June 24, 2025 • 32 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But you know what I'm thinking, like, because your dad
told me right now, he's like, whatever she thinks on
a bike, whatever comes to mind on a bike, because
she's going to be alone with her thoughts. That's the
book or that's where the inspiration will come.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Okay, wow, Welcome to ghost Therapy, where it's not just
about connecting with deceased loved ones, it's about learning through
them and their new perspective.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Hi, guys, welcome to ghost Therapy. I'm paul Lah and
thank you for coming back for one more episode. This
time around, we talked to anache La Victorino and she
well she's a writer and well she does many things.
It's we all do in life. But she wanted to
talk to to her dad. And I think that many
(00:50):
of the messages received today could apply to everybody that's listening.
For me, the bike one, the analogy of the bike
in the book. All right, guys, like pay attention because
this is a good one. Okay, thank you for joining us.
Hope you enjoy the show. Hey, guys, welcome to ghost Therapy.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
We're so happy to have annashe let Victoria with us.
Thank you Anna for coming.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Hi, Paula of course, I'm really excited, and I have
to say a little bit nervous about what this experience
is going to be. Like, I know that's normal, so
it's a little bit normal.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Is it your first time?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It's my first time?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Alrighty. I like first timers. I like it. I like
it because they're like they're just ready to be.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Astounded. No, I'm kidding, but thank you so much for
being here. Who are we going to talk to today?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
We're going to talk to me, puppy, my dad?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Okay, hey, what's his name?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
His name is Jose.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
All right, well I'm going to say a little pair
in silence and I'll.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Be right back.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Okay, this may be very random. Showing me lots of paper?
Do you know what? Lots of paper?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Lots of paper? I'm not sure. I mean, he the
only thing I think of is he was you know,
he was a teacher. But I think of I think
of him showing and I have, you know, images of
him shuffling gading a lot of papers.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
That could be it. Okay, Okay, that could be one. Okay,
thank you for that. Okay, it was so random to
say saying paper, So I said, maybe it doesn't mean
something special or you never know. Okay, let me continue.
He's talking about you. He wants to go into your life.
Your life. I don't know what your profession is, just
(02:58):
so you know that they they don't tell me who
you are until they so, just so I won't look
you up for He as organic and normal as yeah,
so are you. He's like, you just have to remember
that it's not going to be about this. Ever, it's
going to be about I don't know. I feel like
(03:21):
fulfilling heart fulfilling dreams, fulfilling soul. But he's like, it's
never going to be about this. And you know that
he said, not that you can't have money, you can
have it from something else, but from your passion or
what you love. I guess he's I guess he's proud
(03:43):
of you because you're doing it for other reasons. That's
not the way. Does this makes sense?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, oh that's awesome, Okay, because he says it's very
hard to mix and match, like to mix things to
do like what you love with what you have to do,
or something like something about mixing.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
And yeah, but it's interesting because I feel like in
the past he would have been someone that would have
thought more about, you know, thinking about money. But but
I think there's things, you know, there's things that I
didn't fully know about my dad too, you know, like
(04:26):
because I know I don't I don't know that much
about the spirit world, but I know that sometimes, you know,
our ancestors, when they're in the spirit world, they can
also be in the process of healing, even in act,
in the act and the after life. And I've actually
had dreams with him where he actually seemed like the
version of him had he been able to heal his
traumas while he was here here on earth. I had
(04:49):
a dream where I just saw him in his like
this whole expression, like, you know, I loved him my
whole life. I look forgiven him for the things whatever,
you know, those almost squirrel him. But yeah, yeah, sure,
but there is enough, you know, I loved him so much,
and it was interesting to see him in this dream
(05:09):
without all the stuff that was getting in the way
of him being his most like beautiful expression of self.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, his best self for exactly. Well. Also, yeah, when
they get up there, they become perfect. They become like
these perfect versions of themselves, you know, so they don't
care about they don't care about what actually God takes
away or whatever you're believing. He takes away the negative
part of everything. So you can't be greedy, you can't
(05:39):
be mean, you can't miss anybody. It's just like very like,
let's be happy. That's all there is, you know. So
I'm thinking that, you know, like you said, maybe in
life he was about the money, but he's not anymore.
Like he's you know, I think that's why he's reaching
(06:00):
out to you in that way, maybe by saying, you know,
I was wrong, you know, or maybe I was going
the wrong way. But uh he laughs. I think I
think you hit like a sore spot with him because
he's laughing. He's like, yeah, that was me, but not anymore,
which is good. But I think he wants to make
(06:24):
it clear also like mmm, like don't fall into the
same trap as I did. He's also he wants to
talk about his I guess his demeanor was he like
very serious, like very strict. Does this make sense?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
No, he was actually like really really play really playful.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah was this your grandfather? Then?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Maybe my grandfather was much more serious? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah with with your with your father that your father's dad.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I actually didn't get so I didn't know my father father.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, your mother's father. Then what was his name?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Just in case it's him.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
It's funny to me because I'm like what and I
go like this, like it's like it's in here, and
I go what, just in case Paulo pops in, because
sometimes I say things that are like, no, that's not
my dad, but that's my grandfather. So we'll keep them
in mind. Okay, So it's talking about that. But the
(07:29):
reason he talks about that, I guess he's trying to
this is something about are you in a relationship right now?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
No, I'm recently not proud of one.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Oh okay, Because he says it's understandable, just think twice
about it. So I don't know, maybe it's understandable. Then
you might want to go back. Maybe just think twice
about it. Something something around those lines, like saying whatever
(08:03):
whatever it is with that part, whatever is with that person.
