April 14, 2022 • 46 mins
On today's episode of Good Friend, Jamie has a funny and warm conversation with her friend, Diana Walker. Diana and Jamie share a love of photography, and Diana is a professional with a storied career. Tune in to hear about how they met, Diana's views on friendship, and join in on the debate over a certain roll of film.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
If something unallogative. I'm a good friend native. Hi everybody,
it's Jamie Lee Curtis and you're listening to the Good
Friend Podcast, presented to you by my Heart Radio. It's
a podcast about friendship. We talk about everything, We cry,
(00:24):
we laugh, we think about what it really means to
be a good friend. And I have conversations with some
of my best friends, some people I've never met, and
sort of everything in between. So I hope by the
end of it that you have a really good sense
(00:47):
of what friendship means to me and the people that
I consider friends. And I hope you can take those
same ideas into your own friendship groups, and I hope
you enjoy it. I don't know. I analogative and a
good friend. Welcome to the good Friend Podcast. My good
(01:09):
with a capital G, two big ohs, and a capital
D for Diana. UM, my good friend Diana Walker, who
is graciously agreed to let me taunt her on national podcast.
It's hard having such a young friend. Hello, Diana, Welcome
(01:35):
to our conversation. Oh, thank you, Jamie. I'm very happy
to be here. Yes, Um, for the uninitiated listener, I
am going to just set this stage a tiny bit, UM.
My guest, Diana Walker is a world famous, many award
(01:56):
winning photo journalist who has run backwards with long lenses
UM while President's Jog for over thirty years covering the
White House for Time magazine. She has many Time covers
to her credit. She UM is particularly well known for
(02:19):
her behind the scenes work, very quietly with her like
a M six camera, and Um has earned not only
the respect of her colleagues and her subjects, but has
has proven such trustworthiness that so many request her to
(02:45):
be the photographer to get the behind the scenes UM,
which is I think tells you everything about my guest.
She is that person. UM. And here's how we met,
which is so wonderful. We both happened to love nature,
and we both happened to have the privilege of having
(03:05):
homes outside of our main homes in the mountains. And
uh we my husband and I went to a nature
conservancy or a wild what was it nature conservancy? Diana uh,
Wilderness Society the Wilder Okay see the Wilderness Society of
(03:25):
fundraiser UM which Diana and her husband Mallory had been
kind enough to offer their home to host it. And
Christopher and I arrived We didn't know the walkers. We arrived,
you know, uh, it was outside party. But I found
myself immediately staring at the photography inside of their home.
(03:47):
And there were particular pictures above the fireplace, um by
a nature photographer who shot pictures of animals at night.
And I stood there looking at them, and this woman
walked up and said, oh, do you like those? And
I was like, yeah, how how when were those done?
Do you remember what year or approximately what year those
(04:10):
photographs were taken? Eight? Yes, eight ninety four. They were
very old and they're spectacular, and um, you know, we
talked about them, and then you know, there was the
fundraiser part and then we left. And I ended up
going that next day to a slide show that she
(04:32):
was doing about her work as a photojournalist. And I
sat in the front row, and I believe I asked
many many questions. I'm curious about lenses and all sorts
of technical things. I am a photographer, like to pretend
to be one. Then, you know, left thanked her again
for that. And when I was making True Lies and
(04:53):
I was in Washington, t c. And my daughter and
her nanny, Laurel, came to visit it was Laurel's thirtieth birthday,
and we arranged a White House tour and so Annie,
Laurel and I went to President Clinton was in the
White House. We got to visit with him, which was
very sweet. And as we were being escorted out on
(05:17):
a little bit of a tour, we passed the press
room and as we passed it, I got about fifteen
ft past it, and all of a sudden I heard
in the background, hey, you, And I turned around and
it was Diana Walker. And in that moment, she literally
(05:44):
took me under her wing and not only took my
daughter and I out that weekend, but then had me
over as a social friend and introduced me to her friends,
and it began a lifelong friendship that we have been
best friends since. You know, I don't like to interrupt you,
(06:05):
but you are leaving out a very important um part
of our meeting, because one would wonder why I wanted
to continue knowing you. You were standing in front of
all of those pictures taken in eight and you turned
to me and you said, did you take them? Still?
(06:33):
It is a surprise that I yelled at her from
the press room, but she did look familiar and I
thought we might have known each other sometime in the mountains.
So there we met. We met in Washington, d C.
We met at the White House, and you know, I
was there by myself, without my family, UM, very separated. UH.
(06:57):
I had left my daughter at home, she was in school.
I felt very conflicted. I was lonely. I didn't really
have any friends on the movie, and this woman showed
up in my life. And what then happened, as happens
in friendships, is that you start to peel the onion
of uh what it looks like, and then you just
(07:19):
find more and more um depth and strength of flavor
and vision. And Diana is raised on the East Coast um,
and I like to refer to her as being somebody
who was raised well, raised well, had um exposure to
(07:43):
a cultural life uh and intellectual life UM. And I
felt very interested in her life. And so I want
to start, Diana by asking you about your early friendships.
You went to a girls school, correct, Yes, I did,
called the Potomac School and Washington, DC for grades one
(08:06):
through nine, and the Fox Cross School, a boarding school
in the hills of Virginia. And at that my experience
with you are certainly knowing you, Um, you made good
friends there, Yeah, I certainly did. What was the draw?
What were the friends? What was the connective tissue besides
(08:30):
just being, you know, a bunch of girls living together
in this in the school. I think the connective tissue
was in those days, we were at a boarding school,
um where you weren't let out very often, and we
felt we were suffering together, that we had to stay
(08:51):
on campus all weekend and that kind of thing, and
so we were all miserable together. I think that was
the connective tissue. But I have found through my adult
life that every time I have had the opportunity to
be with one of the people I knew, I have
(09:15):
enjoyed them enormously. And part of that, I think is
sharing the experience that we both had at this oh what,
in my view now is a wonderful boarding school in
the hills of Virginia. But back then it was a
long way from New York City or Los Angeles or
(09:36):
wherever the students came from, and we had to stay
on campus all the time, and it was pretty strict
um and you started to take pictures there. I actually
started at the Potomac School when I was much younger,
and I took such awful pictures that I look at
the yearbook pictures now and I think, oh, how did
(09:59):
they let do that? Um, they're just terrible. And I
saw I started there and one of the reasons I
chose Fox Grow to go to was they had a
great dark room. And when I toured the school among
uh other boarding schools in New England, um, I was
(10:20):
sold right away. There was this beautiful dark room with
not not being used very much, and I thought, this
is great and it was, and I took lots and
lots of pictures. I got better at taking pictures, thank god.
