August 15, 2024 • 31 mins
In a Chancey first, Kevin and Casey discuss two songs from one artist. Will these heathens become believers or remain skeptics?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Give it a chance, Give it a chance, Give it
a chance. Good morning, give it a.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Chance, Give it a chance, Give it a chance, give
it a chance.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Good morning. Give it you want to give it a chance,
give it a chance, give it a chance. Just yeah,
here we go again. Just two friends. So I'm going
to tell you this.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I think I have two songs by this artist I
want to do in this episode.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I love it. No rules, no rules.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We got to give our chancers a little extra bonus.
They've been so good to us.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yes, and you have been, and you have been.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
You've been giving us all of your money and attention.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
This is like I get an award at something like
the Grammys or whatever, and they're like, I just you.
It wouldn't be possible without you, guys. It's like that's
literally true. And also the way it's said always makes
me want to be like, yeah, break out the guillotine.
It's time.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I wish that I could thank them in a different way.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Back to Larger than Live.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Oh yeah, I forgot all about that.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Oh la la Okay, So I'll tell you the My
dilemma is I've also because I've I've thought that I
want to do these I've had this one of one
of them or both of them stuck in my head.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So I'm already letting you know that these are earworms
and they're catchy, but on paper, I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Like these songs.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, And the first one we're going to start with,
I want to say, if you know much about the
Imagined Dragons.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
No, the truth is, I actually really don't. I'm sure
that I know more than I think, Like I'm sure
i'll hear something like, oh, that's them, and I definitely know.
Like there was a Bad Book song called Forest Whitaker,
and that song had like a little bit of play
on like some alternative rock stations and on like it
did very it got a lot of play on What's
(01:55):
Alt Nation Serious Alt Nation, And I've had a handful
of Kevin songs on there, and there's been a couple
of other bad Book songs, but that one, like was
really that actually had like a little moment for our world,
and that was it seemed like it was being played.
I would see Imagine Dragons a lot on the same
like playlists and stuff during that time. So that was
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eleven years ago, but I feel like they're they've been,
they've been going for a minute and going hard.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
My disclaimer is that I think they seem like really
awesome people and they're like I have a lot of
buddies that like love this band. I just really I
have trouble getting into them, and it's just it's so
it's too clean for me or something. There's there's something
I don't love. But they also appeared on in Practical
Jokers and helped us out big time, and so I
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kind of like love them for that.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
This is dangerous for you. I like what you're doing here.
It's like bringing risk into the picture.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I'm I'm risk of a long game to play.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
It is a tap. I mean, I've been playing a
game with my dad for twenty two years. He did
used to play risk together. We did used to play
risk together. He's actually an imagine dragons.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
So this is risky for you.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Ye, risky business, risky business, Practical Jokers and Practical Ghosters.
There's a lot going on here.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So the song we're gonna listen to first is radio active,
but I imagine dragons.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Oh here is radio active?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
It's that.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
All right? Sorry? Radioactive?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
They imagine dragons. Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
First thing I'll say, is I have heard that song?
I couldn't tell you. I fear when I say stuff
like this, it just compounds. It's so funny how everything's relative,
Like in the world in which I exist, I'm like
such a profoundly not hip cool person south Brooklyn, north Brook,
you know, the whole thing. But I feel like when
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I say something like this, it really makes it sad,
very immediately makes me sound like a pretentious dickhead. I
couldn't tell you where I heard this song, but I
want to say, and in like a shopping environment, like
in motion somewhere like in you.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Know, airport, or like a grocery store.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Correct or even like on a plane, like when you
land and they're like thanks for flying. With Delta in
the background, you're like, oh, radio active, I do my
bgg pants. So I definitely know I have heard it,
and I've definitely heard them, his vocal quality, his affect,
their production style. I've probably heard, like I'm sure I've
heard about five or six songs that I didn't know
(04:39):
were them that I now am like, Oh that was
imagine dragons, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I honestly, I think this is my least favorite song
we've ever done.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Wow, I like that this is I feel like, I
don't know if this is right. I feel like I
my general feeling is like you one of the things
that I love about you as a podcast co host,
it's just a person in life is I actually feel
like you have a positive orientation, but not one that
I think is like Pollyanna ish, like you see the picture,
(05:10):
but your orientation remains positive. And I think it's good
for people like that in our lives.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Today. I'm not that guy, but I love it.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
This is great at LISTA.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Always says the same thing about me. She's like, I'm
very positive. And then like whenever I do say something
like you know that what this person did really bother me,
she'd be like yes, and no, what else I hate
is this? And I'm like, well, let's go easy on them.
Like I'm always like you know, She's like, I thought
you were like finally gonna like talk some shit.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, She's like, come on, come to the dark side.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah yeah, but all right.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
So I look, I don't fault the band, but I
think this song's greatest.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Want to start, great place to start.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I think this song's greatest influence is that movie The
Greatest Showman where it's like it's like if Broadway was on,
like I mean, and it's like from the future, and
it's like it's so theatrical.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
It is musical theater that that musical theater with farting
bass sounds. I'm not orienting myself in the chancy right away.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
We can start here, we can, okay, thank you, because
there's just so like like that big radio, that big
like breathing in pause. And then you you messaged me
the Kendrick and I was like, oh, I guess there's
a Kendrick remix. So I went and put that on
halfway through and I found the same place. I thought, maybe, okay, okay,
(06:33):
maybe actually he might get the wrong idea because this
is like a Kendrick verse. I was like, maybe that'll
I think it's maybe his worst verse I've ever heard of.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I'm sure it is. I'm sure he've showed up. I
didn't listen to it, but I would imagine I would
think these are these situations for these dudes. We talked
about this in another episode. I feel like this is
like the least inspired I'm sure Kendrick. Lamar was like,
how much are they going to pay me.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Right right, like with jay Z. Yeah, Lincoln, that's.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Cool, all right, Sure, I can spend thirty minutes of
my life coming up with some bullshit. I know the
coolest thing that's ever on and imagine dragons song. It's
it's disrespect. Imagine dragons. I'm talking about the way people
look Lamar putting anything on Kendrick Lamar put a verse
on one of my songs, it would be unquestionably the
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coolest thing. You know what I mean, he's cool. I'm
not imagine dragons isn't cool even if they're like cool,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I'm imagining what song would be of yours, and I'm
imagining it's like a it's a It's like your song
Brooklyn Boy remix and he's like Compton Boy.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Born and raised.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
He's singing it. You're like, no, no, this isn't what
I wanted to do. This is actually worse for both
of us. But Kendrick, if you ever want to fuck
with me, you know which side I landed on. I'll
tell you what. When you said you're not a colleague,
you're a fucking colonizer, I was like, damn.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
You identified it.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I thought that shit was great that verse that versus
great you go to Atlanta when you need a few
Dallas anyway, please.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Well here's a crazy thing. So the other thing part
of the remix is so what I've heard is that
Imagine Dragons is a very religious band and and like, right, well,
I was gonna say, well, I mean, maybe this isn't
one doesn't what's it called? It doesn't it's it doesn't
not All Christians don't curse. But what I'm saying is
that like curses on this remix. Kendrick and I know
(08:22):
the Imagined Dragons are not like not that they're I
don't I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I guess don't know them enough, but I.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Know their audience like kind of sees them as as
clean music to like you know, like kids go to
their concerts. And I know this because in going back
to the Impractical Jokers, yes, we had like the Jokers
on stage open for them. They let us open for them.