It's like, that's fine, I understand it. Just think twice.
Please just think twice when in doubt, don't okay, Okay,
So maybe it was like going back.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
To oh Man.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Or maybe later on in life.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
You never know, Okay, something I think about it.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, exactly there's something about a bike in a book.
Does this make sense? Do you like on a bike?
And are you reading a book on a bike? Which
sounds really weird?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
A book?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, a bike in a book.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
No, I mean I don't have I don't have a bike.
I don't have a bike. I mean I've been wanting
to bike. I've been wanting to. You know, there's a movement.
It feels really important to me, and it's something that
I've been wanting to lean into more just like a
source of just what of like wisdom too? Right? In
(09:05):
a book? I mean I want to. I want to
at some point, right write a book.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
That's awesome. Both are pretty awesome. I think you should
go for both of them. The bike, I think that
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
That's interesting. He used he used to bike. I mean
he used to bike a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Oh, he used to bike. So so he would like
for you to do the same thing. He says. It's
he's he goes like this, it's just the wind in
your face, Like it's just about you and him. Like
he's like he can she can't even talk to me
when when she's on the bike, Like that could be
your connection, you know, like you're like thinking about everything
(09:43):
and nothing at the same time kind of thing. But
he's like, yeah, so yeah, if you want to give
it a.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Try, go, It's something I had been thinking about for
a few years. That's taking on. And I used to
ride a bikes and I lived in Mexico. I went
back to Mexico City where I'm from, and I used
to ride bikes there.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Really, and he's from great place to to start biking
again to Mexico City.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
That's where.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, okay, so maybe go back to it and the
book for sure, I guess he's validating, So I'm guessing
that it's going to happen if you do it.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I would love that.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And if it's a and if it's a book about
a bike, then.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
We're done exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's like the whole the whole circle. But you know
what I'm thinking, like, because your dad told me right now,
He's like, yeah, whatever she thinks on a bike, whatever
comes to mind on a bike, because she's going to
be alone with her thoughts, that's the book or that's
where the inspiration will come.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Wow, okay, wow, that's powerful.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, I mean it does feel like a push to
finally get this bike. That I've been thinking about well
for years.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Actually, wow, that's crazy. Then it's time. Maybe it wasn't
your time, you know. Now it's like, yeah, do it
and whatever. Yeah, there's there's so much clarity in in
the bike riding for you and especially Yeah, so that's
why he wants it for you. Okay, okay, Yeah, he
(11:23):
wants me to see him as old Yehito, which I
don't think he was. I don't think he died as
but he's making like or maybe it's your grandpa. But
they show me somebody old and sick, but something about
(11:46):
the sickness that really wasn't that bad as you guys thought,
like maybe it wasn't that painful, I think, or whatever
whatever they passed away from him. I still don't know
if it's Bablo, if it's Josse and they're like, don't
worry about it. I know it looked he said, I know,
(12:08):
it looks scary. I know it looked like it was
like like painful, but it really wasn't. I was pretty
much in a lot of peace.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Does this make sense for you?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, I mean it's it's I don't know who it's.
I mean, my dad passed away. Suddenly. So it was
very very very quick.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Oh good, there's no problem there.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
He felt peace. I think, you know immediately, I think
you know, yeah, I think it was like something it
was a hard attack.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
So yeah, oh it was a hard deck. Yeah. So
maybe it was so like this because it goes like this.
So so it's like it wasn't as painful as it looked,
you know, So there wasn't time for me to be
in pain or in agony. It was like boom boom boom.
Yeah that's it. So I want he wants you to
(13:01):
know that that. Yeah, sometimes we imagine things that, you know,
like something worse, but with him, it's like the opposite.
He's so happy. He's such a happy person. M hm,
he's happy over there. Okay, okay, and this is I
(13:22):
don't know if this is for your mom or this
is for you, but she goes, he goes. Everything's so
black and white with you, black and white. Yeah, I'm sorry,
I lost my voice. I'm doing I'm doing my sexy
do what lu an Deela's voice because I can't. I
(13:45):
lost my voice. I'm so sorry. I'm turning my heart.
IM sorry, but that everything so black and white? Is
this you so see, like, are you like very black
and white kind of person, Like.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
You know, I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't before, but
I think that, you know, some things happened recently where
I felt like maybe I needed thanks to be more
black and white, and maybe I had been making mistakes
before by having it be a little more open.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
And oh, okay, you kind of took took a step
back and went into the hall because he's he's talking
about it's not it's not about that, you know. So
maybe well sometimes when we're hurt or whatever, we change
our ways, you know. But he's more like, it's not
about black and white. It's not about that. It's coming
(14:37):
to a middle, middle ground. And you know, he's like piece,
he goes like this, I love peace of love.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
He's like, I can't picture. Yeah, he was a silly
he was you know, he was silly. He had like
a little kid spirit.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
It's very yeah, he is like a silly's fear, like
very laid back, very normal, you know. But he's like,
come on, like you know, you know better than this.
Maybe it was the moment, maybe it was the situation,
but not every situation has to be the same, you know,
(15:17):
and you can't act upon a situation the same way
as you act upon this one, you know. So he's like,
I think he wants you to go back to the
whole gray areas because I feel he feels not me.
He feels like it makes you suffer a little bit more.
