October 7, 2024 • 60 mins
Standing at the crossroad, Roz flags a ride with none other than satanic doo-wop duo Alexandra and Zachary James, aka TWIN TEMPLE! Leaving nothing but a trail of flames, they tear off into the night to discuss a photoshoot with the ghost of Gram Parsons, Alexandra’s terrifying night at the notorious Gunter Hotel, and the inclusive philosophy of satanism.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
What's that at the bed spooky? Hey juky, I'm pretty
sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute,
I said, Nandas. Please, Hey boo, it's me Roz and
(00:29):
welcome to goos To by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where
I talk to people that I like about the paranormal
people that you like. Wait a minute, there's Satanist on
the show today. That's true. My guests today are known
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as Twin Temple. Now here's the deal. I think this
is the first time in the five years of the
show that I have ever had oh open, out of
the closet, good old fashioned Satanists on the show. And
I'm not gonna lie. It makes me nervous sometimes to
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publicly align myself with Satanists. I've had a couple of
experiences where, you know, these open Satanists want to work
with me and do things, and I'm always like, I
get nervous because I know how dumb people are. To
be honest with you, none of you listening to the show,
(01:31):
But I just I don't I don't want to deal
with the people calling me evil and picketing me, and
I'm not into that. I personally, it's not for me.
I don't want to deal with people threatening me and
stalking me and whatever because they think that I'm sacrificing
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children or whatever. I just don't want to deal with that.
But these people on the show today are indeed Satanists,
and we get into it, we talk about it, and
I have met several Satanists and honestly cool people. I
know all kinds of people, and I do really appreciate
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what these two are doing. They're a real life married couple.
They also are musicians. They're a do wop group, and
their music is so cool. When it comes to the
creative side of it, they're doing something so different that
you're not seeing in the current musical climate, and they're
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also bringing the theatrics to the music and bringing in
this idea of this satanic married couple singing do wop music.
And they do, indeed get a lot of pushback from
people because they're Satanists. They're evil, But then you talk
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to him like, oh, these are just like cool people
that are super open minded and not looking to like
do anything too evil, and I like them. I think
they're really cool. They also have ghost stories, which is
super fun and oh my god, I almost forgot. It's October,
(03:23):
my favorite month. That's also the month of my birthday.
My birthday's on the twentieth. But to bring in the
Halloween spirit, I think it's perfect that we have these
guests today. And also another perfect thing happening this month.
Why I do have my new videos that have been
coming out on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Oh jeez, Louise.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Me talking about him again. I don't know. I just
wanted you to watch if you want. You know, it's
called Ross Hernandez the Haunted Doll on YouTube. And also
I just wanted to say real quick that I'm doing
some live dates. You can see me on the twenty
seventh in San Francisco doing Ghosted Live, the thirtieth, in
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Los Angeles doing Ghosted Live. The seventh of November, I
am doing stand up in Raleigh, and then I'm going
to Portland in Seattle in December to do Ghosted Live.
And in Seattle I'm doing stand up. So I hope
you enjoyed this conversation. I know I did. We had
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a really really good time, and I think I just
made some new friends. They're friends with David Desmalchian, who
was on the show recently and these are all some
real cool people, so I hope you enjoy. Here's my
conversation with Zachary and Alexandra from Twin Temple on with
the show. Oh my god, oh learned. I'm joyed, just kidding.
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I'm joined by Twin Temple.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Hi, Hi, thank you for having us.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
You guys are so cool. You're cool.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
We're really excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
You're not like, you're not too scary. I mean like
a little bit, but I feel like, I mean, you
guys are Satanists.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I mean we try, but it's working right.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, but I don't find you guys scary. I think
you guys are cool. Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I mean I hate to say this, but at this
point in time, I feel so much more comfortable around
you guys than like evangelical questions. I feel more safe.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I've never met you guys, but I will say one
time I saw you at a fleet market, but I
was too scared to say hi.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Oh was it the blood like dripping off our faces?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I thought it was weird. You guys have blood dripping
down your face at a flea market. I was like, oh,
they must have eaten something in one of those people
that sells the stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
They wouldn't give us a deal.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
No Sunday ritual for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
But so this is my first time I get to
meet you. Nice to meet you you too. So I
feel like there's a lot we could talk about, because
from what I hear, you have a ton of ghost stories.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
So many we couldn't decide.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Well, we have to hear those. I want to just
hear a little bit about the Satanism though. Okay, so
you guys are really Satanists. I mean yes, So how
long have you guys been Satanists?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I mean, do you want to say the spiel.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
You've always been there?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I mean to us, I don't think it's something that
you've become so much as something that you're born, Like
you're born a Satanists in our opinions, because I mean
it's really to us, it's like like a set of.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Values, you know, it's kind of just like a way
of seeing the world, the way of seeing yourself in
the world. Yeah, it's not really learned. I mean you
could learn.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It, I guess, but it's like in your core, Like
it's like, do you believe that outdated norms should be
kind of like destroyed? Do you believe in like individualism
and like the pursuit of like intelligence and self actualization
and knowledge. What are you drawn to like subversion and
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like shaking things up and rattling the cage. It's really
hard to become that, right, right, right right, I think
as far as means that can. Remember, we've always kind
of felt like outsiders and not really felt like part
of mainstream, at least the mainstream culture that they're feeding you,
you know, in popular media, Like we've all been kind
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of freaks, and like we were born freaks and we
were born outside of you know.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
So I get that. So it's like you at some
point discovered Satanism and then you go, wait, this is
describing me.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
We discovered the word for like what we are, but
we'd always felt that we you know, that way. But
then it was like we found other people who put
a nice bow on it and.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Called it what it was that we were feeling.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
But yeah, we fell in the vocabulary.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yes, were you both Satanists before you met each other?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Were you both practicing?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
And well, I guess in satanism and like our practice
of witchcraft are two separate things, you know, So like
like Satanism isn't inherently magical, you know. I mean, obviously
everyone has their own interpretation, but our interpretation is not
inherently magical, and our magical practice is separate from Satanism,
Like we don't do magic to like we don't you know,
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perform ritual to devil or Satan as a being. You know,
we don't believe in Satan as a you know, as
someone or whatever you want to call it. So yeah,
you know, like practicing Satanism is more of just a
way of living and viewing the world and viewing yourself
and seeing yourself as a creator you know, and a
god if you will, you.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Know, so as like the architect of yourself.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
So are you guys more like Satanic Temple or Church
of Satan?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I mean we're kind of all, but none as well.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
It's like we're our own Satanism. You know. It's like
Satanic Temple is primarily a political organization, right, Church of
Satan was, you know basically like at this point, it's
like leavey worship. You know, it's like you have to
acknowledge what he did culturally to like bring that idea,
you know, into like the public space. But again he
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practiced magic. TSD doesn't believe in magic, you know, I
think the majority of them that's kind of their gen sentiment.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well, but they do because then they talk about psychodrama,
so I'm a little unclear what their whole stances, but
they don't practice any kind of practical magic.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Well, I think like with them, you and if anyone
listening does not know about the Satanic Temple, Like, there's
a great documentary called Hail Satan with a question mark
that sort of lays it out there for you what
they are, which is essentially they're just against Christian nationalism
and religion and the government, and they're very much aligned
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with the idea of separation of church and state, which
we're supposed to be. But it's like, I feel like
you could believe, like you could follow their way of
thinking when it comes to all that, but then also
have your own witchcraft practice or something.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah, absolutely that you know, that's kind of like ours.
You know, again, we have the Satanism and then we
have our practice of witchcraft, and it's all it's all separate.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I mean, it's kind of unique to us, you know,
totally it should be.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I feel like in life, it's like build your own adventure,
use your adventures sort of.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah, especially with the Internet, I feel like a lot
of people's practice is very eclectic these days.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Sure, why not? But like, okay, when you're as openly
calling yourself a Satanist as you guys are, do you
have a lot of like scary people you're dealing with
that are opposing you?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, for sure. We have protesters at the shows last tour.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
They were like laying it on real thick they had
made like they printed banners.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yea, they made some. Well, the beginning of the tour,
we had people with sharpies written on them like like
that was the beginning of the tour. There was a
real story over the course of the story.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Was it the same people or.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Different group?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Sure? So maybe just some groups were better. Presentation was better.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, they had better.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah, so it started with sharpies Like San Diego showed
up and there were sharpie t shirts and they were
just like, is.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Not it does not align with that world.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
And this was not even arts or crafts. This was
like a Hanes pretty bloom with a sharpie like.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
God is not dead.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
And I was just like, you know, if you're gonna troll,
like bring your egg.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, go to like office or go someplace and get a.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Second twenty four hour like print.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I think they got our feedback though, because towards the
end they had banners, they had merched, they had shirts.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
They looked better.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
They did look better.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
But but the truth is they're not even like Christian groups. Really,
they're just like anti queer anti like.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Swing.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
I forget the name of the group that showed up, like.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Down for Laveuhan and not down for queer people. It
was really strange combo, like I forget what they were called.
But I think their main platform was like anti gay marriage.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
They had some name.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah I don't know, but they had some name and
that was their secret like mission or whatever.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So I was really proud to have them out there.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, you know. And then and then we've had stuff
show about our house, you know, Bibles show up at
the house.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yes, actually yeah, yeah that was bad.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
We had someone break into our backyard rummage to our
trash cans. They found boxes that we had ripped up.
They put them back ripped to rip seemed to seem
like that looking like a chucky dollar something. Yeah, taped
it all perfect because like I walked out there and
I just stood there staring at this box, like trying
to comprehend why is the box I had destroyed like
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a week prior on the doorstep. How did it get
put back together? And what is inside of it?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
But they did this with multiple boxes?
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, and it is so weird.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
It's so weird. And then like our cameras just happened
to stop working at that moment, so there there's no
footage of it, and it was just there and it
was heavy, like it took multiple people to place these
boxes on our doorsteps.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, it was like a group effort.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
But this is the part that scares me about being
outspoken and being you know, I think about it all
the time. I feel like I bite my tongue because
I'm afraid of the people a lot of times, people
with guns that are like, you know, wanting my existence
to not be vocal about my beliefs or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
For sure, I struggle with that too.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
I mean, they hate a woman who you know, speaks
her mind. You know, they hate when we do that.
So it's like I've chosen this path. This is like
I've chosen to be a disruptor. And so it's just
like when Bibles come to our doorstep. It's like, well,
I signed up for this, but you know, we got
a really good piece of advice, which was, if someone's
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going to kill you, they're not going to tell you first.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
You don't worry about the death threats.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
But so the death threats just forget about them.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
It's gonna be the ones who wants to come in,
which then I don't know if that maybe I don't
think I.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Feel much better about that.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, interaction, who gave you that?