They you know, the Jokers have never played instruments. They
were like, they just bombed in front of this audience,
but they had cursed a few times and then afterwards
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they were like not the band, but they were like,
so this is mostly like Christian audience and that like
wasn't really great and then like they so we got
that feedback and we're like, oh, very sorry, like no
one knew that way, that wasn't relaid and it was like, no,
it's fine.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Everyone was like thankfully, very forgiving.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yes, also you hope from a good Christian you know,
that's good, good time.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
But so, I don't think this song has much. I
mean there's probably some you know, message messaging in there
that's maybe I don't know, uh.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Lyrically we're talking, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I don't see it as immediately, but I mean they
talk about the apocalypse, right, that's biblical.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
That is well sure, sure.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I want. I don't know if we listen to it
now or later.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
But the other song that I gets actually gets stuck
in my head more is the same band they do
Believer You Make It.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Oh, I've heard that song. I didn't know if that
was them or Fallout Boy, because there's a couple of
like later period Fallout Boys that all of a sudden
sound fall Out Boys Fallout Boys songs that all of
a sudden sound like this. There's that one that's like
remember Me, Full of a sudden trees.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yes, yes, yes, which might.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Show up, but another chance, because that songs big time,
that would be a hard one for me to chance up.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I've got them on the list for sure.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I also think it's I like, because you put some
skin in the game, I should put some skin in
the game too. I realized after we did Train that
the guy who manages Train has actually been somebody who
has helped me a handful of times. And he gave
me my very first like boutique publishing deal when I
went before the record Make the Clocks Move, and is
still someone I talk to sometimes. I have no idea
if he'll ever hear this, but I was like, after
(10:19):
I listened to it, I was like, damn, I kind
of was ripping up heat client. I was also, but
I was also not only ripping up heat Client. We
were chancing, and I was sharing that lovely story about
my mommy. Anyway, chances go back and revisit the pod
if you'd like to hear more about that. But I'm
just standing pits and I are doing the Lord's work
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trying to give these songs a chance, even sometimes at
cost to us personal professionally.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
That's right, And I ask we're trying to keep it
one hundo and I think that I'm gonna stop saying this,
but because I because I do never stop, I know,
but I keep being like, oh, you know, they seem
like great guys, but.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
You know, I'm just gonna throw that out the window.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
All these artists are, for the most part, seem like
great guys, except for maybe when we did Aerosmith.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I'm sure they're all great guys. You know. That's that's
no doubt and doesn't have to be in the room.
You know, they can be great guys and we can
have I'm sure if they ever heard of if any
of these guys ever heard of Kevin Devine song, I'm
presumptuoustuff to think they'd all be like, Wow, this guy's
this is unmitigated objective genius. They might be like, let's
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start a pod called give It a Chance to where
it's just them being like, have you heard this bullshit?
There's no chorus, and you know he's not really the
best singer in the world, and I think he farted
during that take or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Or it's like they listen to our podcast and they
rip it apart.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
That would be yeah, this is complete.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
So I think that if I were at an Imagine
Dragon's concert and this song came on, I think I
would get like this is built for a stadium.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
You get hype Doggie, and I.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Think I think, like the live version of this probably
sounds really cool. I know that they play instruments, and
I bet you they like, really bring it.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I bet you it's really charismatic.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Like it's the difference of like, look, I don't like
to throw on Broadway show tunes, but if I'm at
a Broadway show, I'm loving every second of that genre.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Mm hmmm, mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And there's a time and.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Place for it, Like if you go to see this,
it's probably unbelievable, and then you probably take that memory
on the road with you as you listen to it
in your car because you're like, oh, I remember when
I saw them and they got the whole audience going crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
They do this thing, and I think people do that.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I think people like obviously identity is so connected to music. Yes,
I think that this would be a band that like
if you're a fan of this and you're listening, you're like, oh,
you haven't seen them a lot like that, that's when
you really get the band.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Totally and which by the way, connects them to like
the rock. One of the great I think rock and
roll traditions is that there are artists who are great
album artists. But I think so much of what has
made rock music such a vibrant medium for so long
is that it takes a leap live. The best rock music,
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you could say, is music that is like bracing and
engaging in a way live that augments its experience on record.
And I feel like, you know something like this. It
is literally it's the drum sounds, the bass sounds, the
way the dynamism, the way the chorus expands. It is
built for that experience. And I'm sure it's a lit
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I haven't seen them. Imagine dragons, but I would imagine
to exist in twenty twenty four. At the scale at
which they exist. I'm sure it's like a show. You know,
there's like little pyro thing going on. I'm sure there's
like crazy video stuff happening, and it is theatrical, But
I have to sometimes my personal tastes and preferences are
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my personal tastes and preferences. It doesn't mean that theatricality
is objectively a bad thing, you know what I mean,
there's been like a ton of I don't know, David
Bowie's not it didn't lack for theatricality Queen Queen even
like Karen O or the ya yeah yeahs or something
like that, like that's a Jack White. I don't really
fuck with Jack White after like two thousand and six
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or something, because I think he became some weird wax
museum version of himself who's like, I'm the ambassador for
all things analog and rock and roll. But I do
think the White stripes were really potent, cool, powerful, focused,
interesting thing for at least those first three or four records,
And part of it was in its way weirdly for
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like a stripped it's so theatrical. We wear these colors,
we only use these like it's in its way. It's
the same way as like how like thinking you're like
the biggest piece of shit in the world is like
an inverted form of egoism. It's not just like I'm
the best, it's like I'm the worst. Either one puts
you at the middle of everything. Jack White and Meg
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White being like we're gonna only wear these clothes and
do these kinds of it's a what's the word, you're
kind of like setting up these strictures for yourself. It's
like Lars von Treer or someone like that Dogma ninety five,
like setting up these strictures for yourself as a way
to enhance a kind of theatricality, which is all of
which just to say theatricality doesn't have to mean bad.