(15:37):
You think you're guarding yourself, but it makes you suffer
because that's not you. Yeah, and what is this about
him dancing so much? Why is he dancing so much?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Oh, he loved to dance. Okay, I love it. Do
you know why I see him in a tuxedo?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
No, I'm not sure. I mean, okay, yeah, I think
he wasn't an address the person, but I think my
brother is you know, wedding the last time that he
wore like a really fancy.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Oh like yeah right, very opposed to what he usually
would wear.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, casual for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah, he was like he goes like this like that,
you know how people start to dance, which will be
us in like thirty years probably, but you know, dada
data he starts going like this like like bopping, you know,
and I love it because but he wants me to
show you that he's in a tuxedo. So I don't know,
(16:39):
maybe you have a memory from him from back then,
or maybe you're gonna stumble upon a picture with a
tuxedo something like that. Just remember this moment, Yeah, remember
and you'll be like, oh.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, him dancing, we know was his favorite thing.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Oh really, that's well he's still dancing up, apparently in
a touxedo. So he's doing good. Okay, let me continue. Okay,
he's talking about I guess you and your family because
he's like, I wish we were more united before I left.
(17:17):
Does this make any sense?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I feel like we were united, but we could have
been more open with each other. It felt like sometimes
he was the one that we were close, but he
didn't always like like he kind of guard up a
little bit of how he connected, right.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I got it. Okay, he's he kind of like feels
bad about that because you know, maybe it was his way.
You know, people are people are they're sending their ways whatever,
which we're going to be also. But he's very sorry
about that because now he understands like what he was
(17:59):
doing being wrong, you know, or like being guarded or whatever,
like you should only know this part about me, So
you think I'm your hero, and I don't have any
flaws like stuff like that or I don't know something
like that. So he's like, I'm really sorry because we
could have been more united, we could have been more
(18:21):
like this, And I feel that there. I don't know
if this happened to you, but I feel like when
he died, you kind of found out a lot of
things that you didn't know about him. Does this make sense?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
You know? Not? Not? Not that not? Actually I didn't.
I think part of me didn't actually want to find
out anything oh more about him. Good, So no, because
I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
It's not my job to do it. Don't worry, you know, it.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Felt it felt better to at that point, especially to
just you know, have the things they knew about him
as a human and and you know, not let anything
else perhaps taint or change the way that I already
how I had experienced him. If that makes.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Sense, totally totally. It's like you want them to stay
the way they were, the state, the way they were
here and here, and that's all you need.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, like any information it would I mean, I don't
think it would change, but it's just like like it
wouldn't be that's useful, useful to me, you.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Know at all, because if you find out something, be like, now,
why do I do with this?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You know exactly?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I get that. I get that. Okay, do you have
any questions for him?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah? I guess I want uh to know if he thinks,
I mean, I can ask him anything anything. Oh yeah,
if he thinks I should move back to Mexico and
start something there.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, okay, Allas tex Talis. It's not me, it's him,
he says. Oh so it got hard and now you
want to leave. Oh your poor baby. No, no, no,
you gotta stick it out. You got to find a way.
You're already there.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You fall.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I feel like you've always dreamed of being in La
or something like that, and he's like making fun of you,
like like you know, like something like that, like no, no, no,
stay stay because there's something about what is for you
(20:34):
will come to you no matter where you're at or
who's standing next to you. It's like, but you got it.
You have to be patient about it. How long have
you been in law?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Twelve years? But I moved I'm from Mexico, but I
grew up in the US and I moved back to
Mexico as an adult.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Got got then you went back.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, I've just been feeling like it's still like it
keeps calling me, calling me back.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I could always say you can always go back. That's fine.
You know, you can try in Mexico. If not, you
go back. But he's like, no, no, no, because there's
something about your dream or your dreams or your goals
that's in La that's not in Mexico. Necessarily. Does this
makes sense?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
It might? It might, yeah, I mean that's what I'm
figuring out.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
But yeah, I think it has to do with your job.
It has to do with who you are, what what
you like to do, stuff like that. I think that's
where it goes. So he's like, no, no, no, no,
you've got your thing going, you gotta go. You can
always go to Mexico just any day, just pick up
your things and go to Mexico. That's fine. Well you've
(21:53):
got to stay at least to prove to yourself that
you gave it. You're all mm hm, what is it
that you do?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I do a few things, but I have I have
a podcast, Oh you do, okay? I also do list
is like storytelling things, and I also do community community
engagement okay, okay, and like for urban planning projects.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Oh well you can, you can home office lots of
that stuff, right, I love that. Yeah, Okay. I think
for for what your dad is looking at, I think
you're on the right track.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I think you're doing what you're supposed to your or
you're supposed to be. And he's talking very much about silence.
He's like, you're silently getting in there, you know, like
you say, you're silently getting in there. So stay there, silently,
(22:58):
stay there and get like like a little kid. When
he wants to get to the front of the line,
he's going to be very quiet and walking between people,
and then suddenly he's in the front. That's kind of you.
It's like, excuse me, excuse me, Like you know you're
doing you're going to do that. That's you. So I
(23:18):
really hope I'm interpreting this right because I know this
there's a lot of responsibility. But I really think that
he wants you to stay in La a little while longer.
And then he says, when it doesn't make sense, then
go to Mexico and make your life with purpose, you know.
(23:41):
But right now it's more about fulfilling your dreams and
giving it all you got and then like for Mexico,
it's because it's going to be a new chapter obviously
and everything you know. But he's like, don't give up yet.
Things are coming, things are coming, don't give up. And
I think things are coming with with what with writing?
(24:03):
M hmm, with writing? And I feel tell me if
you're wrong, if I'm wrong. I feel like you have
two stories or two series or two something something in
twos that have been like the ones that you have
more faith in or something that say, those are gonna
(24:24):
be the ones that are going to be you know, taken.
