Ep. 73: Playing with Vince Gill, Winning CMA Musician of the Year with Charlie Worsham

This week Reid and Dan host CMA Musician of the Year and critically acclaimed artist, Charlie Worsham out in God’s Country. Charlie is arguably the best acoustic guitar player in Nashville and has toured with some of the genres biggest names including Vince Gill, Dierks Bentley, Megan Maroney, and more. He shares the story of his journey, playing the Hall of Fame induction for his hero Marty Stuart and he hopes to get back into spending time outdoors to teach his kids the importance of getting out of the house. The Gravorite melody is a top GCP moment you won’t want to miss.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
What is you are?

Speaker 2 (00:10):
You're done?

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Yeah, You're off in God's Country with your boy Room.
And then Lisbel also known as the Brother Something where
we take a weekly drive to the inn section of
country music and.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
The great out Those.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Two things go together like Marty Stewart and Mississippi.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Or a high and lonesome Sound Bay and also brought
to you by Meat Eater and.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Sam hit it Sam, Here it is. There was on vacation.
We've got Sam vacation, vacation. Come on now, huh?

Speaker 5 (00:48):
To color starts to show down Baby, to Cola starts
show down.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Baby, he's burn seed or Lesbian's good khaki pant.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
These brown boots make a white damn want to.

Speaker 6 (01:04):
Get up and dance because the comas the show down.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Baby, that's all as I go.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
I can't go any loader that you cut. You cut
it too early. Sam, that's cool, he's learning, he's figuring
it out.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Charlie.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
His middle name should be some acoustic guitar savant worse
commercial man. But he's also like a mega killer singer,
Like I feel like then a mega killer songwriter. I
feel like that also kind of just flies under the
radar because he's such a great guitar player.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
But man, that guy's is special.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
One of my favorite he drops one of my favorite,
uh country music stories that we've had on this on
this podcast. He brought a little prop with him, a
little relic. This is the first prop. Maybe Yeah, yeah,
great guitar player. We play a ton of Dan's Hold
of Guitar the whole podcast, and we're just kind of
riffing on songs and we do a little Vince Gilmedley

(02:10):
just a great dude. Man loves Nashville, loves loves playing
the guitar, loves country music, and it's very apparent.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Yeah, authentic human as well as like just a just
a light you know what I mean. Like he's he's
uh cheering other people along. He's encouraging, you know, to
us and to the listener as far as folks who
may be pursuing this this field, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
And you can tell he's grateful, he's humble about the
position he's in and and uh doing a lot of
cool things man, and putting out a record great songs.
You're gonna love it. Listen to Charlie Worsham. It's awesome.
Thanks for thanks for following us, thanks for leaving us.
Five star roast. Yeah, I forgot roast time. I believe
we do have one. I think the roast is done.

(02:54):
The roast has been been cooking on low for eight hours.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Let's go takes ten. That's why he doesn't taste is good?
That's why all right?

Speaker 4 (03:01):
From fifteen JB The Brothers ADHD. I have not read
this yet, so it could be I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I don't know what goes on. So true.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
If you want to listen to a couple of guys
struggle to stay on topic for more than two minutes
and end your commute confused by what you just listen to,
this podcast is for you. Yeah, we get it. You
killed one nice buck from a truck. Bad All jokes aside.
Once you get passed Dan complaining about the most petty
things in life and read trying to maintain twenty five handicap,
the show is legit. The comical banter gets usually. The

(03:31):
comical banter gets usually bits okay, sorry. The comical banter
gets usually culminates with some deep stories about life that
can resonate with even those not passionate about the outdoors
and country music. That was a hell of story. I'm

(03:51):
a day one listener, and y'all are killing it. Just
when I thought the episode of Craig Morgan was the peak.
Y'all keep delivering great content. Hearing the stories behind life
and music really brings all the songs to life.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Kudos to Steve.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Meaner to recognizing talent and bringing you into the circle,
as I wouldn't have come across your podcast otherwise. Dang,
Thanks fifteen JB. It's a welcome edition to my weekly
commute podcast rotation marrying and two things I'm passionate about.
Notice no mention of writing someone's coat tails.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
You're welcome. Come on, man. Thanks, I'm a three handicap
right now. By fifteen JB. That was a good one.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
I'm trying to get suck us with the heat and
then he got a little sweet you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
help you up.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Hey, I want to shout out. Uh, I want to
shout out this guy.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
I haven't done it yet and it's been a while,
but uh, I'm going to shout out.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
This is pretty cool. Sorry, it's taking me a while.
Where is it? Chad from Missouri? Okay?

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Recognize me at the aquarium in Chattanooga. Really literally, man,
I was just I was strolling. I was I was
strolling the stroller and Oak was running around acting like
a shark and trying to bite people, and Griffin will
watching the she was blowing kisses at the guy cleaning
the tank or whatever, and and and I like, you know,
you can kind of like telling somebody's like just feeling

(05:09):
looking at you type thing. And I turned and he
was he was walking next to me, and he goes, hey, man,
you read And I was like yeah. And he's like,
I'm a huge fan of the podcast.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Man.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Wow, He's like, I was like, what's your name is,
like Chad fro Missouri. He's like, I listen every every Tuesday.
He's like, y'all. He was like, he's like, y'all are
crushing it. Man, appreciate you, thanks, thanks for doing what
you're doing.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Just quick. He's like, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
bother you anymore. But just wanted to say, no pictures, nothing, nothing, signed,
nothing for the man. No man. And that's great, Okay,
that's great. I'm not famous. That's true. We're not. I'm
not picture famous. I'm not even though somebody might have
been taking pictures at us the other day. It's kind
of weird. People take pictures with me all the time.
Oh dude.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
They they're like, who are you? And I'm like, oh,
I'm just a guy. They're like, they ask you to
take pictures of the hottest guy I've ever seen. Can
I get a picture with you? I'm sure, man. It
does have nothing to do with this podcast, So chat
shout out Chad from Missouri, thanks for saying, what's up?

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Kill a big deer this year? Chad?

Speaker 3 (06:02):
That's right, Well some turkey's actually that's kill a big deal.
We love Misi man. Hey, we love y'all. Appreciate y'all.
You're gonna love Charlie Worsham and yeah, they's ranging out
with us. Piece speed we are speed Clap, not the

(06:22):
gator chump. That's the movie thing. Speed Man. We got
c m a Musician of the Year and touring Musician
of the Year, a dad in Mississippian songwriting.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
Touring this year with Mega Marooney and n Mudsen and
joining Dirk S. Bentley as a band member for his
twenty twenty five summer tour. Possibly the badest guitars we've
ever had in No Death definitely today we've got mister
Charlie worship.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I'm proud to be here, dude. Thanks for hanging with us.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
We always do this like catch up morning thing we're reading,
I call each other if there's any bits or anything.
And I was like, hey, man, I think we're just
gonna play a lot of guitar today.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
That's fine by me because I'm like, rarely do we
have a top point five percenter player probably in the world.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
So maybe we should just let you.

Speaker 7 (07:19):
Know.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
You all are kind. I tell you, I'm just trying
to be like Brian Sutton when I grew up.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Is that where you started on Briant?

