Scotty Landes and Kurt Braunohler Laugh at Fear

Roz is transfixed by Bananas podcast hosts Kurt Braunohler and Scotty Landes as they cover nail biting topics like haunted hotels, a New Jersey urban legend, and vardøgers. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
What's that at the foot of my bed.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
It's spooky and joky.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Wait a minute, Hey, I've ghost said.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm Nandaz Collease, hey boo, it's me Roz. Welcome to Ghosted,
but Raz Hernandez. I'd like to talk to people that
I like about things that make me go eek. Today

(00:44):
I'm going to be doing that with Scotti Landis and
Kurt Braunoler. You may know from the podcast Bananas here
unexactly right, I've been on Bananas. Go back and listen
to it. We had a great old time. Before we
get into that, two things. First thing, I feel like
I should reiterate this dolls that we talk about on

(01:05):
the show sometimes if we're like super duper talking about
visual elements. I post those on the Instagram for this podcast,
which is at Ghosted by ros I post it in
the pinned stories, So you just go to the page.
You'll see a little circle that says dolls at a

(01:25):
little circle that says stuff or something like that, and
that's where you can find those. So if you listen
to these in the future or something, they'll be up there.
You'll still be able to see them. People are constantly like,
I want to see the doll, and I'm like, that's
where it's there. Our promise, just click where it says dolls.
The other thing, I wanted to tell you a story

(01:47):
that I found in my email which is ghosted by
ros at gmail dot com, and this one comes from
Carly Ray. Carly Ray has a story from this past
Mother's Day. Carly Ray writes, it was Mother's Day. We
had just had dinner and drinks with my mom and

(02:07):
came back home to have a camp fire. For context,
I'm thirty eight years old, but my mom is my
landlord slashed downstairs neighbor, and there is a central fire
pit in our apartment complex that everyone shares, which is
right in front of her apartment. Anyway, my boyfriend, brother

(02:29):
friend Tony, and myself were all drinking by the fire.
My mom went in to go to bed a little
while earlier. I glanced up as I saw movement and
I see my mom run from across her window to
her front door super fast and hide behind the wall

(02:53):
by the door. She puts her hand on her forehead
to focus and peers out. Everyone is drunk at this
point and not paying attention, but I'm staring right at
my mom, wondering what the fuck is she doing. I yell, Mom,
why are you acting so creepy? What are you doing?

(03:15):
I figured she was mad at us for being loud
but not responding, which was weird. So I get up
and walk towards the door. I don't see her anymore,
and assuming she stormed off or something angry, I knock
on the door. I yell, sorry, Mom, we're loud. Nothing.

(03:36):
She doesn't come to the door, so I'm like, Mom,
what are you doing? Hello? It takes me like five
knocks before she comes to the door. She's wearing pajama
pants and a black shirt, totally sleeping. Groggy. She opens
the door. I say, Mom, why are you acting like
you were sleeping? I literally just saw you looking out

(04:00):
at us groggy. She says, I never came to the door.
I've been sleeping. Why did you wake me up? It's
then that I looked at her outfit and realized that
the figure I saw was wearing all white. My mom
is wearing all black. So I wandered back to the fire,

(04:23):
honestly not believing my own eyes. I kept thinking, man,
I must have had like way too much to drink.
I was embarrassed, so I didn't tell anyone what I saw.
After trying to debunk this experience all week, we have
another campfire and I explained to my mom and boyfriend
what I saw, thinking I was telling them a hallucination

(04:46):
story or something. And my boyfriend, who is not into
the paranormal stuff like me, and can you usually explain
everything rationally, he chimes in and he says, oh, my god,
I thought that was your mom.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
I saw her.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
She was wearing a white nightgown peering out at us
for a creepy amount of time. He said. The reason
he didn't say anything is because he just assumed it
was my mom. Because I didn't say anything. That night,
I screamed out loud because I was so validated.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
That night.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
We ended up recreating all the conditions, lighting, clothing, et cetera.
And there was no way we could have seen my
mom peering out or it would have been too dark.
The figure was like eliminated from within, but not glowing,
just visible in the dark. Super creepy. She was looking
in my eyes. Anyway, that's my story. Nothing has happened since.

(05:43):
But the building was built in the eighteen sixties, I believe.
And my mom just said, I've lived here so long,
I'm not scared of a girl and a nightgown, which, yeah,
she wasn't scary at all in retrospect. I mean I
walked right up to her thinking it was my mom.
Oh my god, Carly Ray from Wisconsin, thank you for

(06:05):
sending that. I don't even know what to make of that.
I mean, it does sound like one of my favorite things,
sort of like an astral projection, Like was it a
version of your mom as she's sleeping, She's just sort
of roaming around in the spiritual form. I mean, I
love that idea, but it wasn't white nightgown, which is
very eighteen hundreds ghost.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
If anything else happens, be sure to let us know.
Carla Ray, all right, it's time for me to talk
to Scotti Landis and Kurt Brownholer and with the show.
Oh my god, I am joined by some of my

(06:50):
new family members at exactly right. Please welcome to the show.
Kurt Brownholmer and Scottie Landis.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Hello, Oh my gosh, thank you for having us.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
So happy to be here.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
I am so happy to have both of you guys,
and I am a fan of both of your works.
I've already told Scotty how much the movie Ma Means
to Be, which I think is just one of the
most brilliant films. Well, I just love it to death.
I actually the line, don't make me drink alone. I
don't drink I'm eight years sober. But every time I

(07:26):
have a friend over and I offer a Lacroix and
they don't take one, I always go down. Make me
drink alone.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
That's a good one. Kurtz, Curti B.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Is it Curti B and Scottie the Stallion?

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Is that? What say? Okay?

