October 27, 2025 • 56 mins
Halloween is nigh and, on this most wicked occasion, Roz conjures the ICONIC drag superstar, actor, and recording artist, Shea Couleé! Beneath the swaying chandeliers these two sisters of spoOOooky discuss destiny, UFOs, and Shea’s terrifying stay at the famously haunted Hotel Parq Central—it’s the freakiest kiki of them all!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
What's that at the bed? It's spooky and jooky. I'm
really sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute, help,
I'm ghosted. I gos nandas pease. Hey boo, it's me
(00:29):
ros and welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast
where I talk to people that I like about the paranormal.
It's Halloween. I guess this is our Halloween episode. Last
year we had a really great story because we had
on Joe Kim Booster. You know, here's a fun little fact.
(00:53):
Joel Kim Booster went to the same high school at
the same time as our guest this week, Ja Cool
at the iconic drag performer you know from RuPaul's drag Race. Honey,
she gave us some stories. Uh, you're gonna wanna tune
(01:17):
in this week. Before we get to that, let me
let me read you one from a listener. This one
comes from Catherine, who writes, I'd heard the man reesa
castle in Port Angelis and Washington State was haunted, so
of course I was determined to stay there and find out.
(01:38):
Nine years ago, I booked a room for two nights
and took a ferry from my hometown of West Seattle
to the Peninsula. Manrisa castle was built by a Prussian couple,
the Eisenbeis, one hundred and thirty years ago, and they
lived in their thirty room mansion until mister Eisenbeiz died
(02:02):
in nineteen two and his widow remarried and moved away.
A caretaker lived there until it was purchased in nineteen
twenty five as a vacation spot for Seattle nuns. Oh,
the girls are getting crazy out there. Three years later,
the Jesuits bought it as a training college, adding a
(02:23):
chapel and bedrooms. It was sold again in the later
sixties and it has been a hotel since. Okay, back
to nine years ago. I found my room unpacked, got
in bed and started reading. At midnight, the church bells
in town rang, and I put down my book and
turned out the light. As soon as I did, I
(02:46):
heard a rather exaggerated and loud sigh coming from some
spot in the dark two feet to my right, approximately
by the other Pillowed with fear, I literally couldn't move.
I was sitting in my bed with my hand on
(03:06):
the lamp switch, completely unable to move. By then, my
eyes had acclimated to the dark, and there was some
light from outside the window, so I knew if I
could just turn my head to the right, I could
see who or what made that sound. But I didn't
want to. I really really didn't want to see a
(03:29):
pissed off Jesuit in training ghost on my pillow to
the right. It felt like forever, but in real life,
it was like maybe just a few minutes of being
unable to move when my body suddenly relaxed and I
was able to quickly look.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
To my right.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
There was nothing there. You might wonder how people can
possibly sleep after something like that, but I think your
body and mind are put through such a shock that
it exhausts them and you just do it. All I
can guess is that this particular Jesuit was tired of
having to share a bed with strangers. That's the long, loud,
(04:08):
exaggerated attitude filled sigh. I wandered around the castle the
next day, but didn't see anything even remotely spooky, nor
did my bed mate show up the second night. All right, Kathy,
thank you so much. Yeah, I think about that all
the time with haunted hotels or any place that has
(04:29):
people constantly coming in. If you're a ghost and you're
stuck in that room. You really don't know who it's
going to be. You know, it's like, oh, these people
want to talk to me. These people are scared of me.
I imagine that that would be a lot that the
ghost was like, she's just sitting here reading a book.
Really she's not. She's not trying to talk to me
(04:53):
or make me move some device or do something like that.
They'll probably sick of that, So I honestly, I think
you did that goes to favor. All right, Well, I
hope you are enjoying your Halloween. I hope that you
put on a nice cute little costume, watch a scary movie,
eat too much candy. You know, we need that escape
(05:14):
this Halloween especially. Just just let yourself be, think about
the inner child within you, and just be the spookiest
you can. And I hope that this episode will help
with that journey. All right, everybody strap it and strap
them on. It's time for Shay Coulay on with the show.
(05:46):
Oh my god, it's Shake Culay.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Hello, Hey girl, Hey, how's.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
It going so good? Where are you?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I am actually at home today in Chicago, just and
she's giving me my dog a bath. She's uh Pomeranians,
so she has a lot of hair, so it took
me like two hours to get her done.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
My god, she's fluffy.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Or do cut it shoes so she's very fluffy.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Oh my god. I love a Pomeranian. I know, baby.
I had a Pomerian for fourteen years and then that
ended a year ago. But I have a new one
now that is way less fur. But I do want
a Pomeranian. My dream is to have a backyard filled
(06:32):
with Pomeranians in giant tortoises. Those are my two, and
I want the little Pomeranians to ride on the giant tortoises.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I love that for you, I really do, because I
have fantasized about having a backyard full of Pomeranians, which
you really upped the ante with the tortoises and then
riding on their backs.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Well, they got to get around, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I don't want to make my dogs walk like I
want them. I want them to have their own chauffeur
that'll take them everywhere. Yes, so you're in Chicago, which
is a haunted place. Yes, Chicago's won these places where
a lot of people are like this, hotel, and this
is a lot of mob stuff. There's a lot of
(07:17):
a lot of spooky. Do you do you believe in
that kind of stuff?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
So my assistant we have this running joke because one
time we were working together, just doing some organization, and
like I, out of the corner of my eye spotted
this ghost right where were you in my house? Okay,
So here's the thing too about my house. So the
(07:48):
building is about four years old. But what it used
to be before they like tore down and like rebuilt it.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
It used to be a bath house stuff. Yes, it
used to be a bad land. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
So you know, sometimes things will happen, like the showers
will kind of like start running at like three in
the morning, Like it'll just like water will start like trickling.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Out, and like only for like maybe a minute or two.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Does it smell like poppers?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
You know what? Yeah, but that's because I live here.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
But yeah, no, I like ever since I was a
young kid, you know, And I think children are more
sensitive to it because I feel like the veil is
just thinner with kids, and so I was seeing goes
uh a young age, and you know, I'll still kind
of like feel them and like see glimpses of them now.
(08:45):
So oh yeah, I mean I believe in it because
I've experienced it, So how.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Can you not.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So you live in a former bathhouse, Yeah, and there
was a day when out of the corner of your
eye you saw someone, Yeah, this figure. Who do you
think it was? I would it look like.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
They moved past me so quickly that I could not
even tell like their gender. I could tell that they
were like maybe around, like they're kind of tall, Like
it felt like five ten, five eleven. But I feel
like all my encounters minus one, all my encounters with ghosts,
(09:25):
they all feel really friendly.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Oh that's nice.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So it never like spooks me or anything. There's only
been one time where I've been spooked, maybe twice.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Oh, I got to hear about all this. I'm just
thinking about like the bath house goes, I mean probably horny.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, friendly friends, like loving, gay, care free.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
The thing with bath houses, it's like they're one of
these kind of businesses that is like a little bit
like they have to just be careful all the time
that they could get shut down or they could wear
So I definitely think that a lot of people have
(10:08):
died in bath houses that maybe we don't even know about.
So I would imagine that if we're going with the
old school belief that it's someone that died and now
they're lingering around, I bet you every bath house is home.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, so therefore my house.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Wait, so what are all these experiences that you've had?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
So? I mean when I was a little kid, I
started seeing like ghosts and figures a lot of times
they would present themselves to me a course when I
was like by myself, and I remember the first time
where like it was like in all my experiences, it's
always been kind of like flashes, you know. It's kind
of like I see them and then I focus and
(10:50):
they're gone, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
But there was one time I was.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Watching TV downstairs, and like the way that the TV
room was, there's like these stairs that up to the
second floor and then there was like a balcony kind
of there's like a railing that like led down to
the hallway, but it's kind of like open, you know.
I don't remember what I was watching, but I just
like happened to like look up and there was this
old woman and a younger but like grown like taller
(11:18):
man standing to her. Left, and I remember kind of
being like what And I looked back at the TV.
And then I looked back and they were like still there, and.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I was just like what, Yeah, they should have vanished
by now.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah they should have And they were just kind of
like looking at me.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I wasn't afraid, but I just remember being like, oh, wow,
like I can really.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
See these ghosts, Sophie.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
But you knew they were ghosts, Oh yeah, you did?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Else was I didn't know those people.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Do you think that they were connected to the house,
like they were people that used to live there, or
do you think it is something I did with you?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
My parents built that house, so if there's not a
connection to the house, that there had to be a connection.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
To the land and where I grew up.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
It was kind of it was like they developed it
a lot in the nineties. But oh shit, right before
we moved there, and like I want to say, like
ninety two or ninety three, there was this big tornado
that destroyed a lot, you know, it devastated the high school.
