The Beat King Episode

Willie D chops it up with producer/rapper BeatKing about his journey, early and late successes, his creative process and much more. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Get get boys. It's back and reot it all in
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(00:22):
wants to be drives head by. And then the system
is so corrupted they threw the rock out of their
heads and then blame it on us. Don't get it
twisted on code and me and dance it for no
butterment biscuits. It's Willie d y'all reloaded with another episode
of information and instructions to help you navigate through this wild, crazy,

(00:44):
beautiful world. In the studio, Old Love justin Riley Boy,
hit it with my Facebook name. Hold Love b King
is in the building, y'ad man. It's good to see you, bro.
Same here man, It's good to see you man. It's
good to see your evolution. You appreciate that. Appreciate you

(01:07):
you brother have come along ways and that is a
good thing. You know. I'm talking affirmatively, you have come
along ways in your development as an artist. Show you
know you put the work in. You put a lot
of work in. Yeah, I used to be mad at
my path back in the day, but I appreciate it now,

(01:27):
you know what I'm saying. People who come out real
hard in the beginning, they fall real fast too, you know.
So yeah, mine, I had to at the climb the
whole time, you know what I'm saying. But we're up now.
Is there still any doubt? But from others, no, I
know you never had any doubts. They believe now, I
wouldn't say it was ever doubt. It was. I think, Um,

(01:53):
for my generation, it was always a weird error we
were in. You know what I'm saying. We were right
after you know, the Slim and Row and you know
what I'm saying. And you know, my generation is you
know Propane Kirk, o'bang, just Brittany Dobies. You know, I

(02:13):
generation was more of the Internet streaming Houston generation. And
with us, you know, we didn't have all the major
deals and everything that everybody had before us, you know,
but not saying that that made that generation. You know,
Houston to me always been underground city, you know what
I'm saying. But when you take that underground aspect away,

(02:34):
the DJ screws the you know, Michael wattson Run. See,
they still entities, but it wasn't like how the underground
scene was, you know, with the mixtapes. You know, we
had to come out through the Internet and streaming and
Twitter and you know stuff like that. You know. So
my generation, it was people didn't consider it traditional Houston music,

(02:57):
you know what I'm saying. So you know with me,
you know, I don't sip serve, I don't do drugs,
you know, so in a city where everything slow, I
was the only motherfucker with energy, you know what I'm saying.
My music was, you know what I'm saying. So a
lot of people, you know, they wouldn't consider what I
did Houston music, you know. But you look at how
everything sounds today from the city. Everything has energy down.

(03:20):
Everything's club you know, club based from Houston down. So
I could say I did that. I did that is
what it is. Yeah, you know what you know, to
your point, after Slim and and and Paul Wall and

(03:41):
everybody you know did that thing, you know, I mean,
your ass and Mike Jones and all of that. It
did seem like things kind of kind of like came
to a halt almost, and so it took a long time,
like you know, really like get that thing, get that
thing back. I know, Travis Scott came sometime later, but

(04:03):
you know, it was pretty much seemed like it really
wasn't any any real activity except for what you and
maybe our DJ Chose was doing. Yeah, she had a
little bit buzz going on. Krit co'bain was doing this thing.
But as far as consistently hearing stuff out there, uh,
you were the guy that I heard, you know. And

(04:24):
of course zero always putting out, but zero is another error,
but zero is all errors. But you know, shout out
the man. Yeah, but now for a show man, um consistency.
That's always been my thing. You know what I'm saying,
Um um no. Shout out to people like JQ No.

(04:45):
Nine seventy nine. You know he always helped me, you
know what I'm saying through the radio. You know what
I'm sating, helping me pick my singles and making sure
that they were radio friendly and club you know what
I'm saying, even to this day, you know what I'm saying,
So yeah, man, I'm check people all the time. You
can't compete with the rapper to make his own beats. Man, shit,

(05:07):
I'm not gonna fall off ever. Huh yeah, let's talk
about that, man. What's what what is the process like
to be a rapper and a producer. I've never known
that process. I've only known one side and the rapping side.
But what's that process like? And how do you mentally switch?
You know, Before I get into that, I'll tell you

(05:28):
the downside of it. The downside of its. People never
truly respect you as a rapper. When people bring that
Houston rapper conversation up, they always leave me out when
I've had most more success than most of them, plaques
all that, you know what I'm saying. But people are
never looking at me as a rapper because like probably

(05:50):
the club music and you know how play on songs
a lot. But when you are our producers, well, people
never put doctors ra in their category. Never really put
Kanye in that category. Even David Banner is another one,
Juicy Jay, my favorite rapper, they don't put him in
that category. You know, so you know, but for the
most part, to answer your question, you know, it's one

(06:14):
of those things where you hear music so much that
you know, it's kind of like a Prince and Michael
Jackson thing. Like Michael Jackson. People love Michael Jackson for
everything he did, and Michael Jackson my favorite too. But Prince.
You could put Prince in that studio by himself and
he's gonna come out with that hit by hisself. He

(06:37):
made the music, everything, sung it, and everything. You know.
So for the most part, I think artists like me
who make the beats the music too. You just you
hear it from his from the beginning to the end.
You know, you don't have to look for beat or
you know, sometimes I had a beat already and then
the idea come from that. Or sometimes I had an

(06:59):
idea already from being on a road or something, and
I'll make the beat for the idea I have. Either
way it go, it's gonna be a bad motherfucking about
thirty minutes to beat in the in the rap. Yeah,
not to beat in the rap. You can't do the
beat beat in the rap in thirty minutes. Well you
can it, But to me, they were creating parts easy.

(07:20):
It's the mixing, Like I'm mixing mask style my music too,
So that's that's what take a week. You did a batting.
You you're saying that you have the propencity to make
the beat and the rap and within thirty minutes. Yeah,
the beat is the easy part. I can make a
beat in five minutes. It'll be hard, Yeah, five minutes

(07:43):
and then wants to beat playing in the loop. The
idea come to you? The hook? You know, you lay
that hook down real quick. And you know a club song,
you don't need more than eight bars in your verse.
So you know, I don't write that bull shit, I'll
be saying. So you're going there in freestyle four bars
and then stop and think she do that three more times? Shit,

(08:05):
the song done. I got a theory why you don't
get your respect for being a rapper? Probably I know
where you're going with that. I know where you're going
with let me see if you know see if you
get the lyricism. You know it's intricate and people you
know it feels you should write it, and it takes
time a thought process because I can really fucking rap.