But um, yes, that's where I really started to take pictures.
(10:46):
A good friend. We'll be right back with more good
friend after this quick break, So stick around, friend, don't
no idea. Obviously, I know a lot about your life.
(11:06):
Um uh, you know a lot about my life. And
you know, as friends, we have shared a lot of
our histories and um, you know, the thing that has
always been interesting to me is you as a young
mother and wife. Um in Washington, d C. Your mother
(11:29):
owned a dress shop. You had one particular girlfriend, the
woman I'd like you to talk about, who you both
had kids, at the same time, and it has always
been such an example to me you, by the way,
or an example of a good friend. Diana Walker is
a great friend. Diana Walker loves her friends and has
(11:52):
them all over the world, and it's just a testament
to the type of person you are and the respect
that you give your friends. But I also interested in, like,
where did that sort of come from? So, um, the
particularly that early part of your life. Can you talk
(12:14):
a little bit about that, you know, I'm not sure
where it came from. Um. My father had very few,
but very strong friends. He was a doctor and was
kind of busy all the time, but he had one
particular friend whom he spoke to every day, and it
(12:36):
was a wonderful, humorous, warm, fabulous friendship. And maybe I
learned a little bit about it from him because that
man had some terrifically difficult um things happened to him
in his life, and my father never left his side.
(12:57):
He always said, he is my friend, and I will
help him through this terrible time. You know. I was
obviously I knew you were going to call and talk
about friendship, and I thought to myself, how do I
really feel about my friends? Um, You're very generous to
(13:19):
say I have lots of them. I wouldn't say that,
but the friends I have, UM, I care very very
much about. And I wrote down something that I've always remembered, UM,
that was written by E. M. Forster. And I don't
(13:42):
know if I wrote it down. No, I don't think
I did. UM, But I'm going to paraphrase it for you.
And it it is if I had to choose between
betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I
should have the u to betray my country, and I
(14:04):
believe that very strongly. Um. And I'll go. I'll go
wherever I have to go with my friends because they
mean a great deal to me, and I will protect them,
I will be loyal to them, and I'll always be there, Uh,
(14:27):
you know, behind the cameras somewhere hiding in the in
the pool of pap Rozzi when Jamie Lee Curtis goes by. Yeah, Um,
that made me very teary. You know. It's you and
I have talked a lot about the imprint of our
parents and the imprint of parents on children per se,
(14:52):
and how do you individuate, how do you become your
own person? Have your own mind, your own ideas, not
just becoming sort of cookie cutter of your family and
yet at the same time really respect the great aspects
(15:13):
of them that you take in and metabolize into your
own being. And that's a great example, just a beautiful
example to say, this is what my father did. And
I know I saw that and recognized that as a
(15:34):
part of human connection. That is something I want to
carry forward. Yes, you and I spoke about the book
I had just finished reading the other day, um, which
was another English novel called Howard's End, And in in
(15:57):
it there towards the end of the book, Um, you
quoted and wrote to me what it was about the
book that you remember, and which was stunning to me
that you could just pick it up out of your
(16:18):
head back there somewhere all about connection, it says, and
I quote, only connect. Only connect the pros and the passion,
and both will be exalted, and human love will be
seen at its height. Live in fragments no longer, Only connect,
(16:42):
and the beast and the monk, robbed of the isolation
that is life to either will die. Only connect. It
is the purpose of our lives. Well, it's very exciting
when when you connect. You know, it happens at different
times in different places. I remember when I was in
(17:05):
boarding school, I was riding a horse around the inside
of a riding rate because m Foxcroke was known for
its riding teaching, and it didn't interest me at all.
The dark room interested in me, but I still had
to take one semester of riding horseback, if you can imagine.
(17:27):
And I was going around following the leader board, absolutely
out of my mind when all of a sudden, this
classmate of mine I had hardly known because we were
both new girls that year and we just really didn't
know each other, And all of a sudden Brooks said,
God damn it, I hate to ride, and I said,
(17:52):
Holy Moly, so do I and the two of us
that was the beginning of a wonderful friendship went on
for years. You know, you it It sometimes takes something
you hate. Um, it's sometimes it's a mutual love of something, uh,
(18:13):
and you're the only other person who loves it. So
many friends. UM. My husband was on this very podcast
and David nick turn his best friend from childhood, and
what they talked about was the connection through music that
they both loved bluegrass music, and at the time it
(18:35):
was a sort of arcane form of music that was
not part of the folk scene. It was not rock
and roll. It was bluegrass. And that was their connect
the dot it. It brought them very close and then
through the activity of playing the music together, that cemented
(18:56):
that beginning relationship for them. It has carried on obviously
many many many years. You and I have that same
thing with photography, with cameras. Um, Diana, as I said,
is a professional photographer. Let's just say the word professional. Um,
I am an amateur photographer. I take a good picture.
(19:19):
I'm not gonna say I'm a you know, shite photographer.
I'm I can compose a beautiful image and expose it
correctly and all the rest of it. Blah blah blah. Yeah,
you're not kidding, It's true. Yeah, I know. But at
the same time, I am not a professional photographer and
you are. But Diana, as I mentioned, uses an older
(19:42):
but not obviously exclusively but primarily used a La M six,
which is a beautiful camera film camera. Uh. And it
it require is all manual settings. You're setting everything. There's
(20:05):
nothing automatic about it at all. And I got Alika
because I watched as our friendship grew, I watched her
use it, and she would. One of the great things
of having a photojournalist as a best friend is whenever
they show up, as Diana said, she hid behind her
(20:29):
camera and I'm gonna explore that with you in a minute.
So don't think I'm letting you off the hook with
that one, lady. But there is a great ease because
if you have a best friend who's a photo journalist,
they're that camera is it is a part of them.
(20:51):
That camera is never not around her neck. And therefore,
if she comes over and the kids are playing in
the backyard, Diana nature as a photojournalist is going to
pull that camera up and start taking pictures and then
lo and behold. You know, a week later, an envelope
shows up and you're like, oh my goodness, because these
(21:14):
amazing images show up. Um. And so yes, uh, I
had the experience of witnessing you with your likea and
then I got a like a and then it became
a like a like a conversation between the two of us,
and had that has remained solid for all these years
that we've known each other. Now, yes, it did becomes solid. Um,
(21:39):
But of course sometimes I didn't like it when your
picture when we both were standing there in an alley
taking pictures, and yours turned out much better than mine.