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I have a tendency to want to push away from that.
But who the hell kit that's just one person's I
feel like that comes up a lot in our conversations.
One persons subjective perspective, but it certainly doesn't one perspective
that's from the Kendrick verse actually on this again, say
is one persons subjective perspective? But yeah, it's I just
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think that they are doing the theatricality thing here with
full embodiment, and I would imagine.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
You are right when they are doing that live.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I'm sure it's like fun, propulsive, cool, and ultimately like
you know, there's music you go to for seriousness and
there's music you go to for something else. And I'm
not saying people don't go to this for seriousness, but
I could also very much see being like wildly entertained
at an imagine Dragon's show. And that's just not even
getting into the song itself from a construction perspective, but
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just the experience of, you know, how they pull it
off and how they communicate it.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
It's funny how like one moment like that deep breath
thing is probably some people's favorite part of the whole song.
Like totally, there's probably people who go, I've never heard
that on the on a pop song on the radio,
and they like look to their musical and they look
to their friends for it and like, well they do it.
At the same time, I'm sure that it's It's like
it's like a and I give it a chance. In
that way, I give it, I give it credit because
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I haven't heard that. But sometimes there's a reason. Yes,
I'm reminded of a very tangany but a friend of
ours was like, you know, wanted to like add some
stuff to his house, and he was like, I want
something that I've never seen before in my house, and
list it was like, there's a reason why he probably
haven't seen it, because it's a bad idea, Like what was.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
It that he was they were thinking of?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Well, that's also frustrated that I think he just said
like he didn't even give a specific because I just
want to see something I've never seen before.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's going to probably.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Turn into is like there's a urinal and his men bathroom, right,
which I have seen, Like I always loved it, like
when you like I would for fun with Peru's like
real estate like listings online and then sometimes you'd find
little things like that, like a urinal in the master
bathroom and you're like, which is wild?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
That's that's I'm really trying to think of what one
would put up that was. I'm trying to think of
something unseen. I'm here too foreseen in the house. Yeah,
it would be that is the like physical equivalent stuff
or whatever the breath thing was.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, I guess it would be like a it's always
like what everyone wants is like you pull a book
and then it turns into a room. Right, But we
have seen that, so it doesn't count. So it'd have
to be like a secret ladder that comes down and
then to a whole wing.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Wow, that's pretty it's a secret ladder. Maybe, think do
you remember I can't remember where this was from. Isn't
there a Bruce Springsteen song called like the Secret Secret
Garden or something. Maybe it's from Jerry McGuire and he's
like he lets you and who yes, there's a secret ladder.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Oh my god, the Secret Garden song. Wow you just
like it just gave me like nostalgia chills of that.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah, doggy. And I think the video had like clips
of Jerry maguire screaming into his phone and uh, you know,
renez el Wigger making your lemon face. You let me
in your hose, all right.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I think we got a cover for it.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
So for Radioactive, I do want to listen to that
other tune because I think it'll give us another scope
of what the band can do, and I think it
will help me see them positively.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
One another chancy thing about this though, No I'll be quick,
I'll I'll be math fat no fat, like they basically
this song is like verse, chorus, verse, chorus, fake bridge,
things just kind of like get quiet for a minute
for it's kind of it feels like it's basically the
reiteration of the verse, but in a condensed and slightly
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different dynamic and then back to that chorus and it's
over and I think if you're writing this kind of music,
there is something I actually appreciate about that that they
just are sort of like there's almost like a economy
to it that I think is really effective.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
But that being said, what's up with this intro? Well,
I mean like this's like almost like a Shin's like
acoustic intro before.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
It's I can tell you what's up with that? I
think because I thought the same thing like almost Fleet
Foxes or something like that. These people in these bands
also like music like that, and I think often it's
a way to like sort of justify to themselves sort
of like to indicate a breadth of taste, even if
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it's just to themselves, or to like different corners of
what might be on This to me is like alt
nation core. This music. It's like there's a whole world
of bands, many of whom I have met and are
cool people, and then we'll go and many of whom
have songs that are just fine. But it's weird. It's
like not the music you would hear. It's not like
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a right word for this. I'm going to use something.
It's not like particularly cool. It's not like Alex g
or something like that. Nor is it like stuff that
gets really big from that world, Like I don't even
like Phoebe Bridges or something like that. It's something a
little closer to the mall than that. But it's not music.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
It's it's it's like what it's like, it's like trailer music.
Like it's like music to put that's like a pop
song that would go on like a trailer. Obviously, this
this could definitely work for like a Godzilla.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I was just gonna say Godzilla, Yeah, King Kong versus Godzilla, Yeah, something.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Like that, but like maybe Pacific rim or like an
action movie, like even Yeah, you've got an obsessiment obsession
with Poseidon.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I'd like to hear that them produce my cut about Poseidon,
and I'm inviting and imagine dragons if they're produced just
like this, like ready, like I'm old Posidon, make me
dons and sing real Posidon, you're the ocean king, real side,
and put them big drums behind that and that farty
bass thing and we all have a stadium anthem.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Real Poseidon, Real Poseided. Is Posiding a Roman god or
a Greek god?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Oh? Good question. I want to say Greek.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
You know, I can't remember because I thought to ask Siri,
or is it it might be Norse.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Is Posidon a Greek god or a Roman god? Poseidon
is the Greek god of the sea, earthquakes and horses.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Earthquakeke what hold up? Hold up?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
That's like also even the way Siri said it was
just like of the sea and earthquakes and horses.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Wow. See you look, chancers, you come here to learn,
and today you did. Today you did? Right?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Is the Greek god of the sea and earthquakes and horses.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
And imagine dragons.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Oh full zerky, Oh, this is actually a song, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
What you said earlier about the greatest Showman is like,
without question, that's nail meat head, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Okay, So this next song I'm hoping makes me a believer.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
All right, we have also I like this. We're going
down to the wire with a double chance.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
First this, I'm gonna say all the words that's on
my head.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I have to say one thing, yep. And it actually
gets to the core of our project. There's a degree
to which it's impossible, like this is it's perfectly executed
for what it is, what it wants to be, and
so on some level what is there to say, and
yet we've established an entire podcast around saying it, so I,
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you know, you can't say that this is like I
know Lin Menuel Miranda is a big Decembrists fan. That
also does not surprise me December's and the Mountain Goats,
which I think makes sense on some level. This is
like this is Lynn Manuel Core, Like this to me
is like the way he's delivering, like the and I
have to say, I struggle, I struggle. I struggle mightily
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with Lynn Manuel Core. I do. I struggle mightily. And
that's an EPP for another time. Maybe we'll do a
Hamilton season. I don't know, but I do have to
say there's something about this that is like, it is epic,
it is anthemic. It is it invites you to like
exactly this would be like as they're cut into like
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and the Chiefs take a seventeen to six lead and
we'll be back on NBC, like they're playing this on
the way to like the fucking commercial for fart Puffins
or whatever is gonna come on. But like so it's
perfect as what it is and maybe this is the
problem and I'll shut up after this. For me, and
this is again totally subjective and perhaps unfair. What I
have to overcome sometimes as an impediment to my chancy
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instincts with stuff like this is that it's meant to represent.
