November 17, 2025 • 60 mins
Roz quivers with joy as the talented comedians EJ Marcus and Ru Anderson arrive with stories of the paranormal persuasion! It’s a Ghosted! tea for three as they discuss Ru’s Wiccan upbringing, EJ and Ru’s very haunted first apartment in Los Angeles, and EJ’s cat ghost?! PLUS, Roz serves another round of clips from the ICONIC daytime television psychic medium, Sylvia Browne.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
What's that ad? It's spooky joky. I'm really sure it's dead.
It's coming this way. Wait a minute, help, I'm ghosted.
I nandas plle. Hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome
(00:31):
to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk
to people that I like about the paranormal. My friends
e J. Marcus and Rue Anderson are on the show,
and they are two comedians in a relationship with each other,
and they're just so fun to talk to. So we'll
(00:53):
get to that in a moment, but before we do,
let me read you a ghost story.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Worry.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
This one came from a listener named Morgan, who writes,
my grandma died in twenty twenty, but we kept her
house in the family as it is sentimental and it
is in the woods of West Virginia, so we love
to hide out there for holidays. In twenty twenty three,
(01:20):
my twin sister, my mom, and I were driving from
Iowa to West Virginia for spring break. We didn't get
to the house until two am, and there was a
huge storm happening that caused the power to go out.
There's also no cell service because it's in the middle
of nowhere, Appalachia. So my mom goes upstairs to sleep,
(01:44):
and my sister and I are laying on the two
couches in the living room and we start hearing two
female voices talking upstairs. This is super weird because it
was only my mom up there and there was no
one else she could have been talking to. So I
start freaking out because we knew the house was haunted,
(02:05):
but I had never heard anything weird before. So the
two ladies kept chatting. I'm terrified, and I try to
talk to my sister and this bitch is passed out
as if there isn't an active haunting occurring, So I'm like, whatever,
this is fine. Then I hear my mom walk down
the stairs. Each step is so creaky because the house
(02:28):
is old, so i'd literally hear her walk on each step.
I look over to the bottom of the stairs. Nobody
is there. Oh hell no. Throughout the night, I heard
someone walk down the stairs like five more times, and
each time I looked, there was nobody there. And then
(02:48):
in the kitchen, my dead grandma has this thing that
announces the temperature. It's supposed to go off at like
seven am and seven pm. Well, at this point, It's
around three or three thirty am, and it announced the
temperature three times in a row. I was so scared
(03:09):
and I stayed up until the sun came up. In
the morning. My sister and I asked my mom about
the voices, and she said she was not talking to
anyone and didn't hear anyone. They both slept soundly while
I experienced ghostly happenings all night. Eek okay Morgan, yeah
(03:30):
that was your dead grandma. Listen. I have experienced with
grandma ghosts myself, and you know, even if it's your
loving grandma, it could still be creepy if it's three am.
I'm sorry, but love my grandma's I've had two grandmas
(03:50):
and a step grandma. They're all passed. If they decide
to visit me at three am, I'll be lighting a
bundle of all kinds of things. I'll be getting the
holy water out. I'm sorry. Sorry, ladies, love you to death, literally,
however you gotta go. Thanks for sharing that. Hey, you know,
(04:13):
speaking of me with ghosts, I do have my YouTube
show called Roz Hernandez the Haunted Doll on YouTube. You
can go watch that because I have posted multiple episodes
of new ghost Hunts of mine, and I'm very proud
of them, So go give them a watch, and also
watch the interviews of this podcast on exactly Whight's YouTube page.
(04:37):
We usually drop them like a week later, so that
means that a lot of the previous weeks that were
recorded in studio, not the zoom ones, but the in
studio episodes. There's tons of them that are up on
YouTube right now, so go watch them. Okay, here we go.
It's my conversation with EJ and Rue and with the show.
(05:10):
Oh my god, e J and Rue are here?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yay?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
A real life couple.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yes, all the more ghostly.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah for you, my dear.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
But also you two are younger.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I mean yeah, Are you sure about that?
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Your gen Z are actually firmly cussed, your cuss. We're
in nineteen ninety six, which makes you cuss.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I am technically gen Z.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Here's what I will say, not to embarrass your Rue,
but Rue came in this room and said, oh my gosh, Dracula,
which is to our Liberachi doll.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Well, he's an a Dracula costume, but.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
You know what he is. He is very much in
a Dracula costume.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
But he's ghostly white, he's pale.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, so I'll I completely I love it. Now. That's
always going to be Dracula for me. But how is
everybody doing?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Really good?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
It's amazing weather today.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
It's raining. I'm very self conscious of my glasses because
I hate glasses in the rain. They fog up well
and they just get red and then all of a
sudden it's revealed. Okay, my glasses are disgusting. I'm covered
in oil everywhere. I one time, I'll never forget it.
One day in history my glasses were not dirty. It
(06:31):
was a great day. It was to say I bought them.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, oh, and it was everything was different.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Every I've been wearing glasses for twenty years. They've always
been disgusting.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Were you happy when you like needed to get glasses?
Were you secretly like, oh yay.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
No, you were saying you don't need glasses.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
He does, he does need I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I literally went to the root. No, because I went
to the eye don't. I went to look at us
fighting on your podcast. I went to the eye doctor
two weeks, like a month ago whatever, and they said
my vision was basically twenty twenty, very close, basically very
close to twenty twenty. I said to that the eye
(07:17):
doctors telling me you don't need glasses right now.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Just so you know, twenty twenty was the worst year
in all of our life. So maybe that's what he
was referring to. Right, It's like that, you're basically twenty twenty.
You remember that? Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
She yeah, the eye doctor.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I forget. I forget sometimes that women can be doctors.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
She was a bad ass.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I'm learning. Okay, we have to talk about ghosts though. Okay,
so EJ, you were on once. I was. I was
trying to shall be.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Years ago, years and years ago. I was trying to
remember that because I think maybe what I talked about
with the time I did a Ouiji board and my
cat started running around the room crazy. Oh does that
sound familiar?
Speaker 5 (08:07):
That could be, but it's probably ultimately the sound of
the scraping of the board got the cat riled up
rather than any ghost.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Okay. I feel sorry, ladies. Sorry to that's like crazy
energy to be bringing on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, not on this.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Pod, But I do believe in ghost with evidence, it
doesn't seem like it.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Okay, Well, we want to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, if you're so ghost Yeah, experts.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Now, route didn't you tell me before that you grew
up Wickan or did I make that up?
Speaker 5 (08:33):
I did grow up Wickan, So I grew up very
much as a believer in the spiritual realm, the metaphysical
things like that.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Okay, honestly done this podcast since early radio days. I
don't think we've ever had anyone that grew up Wickan.
I know.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
I think it's because it's like relatively new age. I
think it's probably un for people to have been raised
in the tradition.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Because I feel like most of your mom's wicked friends
are closer to our age.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
My mom has a lot of younger wicked friends, but
she also has a lot of older wicked friends. But
it's usually something people find like, from my observation, it's
like a reaction to a sort of Christian upbringing and
like wanting to like sort of have the community, like
a religious community outside of like all the ways Christianity
(09:27):
can be educated and oppressive.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Not always.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, we definitely have a listenership of witches of all ages.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Wow, Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
I actually was wondering if my mom listened to this
podcast because like you're the exact kind of person she
would love to listen to on a podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You know, when you said that she knows older witches,
that is one of my demographics. Hmmm, I mean older witches.
Dare I say like an elderly witch, like a seventy
eighty year old witch.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Is I've never done a comedy show without at least
one in the audience that rocks. Yeah, there's always at
least one older witch that will come to the show.
And then if I do a meet and great, she's like,
eat this apple, but like as a fan because she
(10:26):
brought me an apple, or like, no, they do. They
do bring me spells and stuff. Sometimes they'll give me
a charm or.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It's awesome, Yeah, a little bundle.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Older witches love me.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
So my mom made us little bundles to put in
our car that we have not done yet. Yes, in
our cars they're charm bags with all sorts of numerology
and things of that nature. But I will say this
is that a lot of people are fake witches. Like
a lot of people are sort of like broadly or no,
I wouldn't say fake, but I will say like people
(11:00):
are sort of spiritual only like crystals and sort of la. Yeah,
the mishmash of sort of like unspecified spirituality. But like
the tradition I grew up in is like Gardenerian traditional witchcraft.
It's like British Wicca. There's like books. It's like very books. No,
there's like books and like a tradition and a path
(11:21):
laid out, like it's not just random stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, No, I get that. I've I've dabbled, I've done
my research because I've had my moments where I'm like
is Wick up for me? But then I'm kind of
I am one of these people that's kind of like, well,
I don't want to take this from there, from there
put it all together. But I understand. So you were
raised in that, dude, were you doing like spells as
(11:44):
a kid?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Like and when I was like young, every night before
going to bed, my mom would cast the circle in
my room. She'd be like guardians of the Watchtower to
the north, like and like all the cardinal directions and
you'd sort of cast a circle and like that was
like a sort of spiritual fortification of safety.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
It was very comforting as a kid.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
You were like that that felt important to you to happen.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
It's very comforting.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
So are you still a practitioner?
Speaker 5 (12:12):
No, I'm not, mostly because I'm like I and this
is something I'm trying to change about myself. But I'm
not a great team player or joiner, and like I'm
very grumpy a lot, and I get turned off from
communities really easily.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, you don't want to be the grumpy one of
the coven.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
No, you don't. You don't.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Part of being of like a part of the community
like that is you do accept the people that are
annoying or the things that you don't necessarily to do.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
That is part of being in community. It really is
really trying to we need community.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Wait, this actually reminds me. We talk a lot about
ghost stuff, spooky, spooky, scariest, biggest fear I've ever had
in my life going to a restaurant in public talking
shit about someone next table. Oh and there at the
next US last week and that happened to us. We
(13:06):
were at full volume talking ship for at least ten
minutes about somebody, group of people, everyone contributing something with
one person that didn't know the person. So we were
like really explaining who this.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Person was describing their physical appearance.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Specific but let's just say so unique accout.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I was like, don't do we went through this, but
I all of a sudden looked over our one friend's
head and I was like, I turned to Ruin. I'm like,
is that the person?
Speaker 6 (13:41):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
And you kid for me it was And then we.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Heard what ten ft away? It was crazy?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, that was scary.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Who's funny?
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Well?
Speaker 5 (13:51):
And then the next day do we have the same manager?
The next day I texted Adam to tell him the
story and he was like, that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
I'm literally on a zoom with ras right now.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Oh yeah, I told I told them too. Okay I
need ghost stories, okay, or they're going to cancel this podcast. Okay,
so you better come up with something.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Okay, Okay, well what we what did? This is just
a small one, but we are having an issue with
the lamps in our house where it does feel like
in certain moments, I and this is maybe me being
but I am a believer of these things, but like
my bedside table lamp turns off and on in a
(14:36):
way that does feel like it's linked to like energetically,
Like if I'm like.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
You come stomping into the room.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Well it's not always stomping. Comes stomping in, not always stomping.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
The wickan skeptic, Hey, but I'm saying that's energy.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
But for me, I'm like, I don't really stomp as
much as Rue does. Like I'm a little bit lighter
on my seat.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Well you're one hundred and.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Thirty two hundred, so yeah, you don't stop as hard
as me.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I should hope.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
But anyway, so when I'm like, if I'm like rushing
around the house or I'm like stressed, I do feel
like the lamp is turning on in a random way. Yeah,
so that's been something that we've been noticing.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
Well.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Also, our first apartment was haunted.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Oh my god, I have an amazing ghost story the Nutcracker.