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yes, We're built very similarly to those two, same body type,
same shape, same everything.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
I completely forgot that you have an appearance in Barbarian Yes,
which is another brilliant horror film of the past few years,
also written by a hilarious person. And I'm just loving
this horror renaissance comedy like there's this is an exciting
time for spooky and funny people.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
It is.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, it really started.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
It seemed like with like Jordan peele as everybody knows
to get out, but then everybody raced towards it and
the best part is classically, like comedic writers were very
good at writing horror, and now it feels like the
only genre that we can all do to get movies made.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
So it's a fun time.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
I think it's a very similar muscle. You know, in
both comedy and in horror, you're just like manipulating expectations
to create like a moment, a surprise, a surprise.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
And in comedy it's a surprise it causes you to laugh,
and in horror it's a surprise it caused you to jump.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Right, it's involuntary, like the reaction. Yes, if it's good,
there's no.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Hiding h When I saw Midsummer I laughed so much
I actually apologized to the theater. I was like, I'm
so sorry, but this is so funny like that, my
scared response is genuine laughter, not even nervous laughter.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
It's out of fear. Though it's not like laughing at it.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
No.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
I because I really enjoy him.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
I mean, it's my favorite genre to watch, but I
just there's something about that surprise that feels like a
punchline or something.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, And it's almost like a oh you motherfucker, you
got me? Yeah, Yeah, yeah, damn it. Yeah, it's gotta
like that true.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Well, I want to know how you guys feel about
the pair of Normal.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
I'm a huge fan you.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Are, Okay, So, like, broadly speaking, where are you guys
at when it comes to the unknown For a.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Person who has had no like I've never seen a
ghost or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
How'd you get in here?

Speaker 1 (09:47):
It's shocking because I would love to because I do
believe there is an interconnectedness between life and death that
is like ever present in the world, and so I'm
a for it. But I think Scotty's a candidate for
it as well. We're just we're just waiting. We're waiting,
like we've had spooky situations, We've had like weird eerie things,

(10:10):
but no actual physical ghost yet yet. But I say yet,
because we're excited and interested in it, and I believe
in everything.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
When I was a teenager, I you know, thought I
knew everything and was a jerk and was like, none
of that stuff's real. And then slowly over time I
just realized how much more enjoyable life is if you
kind of just stay open to all of it, Like
if somebody's like I really do believe in the lockness monster.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
I go, me too, that's great, and I would love
it if it was real.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
I would love if Bigfoot just walked out of the
woods one day into our hearts. But for right now,
I just say yes to everything and just hope to
see aliens and any cryptids, any ghosts I'm in, I
want to see them.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
And when you say paranormal, are we talking to aliens.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Let's talk at all. Aliens, psychics, ghosts, Bigfoot, all of that.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
When I moved to a lay, many of my closest
friends or women who would not tell me they went
and saw psychics. But there's a place in Echo Park,
Ont House of Intuition that's up these really long stairs.
Hell yeah, And I saw so many of my friends
going up those stairs, just driving up and down Sunset.
I'd be like, oh, there she goes, Oh there she goes.

(11:20):
So I'm open.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
To all of it.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
They got great candles there, great candles for manifesting crystals,
you name it. I mean, I'm sorry, but you moved
to this town. It's hard to escape the crystals and
a psychic or two.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
You gotta believe it something, yes, exactly.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
So do you have any kinds of stories? Maybe we
could break them down and say, ooh, maybe that was
a ghost or maybe that was something.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
When we were doing our podcast Bananas, my New Year's
resolution for the year twenty twenty two was to see
a ghost.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
It was yes.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
I was like, I'm going to set out to see
a ghost. So I stayed in a lot of haunted hotels.
Wait what I visited haunted places?

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, tell me the whole everywhere you went.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
So there's one called the Lodge in cloud Croft, New Mexico,
where there is a ghost named Rebecca. It was a
prohibition bar in the on a mountaintop in the middle
of New Mexico. And if you sit and drink by yourself,
sometimes your glass slides across the table and it's Rebecca,
who was I don't remember her full backstory, but she's

(12:31):
like a brassy redhead that used to hang out the bar.
Maybe one of the patrons killed her, so she still
haunts the halls. I went to the Cecil Hotel in
downtown LA.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Can't that be condensation?

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, we're just so drunk and it's out of tilt.
That's slightly out of tilt. Yeah, possibly, but let's say
it's Rebecca.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
But I like the Rebecca story better. Yeah, but I've
had that happen with my cup as a little little
moist underneath.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Hm. Could it be both? Could it be both?

Speaker 3 (13:03):
I always like that. That is always my favorite.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
I went to Catholic school, and I don't know, I
think it was slightly liberal Catholic school. Yes, and so
it's like a bunch of fourteen year old boys who
were like, uh, duh, the Bible's not real.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
We had one religion class where they went through like
miracles and they're like, here's how the miracle actually happened
on earth, like the splitting of the Red Sea where
Moses like separates the Red Sea. That's they can pass safely.
They're like on certain low tides, if the wind was
blowing in this direction, this stretch of land would become visible.

(13:44):
And like they showed us how like but they were
still like God's doing all of this, but he's using
like physics and stuff like that, and that's what we're
always just like uh okay, and like and then we
were right back in. We're right back in, like the
ibl is real.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
I grew up Catholic, and I'm actually obsessed with Catholic miracles,
especially like in more modern times. I mean, sure there's
like the Jesus on your toast kind of thing, but
like there's also been some sightings where many people have
claimed at the same time they all saw someone that
they think was Mary or whatever. And I think a

(14:23):
lot of times people don't include that kind of stuff
in the paranormal conversation because it's hard because there's always
going to be a group of the religious people that
their mind is made up. There's no question what that is.
It's unfortunate because I think it is kind of paranormal
whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Jesus was the og. He was the original ghost man,
I mean zombie.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Really he came back, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
He did, that's right, and Angel brought him into this world.
Kind of how that happened, Yeah, and start to finish
makes you wonder.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Unless Mary is not telling us something.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
This zombies blood, smart and eat this zombie body. That's
just everybody accepts it.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
I'm very much not Catholic anymore. But anytime I'm in
a situation where I need I need a miracle to happen,
I sit there and I tell Jesus, listen, I drank
a lot of your blood. I ate a lot of
your body. I didn't know. I didn't ask what part
of your body it was. I just ate it, So

(15:29):
could you do me a solid?