It is positive and sold as something that represents alternative culture.
And my question here is what the fuck is this
alternative too? When it incorporates everything about the dead red
(25:25):
middle of what people you know what I mean, like
like or talk about like this could be music that
would be in like a commercial for any product that
could change it vaguely, and it could be for Huggies
that could change it. And that's that is also one
of the things that makes a chance worthy. It's it's amazing,
it's bullet proof, and this fans speaks to that. But
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maybe that's the problem for me is that it goes
beyond aesthetics to where I'm like, well, what is maybe
there's sixteen year old kids to whom this does represents
an alternative to like whatever?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, you're right, I mean, yeah, what
is there's no counter culture anymore to that, like you know,
like to this, I guess, I guess if it depends
on what you're being forced, like if you're if everyone
in your school likes trap music, and then you're like, well,
have you heard this thing? You might feel like, oh wow,
this is this is the germs or something, you know
(26:18):
what I mean, Like this is like yeah, But I
don't think I don't think that's the case, to be honest.
I think it boils down to choices, right, and like,
are there choices that they made in this song that
you do like? Because there's certain choices where he's like
Scooby do do.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
And he's like, you know, I think.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Those pauses before there's those pregnant pauses. That's cool. That's
a that's an interesting thing. And it's I they've clearly
also internalized generations of both anthemic rock music in the
vein of like you know, we will rock you Shook
Me all night long or whatever else, And they've also
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internalized like the bombastic, sort of hyper aggressive aspects of
like certain modes of dance music and of hip hop,
you know, and and and they've put them in a
very palatable pop blend. But that also has like some
some allusions, all allusions to like sonic teeth in it.
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It's not like it's got like some grit in a way.
It's just also like very sanitized grit. But I didn't
answer the choices. I think it's grit in quotes. It's
grit in quotes, and I think the thing about But
I do think there are those moments they clearly like
even when he gets into like it's like a way
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he's like, he's kind of like building a dynamic and
building momentum to move pace to place. The emotional journey
is satisfying if you open up to it.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
You're right though, it is that it's Broadway grit.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
It's it's like you know, and like Broadways trying to
give you.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
More than I could ever tell you. Yes, I know so, well.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Right, yeah, but I will say to add other another
genre to it. So my friend's dad, like, I've been
to a bunch of like family parties, and his dad
like puts on music and he sings along to it,
and he sings like the classics, like Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin.
He loves all that krooner stuff. And this song comes
on and he starts singing it and it's like Frank Sinatra,
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like he he sounds.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
He starts going. First things first, let's say all the
words inside my head.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
He's a Staten Island guy, and he makes it sound
like Frank Sinatra, and it makes me like this song
so much more. Second thing, second, like it sounds like
a crooner and I love it, you know, you know.
And he even he's like he's like, I'm getting good
at it and he good does like that good at it.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
It took me sho mefield and you know, like he
and it's it that actually even hearkens back to Broadway.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
Too in like like this is very deep seated, which
it's amazing that when you when you put it like
that where it's so Broadway like theater, kid, that it's
incredible that it's gotten as far as it has.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
You know, actually though, and you're you're speaking to two
things that are quite cool, which is on the one
there is something to be said, like I'm also not
necessarily a musical theater guy, and I've you know, I've
it's not that there's none of it for me, but
a lot of it's it's not that might preferred, but
undoubtable craft, undoubtable like that that is a thing that
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people it's it's it's a skill. It's a skill and
it's a it's a rarefied skill and it's cool in
that environment that there's also like a narrative component to it.
It's not it's funny. It's like, it's not what I'm
looking for out of music, which might sound like a
funny thing to say. It's also like the way like
lin Manuel Mirandadamy is like rap in quotes. He's not
a good he's not it's not rap, but he's like
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doing something that's like and so that' music to me
is like music in quotes, but it's not like what
I'm looking for out of music.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Professional wrestling is what it is.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Broadway is professional wrestling to like a to wrestling or
to like a like a like a UFC. Right, Yes,
I'm not saying UFC is better than professional wrestling. In fact,
I think I prefer professional I agree. What I mean
is like the Broadway is like it's taking elements of
music and other things and it's making this thing, and
once you speak the language, you love it and you
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look for those connections. Same with professional wrestling. Once you
once you're on the like you feel like you're on
the inside of it. As a fan, you're like looking
for those.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Cultural Yeah, and the one thing I'll say is we
do as we chance our way. Towards the end of
another app with sixty seconds on the clock, I will
just say this what you did that I love? There?
Tell that story about your friend's dad. There's a song
in every song that is a song I could like.
And to me, it's about how to impose to cover
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this song like your friend's dad was doing. It's how
do you find that wow and communicate it. That's what
I think of every time I'm covering a song, whether
I get it right or not as a material, that's
the thought process. And so what just got brought me
to is part of what we're doing here is what's
the song in every song?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
That's such a topic that I want to keep exploring though,
because I love that, like, like, is there a world?
