Ep. 2: Ghosts, the Saga of the Mississippi Buck, and Mental Health with “Hard Rock” HARDY

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
You're off in God's Country with Reed and Dan Isbel
also known as The Brother's Hunt, where we take a
weekly drive to the intersection of country music and the outdoors,
two things that go together like a crow and a
milking bird.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Or cows and green pastures.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Produced by Meat Eater and I Heart Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
So hop on up Ryde shotgunning with us as we
take the back roads with some of the biggest stars
and creators of the songs You knowing what.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
On today's episode, We're gonna sit down with our buddy
Michael hard Rock Harder Rock Hardy, and the conversation went
so long, it was it was so much fun and
it's so good that we ended up cutting into our
We all had co writes and had to be there
by eleven by eleven, and we kind of went to
like eleven eleven fifteen, so we're in different clothes. We're

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recording this intro a day later. But man, what a
what an interesting cat he is. Man, you're getting an
insight into his life.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
But it's also an up for me too, Like I
know this people, I mean, we know you, We know
these people, and then we're learning more and more about
them every time we have an episode.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
You know, Yeah, you're gonna want to listen to this one.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
We got some there's some cool stories in there.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
There's some funny, spooky stories and the spooky. But we
hope you enjoy it. And thanks for hanging out with us.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Cameo. Rat looks good.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Thank you, man, Cartiflage. Dude, let's get into it. Let's
get it to are we recording?

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Wait? Wait wait no, we're in it.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
We're already in it.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
We just a new term has just been dealt to
us that I've never hang out.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Quit talking. This is something we got to work on.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I'm just saying. I was looking at the pattern when
I came in.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, I don't know what what is that?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
That is that real? True? And I couldn't see it.
But now you're telling me it's hardy.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
We've got a truck.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
We've got an F one fifty to the end of.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
In the parking lot.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, custom with a custom cameos.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Good, it's awesome.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, it was good.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
He's also got what are those what are the moms?
Get to moms?

Speaker 1 (02:06):
And then I was like I saw those moms the
back of the truck, and I was like what's up, brothers?

Speaker 2 (02:10):
What's up? Dude?

Speaker 3 (02:10):
I was like, I was like, you just cleaning up
your Thanksgiving decorations.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Literally said to a front porch, and that's exactly where
they came from. I got a I.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Got a black.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Garbage bag full of pumpkins back there. You nailed it that.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
I just did mine.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
I just did it to it like last week, and
put up the lights. We need more lights, dude.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
You know what is a pain in the ass is
moving pumpkins because there's no structure of pumpkins, dude.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
And we and they've ben't for some reason.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
I don't have a wheel bear out my house and
went nuts on the pumpkins.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
To have a wheelbar. I did it my old house.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
I guess I left it there, dude. I'm living up
in a neighborhood and I know you try to cut
my own grasses. I try to tell you.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
See you know how hard my getting rid of this
is so red Dude, Like, I can't you can't help it.
Tell I read this, dude. So all I did was
take the pumpkins literally pick them up and bowl them.
And they bowled off the off the driveway, out across
my driveway into the pasture and rolled over and the

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donkey's eating them that I was gonna say that the
squirrels of the rap and I did the same thing
with the corn. And this is an interest story about
my my son. I got a a four year old
that is like kind of you know, wild and four,
and then I have a one year old that is
just like this dude really don't give it. All he

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does is like like he is.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
It says tractor.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
He says, Mama, Dad, attractor and ground. This kid, he's
got one two teeth that are one tooth we call
we call it the galooth tooth.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
I'm telling it looks like a bench seat.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
It's crossing. He is gonna give me a run. So
we're tearing off. I'm coming back to why I'm actually
on the story. So we're tearing the corn off the
stalks and throwing it out into the field for the donkey.
And I don't know if a deer wants come to
eat it whatever, And we're just kind of throwing it
out there, and we go back to get more stalks
and I turn around and this dude has gone under

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the barbed wire is about twenty yards on the other
side of the fence with the dang donkey walking right
at him, and Shane's like, she's on front porch. She
was like, oh my god, dang it.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Burn, Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
I mean you think about it. I mean, nothing happened.
He came back and everything's fine.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Donkeys are literally like killing coyotes and stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, you think about a human this big growling out.
Oh my god, he was growling that a donkey. I'll
tell you, man, we're already into kids, but bro, make
sure you want them.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Yeah, what's the what, Swiperce says, Man, No, I'm just
not I'm not prying.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
I'm just saying, make sure.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
You want them.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
We get married when.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
A little over a year ago and we're thinking about it.
She's she's call a little bit younger than me, so
she wants to travel a little bit more. And I
totally get that. When I was her age, I wouldn't
even thinking about anything life planning out. So I completely
respect it. And we got time. I was like, let's
do it.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
You had a little tons of time.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
The only the only thing is thirty three.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Oh bro, a pup, you got to you have tons
of time.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
We just uh, all of our kids, like Hunter Felts
is one of my best friends. And like McNair and
and all my dude, my friends back home got kids
in like middle school.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
You know what different we're all late. Like, we're all
I mean, we just had two. I had one. Well
I've got two, but I mean me and him and
Luke all had kids at the same time. And mcnaire
like they all kind of came in the same little window.
R yeah, yeah, yeah, So which feels late, but it's not.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
It does. And I think we've made the joke. Let's
we're gonna wait till everybody has their second round of kids,
and then we're gonna have our first.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
I think with our Me and mcnaer actually talked about
this yesterday. We wrote I think with our industry and
with our career like it, it takes a little longer
to get where you want to be financially or you know,
status wise, or kind of like locked in and you
have to devote man the amount of time and energy
that you have to devote to this thing as a

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as an artist, for sure, but even as a songwriter,
like you don't have I mean, you don't have time
and you can make sure your ducks are in the road, yeah, man,
and people make it work, and people have kids before
way before they move into town, and they make it work.
But I think if you if you move here with
the intention of, like if you're a single dude moving
here with the intention of trying to get your career

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off the ground as a songwriter or an artist, man,
like marriage and kids is kind of not on the
forefront of your mind.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yeah, definitely so.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
And I was a same boat.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
I mean I didn't me and Jordan get married till
I was thirty three, and then we had our first kid.
I was thirty five and or thirty four.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Yeah, we're probably gonna be on that timeline.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, that's where I was saying.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Go ahead and get you go ahead and did just
get it quit and get two hundred two and get
some of that life.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Oh man, I think I'm good on that.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Guess in her two life, Cally wants four come on
with that's what I want.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, we're it too. And uh, but I come from
a big family. You got a sister, don't you.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
I have one sister. Yeah, So it was just do
y'all have other siblings to.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
See four?

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, no way, all four years apart.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
So like my sister, Oh, wow four years Dan, four
years May.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
There's twelve years difference between Wow.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Bless my mama, our baby sister.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Just met Ernest the other day. She said, oh my god,
hilarious because she was like, hey, I think you know
my brothers and he was like, what you know? I
mean you obviously yeah. He was like. She was like, yeah,
Dan and Red is one. She said. He went no,
what and he was like, yeah, where was it? He
places is really random? But she works down here and

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he played at some little was that the truest building
right here? He played I don't know, he played something
and that it was. She was there and he just
he played I think he played Tennessee Queen or something.
She was like, hey, my brother wrote that. She was like.
He was like, no, he didn't. He was like, yeah,
it was this one. She was like.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
He was like, oh yeah, if he didn't play that, that
was a nice little plug. Yeah for your team, all right,
so we could buddy buddy this thing to death. We've
got yeah, we've got to my left, a good buddy,
a fellow Mississippi, and.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
A dog in the house.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Today.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
He got that dog and we got Michael Hardy on.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
The couch, dude. This is we've podcasted before. This is
a ways back years ago. We were nothing then, not
that we're anything now.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
But.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
A little a little bit more more legitimate.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
This is a big time.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
The light The lighting is actually right.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Saying last time we were just I called a buddy
and I was like, hey, bro, we're gonna podcast with
Hardy and I don't know how to set up microphone stuff.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Can you record three dudes? He's like yeah. Man's like
all right, that's.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Right, yeah, man.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Well I'm good.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
It's it's good to be back, dude, you've been last year.
I listened to every single podcast over again, the Deer Standing,
and then when I finished, I was like sad because
I was like, damn.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
We're back, bro fully yeah Jamison, you know Rogers actually
shot a deer listening to our podcast. Did he got
to ask him about it?

Speaker 1 (09:13):
It's probably six point oh probably probably six point killer.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Speaking of six points, oh that's the time I saw you.
I said, hey, man, I'll kill a deer tomorrow morning, dude,
And I killed that deer.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
You did after the b of my awards. I don't
even know how you did that.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Oh well, honestly, because I'd have killed him if he
didn't go murdered me. That's the only deer that we've
had on camera that is like, is the that was
the guy?

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Man?

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Did you score him?

Speaker 2 (09:43):
No? I haven't, but I would have. I mean with
that drop time, dude.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
But he's the sickest one.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Twenty.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
When you say when twenty, they're like, oh.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
We're talking about six, dude.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
This is a six point seven seven dropped kind of
two drops on both sides.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
This deer is is six years old, dude, he was
the man.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
That's me.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
It was man, it was They ain't got to see
him be the man to down there in the bottom.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
Literally was was he chasing?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
So I'll just set the story up. So I've had
this deer.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
I don't talk for thirty five minutes. You're looking at
Grace because it's it's a true thing. She's laughing over
there because she knows.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
I told one story for forty They asked me to
do it, though I wasn't go. I want to hear it.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
I want to hear it.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
So I've been seeing this deer. So I bought my place,
acquired some aggredge that backs up to it. And I've
been watching this deer that was just a clean six,
but he was even as a two year old, it
was high, and I was like, man, that's a cool deer.
I hope he makes it. Nobody out there wants to
shoot a six point. They shoot something bigger. So he

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just kept getting past, which is awesome. I'd see I
saw him the next year and the next year and
next year, and we.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Stayed a six.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
He stayed of six.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
I don't think people in that area, Sorry to interrupt you,
I don't. I don't think people in that area knew
how special that deer was, man, which I think they
looked at him and saw a six point, but didn't
see a five year old six point right.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I found his sheds at four. We found Shyanne was
walking around.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
But he was a beast.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Then he was a beast at four, found him at five.
I had him at five, like at eighty yards during rifle,
and I was like, man, I mean I was so
close to shooting him, but it was like a week
before season was out, and I was like, bro, if
he'll hang right here and just get one more, dude,
he could be something special because you know a lot