(08:28):
Two people don't understand, like that's what I'm cut from.
I'm cut from No Lloyd Banks and push the t
and Joe Button, you know, like the O two is
show three ish. That's why you know when switchoutse was
like right before they got their deal, every I was
talking about Mike Jones. I mean I was on Magno Magnificent,
you know what I'm saying. That's who I was bumping

(08:49):
a Switchouts, you know. But what's your theory? Well, I
you know, I appreciate I appreciate you, you know, giving
me credit for thinking but being a thinker. But it
ain't that deep. I think the reason why you don't
get your respect as a rapper is because your name
is big King. Well, yeah, you get people think of

(09:12):
you as a producer, so you're making beats. So maybe
you change your name to rap king. I don't want
to smoke with that, and you'll get your get you
get your credit as a rapper, you know, and then
and then you know, at the end of the day,
that's maybe that's maybe that's the name of one of
your new albums or sucking be King rap King. The

(09:33):
end of the day, man, I don't give a fuck
either with it, did I don't? Juicy J is my
idol and mentor. I always wanted to be just like him.
You know what ship going on? My curd. You don't
make beats, Yeah you do. He did, made it all
all that three six maia. Shit, him and DJ Paul
were making the beats today. Yeah yeah, no, Dj Paul

(09:54):
was doing all the ju ja they would make. They
were doing it together. Oh yeah. Juicy J's j A
a producer. You know. So a lot of those um
those big heads, all right, more respect more more more respectful. Man,
I ain't know. I already have respect from, but more respect.
You know. It's crazy, Like I say, I see what

(10:17):
they don't give him, so I can't expect for them
to give it to me. They just said a top
fifty rappers lists. Mafia was nowhere on that list when
the game sounds like them two days even Project Pat
Winton on that, you know what I'm saying. So I
was just like, you know, shit, I wasn't on the list, man,
I wrote, listen bro I wrote most of the GB music.

(10:41):
But you know it's hold on, hold on, This is
what I'm saying. Ghetto Boys is in most people's top five, ten, twenty,
whatever you want to call it. If I wrote most
of the music, you know, if I wrote most of
the songs the majority of the music. I gotta be somewhere.
I got you somewhere, some kind of list or something

(11:01):
in a fucked up ass way. You probably not don't
like this, just like how pimp see what's on there?
But Bun was on there, So we look at it like,
all right, pimp, see on there's Bun on there. If
you see Faith on there, you're like, all right, let's
get a boy. That's the whole conglomerate. That's how I
looked at it. They couldn't put groups on there. Let
me get you some goddamn glass. I need my goddamn credit, man,

(11:23):
I need because we started busting up publishing checks on guard.
You know what I'm saying, hey, man, that publish in check.
That that that public check. Brad Jordan, my publishers check
s W Dennis here c B Jordan. You did what
I'm saying? Yeah, I need mine, man. You know it

(11:46):
comes with it. Bro. We just gotta dying ship. That
should be lame. You know what I'm saying. Once we die,
they're like, oh, man, Willie Lee was a genius. He
motherfucking mind playing tricks on yeah, ball head, hold he man,
why are they doings like that. Man, it'd be like that. Man,
people don't want to give it to you when you
hear they gotta stand on that. When you're here, they

(12:06):
are when you're gone, they'd be like, oh many gone. Man,
Now I can say it because ain't that something? You
know what I'm saying. It'd be like that. No, I
went through that my whole career. It's used to it,
you know. It's like that wearing shirts also, like if
you wear the shirts of a deceased rapper, Like when
a rapper is alive, you would hard to ever, hardly

(12:28):
ever catch another rapper wearing his shirt hip hop, but
the moment he dies. Hip hop is masculine, you know.
It's almost the opposite of hip hop. The word gay.
I'm telling you, like, hip hop is so masculine. It's
like I could do a show and if it's some
other rappers in there, they'd be like, as soon as

(12:52):
I leave, man, nigga be came making them hold and
I funk with that nigga. Shit. They'll never tell me,
you know what I'm saying. So it's like in a
room where everybody want to be alpha and masculine. Shit,
they they're not gonna wear no shirt or somebody that's alive.
But if he die, I ain't I gonna wear it now,
ship because I fucked with that nigga shit just like

(13:12):
but is that is that masculine? Is that masculinity or
is that insecurity? It's insecurity? Insecurity. My big sister just
passed away, Gangster boot, you know what I'm saying. And
we shouts out to gainst the boost. Beautiful pie Lola,
that was my dog. You know what I'm saying. We
talk like every damn week. You know what I'm saying

(13:35):
together too, right, Yeah, and we always did you work
on a new album? Sorry to cut you off? Did
you work on a new album? I don't even know
if that's real. I'm just being one hunt. I'm seeing
all these blogs posts, um she got this what's called
Prometheus Promethea or when they when they have an album
after they passed some album coming out post postman. Yeah, however,

(13:57):
you say, I don't know nothing about that, You know
I'm saying. He's saying, Juicy Jay, Juicy Jay ain't working
on a gangster Boo album. I'm not working on game.
I got enough shit in my hard drive to drop
a whole album. You know what I'm saying, Because she
we recorded a lot of stuff that never came out,
you know what I'm saying, but got off topic. Um,

(14:17):
we talked a lot about respect and everything and how
people like how she would hear a lot of her
flow and a lot of the women to day and
a lot of and a lot of them that they
never gave credit, never gave credit. And when she passed away,
I watching all these rappers and say they loved her,
and I'm like, I just wish she could have saw

(14:38):
that because we would joke about that shit. You know
what I'm saying. Because Gangster Boo, she was an asshole.
Like if you knew her, she was very nice, sweet person,
but she was an asshole, you know what I'm saying.
So she would be roasting a lot of these bitches
and shit, a lot of motherfuckers and you know things
I never repeat, you know what I'm saying, But you

(14:58):
know she would, she would. I wish you could see
how much people fucked with her, you know what I'm saying,
Like straight up, because her DNA is and a lot
of the flow for the women, and I feel like
I'm in a way I'm a female rapper, man, Like,
let's just be one hundred the music I make. You
know what I'm saying, how women gravitate toward it and

(15:21):
all that. You know, it is what it is, female rapper, bro,
You know what I'm saying. I was just thinking about something.
You know, when I you know, when I content guys
get a hold of this thing to put it up
on social media, that's gonna be a motherfucking became gonna
be to make them clicking. Female rapper, man, it is

(15:47):
what it is. Man. You you look at like the
female rap scene from Texas, it's all club music. They
always listening to be king when they was fifteen, fourteen,
sixteen years old. And I ain't gonna say no name.

(16:08):
When you get the saying name, people take it the
wrong way and think you're trying to take credit for
somebody's success. And I never do that. We all work
real hard to get to where we're at. But it
is what it is. You know what I'm saying. And
I know what I influenced, you know so, and I'm
still here. You know, I ain't like one of niggas
that fell off, like man, y'all know, y'a always listening.