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Another thing that they would always like hammer into us
in Catholic schools the idea of transubstantiation, where like, once
the priest does the ritual, this bread is the body
of Christ. It's actually the body of Christ. They just
kept saying that over and over again. We never talked
about what part of his body it was. Yeah, which

(15:54):
part is this little slice of him?

Speaker 2 (15:58):
How big was this guy exactly?

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Because I don't think they condensed his whole body into
that loaf. I think it was a part of him.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yes, And that's the thing when you are raised very
young with those beliefs, there's no question that that is
what is actually happening here right This bread is now Jesus. Yes,
this wine, whether you're twenty one or not, Ma, you're
allowed to drink it is his blood. And I'm sitting

(16:27):
there eight years old, like I'm drinking his blood like
it was never a question. So to me, that kind
of like made a basis or whatever in my brain
for the paranormal the possibility it's true.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, I went to Catholic school too. Did either of
you have a priest who would dip the Eucharist in
the wine before eating it?

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Because I did, like an Oreo.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
Yes, he would hold like the super Eucharist and like
the superuie a superhist and then he would dip it
and then eat it. And like I, you know, nobody
loves well, some people really love watching people eat, but
I don't love watching anyone eat. And I just remember
sitting there watching him just savoring it, like dipping it
like a notch.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
In salsa and just going for it.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Well, you know what's funny. Not that long ago, out
of curiosity, I went to Amazon and I wanted to
see if they sell you grass, like if you could
buy a bag of Oh they do, oh wow? Because
I was like, that wouldn't be bad with you know,
a red pepper hummus or something.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
I love that for a cocktail party, just have a
bunch of yugris, because it should be totally fine. It's
not the body of Christ. There's nothing holy about it
until it's been blessed.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yes, I don't have the powers to turn this into Jesus.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yes, I'm looking it up now you can absolutely get them.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
You can get a bag of am oh.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yes, you can get the Vegfest Bread of Life Alter
Bread Wheat hosts one thousand pieces for twenty one fifteen
on Prime.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
That's not bad.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
You could put chocolate on it. You could do it savory.
You could.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
We did a story on bananas once about how many
wafers would it actually take to make one Jesus And
the answer was like some insane number, and how many
like bottles of wine?

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Just well to be fair like back then, he was
probably smaller, you know.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah little he's a littler man.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, little guy.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
But anyway, okay, wait, I'm going to go back to you,
said Cecil Hotel, Scotty. Yes, you went to the infamous
downtown Los Angeles Cecil Hotel. Yes, you actually stayed there.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
I didn't end up staying we I was working on
a show and we were going to try to evoke
a demon there.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
What show was this.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
It's called bad Ideas. It was on Quibi now it's
on Roku.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
We were going to do the inherent worst idea you
can do wherever you travel. And so we brought in
a witch and we went to Cecil Hotel. We went
to some of the rooms where people had jumped out
of the windows. Oh my god, it's a super creepy
place for anybody who's never been. And I know a
lot of people have seen the video of the poor
girl that kind of like lost herself and then drowned
in the water tower. We had a custodian take us

(19:16):
up to the higher floors and he took us to
some of the most haunted rooms and there were people
still like wandering those hallways. Certain on house people would
sneak in there. Then some of it was sort of
an airbnb rental situation.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
And then some of it was full time cheap affordable housing.
And then there was like an empty block of maybe
eight floors in the middle. So the whole building feels
weird just with the presence of people.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
There's an eight floor block of emptiness.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yes, what it was six or eight floors right in
the middle.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
So like the first two you can like rent if
you're like from out of town, which is what happened
to the young woman who was so scared in the elevator,
And there's like affordable housing rental by the week or
whatever on maybe the top few floors something like that,
and then in between there's a bunch of abandoned floors terrifying.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Oh my god, that's so creepy.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Some floors had shared bathrooms, so you would go out
and use like kind of a public bathroom, but some
had showers over carpeted floors with a drain in the middle,
which is very strange, which would make me jump out
of a window.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Maybe whoa wait, wait wait, there was a carpeted floor,
like in the shower.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
In the room there was a shower head and a
drain and it was fully carpeted floor.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Oh god, very weird stuff. So we were like, yes,
let's do it. And then they caught wind of what
we were going to do, and they wouldn't let it
do it because they're doing like a rehab on it.
So they're going to try to turn it into a
new hotel with a new name called like Living Spaces
or something.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Are you joking? Is that the real name.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
It's something close to that. We could look it up,
but it really is going to be called like Cool Life.
So I asked this custodian who is probably like sixty,
serious guy, nice guy, like let us in wherever we
wanted to go, and I saw a guy walk down
the end of the hall. I was like, do people
stay on this floor? He's like, they come to use
the bathroom some different floors or whatever. So I said,
do you ever see ghosts or anything weird in this building?

(21:08):
Do you ever see demon's ghosts? And he looked at
me and goes, every day you see ghosts here?

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Every day? He goes every day I see something? What?
And so we were like, we have to shoot here.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
And then yeah, they found out that we were going
to try to evoke a demon and they were like, no,
we're trying to change the rep Wow.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
I've only been in it one time. I kind of
snuck in with my friend and we just like got
on the elevator and like went up and started walking around.
I mean, it's creepy. But also my dear friend who
is an exorcist our Age Savis. She's been on this
podcast a few times. She has a book called Sister

(21:45):
of Darkness, and she talks about in the book cause
she believes that the worst kind of energy is like
sort of in that area of downtown Lay and that
building is like the eye of the storm, which to
me kind of seems legit because so much bad stuff
has happened in that one building.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Yes, you know, they put in new restaurants and stuff
all around that, but even when you're in those places,
it feels weird down there.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
It's a strange part of the city. Oh.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
I used to do all kinds of just different gigs
in downtown LA. Sometimes these venues would have like basement
dressing rooms and like just like going down there and
it's like where eye level with graves right now? Is
what I always think anytime I'm in a basement. I
well like that have also like what kind of secrets
are down here? Like who knows?