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of times white tail, at least in our area. Make
that jump anywhere from four to five, five to.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Six, six seven, you start seeing some cool, some cool,
cool cool stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah. So the trouble is getting a deer to be
that old, right, having enough to hold him. So he stayed,
he was staying tight, and I was like, man, I
think I can do this. I called read or I
face timed him while he was in the field, and
I was like, should I let this deer go? And
He's like, dude, one more year? Just think about you know,
he is right because he was just a big, based

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heavy his twos. I should have I should have brought
I have the sheds. Actually, don't go get them. Okay,
so I had he probably had, he probably had thirteen
inch twos, but they were, you know, like that. Yeah,
So I let him go, didn't shoot him. So I
still haven't shot a deer off my property in the
six years that I've had it. We could start getting
trail paint pictures of him this year. I remember the

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first trail campaign. Do we We called each other, We're like,
is that him? That's gotta be hum And he had
he had that, he had just grown that, he had
just grown that he never had anything like that before.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
He was the prettiest.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
He was just clean, clean, awesome, heavy six And so
when he showed up, he.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Was trying to drop.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Sorry, he was trying to drop on the other side,
he's got like on the dropping out. If he'd gone
one more year, which Dad probably should have passed him
this year, and he had a double seven inch dropped
on a sea. Chance, he messed up, so I hunted him.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
He wasn't very, he was just old. Yeah, the only
way I would explain it. He was so cool, like
being an old deer. He would come out pre season,
he would come out and eat in my clover plot,
in my in my food plots. But the day season
started nocturnal.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
It's a different story with you have to hunt those
old deer. I say that it was actually probably a
week before season started. He went completely nocturnal that day.
I'm talking about eleven o'clock this time. I know, right,
he would he would go like eleven o'clock at night,
and he might pop in there at four or three thirty,
but he was never within an hour and a half

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of sunlight, right goes on, goes through both, so I
don't hunt him I was like, I'm not pushing this deer.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
I know he's hanging tight, and he was. We would
get nine pictures of him. We never get any daylight
pictures of him. Had I was out with Loot this year,
so I was in Australia getting trail cam pictures of this.
Oh my god, yeah, brutal. So I didn't so, which
was actually good because I didn't hunt him. I think
outside pressure probably pushed him even more on me.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
You could just thank me for going out there and
hunting this deer without you being here and helping me,
like me helping you keep that dear down for.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
You too, Thanks dude, So we always find a way
to make it about you. So you're welcome. So anyway,
I get back. Both season is wrapping up. I hunted
him two afternoons. He was starting to get close to daylight.
He wasn't in daylight, but he would be like thirty
minutes just outside of daylight.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
And we were starting to get toward rud a little bit.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
So we go side on. Uh, something happened. I didn't
hunt him, maybe the first week of Muzzloader or we
were gone or something. Anyway, we get back Me and
reader signing in our musloaders.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Three afternoon and he goes, oh my god, and.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
I was like, what He's like, he's standing in your
food plot right now. And he was four thirty. He
was just standing there eating clover.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
And Reid was like, and we had that cold front.
That was a week of the bm I s. Yeah,
so we had a cold front coming.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Coming after that. After the it was still warm.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Still warm. It was like seventies was supposed to drop
into the thirties. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
I hunted that front a little bit, like one day.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, it was much did you I guess you must
loaded or did you bow? No? A bow crossbow? Nice
on the field. So I'm like, cold friend's coming here
it comes. Go. The BMIs kicks in that night. I
woke up that morning.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Don't get home till twelve thirty one. I don't know,
it was late.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
You were the last you the last person I talked to,
like a half Yeah. So I got home, went to bed,
woke up stinking, smelling like cigarettes and whiskey, you know.
And I was like, man, I ain't going not because
I smoked or drink, just because I was around people
that did. And I walked outside and I let the

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dog out, and I might have been peeing off my
back porch. I don't know. I might have been standing
there whatever, and the wind hit me from the north
perfectly in the face, and I was like, damn, dude,
this is perfect. And it was drizzling. Yeah, it was
as hell, dude. So I was like, all right, I'm
going went inside, got my stuff on, stinking knew I stump,

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but it didn't matter. The wind was perfect. Took my
card all the way around, my plaarifs all the way around,
came in on the opposite in, walked to my stand.
Seven o'clock doors come out. I have to be back
at seven thirty.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
Shine.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
It's gonna take my little girls school at seven thirty,
so I have to be there with wild ass boon
at seven thirty. It's seven. It's seven, seven o'clock. When
they come out at seventeen, they all bump back like
like you know that they're all looking in the same direction.
And I was like, man, something's to my left. And
I have an elevated ground blind that I set a
couple of years back, and I just peeked through this

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little sliver of a window and bro he's on a
dough really like, I'm looking at him head on. I
see the drop time. He is on a doze back dude,
And I was like, oh, for aunt, that's what he
was saying. So I'm like, I feel the drop and
trying to chill out. I reach over get my muzzle loader.

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I'm coming out of the window with it. I'm like, Okay,
if this dough turns this corner and he follows her,
he'll be at fifty perfectly brought up. Yeah. Sure enough,
she comes up, turns the corner, he comes up behind it,
and you know, he's just like kind of you know
at that point, because I mean he he did it
like he Bretter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw him. I

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saw the Dame pump and everything. So he gets off
and he's walking. You tell he's kind of walking, and
I was like, dude, I mean this much of the
barrel out of the gun. I went to fifty yards. Smoke, dude.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
Any party run thirty yards, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
But I had I mean, it couldn't have been more
like there was no oh my god, he's out of here,
or I mean he was owner dude. Yeah, then that
deer falls another buck pops out of the trail, same
trail breeds her again. Then another buck popped out of
the scene. I mean, dude, you just had a hot
I had a mag Dude.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Hot dough changes the game, man.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Hot dough is stronger than anything you can plant, pour
out pour If you got that dough, you're in you
have a book.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Good for you, dude.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
I'm I'm pumped for your Mississippi. But I got a
picture of him.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Oh the saga still is going with that.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
I like, I like this saga.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
How has that been?

Speaker 4 (18:34):
How long?

Speaker 2 (18:35):
This year? Three years?

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Come on?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
This is the cat.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
He was a one forty as a three year old.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
I swear to god he was the one.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Forty a three year old.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
This is the cat.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Oh my gosh, look at that.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Get that frame from Mississippi too.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Yeah, he's the biggest buck I've ever had on camera anywhere.
I was hunting in Vicksburg three years ago with a
buddy of mine and I got a picture of this deer.
We have a feeder across from our camp, our deer
camp across the pond. That's just kind of a no
you set to keep the camera on it. We just
you know, it's just anough and we have a feeder
over there, just something to see what's you know, just

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another spot to see what's you know, what's coming through whatever.
And he comes in at seven thirty in the morning
and eats corn for like an hour. And I've just
got like ten pictures of him. And I'm over here
in Vicksburg.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
And I'm seeing nothing, no, and.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
I'm just like it's always the case. And I'd never
seen him before, and I was like, I have a
giant at our deer camp right now. It was last year,
two years ago. Two anyway, hunted him hard, never saw him.
He would I had a few daylight pictures of him.
He just he would come out during the run anything.
It was weird. It was really weird. But anyway, we
kind of figured out, like my thankfully, my buddy to

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my my right hunts a big piece of property and
he's got cameras everywhere, and we had him. We figured
out the loop he was making, you know what I mean.
And anyway, it's no good like that it is and
he's a good way. It's it's one of those where
his name's Dylan, and I've told him I'm like if
you kill it or if I kill it.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
I was like, it's a wind like it.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
So anyway, uh, never nobody ever saw him, had daylight
pictures of him. Just didn't wasn't in the right place
or I was. Usually it was like usually when I
was gone. Really what it was is there was a lot.
It was always when I'd come back to Nashville and
there was no activity out there, no truck doors slamming,
you know what I mean. Smart? Yes. So then the
next year, this is last year, we got him again.

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He was taller, but he was damn near pencil horn.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah. I remember.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
He'd been coming in like six fifteen, six thirty at night.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
But unseasonably hot last year because we were both hunting
Mississippi at the same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because we
were over in West Point.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
Yeah, and I was. I finally I got up at
five thirty. There was a north wind and my buddy said,
he just left my feet or he's going to cross
your cutover and hour.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
And a half, Oh my god, I got.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Chill taken him. So I get to stand seven fifteen.
It's an overcast day and it's a cutover that is new,
so everything out there is gray. It's the color of
a deer. And it's like two hundred and seventy five yards.
I see a dough kind of just trotting across. And
I put my gun out the window, and that had.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Been it had been an hour and a half. I mean,
was it close.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Around an hour and a half and I and I
put my gun out there, and he's there. He is
two hundred and seventy five yard twenty five six thirty
five or thirty thirty oh six, And uh, I didn't
shoot him. I had it on him, and I was
just like, I'm not the saint. It's not going down
like this?

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Why why was it?

Speaker 4 (21:38):
I just I've never made that shot before.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Too far, too far.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
That's a long It's good on you, man and little man.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Everybody from west of the Missisippi's gonna be like two
hundred seventy five dude, when you when you are from
where we are, from your hardwood hunter, well, I mean
there's not very many three hundred yard shots where we live.
It's just a long shot.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
It's a long shot for especially if you've never taken
it before, staring down the scope at an animal that
you've you've thought about for the past two years.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yeah, that's that, dude. I just I knew. I was like,
I can't. I'm not gonna make an ethical shot red
And dude, the thing is is we I hunt the
last hill before the Pearl River swamp, and I was like,
if I shoot this deer high, if I hit him
bad and he's gone, you can't. You can't even get
to him, like you literally you're crossing creeks rivers like
I was. So nobody got him last year, and me

(22:29):
and my buddy, well, you know, and it's there's a
lot of pressure around there, like a ton of pressure,
and so we're every gun show, every morning, every gun
shot we heard, please just crossing our fingers. And then
season ends. Nobody, you know, you don't see anything on Facebook,
and uh, sure enough this summer, my buddy, uh probably
like August text beings like I have good news, and

(22:52):
I was like yes. So he sends me a picture
of him in velvet and he's the biggest you had
a picture of Yeah, and he's a he's a five
year old. I think he's a he could be a
six years.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
We sat a picture one time.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
So you're you have so you know he's alive right now.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeah, well, I mean yeah, I haven't.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Got pictures of him recently.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
That was there's probably a date on that I don't
even remember.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
You cut it off very smartly. You come to send
your buddies.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
But we it's one of those like there's enough people
around there and we know them, like we would know, yeah,
we would know. That's a giant.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Bro. I'm going to tell you, man, that deer is
mid to high fifties.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
I think so we were thinking sixty.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I think he could absolutely. I can't tell the width
on him, but I mean.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Just he's probably got like a sixteen inside bro his
G two. Look at those G two's, Man, he's got.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Deer thirteen or fourteen. Yeah, he's got splits on both
G twos.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Man, there ain't nothing better than the cat and mouse
between big deer.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Like a big heavy eight too, man, Like just cause
he's got eight. He's got points everywhere, but he's a
mainframe eight.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Yeah, he's a Dog's a dog.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
That's a good one.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
So anyway, I still yeah, and I went, uh this
past weekend, I hung a lock on back on our back,
like where we know that he was crossing, you know,
south of it. This guy's a.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Hunter, just because I remember when you were like getting
getting into it. Really, I mean you've always.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
Yeah, I've always deer hunted, but it's it's just different
now the past five or six years, I've like there's
a jump that had taken it more seriously, and I've
I've started killing better deer because of it, and hunting
the wind and just hunting the right time.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
And he's going and hanging yesterday I was watching.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
That's a good that's a good segue into let's talk
about your hunting history, like when you kind of when
you started. Who got you into it?