They're gonna be they're gonna take him, but you've got
to be patient and wait for the right person. But
I feel it's two of them. Does this make sense?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Well, I guess so far in my writing journey, I've
written two short stories that I've been working on or
performed and working working.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Oh okay, so those are the ones. Okay, they're gonna
do fine, They're gonna do good, and somebody's gonna pick
them up and you're gonna do very good with them.
So maybe maybe that's what you need to do. You
need to state to make those stories you need to,
maybe not for yourself or anything, but for those stories,
(25:08):
they need to be heard, they need to be somewhere important.
So maybe you can instantly, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
As a push to publish them. Or I've been working
on trying to finish one to submit for something and
it's been taking me a long time. And it's actually
about partially about my story about my grief my former
former relationship, but also losing my dad all and along
the same stories are interconnected.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah oh yeah, two different griefs, but at the same
time at the same day, it's grief. No matter what,
You've got to treat it, you gotta live it. You
got to go through it because if you don't, then
you're teating your way through life and then that's when
the depression comes, and that's when the anxiety comes. So yeah, yeah,
(25:53):
go for griefing. Okay, you have any more.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Questions, maybe just one more, I guess anything. I want
to ask him if he still wants me to have
to have children.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Ah ah, Do you think one of they thinks yes?
Of course I think they Llaw is gonna say yes,
but he says, I think you think you want them,
but you really don't, you know, like when we're maybe twenty,
(26:28):
we're like, yes, I want this and this and this,
and then suddenly you're thirty five and you're like, am
I fighting for the dream that I had twenty years ago?
Or am I fighting for the dream that I have now?
You know? It's different. So he's like, reassess what you
have and reassess your life then, and then ask yourself,
(26:48):
do I really want this? Maybe not? You know, Like
for him it's like for sure, like please be my
guest and have them have as many as you want.
But oh no, no, He's like, if you look at
you got to rethink everything. Put yourself in a place
(27:10):
where you can look at your goals and see if
you have new ones and see what you know not
the other ones like that, and I think you're going
to find that maybe you're not the one that wants
that wants the children after all? Maybe maybe you know.
But for him, it's like, yes, but rethink it.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Good anything else I'm here, I'm here.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
This is kind of random, but I mean, yeah, the
bike then came up. But wondering these other activities that
you think could really help my we have more peace
as I you know, there's a lot of things you
talked about that do require like, you know, some difficult
internal work you know, Oh yeah, total the accepting the
(28:01):
not things. You know, things aren't so black and white
or you know, that requires some inner work to be
able to. And there's some other things that he is
I'm wondering what you can.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
At least you can go to the therapist and be
like my dad said that this and this, we need
to work on this, so now you have like a
little cheat sheet for that for that.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
But yeah, any activities, you know, biking, like that's standing out.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Okay, he's showing me. I don't know if you're like
a lazy person or not, because he's like he's laughing
because he's like going like like yoga poses or something
like that. He's like, something, well, she doesn't have to
run or anything like, she has to like do things
(28:50):
just like slowly that are more mindful than anything else.
And he laughs. He's like she's not fit for the
whole like, yeah, let's go to a box class or
boxing class or whatever. I don't know why he said that,
is it?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, Yeah, no, I actually do like a lot a
lot of movement, but I mean I could benefit from
things that are that are slower too, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Maybe it's that, Yeah, it's it's something about your mind,
something about slowly and thinking and stuff like that. That's
what he recommends. Yeah, but maybe your other side the movement,
you know, go do whatever you want. But yeah, it's
crazy how like the bike and the yoga and all
that stuff, they're all like things that you have to
(29:36):
like use your mind. So I think I feel like
he's stressing on that point because I feel that your
creativity and everything stems from there, you.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Know, Yeah, yeah I can.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, can you feel it too, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
And then had a harder time accessing it recently, even
though I want to so much. So I think that
there's something get that's been blocking it.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
And you haven't really tapped on it in that way,
you know. Yeah. So I think that's what Like I
see bike book right now written and I'm like, yes,
that's it, Like it makes sense, you know, like, yeah,
you got to ride your bike. You gotta clear your mind,
and that's.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Where you're going to a bike today.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah. Today. I'm telling you, if he wants it, he
wants it now, so do it. That's exciting, No, thank
you and it was such a pleasure to have you
here on the show and to be so receptive and
so nice to me into the whole experience. Thank you
so much. I hope everybody learned a little from us
(30:49):
story and from us actually from Shila. We call you
Anna Sila actually like because we call it therapy because
it's all about like it's a little little kind of
like a therapy kind of session, you know. And now
we always tell them our public that they need to
(31:09):
pay attention because whatever your dad tells you, he's telling everybody,
you know. And so like the bike and the book
and the just everything, it makes sense, like you have
to have this thing that you do that puts your
mind at ease, that puts your mind on you know,
in blank mind and makes you think about things that
(31:32):
you don't usually have time to think about. So the
bike thing is like for you, but for me, I
think I can take it too and use it for myself.
Maybe not on a bike, because I'm the worst person
on a bike. I will run you over, I will
run into a bush. I ran into a car once.
