April 28, 2022 • 61 mins
This week, Jamie speaks with her longtime friend and author Lisa Birnbach. They discuss how they became pals over a handwritten note and how to be a long distance friend. Tune to discover the meaning of “friendship shoes.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If there's something I don't already, and I'll get it.
I'm a good friend. Hi everybody, it's Jamie Lee Curtis
and you're listening to The Good Friend Podcast, presented to
you by I Heart Radio. It's a podcast about friendship.
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We talk about everything, we cry, we laugh, we think
about what it really means to be a good friend.
And I have conversations with some of my best friends,
some people I've never met, and sort of everything in between.
So I hope by the end of it that you
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have a really good sense of what friendship means to
me and the people that I consider friends. And I
hope you can take those same ideas into your own
friendship groups. And I hope you enjoy it. I don't already.
And the audiat and the Good Friends, the Good Friend Podcast,
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the show you are listening to as we are speaking. UM,
tell me it's started already. Oh, it's started already, because
the whole idea here is the way conversations begin an end.
They don't have form and function, and so I like
I don't do a formal introduction. People have tuned in, Um,
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they have heard the fabulous theme song by Emily King.
We jump into conversations here because I think that's what
friends do. I think they jump into conversations. They do,
and sometimes it's a conversation that already started yesterday, an
hour ago, fourteen years ago. It depends exactly, and and
then you just pick up that thread and continue it.
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I also do like because of the technology we are
for the uninitialed ated audience member, our listeners. UM, My
guest today is Lisa Burnbach, a dear, dear, crazy, dear
friend of mine who also is a very talented journalist
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and podcaster herself, um with her five Things podcast. And
so she is an expert? Are you an expert? Just
so you now? And the reason your hostess and hero
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just snorted when she said expert, it's because is because
miss guest knows, or miss Curtis knows, that there are
certain things she can do to set me off, and
she likes to do it. It used to be in
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the eighties when we first got to be thick with
one another. Tote tote, would you like to bring a tote?
Did you tote that to my house? It got us going, yeah,
you know the funniest things. I mean, we have been friends,
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uh since nineteen I believe we met in nineteen eighty five, five,
six six, What year did you get married? Four? And
Annie was born in December of eighties six. Oh, no,
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we were friends. We had yes because yes, because somewhere
in amongst my horde of things, we could get into
that too. To your myrriad totes, I have too many totes,
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and I cannot say no to a tote. But we
met when Christopher, your husband, your new husband, was making
a movie in Paris, France, and my soon to be
fiance was a producer of that movie. We met there.
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It didn't take yet, but it took when you were
living in New York and making Blue Steel. Yes, and
so we met I think in eight five, but we
and we experienced a red together. Okay, that that was big.
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We had a big moment in Paris, and then we
got to know one another in New York. And Jamie
Lee did the greatest thing that any friend can do,
any nascent friend could do. She passed me a note
at a dinner party that she hosted in a restaurant,
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and it said something like, I want to be your friend.
Isn't that the sweetest thing ever? So here's what you
need to know. What you need to know is that
Lisa is funny, smart and wicked, smart and wicked, funny
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and snarky, and is a born and raised Upper East
Side Jewish girl from New York City, and I am
a born and raised daughter of Princhipessa from Los Angeles, California.
And the friendship that I was so excited that we
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were going to talk today about it, because it has
been a bicoastal sort of for the last part of
a bilateral friendship we have we have navigated and I
know we're not the only ones, and some of our
listeners are going to be nodding right now because we
made a friendship with the understanding that chances are that
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we would never live in the same city with each
other for any actual period of time. You want to
know something, I wasn't eat Lisa. I wasn't even thinking
that when it started. And I'll tell you why. Um uh.
At that point in my career and life, I was
open to everything. I was married to a guy in
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the movie business, so I didn't want to move to
Los Angeles, but there was a chance. But I didn't
think of us as never getting to see one another.