Like I mean, this tornado destroyed so much. And our
(12:30):
neighborhood was like this newer development that was next to
like a Cornfield, like it was next to another like
smaller farm. So I don't know if perhaps where that
neighborhood was was like also somebody's farm beforehand, before all
the destruction.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
This is in Illinois.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, this is in Illinois. This is in Plainfield.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
So it's about like an hour and a half southwest
of Chicago.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Do you know are you familiar with Sylvia Brown?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Sylvia Brown's been making the rounds on the internet. She's
been dead for years, but she is this psychic that
would go on Montel Williams a lot, and she would
say things wrong, and she has a smoky voice and
these long nails and little bangs. And probably the most
famous quote that's been going around is her line, honey,
(13:22):
the land, which is referring to something very similar to
what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, yeah, it's got to be the land.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It's all about the land. But that's what I keep
thinking about. You're living in these newer places, but.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
There still ties to the land.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Honey the land. She's become kind of a meme queen
or whatever. People keep sharing her because she's made some
very wrong predictions. Hang on one second, show, We're gonna
look at this video. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Oh my god, wait a second. Oh, I think I
remember this is in our house.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
First of all.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
George and Hazel Pinkering. George and Hazel Pickering, k E
R I n G. I would look it up on
you know the background.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Of the house.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Our house is only ten years old.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Honey. The land Oh, okay, how do you think the
land is? Well? Very it was a land fell yeah,
but also there used to be something they had to
do with the farmhouse near there.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Oh I live.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, now it's home growing like, but our house is
only ten years old, honey.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
The land old land, So I can't stop saying, honey,
the land, which I feel relates to you and your
your family's home. Yeah. So you see this old lady
and this man. That doesn't make you scared, though, I.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Think I was just like to shook like what I
was seeing, to like feel scared. I mean they seemed fine,
like it was giving, like if you reversed the gender
roles on American Gothic. Okay, but the lady was the
older one and the guy was like younger. Right, instead
(15:19):
of being like father and daughter, he was giving more
like mother's son. Was the energy I was getting from them, okay,
and now they were like peering down at me. I
wasn't afraid. I was just like this, what the fuck?
Who are those people? And by the time I like
really really focus I looked back again and saw him,
I was like the fuck. And then it was like
the third time I like turned around, I was just
(15:39):
like they were gone.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I was like, did you tell your parents?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I did what they say.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
My mom was just all like, okay, well we need
to pray that those people aren't evil.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
So you were raised what Christian?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yes, uh, Southern Baptist. My mom was a reverend and
my dad was deacon. He was like in this I
don't know what you'd call him, like an organization called, uh,
the Men's Ministry, all that heavily involved in the church.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
So when it came to this kind of stuff, what
was their belief.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Well, my great grandmother was Cherokee Native American, so she
was very witchy. So though my mom's like, so this
was her maternal grandmother, so her father's side was like
a lot more Christian Methodist, and so my grandmother kind
(16:41):
of like folded into that like religion when they got married,
you know, she became more like Methodist. But my great grandmother,
who lived just next door, was like very very witchy,
you know, and she had all these practices and my mom.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I feel like, still held.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
A fondness for them, even though you know, she's a reverend.
I don't think she looks at them as anything witchy.
I think she just thinks that they're cultural, you know
what I'm saying. Yeah, so she understands that spirituality aspect,
and she understands you know, ghosts and spirits, and she
believes in it, you know, the same way that I do.
(17:23):
And you know, it's like, what can you take away
from these paranormal experiences because we are kind of living
and multiple timelines, you know, multiple universes, so it's it
is very possible, and it's obvious that there there are
places that they're like little like windows where you know,
(17:45):
things can come through and people can step forward. And
I just always leave myself open to those experiences because
you never know.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Well, I also think that there's people that ghost can,
for whatever reason, feel comfortable with. You know. It's like
when you're a queer person and you find like an
ally or someone that you're like, oh okay, I can
be myself around that person. Yeah, I think there's I
think ghosts are like that with some people, and I
think you're one of those people for them.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I did too, That's why.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
That's why I was like, most of my experiences with
ghosts have not been scary.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
They've all been like, oh okay, I think they just
wanted to stay hi.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
But wait, you made it sound like there was scary times. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
In Albuquerque, New Mexico. This was two thousand and seventeen,
summer twenty seventeen. It was right after season nine of
RuPaul's Drag Race had aired. We were doing this season
nine tour across the entire country and we mostly stayed
(18:53):
on a bus. But we had a day off in
Albuquerque before our show in Albuquerque, so we get a
hot They're like.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Oh my god, what is going on the lights? I
am so freaked out. Okay, we are back. That was
just that was just a weird thing that happened. I'm
hoping that it was not a demon that you summoned
(19:26):
from Albuquerque. This is a newer building.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
So the land, honey, the land, the.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Land, don't we say? This used to be a funeral
home and this is where they kept the bodies or something. No, no,
it was a moreg you told Joel Kim Booster. I
think that this was a god.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Joel Kim and I went to high school together. Wait,
that's a wild Yes we did. We've known each other since. God,
I think I met him when I was fifteen.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
That's so cute.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
He lives around the corner for me.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I did not know this because he was homeschooled up
until his sophomore year of high school, so my freshman
year of high school.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I love how you had to point out that he's
older than you.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, like literally only by a couple of months.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
When you think about America's land, like every square edge
of this place, so much has happened, and there's a
lot I'm sure there's a lot of spirits. They are like,
what the fuck have you done to our beautiful place?
You know, like like just America in general. The natives
of this place are probably like, Okay, we're coming back
(20:40):
from the dad to ruin all of this. Let's start
with flickering the lights, right.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
They're like, just to let them know that we're here.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
So m M.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
But you know, maybe their party goes, Maybe they like
to dance. You know what I'm saying, you just felt
like disco.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, that could be They love a stroke light. Okay,
so where were we? Okay, so Albuquerque, You're on the
tour day.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Off, and so they're like, we're gonna get a hotel.
And we were like, oh my god, the lovely, Like
we get a hotel.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
This is gonna be amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
And the hotel that we stay that was called the
Hotel Park Central p A r Q Parks called p
A r Q, Yes, Central, and you know, we get
their beautiful hotel, gorgeous, lovely, newly renovated.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Right, So we're like, oh gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
My sister Pheromone, because we were all hungry, we're like,
let's go grab some dinner. Pheromone's like, oh, let me
call an uber. What's the address? And we didn't respond
to the group text. She googles it and then on
the side she goes, Shay, I just googled this hotel
and it says it's one of the most haunted hotels
(22:00):
in America.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I was like what.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
She's like, yeah, this used to be an old children's
psychiatric hospital, and then proceeded because of course, like my
sister farah. She's like, once she finds something out, she's
gonna hyper fixate on it.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
So before the uber.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Had even got there, she had figured out all the lore.
So there were these like bungalows in the back that
were like the sweets, you know, and apparently those used
to be like the doctor's like offices. And there was
a doctor who apparently committed suicide and hung himself back there,
(22:40):
and uh, yeah, this this this was like this place
that was in operation but then kind of like fell
into ruin and then then and then in the bobby
to be cute, they had you know how you sign
it in a guest book. Yes, but it was like
the patient log, like the actual log of like these
(23:03):
children who had been placed in there. And I saw
it and I immediately like the chills. I was just
like ooh, the energy coming. And they thought it was
so kitchy.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Girl. Yeah, can you believe we used to meet that
and now we're this.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I So we go to dinner, come back and everyone's like, oh,
you know what, let's go. They had like a bar
on the roof or like one of the like upper levels.
I just remember being above where my room was, and
I was just like, okay, I'm gonna go to my room.
I'm gonna use the bathroom really quick. I'll meet you
guys up there. I'm in the bathroom. I'm sitting on
(23:41):
the toilet, sitting down, tinkling like a lady, and I
kid you not.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
From within the toilet bowl.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I hear hello, stop it.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I was like, no, that.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Didn't happen between your leg yeah, between my fucking legs.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Hello.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I was like, you know what, I'm psyching myself out
because the TV was on in the other room, like
we had like left it on while we went to
the restaurant, and I was like, you're trippin'.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I get up, you know, I finish.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I get up, and I turned the TV off and
then I go back to wash my hands and then
I hear it again, so a hello, baby.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I booked it the fuck up out that room.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Was it from the toilet? The second time.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
It felt like it was coming from the shower.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
At the second time, it felt like it was coming
from the literal pipes in the back, like moaning Myrtle
and Harry Potter like that's thee I have chills right
now talking about it, like it just was even though
I was scared. It was very much so this voice
like calling out as if it felt like, you know,
it recognized somebody that could be open to it. Was
(24:58):
there it this Yeah, they felt lost, like there was
something about the the way they felt lost that just
really just creeping me out. So I'm run upstairs to
the a like bar, and I'm telling my boyfriend of
my assistant and Phaeromoon like all about it. And They're
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all like, okay, Diva, like okay, that's kind of crazy.
And I was like, I know, but like and I'm not.
I was like, I'm not just like psyching myself out.
And I was just like, you know what, maybe I am.
I'm just gonna like stop thinking about this. We're just
going to enjoy have a couple of cocktails.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
That night, we go to bed.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Dan and I are just like laying in bed, like
trying to fall asleep, you know, because you want to
get a good night's sleep.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
In this bed. And the only way I can.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Describe it is like we both we both felt this.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
It was like a freak.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
And see it was like a low rumbling humming that
was like growing in a crescendo.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
It just felt like.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
This dark black energy that was coming from like outside
of our door, as if it was like passing by
this like just the frequency of it, something about it
felt so.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Dark.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Didn't see anything, just and like I could feel like
both of like our our bodies just like hairs just
going up, like just like goosebumps everywhere that it literally
was just like an energetic experience. But whatever the fuck
that was, there was something dark sided about it was
not Christian and barely slap like we just I just
(26:54):
was like I just was so on edge and we
only had that one night.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, how do you sleep in that situation? Because trust me,
I've been in this situation many times where I end up.