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Like, well, bluegrass in general? I mean, I uh, you know,
when I was really young, my parents would take me
to see concerts, a lot of concerts, and I got it.
Uh not not exactly, but what happened we would go
see Vent Skill, who is my north star in concert
and Marty Stewart, my other north star, and of course

(07:51):
him being from Mississippi was a big part of me
feeling like, oh he's from where I'm from. Maybe I
could do this. Is he from where you're from? I'm
not where I'm from. He from Philadelphia, Mississippi. And I'm
from Grenada, but uh.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
That's our people. Oh yeah, Studio five.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Oh yeah, we both log. Oh god, we could tell
some stories that year I got in trouble playing that
bar in high school because there were the poles on
the bar and that was a you know, that's a
whole nother podcast right there, but the other sketchy bar
Partners or something Partners. As a matter of fact, you

(08:27):
know who played Partners once, not officially as a gig,
but he sat in with the band was Toby Keith.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
No.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, So we were a big music family. My dad,
who made his living as a banker all those years,
he also was a drummer and he's a he's a
great drummer. He doesn't really play much these days, but
my early early memories of music are sitting on his
lap at the drum kit and him letting me bang
on the drums, you know, in a spare bedroom in
the house, and then going to see him play a

(08:54):
gig and the guy in the band that played guitar
saying where Wolves of London and he took the guitar
played the solo with his teeth and that was the
moment I was like, that's who I that's what I
want to.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Do when Yeah. But so part of.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
The musical connection in the family was we had this
festival which still still goes on called thunder on Water
every June. And now that I know it's I can't
go because it's the same weekend as c m A Fest,
but uh it's thunder on Water. We'd get all these
great singers. I mean, we had Trick Pony, Sharie Austin,
Tracy Lawrence, uh, John Anderson played like Debora Mclinton would

(09:29):
play every year, but one year Toby Keith King.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Is Donal Clinton is that Mississippi guy.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
He's not a Mississippi guy as far as I know,
I love He's so good.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
He's got to be Southern.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
He's got to be And you know what I associate
him with is my mom clean in the house. Really
she would put a little doubor cd on uh that, Uh.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Oh, don't make me do that, don't make me do
it already, Love.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Text, love text, if that makes sense. What's that record? Uh,
one of the Fortunate Few or something?

Speaker 4 (09:59):
I always like, Uh, oh, what's the Delver? I'd say
every time I that's it, that's the record. But you know,
Toby Keith came one year and they booked him like
right before should have been a cowboy blew up and

(10:19):
he was out of their price range. And my dad
was the guy who would coordinate and book the festival
and the talent and stuff. So Toby comes to town
and just you know, blows the roof off my hometown.
But then after the gig, he's like, I want to hang,
I want to party, and uh so all the folks
with the festival taking around town. He he wanted food.
The only place open was a gas station. We got

(10:40):
gas station hot dogs.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
And then he went to Partners and he sat in
a corner and signed autographs and then sat in with
the band and then he was like, I still want
to keep going, y'all. So he swam in the holiday
and swimming like one in the morning.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
He wanted to I don't know there's been a better
opener store. Oh yeah, that's great, that's great.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Do a thousand different things on this podcast. One of
them is, uh, what's mad at?

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yes, well, I know I'm a fan, and they go
ahead and pick that guitar up because we don't have
you have a feature on on our what You're Mad
at here.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
And who's going first on what you're mad at?

Speaker 2 (11:16):
We don't even know yet.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
How much time y'all got plenty.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Hey, Uh, just the heads up for the listener. There'll
be a lot of guitar today.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, that's all right, show him.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Show him showing him nothing? Get it all right?

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Just rip a little solo on the back of this. Okay, okay,
what you're mad? Just tell us what it is?

Speaker 1 (11:35):
What you're mad?

Speaker 7 (11:37):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (11:37):
You in lost kids?

Speaker 5 (11:38):
Might be your boss man with your neighbors, cat? Just
tell us what mad at?

Speaker 7 (11:43):
Get it?

Speaker 2 (11:56):
I said, I ain't telling you nothing?

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
What you mad at?

Speaker 7 (12:02):
Dan?

Speaker 1 (12:03):
You mad at anything?

Speaker 2 (12:08):
I don't know if I'm already talk about Did I? Did? I?

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Did I talk about the coffee thing last time? And
I talked about that yet? I'll tell you what I'm
mad at. Here's what I'm mad at. Are you mad
about losing your phone in the parking lot this morning?
Did I?

Speaker 2 (12:23):
You did?

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Charlie almost ran over it, but he got got out
of his car. I wish you would have.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Did I give it to you? I don't know where it's? Okay?

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Right here?

Speaker 4 (12:30):
How did he get right here? You must have found
it because I put it back here, okay, appreciate man.
He was out of his car, like sorry, and I
was like, no, I'm take time.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
I don't know what. I didn't know what he was doing.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
He's like, I think this is somebody's phone and it's
both of y'alls kids. Oh yeah, I wish you just
left it there, Charlie. I hate that thing. So I'm cleaning.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
I'm in the garage the other day and and moving
some boxes around, and I've got my socks on, and
I think I think the kids are downstairs playing. So
I just kind of like went out there and threw
some things away, and uh, there was a box that
I kind of like moved out of the way, and
when I did, it kind of tilted over and it
landed against the back of my leg and all of
a sudden, I just feel this liquid going down my leg.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah, and I was like, what is this?

Speaker 3 (13:15):
And I looked over and there's a full, i'd say
three quarter thing full of coffee that was just sat
on top in the top of the box, full with
the top off, like a throwaway box or like, yes, absolutely,
it's a toss of trash box. So I was like,
what in the word my sock is is coffee now
just just soaked. It's all over the floor. And I
was like dad going picked the cup up, uh faint

(13:39):
and goat. It was a black coffee, probably six dollars,
this much, drink out of it, tossed away. Did you
get that wo you think got it?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Probably jons, Yeah, jokes got it.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
That's what I'm mad at, buying six dollars coffee, drinking
this much out of it and then putting it, sitting it,
setting it on top in the box, on top like
this so it doesn't spill in the box with the
top off.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Here's my question to that, Okay, holler, is anybody mad
at when that coffee was purchased? It probably wasn't six dollars.
It was probably four dollars or four fifty. And that
screen that goes do you want to to that whole?
You know? And I'm all for for tipping, and I
try to tip well, but man, it's it's getting pretty aggressive.
I feel like I'm gonna have to tip on an

(14:26):
old change or something that you know why, because maybe
maybe the people that aren't asking for tips are the
ones that need it.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
I'm just no doubt you know, change is definitely harder
than pouring some coffee.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
I think I I think that's big. Yeah. I think
you're mad at before.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
As yet because when you My thing is like when
you go to pick something up, like you call something
in right, yeah, yeah, and then you go to pick
it up and it's like, well here you go, just
sign right here and they flip the thing around. It's
like eighty five percent right, or a tiger little boxes
his other Have.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
You seen the videos? I'm just picking it up, bro,
tippy Donalds? Would I pick that up? No, that's the
same thing. Maybe you could come in with venmo screen
and just hold it up to them like this is
just going to ask you a few questions and they
could tip you for buying coffee coffee for I'm just saying,
where's the line? Have you seen?

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Have you seen?

Speaker 3 (15:19):
This is not about tipping, but have you seen the
videos of the guy checking out at like the pet
store and it's like, would you like to donate a
dollar to save a dog's life?

Speaker 7 (15:27):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (15:27):
My to that?

Speaker 2 (15:29):
And he's like looking around and hits no, and it's
like are you sure. It's like are you sure?

Speaker 3 (15:32):
And it's like, so you're choosing to kill animals, kill puppies,
and he clicks no, and he's.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
Like, well, uh then why didn't you hit yes. He's
he's like he's looking at the cash cass like this
and then the screenop. So it's like, so you want
us to kill the dog right now? And he's like no,
He's like, does the dodge too late?

Speaker 2 (15:52):
We just did it? Like, oh my gosh, maybe next
time you had donate a dollar, just save a dog's
loss of the cashier.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
It's a beautiful it's a beautiful crazy my favorite. I
know we're getting on what you mad at what I'm
not mad. I'm glad that I'll do glad. I'll make
this myn glad you are glad this morning.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
I'm glad that I.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Saw this meme that made me laugh so hard. Dude,
I guess it's a me.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
It's a meme. Our videos clips still memes? Or does
it have to be?

