how they didn't because if I was
the seventy sixers, I would have picked them. Oh ship, huh,
I would not have took Chuck Man just if I
was so. You were so he was well aware kobe
skill set. No, I ain't know then, shit, I ain't

(58:59):
know that. The Lakers didn't know how cold Kobe was, Willie,
because they let Edie Eddie Jones and Nick Van ex
So started that ship. They did, and Nick was the guard. Kobe,
uh Jones was the shooting guard. And man, when adn't
let Kobe get off that motherfucking bench, I took it.
It took it. It took a minute. I remember when

(59:22):
Kobe was shout at that air ball and ship and
uh no that was that was all right? No, no, no,
that that was all Star. He shot at the air
ball in the All Star Game, you know, like he
was really trying to challenge uh Mike and all that stuff,
and uh coach shout a ball. He was, but he
just had that apter like he was fearless. Man, I'm

(59:43):
shooting the ball anyway, I'm shot this same man, and man,
Kobe is the baddest motherfucker on two feet to me,
bro Over, I'm just saying his Mike and Kobe is
like the same otherfucking to me, Oh Man, black Jesus,

(01:00:07):
Black Jesus and the black Mamba, the black Mamba. You
goddamn right better even alone, say man, ship Man, and
on and on both ends stone, both ends. Yes, the
way you know he patted his style after exactly that's
why you got it in Like then, Mike, then if

(01:00:29):
you if you ask Kobe who was the best, he
would say, Mike, I'll give hi, Mike. I got Kobe
and Mike neck and neck. Even if I stole my
rap style from you, I'm gonna kill you with your
own style. Bro oh ship and Kobe killed Mike with

(01:00:49):
his own ship. You like so you do me and
I do you. You don't want to funk with me
what I left my neighborhood. I don't give a funk
when I left my neighborhood to make this big break,
I promised my road dog said, I dedicate a super
jam to the hood that is sharp as a sickle.

(01:01:10):
So here it is fifth Ward, better known as the
Nickel Willie, I'll fuck you up with your own ship.
That's Willie. Hey. Look, hey, look, Alice, Hey, this is
my life. This is my life. What I get, motherfucker,
look what I get? Come on, man, come on. So

(01:01:34):
so that was really ship. I was just reck really
with his own ship and and and and and and
got a bad bitch in every state. Yeah, but I
really can't say that like me, it ain't gonna work.
But Kobe did Mike to the point, I hold on,
I ain't supposed to use that because my old lady

(01:01:56):
gonna say that. I just said that off big dog status.
Take that shot, you know it just played it for
that nothing. Take that whatever that is. We will will
that right now, take it out. But I can just
I can tell her I was wrapping your song. Yeah,
but I was just wrapping really ship. But but Kobe

(01:02:16):
did Mike, in my opinion, better than Mike did Mike.
Not better then, but just as good as Mike did.
Mike Man Kobe, Mike and Kobe and then Lebron for me,
and then and then and then Steph and shot. You

(01:02:37):
know what is a bad motherfucker that don't get his props.
He don't get credit like he's supposed to. I'll give
I wanted the best. But yeah, but all the big
all the big men say that though, Yeah, but why
he ain't in that list? The big men? Though? What
you mean when people were like when people just talking

(01:02:58):
in general, they seldom mentioned you want to kill all
of the big centers and shack my black shack don't
want nothing, no parts of Elijah one. And that's my daughter.
It's Elijah one, and there's a larger one, and then
it's all the rest of the month along. It's uh,
who else? Right? The Admiral, he don't want none here

(01:03:20):
in the top five. He still don't want none. Patrick,
you want you don't want none. I ain't saying I'm
just naming a little longly damn show it on. Don't know,
you can't put him in that man? You know what
you can fest of all? You gotta mention the You
gotta mention Bill Bill Russell. Man, you can't. You don't
want none, but that Bill Russell is. That's like if

(01:03:48):
you want to say the best, then if you want
to say the best basketball player ever stat wise, we
gotta say, man, what was playing with a little short
white guys? It's a difference. No, we can't just go
on the stats. We we you got to look at
the competition level. Elijah one is the baddest center on too.
Had to play against the baddest centers and then you
can't forget about Big Mo. Mo was crazy. Was the

(01:04:12):
funny as dude to man. Love that love you Mo.
Rest in peace, my brother, sir, Yes, yes, sir, moment alone.
That's my dog. Yeah, great, goddamn guy for real Virginia Natives.
I'm right, hey, Alan, when you left uh Philadelphia, you know,

(01:04:34):
I mean, did you feel unappreciated? You know when they
when they traded you, all right, when you went to them,
they they didn't. They weren't trying to. I can't, I can't.

