February 18, 2025 • 33 mins
Joanna is a Venezuelan-American comedian, writer and actor who gained popularity through her videos on YouTube and as head-writer/talent on Univision's digital platform "Flama" As a TV writer, Joanna has worked for shows in Netflix, Disney and HBO Max.
Her work won her "Best Comedian" and "Creator of the Year" in Hispanicize's 2016 Tecla awards. She was also honored by the National Hispanic Media Coalition with the 2018 award for “Best Online Storyteller.” She was also named one of Hola! Magazines “Top 100 Latina Powerhouses” in 2022.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow. Okay, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Wow Okay, yes, that is from what I understand accurate.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Welcome to ghost therapy, where it's not just about connecting
with deceased loved ones, it's about learning through them and
their new perspective. Hey, guys, welcome to ghost Therapy. I'm
Paula Prosa. Thank you for tuning back in. This has
been such a journey for us at ghost Therapy. We're
(00:36):
having so much fun, We're learning so much and we
hope that, like the intention of the show is that
this serves us therapy for you as it is for
our guests. This time around, we have comedian Joanna Hassman.
She's hilarious. She was such an amazing guest. She wanted
to talk to her aunt. She had a close relationship.
(00:58):
But a lot of people came over uninvited. New people
came in and a lot of her more titos, which
was inspiring because I guess she's someone that really, you know,
impacted her a lot of lives. So a couple of
people visited besides the ant and we even, oh my gosh,
(01:21):
this is crazy. We figured out some stuff about some people.
I don't want to give too much away, but some
people's deaths that we didn't know about, we didn't know
how they came about, and they came in and they
helped us out. They helped Joanna out with the reasons
why and how it happened. And it was amazing because
(01:43):
I think she really needed to know, and not even her,
but her family too. So I hope her family listens today.
And you, guys, this is such an interesting story. I
really think you're going to enjoy it. So here is
Joanna Hausman, great median, so enjoyable. This is ghost therapy.
(02:18):
I'm super happy to have another episode with a wonderful,
wonderful woman. And she's Venezuelan and well American, North American, right,
Venezuelan and North American. And I'm gonna say venez Venezuela,
but given isuel and I hate.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It sounds weird when I can't do it. I can't
say correctas Venezuela.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Gotta go Venezuela, exactly, Gotta go Venezuela.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Joanna Housman, thank you so much for me.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I've never done anything like this in my entire life.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Oh then this is gonna be very fun watching you
be very nervous.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I'm already nervous.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I'm already this is gonna be fun, and I'm just
so happy that. Well, you're a comedian, you're when you sta,
you're a writer, you're a television writer. You're also an actress.
I love comedy. I love comedy from Venezuela, and I
just hope that this reading you bring forth your comedic intuition,
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because this is not gonna be about crying. This is
not gonna be about anything but having fun, having peace.
And if you think something's funny, by all means, because
when they're so happy up there, we need to be
happy down here. Okay, you know, so you're gonna endure it,
So feel free to be funny if you feel.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Like, Okay, no perr. I can guarantee anxiousness. That is
something I will guarantee.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, that's something funny. Sometimes before I take my pill,
it's funny. I mean, after I take my pill, anxiety
is funny to me, not before. Okay, So let's start.
Would you give me the name of the person that
we want to contact in your relationship to that the.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Person I want to contact this belky, she was my aunt.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Just gonna do a quick, quick parent silence, and I'll
be right back.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Okay, okay, great, okay.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Okay, Sally. So it doesn't have to be exactly about
you or I don't know if it is, but she
mentioned something about she was always against something or always
kind of putting herself in the way of things happening.
Does that make sense. I don't know if it's with
you or with your mom. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Oh wow. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
And I don't know if it was happened things happening
for her, but I feel more if it's like for
things happening for other people, like you would kind of
think it was something done in a very like premeditatated
way or something. But she's kind of trying to explain,
like she's going like, oh, like, I can't believe she
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was that way.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, there was.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I guess there was some a bit of conflict when
it came to her treatment and she sort of I
think from what I understand, my mom and her disagreed
in what treatment to do, and I think she decided
for her own self to do something I think more
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holistic or natural, and my mom was against that, and
I think there was some friction there.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Thank you for sharing that because I think she's like
like saying, like, oh, sorry, you know what I mean,
Like it wasn't my intention. It sounded like it was,
but it was it was just like her being She's
saying like it was like her being stupid, you know,
like her being just like not wanting to comply. But
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she mentions kind of like being angry, you know, And
she mentions kind of like she was so angry that
she was kind of reluctant of being told what to do.
And so says, Bara Yerrak, it's you know, it's me.
It's me that I want to do. And she wants
to apologize for that, and not apologize because maybe she
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would have been alive or not. It's not about that.
It's about having given a hard time, you see what
I'm saying. And that's what she. I think usually when
it's like the first thing they say, it's because that's
the most important thing to them, you know, like they
really might want to make it right. So I guess
this message, I really think it's for your mom more
than anything else. Definitely, Yeah, just to tell her that
(06:51):
sorry for getting in the way and for not listening
and for just being she mention she mentions the word
stupid again, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
It's not that is that is not surprising. She was
had a very Venezuelaan sense of humor. And I can't
imagine her saying, topia.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Please tell your mom. Like she's very thankful, you know,
she she knows that everything was done for her to
be well, it was just her and she's very like,
kind of disappointed in herself, and she's very thankful that
that she put up with her.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Basically, Okay, that's good to know.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Good to know. Moving on, just really quick before I continue.