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Like?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Okay, so the video was they called these reels. It
was a real.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Okay, it's a real and it's it had there's these
two it's a video and there's these two kids standing
there with Mickey Mouse heres on them, and the top
said that the caption says, we take our kids to
Disneyland every year and there and she's got the video
on it. She goes where are we? And they go
where at Disneyland? And she goes up and it says

(16:44):
bush gardens above.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
It's just it's.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
Like Yogi Bear walking around like all these characters that
aren't Disney. But the kids are so young they have
no idea that they're they're not going to Disneyland.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Pretty great.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
I'm impressed were.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Taking land every years, like freaking bush Garden.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Whereas bush Garden is that Lewis.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
Yeah, it's like Hannah Barbara or whatever that thing mate,
you know, I'm talking about the guy.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
It's all those cartoons, not Disney cartoons, the.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Ones, the ones you can get licensing for a little
more reason, Yeah, a little more reason.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Lines aren't as long. Yeah, lines are not as long.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
It's had all the reasons that one hundred dollars instead
of a thousand dollars. One of my favorite stories, Raindy
Montana said he walked in one day and his dad,
Billy was holding his uh was holding soul of it,
I think maybe, and he had an apple and he
was going orange orange, like just just completely messing up
the system, completely teaching him. You know how funny would

(17:43):
that be if with our kids we picked one thing
oh yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Just called messed him up for We talked.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Actually, my wife and I we haven't done it so,
but we really strongly considered it. There's a character in
the office that says tacos oh, and we thought about
just for every time I'm around our kids with oh,
should we get tacos tonight? Just said that their whole life,
But we couldn't bring ourselves to do it.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I do say schoo, and Boone is now say he
say I got schoo today because we don't put off.
So that's actually kind of unintentionally happening.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, you mad anything, man, I got a mad and
a glad. Oh baby, I'm coming in hot today. But
you know my mad ad is not entirely still true.
But about six years ago I got lazy as a songwriter,
and I just fell out of the rhythm of getting
up every morning and kicking my inner songwriter out of
bed and uh, and it all came to a head

(18:39):
and then I and then I buckled down, and since
then I have not let up every morning, even if
I don't have a write or whatever. Even if I'm busy,
I would always make time to write and think about ideas.
And life in the last year has just gotten a
little bit crazy.

Speaker 8 (18:53):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
We welcomed our second child into the world, Thank you.
Harper Jan was born last October. She's almost six months.
But i let my right and slip. And I've been
mad at myself for the last year or so for
letting my right and slip, because what it is is
you then hear a great song, and not only do
you have that, like, dang, I wish I wrote it,
But then I'm like, I'm not even I don't even

(19:14):
have a radar up, you know, but I have. I
will say. I've been getting up earlier every morning and
doing at least the fill up one page thing, and
it does make me think about songs.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
How early you have to get up?

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Between five and five thirty I wake up. But our
sun has one of those hatched night lights that changes colors,
and so he stays in his room till six thirty.
When the light turns green. It's working so far, Dear Lord,
please let it keep working.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
When the light turns green. It turns green.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
You said it and he knows, like until the light
turns green almost stay what color is It's like a
purple pink looking kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
It's not like scary red.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
No, no, well it was red. And then we were like, man,
this is what do we doing?

Speaker 2 (19:59):
And on the monitors.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
But that's my mad ad. I've been mad at myself for.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
One more thing that keeps kids in bed.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
I saw they had the door shut and they put
a goose decoy at I saw that one.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, the kids like I told, I told them, and
I was like, I'm gonna do that if you stay
in your bad He's a big turkey, just like amazing.
That put me back to the man, what are you
glad at?

Speaker 1 (20:27):
My glad at is about the time gave our son
who's four as of yesterday, uh that birthday, Happy birthday,
big dinosaur this kid had. But about the time he
turned to I started playing in music that I love.
So his first favorite song, I'm so excited start me

(20:47):
up by the Rolling Stone. I'm starting with the country.
I'm starting with the rock and roll, the classic rock soil.
He loves. Running down a Dream is his current one.
Long way to the top. You want to rock and
roll by d C. He just discovered he's discovered Rocketman recently,
and you know, like he was at a playdate with
some other friend he has from school, and the parents like, oh, gab,
like's what's what's his favorite song? Wheels on the Bus.

(21:09):
So I'm like, no, start me up, you know. But
but what I love about it is that's kind of
how my dad raised me. And it's this fun sort
of connection in my heart. And I think as he
gets older he'll appreciate. Sure, but now he's four, he
might be ready for country music. I was holding off
to you know, you gotta be a little older, get
that Merle Haggard sadness in your heart, you know.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, sure that's something our dad did too.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Is like I just remember and we and we've talked
to him and and the people that listen to this
podcast knows. But but like Tulsa Time, and and and
and and the Doobie Brothers and Chinatown and all like
that's trying to grow, trying to grab my back.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Grow.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Grow, That's what I said, China Ground.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
No, I said grow when I like, when I think
of my oldest memories of riding around on the truck
with him, it's that it's that stuff and and that
that like. So I'm trying to do the same thing
with my I mean, our daughter's first her the work.
She knew nine to five before she yeah anything, you
know what I mean, Like Dolly Parton. She's gonna have
a Dolly birthday party. Just but she's obsessed with Dolly party.

(22:07):
That's all because we listened to Yeah, it was because
we listened to nine to five and Joe Lene and
all those things.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Man, And she's up. She's got Dolly shirts and Dolly hats.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, And I love like, I love I mean, there's
nothing wrong with that other stuff, but I love like
putting that in front.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Of there's room for both. There's something. And the way
I see it is it's as much for him twenty
or thirty years from now as it is right now,
exactly right because of the memories. I mean, music is
what you set your memories to, you know. So uh,
And I'm building the playlist out, like just yesterday, because
we got them a little trampoline. I added Jump by
Van Halen to the I was like, hey, bro, I

(22:40):
was like, check this out. You're ready for a stuff
over there? Yeah, And then I journal to our kids.
And that's a big point. When I add a new
Song'm like, man, you just started listening to this, or
you know your dad hangover this morning? The year later,
five thirty journaling, don't don't have another one, or that
journal is gone. Yeah, it's a bit of a jump. So, uh,

(23:06):
my daughter.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Was with our mother in law yet like a week ago,
and they were they went to, uh, what's the home
good TJ Max? They went to Max and they were
walking through them. She's five, and uh, Liza goes, hey,
this is Whitney Houston. She was like what, She goes,
this is Whitney Houston singing this song and it was

(23:30):
something she loves. I started playing it. My trick thinking
is that if I play her the greatest female vocalist
of all time early on, maybe that's how she just
starts to say.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, so she she loves.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
Allison Krause, Whitney Houston. Uh, she really loves Elle Langley
right now. Big Griffin got on that, and then Griffin's
on the dollar train and then my my son, he's
Alan Jackson. Dude, Oh yeah, give him Chattahooshie over wheels
on the bus every day. Yes, he loves Chattahooche and
he can't even say it.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Another special thing too, is like being a songwriter is
is I'll play my songs for Griffin and now she'll
call them like if Dan singing a vocal on one
of them, she'll say, play the Uncle Dan song. She'll
be like, play the truck song, play the play the
farm song, play you know, the like the daddy song,
and like, well, we will sit there and go and

(24:28):
drives and whether going to Walmart or whatever, and we'll know.
There's one one thing about Cornett, you know, it's just
like these little nuances that she's picking out. But like
seeing her back there and it's it's it's it's trivial, right,
Like I mean, they're there're songs that haven't been cut,
or maybe some of them have, and but just like

(24:49):
looking in the rear view and seeing her back there
doing this to like, yeah, my songs, you know, like
like creative processes in my head that that are putting
down on the track.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
And man, it's so cool. It's a special thing.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yes it is, and you know, not to get more
of it about it, but I mean, after we're gone,
I think it'll be a great comfort to her.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Down man, But you do I think about that all
the time.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah, you know what, you know, if they could just
have my catalog to go back and listen.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
To, well, they will, they will.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
Songs I've written about them, songs I've written about their mom.
All of the songs I write about their mom. Yeah,
every song about a girl ever written.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Charlie, Yes, absolutely, it is Amen. What did growing up
Mississippi look like for you?

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Like? Were all were all big outdoors family? Were you? Just?