We had an incident outside Buckingham Palace in uh in
the nineties sometime um when Jamie was with her family
(22:06):
outside Buckingham Palace and I was with her, and along
came a wheelchair with this absolutely lovely elderly lady and
gonna stop you. I'm going to stop you one second.
I'm just going to set the stage. Sorry to interrupt.
I was raised better than to just sort of jump in,
but I'm going to stop you for ten seconds. It
(22:28):
was v E Day in London. We were making the
sequel to a fish called Wanda. Um Uh. It was
V Day and we went with my neighbors, the Morrises,
and Diana was visiting and we all went to bucking
(22:51):
And Palace along with five million other people. So it
wasn't just you know, a stroll. We were in a
mob of people on V Day, um going to bucking
In Palace And it was a big v E Day?
Was it the four manniversariss It was a big fift
(23:14):
It was the fiftieth anniversary of v E Day. And
it was packed, and Diana and I both had our
like a M six is and then this woman was
wheeled forward holding a flag. I believe now Diana can
(23:35):
continue her story. And I don't know what had happened
to Jamie's camera. I think maybe it had no more
film in it or something. And I was taking pictures
of this wonderful lady. She really encapsulated the whole whole
wonderful celebration, um, mostly because we knew she'd been there,
(23:58):
and she was she was absolutely lovely, and all of
a sudden, Jamie came and said, give me, give me,
give me, give me camera. Oh my gosh. So I
gave you the camera and you stood there and you
shot three or four pictures. Gave me my camera back.
(24:19):
So then I continue taking pictures. Okay, weeks later I
processed the contacts or and there are these pictures of
this um lady. And I thought the beginning pictures were
pretty good. Then I thought the next kind of pictures
(24:40):
along the line were really good, and then I thought, well,
they're not so good here at the end, and so um,
I thought, well, Jamie began, I'm in the middle and
she's at the end. Well, of course, when she saw
the contact, she said, Uh, Diana, you were at the start.
(25:01):
I was in the middle, and you were at the end.
And she has claimed that over the years that she
took the best pictures on that role. And now here
we are on national podcast, we have a listener. We
are friendly with that listener. So there is at least
(25:22):
one person. So here we are who took the picture? Diana?
I did, and I've left it in my will and
I've I've written all over it saying do not let
her claim this picture. I took it. I took it.
I took it. Okay, Well, there you go. That's called
(25:46):
a good friend. That's good friends are all about, right,
they have good friends, have harmony, rap poor, empathy, generosity, generosity, tolerance, tolerance.
Here that word good friends are tolerant of one another, unselfishness, affinity, comradeship,
(26:14):
and even the word philanthropy comes into the dictionaries. Uh,
what do you call it? A description of good transcription
of of friendship something. We'll be right back with more
good friend after this quick break. So I want to
(26:45):
go back for a moment with you because we're going
to discuss philanthropy in a minute. Um, I do want
to go back to the where I was earlier, which
is you're a young married woman, you have one young
child filed another on the way, your mother owns this
dress shop, you worked with your mother, and you made
(27:06):
this friend with this woman. Can you talk about that
early because since I've known you, you have mentioned that
as being such a significant friend. And I think my listener,
even though we don't know who they are, because my
heart won't tell me, I believe they are a woman
(27:28):
with children. I believe somebody is listening to this as
their ironing in their house, honestly, and I and I
really have always felt, um, very taken by that early
part of your life. Well, I I will abbreviate it um,
(27:50):
just because you didn't ask me to be on for
an hour, but um, yes I did. I met this
um uh, this wonderful woman early in my marriage, and
the coincidence when we met, we couldn't quite get over. Um.
(28:10):
First of all, um, she when I worked in New
York for Vogue magazine before I got married, I used
to have to take some time on what we call
the model desk, and it was a direct line to
Irving Pen and to Bert Stern and to Horst, three
marvelous major fashion photographers of the twentieth century, and we
(28:37):
had a direct line to their offices to book models
and book them for a shoot of new fashions for
the next issue. And UH. I were used to call
Bert Stern studio and I had a particularly fun time
(28:57):
talking to this woman on the end of the phone,
called Ale, and she was very funny about Bert and
the models and the whole thing, and we used to
get a great kick out of it talking to each other. Okay,
fast forward a couple of years. I've been married a
year and I meet Gail in Washington who has uh.
(29:19):
Two years later, we both have little babies. She has
a girl and I have a boy, and they're tiny.
And um. I said to to Gail, how long have
you lived in Washington And she said, oh, only since
I was married. And I said when was that and
she said September eight, two years ago. And I said, oh,
(29:45):
that's funny. That's the same day we got married. And
you had a baby two and a half years later,
and I had a baby two and a half years later.
I mean, this is weird. And it was weird. And
so fast forward to abudding wonderful friendship with Gail and
(30:08):
her husband in there too too, ultimately two children, just
as we had two children. And um, Gail said to
me one day, Um, you love taking pictures, don't you.
And I said, yes, I really do. I really love it.
And she said, why are you working in your mother's
(30:30):
dress shop and not taking pictures? And I said, well,
the shops there, Um, it's fun. Um. She said, Diana,
your mother is really good at it. She doesn't need you,
(30:51):
and you don't need the shop. And she said, go
take pictures. That should be your life's work. That's what
you should do. And I said, oh, Gail, that's a
wonderful idea. But how in the world would I start.
I I just I don't have the imagination. I don't
have h I've never taken a course in photography. I've
(31:14):
never worked on a small newspaper. I mean, I don't
know where to go and where to start. When I
got a lovely husband, in a very nice home and
two children, and she said I'll go into business with you.
And I said, you know what, and she said yes,
Because at Bert Stern I had to help Bert and
(31:38):
I was what they call in a studio a stylist.
I was a person who got the model dressed and
got the right shoes on her and the right jewelry,
made sure her hair was combed, and put her out
in front of Bert in the studio. I'll do that
for you. So if we go on a shoot to
take pictures of some one who needs a book jacket taken,
(32:02):
I'll make sure that his jacket is buttoned properly and
his tires straight, and I'll do the books. I'll I'll
send the bills out. And I said, you are telling
me that you are going to do this for me
so I can start taking pictures. And she said, yes,
(32:25):
that's what you call friendship. I think you call a
good friend. And what I'm going to do without betraying anything,
because of course I am a very close friend of
yours and I know a lot is that it was
not an easy time for you, that you were having
(32:45):
a hard time, and you, in your very sweet way
of wanting to focus it on her. Um, I didn't
mention that, and it's important, I think from my listener,
because that was a lifeline for you. She was saying,
(33:13):
I'm here, I love you, I see you. I want
to help you. I am your friend, so let's get
you taken pictures and I'll take care of all the details.