See sometimes I go ahead a ton to do gigs
and they think that they're cute and they'll go, we
know you got this ghost podcast, so we put you
in the haunted hotel and I'm like, no, you have
to change me to a non haunted one because I'm
(27:23):
off the clock and I need to sleep.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I love ever people think that you know, well, I
mean that is fun for some.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
For some Yeah, and I know those freakazoys.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yes, but you should definitely confirm whether or not that
would be a fun time for somebody, because yeah, no,
I didn't do any sleeping.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
This is definitely the first toilet ghost we have heard,
and I'm very happy about this. If that was me,
I would be I would get a plunge and subdreno
and there would be no more. Hello.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Oh my god. It soundly like a little girl. That's
what I was like. It was giving moaning myrtle. I
was just like, who's this.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Little I feel like little girls are the scariest ghost.
What would you say of all the different like genders
and ages to me little girl?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I think little girl too, because I feel like the
way society and culture in general views little girls there
are like the epitome of like innocence and purity. So
I feel like when you're encountering like paranormal activities, like
at a life gone too soon, something that has like
(28:44):
the potential to be like you know, otherworldly and creepy. Yeah,
hearing a little girl attached to that makes it just
that much more intense.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well, it's kind of like how all those movie trailers
will have like a song and they make it.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Like little children singing it.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I just watched this movie last night
that I randomly I saw some TikTok didn't even have
that many views, but it was just like, this movie
so scary, and I'm sure it was like a paid
ad or whatever, but I was like, you know what,
that sounds good? So I read it at it's called
I think it's called The Man with the Black Umbrella,
(29:17):
and it's like a phone footage movie and there's use
of songs in it that are really spooky. I think
people should watch it. I'm endorsing it because I thought
it was so fucking scary, The Man with the Black Umbrella.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
The Man with the Black Umbrella.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, do you like horror films?
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yes I do, girl, I love horror films. Like, what
are my favorite video games to play? I'll be playing
it later. Dead by Daylight?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Love that?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
What is that? Is that? Like zombies or what?
Speaker 3 (29:49):
So basically the prebis is you can play it as
either a survivor or a killer. I like to play
as a survivor. I like to give like final girl energies,
and so it'll be like one killer and then like
a team of four survivors and you're like locked in
(30:10):
like amaze and or map through all different themes. Like
some of them are asilunce, some of them are like
weird graveyards. Some of them are like these sandy deserts
and you have to repair five generators to power these
outside doors that then you can like open and escape.
So like while you're doing this, though, the person who's
(30:30):
playing the killer is hunting you and they can injure you.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And if they injure you, they put you.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
On a hook and then like if you get three hooks,
you're like dead. You get sacrificed to the entity, and
so it's up to your teammates to like save you
and heal you.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
But like once you get three hooks, babe, you're dead.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Ah, So it's really about being strategic. There's like ways
to kind of like hide your footprints or like your
little scratch marks as they call them, like when you
run or whatever. There's all these different perks. But I
play very witchy characters, and I like do these things
called like boons where you can like like these boons
for like healing and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Like that's my Now.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Do you think that this kind of thing helps you
in real life if you were in this scenario?
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Oh? Hell yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
I think about it as like practice and maladaptive daydreaming,
because I'm kind of like Wendy Williams, where I do
think about the killer often and how I can avoid
letting the killer get me. Like me too, if I
get murdered, it's because I was slippant. You know what
(31:38):
I'm saying, like, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Ah my bad, you got me. You earn that one.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
God, damn damn, you cot me slippant.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
So yeah, I for instance, like I have a friend
that I'll go on walks with and I'm like, oh baby,
we always have to change our like walking patterns. We
can't walk the same route ever, because it's like the killer,
like you can't develop a pattern that they can then
like learn.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
You have to keep it random.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Oh interesting, so that they can't kill.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, always switch it up. Always switch it up just
a little bit, just a little bit. Never walk the
same route twice.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Ooh that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Do yeah. Before we move on to our next thing,
do you have any other ghost stories? Because first of all, yeah,
gave us the goods, But I'm just wondering if there's
any more squeeze out of you.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Do you want to hear what happened the next day
in Albuquerque.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Than that story.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
No.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Wait, no, we check out the hotel and then we
go to the venue, the theater where.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
We were doing our show.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
At uh huh baby.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
So we're already on edge because none of the bitches
slap like Pheromone heard banging on her door in the
middle of the that like the girls were very sensitive.
We're loading in right, we're going down the back entrance
into the theater and there's like this this like set
of stairs going down. There's like a landing and then
(33:07):
it goes like a little bit deeper. Right right where
the landing is, there's a shrine, because there's like this
little cove like under like the stairs coming down, and
it's just like this little cove. It's like cement, and
there's like a shrine with all these little choch keys
and random things, little dolls and ballet shoes and trinkets
(33:30):
and bows, and so of course I'm like, girl, what
the hell is that? And they're like, oh my god,
that's for little Billy. And I was like, okay, who's
little Billy? And they're like, well, back in the twenties,
this used to be a silent movie theater and little
(33:52):
Billy was coming down the stairs when the hot water
heater exploded.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
And killed him.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Oh my god, Oh this.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Is in remembrance of little Billy. There you go. And
I was just like, okay, you know what, thank you
for letting us into your face. Little Billy.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I like, I am chill, I'm good, like, don't mean
no harm nothing. And I kept passing by this damn
shrine and I was like, you know what, hold on.
I had this ring and I loved this ring. It
only cost me like two dollars and fifty cents at
a costume jewelry store.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I love this.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I worn it four years and like, you know, we're
getting towards the end of this tour and I was
like starting to get like a little tarnished, and I
was just like, you know what, like I still do
love this ring, but I was like, I can part
ways with this and I'm just gonna lead this on
this shrine for little Billy.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Oh sashav Lore.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
She had been gifted this like little like you know
those little porcelain clowns from the nineties that like some
girls had in their bedroom. Yeah, totally put that little
porcelain clown on there too, right, So we do the show.
Everything's great, it's fine, we're like loading out. I think
me and Sasha were just like having a kiki, but
we were like two of the like last girls that
(35:11):
were like coming out to the bus and we get
on there, like the whole cast is complaining about how
they didn't have any hot water and we were like
what and they're like, yeah, like all of our showers
were fucking nice cold, and me and Sasha were like,
I was like I had a lovely hot shower.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
We had a lovely hot shower too.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
And then we were like kind of just like talking
about going through things and we're like, did anybody put
anything like on that, like shrine? And they're like yeah, no, girl,
like whatever, and then Sasha and I were like, oh,
well we did. And then we thought about it and
we're all like the little boy was killed by a
hot water heater exploding and we were the only ones
(35:56):
that got hot water.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Shake whol like this is good.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Babes, babes. The way we were on that bus like
this when you're like Chicago's I was like, no, girl, no, yeah,
like that bail is thin inding Mexico, Mama.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
It is yeah, oh thin. Well, also, the kids were
just dying left and right back in the day apparently
in Albuquerque.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Albuquerque. Yeah, the child mortality rate was high there.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I mean, what are the chances the hot water heater
explodes while you're walking down the stairs, right? If that
was me? Yeah, the least you can do is a
shrine for me. Jesus Christ, what a way to go.
This is so good. And maybe if anyone listening is unfamiliar,
like a lot of times, these theaters that have touring
(36:48):
acts have showers in them for people. So you shower.
That's what you're talking about. You showered in the backstage.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Right, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
And you never know what you're gonna get with some
of these old places.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
You never know what you're going to get.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Wow. And they're all haunted too.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah they are.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah, Oh my god, this is good. Can I show
you a haunted doll?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Oh? Yes, please?
Speaker 1 (37:14):
It's time for the dolls are living? Okay. So I
go to eBay dot com and I type in a
haunted doll, and there's hundreds at all times, and I
like to show my guests one that's up for sale.
(37:34):
And essentially the idea that we're supposed to believe most
of the time with these is that someone was living
and they somehow ended up in this doll, I don't
know whatever. So you're buying not only a doll, but
that person's spirit is someone that's in there as well.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yes, yeah, it's giving that. Are you afraid the dark episode?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Very much? So? Uh jieha? Can you please show us Rita?
You got it? Rod? Rita is going for forty dollars.
There she is, Rita. She's kind of giving Tricksy a
little bitter Lady Bunny.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Actually, that's definitely more Lady Bunny.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
That's Lady Bunny. She's very sixties uh huh. Hair just
like the same level of synthetic. It's what you would
get from good old Lady Bunny.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
The makeup is exactly the same. Blush on point yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
And stacked wig. She's showing lots of legs tonight.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
No shoes, uh huh.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
That's why I feel like she was abducted. This lady
cous wear her shoes. Uh yeah, Rita. That's the first
thing that they do when they abduct people is they
take them shoes. Is that right, Yeah, so that they
can't run away. Girl to kill her.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
You really do think you're he steps ahead. So Rita's
going for forty dollars. The person that's selling her wrote,
Rita is an extraordinary, haunted doll with a strong will
and courageous spirit attached. Right away, Rita made her personality
(39:17):
known through the spirit box, you know, one of these
ghost hunting devices. Rita said to them right away quote
I'm going to rob you, which showed her tough and
fearless exterior. She has a past full of challenges and fights.
If there's one thing about Rita is that she's never
(39:39):
backed down to a fight.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
That really is Lady Bunny saying I'm going to rob you, Oh,
Lady Bunny down.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
It says that she died in twenty thirteen after a
violent confrontation. She said she fought and fought her so
maybe it was a woman. She fought some woman and
the the lady one. And it says though she's had
a tough past, Rita's spirit has since softened. She's respectful
(40:08):
and communicative, but still carries a powerful energy that makes
her presence undeniable. It does say that the woman that's
inside of her Rita has long brown hair and brown eyes.