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I won't say a friend?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Okay, So on the flip side of it, do you
attract because here's what I think. Every time I've encountered Satanists,
I often feel again with like the Satanic temple and stuff,
I'm like, okay, cool, so many of my beliefs align
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with you. But then I also feel like when I
meet Satanists, I'm kind of like feeling them out and
unsure because I do think that whether Satanism is something
that is meant to cause harm and you know, ruin
people's lives, eat babies, whatever it is, whether it is
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that or not, I think there's people that are drawn
to it and they want to be a part. There's
the Nightstalker, Richard Ramirez types or whatever that are like,
I want to sacrifice humans and do all this stuff,
so I'm going to become a Satanist. And then there's
those people, like do you encounter those people where you're like, oh,
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you're taking this like a different direction than us.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
No, If anything, I think it's like the Christians who
take things way too far. I mean, I don't actually
think there's any Satanists that I know of that are
like involved in like.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
The stereotypical things. I think.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
And here's what I think. I think, for a very
long time, anyone who's refused to be shackled to norms
whatever they may be like, or who doesn't fit into
the box of what you know society has prescribed for you.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
So if you're a woman.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
With some power, or if you're queer, or if you're
a person of color, what they do to take your
power away is they say.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
You're a devil worshiper.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Right, you are a Satanist. And you've seen this for
like a thousand years.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
The witch hunts.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
When we colonized America after the early modern period, Native
American traditions all of a sudden are witchcraft are devil worshiped,
and these were all used as a justification to oppress,
to enslave, and in many cases to murder. So I
don't think it's the Satanist doing the the murder. What
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Satanism has been used as a justification to hurt other people.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
And so what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Because we've always been kind of outside, we're outspoken, you know,
we're like, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Been called basically witches.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
And devils and demons and evil our whole life for
you know, the things that were just like literally harmlessly enjoying.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
We're just taking that power back. So it's kind of.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Like, yeah, I'm a slut, I'm a ways like I'm
a Satanist. Go ahead, because at that point, there's nothing
more people can do to you if you take it
as a way to empower yourself, if you take it back,
and then it's kind of fun to play with these
expectations and you know, don this mantle of like evil
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and spooky and scary and like, you know, just messing
with people a little bit, and it really shows you,
I think, who people are, because if you want to
test someone's truly like how open minded.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
They are, tell them you're a Satanist. You know, it's
not many people that go, sure you do you? You know,
like whatever floats your boat.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Like I'm open minded, I'm okay with you expressing who
you are as long as it doesn't hurt anyone, right.
A lot of people aren't like that. They go, I
don't like that. I don't think that ain't rat.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
You know, it's like whatever, I don't know who that was.
They just came up. It's like the people who tell
you, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
No, I totally can. I encoached that all the time
with like I'll talk to people about ghosts and they're
totally down for it. But then it's like ouiji boards no, Yeah,
that's where I draw the line. And it's just so
fascinating because like the idea of demons and Satan and devils,
like it's so a part of our society that it's
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so deep in people. Yeah, that they hear satan Satanists,
they tense up, they instantly. Because I was raised Catholic,
which I talk about NonStop I'm obsessed with. I am
not a Catholic anymore, but I do find that sometimes
when like I do think if I was on a
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plane going down, I might be like, do a.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Hail Mary babe, remember me.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
But other than that, I feel that I'm very open minded.
My my biggest thing is just like I don't like harm.
Like I don't like people that are looking to cause
harm to other people, and that includes weaponizing your religion
if you think that. It's because that's the thing. The
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villains always think that they're the right one, you know,
Like if you watch a Disney movie, that person thinks
that they are like fully, I'm I'm in the right,
And I think that a lot of times people like
weaponize Christianity, you know, they weaponize it against you and
they're causing harm. I don't like that. That's where I
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draw the line.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yeah, yeah, I will say that our fans on the
crowds that we draw are definitely the most diverse and
like kindest, So I hear than any of the cross
that they've ever been to, you know, So I know
that we attract that.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I mean, I think too, if there's anything that we personally,
I can't speak for all Satanists because it's an individual practice, right,
but if there's one thing that we are trying to
cultivate under the banner of Satanism or whatever you want
to call it. It's just inclusivity, you know. So anyone
who's felt like outside or been bullied or like us,
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like being called names or been called you know, witches
growing up because we're a little bit weird, we want
to be like, this is the place for you, come
on in because we're freaks too, and like we're flying
this banner and you belong, you know. And screw the
Christians out there with their hate beliefs, you know, like totally,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
That's what we're trying to cultivate.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
And honestly, this is maybe like a controversial opinion, but
speaking to a lot of my friends who grew up
in the Christian Church, there is a lot of trauma there.
And I have heard a lot of really wild story
in ways that they've been harmed both physically by the
people in the church and also what these beliefs do
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to you in terms of instilling this sense of shame,
this deep shame that eats at you for being who
you are and literally harming no one. I think that's
so harmful, and not every Christian church is like that.
I've also met Christians who listen.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
To our music and are like fine, and they're.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Taking these principles of you know, love thy neighbor and
whatever it may be.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
And I appreciate that, so I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I think what bothers me most of all is judging people,
telling them to not be who they are because you
disagree with literally who they are.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
In their own life, like hurting nobody.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
So like that's what bothers me. I cannot stand that.
And I cannot stand people who harass and torment and
make a legal well, the ways we want to live,
the people we want to love, like I mean, it's
just like it's none of their business in my opinion.
So I think in a way, that's why we hang
this banner. It's like it makes people who have felt
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rejected feel welcome in terms of like harming people or
you know, devil, there's none of.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
That, Okay, I totally get it. Yeah, And I apologize
for when I put those boxes back together and put
them back You're really good. I'm really sorry.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
How long did it take you?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
A couple hours?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Because like I would have thought, like your life would
have kept you busy.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I've got time now, I've got time when it comes
to that kind of thing. So I'll never do it again. Okay,
we gotta talk about go. Yeah, so where do we
start with that? For the two of you? I mean,
so you both believe?
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I mean yeah, I guess shall we define ghost How
do you define ghosts?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
You know, I'm very much like I don't know what
any of it is, but unexplainable events, you know, these
things that you really don't feel like you can come
up with an answer for. But but it happened, and
let's talk about it. I don't know for sure for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I mean all I know is I don't know anything.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Great. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I'm smart enough to know I'm not smart enough to
know everything.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
No, I like that. I don't like know it alls
when it comes to the paranormal. I don't like know
it all because I'm like, we don't. It's called the
unknown thing. That's the whole point.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So did you okay, did you both grow up with
an understanding or a belief in ghosts?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Probably an interest. I remember those scary stories.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Scary stories of tell in the dark.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, and like I just.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Always loved a good story and anything macabre and like horror,
you know, Yeah, I just gravitated towards towards it for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
So when's like the first time either of you feel
like you may have had one of these experiences.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I would say the most clear cut and dry one
was we took a photo of Grand Parson's ghost.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Okay, wait a second, this is the place in Joshua Tree.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Yeah, Joshua Tree Motel.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I know it. I know exactly the place. Oh have
you been there? I've never been there. That's okay, that's
a good idea. I hate staying in haunted hotel rooms.
Hate it. I've done it all too. But I also
recently came up with this idea to start a YouTube
channel where I go and do that for a couple
of days. That's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one.
I've stayed near it, but I've never done it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
This was like my birthday and twenty fifth birthday.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
We stayed in the room next to his where Emulu
Harris stayed the night he died.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yes, and what's the story with him? I feel like
I don't know much about Graham. Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell me, uh.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Well, Graham Parsons. He was a country singer, you know,
and he kind of made it hip. You know in
the sixties, late sixties, early seventies, you know, period kind
of helped create this country rock kind of moment in
like Laurel Canyon with other people obviously, like he was
in the Birds, the Band of the Birds for a bit, okay,
and then he went off and started Flying Burrito Brothers,
and then he went solo and had just Grand Parsons.
(26:31):
And that was a period when when he passed finally,
he overdosed drinking and drugging at the Joshua Tree Motel
overdose there.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And we're big fans of cool music, and so you know,
we wanted to get haunted on my birthday.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah, So we were out there and we.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Went to and stayed in his hotel room.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Yeah, we stayed stayed with friends, and we were out
there around around midnight or so. We were singing his songs,
you know, and just verse believe being like, come on out, Graham,
just inviting them, you know, you want to sing the
song or whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
We were drinking, yeah, and then which you know, invite
spirits in, it doesn't sure.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
And then you know, her and her friend take a
photo whatever. So I started taking photos.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Because I think y'all are going to show this photo,
and so I need to explain this hat.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Okay, you can't even see.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
You can't see it.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I just would hate to think people, you know, would
think that this was my hat. So this room had
very hobby labby chic decor, like a hat that was
entirely made out of potpourri, you know, like like a
skance like on one of the tables, and I just
(27:45):
thought it was really funny.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
So you want to make it clear that is not
yours your.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I would like might just say I didn't go to
show my hands and make this head.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Okay, we're not going to try to ruin your.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Have a reputation to you, pretet. This is the disclaimer
on that photo.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I understand.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, So in order to clear the.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Viewing of don't you worry.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
So I thought this because I am clown, So I
took the popury hat and everything becomes a hat, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And that's literally was how this photo started.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
It wasn't like we've got a sounds and we are capture.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Goes evil and spooky.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
It was just like drunk and then Zachli turned ashen gray.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
So yeah, I'm taking photos of her in front out
of nowhere, like I'm you know, I can kind of
see off my phone camera but also through the phone
and out of nowhere I can't see with my eyes,
but through the phone, I see the shape of like
a head and shoulders literally float through the phone, walk
through the phone, and I'm just snapping away as it happens.
So I get we got one photo. And if you
(28:56):
look at the photo, the light like it sucked all
the light from everywhere, like every light source just got
like put into this figure like it was glowing. Yeah,
and it's got this crazy kind of like white to
blue color, like it's just wild. And I watched him move.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
What's weird?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Is too for Potpourri privacy, we won't be showing these.
But the photo before and after is just.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
A normal photo.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
So like when this photo happened, we got dark and
this figure.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
You know, sucked it's like all the light.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah, it was like glowing as wild.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You all ready to see it?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah? Can we see it? Oh my god? What is that? Potpourri?