And it began. It got you out of a hard time,
(33:40):
and it gave you now a real purpose as a
professional photographer. That now, of course, all these years later,
we all want to thank her. But the reason I
brought up that story or wanting you to touch on
that story, is that is friendship. You don't get that
(34:03):
often from your family. You don't get it from your
mother and father. They have their plans for you, they
have their needs of you. You very rarely get it
from your spouse because they're also wanting you to be
doing the things that helped do the things that keep
(34:23):
them doing what they do. You can't get it from
your children because they want you, you know, because you're
their mama, and and of course that's their job. But
you see, it came from a friend. And this is
a show called good friend. It is a show about
(34:45):
what does that mean? How is that articulated and metabolized
into us? And that is the best example of a
good friend, Diana Walker, that I know of. Now, we
all have friends who suit up, show up for us
through hard times. All of it. You know, Um, my
friend Debbie Oppenheimer was on this show, you know, sweet
(35:08):
deb and she told the story of the day Janet died,
that she happened to call the house and Chris had
told her, and that she drove over to Janet's house
because she knew where it was and just you know,
basically walked in and I was up in the room
with mom mhm, and I remember the Debbie just walked
(35:32):
in and stood there and held my hand, and I
remember looking over and there she was. We didn't say anything,
We just stood there in the moment. And you are
that friend to me over and over and over and
over again. And I believe I am that friend to
(35:53):
you over and over again. Most certainly are. But that's friendship.
That's what it means. That's all of the words you
used that you, of course, being well raised and well prepared,
had a list of them that you had printed, um,
(36:14):
which I do love you for because you're that person. Um.
But you know, those are the words of friendship. It's
those are the words of this show. This show doesn't
exist without the story of that experience in your life
with Gail, and other people have different stories, but that
(36:35):
has always struck me in all the years I've known you,
because she saw something and knew something about you that
you couldn't see. And if that isn't the best description
of what a friend does for you, um, then I'm
not sure what is. And um uh so I appreciate
you telling that story. I know you probably were like,
(36:57):
why is she telling wanting me to tell this story? Um?
Now the other that's the thing that's lovely in a
friendship is when your family all becomes friends. And and
I know a friend whose family has become great friends
with my friend. And it's been wonderful, really, because I
(37:22):
watched this friend of mine, um, and I've watched her
get to know my two families, my two sons families,
and I've watched her gain their trust and their love.
(37:42):
And I remember the first day when I saw one
of my sons sending me emails, sending me an email,
a copy to my husband, a copy to his wife,
and a copy to my friend who had become his friend.
(38:04):
And I bet you can guess who that is, or
was you listeners out there, It was Jamie. And Jamie
became that kind of a friend somebody who you know,
I look at these things I wrote down, and I
(38:25):
look at the I look at the words, and I
realized that she is the friend who creates enduring affection.
They have for her enduring esteem, and they all have
(38:45):
a certain collegial intimacy, and they all have trust and
those things. I know that when I leave the planet
that my friend my friend. And I'm sitting here talking
about friendship with I know, but my friend is going
(39:07):
to be that kind of a friend to my two sons,
their children and on it will go. Really, and my
friend Diana was at my daughter's wedding, and not many
people that were close to me were at my daughter's
wedding because it was her wedding, not mine. By the way,
(39:28):
I had a wedding. Now you know I've and because
you are that important in our life, in our family,
I appreciate what you wrote, by the way, well well prepared,
lady um. And what's important about it is that there's
(39:49):
all of the words that you wrote that described friendship
could be said and are said about all of those
people in all of those relationships. The beauty of a
friendship is that it isn't isolated, that it is expansive
and reaches all sorts of people. And I have relationships
(40:13):
with all of your family, all of them, because they
are an extension of you. And that's why I feel
that way, and that I want to know them and
I want them to know me, even the youngests, even
(40:36):
the ones that I'm gonna now that I'm older and
I'm not seeing them as often I want. I am
the godmother of one of your god grandchildren. I relish
those relationships. And again, you and your husband are a
great example of that leadership in a family which allows
(40:58):
a lot of friends and a lot of um expansion.
And I I'm grateful to you. I learned it from you.
Philanthropy because you and your husband also are great friends
two institutions, two Art two as an example to others
(41:27):
that it's bigger than you and your family and your
human connections. It's about the expansion of the arts. And
if that isn't being a good friend, I mean, what
do you call people? We would say the friends of
the library, the friends of the museum. Well, you are
good friends for the Phillips Collection, you are good friends
(41:49):
in the National Gallery. You are good friends to the environment.
You are stewards of the environment that doesn't happen without
that friendship center that is in both you and your husband.
I mean, he's not here to defend himself but you.
(42:09):
But I also wouldn't exclude him in that conversation because
you are married, and you do that as a married
marital group. You are a married couple, and you together
are philanthropic, So I'm not gonna exclude him. But all
of that, Diana, comes from those deep, important, respectful things
(42:34):
that it makes me cry. It's the quote of your
dad that that's who you guys are. You will support
your friends above anything else. And I know you support
your country, and I know you both are politically minded
(42:55):
and generous and all the rest of it. But it's
your friendships and the way you are friends is an
extraordinary gift to the universe. And I am one of
the privileged people who um have have been in your sight,
(43:18):
in your sight, of your your eye and your heart
and your mind and your camera. Um you know you
that camera better be buried with you, you know people,
I mean that m six better you know be hung
around your neck, lady, because it has given my family
(43:42):
and so many friends of yours, Oh my goodness, me,
I can't even name them all. It has certainly been
a a a tool for you to be a friend
through your camera lens. And UM, I can't imagine a
better friend. I can't imagine a better person to be
(44:05):
on this as a representative of friendship than you, and
I love you very much. I love you, and thank
you very much. And UM for any for anybody listening,
anybody out there, find a friend like Diana and do
for your friend what Gail did for Diana. If you
(44:28):
see them struggling, if you see that they're having a
hard time, try to help direct them to something that
will lift them and get them out of the rut
that they're in, because you just don't know how much
(44:49):
that's going to expand into the universe the way it
did with Diana Walker and her friend Gail, and UM,
it's crucial. And if you take anything away from this podcast,
it's that. So thank you for listening. God bless you all,
stay safe. Thank you Diana Walker for being a guest
(45:09):
on the good Friend podcast. You are a good friend
and you are a good Friend. Good Friend is produced
by Dylan Fagin and is a production of My Heart Radio.