(16:29):
I got, I got the money, I got the love
to respect all that, you know, so I can look
at the game now and be like, man, that's it, dope,
that's got a boys, reloaded podcasts. We'll be right back
after the point. Keen Got the Clubs Too mixtape. You

(16:55):
put that out with two thousand and ten two two
thousand uh ten yo. Yeah, so that was pretty much
our introduction, introduction to you and as a as an artist.
The year before that, my first hit was with Candy
Red Independent bitches, get up on It, then work. I
made that beat and from there people was introduced to

(17:17):
my sound. Okay, yeah, all right, all right. And for
a long time, man, you were bubbling and then when
you dropped that then leave. Yeah, how did that feel? Man?
It felt like I m everybody was like, oh man,
this is dope, you finally owned, and I'm just like, man,

(17:40):
look to me, it was more like an about time feeling,
and to a lot of people who were just discovering,
I guess it was celebratory for them. To me, I'm like,
I've been getting this money, been having big houses, been

(18:01):
performing at these radio events all around the country, these
stadium I've been doing this. It's just people didn't put
the face with the music. I say, when the Cucumbers ship.
When I came up with that, that started helping my
likeness and people started knowing what I looked like. I
had the whole green hair and all. I was real
retarded with it back then. But when a song like

(18:23):
that comes out, it puts it all together, you know.
And for you know a lot of new fans. You know,
they came around in twenty twenty during the pandemic and
they was like, Man, this new guy b King, this
is dope. But I've been out here for ten years
before that, you know what I'm saying, And it's nothing
like a fan finding out that late to the party.
They're like, oh shit. They get on Apple Music, they

(18:45):
started looking up all the old shit and like, damn
where he made that? Where he made? Throw that ass?
Wait he made because a lot of these songs that
blew up, they just really remix of what I've done already.
You gotta take a song like then leave Me and
Queendom Come. We made that already, a song we have
called yean about their life. Oh same formula, slow ass,

(19:09):
simple ass beat, Girl on the hook, take a song
like what me and DJ Chose did with Thick the Thick.
We made that already. It's called throw that, the hold
up bitch stow that. You know. So when you're around
long enough, if you're gonna recycle your shit. And you know,
when I got popping popping, a lot of those new fans,

(19:31):
they went to discovering all the older music and they
put it back on TikTok today and a lot of
these older songs from my catalog they're turning up today
and I'm looking at the Spotify numbers and they're going up.
I'm just like, man, this shit's old as fuck. These
kids were probably seven years old when these songs first
came out. Now they twenty years old and it's new
to them. So it is what it is. When you

(19:54):
think it's fair to say, is it a fair assessment
to say that you're Mary Formula? Your main ingredient is
to keep it simple? Yeah, simplicity sales. Yeah. I learned that, um,
and that was that wasn't an easy transition either, because
where I come from, I called myself a young old nigga.

(20:18):
I'm thirty eight years old, you know, so I know
all about Ghetto Boys CATALOGU. I know about Willie Dee's catalog,
but I also know about Kake Carbon out of Memphis
right now, I know about the Youngest Motherfucker's right now,
and I know about the ogs. So it's like the
shit I'm cut from. I know what real music is,

(20:44):
you know what I'm saying. So when I'm making beats,
I want to pack it full of shit, let people
know that I'm just that nigga. And I had to
learn that people don't give a fuck. Make what's appeas
into the ear and where people can listen to and
feel good, and it hits the brain quickly, you know
what I'm saying. So I started making these simple ass beats. Hey,

(21:07):
I just start taking all the sounds out and just
putting drums in that mother's and that's then leave you
number of drums. You know what I'm saying, Just switch
the drums up for the verse. Doom doom doom, you
know yeah, you know. So with the beats I had,
that wasn't an easy transition. And I'm a lyrical person.

(21:28):
I can really rap if I want to, but I
had to learn that bitches don't want to learn triggerometry
in the club. Just make a simple beat that a
drunk bitch you like and put a hook on it,
that a drunk bitch you like, and you're gonna win
every summer. Huh man, let's go back to the early
summers when man, what does beat keen originate? Like? At?

(21:52):
What where did you grow up? I'm from study wood
student offside, right next to right next to exisome okay, uh,
Houston area side. It's Houston Area. Yeah, And I got
a pot in that named Swift. He's a lawyer. We
call him Swift. That was his hood named Swift. But

(22:13):
he's a lawyer now. And every time we talk about
fifth Ward and Studio Ward, I always called it. I
always say, no, no, good studio Wood man and motherfucker
let me jump, you asked? Fifth War? God damn ship
y'all motherfucker coming book of trying to jump niggas and
ship man, we're not going for that ship. We don't

(22:34):
come to. Uh what's the what's the high school with
big Ward? Start with with W. Not No, it's with
a W. I can't trying. I went to high school
in Fifth War. It was an altern of school. I
went there for like two years. What area on the
right off the freeway. Where's that fucking weekly? Oh? Weekly? Yeah,

(22:56):
we didn't come to weekly with smoking ship. You know
what I'm saying. But one time, one time, I'm gonna
change a quick story. We get back on track. But uh,
one time we ride in the car and uh, you
know he was little cheap dude, right, So he wanted
me to pay him for gas to go get my car.

(23:17):
I had to go pick up my car from the shot.
So he wanted me to give him some gas suck.
So I was like, man, you try to me for gas.
He's like yeah, Man, I say, okay, all right, So
I put you did something that's and asspit for war ship.
So I put twenty dollars on the corsole. So I

(23:40):
put twenty dollars on the console and at twenty dollars,
he left it down right. So when I got out
the car to go get in my car, take the
twenty back. I took the twenty back. Man, that's how
I don't I drive off right. So once I get
down the street, he called me. He say, man, fifth

(24:02):
water and shit, you just bro I'm the same way.
It don't matter how much how successful I may get
a money I may make. I'm still cheap, my nigga, Like,
I still go to the club. I hate paying a park.
That's my pet pee. I hate giving you. I hate
I feel like I'm paying to cut my car off. Man,
let's just hate my hand in a park, you know.

(24:23):
So I go to Valet, I give them what they
fifty dollars whatever, and go to the club. Come back
and I'm like, man, they didn't let me in, man,
dress code. Man, so I can get a refund back. Man,
I just hate paying the park. Yeah, but why do
you think they get away with that? Dude? Hey man,
everybody got to eat. I respect it, you respect it.
It's just I'm a hustler too, So I feel like

(24:45):
you trying to charge me to cut my car off.
You know what I don't like. I don't like man.
I don't like the fact that they do it two
black people, Like. I think that's a bias because I
go to white the staff wishments also and they don't
do that. They don't gouge like that. Like you go
to the white establishment in Houston, at least game on

(25:09):
you Like, Yeah, I get to the parking lot, I'll
be like, now I'm cool with the owner. Well, the
owner doesn't run the parking lots. It's two different entities,
so that the parking lot is owned by somebody how
how but it is what it is, and they're gonna
eat off of that. And if you if you're driving
them cars, them real cards, you're gonna you're going back.