Is there somebody that died? I believe it's a it's
a man. It's just something. I feel like he's coming in.
He's coming very strong, and I feel like it's something
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that he has something to do with not wanting to
narocon Nell. Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, the same year my aunt passed. Yeah, I'm curious
if it's this person. My uncle Antonio also passed. I
think they passed six months apart.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
And who is this too?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
H two belkies her brother?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Ah. Okay, now does this mean because he tratta pass
in como na el or this.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
It's seven amente el tomo elisis mass secretive in Connos
if we to owners or pressa is Medo Familion, Poco
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and suprocessor. So it was very traumatic for the family
to go through these two deaths, and shockingly and quickly
cooel it felt taboo to talk about because it felt
like he didn't want us to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Right exactly, and I feel it, And it's the same
way he's he's very like, he's very sorry, you know,
he thinks that there's something about it. He's not letting
me know why he died, but he's very ashamed that
the reason for the taboo is, he explains, is that
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he's very ashamed because I guess he wasn't doing something right.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That kind of yeah, wow, okay, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
It's wow.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Okay, okay girl yo wan family therapy. Wow okay. Yes,
that is from what I understand accurate. I believe that
he was unfairly unfairly in prison in Venezuela, and I
(10:19):
believe he was under house arrest. And he he was
a very funny and like a.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
He had like a ranch like he you know, he.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
He's a man of the and he would like leave
during the times he was supposed to be at home.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
He would like leave.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Apparently he just didn't care, and then that caused him
to go into more serious prison. He was, you know,
in Venezuela, a lot of people go to prison for
things that aren't necessarily prison worthy because of the you know,
the government we have right now, and so that was
definitely the case, and he sort of did not follow
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the rules, refused to take a plea bargain because he
was a very you know, you know, a very he
believed in himself and he didn't want to accept a lie.
So so, yeah, and that's a big, from what I understand,
a big fight that occurred within the siblings. It's just like, hey,
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accept it, just just take the plea bargain, and he's like, no,
I refuse to.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Wow, that's crazy. He's so like when when you're saying that,
he's he's going like this, like he's nodding, like yeah,
that's what, Like it was not good. It was for him.
He's laughing and he's saying something about, you know, like,
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you know, standing up for what I felt or for
what I He doesn't tell me how he died or anything,
but it was just like, listen, it was shame.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
It was.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I'm sorry, it's just he's laughing so much because he's
laughing at himself. You see what I'm saying, like saying,
that's how that's how crazy I was. That I would
rather that happened to me than just being a serious
adult and doing what I had to do. You see
what I'm saying. Like he's like, I wasn't a normal person.
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He said, I was not normal at all, And I'm
so sorry. He says, like, you know what, I feel
like your mom should be here today because like like
I feel like this is for your mom too, you know,
for you too, but this is like for your mom,
Like I'm so sorry for being so stupid. He's like
I did, and he just wants to let you know
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really quick that he did talk to somebody. I believe
it was another man that he I think he was
able to say, I'm sorry for something. Do you know
maybe this is.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Something, yeah, my other uncle Ralo. I think they fought
a little bit, you know. I I think it all
stemmed from like wanting privacy, not wanting you know, I
don't really know the details, but I know they were
frustrated at each other for a bit, but then they
were able to come together at the end, because you know,
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they loved it. They continue to love each other, so
of course they were able to find common ground there.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
That makes him so happy, Like it was probably because
he was I don't know, maybe more connected to him
than maybe his other sailings or whatever. But he's like,
I'm so happy that I left, not that he left
and with other issues, but with him in specific, Like
he's so happy that he could that he could say
I'm sorry, that he could like just mend everything that
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that they were supposed to mend, and that made him
so happy. And he just wanted you guys to know
that too, and just to kind of close it off
a little unless you have a question for him that
he's he just wants you to know that he's very well,
he's okay. He's so sorry for shocking you in such
a way and for being so stubborn. He's like, that
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was me. I don't think you would have been able
to change me. And I think maybe up here I'm
a little bit better than down here. Up there, he's
better than down here, And you guys, just he just
wanted you to know that that's great.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I'm actually I'm writing about him currently for a show.
So he's going to be part of a big show
I'm doing in New York because he was part of
a very important chapters in my life, right, So I'm
happy I was able to speak to him beforehand.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I'm so happy for that. Maybe that's why he's laughing
so much. He knows he's going to be laughing at
what at your show or something because there's a lot
of laughter.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
No, he had the most insane laugh. Like his laughter
was famous minutes.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
So crazy, that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
It was like, oh, te Siemer. He was known for
his laugh. So it doesn't surprise me that you're listening
to him laugh.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
When you said that, he says, tell her I'll be there.