I thought of us as getting to see one another
as much as we could, and you know, frankly going
out to Los Angeles, which I used to do a lot,
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you were such a big part of the draw. You know,
there are places you can go, and there are other
places in the olden days and the good times that
you could do stuff through mail and phone calls and
old technologies like that, and are our patients was greater
because we all had more time. We didn't insist on
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getting the answer now you know, now no waiting now
there were you'd send out a message and you'd get
a return. So getting mail from you was always a
thrill still is of course, when you're old friends who
live far apart. You know each other's handwriting, so you go.
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In my case, I go to it right away, and um,
the whole I didn't in my mind it wasn't about
where you were, because we used to talk on the
phone all the time, right. But nonetheless, a lot of
friendships get built through the sort of Quotitian aspects of life.
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You have shared you have shared children, or shared interests,
your school together, you live in a neighborhood. Neighborhoods create friendships.
And here we were two women who fell madly in
friendship with each other from very different backgrounds um and
appreciated each other for those different backgrounds, but nonetheless we
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didn't really live where the other one lived. And because
of it, obviously, any time I would go to New
York City, the only person I would see officially would
be you. It would be I'm going there to do
for lack of a better thing than today, show for
a book, I've done whatever. I'm going there for a
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promotional tour. I don't I never, I don't think we ever.
I don't think Christopher and I ever one time said hey,
let's go to New York for like a week. I don't, well,
I mean, on some level, on our own time. But no,
you did well. No, you came to Sam's bar mitzvah. Okay,
but that's that's a very different Okay, that's a very
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different thing. And I didn't come two bocos bat mitzvah.
So I mean, it's it's it, it goes both ways.
I think my point is simply that you were my
destination resort New York City, and I was yours in
Los Angeles. Even if you were being brought out and
I it it makes those trips to New York and
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your trips to Los Angeles have that special intensity because
we would see each other and we have spoken a
lot to each other, but here we are now in
each other's presence well. And then in the days before
life more complicated, I would cancel anything I had to
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do and we would meet at your hotel early. You
were always there first, I mean, of course, in the lobby,
and then we go. We had we had places to go,
we had things to try on, we had we had
shoes to buy. Lisa and I coined something in the
beginning of our friendship, which I'm sure other people have done,
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and I hope we get letters and text I hope
so um to the non existent website that I know
nothing about, but I'm assuming will exist somewhere in the
universe of I Heart Radio, where you can write and say, yes,
I did the same thing, or oh B I hate
your show and you should stick to showing your breasts
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at the Golden Globe Awards. Whatever your opinion, and you
and you're entitled to it. Which is the beauty of
opinions is that we all have them. Is that Lisa
and I coined a phrase friendship shoes. So here's what
our thing was. And if if someone listening to this
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takes this and goes like, oh, I'm so doing that,
we to Jamie will need to know and feel honored
that we will, you know, be the catalyst for this.
So we'll tell us also what model perkin stock it
is so we can get it, and we can so
you have to so that we can enlarge the friendship group.
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But here's how it would work. We actually that's not
a bad idea. Well, they're never bad ideas. Their ideas
they grow and sometimes they take fruit and and sometimes
they die on the fine. But what we would do
is we would go shopping, and we would go shopping.
We would go to the shoe department at a certain
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store and we would try on shoes. And we, by
the way, we both have big feet. Let's just be like,
this is the friendship of big feet, uh podcast. And
if we liked this said pair of shoes, whoever made it?
No oblonic? Sorry, I just what was that? I don't know.
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I had a drink in my throat, um, and we
would go, Wow, I really love those shoes. I love
them too, And then I'd say they're so expensive and
then i'd say, but if I buy them, if I
buy them for you, then I can say, but I
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bought Lisa pair of shoes. It's her birthday coming up,
and you buy them for me. Saying it's Jamie's birthday,
or it's Jamie's whatever coming up, it's flag Day. It
takes the sting out of the big purchase. It's like
eating food while you're standing. You're burning a calorie. It's right, okay,
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it's yes. I was gonna say it's ultra is um. Honestly,
it's well, you're doing for someone else. And by the way,
the other beautiful thing of a friendship shoe is that
you're buying your friend something that you know she already likes, loves, loves, loves.