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Was it your dad?

Speaker 4 (24:50):
My dad? And I was actually with my grandpa when
I killed my first dough seven And uh, dude, I
killed a spy when I was like twelve or something
like that.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
First buck, first buck, don't give us that.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Legal Back in the day, that's all.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
I thought.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Nobody come at nobody, come at us.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
There's probably a statue of limitations, you know, probably all right,
but now twenty two years whatever.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
And then when I was thirteen, I started hunting by myself.
It was twelve or thirteen. First year I killed a
like one hundred and twenty five inch eight with a
new England Firearm two forty three youth model. Let's go
single ships, big, single shot. I bolt Actually I know
that you had the same one, but a bolty yep.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
This is North Mississippi or Central East Central.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yeah, yeah, and uh for ten years, that was the
biggest buck I killed. And this was before I mean
I was still a teenager. I still wasn't like super
into it. We were just going and not hunting wind
and just hitting, just sitting in box stands and just
praying for the best. So I didn't really kill a
whole lot of deer. And then when I was like
twenty three, ten years later, I killed a pretty decent buck.

(26:07):
And then I went another like eight or nine years
without killing a good buck, and then, well.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
You're probably grinding at that time musically.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
Yeah, I mean I had moved up here and I
was not hunting a lot back home.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
But also too, like after you and we were kind
of the same way, and our dad kind of put
us in this position like once you kill that first
mature deer two or three year old, you know, three
or four year old, one twenty five, one thirty, there's
something in you if you are passionate about those animals
and hunting that you you don't want to shoot those anymore, Yeah,
you want to. You want to start hunting older deer,

(26:39):
getting more in tune with with their lifestyle in the
woods and trying to figure out those deer instead of
just going out there and shooting und percent.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
And it's it's tough because like we don't have big
pieces of property, so like there's a lot.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Of pressure different games.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
There's a lot of people killing killing your deer that
you want to watch grow. And that's just part of it, dude,
And that's part of the the crap shoot or whatever.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
But it is, it is tough. It's stuff to let
them go.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
Man, Dude, I found I ended up buying. So we
have a three hundred acre piece of property that we
hunt a lot in Mississippi, and it was split between
my grandmother and her sister. You know how that is
old old land. And so my grandmother's sister, my great aunt,
she passed away a long time ago, and her side
of the family quit hunting it because they lived in Vicksburg,

(27:24):
and so they put it up for sale. So I
bought it, keeping our family and all that, and dude,
when I bought it and I started actually going out
there and doing the work myself and putting out feeders
and helping like any way that I could to get
set up. It's like karma or God or whichever thing
you want to pick. I started killing good deer. It

(27:44):
was like when I started putting in the work, and
like I bought, I bought the land, and like I start,
I've killed a good deer out there three years in
a row. Now, yeah, dude, exactly. I think there's something
to that. But I got to tell this because this
is the funniest story in the world.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Into it.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
The first year as a landowner, my first sit, I
was sitting in a tall ladder stand two seater and
uh I had this oh yeah, that's nice.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
You spread out putt right there side in.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
The corner. Yeah, something chair and a half, and uh
I had this buckle camera that was like an eight
on one side and it was just like a hand
on the other side. Dude.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
It was just crazy, like.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
Little chicken head on that lift sid dude, just crazy.
I mean he was a true it wasn't big, but
he was a non typical deer. Yeah, and I'd had
him on camera and I'm sitting here. It's like seventy degrees.
I'm sitting here and like nothing. I could have been
in shorts and T shirt. It is dead still, and
it's my first sit Like I got home like at
two pm and I got in the stand at like

(28:50):
two thirty and it is so still and it's so dry,
and uh dude, I just hear one coming and I
was just like, all right, here we go. I look
up and it was that buck and I'm left handed,
so he was crossing to my left in like a
hardwood bottom and I had to make a shot like
this to shoot him.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
And uh yeah, I see you had to come on
with left handed, so you got.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
And it's in a ladder stand. It did not I
didn't have a harness on. So I'm like, you know
what I mean, It's not like I can lean into
it and like really make a good turn. So dude,
I'm shooting him like this off my right shoulder with
my left eye and I had it behind his shoulder
and I pulled the trigger and he just dropped straight
to the ground and I was like, let's go. And
so I immediately get down and I go down there and

(29:37):
I flip him over and try to, you know, see
his exit wound. And I was like, what the hell?
And I flipped him back over and I'm you know,
rubbing his hair back to see if I can't just
find his entry wound. And I realized I made such
a bad shot. I hit him in the neck and
I dropped him. Dude, I was off. I put it
behind his shoulder, but just the way that I was
like this and it just couldn't see good. I got

(29:59):
so lucky because I could have that could have that flinch,
could have gone anywhere.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
I want to tell you.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
I got him right in the neck and I dropped it.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Dude, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
I'm pretty sure I've had that same situation. And I
shot the buck and it was my first ever big Bok.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
I called Dan.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
I saw him drop, roll down, leave scattered. He didn't
kick or anything, but roll down like kind of slid
down the hill. I was like, let's go, let's go,
let's go get down my stand. I'm looking at him.
I see him get up and walk off. I'm pretty
sure what happened is I made such a bad shot.
I shot him in that antler and just shot jarready
and knocked him, knocked him out, and he got.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Up and walked down. That's dangerous, dude, that's done the
same thing. Dude that there's some old timers that swear
by that next shot that you're tad to do it.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Man. Yeah, I mean it worked. He was. I mean
he was a huge, but he was probably one hundred
and fifty pounds.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
I mean, I would venture to say, I would venture
to say, are you I think you're a brother's hunt
hoodie in that picture?

Speaker 4 (30:55):
I can tell you right now.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
I kind of remember, I think.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Is this the first year off your first year off
of that property as a landowner. Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Man. So there are people that I mean, I'm sorry,
I would say in like top three dead lists.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
He is awesome. Not a brother's money, but he is awesome.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, dude, I don't know that deer. You assume me
that just a.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Couple of years ago. Well, y'all took a hiatus.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Man.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
I was like, I was mad at y'all for not
doing the podcast anymore.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
He boys dipped on you for a little bit.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
That's a great, dear man.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
I was excited about it.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
You should be, man, that's us.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
And you know what, sud We scored him because one
twenty five is like the number, especially down there. I
had a picture of him the night before and his
main beam, his normal beam, came all the way out
to like the center of his head. Really, I killed
him that I saw him that afternoon he had broken
it off, that he was one twenty four and like
five eights if he'd had his beamy.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
I'm gonna tell you that. I mean, you look at
the nose on that deer. Dude, that ain't no pup, bro.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
He sc scored does not matter? Man, Ain't I get
hung up on it these days? Everybody, I've never killed
a one forty. Well, I've never killed a one low fence.
I'm sure y'all saw that I kill.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
But I've killed a forty dude. I got so much
hell for that.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Oh, they.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
You know I've never done it before. And uh, there's
all these arguments you can make. You know, you don't
say nothing about catching fish in a pond and this
and that. But dude, I wanted to do it one
time in my life and I will never regret it,
and I will have y'all ever done it before?

Speaker 1 (32:39):
I haven't, dude, that's an incredible animal, man, dude. High fence,
low fence, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
It's any credible animal.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
I learned something, okay, And I just I feel like
such a dingus just even trying to explain. But dingus, dingus, dude.
But it's still and every place is different. But this
place they had a handful of enormous deer. But I
saw like three bucks the whole time I was there,

(33:09):
and we hunted six hunts.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Like you still you still have to see the deer.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
It's not like you pick one out in a magazine
and they say you go to this stand and he's
gonna come out.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
And there are places like that, but you're saying your
place was not.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
No. I mean it was on four hundred acres and
it was like you know they have they have like
packets or whatever. There's like the management buck, which the
management buck is like deer like that, dude, and like
which is insane. And I killed one like that too
on the second or the first day. But that but
those bucks are the ones that stayed in there when
they fenced it. Yeah, and they call them management bucks,

(33:40):
but those are the real bucks.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
R Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
And what's funny is that I shot a deer like
that on the first day because I want, I just
I was dying to shoot one and I wanted to.
I wanted to, and dude, that deer. It's funny the
difference between like a wild deer and like a bread deer.
That deer ran significantly further, really made the same exact
shot both deer and that the management buck. The real
wild buck ran so much further. He got that dog

(34:06):
in it. You know. It was one of those things
where like we we that was only the second deer
I had seen that that day, and uh, you know,
he's still got to come out and you still got
to shoot him. I still felt like hunting. To me,
it was just but I don't know if I ever
do it again. But man, it was so fun and
it was just crazy.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
All that's all that matters is is if you had
fun doing it, and if you do it again, you
do it again. If you don't know worries, man, it was,
I don't. I told you.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
I should have just posted the management Still ain't. Still ain't.
That's gonna be my caption for every every dear.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I love it. Dan's got another he got another nickname
for you?

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Oh yeah, I give everybody nicknames, and my nick name
for you you. I should have done it earlier. Was
going to be a hard rock hardy. I love that,
I know, but it had nothing to do with like
the actual music. It's about you've been a dang this
is a true blue erahead guy.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
And now listen, wait, I.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Can't get into it. It's not that it's not that
I found one.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
You haven't gotten into it. You know you can't.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
It's not that I can't. I haven't gotten into it
because I have never found one. I think that's why
I love history. I think it's awesome. I think you know,
it's almost like a teleportation kind of thing. You can
put yourself back in.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
The because you're it's still there.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Literally yeah, literally on the ground.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
You're standing, yeah, our stage running around hunting the same animals,
but with bullets or which.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Well that's what That's what me and Combes were talking about.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
In the Midwest is like whoever, however, many years ahead
of where we're at right now, people are going to
be in shellcasings and they're gonna be like, oh, this
is a thirty out six dude shotguns?

