Ep. 15: Anne Wilson on Space Jam, REBEL, and Her Jesus

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
What a due. You're off in God's Country with Red
also known as The Brother's Front, where we take a
weekly drive to the intersection of country music and the outdoors.
Two things that go together, like space, jam and kids
that were born in.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
The late eadies were Ryan Stones and Cowboy Boots produced
by a Meat Eater and iHeart Podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
We're gonna sit down with Anne Wilson today. She's new
on the scene in country music, killing it.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
She had a multi platinum song let Me tell You
About My Jesus that kind of projected her into the
you know where she's at right now.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, and I'll tell you those songs to me see
real uplifting, positive vibes. I just like her light man.
She's got a great, great aura around.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Also strong though, like they'll they'll hit you in the face.
It's a lot of a lot of big, big vocal,
big music. It's fun to listen to Her new album,
Rebel is out right now. Go check it out.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
She's awesome, not really rooted and hunting much but understands it.
Grew up on a farm family into it should be
an interesting conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, So go check that one out. And thanks for
hanging out in God's Country. We have miss Ann Wilson
in the building and you may know her as the
singer of the multi platinum song let Me tell You
About My Jesus took me to church. That's where I'm
not gonna lie. Listen to it like three times so

(01:26):
stuck in traffic.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, thank you, yeah, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
And she came in looking smelling better than any guest
we've had yet. And we've got to show you the kicks. Yeah,
hold your hold your handle. Sparkly they are, they're blinged out.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Have you ever stepped into mud hole?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
I haven't. I gotta be careful with these boots. That
would be a five pairs of cowboy boots actually, like
literally like literally fifty are they?

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Where do you put it?

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I have a storage unit for Yeah, I'm talking about
if you.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Ain't a pro, you ain't a pro to you have
a story shoe for your boots fifty five. I've got
two pair and I only wear one. The thing is,
I'm not a cowboy.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Well I've thought like a few that I wear like
on my farm that would get dirty. But then like
most of them are just like for you know, performing
it on stage and stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
So that's already.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
We love a farm room.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
And we're gonna talk to that. We're gonna talk to
Anne about her new music that just dropped her her
farm life. I guess you could you could call it.
But let's let's catch with listeners on where dude, we're
turkey hunt. Oh yes, it's Turkey, and it usually is
not because I think this is the third year or
second year they've done it. But they pushed it back

(02:53):
a couple of weeks because the numbers got a little
low a few years ago, so they moved season back
two weeks. So usually we've been hunting for a couple
of weeks now, but it was opening weekend this past weekend,
and uh, we didn't have we were successful, we didn't
have any luck.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
We didn't try real hard. I'm gonna be honest. We
just enjoy kind of getting out there early season and
just kind of sitting.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, you just listening to birds, see what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
It sounds crazy, but no, I know, I get it.
Are you guys gonna go again?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, a million?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Oh yeah, he's your favorite type of hunting.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
No, I feel like I'm being an interview, but that's great. Uh,
I'm over here too, no dear season. And I was
telling my wife, do you know that's my wife?

Speaker 4 (03:34):
No?

Speaker 3 (03:35):
I did not know that.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Okay, sorry, I always have to tell people like, yeah,
I was. We were having dinner of the night and
and she was like, I don't feel like you're like
as jazzed up about Turkey hunt as you usually are.
And I was like, no, I am. I was like,
but for me, Turkey, Like, all I need during Turkey
season is that one morning where they're gobbling their heads off,
they pitched down, they strut.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
You know, have you ever been? Have you ever seen
it happen?

Speaker 3 (03:55):
No, I've never been.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
It's really a beautiful thing. I mean, it's yeah, out
of and I think that's probably where we're at as hunters,
as we more enjoy the beauty of the woods, waking
up the booty of the woods and going with our dad.
Our dad is just like, he's probably that's awesome, late
sixties at this point. Yeah, so he's just kind of

(04:17):
we're just enjoying I love that that shooting something.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, that's a good way to say it.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Is.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Like when we found out he was going to go
with us, we just we piled up and Dan's ranger
and went behind his house and sat on a tree
all morning and just just talk shop, you know, and
watch deer, watch deer. Yeah, and talked to just sat
there with our dad. And so it's not like we're
getting to a point where as a young hunter you're
real hungry to go after him and you want to
beat the woods up and go find people.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Say, we'll get.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Mad at them, you know, to try to go get them.
But man, what along past that?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
See a little ricky over here?

Speaker 1 (04:49):
It's a little say what's up to a little ricky?
So that's how he's goblin at you.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
That's how they look, right like when they're goblin. Let's
give us a gobble. Let's see how it's going this morning,
don't all right now? You try?

Speaker 1 (05:02):
That was a real bad.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Oh gosh, I cannot just do your mouth like this.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
You can do it. You can do it. Go a shot.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Okay, you.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Pretty good? Pretty good? Pretty good. You gotta get that
warms like whinstones, remember anyway, probably too young with that. Anyway,
that's what they do when they hit the ground, They
goble and they stick there and they you know, that's crazy.
It's to attract the hens to them and so.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
And then that's when you shoot them.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Well kind of this is great. So what happens is
in the when they're in the tree in the mornings,
they try to they usually.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
All go up to roost to go they roost, that's
what they call they that's what they're like the tree.
They sleep in a tree.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
So they go up in the mornings. So this is
the only time of the year that the hens females
are receptive, if you will, to the males. So what
happens is the male will gobble in order to bring
the hens to him, right, so they it's almost like lady.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, gobbles yes.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
So the hens come just like they want to. They
want to breed right now.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
They want to lay a clutch of eggs, right, so clutch,
nice word.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Thanks, So they'll breed. The hens will hang around and
then the hens will go either lay eggs if they're already.
If they've already laid, they'll sit on their nest in
order to arm the eggs up to get you know,
you know how that works. So what happens is the
season goes on, those hens start distancing themselves from the gabler,
so he gets more desperate, so he starting gobling more

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and trying to and they're like, no, man, we're good.
Like we're looking at them all to day. You can
find yourself somewhere else, you know. So what happens is
you're trying to kind of reverse the roles and call
that gobbler to him by going kind of make wait now.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Kid, she's a love. How you asked me, like you
know what I'm talking about. She's like, yeah, So what
happened to us Saturday morning is are the birds that
we were hunting. We're on top of this ridge and
they already had their ladies like they were hen They
call it henned up, so like they had their hands
with them, and there's no once if birds, if God
have hens with them that they haven't bred yet. And

(07:15):
they're trying to, you know, talk into They ain't coming
to you, like you're just gonna sit there and listen
to them all day, like you're not calling off that ridge.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, clear, no clear on how turkey works.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
I got it. Turkey hunting. Oh that is so awful.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Okay, we'll just move on. You can invite her now, course,
I guess I guess I'm gonna invite it she's never said, hey,
will you invite me to go turkey hunt?