(45:32):
Our theme song, good Friend is written, produced and performed
by Emily King, Unallogative from a good Friend, don't already
(45:52):
Native from a good Friend. For more podcasts from my
heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple podcast,
or fert you listen to your favorite shows.
If something unallogative. I'm a good friend native. Hi everybody,
it's Jamie Lee Curtis and you're listening to the Good
Friend Podcast, presented to you by my Heart Radio. It's
a podcast about friendship. We talk about everything, We cry,
(00:24):
we laugh, we think about what it really means to
be a good friend. And I have conversations with some
of my best friends, some people I've never met, and
sort of everything in between. So I hope by the
end of it that you have a really good sense
(00:47):
of what friendship means to me and the people that
I consider friends. And I hope you can take those
same ideas into your own friendship groups, and I hope
you enjoy it. I don't know. I analogative and a
good friend. Welcome to the good Friend Podcast. My good
(01:09):
with a capital G, two big ohs, and a capital
D for Diana. UM, my good friend Diana Walker, who
is graciously agreed to let me taunt her on national podcast.
It's hard having such a young friend. Hello, Diana, Welcome
(01:35):
to our conversation. Oh, thank you, Jamie. I'm very happy
to be here. Yes, Um, for the uninitiated listener, I
am going to just set this stage a tiny bit, UM.
My guest, Diana Walker is a world famous, many award
(01:56):
winning photo journalist who has run backwards with long lenses
UM while President's Jog for over thirty years covering the
White House for Time magazine. She has many Time covers
to her credit. She UM is particularly well known for
(02:19):
her behind the scenes work, very quietly with her like
a M six camera, and Um has earned not only
the respect of her colleagues and her subjects, but has
has proven such trustworthiness that so many request her to
(02:45):
be the photographer to get the behind the scenes UM,
which is I think tells you everything about my guest.
She is that person. UM. And here's how we met,
which is so wonderful. We both happened to love nature,
and we both happened to have the privilege of having
(03:05):
homes outside of our main homes in the mountains. And
uh we my husband and I went to a nature
conservancy or a wild what was it nature conservancy? Diana uh,
Wilderness Society the Wilder Okay see the Wilderness Society of
(03:25):
fundraiser UM which Diana and her husband Mallory had been
kind enough to offer their home to host it. And
Christopher and I arrived We didn't know the walkers. We arrived,
you know, uh, it was outside party. But I found
myself immediately staring at the photography inside of their home.
(03:47):
And there were particular pictures above the fireplace, um by
a nature photographer who shot pictures of animals at night.
And I stood there looking at them, and this woman
walked up and said, oh, do you like those? And
I was like, yeah, how how when were those done?
Do you remember what year or approximately what year those
(04:10):
photographs were taken? Eight? Yes, eight ninety four. They were
very old and they're spectacular, and um, you know, we
talked about them, and then you know, there was the
fundraiser part and then we left. And I ended up
going that next day to a slide show that she
(04:32):
was doing about her work as a photojournalist. And I
sat in the front row, and I believe I asked
many many questions. I'm curious about lenses and all sorts
of technical things. I am a photographer, like to pretend
to be one. Then, you know, left thanked her again
for that. And when I was making True Lies and
(04:53):
I was in Washington, t c. And my daughter and
her nanny, Laurel, came to visit it was Laurel's thirtieth birthday,
and we arranged a White House tour and so Annie,
Laurel and I went to President Clinton was in the
White House. We got to visit with him, which was
very sweet. And as we were being escorted out on
(05:17):
a little bit of a tour, we passed the press
room and as we passed it, I got about fifteen
ft past it, and all of a sudden I heard
in the background, hey, you, And I turned around and
it was Diana Walker. And in that moment, she literally
(05:44):
took me under her wing and not only took my
daughter and I out that weekend, but then had me
over as a social friend and introduced me to her friends,
and it began a lifelong friendship that we have been
best friends since. You know, I don't like to interrupt you,
(06:05):
but you are leaving out a very important um part
of our meeting, because one would wonder why I wanted
to continue knowing you. You were standing in front of
all of those pictures taken in eight and you turned
to me and you said, did you take them? Still?
(06:33):
It is a surprise that I yelled at her from
the press room, but she did look familiar and I
thought we might have known each other sometime in the mountains.
So there we met. We met in Washington, d C.
We met at the White House, and you know, I
was there by myself, without my family, UM, very separated. UH.
(06:57):
I had left my daughter at home, she was in school.
I felt very conflicted. I was lonely. I didn't really
have any friends on the movie, and this woman showed
up in my life. And what then happened, as happens
in friendships, is that you start to peel the onion
of uh what it looks like, and then you just
(07:19):
find more and more um depth and strength of flavor
and vision. And Diana is raised on the East Coast um,
and I like to refer to her as being somebody
who was raised well, raised well, had um exposure to
(07:43):
a cultural life uh and intellectual life UM. And I
felt very interested in her life. And so I want
to start, Diana by asking you about your early friendships.
You went to a girls school, correct, Yes, I did,
called the Potomac School and Washington, DC for grades one
(08:06):
through nine, and the Fox Cross School, a boarding school
in the hills of Virginia. And at that my experience
with you are certainly knowing you, Um, you made good
friends there, Yeah, I certainly did. What was the draw?
What were the friends? What was the connective tissue besides
(08:30):
just being, you know, a bunch of girls living together
in this in the school. I think the connective tissue
was in those days, we were at a boarding school,
um where you weren't let out very often, and we
felt we were suffering together, that we had to stay
(08:51):
on campus all weekend and that kind of thing, and
so we were all miserable together. I think that was
the connective tissue. But I have found through my adult
life that every time I have had the opportunity to
be with one of the people I knew, I have
(09:15):
enjoyed them enormously. And part of that, I think is
sharing the experience that we both had at this oh what,
in my view now is a wonderful boarding school in
the hills of Virginia. But back then it was a
long way from New York City or Los Angeles or
(09:36):
wherever the students came from, and we had to stay
on campus all the time, and it was pretty strict
um and you started to take pictures there. I actually
started at the Potomac School when I was much younger,
and I took such awful pictures that I look at
the yearbook pictures now and I think, oh, how did
(09:59):
they let do that? Um, they're just terrible. And I
saw I started there and one of the reasons I
chose Fox Grow to go to was they had a
great dark room. And when I toured the school among
uh other boarding schools in New England, um, I was
(10:20):
sold right away. There was this beautiful dark room with
not not being used very much, and I thought, this
is great and it was, and I took lots and
lots of pictures. I got better at taking pictures, thank god.
But um, yes, that's where I really started to take pictures.