She was tall for her age and very muscular. Oh
and she has appeared to the person selling this in
(40:30):
their dreams. So yeah, that's Rita of forty bucks.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Wow, okay Rita.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
See now I would like her as a self defense that.
You know. It's like you got your taser, you got
your mace, and then you could also have Rita, the
haunted doll who will cut a bitch.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah, I would.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
I would definitely want Rita to protect me from the killer.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I feel like she would be a great defense mechanism.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, absolutely. Okay, next thing, can I play you some
ghost voices? Yes, it's time for EVP or ev pase Okay,
So evp's electronic voice phenomenal. Okay, this is anytime someone's
(41:22):
captured a ghost speaking.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
So I go to YouTube, I find two of them,
and I want you to tell me what you hear
this ghost saying. Okay, I'll give you some options and
we'll figure it out together. Okay. So this first one
is from Shadows with a Z paranormal and it's at
a private residence in Harrison County, Mississippi. What is this
(41:50):
ghost saying? Could you hear that?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Mm hmm?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Can I played again.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Yeah, come here, Oh.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, come here. That is not what they thought.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Oh what do they think?
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Do they think it was a own it?
Speaker 4 (42:18):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (42:19):
B hungry, C honey or D honey the land? Okay,
which one of these? Let me play it again. Oh
hungry hungry is what they believe. Yes, hungry, Oh poor ghost.
(42:47):
Get that ghost a sandwich. Somebody that sucks.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
That must suck.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I know, are you still hungry when you were a ghost?
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Hungry?
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Because like what if, like you know, they were like
a curse into some type of like purgatory where they're
like just constantly starving, but they're a spirit and they
can't eat, but they just experience hunger.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Yeah, because what do you feed them? That's not fair exactly,
because Okay, I do have a famous theory where I
believe that farts and verbs are the ghosts of food.
I mean, if you think about it, they go from
solid to a gaseous form. They've come back from the
dead sort of in a way. So I don't like
(43:31):
to think of the thought that ghosts have to eat farts. Okay,
So don't let the ghost be hungry. Okay, let me
play you one more ghost voice. This is from Jahar
thirteen thirteen on YouTube. I guess the group that this
is from is called Legend Trackers of Ohio. Okay, they
(43:54):
might be tracking you shake kul eggs. Okay, Legend trackers.
And this is at a private residence. What is this
ghost saying? Okay, this one's way longer.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
And he guesses, damn, I can't tell one more time.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Mm hmmm, Well let me give you some options. Did
they think it was a Andrea? It's been like an hour.
Where's Andrea? Girl? Come on? Did I think it was
b It's time for the Witching Hour? C I'm waiting
for the hour? Or d I paid for a full hour? Okay,
(44:56):
it's one of those.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
What must be it's time the Witching hour? Can I
hear that again? But also why am I hearing Andrea?
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Andrea? It's been an hour? Hurry up? They believe it's
see I'm waiting for the hour. No, someone named Andrea
was making this damn ghost? Wait and wait until they
met their demidse Andrea.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
It's been an hour.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Wrap it up? Girl?
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Are you gonna jump out and you're gonna spoop them?
Or what? They can hear me?
Speaker 1 (45:48):
It's like first day on the job as a ghost. Right, Okay,
last thing, I'm just gonna throw out a couple of like,
you know, supernatural things, and I'm curious you're thoughts, Oh
my god, what do you think of UFOs?
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Oh my god, come get me please?
Speaker 3 (46:10):
I know, I know, I know, get luck. The same
way with like ghosts, I'm the same way with aliens.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Okay, what do you mean you've encountered them? Oh?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
You know what, No, in the way that I don't
fear them.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
I am like, hey, you know what, I could have
met an alien and not have known. I'm an aquarius.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
Sometimes people describe aquarians as aliens, So who knows.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
I could be the alien. The alien could be me.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Do you think that there's aliens among us? Yeah, i'd hope,
and they just look like us.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah, And I hope that they're figuring out a way
to get some of us out of here.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Maybe the rapture won't be for the Christians at all.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Maybe it's going to be and lovers of extraterrestrials and
they're going to beam down and they're gonna pick one
hundred and forty thousand of us that they deem cool
enough to come on their ship.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Oh my god, but stuff for everyone. Yeah, Okay, what
do you think about Bigfoot?
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Bigfoot?
Speaker 3 (47:20):
I mean, honestly, I feel like people just need to
respect Bigfoot space. I think they have every right to
be a recluse and to live in the woods off
the grid. I mean, this is a damaged system that
(47:40):
we're participating in, and I feel like them being like,
you know what.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Fuck that. I'm just gonna be out here in these woods.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Y'all might catch me on your screens or not, but
don't expect me to say hi, don't expect me to
talk about the weather. I'm actually just going to high
tail it in the other direction because I don't like
you people.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
They got it right, you know. This is I've been
thinking about this a lot lately because I'm like, can
we all just like start a like a cult but
like just like the first half of the Cult documentary
where like everything's fun. Oh yeah, I don't want everything
to get crazy, but like, is there a way where
we can all just like go, like there has to
be communes or whatever people that are living out in
(48:24):
the woods where it's actually peaceful. It's just nobody wants
to watch a documentary about that so we don't hear
about it. But exactly, I want to do the Bigfoot
method and just like go out and be away from everything,
just not be a part of it. I'll still do
this podcast though, people, Yeah, just as long as there's
wi fi. Yes, Okay, here's one. What do you do
(48:46):
you have like a fun conspiracy theory that you think
could be true?
Speaker 2 (48:54):
What could be fun?
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Oh it's stupid because it's like the first one that
I could of because my friend is so vehemently has
decided to like really subscribe to this one. And it's
that Beyonce is not Solange's sister but her mother.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Oh yes, there's good ones about Beyonce for sure.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Yeah, that one really tickles me.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
So then even though there's like footage of them as
children together, Yeah, I mean, who knows, it could be doctored, see,
but that's why it's fun.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah, I love I love every single pop star. There's
like wild ones. I feel like the one I always
hear is like Avra Levine actually died twenty years ago,
and it's like another like fake Averlene.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Yeah, like her lyme disease got her and she's been
dead and it's this other imposter that they've brought in
to convince everyone that she she's Avril Levine.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah. I've definitely heard that one too.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
I believe in that kind of thing like that there's
doubles or like I mean, there's definitely like decoys and
stuff of like the president and whatever. So it's like,
I don't know what if one is like really good,
Like could they just fool you?
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Like?
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Are there times when it's like, oh my god, we
thought that was whatever performer but in reality it was
like they were sick and so they had their person
step in.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
What if the substance was really nonfiction?
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Okay, last question, M synchronicities do you believe are you
like this was meant to be? Or like, I don't know,
are you do you believe in stuff like that? Oh?
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yeah, I totally do.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
I totally believe in destiny and divine timing. They're just
sometimes where things just align so perfectly and with such
precision that I cannot help but to be like, this
is all part of a greater design.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yeah, are there moments that come to mind? I'm kind
of putting you on the spot, but is there anything
that you can think of where you've experienced that. Honestly,
if I was asked that question, I'd be like, I
don't know, but there I feel the same way as you.
I've had a billion to just a little thing.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
Yeah, it just happens like in so many Sometimes it's
just even in the way that you're like running for
the train and it appears exactly as you touch the platform.
Like to me, it's simple, but I'm like, that's how
it's meant to go.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah, well, lisaid, I'm so obsessed with these stories you
told us, particularly these Elbuquerque. I mean, girl, I mean,
this is good.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
I realize Also within this podcast, I was like, oh my,
the movie that helped me realize that I was gay
was ghost Yes whoop be yes you and Danger girl girl. Yeah,
so look me and Ghosts.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
I love it. This is so good. Jeez, this is
a good one. This is probably my favorite. Oh they
Oh my god, Shay You're just my favorite too.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
You were on Adulting when I was working on that
show as well. Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
I'm telling you. You should hear the boring ass people
that were good on this day. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding.
I'm kidding their friends.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah, well, my bulicas hit me up.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
I was like ghost stories, Yes, I said, absolute, Leo.
It's like I never get to talk about this.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
And it's such a fun way to like learn about someone,
to hear their beliefs and this kind of thing. Or
oh yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
Me and they walk among us and I experienced them often,
you know.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
So well if they if they walk among you again anytime,
so please come back. Yes, can you tell people all
the things you got going on? Where we can find
you and all that?
Speaker 3 (53:08):
Oh, yes, you can find me here on the internet
at Shaikhula on everything. And then next month I'm going
to be starting the Murray and Peter drag Queen Christmas
Tour and we're going to be going all across the US.
So let's see if I got some more stories after
(53:31):
December about Albuquerque again.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
You're probably doing theaters too, right, like, yeah, some of
these are old.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
Maybe I'm staying at the Park Central Hotel. No, ma'am,
I'll stay on the bus.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah all right, Well, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Yes, thank you so much. Enjoy the rest of your day, hungry.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Hungry, thank you so much to shake u lay Ah.
You know, Albuquerque is one of these places I really
tried to go to on my tour and then I
wasn't able to work it out, and then I later
was able to find a connection to work it out.
So one of these days I'm going to go there,
(54:19):
and it sounds like I might need to bring my
ghost hunting equipment. So thank you so much to Shae.