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I think you love love. Yeah, so we But the
but the other thing that your listeners should know, if
they care, is that if they exist, but I take listen,
I take nothing for granted. Ever, I think you know
that about me. I do not take things for granted.
So I'm hoping somebody is listening to this conversation right now,
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but I cannot tell you that they are in this moment.
That's the funny thing. Just to make an aside from
an aside is that when you're podcasting in advance and
you're not live, it feels like and I know I've
told you this before. Hello, it's Lisa uh speaking to
you from my fork. You know, it doesn't even feel real,
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but it is real. Well, what's real is the feelings
of the friendship, which is what started this whole show
was the idea of talking about friendship and all of
the different iterations that friendships have, and ours is particularly
unique both given our very different outlaw grounds backgrounds. Yeah. Um,
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the thing that all need to know is even though
I had played a bad girl before on TV, I
am a good girl. And Lisa was a good girl,
so she she used to do a podcast or a
radio show where I think her handle was like the
least sophisticated. What was the fabulous handle about your the
Lisa Berback shows, I was the best dressed woman in radio. No,
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not that one, the like the the one you were
the best. So you were the boss of me? No,
not that I was the boss of you, though I
am that I am the boss of her. No, it
was not that it had to do with that you
were like the most unsophisticated. Yes, yes, but what was
that saying. I don't remember, but it was something like,
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you were the most uncool person. I also felt that way.
I was not. I was not you know, with a
faster crowd. I was. I was definitely a little nerdy.
Not as nerdy as you. No one not as nerdy. No.
I understand that, but I but I definitely had uh
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that there were similar aspects of that, but beyond that,
there was nothing similar. You are an academic, you were
an intellectual. You went listened. Oh, don't shake okay, guys, no,
you have to be quiet. I'm the host. Um. You
know this woman is incredibly smart and talented as a
thinker and a writer. Um, as a journalist. And you
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know went to Brown. Um, you know you don't go
to Brown. Um. I didn't go to Brown, by the way.
I went to the University of the Pacific fourth two
months Uh, the school where my mother was the most
famous person to have ever graduated. And somehow my eight
forty combined s a T score and my C plus
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see actual straight see um academic record. UM. I think
somehow was a draw. So I mean, what's important, though,
is that the differences of our lives and our origin
stories and our families. Um it it it bonded us
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in such a way. I didn't have another friend like you,
and I don't think you had another friend like me.
That's right, that's right. And and for me, you're choosing
me as a friend with that note. Was the first
time anybody ever did that, also the last time, but
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it was, it was, it was, Uh, it was the
greatest compliment, one of the great compliments of my life,
because I didn't want to bother you. You were celebrity,
you know, and I was really included because of my husband,
And it was it was saying, you know, I'm taking
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you on, as you would say on your terms, terms
and and and the other thing is that and I
don't know who else you've been interviewed on your wonderful podcast,
but your your being famous made me instantly protective of you,
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because wherever you went, people knew it. And as soon
as we did projects together, which we've done over the years,
people knew that we were friends, and they all wanted
something from you. People I knew well, people I didn't
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know well. And so I've tried to from three thousand,
seven hundred miles away to enclose you in a little
bit of a protective bubble. And I think our friendship
bubble has been a safe zone for both of us.
We have delighted each other with friendship shoes, with a
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lot of comedy. There's a lot of laughter. My husband,
as you know, thinks you're as funny a person. Oh,
don't make that face. I didn't know that the fast.