I told Jealous, Well, anyone that wants to see this,
that's ghosted by ros on Instagram.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
So but on the top right, so that was like
the head so again like he's already kind of out
of frame. But ye, so the top glow like roundish
glows his head and then if you look down to
the left, that's like the left shoulder, you know, like
if you imagine someone kind of walking through the frame,
but I guess maybe be kind of right shoulder at
that point.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, that was him, Like but it's like.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
You've got a head and then a shoulder and then
just like the body. And it was like the same
size as a human because.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
You could see us standing. He was about like our height.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Yeah, and that's my best friend Jin and that's me
and not my hat.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
That is cool, I think, especially the fact that it's
illuminating like that and really really adds to it because
a lot of times when we see like orbs and
stuff like that on photos, like they can be easily explained,
but when there's like a source of light coming out
of whatever this is, it's pretty ld.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Chet because you can see behind I'm like dark, there
was no light.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
I mean we're outside in the front of a motel with.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
A flash on, so it's like the flash hit that
thing and then darkened us in the background.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I don't know, because we tried.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
We went on a quest to figure out if this
could like how yeah, it would happen.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
We kept after it happened, we found it, we kept
taking photos, you know, like, oh maybe it was a
weird angle, like what happened with this, and we could
not recreate it. It would not happen again. And I watched
it move. I mean, it wasn't like like you said,
you literally came into the camera and out of the camera.
Like I watched him just float or whatever it is
float through. I've never seen anything like that before.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I haven't either.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
It's definitely one of the good ones.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
So, in your professional opinion, is this a ghost because
this is your forte you're just amateur ghost?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I definitely. I have a hard time, ever officially, ever
saying that's a ghost.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Okay, but you need like a gavel with like a ghost.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
That's what I say all the time. I feel like
I should be the one that's like this is or
it isn't. But I would say again, given the fact
that that the light is coming out of it, it's
so blue. Yeah, and if from what you say that
the way you've described it happening, I mean, it's very
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convincing to me and it's huge.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah, so yeah, I mean I don't know, but we
have no explanation for it.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I will call it a ghost Okay, Yeah, all right, ruled, ruled.
So that's the first time, Zagary, that you ever like
thought ghosts.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Were real, right, I mean, I wouldn't say it was
the first time I thought they were real. I believed
in ghosts prior. I have some family members, my mom's uncle,
he was like a spiritual advisor to the Barrymoores family,
whoa yeah, and there was reports of his he had
like a he lived in the desert oddly enough, in
Joshua Tree, and he had this house with like these
(32:36):
stone figures kind of lining the walkway, and my mom
said she always felt like they were kind of watching her.
So I feel like there was always talk about kind
of like supernatural and he would try and like teach
her with like tarot cards and like Xenner cards, like
you know, see the symbol, you know, telepathically. So I
feel like those ideas were already kind of swirling around,
But this is the first time that I felt like I,
(32:57):
without a doubt saw ghosts. I mean, we asked him
to come out and then this thing happened. So, and
what about you.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Have had you seen a ghost or experienced one before this?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Um?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yes, tell me, tell me.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
But it's a really sad story.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Okay, but I have this thing when someone I love
uh passes away, they visit.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Me, oh soul.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
A few years before that, when I was twenty, one
of my really good girlfriends died. She was hit by
a drunk driver. And this was the first time I
ever saw a ghosts. I woke up in the middle
of the night and she was standing at my bed
and I.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
Did the whole movie thing where I put the covers
over my head and peeked down and she's still there.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Was something I did, that whole.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Thing that's supposed to make them disappear.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
It didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
But it's your best friend, so that's yeah, it could
be worse.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, No, And it wasn't anything.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
It was like she was just there and it was
really weird and it scared the hell out of me.
And then the next night she came to me in
a dream and it was just like, don't worry. And
this has happened with everyone who I've loved who.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Has died shortly after.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I will undeniably have them visit me in a dream like.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Dreams are kind of a place that I, I don't.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Know, work a lot of magic and kind of draw
inspiration from. And I have a strong connection to, you know,
the lunar side of things in my dreams.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
So it's kind of a place for me. And I
also like practice like.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Lucid dreaming, where you like wake up in your dreams
and there's it hits different when you are conscious that
you're dreaming. And so in all of these instances, I've
been like, I'm asleep, this is a dream and I'm
seeing this person who passed away. This has happened like
four times now, and each time they definitely have a
(34:58):
message of like comfort. One though, was kind of like
unfinished vibes. So I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Do you think do you feel like you're a little
bit psychic medium?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
No, because just ask sac I never know what he's thinking.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
That's the thing that is so wild. I am the
opposite now. I try not to get offended by this,
but my loved ones never visit me.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I just don't like you girls.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
They're done when they say goodbye, they're done, and they
know how A podcast about ghosts. They know how much
it would be great for me to tell a story.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, that's rude.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
My dog of fourteen years died. Oh I'm waiting. He
is not interested. Yeah, I don't understand why he won't
just pop by. He knows that that would make for
great content, but also what would be I'm fretting a
nice but so, yeah, it's I wonder why they do
(36:06):
come to you, like, I don't know. I think it's great.
I think it's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I mean maybe it's a good thing, like you've left
them with no doubt that they can move on and
that you'll be okay, and that you don't need to
like dredge them up from the beyond.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
To like, you know, worry about you.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Do you feel like that helps your mourning? Yeah, I
would think so too. Yes, yeah, because they're like, I'm okay,
everything's fine, and that makes me feel better.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
They usually have some sort of weird well, like a
couple of them my grandmother's had kind of this. It
wasn't so much words as a feeling like I don't
even know how to explain it, but like some of
the things that you've been dreaming of doing, or like
really wanting four is like will happen for you kind
(37:02):
of yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Just strange, Yeah, like it's weird.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Shortly after like my grandmother passed away in like twenty
eight seventeen, was it.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Now, We've been trying to do music like our whole lives,
like for.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Hundreds of years and never really got anywhere, and like
we were at the point of being like, that's why
we started Twin Temple is like, well, let's just do
a project where we get to do absolutely everything we
want that like will never have like suits involved with that,
will never like have to be anything but what we
(37:39):
truly love. But I was at this junction where I
was just like I probably should just you know, never
dream of doing this anymore, and I should just quit
and I should just keep doing these crappy jobs that
I don't love and do music as like a hobby.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
And my grandma was like, nah, you're you're to do it.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Like in so many words, because she always like followed
my career and she cut the little, you know, articles
out if we ever got a crappy local piper to
you know, put my name in it or anything. And
she actually liked singing and like wanted to be a
singer at one point. You know, her dad was a singer,
sang it like the pub and stuff, so she was
rooting for me and she kind of told me that.
(38:22):
And shortly after we signed with our agent in the.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Most like it shouldn't have happened, Like.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
We literally cold called our agent who also like Books,
Ghost and Slayer and you know, all these great bands,
and we're like, we just emailed him. We found his
email like out of the blue, like hunted it down.
We're just like, hey, want to like fuck us on
a tour? And he wrote back wow and was like yo.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
This music is brad Like yeah, I actually do when
we're like what co So.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I don't know, but I had that reassurance from her,
and it literally happened when I was out in England
like at her.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Funeral, and it was really strange.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
I can't really explain it, but she kind of said
like don't give up, you know, and so it kind
of gave me this strength to just be like.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Well, you know, I'm gonna keep going.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
It was her my gavel, yeah, but it was.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
So strange that our agent, which is like yeah, hi,
like I don't.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Can you just email people like I mean, like Hollywood,
I'm a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Do and they don't get that response. Yeah, so that's incredible.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
So it was pretty weird. So I don't know, you know,
maybe too serious conversation.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
No, no, no, we love that hair. Here's another question with
you guys having your thud with the spooky thing, the imagery,
the whatever. Now that I know you guys have like
a belief of this stuff. You know, you're open minded
to the idea of ghosts and all that, Like, do
you ever feel that you might conjure up some dark energy?
Speaker 4 (40:09):
No, I guess, well, it's like other than me in
the morning. I think I think about it, like the
concept of evil is so subjective as it is, you know,
because like, well we deem evil somewhere else in the
world they do not, or vice versa. So I think,
like the idea that there are just like evil spirits
around doesn't even exist because they can't because it's so subjective.
(40:31):
Because like I look at like a horror you know,
a picture of a a horror film, and I'm like, oh,
that looks cool. Another person gets scared or another person
gets like queasy, So like there is no blanket good
or evil. Oh, I do think though, in the practice
of magic, you can you know, evoke or invoke energies
that are just like reservoirs of energy that have been
(40:52):
kind of placed there for certain like a tool, like
you go to workshop and you grab a tool for something,
so like you can't access energies that have certain and
tools certain abilities. But I don't think they're evil or
anything like that. You know, it's all how you use them.
You know, like magic is like a tool and it's
in the owner, you know, the person's discretion, you know,
how they use it.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
I've been thinking a lot lately, like there's all these
people that will find my social media and they'll tell
me I'm evil and alone I'm just over here like
making silly jokes about like I went on a date
the other day, and they're like, yeah, evil whatever. So
I'm like, you know what, I've always been so afraid
(41:35):
that a demon's going to pop up next to my
bed in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
But I feel like, because people call you evil.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
No, no, just I've just been scared of that idea.
But now I'm like, maybe a demon would see me
and be like, sucker, we see you. Yeah, what you're
doing is great.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Keep it up probably, Yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
Yeah, it's your interpretation.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
I love that pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Hell has all the cool people.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
That's what I keep thinking, Like, those are going to
be our roommates, so you have to like be cool
with all the people that are going there.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
That's why we're starting now.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yes, that's why I invited you guys here because I
want to be where the good music is in the afterlife.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
You know what. There's wait, so we got rock and
Roll down in Hill.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
You also were saying that you have a story about.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
The Whaley House. Have you been there?
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Of course, I've been at Whale.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Anything happened when you're there?
Speaker 1 (42:35):
The Whaley House in San Diego, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
That was another birthday. I have a pattern.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I've been a few times there. I've never been able
to like have it to myself, you know. I've always
been there during during business hours. Yeah, and I can't
say I've ever experienced anything, Okay, but you have.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Well, when we were in the courthouse all the sentencing
for the hangings.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Oh, I've seen the things spin around like there's like
a it's not a chandelier, some kind of lighter picture.
One time that happened and I was like, Okay, that's
something I don't.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
We just heard like papers shuffling and like you could
just kind of hear murmurs, like it was almost like
you were sitting in on like a like before you hear.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
Yeah, it was just like chairs kind of shuffling, like papers,
like low talking, and we thought that you know how
sometimes you go to museums and they have sounds that
are like.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Recreating like the time period.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
The time period.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
So we were like, oh, like we didn't think anything
of it at all, and then.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
We asked the tour lady after, like what was.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
The happened in that courtroom? And what were like, what
was the like noises supposed to be? And she's like
what noise? And we're like we both independently heard it
and didn't even really talk about it though, because I
was like, you were that right, and he was like yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
I was like it wasn't it was like courtroom ghost.