(10:46):
A good friend. We'll be right back with more good
friend after this quick break, So stick around, friend, don't
no idea. Obviously, I know a lot about your life.
(11:06):
Um uh, you know a lot about my life. And
you know, as friends, we have shared a lot of
our histories and um, you know, the thing that has
always been interesting to me is you as a young
mother and wife. Um in Washington, d C. Your mother
(11:29):
owned a dress shop. You had one particular girlfriend, the
woman I'd like you to talk about, who you both
had kids, at the same time, and it has always
been such an example to me you, by the way,
or an example of a good friend. Diana Walker is
a great friend. Diana Walker loves her friends and has
(11:52):
them all over the world, and it's just a testament
to the type of person you are and the respect
that you give your friends. But I also interested in, like,
where did that sort of come from? So, um, the
particularly that early part of your life. Can you talk
(12:14):
a little bit about that, you know, I'm not sure
where it came from. Um. My father had very few,
but very strong friends. He was a doctor and was
kind of busy all the time, but he had one
particular friend whom he spoke to every day, and it
(12:36):
was a wonderful, humorous, warm, fabulous friendship. And maybe I
learned a little bit about it from him because that
man had some terrifically difficult um things happened to him
in his life, and my father never left his side.
(12:57):
He always said, he is my friend, and I will
help him through this terrible time. You know. I was
obviously I knew you were going to call and talk
about friendship, and I thought to myself, how do I
really feel about my friends? Um, You're very generous to
(13:19):
say I have lots of them. I wouldn't say that,
but the friends I have, UM, I care very very
much about. And I wrote down something that I've always remembered, UM,
that was written by E. M. Forster. And I don't
(13:42):
know if I wrote it down. No, I don't think
I did. UM, But I'm going to paraphrase it for you.
And it it is if I had to choose between
betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I
should have the u to betray my country, and I
(14:04):
believe that very strongly. Um. And I'll go. I'll go
wherever I have to go with my friends because they
mean a great deal to me, and I will protect them,
I will be loyal to them, and I'll always be there, Uh,
(14:27):
you know, behind the cameras somewhere hiding in the in
the pool of pap Rozzi when Jamie Lee Curtis goes by. Yeah, Um,
that made me very teary. You know. It's you and
I have talked a lot about the imprint of our
parents and the imprint of parents on children per se,
(14:52):
and how do you individuate, how do you become your
own person? Have your own mind, your own ideas, not
just becoming sort of cookie cutter of your family and
yet at the same time really respect the great aspects
(15:13):
of them that you take in and metabolize into your
own being. And that's a great example, just a beautiful
example to say, this is what my father did. And
I know I saw that and recognized that as a
(15:34):
part of human connection. That is something I want to
carry forward. Yes, you and I spoke about the book
I had just finished reading the other day, um, which
was another English novel called Howard's End, And in in
(15:57):
it there towards the end of the book, Um, you
quoted and wrote to me what it was about the
book that you remember, and which was stunning to me
that you could just pick it up out of your
(16:18):
head back there somewhere all about connection, it says, and
I quote, only connect. Only connect the pros and the passion,
and both will be exalted, and human love will be
seen at its height. Live in fragments no longer, Only connect,
(16:42):
and the beast and the monk, robbed of the isolation
that is life to either will die. Only connect. It
is the purpose of our lives. Well, it's very exciting
when when you connect. You know, it happens at different
times in different places. I remember when I was in
(17:05):
boarding school, I was riding a horse around the inside
of a riding rate because m Foxcroke was known for
its riding teaching, and it didn't interest me at all.
The dark room interested in me, but I still had
to take one semester of riding horseback, if you can imagine.
(17:27):
And I was going around following the leader board, absolutely
out of my mind when all of a sudden, this
classmate of mine I had hardly known because we were
both new girls that year and we just really didn't
know each other, And all of a sudden Brooks said,
God damn it, I hate to ride, and I said,
(17:52):
Holy Moly, so do I and the two of us
that was the beginning of a wonderful friendship went on
for years. You know, you it It sometimes takes something
you hate. Um, it's sometimes it's a mutual love of something, uh,
(18:13):
and you're the only other person who loves it. So
many friends. UM. My husband was on this very podcast
and David nick turn his best friend from childhood, and
what they talked about was the connection through music that
they both loved bluegrass music, and at the time it
(18:35):
was a sort of arcane form of music that was
not part of the folk scene. It was not rock
and roll. It was bluegrass. And that was their connect
the dot it. It brought them very close and then
through the activity of playing the music together, that cemented
(18:56):
that beginning relationship for them. It has carried on obviously
many many many years. You and I have that same
thing with photography, with cameras. Um, Diana, as I said,
is a professional photographer. Let's just say the word professional. Um,
I am an amateur photographer. I take a good picture.
(19:19):
I'm not gonna say I'm a you know, shite photographer.
I'm I can compose a beautiful image and expose it
correctly and all the rest of it. Blah blah blah. Yeah,
you're not kidding, It's true. Yeah, I know. But at
the same time, I am not a professional photographer and
you are. But Diana, as I mentioned, uses an older
(19:42):
but not obviously exclusively but primarily used a La M six,
which is a beautiful camera film camera. Uh. And it
it require is all manual settings. You're setting everything. There's
(20:05):
nothing automatic about it at all. And I got Alika
because I watched as our friendship grew, I watched her
use it, and she would. One of the great things
of having a photojournalist as a best friend is whenever
they show up, as Diana said, she hid behind her
(20:29):
camera and I'm gonna explore that with you in a minute.
So don't think I'm letting you off the hook with
that one, lady. But there is a great ease because
if you have a best friend who's a photo journalist,
they're that camera is it is a part of them.
(20:51):
That camera is never not around her neck. And therefore,
if she comes over and the kids are playing in
the backyard, Diana nature as a photojournalist is going to
pull that camera up and start taking pictures and then
lo and behold. You know, a week later, an envelope
shows up and you're like, oh my goodness, because these
(21:14):
amazing images show up. Um. And so yes, uh, I
had the experience of witnessing you with your likea and
then I got a like a and then it became
a like a like a conversation between the two of us,
and had that has remained solid for all these years
that we've known each other. Now, yes, it did becomes solid. Um,
(21:39):
But of course sometimes I didn't like it when your
picture when we both were standing there in an alley
taking pictures, and yours turned out much better than mine.
We had an incident outside Buckingham Palace in uh in
the nineties sometime um when Jamie was with her family
(22:06):
outside Buckingham Palace and I was with her, and along
came a wheelchair with this absolutely lovely elderly lady and
gonna stop you. I'm going to stop you one second.