I promise I'll be there, he said, So I'm sure
when you talk about him, yeah, he's gonna be there.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Oh my god. That puts a lot of pressure. That
puts a lot of pressure. I hope he likes it.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I'm so glad. Yeah, And and that's all he wanted
to say. He's like, I just came in quickly, wanted
to say this, and I'm leaving. So he says goodbye,
sends you lots of kisses, and we're back to bakies again,
which is which she's already annoyed by him interrupting. But
that is in a funny way. Okay, let me see
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something about babies. There's something this is like very specific
but at the same time very random. She's showing me
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being spoonfed a certain thing that she really loved and
somehow like I don't know if appreciated because she couldn't
eat it, but they let her eat it at the end,
or there's something that was made specially for her, but
she's like very thankful for that little thing that went
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along with her.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
That's so weird. Yeah, she.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Towards the end had a very strict diet. I guess
that's part of her treatment. And I figured out I
heard what the diet was, and so I went and
ordered her a bunch of food that followed those strict guidelines,
I guess. And it was like back it was like
not nice cheese, like she couldn't have like it was
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all of these.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Like very strict roles.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
And I know how much she liked to eat, and
like she would make a sally and she was a
good cook, and I must I'm sure that the diet
limits were restricting, so I tried to send her things
that she could eat, but then I think at the
end she will you know, she was able to eat
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whatever she wanted.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Oh, at the end she could Okay, okay, yeah, but
you were the one that kind of was helping out
with that. I think, because this message, I think this
really is for you.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I sent her a little care package. Yeah, and she
sent me a voice message back being very sweet and like.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Appreciative. And I because you know, I didn't know how
to help.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I was just sort of like, I I don't know
what to send, and so I was like, well, I
know how much she likes, you know, her kitchen in
her house and her snacks and her things, Like why
don't I send something that I know she can enjoy?
So you know, she was really touched by that, and
I remember that clearly.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
That's ah, that's amazing because like maybe it's like something
very small, like like you said, a care package or
something like that, but it went a long way with her.
She's so thankful. She's still that. Yeah, she like you
don't imagine maybe how happy it made her, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
You know, her little message because she's she was she's
very funny. I don't know if you're picking up on that.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
She was.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
She's way funnier than I am.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
She should have been the comedian, but she uh yeah,
I was.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I was shocked by how touched she was by that
moment and and me sending it is not something of
like like I wouldn't have remembered I sent it, but
what I remember was her message of things because it
was so grateful.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, she's very very sweet, Like she's very I know
you're telling me, you're that's very funny. I pick up
more sweetness than funny in many ways, just like very
uh how do you say it? Mass Well, frans Well save.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, okay, you know she similar to me, you I guess. Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
She she didn't want anyone to like suffer with her
in many ways, and so she she didn't let many
people in at the end, and she was she lived
a life kind of the opposite way she let everyone in.
That was her personality. So she closed off a bit
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because of that.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Come okay, Kia, no Karia.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
That's what I'm picking up from her, Like that sweetness
is so big and and she's like, yeah, that's exactly
she goes like, that's very motherfucker, like going like that,
you know, like that's right, that's me. That's what I was,
That's what I was trying to do. Good. Also, she
she wants to talk about like this has to do
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with like man energy. I feel like she was surrounded
more by women. Was she divorced or something like this?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
She was, Yeah, she was divorced.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
She kind of makes fun of this because she feels
like her last I don't know her last days, you know,
she was filled with female energy. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Oh my god, that's so freaking insane.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Dude, what the hell? Oh my god, I'm freaking out
right now. That's crazy. Yeah, it was almost exclusively women.
Oh yes, correct, yes.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Very much. So.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
She's so thankful for that, so thankful, like like kind
of making fun of it, like who needs men, you know,
or like who needs this man? Whatever it was X
husband whatever. He's like. I was so happy with the situation,
with how we were, with how we bonded, with how
everything was taken care of. She was very thankful to
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God and very thankful to you guys, because maybe your
mom more. I don't know, but like all this female
energy that was around her, And when I said to you.
She's like, yes, everybody, because nearer or far anyway, were
all with me, you know. And she's so thankful about
that because that's what she needed. Something I feel happened
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in her life, which I'm not too clear about, but
something about like there were so many scars left by
men in her life in general, not to saying ex husband,
but she's like, I really needed to heal that, and
I really don't think I needed another man that could
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actually heal all that ship. You know, I really needed this,
and like it's so it was so important to her
to have lived that because she left in a way
that she wasn't here, like Sifado says, let's get.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Child.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I feel see that because I didn't know I needed that,
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
That's really interesting because one of the takeaways that my
mom had from this whole my mom was sort of separate.
This is, you know, the apology from the beginning sort
of comes into this. But my mom was not allowed
at the end, but a bunch of her female friends were,
and a lot of her female friends were queer women,
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and and my mom was like, you know, she never remarried,
but the family she built with her friendships is remarkable,
Like my mom was like I've never seen a person
have so many close female friendships and like just you know,
like it was like it was like a community of
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people that just surrounded her and helped her.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
And you know, it wasn't just one person.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Two people, was a significant amount of people rallying behind
her and helping her.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Wow, that's crazy. You know why I feel she's mentioning
this because right now that you said that your mom
wasn't allowed or something something like that, maybe she wants
to This is my take on it. Okay, maybe you
can see it differently, but I feel like maybe she
needs to ease the pain for your mom. Like listen,
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maybe you weren't there, but this this energy that I
needed really healed me. And it's not about that your
mom didn't do her thing or it's not about but
it was God needed that to heal her, you know.