So it wasn't like it's evabillating or anything, but it
was a thing.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
It's like what they call residual hauntings, where it's yeah,
probably sort of like these little moments in time that
are just replaying over and over.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Yeah, and it was like super boring, like haunted by papers,
haunted by like paper. Yeah, yeah, yeah, my paper. I
feel like we have so many ghost stories to talk about.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Tell me one more one mare.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
No, because you were there for it.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah, yea, that's true, you.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Left me.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Okay. So we were on tour. And what is the
name of the hotel?
Speaker 4 (44:57):
It's it's in San Antonio.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Where Robert Johnson cut a record.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
He recorded as only like known recordings.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Who's Robert Johns?
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Robert Johnson? Have you heard the story of like the
blues guitar player who sold his soul at the Crossroads?
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Yes, I have heard that story.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
That's Robert Johnson.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
So can you remind me that story? Though I know
I've heard it, But what is it?
Speaker 4 (45:18):
Yeah? So Robert Johnson? What like in the twenties, Robert
Johnson is a blues guitar player who reportedly sucked, couldn't
play at all, and he disappears from a little town
and again supposedly sells his soul to the devil at
the crossroads. Comes back turn for the ability to play,
to play and sing now and supposedly he had this
like double voice where he could sing and they would
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be like two voices coming.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Out at once, like pitch harmonics.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
Yeah. I don't really hear that in his recordings personally,
they're hunting, they're cool, they sound great. Yeah, and then
he comes back and oh he's a guitar tredder, you
know whatever. So he records it's for his only album
there at this hotel.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Gunter Gun, yeahn Gunter Gun something like that.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
I've got it. I've got a fact check some stupcoming,
which it is. It is the Gunter wonderful.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Well, I we didn't know anything about this hotel, but
you just showed up randomly.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
We didn't even know it was Robert Johnson, which is
cool because we're fans. That was what the heck.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Well, he wasn't in the house though, Robert was not there,
So I was in the hotel room and Zach was like,
I'm gonna go out or whatever.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Do you want to go out? And I was like
really tired. Oh you you were doing I don't know ya,
we just went out. You went out.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
What what were you doing?
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Probably carrying on like we used to back in the day.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
That's what you do, okay.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
I was just staying in the hotel room, and it
was like I'm going to order room service and just
like hang out and watch you know, TV and.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Then what does the Satanist watch on TV?
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Christmas movies?
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Spooky Hallmark?
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah those are the scariest.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Yeah, but yeah, I was just like watching random.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Hotel TV and I had the full shebang.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Lights flickered, it became icy cold in the room, like
I could see my breath, it was freezing, and I
was like messing with the thermostat and I just had
that feeling of someone's in this room, and I was like,
is it the room.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Service that's here?
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Is what? Like?
Speaker 3 (47:35):
I got really scared because I actually thought someone was
there and I was all broken alone.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Or like I just yeah, and you started texting.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
I started texting him like I think someone's here, Like
I don't know, I'm really scared.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Can you come back? Like this is so weird.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Of course, by the time he comes back, none of
these weird creepy things are happening, so he was just like,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
You're like a lie.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
She drag you out of the strip club or wherever
you are.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Rushed back, so.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
That place was just like what, you're cold?
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Like I don't know because you're I was just like,
I don't know, it's really cold, so how did we figure?
Speaker 4 (48:21):
You started certain? You were like, this is really weird,
so you started googling and then she starts texting me
it's haunted, it's haunted, and I'm just like, yeah, yeah, whatever,
I don't I don't know. I wasn't really paying.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Attention, you know, yeah, this is our relationship. But yeah,
So I found out that.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
A grizzly unsolved murder happened a few doors down from
my hotel room, where they found a bathtub full of
blood and no.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Body and nobody no, Like, I think they don't know
where her body is.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
I don't think they found it.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
I don't think they because I was trying to search
what happened. They might have found it in like the
water tower or that was.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Like does the Cecil Hotel?
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Oh that's right, Okay, yeah, so they just had a
bathtub full of blood and this young lady who was murdered,
and then I lost it.
Speaker 4 (49:11):
I was just like, then I think we came back.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
You're like, did you find that out when you were there?
Speaker 3 (49:18):
I was like googling it afterwards because I was just like,
what is this Why is this hotel so cold?
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Like why what is going on?
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Like that was like not the potpourri haunting. This was
like you know, horror movie haunting, like really scary, Like
it scared the living hell out of me.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I do that all the time when I'm in a
haunted hotel or what if I go to any hotel anywhere. Yeah,
it doesn't matter if it's a ramata whatever. As soon
as I'm laying in bed and I'm done for the
night with my show or whatever and I'm just like chilling,
I will google this specific place is it haunted? And
sometimes I should do that before I get there.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna start doing that before.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Few times I have found like articles of like really
murder occurs or whatever.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
I did not like it.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
I would not actively pursue that feeling, and I would
avoid it because yeah, well, I mean, I'm never staying
in that hotel again. I hated the experience. It felt awful,
like it felt like you're, you know, dying kind of.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Did you write a yelp? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (50:27):
I gave him like log to yelp.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Are the review? Are there's satanic? Karens? Oh my god?
Speaker 4 (50:40):
Not that I've met.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
I think there's witch Karens.
Speaker 4 (50:44):
Oh, for sure, there's probably.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
There's paranormal Karens. There's there's a lot of like like, actually,
that's not how you do that ritual you're supposed to
like girl.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Yeah, actually, oh we have gotten that.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
Yeah, but yeah, like more witchcraft. Like people like to
think there's only one way, you know what I mean,
it's just no.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
I totally know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
But yet as we're talking like, we have so many
paranormal experiences.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
Actually, well, I hope you guys will want to come
back again.
Speaker 4 (51:17):
Yeah, we love to thank you for having us.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Let's do one last thing because we do this pretty
much every episode. Can I play some ghost voice through? Yeah,
it's time for EVP or ev please. Okay, So what
I do is I go to YouTube and I find
EVPs Electronic Voice phenomenon. Okay, this is when people believe
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they've captured a ghost speaking. Okay, So I'm going to
play two of them, and I'll give you an abc
D option of what they believe the ghost is saying,
and I want you to choose the right answer.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
I'm gonna a this.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
This first one was posted by someone on YouTube named
Kenda Elise, and it is at their local Cracker Barrel
Old Country Store.
Speaker 4 (52:17):
Cracker Barrel Ghost.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
They believe that their Cracker Barrel's Old Country Store is haunted.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Haunted by the Biscuits.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
Wonderful.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
It sounds like they recorded this during business hours. Uh
what is this ghost saying? Okay, okay, so you can
hear yes, so you can hear some you can hear
people talking in the background, but then you can hear
this voice. It's kind of like, man, they're kind of thing.
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It sounds like they're singing like.
Speaker 4 (52:49):
A jingle, little R and B. Can we hear it again?
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Yeah, you can sample that if you're now we're gonna maybe,
are you dude?
Speaker 4 (53:03):
Yeah, I'm trying to give it some edge.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Yeah, that's not a bad guess.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
So they bob up.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
I'll give you some options. Okay, do they think it
was A. It is Nancy, Nancy, I got name Nancy.
Do they think it was B This.
Speaker 5 (53:26):
Food is nasty? C I'm feeling fancy or d ooh
that's tasty?
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Okay, which one is that? I'm going to play it
again one more time. Actually, I'll probably play it more
than once.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
I'm going to be nasty.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
Yah, knowing what I know about the cracker barrel, it's
definitely it is nasty.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
I'm not except any other it is.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Actually, ah, it is nancy, now that we know that
potatoes potatoes.
Speaker 4 (54:14):
Yeah, okay, I can hear the sea.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
You can kind of hear it. Okay, wait, I have
one more for you. This one is another interesting one.
It was recorded at a crossroads, or well sort of
not a crossroads like.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
I like the vintage totally.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Somebody was selling their clothes. Now, it was recorded at
a train train tracks. That's the word. A train is
going by, and they believe that they've captured a voice
speaking as the train goes by. Their YouTube channel is
called they still speak, okay, what is this ghost saying?
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Okay, it just sounds like a train.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
Well, there is a train going by. But then there's
a voice that's like okay, okay. Now there's a squeaky
as well that they need to loop up those train tracks.
But there's a.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
Okay, I'm gonna need the.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
Okay. Did they think it was a would you eat B?
I want you to teach C what do you mean?
Or D where's the beef.
Speaker 2 (56:06):
That's grow? I still don't even hear.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
Is it the worst they.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Believe it is? Be I want you to teach. Okay,
now that we know that, let's see if we can
hear that.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
I can hear.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
I think it's I want you to eat or something.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
I feel like.
Speaker 3 (56:41):
I like option a would you eat that a ghost
would haunt a train, just.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
To be like, would you eat?
Speaker 1 (56:47):
What did you eat?
Speaker 3 (56:48):
Like I'm assuming the person farted right, and then like
they're just like smelling it and like haunting a ghost
to troll them over the smell right?
Speaker 1 (56:57):
As I always say, farts and burbs are the ghosts
of food. Yes, it is.
Speaker 3 (57:01):
That's why I'm going Option one.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
Wow, Twin Temple. I can't believe that the two of
you have found each other. I think that there's something
supernatural to that.
Speaker 2 (57:16):
I had to dig for a long time.
Speaker 4 (57:18):
Took a lot of digging six feet.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
You guys are cool. Thanks for joining me.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
I was so fun.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
It was fun.
Speaker 2 (57:27):
I love your podcast. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
I want people to listen to your music and support
all that you do. So where do they do all that?
Tell us what we need to know? You touring?
Speaker 4 (57:37):
Yeah, we're going on tour, Allen Angels tour, Twin temple
dot com for all that stuff, and we're on We're
on all the usual stuff and.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah, okay, well you're dark sided and I think that
we should all send bibles to you. Thank you. Yeah
you do not, No, I think you has a great
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
Thank you, this so fun.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
Thank you so much to Zachary and Alexandra from twin Temple. See,
Satanists aren't always so bad, right, Please don't show up
at my house. Please please don't do any of that
stuff to be okay, I'm just a nice lady tell
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of jokes and having an open mind and giving a
platform to people that I think are doing something harmless
and wonderful. Thank you so much for listening. I love
you all, both living and dead. But if I didn't
ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me came back.
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Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the
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Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the Spookky Georgia Hard Start, and the
Frightening Danielle Kramer.