Speaker 4 (22:35):
They're old buildings. They're like over one hundred years old,
some of those buildings, and so it's very creepy and
eerie down there.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Cut to people in Europe, they're like one hundred years old. Okay,
so you didn't stay there, but is there other places
that you stayed Roosevelt Hotel, Oh, yes, classic.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
The Marshall Inn in Georgia.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
I went to as many as I could like get
to in that calendar year and didn't see anything. But
Kurt and I, one of our best friends, got married
at the Stanley Inn in ST's Park, Colorado, which you
knows iconically haunted.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
The inspiration for the Shining.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
That's right, And so the most haunted room is two seventeen.
When we got checked in, I was dating a woman
at the time, and she's like, very scared of that stuff,
and she said, what room was it?

Speaker 2 (23:25):
In it? And we were in two nineteen, so we
were directly next door to that room, but I didn't
want to tell her, and I was like, oh, I
don't know. I think it's on the third floor.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
And then they have a channel that plays the Shining
twenty four hours a day without commercials, NonStop, and so
she turned it on and saw immediately that was twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
She's like, you asshole, and so we switch wings.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Ah.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
So I've never seen a ghost, but the only time
I've ever had something that was very strange was the
wedding's happening. It's a great reception in the hotel. Kurt
was wearing a kilt, okay, and so the whole time
you're there, even when there's a wedding going on, I
guess they probably stopped around then.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
But they give ghost tours, they give haunted.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
Tours of that hotel to tourists probably every hour or
two all day long, so we all kind of knew
it was haunted or whatever. But in the main lobby,
if you want to go to use the restrooms, you
have to go down this huge staircase that goes down
in the middle and then up on the sides. I
was walking down the stairs mid reception, was not loaded,
you know, wasn't drunk or anything. And when I was

(24:24):
walking down the stairs, I just heard a voice so
simply go hey. And I turned and I was standing
in the middle of the staircase by myself, and I
just smiled.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
I was so happy.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
It was like the only time I've ever had a brush.
But it was just like if I walked up behind
you on an elevator and just went hey.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Like it was that close.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
I thought it was one of our friends just being like, hey, Scottie,
where you're headed.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
It was so casual.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
And I looked around and there was nobody coming up down,
nobody in the lobby, and I just went down to
the bathroom and I was like, I think that was it.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
I think that was what that feels like. It was great.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
So that's when I started to really be like I
kind of leaving everything. It was very strange, damn very
casual though, like hey, I didn't respond, but I was happy.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
I was like, oh, this is this.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
But after that happens, you have to sleep in that building.
That doesn't affect your ability to sleep there.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
So that night we pass out and in the middle
of the night, I hear like men yelling, and I'm
already kind of a little wired because of that experience,
and so I go over and look out the window.
I thought it was like a bunch of the wedding
people hanging out by the pool, you know, keep drinking
or doing drugs or whatever.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Nobody's out there. It's just pitch black. I'm like, oh
my god, this is it. This place is haunted.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
There's like screaming happening outside of this hotel or in
this hotel. So I'm the first up in the morning.
I go down, I get a bloody Marry. I'm sitting there,
I'm talking the bartender, and a comedian comes in and
sits down.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I was like, did you hear yelling all night in
the hotel?

Speaker 3 (25:58):
No?

Speaker 4 (25:59):
And our tender goes, what did it sound like? I
was like, what sounded kind of like and he goes, oh, yeah,
those are the elk. The elk are rutting. When the
male elks come basically they go oh, oh.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Gosh, so we're cutting that part out of this. We're
not keeping that part.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Fine with me.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
It is a crazy noise. It is a crazy noise.
Because the very next day Scotty left and we all
took mushrooms and went into this National park and like
hiked up to this like Alpine Lake, and as we
were coming back down, we knew it was like elk
rutting season and you have to be like careful because
when they're like mating, they get aggressive. And then we

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come down and like we're all tripping and then it's
just two well in the middle of like a big
field and we're like maybe thirty five feet away from them.
And they're such big animals.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Huge.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
We were talking about this recently and I said one
of them was sixteen feet tall. And it's not sixteen
feet tall, probably not, but it's like nine feet tall,
do you know what I mean? With the antlers?

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Oh my god, and they are just like.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Like it sounds like screaming. It's so crazy.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, were they getting freaky deegy.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
They don't have to be necessarily orgasming. They make it
also to like attract each other, so that one was
just making it.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Oh my god, So then the lady elks are like,
oh my god, his.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Sounds hot is so hot.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
It was weird to hear. I do think something said
hello to me or hey, it was very strange.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
I'm buying it. I mean, if you look around, there's
no one there, so I'm meanto ghost hunting, and a
really cool thing has come out of there. In the
world of ghost hunting, a lot of techniques have been
around for forever and then like sometimes there's a new one. Nowadays,
it's like what could even be real because of the
way that everyone can reproduce things on their phone and

(27:55):
everything seems so fake and whatever. But there was this
technique that was developed there by these three ghost hunters
Connor J. Randall, Michelle Tait, and Carl Feiffert shout out.
They figured out this way. It's called the Estes method. Okay,
there's a device called a spirit box that basically scans
radio frequencies and you know, so people will ask a

(28:18):
question like what's your name? And then you'll hear like
it depends on what kind of speed you want to
put it out, but it'll be like Sarah, because it'll
kind of pick up from a radio station or whatever.
So whatever could easily be debunked. But what they decided
to do. One person plugs that into noise canceling headphones

(28:38):
and blindfolds themselves like sensory deprivation, Oh my gosh. And
then another person will be like, what's your name? And
then they just say what they hear out loud. They'll
be like Sarah, like whatever, so they'll start saying things.
And sometimes people will do this and they have like
full on conversations between each other. I've done it a
few times. I think it's legit. Every time I've done

(28:58):
it before, I'm like, this seems real. I don't know
how else to describe it.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
What does the spirit box do?