Is there a way of playing this song a different
way to make us like it even more?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
And you'll find out next time on Chancers that now goodbye,
Give it a chance, Give it a chance, Give it
a chance. Good morning, give it a.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Chance, Give it a chance, Give it a chance, give
it a chance.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Good morning. Give it you want to give it a chance,
give it a chance, give it a chance. Just yeah,
here we go again. Just two friends. So I'm going
to tell you this.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I think I have two songs by this artist I
want to do in this episode.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I love it. No rules, no rules.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We got to give our chancers a little extra bonus.
They've been so good to us.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yes, and you have been, and you have been.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
You've been giving us all of your money and attention.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
This is like I get an award at something like
the Grammys or whatever, and they're like, I just you.
It wouldn't be possible without you, guys. It's like that's
literally true. And also the way it's said always makes
me want to be like, yeah, break out the guillotine.
It's time.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I wish that I could thank them in a different way.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Back to Larger than Live.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Oh yeah, I forgot all about that.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Oh la la Okay, So I'll tell you the My
dilemma is I've also because I've I've thought that I
want to do these I've had this one of one
of them or both of them stuck in my head.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So I'm already letting you know that these are earworms
and they're catchy, but on paper, I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Like these songs.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, And the first one we're going to start with,
I want to say, if you know much about the
Imagined Dragons.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
No, the truth is, I actually really don't. I'm sure
that I know more than I think, Like I'm sure
i'll hear something like, oh, that's them, and I definitely know.
Like there was a Bad Book song called Forest Whitaker,
and that song had like a little bit of play
on like some alternative rock stations and on like it
did very it got a lot of play on What's
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Alt Nation Serious Alt Nation, And I've had a handful
of Kevin songs on there, and there's been a couple
of other bad Book songs, but that one, like was
really that actually had like a little moment for our world,
and that was it seemed like it was being played.
I would see Imagine Dragons a lot on the same
like playlists and stuff during that time. So that was
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eleven years ago, but I feel like they're they've been,
they've been going for a minute and going hard.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
My disclaimer is that I think they seem like really
awesome people and they're like I have a lot of
buddies that like love this band. I just really I
have trouble getting into them, and it's just it's so
it's too clean for me or something. There's there's something
I don't love. But they also appeared on in Practical
Jokers and helped us out big time, and so I
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kind of like love them for that.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
This is dangerous for you. I like what you're doing here.
It's like bringing risk into the picture.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I'm I'm risk of a long game to play.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
It is a tap. I mean, I've been playing a
game with my dad for twenty two years. He did
used to play risk together. We did used to play
risk together. He's actually an imagine dragons.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
So this is risky for you.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Ye, risky business, risky business, Practical Jokers and Practical Ghosters.
There's a lot going on here.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So the song we're gonna listen to first is radio active,
but I imagine dragons.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Oh here is radio active?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
It's that.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
All right? Sorry? Radioactive?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
They imagine dragons. Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
First thing I'll say, is I have heard that song?
I couldn't tell you. I fear when I say stuff
like this, it just compounds. It's so funny how everything's relative,
Like in the world in which I exist, I'm like
such a profoundly not hip cool person south Brooklyn, north Brook,
you know, the whole thing. But I feel like when
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I say something like this, it really makes it sad,
very immediately makes me sound like a pretentious dickhead. I
couldn't tell you where I heard this song, but I
want to say, and in like a shopping environment, like
in motion somewhere like in you.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Know, airport, or like a grocery store.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Correct or even like on a plane, like when you
land and they're like thanks for flying. With Delta in
the background, you're like, oh, radio active, I do my
bgg pants. So I definitely know I have heard it,
and I've definitely heard them, his vocal quality, his affect,
their production style. I've probably heard, like I'm sure I've
heard about five or six songs that I didn't know
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were them that I now am like, Oh that was
imagine dragons, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I honestly, I think this is my least favorite song
we've ever done.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Wow, I like that this is I feel like, I
don't know if this is right. I feel like I
my general feeling is like you one of the things
that I love about you as a podcast co host,
it's just a person in life is I actually feel
like you have a positive orientation, but not one that
I think is like Pollyanna ish, like you see the picture,
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but your orientation remains positive. And I think it's good
for people like that in our lives.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Today. I'm not that guy, but I love it.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
This is great at LISTA.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Always says the same thing about me. She's like, I'm
very positive. And then like whenever I do say something
like you know that what this person did really bother me,
she'd be like yes, and no, what else I hate
is this? And I'm like, well, let's go easy on them.
Like I'm always like you know, She's like, I thought
you were like finally gonna like talk some shit.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, She's like, come on, come to the dark side.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah yeah, but all right.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
So I look, I don't fault the band, but I
think this song's greatest.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Want to start, great place to start.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I think this song's greatest influence is that movie The
Greatest Showman where it's like it's like if Broadway was on,
like I mean, and it's like from the future, and
it's like it's so theatrical.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
It is musical theater that that musical theater with farting
bass sounds. I'm not orienting myself in the chancy right away.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
We can start here, we can, okay, thank you, because
there's just so like like that big radio, that big
like breathing in pause. And then you you messaged me
the Kendrick and I was like, oh, I guess there's
a Kendrick remix. So I went and put that on
halfway through and I found the same place. I thought, maybe, okay, okay,
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maybe actually he might get the wrong idea because this
is like a Kendrick verse. I was like, maybe that'll
I think it's maybe his worst verse I've ever heard of.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I'm sure it is. I'm sure he've showed up. I
didn't listen to it, but I would imagine I would
think these are these situations for these dudes. We talked
about this in another episode. I feel like this is
like the least inspired I'm sure Kendrick. Lamar was like,
how much are they going to pay me.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Right right, like with jay Z. Yeah, Lincoln, that's.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Cool, all right, Sure, I can spend thirty minutes of
my life coming up with some bullshit. I know the
coolest thing that's ever on and imagine dragons song. It's
it's disrespect. Imagine dragons. I'm talking about the way people
look Lamar putting anything on Kendrick Lamar put a verse
on one of my songs, it would be unquestionably the
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coolest thing. You know what I mean, he's cool. I'm
not imagine dragons isn't cool even if they're like cool,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I'm imagining what song would be of yours, and I'm
imagining it's like a it's a It's like your song
Brooklyn Boy remix and he's like Compton Boy.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Born and raised.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
He's singing it. You're like, no, no, this isn't what
I wanted to do. This is actually worse for both
of us. But Kendrick, if you ever want to fuck
with me, you know which side I landed on. I'll
tell you what. When you said you're not a colleague,
you're a fucking colonizer, I was like, damn.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
You identified it.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I thought that shit was great that verse that versus
great you go to Atlanta when you need a few
Dallas anyway, please.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Well here's a crazy thing. So the other thing part
of the remix is so what I've heard is that
Imagine Dragons is a very religious band and and like, right, well,
I was gonna say, well, I mean, maybe this isn't
one doesn't what's it called? It doesn't it's it doesn't
not All Christians don't curse. But what I'm saying is
that like curses on this remix. Kendrick and I know
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the Imagined Dragons are not like not that they're I
don't I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I guess don't know them enough, but I.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Know their audience like kind of sees them as as
clean music to like you know, like kids go to
their concerts. And I know this because in going back
to the Impractical Jokers, yes, we had like the Jokers
on stage open for them. They let us open for them.