(01:04:56):
I don't want to say this. I don't want to say.
I don't. I don't want to say I don't want
to say what they were doing. But they weren't doing
what was right. So I was happy when Alan. When
Alan left Philadelphia, the focus shifted from Philadelphia to the Nuggets.
You know that the Nuggets was fucking feared. Nobody wanted
to see. We just couldn't get bad. So yeah, we

(01:05:19):
couldn't get past Mamba and and and um Tim Duncan
like we was bad. We couldn't. We couldn't do nothing
with them them dudes, who did y'all have at at
at Center? Marcus Camby, Huh fuck? We was bad, y'all
as bad as cant at the four mellow at three,

(01:05:43):
as bad as motherfucker. We just couldn't with the giants. Man,
We couldn't sunk with them, do them dudes? Is we
was well? Coach that I was just want to say,
but we was going against Pop and we was going
against Mamma and Shank like we lost those two years

(01:06:05):
and then that's when the bullshit happened. I went to mother.
I thought going to Detroit was gonna be the greatest
I was gonna be playing with being big being. I
mean no, no, what's being at had to be? Man. Look,

(01:06:26):
I love them dudes, and I'm still cool with with
with them dudes. Man, they didn't want to see Chauncey
League and I love chaunce That's my that's my homeboy.
Them dudes ain't want to see Chauncey gold Man. It
won't right. Like when I got the call that morning,
I thought it was the greatest situation ever for me

(01:06:50):
to win a championship, you know what I mean. But
obviously me and ripped with two guys so you gotta
play me at the point, and you gotta play you
gotta play Ripped at the two. But they wanted they
was invested in Stucky. Yeah, like that was that was

(01:07:14):
the old because we was getting our ass whip because
we had to start um Tay Shawn at the four
and Sheet at the five. Rip was at the three.
I was at the two, and Stucky was at the one.
And they didn't they was invested in and Stucky, you
know what I mean. And then Motherucker's telling me, I

(01:07:38):
would never tell you to come off the bench, and
this is that in the third and it was a lie.
We stepped away from the game in two thousand teen.
I'm telling you was team I'm tripping when you stepped
away from the game in that year, whatever year it

(01:08:02):
was in that year, when you stepped away from the game,
I'm sure like before you ever step away from the game,
you start getting closer to that time and then you're
thinking in your head, Okay, I gotta transition when it's
gonna come. Was there a lot of anxiety that like

(01:08:22):
like when I leave basketball, like damn, what am I
gonna do? I was ready, he was already ready, ready,
ready to go. Um. I knew she was sucked up.
When I went to Detroit and I couldn't have my number.
Like I got off the plane. You know, Stucky was like, man,
I'm I'm give you the number, you know what I mean?

(01:08:43):
And I got off the plane and um, the David
Stern he um, Kobe changed his number from eight four.
So when I um, and I guess he just funck

(01:09:05):
money up for the NBA, you know the number changed
his number and you know what I mean. And I couldn't.
I couldn't get I couldn't change my number. So I
had to wear one. And I knew, yeah, and I
knew it was fucked up, like even though I wore
it when I was little, Like every time I put
my jersey on, like she didn't feel right. You know

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what I mean, I'm number three, but what what was
there any significance to the number three? My high school
coach game? So and then hold on another George sound story. Um,
I remember, um, we had our first game at Georgetown
and I went in my locker and I had him
a fifteen and I was like, coach, you know my number,

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it's three, you know what I mean? He was like
motherfucker around here, we give you you know the number
we want to give you. You know what I mean.
I don't know what the funk you think you're doing,
you know what I mean? And I went, um, we
had shoot around, I went back to my dorm, came
back for the game. Number three was in the lock

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Listen man. Coach. Coach John Thompson seemed to have an
affection for the word motherfucker. Is that why you say
motherfucker so much? Man? He that's that? That's yeah, that's
my that's my name. Like he said that to me, like,
your name is motherfucker and prodigal prodigal sign? Yeah? Is

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that is that? It is that it prodigal sign, prodicle, Yeah,
motherfucker and prodigal song. That is that was my name?
That That is funny as here. Man. We'll get on
the phone. We'll get on the phone and and and
what's up, coach. I just want to just call you

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a motherfucker and tell you I love you. Boom like
them coach, my man, uh my man, do you have
a foundation? No talking about coolball? I mean basketball. I
don't know no coaching why because it's hard to tell

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a momus k coach. He's one of the greatest to
do it. Great players can I just, I just, I just.
Great players don't make good coaches. No man, A motherfucker
that um, I don't think a mother sucker like you.
Gotta be a bad motherfucker to be a coach. Coach,
football coach make way more money than you, you know