And it wasn't that your mom didn't do enough, or
it wasn't that your mom did the wrong things. It
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was more about whatever whatever Belkis needed, whatever she needed,
she got it and she shed. But it doesn't make
that U Mamalan needs to.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I think it's like my thing, my mom wanted to
cons Imitia. I think couldn't have her older sister, you know,
I think it was supposed to be in reverse, okay,
because she's a lot younger, and so I think it
was like I always felt that she just didn't want
to make a big deal and like hurt people more.
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That's that's what I because, because everyone loved each other.
So it was just like I think it was almost
like Irish. She wanted an Irish goodbye in a way.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
How does that work? What's in Irish goodbye?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
It's when you leave a party without saying bye to everyone.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Oh my god, I wish I was Irish. Oh my god,
like that for me the ideal situation. And every single
time I hate saying goodbye at a party, I can't
stand it.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
There's a there's a there's a study that came out
that people that Irish goodbye saved like two years of
their life because it's like God, because you spend so
much time like saying bye, and you know, is that
health or not? Anyway, So I think part of it
is my own wanted to Irish goodbye it a little
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bit and and not make it as painful.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
That's what I always felt yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Just tell your mom that she left, that Belky's left. Okay,
you know she left happy. Do you have any questions?
Do you want to ask her?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, I have a question for her.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I don't know if she can answer this, but I
have an issue with someone in the family, and I
want to know if I need to fix it or
or not.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Okay, no worries. Okay, maybe maybe right now, I'll tell
you the solution, but first, she tells me, I just
want to make sure that we're talking about the same person.
She goes she right now, in her eyes, she has
no future to look forward to. She feels despaired, but
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she doesn't show it, and she's kind of asking for
a little bit of grace or a little bit of
gentleness towards her because I think she's fighting she's fighting
a battle that no one knows about. Or maybe maybe
you know, but I don't know if you know that
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she's very She's like, she's really going through it right
now in terms of law, like seeing into the future
or knowing what's going to happen with her in the future.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Does this make.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Sense at all to you?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You know, I'm not I'm not sure because I I
have lost contact with this person. But it wouldn't surprise
me if that that's the case. So that makes sense.
You know that they're going through their own struggle at
the moment.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, and I think like I feel like it's it's
more about you being gentle or you being mass prudent.
Part taste is simply ya mada no mass. And she
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kind of makes it feel like it doesn't have to
be a call about fixing things. It's it's more of
a call like, hey, thinking about you spoke to a
psychic maybe either media or spoke to my aunt and
told me this. I feel like Tobaki's this is important.
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I feel like it's close to her heart. I don't
know why, but she doesn't tell me, and that's fine,
but she knows that. It's like when they're up there,
it's really funny because it's like from up there, imagine
how our problems seem to them, like nothing you see
what I'm saying, like.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Oh, please just say you're sorry or whatever.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
You know, like that's how they think. So don't think
like this is an order or don't think like just
because she sees the way she sees things from up
there so easy that they're not hard down here, but
it's more about just like you being a better person
or not being not being a better person, being the
(29:58):
bigger person, and just I think it's like a phone
call with soft words, with loving words and hang up.
That's all and everything else will fall into place when
it has to. But it's but it doesn't mean that
you have to call and fix it. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
They are a big connection to.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
My aunt, and I feel like my relationship with my
aunt is being compromised because I don't have a close
relationship with this person. But you know, I'm glad that
she's not. I just hope my relationship with my aunt
is still the same in many ways.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Like that's what I hope.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Just wanted to say something really quick, showing me your career.
She's this Sando calls us this thing. Those quartosfit in
this like a set, like a TV set, Like here's
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the bedroom and here's the cafeteria, let's say, but they're
divided by a wall, you know, like a normal TV
show set. It then saying yea, listen, you can do
both scenarios and bo and and it's gonna do good.
So I don't know gistosa if you're contemplating something like
(31:42):
very different one from the other, but they show him
like one next to the other, and you can jump,
like you can like go through the wall and do this,
and then go through the wall and do that, and
you're gonna be fine. To stop being such a scaredy cat.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Oh my god, that's crazy. Okay, Yeah, well, like you know,
I I I think this is. This doesn't surprise me
from her. I you know, I think this is and
this is just my interpretation, but I can guess. But
I have been considering, like, you know, I'm a career woman,
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but like what is it like to have a family,
I mean, you know, and to be a mom.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Which she is.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
She was a mom, Like that was like I think
the her biggest She was just so good at it.
And it's interesting that this person that loved being a
mom so much. You know, my biggest fear is I
love my career. Right, But I don't know if I
can live in these two spaces. I just don't see
them being related to each other. But it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, I believe me. Yeah, yeah, so you know I.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Think her telling me like you can do both in
the sense that like the happiness in both right.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I can imagine her saying that to me.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Okay, Johanna, do you have any last questions that you
would like to ask before we say goodbye to Wilkis?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Just uh just let her know that, uh, that I
miss dancing with her and that, uh, we'll vibe one
day together.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I'm sure we're gonna vibe again. You know this isn't over,
There's no way.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Thank you so much, Johanna, la Mexicano.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Ye
Wow. Okay, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Wow Okay, yes, that is from what I understand accurate.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Welcome to ghost therapy, where it's not just about connecting
with deceased loved ones, it's about learning through them and
their new perspective. Hey, guys, welcome to ghost Therapy. I'm
Paula Prosa. Thank you for tuning back in. This has
been such a journey for us at ghost Therapy. We're
(00:36):
having so much fun, We're learning so much and we
hope that, like the intention of the show is that
this serves us therapy for you as it is for
our guests. This time around, we have comedian Joanna Hassman.