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (07:43):
So you have to ask to me invited?

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Now?

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Is that how the relationship works?

Speaker 3 (07:46):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
I like that's also an annoying when you watch please
make that annoying. Yeah, that is make annoying, but it's
also turkey hunt.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Inside.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I was driving here this morning to podcast, and it's
like the switch is flipped on spring. It feels like
like there were tons. The first time I've worn a
short sleeved shirt to town this year, there were a
million people walking up and down Music Road. It's like
feels like it's like seventy five degrees. It feels like
we're there. It feels like it's fine.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Thank Jesus.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
So exciting, no doubt. Fish or Biden. Dad caught a
seven pounder the other day on the bed full of eggs.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
You have ponds on the farm, the family farm.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
We've got one yep fishing and the fishup. My brother
actually put the fish in there, and then he, I
don't know if you all want. He passed away in
twenty so we were fishing like a few months ago
and we realized, like, wow, like these fish he literally
put in this pond and it was so cool.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
I know it was cool enjoying the fruits of his labor.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yow, yeah, later, I know that's all.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Did y'all grow up on that farm together?

Speaker 3 (08:53):
No, So we grew up in Lexington, but then the
farms like two hours south of there, and it's in
this small town where my dad grew up. And so
my granddad owns seven hundred acres. It's right outside of Corbyn, Kentucky,
and it's so beautiful. It's perfect. It's just rolling hills
and we used to have like cattle and horses and everything,
but then now we just we don't really have any

(09:15):
animals on there right now. But we had five hundred acres.
And then my I was at my granddad's house like
a couple of years ago and he comes out of
like his office and he's like, guys, I just found
in like the will or whatever from like his great
granddad or I think no, it was his granddad.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
So this is weird granddad his granddad Y four or
five generation.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, I'm the fifth generation that we have two hundred
more acres. We don't know.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
He found yes, very christy attached.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, and we were like Wow, we had no idea,
it was. It was crazy.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
Son.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
We got to like go see two in her acres
more of land.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
That was years ago.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
That's awesome, I know, I'm so grateful.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, it's beautiful. That's tough to have nowadays, I mean
to acquire that much continue. Oh yeah, it's almost got
to be grandad.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah. Yeah, it's it's so nice. And then my brother's
buried on the farm, so then now it's like we
have like a little like grave site there that will
all kind of get buried out one day. It's really sweet.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Ye special.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, we were really close. And I have a sister too,
she's like the middle one. I'm the youngest. He was
the oldest, so three of us. So he loved the farm.
Like he was a big hunter, Like he loved duck
hunting and deer hunting, and he loved fishing, and so
he was on the farm like literally every weekend when
he would finish college and you know, drive down for
the weekend and stuff, and we would always go together.
And so the farm was like his happiest place in

(10:39):
the whole world. So when he passed away, we were
like we didn't want to bury him in Lexington because
it just didn't really make sense. We were like, we
need to kind of create our own gravesite on the
farm because there wasn't anything there beforehand. And so we
we did, and my dad kind of built it all
up and like put the fence around it. And so
now it's just special getting to go back because every
time we go to the farm, we feel him so

(11:00):
close because he was like that was his place, you
know that he left.

Speaker 5 (11:02):
So yeah, getting.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Me lay me in my ground now, no doubt, like
when I when I'm when I'm getting gone, like if
you burn me or what whatever, what like just just
I'm saying. I'm just saying, like if if you decide
if to go to ashes, like I kind of don't
want to be better. I think I want to be cremated,
but spread me on my pharm. My mama says, what

(11:26):
does my mama say?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Wow, our mama brothers.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Our whole lives.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
So she said one day I was talking to her
about that, and I said, hey, you know, maybe yeah,
because I want to burden my family with like having
to deal with me, you know what I mean. So
I'm like, yeah, just creamated me and spread me out
of where and she's like, well, when Jesus comes back,
you can't resurrect cremated, you know, you've got to have
the bones come up. I'm not sure how literal. I'll

(11:55):
be all right either way. You know how it is. Man,
his mom was there.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
They I know.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
They take it literal, and a some of it is literal.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, absolutely, who's not. I don't know that's the just
leaving my bones, but yeah, that's that's specialties. Do you
get to go back a lot?

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Not a lot, like maybe once every few months because
it's like when I go to Lexington see my family,
it's still on those two hours, so like depending on
what I've got going on. But yeah, I mean like
one day I want to like live there full time,
you know, I'm when I have kids and stuff, like
I wanted that.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
I kind of want that to be like Mike Jordan's.
She's from She's from Kentucky and from uh from Marshall
County and grew up on a chicken farm. And me
and Dan went to Milwaukee this past week, which is
funny because I thought Milwaukee was in Michigan, so like
the whole time, which I kind of knew it wasn't
but I wasn't sure exactly what student was.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Milwaukee was in Michigan, No.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
I just didn't know, like it was in Wisconsin. And
so the joke was all week that bro, When I
asked you where Milwaukee was, you said in Seattle. So
don't even make fun of me not knowing where Milwaukee was.
But the whole joke, the whole week was like, man,
Michigan's awesome up here, Like we literally.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Around. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
So we were gone and then the Turkey season and
and so my wife took the kids back and I've
got a two year old and an eight month old,
the little girls too, Griffin, my eight month olds oak
little boy. So she went back for the first time,
but just with them right for the first time, and
got to spend some time on the farm. And she
called me and she was like, Hey, I've got to
do this more, because like it is good for my

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soul to be on this farm, to watch our two
year old play in the creek and a diaper like
with boots on, and like it brought back memories of
her out there and it's just such a special place
for her. And when you know I read that about you,
it kind of like Drew the you know, the coincidence
that y'all both are from that spot and it's probably
that same thing for you looking back at that place,

(13:55):
how special it is and.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah, yeah, it's so sweet. I feel like it is
so good for the soul, like just going back. And
it's such a slow pace of living too that I
feel like, like with my career and everything that's happened,
everything's gone so fast that like sometimes I'm like when
I go there, I'm like, I can't believe that this
was my life at like one point, like the slowness
of it. But it's like so refreshing to go back
and visit, and.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
The fact that you want to get back to that,
you know, like you want to you know, we talk,
she talks about the same thing, putting a little cabin
on there, just because it's just refreshing.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
It really is.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
It's important too to have that that spot, you know,
where they where When you get there, they're not immediately
talking about your career or what you got going on.
It's more like, hey, you want to go down to
the to the pond, you want to go see see brother,
you want to go walk the fences. You know, that's
that's special. Man. Ground ground is special, and again it's

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hard to come by.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
So it really is.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
I have a spot to come retreat too.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
When'd you move down?