Speaker 2 (29:05):
It?

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Just like scans.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
It's basically like if you're just like changing dials like
real quick on like a radio, and so sometimes you'll
hear something like Coca cola from like a commercial or something,
or like you'll just like hear things, but when it
lines up, you know I've done it before. Where you're
like what's your name? And then it's like Sarah, and
then it's like how'd you die? And then all of
a sudden it'll be like I foul. It's very strange.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Oh interesting, I like that.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
It's cool.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
But it all came out of there from them doing
investigations at that hotel.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
It's a beautiful hotel.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
What's fascinating is like the guy who created the hotel,
he was an inventor and he was famous for something
called the Stanley Steamer.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Wait, that was Stanley Steamer. Yeah, the Stanley seaberg gets
a carp is cleaner.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
No, so they took that name later. But the original
Stanley Steamer was a competitor with the model t Ford
the combustion engine, So instead of a combustion engine, it
actually was a steam engine driven car. And so they
have one in the lobby where you can like look
at it and it's just like, oh, this could have
been the way that we went forward, but nope, nothing

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happened with it just died there.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Now the ghost of it lurks around the lobby. Okay,
other stories, anybody.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
I have a place near where I grew up in
New Jersey. That's legendary, very Haunted Road. The name of
it is Essex Road in Tinton Falls, New Jersey, but
everybody called it Albino Road. And it was just like
out on the edge of town, past some soccer fields
near the printing press for the Asbury Park Press where

(30:54):
they like printed the newspaper for that area. And it
was just a very creepy feeling road. You could go
down that road at like noon on a hot summer
day and there was just something creepy about it. But
what you actually would do was go down it at night,
and when you drive on to it, there was a
route that you would take. And this is just like

(31:15):
it's a road that like kind of curves. It's always curving,
and it goes through some like wetlands area. There's no
reason for the road. It doesn't really connect any two things,
just like.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
A one way one lane kind of a thing.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
It's two lanes, you can go both ways, but like
the correct way to like get freaked out was to
drive it this way because you would enter. And then
the whole story was these teenagers had been killed on
the road and there and and the police outlines of
their bodies no matter how many times they get painted

(31:47):
over would reappear cool at like midnight or something, and
so on the ground was like multiple body outlines, but
they were but they were done hastily by children who
didn't want to get hit by cars, so they were
like always done like just a little bit wide. They

(32:11):
didn't want to get like spray paint on somebody's shirt
or something. So it was these outlines that were like people,
like very bloated, alien like people. And then I remember
they get painted over and somebody would always put them back,
which I really appreciated. The last time I saw it,
which was still you know, I don't know how many
decades ago, someone had added a dog, which I thought

(32:36):
was just like what a beautiful touch, like the police
would put.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
An outlined around the dog.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
It was a meme or it was like an idea,
like it was a viral idea, pre internet totally, so
like what people had been doing since the seventies. I
believe there would be a line on the ground that
said start here, turn lights off. Oh fun, and it
was all spray painted in and so you're supposed to

(33:02):
go at midnight and stop at that line and then
turn your lights off and then drive the whole length
of the road with your lights off. The final moment
was that you were supposed to drive up towards It's
like what looked like an abandoned house, sure in the
middle of the woods, but it actually had people living
in it, and they were just an older couple who
just wanted to be left alone so that they would

(33:22):
like chase people who like drove up their driveway because
it just happened every other night. So obviously the more
they chase people, the more stories, you know, all that
sort of stuff, but none of them all like kind
of made sense together.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
That's a really good one because the fact that people
can keep, the fact there's interaction with it makes it
so much more interesting because they can paint it black
or they can put asphalt over it, whatever, and then
you know, somebody or multiple somebodys are gonna be like,
we're gonna go paint those bodies again. It's fun that
it's like living history.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah, it's a tradition.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yes, I love that.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
The collectiveness of it is so beautiful.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
I think there's a philosophy that I'm really obsessed with it.
In the paranormal where a lot of times these places
because yeah, like all towns have these urban legendy kind
of things, and there's this idea that has a couple
of different names, like one of them being thought form,
where if enough people are putting this energy into this
thing being real, it can manifest.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah, And there have been some experiments where no one
died in this location, but they manifested a ghost in
this location. Kind of.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
It's some kind of far out there stuff, but I
think it could be real.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I mean, it's no more out there than the Secret
the twenty million totally sold book of the United States.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Totally. It's all wrapped up in the same thing, which
I think in some ways it can be like prayer,
like it's all connected, it's all the same.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah. I like what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
That's a cool idea that, like, if we all believe
in something enough and we all and we just repeat
the story enough that that thing can manifest itself, is great.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
It's like some comedians that aren't funny but enough people
said they are that now they just like are famous,
and that happens.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
That happens. Have you ever talked about Vartigers on this podcast?
You know, I've read about those.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
I don't know a few months ago, and then I
keep thinking about my childhood and if I ever experienced it,
and I kind of feel like once you tell to people,
it sort of sticks with them. It's like a Norwegian
ghost or spirit that's not evil, but basically it is
the kind of thing that if if you're sitting at
home and your partner walks in the door and you

(35:34):
kind of see them out of the corner your eye
go to their room and you hear them put down
their keys or like close the door, all the things
they sort of do, you can smell them, and then
your actual partner walks in two minutes later.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
It does the exact same thing.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
In Norwegian culture, that's called a vartiger, and they feel
like it's an energy or a spirit that leads a
normal person's energy. Is sort of like kind like a
guardian angel, but it doesn't really do anything. It just
as kind of tricky.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
I love that idea, and the more I think about it.
There was two years where I lived at my grandmother's
farm when I was a kid. I was probably eight
nine to ten that range, and it was a real
farm and have garden and all that stuff. The more
I keep thinking about it. There were so many times
where I would like, hear the screen door slap shut,
hear somebody walk through the house, Here's something happened in