(01:11:49):
what I mean. And you gotta get them to listen
to you and and and believe in in in your
strategy and your you know everything. You gotta man to
be a coach in the NBA. You gotta be a
bad motherfucker. Man. But abud in high school, I would
go back to my high school and coach. They coach

(01:12:12):
high school. Man, I don't have I don't. I don't
have the patience. I don't have a patience. You ain't
doing what are you doing? You mean? I take care
of my kids and that's I and I'll hang with
my homeboys. I ain't even I ain't live my life.
I had that that that that right there is too

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much and it's an obligation and it's you gotta give
everything and I ain't and I know I can't. I
ain't depriving nobody or nothing. Man, I'm not doing that. Ship.
I don't think. I don't think great. Can you can
you name a great player, was a good coach? You can't,
you can't. I can't. Uh Jason Kids, Jason kid fantastic?

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Uh Jackson Bill Jackson fucking fantastic because he was no
fucking great player. He wasn't no great player. But he's
a great we're talking about. We just said you you
said great player. He wasn't no great, He was not
no great. Hold on, hold on, will James Kidd j

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D j As the kidd, don't sucking uh man, man,
let me talk bro Listen, what's the kid named uh
that play with get his medicine? No, no, he gave
the kid, he gave it. He gave the team to
cur They took the team from Jackson was a badass player, Willie.

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Mark Jackson was a bad player. But I don't think
Mark Jackson was a great player. He was a good player,
he wasn't great. Don't say that. I love that, man.
What about Rudy Tom sign of a huh, Rudy Tom
sign of a bitch? You know what, I think Rudy
was nice. I think talking great out It was not great.
He was not great. He was good. Okay, well Patrick,

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you perhaps Patrick Ewing and I'm done. Yeah, you got it,
you got that one. Not not a good coach though,
we done, we finished. I'm just saying, man, you know,
suggestive anyway, right, it's all suggestive anyway, right, man, Hey,

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look my Georgetown dude. Man shout out the Pat Many
Pat coach. Yeah he can, he can. Hell yeah, tell
us a story about Pat. And when y'all play, tell
you I got it, I got I got crazy stories

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all right, um, Pat, we're playing them, were playing the Knicks.
Motherfucker said who got me tonight? Chuck said, Scott Scott
win fifty. That's what he said to me? Who said that?
That said that when you're playing with the Knicks and
you playing with it, he said, who guard me? I said,

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Scott whim fifty and win and got it? Yeah? Hey,
did you have a you have a punch? Don't Pat
slammed on his last Who you slam down? That would
be like, damn, did you slam on Barkley? Mm hmm,
fuck you slam on nobody? Good? Huh, terrible, man, you

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are awful. I ain't gonna say I ain't gonna I
ain't gonna say. I ain't gonna say who I did.
Don't you they know, walk us through the day that
you crossed up who many people believe is the goat,
even yourself when you crossed up Michael Jordan's I can

(01:15:58):
tell you what happened? How was how was that? Like?
When that happened? And let me start let me started
off think about it. He started off. So here's a
high wind, like they was trying to see each other
for the first time. Man, why are you screaming? Bro
I'm excited about this moment because I was one of
the one of like, oh ship man, hey the answer?

(01:16:20):
What did they called them? Like? It was like Alan
was the answer. They was always looking for somebody to
tell Jordan and said they were like as an answer man, tonight,
Jordan getting ready, Jordan and Ivison going to go head up.
And when Alan touched the ball, everybody in the house
stand up like, oh ship and we waited and he
hit it at boop boop, and Jordan was over here.

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And then we make this part up that he was like, yeah,
they come here. He got back in front of win
boo boo boom. He was over here. And join was
over there and he damn the failed No, the motherfucker
almost blocked the ship. Still that's how nice he was. Yeah,
he's still almost blocked it. We see that, you kin.

(01:17:04):
You know you really kind of sucking up moves and ship. Man, Really,
I know you the last month in this world to
be talking about the way you be hogging. What's wrong
with hogging? Look, I'm gonna just say this right here
because I want to on this podcast. I sucked your

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crossover up. I know I did. Man, Look what that's
That's the last person I want to see. But still
I don't want to look at him. He looks from
two thirty three years. I do not want to look
at him. Understand, just understand where I'm coming from. That

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ship loyalty and love. That ship have no love and
no loyalty for me. Yeah, yeah, why are you here?
We're just here. We just heard see because I'm gonna
tell you something broke, Like this guy is incorrigible. I mean,