You know that because he has, he has said so
to you. It is a component of our friendship. Is
your wickedly funny and um, you you know this our
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friendship bubble as you described it. I do think I
want to explore a little more about asking somebody to
be your friend. Um. I think that we're all trying
to do the best we can. We're all if we're
lucky enough to be married, if we're lucky enough to
have a job we like, if we're lucky enough to
have children out of that relationship or in spite of it,
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Ingo um ingo ingo. Ultimately, if you're able to do
it and have a life. The idea of hoping that
your life is going to intersect with another woman in
a close relationship is is a little bit up to
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the gods. You you have to throw it up and say, well,
I hope out of this group of people, in my
life of dizziness and a marriage and a child and
a job that I love, that am I going to
be able to make relationships? And as we said at
the beginning, you know, it's sometimes with your school friends,
it's sometimes with a neighbor. But when people actually do
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say out loud, I would like to be your friend,
it's it's a real gesture of vulnerability, totally ability. Um,
you're risking you know, this isn't ah, it's not a
done deal, and it it may not work, and it's
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it's exposing an aspect of yourself saying I also need
and want a friend like like you, you know, like
I want a friend like you, and I would like
us to be friends, and it's gonna mean work in
its well, I saw that, I saw that I've learned
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a lot about friendship from you, as I've told you
in the past. But the we need to talk about
my jealous streak also, because that's honest. We have to
talk about that later, if there's a later. But oh,
there'll be a later, are you kidding? Okay, So this
is our time, Lisa, Oh, that sounds like a menopause
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and conversation. Yes, um, so no, there is work involved.
There is work, it's and the work is just being honestly,
just being thoughtful, just having a little you know. I
love those I think they're called now, I just forgot
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what they're called. When when you see a graph of
the brain, it will say appetite, it will say memory.
You know, phrenology. I think it's called well, they have
those phrenology heads right, so in a frontal part would
be my closest friends because they deserve it and they
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give it. And I think that for people who have
been friends now for thirty years excuse me, thirty probably, yes,
I can't do math um, you know, to stay in
that very special there. There's just a special place that
you have in my life, in my heart and in
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my brain, and the work of being a long distance
friend is both harder and easier. I'll tell you a
story that I haven't told you, and that is maybe
the first time I stayed in your house as an
overnight guest. Your whole breakfast, your coffee routine, Like if
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you're a best friend and you're going running together, walking
the dogs together, pick up and drop off from nursery
school together whatever it is. You know your your person's cups,
you know the way they take their coffee, you know
the routine. But I never knew that about you. You know,
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that's that's a thing that one would know. Yes, there
are many. I've had a cappuccino with you in a restaurant, right,
But but there are many. There are many, aspose Titian
as you put it, those daily little things that you
don't even think about, and and but they're there, and
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there are a very big part of each of our lives.
And it's the it's to me you said, it's the fun.
It's also the sadness to me of that I kind
of know that there's going to that there will be
and our aspects of our friendship that I will never
know about you, even even when I come to you
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in New York and can do a deep dive, whatever
the circumstance. By the way, be it in sadness when
your dad died, that that feeling of of your family,
your family has included me in their lives, um in
a way that makes me feel very special. As you know,
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I loved your dad, um, and that has always felt
very special to me. But there are big, big chunks
of yes, of a fetter who knows right that I
really am. Never I couldn't tell you the answer to
the question. And there is in a long distance friendship
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with all of the joys of it, and there are
obviously fantastic joys to it. There are aspects of sadness
to it, yes, absolutely. And I couldn't be with you
when your mom died. And also there have been times
when I was going to come out and see you
for something or another and you said, don't, Please don't
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come out. It's gonna be a small ceremony, or please
don't come after this, it's not going to be worth it.
I only having my really close friends and you know.
But there are times where you want to hold each
other and you can't. But there are also times when
something so crazy happens in the world, crazy funny, not
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crazy bad. I want to pretend that we're going to
have crazy funny again, and I just want to call
you and say Armie Hammer is a cannibal and then
hang up the phone. You know something, I know, I'll
get it. I'm a good friend. We'll be right back
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with more good friend after this quick break, so stick around.
I know I'll get it from a good friend. Then
I don't know any I'm a good friend. We've watched
each other changed so much, and I guess it's just aging.
But you know, there was a time when we watched
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the oscars together over the phone, So so let me
set that up for seccids. Of course I thought of that.
There was a period of time and and it's very
joyful by the way, No, it was joyful for those
listening and for any celebrity listening. Um should you be listening.