They you know, the Jokers have never played instruments. They
were like, they just bombed in front of this audience,
but they had cursed a few times and then afterwards
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they were like not the band, but they were like,
so this is mostly like Christian audience and that like
wasn't really great and then like they so we got
that feedback and we're like, oh, very sorry, like no
one knew that way, that wasn't relaid and it was like, no,
it's fine.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Everyone was like thankfully, very forgiving.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yes, also you hope from a good Christian you know,
that's good, good time.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
But so, I don't think this song has much. I
mean there's probably some you know, message messaging in there
that's maybe I don't know, uh.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Lyrically we're talking, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I don't see it as immediately, but I mean they
talk about the apocalypse, right, that's biblical.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
That is well sure, sure.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I want. I don't know if we listen to it
now or later.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
But the other song that I gets actually gets stuck
in my head more is the same band they do
Believer You Make It.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Oh, I've heard that song. I didn't know if that
was them or Fallout Boy, because there's a couple of
like later period Fallout Boys that all of a sudden
sound fall Out Boys Fallout Boys songs that all of
a sudden sound like this. There's that one that's like
remember Me, Full of a sudden trees.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yes, yes, yes, which might.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Show up, but another chance, because that songs big time,
that would be a hard one for me to chance up.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I've got them on the list for sure.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I also think it's I like, because you put some
skin in the game, I should put some skin in
the game too. I realized after we did Train that
the guy who manages Train has actually been somebody who
has helped me a handful of times. And he gave
me my very first like boutique publishing deal when I
went before the record Make the Clocks Move, and is
still someone I talk to sometimes. I have no idea
if he'll ever hear this, but I was like, after
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I listened to it, I was like, damn, I kind
of was ripping up heat client. I was also, but
I was also not only ripping up heat Client. We
were chancing, and I was sharing that lovely story about
my mommy. Anyway, chances go back and revisit the pod
if you'd like to hear more about that. But I'm
just standing pits and I are doing the Lord's work
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trying to give these songs a chance, even sometimes at
cost to us personal professionally.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
That's right, And I ask we're trying to keep it
one hundo and I think that I'm gonna stop saying this,
but because I because I do never stop, I know,
but I keep being like, oh, you know, they seem
like great guys, but.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
You know, I'm just gonna throw that out the window.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
All these artists are, for the most part, seem like
great guys, except for maybe when we did Aerosmith.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I'm sure they're all great guys. You know. That's that's
no doubt and doesn't have to be in the room.
You know, they can be great guys and we can
have I'm sure if they ever heard of if any
of these guys ever heard of Kevin Devine song, I'm
presumptuoustuff to think they'd all be like, Wow, this guy's
this is unmitigated objective genius. They might be like, let's
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start a pod called give It a Chance to where
it's just them being like, have you heard this bullshit?
There's no chorus, and you know he's not really the
best singer in the world, and I think he farted
during that take or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Or it's like they listen to our podcast and they
rip it apart.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
That would be yeah, this is complete.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
So I think that if I were at an Imagine
Dragon's concert and this song came on, I think I
would get like this is built for a stadium.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
You get hype Doggie, and I.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Think I think, like the live version of this probably
sounds really cool. I know that they play instruments, and
I bet you they like, really bring it.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I bet you it's really charismatic.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Like it's the difference of like, look, I don't like
to throw on Broadway show tunes, but if I'm at
a Broadway show, I'm loving every second of that genre.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Mm hmmm, mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And there's a time and.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Place for it, Like if you go to see this,
it's probably unbelievable, and then you probably take that memory
on the road with you as you listen to it
in your car because you're like, oh, I remember when
I saw them and they got the whole audience going crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
They do this thing, and I think people do that.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I think people like obviously identity is so connected to music. Yes,
I think that this would be a band that like
if you're a fan of this and you're listening, you're like, oh,
you haven't seen them a lot like that, that's when
you really get the band.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Totally and which by the way, connects them to like
the rock. One of the great I think rock and
roll traditions is that there are artists who are great
album artists. But I think so much of what has
made rock music such a vibrant medium for so long
is that it takes a leap live. The best rock music,
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you could say, is music that is like bracing and
engaging in a way live that augments its experience on record.
And I feel like, you know something like this. It
is literally it's the drum sounds, the bass sounds, the
way the dynamism, the way the chorus expands. It is
built for that experience. And I'm sure it's a lit
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I haven't seen them. Imagine dragons, but I would imagine
to exist in twenty twenty four. At the scale at
which they exist. I'm sure it's like a show. You know,
there's like little pyro thing going on. I'm sure there's
like crazy video stuff happening, and it is theatrical, But
I have to sometimes my personal tastes and preferences are
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my personal tastes and preferences. It doesn't mean that theatricality
is objectively a bad thing, you know what I mean,
there's been like a ton of I don't know, David
Bowie's not it didn't lack for theatricality Queen Queen even
like Karen O or the ya yeah yeahs or something
like that, like that's a Jack White. I don't really
fuck with Jack White after like two thousand and six
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or something, because I think he became some weird wax
museum version of himself who's like, I'm the ambassador for
all things analog and rock and roll. But I do
think the White stripes were really potent, cool, powerful, focused,
interesting thing for at least those first three or four records,
And part of it was in its way weirdly for
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like a stripped it's so theatrical. We wear these colors,
we only use these like it's in its way. It's
the same way as like how like thinking you're like
the biggest piece of shit in the world is like
an inverted form of egoism. It's not just like I'm
the best, it's like I'm the worst. Either one puts
you at the middle of everything. Jack White and Meg
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White being like we're gonna only wear these clothes and
do these kinds of it's a what's the word, you're
kind of like setting up these strictures for yourself. It's
like Lars von Treer or someone like that Dogma ninety five,
like setting up these strictures for yourself as a way
to enhance a kind of theatricality, which is all of
which just to say theatricality doesn't have to mean bad.