I'm just going to set the stage. Sorry to interrupt.
I was raised better than to just sort of jump in,
but I'm going to stop you for ten seconds. It
(22:28):
was v E Day in London. We were making the
sequel to a fish called Wanda. Um Uh. It was
V Day and we went with my neighbors, the Morrises,
and Diana was visiting and we all went to bucking
(22:51):
And Palace along with five million other people. So it
wasn't just you know, a stroll. We were in a
mob of people on V Day, um going to bucking
In Palace And it was a big v E Day?
Was it the four manniversariss It was a big fift
(23:14):
It was the fiftieth anniversary of v E Day. And
it was packed, and Diana and I both had our
like a M six is and then this woman was
wheeled forward holding a flag. I believe now Diana can
(23:35):
continue her story. And I don't know what had happened
to Jamie's camera. I think maybe it had no more
film in it or something. And I was taking pictures
of this wonderful lady. She really encapsulated the whole whole
wonderful celebration, um, mostly because we knew she'd been there,
(23:58):
and she was she was absolutely lovely, and all of
a sudden, Jamie came and said, give me, give me,
give me, give me camera. Oh my gosh. So I
gave you the camera and you stood there and you
shot three or four pictures. Gave me my camera back.
(24:19):
So then I continue taking pictures. Okay, weeks later I
processed the contacts or and there are these pictures of
this um lady. And I thought the beginning pictures were
pretty good. Then I thought the next kind of pictures
(24:40):
along the line were really good, and then I thought, well,
they're not so good here at the end, and so um,
I thought, well, Jamie began, I'm in the middle and
she's at the end. Well, of course, when she saw
the contact, she said, Uh, Diana, you were at the start.
(25:01):
I was in the middle, and you were at the end.
And she has claimed that over the years that she
took the best pictures on that role. And now here
we are on national podcast, we have a listener. We
are friendly with that listener. So there is at least
(25:22):
one person. So here we are who took the picture? Diana?
I did, and I've left it in my will and
I've I've written all over it saying do not let
her claim this picture. I took it. I took it.
I took it. Okay, Well, there you go. That's called
(25:46):
a good friend. That's good friends are all about, right,
they have good friends, have harmony, rap poor, empathy, generosity, generosity, tolerance, tolerance.
Here that word good friends are tolerant of one another, unselfishness, affinity, comradeship,
(26:14):
and even the word philanthropy comes into the dictionaries. Uh,
what do you call it? A description of good transcription
of of friendship something. We'll be right back with more
good friend after this quick break. So I want to
(26:45):
go back for a moment with you because we're going
to discuss philanthropy in a minute. Um, I do want
to go back to the where I was earlier, which
is you're a young married woman, you have one young
child filed another on the way, your mother owns this
dress shop, you worked with your mother, and you made
(27:06):
this friend with this woman. Can you talk about that
early because since I've known you, you have mentioned that
as being such a significant friend. And I think my listener,
even though we don't know who they are, because my
heart won't tell me, I believe they are a woman
(27:28):
with children. I believe somebody is listening to this as
their ironing in their house, honestly, and I and I
really have always felt, um, very taken by that early
part of your life. Well, I I will abbreviate it um,
(27:50):
just because you didn't ask me to be on for
an hour, but um, yes I did. I met this
um uh, this wonderful woman early in my marriage, and
the coincidence when we met, we couldn't quite get over. Um.
(28:10):
First of all, um, she when I worked in New
York for Vogue magazine before I got married, I used
to have to take some time on what we call
the model desk, and it was a direct line to
Irving Pen and to Bert Stern and to Horst, three
marvelous major fashion photographers of the twentieth century, and we
(28:37):
had a direct line to their offices to book models
and book them for a shoot of new fashions for
the next issue. And UH. I were used to call
Bert Stern studio and I had a particularly fun time
(28:57):
talking to this woman on the end of the phone,
called Ale, and she was very funny about Bert and
the models and the whole thing, and we used to
get a great kick out of it talking to each other. Okay,
fast forward a couple of years. I've been married a
year and I meet Gail in Washington who has uh.
(29:19):
Two years later, we both have little babies. She has
a girl and I have a boy, and they're tiny.
And um. I said to to Gail, how long have
you lived in Washington And she said, oh, only since
I was married. And I said when was that and
she said September eight, two years ago. And I said, oh,
(29:45):
that's funny. That's the same day we got married. And
you had a baby two and a half years later,
and I had a baby two and a half years later.
I mean, this is weird. And it was weird. And
so fast forward to abudding wonderful friendship with Gail and
(30:08):
her husband in there too too, ultimately two children, just
as we had two children. And um, Gail said to
me one day, Um, you love taking pictures, don't you.
And I said, yes, I really do. I really love it.
And she said, why are you working in your mother's
(30:30):
dress shop and not taking pictures? And I said, well,
the shops there, Um, it's fun. Um. She said, Diana,
your mother is really good at it. She doesn't need you,
(30:51):
and you don't need the shop. And she said, go
take pictures. That should be your life's work. That's what
you should do. And I said, oh, Gail, that's a
wonderful idea. But how in the world would I start.
I I just I don't have the imagination. I don't
have h I've never taken a course in photography. I've
(31:14):
never worked on a small newspaper. I mean, I don't
know where to go and where to start. When I
got a lovely husband, in a very nice home and
two children, and she said I'll go into business with you.
And I said, you know what, and she said yes,
Because at Bert Stern I had to help Bert and
(31:38):
I was what they call in a studio a stylist.
I was a person who got the model dressed and
got the right shoes on her and the right jewelry,
made sure her hair was combed, and put her out
in front of Bert in the studio. I'll do that
for you. So if we go on a shoot to
take pictures of some one who needs a book jacket taken,
(32:02):
I'll make sure that his jacket is buttoned properly and
his tires straight, and I'll do the books. I'll I'll
send the bills out. And I said, you are telling
me that you are going to do this for me
so I can start taking pictures. And she said, yes,
(32:25):
that's what you call friendship. I think you call a
good friend. And what I'm going to do without betraying anything,
because of course I am a very close friend of
yours and I know a lot is that it was
not an easy time for you, that you were having
(32:45):
a hard time, and you, in your very sweet way
of wanting to focus it on her. Um, I didn't
mention that, and it's important, I think from my listener,
because that was a lifeline for you. She was saying,
(33:13):
I'm here, I love you, I see you. I want
to help you. I am your friend, so let's get
you taken pictures and I'll take care of all the details.