(25:29):
I just let me finish my point I was gonna
make first, but I was saying that you know, uh,
you go to these uh you go to these uh
white establishments or any other establishment. You know, the most
you probably pay the park is primarily white established, but
it's probably twenty bucks. But when it comes to a

(25:52):
spot that's primarily black patrons, man, you're talking twenty to
park in the back, you know. And so everything is
depending on your car. The car that you're driving depends
on how high they go put up. So I just
bought my son a wagon, right, uh huh. So I
told my seed dropping a hundred if you're going to

(26:13):
the club, yeah, I told him, I say, But I say,
you know, I said, you got your valet, your money ready,
because uh, they gonna hit you up every time you
valet you finn to pay a hundred dollars at least
one hundred dollars and that's Houston price. Yeah, Atlanta, you're
getting hit. Yeah, man, I said, like All Stars happening
or something, some game or something something going on. In time,

(26:36):
I'll be feeling disrespected, though, bro I feel different. I
hate paying the part. You know, I have thousands of
dollars in my pocket when I try to talk them down.
But what I don't like. What I don't like, dog,
is that the fact that they that they bias. Like
I said, I go to the other establishments and they
don't do that, but they do it to us. And

(26:58):
I you know, you know, hey, man, back when I
was broke, I used to get them counterfeit money, you know,
so you feel like facts change ain't robbery. They're trying
to get you like everybody on YouTube. Yeah, and I
guess you know, I guess you can't can't blame them
right back at my club eight Mile Days, Yeah, I
guess you can't blame them. If if black people are

(27:19):
dumb enough to pay the price, then you know, hey,
it is what it is. Huh Man's At the end
of the day, niggas is gonna pay that shit because
they want their car in the front anyway so they
can get them bitches. You know, I think it's bigger
than that. I know that when like when I valet,
I valet because I want my car to be safe.

(27:41):
I valet for safe to you know what I'm saying.
I don't want to come out and some my window
and I gotta I got the inconvenience of pain, even
though it's not it's it's it's a little money just
to fix a window, but the hal it's the inconvenience.
And they know that and ain't gonna be nothing. Then
they ain't gonna steal nothing out of the car. I

(28:02):
never keep any valuables in my car, so that never
get anything out of it. But it's just inconvenienced. But
see that's just niggas and not niggas, it's just black people.
Because you'll go to a black restaurant and four wings
and a soda. It's eighty dollars plus at tax, and

(28:25):
you just fifty to park and tax gratuity and extra gratuity.
And you didn't pay the hundred to park. You didn't
drop two hundred dollars for three wings. It's like trying
to support black people. Just it is what it is.
You know, so that's a cold game right there. Man.
I wouldn't know anything about chicken wings though. I've just

(28:45):
lost thirty three pounds, so yeah, thirty three pounds, Yeah
on guard thirty three pounds man, So what what's your
what's your weight target? I ain't trying to be skinny, man,
I wouldn't even be attractive skinny. I ain't. I couldn't
even be skinny. I'm trying to lose by thirty more

(29:06):
pounds and I'll be good. Yeah, I'll be good, man.
I just I just want to be healthier. Man. Shit, Man,
I feel better. You know I can perform on stage.
You're better, confident, more confident. Um, you know, you start
knocking on that forty door, your body start doing weird shit,
your chief start falling out. Uh yeah, your cheeth not

(29:30):
gonna fall out for no reason? Well yeah, if you
ate candy your whole life, like you know what I'm saying,
Like you ate candy and drink soda and all that,
and you know you, um, you start getting these high
blood pressure headaches for no reason, and your heart start
doing a little jumping bullshit and you laying down. You
ain't even doing nothing. You just laying down and your

(29:52):
heart beating fast. You like, know, man, I ain't get
to this point and this success to die. What was
it for? You know what I'm saying. So it's like,
let me try to do something about it, you know. So, Um,
I hate going to the gym, so I bought everything
in the garage. So I live weights three times a
week and I try to walk for an hour every day,

(30:15):
you know what I'm saying. And I changed my eating
habits too, and that's how I did it. How were
you growing up? Like you grew up with your mom
and dad? Where was the family? Me and my mom? Um?
My little brother came when I was around nine, you know,
but I was the only child till like nine years old,

(30:36):
and we stayed in study Wood, small ass house, um
in the hood. Uh that's probably why I am scared
of roaches to this day. You know, I'm saying, don't
matter how I clean your house was, if your house
was on bricks, like you was gonna see roaches and rats.
There's no way around that shit. But yeah, but I

(31:02):
said I wouldn't know gangster though. Like, um, my mom
was a good person. She raised me the right way.
You know so all my partners that was gangster and shit,
our people going to their house and seeing how their
mama was, their daddy was. And that's why I ain't
like y'all ain't hating nothing because we're gonna beat somebody

(31:22):
up together, you know. But yeah, y'all, nigga savage, I'm
not say like, you know, you need to be in
the movies, right man, you got you got that persona
man like seas all that. I'm a hood nigga. I

(31:43):
ain't know gangster though, Like you know, it ain't that
wrong with being a gangster. You know, some people ain't
got they just gonna be a gangster. That's what they
have to be. I don't know. I think I think
a better message. It is something wrong with being a
gangster because to get a good gangster lifestyle, you know,
and I've been a gangster, you know, like the gangster
lifestyle doesn't have a great retirement plan. But you know

(32:07):
what you're speaking from, nigga that made it to the
retirement plan. See, when you're younger, the the bitches only
want the gangster is younger women. You know what I'm saying,
that nice guy is not getting no pussy at all.
But that gangster that's going to juvenile and shit, no,

(32:28):
he's fucking all the bitches in the apartments. What's about
being rebellious? I think, yeah, you think young people, the
youth wants just by nature rebellious. And that's no matter
what generation that is. Its transcends generations. You know. For sure.
Young people are just like rebellion. And that's why when

(32:48):
they get to be a certain age, they go trying
to clean up everything because that shit got they got
a time limit on it. Man. You can't do that
ship forever, man, and then you're gonna run to a nigga.
That's about that, just like you. You know what I'm saying.
What happened then because your reputation procedes you. Also, so

(33:09):
it's somebody why you being active. It's somebody watching you
being active, and they're thinking, like, yeah, sooner or later,
he's gonna try me. Soon or later, I'm gonna have
to deal with that guy. And they already not already
not a deal, they're already plotting on you, Yeah, because
they've been watching you be active. Yeah. Man, So you
did you get into any fights as a kid, Yeah,