She's hilarious. She was such an amazing guest. She wanted
to talk to her aunt. She had a close relationship.
(00:58):
But a lot of people came over uninvited. New people
came in and a lot of her more titos, which
was inspiring because I guess she's someone that really, you know,
impacted her a lot of lives. So a couple of
people visited besides the ant and we even, oh my gosh,
(01:21):
this is crazy. We figured out some stuff about some people.
I don't want to give too much away, but some
people's deaths that we didn't know about, we didn't know
how they came about, and they came in and they
helped us out. They helped Joanna out with the reasons
why and how it happened. And it was amazing because
(01:43):
I think she really needed to know, and not even her,
but her family too. So I hope her family listens today.
And you, guys, this is such an interesting story. I
really think you're going to enjoy it. So here is
Joanna Hausman, great median, so enjoyable. This is ghost therapy.
(02:18):
I'm super happy to have another episode with a wonderful,
wonderful woman. And she's Venezuelan and well American, North American, right,
Venezuelan and North American. And I'm gonna say venez Venezuela,
but given isuel and I hate.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It sounds weird when I can't do it. I can't
say correctas Venezuela.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Gotta go Venezuela, exactly, Gotta go Venezuela.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Joanna Housman, thank you so much for me.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I've never done anything like this in my entire life.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Oh then this is gonna be very fun watching you
be very nervous.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I'm already nervous.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I'm already this is gonna be fun, and I'm just
so happy that. Well, you're a comedian, you're when you sta,
you're a writer, you're a television writer. You're also an actress.
I love comedy. I love comedy from Venezuela, and I
just hope that this reading you bring forth your comedic intuition,
(03:20):
because this is not gonna be about crying. This is
not gonna be about anything but having fun, having peace.
And if you think something's funny, by all means, because
when they're so happy up there, we need to be
happy down here. Okay, you know, so you're gonna endure it,
So feel free to be funny if you feel.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Like, Okay, no perr. I can guarantee anxiousness. That is
something I will guarantee.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, that's something funny. Sometimes before I take my pill,
it's funny. I mean, after I take my pill, anxiety
is funny to me, not before. Okay, So let's start.
Would you give me the name of the person that
we want to contact in your relationship to that the.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Person I want to contact this belky, she was my aunt.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Just gonna do a quick, quick parent silence, and I'll
be right back.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Okay, okay, great, okay.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Okay, Sally. So it doesn't have to be exactly about
you or I don't know if it is, but she
mentioned something about she was always against something or always
kind of putting herself in the way of things happening.
Does that make sense. I don't know if it's with
you or with your mom. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Oh wow. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
And I don't know if it was happened things happening
for her, but I feel more if it's like for
things happening for other people, like you would kind of
think it was something done in a very like premeditatated
way or something. But she's kind of trying to explain,
like she's going like, oh, like, I can't believe she
(05:08):
was that way.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, there was.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I guess there was some a bit of conflict when
it came to her treatment and she sort of I
think from what I understand, my mom and her disagreed
in what treatment to do, and I think she decided
for her own self to do something I think more
(05:36):
holistic or natural, and my mom was against that, and
I think there was some friction there.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Thank you for sharing that because I think she's like
like saying, like, oh, sorry, you know what I mean,
Like it wasn't my intention. It sounded like it was,
but it was it was just like her being She's
saying like it was like her being stupid, you know,
like her being just like not wanting to comply. But
(06:05):
she mentions kind of like being angry, you know, And
she mentions kind of like she was so angry that
she was kind of reluctant of being told what to do.
And so says, Bara Yerrak, it's you know, it's me.
It's me that I want to do. And she wants
to apologize for that, and not apologize because maybe she
(06:27):
would have been alive or not. It's not about that.
It's about having given a hard time, you see what
I'm saying. And that's what she. I think usually when
it's like the first thing they say, it's because that's
the most important thing to them, you know, like they
really might want to make it right. So I guess
this message, I really think it's for your mom more
than anything else. Definitely, Yeah, just to tell her that
(06:51):
sorry for getting in the way and for not listening
and for just being she mention she mentions the word
stupid again, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
It's not that is that is not surprising. She was
had a very Venezuelaan sense of humor. And I can't
imagine her saying, topia.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Please tell your mom. Like she's very thankful, you know,
she she knows that everything was done for her to
be well, it was just her and she's very like,
kind of disappointed in herself, and she's very thankful that
that she put up with her.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Basically, Okay, that's good to know.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Good to know. Moving on, just really quick before I continue.
Is there somebody that died? I believe it's a it's
a man. It's just something. I feel like he's coming in.