Speaker 4 (36:04):
You ever, Like there's old creeks and stuff that back
one hundred years ago they made him and that the
shellcasing was made out of paper. Yeah, and so now
you'll just find the the whatever you call that the
cap or that's kind of a similar thing. But you're right, man.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Combes is big into it because he talks about you
as like the Godfather.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
I love that title.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah he does. I mean he tells everybody that.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Let's get let's let's just set the scene.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Hardy's got a he's got a story about arrowheads that were.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Just gonna let him, let him take off.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
So Combs was probably jacking it all of anyway, he
told it pretty pretty well and edge so long.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
He tells us, I'll try to keep it to the
cliff notes.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
No, don't, we got time go for so make it good.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Hunter Phelps again is like one of my best friends
in Nashville at all, and he's my big airhead hunting buddy.
So this particular time, it was two years ago, I
guess at this point, I had COVID two years ago
on Christmas, so I didn't get to go do Christmas
my family, but I wasn't really sick and it was warm,
and I went and found one on Christmas Day, just
you can. But anyway, so we're hitting all these bank

(37:15):
spots and we're doing all this stuff, and we're finding
a couple, and it's getting dark, and we get to
this one spot we've never been to before. A hunter
goes this way and I go this way. I go
down here. I find a big, beautiful arrowhead. And what's big,
like not the size of your hand, but like pretty
you know what I mean, my whole hand. Yeah, I
found a good one, one of the best ones I've

(37:36):
ever found. Looked like a big leaf.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
So is this is this a hunting arrowhead or is
this like a working arrow?

Speaker 4 (37:41):
More than likely a knife. They call them all arrowheads,
but most of them were like knives and spearheads, and
only the really small ones are actual arrowheads. And that
didn't come until like the Woodland period, which was like
way they didn't start holping my bows until way later,
way later, thousands of years after you would think, I mean,
it's getting real dark. Comes back and he's like, you

(38:01):
have to come with me right now. I have to
show you something. And I walk with him down the
bank to his spot that he went and pictured like
a wall, and it's regular gray or not gray brown dirt.
And then there's a spot probably like the width of
this wall that's just black and gray, and there's flint

(38:22):
and animal bones and pottery just like pouring out of
this bank. Really it was a campsite, and we were
the first people to find it.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
How old was this campsite? In your in your brain?
I mean, do you think, I.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Guess three four thousand years? Yes, that's sick, maybe older.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
That's really cool already, Yeah, I mean that's cool to
find something.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
The first people to find it. It was I mean, we
had to have been because we found so many, so
many artifacts right there.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Did you know what you had found?

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (38:55):
Okay, so we start finding stuff and uh didn't think
anything about it. I go home, and before I go
any further, there's there's no no facts really that that
point directly to this. But it's the only thing that
can explain what I'm about to tell. So it's it's

(39:18):
all like jumbled. But I woke up one morning and
it took like two weeks, but I woke up one morning.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Did you brought something back from that?

Speaker 4 (39:24):
I brought like two or three era heads back, and Uh,
I woke up one morning and like all the lights
were on in my house. And I lived in a
house at the time in Joelton. And when I say
the middle of nowhere, you could not see it from
a helicopter. Dude, it was in my heart. It was.
My driveway was like a mile, like a three quarters
of a mile long. It went through these hardwoods and

(39:44):
these hills and then you just my it was like
a kind of a Gatlinburg style cabin.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
It's awesome. Yeah, you still have that place. I remember
I said, you're gonna keep that? And you said, have
you met my wife? That's literally what he said to me.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
That A no, it won't but dude, and all the
lights are on. Yeah, all the lights are on. So
and I didn't think anything about it. But I was like, dude,
I don't I don't sleep walk like I.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
It was.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
It was really bizarre. And I what I mean is
like my mom didn't come and check in and forget
to leave some lights on while I was sleeping. There's
just no you know there, there's none of this. You
can explain anything because there's a gate and a mile
long driveway and a house where nobody knows exists.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
So you wouldn't have left the lights on.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
No, I mean it just you just me for the
first few times. Yeah, And what it is is it's
it wasn't a frame, but the master bedroom. It was
only one story upstairs or one room upstairs, and it
was an open like master bedroom. Gotcha. So you walk in,
you know, the living room, all this, and then the
stairs they just go up and there's a master bedroom.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
There's going to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, golf.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
To kind of essentially, what I'm saying is I couldn't
sleep if the lights were on, you know what I mean, Yeah,
because the whole house would be room would be left.
So anyway, so that happened like three nights in a row.
I would go downstairs in the morning and like random,
lights would be on in a row in a row,
and then some of this might be out of order.

(41:11):
CALLI and I were I guess you could say, putting
together the guest bedroom, the bed side table, all this stuff.
And we hung a mirror behind the bed and my
wife is very meticulous and uh and I'm not so
it's it's a good balance, but we were hanging this
mirror and it had to be perfect, and so we
literally were like messing with it for an hour and
we finally got it perfect and we looked at it

(41:34):
and good job, all right, great, and then we go
to bed and we wake up the next morning and
the mirror has a giant scratch across the middle of
the mirror.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Getting chew on.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
It was so it was so obs that cow and
I told Kelly like, man that something's going on with
the house, like lights are coming on and stuff and
and uh, there was a window that was open one
morning behind my kitchen sceink that was really weird and
h yeah. So then Calli was like, I don't like
that at all. I mean, we examined it would be

(42:05):
like hanging this flag and then the next morning tear
down the middle of the flag.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
I mean it was not like the ft. The flag
had fallen off, like it literally like things were open
that takes human power.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
To Yeah, And so there was a scratch across the
mirror and it freaked both of us out. I didn't
think anything about it. And then one night we were
up there watching Yellowstone and we heard a noise downstairs.
And I can't remember if this part was in my head,
but I think I remember Cali being like what was that?
And I was like it sounded like a chair scared
across the floor and didn't think anything about it. And

(42:39):
I got up early the next morning and our chair
from our kitchen table had been moved like six feet out,
like into the middle of our living room, and I
was just like, dude.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
The saint cold thing.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
It's becoming a thing.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Are you ghosty? Are you ghosty? How do you feel you?
Where do you range on the here's my thing paranormal scale.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
I think that somehow, some way science can explain something
to do with it. And I don't think I think
there's a way that they could explain it, and not
negate religion. I just think we didn't know that radio
waves existed until one hundred years ago, and now look
what we've done with invisible waves where you can like
talk to people across the world. And this I mean,

(43:23):
like you just I think there's a way to explain it.
Because I want to believe so bad that it's real.
But so all right, here's the meat and potatoes of it.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Right.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
I woke up and this sounds like a movie, but
I swear to God this is true. I woke up,
call CALLI so we had windows start opening, lights kept
turning on and off, like at the same time. What
time period is going on over the course of a
couple months, and then Callie said, I can't we're dating
at this point, we're not even engage yet, and she's like,

(43:54):
I can't keep staying with you.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
It freaks me.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Out, and really, yeah, I mean she but you know,
she lived in town. I lived out in Joel and
she didn't stay with me all the time anyway. But
she was like, I just until this calms down, Like
I was freaking me up to enough to freak her
out bad. And I was freaked out when I never
like went to bed scared.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
I just.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Don't.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
I would just wake up and be like, God, something
happened again.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
So there was a series of like five or six
nights in a row. I never wake up in the
middle of the night ever. I never have unless I
have to go pee, which I still usually never do.
I woke up at two fifty nine or three am
on the dot five or six nights in a row,
and I would wake up and I would check my
clock and it was two fifty nine or three o'clock

(44:38):
am on the dot, and uh, there was one night
I woke up and it was three am on the dot,
and I was in a full on like sweat, Like
I thought I.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Was gonna say TP. I was in a TP. Oh
my god, dude, I was here.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Full on sweat, and uh, I just was I remember,
I just I woke up feeling uncomfortable and I was like,
what is going on? I got I sat inside of
my bed, I turned my lamp on. And when I
turned my lamp on, something jumped from.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
My balcohol Wait, wait, something.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Jumped from the balcony from the loft where my bedroom is.
Because there was a rail and you could hear like
you could hear like the pressure of like putting a
pressure on it, like as if it was sitting on
the rail, like it created and then nothing and then
boom and it hit the floor and it ran through
my house.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
And I jumped up.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
I got up out of bed, and I like turned
every light on. I grabbed my gun. I swept my
entire house, like every closet, every corner, No doors were open, nothing.
I got chill on my thighs and again like there's
no way anybody could get in this house, Like there's
no way anybody knew it was there, Like it wasn't
like a you know what I.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Mean, no dogs are kind of running, no raccoon.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
And it was the most real, like yeah see, I
even thought like it was loud. It was. It was
so loud though that it was like it shook the
dishes in my like like it was like somebody jumped.
I mean, it's hard to explain, no, dude. I swept
my whole house. I didn't sleep a wink that night.
And then I came home and I told Cally about it,
and uh, she was like, we gotta do something.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
And I was like, I agree, let me ask you
this in that process or you think it is the
has the artifacts even rang in your head that you
at that?

Speaker 4 (46:30):
Okay? Yes, So some point in that month two months
CALLI was the one. She was like, I think it's
that campsite y'all found the other day. And I was like,
and you just don't know, man, like that fresh dirt.
Oh there's a okay, this was another very important one
that I forgot about.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yes, So glad there's another one.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
I'm in bro I lay in like the first thing
that happened before the light's coming on and everything like
the night or two after I brought that stuff home,
my truck alarm, I would I locked my truck out
of my house. Like that's the one thing I would
do at Calli's house wherever it was, I would lock
my truck. My alarm went off in my truck every
single night for like, and you know when it's cold,

(47:09):
like your electronics get squirrely, and that can happen April
or May. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like weird stuff like that.
And I could not figure out what the deal was.
And then one day it just it just stopped doing
it and it's never done it ever again. And that
was drugs. That was the first same truck.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
But that was the first same truck happened. Yeah, do
you have it in Hardy Flooge?