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah? Well yes, And I was actually thinking specifically about
this coming in here today. Uh, I've never hunted once
in my life. I haven't fished since my dad's dad.
My papa took me and I was probably six. And
that's crazy. And I'm gonna get back into it for
my son's sake and kind of relearn and teach myself.

(25:55):
I might have to call you off, But but that
doesn't mean I didn't grow up in the woods.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
I did.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I just mine looked a little different. I think for me,
I was so challenged as an athlete, you know, Uh,
it never made sense. But the minute I got it
was piano lessons at first, but the minute I got
connected to music, that was it. And so my version
of the woods was either if I was by myself,
I had a little walkman with foam headphones on and

(26:24):
a Martin Stewart CD, D White Yoakum or Vince CD, or.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
You were taping back then you were CD.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
I was a CD. No we had well, I had
a cassette, like a big honking hunk of cassette player
in the house.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
I'll be forty later this year. I thought we were
about to save age.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
But as far as like mobility's sake.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
It was the Yeah, I was right at the I
did have a and when I made my first little
Bluegrant Strigger when I was thirteen, it was available and
it's still available on cassette and CD. Now I should
have brought y'all college. I want to send something. Just
let me know if you want cassette or CD.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
I don't have a cassette player, dude, we can find one.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
I don't know that I even have a CD player anymore,
except for on my car made.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
I don't think my truck doesn't have one yours.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
I've never put one in. I've never found it. If
it does, yeah, I guess it's like a secret hiding.

Speaker 7 (27:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy here we go.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
But yeah, for me, outdoors was like if I was
by myself, I would have those headphones on, I'd grab
a stick and I'd close my eyes and be walking
through the woods in the backyard or whatever around the house,
you know, playing along.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
As a child, Like I have a have a vivid
memory of me dreaming about playing the m solo of
We Will Rock You. Yeah, yeah you.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yes, anyway, Uh, I dreamed of me playing that in
like my middle school auditorium in front of all my friends.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
So I know I was younger than that when.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
I was spotlight in the middle, just like a half court. Hey,
we got a guy that's gonna turn out, Sam.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Dude, I actually did that. I ended up doing that
in eighth grade. My school let me play in the auditorium.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, but you were way well better than our wives.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
You were also walking through the woods playing guitar.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
But my best friend live next door and there was
a lot of there are a lot of woods behind her,
and we all had dogs, and that was my other outdoors.
We go out and we built tree forts. That was
the most of my outdoor time. And you know, i'd
be Indiana Jones, that's right, when I wouldn't being Marty Stewart.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
What song did you play in your in eighth grade?

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Uh? You know they let me put on a whole
concert and I did do Uh have a little faith
in me? The Delbert version tough and uh, I can't
remember what else? Probably uh just take those old records
off the ship still you know that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
It's still recurr.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, probably some Vince Gill all all the standards you expect,
you know.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, you were probably the man. They probably weren't. Well
man dude, in a way I was.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
And in a way, you know, I still didn't have
like football player status in school. But like and I
mean by high school too, Like my high school game
was playing in a bar band, although other guys in
the band, I mean playing literally playing Studio fifty five
or wherever what Walnut Street blues bar or whatever in
Greenville or but.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
That probably wasn't even like and tell me if I'm wrong,
but like that the sports thing probably wasn't even I mean,
it's probably in your mind, but not, I mean you
probably just think it right.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
You were just probably just well.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
But look by the time I struck out at t ball,
I realized, like, this ain't my lane.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
But son, you're out, You're out, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Come on you No, it's it's that way around, not
that way around, you know, but uh no, I mean
it just music just was so fun and uh I
kept lucking into and y'all were asking early if I
was bluegrass. I ended up getting into bluegrass first and
banjo before guitar. I wanted a guitar. We would come
up to Nashville and go to Bland theme Park. You know.
I was so fortunate to be a kid at a

(30:03):
time when that theme park was still happening, and to
grow up close enough. Yeah, we could come to see it,
you know, because then you go to the Opry that night.
But I was begging my parents all the way to Nashville,
please can we get a guitar? You know, because growing
guitars was downtown on Broadway where Dirks's Bar is now.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
That place is magic.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
It was so magic.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
If I ever got to go in there, I was
just like, oh yeah, And then you'd be looking at
price tags and you'd be like, I know, yeah thousands.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Of times I know, uh, but yeah, so I would.
I would beg them, you know. And then we went
to oppery Land and Mike Snyder had a one of
the that was one of the cool things. But Ipperland
had all those great shows, you know, and he had
this sort of bluegrass show and he was playing banjo
and had the fur coat song. She's really putting on
a dog when she goes out tonight. That's where the

(30:52):
he runs over the German shepherd makes the fur coat.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
She's been masked for.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Out it talking about killing a dog. But no. So
the whole way home I was like, can I please
get a banjo? And that kind of gave me this
awesome detour of bluegrass and then I played like the
bluegrass circuit, like bluegrass competitions, banjo of Manlin, all that stuff.
And then eventually got a guitar, which I actually bought

(31:17):
it gruins. I was in fifth grade. I had saved
up five hundred dollars and there was a telecaster for
six hundred dollars and I had my banjo with me.
So I went out on the street and I played
for tips for two hours and I made about fifty
bucks an hour. Walk back in with like all these
singles and all the money I had saved up and
bought that telecast. God, and then I was on that path,
you know, and which led to playing in bar bands,

(31:39):
which is the best education you could hope for it.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Agreed.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
Yeah, that's that's where I cut my teeth as well.
And you learn a lot about life in those bars.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Oh you did. I ran into my biology teacher one weekend.
She was like mortified. I was like, no, this is
cool there.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
I saw people get hit in the face. I saw
people cheat. Yeah, just all from the stage. And by
the way, people who go to sea bands, we can
see you, dude. Oh there's like this veil that that
the band doesn't know. Dude, we're watching all night long.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, all night long, sometimes entire like cinematic sometimes how
you get through the gig.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, especially when you play it was entertaining. Who Chicken
wire in a one way mirror? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Did you play any chicken water places?

Speaker 1 (32:29):
The one place I got, uh, well, not full, but
up to the up to waist high we played one.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
It was kind of in the delta, mississip I can't
I want to say.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Like Greenwood, Greenville.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Green State is kind of oh, Cleveland. Yeah, Cleveland's got
some spots, man.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
It was somewhere over there and it was this. It
was a rough spot, dude, what do you call it?
Chicken wire like a chicken wire place. No, literally, like
the bands walled off to protect them if in case
they throw a for real. Yeah, I played one place
that had another way out by.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
The time, I think so, and the one we were
at it was more to keep like drunks from dancing
on stage than throwing beer bottles waist high. It was
the Queen of Clubs in uh right across the river
from Clarksdale.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
That's a cool name for a club. Did you ever
play Natchez?

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Not until I was out out on my own.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
That was a rough spot. I can't remember the name
of the bar, but it's like the oldest bar.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
The under the hill spot, like down there by the river.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
I really remember, dude.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
That well, yeah, I've got some It was rough. Yeah,
it was so rough. I saw I saw a fight.
The stage elevated like six feet, so you were looking
down on people, and I saw a fight start to
break out and the guy went to tayze one of
the dudes when he did his like ninety pound girlfriend

(33:54):
slid him between him and he stuck her and she
just went. It was was like Jamie, he was like
keep playing, kept playing and got out of there. That's
a wild place. There's no other place on earth like Natcha.
And I feel that way about a lot of Mississippi.

Speaker 7 (34:12):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
And I'm getting ready to do podcast on my own
actually with the visit Misissippi folks called Mississippi on the
map and talking about how influential all these Mississippians are,
you know, over the over the course of history, but
on music. But you know Natchez or pick any place
in the mountains Greenwood, and and you wouldn't think, you know, Okay,

(34:34):
I'm gonna especially somebody from across the pond or something like, oh,
I'm gonna go to America and see. But like and
sometimes the people from farthest away are the ones who
are like, no, I want to go see Mississippi. You
don't see where Elvis grew up. I don't see where
Roberts are all that stuff. But it is a pretty
spooky and cool place.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
It is.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
South Mississippi is a almost like a different continent. North Mississippi.