He's coming very strong, and I feel like it's something
(07:55):
that he has something to do with not wanting to
narocon Nell. Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, the same year my aunt passed. Yeah, I'm curious
if it's this person. My uncle Antonio also passed. I
think they passed six months apart.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
And who is this too?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
H two belkies her brother?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Ah. Okay, now does this mean because he tratta pass
in como na el or this.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
It's seven amente el tomo elisis mass secretive in Connos
if we to owners or pressa is Medo Familion, Poco
(09:02):
and suprocessor. So it was very traumatic for the family
to go through these two deaths, and shockingly and quickly
cooel it felt taboo to talk about because it felt
like he didn't want us to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Right exactly, and I feel it, And it's the same
way he's he's very like, he's very sorry, you know,
he thinks that there's something about it. He's not letting
me know why he died, but he's very ashamed that
the reason for the taboo is, he explains, is that
(09:41):
he's very ashamed because I guess he wasn't doing something right.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That kind of yeah, wow, okay, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
It's wow.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Okay, okay girl yo wan family therapy. Wow okay. Yes,
that is from what I understand accurate. I believe that
he was unfairly unfairly in prison in Venezuela, and I
(10:19):
believe he was under house arrest. And he he was
a very funny and like a.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
He had like a ranch like he you know, he.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
He's a man of the and he would like leave
during the times he was supposed to be at home.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
He would like leave.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Apparently he just didn't care, and then that caused him
to go into more serious prison. He was, you know,
in Venezuela, a lot of people go to prison for
things that aren't necessarily prison worthy because of the you know,
the government we have right now, and so that was
definitely the case, and he sort of did not follow
(11:00):
the rules, refused to take a plea bargain because he
was a very you know, you know, a very he
believed in himself and he didn't want to accept a lie.
So so, yeah, and that's a big, from what I understand,
a big fight that occurred within the siblings. It's just like, hey,
(11:21):
accept it, just just take the plea bargain, and he's like, no,
I refuse to.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Wow, that's crazy. He's so like when when you're saying that,
he's he's going like this, like he's nodding, like yeah,
that's what, Like it was not good. It was for him.
He's laughing and he's saying something about, you know, like,
(11:49):
you know, standing up for what I felt or for
what I He doesn't tell me how he died or anything,
but it was just like, listen, it was shame.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
It was.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I'm sorry, it's just he's laughing so much because he's
laughing at himself. You see what I'm saying, like saying,
that's how that's how crazy I was. That I would
rather that happened to me than just being a serious
adult and doing what I had to do. You see
what I'm saying. Like he's like, I wasn't a normal person.
(12:23):
He said, I was not normal at all, And I'm
so sorry. He says, like, you know what, I feel
like your mom should be here today because like like
I feel like this is for your mom too, you know,
for you too, but this is like for your mom,
Like I'm so sorry for being so stupid. He's like
I did, and he just wants to let you know
(12:44):
really quick that he did talk to somebody. I believe
it was another man that he I think he was
able to say, I'm sorry for something. Do you know
maybe this is.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Something, yeah, my other uncle Ralo. I think they fought
a little bit, you know. I I think it all
stemmed from like wanting privacy, not wanting you know, I
don't really know the details, but I know they were
frustrated at each other for a bit, but then they
were able to come together at the end, because you know,
(13:19):
they loved it. They continue to love each other, so
of course they were able to find common ground there.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
That makes him so happy, Like it was probably because
he was I don't know, maybe more connected to him
than maybe his other sailings or whatever. But he's like,
I'm so happy that I left, not that he left
and with other issues, but with him in specific, Like
he's so happy that he could that he could say
I'm sorry, that he could like just mend everything that
(13:49):
that they were supposed to mend, and that made him
so happy. And he just wanted you guys to know
that too, and just to kind of close it off
a little unless you have a question for him that
he's he just wants you to know that he's very well,
he's okay. He's so sorry for shocking you in such
a way and for being so stubborn. He's like, that
(14:11):
was me. I don't think you would have been able
to change me. And I think maybe up here I'm
a little bit better than down here. Up there, he's
better than down here, And you guys, just he just
wanted you to know that that's great.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I'm actually I'm writing about him currently for a show.
So he's going to be part of a big show
I'm doing in New York because he was part of
a very important chapters in my life, right, So I'm
happy I was able to speak to him beforehand.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I'm so happy for that. Maybe that's why he's laughing
so much. He knows he's going to be laughing at
what at your show or something because there's a lot
of laughter.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
No, he had the most insane laugh. Like his laughter
was famous minutes.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
So crazy, that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
It was like, oh, te Siemer. He was known for
his laugh. So it doesn't surprise me that you're listening
to him laugh.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
When you said that, he says, tell her I'll be there.