Speaker 4 (47:29):
Then no, I didn't, but you know, Okay, So here's
my like's crazy theory is that whatever it was rode
home and got in my truck with me, and I
swear to god, it was like it was trying to
get out or something. I mean, that's the way that
I can describe it, because the only way alarm can
go off. But if your truck is locked is if

(47:52):
somebody's in it and they try to get out. You know,
you know what I'm talking about. You're in a locked
car and you try to get out of the alarm
goes off. Yeah, and that's the only thing that I
could think of.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, so your truck is going off. It makes sense
because I mean, if you lock somebody, if you lock
like even if you lock your wife in the car
for five seconds while you run in whatever, she's you know,
she's like locked the doors while you go on the
gas station, if she opens that door, or if she
even on some of the newer stuff, if you even
move around inside the truck, the alarm on. Yeah, and
that's what you're saying. It went off for how long?
A week?

Speaker 4 (48:21):
Yeah, at least a week. A couple of times at
her apartment, A couple of times in mind, but to.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Wake up Ford ghost, dude.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
So we came, dude, and I felt like an idiot
doing this. But she she bought some Sage and she
looked like googled all this stuff indeed, and she was
like she was like it says to Sage, every doorway,
every crack, every corner in your house, open all the
windows and all the doors. You walk in with an intention,
and you tell it. You just you tell it to

(48:49):
get out, and you you you don't say it like
we're afraid of you. You just you tell it to
get out. So, dude, I walked in the Jesus all
of it, and I was like, and I was just like,
I'm you know, if I have something of yours, I'm sorry.
I can promise you I treat it with respect, but
you're not welcome here. This is our home and you're

(49:11):
making us uncomfortable. And we did, we did the thing
and open up the doors, and they said, like, you
saved a door really good, and you're like, get out
of here now. And dude, not a single thing happened
after that had left us alone. But here's the craziest
thing is my mom my parents used to go out
there sometimes and just like hang out, so I I'll
get away because they live here in town.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
And my mom.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
Would go out there and she texted me a couple
of times before I moved and she was like, and
my mom has never told a lie in her life.
And she was like, son, I don't know what's going
on in your house. She was like, I went in
your guest bedroom and the lamp started turning on off
and this was after the Sage thing, and she was like,
and I said out loud, I'm leaving. I'm getting out
of here, and then said that she would walk by

(49:53):
the front door which had a lamp beside it, and
said it was started turning on off and then she
left and she was like, I never will go back.
I was after the sage, so if it didn't leave,
it at least like left us alone. But I never
We never had a problem after that. And that's oh,
and then it's getting better, Cally, and I didn't tell
anybody about this.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Podcast rushmore stories right now for sure, dude.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
So I told Hunter about it after everything had finally
kind of fizzled down, and he was like, when was that?
And I gave him like the exact date and he
and he like went back and he was like, dude,
they lived in like a townhome. You could ask him
about this and he was like, my I woke up
one night to my dog barking. He was like, Laila

(50:39):
heard his German shepherd. He was like, she never barks
in the middle of the night. And I woke up
and I heard a big thud downstairs. And they're in
like a town home. They have a baby. The dog
was upstairs with them. She started barking, and he said
that the next morning he went down and his arrowhead
case had been unlatched and opened because he brought some
stuff home too, and bro he that ain't no hell

(51:04):
And uh, maybe I don't.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Maybe I just don't let that be.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
But you know I didn't. I didn't take that stuff back.
I still have it. I mean, there are roast pray
over your forward when I leave. What if my truck
alarm starts going?

Speaker 2 (51:22):
That would I.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Bet to like there are I bet there are tons
of those stories from artifact like finders and and and
arrowhead hunters that have I guarantee you there. I mean,
and listen, I'm not a ghosty guy. I've got my
own stories of being at the fire hall over here
in the piano.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
I've heard about I've heard about the fire hall. I'm
not ghosty.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
I'm not ghosty.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
But how can you hear a piano playing and I
think something?

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Yeah, no, I did. I heard it was like a word.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
I was.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
I was pooping.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
I don't know if old podcast that's what I was
shoey and yeah, I was shooting. And Jason Nicks was
he had just left and during the day. No, this
is this is like eleven thirty at night. He had
Jason Nicks had just like, are you drunk? No, been
drink We've been writing? No, dude, I had not. We
were we weren't out. This is when I was grounding.
Bro was But yeah, same thing I was.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
I was.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
I was shoeing and Jason had just left. I heard
the door closed and then I heard on the piano.
I heard a chord. But it wasn't like a fling.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
It was like a So it was major.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Yeah, it was major.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
Maybe that's a good thing. And I was because if
it was like.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, I would have died right there on the on
the party. Yeah, for sure. But I was like, Jason, dude,
get out of here. Man, nothing, I call him. He's
almost to Mount Juliet, Like it was then I'm not
a ghosty guy, but wait, you are a.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Chickens though you're chicken, I mean, dude. This is one
of my favorite stories of really.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Get to because we got to talk about some geez.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Who cares about music. So so we go. We obviously
we lived well.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
By the way, that's a great story. Oh that's incredible story.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
That way it's one.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
Yes, I've gotten a lot of I've gotten a lot
of hell for it. Like I told it on Bobby
Bones and everybody.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Was like, oh you already told cut all that up.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Yeah yeah, I think they literally they edited it down
to make me sound like an idiot.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
No, no, we're not going to do that. That's all.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
That's that's a great and I believe you on a
hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
So I come downstairs one night, reves as girlfriend's house.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
This is a long time ago, by the way, don't
act like it was four.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Or five years. I'm just kidding. So I come down
to get a drink of water. I see him pull
in the driveway.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
And back in the day, there's like four or five
we got my dad's car, my mom Dan's car, my car,
like like Christmas.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Yeah, we're Christmas something.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
And one of my the dark kind of wears me
I used to now, but the dark kind.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Of things in life is scaring the balls off of read.
It's my favorite thing. I see it pull in and
I'm like, oh baby, yes, thank you Jesus. I go
out the door and I get in towards our shop
was just like right across the walkway, from the house.
So I get in the door door of the shop

(54:08):
and I hear him when he shuts his door. It's
like he's already running, like he just shuts his car
door and run is running to that. He's like twelve thirty.
And just as he gets to like where you would
skip up on the steps to turn back into the house,
I had a there was a vice there, you know,
And I went and it sounded just like a shotgun.

(54:30):
Locked up. Dude, he got fainting, goaded and froze, and
in minute he was already halfway up the skip and
he froze and just went and just fell. I thought
I killed it. Oh my god, I thought I killed it.
He's what what are you doing? That?

Speaker 1 (54:48):
What?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
It was like on the edge of tears, but also
so mad. He could fight me, dude, and I was
ies doubled it. Anyway, if you get a chance to
scare it in, it's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
I don't like being scared. I'm good though. Now I
don't get scared anymore.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
So scare me and I graduate.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Dude. You ever you ever had like a long walk
out of the woods, forget your flashlight though? Oh man, Okay,
I gotta. I'm gonna tell there's no no, not really,
I'm good. So and the ending of this is a regular,
you know, normal ending, but I will talk about how
weird it is. We've cut it over now, but to

(55:28):
walk to one of our stands on that three hundred
acre property, and I was hunting a ladder stand on
the back side of it, and we all park at
the barn and hike. No, just a long walk and
there's really no other way to do it than the walk.
Is no good place to park all that kind of stuff.
So I was out there by myself. I get up
in my ladder stands the afternoon and I'm up there
and it gets dark, kind of like I've left my flashlight,

(55:50):
headlamp or whatever, and.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Probably had deer on you too, because whenever that happens,
you stay later. Oh yeah, you always forget your light
whenever you stay later.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
So I get down and there it's like hardwoods and
then a creek and then a huge pine thicket that's
like forever. It's like an eight hundred yard walk, dark
pines to the darkest. It's the darkest, that's where and
you hear that wind blowing through them. Dude, so I'm
down there by myself. I parked at the barn, I

(56:20):
by myself that day, Like no uncles or cousins or
anybody's out there. And I get to what we call
the big Oak, and I swear to God, it's as
big a rhn as this room. It's like the oldest
oak tree ever.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Is still there.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
And it's spooky and and but it's dark. It's there's
no moon and it was overcast. I mean it was
pitch dark and I can barely see to find the
road to get dark. And I get to that oak.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
It was still.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
I smelled cigarette smoke and I was and and and
at first, like I just was walking and I was like,
somebody's burning a fire. And then I thought, no, that's cigarettes.
And I was like, in here on me, dudeunt.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
I was rifle hunt, thank god.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
Yeah, And dude, I did like this, I did. I
I threw my gun back off my shoulder and like,
knowing me, it was probably still loaded, but yeah, it
was anyway, dude, And uh.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
I didn't have a light.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
It was the weirdest feeling in the world because I'm
this is down in a bottom, dude, like way down
in there. But even halfway back to the truck.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
But I just.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
Remember it being the weirdest feeling in the world, knowing
that somebody else was around there.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Do you think someone else was around there?

Speaker 4 (57:27):
So it ended up being a cousin of mine that
never he has the right to hunt this place.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
But he did smell a dude smoking sick.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
Oh yeah, no, I mean it was like it was
cigarette smoke, and it was so undeniable that I was like,
somebody's and somebody's in here with a sniper getting ready
to smoke a cigarette and shoot my head. Like just
had again of a quick I mean, but it was
just such a weird feeling knowing you're out there alone
and then smelling that and being like, there's somebody within
the proximity of men.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
I don't have a flashlight. Had he left or was
he still there?

Speaker 4 (57:57):
He was still there. I don't know what he was doing.
Never So, but I got up back up to the
truck and there was a white van up there, and
I was just like, and I didn't know the vehicle,
and I threw my in the truck and I got
out of there, and I called my dad and and anyway,
come to find out, it was him, but he had
not hunted down there in ten years. He just happened
to go down there and probably sit in the woods.
But it was just such a weird. I can't describe

(58:19):
that feeling of thinking you're completely alone and then you
don't under it, being like somebody's in these woods with me.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
You don't have to. Oh I've been there. I scared.
Remember that dude that come in and drunk on this
turkey hunting that time? Oh yeah, Reid was calling a bird.
It was as weird as it was a turkey that

(58:44):
needed to be hunted, Like two men couldn't have done there.
Just wann't enough room down there. So Red was just
cutting his teeth on turkey and call and everything. So
he went down there and was hunting the bird, and
I just went up the hill and sat to see
if anything happened down there. Later, dude, we got there
at like five fifteen, early as hell. Van pulls up.

(59:04):
What song was it playing?

Speaker 4 (59:05):
Golly it was here or anything?