(33:30):
I got um, I got into a lot of fights
as a kid. Um and what were these fights? Primarily
over these fights, Man, disrespect the number one thing for niggas.
Somebody somebody playing as you know people, you know, niggas

(33:51):
just gonna fuck with you. They're gonna try you. Maybe
we ain't got money like that. And everybody got Jordan's
but I got George ash Or you know everybody. You
know what I'm saying. Their mama taking them to the
mall to get their school clothes. And then I had
to go to Winners. You know what I'm saying, Shit

(34:12):
like that. You know what I'm saying, better than we
had to go. We had to Winners was lit. So
we we had Winners sometimes, but other times and for
those who you don't know, Winners was a department store.
But uh but you know that was other times. We
had to use vouchers. Man, we had these vouchers and
go to like Salvation Army, that kind of stuff. I
went through that that you'd be lucky you find some something,

(34:36):
some night shoes and Salvation Army, but they have brand
new things now. It's lit. Nah. It's just like how
how food samp City is today. Back in the day,
you cannot get no name brand shit. Yeah. Before we
had to get that shit at the bottom, we had
to get appleed apples and not apple jacks. You know
what I'm saying. But today you can ball out with

(34:57):
the motherfucker with food stamps. Today you could buy anything. Man.
I was. I was in the store a couple of
weeks ago, and I saw what it is the EBT
card where it was showing that you could buy like
lobster and oh ship, that kind of stuff. I'm like, yeah,
shit different, I remember. I don't know how it is now,
but I remember them food sound like that. The one

(35:20):
dollar food stamp was great, or the five dollar one
was brown and shit and it should have liked Monopoly money.
To me, I thought the ship was actually flying. I said,
we don't, we don't need real money. We could use
this ship, all right. But when she was like, we
can't get craft cheese, we have to get this this
trash ass ship, I was like, Okay, I don't like
this ship. Did you? Were you ever in the store

(35:42):
with with the food stamps and waited to somebody to lead,
waited to other people left my mom. She didn't care
like that, you know what I'm saying. You you never
went to the store food stamps. Well I would. I
would stand next to her when she did it. You
know what I'm saying, Um, Yeah, I ain't you got
off easy. My mama used to send us to the
store with the food stamps, and so we got the

(36:05):
food stamps and we're waiting like so we try to
spend the food stamps quickly before somebody comes in the
store who recognizes us. I think my mama tried. They
later on they wouldn't let kids do it. Yeah, I
think my mama tried. They had me do that Croakers
one time. Now, what was the sh Apple tree back then?

(36:26):
Now for any of you out there now, for any
of you out there who might be on some bs.
My mama worked, so we had web fast to subsidize
or income. My mama worked five days a week for
the for the Houston Independent School District as a cook.
My mom was a teacher. She worked for HUD. Yeah,

(36:48):
we were still bro That's what it would hit me.
I remember being like in middle school, like college Jane
all that, it's dope if it's a two income household.
But my mama got two kids, a master's degree and
as a teacher, and we still broke. Well, y'all broke.

(37:12):
We wouldn't we wasn't I say this because she she
worked her ass off. She would teach during the week,
she was a real estate agent. She played piano at church,
three different churches on Sundays to get through different checks

(37:33):
from through different churches. You know. So she brought a
lot of money in, but it just wasn't enough like that,
you know what I'm saying. She always Now I'm like,
I know she had a drug habit. She wasn't shrink,
she been doing nothing of that. But for the most
part she she always and with my child support money,

(37:59):
my my little brother, charl support money. It was just
always just enough for the bills and a car note
and a light bill. And you know, yeah, did any
of the utilities ever get turned off? No, did y'all
ever get evicted? No shit, y'all rich by y'all y'all

(38:20):
was good? You did you know? Mamma did good? How
many how many of you are? Was it? It was
too It was too like I never I never tried
to credit her like we was just fucked up. But
I think my mama understood the system. She was like
all right, Well, I can get these food stamps over here,
said that freeze up this money for this. If I

(38:42):
played piano piano at these churches, then that would be
the food money for the week. If I can sell
a house in there, then maybe he can get some
Jordans or something. You know what I'm saying, Like we
would be in the hood, but I had Nintendo Super,
Nincendo Genesis and all that. Man, what you headed here,

(39:03):
everybody came to you got it the good life meals,
y'all didn't get the phone turned off. That's why I
tell people that there are good people in that that
are in the hood, who are law abiding citizens, who
work every day and who are just genuinely good people.
I know a lot of any more people. There are

(39:25):
more of those type of people in the hood than
that are, not for sure, but you know how they
like to spend the narrative. Yeah, that that should always
been good for to me. Like my thing is, I'm
from the hood. We we were broke, but my mom
made sure that I didn't notice. You know what I'm saying,

(39:46):
like it, I know we'd be moving from here to here,
and you know what I'm saying, and certain things that
happen and all that, But for the most part, she
tried to make sure I had things that I wanted,
you know what I'm saying. So I gotta say, Um,
you know, I hadn't been through hard times, but I

(40:08):
know it's people who've had a way it worse. Way
it worse. People who didn't have parents who had it
all together, you know what I'm saying. So they had
to go outside and do shit, you know what I'm saying. So,
like I say, it's um, I always come in my
mama for that I'm saying, because that's probably ain't no,
Probably that's why I got all my musical talent from

(40:29):
I'm saying. She would play the piano. Now I was
just watching, just watch. It was always a piano in
the house, an old piano from her grandma, you know.
So she would play the piano at the church. I'll
play the drums, you know what I'm saying. Okay, all right, yeah,
that followed me all the way to the band. That
Book of T I'm playing the drums in the band

(40:51):
and yo Book of T. Yeah, we smash y'all on
that Battle of the Band. Never say nobody could fuck
with us nobody but the Yates. Yates and Yates couldn't
even see us. You know what. You know you came
at way after me. But that's the only reason why.
But but go look up the history of farrest Brook.