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I have a tendency to want to push away from that.
But who the hell kit that's just one person's I
feel like that comes up a lot in our conversations.
One persons subjective perspective, but it certainly doesn't one perspective
that's from the Kendrick verse actually on this again, say
is one persons subjective perspective? But yeah, it's I just
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think that they are doing the theatricality thing here with
full embodiment, and I would imagine.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
You are right when they are doing that live.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I'm sure it's like fun, propulsive, cool, and ultimately like
you know, there's music you go to for seriousness and
there's music you go to for something else. And I'm
not saying people don't go to this for seriousness, but
I could also very much see being like wildly entertained
at an imagine Dragon's show. And that's just not even
getting into the song itself from a construction perspective, but
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just the experience of, you know, how they pull it
off and how they communicate it.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
It's funny how like one moment like that deep breath
thing is probably some people's favorite part of the whole song.
Like totally, there's probably people who go, I've never heard
that on the on a pop song on the radio,
and they like look to their musical and they look
to their friends for it and like, well they do it.
At the same time, I'm sure that it's It's like
it's like a and I give it a chance. In
that way, I give it, I give it credit because
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I haven't heard that. But sometimes there's a reason. Yes,
I'm reminded of a very tangany but a friend of
ours was like, you know, wanted to like add some
stuff to his house, and he was like, I want
something that I've never seen before in my house, and
list it was like, there's a reason why he probably
haven't seen it, because it's a bad idea, Like what was.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
It that he was they were thinking of?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Well, that's also frustrated that I think he just said
like he didn't even give a specific because I just
want to see something I've never seen before.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's going to probably.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Turn into is like there's a urinal and his men bathroom, right,
which I have seen, Like I always loved it, like
when you like I would for fun with Peru's like
real estate like listings online and then sometimes you'd find
little things like that, like a urinal in the master
bathroom and you're like, which is wild?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
That's that's I'm really trying to think of what one
would put up that was. I'm trying to think of
something unseen. I'm here too foreseen in the house. Yeah,
it would be that is the like physical equivalent stuff
or whatever the breath thing was.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, I guess it would be like a it's always
like what everyone wants is like you pull a book
and then it turns into a room. Right, But we
have seen that, so it doesn't count. So it'd have
to be like a secret ladder that comes down and
then to a whole wing.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Wow, that's pretty it's a secret ladder. Maybe, think do
you remember I can't remember where this was from. Isn't
there a Bruce Springsteen song called like the Secret Secret
Garden or something. Maybe it's from Jerry McGuire and he's
like he lets you and who yes, there's a secret ladder.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Oh my god, the Secret Garden song. Wow you just
like it just gave me like nostalgia chills of that.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah, doggy. And I think the video had like clips
of Jerry maguire screaming into his phone and uh, you know,
renez el Wigger making your lemon face. You let me
in your hose, all right.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I think we got a cover for it.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
So for Radioactive, I do want to listen to that
other tune because I think it'll give us another scope
of what the band can do, and I think it
will help me see them positively.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
One another chancy thing about this though, No I'll be quick,
I'll I'll be math fat no fat, like they basically
this song is like verse, chorus, verse, chorus, fake bridge,
things just kind of like get quiet for a minute
for it's kind of it feels like it's basically the
reiteration of the verse, but in a condensed and slightly
(19:34):
different dynamic and then back to that chorus and it's
over and I think if you're writing this kind of music,
there is something I actually appreciate about that that they
just are sort of like there's almost like a economy
to it that I think is really effective.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
But that being said, what's up with this intro? Well,
I mean like this's like almost like a Shin's like
acoustic intro before.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
It's I can tell you what's up with that? I
think because I thought the same thing like almost Fleet
Foxes or something like that. These people in these bands
also like music like that, and I think often it's
a way to like sort of justify to themselves sort
of like to indicate a breadth of taste, even if
(20:22):
it's just to themselves, or to like different corners of
what might be on This to me is like alt
nation core. This music. It's like there's a whole world
of bands, many of whom I have met and are
cool people, and then we'll go and many of whom
have songs that are just fine. But it's weird. It's
like not the music you would hear. It's not like
(20:43):
a right word for this. I'm going to use something.
It's not like particularly cool. It's not like Alex g
or something like that. Nor is it like stuff that
gets really big from that world, Like I don't even
like Phoebe Bridges or something like that. It's something a
little closer to the mall than that. But it's not music.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
It's it's it's like what it's like, it's like trailer music.
Like it's like music to put that's like a pop
song that would go on like a trailer. Obviously, this
this could definitely work for like a Godzilla.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I was just gonna say Godzilla, Yeah, King Kong versus Godzilla, Yeah, something.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Like that, but like maybe Pacific rim or like an
action movie, like even Yeah, you've got an obsessiment obsession
with Poseidon.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I'd like to hear that them produce my cut about Poseidon,
and I'm inviting and imagine dragons if they're produced just
like this, like ready, like I'm old Posidon, make me
dons and sing real Posidon, you're the ocean king, real side,
and put them big drums behind that and that farty
bass thing and we all have a stadium anthem.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Real Poseidon, Real Poseided. Is Posiding a Roman god or
a Greek god?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Oh? Good question. I want to say Greek.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
You know, I can't remember because I thought to ask Siri,
or is it it might be Norse.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Is Posidon a Greek god or a Roman god? Poseidon
is the Greek god of the sea, earthquakes and horses.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Earthquakeke what hold up? Hold up?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
That's like also even the way Siri said it was
just like of the sea and earthquakes and horses.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Wow. See you look, chancers, you come here to learn,
and today you did. Today you did? Right?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Is the Greek god of the sea and earthquakes and horses.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
And imagine dragons.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Oh full zerky, Oh, this is actually a song, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
What you said earlier about the greatest Showman is like,
without question, that's nail meat head, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Okay, So this next song I'm hoping makes me a believer.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
All right, we have also I like this. We're going
down to the wire with a double chance.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
First this, I'm gonna say all the words that's on
my head.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I have to say one thing, yep. And it actually
gets to the core of our project. There's a degree
to which it's impossible, like this is it's perfectly executed
for what it is, what it wants to be, and
so on some level what is there to say, and
yet we've established an entire podcast around saying it, so I,
(23:53):
you know, you can't say that this is like I
know Lin Menuel Miranda is a big Decembrists fan. That
also does not surprise me December's and the Mountain Goats,
which I think makes sense on some level. This is
like this is Lynn Manuel Core, Like this to me
is like the way he's delivering, like the and I
have to say, I struggle, I struggle. I struggle mightily
(24:19):
with Lynn Manuel Core. I do. I struggle mightily. And
that's an EPP for another time. Maybe we'll do a
Hamilton season. I don't know, but I do have to
say there's something about this that is like, it is epic,
it is anthemic. It is it invites you to like
exactly this would be like as they're cut into like
(24:40):
and the Chiefs take a seventeen to six lead and
we'll be back on NBC, like they're playing this on
the way to like the fucking commercial for fart Puffins
or whatever is gonna come on. But like so it's
perfect as what it is and maybe this is the
problem and I'll shut up after this. For me, and
this is again totally subjective and perhaps unfair. What I
have to overcome sometimes as an impediment to my chancy
(25:04):
instincts with stuff like this is that it's meant to represent.