That was phenomenal. Check out everything Shay's got going on. Uh,
thanks for listening. I love you all, both living and dead.
But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't
haunt me came back. This has been an exactly right production.
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is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and
sound designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker
(55:33):
is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. My theme music is by
the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the spooky
Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced
by the chilling Karen Kilgaiff, the spooky Georgia hart Stark,
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What's that at the bed? It's spooky and jooky. I'm
really sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute, help,
I'm ghosted. I gos nandas pease. Hey boo, it's me
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ros and welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast
where I talk to people that I like about the paranormal.
It's Halloween. I guess this is our Halloween episode. Last
year we had a really great story because we had
on Joe Kim Booster. You know, here's a fun little fact.
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Joel Kim Booster went to the same high school at
the same time as our guest this week, Ja Cool
at the iconic drag performer you know from RuPaul's drag Race. Honey,
she gave us some stories. Uh, you're gonna wanna tune
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in this week. Before we get to that, let me
let me read you one from a listener. This one
comes from Catherine, who writes, I'd heard the man reesa
castle in Port Angelis and Washington State was haunted, so
of course I was determined to stay there and find out.
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Nine years ago, I booked a room for two nights
and took a ferry from my hometown of West Seattle
to the Peninsula. Manrisa castle was built by a Prussian couple,
the Eisenbeis, one hundred and thirty years ago, and they
lived in their thirty room mansion until mister Eisenbeiz died
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in nineteen two and his widow remarried and moved away.
A caretaker lived there until it was purchased in nineteen
twenty five as a vacation spot for Seattle nuns. Oh,
the girls are getting crazy out there. Three years later,
the Jesuits bought it as a training college, adding a
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chapel and bedrooms. It was sold again in the later
sixties and it has been a hotel since. Okay, back
to nine years ago. I found my room unpacked, got
in bed and started reading. At midnight, the church bells
in town rang, and I put down my book and
turned out the light. As soon as I did, I
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heard a rather exaggerated and loud sigh coming from some
spot in the dark two feet to my right, approximately
by the other Pillowed with fear, I literally couldn't move.
I was sitting in my bed with my hand on
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the lamp switch, completely unable to move. By then, my
eyes had acclimated to the dark, and there was some
light from outside the window, so I knew if I
could just turn my head to the right, I could
see who or what made that sound. But I didn't
want to. I really really didn't want to see a
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pissed off Jesuit in training ghost on my pillow to
the right. It felt like forever, but in real life,
it was like maybe just a few minutes of being
unable to move when my body suddenly relaxed and I
was able to quickly look.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
To my right.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
There was nothing there. You might wonder how people can
possibly sleep after something like that, but I think your
body and mind are put through such a shock that
it exhausts them and you just do it. All I
can guess is that this particular Jesuit was tired of
having to share a bed with strangers. That's the long, loud,
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exaggerated attitude filled sigh. I wandered around the castle the
next day, but didn't see anything even remotely spooky, nor
did my bed mate show up the second night. All right, Kathy,
thank you so much. Yeah, I think about that all
the time with haunted hotels or any place that has
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people constantly coming in. If you're a ghost and you're
stuck in that room. You really don't know who it's
going to be. You know, it's like, oh, these people
want to talk to me. These people are scared of me.
I imagine that that would be a lot that the
ghost was like, she's just sitting here reading a book.
Really she's not. She's not trying to talk to me
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or make me move some device or do something like that.
They'll probably sick of that, So I honestly, I think
you did that goes to favor. All right, Well, I
hope you are enjoying your Halloween. I hope that you
put on a nice cute little costume, watch a scary movie,
eat too much candy. You know, we need that escape
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this Halloween especially. Just just let yourself be, think about
the inner child within you, and just be the spookiest
you can. And I hope that this episode will help
with that journey. All right, everybody strap it and strap
them on. It's time for Shay Coulay on with the show.
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Oh my god, it's Shake Culay.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Hello, Hey girl, Hey, how's.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
It going so good? Where are you?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I am actually at home today in Chicago, just and
she's giving me my dog a bath. She's uh Pomeranians,
so she has a lot of hair, so it took
me like two hours to get her done.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
My god, she's fluffy.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Or do cut it shoes so she's very fluffy.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Oh my god. I love a Pomeranian. I know, baby.
I had a Pomerian for fourteen years and then that
ended a year ago. But I have a new one
now that is way less fur. But I do want
a Pomeranian. My dream is to have a backyard filled
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with Pomeranians in giant tortoises. Those are my two, and
I want the little Pomeranians to ride on the giant tortoises.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I love that for you, I really do, because I
have fantasized about having a backyard full of Pomeranians, which
you really upped the ante with the tortoises and then
riding on their backs.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Well, they got to get around, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I don't want to make my dogs walk like I
want them. I want them to have their own chauffeur
that'll take them everywhere. Yes, so you're in Chicago, which
is a haunted place. Yes, Chicago's won these places where
a lot of people are like this, hotel, and this
is a lot of mob stuff. There's a lot of
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a lot of spooky. Do you do you believe in
that kind of stuff?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
So my assistant we have this running joke because one
time we were working together, just doing some organization, and
like I, out of the corner of my eye spotted
this ghost right where were you in my house? Okay,
So here's the thing too about my house. So the
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building is about four years old. But what it used
to be before they like tore down and like rebuilt it.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
It used to be a bath house stuff. Yes, it
used to be a bad land. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
So you know, sometimes things will happen, like the showers
will kind of like start running at like three in
the morning, Like it'll just like water will start like trickling.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Out, and like only for like maybe a minute or two.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Does it smell like poppers?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
You know what? Yeah, but that's because I live here.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
But yeah, no, I like ever since I was a
young kid, you know, And I think children are more
sensitive to it because I feel like the veil is
just thinner with kids, and so I was seeing goes
uh a young age, and you know, I'll still kind
of like feel them and like see glimpses of them now.
(08:45):
So oh yeah, I mean I believe in it because
I've experienced it, So how.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Can you not.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So you live in a former bathhouse, Yeah, and there
was a day when out of the corner of your
eye you saw someone, Yeah, this figure. Who do you
think it was? I would it look like.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
They moved past me so quickly that I could not
even tell like their gender. I could tell that they
were like maybe around, like they're kind of tall, Like
it felt like five ten, five eleven. But I feel
like all my encounters minus one, all my encounters with ghosts,
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they all feel really friendly.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Oh that's nice.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So it never like spooks me or anything. There's only
been one time where I've been spooked, maybe twice.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Oh, I got to hear about all this. I'm just
thinking about like the bath house goes, I mean probably horny.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, friendly friends, like loving, gay, care free.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
The thing with bath houses, it's like they're one of
these kind of businesses that is like a little bit
like they have to just be careful all the time
that they could get shut down or they could wear
So I definitely think that a lot of people have
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died in bath houses that maybe we don't even know about.
So I would imagine that if we're going with the
old school belief that it's someone that died and now
they're lingering around, I bet you every bath house is home.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, so therefore my house.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Wait, so what are all these experiences that you've had?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
So? I mean when I was a little kid, I
started seeing like ghosts and figures a lot of times
they would present themselves to me a course when I
was like by myself, and I remember the first time
where like it was like in all my experiences, it's
always been kind of like flashes, you know. It's kind
of like I see them and then I focus and
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they're gone, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
But there was one time I was.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Watching TV downstairs, and like the way that the TV
room was, there's like these stairs that up to the
second floor and then there was like a balcony kind
of there's like a railing that like led down to
the hallway, but it's kind of like open, you know.
I don't remember what I was watching, but I just
like happened to like look up and there was this
old woman and a younger but like grown like taller
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man standing to her. Left, and I remember kind of
being like what And I looked back at the TV.
And then I looked back and they were like still there, and.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I was just like what, Yeah, they should have vanished
by now.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah they should have And they were just kind of
like looking at me.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I wasn't afraid, but I just remember being like, oh, wow,
like I can really.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
See these ghosts, Sophie.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
But you knew they were ghosts, Oh yeah, you did?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Else was I didn't know those people.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Do you think that they were connected to the house,
like they were people that used to live there, or
do you think it is something I did with you?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
My parents built that house, so if there's not a
connection to the house, that there had to be a connection.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
To the land and where I grew up.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
It was kind of it was like they developed it
a lot in the nineties. But oh shit, right before
we moved there, and like I want to say, like
ninety two or ninety three, there was this big tornado
that destroyed a lot, you know, it devastated the high school.
Like I mean, this tornado destroyed so much. And our
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neighborhood was like this newer development that was next to
like a Cornfield, like it was next to another like
smaller farm. So I don't know if perhaps where that
neighborhood was was like also somebody's farm beforehand, before all
the destruction.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
This is in Illinois.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, this is in Illinois. This is in Plainfield.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
So it's about like an hour and a half southwest
of Chicago.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Do you know are you familiar with Sylvia Brown?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Sylvia Brown's been making the rounds on the internet. She's
been dead for years, but she is this psychic that
would go on Montel Williams a lot, and she would
say things wrong, and she has a smoky voice and
these long nails and little bangs. And probably the most
famous quote that's been going around is her line, honey,
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the land, which is referring to something very similar to
what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, yeah, it's got to be the land.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It's all about the land. But that's what I keep
thinking about. You're living in these newer places, but.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
There still ties to the land.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Honey the land. She's become kind of a meme queen
or whatever. People keep sharing her because she's made some
very wrong predictions. Hang on one second, show, We're gonna
look at this video. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Oh my god, wait a second. Oh, I think I
remember this is in our house.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
First of all.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
George and Hazel Pinkering. George and Hazel Pickering, k E
R I n G. I would look it up on
you know the background.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Of the house.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Our house is only ten years old.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Honey. The land Oh, okay, how do you think the
land is? Well? Very it was a land fell yeah,
but also there used to be something they had to
do with the farmhouse near there.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Oh I live.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, now it's home growing like, but our house is
only ten years old, honey.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
The land old land, So I can't stop saying, honey,
the land, which I feel relates to you and your
your family's home. Yeah. So you see this old lady
and this man. That doesn't make you scared, though, I.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Think I was just like to shook like what I
was seeing, to like feel scared. I mean they seemed fine,
like it was giving, like if you reversed the gender
roles on American Gothic. Okay, but the lady was the
older one and the guy was like younger. Right, instead
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of being like father and daughter, he was giving more
like mother's son. Was the energy I was getting from them, okay,
and now they were like peering down at me. I
wasn't afraid. I was just like this, what the fuck?