(41:13):
That band y'all went on. But I get to see.
I'm gonna say what made far As Forest brooklet. Y'all
were very loud. So y'all weren't the best players, hell no, man,
but y'all were so loud that y'all soul that ship.
So if motherfucker's come out on the field, you just

(41:35):
like how I feel that shit. Y'all loud and the
motherfucker y'all can't see me though I can't see me.
But you know, y'all, y'all loud. Far As Brook was
loud and and and we had man fars Brook was
nice though they came girls. I'm talking about the baddest

(41:56):
girls man Farest Brook. We had so many fine girls.
Like the girls who were petitue we had wasn't but
like nines and dimes on the Chili the team, if
they had a woman body, they were jaguars, you know, y'all.
And red the little schools y'all called them majors, but

(42:17):
you know, it was on a different level. So we
called it. We was a Jaguars, So we called our
girls the jaguar Ets. You know what's crazy. I went
to so many high schools because I like, when I
turned sixteen, I knew I wanted to be who I
ended up being, and I dropped out so many times.
I just didn't want to go to school nomore. I
just wanted to make beats and wrap and just do that,

(42:39):
and I dropped out somebody side. I would never do
my work. I would when I got there, I did
my work. I just didn't want to go. I started
making beats when I was sixteen. I would be up
to like six seven in the morning. My mom would
go to work before I had to leave. So I'm
not gonna stay up to six am and didn't get
dressed and go to school. I'm just gonna not go,

(43:00):
you know what I'm saying, Like the fuck? You know?
So I would my mom because she worked at HID,
she could if I'm feeling at this school, take me
out of there, put me in another one, you know
what I'm saying. So I went to so many different
high schools, and then when I moved to Titwell. That's
when I went to Jersey Village and that was side
Fair District, and I was just like, whoa, the bitches

(43:24):
over here way better. So it hit me that you
had bitches that was hood bad, and then you had
these bitches that had money. These bitches looked a little
badder than the hood bitches. And I don't get it
sucked up. I love my hood bitches, but this bitch
look a little better getting out this bins man, you

(43:44):
know what I'm saying. I was like, it's a different
level of hood, different level of bad bitch over here,
you know what I'm saying. But maybe I'm just used
to I always felt like the hood schools made me
like ugly bitches, the hood schools because in the hood,

(44:07):
most of these bitches was ugly, but they had fat asses,
so you'd be like, damn that bitch bad to their
motherfucker when she she really just had a nice as
body and shit. And in hood schools, a sprinkle of
them are pretty, and they either fucking with the bass,
the basketball or the football. Niggas or some nigga in
college or some other ship, or some old ass nigga

(44:30):
they have no business fucking with you know what I'm saying.
But nine times out of tea in the hood, man,
they just from the high school I went to and
ship the Book of T. It wasn't pretty like that. See,
some of them was so you called Book of T
at the end of their glory. Now Book of T
has some bad ones. I don't get it. Sucked up
every in the hood you got pretty bitches, but most

(44:54):
of them just pretty girls, pretty girls, pretty women, pretty girls,
pretty women. This is be keen, y'all. The show is
y'all know I'm no, but in my older age, I
do give a fuck now, and I want to talk
to the black women. I don't want you to think
that just because you in the hood, or you're living situation,

(45:17):
or you may not have as much as the other people,
that that affects your beauty or you look any less
than the other ones. All I'm saying is just what
I observed as a seventeen year old. I peep that
in the hood you have females with gold teeth. You

(45:38):
have females that was tatted the fun up, fuck up
all that hood ass bitches, and that looked good to
me too. But when I went over here to Side
Falls in Jersey Village. They wasn't tattered up. They had
gold teeth. These bitches talked like white girls and they
was just as thick as the hood bitches. And I
was just just dip. So let me rephrase that they're

(46:02):
not batter. Your voice reloaded. Podcasts will be right back
after the point. Let's let's talk about uh. Let's talk
about one of your favorite words, bitch m Now, how

(46:26):
do you reconcile loving using that word so much? I
mean that word is one of your favorite words. I
mean it has a dear place in your heart, a
special place in your heart. How do you reconcile using
that word and raising two daughters? What? What if? What
what if? What if? What if? What do you go
to question? They ask? What if? What if somebody put

(46:50):
a queue coming your daughter? If your daughters your daughters
are what nine ten, eleven, eleven, sooner to be eleven
and twelve eleven twelve, your daughters having in twelve? What
if your daughter came home and said, chance called me
a bat? Where you do it? Don't have to be

(47:12):
a situation where are you hanging around this nigga? Let's
just be one hunt because like, if a nigga just
called you a bitch for no reason, why you just
eating in the cafeteria, I'm gonna have to come to
the school. But if you are all in this nigga

(47:33):
face and you know, all on this nigga dick and
shit and he don't value women, and you notice and
he called you a bitch, you're talking abody living in
twelve man. That's when it saw it going down in
middle school. Shit shit at middle school. I went to

(47:53):
black middle school on the North Side. I mean, it
was bitches pregnant in that bitch thirteen twel But anyway, um,
it would have to be I'd have to know what's
going on behind it, because if you all on this
nigga face, you you gotta respect yourself. If this nigga

(48:17):
calling all the girls around him bitches and you want
to still hang around this nigga, you're gonna be a
bit soon. Okay. So see Heaven b King is a daddy,
You're gonna look at the world a whole lot different.
You know what I'm saying, Like I put my daughters
on I talked to him like street niggas from a
very young age. So nothing. They're not impressed by no nigga,

(48:40):
none of that shit. You know what I'm saying, Like,
if your dad is being club guard, you're gonna know
what the fuck going on at a very young age.
All these songs I made, they were there. They was
hearing this ship they were they were there holding one,
were making the beat the little one. Uh yeah, yeah,

(49:05):
I'm sitting there saying this. You know. So when they
get a little older day day, you know, question is
gonna be asked. And I always explained to them. But
I tell you what though, you know, uh, I'll be
a suicide man. And just watching you, like watching watching
you interact with your daughter, both of them, watching you

(49:29):
just interact with them, let me know that you were,
at the very minimum a good dad. You know that
right there. I'm always impressed by good fathers, you know,
Like I'm always suppressed by by guys who spend time
with their children, like quality time with their children. And
you can tell the ones who really are into their children,
like like crazy, I could tell. I could tell that.

(49:51):
I feel like the best dads are the people who
didn't have one. Oftentimes they are like, yeah, you want
to be that guy. I'm just like I. I couldn't
imagine not being in their lives, you know what I'm saying.
Like my dad, we got cool before he passed away,
like in um oh three, but he wasn't there at all.

(50:11):
I say, probably my whole life. I probably seeing this
guy probably maybe two or three weeks out of my
whole life if you add up all the different time
we saw each other, you know what I'm saying. So
I wasn't feeling that nigga like that. I ain't gonna lie,
you know. But when um, when I turned eighteen, he

(50:31):
just he tried to come in my life more and
talk to me, and I couldn't do num but of of
respect that, you know, I ain't gonna be no whole
ass nigga, no nigga fuck you know. You know it
was you know, I let him try to, you know,
and we got cool before he passed away, you know
what I'm saying. But I couldn't. I couldn't put my
daughters through that and this fucked up ass world we

(50:55):
in now. Man, you need some male figure to let
you know what the fuck is going on. Like it's
it's it's it's rough out here. It was rough back
in the day. But today man, with them phones. Man,
you take an ell man. Back in the day, man,
you can just switch schools. But today man, it's on
the internet. Man, so you can't run from no l today.