I promise I'll be there, he said, So I'm sure
when you talk about him, yeah, he's gonna be there.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Oh my god. That puts a lot of pressure. That
puts a lot of pressure. I hope he likes it.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I'm so glad. Yeah, And and that's all he wanted
to say. He's like, I just came in quickly, wanted
to say this, and I'm leaving. So he says goodbye,
sends you lots of kisses, and we're back to bakies again,
which is which she's already annoyed by him interrupting. But
that is in a funny way. Okay, let me see
(15:49):
something about babies. There's something this is like very specific
but at the same time very random. She's showing me
(16:14):
being spoonfed a certain thing that she really loved and
somehow like I don't know if appreciated because she couldn't
eat it, but they let her eat it at the end,
or there's something that was made specially for her, but
she's like very thankful for that little thing that went
(16:36):
along with her.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
That's so weird. Yeah, she.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Towards the end had a very strict diet. I guess
that's part of her treatment. And I figured out I
heard what the diet was, and so I went and
ordered her a bunch of food that followed those strict guidelines,
I guess. And it was like back it was like
not nice cheese, like she couldn't have like it was
(17:05):
all of these.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Like very strict roles.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
And I know how much she liked to eat, and
like she would make a sally and she was a
good cook, and I must I'm sure that the diet
limits were restricting, so I tried to send her things
that she could eat, but then I think at the
end she will you know, she was able to eat
(17:29):
whatever she wanted.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Oh, at the end she could Okay, okay, yeah, but
you were the one that kind of was helping out
with that. I think, because this message, I think this
really is for you.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I sent her a little care package. Yeah, and she
sent me a voice message back being very sweet and like.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Appreciative. And I because you know, I didn't know how
to help.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I was just sort of like, I I don't know
what to send, and so I was like, well, I
know how much she likes, you know, her kitchen in
her house and her snacks and her things, Like why
don't I send something that I know she can enjoy?
So you know, she was really touched by that, and
I remember that clearly.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
That's ah, that's amazing because like maybe it's like something
very small, like like you said, a care package or
something like that, but it went a long way with her.
She's so thankful. She's still that. Yeah, she like you
don't imagine maybe how happy it made her, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
You know, her little message because she's she was she's
very funny. I don't know if you're picking up on that.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
She was.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
She's way funnier than I am.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
She should have been the comedian, but she uh yeah,
I was.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I was shocked by how touched she was by that
moment and and me sending it is not something of
like like I wouldn't have remembered I sent it, but
what I remember was her message of things because it
was so grateful.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, she's very very sweet, Like she's very I know
you're telling me, you're that's very funny. I pick up
more sweetness than funny in many ways, just like very
uh how do you say it? Mass Well, frans Well save.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, okay, you know she similar to me, you I guess. Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
She she didn't want anyone to like suffer with her
in many ways, and so she she didn't let many
people in at the end, and she was she lived
a life kind of the opposite way she let everyone in.
That was her personality. So she closed off a bit
(19:58):
because of that.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Come okay, Kia, no Karia.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
That's what I'm picking up from her, Like that sweetness
is so big and and she's like, yeah, that's exactly
she goes like, that's very motherfucker, like going like that,
you know, like that's right, that's me. That's what I was,
That's what I was trying to do. Good. Also, she
she wants to talk about like this has to do
(20:35):
with like man energy. I feel like she was surrounded
more by women. Was she divorced or something like this?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
She was, Yeah, she was divorced.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
She kind of makes fun of this because she feels
like her last I don't know her last days, you know,
she was filled with female energy. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Oh my god, that's so freaking insane.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Dude, what the hell? Oh my god, I'm freaking out
right now. That's crazy. Yeah, it was almost exclusively women.
Oh yes, correct, yes.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Very much. So.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
She's so thankful for that, so thankful, like like kind
of making fun of it, like who needs men, you know,
or like who needs this man? Whatever it was X
husband whatever. He's like. I was so happy with the situation,
with how we were, with how we bonded, with how
everything was taken care of. She was very thankful to
(21:45):
God and very thankful to you guys, because maybe your
mom more. I don't know, but like all this female
energy that was around her, And when I said to you.
She's like, yes, everybody, because nearer or far anyway, were
all with me, you know. And she's so thankful about
that because that's what she needed. Something I feel happened
(22:07):
in her life, which I'm not too clear about, but
something about like there were so many scars left by
men in her life in general, not to saying ex husband,
but she's like, I really needed to heal that, and
I really don't think I needed another man that could
(22:27):
actually heal all that ship. You know, I really needed this,
and like it's so it was so important to her
to have lived that because she left in a way
that she wasn't here, like Sifado says, let's get.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Child.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I feel see that because I didn't know I needed that,
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
That's really interesting because one of the takeaways that my
mom had from this whole my mom was sort of separate.
This is, you know, the apology from the beginning sort
of comes into this. But my mom was not allowed
at the end, but a bunch of her female friends were,
and a lot of her female friends were queer women,
(23:31):
and and my mom was like, you know, she never remarried,
but the family she built with her friendships is remarkable,
Like my mom was like I've never seen a person
have so many close female friendships and like just you know,
like it was like it was like a community of
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people that just surrounded her and helped her.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
And you know, it wasn't just one person.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Two people, was a significant amount of people rallying behind
her and helping her.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Wow, that's crazy. You know why I feel she's mentioning
this because right now that you said that your mom
wasn't allowed or something something like that, maybe she wants
to This is my take on it. Okay, maybe you
can see it differently, but I feel like maybe she
needs to ease the pain for your mom. Like listen,
(24:26):
maybe you weren't there, but this this energy that I
needed really healed me. And it's not about that your
mom didn't do her thing or it's not about but
it was God needed that to heal her, you know.