Speaker 3 (15:01):
So? I signed a lease at an apartment in twenty twenty,
right before COVID happened, which was like the worst time ever.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Congratulations. Two years.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah, And I graduated high school in twenty twenty, so
four years ago, and I moved them. But then, like
officially have been living here for three full years, gotcha?

Speaker 2 (15:20):
So not I just immediately knew you wanted to do music,
or you just kind of kind of walked into it.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
You always so I wanted to be an astronaut when.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
I was a kid, Okay, an astronaut, Yeah, you want
to go to the moon.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
I wanted to go to the moon. I wouldn't be
one of those ones that went to Mars or whatever
whenever they're going to do that and not come back. Like, Actually, okay,
I love space. I think it's so cool.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
I'm always curious when someone likes something like that other
outside of our world. I guess you could say.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Literally, I think it just fascinates to me that like
we live in this little ball in space and there's
like this whole other world like up there.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Okay, Like do you guys ever.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Think about it?

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, but then I immediately not think about it because
it freaks me out.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Well for me, it like fascinates me. Like I want
to be one of the people that seizes it with
my own eyes.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Not me I'm exact opposite of you. I want to
be the one of the ones that never say that.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah, Like I'm cool if I never go to Europe,
Like you know what I'm saying. I just want to
stay where where I got. People like you want to travel,
and I'm like, I think I just want to stay
at home.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I want to travel to my dad's about three minutes
away and then travel back to my house and just
kind of hang out.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
But astronaut, that's you. Don't hear that a lot, especially
like from somebody as young as you even now, Like okay,
like how where did that come from? What was?

Speaker 4 (16:36):
Well?

Speaker 3 (16:36):
I was always kind of like naturally gifted it, like
math and science, and I was horrible at like writing
papers in English, which now is like literally write songs
for a living. But I was really bad at writing,
but really good at math. And I guess like I
just I remember being like a little little girl and
just being fascinated with space, Like I wanted to watch
all the space movies and I wanted to learn about it.

(16:58):
And then I had like a class and seventh great,
I think an astronomy class. And normally you don't take
astronomy at most schools, but our school did it, and
the teacher was really good, and I think that kind
of like helped, like she like taught us so much
about it, and I was fascinated. And then I guess
freshman year of high school, I kind of decided and
I was going to do it, so I started taking
like some extra classes.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
An astronaut.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, I mean I like in my heart obviously like
kind of starting the I was like I'm going to
do it, Like I've decided I wouldn't do it, and
I'd research everything at NASA. And you have to be
between a certain height range, and I'm like super short,
so I fit the height range. And then you have
to have twenty twenty vision, which I do. So you
can't wear glasses, you can't have contact. You really researched this, Yeah,

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I went through all like the different like physical requirements.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
At least I met that sounds deeper. It was like
a Google check, you know what I mean. I cannot
be an astronaut like a passion.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
It was like a passion. And then my brother died
that summer, going into my sophomore year of high school.
So he died in a car accident downtown Lexington. He
was going through an intersection and the light turned red.
It was like a really small little intersection. Speed limit
was twenty five and somebody was going sixty the other way,

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and I think what happened was he saw him and
then swerved to try to get away and hit a
pole and the pole like he was in like this
big truck and the pole like didn't like move at all,
and his truck was like demolished, and he died on impact.
And thankfully, he died right in front of the fire station,
like right in front of it. So they ran out immediately,
and a cop was at the intersection. Wo so saw
it all happen, saw that he had died. There was

(18:38):
no chance of him making it to the hospital or anything.
And three hours later we found out about it and
they came to our house to tell us and stuff
in the middle of the night, which.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Was super tragic.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
We were obviously devastated, and up until that point, I
had never sang in front of anyone before I played
piano because my mom forced all three of us to
take piano lessons, like literally had no choice it piano.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
But are you happy that she did that or not?

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Because I literally talked about this last night?

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Okay, Yeah, well I am now I'm thankful and I
see why it does work your brain. The other day,
I was playing piano for fun, like for the first
time in a while, like a classical piano. I'm not
talking about like you know, like for a show, but
like actual piano, like sheet music, and it works your
brain like nothing else does. Like it's actually really good
for your brain. So I see, like why she wanted

(19:25):
us to take it. You're not just earplaying, No, I
like I can't. I can't play by ear. I just
I play by you know, see, I.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Can't play by side. And there's a lot of times
I really wish I could I could read it not cannot,
yeah at all.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
But were you like, were you like miserable when you
were little? Were you're like I don't want to go
to piano lass mom.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Like she would force us to like practice a certain
amount of hours, you know, each week or whatever. And
I hated it, but like, I'm glad she did it
now because it worked. The other two didn't use it,
but I obviously use it now and be grateful. But
so then he died and I was playing piano one day,
like a couple of days after he passed away, I
was I was playing this worship song and I thought

(20:04):
I was alone in the house. I had no idea
my parents were in the house, or I think actually
just my mom was. Anyway, she comes in the room
crying and she was like Ann, like she just heard
me sing this song to God and like in my
private time. She's like, Ann, I had no idea you
could sing.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Your mom didn't know?

Speaker 3 (20:21):
My mom and dad like didn't you really?

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Did? I?

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Really?

Speaker 2 (20:24):
You were really good?

Speaker 4 (20:24):
I thought.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
I thought it was like all like I didn't. I
didn't think I was a good singer. And also like
I didn't have a passion. It's like if you don't
have a passion to do something, like why would you?

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, no, your passion was flying up to Jupiter.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
And when going back to that, when you said movies
about space, you meant Space Jam.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Right, No, I've never seen Space Jam.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
What?

Speaker 3 (20:43):
No, you've never seen Space Jam?

Speaker 2 (20:45):
The greatest space movie of all times?