(51:17):
So you gotta teach them values and things. You know
what I'm saying, Just like, don't embarrass yourself. You know
what I'm saying, Like, just you know, because if you
embarrass yourself, I'm gonna make a song about you, like
I don't even know you, and it's gonna be on
the radio. Your kids and your friend's gonna be tiktoking
to that shit. All that shit. Okay, hypothetically speaking, hypothetically speaking,

(51:44):
Your daughter comes home, she's I don't know, sixteen years old,
and she has a guy right behind her. She says, Dad,
this is my boyfriend. And you look the guy up
and down. You know, he smelled like weed. He tagged

(52:06):
it up and his pants are hanging off his ass,
and he tell you, what's up? Nigga? How you how
do you respond to that? This is nothing. I wouldn't
even judge it from his pants hanging out or weed.
I wouldn't even judge him from that. But what's up? Nigga?
And get the bitch o what get the fuck out
of Nigga? What the But then I can't do that

(52:30):
with women because they will rebel. They will go see it,
see this nigga and fuck him next week behind your back.
So it's like you have to instill it in your daughters,
like I am not. I can't sit here and say
that my daughters are exempt from any of this. It
can happen to any of us. You can be the

(52:52):
best dad and he can still happen to you. All
I know is that I did everything I could instill.
Like you hear my songs, so you know in a
way whatnot to be, like, don't be like my lyrics.
You know I'm saying in a fucked up ass way.

(53:13):
You know what I'm saying. Whatever I'm wrapping about, I
don't do that shit, you know what I'm saying. Like
it just it is what it is, you know. But
I um, I never judge a young man for being young.
You know what I'm saying. Nigga's gonna smoke, They're gonna
you know, they're gonna sack, They're gonna do all that. Hell,
you're sixteen, man. It is what it is. What it is.

(53:37):
But um, certain people you you you know when they
in the streets. Though, you can look at some of
them little niggas and be like, let me see this
nigga Instagram and here holding pistols. Never picture now, Nah,
that's not no nigga you've been with. You have a
humorous side of you, but you also have a serious
side of you. Most people know the humorous out of

(54:00):
you when you make from making the beats and stuff
and just being this jolly guy, right, just you know,
happy gold like a guy. Uh, how do you respond
when people take you for a joke. Let's say, let's
say it's a situation you know where you know, I
don't know you just it's you know, it's a serious

(54:23):
situation that somebody think thinking that because of what they've
heard you in the music, they thinking that, you know,
on the personal side, that's who you are, who you
know what I don't. I'm not saying it can't happen,
but I don't have problems like that. I think for
two reasons. Um. Number one, when you see me in person,

(54:46):
you see I'm sixty three, you were like, oh man,
I thought I can whoop that little jolly ass nigga. Man, shit, man,
I gotta shoot him down man, like the little jolly nigga.
I thought like that, you know what I'm saying, So
people they don't don't play with me like that, not
saying I can't get played with it. But I don't
have those problems. And another reason, another thing. I don't

(55:08):
carry myself like that. I don't with a jury. I
don't flash money like that. I don't, you know, so
a lot of people when they meet me, they see
I'm a real ass person. I don't. I don't feel
like I'm too big to talk to anybody. I have
a conversation with anybody. I don't um. And most time

(55:30):
I had the problems with people, it was they just
wanted me to fuck with them. They just man, b
king bro weak. I just want you to fuck with me.
Just listen to my music, bro, just that's all I wanted.
Bro ain't handle It's like, you know, like it's I
don't have issues with nobody, you know what I'm saying.
And this I think because I care. I know how

(55:51):
to talk to people, you know what I'm saying, how
to carry myself, you know, And what is the best
way for somebody to approach you. Who's trying to get
you to listen to their music or listen to their sound,
their wraps. What's the best way for them to get
at you. How about this to anybody approaching any artists,
just step outside of your own shoes for a little

(56:12):
while and just put yourself in that position. If somebody
is taking the ship, they don't want to have a
conversation with nobody. That just happened to me two weeks ago.
I was in a restaurant taking the ship. Dude came
in there, bking B Can I know that I know
that you up in there? Huh, I saw you walk
up in there. Bro. You know what I'm saying, Man,

(56:35):
I just want to let you know now I really
fuck with what you do for the city, dog, and
I want you to fuck with my music. I'm not
saying nothing. I'm just like I'm taking the ship. You know,
when somebody walk in the bathroom, you you clutch your
ass cheeks tight. You stop, you stop taking that ship
because you don't want to hear that bed. So I'm
already sitting there trying not to let this shit out.

(56:57):
This nigga talking to me, I'm just like this nigga
is still When the nigga started to wrap, that's I said.
I said, I say, say, my nigga, I say, I say,
I'm trying to take a ship my nigga. All right, man,
all right, all right, And then he just walked out,

(57:19):
and I'm just like, but I remember when I was
a new artist and it was like two thousand nine
or ten, I probably would have said something made n't
want to do something when I kind of got out
the stall or something. You know. So I'm growing too
saying like but it come with it. It comes with it. Man.

(57:40):
You can't go to Walmart, man, you can't do normal shit.
If you go to Walmart, you gotta take pictures with
damn there everybody in that hole. You gotta you know shit.
And you start going to Target because it's not as
ranche I go to Target, Man, start start going to
some whole food, um, grocery stores. It's the one all

(58:03):
they you said, whatever, But yeah, man, you know, but people,
I'm a real approach, approachable person. Man, I'm not an
ass So how I sit there and have a conversation.
I ain't with that touching ship though, No, because that
that that almost escalated Um, I say, around January, I'm
up in Walgreens and um, a guy walked up on him.

(58:25):
He was a fan, but he walked up to me,
touching me. He put his arm around me. What's up?
Bee king niggat, fuck with you the fuck off of me?
He's nigga, what the fuck you want to do? I say, Nigga,
I don't know you. Nigga. You put your arm around me.
He was like, shit, man, I fuck with your ship though. Man,
I say, nigga, say that, then you can't just be

(58:49):
touching people like that so she can escalate quick. You
know what I'm saying. If you don't know how to
talk to people and de escalate the situations, how to
talk to people, you know what I'm saying, because miscommunication,
it can go left quick. Man. A lot of these
people that don't like you, they were when they were

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getting dressed to go to the club, they was your fan,
putting on these shirts and shit, they was your fan.
They loved you until they walked up to you and
said the wrong thing and not. He instantly want to
kill you because you killed the whole perception to you,
you know what I'm saying. So it's like I try
to stop that shit. You know what I'm saying, Like,