Oh my god, Ross, this is actually terrifying. This will
chill you to your bones. Do we have a moment
for a story? No, Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Our first apartment in LA was disgusting.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
There was a lot of stuff going on. It was
like between Ktown.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
And Silver Lay.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
It was like that sort of zone, which, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And it was the kind of thing where like we
had just moved here, we didn't have jobs, we had
like kind of bad credit, you know whatever, and we
were like really scared we were never going to get
approved for an apartment anywhere.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
And so this because we kept on getting denied from
places as people were like you have no income, no
credit to know, why would you.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, And so this apartment we failed on Craigslist.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Craigslist for sure.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Like blurry photos, like all lowercase call like call phone number.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
We show up there, like they just like give us
like the lock box coach, like let ourselves in. Yeah,
we go in fully furnished weird.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Yeah, but furnished in like a weird way, like really
maybe it was an airbnb.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
It looked very.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Strange, but it was.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
It looked like someone went to Salvation Army like one
day and was like, all right, well we have everything.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
It's like okay, yeah, technically that's.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Like a couch and a chair, yeah, painting of a daisy.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, but it was weird vibes printed on. Yeah, Like
it felt like no one.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Had been in there for like a really long time.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
We're like, okay, but we go in the bathroom. In
the toilet is.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Shit, okay.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, they wanted to show you that it worked. Yeah,
that's where you can go.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Fully, but it like just that goes to show. So anyway, needless,
they obviously were like perfect, it's ours.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Like we're like.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Like she was like no credit check needed, Yeah, when
can you move in?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
We're like twenty four years old, Like, I mean, this
is a dream come true. And so we were calling
all our friends.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Guys, we got an amazing apartment.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
It's amazing and big.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
It was big, and it was in our budget and
we were like great, and things just kind of started
happening with it. A lot of which, you know, we
did kind of come to find out that I think
previous to being apartments, that building had been a place
where people came.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
To buy drugs, like resided there maybe if.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
They were having a margin.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Amphetamine was specifically the accusation that.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Was leveraged by the upstairs neighbor.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, so I think it was one of those things
where like, due to many reasons, people had been disfranchised
and there, you know, like it was like a lot
of stuff being so woke about it, but it was
like it was a flop house. It was yeah, it.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Was flat house, and well there would always be like
like weird sounds blah blah blah, like we'd hear like
scraping under the floor, come to find out that someone
had been living in the crawl space right underneath it.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
What's that called frogging?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Frogging? Frogging, terrifying frogger.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
And wait, the way that ultimately some of this information
came out was that our neighbor, like in the same building,
like knocks on our door frantically and it's like, hey,
did you see anyone going into my house?
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Like she'd been out of town for a couple of days.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
This whole thing.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
We're like, no, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
She realized someone had broken into her house because they
had fed her cat.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
And that's I know, it is kind of kind of
I mean, honestly, the guy living in the crawl space
that didn't really bother me that much. Like, actually, not
to be too woke, but I was like, I only
noticed random scraping that I thought was squirrels. And so
I'm like, if someone's like under like, it didn't bother me.
I mean it's going to yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
And it's like yeah, like a swee sentiment. He's like
feeding her cat, but it's like, yeah, I mean you
don't it's not great to think about someone being in
your home when you're not there and sort of touching
your stuff. Like I feel like that's a fair thing
to not want.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I do it all the time.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
We thought we think it was maybe multiple people. But anyway,
So like that first holiday season we moved to La
EJ and I, you know, we were only dating for
two years, so we did the holidays separately. So I
came back one night at like midnight one am, like
from Lax. And so the way it was set up
(19:30):
is like there was to get to the front door
of our apartment, there was a driveway and then you
like make a left and then another left and then
it's the front door. So I just to illustrate, like
it's not something you would stumble upon walking on the street.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah, it's pretty hidden.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I get there, perched at the top of the steps
right in front of the front door. Is this like
fucked up nutcracker statue. It's just and it's just they're
like this staring at and I was like, I was like,
oh my god, Like how did this get here?
Speaker 3 (20:02):
What is this?
Speaker 5 (20:02):
I'm like texting all of our friends, of which we
have four because we just moved.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
To La I text all four people.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
When I was like, hey, anybody leave me like a
Christmas surprise. Everyone's like, no, that's really scary. I like
text it to EJ and EJ's sisters like check it
for cameras.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Check it for cameras.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
She's my sister, I know. She immediately goes check it
for cameras and also bombs. I was like, don't say that.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I like, rip this wooden nutcracker apart. There's nothing there.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
I like go to sleep in the house, but I
barricade myself inside of the bedroom and sleep with all
of the lights on because I'm terrified. Next day, I
go to our friend Michelle's house because I'm like, I
can't be in the house.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
It's haunted.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
I come back, there is a leak from the so
in the apartment above us, no one lives. At one point,
for one month, someone did live there, but she moved
out because she said the house was haunted and she
knows because she's a witch. She literally skipped out on
the lease, like lost thousands of dollars. She was like,
(21:04):
I cannot live there here. So I get back to
the apartment because I'm running freaking scared disilver like proper,
I marched my ass on back down to Rampart village.
I get to the bedroom in the ceiling, there's water dripping.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
And it had been raining, so I think at first.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Came in through the window. But I go up there,
I like, look at the window. There's like no open
windows in the room where the rain would where the
water would be coming from. So I was like, oh
my god, what the fuck. So I'm like, I know
the lock box cogbo for the key to get into
the studio apartment upstairs where the water's coming from. So
me and my other neighbor were like, okay, we're gonna go.
(21:46):
We're gonna check it out together. I go to the
lock box to find the key. Lock box smashed open,
key gone, okay, So we call the landlord. The landlord
calls the locksmith, and this is where the story really
kind of hits a brick wall. The landlord calls the locksmith.
The locksmith unopens the door, opens the door. He says
(22:07):
to the landlord, all right, two hundred dollars, which is expensive,
but that is how much it costs to get holiday service.
What do you get, Like that is a very normal
price for such a service.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Locksmiths they that you find you a locksmith, honey, the
locks making money.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
But basically the landlord was like, the landlord was like.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
The landlord was a horrible The landlord.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Was he like.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Alcohol.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
I asked him to fix our oven. He like, comes
to fix our oven. It is clear that it needs
to be replaced, and I was like, okay, can you
replace it? He goes, why would I replace it if
I'm gonna bull goze this place in two months and
put a fire.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Eye is really scary?
Speaker 5 (22:48):
And I say, okay, so it's rent stabilized, So that's fine.
You owe me twenty thousand dollars. Anyways, long story short,
he refuses to play the locksmith. The locksmith goes, okay,
locks the door back up, runs away. I never slept
another night in that apartment complex.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
We moved out and then but didn't.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
We find out I don't remember how we found this
out that the spot that had been leaking was where
the bathtub was. Yes, yeah, and so it.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Was like somebody died in that bout that's.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I mean, or something like it, because that only happens
if gets overflowing. I feel like it at least through
the freakin.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Yeah, we never found out, but yeah, I won't bore
you with the details, but pretty much, through some very
strategic maneuvering and searching of city records, I did find
out the apartment had been illegally subdivided and that they
could not legally collect rent from us.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, so so we basically squatted there, squatting a couple
of months in that.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
But well squatting in that. Technically the lease was so good,
but we were like we left. The last night I
spent at that place was the night the morning when
I came back and it was all wet in the bed.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, so that was crazy.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
It was like go sort of walking.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
There was definitely like really intense energy in the place.
I will say, like it was like something was dark there,
and it was. There was a lot of stuff going
on with the landlords and the people's like frogging or whatever,
but there was ghostly.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
There was definitely ghostly energy, like for sure people had
been murdered there for.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Sure, and stuff would happen in our space, like I
feel like there was stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
That we'd noticed and I'd be like, did we move that?
Speaker 5 (24:26):
But then it's like like constantly discovering crawl spaces that
were like we like were watching we At this time,
we were also running in a sort of an unpermanent
pet hotel, and we had two kittens that were staying
the US. And one morning we wake up the kitten's gone.
And these kittens belonged to the daughter of Johnny Knoxville.
(24:48):
Lovely girl.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
But we went to school with.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
So Jenny Knoxville, Johnny Knoxville, there was her name, Jenny knot.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Jenny.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Actually very nice girl we went to school with. But
I was like, cannot lose Johnny knox Hill's grand kittens
turn up. They had discovered a crawl space that had
been like painted over, but the kittens like discovered it,
like like shredded it open their way out.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
We found them. They were like two feet from the house.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, oh my, well they're Knoxvills. They probably to get hurt.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
How do you feel about Sylvia Brown?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Well, I don't know who that is.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I don't either, okay?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Is that the Long Island Medium?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I just love it? Well, I don't know that is okay.
So Sylvia Brown was before the Long Island Medium, very eighties, nineties,
two thousand's. She made a lot of predictions. She would
go on this TV show called The Montel Williams.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Oh, yes, I've seen this show.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
She would be a guest on there, and then people
in the audience would be would ask questions and she
would fire off answers. Whether she thought it out or not,
she would just go for it, and I'm sure she
was right at times, but there was definitely a lot
of not so great I mean guesses. Okay, but you
(26:19):
know what, master of improv she would roll with it.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
I mean, and that's talent.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Actually, she's real hot right now. Her I mean, she's
been done for a number of years, but her clips
have really been going around. Amy Poehler just did an
impression of her essentially on SNL. They used a different
it was like a different character, but it was Zilia Brown.
Let me show you the most iconic clip. Oh yes, geeha,
(26:44):
can you show us, honey the land stand by? We
always have this one ready to go?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Who is in our house? First of all?
Speaker 6 (26:53):
George and Hazel anchering, p I K, I G.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
This woman.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
I would look it up on you know the background
of the house.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Our house is only ten years old.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Money the land, Oh, how do you think the land
is money, honey.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
So she doesn't skip She's like, doesn't skip a beat.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
It's so funny. I like how they both have red
hair for one. Hell yeah, I mean do you believe?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
I guess I would ask both of you, what's the
degree to which you believe in the legitimacy of like
mediums psychics?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Um? Uh, not real until you prove me otherwise. Yeah,
kind of.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But there's a lot of fakers obviously.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I mean, I feel bad because I say this constantly,
but I'll say it to you, to the two of you.
I always think of it like it's sense of humor.
Everybody's got it, a little bit of something, you know.
But when you commit to being like this is my job. Yeah, yeah,
I take a lot of risks and a lot of
them bomb yes, okay, yeah, so I think it's similar.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, well, I just yeah, it's hard for me to believe.
I've been to one psychic in my life, and I
feel like, well, first of all, she asked me my
birthday before anything else, and so then she knew my
like sign or whatever, and then it just felt like
she was and I'm a pist.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Season then it just she kind of like the whole
time is.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Like you love water, and I was like, this is
not That's why the bathtub overflowed.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Of time.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
What about you, Rue?
Speaker 5 (28:30):
I think I believe in it, but I don't think
that a legitimate psychic is going on the Montel Williams show.
Like I think a legitimate psychic like maybe lives like
in a village and is like a healer, but it
doesn't have a TikTok is not like doing zoom sessions.
Is not going on Morey Povich or whatever.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Okay, because they don't need to do all that.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
They don't need to do all How do we make money?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Though?