(36:22):
the kitchen, and then like kind of go to find
either one of my parents or my grandmother, and they
would all be all working out in the garden or
sitting on the deck or whatever.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
And then I'd go back and do what I was doing.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
And then my grandmother would come in and do the
exact same actions in that sequence. This is the only
thing I've ever heard that I was instantly like, wait,
that feels like something they considered a reverse de ja vous,
Like it's something that happens to you that leads to
you feeling like something else is about to happen.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
I love that idea also in the fact that like
if we assume like ghosts or whatever, people not of
this plane are freed from the bounds of ex experiencing
time in the same way that we experience time. Like
preceding something yes makes just as much sense as like
coming after you know, and like repeating totally the pre

(37:11):
repeating for them makes as much sense.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Well, it sounds kind of like a doppelganger, you know,
which is like a ghost that is basically doing some
Saturday night live impression of somebody else. Right, they got
the prosthetics, they look just like whoever.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
But another thing that it kind of sounds like is
astral projection. And I love those stories too, where it
seems like your spiritual body can leave your physical body.
And I've heard very similar stories to what you've described
with that kind of being maybe the theory. I had
an experience like this that I've told on the show

(37:50):
before where I was taking a nap and my now
ex but at the time we were together, he came
up to me and was like, Hey, I'm going to
the store. Do you want anything? And I was sleeping
and I was like no, like what I'm sleeping. And
then a couple minutes later he did it again, standing
in the same area whatever, same exact words, cadence, everything,

(38:13):
and I was like no, and he was like, okay, God.
I was like, I said, now you know, I was
probably like that. And then as soon as I had
woken up, he comes back from the store. I was like,
why did you did you do that twice? He's like, no,
I only did it once. He goes, but I did.
I thought about doing it, but I didn't want to
wake you up.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
I'm like, I wonder if it was that thought somehow
in my dream state got intertwined. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
That's it. And that's what it is. Like with doppelgangers.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
They're sort of evil and they kind of want replace
you and like work you out and like you know,
do horrible things. But with these things, it's all about
like premonition, like when you when you have that feeling
of dread and like something's going to happen, and something happens.
This is just the location and the actions of something
that you're extremely familiar with, or a person you're familiar

(39:01):
with kind of comes in the door first, like they
just are walking two minutes ahead of you doing all
this stuff. And the example you gave is the perfect example.
When you start to think about times in your life,
we were like, did that person just get on the
elevator and then then get on the elevator again? Like
it is a really weird thing, especially because it's somebody
you know. It seems to be only amongst people that

(39:24):
know the routines of other people.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
It's also kind of like final destination, like premonition, like
seeing something happen before it happens.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Yes, yeah, I was thinking about that lady that was
in the news yesterday that said that the person on
the plane was imaginary and not real and then.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Got off the flight. Oh yeah, what was that?

Speaker 4 (39:45):
I think it was probably a mental health crisis. But
she also seemed kind of drunk at the same time.
But yes, she walks into the plane says, I'm getting off.
I'm getting off. I don't care what any of you say.
That person is not real. And it's like pointing at
somebody in the back and is like saying they're not real,
and she gets off.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
I would have followed her so quickly.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Ros we needed you.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
I have said, where are we going, I'm out of here.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
There's a Chili's terminal toob Yes, that's exactly right. We're
going to Chili's too, and we're getting some rasmataz dackers exactly.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
And I got some a bag of eucharists in my
carry on. Let's get some caso and let's party.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
But if that plane a crash, then you're talking final destination,
like the fact, I'm so glad it did it, and
that's everybody was safe. But if that plane had gone
down after that woman did that, what that would have
People had been talking about that forever, not for seventy
two hours.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
She'd be on this podcast so quickly, I'd pay whatever
appearance fee it took. Oh my god, Hey, you guys
want to see a haunted doll?

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Absolutely, Okay, it's time for a segment I like to
call the dolls are living? Okay, So here's what I do.
I go to places like eBay dot com and I
find dolls that people post and they claim are haunted.
A lot of times they come with their own little backstories.

(41:13):
The one we've got for you today, she is a
discount diva. She is only going for five dollars currently
or best offer.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Let's get that number up.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
I'm I am kidding you. Just yesterday I was looking
at these. I saw one for fifteen thousand dollars. When
I see five dollars, that to me says, just get
this doll out of my house. It is haunted. Yes, jiha,
could you throw up the picture here? She is Selene?

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Well, she's bigger than she's bigger than cards. We know
she's a bigger than cards.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
She's next to a deck of cards, just so people
know her height. So, yep, this is Selene right here.
She has got gorgeous hair for these dolls, gorgeous, some ringlets,
an updo hat matching the dress. How are we feeling

(42:08):
about her so far? I'll tell you a bit about.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Her, honestly, not looking haunted to me, right, Scotty, that
seems like a relatively I don't want to say good looking.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Doll, don't.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
I mean, she is beautiful.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
It's a beautiful doll.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
She seems like more of a woman doll, you know.
Sometimes they're like little baby girls or something. But she
seems very mature.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Seems like a West World style doll. That's what it
seems like.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Okay, well, here's what it says about her. Now, keep
in mind, this is what we're gonna hear about is
the ghost inside of her. It has nothing to do
with what the actual doll looks like. So it says
Celene is a sweet spirit. I believe this is a
fairy spirit. But she seems to like humans to the
point of wishing that she was a human. She loves

(42:58):
silly TikTok songs and loves watching trashy daytime television. She
thinks it's funny. She doesn't have any active powers, but
she will respond using a pendulum or cat toys. I
don't know too much about her past. She says that
she was a witness to the JFK assassination and that

(43:18):
she has been stopping by burning Man since it started
in nineteen eighty six. I think she was a fairy
for a long time before she died. She said that
this is not her first vessel and that it took
her a long time before she found this one that
she now is in and she likes it. If you're
looking for an entertaining, spirited friend, Selene is a good

(43:43):
fit for anyone.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
First question, do you ship a haunted doll the way
you ship a normal doll? Is it just in a box?