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I try to stop for it. Get there. You know
what I'm saying. It's been times I've been the clubs
and you know what I'm saying. Niggas they mugging you
and shit. And you know what I'm saying, You get
through doing your show because you in the city, they
can get to you. You know what I'm saying, They
get right past them security niggas and all that. What'
so b king And I want you to fuck with

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my ship and I say, man, look, I'm gonna be
one hunter with you. We're in a club. It ain't
nothing I could do anything. You say that wasn't listening
to their music. They're ready to go left now because
you you fucked up the plan they had. They were

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gonna rap to you and you were gonna fuck with
and he was gonna be like hustling flow and the ship.
You know what I'm saying. But I had to get
close to the nigga. I got real close to him,
so you know I wasn't those like no bitch of
ass nigga. I said, Hey, I'm gonna be one honey
with you. My nigga, you don't need to be rapping

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your ship to these rappers anyway, me saying this ain't
the right time. This to me saying it's not the
right time, because it ain't. You need to stop saying
your ship to these rappers anyway, because you're saying your
ship to these rappers and in six months you hear
your ship on their ship. Stop rapping to these rappers
in the club. He goes steal your ship. However, he

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was like, he was like, no, I respected, I respected,
I appreciate you. You know what I'm saying, fucking with me?
And shit, I fuck with your ship, Charlotte. For a guy,
for a guy who meets his idol in the club,
who is does what that idol does, if he raps,
if he makes beats. Let's just say he raps, and
he has an opportunity to approach you. And what is

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the alternative if he can't walk up to you. Because
a lot of rappers have heard rappers got on by
walking up to jay Z or this person and spitting
their bars, what is the best way for them? If
they can't get you, get at you right there on
the spot, what's the best way for them? To get
at you or anybody. When rappers come up to me,

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i'd tell them, real nigga, shit, it's nothing I can
do for you right now now. If you want to
picture something that's cool, but you spitting to me and
all that. This ain't the nineties, bro, ain't no guy
in the back of the bar and gonna sign you
had a lack of records, and like this ain't now.

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If they want to make if they if they want
to get some production that's different. Now. My thing is,
if y'all want to get a feature or be to
something that's different, take my number down. Let's get it popping.
But all that walking up thinking of that I'm going
to change your life tonight like that, It's not possible,
you know what I'm saying. Even if I like what
you're gonna spit, what can I do right now? You

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know what I'm saying, Like I'll be like, man, look,
don't give your song to me. Give it to a
DJ that can do something with it. That DJ right
up there in that booth. Take your song to him,
you know what I'm saying. Take that song. Get all
your little nieces and cousins and everything, make all of

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them do tiktoks to this song. A lot of niggas
they don't want to do the work of this one instant,
you know what I'm saying. And anything that you tell
them outside the instant, they take it as Hayden. The
flip side of that is the women. What's the most
memorable escalation that you had with a woman in the

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club or just anywhere out in public? The escalation and
you're like, damn that that changed quick. That The first thing,
the first thing came in my brain was, Um, two
thousand and twelve, my manager is my baby mama. You
know what I'm saying, shot Tatasha. You know what I'm saying, Um,
she's very club guards sensitive. Because we have children together,

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we protect them and we protect the money. I trust
and because she would not fuck over me because we
got kids. We're gonna get this money forever. You know
what I'm saying. We gotta understand it. We're not together,
you know what I'm saying, But we have a respect
for each other, you know what I'm saying. And in
two thou twelve we were together though, and I was

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in Onyx just when Onyx was still in Dallas, and
it was it was either Super Bowl or All Star something,
but Honyx was packed, and I guess this little bit
wasn't making no money in there, and she was mad.
So she was just walking through the crowd of people,

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just pushing everybody and pushing them. And I had this
coca cola because I don't drink. I had this Coca
cola in my hand. She shoved into me, and the
ship just spelled all over my damn outfit. I said,
may need to watch where the fuck you going, nigga.
Shut the fuck up. I gotta watch where the fuck
I'm going, nigga. This is my club, nigga. Fuck. She

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put her hand in my face. Before I could even retaliate,
Tasha just threw her drink in the bitch space boof
and jump jumped on her and beat her ass. And
I was just like, that was one of the situations
I was glad she was there because it was like,

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I'm glad she was there to do something because I couldn't.
I'm a man. All I could do is yell out
there and make me look lame. I'm giving this bitch
attention and shit. But she beat the bitch ass. So
that was a time in the club where escalated with
a woman shoutside Tasha. I do not condone violence, but
I do condone self defense, let retaliation. Let me get

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Atasha her flowers though, because I don't, I don't do interviews.
You you really do you hit me? So I did this? Yeah,
my manager Tasha, she won't get a lot of respect
as she should. We came from the bottom with this shit,
you know what I'm saying. Nobody gave us a template.

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Nobody sounded like me in oh nine, and we made
it all the way to the top. I've watched her
beat up promoters, DJ's strippers and anybody that's played with
this ship that we built. You know what I'm saying.
She's a psycho bitch, you know I'm saying. But she's

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one of the only women that I trust, you know
what I'm saying. And a lot of artists don't get that, managers,
you know what I'm saying, love and respect, man, They
just people think it's just the artists and all that
contracts have to be read. Tasha's Lokia fucking lawyer. When
I was finding sign to Columbia, you know what I'm saying,
I had my lawyer looking over the contract and I

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had Tasha looking over the contract. Tasha finished, She finished
the contract before the lawyer, and the lawyer was like, Tasha,
you really should practice law because you comb through that
before and understood everything and brought points and things to
me before I could finish it. You know what I'm saying,

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So shot to Tasha, man like she's the best manager.
You know what I'm saying. She was a rapper. She
quit rapping the manage me. You know what I'm saying,
So shot to Tasha. Shout out to Tasha and shout
out to be king for John and to get old
boys reloaded podcasts. Yes, sir, Yes sir, it's been a thriller.
Brother's been a thrill. Ain't number leve on my n man.

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You know what I'm saying, Big og, triple og, salute
to you to get all boys all that. You know
what I'm saying. You know what, Scott Bet you probably
remember this my first time ever meeting you. I think
it's before you had went to jail a little bit
before that. We was in co Jack Studio. Coajack. Yeah, Coajack.

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You had on like this white dress shirt or something.
I think we we we were we at his studio
or was he at my or where were at my studio?
You know, Jake used to work out of my studio.
Maybe we was at yours. I know he had this
purple MPC four thousand and he was saying he had
these drums from koc Shott to Koca by the prom

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and I remember you. You were sitting on a couch
and that's the first time I ever saw you and
met you. I know you. I don't remember that, but
I don't know who studio it was, but yeah it was.
I can't remember exactly what. I know it was Cojack there,
Okaya mog Potner say on them beats going down memory,

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laying on our way out of the door, No more talk.
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