Speaker 5 (28:52):
I mean, I think a legitimate psychic doesn't seek to
make money from their spiritual gifts.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So yeah, I cast share at the grocery store or something.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
You're just saying, sure, there's a lot of people like
that that's just living a normal life. But they are
like incredible psychics.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
They're like tapped into something.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
But let's watch Sylvia because this is I mean, I
truly consider doing this if all else fails, just from
watching her, because she's so good at just pulling things
out and going with it. Let's just watch a series
of clips from her. Jihaw, what do you got for us?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Time I go to my brother's home, my sister in
law says, you're surrounded by angels? Is that true?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Her mouth is wide open, absolutely, thank you.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
It's a shame she isn't.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Oh, oh, she's so satisfied after throwing that one out.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
She isn't.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, I mean she was a sassy lady. Do let's
see another one.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Hi, Sylvia.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
My name is Hessena and I'm about eighteen years ago.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
My father went on a business ship and never returned.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
The day that he's supposed to come, he called and
never came.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
My family search time low, no results. So I just
want to know if he's dead.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
He's alive in Florida.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Does that make sense? You know?
Speaker 6 (30:20):
That's like going out for a pack of cigarettes and
not coming back.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
It is a cigarette right now?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
No? Does that make sense? No?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I mean where she get Florida from? I don't know, but.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
The deadbeat dads go to disappear a likely place.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
But I mean, if you can just pull out like
one noun, it makes it so that you're not lying anymore,
you know what I mean? It makes it seem that way. Yeah,
asked me a.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Question, what's your earliest memory?
Speaker 6 (30:59):
No?
Speaker 1 (30:59):
No, no, about No, you have to be like a client,
and I'm Sylvia.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Okay, it is my grandmother proud of me?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Wait, I have to have my mouth wide open like
she had.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Is my late grandmother proud of me?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
No?
Speaker 2 (31:16):
See, because she's like it's also like the mouth open
is like she's concentrating so hard.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
She's channeling. I see your grandmother right now. Your grandmother says,
Your grandmother says, yes, and you should.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Go to Florida.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Does that make any sense?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yes, she's gotta deal with the Florida tourism board.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Show me another one, do you have? Please?
Speaker 6 (31:47):
Could you also tell me my spirit guides name? His
name is Malorie Mallorie Male.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
His name is Malory her name.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
But you know what, But that's why you would go, well,
she can't be making those yeah, exactly, exactly outrageous.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Well, yeah, she knew it instantly.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
What.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah. A lot of people would ask who's the ghost
in my house? What's my spirit guide's name? And she
quick as can be anytime it's like a oh, our
house is from the eighteen hundred. She would be like, uh,
what's like an old person. What's her name? Back then,
she'd be like Edmund. His name is Edmund, Edmund.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
You had a flush of sorlia, Hi, Sylvia. I was
just wondering if I had any past lives and what
they were.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Yeah, you had thirty seven past lives and your last
life was in Jerusalem and it was about one hundred
years go and you were a rabbi.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Okay, thank you. Okay. This girl is just like, okay,
thank you, thank you. That's exactly what I came here for.
Thank you. But I mean, she can just she can
just come up with it. It's just brilliant. I think
it's so good.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I would like to know my future husband's name.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Is your husband's name?
Speaker 6 (33:27):
You got a phone number within it?
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yes, Justin, Jesse, Justin, Justin?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
She said, just.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Wait, how do you know you'd have one?
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Ask you?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Thank you?
Speaker 6 (33:43):
So if a guy walked up to you and said
his name was Justin, you.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Wouldn't go out with him.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
So that got could be a billionaire, It could be
the nicest guy.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Well you wouldn't it just because his name was Justin.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I've been in a relationship for nine years and we
love each other very much.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
But he hasn't asked me to marry him yet.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Oh, well.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
He woone either.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
I'm also like, what kind of fucking gal do you
have to be like asking this obviously fake psychic a
question and then be so ten toes down rejecting what
she has to say. Kind you'd be like, yeah, no,
it's like no, you don't know, like you're putting your
trust in this.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
You don't get to switch it up on the system.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
Like no, I'm like, if you're getting on the train,
ride it to your stop.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, hey, okay, yeah, you're signing up for whatever you're
getting to be a good sport. Yeah, be a good sport.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah. Yeah. It is really random to ask such a
specific question and go no, well, i's.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
You this whole time. Yeah, I'm engaged, but it sounds like.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
But she's not even engaged because you won't propose.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Oh that's right, and he never will ring.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Well, yeah, I would be. I would be curious about that.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Yeah, nine years totally.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Now do you have any ghost stories any other ghost story?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Well, we were talking about the trip the cabin.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Oh, well, Lydia's bed breaking.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah, I guess that's not really good.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Okay, here's what I need you to channel is your
inner Sylvia? Yeah, I'm asking for a ghost story.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah, okay, give.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
It to me.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Okay, Well, I know I've heard that cats really toe
the line between the living and the dead. Dude, know
about this or is this is this part of your
like ghostliness at all?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I mean yeah, animals they say, yeah, can see ghosts
and are more.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
They're more tuned in.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Well, just before if we do want to talk about
the cabin, this is just like a quick aside before,
which is that my childhood cat died like a few
months ago and he was literally twenty two years old.
Oh my god, so he needed to go. But he
died a few months ago, and he would always get
his tongue sticking out, like his tongue would be sticking out,
(36:07):
like he wouldn't realize it, but he would have his
tongue it would be.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Stuck, even getting real stupid.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Even before he got ancient. And we have two cats
in our apartment. Neither of them has ever done that.
The day my childhood cat passed, walk into the bedroom,
our cat corbyn tongue sticking out.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
That's a ghost story that.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I was kind of like, that's kind of crazy. The
day he died.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I've never seen that behavior, never seen it.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, took a picture, sent it to my family, said,
I think Dyl's spirit is here.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
What do you think that is? Do you think that
your childhood ghosts or cat, your childhood cat came in
and was like, hey, you know what'd be really funny?
Or do you think that your childhood cat is now
inside of your current cat somehow.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
I don't know if he's in side of him, but
I do feel like he there is maybe communication that
wasn't there before because he left his physical forum or
you know it is not is no longer earthside, they're
able to have a bit more of a dialogue and
feel connected.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
I think he was passing on a message to you
to be like I'm okay, Yeah, to be like I'm okay,
Like pour your love into Corbon.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Not Miriam.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
But Miriam is different energy.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
She's the other cat.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
She's just she's she's.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Got very witchy.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
We call her a little witch.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
She's a witch like.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
She she's also.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
A Halloween cat we got on Halloween on Halloween.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
But also Corbyn the cat like he's constantly especially honestly
at our last place, he would be staring at the wall.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Like blank white wall, and he's like this, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Feel like cant around see stuff. Yeah, because had a frogger,
there was somebody behind that wall moving around.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
It's like, yeah, definitely he's hearing shit.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah. Do you know if there's a TV show that's
like a frogger, like where it's like a person telling
a story and there's reenactments and like each episode is
just like one story.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
That show that used to be on the Haunting or.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Was obsessed with that.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Did you ever watch that, Joe, Oh my god, it's
like a ghost stories show.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
It would be like people, it would be like a
reality quote unquote.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I think it's called frogging Colon hide her in my
house And I started watching it on two B one time,
and it's good. And if anyone's listening, they don't know
that term. It's it's a person that's secretly living in
your house, which I think needs to be talked about
more in the conversation of ghosts.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Like yeah, because people assume ghosts and it's like, no,
it's just a guy.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, And I wouldn't doubt that that landlord that you
had probably also has an ad that's like Cross Space
two a month for the Cross Space. Can I play
you some ghost voice? It's time for EVP or ev please?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
What's EVP stand for?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Electronic voice phenomena.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
They would do this all the time on that one show.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
What's it? What was it called? Well, there's a lot
of shows, but the Haunting, The Haunting was one.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
A Haunting was one we should watch some I love
reenacting and they do a live re enactment with actors.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Oh, I get so scared.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Nothing's better than celebrity ghost stories, though, I'm telling you
should watch that one. Okay. So here's what happens. Electronic
voice phenomena is what we call in the industry whenever
a ghost is captured speaking. Sometimes it's like, oh, someone's
just taking a video and then all of a sudden likeasag,
what was that? Okay? And then people put them up
(39:50):
on YouTube. I take two of them and I'm gonna
play them for you, and I want you to tell
me what you hear, okay, and then I'll give you
abc D.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
One of them is what the person that posted it
believes it's saying.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
This first one is from a person named the orb Queen, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yes, my mom's friends, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
And it appears to be like a ringcam footage and
the ORB Queen caught this. Oh clear as day? Yeah, definitely,
let me play it again.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
I know exactly what it's saying.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Can you say? Okay, wait, wait, we'll do it one more. Okay,
let's hear your guys, eja.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
I want you dead?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
What about you?
Speaker 6 (40:56):
Rue?
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Hey, put that down?
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Okay, I hear put that down.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
I hear both of yours. Well, that's not what they thought.
Did they think it was A? Hey? Do you use vine?
Maybe it's like a twenty thirteen ghost like maybe they
died then that's what they thought.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
It's way too many syllables.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
This is one option.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Okay, do they think it was B?
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Hey? Do you mind?
Speaker 4 (41:31):
I could see that?
Speaker 1 (41:32):
See? Hey, where's my head?
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (41:37):
So that one's way or D.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Near the land?
Speaker 4 (41:46):
I think B.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
I think B as well?
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Hey, do you mind? Is correct?
Speaker 6 (41:56):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Hey? Do you mind quit filming me? Okay? This next
one is from w V Ghost Chronicles. I'm guessing West Virginia.
What's this ghost saying? Oh that's good, that's good as
clear as day?
Speaker 3 (42:19):
One more time?
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Guesses.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah, one, two, three shoot, hmmm.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
That sound's really hard for me.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Can you hear them?
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Really? It sounds so so obvious.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Like to me, it sounds like a sneeze.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Well, neither of those are what they thought. Did they
think it was a progressive soup?
Speaker 3 (42:52):
That's very good?
Speaker 1 (42:53):
B aggressive two C don't threatened me?
Speaker 6 (43:03):
Or D.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
E J and rue.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Shut up? I think it's I think it was was
be the one that had two in it?
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Aggressive too, Yeah, I think it was. They think it's
se don't threaten me. It's not.
Speaker 5 (43:24):
People are like projecting so much onto these ghosts because
I feel like the presumption is I mean, I'm sure
you talk about this a lot in the show, but
the people presume sometimes malintent.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know about that one.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
Are you of the frame of mind that a ghost
is around because of unfinished business or some sort of
vendetta or do you think like some people just sort
of like incidentally become ghosts and it's random.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
I think I think if you die at PEP, this
is just one of my working beliefs. Uh huh, if
you die at peace, okay, where you're like, I know
I'm gonna die accepted it. Then you have the ability
to sort of like come visit your friends when they're
on the Manta Williams Show or whatever. Like I think
(44:14):
you can like that's more the vibe you can kind
of elect. But I think if you die like instantly
and you're like what the fuck you don't even know
ye you're dead. I think I think that's one of
the things. And I and I think that goes along
with like the unfinished business thing because the people that
(44:35):
were at peace, like they got their business taken care
of and they can come back because they like this
house or whatever. But then there's people that are like
stuck because they had a something that they wanted to achieve.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Or do you think ghosts are the same, Like are
ghosts the same as like you know, when someone dies and.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
People are like, like.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
You know, someone dies in they're like, oh, like if
you see like a red cardinal, like that's me coming
back or something. And then after they pass, then when
someone sees a red cardinal, they're like, oh, that's my
mom or whatever.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Is that the same as a ghost or like a
visit from a spirit or is that just like a
spirit kind of like like what is that or what's
the difference.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
I really think that if you like die at peace
or like if you figure out like to go to
the light or whatever, then I feel like you have
the powers that you could do stuff like that. That's
what I think. Yeah, Like I think if because I
also think there's people that are dead and they they're
just pissed about it and they don't want to be
dead and that's why they're ghosts. But then like if
(45:42):
they go to the light, then then they have the
power to be like, my god, you'll be sickening if
I was a dragonflyer and I just like go visit them. Yeah,
I think you're like you have privileges if you're like
okay with being dead.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
But if for whatever reason, you're resisting it or like
it happens so suddenly and you don't even know that
you're dead or you're just like unhappy period, Like I
don't know. I think there's just like a lot of
reasons why people get stuck.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
So that's why I go skew children, why they why
there are more children ghosts then are there?