I h's the worst. But something that I can do,
(31:52):
I will do it because I really like for me
listening to this. I need, I need something to clear
my mind. So yeah, the fact that your dad told
you this, I'm taking it too. It's for me too,
and whoever out there.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Yeah, thank you, thank you for holding space. And yeah,
I'm hoping that you know the messages that I received
other people are resonating with you in their own way
right exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Thank you so much and you're gonna do great. Thank you,
Bye bye
But you know what I'm thinking, like, because your dad
told me right now, he's like, whatever she thinks on
a bike, whatever comes to mind on a bike, because
she's going to be alone with her thoughts. That's the
book or that's where the inspiration will come.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Okay, wow, Welcome to ghost Therapy, where it's not just
about connecting with deceased loved ones, it's about learning through
them and their new perspective.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Hi, guys, welcome to ghost Therapy. I'm paul Lah and
thank you for coming back for one more episode. This
time around, we talked to anache La Victorino and she
well she's a writer and well she does many things.
It's we all do in life. But she wanted to
talk to to her dad. And I think that many
(00:50):
of the messages received today could apply to everybody that's listening.
For me, the bike one, the analogy of the bike
in the book. All right, guys, like pay attention because
this is a good one. Okay, thank you for joining us.
Hope you enjoy the show. Hey, guys, welcome to ghost Therapy.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
We're so happy to have annashe let Victoria with us.
Thank you Anna for coming.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Hi, Paula of course, I'm really excited, and I have
to say a little bit nervous about what this experience
is going to be. Like, I know that's normal, so
it's a little bit normal.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Is it your first time?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It's my first time?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Alrighty. I like first timers. I like it. I like
it because they're like they're just ready to be.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Astounded. No, I'm kidding, but thank you so much for
being here. Who are we going to talk to today?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
We're going to talk to me, puppy, my dad?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Okay, hey, what's his name?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
His name is Jose.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
All right, well I'm going to say a little pair
in silence and I'll.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Be right back.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Okay, this may be very random. Showing me lots of paper?
Do you know what? Lots of paper?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Lots of paper? I'm not sure. I mean, he the
only thing I think of is he was you know,
he was a teacher. But I think of I think
of him showing and I have, you know, images of
him shuffling gading a lot of papers.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
That could be it. Okay, Okay, that could be one. Okay,
thank you for that. Okay, it was so random to
say saying paper, So I said, maybe it doesn't mean
something special or you never know. Okay, let me continue.
He's talking about you. He wants to go into your life.
Your life. I don't know what your profession is, just
(02:58):
so you know that they they don't tell me who
you are until they so, just so I won't look
you up for He as organic and normal as yeah,
so are you. He's like, you just have to remember
that it's not going to be about this. Ever, it's
going to be about I don't know. I feel like
(03:21):
fulfilling heart fulfilling dreams, fulfilling soul. But he's like, it's
never going to be about this. And you know that
he said, not that you can't have money, you can
have it from something else, but from your passion or
what you love. I guess he's I guess he's proud
(03:43):
of you because you're doing it for other reasons. That's
not the way. Does this makes sense?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, oh that's awesome, Okay, because he says it's very
hard to mix and match, like to mix things to
do like what you love with what you have to do,
or something like something about mixing.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
And yeah, but it's interesting because I feel like in
the past he would have been someone that would have
thought more about, you know, thinking about money. But but
I think there's things, you know, there's things that I
didn't fully know about my dad too, you know, like
(04:26):
because I know I don't I don't know that much
about the spirit world, but I know that sometimes, you know,
our ancestors, when they're in the spirit world, they can
also be in the process of healing, even in act,
in the act and the after life. And I've actually
had dreams with him where he actually seemed like the
version of him had he been able to heal his
traumas while he was here here on earth. I had
(04:49):
a dream where I just saw him in his like
this whole expression, like, you know, I loved him my
whole life. I look forgiven him for the things whatever,
you know, those almost squirrel him. But yeah, yeah, sure,
but there is enough, you know, I loved him so much,
and it was interesting to see him in this dream
(05:09):
without all the stuff that was getting in the way
of him being his most like beautiful expression of self.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, his best self for exactly. Well. Also, yeah, when
they get up there, they become perfect. They become like
these perfect versions of themselves, you know, so they don't
care about they don't care about what actually God takes
away or whatever you're believing. He takes away the negative
part of everything. So you can't be greedy, you can't
(05:39):
be mean, you can't miss anybody. It's just like very like,
let's be happy. That's all there is, you know. So
I'm thinking that, you know, like you said, maybe in
life he was about the money, but he's not anymore.
Like he's you know, I think that's why he's reaching
(06:00):
out to you in that way, maybe by saying, you know,
I was wrong, you know, or maybe I was going
the wrong way. But uh he laughs. I think I
think you hit like a sore spot with him because
he's laughing. He's like, yeah, that was me, but not anymore,
which is good. But I think he wants to make
(06:24):
it clear also like mmm, like don't fall into the
same trap as I did. He's also he wants to
talk about his I guess his demeanor was he like
very serious, like very strict. Does this make sense?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
No, he was actually like really really play really playful.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah was this your grandfather? Then?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Maybe my grandfather was much more serious? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah with with your with your father that your father's dad.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I actually didn't get so I didn't know my father father.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, your mother's father. Then what was his name?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Just in case it's him.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
It's funny to me because I'm like what and I
go like this, like it's like it's in here, and
I go what, just in case Paulo pops in, because
sometimes I say things that are like, no, that's not
my dad, but that's my grandfather. So we'll keep them
in mind. Okay, So it's talking about that. But the
(07:29):
reason he talks about that, I guess he's trying to
this is something about are you in a relationship right now?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
No, I'm recently not proud of one.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Oh okay, Because he says it's understandable, just think twice
about it. So I don't know, maybe it's understandable. Then
you might want to go back. Maybe just think twice
about it. Something something around those lines, like saying whatever
(08:03):
whatever it is with that part, whatever is with that person.