Speaker 9 (34:55):
It has its own, uh, greasy kind of old vibe.
That's the yeah, yeah, okay, yes, well, and you know,
the other thing with Mississippi is two of the biggest
pieces of the Mississippi story are just across the border
in Memphis and New Orleans.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
So I feel like all of South Mississippi has a
touch of that New Orleans you know, swampy thing, and
then all the Memphis stuff. You know, I mean, we're
we're where Memphis farms. It's talent. You know, Historically everybody
came up from Mississippi and landed in Memphis, and then
a lot of them came here. But uh, but yeah,
it's a it's a cool spot.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
I love. Missippy was a solid spot in my heart.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
What was it like going so so you're in you're
in high school, playing these bar bands.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, you decide to go to Berkeley? Yeah, up in Boston.
What was that like?

Speaker 3 (35:46):
What was the transition from middle Mississippi country, right, good
old boy up to Boston to wear to put it
in a phrase, that's like the.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Best culture shock in the world. And I was one
of the coolest things. And they did a lot of
great things raising me. But my mom in particular did
as a school teacher and one who believes that travel
is the best education. By the time I left home,
she had taken our family to Europe half a dozen times,

(36:16):
all over the States. So I was a pretty well
traveled kid becoming from Mississippi. And I knew I was
a bit of a nerd and history buff. I knew
there was so much cool history American history in Boston.
And Boston is a great walking city, and when you're
a student who ain't got a car, you know well
and honestly to that's part of the culture shot, coming
from where you drive everywhere to where you kind of

(36:37):
walk everywhere, you take public transportation. I loved it, and
Berkeley in particular is such an international scene. And I
actually ended up in a bluegrass band. I got college
credit for playing banjo there, which was great. But I
was in I was in bands with people from all
across the world and getting exposed to all kinds of
cool music. And then on the weekends I would like

(36:59):
walk across town and go to the Italian market in
Little Italy and then come home and he persudo, which
is just Italian bacon, you know. So it was great.
I loved it, and so many of the people to
this day that I still work with. I met at Berkeley,
we all moved here. Well, my one of my bestmonders here,
Eric Massey. He's a great engineering producer. He and Frank

(37:20):
Ladell produced the self titled record Parker mccomb's about to
come out with Uh. They did Miranda's Weight of These
Wings and where I worked with Eric on my first record,
Rubber Band, And on the beginning of things with Eric
and with Frank, you just you.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
Know, you didn't feel you didn't feel that chill from
across the room when you said rubber band, you have
kind of a fan.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Well, Eric Massey is a big part of that record
for me. And then like Maddie who lives here, a
bunch of people, Maddy she I met as a matter
of fact, Maddie, and then this guy Kyle Ryan.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Uh. She's a killer songwriter.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
She's so good and her voice just like gives me
chills every time. But Maddie and Kyle, who toured almost
as like a duo for years, their first time meeting
was like a recording project I had for class. I
was like, Hey, Maddie, I want to do this song,
and let's get Kyle over here to play and my
buddy out of my olden door. If he works at
the Country Music Hall of Fame and he plays for
Ashley and Row and different people. So there were a

(38:18):
bunch of us who came down.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Glad to hear you, dude, can I just can I
just throw good?

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Me and me?

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Just picture this.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Me and Luke comes are in Kansas in a like
a ninety four Eddie Bauer audition Bronco and we're rolling
down just playing songs we love and and and he
this is like it's one of the first times like
just me and him have been, you know, hanging out.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
And this is a couple of years ago.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
And he's like, dude, He's like, you know what song
that I can't get out of my head? When like
when I'm riding down the road and I'm like, what
want me To?

Speaker 1 (38:51):
As? Can we do?

Speaker 7 (38:53):
Can we do it?

Speaker 2 (38:53):
A first four? So are you mad at that song yet?
Are you mad at it? I'm not mad at that song.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
I used to be mad at that song. I had
the chance to pick my second single and I picked
want Me To? And it tanked and in hinsight either
for a long long time, well it was timing, you
know it was just what was the scene in that song?
In hindsight, and for a long time I was upset

(39:19):
that I didn't pick something that had more teeth as
a song. I was just thinking, well, it should be radio,
should be up tempo and like fun. But I've made
peace with that song and I actually have so much
gratitude for it now.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
You know it's yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
You.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Get the yeah, you just get out your Hardy Combs
is loving this right now. He just perked up somewhere.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Lock on your heart is changing in the dark somehow
and lost key say you tried everything to gain love
back again? Baby, you ain't tried me that I could
break one through. If you want me to tell me
what it takes kitchen on a thing, then I can

(40:14):
take it from there. This mon Son and the girl
get you floating on earth? If you want me to
come on? Do you want me to?

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Man?

Speaker 1 (40:30):
I skipping like a storm of water? Tell me? What
have I gotta do to make you want me to?
Where Phil couldn't fall any mother?

Speaker 7 (40:47):
Have me?

Speaker 1 (40:48):
What did I gotta do to make you want me to?
Make you want me to? Make you want me to? Yo?
Hitty man, ain't y'all directors out there. It's in your system.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
So when, So when did you go to Berkeley with
the idea of, like, I'm going to go to Berkeley
and then I'm gonna go straight to.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Nashville big time. I don't even know if I knew
it consciously, but I think subconsciously, I think I knew
when I was twelve I had to end up in Nashville.
I just didn't know the middle part of like, you know. Unfortunately,
my parents were so supportive and understand. I mean, they
wanted me to go to college. Uh, not even as

(41:43):
a backup planning. They supported me going to get in
the music plan college route.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
I just didn't know what. You know, when you're twelve,
it's like you're not necessarily think, well, how am I
gonna convince my family and how am I gonna pull
this off?

Speaker 2 (41:57):
You know?

Speaker 1 (41:58):
But every step of the way just kind of kept
kind of pointing toward it, you know, especially all those
trips we made, just family vacations. I just love Nashville's
This was the closest big, big.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
City were you writing as a little kid.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
You know what's funny is I so I was a
picker first, and then I had the good fortune. This
guy named Norma Putnam, world renowned musician, played on a
bunch of Elvis Records, Producer producer Margare Ritaville and John
BIA's Records. Had a studio Quad Studios. We probably throw
a rock and.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Hit from here.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
He had married a grenade girl and in my high
school years he set up a little production studio, and
I don't know how I was introduced to him, but
I was, and he mentored me and had some recording
gear he wanted to sell sold it to me for
next to nothing, and so I started recording, and then
I had to start writing. Well, I started singing because

(42:52):
of the four hour sets in those bar bands, and
everybody's got to sing and think. So I sang out
in necess I ran out of cover songs to record,
so I wrote started writing out of necessity. And the
first songs I wrote were jingles for some local come
to Trisha's barbershop, Come real Soon. I sold them to
her barbershop and to Yes, thinking out my first she

(43:16):
is she is? And then uh uh oh what was
the feed store? Uh? Cross country feed cross country seat
that I wrote for them? That one fire speed shovels,
reck song and more it's all here and our brand
new store. Come on down to Cross Country.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
See.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
You know it probably was at that time a bit
you know. Uh and yeah, I think they paid me
each like one hundred hundred and fifty bucks and I'd
be driving around to school, you know, it'd be on
B one hundred on the radio. Like that was my
first I got serious about writing at Berkeley. I had
some great teachers who helped kind of expand my horizon,