And it wasn't that your mom didn't do enough, or
it wasn't that your mom did the wrong things. It
(24:47):
was more about whatever whatever Belkis needed, whatever she needed,
she got it and she shed. But it doesn't make
that U Mamalan needs to.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I think it's like my thing, my mom wanted to
cons Imitia. I think couldn't have her older sister, you know,
I think it was supposed to be in reverse, okay,
because she's a lot younger, and so I think it
was like I always felt that she just didn't want
to make a big deal and like hurt people more.
(25:39):
That's that's what I because, because everyone loved each other.
So it was just like I think it was almost
like Irish. She wanted an Irish goodbye in a way.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
How does that work? What's in Irish goodbye?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
It's when you leave a party without saying bye to everyone.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Oh my god, I wish I was Irish. Oh my god,
like that for me the ideal situation. And every single
time I hate saying goodbye at a party, I can't
stand it.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
There's a there's a there's a study that came out
that people that Irish goodbye saved like two years of
their life because it's like God, because you spend so
much time like saying bye, and you know, is that
health or not? Anyway, So I think part of it
is my own wanted to Irish goodbye it a little
(26:24):
bit and and not make it as painful.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
That's what I always felt yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Just tell your mom that she left, that Belky's left. Okay,
you know she left happy. Do you have any questions?
Do you want to ask her?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, I have a question for her.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I don't know if she can answer this, but I
have an issue with someone in the family, and I
want to know if I need to fix it or
or not.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Okay, no worries. Okay, maybe maybe right now, I'll tell
you the solution, but first, she tells me, I just
want to make sure that we're talking about the same person.
She goes she right now, in her eyes, she has
no future to look forward to. She feels despaired, but
(27:22):
she doesn't show it, and she's kind of asking for
a little bit of grace or a little bit of
gentleness towards her because I think she's fighting she's fighting
a battle that no one knows about. Or maybe maybe
you know, but I don't know if you know that
(27:44):
she's very She's like, she's really going through it right
now in terms of law, like seeing into the future
or knowing what's going to happen with her in the future.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Does this make.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Sense at all to you?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You know, I'm not I'm not sure because I I
have lost contact with this person. But it wouldn't surprise
me if that that's the case. So that makes sense.
You know that they're going through their own struggle at
the moment.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, and I think like I feel like it's it's
more about you being gentle or you being mass prudent.
Part taste is simply ya mada no mass. And she
(28:53):
kind of makes it feel like it doesn't have to
be a call about fixing things. It's it's more of
a call like, hey, thinking about you spoke to a
psychic maybe either media or spoke to my aunt and
told me this. I feel like Tobaki's this is important.
(29:14):
I feel like it's close to her heart. I don't
know why, but she doesn't tell me, and that's fine,
but she knows that. It's like when they're up there,
it's really funny because it's like from up there, imagine
how our problems seem to them, like nothing you see
what I'm saying, like.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Oh, please just say you're sorry or whatever.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
You know, like that's how they think. So don't think
like this is an order or don't think like just
because she sees the way she sees things from up
there so easy that they're not hard down here, but
it's more about just like you being a better person
or not being not being a better person, being the
(29:58):
bigger person, and just I think it's like a phone
call with soft words, with loving words and hang up.
That's all and everything else will fall into place when
it has to. But it's but it doesn't mean that
you have to call and fix it. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
They are a big connection to.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
My aunt, and I feel like my relationship with my
aunt is being compromised because I don't have a close
relationship with this person. But you know, I'm glad that
she's not. I just hope my relationship with my aunt
is still the same in many ways.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Like that's what I hope.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Just wanted to say something really quick, showing me your career.
She's this Sando calls us this thing. Those quartosfit in
this like a set, like a TV set, Like here's
(31:18):
the bedroom and here's the cafeteria, let's say, but they're
divided by a wall, you know, like a normal TV
show set. It then saying yea, listen, you can do
both scenarios and bo and and it's gonna do good.
So I don't know gistosa if you're contemplating something like
(31:42):
very different one from the other, but they show him
like one next to the other, and you can jump,
like you can like go through the wall and do this,
and then go through the wall and do that, and
you're gonna be fine. To stop being such a scaredy cat.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Oh my god, that's crazy. Okay, Yeah, well, like you know,
I I I think this is. This doesn't surprise me
from her. I you know, I think this is and
this is just my interpretation, but I can guess. But
I have been considering, like, you know, I'm a career woman,
(32:17):
but like what is it like to have a family,
I mean, you know, and to be a mom.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Which she is.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
She was a mom, Like that was like I think
the her biggest She was just so good at it.
And it's interesting that this person that loved being a
mom so much. You know, my biggest fear is I
love my career. Right, But I don't know if I
can live in these two spaces. I just don't see
them being related to each other. But it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, I believe me. Yeah, yeah, so you know I.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Think her telling me like you can do both in
the sense that like the happiness in both right.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I can imagine her saying that to me.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Okay, Johanna, do you have any last questions that you
would like to ask before we say goodbye to Wilkis?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Just uh just let her know that, uh, that I
miss dancing with her and that, uh, we'll vibe one
day together.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I'm sure we're gonna vibe again. You know this isn't over,
There's no way.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Thank you so much, Johanna, la Mexicano.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Ye
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