What's that at the bed spooky? Hey juky, I'm pretty
sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute,
I said, Nandas. Please, Hey boo, it's me Roz and
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welcome to goos To by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where
I talk to people that I like about the paranormal
people that you like. Wait a minute, there's Satanist on
the show today. That's true. My guests today are known
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as Twin Temple. Now here's the deal. I think this
is the first time in the five years of the
show that I have ever had oh open, out of
the closet, good old fashioned Satanists on the show. And
I'm not gonna lie. It makes me nervous sometimes to
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publicly align myself with Satanists. I've had a couple of
experiences where, you know, these open Satanists want to work
with me and do things, and I'm always like, I
get nervous because I know how dumb people are. To
be honest with you, none of you listening to the show,
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But I just I don't I don't want to deal
with the people calling me evil and picketing me, and
I'm not into that. I personally, it's not for me.
I don't want to deal with people threatening me and
stalking me and whatever because they think that I'm sacrificing
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children or whatever. I just don't want to deal with that.
But these people on the show today are indeed Satanists,
and we get into it, we talk about it, and
I have met several Satanists and honestly cool people. I
know all kinds of people, and I do really appreciate
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what these two are doing. They're a real life married couple.
They also are musicians. They're a do wop group, and
their music is so cool. When it comes to the
creative side of it, they're doing something so different that
you're not seeing in the current musical climate, and they're
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also bringing the theatrics to the music and bringing in
this idea of this satanic married couple singing do wop music.
And they do, indeed get a lot of pushback from
people because they're Satanists. They're evil, But then you talk
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to him like, oh, these are just like cool people
that are super open minded and not looking to like
do anything too evil, and I like them. I think
they're really cool. They also have ghost stories, which is
super fun and oh my god, I almost forgot. It's October,
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my favorite month. That's also the month of my birthday.
My birthday's on the twentieth. But to bring in the
Halloween spirit, I think it's perfect that we have these
guests today. And also another perfect thing happening this month.
Why I do have my new videos that have been
coming out on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Oh jeez, Louise.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Me talking about him again. I don't know. I just
wanted you to watch if you want. You know, it's
called Ross Hernandez the Haunted Doll on YouTube. And also
I just wanted to say real quick that I'm doing
some live dates. You can see me on the twenty
seventh in San Francisco doing Ghosted Live, the thirtieth, in
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Los Angeles doing Ghosted Live. The seventh of November, I
am doing stand up in Raleigh, and then I'm going
to Portland in Seattle in December to do Ghosted Live.
And in Seattle I'm doing stand up. So I hope
you enjoyed this conversation. I know I did. We had
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a really really good time, and I think I just
made some new friends. They're friends with David Desmalchian, who
was on the show recently and these are all some
real cool people, so I hope you enjoy. Here's my
conversation with Zachary and Alexandra from Twin Temple on with
the show. Oh my god, oh learned. I'm joyed, just kidding.
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I'm joined by Twin Temple.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Hi, Hi, thank you for having us.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
You guys are so cool. You're cool.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
We're really excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
You're not like, you're not too scary. I mean like
a little bit, but I feel like, I mean, you
guys are Satanists.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I mean we try, but it's working right.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, but I don't find you guys scary. I think
you guys are cool. Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I mean I hate to say this, but at this
point in time, I feel so much more comfortable around
you guys than like evangelical questions. I feel more safe.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I've never met you guys, but I will say one
time I saw you at a fleet market, but I
was too scared to say hi.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Oh was it the blood like dripping off our faces?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I thought it was weird. You guys have blood dripping
down your face at a flea market. I was like, oh,
they must have eaten something in one of those people
that sells the stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
They wouldn't give us a deal.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
No Sunday ritual for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
But so this is my first time I get to
meet you. Nice to meet you you too. So I
feel like there's a lot we could talk about, because
from what I hear, you have a ton of ghost stories.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
So many we couldn't decide.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Well, we have to hear those. I want to just
hear a little bit about the Satanism though. Okay, so
you guys are really Satanists. I mean yes, So how
long have you guys been Satanists?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I mean, do you want to say the spiel.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
You've always been there?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I mean to us, I don't think it's something that
you've become so much as something that you're born, Like
you're born a Satanists in our opinions, because I mean
it's really to us, it's like like a set of.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Values, you know, it's kind of just like a way
of seeing the world, the way of seeing yourself in
the world. Yeah, it's not really learned. I mean you
could learn.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It, I guess, but it's like in your core, Like
it's like, do you believe that outdated norms should be
kind of like destroyed? Do you believe in like individualism
and like the pursuit of like intelligence and self actualization
and knowledge. What are you drawn to like subversion and
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like shaking things up and rattling the cage. It's really
hard to become that, right, right, right right, I think
as far as means that can. Remember, we've always kind
of felt like outsiders and not really felt like part
of mainstream, at least the mainstream culture that they're feeding you,
you know, in popular media, Like we've all been kind
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of freaks, and like we were born freaks and we
were born outside of you know.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
So I get that. So it's like you at some
point discovered Satanism and then you go, wait, this is
describing me.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
We discovered the word for like what we are, but
we'd always felt that we you know, that way. But
then it was like we found other people who put
a nice bow on it and.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Called it what it was that we were feeling.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
But yeah, we fell in the vocabulary.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yes, were you both Satanists before you met each other?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Were you both practicing?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
And well, I guess in satanism and like our practice
of witchcraft are two separate things, you know, So like
like Satanism isn't inherently magical, you know. I mean, obviously
everyone has their own interpretation, but our interpretation is not
inherently magical, and our magical practice is separate from Satanism,
Like we don't do magic to like we don't you know,
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perform ritual to devil or Satan as a being. You know,
we don't believe in Satan as a you know, as
someone or whatever you want to call it. So yeah,
you know, like practicing Satanism is more of just a
way of living and viewing the world and viewing yourself
and seeing yourself as a creator you know, and a
god if you will, you.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Know, so as like the architect of yourself.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
So are you guys more like Satanic Temple or Church
of Satan?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I mean we're kind of all, but none as well.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
It's like we're our own Satanism. You know. It's like
Satanic Temple is primarily a political organization, right, Church of
Satan was, you know basically like at this point, it's
like leavey worship. You know, it's like you have to
acknowledge what he did culturally to like bring that idea,
you know, into like the public space. But again he
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practiced magic. TSD doesn't believe in magic, you know, I
think the majority of them that's kind of their gen sentiment.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well, but they do because then they talk about psychodrama,
so I'm a little unclear what their whole stances, but
they don't practice any kind of practical magic.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Well, I think like with them, you and if anyone
listening does not know about the Satanic Temple, Like, there's
a great documentary called Hail Satan with a question mark
that sort of lays it out there for you what
they are, which is essentially they're just against Christian nationalism
and religion and the government, and they're very much aligned
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with the idea of separation of church and state, which
we're supposed to be. But it's like, I feel like
you could believe, like you could follow their way of
thinking when it comes to all that, but then also
have your own witchcraft practice or something.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah, absolutely that you know, that's kind of like ours.
You know, again, we have the Satanism and then we
have our practice of witchcraft, and it's all it's all separate.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I mean, it's kind of unique to us, you know,
totally it should be.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I feel like in life, it's like build your own adventure,
use your adventures sort of.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah, especially with the Internet, I feel like a lot
of people's practice is very eclectic these days.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Sure, why not? But like, okay, when you're as openly
calling yourself a Satanist as you guys are, do you
have a lot of like scary people you're dealing with
that are opposing you?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, for sure. We have protesters at the shows last tour.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
They were like laying it on real thick they had
made like they printed banners.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yea, they made some. Well, the beginning of the tour,
we had people with sharpies written on them like like
that was the beginning of the tour. There was a
real story over the course of the story.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Was it the same people or.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Different group?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Sure? So maybe just some groups were better. Presentation was better.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, they had better.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah, so it started with sharpies Like San Diego showed
up and there were sharpie t shirts and they were
just like, is.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Not it does not align with that world.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
And this was not even arts or crafts. This was
like a Hanes pretty bloom with a sharpie like.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
God is not dead.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
And I was just like, you know, if you're gonna troll,
like bring your egg.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, go to like office or go someplace and get a.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Second twenty four hour like print.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I think they got our feedback though, because towards the
end they had banners, they had merched, they had shirts.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
They looked better.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
They did look better.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
But but the truth is they're not even like Christian groups. Really,
they're just like anti queer anti like.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Swing.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
I forget the name of the group that showed up, like.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Down for Laveuhan and not down for queer people. It
was really strange combo, like I forget what they were called.
But I think their main platform was like anti gay marriage.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
They had some name.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah I don't know, but they had some name and
that was their secret like mission or whatever.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So I was really proud to have them out there.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, you know. And then and then we've had stuff
show about our house, you know, Bibles show up at
the house.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yes, actually yeah, yeah that was bad.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
We had someone break into our backyard rummage to our
trash cans. They found boxes that we had ripped up.
They put them back ripped to rip seemed to seem
like that looking like a chucky dollar something. Yeah, taped
it all perfect because like I walked out there and
I just stood there staring at this box, like trying
to comprehend why is the box I had destroyed like
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a week prior on the doorstep. How did it get
put back together? And what is inside of it?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
But they did this with multiple boxes?
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, and it is so weird.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
It's so weird. And then like our cameras just happened
to stop working at that moment, so there there's no
footage of it, and it was just there and it
was heavy, like it took multiple people to place these
boxes on our doorsteps.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, it was like a group effort.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
But this is the part that scares me about being
outspoken and being you know, I think about it all
the time. I feel like I bite my tongue because
I'm afraid of the people a lot of times, people
with guns that are like, you know, wanting my existence
to not be vocal about my beliefs or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
For sure, I struggle with that too.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
I mean, they hate a woman who you know, speaks
her mind. You know, they hate when we do that.
So it's like I've chosen this path. This is like
I've chosen to be a disruptor. And so it's just
like when Bibles come to our doorstep. It's like, well,
I signed up for this, but you know, we got
a really good piece of advice, which was, if someone's
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going to kill you, they're not going to tell you first.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
You don't worry about the death threats.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
But so the death threats just forget about them.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
It's gonna be the ones who wants to come in,
which then I don't know if that maybe I don't
think I.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Feel much better about that.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, interaction, who gave you that?