(43:59):
especially on the lyric writing side, and got me listening
to songs in a new way. So I was able
to come into Nashville at a better angle of approach.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
You know, you mentioned Frank Lyndell that he did that.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Talking about Liam Wack record. Well, you know, and I
don't know if he's officially credited on. There's more where
that came from, but I have a feeling he was
very involved.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Dude, that is.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
The only person I have met in Nashville that it
shook me.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
It really did. Man.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
I can't remember why I was at Fenwicks or we
were at Fenwicks me and you wasn't it And Frank
was there and.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
He was like that was my first publishing deal was
a carne Frank and and and me and Frank were
actually going to start working on a record until I
jumped ship and rumined everybody's plans of being an artist.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
Thanks thanks both season but anyway, he said, well you'll
have a seat, and Reid sat next to Frank and
the only open it was a booth.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yeah, it was next to her.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
And I met Leanne before I didn't put it together
for a second, and she was like, hey, how are you?
And I saw her eyes and there they're weirdly crystally blue,
like oh yeah, piercing.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah, insane, she has insane eye contact. I mean she
is very intense, like.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Dude, I was, I was.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
I was just like oh oh, and I was like
it started making, Oh yeah, he's made. And then I
was like, oh my gosh, I'm like having coffee with
LeAnn Walmer.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, and it was pretty nuts. Man. Yeah, but she's
a dude.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
I mean all time at there's more where that came
from record. When I first moved to town, I mean,
we were in the band van like that's all we
listened to just don't repeat, and looking back, like, what
a gift to Nashville songwriting she is because she cuts
outside songs, and she still doesn't mean all her records
are great?

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Are you gonna hate me in the morning? If I
make you play? Hate myself in the morning?

Speaker 1 (45:58):
If I I don't remember the verses but.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Read a look I can look. Let's see? Is that
a g right?

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yeah? No, no, nothing do and always get another round.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
If you do the key change, I'm fighting you.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
I'm not don something. Don down.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
There it is.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I know it's wrong. The move and on? Why can't
you freez? Remember good? I can't remember more.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
When I wake up, I'll be feeling a little guilty
and a little sad, A little sad?

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Oh is that the second verse?

Speaker 1 (47:02):
It's you know what's crazy is I don't think I
ever learned to sing them, because I mean, why would you?
She already did?

Speaker 2 (47:10):
What about?

Speaker 7 (47:10):
What about?

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Uh uh?

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Oh? We can a little past, little rock?

Speaker 10 (47:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:16):
But how does the how does the little past little art?
Let go? Oh?

Speaker 7 (47:19):
Dude, please be.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I got it, you got it?

Speaker 7 (47:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
I had to leave my life in Dallas pretty trying
to see. Had to leave my life in Dallas. That
town will always be.

Speaker 5 (47:50):
In it, A crowd on every corner, every face out.
So we have nothing more than a tink of gas.
I drove away without looking back, and I guess since
how I got whether I'm I'm.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Going anywhere as fast as I can.

Speaker 6 (48:17):
Now, I'm a little past little Roup and further down
a line.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Too soon or no, what's up ahead? Too late to
change my mind.

Speaker 6 (48:29):
I gotta keep my heart out of this and.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Both hands on the wind. I'm learning more with every mind,
just how I live in fields.

Speaker 6 (48:41):
It's a lonely stretch of black top down into the blue.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
I don't know where I'll go.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
Or what I do because I'm a little past a
little roup, but a long way.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
From more over. You what about it? The food love
fo Yeah? With you? Should you imagine like coming into
a rite and then saying, hey, I got an idea.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
My goodness, dream day. It's just so like that voice
is just angelic.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Yeah, So you moved it, You moved to Nashville.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
You putting a hard left on Land.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
I feel like we did a justice, right, You got
anything else you want to? I just love her so much.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
I love her so much.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Can we get Land war work up here? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (49:47):
All right?

Speaker 3 (49:47):
You've been in town eighteen years. Yeah, you're releasing your
first independent record. Yeah, what what do you hope to.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
What do you hope to garner with that record? What
do you hope to to do with it?

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Does? What I've learned making this record, which I think
I was starting to figure out over the last eighteen years,
is the thing I can't live without is making records
and the thing you're always going to do it. I
got to do it. I can't not do it. And
I'm in a place where for a long time, especially
you know, when Rubber Band came out and didn't take

(50:24):
off commercially speaking, I got in a really bad way.
I got really angry, and I didn't know it then.
I know this now. I wasn't actually angry so much
as I was scared to death. And what I was
scared of was that I wasn't going to get to
do this. That was what I was worried about. And
then some I'm supposed to work. Yes, up to that point,

(50:47):
everything had kind of fallen into place, and you get
your one shot and you throw it out there and
you think that you know and and I you know,
if there's a young aspiring creative listening, like, if there's
one thing I can tell them, it's like, you know,
if your intentions for doing this are true, there really
isn't so much a thing as one shot. I mean,

(51:09):
in a way, there's you might only get one shot
on a major label. And I was lucky in those
twelve years at one of they kept let me make records,
and they even kind of sent me out the door,
I think with some money I wasn't supposed to get
so I could make this record. But like you know,
even if that goes away, that doesn't take away what
makes you a singer, a writer, an artist, you know,
and you'll always get to do it if that's what

(51:30):
you're in it for. And so I've hit a place
where I'm not scared anymore of not getting to do it.
And I think the low bar for this record is
that it just gets me down the road to keep
making more records. The high bar is still that thing
I dreamed about at twelve. At thirteen. You know, I
live a charmed life. You know, next week I'm going

(51:52):
to be in the studio playing on you know, a
major record for another country artist. And last week I
was finishing up this record in the studio for myself.
And in a couple months I'll be on the road
playing to fifteen thousand people with Dirks, you know, which
is awesome. The only way this could all get better
is if that summer part of it and the studio

(52:13):
part of it was all just like, all I'm doing
is writing songs for me and playing my shows. And
that's the hope, you know, is to be able to
figure out how I can tour on my own bow
out of Dirks, who's been such a good friend to
me and so supportive. Not just you know, he's so
good to his band, he also honors us as dads
and does so many little things that are really big

(52:35):
things to give us that extra time with our families,
take care of us. He also honors and respects me
as an artist and gives me freedom to go chase
my thing. But yeah, I think that's the only way
it could get better. But even in saying that, it's like,
I don't know that I'd be here if I hadn't
had these detours, and I've learned so much about writing
and putting on a show and making records from all

(52:55):
these other folks. I don't think i'd have a CMA
on my shelf if it hadn't been for this path,
you know at this point. So I'm just grateful for it,
but that'd be the only thing, you know, and I'm
like so close to the absolute, absolute dream. I'm already
living the dream.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Yeah, man, And it's true, like once you get over that,
because I think if you don't move to this town
with a little bit of pit in your stomach, with
a little bit of fear, then you may be coming
at it the wrong way because because you're right, man,
and I hope people find out that once that, once
you pass that fear, once you conquer that fear, man,
it just opens up the doors to freedom to be creative, right,

(53:31):
and not put your creativity in a box. And you
can really you're not You're not sitting down to write
a song that you feel like has to fit in
this Once you feel like you're free, you can you
can venture out and you can you can be creative
who you are creatively, yes, and not just try to
be the town creative.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
And I think everybody has to go through their own
version of that where it's like you hear what's working.
I did you know rubber Band didn't work? But bro
Country was working it. So, man, if you pull up
my catalog and the songs I was writing in twenty fifteen. Yeah, man,
it's a lot of me trying to be Sam Hunt,
you know, absolutely. But in doing that and then I learned, oh, well,
that's not me, and that's what makes him him is

(54:09):
awesome for him.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Okay, So who are you? What makes you? I feel
like I.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
Came to that same, yeah, clarity after writing for about
ten years, honestly, grinding, grinding, grinding, I came to a
place where I recognized what it was that I did
that held value and was important or I thought would
eventually be important to someone.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yet I could help. What do you when you think?