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Yeah, because I don't think the kids know any different.
Like I think, like they don't know how to process that.
And then all of a sudden they're just like Yead
in the eighteen hundreds in the lacey dress, and now
they're just like and they.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Always trying to play, Like I feel like I hear
stories about that where it's like.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
The coasts are always they always have a.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Ball that they're rolling, yeah, with a stick, trying to
play with you.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Yeah, you ask eighteen hundred toys.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
But like, here's my question, how did the toy become
a ghost? How did the ball? Did someone pop the
ball and now it's dead?
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Maybe their whole have to be holding the toy at
the moment.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Of what happens. It's like when you go on like
a like a time machine, like if you hop in
whatever you have.
Speaker 5 (47:03):
With you is there's some versions where you're naked, like
in the Time Traveler's Wife.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Or Austin Powers.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Right, well, maybe that's also like like maybe the toy
isn't ghostly and that's why we see things moving on
the road.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Right right, there's some questions, what do you think a bigfoot?
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Oh, well, you know, I'm a I'm from the Pacific Northwest,
so I grew up.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Where are you from?
Speaker 3 (47:31):
I'm from Pennsylvania, Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Ah, yeah, so you really your mom really might be
the orb Queen.
Speaker 5 (47:38):
No, literally, she might know or Queen Underswore Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Okay, so you grew up in the culture.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
I grew up in the culture.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
It's a very big part of the culture.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Oh. I was just recently at the Seattle Airport and
there was like so much mergeah Bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Well, and this is going to go into what we
was about to talk about, because we watched this documentary
together that you're in reference.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
But is it the one that ends up being like
a wee thing.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yes, it's really connected to that. But I do think
there's sound stuff there because I think that like there's
definitely a lot of people living off the land in
the Pacific Northwest and being sort of funny to land
the land. Fuck yeah, it's fertile as all get out
and no idea idea But anyway, yes, but we watched
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this documentary about it a little bit, but it's I mean,
do you want to explain the theory?
Speaker 5 (48:34):
Well, as I'm about to say, I don't know that
they said this in the documentary.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
They did, they did.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
Okay, because I sort of also thought this is something
I made of you take out for it. So there's
an observed phenomenon of Vietnam War veterans of like I mean,
I don't want to say feral because I think that
sort of like doesn't treat it. It's like a psychological
phenomenon where people are just like really distressed from PTSD
and so they sort of like sink into the woods
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and like do things like cover themselves with like mud,
or wear sticks in their hair or like these like
big burly men who are just sort of haunted by
the crimes they've committed under coercion by the state. Okay,
I'm not sure how politically you like to get but yeah, fine,
I think people just I think people it's I think
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it's like probably many large crazy men.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, it's like traumatized vets who like adorn themselves in
furs and they run through the woods.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Like it's like how they dressed in yellow jackets. But
it's like men in their seventies.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
I also think there's also like drugs are also obviously
a big part of this too, where it's like the
you know, the sort of like shroom and weed culture
in the.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
But how did they stay hidden.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
Well, I think they're like hermits.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah, they're really out there.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Like there's so I mean, there's so many people who
really live out there.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Well there's I mean, there's so much like densely for
it state land like in Oregon and Washington that is
really like you could fully have like a California, Yeah,
northern California where there's like I mean, that was actually
one of the most striking things about this documentary.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
We should find out what it's actually called, because we
keep referencing it.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
But like there were these like sweeping like bird's eye
view shots of just like because I grew up in
Portland and so I grew up very familiar with the
like feeling of being in a forest, like a lot
of Portland is forest honestly, but like the sweeping birds,
I view shots of like this densest like thick evergreen trees,
and you're like, anything could be happening out there.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yea's so scary to think about, like just being out.
Speaker 5 (50:40):
There scared, like when we're hiking and camping and stuff like,
I mean, this is so cliche, but I am so
much more scared to encounter like a random human than
like an animal.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Because they don't want to be found.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Yeah, what do you think about past lives?
Speaker 3 (51:01):
One believe in them and you I believe in them too.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
And I think you're just saying that because.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
I do really believe in them. I believe in them,
and I feel like my strongest evidence is just like
I really feel like some people I meet and I'm like,
we've met before. Really, I just know that I know you, Like,
I feel like the people I'm closest to for the
most part the day, like I can remember like meeting
them and being like, this is just not the first
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time we've met. There's something deeper there. There's a familiarity
that it couldn't be just like, oh, we have stuff
in common.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah, it's like the last time I swear it was
like like the Renaissance period, but I was yeah, yeah,
I feel like it's that.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (51:45):
Yeah, I definitely believe in them. My mom is a
huge believer in them. Yeah, she has my whole life,
said that she believes that we have been spending many
lifetimes together. But then also she says my sister is
in New Soul, which I mean, I think it's clear
who the favorite child is with that information. Yeah, just kidding,
(52:07):
but I think, yeah, I also think just some, especially
when you work with kids, and I mean maybe this
is like because of trauma or stuff going on at home,
but some see way more wisened than the others. Like
there are just like some kids, oh kay. I used
to spend a lot of time like working in kindergarten
classrooms and there were just like a lot of kids
who had a sort of like strength and wisdom to them.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
And it wasn't maturity, it.
Speaker 5 (52:30):
Was something different of like you like you sort of
natively or like you have this like innate knowledge that
the other kids aren't working with. And I think it's
because you're like not stressing because you like have seen
all this before.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah, I think kids are really good sources of like
proof of past lives because it is like I mean,
it's kids say the darnedest things or whatever. But it's like,
I mean the amount of times, like because we both
used to work with kids a lot, like the amount
of times you would hear like a four year old
just be like no, I know, yeah, You're like this
is what this is and they're like I'm well aware.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
It's like a very I'm older than you.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Yeah, and I'm like, and you might be I don't know. Yeah,
they're so funny.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Okay, let me ask one more. Okay, conspiracy theories. Do
you have a favorite one that's like just like a
fun one.
Speaker 5 (53:24):
Great American street car scandal. I mean, I'm sure people
have said this before.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
No, what, I don't even know what that is.
Speaker 5 (53:30):
Well, it's featured in Who Framed Waja Wabbit? But it's
the idea that the Ford Company went and bought up
all brought up streetcar companies around the country and ripped
up the track so that people would be forced to participate.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
In car culture.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
I thought that was just true.
Speaker 5 (53:48):
It's not, well, they say there's not really. There was
like a whole congressional hearing.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Okay, okay, they did other things to incentivize driving though.
Speaker 3 (53:57):
Yes, I mean, of course that was not the only thing.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Yeah, But that that one's like not quite proven.
Speaker 5 (54:01):
Of like they literally like literally buying and ripping up
the tracks. It's not totally proven. Yeah, but what is
white Man's proof anyone?
Speaker 2 (54:09):
Right?
Speaker 1 (54:10):
See, this is what I come here for because it's
been new that I've brought up this question of asking
people about conspiracy theories. Because I feel like the right
has really co opted conspiracy theories. But I think there's
a lot of fun that we can have with conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Oh my god, I think we should.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
Any of them are true.
Speaker 5 (54:32):
Like I just read this book, this four hundred I mean,
my favorite kind of book is a four hundred page
book about a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
But I read, so you're really into conspiracy.
Speaker 5 (54:41):
I'm really into conspiracy well just because I'm really into
like the history.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
Do you have to sit here and listen to this
all the time?
Speaker 2 (54:47):
I actually really like it because it is very like
I'm like I'm learning stuff, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
Like that's my special interest.
Speaker 5 (54:53):
I'm really interested in like military history and like the
history of like intelligence and stuff.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
Do you know about like psych in the military.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
Are you talking about like like MK ultra.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
And yeah, like all that kind of stuff is really
I don't really.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
Know about psychic specifically that I'm interested.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Yeah, you should get out to that. I don't either.
But I know the thing that.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
I think it's a really good point though, Roz about
like us having our like leftist perspective on conspiracy theories
kind of it's like honestly important because it is like
so much of American history is like literally conspired to
make us.
Speaker 5 (55:33):
I mean like co intel pro Like I feel like
that should that is enough for anyone to like never
trust the state ever.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
Ever.
Speaker 5 (55:41):
That's like the way like the FBI, like j Agar
Hoover's FBI was like spying on like black radicals and
like student activists. At one point, they like set a
honey trap for MLK and like I don't remember exactly
what happened, but they either like got a recording or
like a video of him flirting with another woman sent
it to Kreta Scott just a fuck with his head.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
I'm like, you guys.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
Well, it's also like the move bombing in Philly like
stuff like that, where it's just like the government obviously, like.
Speaker 5 (56:11):
Say, that's when they bombed a whole city block in
my neighborhood growing like I was. I was like twenty
years before I was born, but like so many people
don't know that. In the eighties, like the US government
fully burned down an entire city block in West Philadelphia
like fifty or something homes to yeah, and killed a
bunch of black radicals because there was a bunch of.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
Black radicals, Like like families children like extended families, and
that like literally bombed them because the government was afraid
of them, you know, and that which is like nothing new,
of course they've been doing this forever, but like stuff
like that where I'm like, why would yeah, like why
would we believe these the state? Why did you go
(56:51):
with them?
Speaker 6 (56:51):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (56:52):
I know, I know? Hey, where can we find you?
Speaker 3 (57:03):
You can find.
Speaker 5 (57:05):
You can follow me on Instagram at rue dot on
dot the dot web just ru on the web dots
between the words how about you.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
My name on Instagram and TikTok is EJ having fun?
Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yea, well, I'm so happy you both joined me.
Speaker 4 (57:24):
God, thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
I need to like for doing this.
Speaker 4 (57:27):
Watch I'm going to watch a lot of live re
enactments of.
Speaker 3 (57:30):
I cannot watch that show like the Frogging show that
will I can't.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
I promise you you could because it's so scary it
was made. I think I was watching it in like
two thousand and six.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
And the Haunting show.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
Yeah, yeah, like I was in elementary school. I promise
you it's not scary like the effects, that visual effect.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
I don't like that. At least you have somebody to
watch it with.
Speaker 2 (57:57):
On a rainy day.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
I always put that when I'm all by myself, like
to go to bed and then I can't sleep.
Speaker 4 (58:03):
Do you like horror movies?
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Do you watch room?
Speaker 1 (58:05):
Love them?
Speaker 2 (58:06):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (58:07):
All right, bye bye? Thank you so much to EJ
and Rue Oh. I love them, and thank you for listening.
I love you all, both living and dead. But if
I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.
Okay bye. This has been an exactly right production. Want
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to share your paranormal experience on the podcast. I read
stories out loud and sometimes I'll even call you, so
email me at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com.