Speaker 3 (20:47):
When did it come out?

Speaker 2 (20:48):
The best at probably nineties? No, she wasn't born.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
No, yeah, I wasn't born until two thousand and two.
Oh yeah, the night I wasn't in the nineteen.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Go back, can watch the best astronaut movie of all time.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Okay, so.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
You know Michael Jordan, Jordan's animated Martians.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Well, I don't like animated movies.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Well, it goes back and forth.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
It's not about basketball, it's not about space.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Okay, got it. I don't know anything that happened.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Do you know who Michael Jordan is?

Speaker 2 (21:21):
He's in it.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Do you know who Bugs Bunny is?

Speaker 4 (21:23):
He's in it?

Speaker 1 (21:24):
There you space It was a.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Really hard thing to explain. I never realized how hard
it was to explain Space Chap before.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
I never had Carmeloans in it.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah that is.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
There's a couple of like Martian monsters, but it's animal.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
It's a great plot. Yes, they made a new one
with Lebron James. I hadn't seen him.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Said okay, well I'm going to watch it and i'll
report back.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
I love to have your feedback. It's uh, it's high
quality entertainment.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Was great.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
It's probably trash now actually, now that I think about.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
It, it's it's great.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
I don't remember anything about it except my chard was
in it all right.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Back to back to what we were talking about where
you so.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Like that should be a requirement. It's like five foot
tall to five five Uh, you have to have twenty
twenty visions, have to.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
I'm probably like one of the only people that's never
need this.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Movie now and then we're still getting used.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
To it because we're just kind of figuring it out more.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
We're coming in to being old. Speaking of just coming
into being old, you might try to do a cartwheel lately.
Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. My
daughter is four, and she was like, Daddy, you teach
me how to do a cartwheel. I was like, yes, yes,
I will. So we got the front yard. I'm like,
so I get a rock in my bag for back

(22:47):
to get the momentum going. All right, So I'm like, well,
I gotta do it. I gotta do it. Yeah, So
I just cut a cartwheel. I was like, hey, not
too bad. Wife thinks it's funny. Starts filming, cutting other one,
cut another one, three carts with the same day. Wow,
chess has been hurting ever since. Been a week chest
in back neck. Yeah, don't cut cart? Wasn't when you

(23:09):
turn four? Cut him? Now? Cut him down.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
I did one the other day to go good.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Feel pretty good? Nothing stretched? Nope, not feeling it right now. No,
still feeling it. Don't do anything. Sorry, it's okay. You
need to teach your kids to do it. Yeah, don't,
don't back down.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Just show them, show them a video, don't don't.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, maybe just showing me YouTube.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
So your mom finds out you can sing. Were you
singing like all the time and the like by yourself,
like behind close doors? No, not at all.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
I think I had just started to sing a little
bit on the piano, like maybe five or six months
before that, because I started to learn how to like,
you know, like just chords on the piano or whatever
instead of like the classical music. So I think I
had started to play a little bit on my own time,
but they had never heard me sing. I would do
it like when I was by myself at the house
or something, and then yeah, my mom hears me sing
and she's crying, and she's like At this point, they
had already been planning the funeral for two days, and

(23:59):
my dad's side of family and my mom's side of
the family both have really talented singers, and they had
asked our cousin's aunts, uncle's people to sing, and nobody
was willing to sing. They were like, we can't, well,
we won't be able to get through.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
So she was like understood.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
She was like, oh, yeah, totally. So she was like,
would you be able to sing at the funeral? We
really like, I mean, I don't want at my son's funeral,
like for there not to be someone's singing, like it
was breaking her heart, and so I was like, I
need to pray about this, Like I don't know if
I can actually get through that. I mean, like, I've
never sing in front of anyone, and then you want
me to sing at my brother's fast but I felt

(24:35):
like I was supposed to. I don't know how to
explain it, and I had this confidence that I was
going to do it, and I did it and I
didn't cry. We had two funerals. I got through both
of them without crying, which is insane. My sister played
the piano on another song, like just a classical piece,
and she couldn't even make it like a few seconds,
and so yeah, I got through it. And then that
was like the day I remember being on stage and
knowing that I was going to do music. Wow, and

(24:58):
everything changed. And that was seven almost seven years ago.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Now that moment, you know, I knew, and then.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
I just like, yeah, the desire to like be an
astronaut was just like gone. And then I was like, oh,
I'm going to do music. And then like started kind
of leading worship of church and ended up posting a
YouTube video that went viral. And that's how my previous
manager found me when I was fifteen and then developed
me and I started taking voice lessons. I started coming
to Ashville to write songs with co writers, and then

(25:26):
I released my first song. This week makes a full
three years since my first song ever has come out.
Oh wow, thank you, only three years, which is crazy
just to see like how much has happened in three years,
you know, it's just crazy.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
So I was looking through the well I was listening
to you this morning. I was looking through the co
writers and I saw you wrote with Jaren and Zach.
Those are some of my dudes.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
They're amazing.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, yeah, those are great, great people. You're hanging with
some quality folks. Yeah there, I know.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
I'm so grateful for that.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Can we talk about the seventh of June? Yeah, a
little bit, man, what a one beautiful song, really cool thing,
the Duck Calls, you know all that was special. Can
you talk us, like walk us through that a little bit.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, that was filmed with the Farm. It was it
was like my idea envision to film at the Farm.
I had written that song. And I feel like in
Christian culture or like especially in Christian music, which is
where I've started obviously my career, like a lot of
people talk about like heaven and like write all these
great songs about heaven and they're beautiful and like hope
Field or whatever. But like I was so frustrated that

(26:36):
there wasn't a song about reality, like just like yeah,
like you have the hope of heaven, but that doesn't
necessarily get you through.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Make it easier right now life, Like, however.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Many years we have left on this side. And so
I kind of got frustrated one day and I was
like talking to my co writers about it, and I
was like I'm so sick and tired of hearing people
just like just that's all they talk about. And it's like,
I want a song that's about like now, like what
I'm going through right now, how hard it is on
this side because God doesn't tell you to just like
dry your tears and move on, like that's never once