It's like, that's fine, I understand it. Just think twice.
Please just think twice when in doubt, don't okay, Okay,
So maybe it was like going back.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
To oh Man.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Or maybe later on in life.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
You never know, Okay, something I think about it.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, exactly there's something about a bike in a book.
Does this make sense? Do you like on a bike?
And are you reading a book on a bike? Which
sounds really weird?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
A book?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, a bike in a book.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
No, I mean I don't have I don't have a bike.
I don't have a bike. I mean I've been wanting
to bike. I've been wanting to. You know, there's a movement.
It feels really important to me, and it's something that
I've been wanting to lean into more just like a
source of just what of like wisdom too? Right? In
(09:05):
a book? I mean I want to. I want to
at some point, right write a book.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
That's awesome. Both are pretty awesome. I think you should
go for both of them. The bike, I think that
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
That's interesting. He used he used to bike. I mean
he used to bike a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Oh, he used to bike. So so he would like
for you to do the same thing. He says. It's
he's he goes like this, it's just the wind in
your face, Like it's just about you and him. Like
he's like he can she can't even talk to me
when when she's on the bike, Like that could be
your connection, you know, like you're like thinking about everything
(09:43):
and nothing at the same time kind of thing. But
he's like, yeah, so yeah, if you want to give
it a.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Try, go, It's something I had been thinking about for
a few years. That's taking on. And I used to
ride a bikes and I lived in Mexico. I went
back to Mexico City where I'm from, and I used
to ride bikes there.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Really, and he's from great place to to start biking
again to Mexico City.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
That's where.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, okay, so maybe go back to it and the
book for sure, I guess he's validating, So I'm guessing
that it's going to happen if you do it.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I would love that.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And if it's a and if it's a book about
a bike, then.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
We're done exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's like the whole the whole circle. But you know
what I'm thinking, like, because your dad told me right now,
He's like, yeah, whatever she thinks on a bike, whatever
comes to mind on a bike, because she's going to
be alone with her thoughts, that's the book or that's
where the inspiration will come.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Wow, okay, wow, that's powerful.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, I mean it does feel like a push to
finally get this bike. That I've been thinking about well
for years.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Actually, wow, that's crazy. Then it's time. Maybe it wasn't
your time, you know. Now it's like, yeah, do it
and whatever. Yeah, there's there's so much clarity in in
the bike riding for you and especially Yeah, so that's
why he wants it for you. Okay, okay, Yeah, he
(11:23):
wants me to see him as old Yehito, which I
don't think he was. I don't think he died as
but he's making like or maybe it's your grandpa. But
they show me somebody old and sick, but something about
(11:46):
the sickness that really wasn't that bad as you guys thought,
like maybe it wasn't that painful, I think, or whatever
whatever they passed away from him. I still don't know
if it's Bablo, if it's Josse and they're like, don't
worry about it. I know it looked he said, I know,
(12:08):
it looks scary. I know it looked like it was
like like painful, but it really wasn't. I was pretty
much in a lot of peace.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Does this make sense for you?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, I mean it's it's I don't know who it's.
I mean, my dad passed away. Suddenly. So it was
very very very quick.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Oh good, there's no problem there.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
He felt peace. I think, you know immediately, I think
you know, yeah, I think it was like something it
was a hard attack.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
So yeah, oh it was a hard deck. Yeah. So
maybe it was so like this because it goes like this.
So so it's like it wasn't as painful as it looked,
you know, So there wasn't time for me to be
in pain or in agony. It was like boom boom boom.
Yeah that's it. So I want he wants you to
(13:01):
know that that. Yeah, sometimes we imagine things that, you know,
like something worse, but with him, it's like the opposite.
He's so happy. He's such a happy person. M hm,
he's happy over there. Okay, okay, and this is I
(13:22):
don't know if this is for your mom or this
is for you, but she goes, he goes. Everything's so
black and white with you, black and white. Yeah, I'm sorry,
I lost my voice. I'm doing I'm doing my sexy
do what lu an Deela's voice because I can't. I
(13:45):
lost my voice. I'm so sorry. I'm turning my heart.
IM sorry, but that everything so black and white? Is
this you so see, like, are you like very black
and white kind of person, Like.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
You know, I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't before, but
I think that, you know, some things happened recently where
I felt like maybe I needed thanks to be more
black and white, and maybe I had been making mistakes
before by having it be a little more open.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
And oh, okay, you kind of took took a step
back and went into the hall because he's he's talking
about it's not it's not about that, you know. So
maybe well sometimes when we're hurt or whatever, we change
our ways, you know. But he's more like, it's not
about black and white. It's not about that. It's coming
(14:37):
to a middle, middle ground. And you know, he's like piece,
he goes like this, I love peace of love.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
He's like, I can't picture. Yeah, he was a silly
he was you know, he was silly. He had like
a little kid spirit.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
It's very yeah, he is like a silly's fear, like
very laid back, very normal, you know. But he's like,
come on, like you know, you know better than this.
Maybe it was the moment, maybe it was the situation,
but not every situation has to be the same, you know,
(15:17):
and you can't act upon a situation the same way
as you act upon this one, you know. So he's like,
I think he wants you to go back to the
whole gray areas because I feel he feels not me.
He feels like it makes you suffer a little bit more.