You can send a DM or voice message to the
show's instagram at ghosted by Roz. Give us a follow
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Hernandez and on TikTok and Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez.
My senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer
is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and
sound designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker
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is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. My theme music is by
the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon, artwork by the Spooky
Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the Terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced
by the Chilling Karen Kilgarareff, the Spooky Georgia hart Stark,
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and the Frightening Danielle Kramer. Listen to Ghosted by Roz
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What's that ad? It's spooky joky. I'm really sure it's dead.
It's coming this way. Wait a minute, help, I'm ghosted.
I nandas plle. Hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome
(00:31):
to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk
to people that I like about the paranormal. My friends
e J. Marcus and Rue Anderson are on the show,
and they are two comedians in a relationship with each other,
and they're just so fun to talk to. So we'll
(00:53):
get to that in a moment, but before we do,
let me read you a ghost story.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Worry.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
This one came from a listener named Morgan, who writes,
my grandma died in twenty twenty, but we kept her
house in the family as it is sentimental and it
is in the woods of West Virginia, so we love
to hide out there for holidays. In twenty twenty three,
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my twin sister, my mom, and I were driving from
Iowa to West Virginia for spring break. We didn't get
to the house until two am, and there was a
huge storm happening that caused the power to go out.
There's also no cell service because it's in the middle
of nowhere, Appalachia. So my mom goes upstairs to sleep,
(01:44):
and my sister and I are laying on the two
couches in the living room and we start hearing two
female voices talking upstairs. This is super weird because it
was only my mom up there and there was no
one else she could have been talking to. So I
start freaking out because we knew the house was haunted,
(02:05):
but I had never heard anything weird before. So the
two ladies kept chatting. I'm terrified, and I try to
talk to my sister and this bitch is passed out
as if there isn't an active haunting occurring, So I'm like, whatever,
this is fine. Then I hear my mom walk down
the stairs. Each step is so creaky because the house
(02:28):
is old, so i'd literally hear her walk on each step.
I look over to the bottom of the stairs. Nobody
is there. Oh hell no. Throughout the night, I heard
someone walk down the stairs like five more times, and
each time I looked, there was nobody there. And then
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in the kitchen, my dead grandma has this thing that
announces the temperature. It's supposed to go off at like
seven am and seven pm. Well, at this point, It's
around three or three thirty am, and it announced the
temperature three times in a row. I was so scared
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and I stayed up until the sun came up. In
the morning. My sister and I asked my mom about
the voices, and she said she was not talking to
anyone and didn't hear anyone. They both slept soundly while
I experienced ghostly happenings all night. Eek okay Morgan, yeah
(03:30):
that was your dead grandma. Listen. I have experienced with
grandma ghosts myself, and you know, even if it's your
loving grandma, it could still be creepy if it's three am.
I'm sorry, but love my grandma's I've had two grandmas
(03:50):
and a step grandma. They're all passed. If they decide
to visit me at three am, I'll be lighting a
bundle of all kinds of things. I'll be getting the
holy water out. I'm sorry. Sorry, ladies, love you to death, literally,
however you gotta go. Thanks for sharing that. Hey, you know,
(04:13):
speaking of me with ghosts, I do have my YouTube
show called Roz Hernandez the Haunted Doll on YouTube. You
can go watch that because I have posted multiple episodes
of new ghost Hunts of mine, and I'm very proud
of them, So go give them a watch, and also
watch the interviews of this podcast on exactly Whight's YouTube page.
(04:37):
We usually drop them like a week later, so that
means that a lot of the previous weeks that were
recorded in studio, not the zoom ones, but the in
studio episodes. There's tons of them that are up on
YouTube right now, so go watch them. Okay, here we go.
It's my conversation with EJ and Rue and with the show.
(05:10):
Oh my god, e J and Rue are here?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yay?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
A real life couple.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yes, all the more ghostly.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah for you, my dear.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
But also you two are younger.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I mean yeah, Are you sure about that?
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Your gen Z are actually firmly cussed, your cuss. We're
in nineteen ninety six, which makes you cuss.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I am technically gen Z.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Here's what I will say, not to embarrass your Rue,
but Rue came in this room and said, oh my gosh, Dracula,
which is to our Liberachi doll.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Well, he's an a Dracula costume, but.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
You know what he is. He is very much in
a Dracula costume.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
But he's ghostly white, he's pale.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, so I'll I completely I love it. Now. That's
always going to be Dracula for me. But how is
everybody doing?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Really good?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
It's amazing weather today.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
It's raining. I'm very self conscious of my glasses because
I hate glasses in the rain. They fog up well
and they just get red and then all of a
sudden it's revealed. Okay, my glasses are disgusting. I'm covered
in oil everywhere. I one time, I'll never forget it.
One day in history my glasses were not dirty. It
(06:31):
was a great day. It was to say I bought them.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, oh, and it was everything was different.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Every I've been wearing glasses for twenty years. They've always
been disgusting.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Were you happy when you like needed to get glasses?
Were you secretly like, oh yay.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
No, you were saying you don't need glasses.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
He does, he does need I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I literally went to the root. No, because I went
to the eye don't. I went to look at us
fighting on your podcast. I went to the eye doctor
two weeks, like a month ago whatever, and they said
my vision was basically twenty twenty, very close, basically very
close to twenty twenty. I said to that the eye
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doctors telling me you don't need glasses right now.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Just so you know, twenty twenty was the worst year
in all of our life. So maybe that's what he
was referring to. Right, It's like that, you're basically twenty twenty.
You remember that? Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
She yeah, the eye doctor.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I forget. I forget sometimes that women can be doctors.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
She was a bad ass.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I'm learning. Okay, we have to talk about ghosts though. Okay,
so EJ, you were on once. I was. I was
trying to shall be.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Years ago, years and years ago. I was trying to
remember that because I think maybe what I talked about
with the time I did a Ouiji board and my
cat started running around the room crazy. Oh does that
sound familiar?
Speaker 5 (08:07):
That could be, but it's probably ultimately the sound of
the scraping of the board got the cat riled up
rather than any ghost.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Okay. I feel sorry, ladies. Sorry to that's like crazy
energy to be bringing on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, not on this.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Pod, But I do believe in ghost with evidence, it
doesn't seem like it.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Okay, Well, we want to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, if you're so ghost Yeah, experts.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Now, route didn't you tell me before that you grew
up Wickan or did I make that up?
Speaker 5 (08:33):
I did grow up Wickan, So I grew up very
much as a believer in the spiritual realm, the metaphysical
things like that.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Okay, honestly done this podcast since early radio days. I
don't think we've ever had anyone that grew up Wickan.
I know.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
I think it's because it's like relatively new age. I
think it's probably un for people to have been raised
in the tradition.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Because I feel like most of your mom's wicked friends
are closer to our age.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
My mom has a lot of younger wicked friends, but
she also has a lot of older wicked friends. But
it's usually something people find like, from my observation, it's
like a reaction to a sort of Christian upbringing and
like wanting to like sort of have the community, like
a religious community outside of like all the ways Christianity
(09:27):
can be educated and oppressive.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Not always.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, we definitely have a listenership of witches of all ages.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Wow, Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
I actually was wondering if my mom listened to this
podcast because like you're the exact kind of person she
would love to listen to on a podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You know, when you said that she knows older witches,
that is one of my demographics. Hmmm, I mean older witches.
Dare I say like an elderly witch, like a seventy
eighty year old witch.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Is I've never done a comedy show without at least
one in the audience that rocks. Yeah, there's always at
least one older witch that will come to the show.
And then if I do a meet and great, she's like,
eat this apple, but like as a fan because she
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brought me an apple, or like, no, they do. They
do bring me spells and stuff. Sometimes they'll give me
a charm or.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It's awesome, Yeah, a little bundle.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Older witches love me.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
So my mom made us little bundles to put in
our car that we have not done yet. Yes, in
our cars they're charm bags with all sorts of numerology
and things of that nature. But I will say this
is that a lot of people are fake witches. Like
a lot of people are sort of like broadly or no,
I wouldn't say fake, but I will say like people
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are sort of spiritual only like crystals and sort of la. Yeah,
the mishmash of sort of like unspecified spirituality. But like
the tradition I grew up in is like Gardenerian traditional witchcraft.
It's like British Wicca. There's like books. It's like very books. No,
there's like books and like a tradition and a path
(11:21):
laid out, like it's not just random stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, No, I get that. I've I've dabbled, I've done
my research because I've had my moments where I'm like
is Wick up for me? But then I'm kind of
I am one of these people that's kind of like, well,
I don't want to take this from there, from there
put it all together. But I understand. So you were
raised in that, dude, were you doing like spells as
(11:44):
a kid?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Like and when I was like young, every night before
going to bed, my mom would cast the circle in
my room. She'd be like guardians of the Watchtower to
the north, like and like all the cardinal directions and
you'd sort of cast a circle and like that was
like a sort of spiritual fortification of safety.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
It was very comforting as a kid.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
You were like that that felt important to you to happen.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
It's very comforting.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
So are you still a practitioner?
Speaker 5 (12:12):
No, I'm not, mostly because I'm like I and this
is something I'm trying to change about myself. But I'm
not a great team player or joiner, and like I'm
very grumpy a lot, and I get turned off from
communities really easily.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, you don't want to be the grumpy one of
the coven.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
No, you don't. You don't.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Part of being of like a part of the community
like that is you do accept the people that are
annoying or the things that you don't necessarily to do.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
That is part of being in community. It really is
really trying to we need community.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Wait, this actually reminds me. We talk a lot about
ghost stuff, spooky, spooky, scariest, biggest fear I've ever had
in my life going to a restaurant in public talking
shit about someone next table. Oh and there at the
next US last week and that happened to us. We
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were at full volume talking ship for at least ten
minutes about somebody, group of people, everyone contributing something with
one person that didn't know the person. So we were
like really explaining who this.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Person was describing their physical appearance.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Specific but let's just say so unique accout.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I was like, don't do we went through this, but
I all of a sudden looked over our one friend's
head and I was like, I turned to Ruin. I'm like,
is that the person?
Speaker 6 (13:41):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
And you kid for me it was And then we.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Heard what ten ft away? It was crazy?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, that was scary.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Who's funny?
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Well?
Speaker 5 (13:51):
And then the next day do we have the same manager?
The next day I texted Adam to tell him the
story and he was like, that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
I'm literally on a zoom with ras right now.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Oh yeah, I told I told them too. Okay I
need ghost stories, okay, or they're going to cancel this podcast. Okay,
so you better come up with something.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Okay, Okay, well what we what did? This is just
a small one, but we are having an issue with
the lamps in our house where it does feel like
in certain moments, I and this is maybe me being
but I am a believer of these things, but like
my bedside table lamp turns off and on in a
(14:36):
way that does feel like it's linked to like energetically,
Like if I'm like.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
You come stomping into the room.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Well it's not always stomping. Comes stomping in, not always stomping.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
The wickan skeptic, Hey, but I'm saying that's energy.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
But for me, I'm like, I don't really stomp as
much as Rue does. Like I'm a little bit lighter
on my seat.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Well you're one hundred and.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Thirty two hundred, so yeah, you don't stop as hard
as me.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I should hope.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
But anyway, so when I'm like, if I'm like rushing
around the house or I'm like stressed, I do feel
like the lamp is turning on in a random way. Yeah,
so that's been something that we've been noticing.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
Well.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Also, our first apartment was haunted.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Oh my god, I have an amazing ghost story the Nutcracker.