Who are those people? And by the time I like
really really focus I looked back again and saw him,
I was like the fuck. And then it was like
the third time I like turned around, I was just
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like they were gone.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I was like, did you tell your parents?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I did what they say.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
My mom was just all like, okay, well we need
to pray that those people aren't evil.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
So you were raised what Christian?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yes, uh, Southern Baptist. My mom was a reverend and
my dad was deacon. He was like in this I
don't know what you'd call him, like an organization called, uh,
the Men's Ministry, all that heavily involved in the church.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
So when it came to this kind of stuff, what
was their belief.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Well, my great grandmother was Cherokee Native American, so she
was very witchy. So though my mom's like, so this
was her maternal grandmother, so her father's side was like
a lot more Christian Methodist, and so my grandmother kind
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of like folded into that like religion when they got married,
you know, she became more like Methodist. But my great grandmother,
who lived just next door, was like very very witchy,
you know, and she had all these practices and my mom.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I feel like, still held.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
A fondness for them, even though you know, she's a reverend.
I don't think she looks at them as anything witchy.
I think she just thinks that they're cultural, you know
what I'm saying. Yeah, so she understands that spirituality aspect,
and she understands you know, ghosts and spirits, and she
believes in it, you know, the same way that I do.
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And you know, it's like, what can you take away
from these paranormal experiences because we are kind of living
and multiple timelines, you know, multiple universes, so it's it
is very possible, and it's obvious that there there are
places that they're like little like windows where you know,
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things can come through and people can step forward. And
I just always leave myself open to those experiences because
you never know.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Well, I also think that there's people that ghost can,
for whatever reason, feel comfortable with. You know. It's like
when you're a queer person and you find like an
ally or someone that you're like, oh okay, I can
be myself around that person. Yeah, I think there's I
think ghosts are like that with some people, and I
think you're one of those people for them.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I did too, That's why.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
That's why I was like, most of my experiences with
ghosts have not been scary.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
They've all been like, oh okay, I think they just
wanted to stay hi.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
But wait, you made it sound like there was scary times. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
In Albuquerque, New Mexico. This was two thousand and seventeen,
summer twenty seventeen. It was right after season nine of
RuPaul's Drag Race had aired. We were doing this season
nine tour across the entire country and we mostly stayed
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on a bus. But we had a day off in
Albuquerque before our show in Albuquerque, so we get a
hot They're like.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Oh my god, what is going on the lights? I
am so freaked out. Okay, we are back. That was
just that was just a weird thing that happened. I'm
hoping that it was not a demon that you summoned
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from Albuquerque. This is a newer building.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
So the land, honey, the land, the.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Land, don't we say? This used to be a funeral
home and this is where they kept the bodies or something. No, no,
it was a moreg you told Joel Kim Booster. I
think that this was a god.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Joel Kim and I went to high school together. Wait,
that's a wild Yes we did. We've known each other since. God,
I think I met him when I was fifteen.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
That's so cute.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
He lives around the corner for me.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I did not know this because he was homeschooled up
until his sophomore year of high school, so my freshman
year of high school.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I love how you had to point out that he's
older than you.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, like literally only by a couple of months.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
When you think about America's land, like every square edge
of this place, so much has happened, and there's a
lot I'm sure there's a lot of spirits. They are like,
what the fuck have you done to our beautiful place?
You know, like like just America in general. The natives
of this place are probably like, Okay, we're coming back
(20:40):
from the dad to ruin all of this. Let's start
with flickering the lights, right.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
They're like, just to let them know that we're here.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
So m M.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
But you know, maybe their party goes, Maybe they like
to dance. You know what I'm saying, you just felt
like disco.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, that could be They love a stroke light. Okay,
so where were we? Okay, so Albuquerque, You're on the
tour day.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Off, and so they're like, we're gonna get a hotel.
And we were like, oh my god, the lovely, Like
we get a hotel.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
This is gonna be amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
And the hotel that we stay that was called the
Hotel Park Central p A r Q Parks called p
A r Q, Yes, Central, and you know, we get
their beautiful hotel, gorgeous, lovely, newly renovated.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Right, So we're like, oh gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
My sister Pheromone, because we were all hungry, we're like,
let's go grab some dinner. Pheromone's like, oh, let me
call an uber. What's the address? And we didn't respond
to the group text. She googles it and then on
the side she goes, Shay, I just googled this hotel
and it says it's one of the most haunted hotels
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in America.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I was like what.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
She's like, yeah, this used to be an old children's
psychiatric hospital, and then proceeded because of course, like my
sister farah. She's like, once she finds something out, she's
gonna hyper fixate on it.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
So before the uber.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Had even got there, she had figured out all the lore.
So there were these like bungalows in the back that
were like the sweets, you know, and apparently those used
to be like the doctor's like offices. And there was
a doctor who apparently committed suicide and hung himself back there,
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and uh, yeah, this this this was like this place
that was in operation but then kind of like fell
into ruin and then then and then in the bobby
to be cute, they had you know how you sign
it in a guest book. Yes, but it was like
the patient log, like the actual log of like these
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children who had been placed in there. And I saw
it and I immediately like the chills. I was just
like ooh, the energy coming. And they thought it was
so kitchy.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Girl. Yeah, can you believe we used to meet that
and now we're this.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I So we go to dinner, come back and everyone's like, oh,
you know what, let's go. They had like a bar
on the roof or like one of the like upper levels.
I just remember being above where my room was, and
I was just like, okay, I'm gonna go to my room.
I'm gonna use the bathroom really quick. I'll meet you
guys up there. I'm in the bathroom. I'm sitting on
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the toilet, sitting down, tinkling like a lady, and I
kid you not.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
From within the toilet bowl.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I hear hello, stop it.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I was like, no, that.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Didn't happen between your leg yeah, between my fucking legs.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Hello.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I was like, you know what, I'm psyching myself out
because the TV was on in the other room, like
we had like left it on while we went to
the restaurant, and I was like, you're trippin'.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I get up, you know, I finish.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I get up, and I turned the TV off and
then I go back to wash my hands and then
I hear it again, so a hello, baby.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I booked it the fuck up out that room.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Was it from the toilet? The second time.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
It felt like it was coming from the shower.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
At the second time, it felt like it was coming
from the literal pipes in the back, like moaning Myrtle
and Harry Potter like that's thee I have chills right
now talking about it, like it just was even though
I was scared. It was very much so this voice
like calling out as if it felt like, you know,
it recognized somebody that could be open to it. Was
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there it this Yeah, they felt lost, like there was
something about the the way they felt lost that just
really just creeping me out. So I'm run upstairs to
the a like bar, and I'm telling my boyfriend of
my assistant and Phaeromoon like all about it. And They're
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all like, okay, Diva, like okay, that's kind of crazy.
And I was like, I know, but like and I'm not.
I was like, I'm not just like psyching myself out.
And I was just like, you know what, maybe I am.
I'm just gonna like stop thinking about this. We're just
going to enjoy have a couple of cocktails.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
That night, we go to bed.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Dan and I are just like laying in bed, like
trying to fall asleep, you know, because you want to
get a good night's sleep.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
In this bed. And the only way I can.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Describe it is like we both we both felt this.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
It was like a freak.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
And see it was like a low rumbling humming that
was like growing in a crescendo.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
It just felt like.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
This dark black energy that was coming from like outside
of our door, as if it was like passing by
this like just the frequency of it, something about it
felt so.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Dark.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Didn't see anything, just and like I could feel like
both of like our our bodies just like hairs just
going up, like just like goosebumps everywhere that it literally
was just like an energetic experience. But whatever the fuck
that was, there was something dark sided about it was
not Christian and barely slap like we just I just
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was like I just was so on edge and we
only had that one night.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, how do you sleep in that situation? Because trust me,
I've been in this situation many times where I end up.
See sometimes I go ahead a ton to do gigs
and they think that they're cute and they'll go, we
know you got this ghost podcast, so we put you
in the haunted hotel and I'm like, no, you have
to change me to a non haunted one because I'm
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off the clock and I need to sleep.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I love ever people think that you know, well, I
mean that is fun for some.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
For some Yeah, and I know those freakazoys.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yes, but you should definitely confirm whether or not that
would be a fun time for somebody, because yeah, no,
I didn't do any sleeping.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
This is definitely the first toilet ghost we have heard,
and I'm very happy about this. If that was me,
I would be I would get a plunge and subdreno
and there would be no more. Hello.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Oh my god. It soundly like a little girl. That's
what I was like. It was giving moaning myrtle. I
was just like, who's this.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Little I feel like little girls are the scariest ghost.