And it began. It got you out of a hard time,
(33:40):
and it gave you now a real purpose as a
professional photographer. That now, of course, all these years later,
we all want to thank her. But the reason I
brought up that story or wanting you to touch on
that story, is that is friendship. You don't get that
(34:03):
often from your family. You don't get it from your
mother and father. They have their plans for you, they
have their needs of you. You very rarely get it
from your spouse because they're also wanting you to be
doing the things that helped do the things that keep
(34:23):
them doing what they do. You can't get it from
your children because they want you, you know, because you're
their mama, and and of course that's their job. But
you see, it came from a friend. And this is
a show called good friend. It is a show about
(34:45):
what does that mean? How is that articulated and metabolized
into us? And that is the best example of a
good friend, Diana Walker, that I know of. Now, we
all have friends who suit up, show up for us
through hard times. All of it. You know, Um, my
friend Debbie Oppenheimer was on this show, you know, sweet
(35:08):
deb and she told the story of the day Janet died,
that she happened to call the house and Chris had
told her, and that she drove over to Janet's house
because she knew where it was and just you know,
basically walked in and I was up in the room
with mom mhm, and I remember the Debbie just walked
(35:32):
in and stood there and held my hand, and I
remember looking over and there she was. We didn't say anything,
We just stood there in the moment. And you are
that friend to me over and over and over and
over again. And I believe I am that friend to
(35:53):
you over and over again. Most certainly are. But that's friendship.
That's what it means. That's all of the words you
used that you, of course, being well raised and well prepared,
had a list of them that you had printed, um,
(36:14):
which I do love you for because you're that person. Um.
But you know, those are the words of friendship. It's
those are the words of this show. This show doesn't
exist without the story of that experience in your life
with Gail, and other people have different stories, but that
(36:35):
has always struck me in all the years I've known you,
because she saw something and knew something about you that
you couldn't see. And if that isn't the best description
of what a friend does for you, um, then I'm
not sure what is. And um uh so I appreciate
you telling that story. I know you probably were like,
(36:57):
why is she telling wanting me to tell this story? Um?
Now the other that's the thing that's lovely in a
friendship is when your family all becomes friends. And and
I know a friend whose family has become great friends
with my friend. And it's been wonderful, really, because I
(37:22):
watched this friend of mine, um, and I've watched her
get to know my two families, my two sons families,
and I've watched her gain their trust and their love.
(37:42):
And I remember the first day when I saw one
of my sons sending me emails, sending me an email,
a copy to my husband, a copy to his wife,
and a copy to my friend who had become his friend.
(38:04):
And I bet you can guess who that is, or
was you listeners out there, It was Jamie. And Jamie
became that kind of a friend somebody who you know,
I look at these things I wrote down, and I
(38:25):
look at the I look at the words, and I
realized that she is the friend who creates enduring affection.
They have for her enduring esteem, and they all have
(38:45):
a certain collegial intimacy, and they all have trust and
those things. I know that when I leave the planet
that my friend my friend. And I'm sitting here talking
about friendship with I know, but my friend is going
(39:07):
to be that kind of a friend to my two sons,
their children and on it will go. Really, and my
friend Diana was at my daughter's wedding, and not many
people that were close to me were at my daughter's
wedding because it was her wedding, not mine. By the way,
(39:28):
I had a wedding. Now you know I've and because
you are that important in our life, in our family,
I appreciate what you wrote, by the way, well well prepared,
lady um. And what's important about it is that there's
(39:49):
all of the words that you wrote that described friendship
could be said and are said about all of those
people in all of those relationships. The beauty of a
friendship is that it isn't isolated, that it is expansive
and reaches all sorts of people. And I have relationships
(40:13):
with all of your family, all of them, because they
are an extension of you. And that's why I feel
that way, and that I want to know them and
I want them to know me, even the youngests, even
(40:36):
the ones that I'm gonna now that I'm older and
I'm not seeing them as often I want. I am
the godmother of one of your god grandchildren. I relish
those relationships. And again, you and your husband are a
great example of that leadership in a family which allows
(40:58):
a lot of friends and a lot of um expansion.
And I I'm grateful to you. I learned it from you.
Philanthropy because you and your husband also are great friends
two institutions, two Art two as an example to others
(41:27):
that it's bigger than you and your family and your
human connections. It's about the expansion of the arts. And
if that isn't being a good friend, I mean, what
do you call people? We would say the friends of
the library, the friends of the museum. Well, you are
good friends for the Phillips Collection, you are good friends
(41:49):
in the National Gallery. You are good friends to the environment.
You are stewards of the environment that doesn't happen without
that friendship center that is in both you and your husband.
I mean, he's not here to defend himself but you.
(42:09):
But I also wouldn't exclude him in that conversation because
you are married, and you do that as a married
marital group. You are a married couple, and you together
are philanthropic, So I'm not gonna exclude him. But all
of that, Diana, comes from those deep, important, respectful things
(42:34):
that it makes me cry. It's the quote of your
dad that that's who you guys are. You will support
your friends above anything else. And I know you support
your country, and I know you both are politically minded
(42:55):
and generous and all the rest of it. But it's
your friendships and the way you are friends is an
extraordinary gift to the universe. And I am one of
the privileged people who um have have been in your sight,
(43:18):
in your sight, of your your eye and your heart
and your mind and your camera. Um you know you
that camera better be buried with you, you know people,
I mean that m six better you know be hung
around your neck, lady, because it has given my family
(43:42):
and so many friends of yours, Oh my goodness, me,
I can't even name them all. It has certainly been
a a a tool for you to be a friend
through your camera lens. And UM, I can't imagine a
better friend. I can't imagine a better person to be
(44:05):
on this as a representative of friendship than you, and
I love you very much. I love you, and thank
you very much. And UM for any for anybody listening,
anybody out there, find a friend like Diana and do
for your friend what Gail did for Diana. If you
(44:28):
see them struggling, if you see that they're having a
hard time, try to help direct them to something that
will lift them and get them out of the rut
that they're in, because you just don't know how much
(44:49):
that's going to expand into the universe the way it
did with Diana Walker and her friend Gail, and UM,
it's crucial. And if you take anything away from this podcast,
it's that. So thank you for listening. God bless you all,
stay safe. Thank you Diana Walker for being a guest
(45:09):
on the good Friend podcast. You are a good friend
and you are a good Friend. Good Friend is produced
by Dylan Fagin and is a production of My Heart Radio.
(45:32):
Our theme song, good Friend is written, produced and performed
by Emily King, Unallogative from a good Friend, don't already
(45:52):
Native from a good Friend. For more podcasts from my
heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple podcast,
or fert you listen to your favorite shows.
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com