Oh my god, Ross, this is actually terrifying. This will
chill you to your bones. Do we have a moment
for a story? No, Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Our first apartment in LA was disgusting.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
There was a lot of stuff going on. It was
like between Ktown.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
And Silver Lay.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
It was like that sort of zone, which, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And it was the kind of thing where like we
had just moved here, we didn't have jobs, we had
like kind of bad credit, you know whatever, and we
were like really scared we were never going to get
approved for an apartment anywhere.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
And so this because we kept on getting denied from
places as people were like you have no income, no
credit to know, why would you.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, And so this apartment we failed on Craigslist.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Craigslist for sure.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Like blurry photos, like all lowercase call like call phone number.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
We show up there, like they just like give us
like the lock box coach, like let ourselves in. Yeah,
we go in fully furnished weird.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Yeah, but furnished in like a weird way, like really
maybe it was an airbnb.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
It looked very.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Strange, but it was.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
It looked like someone went to Salvation Army like one
day and was like, all right, well we have everything.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
It's like okay, yeah, technically that's.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Like a couch and a chair, yeah, painting of a daisy.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, but it was weird vibes printed on. Yeah, Like
it felt like no one.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Had been in there for like a really long time.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
We're like, okay, but we go in the bathroom. In
the toilet is.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Shit, okay.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, they wanted to show you that it worked. Yeah,
that's where you can go.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Fully, but it like just that goes to show. So anyway, needless,
they obviously were like perfect, it's ours.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Like we're like.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Like she was like no credit check needed, Yeah, when
can you move in?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
We're like twenty four years old, Like, I mean, this
is a dream come true. And so we were calling
all our friends.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Guys, we got an amazing apartment.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
It's amazing and big.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
It was big, and it was in our budget and
we were like great, and things just kind of started
happening with it. A lot of which, you know, we
did kind of come to find out that I think
previous to being apartments, that building had been a place
where people came.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
To buy drugs, like resided there maybe if.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
They were having a margin.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Amphetamine was specifically the accusation that.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Was leveraged by the upstairs neighbor.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, so I think it was one of those things
where like, due to many reasons, people had been disfranchised
and there, you know, like it was like a lot
of stuff being so woke about it, but it was
like it was a flop house. It was yeah, it.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Was flat house, and well there would always be like
like weird sounds blah blah blah, like we'd hear like
scraping under the floor, come to find out that someone
had been living in the crawl space right underneath it.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
What's that called frogging?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Frogging? Frogging, terrifying frogger.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
And wait, the way that ultimately some of this information
came out was that our neighbor, like in the same building,
like knocks on our door frantically and it's like, hey,
did you see anyone going into my house?
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Like she'd been out of town for a couple of days.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
This whole thing.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
We're like, no, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
She realized someone had broken into her house because they
had fed her cat.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
And that's I know, it is kind of kind of
I mean, honestly, the guy living in the crawl space
that didn't really bother me that much. Like, actually, not
to be too woke, but I was like, I only
noticed random scraping that I thought was squirrels. And so
I'm like, if someone's like under like, it didn't bother me.
I mean it's going to yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
And it's like yeah, like a swee sentiment. He's like
feeding her cat, but it's like, yeah, I mean you
don't it's not great to think about someone being in
your home when you're not there and sort of touching
your stuff. Like I feel like that's a fair thing
to not want.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I do it all the time.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
We thought we think it was maybe multiple people. But anyway,
So like that first holiday season we moved to La
EJ and I, you know, we were only dating for
two years, so we did the holidays separately. So I
came back one night at like midnight one am, like
from Lax. And so the way it was set up
(19:30):
is like there was to get to the front door
of our apartment, there was a driveway and then you
like make a left and then another left and then
it's the front door. So I just to illustrate, like
it's not something you would stumble upon walking on the street.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah, it's pretty hidden.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I get there, perched at the top of the steps
right in front of the front door. Is this like
fucked up nutcracker statue. It's just and it's just they're
like this staring at and I was like, I was like,
oh my god, Like how did this get here?
Speaker 3 (20:02):
What is this?
Speaker 5 (20:02):
I'm like texting all of our friends, of which we
have four because we just moved.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
To La I text all four people.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
When I was like, hey, anybody leave me like a
Christmas surprise. Everyone's like, no, that's really scary. I like
text it to EJ and EJ's sisters like check it
for cameras.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Check it for cameras.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
She's my sister, I know. She immediately goes check it
for cameras and also bombs. I was like, don't say that.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I like, rip this wooden nutcracker apart. There's nothing there.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
I like go to sleep in the house, but I
barricade myself inside of the bedroom and sleep with all
of the lights on because I'm terrified. Next day, I
go to our friend Michelle's house because I'm like, I
can't be in the house.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
It's haunted.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
I come back, there is a leak from the so
in the apartment above us, no one lives. At one point,
for one month, someone did live there, but she moved
out because she said the house was haunted and she
knows because she's a witch. She literally skipped out on
the lease, like lost thousands of dollars. She was like,
(21:04):
I cannot live there here. So I get back to
the apartment because I'm running freaking scared disilver like proper,
I marched my ass on back down to Rampart village.
I get to the bedroom in the ceiling, there's water dripping.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
And it had been raining, so I think at first.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Came in through the window. But I go up there,
I like, look at the window. There's like no open
windows in the room where the rain would where the
water would be coming from. So I was like, oh
my god, what the fuck. So I'm like, I know
the lock box cogbo for the key to get into
the studio apartment upstairs where the water's coming from. So
me and my other neighbor were like, okay, we're gonna go.
(21:46):
We're gonna check it out together. I go to the
lock box to find the key. Lock box smashed open,
key gone, okay, So we call the landlord. The landlord
calls the locksmith, and this is where the story really
kind of hits a brick wall. The landlord calls the locksmith.
The locksmith unopens the door, opens the door. He says
(22:07):
to the landlord, all right, two hundred dollars, which is expensive,
but that is how much it costs to get holiday service.
What do you get, Like that is a very normal
price for such a service.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Locksmiths they that you find you a locksmith, honey, the
locks making money.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
But basically the landlord was like, the landlord was like.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
The landlord was a horrible The landlord.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Was he like.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Alcohol.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
I asked him to fix our oven. He like, comes
to fix our oven. It is clear that it needs
to be replaced, and I was like, okay, can you
replace it? He goes, why would I replace it if
I'm gonna bull goze this place in two months and
put a fire.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Eye is really scary?
Speaker 5 (22:48):
And I say, okay, so it's rent stabilized, So that's fine.
You owe me twenty thousand dollars. Anyways, long story short,
he refuses to play the locksmith. The locksmith goes, okay,
locks the door back up, runs away. I never slept
another night in that apartment complex.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
We moved out and then but didn't.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
We find out I don't remember how we found this
out that the spot that had been leaking was where
the bathtub was. Yes, yeah, and so it.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Was like somebody died in that bout that's.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I mean, or something like it, because that only happens
if gets overflowing. I feel like it at least through
the freakin.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Yeah, we never found out, but yeah, I won't bore
you with the details, but pretty much, through some very
strategic maneuvering and searching of city records, I did find
out the apartment had been illegally subdivided and that they
could not legally collect rent from us.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, so so we basically squatted there, squatting a couple
of months in that.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
But well squatting in that. Technically the lease was so good,
but we were like we left. The last night I
spent at that place was the night the morning when
I came back and it was all wet in the bed.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, so that was crazy.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
It was like go sort of walking.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
There was definitely like really intense energy in the place.
I will say, like it was like something was dark there,
and it was. There was a lot of stuff going
on with the landlords and the people's like frogging or whatever,
but there was ghostly.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
There was definitely ghostly energy, like for sure people had
been murdered there for.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Sure, and stuff would happen in our space, like I
feel like there was stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
That we'd noticed and I'd be like, did we move that?
Speaker 5 (24:26):
But then it's like like constantly discovering crawl spaces that
were like we like were watching we At this time,
we were also running in a sort of an unpermanent
pet hotel, and we had two kittens that were staying
the US. And one morning we wake up the kitten's gone.
And these kittens belonged to the daughter of Johnny Knoxville.
(24:48):
Lovely girl.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
But we went to school with.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
So Jenny Knoxville, Johnny Knoxville, there was her name, Jenny knot.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Jenny.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Actually very nice girl we went to school with. But
I was like, cannot lose Johnny knox Hill's grand kittens
turn up. They had discovered a crawl space that had
been like painted over, but the kittens like discovered it,
like like shredded it open their way out.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
We found them. They were like two feet from the house.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, oh my, well they're Knoxvills. They probably to get hurt.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
How do you feel about Sylvia Brown?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Well, I don't know who that is.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I don't either, okay?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Is that the Long Island Medium?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I just love it? Well, I don't know that is okay.
So Sylvia Brown was before the Long Island Medium, very eighties, nineties,
two thousand's. She made a lot of predictions. She would
go on this TV show called The Montel Williams.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Oh, yes, I've seen this show.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
She would be a guest on there, and then people
in the audience would be would ask questions and she
would fire off answers. Whether she thought it out or not,
she would just go for it, and I'm sure she
was right at times, but there was definitely a lot
of not so great I mean guesses. Okay, but you
(26:19):
know what, master of improv she would roll with it.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
I mean, and that's talent.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Actually, she's real hot right now. Her I mean, she's
been done for a number of years, but her clips
have really been going around. Amy Poehler just did an
impression of her essentially on SNL. They used a different
it was like a different character, but it was Zilia Brown.
Let me show you the most iconic clip. Oh yes, geeha,
(26:44):
can you show us, honey the land stand by? We
always have this one ready to go?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Who is in our house? First of all?
Speaker 6 (26:53):
George and Hazel anchering, p I K, I G.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
This woman.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
I would look it up on you know the background
of the house.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Our house is only ten years old.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Money the land, Oh, how do you think the land
is money, honey.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
So she doesn't skip She's like, doesn't skip a beat.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
It's so funny. I like how they both have red
hair for one. Hell yeah, I mean do you believe?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
I guess I would ask both of you, what's the
degree to which you believe in the legitimacy of like
mediums psychics?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Um? Uh, not real until you prove me otherwise. Yeah,
kind of.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But there's a lot of fakers obviously.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I mean, I feel bad because I say this constantly,
but I'll say it to you, to the two of you.
I always think of it like it's sense of humor.
Everybody's got it, a little bit of something, you know.
But when you commit to being like this is my job. Yeah, yeah,
I take a lot of risks and a lot of
them bomb yes, okay, yeah, so I think it's similar.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, well, I just yeah, it's hard for me to believe.
I've been to one psychic in my life, and I
feel like, well, first of all, she asked me my
birthday before anything else, and so then she knew my
like sign or whatever, and then it just felt like
she was and I'm a pist.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Season then it just she kind of like the whole
time is.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Like you love water, and I was like, this is
not That's why the bathtub overflowed.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Of time.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
What about you, Rue?
Speaker 5 (28:30):
I think I believe in it, but I don't think
that a legitimate psychic is going on the Montel Williams show.
Like I think a legitimate psychic like maybe lives like
in a village and is like a healer, but it
doesn't have a TikTok is not like doing zoom sessions.
Is not going on Morey Povich or whatever.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Okay, because they don't need to do all that.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
They don't need to do all How do we make money?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Though?