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Or is it like when they ship like pet reptiles.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
A friend of mine was telling me he got a
which is my worst nightmare. But I was like, how
did you get that? He's like, oh, I like ordered
it and they shipped it and I opened up the
box and there's a snake inside.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
They do that with baby chickens too.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
So I wonder if they do the same thing like
living creature inside.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
Yeah, you want him to like have a chain wrapped
around it, or like a bible onto you want this
to I mean, I know Selene is very nice and
likes to burn in the desert, so you know, open
to experimentation, but I think you would want the presentation
to be a little coffin or just something creepy.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Yeah, yeah, totally. Like I always say, this is all
about marketing, and I think that that would be a
great touch because the thing is, most of the people
that sell these eBay this is like their business. You
go to their profile, there's like fifty different ones they've
got for sale, all with their own biography.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
And they're all haunted. Oh yeah, that's great.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
It also always says we cannot leak sell intangible objects.
This is for entertainment purposes or whatever. Hebaye makes them
say something that's like, just so you know, we can't
actually sell you a ghost, that's not possible, but we're
selling you a doll, but we're telling you it is.
There is a ghost.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
It's totally a ghost. Yeah, well, I think hmm.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
The hand sticking out is sort of creepy. The right
hand is the creepiest part of this. Doll to me,
because it does look like it's just about to do this,
do you. I also like that you can find out
a little bit about what the owner's up to and
what they're watching on TV and listening to you.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
They're watching trash TV and looking at tiktoks.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
No, she is absolutely sorry.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
It's her. She's probably a big Steve Harvey fan or
Kelly Clarkson or whoever is on.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
She loves the feud. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
I think this doll isn't haunted, but if it was
looking at me in the room, I would turn it
away from me.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Oh absolutely.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
I also like how that description as like almost like
two revealing, like I expected the next line to be like.
And sometimes she loves to force you to smoke menthol
cigarettes while she.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Watches Oh my god, Well let's do another thing here.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Please?

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Can I play youse some ghost voices? Yes, it's time
for EVP or ev pase. Have you guys ever heard
of an EVP? No?

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Do you know what it stands for? No Electronic voice phenomenal? Yeah,
So basically, it's anytime somebody has captured what they believe
to be is a ghost speaking. So if you would
have been able to record that ghost saying, hey, we
could have made it onto the segment.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
But what I do is I go to TikTok, I
go to YouTube. I find people's EVPs, and I'm gonna
for you. I want you to tell me what you hear,
and then I'll give you some options, with the correct
answer being what they believe the ghost is saying.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
I love this.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Okay. This first one is from Cole's Paranormal.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Cole's like Kohl.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
My favorite section.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
They bought this ghost voice with Cole's cash. This is
cul Z Paranormal on.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
I believe YouTube makes just as much sense.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
This was at a place called the Bonnie Bray Tavern
in Denver, Colorado.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
That's a weird place, you ben. Yeah, we did go
the Kurt That's where you and I got the ivs
and then got lunch. Was in Bonnie Bray, yep, which
was a racist town. Yeah wait what remember we looked
up the history of that town and it was a sundown.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Town or whatever originally.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yes, now it's very lovely and charming, but we were like,
this is creepy and weird.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Anyways, we've been there recently.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
I've heard that about Glendale.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Glendale was a sundowntown true Glendale apologized for it in
like twenty nineteen. They officially were like, this was horrible,
which is crazy. I don't think Bonnie Braze ever issued
an apology.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Mm though she has not. I've been waiting. I'm waiting
by the phone every day.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Well maybe maybe that's what this EVP is.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Okay, all right, all right?

Speaker 3 (48:22):
What is this ghost voice saying? Can you hear it?

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Okay? One more time?

Speaker 2 (48:29):
One more time?

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Okay, I were sniffed, Irish.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Spirit, Irish, Irish spring, Irish. I was here. Oh, I
was here.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Oh that's a good one.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Here's some options. Is it a I'm a bear. Maybe
it was a member of the gay subculture known as.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Bears love That is it?

Speaker 3 (48:57):
B I was there? Ooh close to the one you said.
Is it C that was then? Or D don't make
me drink alone alone? It is a tavern?

Speaker 2 (49:11):
I was there.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
I was there. Yeah, that is what they believe.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
It says.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Let me play it again. Yeah, that's a pretty good one.
Now here's one more. This one is from Ethan Underscore
Encounters on TikTok and Yes, and this is at a

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place called the Granger House, which just sounds haunted in Marion, Iowa.
What is it saying? Okay, wait a second, there's a
lot more like business going on in the background in
this one. But let's tune in and listen. Hmm, that's

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a hard one.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Ross. Maybe please have it one more time? Totally y yeah,
m a huge No.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
He was saying UFC. Let's see if it's MMA or
UFC I listen to one more time.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Okay, or MVP MVP.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Yeah, I'll go with m VP.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
I will go with every day every day.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Well, neither of those is what they thought.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Is it a I have to p.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
B untimey? Oh maybe it was some freaky stuff. Is
it C I'm happy? Or d I have T like?
Maybe that they got some t they got the gossip said,
I got t stick around for this ghost hunt. I'll
tell you more.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
I'm gonna say, untimed ooh Untimey is so creepy.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
I'll go I'm happy. But both of those I could
hear both of those.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Sure, and the words of Pharrell. I'm happy is the
correct answer.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Wow, I'm happy?