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I won't say a friend?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Okay, So on the flip side of it, do you
attract because here's what I think. Every time I've encountered Satanists,
I often feel again with like the Satanic temple and stuff,
I'm like, okay, cool, so many of my beliefs align
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with you. But then I also feel like when I
meet Satanists, I'm kind of like feeling them out and
unsure because I do think that whether Satanism is something
that is meant to cause harm and you know, ruin
people's lives, eat babies, whatever it is, whether it is
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that or not, I think there's people that are drawn
to it and they want to be a part. There's
the Nightstalker, Richard Ramirez types or whatever that are like,
I want to sacrifice humans and do all this stuff,
so I'm going to become a Satanist. And then there's
those people, like do you encounter those people where you're like, oh,
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you're taking this like a different direction than us.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
No, If anything, I think it's like the Christians who
take things way too far. I mean, I don't actually
think there's any Satanists that I know of that are
like involved in like.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
The stereotypical things. I think.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
And here's what I think. I think, for a very
long time, anyone who's refused to be shackled to norms
whatever they may be like, or who doesn't fit into
the box of what you know society has prescribed for you.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
So if you're a woman.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
With some power, or if you're queer, or if you're
a person of color, what they do to take your
power away is they say.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
You're a devil worshiper.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Right, you are a Satanist. And you've seen this for
like a thousand years.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
The witch hunts.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
When we colonized America after the early modern period, Native
American traditions all of a sudden are witchcraft are devil worshiped,
and these were all used as a justification to oppress,
to enslave, and in many cases to murder. So I
don't think it's the Satanist doing the the murder. What
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Satanism has been used as a justification to hurt other people.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
And so what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Because we've always been kind of outside, we're outspoken, you know,
we're like, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Been called basically witches.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
And devils and demons and evil our whole life for
you know, the things that were just like literally harmlessly enjoying.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
We're just taking that power back. So it's kind of.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Like, yeah, I'm a slut, I'm a ways like I'm
a Satanist. Go ahead, because at that point, there's nothing
more people can do to you if you take it
as a way to empower yourself, if you take it back,
and then it's kind of fun to play with these
expectations and you know, don this mantle of like evil
(18:27):
and spooky and scary and like, you know, just messing
with people a little bit, and it really shows you,
I think, who people are, because if you want to
test someone's truly like how open minded.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
They are, tell them you're a Satanist. You know, it's
not many people that go, sure you do you? You know,
like whatever floats your boat.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Like I'm open minded, I'm okay with you expressing who
you are as long as it doesn't hurt anyone, right.
A lot of people aren't like that. They go, I
don't like that. I don't think that ain't rat.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
You know, it's like whatever, I don't know who that was.
They just came up. It's like the people who tell
you, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
No, I totally can. I encoached that all the time
with like I'll talk to people about ghosts and they're
totally down for it. But then it's like ouiji boards no, Yeah,
that's where I draw the line. And it's just so
fascinating because like the idea of demons and Satan and devils,
like it's so a part of our society that it's
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so deep in people. Yeah, that they hear satan Satanists,
they tense up, they instantly. Because I was raised Catholic,
which I talk about NonStop I'm obsessed with. I am
not a Catholic anymore, but I do find that sometimes
when like I do think if I was on a
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plane going down, I might be like, do a.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Hail Mary babe, remember me.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
But other than that, I feel that I'm very open minded.
My my biggest thing is just like I don't like harm.
Like I don't like people that are looking to cause
harm to other people, and that includes weaponizing your religion
if you think that. It's because that's the thing. The
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villains always think that they're the right one, you know,
Like if you watch a Disney movie, that person thinks
that they are like fully, I'm I'm in the right,
And I think that a lot of times people like
weaponize Christianity, you know, they weaponize it against you and
they're causing harm. I don't like that. That's where I
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draw the line.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yeah, yeah, I will say that our fans on the
crowds that we draw are definitely the most diverse and
like kindest, So I hear than any of the cross
that they've ever been to, you know, So I know
that we attract that.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I mean, I think too, if there's anything that we personally,
I can't speak for all Satanists because it's an individual practice, right,
but if there's one thing that we are trying to
cultivate under the banner of Satanism or whatever you want
to call it. It's just inclusivity, you know. So anyone
who's felt like outside or been bullied or like us,
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like being called names or been called you know, witches
growing up because we're a little bit weird, we want
to be like, this is the place for you, come
on in because we're freaks too, and like we're flying
this banner and you belong, you know. And screw the
Christians out there with their hate beliefs, you know, like totally,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
That's what we're trying to cultivate.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
And honestly, this is maybe like a controversial opinion, but
speaking to a lot of my friends who grew up
in the Christian Church, there is a lot of trauma there.
And I have heard a lot of really wild story
in ways that they've been harmed both physically by the
people in the church and also what these beliefs do
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to you in terms of instilling this sense of shame,
this deep shame that eats at you for being who
you are and literally harming no one. I think that's
so harmful, and not every Christian church is like that.
I've also met Christians who listen.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
To our music and are like fine, and they're.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Taking these principles of you know, love thy neighbor and
whatever it may be.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
And I appreciate that, so I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I think what bothers me most of all is judging people,
telling them to not be who they are because you
disagree with literally who they are.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
In their own life, like hurting nobody.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
So like that's what bothers me. I cannot stand that.
And I cannot stand people who harass and torment and
make a legal well, the ways we want to live,
the people we want to love, like I mean, it's
just like it's none of their business in my opinion.
So I think in a way, that's why we hang
this banner. It's like it makes people who have felt
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rejected feel welcome in terms of like harming people or
you know, devil, there's none of.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
That, Okay, I totally get it. Yeah, And I apologize
for when I put those boxes back together and put
them back You're really good. I'm really sorry.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
How long did it take you?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
A couple hours?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Because like I would have thought, like your life would
have kept you busy.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I've got time now, I've got time when it comes
to that kind of thing. So I'll never do it again. Okay,
we gotta talk about go. Yeah, so where do we
start with that? For the two of you? I mean,
so you both believe?
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I mean yeah, I guess shall we define ghost How
do you define ghosts?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
You know, I'm very much like I don't know what
any of it is, but unexplainable events, you know, these
things that you really don't feel like you can come
up with an answer for. But but it happened, and
let's talk about it. I don't know for sure for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I mean all I know is I don't know anything.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Great. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I'm smart enough to know I'm not smart enough to
know everything.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
No, I like that. I don't like know it alls
when it comes to the paranormal. I don't like know
it all because I'm like, we don't. It's called the
unknown thing. That's the whole point.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So did you okay, did you both grow up with
an understanding or a belief in ghosts?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Probably an interest. I remember those scary stories.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Scary stories of tell in the dark.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, and like I just.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Always loved a good story and anything macabre and like horror,
you know, Yeah, I just gravitated towards towards it for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
So when's like the first time either of you feel
like you may have had one of these experiences.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I would say the most clear cut and dry one
was we took a photo of Grand Parson's ghost.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Okay, wait a second, this is the place in Joshua Tree.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Yeah, Joshua Tree Motel.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I know it. I know exactly the place. Oh have
you been there? I've never been there. That's okay, that's
a good idea. I hate staying in haunted hotel rooms.
Hate it. I've done it all too. But I also
recently came up with this idea to start a YouTube
channel where I go and do that for a couple
of days. That's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one.
I've stayed near it, but I've never done it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
This was like my birthday and twenty fifth birthday.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
We stayed in the room next to his where Emulu
Harris stayed the night he died.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yes, and what's the story with him? I feel like
I don't know much about Graham. Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell me, uh.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Well, Graham Parsons. He was a country singer, you know,
and he kind of made it hip. You know in
the sixties, late sixties, early seventies, you know, period kind
of helped create this country rock kind of moment in
like Laurel Canyon with other people obviously, like he was
in the Birds, the Band of the Birds for a bit, okay,
and then he went off and started Flying Burrito Brothers,
and then he went solo and had just Grand Parsons.
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And that was a period when when he passed finally,
he overdosed drinking and drugging at the Joshua Tree Motel
overdose there.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And we're big fans of cool music, and so you know,
we wanted to get haunted on my birthday.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah, So we were out there and we.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Went to and stayed in his hotel room.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Yeah, we stayed stayed with friends, and we were out
there around around midnight or so. We were singing his songs,
you know, and just verse believe being like, come on out, Graham,
just inviting them, you know, you want to sing the
song or whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
We were drinking, yeah, and then which you know, invite
spirits in, it doesn't sure.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
And then you know, her and her friend take a
photo whatever. So I started taking photos.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Because I think y'all are going to show this photo,
and so I need to explain this hat.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Okay, you can't even see.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
You can't see it.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I just would hate to think people, you know, would
think that this was my hat. So this room had
very hobby labby chic decor, like a hat that was
entirely made out of potpourri, you know, like like a
skance like on one of the tables, and I just
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thought it was really funny.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
So you want to make it clear that is not
yours your.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I would like might just say I didn't go to
show my hands and make this head.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Okay, we're not going to try to ruin your.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Have a reputation to you, pretet. This is the disclaimer
on that photo.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I understand.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, So in order to clear the.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Viewing of don't you worry.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
So I thought this because I am clown, So I
took the popury hat and everything becomes a hat, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And that's literally was how this photo started.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
It wasn't like we've got a sounds and we are capture.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Goes evil and spooky.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
It was just like drunk and then Zachli turned ashen gray.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
So yeah, I'm taking photos of her in front out
of nowhere, like I'm you know, I can kind of
see off my phone camera but also through the phone
and out of nowhere I can't see with my eyes,
but through the phone, I see the shape of like
a head and shoulders literally float through the phone, walk
through the phone, and I'm just snapping away as it happens.
So I get we got one photo. And if you
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look at the photo, the light like it sucked all
the light from everywhere, like every light source just got
like put into this figure like it was glowing. Yeah,
and it's got this crazy kind of like white to
blue color, like it's just wild. And I watched him move.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
What's weird?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Is too for Potpourri privacy, we won't be showing these.
But the photo before and after is just.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
A normal photo.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
So like when this photo happened, we got dark and
this figure.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
You know, sucked it's like all the light.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah, it was like glowing as wild.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You all ready to see it?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah? Can we see it? Oh my god? What is that? Potpourri?
I told Jealous, Well, anyone that wants to see this,
that's ghosted by ros on Instagram.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
So but on the top right, so that was like
the head so again like he's already kind of out
of frame. But ye, so the top glow like roundish
glows his head and then if you look down to
the left, that's like the left shoulder, you know, like
if you imagine someone kind of walking through the frame,
but I guess maybe be kind of right shoulder at
that point.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, that was him, Like but it's like.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
You've got a head and then a shoulder and then
just like the body. And it was like the same
size as a human because.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
You could see us standing. He was about like our height.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Yeah, and that's my best friend Jin and that's me
and not my hat.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
That is cool, I think, especially the fact that it's
illuminating like that and really really adds to it because
a lot of times when we see like orbs and
stuff like that on photos, like they can be easily explained,
but when there's like a source of light coming out
of whatever this is, it's pretty ld.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Chet because you can see behind I'm like dark, there
was no light.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
I mean we're outside in the front of a motel with.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
A flash on, so it's like the flash hit that
thing and then darkened us in the background.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I don't know, because we tried.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
We went on a quest to figure out if this
could like how yeah, it would happen.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
We kept after it happened, we found it, we kept
taking photos, you know, like, oh maybe it was a
weird angle, like what happened with this, and we could
not recreate it. It would not happen again. And I watched
it move. I mean, it wasn't like like you said,
you literally came into the camera and out of the camera.