Speaker 5 (28:52):
I mean, I think a legitimate psychic doesn't seek to
make money from their spiritual gifts.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So yeah, I cast share at the grocery store or something.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
You're just saying, sure, there's a lot of people like
that that's just living a normal life. But they are
like incredible psychics.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
They're like tapped into something.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
But let's watch Sylvia because this is I mean, I
truly consider doing this if all else fails, just from
watching her, because she's so good at just pulling things
out and going with it. Let's just watch a series
of clips from her. Jihaw, what do you got for us?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Time I go to my brother's home, my sister in
law says, you're surrounded by angels? Is that true?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Her mouth is wide open, absolutely, thank you.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
It's a shame she isn't.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Oh, oh, she's so satisfied after throwing that one out.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
She isn't.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, I mean she was a sassy lady. Do let's
see another one.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Hi, Sylvia.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
My name is Hessena and I'm about eighteen years ago.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
My father went on a business ship and never returned.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
The day that he's supposed to come, he called and
never came.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
My family search time low, no results. So I just
want to know if he's dead.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
He's alive in Florida.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Does that make sense? You know?
Speaker 6 (30:20):
That's like going out for a pack of cigarettes and
not coming back.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
It is a cigarette right now?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
No? Does that make sense? No?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I mean where she get Florida from? I don't know, but.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
The deadbeat dads go to disappear a likely place.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
But I mean, if you can just pull out like
one noun, it makes it so that you're not lying anymore,
you know what I mean? It makes it seem that way. Yeah,
asked me a.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Question, what's your earliest memory?
Speaker 6 (30:59):
No?
Speaker 1 (30:59):
No, no, about No, you have to be like a client,
and I'm Sylvia.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Okay, it is my grandmother proud of me?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Wait, I have to have my mouth wide open like
she had.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Is my late grandmother proud of me?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
No?
Speaker 2 (31:16):
See, because she's like it's also like the mouth open
is like she's concentrating so hard.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
She's channeling. I see your grandmother right now. Your grandmother says,
Your grandmother says, yes, and you should.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Go to Florida.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Does that make any sense?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yes, she's gotta deal with the Florida tourism board.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Show me another one, do you have? Please?
Speaker 6 (31:47):
Could you also tell me my spirit guides name? His
name is Malorie Mallorie Male.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
His name is Malory her name.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
But you know what, But that's why you would go, well,
she can't be making those yeah, exactly, exactly outrageous.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Well, yeah, she knew it instantly.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
What.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah. A lot of people would ask who's the ghost
in my house? What's my spirit guide's name? And she
quick as can be anytime it's like a oh, our
house is from the eighteen hundred. She would be like, uh,
what's like an old person. What's her name? Back then,
she'd be like Edmund. His name is Edmund, Edmund.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
You had a flush of sorlia, Hi, Sylvia. I was
just wondering if I had any past lives and what
they were.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Yeah, you had thirty seven past lives and your last
life was in Jerusalem and it was about one hundred
years go and you were a rabbi.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Okay, thank you. Okay. This girl is just like, okay,
thank you, thank you. That's exactly what I came here for.
Thank you. But I mean, she can just she can
just come up with it. It's just brilliant. I think
it's so good.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I would like to know my future husband's name.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Is your husband's name?
Speaker 6 (33:27):
You got a phone number within it?
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yes, Justin, Jesse, Justin, Justin?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
She said, just.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Wait, how do you know you'd have one?
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Ask you?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Thank you?
Speaker 6 (33:43):
So if a guy walked up to you and said
his name was Justin, you.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Wouldn't go out with him.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
So that got could be a billionaire, It could be
the nicest guy.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Well you wouldn't it just because his name was Justin.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I've been in a relationship for nine years and we
love each other very much.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
But he hasn't asked me to marry him yet.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Oh, well.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
He woone either.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
I'm also like, what kind of fucking gal do you
have to be like asking this obviously fake psychic a
question and then be so ten toes down rejecting what
she has to say. Kind you'd be like, yeah, no,
it's like no, you don't know, like you're putting your
trust in this.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
You don't get to switch it up on the system.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
Like no, I'm like, if you're getting on the train,
ride it to your stop.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, hey, okay, yeah, you're signing up for whatever you're
getting to be a good sport. Yeah, be a good sport.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah. Yeah. It is really random to ask such a
specific question and go no, well, i's.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
You this whole time. Yeah, I'm engaged, but it sounds like.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
But she's not even engaged because you won't propose.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Oh that's right, and he never will ring.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Well, yeah, I would be. I would be curious about that.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Yeah, nine years totally.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Now do you have any ghost stories any other ghost story?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Well, we were talking about the trip the cabin.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Oh, well, Lydia's bed breaking.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah, I guess that's not really good.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Okay, here's what I need you to channel is your
inner Sylvia? Yeah, I'm asking for a ghost story.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah, okay, give.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
It to me.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Okay, Well, I know I've heard that cats really toe
the line between the living and the dead. Dude, know
about this or is this is this part of your
like ghostliness at all?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I mean yeah, animals they say, yeah, can see ghosts
and are more.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
They're more tuned in.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Well, just before if we do want to talk about
the cabin, this is just like a quick aside before,
which is that my childhood cat died like a few
months ago and he was literally twenty two years old.
Oh my god, so he needed to go. But he
died a few months ago, and he would always get
his tongue sticking out, like his tongue would be sticking out,
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like he wouldn't realize it, but he would have his
tongue it would be.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Stuck, even getting real stupid.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Even before he got ancient. And we have two cats
in our apartment. Neither of them has ever done that.
The day my childhood cat passed, walk into the bedroom,
our cat corbyn tongue sticking out.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
That's a ghost story that.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I was kind of like, that's kind of crazy. The
day he died.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I've never seen that behavior, never seen it.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, took a picture, sent it to my family, said,
I think Dyl's spirit is here.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
What do you think that is? Do you think that
your childhood ghosts or cat, your childhood cat came in
and was like, hey, you know what'd be really funny?
Or do you think that your childhood cat is now
inside of your current cat somehow.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
I don't know if he's in side of him, but
I do feel like he there is maybe communication that
wasn't there before because he left his physical forum or
you know it is not is no longer earthside, they're
able to have a bit more of a dialogue and
feel connected.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
I think he was passing on a message to you
to be like I'm okay, Yeah, to be like I'm okay,
Like pour your love into Corbon.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Not Miriam.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
But Miriam is different energy.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
She's the other cat.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
She's just she's she's.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Got very witchy.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
We call her a little witch.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
She's a witch like.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
She she's also.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
A Halloween cat we got on Halloween on Halloween.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
But also Corbyn the cat like he's constantly especially honestly
at our last place, he would be staring at the wall.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Like blank white wall, and he's like this, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Feel like cant around see stuff. Yeah, because had a frogger,
there was somebody behind that wall moving around.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
It's like, yeah, definitely he's hearing shit.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah. Do you know if there's a TV show that's
like a frogger, like where it's like a person telling
a story and there's reenactments and like each episode is
just like one story.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
That show that used to be on the Haunting or.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Was obsessed with that.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Did you ever watch that, Joe, Oh my god, it's
like a ghost stories show.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
It would be like people, it would be like a
reality quote unquote.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I think it's called frogging Colon hide her in my
house And I started watching it on two B one time,
and it's good. And if anyone's listening, they don't know
that term. It's it's a person that's secretly living in
your house, which I think needs to be talked about
more in the conversation of ghosts.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Like yeah, because people assume ghosts and it's like, no,
it's just a guy.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, And I wouldn't doubt that that landlord that you
had probably also has an ad that's like Cross Space
two a month for the Cross Space. Can I play
you some ghost voice? It's time for EVP or ev please?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
What's EVP stand for?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Electronic voice phenomena.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
They would do this all the time on that one show.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
What's it? What was it called? Well, there's a lot
of shows, but the Haunting, The Haunting was one.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
A Haunting was one we should watch some I love
reenacting and they do a live re enactment with actors.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Oh, I get so scared.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Nothing's better than celebrity ghost stories, though, I'm telling you
should watch that one. Okay. So here's what happens. Electronic
voice phenomena is what we call in the industry whenever
a ghost is captured speaking. Sometimes it's like, oh, someone's
just taking a video and then all of a sudden likeasag,
what was that? Okay? And then people put them up
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on YouTube. I take two of them and I'm gonna
play them for you, and I want you to tell
me what you hear, okay, and then I'll give you
abc D.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
One of them is what the person that posted it
believes it's saying.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
This first one is from a person named the orb Queen, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yes, my mom's friends, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
And it appears to be like a ringcam footage and
the ORB Queen caught this. Oh clear as day? Yeah, definitely,
let me play it again.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
I know exactly what it's saying.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Can you say? Okay, wait, wait, we'll do it one more. Okay,
let's hear your guys, eja.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
I want you dead?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
What about you?
Speaker 6 (40:56):
Rue?
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Hey, put that down?
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Okay, I hear put that down.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
I hear both of yours. Well, that's not what they thought.
Did they think it was A? Hey? Do you use vine?
Maybe it's like a twenty thirteen ghost like maybe they
died then that's what they thought.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
It's way too many syllables.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
This is one option.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Okay, do they think it was B?
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Hey? Do you mind?
Speaker 4 (41:31):
I could see that?
Speaker 1 (41:32):
See? Hey, where's my head?
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (41:37):
So that one's way or D.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Near the land?
Speaker 4 (41:46):
I think B.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
I think B as well?
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Hey, do you mind? Is correct?
Speaker 6 (41:56):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Hey? Do you mind quit filming me? Okay? This next
one is from w V Ghost Chronicles. I'm guessing West Virginia.
What's this ghost saying? Oh that's good, that's good as
clear as day?
Speaker 3 (42:19):
One more time?
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Guesses.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah, one, two, three shoot, hmmm.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
That sound's really hard for me.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Can you hear them?
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Really? It sounds so so obvious.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Like to me, it sounds like a sneeze.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Well, neither of those are what they thought. Did they
think it was a progressive soup?
Speaker 3 (42:52):
That's very good?
Speaker 1 (42:53):
B aggressive two C don't threatened me?
Speaker 6 (43:03):
Or D.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
E J and rue.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Shut up? I think it's I think it was was
be the one that had two in it?
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Aggressive too, Yeah, I think it was. They think it's
se don't threaten me. It's not.
Speaker 5 (43:24):
People are like projecting so much onto these ghosts because
I feel like the presumption is I mean, I'm sure
you talk about this a lot in the show, but
the people presume sometimes malintent.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know about that one.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
Are you of the frame of mind that a ghost
is around because of unfinished business or some sort of
vendetta or do you think like some people just sort
of like incidentally become ghosts and it's random.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
I think I think if you die at PEP, this
is just one of my working beliefs. Uh huh, if
you die at peace, okay, where you're like, I know
I'm gonna die accepted it. Then you have the ability
to sort of like come visit your friends when they're
on the Manta Williams Show or whatever. Like I think
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you can like that's more the vibe you can kind
of elect. But I think if you die like instantly
and you're like what the fuck you don't even know
ye you're dead. I think I think that's one of
the things. And I and I think that goes along
with like the unfinished business thing because the people that
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were at peace, like they got their business taken care
of and they can come back because they like this
house or whatever. But then there's people that are like
stuck because they had a something that they wanted to achieve.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Or do you think ghosts are the same, Like are
ghosts the same as like you know, when someone dies and.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
People are like, like.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
You know, someone dies in they're like, oh, like if
you see like a red cardinal, like that's me coming
back or something. And then after they pass, then when
someone sees a red cardinal, they're like, oh, that's my
mom or whatever.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Is that the same as a ghost or like a
visit from a spirit or is that just like a
spirit kind of like like what is that or what's
the difference.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
I really think that if you like die at peace
or like if you figure out like to go to
the light or whatever, then I feel like you have
the powers that you could do stuff like that. That's
what I think. Yeah, Like I think if because I
also think there's people that are dead and they they're
just pissed about it and they don't want to be
dead and that's why they're ghosts. But then like if
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they go to the light, then then they have the
power to be like, my god, you'll be sickening if
I was a dragonflyer and I just like go visit them. Yeah,
I think you're like you have privileges if you're like
okay with being dead.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
But if for whatever reason, you're resisting it or like
it happens so suddenly and you don't even know that
you're dead or you're just like unhappy period, Like I
don't know. I think there's just like a lot of
reasons why people get stuck.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
So that's why I go skew children, why they why
there are more children ghosts then are there?