(27:07):
said in the Bible. Like it's like it's about like
the hope of heaven, but also like dealing with the
now of the grief. So we wrote that song in
ten minutes and.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Rather for the listener that doesn't know, yes.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
That's very fast, but normally it's like an eight hour
writing day.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
And but some of them happened like that, Like some
of them, you have something to say so much and
it's such a personal and true to you feeling that
you're putting on pen and paper now it's my pad
or whatever. But like some of them can literally come
to you that quick.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
And the coolest part it was like I had been
on stage singing. They had come out on tour on
the bus with me, and I had been on stage singing,
and then I go into my dressing room and I'm
like taking off a makeup and they come in my
room and they play like the start of the song
and I like literally had just like had that title,
but like I didn't know they had written this song
basically had like written half of it. And I walked

(28:00):
in and they we I was just like crying my
eyes out, and then we finished it in ten minutes
and then recorded it, and then I had the idea
for the farm. So the guy worked with T. K. Mccayney,
like we just did this whole vision together. It was
like a really hard day to get through, honestly, Like
I mean, there was a lot of tears and a
lot of like really sad moments because we were like
on our farm. We were at the grave, like an

(28:21):
actual grave, and there were all these cameras, you know,
and like that's a lot like treating people into like
the inner circle. But we got through it and now
it's a beautiful video and I'm so proud of how
it turned out and how it like honored my brother
in that way.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
So, yeah, did you find like like now looking back,
did you find like a little bit of strength from there,
like like totally overcoming maybe some things?

Speaker 3 (28:43):
And yeah, there was like a lot of healing and too,
Like the guy that played Jacob like that grabs my shoulder.
Like at one part of it, he was wearing Jacob's
shirt that my mom bought for him, like a month
before Jacob died, and so like that was really special.
And then the duck calls that obviously that were my brothers,
and yeah, it was like really healing, and it like

(29:05):
it felt healing in a sense just to like feel
like Jacob was with me, and it felt like he
was with me all day in the pond scene with
like I don't know if you also saw that like
me and like the reflection of my brother in the
water and like that was just really cool.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, I was singing about this and I don't really
know how to say this, but in that song you
say something about God and your brother watching you and
hoping that you're proud of me.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
You know.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Do you feel like that that moment, that that hardship
gave you the platform? Like you said, like you've you've
been singing ever since the funeral, Like do you think
like that that that propelled you to where you are today?

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah? Basically, would you be doing music it had that
not happened? Do you think?

Speaker 5 (29:48):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Not at all? Really?

Speaker 1 (29:50):
No, that's powerful.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Like I don't even like I still don't, like it's
hard for me to wrap my head around the fact
that I do this for a living still, like it's
so it's like so new for me, like still years later,
like I'm like, wait, I really do this. Or like Mike,
my manager, will call and be like, hey, like we
have this huge like opportunity to write with this person
and I'm like, oh my gosh, like I'm so excited,

(30:13):
but he's like no, like and like this person, and
I'm like I still like have to like learn the industry,
if that makes sense. It's like, no, there's a huge
deal for sure, but it's like it's it's like I

(30:37):
have to learn the industry versus like artists that grew
up in Nashville or like you know, you're born and
you're like since the moment you can remember, you just
wanted to do this. It's like I don't have that story.
It's like, yeah, something's so different that I'm still like
wrapping my head around it all. So I don't think
I would have done it. I mean you never know,
but like yeah, like definitely my story of like how

(31:00):
quickly I got into it, the success of my first song,
like where God's Brought Me is a total God story
and there's no other explanation but that. And then yeah,
I don't I don't think I would have let me.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Ask you this. How has the trendsit I mean, not
necessarily transition, but how it has been moving from primarily
Christian music into like the country realm. Has it been
weird at all or just feels like a natural flow?
You haven't really had to change anything, so I mean,
I mean really no.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I haven't. Like my first album My Jesus was like
very country with Christian content, which God has always been
a part of country music, so it feels like they
kind of like go hand in hand, no doubt. There's
just a few differences that are different in like the
songwriting perspectives and stuff. But but yeah, it hasn't felt
hard or anything. It's felt very natural. And like with

(31:48):
this next album, Rebel, like I just felt like I needed,
like naturally, as I was growing up and maturing, it
just was naturally going more country. It wasn't like this
moment where I was like, Okay, now I'm gonna write
a country well, yeah, it was just like this is
just natural. Hots flowing, and it kind of just all
came together really well. But it feels very natural for me,
and so far it's been a really good journey, Like
I feel supported by both sides.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Man, listening to that God Came Rebel, That's right. It
feels like just even listening to it, to the first
song on that album, Rebel, it feels like you you
have something to say, you know what it is? Listen
to this like that's what I like. It demanded my
attention a little.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Bit, stump Clabby.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yes, absolutely, man, And that's uh, that's cool. Is there
a song on that project that stands out to you
that you know is your favorite song on the record,
or or your favorite one to write or means more
to you than the.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Old Yeah, I mean there's so many. There's sixteen songs,
which is a lot, and I love them all so much.
But there's one song, ranging Woman with Laney Wilson that
I really love. I love the message of it and
it's just like a really powerful song. Songs about Whiskey
is one of my favorites. There's a few. I mean,
I feel like the title track Rebel is special to

(33:12):
me because, like you said, it kind of like it
just makes this bold statement out the gate. Yeah that
I think I was like a little hesitant at the
beginning of like what's this going to look like to
write a record that's country but like so faith based
and like me just standing firm and what I believe in.
And I think that song like definitely kind of sets
the tone for you because you hear like.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
You see you see a bunch of records like you know,
Hardy for instance, marrying country and rock and and other
things country and American or bluegrass or what whatever. Beyonce, Yeah,
Beyonce country and pop music. But you you're coming out
the gate like with something that that.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
I don't think people say coming out the gate or
you guys say something for.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Fresher something fresher yes, or just does just say we're old. Okay,
So from the jump there you go. That pressure still
pretty far back, but it's closer from the jump. Bro,
you got me dog you lost you're talking about too? Yeah, Yeah,
it's just uh, it's it's I love. Our dad's a
Baptist preacher and it has been forever, yeah, forever. He

(34:16):
passed the same the same church thirty something years So
it's it's great for me because I've always been a
Christian music fan. I've always been a country fan. But
to especially in twenty twenty four, when you could kind
of be cast it as something you know, like like
like a goodie two shoes or whatever, that's pretty old. Same, yeah,