What would you say of all the different like genders
and ages to me little girl?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I think little girl too, because I feel like the
way society and culture in general views little girls there
are like the epitome of like innocence and purity. So
I feel like when you're encountering like paranormal activities, like
at a life gone too soon, something that has like
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the potential to be like you know, otherworldly and creepy. Yeah,
hearing a little girl attached to that makes it just
that much more intense.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well, it's kind of like how all those movie trailers
will have like a song and they make it.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Like little children singing it.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I just watched this movie last night
that I randomly I saw some TikTok didn't even have
that many views, but it was just like, this movie
so scary, and I'm sure it was like a paid
ad or whatever, but I was like, you know what,
that sounds good? So I read it at it's called
I think it's called The Man with the Black Umbrella,
(29:17):
and it's like a phone footage movie and there's use
of songs in it that are really spooky. I think
people should watch it. I'm endorsing it because I thought
it was so fucking scary, The Man with the Black Umbrella.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
The Man with the Black Umbrella.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, do you like horror films?
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yes I do, girl, I love horror films. Like, what
are my favorite video games to play? I'll be playing
it later. Dead by Daylight?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Love that?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
What is that? Is that? Like zombies or what?
Speaker 3 (29:49):
So basically the prebis is you can play it as
either a survivor or a killer. I like to play
as a survivor. I like to give like final girl energies,
and so it'll be like one killer and then like
a team of four survivors and you're like locked in
(30:10):
like amaze and or map through all different themes. Like
some of them are asilunce, some of them are like
weird graveyards. Some of them are like these sandy deserts
and you have to repair five generators to power these
outside doors that then you can like open and escape.
So like while you're doing this, though, the person who's
(30:30):
playing the killer is hunting you and they can injure you.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And if they injure you, they put you.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
On a hook and then like if you get three hooks,
you're like dead. You get sacrificed to the entity, and
so it's up to your teammates to like save you
and heal you.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
But like once you get three hooks, babe, you're dead.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Ah, So it's really about being strategic. There's like ways
to kind of like hide your footprints or like your
little scratch marks as they call them, like when you
run or whatever. There's all these different perks. But I
play very witchy characters, and I like do these things
called like boons where you can like like these boons
for like healing and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Like that's my Now.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Do you think that this kind of thing helps you
in real life if you were in this scenario?
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Oh? Hell yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
I think about it as like practice and maladaptive daydreaming,
because I'm kind of like Wendy Williams, where I do
think about the killer often and how I can avoid
letting the killer get me. Like me too, if I
get murdered, it's because I was slippant. You know what
(31:38):
I'm saying, like, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Ah my bad, you got me. You earn that one.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
God, damn damn, you cot me slippant.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
So yeah, I for instance, like I have a friend
that I'll go on walks with and I'm like, oh baby,
we always have to change our like walking patterns. We
can't walk the same route ever, because it's like the killer,
like you can't develop a pattern that they can then
like learn.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
You have to keep it random.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Oh interesting, so that they can't kill.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, always switch it up. Always switch it up just
a little bit, just a little bit. Never walk the
same route twice.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Ooh that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Do yeah. Before we move on to our next thing,
do you have any other ghost stories? Because first of all, yeah,
gave us the goods, But I'm just wondering if there's
any more squeeze out of you.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Do you want to hear what happened the next day
in Albuquerque.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Than that story.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
No.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Wait, no, we check out the hotel and then we
go to the venue, the theater where.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
We were doing our show.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
At uh huh baby.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
So we're already on edge because none of the bitches
slap like Pheromone heard banging on her door in the
middle of the that like the girls were very sensitive.
We're loading in right, we're going down the back entrance
into the theater and there's like this this like set
of stairs going down. There's like a landing and then
(33:07):
it goes like a little bit deeper. Right right where
the landing is, there's a shrine, because there's like this
little cove like under like the stairs coming down, and
it's just like this little cove. It's like cement, and
there's like a shrine with all these little choch keys
and random things, little dolls and ballet shoes and trinkets
(33:30):
and bows, and so of course I'm like, girl, what
the hell is that? And they're like, oh my god,
that's for little Billy. And I was like, okay, who's
little Billy? And they're like, well, back in the twenties,
this used to be a silent movie theater and little
(33:52):
Billy was coming down the stairs when the hot water
heater exploded.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
And killed him.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Oh my god, Oh this.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Is in remembrance of little Billy. There you go. And
I was just like, okay, you know what, thank you
for letting us into your face. Little Billy.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I like, I am chill, I'm good, like, don't mean
no harm nothing. And I kept passing by this damn
shrine and I was like, you know what, hold on.
I had this ring and I loved this ring. It
only cost me like two dollars and fifty cents at
a costume jewelry store.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I love this.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I worn it four years and like, you know, we're
getting towards the end of this tour and I was
like starting to get like a little tarnished, and I
was just like, you know what, like I still do
love this ring, but I was like, I can part
ways with this and I'm just gonna lead this on
this shrine for little Billy.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Oh sashav Lore.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
She had been gifted this like little like you know
those little porcelain clowns from the nineties that like some
girls had in their bedroom. Yeah, totally put that little
porcelain clown on there too, right, So we do the show.
Everything's great, it's fine, we're like loading out. I think
me and Sasha were just like having a kiki, but
we were like two of the like last girls that
(35:11):
were like coming out to the bus and we get
on there, like the whole cast is complaining about how
they didn't have any hot water and we were like
what and they're like, yeah, like all of our showers
were fucking nice cold, and me and Sasha were like,
I was like I had a lovely hot shower.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
We had a lovely hot shower too.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
And then we were like kind of just like talking
about going through things and we're like, did anybody put
anything like on that, like shrine? And they're like yeah, no, girl,
like whatever, and then Sasha and I were like, oh,
well we did. And then we thought about it and
we're all like the little boy was killed by a
hot water heater exploding and we were the only ones
(35:56):
that got hot water.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Shake whol like this is good.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Babes, babes. The way we were on that bus like
this when you're like Chicago's I was like, no, girl, no, yeah,
like that bail is thin inding Mexico, Mama.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
It is yeah, oh thin. Well, also, the kids were
just dying left and right back in the day apparently
in Albuquerque.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Albuquerque. Yeah, the child mortality rate was high there.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I mean, what are the chances the hot water heater
explodes while you're walking down the stairs, right? If that
was me? Yeah, the least you can do is a
shrine for me. Jesus Christ, what a way to go.
This is so good. And maybe if anyone listening is unfamiliar,
like a lot of times, these theaters that have touring
(36:48):
acts have showers in them for people. So you shower.
That's what you're talking about. You showered in the backstage.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Right, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
And you never know what you're gonna get with some
of these old places.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
You never know what you're going to get.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Wow. And they're all haunted too.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah they are.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah, Oh my god, this is good. Can I show
you a haunted doll?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Oh? Yes, please?
Speaker 1 (37:14):
It's time for the dolls are living? Okay. So I
go to eBay dot com and I type in a
haunted doll, and there's hundreds at all times, and I
like to show my guests one that's up for sale.
(37:34):
And essentially the idea that we're supposed to believe most
of the time with these is that someone was living
and they somehow ended up in this doll, I don't
know whatever. So you're buying not only a doll, but
that person's spirit is someone that's in there as well.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yes, yeah, it's giving that. Are you afraid the dark episode?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Very much? So? Uh jieha? Can you please show us Rita?
You got it? Rod? Rita is going for forty dollars.
There she is, Rita. She's kind of giving Tricksy a
little bitter Lady Bunny.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Actually, that's definitely more Lady Bunny.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
That's Lady Bunny. She's very sixties uh huh. Hair just
like the same level of synthetic. It's what you would
get from good old Lady Bunny.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
The makeup is exactly the same. Blush on point yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
And stacked wig. She's showing lots of legs tonight.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
No shoes, uh huh.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
That's why I feel like she was abducted. This lady
cous wear her shoes. Uh yeah, Rita. That's the first
thing that they do when they abduct people is they
take them shoes. Is that right, Yeah, so that they
can't run away. Girl to kill her.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
You really do think you're he steps ahead. So Rita's
going for forty dollars. The person that's selling her wrote,
Rita is an extraordinary, haunted doll with a strong will
and courageous spirit attached. Right away, Rita made her personality
(39:17):
known through the spirit box, you know, one of these
ghost hunting devices. Rita said to them right away quote
I'm going to rob you, which showed her tough and
fearless exterior. She has a past full of challenges and fights.
If there's one thing about Rita is that she's never
(39:39):
backed down to a fight.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
That really is Lady Bunny saying I'm going to rob you, Oh,
Lady Bunny down.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
It says that she died in twenty thirteen after a
violent confrontation. She said she fought and fought her so
maybe it was a woman. She fought some woman and
the the lady one. And it says though she's had
a tough past, Rita's spirit has since softened. She's respectful
(40:08):
and communicative, but still carries a powerful energy that makes
her presence undeniable. It does say that the woman that's
inside of her Rita has long brown hair and brown eyes.
She was tall for her age and very muscular. Oh
and she has appeared to the person selling this in
(40:30):
their dreams. So yeah, that's Rita of forty bucks.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Wow, okay Rita.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
See now I would like her as a self defense that.