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Yeah, because I don't think the kids know any different.
Like I think, like they don't know how to process that.
And then all of a sudden they're just like Yead
in the eighteen hundreds in the lacey dress, and now
they're just like and they.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Always trying to play, Like I feel like I hear
stories about that where it's like.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
The coasts are always they always have a.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Ball that they're rolling, yeah, with a stick, trying to
play with you.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Yeah, you ask eighteen hundred toys.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
But like, here's my question, how did the toy become
a ghost? How did the ball? Did someone pop the
ball and now it's dead?
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Maybe their whole have to be holding the toy at
the moment.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Of what happens. It's like when you go on like
a like a time machine, like if you hop in
whatever you have.
Speaker 5 (47:03):
With you is there's some versions where you're naked, like
in the Time Traveler's Wife.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Or Austin Powers.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Right, well, maybe that's also like like maybe the toy
isn't ghostly and that's why we see things moving on
the road.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Right right, there's some questions, what do you think a bigfoot?
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Oh, well, you know, I'm a I'm from the Pacific Northwest,
so I grew up.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Where are you from?
Speaker 3 (47:31):
I'm from Pennsylvania, Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Ah, yeah, so you really your mom really might be
the orb Queen.
Speaker 5 (47:38):
No, literally, she might know or Queen Underswore Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Okay, so you grew up in the culture.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
I grew up in the culture.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
It's a very big part of the culture.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Oh. I was just recently at the Seattle Airport and
there was like so much mergeah Bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Well, and this is going to go into what we
was about to talk about, because we watched this documentary
together that you're in reference.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
But is it the one that ends up being like
a wee thing.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yes, it's really connected to that. But I do think
there's sound stuff there because I think that like there's
definitely a lot of people living off the land in
the Pacific Northwest and being sort of funny to land
the land. Fuck yeah, it's fertile as all get out
and no idea idea But anyway, yes, but we watched
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this documentary about it a little bit, but it's I mean,
do you want to explain the theory?
Speaker 5 (48:34):
Well, as I'm about to say, I don't know that
they said this in the documentary.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
They did, they did.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
Okay, because I sort of also thought this is something
I made of you take out for it. So there's
an observed phenomenon of Vietnam War veterans of like I mean,
I don't want to say feral because I think that
sort of like doesn't treat it. It's like a psychological
phenomenon where people are just like really distressed from PTSD
and so they sort of like sink into the woods
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and like do things like cover themselves with like mud,
or wear sticks in their hair or like these like
big burly men who are just sort of haunted by
the crimes they've committed under coercion by the state. Okay,
I'm not sure how politically you like to get but yeah, fine,
I think people just I think people it's I think
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it's like probably many large crazy men.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, it's like traumatized vets who like adorn themselves in
furs and they run through the woods.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Like it's like how they dressed in yellow jackets. But
it's like men in their seventies.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
I also think there's also like drugs are also obviously
a big part of this too, where it's like the
you know, the sort of like shroom and weed culture
in the.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
But how did they stay hidden.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
Well, I think they're like hermits.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah, they're really out there.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Like there's so I mean, there's so many people who
really live out there.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Well there's I mean, there's so much like densely for
it state land like in Oregon and Washington that is
really like you could fully have like a California, Yeah,
northern California where there's like I mean, that was actually
one of the most striking things about this documentary.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
We should find out what it's actually called, because we
keep referencing it.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
But like there were these like sweeping like bird's eye
view shots of just like because I grew up in
Portland and so I grew up very familiar with the
like feeling of being in a forest, like a lot
of Portland is forest honestly, but like the sweeping birds,
I view shots of like this densest like thick evergreen trees,
and you're like, anything could be happening out there.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yea's so scary to think about, like just being out.
Speaker 5 (50:40):
There scared, like when we're hiking and camping and stuff like,
I mean, this is so cliche, but I am so
much more scared to encounter like a random human than
like an animal.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Because they don't want to be found.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Yeah, what do you think about past lives?
Speaker 3 (51:01):
One believe in them and you I believe in them too.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
And I think you're just saying that because.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
I do really believe in them. I believe in them,
and I feel like my strongest evidence is just like
I really feel like some people I meet and I'm like,
we've met before. Really, I just know that I know you, Like,
I feel like the people I'm closest to for the
most part the day, like I can remember like meeting
them and being like, this is just not the first
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time we've met. There's something deeper there. There's a familiarity
that it couldn't be just like, oh, we have stuff
in common.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah, it's like the last time I swear it was
like like the Renaissance period, but I was yeah, yeah,
I feel like it's that.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (51:45):
Yeah, I definitely believe in them. My mom is a
huge believer in them. Yeah, she has my whole life,
said that she believes that we have been spending many
lifetimes together. But then also she says my sister is
in New Soul, which I mean, I think it's clear
who the favorite child is with that information. Yeah, just kidding,
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but I think, yeah, I also think just some, especially
when you work with kids, and I mean maybe this
is like because of trauma or stuff going on at home,
but some see way more wisened than the others. Like
there are just like some kids, oh kay. I used
to spend a lot of time like working in kindergarten
classrooms and there were just like a lot of kids
who had a sort of like strength and wisdom to them.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
And it wasn't maturity, it.
Speaker 5 (52:30):
Was something different of like you like you sort of
natively or like you have this like innate knowledge that
the other kids aren't working with. And I think it's
because you're like not stressing because you like have seen
all this before.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah, I think kids are really good sources of like
proof of past lives because it is like I mean,
it's kids say the darnedest things or whatever. But it's like,
I mean the amount of times, like because we both
used to work with kids a lot, like the amount
of times you would hear like a four year old
just be like no, I know, yeah, You're like this
is what this is and they're like I'm well aware.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
It's like a very I'm older than you.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Yeah, and I'm like, and you might be I don't know. Yeah,
they're so funny.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Okay, let me ask one more. Okay, conspiracy theories. Do
you have a favorite one that's like just like a
fun one.
Speaker 5 (53:24):
Great American street car scandal. I mean, I'm sure people
have said this before.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
No, what, I don't even know what that is.
Speaker 5 (53:30):
Well, it's featured in Who Framed Waja Wabbit? But it's
the idea that the Ford Company went and bought up
all brought up streetcar companies around the country and ripped
up the track so that people would be forced to participate.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
In car culture.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
I thought that was just true.
Speaker 5 (53:48):
It's not, well, they say there's not really. There was
like a whole congressional hearing.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Okay, okay, they did other things to incentivize driving though.
Speaker 3 (53:57):
Yes, I mean, of course that was not the only thing.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Yeah, But that that one's like not quite proven.
Speaker 5 (54:01):
Of like they literally like literally buying and ripping up
the tracks. It's not totally proven. Yeah, but what is
white Man's proof anyone?
Speaker 2 (54:09):
Right?
Speaker 1 (54:10):
See, this is what I come here for because it's
been new that I've brought up this question of asking
people about conspiracy theories. Because I feel like the right
has really co opted conspiracy theories. But I think there's
a lot of fun that we can have with conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Oh my god, I think we should.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
Any of them are true.
Speaker 5 (54:32):
Like I just read this book, this four hundred I mean,
my favorite kind of book is a four hundred page
book about a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
But I read, so you're really into conspiracy.
Speaker 5 (54:41):
I'm really into conspiracy well just because I'm really into
like the history.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
Do you have to sit here and listen to this
all the time?
Speaker 2 (54:47):
I actually really like it because it is very like
I'm like I'm learning stuff, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
Like that's my special interest.
Speaker 5 (54:53):
I'm really interested in like military history and like the
history of like intelligence and stuff.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
Do you know about like psych in the military.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
Are you talking about like like MK ultra.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
And yeah, like all that kind of stuff is really
I don't really.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
Know about psychic specifically that I'm interested.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Yeah, you should get out to that. I don't either.
But I know the thing that.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
I think it's a really good point though, Roz about
like us having our like leftist perspective on conspiracy theories
kind of it's like honestly important because it is like
so much of American history is like literally conspired to
make us.
Speaker 5 (55:33):
I mean like co intel pro Like I feel like
that should that is enough for anyone to like never
trust the state ever.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
Ever.
Speaker 5 (55:41):
That's like the way like the FBI, like j Agar
Hoover's FBI was like spying on like black radicals and
like student activists. At one point, they like set a
honey trap for MLK and like I don't remember exactly
what happened, but they either like got a recording or
like a video of him flirting with another woman sent
it to Kreta Scott just a fuck with his head.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
I'm like, you guys.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
Well, it's also like the move bombing in Philly like
stuff like that, where it's just like the government obviously, like.
Speaker 5 (56:11):
Say, that's when they bombed a whole city block in
my neighborhood growing like I was. I was like twenty
years before I was born, but like so many people
don't know that. In the eighties, like the US government
fully burned down an entire city block in West Philadelphia
like fifty or something homes to yeah, and killed a
bunch of black radicals because there was a bunch of.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
Black radicals, Like like families children like extended families, and
that like literally bombed them because the government was afraid
of them, you know, and that which is like nothing new,
of course they've been doing this forever, but like stuff
like that where I'm like, why would yeah, like why
would we believe these the state? Why did you go
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with them?
Speaker 6 (56:51):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (56:52):
I know, I know? Hey, where can we find you?
Speaker 3 (57:03):
You can find.
Speaker 5 (57:05):
You can follow me on Instagram at rue dot on
dot the dot web just ru on the web dots
between the words how about you.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
My name on Instagram and TikTok is EJ having fun?
Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yea, well, I'm so happy you both joined me.
Speaker 4 (57:24):
God, thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
I need to like for doing this.
Speaker 4 (57:27):
Watch I'm going to watch a lot of live re
enactments of.
Speaker 3 (57:30):
I cannot watch that show like the Frogging show that
will I can't.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
I promise you you could because it's so scary it
was made. I think I was watching it in like
two thousand and six.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
And the Haunting show.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
Yeah, yeah, like I was in elementary school. I promise
you it's not scary like the effects, that visual effect.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
I don't like that. At least you have somebody to
watch it with.
Speaker 2 (57:57):
On a rainy day.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
I always put that when I'm all by myself, like
to go to bed and then I can't sleep.
Speaker 4 (58:03):
Do you like horror movies?
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Do you watch room?
Speaker 1 (58:05):
Love them?
Speaker 2 (58:06):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (58:07):
All right, bye bye? Thank you so much to EJ
and Rue Oh. I love them, and thank you for listening.
I love you all, both living and dead. But if
I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.
Okay bye. This has been an exactly right production. Want
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sound designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker
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is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. My theme music is by
the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon, artwork by the Spooky
Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the Terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced
by the Chilling Karen Kilgarareff, the Spooky Georgia hart Stark,
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