Speaker 2 (59:07):
It was something like f was like the first time.
It's one of those songs. Yeah, real loud. At seven am,
Son's already up birds Goblin. He gets out of the truck, dude.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
He's like, dude was going through it, man, Yeah, he
was going of this guy.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
No, it wasn't he Tracy Lawrence guy.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Could it have been the same day dude that's down
in Mississippi. That was Grenada.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
So anyway, this guy comes walking down. He goes walking
towards Reed first. So I'm three hundred yards. I can't
I can't get in touching. He starts walking down the
because Reid's got this bird of goblin.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
I saw him coming and I just start cutting, like,
I just start mouth calling.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Like to let him know he was down there. But
he kept him, didn't You Finally were.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Like, oh yeah, he was going to Turkey.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Was the definitely had a shock. He was.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
He was walking toward the bird that I had gobblem.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
I mean, he was just gonna go for that.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
So read signals and he comes back up the vegas.
So he's like, he's like and he starts walking towards me,
and he's cussing red dog cussing. He's like, that's so,
I mean, I got I got this is my land too,
and I got permission. But he's coming at me. He
don't know who I'm sitting there and I'm he's getting
closer and closer and closer because I'm on a woodline
right He's coming, He's coming, He's coming. He said, I'm

(01:00:19):
going a whip his ass. And when he said, I said, uh, hey, buddy,
you gonna have to go through me first. And that's
someone with God, I mean like he it scared the
out Oh my god. It was still kind of hazy, dark,
you know. And he I thought he's gonna have I
thought I gave him a heart attack. And he was like, uh,

(01:00:41):
who's in there? And I was like, Uh, the brother
of the dude you were just dog cussing is in here.
You're welcome to tell me what you're gonna do to him, man,
but you're gonna have to go through me first before
you do. He would, ma'am, I don't need this right now,
and started crying, went to cry.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Ended up sitting there with Day and they were calling
to argu talk about Jesus and all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Dude, to talk about how great of a human I am.
I said, He said, I oh need this right now. Man.
I got permission here, And I didn't mean a mission.
I didn't know what she brother, man. I didn't mean
the mission.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
But I was like, oh my god, thought he was
about to get his ass.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Well, we both had shotgun, so I don't know how
that would have gone. I thought about that. I had
plenty of time to think while he was walking towards me. Yeah,
kind of get my thoughts straight. So I said, man,
I said, man, just sit down, dude, like, let's just
chill and see if he shoots this bird. Man. My
wife left me and I smell liquor, and finally I

(01:01:38):
was just like, dude, just it's all good, man, don't
it's don't worry about it, you know. And I never
we never saw that guy again either, I guess. But
where was that wesay?

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
I ended up having getting a shot hunted that turkey
all year long, shot at it at fifty five yards,
missed it. But that turkey taught me how to turkey hunt.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Like that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
That turkey taught me a lot about turkey hunting.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
We still ain't took you never killed a turkey.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Oh it's happening.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
It's happening, dude. I've I went, I've been on a bunch.
I'll give you a perfect example. I'm I'm snake bit
or something. Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
I went with we got you. I went with Duck
last year. Y'all know Duck, right, Yeah, he's a great,
great and.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
He was like, dude, I'm already tagged out. He was like,
come with me. I got a bird that flies down
to the same spot every single morning, and dude.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
He did have a bunch of birds last year by.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
The out there close to his house. Dude, we sit
down at daylight ninety yards and he's working him, and
he's working him, and then he just spooks and he's
the other way. And that's every turkey, and we we're
behind a truck, like there is no way that he saw.
I just every turkey on I've ever been on, we

(01:02:47):
have been working a bird and they spook and that's
and then we go walking around looking for other birds
and that's it. And then I'm like, this sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Due.

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
I've never never I've never been on a good turkey.
I've never killed a turkey in my life. I didn't
up and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Give us, give us, give us two or three days
in the spring.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Just let's just go ahead and do it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Let's mark it off.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Give us two or three days, and we can put
you on. We can put you on it I don't
want to say too much because like turk gun is
just like deer hunt man. You can't you can't make
the bird fight down in front of you, can't make
the birds.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Have to go right. Honestly, hardy have to line up.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
I've heard that it's just there. I mean, it's a
full spectrum of hunts, Like you can sneak on a bird,
you can be there at daylight and it flies, and
land yards in front of you. Yeah, there's just everything
in between.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
But it's a lot like as you hunt more and
more and more, you start realizing that if you if
you hit it right, you can that's the You don't
have to go all the time. You can just hit
it in the right, in your good buck right. It's
like your odds are way better if you hit and
and a lot of that has to do with how
much foliage is on trees, what what the temperatures.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Doing, if the sun's coming up and give the water the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Dew off the It's a lot of it's just like
kind of becoming a woodsman, you kind of start to
not to say that we know everything.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
The more time you spend out there, the more I
mean it sounds hippie dippy. But the more in touch
with it you get there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
And it's more. It's more interactive than deer hunting. It
really is, because like you're literally communicating with an animal,
trying to make that animal think you are an actually reversed.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
What actually happens is a bird gobbles and the hens
go to him. But what you're trying to.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Do is, yeah, manipulate mother nature a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Yeah, yeah, for sure to do dude. I got a question.
Why do deer rut in the true sense of the
word better in certain places and don't in other places?
Do you think that it's because of whenever they brought
all these deer down from all these different places, that
it's in their DNA, because not even I know that.
The story is the question as old as time is,

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why is these deer rutting in two counties? Ever, they
don't rut for two months later? But why I hunted?
I went on a hunt in Illinois last year a
buddy of mine who let us drive up. Me and
hunter drove up to his farm and hunted an afternoon
in the morning and came back and that morning that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Morning we know that farm by why do you all
know that's fun, dude. We know everything. I know everything
if it involves deer within two hundred and fifty miles
of this spot, we know, I said, Illinois. He said,
I think I know that spot.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
And then you've named the town, which is like a
thousand people in the town.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Look at a bunch of greats to it ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Okay, well then you'll but you'll at least know what
I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
I go down.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
You know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
I already know what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Well, you probably hunted the same damn Stad millennium soft side.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
And I probably killed that eight point before you got
there in a funnel, dude, right next to the levee.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Yeah, a little boot transition, you're like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
All right in front.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
And Jesus anyway, dude, God, but what like I sat?
The one morning I sat was the most eventful rut
experience I've ever had in my life. I didn't I
didn't see a stud, but I saw a bunch of
like one hundred inch deer running around and grunting. And
I truly have never seen that in Mississippi, and I

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rarely have seen it here. I've seen it more here.
But why do those deer rut like Hollywood rut, you
know what I mean, like as opposed to in Mississippi
where they just you don't, dude, I've never I've never
grun it up like a stud in Mississippi. I've never
seen a deer like mounted dough. I've never seen bucks fight.
I know they do. You rarely see one come out

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and work a scrape like it's just weird.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
No you're not.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
The rut is so stale and just different down there.
Why why do you think that is behavior?

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
I think I'll take it. I'll take it first and
you can add on to it. I think it's I
think it's a number of things. I don't think there's
like one necessarily. Here's the answer to that. One thing
that we've been talking about is we've got a buddy,
you know, Singleton, his farm. His farm is the first
one in Tennessee to rut every first it's Halloween.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Okay, you hang on. Now we have a group text
and it's like it's just the dear Boys text and
it's like Luke, Jonathan Randy, so what but what what
it unintentionally did was go south to south Yeah yeah, yeah,
So you got Jonathan Luke Randy and then we're way
down here, yeah yeah, yeah, And so everybody's posting their

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stuff and like and I think raising there and maybe
I can't remember who I was in there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Jamis Mississippi.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Jameis Mississippi.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
I mean yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Stuff doesn't even come in like that's me. Yeah. So
while we're talking about rut stuff, bro stuff easy, he
don't even like he don't even have an ashtack. He
don't even start until Christmas. It seems like, so if.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
The weather's right, if there's not a snap, but here's
January third or fourth, that's that don't that's what reads.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
But here's the reasons that I believe that that that
is a possibility or that's what's going on, is because
I feel like where we live in Tennessee, northern Mississippi,
we have a we're getting a hodge podge of deer.
I think we're getting the Northern strain, we're getting the
Southern strain, we're getting the Midwest train. And these deer
work their way into this area and have over the

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however many years, and and you're seeing some of that,
you're seeing some of the Midwest rut you're seeing some
of the southern rut, you're seeing some of the northern
rut in different areas of the like of that from November,
late October to early January. Man, because there's different strains
of deer that are in in this area, if that

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makes sense too. I believe one more thing too. I
believe you know how when you're hunting Illinois, it's mainly
it's mainly ag and they've got finger pockets of timber. Yeah,
that concentrates the deer.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
That makes a lot of sense. So use you see,
you you're literally.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
You're forced to because you can't hunt jungle.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Bro it's a hardwood jungle.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
It's all betting.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
The same where we hunt in southern in Southern Tennessee,
Western Tennessee, it is everything is betting. You're hunting a
sliver of food plot and then in and then you're
hunting hardwoods. The thousands of acres of it which these
deer in the Midwest are concentrated to these fingers November
and and out there is just there's the I mean,

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the quantity of deer is more.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
I just believe there's more. Well, you're you're you're seeing
more because you're in that you got to I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Believe I think there are more deer in Mississippi, but
you just they're so thick and you can't see it. Yeah,
I mean, if you go out west again, this is
I feel like I'm like a granddaddy hunter over here.
But when you even when you go out west and
you hunt milder during the rut, you see you can
see the rut happen, right. You can see those kind

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of starting to come in. You can see bucks tickling,
which is like, you know, just kind of putting their horns.
So I mean, explain that, all right, tickling the horns? Man,
come on. So my point is that when you're okay.
Prime example once again is my spot right this, Because

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I live on it, I can literally gauge what's happening
out my back window in real time, in real time.
So that's different from having a lease somewhere where you
just kind of bump down there every two weeks or
every three weeks. You can't.

Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
You just literally can't if you're not in there every day.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Problem example is the deer I shot, right, I started
seeing deer tickling horns two weeks. But here's this is
the ironic thing when I started seeing deer bumping a
little bit, Jonathan's had already seen a deer mount Yeah,
so like and knowing over the years that ours is

(01:10:37):
coming right two weeks behind what his do, I was like, Okay,
I let a cold front go through. The second cold
front lined up perfect with the two week window. I
saw you the night before and I was like, I'm
gonnao do more thing and he came out. But but
all that was a culmination of basically just intel that

(01:10:58):
I had from living on the little Yeah. So I
think it is happening. I think there are You are
correct on that. A lot of the time that doesn't
happen in Mississippi until January because man, deer don't like
to move in hot weather. Bro, they just am not
saying they want. You can absolutely feel dear but that

(01:11:18):
and going about this forever. But don't a lot of
the moon phase the moon phase then if you have
a bright spotlight moon, a lot of that's going on
it non too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Yeah, And there's scientific stuff that's probably way more accurate
than what we're saying. We're gonna photo and the way
the sun, how much sunlight's getting into experience.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
That's all scientific stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
It's just a it was It's just seemed like a
behavior thing for me. But I think the biggest one
is that it's there's there's so much untouched, especially where
I hunt swamp, and just so much area you don't
get to that you just don't see your your margin up,
seeing it actually go down is so much slim unless
you're covered up with deer, and we're just not like

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covered up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Yeah, And a lot of that activity is going on
at night anyway. Yeah, like they're they're running through the night.
And and again it goes to another point, is what
it goes to what we were saying earlier is you
got to be there when the hot doe's there. If
you're there and that hot doze around that the hot
do if the hot doors on the next ridge, that
guy's having the hunt of a lifetime when you're being like,
there ain't no deer with the miles.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
I played four thousand dollars worth of corner.

Speaker 5 (01:12:25):
Yeah, yeah, all right, we gotta talk about music, all right, Yeah,
we could do this.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
We'll have to have you back on.

Speaker 4 (01:12:40):
Oh it's fine, dude, I can sit here for five
especially just it being right right in the prime, right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Now, the prime.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Let's get into your record, man. You put out The
mocking Bird and the Crow, which in itself is is
such a cool way to go about a record and
doing it, especially coming from your background half country, half rock.
Let us into your Let us into your brain on

(01:13:12):
that project a little bit, man, Like, where where that
kind of that idea came from.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
What's what spawned it?

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
If it you know your past and how you were
raised and what where that rock influence comes from, Where
the country influence comes from. Give us a little insight into.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
That, dude, Well to speak to that that last part.
I grew up. My dad put rock and roll on
me at like the young, as young as I can remember,
I mean truly, like my one of my first memories
ever was my dad and he had a cassette tape
and he said, uh, he put it in and he
was like, check this out. This is a band called Pearl.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Jam and our dad was ripping pearl Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
I mean, dude, I was young. It was like nineteen
ninety four. Yeah, and uh I think, yeah, I mean
I was like four years old, but I remember this
and he put it in. It was like something from
a movie and Alive was the first song that played
on it, dude, And I just I remember being like
that is bad ass. And so I loved rock and

(01:14:06):
roll growing up, and I like, I had like an
obsession with rock and roll.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
It was the ten, the ten where they were slapping man. Yeah,
that was a great record, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:14:16):
So I dude, when I was like nine, ten years old,
I was like the MTV era, Like I was, I discovered,
you know, just through that like Lincoln Park and and dude,
Nickelback unapologetically Nickelback Treed and all that stuff, and I was,
I was obsessed with it. And I actually I didn't
listen to country growing up until like Paisley came along

(01:14:37):
and like Eric Church, like early Eric Church and like
even Darius, like really those like really Paisley and Eric
Church because I really liked Paisley songwriting, and I just
Eric Church was the first guy in a very long
time that was like appealed to good old boy, the
tough old boy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
Yeah, and so but but growing up I listened to
I only listened to rock and a little bit hip
hop and all that stuff too. But I didn't listen
to a lot of country. But I grew up country,
you know what I mean? Like probably you know, I
grew up small towns just like y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
You're literally just saying exactly what we Yeah, I mean
the same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
So after my last record, A Rock came out, like
right after A Rock, I wrote Red and that was
a country song. And then like the same week, almost
maybe the day after, I wrote Jack And they were
so completely different, right, and but I had them both
on hold, and then you know, I loved them, loved

(01:15:32):
them both, yeah, equally, And then it, dude, I wrote
a rock song and then I'd write a country song
and it just it's I looked down and I had
like five and five. Then you get like the you know,
management and like my producer and stuff, and I was like, man,
we should do like a half and half. So dude,
I finished the whole record and I didn't had not
written Mockingbird and the Crow yet. Wow, that was the

(01:15:53):
last song I wrote for the record. Really, And how
cool was that? I dude? So I was I was
riding down the river one day and y'all, I know,
y'all being country people have seen this a thousand times,
but there was a crow flying over the river and
there was a mockingbird on its ass, just like and
you see that all the time. And I wrote for
some reason, I just I wrote that down, like the

(01:16:14):
Mockingbird and the Crow, and I just wrote it down
on my phone. And then I was out on the
road on tour and I had Jordan Schmidt and Brett
Tyler out with me and I was playing them some
of the rock stuff on that was going to be
on the record, and they were like, we got to
write a rock song. I was like, I'm done. The
record's done. And we went to bed and I woke

(01:16:35):
up the next day and Jordan had and Brett had
gotten up like two hours early. They got me, dude,
they were done. You weren't done, and they were like,
we built we Jordan built this track up today. And
I was like, I don't. I don't need to write
anything else, like I think the record's done. And then
I literally opened up my idea of my ideas, and
the Mockingbird and the Crow was like the last thing

(01:16:56):
that I'd written down, and I was like, I actually
think I have the perfect song to go right in
the middle of this record.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
So that was the track. The track.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
The track was the rock side, oh wow. And so
we wrote the Crow first, and so I explained the
idea to him and it was all like happened in
real time. I was like, damn, this is perfectly capsure
like the record and you know, the country and all that.
And so we wrote the Crow first and then we
wrote the Mockingbird and we just Jordan put them together
and that like capped off the record. It was the

(01:17:27):
last song to make the record.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Yeah, my jam is radio. So I text you about
it and I can't I can't cut. I can't quit
that song, dude. I just just the the polar opposite
and the way that it But it's still mega melt.
Even your rock stuff is mega melodic. Like listening you

(01:17:52):
know what I'm trying to say, that makes sense. Yeah, sure,
it's it's it's not it's not so rock that it's like, Okay,
he's just doing this to be different. It still has
like a country yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
Shine to it. Yeah, I mean because that's I found that,
Like that's how all of us, but that's how I
learned to write songs, and like it's just fun. I'd
work a lot with David Garcia and like digging into
the rock and roll parts and stuff and making the
music sonically very rock and roll, but I don't know
how to write that you know type of lyrics, so

(01:18:28):
it's still over a shiny country lyrics melody, and it's
gonna always be like that, you know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Which turned out to be a great representation of of you, man,
and and your work and how you do things and
and kind of the lifestyle a.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Lot of sense.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Yeah, I do think like everybody has you know, their like,
I hope that I still get to put out tons
of records after this, but that's that's gonna always be
the one that if if people I hope you know
that if people have never heard of me, and somebody
has to be like, go listen to this and it
will perfectly explain you know, who he is, because it

(01:19:04):
really is. I think that I will forever change, but
that this record will be the one that, like, well,
it will always define who I am or like, just
as an artist.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Do you feel I was out on the road with
Luke this past year, and honestly, it was it was
mega hard. It was hard for me, man, and it
was hard for me because I love I'm a home guy,
Like are you a home guy, or do you enjoy
the road?

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
I'm a home guy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
You're a home guy. Yeah, see, you know exactly what
I'm talking about. Yeah, well, actually you know ten times
more than what I'm talking about. I only did it
for one year.

Speaker 4 (01:19:40):
Dude, it it is. It's been a very very taxing
o man, and I haven't like spoken to it a lot.
And this is kind of getting into what I went
through a couple of months ago.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
No, hey, look, you speak about what you want, you
don't speak about what you did, what you know?

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
No, no, no, no, I just I had a a
couple months ago.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
They kind of felt like baiting and I didn't mean
to know, I do.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
Trust me, this is I'm completely okay with talking about
all this. A couple months ago, it was coming up
on the the one year anniversary of the bus wreck,
and I had had I had just gotten like through
like the summer grind or whatever, and I'd taken a
break from drinking, which was I think I had a
lot to do with it because I wasn't necessarily what

(01:20:27):
you'd say, like medicating, you know what I mean. I
didn't really know that I was even doing that, but
I had taken a couple months off and then dude,
out of nowhere, twice in one week, I had like
I had a panic attack for the first time, and
I didn't It wasn't induced by anything, really, I just
had one. And one was on the golf course and
one was like my course, Yeah, I dude, I like

(01:20:48):
was there walking off the tea box and I just
had this like it felt like somebody just like punched
me right in the chest. Just I was fine, and
then I immediately thought that I was having a heart attack.
And I didn't know. I mean, I thought, I just
it felt real and like my heart was my heart
rate went through the roof and it was like palpitating
and I kept losing my breath and I've learned that

(01:21:11):
it was pan attack, but anyway, and then I had
another one like a week later, and that's the only
two that I've had. But I but I credited a
lot of that too, the wreck and the trauma that
came from that and everything around all that and like
not processing it the right way and because the wreck happened,
and then by the time I got to where I

(01:21:32):
could like move around and like all my injuries and
stuff got better. I mean, like three weeks later after
the wreck, I got married, and then the week after
that was CMA week and then we just we've went
from the CMA Awards to the airport, flew to Thailand
for a honeymoon, got back. It was the holidays, and
then after that I went back on the road. So
I never really like had time to process all that.

(01:21:56):
So I think a lot of it was that. But
I also I went to on site, which I'm sure
you guys have probably heard of, and it was amazing,
and I did a three day intensive like trauma therapy
thing where I was eighteen hours of therapy and over
the course of three days.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
And is this right after the records just recently? Is
this the canceling of the show's thing?

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
This was right after the canceling the shows? Okay, gotcha,
this was why I canceled the shows. I haven't been
very I haven't, but you know, I haven't told a
lot of people, but I just haven't had a platform
to really tell people. And I'm not the kind of
got a video myself and talk about So anyway, and
I got in there and I started talking about it,
and I I just through talking about stuff. I was like,

(01:22:42):
and you know, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
I don't love.