(01:18:11):
he's just a very difficult person to deal with, and
you know, like and it's always super bad when he
doesn't take his medicine. When he don't get his medication. Ship,
who knows. I don't know how. We don't know how
it's gonna turn out. Man, Bro, that's so fucking wrong. Bro. Yeah,

(01:18:33):
I just thought that I could be honest with And
I don't even take medicine. You don't take it anymore?
This ship? Bro? What other business ventures that you pursuing
that you can talk? Man, I'm a man. That ain't

(01:18:57):
what I do. That ain't what I that. That ain't
that ain't what I do. Um Um getting ready to
um do a couple of restaurants and franchise Scratch in Atlanta,
so food. I'm me. You know what's so fool all

(01:19:20):
that all that ship that we don't supposed to do,
all that ship that we don't supposed to love it?
I want to buy into that too. Yeah, I'm I'm
man and and I'm i'm um. We got new owners
at Rebook. You know what I mean? You still have
a contract with Hell are you talking about? You ain't

(01:19:42):
going nowhere? Yeah? You change that going away? You know
what you Let me tell you. I love money, man,
I love money. I love it, you know what I mean?
I love it? And and these motherfucker's are the most
loyal people to Dog because they realized and they understand

(01:20:05):
that I didn't make them because it was reboked before me.
But they got loyalty to me because they know what
I did for them. I said, you didn't make them,
but she pretty much saved him. I don't know, I
don't don't don't no, I don't know what what Lebron

(01:20:29):
Lebron came in and took over. Um. But before that,
when the when them kicks, it was me and Mike.
That was it. He was number one always and I
was number two. Now where I'm at now, I don't know,
but the road to ship is still with it. Hey,

(01:20:51):
how old are your boys? Twenty five eighteen eight team?
They ever played sports? They get it. Let's leave that
one out here. Let's leave out I talked about my girl,

(01:21:12):
and I talked about my mom, talk about my youngest son,
my eighteen year maybe hooping. I would no can playing football?
Go ahead, Hey, look the mics alive, so you know
what I say? Yeah, keep that ship too. It's like

(01:21:34):
when I said that, so up, I will dude off camera.
So what do your girls do? Model one of them
as a model, one of them a fashion designer, and
the little one of Hooper and they both roped and
they rob They robbed you blind up for sure. I

(01:21:57):
know about the live girl, but don't forget dum. I
want to I want to tell you about that off
camera because Dr Mix is live. We'll wait till love camera. Yeah.
How often do you go back to Virginia and and
your people all the time? Yeah? I love my family.
I can't stand being home was born and then, um,

(01:22:21):
it costs too much. Oh yeah, he's on something. Yeah, man,
I was looking at this brand new Lexus man ship
costs him one. When you go down, when you go
back to you make sure you got cash. No, hey, hey, Cay,
you hear what he's saying. What'd you tell me? Don't

(01:22:44):
go down there with no damn cash? Hell no, you
got a card? Yeah? I just got my card, man,
that's it. I just got my choice. I love it. Man. Well,
we really appreciate you coming of y'all do and and
and and then y'all let me get certain shoot off

(01:23:05):
my chest, you know, for my fans. Yeah, you know,
to know the dude is all right in a good space.
I love he went to Ghetto Boys with the he
Man and it's just good to see you doing good. Bro,
and it's and it's always, it's always one thousand percent

(01:23:26):
love when we see each other, even if we ain't
talked to you since he was in New York at
the damn uh yeah I know it was you. Yeah, yeah,
he know me. He was in my room. How long
ago was this? I was before? Is this what Maul
was there? Right? Guys had to be like what five six, seven,

(01:23:48):
seven years? Maybe seven years ago? This is when the
other half of him left? Yeah, like nik, that's face,
Like you know, I ain't you say that. I walked
by you and you said the mall yo, the motherfucker
all at me and then mall told me. I was like, man,
I didn't know that was him? Yeah, yes, wow, yes

(01:24:14):
yeah man. And I thank y'all man, No, I thank
you Bro, Thank y'all. Man, I thank y'all. This I
can't wait and I want I can't wait to see it.
I can't wait for my family to see it. You
know what I mean. I appreciate y'all. Man. Well, we
ain't got none but the ultimate love and respect for you,
really am and bro, and you did ship talking motherfucker

(01:24:42):
for me today? Did you do it today or because
I listened to it on the way of it. It
was a couple of days ago. Yeah yeah, and I
you know, miss I don't know, you know what I mean,
because because because I love all parties like I love
I love all parties. Yeah, you know what I mean.

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I love all parties. So man, we love you all
like you you're You're appreciate you a real superhero to us,
ladies and gentlemen. Hey, Alan Iverson, a real Black Chuck,
real black superhero. This episode was produced by A King

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