It is positive and sold as something that represents alternative culture.
And my question here is what the fuck is this
alternative too? When it incorporates everything about the dead red
(25:25):
middle of what people you know what I mean, like
like or talk about like this could be music that
would be in like a commercial for any product that
could change it vaguely, and it could be for Huggies
that could change it. And that's that is also one
of the things that makes a chance worthy. It's it's amazing,
it's bullet proof, and this fans speaks to that. But
(25:46):
maybe that's the problem for me is that it goes
beyond aesthetics to where I'm like, well, what is maybe
there's sixteen year old kids to whom this does represents
an alternative to like whatever?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, you're right, I mean, yeah, what
is there's no counter culture anymore to that, like you know,
like to this, I guess, I guess if it depends
on what you're being forced, like if you're if everyone
in your school likes trap music, and then you're like, well,
have you heard this thing? You might feel like, oh wow,
this is this is the germs or something, you know
(26:18):
what I mean, Like this is like yeah, But I
don't think I don't think that's the case, to be honest.
I think it boils down to choices, right, and like,
are there choices that they made in this song that
you do like? Because there's certain choices where he's like
Scooby do do.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
And he's like, you know, I think.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Those pauses before there's those pregnant pauses. That's cool. That's
a that's an interesting thing. And it's I they've clearly
also internalized generations of both anthemic rock music in the
vein of like you know, we will rock you Shook
Me all night long or whatever else, And they've also
(27:02):
internalized like the bombastic, sort of hyper aggressive aspects of
like certain modes of dance music and of hip hop,
you know, and and and they've put them in a
very palatable pop blend. But that also has like some
some allusions, all allusions to like sonic teeth in it.
(27:24):
It's not like it's got like some grit in a way.
It's just also like very sanitized grit. But I didn't
answer the choices. I think it's grit in quotes. It's
grit in quotes, and I think the thing about But
I do think there are those moments they clearly like
even when he gets into like it's like a way
(27:45):
he's like, he's kind of like building a dynamic and
building momentum to move pace to place. The emotional journey
is satisfying if you open up to it.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
You're right though, it is that it's Broadway grit.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
It's it's like you know, and like Broadways trying to
give you.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
More than I could ever tell you. Yes, I know so, well.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Right, yeah, but I will say to add other another
genre to it. So my friend's dad, like, I've been
to a bunch of like family parties, and his dad
like puts on music and he sings along to it,
and he sings like the classics, like Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin.
He loves all that krooner stuff. And this song comes
on and he starts singing it and it's like Frank Sinatra,
(28:31):
like he he sounds.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
He starts going. First things first, let's say all the
words inside my head.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
He's a Staten Island guy, and he makes it sound
like Frank Sinatra, and it makes me like this song
so much more. Second thing, second, like it sounds like
a crooner and I love it, you know, you know.
And he even he's like he's like, I'm getting good
at it and he good does like that good at it.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
It took me sho mefield and you know, like he
and it's it that actually even hearkens back to Broadway.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
Too in like like this is very deep seated, which
it's amazing that when you when you put it like
that where it's so Broadway like theater, kid, that it's
incredible that it's gotten as far as it has.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
You know, actually though, and you're you're speaking to two
things that are quite cool, which is on the one
there is something to be said, like I'm also not
necessarily a musical theater guy, and I've you know, I've
it's not that there's none of it for me, but
a lot of it's it's not that might preferred, but
undoubtable craft, undoubtable like that that is a thing that
(29:36):
people it's it's it's a skill. It's a skill and
it's a it's a rarefied skill and it's cool in
that environment that there's also like a narrative component to it.
It's not it's funny. It's like, it's not what I'm
looking for out of music, which might sound like a
funny thing to say. It's also like the way like
lin Manuel Mirandadamy is like rap in quotes. He's not
a good he's not it's not rap, but he's like
(29:58):
doing something that's like and so that' music to me
is like music in quotes, but it's not like what
I'm looking for out of music.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Professional wrestling is what it is.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Broadway is professional wrestling to like a to wrestling or
to like a like a like a UFC. Right, Yes,
I'm not saying UFC is better than professional wrestling. In fact,
I think I prefer professional I agree. What I mean
is like the Broadway is like it's taking elements of
music and other things and it's making this thing, and
once you speak the language, you love it and you
(30:28):
look for those connections. Same with professional wrestling. Once you
once you're on the like you feel like you're on
the inside of it. As a fan, you're like looking
for those.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Cultural Yeah, and the one thing I'll say is we
do as we chance our way. Towards the end of
another app with sixty seconds on the clock, I will
just say this what you did that I love? There?
Tell that story about your friend's dad. There's a song
in every song that is a song I could like.
And to me, it's about how to impose to cover
(30:57):
this song like your friend's dad was doing. It's how
do you find that wow and communicate it. That's what
I think of every time I'm covering a song, whether
I get it right or not as a material, that's
the thought process. And so what just got brought me
to is part of what we're doing here is what's
the song in every song?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
That's such a topic that I want to keep exploring though,
because I love that, like, like, is there a world?
Is there a way of playing this song a different
way to make us like it even more?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
And you'll find out next time on Chancers that now goodbye,
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