You know. It's like you got your taser, you got
your mace, and then you could also have Rita, the
haunted doll who will cut a bitch.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah, I would.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
I would definitely want Rita to protect me from the killer.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I feel like she would be a great defense mechanism.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, absolutely. Okay, next thing, can I play you some
ghost voices? Yes, it's time for EVP or ev pase Okay,
So evp's electronic voice phenomenal. Okay, this is anytime someone's
(41:22):
captured a ghost speaking.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
So I go to YouTube, I find two of them,
and I want you to tell me what you hear
this ghost saying. Okay, I'll give you some options and
we'll figure it out together. Okay. So this first one
is from Shadows with a Z paranormal and it's at
a private residence in Harrison County, Mississippi. What is this
(41:50):
ghost saying? Could you hear that?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Mm hmm?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Can I played again.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Yeah, come here, Oh.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, come here. That is not what they thought.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Oh what do they think?
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Do they think it was a own it?
Speaker 4 (42:18):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (42:19):
B hungry, C honey or D honey the land? Okay,
which one of these? Let me play it again. Oh
hungry hungry is what they believe. Yes, hungry, Oh poor ghost.
(42:47):
Get that ghost a sandwich. Somebody that sucks.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
That must suck.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I know, are you still hungry when you were a ghost?
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Hungry?
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Because like what if, like you know, they were like
a curse into some type of like purgatory where they're
like just constantly starving, but they're a spirit and they
can't eat, but they just experience hunger.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Yeah, because what do you feed them? That's not fair exactly,
because Okay, I do have a famous theory where I
believe that farts and verbs are the ghosts of food.
I mean, if you think about it, they go from
solid to a gaseous form. They've come back from the
dead sort of in a way. So I don't like
(43:31):
to think of the thought that ghosts have to eat farts. Okay,
So don't let the ghost be hungry. Okay, let me
play you one more ghost voice. This is from Jahar
thirteen thirteen on YouTube. I guess the group that this
is from is called Legend Trackers of Ohio. Okay, they
(43:54):
might be tracking you shake kul eggs. Okay, Legend trackers.
And this is at a private residence. What is this
ghost saying? Okay, this one's way longer.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
And he guesses, damn, I can't tell one more time.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Mm hmmm, Well let me give you some options. Did
they think it was a Andrea? It's been like an hour.
Where's Andrea? Girl? Come on? Did I think it was
b It's time for the Witching Hour? C I'm waiting
for the hour? Or d I paid for a full hour? Okay,
(44:56):
it's one of those.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
What must be it's time the Witching hour? Can I
hear that again? But also why am I hearing Andrea?
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Andrea? It's been an hour? Hurry up? They believe it's
see I'm waiting for the hour. No, someone named Andrea
was making this damn ghost? Wait and wait until they
met their demidse Andrea.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
It's been an hour.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Wrap it up? Girl?
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Are you gonna jump out and you're gonna spoop them?
Or what? They can hear me?
Speaker 1 (45:48):
It's like first day on the job as a ghost. Right, Okay,
last thing, I'm just gonna throw out a couple of like,
you know, supernatural things, and I'm curious you're thoughts, Oh
my god, what do you think of UFOs?
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Oh my god, come get me please?
Speaker 3 (46:10):
I know, I know, I know, get luck. The same
way with like ghosts, I'm the same way with aliens.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Okay, what do you mean you've encountered them? Oh?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
You know what, No, in the way that I don't
fear them.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
I am like, hey, you know what, I could have
met an alien and not have known. I'm an aquarius.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
Sometimes people describe aquarians as aliens, So who knows.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
I could be the alien. The alien could be me.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Do you think that there's aliens among us? Yeah, i'd hope,
and they just look like us.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah, And I hope that they're figuring out a way
to get some of us out of here.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Maybe the rapture won't be for the Christians at all.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Maybe it's going to be and lovers of extraterrestrials and
they're going to beam down and they're gonna pick one
hundred and forty thousand of us that they deem cool
enough to come on their ship.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Oh my god, but stuff for everyone. Yeah, Okay, what
do you think about Bigfoot?
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Bigfoot?
Speaker 3 (47:20):
I mean, honestly, I feel like people just need to
respect Bigfoot space. I think they have every right to
be a recluse and to live in the woods off
the grid. I mean, this is a damaged system that
(47:40):
we're participating in, and I feel like them being like,
you know what.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Fuck that. I'm just gonna be out here in these woods.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Y'all might catch me on your screens or not, but
don't expect me to say hi, don't expect me to
talk about the weather. I'm actually just going to high
tail it in the other direction because I don't like
you people.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
They got it right, you know. This is I've been
thinking about this a lot lately because I'm like, can
we all just like start a like a cult but
like just like the first half of the Cult documentary
where like everything's fun. Oh yeah, I don't want everything
to get crazy, but like, is there a way where
we can all just like go, like there has to
be communes or whatever people that are living out in
(48:24):
the woods where it's actually peaceful. It's just nobody wants
to watch a documentary about that so we don't hear
about it. But exactly, I want to do the Bigfoot
method and just like go out and be away from everything,
just not be a part of it. I'll still do
this podcast though, people, Yeah, just as long as there's
wi fi. Yes, Okay, here's one. What do you do
(48:46):
you have like a fun conspiracy theory that you think
could be true?
Speaker 2 (48:54):
What could be fun?
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Oh it's stupid because it's like the first one that
I could of because my friend is so vehemently has
decided to like really subscribe to this one. And it's
that Beyonce is not Solange's sister but her mother.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Oh yes, there's good ones about Beyonce for sure.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Yeah, that one really tickles me.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
So then even though there's like footage of them as
children together, Yeah, I mean, who knows, it could be doctored, see,
but that's why it's fun.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah, I love I love every single pop star. There's
like wild ones. I feel like the one I always
hear is like Avra Levine actually died twenty years ago,
and it's like another like fake Averlene.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Yeah, like her lyme disease got her and she's been
dead and it's this other imposter that they've brought in
to convince everyone that she she's Avril Levine.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah. I've definitely heard that one too.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
I believe in that kind of thing like that there's
doubles or like I mean, there's definitely like decoys and
stuff of like the president and whatever. So it's like,
I don't know what if one is like really good,
Like could they just fool you?
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Like?
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Are there times when it's like, oh my god, we
thought that was whatever performer but in reality it was
like they were sick and so they had their person
step in.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
What if the substance was really nonfiction?
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Okay, last question, M synchronicities do you believe are you
like this was meant to be? Or like, I don't know,
are you do you believe in stuff like that? Oh?
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yeah, I totally do.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
I totally believe in destiny and divine timing. They're just
sometimes where things just align so perfectly and with such
precision that I cannot help but to be like, this
is all part of a greater design.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yeah, are there moments that come to mind? I'm kind
of putting you on the spot, but is there anything
that you can think of where you've experienced that. Honestly,
if I was asked that question, I'd be like, I
don't know, but there I feel the same way as you.
I've had a billion to just a little thing.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
Yeah, it just happens like in so many Sometimes it's
just even in the way that you're like running for
the train and it appears exactly as you touch the platform.
Like to me, it's simple, but I'm like, that's how
it's meant to go.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah, well, lisaid, I'm so obsessed with these stories you
told us, particularly these Elbuquerque. I mean, girl, I mean,
this is good.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
I realize Also within this podcast, I was like, oh my,
the movie that helped me realize that I was gay
was ghost Yes whoop be yes you and Danger girl girl. Yeah,
so look me and Ghosts.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
I love it. This is so good. Jeez, this is
a good one. This is probably my favorite. Oh they
Oh my god, Shay You're just my favorite too.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
You were on Adulting when I was working on that
show as well. Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
I'm telling you. You should hear the boring ass people
that were good on this day. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding.
I'm kidding their friends.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah, well, my bulicas hit me up.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
I was like ghost stories, Yes, I said, absolute, Leo.
It's like I never get to talk about this.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
And it's such a fun way to like learn about someone,
to hear their beliefs and this kind of thing. Or
oh yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
Me and they walk among us and I experienced them often,
you know.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
So well if they if they walk among you again anytime,
so please come back. Yes, can you tell people all
the things you got going on? Where we can find
you and all that?
Speaker 3 (53:08):
Oh, yes, you can find me here on the internet
at Shaikhula on everything. And then next month I'm going
to be starting the Murray and Peter drag Queen Christmas
Tour and we're going to be going all across the US.
So let's see if I got some more stories after
(53:31):
December about Albuquerque again.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
You're probably doing theaters too, right, like, yeah, some of
these are old.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
Maybe I'm staying at the Park Central Hotel. No, ma'am,
I'll stay on the bus.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah all right, Well, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Yes, thank you so much. Enjoy the rest of your day, hungry.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Hungry, thank you so much to shake u lay Ah.
You know, Albuquerque is one of these places I really
tried to go to on my tour and then I
wasn't able to work it out, and then I later
was able to find a connection to work it out.
So one of these days I'm going to go there,
(54:19):
and it sounds like I might need to bring my
ghost hunting equipment. So thank you so much to Shae.
That was phenomenal. Check out everything Shay's got going on. Uh,
thanks for listening. I love you all, both living and dead.
But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't
haunt me came back. This has been an exactly right production.
(54:50):
Want to share your paranormal experience on the podcast. I
read stories out loud and sometimes I'll even call you,
So email me at ghosted by Rob at gmail dot com.
You can send a DM or voice message to the
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My senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer
is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and
sound designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker
(55:33):
is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. My theme music is by
the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the spooky
Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced
by the chilling Karen Kilgaiff, the spooky Georgia hart Stark,
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
Dateline NBC
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