(15:37):
You think you're guarding yourself, but it makes you suffer
because that's not you. Yeah, and what is this about
him dancing so much? Why is he dancing so much?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Oh, he loved to dance. Okay, I love it. Do
you know why I see him in a tuxedo?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
No, I'm not sure. I mean, okay, yeah, I think
he wasn't an address the person, but I think my
brother is you know, wedding the last time that he
wore like a really fancy.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Oh like yeah right, very opposed to what he usually
would wear.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, casual for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah, he was like he goes like this like that,
you know how people start to dance, which will be
us in like thirty years probably, but you know, dada
data he starts going like this like like bopping, you know,
and I love it because but he wants me to
show you that he's in a tuxedo. So I don't know,
(16:39):
maybe you have a memory from him from back then,
or maybe you're gonna stumble upon a picture with a
tuxedo something like that. Just remember this moment, Yeah, remember
and you'll be like, oh.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, him dancing, we know was his favorite thing.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Oh really, that's well he's still dancing up, apparently in
a touxedo. So he's doing good. Okay, let me continue. Okay,
he's talking about I guess you and your family because
he's like, I wish we were more united before I left.
(17:17):
Does this make any sense?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I feel like we were united, but we could have
been more open with each other. It felt like sometimes
he was the one that we were close, but he
didn't always like like he kind of guard up a
little bit of how he connected, right.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I got it. Okay, he's he kind of like feels
bad about that because you know, maybe it was his way.
You know, people are people are they're sending their ways whatever,
which we're going to be also. But he's very sorry
about that because now he understands like what he was
(17:59):
doing being wrong, you know, or like being guarded or whatever,
like you should only know this part about me, So
you think I'm your hero, and I don't have any
flaws like stuff like that or I don't know something
like that. So he's like, I'm really sorry because we
could have been more united, we could have been more
(18:21):
like this, And I feel that there. I don't know
if this happened to you, but I feel like when
he died, you kind of found out a lot of
things that you didn't know about him. Does this make sense?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
You know? Not? Not? Not that not? Actually I didn't.
I think part of me didn't actually want to find
out anything oh more about him. Good, So no, because
I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
It's not my job to do it. Don't worry, you know, it.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Felt it felt better to at that point, especially to
just you know, have the things they knew about him
as a human and and you know, not let anything
else perhaps taint or change the way that I already
how I had experienced him. If that makes.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Sense, totally totally. It's like you want them to stay
the way they were, the state, the way they were
here and here, and that's all you need.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, like any information it would I mean, I don't
think it would change, but it's just like like it
wouldn't be that's useful, useful to me, you.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Know at all, because if you find out something, be like, now,
why do I do with this?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You know exactly?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I get that. I get that. Okay, do you have
any questions for him?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah? I guess I want uh to know if he thinks,
I mean, I can ask him anything anything. Oh yeah,
if he thinks I should move back to Mexico and
start something there.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, okay, Allas tex Talis. It's not me, it's him,
he says. Oh so it got hard and now you
want to leave. Oh your poor baby. No, no, no,
you gotta stick it out. You got to find a way.
You're already there.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You fall.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I feel like you've always dreamed of being in La
or something like that, and he's like making fun of you,
like like you know, like something like that, like no, no, no,
stay stay because there's something about what is for you
(20:34):
will come to you no matter where you're at or
who's standing next to you. It's like, but you got it.
You have to be patient about it. How long have
you been in law?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Twelve years? But I moved I'm from Mexico, but I
grew up in the US and I moved back to
Mexico as an adult.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Got got then you went back.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, I've just been feeling like it's still like it
keeps calling me, calling me back.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I could always say you can always go back. That's fine.
You know, you can try in Mexico. If not, you
go back. But he's like, no, no, no, because there's
something about your dream or your dreams or your goals
that's in La that's not in Mexico. Necessarily. Does this
makes sense?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
It might? It might, yeah, I mean that's what I'm
figuring out.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
But yeah, I think it has to do with your job.
It has to do with who you are, what what
you like to do, stuff like that. I think that's
where it goes. So he's like, no, no, no, no,
you've got your thing going, you gotta go. You can
always go to Mexico just any day, just pick up
your things and go to Mexico. That's fine. Well you've
(21:53):
got to stay at least to prove to yourself that
you gave it. You're all mm hm, what is it
that you do?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I do a few things, but I have I have
a podcast, Oh you do, okay? I also do list
is like storytelling things, and I also do community community
engagement okay, okay, and like for urban planning projects.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Oh well you can, you can home office lots of
that stuff, right, I love that. Yeah, Okay. I think
for for what your dad is looking at, I think
you're on the right track.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I think you're doing what you're supposed to your or
you're supposed to be. And he's talking very much about silence.
He's like, you're silently getting in there, you know, like
you say, you're silently getting in there. So stay there, silently,
(22:58):
stay there and get like like a little kid. When
he wants to get to the front of the line,
he's going to be very quiet and walking between people,
and then suddenly he's in the front. That's kind of you.
It's like, excuse me, excuse me, Like you know you're
doing you're going to do that. That's you. So I
(23:18):
really hope I'm interpreting this right because I know this
there's a lot of responsibility. But I really think that
he wants you to stay in La a little while longer.
And then he says, when it doesn't make sense, then
go to Mexico and make your life with purpose, you know.
(23:41):
But right now it's more about fulfilling your dreams and
giving it all you got and then like for Mexico,
it's because it's going to be a new chapter obviously
and everything you know. But he's like, don't give up yet.
Things are coming, things are coming, don't give up. And
I think things are coming with with what with writing?
(24:03):
M hmm, with writing? And I feel tell me if
you're wrong, if I'm wrong. I feel like you have
two stories or two series or two something something in
twos that have been like the ones that you have
more faith in or something that say, those are gonna
(24:24):
be the ones that are going to be you know, taken.