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
Being on the road all year and playing eighty ninety
shows a year, and I kind of that ball started
rolling and I started talking about it and about how
much it's affected me and my mental health, and everybody
is different because you know, eyes that are like road
dogs and born for it. I just I got into
this artist thing so reluctantly or just so like through

(01:23:09):
a back door. I didn't move here with stars in
my eyes. And so it's and then once I started,
it was like I couldn't stop because I was having
success and like it just strike while the iron's hot.
I kept saying that, you know what I mean, and
it finally, dude, I just got burnt. And so I'm
still gonna play shows, but I'm just not going to
play as many in the future, and it's gonna be

(01:23:30):
a little more systematic, I guess, is what you call it.
But yeah, So to answer your question, I'm a I'm
a home guy, and I've learned that I'm always gonna
play shows and I love playing shows, but it got
to a point where it was too much for me,
and I think that that was just as much a
cause of my anxiety and it was the trauma from

(01:23:52):
the listening man.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
Good for you for figuring out your journey and and
and recognizing, you know, as a grown man with a
family now well but you know you're married, and and
and good for you for recognizing what it makes your
heart beat, you know what I mean, And what's the
priority is? And not that the music. We obviously know
you love music. We obviously know you love playing. But

(01:24:14):
it's good to come into your I mean, honestly, adulthood.
I mean to me, I didn't start really becoming a
grown ass man until I hit about thirty. And because
music is so young, right, and you have to and
when you're pouring yourself into this thing, whether it's writer,
artist or whatever, you just don't have much time to

(01:24:37):
grow up. And so when you start coming into that
later and you're doing it in front of millions of people,
it's like, I can't imagine. I say this all the
time about being out with Luke, that like, the super
nice hotels are just as lonely as the rough ones,
maybe even lonelier. And man, I'm watching my kids grow

(01:24:58):
up through FaceTime and and then look, man, it was
fun being out with Luke, and I get that there's
a lot of pros to it, but man, you were
responsible for your own mental health and coming from where
we're from, that doesn't get talked about. Well, you don't
know what it is, and you're if you try to
try to do something about it, that's wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Yeah, you don't understand anxiety until you deal with it
and then and get put in a position where it
backs you into a corner to where you don't know
what the hell is happening. And then and then somebody
tells you, oh, well you're dealing with anxiety. You're you're
you're having an anxiety attack or a panic attack or depression.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
Or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
But dude, I applaud you and commend you for it
because it happened to me too.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Right before I got married, my dad was in the hospital.
We were just or no, we were married, but we
were gonna have a baby. I thought I was down
in thirty eight. I mean like like, yeah, we were at.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Three hours go to the beach house, and this kid's
going It was serious.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
But good on you for recognizing what is happening and
being being open and a man enough to talk about
it and deal with it, because that is the steps
to beating it. Well, not only that, but it also
helps other people who.

Speaker 4 (01:26:07):
Are dealing with That's the biggest thing is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
I was gonna ask you that, what do you feel
like if someone is like you've been, you are going
through this right now, You're processing and going through this.
If somebody's dealing with the same kind of anxiety and
trying to process either some of an event that happened
or maybe just a spot in life that they're in,
what are some key things you think you could advise

(01:26:32):
is helping get through that stuff?

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
Get help, like my go to a therapist before you
go to a doctor. Really, I think so, because the
goal is to not get rid of it, because the
honest truth is few people completely overcome it. You need
to recognize that you have it, and you need to
make it not as big of a deal then you

(01:26:57):
think it is. Because anxiety, what I've learned, is an emotion,
just like happiness, jealousy, anger, gratefulness. It's just an emotion,
and just like every emotion, it passes. And if you
if you can speak for the anxiety instead of from
the anxiety, if you can recognize it from almost like

(01:27:22):
outside looking in as opposed to embodying it and saying
like I'm an I'm an instead of saying I'm an
anxious person. To say like I have anxiety is a
big difference. And if you can realize it and treat
it like a friend and treat it like a passing
thing that you have to tell yourself that it's it's
gonna it's good because I've had it bad since I've

(01:27:44):
gotten help. But the thing is the two bad, like
really bad panic attacks that I had that week, I
didn't know how to handle it, so it's spiraled out
of control. Now when I feel it happening, I can
just take a second and say it's going to pass.
And there's so much too. Saying it's gonna pass. It
does so much for you. Like by the time you

(01:28:05):
you're at the end of that thought process, it's already gone.
It's hard to exist. Yeah, yeah, you have to acknowledge it.
You cannot fight it because it's impossible to fight it. Uh,
or it's only gonna get worse, so you just have to.
You gotta roll with it, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
I didn't know how after I after I had my
my big one, my episode, I.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Thought I was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
I thought I literally asked George.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
Jordan was sitting with me the whole time, and I
was like, am I like, is this like straight jacket stuff?

Speaker 4 (01:28:30):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
Am I gonna get?

Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
Seriously? I thought I was, especially the second time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
And but but after talking about it and talking to
her about it and tell him Dan, and Dan was
literally going through the same thing I was going He
was just dealing with it way better than I was.
But but talking to people about it, it is a
way more occurring thing for people then you than you
think it is. It's not a personal it is personal,
but you're not alone in it, man, Nope.

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
And I just think, you know, the more people are
opening up out it, the more and more people are
going to be open about it. And uh, We're just
we're in a time, in a season and the world
where there's a lot a lot of people have an
anxiety for a lot of different reasons. And I just
think the more you have a community because you can't

(01:29:16):
go through it alone, that doesn't make them weak.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
It's not a signal of a week, I don't think.
And that's that's a conception I feel at all. You know,
people were nervous about to talk about it, but.

Speaker 4 (01:29:26):
That's a stigma, dude, that's a that's a that's completely
it's not real. I mean it. You can't help it, dude.
When I had it on that golf course, I was
not worried about anything. I was not thinking about it.
Of course subconsciously happened, and so that's enough to be like,
I mean it, dude, it just it just happens to people. People,
And I've had so many people come out of the
woodwork that I've known for years to be like, hey,

(01:29:48):
you're not alone. I've actually struggled with this for a
long time.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
Yeah, I mean that's a life changing occurrence. Yeah, that's
a lot that that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
After that, you view.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Things a little different, man.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
So yeah, thanks for talking about that. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
I think you had me to drag you through it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
But that's a strong word.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
But good on you, good on all that, man.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
I'm proud. Thank you, honestly, man, Thanks thanks for coming by.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
I got a couple of things, got I got a
couple more things as a as a songwriter. This is
this is a question that we know he's got eight minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
You're good.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
What is what's the best country song written that that
you think.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
There is of all time, of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Oh god, I had.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
To put it on you. Do you have a favorite?

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
No, dude, this is so hard because you're saying your songwriter,
you're you're a lyricist.

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
I mean, everybody wants to say he stopped loving her today.
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
I mean, I think so, dude. That is you can
go with that saying you can go with that. Sorry
to drop that bomber on you.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
That's that. That's I think one of them. This is
a very unpopular one, but I think in the let's
if we bagged it to the last twenty five years.
I dude, I think that Humble in Kind is one
of the greatest shout out the songs of all time.
I swear. I know that's a very unpopular answer.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
That's a good one. That's a good answer.

Speaker 4 (01:31:12):
I just there's something about that song that encompasses so
much to me. I don't even have kids yet, but
greatest of all time always maybe? Uh yeah, those are
all great. I had I just had to ask you
because he hasn't heard today. It's probably number one, though,
that's not Let's stick with home on Kome that'll be
We're gonna make a playlist.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
So that'll be cool. Okay, all the people we have
with Okay, cool, I like, I like your intry being humbling.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
Come all right, cool, I just gotta drop this bomb
on you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
I'm sure that was important, that thing you had to say. Well,
it's that part of the show for the one.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
All right, So we do this thing called the One
that Got Away segment.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
Of the show. Didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:50):
It could be a fish. It could be a.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Cut a song, you know, getting cut and not making
the record. It could be a deer that you shot
and got up and walked away because you actually shot
him in the horn. Uh. What what comes to mind
when when we say, hey, man, Hardy, what's uh, what's
the one that got away?

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
For you?

Speaker 4 (01:32:10):
I think mine's Mine's a deer I have. It's a
deer story.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
I love it great.

Speaker 4 (01:32:16):
My dad and I were, uh, you can hunt over
corn in Misissippi, and let's just say some time ago,
maybe before I don't know if it was legal. We
had we had we had cut over, we had cut
over these the pines that were behind our pond, and
it had grown up thick, but but not thick enough
where you couldn't see a deer walking through it, and

(01:32:37):
we were filling up our feeders. One time. We all
we would always take a gun, always take a gun
when we were filling up feeders, because you never know.
And we made a loop around this cutover and got
back up to the shed and we were getting ready
to load up or park the caboto, whatever we had
at the time, and we look at the cutover. We
just drove around and there was the widest, most giant

(01:32:58):
buck at probably a hundred yards that I have ever
seen in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
That's when you see him too.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
Yeah, and me and my dad we we didn't spook him,
but we we we got him up, you know what
I mean. And we sat there without a gun and
we just watched this deer just eased through this. We
didn't even have a gun in the truck. We didn't
even have one in the deer camp. And me and
my dad just sat there and watched this buck slow
walk through a no, just a ten acre cutover, just slow,

(01:33:26):
and it was at one hundred, one hundred and fifty
yards and he was it was everything. He had probably
had a I swear to god, he had like twenty
eight inside. And he will see full giant giant deer
and we just watched him.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
Did you ever see him?

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
You never, never on a camera. Never, nobody ever killed him.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Their ghost.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
The biggest, biggest there we've ever had kind of the
same thing on our property in West Tennessee is we
got a picture of I mean, dude, he was he
had to be one eighty one day.

Speaker 4 (01:33:53):
You get one picture.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
We never saw him on the hoof middle of the nine.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Yeah, never got dude.

Speaker 4 (01:33:57):
I know a guy that killed a buck and this
ain't even that outlandish, uh, but I know a guy
that killed a buck in Mississippi, or know about a
guy that killed a buck. It was like seven or
seventeen miles from where a guy was. A guy was

(01:34:18):
hunting him and.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
He killed him.

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
That far away it was I think it was only
seven but it's still I mean, I just think about,
like my giant that I'm hunting is at our deer
camp and our other three hundred acre property that the
this buck is only on sixty acres. We only hunt sixty.
That's always the case though, right, Like you have some
giant and then we don't have anything on the really
good problem saying yeah, but that's that is seven miles

(01:34:42):
that would be like if I was hunting a stand
at the other place, which seems like so far away, man,
and I would kill and I would see my buck
from the other spot walking.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
Man, it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
You know the you know the huff buck that that uh,
the kid the songwriter from Nashville. Oh yeah, yeah, they
had a deer. They had pictures that year, eight miles
from where Just Dustin shot him. Just goes to show
that here.

Speaker 4 (01:35:09):
I sure.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
Hey, man, I know we went over. We're just we're
just gonna keep it extended this time, dude, we gotta
do it again.

Speaker 4 (01:35:17):
At some point we could sit here and talk forever.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
Hey, thanks for being open, thanks for being home, Thanks
for being home only kind, thanks for being homely kind. Hey,
thank y'all for hanging out with us today in God's Country.

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
And we'll see you next time.

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