(34:37):
but that's that. It was impressive to me and inspiring
to me to see you and Wilson marrying those two
and putting out a record like that to say, this
is what I believe in, this is what I love,
this is the music I'm going to sing, this is
the ground I'm going to stand on. I don't know
where I was going at, but that, yeah, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
I think. I mean, as far as where I was headed,
it seems like most time you have to play the
game a little while in order to get to a
place where you can say who you really are, you know,
and just coming out of the gate going hey, this
is who I am and like it or leave it is,
you know. I mean, it's encouraging too as as Christians.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
You know, yeah, us totally thank you.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, I think that's a that's a good spot to be.
I think you're you're making ways and you should be proud.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Of that than what was your what's your writing process? Like,
how was it? I heard you mentioned you wrote on
the road. You had a couple of guys come out.
You're on every track, You're part of every song.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yep, we wrote a little bit on the road and
then we did some writing retreats in town in Nashville
last summer of tween twenty three, and that was really like,
that was really where the bulk of the songs came from,
was sitting in the room together just like no schedule,
like no plan, just writing like a writer.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
I couldn't stay.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Well this time around, I put my foot down and
I only wrote with like a very small group of people.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
So I didn't want.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
To like write, I didn't want to do the whole
blind dating thing, which is great, and you meet people
like Jaron and Zach I hadn't run with. So I
loved that. There were a few that I'm like so
glad I did those rights.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, there are great people out there. There are I'd
be super scared of it.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
So amazing. I think it's just like the first album.
I did so many like blind dates within this album,
Like I was like, you know what, Like there's a
chemistry with my writers, and I like, especially on your
second album, you don't have as much time as when
you did the first obviously because you were just I
was like living my life and then I wrote like

(36:38):
one hundred and fifty songs and then now they're like, Okay,
we gotta go, we gotta go. So yeah, so like
this second album, I was like, you know what, like
I don't have a lot of time. I'm not going
to go spend like a year writing, Like I only
have a certain window of time. I want to write
with my people. And we only wrote forty songs. We
cut sixteen and we're probably going to cut like another

(37:00):
from that. So like it was so much more productive.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Quality or quality over quantity totally.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, how was doing that?

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Oh? Which Opry?

Speaker 2 (37:10):
All of them Grand Old Opry debut in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Oh my gosh, that was amazing. That sounds fun like
literally so surreal. I'll never forget that day.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Is that was that like when you start singing? Was
that like a dream of yours? Like did you ever
think that that was even a possible? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
So my mama, who passed away in twenty fourteen, Love.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Mammals, We had a means closed enough.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
You have a meal.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
We had a meme. That's so cute. I love memal MAM's.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
I smell breakfast right now.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
I can smell.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
She's living it up and.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
She's just smoking. The house is awesome. Yeah, and biscuits
and gravy. Oh yeah, hold it like she did, she did.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
They are the best. They cooked the best. They cooked
the best is nobody like.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
I defeated your mamam mate. That was awesome.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
She made fried chicken.

Speaker 5 (38:04):
So good.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
She was amazing.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
It's like a mammal spice. They can put them. I
knows our killer. My mom's better than his. Yeah, you
know what I mean. But like mems biscuits, Yeah, better
than everybody. Yeah, sure, sorry your mammo.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
So she loved She wanted to be a country superstar
her whole life. She wanted to do country music. She
was like obsessed. So she always wanted to go to
the Obrary, but never had the money to go because
my mom, like they were just you know, like struggled
growing up, you know, and didn't have a lot of money.
And so my mom, like what she told me this
after she passed away. But when I first debuted the

(38:45):
Obry my mom was like super emotional, and I was like, mom, like,
why are you so like sad? She's like, well, my
mom like always wanted to come. She always wanted to
be a country music superstar. And then here you are,
like the person out of the family that we would
have never thought would do music because I just never
wanted to. And it was four months after my first

(39:06):
song ever had come out, so like I literally had
just started my career and they invited me to come play,
and it was just like so fast and like out
of nowhere, and it's still my favorite venue to play ever.
Like I there's something so magical about the Opry, and
I think it's just like the history of all the
artists that have come before and the way you feel
and like you just feel so welcomed in. And it's

(39:27):
seriously like I've played there so many times now and
every time it's like a dream country.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
What songs did you play that first time?

Speaker 3 (39:33):
We did my Jesus we did a song called Devil.
That's all my first album, Devil, and gosh, I cannot
remember the third I think we did maybe in a
place like home.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
What a platform to share the word. I mean, it's
like to be like everybody dreams of that moment, stepping
into that circle and playing their original song. And how
incredible it is that you were able to step in
there and play a song. Let me tell you about
my Jesus, Like, that's that's that's incredible, man, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
She cut a couple of songs with her homemies Landy
Wilson Woman, We love her, loved her forever, talked about
on the podcast. We actually had Jordan and Jacob on
He has a brother, Jacob Davis has brother Jacob. We
did like a bro podcast where basically all we did
was blood duck calls and sing Tracy Lawrence song of
each other. Yeah, it's pretty fun. I actually thought about

(40:27):
a good old Tracy Lawrence quote when you were talking,
when you were doing your rambling about how awesome it
is that she's taking her stance. You know, you remember
that you have to stand for something over you fall
for anything. That's the truth, man, God stand for something
where you fall for anything. Racy Lawrence told us here
you are taking his advice. You should have him on

(40:49):
a song.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
How was How was working with Lande and Jordan?

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Amazing?

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (40:54):
I love them so much? I got Jordan at the A.
C and Lawners back in August.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Of twenty twenty three, and did he have his big
giant beard or trimmed it up?

Speaker 3 (41:02):
He did? It was good, it was nice. It was
trimmed up. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Did you have ever seen him with a scary I
got some candy in my band beard. No, it was
used to be like, remember.

Speaker 5 (41:12):
Where was this.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
It's back in the day, back when you were fifteen?