Like I watched him just float or whatever it is
float through. I've never seen anything like that before.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I haven't either.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
It's definitely one of the good ones.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
So, in your professional opinion, is this a ghost because
this is your forte you're just amateur ghost?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I definitely. I have a hard time, ever officially, ever
saying that's a ghost.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Okay, but you need like a gavel with like a ghost.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
That's what I say all the time. I feel like
I should be the one that's like this is or
it isn't. But I would say again, given the fact
that that the light is coming out of it, it's
so blue. Yeah, and if from what you say that
the way you've described it happening, I mean, it's very
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convincing to me and it's huge.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah, so yeah, I mean I don't know, but we
have no explanation for it.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I will call it a ghost Okay, Yeah, all right, ruled, ruled.
So that's the first time, Zagary, that you ever like
thought ghosts.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Were real, right, I mean, I wouldn't say it was
the first time I thought they were real. I believed
in ghosts prior. I have some family members, my mom's uncle,
he was like a spiritual advisor to the Barrymoores family,
whoa yeah, and there was reports of his he had
like a he lived in the desert oddly enough, in
Joshua Tree, and he had this house with like these
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stone figures kind of lining the walkway, and my mom
said she always felt like they were kind of watching her.
So I feel like there was always talk about kind
of like supernatural and he would try and like teach
her with like tarot cards and like Xenner cards, like
you know, see the symbol, you know, telepathically. So I
feel like those ideas were already kind of swirling around,
But this is the first time that I felt like I,
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without a doubt saw ghosts. I mean, we asked him
to come out and then this thing happened. So, and
what about you.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Have had you seen a ghost or experienced one before this?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Um?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yes, tell me, tell me.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
But it's a really sad story.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Okay, but I have this thing when someone I love
uh passes away, they visit.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Me, oh soul.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
A few years before that, when I was twenty, one
of my really good girlfriends died. She was hit by
a drunk driver. And this was the first time I
ever saw a ghosts. I woke up in the middle
of the night and she was standing at my bed
and I.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
Did the whole movie thing where I put the covers
over my head and peeked down and she's still there.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Was something I did, that whole.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Thing that's supposed to make them disappear.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
It didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
But it's your best friend, so that's yeah, it could
be worse.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, No, And it wasn't anything.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
It was like she was just there and it was
really weird and it scared the hell out of me.
And then the next night she came to me in
a dream and it was just like, don't worry. And
this has happened with everyone who I've loved who.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Has died shortly after.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I will undeniably have them visit me in a dream like.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Dreams are kind of a place that I, I don't.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Know, work a lot of magic and kind of draw
inspiration from. And I have a strong connection to, you know,
the lunar side of things in my dreams.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
So it's kind of a place for me. And I
also like practice like.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Lucid dreaming, where you like wake up in your dreams
and there's it hits different when you are conscious that
you're dreaming. And so in all of these instances, I've
been like, I'm asleep, this is a dream and I'm
seeing this person who passed away. This has happened like
four times now, and each time they definitely have a
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message of like comfort. One though, was kind of like
unfinished vibes. So I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Do you think do you feel like you're a little
bit psychic medium?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
No, because just ask sac I never know what he's thinking.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
That's the thing that is so wild. I am the
opposite now. I try not to get offended by this,
but my loved ones never visit me.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I just don't like you girls.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
They're done when they say goodbye, they're done, and they
know how A podcast about ghosts. They know how much
it would be great for me to tell a story.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, that's rude.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
My dog of fourteen years died. Oh I'm waiting. He
is not interested. Yeah, I don't understand why he won't
just pop by. He knows that that would make for
great content, but also what would be I'm fretting a
nice but so, yeah, it's I wonder why they do
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come to you, like, I don't know. I think it's great.
I think it's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I mean maybe it's a good thing, like you've left
them with no doubt that they can move on and
that you'll be okay, and that you don't need to
like dredge them up from the beyond.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
To like, you know, worry about you.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Do you feel like that helps your mourning? Yeah, I
would think so too. Yes, yeah, because they're like, I'm okay,
everything's fine, and that makes me feel better.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
They usually have some sort of weird well, like a
couple of them my grandmother's had kind of this. It
wasn't so much words as a feeling like I don't
even know how to explain it, but like some of
the things that you've been dreaming of doing, or like
really wanting four is like will happen for you kind
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of yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Just strange, Yeah, like it's weird.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Shortly after like my grandmother passed away in like twenty
eight seventeen, was it.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Now, We've been trying to do music like our whole lives,
like for.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Hundreds of years and never really got anywhere, and like
we were at the point of being like, that's why
we started Twin Temple is like, well, let's just do
a project where we get to do absolutely everything we
want that like will never have like suits involved with that,
will never like have to be anything but what we
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truly love. But I was at this junction where I
was just like I probably should just you know, never
dream of doing this anymore, and I should just quit
and I should just keep doing these crappy jobs that
I don't love and do music as like a hobby.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
And my grandma was like, nah, you're you're to do it.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Like in so many words, because she always like followed
my career and she cut the little, you know, articles
out if we ever got a crappy local piper to
you know, put my name in it or anything. And
she actually liked singing and like wanted to be a
singer at one point. You know, her dad was a singer,
sang it like the pub and stuff, so she was
rooting for me and she kind of told me that.
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And shortly after we signed with our agent in the.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Most like it shouldn't have happened, Like.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
We literally cold called our agent who also like Books,
Ghost and Slayer and you know, all these great bands,
and we're like, we just emailed him. We found his
email like out of the blue, like hunted it down.
We're just like, hey, want to like fuck us on
a tour? And he wrote back wow and was like yo.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
This music is brad Like yeah, I actually do when
we're like what co So.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I don't know, but I had that reassurance from her,
and it literally happened when I was out in England
like at her.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Funeral, and it was really strange.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
I can't really explain it, but she kind of said
like don't give up, you know, and so it kind
of gave me this strength to just be like.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Well, you know, I'm gonna keep going.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
It was her my gavel, yeah, but it was.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
So strange that our agent, which is like yeah, hi,
like I don't.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Can you just email people like I mean, like Hollywood,
I'm a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Do and they don't get that response. Yeah, so that's incredible.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
So it was pretty weird. So I don't know, you know,
maybe too serious conversation.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
No, no, no, we love that hair. Here's another question with
you guys having your thud with the spooky thing, the imagery,
the whatever. Now that I know you guys have like
a belief of this stuff. You know, you're open minded
to the idea of ghosts and all that, Like, do
you ever feel that you might conjure up some dark energy?
Speaker 4 (40:09):
No, I guess, well, it's like other than me in
the morning. I think I think about it, like the
concept of evil is so subjective as it is, you know,
because like, well we deem evil somewhere else in the
world they do not, or vice versa. So I think,
like the idea that there are just like evil spirits
around doesn't even exist because they can't because it's so subjective.
(40:31):
Because like I look at like a horror you know,
a picture of a a horror film, and I'm like, oh,
that looks cool. Another person gets scared or another person
gets like queasy, So like there is no blanket good
or evil. Oh, I do think though, in the practice
of magic, you can you know, evoke or invoke energies
that are just like reservoirs of energy that have been
(40:52):
kind of placed there for certain like a tool, like
you go to workshop and you grab a tool for something,
so like you can't access energies that have certain and
tools certain abilities. But I don't think they're evil or
anything like that. You know, it's all how you use them.
You know, like magic is like a tool and it's
in the owner, you know, the person's discretion, you know,
how they use it.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
I've been thinking a lot lately, like there's all these
people that will find my social media and they'll tell
me I'm evil and alone I'm just over here like
making silly jokes about like I went on a date
the other day, and they're like, yeah, evil whatever. So
I'm like, you know what, I've always been so afraid
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that a demon's going to pop up next to my
bed in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
But I feel like, because people call you evil.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
No, no, just I've just been scared of that idea.
But now I'm like, maybe a demon would see me
and be like, sucker, we see you. Yeah, what you're
doing is great.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Keep it up probably, Yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
Yeah, it's your interpretation.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
I love that pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Hell has all the cool people.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
That's what I keep thinking, Like, those are going to
be our roommates, so you have to like be cool
with all the people that are going there.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
That's why we're starting now.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yes, that's why I invited you guys here because I
want to be where the good music is in the afterlife.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
You know what. There's wait, so we got rock and
Roll down in Hill.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
You also were saying that you have a story about.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
The Whaley House. Have you been there?
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Of course, I've been at Whale.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Anything happened when you're there?
Speaker 1 (42:35):
The Whaley House in San Diego, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
That was another birthday. I have a pattern.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I've been a few times there. I've never been able
to like have it to myself, you know. I've always
been there during during business hours. Yeah, and I can't
say I've ever experienced anything, Okay, but you have.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Well, when we were in the courthouse all the sentencing
for the hangings.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Oh, I've seen the things spin around like there's like
a it's not a chandelier, some kind of lighter picture.
One time that happened and I was like, Okay, that's
something I don't.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
We just heard like papers shuffling and like you could
just kind of hear murmurs, like it was almost like
you were sitting in on like a like before you hear.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
Yeah, it was just like chairs kind of shuffling, like papers,
like low talking, and we thought that you know how
sometimes you go to museums and they have sounds that
are like.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Recreating like the time period.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
The time period.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
So we were like, oh, like we didn't think anything
of it at all, and then.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
We asked the tour lady after, like what was.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
The happened in that courtroom? And what were like, what
was the like noises supposed to be? And she's like
what noise? And we're like we both independently heard it
and didn't even really talk about it though, because I
was like, you were that right, and he was like yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
I was like it wasn't it was like courtroom ghost.
So it wasn't like it's evabillating or anything, but it
was a thing.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
It's like what they call residual hauntings, where it's yeah,
probably sort of like these little moments in time that
are just replaying over and over.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Yeah, and it was like super boring, like haunted by papers,
haunted by like paper. Yeah, yeah, yeah, my paper. I
feel like we have so many ghost stories to talk about.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Tell me one more one mare.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
No, because you were there for it.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah, yea, that's true, you.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Left me.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Okay. So we were on tour. And what is the
name of the hotel?