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Oh, now I hear it.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
No, that was scotty, Oh that was.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
But I am happy, kinda did it perfectly.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Okay, one last thing, I'm just gonna throw out some
unexplained paranormal phenomenal and I want you to tell me
if you believe in it, if you got some kind
of if it, maybe it don't inspire an anecdote, or
I don't know, just anything. What do you guys think of? Okay,
growing up Catholic demons? Has that stuck around for you,

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the idea of like demons something that you can get
possessed by or you know that kind of idea.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
No, not for me, Scotty.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
I would say, in the world of all these paranormal things,
that's low in my believability list, just because I can
imagine people as storytellers inventing a thing to scare you.
It feels so scary that I almost don't believe it.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
I also think, if you exist on a different plane,
why do you give a shit?

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Like?

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Why like why do you have such emotion that that's
what you're gonna that's what you're gonna do? Like I
don't think.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
So.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Yeah, maybe it's boring wherever they are and they just
want to stare some shit up.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
But they can stir shit up in so many fun
and interesting ways.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
I don't know, maybe right, get yeah, get on YouTube
and start commenting on videos. Do something healthy with your energy.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yes, exactly, those are all demons.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Okay, what about synchronicities. Yes, when little things happen, do
you do you put that kind of thought into it
and go that was something?

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Yeah, big time into that. That's sort of coincidents that
just can't be a coincidence. And I don't care if
somebody explains the math or whatever. There have been things
that have happened to me that it. The craziest one
was I was living in New York at the time,
and I was killing time, so I went to get lunch.
I was by myself, and I had a thought about
somebody I hadn't.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Seen in maybe eight years, nine years, and.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
I started laughing about a story because we used to
we went to high school together and we would work
on these projects. And she told me she had a
hamster named Brownie Hamsterdam. And for some reason that came
back into my mind and I was laughing, and then
I zigzagged back down to this meeting that I had
to go to maybe ten fifteen blocks and I was

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just going whichever way the walk sign was, so you know,
if it was the walk thing, I would take that cross.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
And I was cutting across a city.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
Avenue about half an hour later, and out from a
TAXI stepped that girl and went Scotti Landis and I go,
I was just thinking about you twenty minutes ago, and
she goes, you were And it was the same person.
And I haven't seen her since, but it was the
craziest coincidence of my entire life. And it felt impossible.
She didn't live there. She was visiting somebody, and I

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was leaving lunch and zig zagged into that person after
thinking them for the first time. And I mean years.
This wasn't somebody I had a relationship. This was a
casual friend that came to mind. Then I saw them.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
It was so cool.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Again, time is an illusion, right, It was.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
The spirit of Brownie Hamster's tim.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
That's good enough.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
It was a pre memory of your meeting.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Yeah, I had a thing like that happened one time.
I forget if I've told this story before, but this
one time, a couple of years ago, you know, like
Chick fil A, we were real passionate about it for
a minute and then I'm just like, I feel like
I didn't hear much about it, and I was like,
are they still like anti? I didn't really know. This
is probably five six years ago or something, and I

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was on a layover in I don't even remember Atlanta,
let's say, and there was a Chick fil A and
I was like, you know, no one will see me.
I'm just gonna go in there, like I won't see
anyone who cares, like, I'll just go I just want
to try it or walk in. And then all of
a sudden, I see someone I know from LA instantly

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intercepted me as I was going in.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
And You're like, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (55:23):
And I was like, oh, just you know, I'm walking
around looking looking for a charger, you know, like, yeah,
it was very strange.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
That's the same thing.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
And it's so weird when it happens because it's like
you knew it was going to happen. So yeah, I
believe in synchronicity.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
What about Have you guys been to psychics?

Speaker 2 (55:44):
No? I don't think I ever have.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
I went to a pet psychic once as a joke
for a podcast.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Stop.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Yeah, did it.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Seem at all accurate.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
No, I've had my tarot cards read many times.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
Uh huh, both friends and then I guess people that
do it a little more seriously, and that was all.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
I think. That's really enjoyable.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Oh totally.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
I like the reading stuff because it's like up for interpretation.
It's very much like the eaching I do. I do
the eaching a lot. I'm looking at my ones right now,
and I find it very helpful and nice, just because
I think it's gives you a different perspective on the
moment you are in.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Yeah, yeah, totally, honey, just like my career, I'll entertain
it all.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Okay, last thing, time travel. Do you think it's possible.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
It's definitely possible.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
It kind of goes along with the thing that you
were talking about earlier.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Yeah, I mean like it's theoretically possible in physics as well.
So yeah, no, time travel one hundred percent. I don't
know if reverse time travel is possible but for us
as human beings, but I think probably other beings could
do it. But future time travels.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, I'm in.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
People have also told me that all the aerial phenomenon
we're seeing now, these new UFOs could potentially be us
in the future, coming back to inspire us to move
faster into the future.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
When to save the planet. A lot of times people say, I.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
Hope they do it, which is comforting that we made
it or somebody made it. But yes, I believe in
time travel. Why not it wouldn't it would be great.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yeah, it'd be crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Well you guys, that was it.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
We nailed it.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Tell people about your podcast Bananas.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
Bananas is a strange news podcast that Kurt and I host.
We have wonderful guests, including Roz and it's a storytelling
show with really awesome people. We've had Charlie's Theron and
we've had Phoebe Bridges, but our best episodes are with
our friends and funny people in our lives.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Take a listen Bananas.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Well that's it.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
That's all.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Bye.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Thank you so much to Kurt and Scottie. Be sure
to listen to Bananas everywhere you get your podcasts. Guys,
I love you so so much. I really appreciate all
the love you've been showing me. Please follow the Instagram
and I will talk to you next week. I love
you all, both living and dead. But if I didn't

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ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me?

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Okay by.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
This has been an exactly right production. Want to share
your paranormal experience on the podcast? I read stories out
loud and sometimes I'll even call you, So email me
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and follow me Roz on Instagram at roz Hernandez and
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producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the
allarming Alex Cheen. This episode was mixed and sound designed
by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is the

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petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the hair raising
Hannah Kyle Krichten. My theme music is by the spine
chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac,
Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the

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Chilling Karen Kilgariff, the Spooky Georgia hart Stark, and the
Frightening Danielle Kramer.