Speaker 2 (41:17):
He had this giant beard.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
I mean was literally like, oh, I haven't seen this.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
You should check it out.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
I need to look picture.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
It was too much.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
I love you.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
I love you. I think it was too much. I
mean I feel like it was kind of his thing.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
And then he was like, you know what, that's what
I'm saying. I need I think he thought it was
too much.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Literally, beards, man, they're a funny thing. Like like if
I cut my beard off right now, I would look
like I was fourteen.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Really just man going from yeah, a bearded guy that
shaves clean, bro, it's a tough don't.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
I like to send a shout out to God for
putting beards on dudes. That's appreciate. I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
I feel like Jordan's beard two is just so nicely.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Oh yeah, he's grooming the hand that thing, yea perfect.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Probably a hard person for Jordan that to do it. Yeah, yeah,
that's a that's a beer that's every day.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
That's what I'm and like.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't trade for many beards, but I
would trade for Jordan's. Not me, dude, not you. I'm
solid great, that's just that great thing you got going on.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, somebody's presently you think he's got them, dude, see
you Jordan, Okay, see you don't.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
So you were named Let's see Opry's twenty twenty four
Next Stage Artist to Watch, also named r I a
A's Class of twenty twenty two, Pandora's Artist to Watch
twenty twenty three, c MT's Next Women of the Country
twenty four, Spotify's Hot Country Artists to Watch twenty twenty four,
and I'm gonna go ahead and say it God's Country
Podcast Part Broadcast Artists to Watch twenty twenty four. We've

(42:57):
only given that to one person. Everybody that you're the
second one. Yeah, I mean she's yeah, we get it
to Dylan Marlowe. I don't know if you know, I
love that. Yeah, but man, what does that feel like
like being being from you know, Kentucky and not wanting
to fly around in the spaceship to to figuring out
you want to do music for the rest of your life,

(43:18):
to move into town and getting the spotlight so quick
and everything moving so fast? Like how has that been mentally?
How has that been like for you? How like how
are you doing?

Speaker 2 (43:28):
And all that?

Speaker 3 (43:29):
It's crazy, Like I still feel kind of like I mentioned, like,
just it's surreal for me. It's been a lot to
like wrap my head around. Like it's like a really
strange mental thing it does to you of just going
like from a normal girl in Kentucky to then moving
to Nashville, to then living on my own, not going
to college, not doing like the normal path that most

(43:50):
like are all my friends are doing, and then kind
of being like in this strange place of like being
a CEO at twenty two. Yeah, and like all these
people I can clearly work for you, but then like
all your other friends are still in college.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
It's like such a weird dynamic about.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
And I feel like I'm on like a little bit
of like an island, like there's nobody else right now.
Literally no one in my age range it's doing that,
like that's on this exact same path or at least
like yeah, or like not being married or whatever, you know,
Like I have a couple of friends that are in
their thirties that are on this path, that are married
with kids. But then it's like, Okay, there's nobody else.

(44:27):
It's like such a specific type of like thing, and
it's kind of hard, Like I think it's it's like
a lot to wrout my head around. And I'm grateful
for my family. They're very like really involved and they
just keep me grounded. They remind me of like where
I came from. And and then like my childhood friends too.
I love that they don't when we're together, we literally
don't talk about my music. All we talk about is

(44:49):
just like lives like childhood stuff. Yeah, and they just
like they know who I am before my music, and
like that's nice to have people that like treat me
who I am for who I was. And so yeah,
I think it's it's a lot. It's like been a
lot of like counseling and like a lot of up
and down, like just figuring out how to manage it

(45:09):
all and and be like present in the moment, but
then also, yeah, there's just a lot to it.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
I think music does that. I think music kind of
unintentionally puts you on that island, right because like, how
am I supposed to call my buddy cow in South
Mississippi and go, man, check this song out. I wrote.
That's got all these internal rhymes, and oh, we had
to keep it now now for it used to be
three minutes and thirty seconds. Now they want two fifty,
so we kept it in this two fifty range. And oh, man,

(45:38):
you should have seen the way we flipped that phrase.
They don't want to talk about that. Yeah, they don't
even know what you're taking.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
They don't even understand.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yeah, so unless you're talking to songwriters like odds are,
nobody gets even your mom and dad like as supportive
as my mom and dad are, and they try to
be involved.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Yeah yeah, you right with.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Today's son, You're like, yeah, two people you've never heard of,
you had a good one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
I think yeahs so specific and too. Like in Kentucky,
like nobody wanted to do music, Like none of my
friends wanted to do music. They had no desire. When
I signed a record deal, they literally didn't even know
what that meant, and I'd like explained to like what
it meant to have a record deal. So it's just
like you do feel like you're just like alone on
this like little island and there's like so few people
that get it.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yeah, which is even more important. Sorry to cut you
off to the point that that we've been talking about
with you is like you're so firm and what you
believe in your ground like that if you're wishy washy
and you don't you don't know what you stand for
and you'll say yes to anything like and you moved
to this town, there's a good chance it will eat
you up and spit you out because it's you know,
it's just part of the process. But somebody coming in,

(46:43):
you know, that knows what they want to say and
has a firm belief system. That's important, and it's important
for the team that you put around you and your
support system. And yeah, all of that's that's great.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
What do you got comeing up this year? You're going out?

Speaker 3 (46:56):
You play them or you Yeah, I'm going out on tour.
Just announced my headlining tour and the fall called the
Rebel Tour. Come all excited yes, second headlining tour, Thank
You headlined and Fall of twenty twenty three and kind
of closed up to My Jesus album and then this
is going to be the Rebel tour and it's going
to feel so good to play like some new songs

(47:17):
because my whole career so far has been like the
same songs every night. And then now like with a
new album and everything. So we're doing I think like
twenty eight thirty ish cities.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Wow, some places.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
You're going going to California. I love California. We're going
to Nashville the Ryman Killer, which is going to be
so cool the Ryman I have. But to just be real,
like playing at the right when you're not headlining is
not fun because the backstage is so small that there's

(47:50):
just like it's too much, you know. So, but like
headlining is going to be cool, you know So, Yeah,
I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Are you taking you anybody with you?

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Yes? We're taking Jordan Row. Do you guys know him?

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Writ with Jordan's Yeah, we love the sweetest thing.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Like what he's got going on is really similar for
like Kingdom Country and it's all about God and like
this country thing and I think he has like a
really right future ahead of him.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Row that's what that's what they call him.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
That.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah, I know that's gonna be so sweet. I'm actually
really excited. I saw a video of him like reading
his Bible and I'm like, that's so precious.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
He's a good.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
We've written a handful of songs hand Yeah. Yeah, he's awesome.
The new album, Rebel is out, y'all, go, y'all go
check it out. Something we do on this on this
show kind of when we're starting to wrap up, is
we do something called the One that Got Away and
it can be oh, yeah, I forgot we even do that.