Speaker 4 (44:57):
It's it's in San Antonio.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Where Robert Johnson cut a record.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
He recorded as only like known recordings.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Who's Robert Johns?
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Robert Johnson? Have you heard the story of like the
blues guitar player who sold his soul at the Crossroads?
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Yes, I have heard that story.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
That's Robert Johnson.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
So can you remind me that story? Though I know
I've heard it, But what is it?
Speaker 4 (45:18):
Yeah? So Robert Johnson? What like in the twenties, Robert
Johnson is a blues guitar player who reportedly sucked, couldn't
play at all, and he disappears from a little town
and again supposedly sells his soul to the devil at
the crossroads. Comes back turn for the ability to play,
to play and sing now and supposedly he had this
like double voice where he could sing and they would
(45:38):
be like two voices coming.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Out at once, like pitch harmonics.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
Yeah. I don't really hear that in his recordings personally,
they're hunting, they're cool, they sound great. Yeah, and then
he comes back and oh he's a guitar tredder, you
know whatever. So he records it's for his only album
there at this hotel.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Gunter Gun, yeahn Gunter Gun something like that.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
I've got it. I've got a fact check some stupcoming,
which it is. It is the Gunter wonderful.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Well, I we didn't know anything about this hotel, but
you just showed up randomly.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
We didn't even know it was Robert Johnson, which is
cool because we're fans. That was what the heck.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Well, he wasn't in the house though, Robert was not there,
So I was in the hotel room and Zach was like,
I'm gonna go out or whatever.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Do you want to go out? And I was like
really tired. Oh you you were doing I don't know ya,
we just went out. You went out.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
What what were you doing?
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Probably carrying on like we used to back in the day.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
That's what you do, okay.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
I was just staying in the hotel room, and it
was like I'm going to order room service and just
like hang out and watch you know, TV and.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Then what does the Satanist watch on TV?
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Christmas movies?
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Spooky Hallmark?
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah those are the scariest.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Yeah, but yeah, I was just like watching random.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Hotel TV and I had the full shebang.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Lights flickered, it became icy cold in the room, like
I could see my breath, it was freezing, and I
was like messing with the thermostat and I just had
that feeling of someone's in this room, and I was like,
is it the room.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Service that's here?
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Is what? Like?
Speaker 3 (47:35):
I got really scared because I actually thought someone was
there and I was all broken alone.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Or like I just yeah, and you started texting.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
I started texting him like I think someone's here, Like
I don't know, I'm really scared.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Can you come back? Like this is so weird.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Of course, by the time he comes back, none of
these weird creepy things are happening, so he was just like,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
You're like a lie.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
She drag you out of the strip club or wherever
you are.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Rushed back, so.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
That place was just like what, you're cold?
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Like I don't know because you're I was just like,
I don't know, it's really cold, so how did we figure?
Speaker 4 (48:21):
You started certain? You were like, this is really weird,
so you started googling and then she starts texting me
it's haunted, it's haunted, and I'm just like, yeah, yeah, whatever,
I don't I don't know. I wasn't really paying.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Attention, you know, yeah, this is our relationship. But yeah,
So I found out that.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
A grizzly unsolved murder happened a few doors down from
my hotel room, where they found a bathtub full of
blood and no.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Body and nobody no, Like, I think they don't know
where her body is.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
I don't think they found it.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
I don't think they because I was trying to search
what happened. They might have found it in like the
water tower or that was.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Like does the Cecil Hotel?
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Oh that's right, Okay, yeah, so they just had a
bathtub full of blood and this young lady who was murdered,
and then I lost it.
Speaker 4 (49:11):
I was just like, then I think we came back.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
You're like, did you find that out when you were there?
Speaker 3 (49:18):
I was like googling it afterwards because I was just like,
what is this Why is this hotel so cold?
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Like why what is going on?
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Like that was like not the potpourri haunting. This was
like you know, horror movie haunting, like really scary, Like
it scared the living hell out of me.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I do that all the time when I'm in a
haunted hotel or what if I go to any hotel anywhere. Yeah,
it doesn't matter if it's a ramata whatever. As soon
as I'm laying in bed and I'm done for the
night with my show or whatever and I'm just like chilling,
I will google this specific place is it haunted? And
sometimes I should do that before I get there.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna start doing that before.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Few times I have found like articles of like really
murder occurs or whatever.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
I did not like it.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
I would not actively pursue that feeling, and I would
avoid it because yeah, well, I mean, I'm never staying
in that hotel again. I hated the experience. It felt awful,
like it felt like you're, you know, dying kind of.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Did you write a yelp? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (50:27):
I gave him like log to yelp.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Are the review? Are there's satanic? Karens? Oh my god?
Speaker 4 (50:40):
Not that I've met.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
I think there's witch Karens.
Speaker 4 (50:44):
Oh, for sure, there's probably.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
There's paranormal Karens. There's there's a lot of like like, actually,
that's not how you do that ritual you're supposed to
like girl.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Yeah, actually, oh we have gotten that.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
Yeah, but yeah, like more witchcraft. Like people like to
think there's only one way, you know what I mean,
it's just no.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
I totally know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
But yet as we're talking like, we have so many
paranormal experiences.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
Actually, well, I hope you guys will want to come
back again.
Speaker 4 (51:17):
Yeah, we love to thank you for having us.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Let's do one last thing because we do this pretty
much every episode. Can I play some ghost voice through? Yeah,
it's time for EVP or ev please. Okay, So what
I do is I go to YouTube and I find
EVPs Electronic Voice phenomenon. Okay, this is when people believe
(51:45):
they've captured a ghost speaking. Okay, So I'm going to
play two of them, and I'll give you an abc
D option of what they believe the ghost is saying,
and I want you to choose the right answer.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
I'm gonna a this.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
This first one was posted by someone on YouTube named
Kenda Elise, and it is at their local Cracker Barrel
Old Country Store.
Speaker 4 (52:17):
Cracker Barrel Ghost.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
They believe that their Cracker Barrel's Old Country Store is haunted.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Haunted by the Biscuits.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
Wonderful.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
It sounds like they recorded this during business hours. Uh
what is this ghost saying? Okay, okay, so you can
hear yes, so you can hear some you can hear
people talking in the background, but then you can hear
this voice. It's kind of like, man, they're kind of thing.
(52:48):
It sounds like they're singing like.
Speaker 4 (52:49):
A jingle, little R and B. Can we hear it again?
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Yeah, you can sample that if you're now we're gonna maybe,
are you dude?
Speaker 4 (53:03):
Yeah, I'm trying to give it some edge.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Yeah, that's not a bad guess.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
So they bob up.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
I'll give you some options. Okay, do they think it
was A. It is Nancy, Nancy, I got name Nancy.
Do they think it was B This.
Speaker 5 (53:26):
Food is nasty? C I'm feeling fancy or d ooh
that's tasty?
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Okay, which one is that? I'm going to play it
again one more time. Actually, I'll probably play it more
than once.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
I'm going to be nasty.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
Yah, knowing what I know about the cracker barrel, it's
definitely it is nasty.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
I'm not except any other it is.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Actually, ah, it is nancy, now that we know that
potatoes potatoes.
Speaker 4 (54:14):
Yeah, okay, I can hear the sea.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
You can kind of hear it. Okay, wait, I have
one more for you. This one is another interesting one.
It was recorded at a crossroads, or well sort of
not a crossroads like.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
I like the vintage totally.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Somebody was selling their clothes. Now, it was recorded at
a train train tracks. That's the word. A train is
going by, and they believe that they've captured a voice
speaking as the train goes by. Their YouTube channel is
called they still speak, okay, what is this ghost saying?
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Okay, it just sounds like a train.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
Well, there is a train going by. But then there's
a voice that's like okay, okay. Now there's a squeaky
as well that they need to loop up those train tracks.
But there's a.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
Okay, I'm gonna need the.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
Okay. Did they think it was a would you eat B?
I want you to teach C what do you mean?
Or D where's the beef.
Speaker 2 (56:06):
That's grow? I still don't even hear.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
Is it the worst they.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Believe it is? Be I want you to teach. Okay,
now that we know that, let's see if we can
hear that.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
I can hear.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
I think it's I want you to eat or something.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
I feel like.
Speaker 3 (56:41):
I like option a would you eat that a ghost
would haunt a train, just.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
To be like, would you eat?
Speaker 1 (56:47):
What did you eat?
Speaker 3 (56:48):
Like I'm assuming the person farted right, and then like
they're just like smelling it and like haunting a ghost
to troll them over the smell right?
Speaker 1 (56:57):
As I always say, farts and burbs are the ghosts
of food. Yes, it is.
Speaker 3 (57:01):
That's why I'm going Option one.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
Wow, Twin Temple. I can't believe that the two of
you have found each other. I think that there's something
supernatural to that.
Speaker 2 (57:16):
I had to dig for a long time.
Speaker 4 (57:18):
Took a lot of digging six feet.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
You guys are cool. Thanks for joining me.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
I was so fun.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
It was fun.
Speaker 2 (57:27):
I love your podcast. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
I want people to listen to your music and support
all that you do. So where do they do all that?
Tell us what we need to know? You touring?
Speaker 4 (57:37):
Yeah, we're going on tour, Allen Angels tour, Twin temple
dot com for all that stuff, and we're on We're
on all the usual stuff and.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah, okay, well you're dark sided and I think that
we should all send bibles to you. Thank you. Yeah
you do not, No, I think you has a great
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
Thank you, this so fun.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
Thank you so much to Zachary and Alexandra from twin Temple. See,
Satanists aren't always so bad, right, Please don't show up
at my house. Please please don't do any of that
stuff to be okay, I'm just a nice lady tell
(58:28):
of jokes and having an open mind and giving a
platform to people that I think are doing something harmless
and wonderful. Thank you so much for listening. I love
you all, both living and dead. But if I didn't
ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me came back.
(58:56):
This has been an exactly right production. Want to share
your paranormal experience on the podcast. I read stories out
loud and sometimes I'll even call you, so email me
at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com. You can
send a DM or voice message to the show's Instagram
at Ghosted by Roz. Give us a follow while you're
(59:17):
there and follow me Roz on Instagram at roz Hernandez
and on TikTok and Twitter at it's roz Hernandez. My
senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is
the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound
designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is
(59:42):
the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the hair
raising Hannah Kyle Crichton. My theme music is by the
spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac.
Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the
(01:00:06):
Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the Spookky Georgia Hard Start, and the
Frightening Danielle Kramer.
Host
Roz Hernandez
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