Speaker 4 (54:36):
When you when when when it's Charlie worship Man like, yeah,
I know what it is.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
I just want to know. Yeah, you think it is.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
I mean, for the singing, it's it's high lonesome. It's
the bluegrass thing. And bluegrass instrumentation is in there, you know,
a lot of banjo and mandolin. I think that's a
big part of where I get my pocket. Yeah, and
I do think we all have grooves. Sorry about my pocket, dude,
your pocket's great. I felt it's your pocket. No, I'm sorry,
don't be It's great. There's a lot deeper. Yeah, we

(55:07):
all got it's all good. And then you know the
rest of the instrumentation for me, the sonic recipe, there's
a lot of skinnered and there's a lot of Southern
rock in there for me. And then as far as
like the songs and the writing, it's that Mississippi thing.
It's like trying to reach a little deeper to a

(55:27):
little more story. Uh, not that I'm anything even within
the universe of a you Dore Wealthier William Faulkner. I
just that's where I come from, sure, right, That's that's
what I was raised on as far as storytelling goes.
Also get in my opinion, equally entertaining stories from my
uncle Ronnie and just as brilliant as well. You know
what I mean.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
I absolutely know what you mean, because I think the
song on your record that does that is the second Chance,
the uh.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Oh, once upon a second time around, Once.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Upon a second time around.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
Man, when I heard that too, and I was like, jeez,
he took like a a pretty common story and kind
of made it beautiful, you know what I mean, in
a Mississippi way.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
And I don't I don't mean that because they're both alcoholics.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
I mean in the conversation, the conversation on this of it, Yeah,
is very relative, but it's also it's pretty pretty smart.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Who meet in an AA meeting and fall in love
and have a sober second marriage. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Man, they watch a little TV on the couch, Yeah,
get a good maybe go to the movies every now
and then.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, I just know those people. Man to my aunts
and my uncles and there.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
I mean, I could it's not all my aunts and
uncles if any of you all listen to this.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
But there are there are people in my family, you know,
ain't that all of us that we all have. I mean,
may we be so lucky to screw up and get
a second act. You know. I hope my kids screw up.
I hope they do it, but learn from it, because otherwise,
you know, you're not really getting out of the shallow
end of the swimming pool of life.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Yeah, you taste a little redemption. Yeah, and you know
that that it's okay to do that. It's okay.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
It's nothing of the world if you if you make
a mistake, yeah, and whatever, you're just beauty in.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
That definition of failure is is only I wish that
was something we could adopt. And to the listener who's aspiring,
like you were talking about, man, that all that is
is just part of the process. You can't even you
can't give it more weight than it deserves because it's
hearing no or whatever you think failing actually is should

(57:28):
be nothing more than propulsion.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
That's right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Yeah, if you're a weightlifter, what do you do to
your muscles? You reach failure and then you let it recover,
and now you're starting with your true wisdom. You could
only gain from that from breaking it all the way down.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
The only way to do it.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Yeah, truthfully, I mean it's in the Bible. I mean
the flood, you know, the whole New Testament is based
on that. So I mean, yes, there's a there's a
deep truth in that. And being almost twenty years in Nashville,
I feel like I'm starting to be the recipient of
the grace part of it, you know, and the and
the goodness the fruits of all that.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
So yeah, well, dude, you're a very very respected human
in this town. But also, man, people just love you,
and I I just want to commend you on on
besides being an insane player and insane singer and insane
songwriter all across the board, just genuinely being a good
dude that that the town loves and is proud of

(58:27):
and proud to call you one of our own.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Serious Thank you man. Yeah, man, I mean no, I
mean it.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
You're you're you're a special dude. Wan. End with that quote.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
You want to read the quote, Yeah, I do pretty
I feel like it's been five minutes.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yes, I know, I feel like we're just getting man,
it's good.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Yeah, this is uh, this is a quote you said
in an interview. The two more the two most important
things are to hold on to a student growth mindset.
Always be practicing, always be freaking out on a new record.
And if there's something about the writing, chase that and
find out what it is about writing that intersects with
who you are. The most important thing is that if

(59:04):
you don't reveal your true self to others, they may
create a persona for you, and you may not like
who they create. So stick to being you, even if
it feels like you're going against the grain. That could
be your secret weapon. Nobody else can do what you do.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Come on, man, and here's the deal.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Like, you know, this is the first time we've we've
been able to hang out like this and have conversation,
and we've been in the same rooms. And I loved
watching you cut those lutes and the Luke sessions and
all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Been amazing.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
But man, just sitting here with you for the past hour,
I know that's you. You know, like I can. I
can see that being true too in your mindset and
your platform and uh and and dude, that's that's a
beautiful way to put that. Man, thank you, And I
can see that throughout your careers. I'm not gonna let
you get out of here though, without playing a lot

(59:57):
of music. So I want to hear the story about this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Oh yes, well, I was thinking about my camera and
I got to say to it. I was telling Jordan
this before the cameras role. I was before I really
listened listen to the podcast. I was just following and
I would I would see it on my screen and
I be like, what is the gravel?

Speaker 10 (01:00:14):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
That sounds like something in the King Billy Days plays
that we go down to the basement and fire up.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
I came to that house. You are played house shows
at that house. I would come to I've come to
that house, and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
That was a magic time. Was hot ship, dude. And
for people who don't know, I mean John Osborne from
Brothers Osborne. He was the guitar player Josh Mntheny who
just got second or third or fourth amination as a
session player, plays on Carly Pierce Records, Dough bro uh.
And then Kevin Weaver who is the best drummer who's
also a plumber yep, or the best plumber who's also

(01:00:48):
a drum drummer. He's a plumb drum guy. Yeah. Yeah,
but that was a magic, magic time. Those were all
the big brothers I never had, and what a great
way to get.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
It was so cool. God, these guys are.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Well we'd get those GAC those like you know, minute
and a half commercials, and then every time they did
there was like a product placement. So that one time
it was man Wich and like they just brought up
cases of management. We were broke as ship, you know,
so we just say Manwich whatever we had, you know.
But so this rug right here, the story here, this
is my my favorite uh song in mind that we'll

(01:01:22):
get to UH. When I was eleven ten eleven, uh,
that festival to Keith play. Marty Stewart came to play,
and uh, Marty got about he was my all time hero.
I had just started getting good at decent at banjo.
I went to the meet and greet I played banjo
for him. He was very gracious, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
To take your banjo to me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
And he let me play him a song. But you
know now that we're on that side of it like that,
it's this much effort. But man, when you're the kid,
changes your life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
So thank you mar In that wild that's awesome, and
so get more. Get Marito.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
He'll he'll do it, he'll do it. And you got
to check out what he's doing in Philadelphia, Misissippi with
his congress at country music too. He's he's the best.

Speaker 7 (01:02:07):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
But no this uh, that day he gets ready to
play his show. I've been looking forward to this like
it's the biggest event of my life to this point.
And about five songs in the biggest thunderstorm that ever
hit Grenada drops on us and they have to yank
him off the stage because there's lighting in and stays.
There's no way he can go on. We're also parked
at the bottom of the levee. His buses and so

(01:02:29):
it's getting muddy fast. So the drivers like they're pulling
him out of the hotel. You do, you got to
get out of here because you're gonna be stuck. Well,
they left in such a hurry that they left their
bus mat that they had laid out on the ground.
That was their bus mat. And uh, he stung that thing.
And my sweet mom got out in that rain and
put this thing in a garbage sack, threw it in

(01:02:51):
the trunk and cleaned it off the next day. And
then until I left for Berkeley. First thing my feet
would hit every morning with this rug every morning, the cooling.
Here's the full circle part of this. Uh and uh.
The full circle part is Marty's getting inducted into the
Country Music Hall of Fame. And they call me and say,

(01:03:12):
would you like to play the guitar solo to tempt it.
It's gonna be one of the three songs. It's gonna
be one of the three songs they play to induct him.
Amy Lou Harris is gonna sing it, and we want
you to play the soul And I said, I got
one yes, but I have one question. Can I bring
a little square of carpet and stand on it. And
so I stood on this rug and there's Marty getting inducted,
and I played the solo standing on that rug, and

(01:03:34):
somewhere deep in my heart, man ten year old me,
just like you know, just transcend.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
It a beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Story, that awesome and it's such a Marty thing because
you know, he collects all this stuff and like this
was me kind of trying to be a little like him,
like holding on. I also have roy A Cuff's last
tube of polygrip, which is another story.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Dude, did you I I just want to ask one
more question, like and I asked this to people from
time to time, but like walking through the woods when
you were little with a with a walkman on and
and and and listening to these songs and listening to Marty,
and like, did you see this for yourself?