They're gonna be they're gonna take him, but you've got
to be patient and wait for the right person. But
I feel it's two of them. Does this make sense?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Well, I guess so far in my writing journey, I've
written two short stories that I've been working on or
performed and working working.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Oh okay, so those are the ones. Okay, they're gonna
do fine, They're gonna do good, and somebody's gonna pick
them up and you're gonna do very good with them.
So maybe maybe that's what you need to do. You
need to state to make those stories you need to,
maybe not for yourself or anything, but for those stories,
(25:08):
they need to be heard, they need to be somewhere important.
So maybe you can instantly, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
As a push to publish them. Or I've been working
on trying to finish one to submit for something and
it's been taking me a long time. And it's actually
about partially about my story about my grief my former
former relationship, but also losing my dad all and along
the same stories are interconnected.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah oh yeah, two different griefs, but at the same
time at the same day, it's grief. No matter what,
You've got to treat it, you gotta live it. You
got to go through it because if you don't, then
you're teating your way through life and then that's when
the depression comes, and that's when the anxiety comes. So yeah, yeah,
(25:53):
go for griefing. Okay, you have any more.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Questions, maybe just one more, I guess anything. I want
to ask him if he still wants me to have
to have children.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Ah ah, Do you think one of they thinks yes?
Of course I think they Llaw is gonna say yes,
but he says, I think you think you want them,
but you really don't, you know, like when we're maybe twenty,
(26:28):
we're like, yes, I want this and this and this,
and then suddenly you're thirty five and you're like, am
I fighting for the dream that I had twenty years ago?
Or am I fighting for the dream that I have now?
You know? It's different. So he's like, reassess what you
have and reassess your life then, and then ask yourself,
(26:48):
do I really want this? Maybe not? You know, Like
for him it's like for sure, like please be my
guest and have them have as many as you want.
But oh no, no, He's like, if you look at
you got to rethink everything. Put yourself in a place
(27:10):
where you can look at your goals and see if
you have new ones and see what you know not
the other ones like that, and I think you're going
to find that maybe you're not the one that wants
that wants the children after all? Maybe maybe you know.
But for him, it's like, yes, but rethink it.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Good anything else I'm here, I'm here.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
This is kind of random, but I mean, yeah, the
bike then came up. But wondering these other activities that
you think could really help my we have more peace
as I you know, there's a lot of things you
talked about that do require like, you know, some difficult
internal work you know, Oh yeah, total the accepting the
(28:01):
not things. You know, things aren't so black and white
or you know, that requires some inner work to be
able to. And there's some other things that he is
I'm wondering what you can.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
At least you can go to the therapist and be
like my dad said that this and this, we need
to work on this, so now you have like a
little cheat sheet for that for that.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
But yeah, any activities, you know, biking, like that's standing out.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Okay, he's showing me. I don't know if you're like
a lazy person or not, because he's like he's laughing
because he's like going like like yoga poses or something
like that. He's like, something, well, she doesn't have to
run or anything like, she has to like do things
(28:50):
just like slowly that are more mindful than anything else.
And he laughs. He's like she's not fit for the
whole like, yeah, let's go to a box class or
boxing class or whatever. I don't know why he said that,
is it?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, Yeah, no, I actually do like a lot a
lot of movement, but I mean I could benefit from
things that are that are slower too, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Maybe it's that, Yeah, it's it's something about your mind,
something about slowly and thinking and stuff like that. That's
what he recommends. Yeah, but maybe your other side the movement,
you know, go do whatever you want. But yeah, it's
crazy how like the bike and the yoga and all
that stuff, they're all like things that you have to
(29:36):
like use your mind. So I think I feel like
he's stressing on that point because I feel that your
creativity and everything stems from there, you.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Know, Yeah, yeah I can.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, can you feel it too, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
And then had a harder time accessing it recently, even
though I want to so much. So I think that
there's something get that's been blocking it.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
And you haven't really tapped on it in that way,
you know. Yeah. So I think that's what Like I
see bike book right now written and I'm like, yes,
that's it, Like it makes sense, you know, like, yeah,
you got to ride your bike. You gotta clear your mind,
and that's.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Where you're going to a bike today.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah. Today. I'm telling you, if he wants it, he
wants it now, so do it. That's exciting, No, thank
you and it was such a pleasure to have you
here on the show and to be so receptive and
so nice to me into the whole experience. Thank you
so much. I hope everybody learned a little from us
(30:49):
story and from us actually from Shila. We call you
Anna Sila actually like because we call it therapy because
it's all about like it's a little little kind of
like a therapy kind of session, you know. And now
we always tell them our public that they need to
(31:09):
pay attention because whatever your dad tells you, he's telling everybody,
you know. And so like the bike and the book
and the just everything, it makes sense, like you have
to have this thing that you do that puts your
mind at ease, that puts your mind on you know,
in blank mind and makes you think about things that
(31:32):
you don't usually have time to think about. So the
bike thing is like for you, but for me, I
think I can take it too and use it for myself.
Maybe not on a bike, because I'm the worst person
on a bike. I will run you over, I will
run into a bush. I ran into a car once.
I h's the worst. But something that I can do,
(31:52):
I will do it because I really like for me
listening to this. I need, I need something to clear
my mind. So yeah, the fact that your dad told
you this, I'm taking it too. It's for me too,
and whoever out there.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Yeah, thank you, thank you for holding space. And yeah,
I'm hoping that you know the messages that I received
other people are resonating with you in their own way
right exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Thank you so much and you're gonna do great. Thank you,
Bye bye
Host
Paola Pedroza
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