(49:00):
I'm sure that that thing that you were trying to so,
but it's that part of the show for the wall
the girls.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Wow, that's good.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
We've never done that before. First, if you list podcast,
you know we're songwriter at podcast. We dabble in.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I mean, we'll have things you'll have other records.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
You'll have in the future. You know what I'm saying
that you don't know like people you've never written with before,
maybe they have good and should talk. You should take
shots on those guys. Yeah, those two brother guys. Ann Wilson,
what is Uh.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Do you have a one that got away for I'm
thinking I've been thinking. I mean, there was a moment. Okay,
this is not like the biggest deal in the world, because.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
What everybody says, it's great.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
I was so, you know, I'm getting I'm new into
country music, and I have all these artists that I've
looked up to, like my like my whole life slash
new who's your favorites, Well, Morgan Wallen, but I got
to meet him, so like I'm good on that and
I love him, but I love Christapleton's one of my favorites.
And I was at the Rhyman and I kind of

(50:17):
have kicked myself like quite a few Like I'm like
really upset that I didn't take this moment.

Speaker 5 (50:20):
But we were.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Backstage and he like literally was like from here to
here and I didn't get a picture with him, and
I like actually, like actually, like it was no big deal.
I was with my manager and I was like, it's
fine because I didn't want to bother him. I didn't
want to come across as like a fangirl. But like
inside I was like freaking out.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
And you're a cowboy hat.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
And uh and then I left and I actually it
was no big deal, but like literally I haven't even
told my managers. But every day since then, I thought of, like,
how sad I was. I didn't get a photo and
I didn't go say hi.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
To make that.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Sorry, we got to make that happen. We'll make that happen.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
It made me really sad.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
How does that go?

Speaker 1 (51:01):
You know that I don't know the worst of it.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
He's so his voice is so oh man, his yeah,
and when he was in Steel Drivers doing the bluegrass thing,
he used to play every like what was it every Tuesday,
Tuesday and Thursdays or something. Yeah, down at station end
all the time. He just come out, sit in his chair,
cowboy hat down, not say a word, and rip.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
What a wild blow up that was too, man.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, I mean he was just like everybody in the
tyrol moment.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Man knew he was like the guy. Yeah, and he
would put records out and nobody care and then all
of a sudden, the justin Timulay thing pop and dude,
he just went into the stratsphere man.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Yeah, and too like he wasn't being played on radio.
And then like but then it was winning all these
awards or whatever, like because I mean, yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
He had I want to say, he had like three
hundred cuts before anybody ever even.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Like that's an insane, insane Yeah, he's talent. He's so
good you saying you're saying that about your one that
got away. My my buddy. We we went to uh
when Luke Combs played The Red Rocks out of Denver
him and yeah, uh him and him and Peyton Manning

(52:19):
are real good friends. And so Peyton flew out to
the show and I guess maybe didn't fly. I think
Peyton lives in Denver or something. Peyton came to the
show and we took one of my buddies, who is
like the biggest Tennessee als.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
It's a great tire family.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Yeah, our whole family.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
But like my buddy went, one of one of my
best friends, and he is like, I mean, from the
jump of his life, it's like Tennessee football. Tennise football
is all we do. And Peyton is like, you know,
idle to him and uh. We go side stage and
Peyton's seving over here with his wife like Reds and
Red Rocks. Nobody's bothering him and Cody stand him side

(52:54):
and I'm like, hey, bro, dude. I was like, now's
your chance. This is the moment you've been waiting for
your whole life.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
Go talk to him.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
And he was like, I can't. And I was like, wait,
what do you mean you can't? He was like it's
just not right. I'm too scared. And I was like, watch, bro,
I'll go say it because I mean song over there.
Talked to Peyton, telled him great quarterback Yaya, came back
over to Cody. I was like, bro, this is the
only opportunity you probably ever gonna get to talk to Peyton.
Mattin still couldn't do it. It's hard You're gonna have

(53:21):
the opportunity to talk to Chris Chris, Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Yeahs you checking out that truly is the one that
got away from him.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
All right, now, let's let's go into uh your favorite
country song? Wow?

Speaker 2 (53:39):
So grave? Maybe this time because the last dude did,
like Bob Dylan or something. I was like playing bomb dealing,
so if you if I can't play it, it doesn't count.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Uh Morgan Walling standing.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
In my boots? Can you sing it?

Speaker 2 (53:52):
How's a start?

Speaker 3 (53:53):
She asked me?

Speaker 5 (53:55):
Where I was from, I said, somewhere too, little town
outside of Knoxville.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Hit him buy some dog wooden trees. She tried talking
with my action. We held hands and waded.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
Into that blue water. She left the fliff offs by
my red wings on the get a.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Ever nine thousand potoles in my songbird Silverado like a
harbor desperado, heading right back to marbles.

Speaker 5 (54:39):
Something about the way she kissed me tells me she
loves eccenci Ever.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
It all brought back with me with some sand in
my boots.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Got your voice is killing her, Wilson, You're a killer.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
It's all country boys.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
It's always fun too, like because a lot of a
lot of the guests we have on we know, and
so it's just kind of like buddy buddy up here
and telling stories that we've already heard and stuff like that.
So it's always fun and exciting and kind of like,
you know, a little nerve wracking to have somebody sit
beside you that you've literally never seen talk to you before.
But man, I feel like we've known each other for
a while.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Dress.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Yeah, you love your story, love your boots out. Now
go spend it, go listen to it. It's it's it's great,
proud of you, thank you. Hey two minutes. Tell me
about your Jesus. Tell me, just tell me about your Jesus.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Oh, I love that, you know. I feel like growing
up in the church, like there's so much about like
Christianity or God or faith or whatever that like gets
so I don't know, like I feel like people just
don't really understand the heart behind in the Gospel.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Of the Jesus is yeah, the relationship part.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
And yeah, and like what it means. And for me,
like growing up in the church, I hated going to
church and I hated sitting through sermons until I realized that,
like Jesus wants a relationship with me. And when I
realized that he actually wants to know me, and it's
not just about going to church and checking it off
my list, but that it's about like knowing him personally
and having a relationship with him, everything changed for me.
And you can have that too, like everyone can have that.

(56:26):
It's like a personal relationship. It's not about you know,
always following the rules and doing the right thing, but
it's like the more you know him, the more you
want to live that kind of life. And there's so
much freedom to it too. It's actually the opposite of
the strict religious culture and it's freedom and it's you,
your love, the feeling of being loved like you've never

(56:47):
felt before, and it's like you're never going to be
satisfied until you were having a relationship with the person
that literally created you.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
So he's never failed, never will. And Wilson, everybody, thanks
for coming out to the mass spin it. She's uh, yeah,
she's awesome. Appreciate you' all hanging out in God's country.
We'll catch you next time.

Speaker 5 (57:06):
H m hmm.

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