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
You know what I really did? And I saw it
in an almost in a way more clearly than I'm
able to see it now, because all I saw was
the truest part of it, which was this is what
God put me on this earth to do. I cannot
deny it. I can just trust it and believe that

(01:04:39):
it will be true in the way that I feel
the Bible talks about, you know, getting into heaven like
with the heart of a child. You know, I didn't
have the whole part of it where it's like, well
i'm gonna have to get a pub dealer, I won't
have to get you know, or like I got to
compare myself to the It was just like, man, this
is what I'm supposed to do. I got and I'm
gonna and I'll figure it out. And so I saw

(01:05:00):
it in that sense, but I didn't, you know, I
didn't know how I was gonna do it or even
think about how. I just thought, well, this is what
I gotta do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
That's what you're doing. Look at us, do it right
now with that freaking yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Well, here we go in And you know, when I
was thinking about how it's the greatest, it's it ain't
like a house that built me kind of great. But man,
when you're nine years old and you're in Mississippi you
got that perfect guitar size stick in your hands and
your phone headphones, it's such a pro This is the
greatest country song of all time. Charlie Worsham was grave

(01:05:36):
right right here, grave grab right, grab all right there's
a girl trying to steal my heart. I'm tempted. Come on, man,
he even though she could tear it apart, I'm tempted.

(01:05:58):
In the rise, there is miss story. Every time she
smiles at me, I know how it could be, and
I'm tempted. Here's that cool guitar part. Each time she

(01:06:18):
looks my way. I'm tempted just a little more. Every day,
I'm tempting. It's so hard to resist the thought of
her SWEEKINSS can't take much more of this. I'm tempting,

(01:06:46):
tempted and try deep down answer. I can't din know.
I'm tempted. Here's that great Richard Bennet guitar solo. Ever

(01:07:32):
since she cold my eye, I am tempted. Just one look
and you'll know why. I am tempted.

Speaker 6 (01:07:47):
It from burned by the flame.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
There's no one but in me to blame. Oh, I
can't believe I forgot to refrain. I'm tempted, tempted and
try deep down inside I Candy Night. I'm tempted one

(01:08:14):
more time, tempted.

Speaker 7 (01:08:18):
In try.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Deep down inside Candy Night. I'm tempted. I'm tempted. I'm tempted.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Gosh, man, thank you spiritual. I'm tempted to just uh
keep on going.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Please.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Yeah, let's let's go. You're going first, you get this
one last. Yeah, I'll get last chance. And yeah. Well
now you.

Speaker 10 (01:09:03):
Gotten my number, you gotten my name.

Speaker 6 (01:09:13):
Why don't you call me be alive Jane?

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Come on man next verse ever?

Speaker 10 (01:09:24):
Ye, well you got that body, you got that friend,
So why don't you call me the live Jane?

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
You're like God, it bad for you. There ain't nothing
I won't do. Just won't kids? Sit down? Lever be
the same little live thing?

Speaker 7 (01:10:05):
Is this Keith?

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Letle lout to change you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Little beat you meddling?

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Well.

Speaker 5 (01:10:15):
She was standing at the front porch when I got
home last night.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
A good book in left hand and on rolling pin
on the right. She said, you come here, boy and
for the last time live on your bread, going on
listen to my preaching. Boy or I tried to beat.

Speaker 6 (01:10:36):
You half day half Come on, give me just one
more last chance.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Before we say with through.

Speaker 5 (01:10:46):
I know you'll try, crazy baby, It's the best that
I can do.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
I'm just a good old boy making noise. I ain't
running around on you. Give me just one lord, last chance? Boys,
same go, Charlie, just go for a second, Charlie.

Speaker 7 (01:11:06):
Worship everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Are you in the mouth? Geez? How longs?

Speaker 7 (01:11:36):
There we go?

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Whenever I'm let me do that that deserves better, here
we go. Whenever I'm feeling.

Speaker 8 (01:11:47):
Lonely, Whenever I'm feeling blue, start thinking about my blue darling.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
I'm sorry, my heart starts pining for you. I want
to hear that sound because my.

Speaker 11 (01:12:11):
Sweet baby around this guy, My damn, I want to
hear that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:32):
God Man, that was kind of an honor for me
to just trying to hang in there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Hey man, this has been an honor for me getting
to hang with you guys. I love this show. I
love what y'all doing. I feel like it's such a
great window. I've believed for a while now that Nashville
deserves a late show of its own, you know, because
I think back in the ninties like tn N and
stuff that kind of exists a little bit, and uh man,
this is kind of the closest thing we got to that.

(01:13:04):
Thank you for saying that if y'all need a band,
you know you probably fit one back. Oh yeah, we
moved some turkeys. Which you need is to have the
band all mounted coming around the wall. The only I'm
having a band is if you're in it, I'll be
in it. Man, you're in enough bands the year.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
Probably Charlie Worsham is awesomes a new record.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Call it's funny you say that. I've been thinking for
a long time. I want to call the record once
upon a Second time around. But it's a long title
for a record, so so stay tuned. Maybe it'll be
something else. There were a few long titles. There's a couple, yeah,
and there's some great outside songs on it. I'm so
excited for the world to hear it for that reason. Uh.
There's one there called good Hurt. It's fifteen year old

(01:13:49):
Walker Hay song. Really he wrote it fifteen years ago.
I think Keith Urban almost cut it. It's tough, man,
it ended up, you know, like house that built me,
you know, just sometimes they got to find their homes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Well, it's great. Thank you for coming on, man, Thank you. Absolutely.
We got a little present for you here.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Oh nice, Come on, these boots, these boots.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Check them out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Stephen Wilson Junior said, once you put on a pair
of to covids, they took took over your.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Feet to cover your feet. That was yeah, man, hey,
thank you for coming on. Man, thanks for hanging out
with us.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
I got to show the camera pro.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
This is pro? What is that?

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
What is that right there there of a yeah, Oh
my god, I gotta go downtown now find that bootstore.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Just walk in there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
People going to see me in the car and traffic today. Lord,
thank y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Charlie, You're a legend. Dude.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
You're a legend, man, and we appreciate you coming hanging
out with us, my pleasure.

Speaker 4 (01:14:48):
Can I ask you one thing right, real, real quick?
How does it feel to know that, for the rest
of your existence and even after it, you're an integral, integral,
integral thread of music coming out of this town.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Man, It's it's a dream come true. And you know, man,
I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but I
will say that moment of winning that CMA like locked
that feeling in for me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
And it was just this overwhelming gratitude because man, the
grace I have received all these years, that the wisdom
I have gained from just being in the room with
so many people, heroes that have become friends and colleagues,
And it's and talking about that. You know, did I
see this? I think that's the way I saw it

(01:15:36):
as a kid. It was like I just want to
be a part of this, you know, like this rug.
It's like I just want to be this that little
stray strand of you know that already cut off of there,
that's hanging on to that rug. That's kind of how
I feel like. But I get to be a part
of something that cool. It's crazy, man. I know you
guys feel it too. It's it's really, I think a
big reason why people who end up here for a
long time end up here for a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Charlie Worson, Charlie Worston, so great man, So come back, hey,
tribal worse from everybody? When's the record come out?

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
As soon as I figure out who's gonna help me
put it out, here we go. But I'm teaching it
on socials, So follow me on the socials. I'll give
you a taste of it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Awesome, man, Hey, thank y'all for you got something to say.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
I was gonna say, wrap my porch around you gotta
check that's.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Oh yeah, that's it. That's you and me and a
fixer up and come on here and or hell and
then the yard.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Hey thanks up. God's she will check you out next time. Peace,