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There was a period of time where the words stylist
didn't exist. What nobody had stylists. There were no stylists.
There were It was not a career. Oh it was
way not a career, and it was way not a
h an ambition of every young girl. But it was
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also not a portal by which I could go through
to get help. So the joy of award shows were
primarily it used to be people actually went out and
bought clothes for award shows, or you know, if they
didn't buy them, they were lent them by a designer.
But again, it was not an organized activity that became
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something now that has been you know, sort of turned
into a cottage industry. And there are now obviously fabulous
people who do that job, who are celebrities now in
their own right because from doing that job. But in
the time when they weren't, we used to love. We
used to love a good award show. I have subsequently
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stopped loving award shows and almost don't even watch them anymore.
But there was a time when we were younger where
awards show season for us as a season, and the
season we exprings have an open telephone line from the
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first hour of the people walking up to the end
of the show. Sometimes we would say things to each other.
Sometimes we would just watch the show and make a uh,
you know. And by the way, I'm sixty two years old.
I apologize now to anyone who didn't know that I
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made fun of them for what they wore and by
the way or what they said on what they said.
But also, you know, heap on to the myriad times
I've now been in the public eye, been wearing fancy
clothes that are not the clothes I wear every day,
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and have publicly spoken at things in unexpected moments, and
I'm sure I it's open season on me too. It's
not under What I'm trying to do is careful. I'm
not standing in judgment like I'm I just think there's
that they are by themselves. Awards shows a very fascinating
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um subculture. Yes, and when we were watching them also,
let's be honest, our families and you yourself, your husband,
my husband were in the movie business and we felt
a little bit like we had a stake of the
proceedings because our friend was in it, or our friends
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shot it or the sound whatever. So we did care more.
And this was before I don't know if your audience
will believe me, this was before the invention of Ryan Seacrest.
So it wasn't organized. There was no cammycam or Manny
cam or pubby cam. It was just rougher and more humble,
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and we watched it also so for the joy event.
You know, we loved a certain movie and we wanted
it to win. It was it was a part of
our life that was a really wonderful, fun funny, snarky, safe,
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snarky um silly, not serious, not it was a silly
and fun And then my mother would pick up the
would start calling in every time Angelica Houston was on
screen and say something ridiculous. It was. It was funny,
and we used to do it now. I mean, one
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day I think I was. It was the eve of
the season and I was getting ready. Also, it meant
a lot of a lot of contact with you, which
I always loved, and you said, we're Oh, I'm not
into it anymore, And I thought, uh, what what am
I gonna do? Oh I'm not into that competition. It's
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so silly. So I thought, Okay, I guess I'll have
to watch with LORI grad which I did. And by
the way, it's probably that I It just had to
do with well, they're more shows, they're more word shows
now and by the time of the Oscars, it's all.
Everything's a foregone conclusion. It's less exciting. It also just
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it it it obviously my my interests changed and and
I had moved into a different mental space about the
whole idea of all of it. Regard regardless, the other
thing you need to know about us is, and I'm
sure we are not the first friendship to have pet names.
You know. The great thing about being a good friend is,
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of course you're together through thick and thin, and you know,
you suit up and show up for each other, and that,
of course is going to be a chorus of conversation. Um,
you know, as long as this show is on, that
will be a continual conversation about how a friend, how
important that is for friendship. But there's also, as we've
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just discussed, there's this the trivial part of it, which
is actually also fun, the friendship shoes, which are fun
and fabulous, which I like to say you threw years
out because this was like fifteen years ago, probably fourteen
years ago, still have yours of course of course, Um yes,
uh For the uninitiated listener, I'm someone who divests daily. Um,
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I'm trying to boil it down to two items. If
she could, she would live in a in a house
designed like by a boat designer, so everything was built in. Yes,
I would live on a boat. She wouldn't have four
black tops, four black bottoms, two pairs of shoes. Is
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and be done. I know. But what I was going
to say is, we have a mutual friend who's also
going to be on this very podcast, the very talented,
very hilariously fighter Janice Hirsch, and we it was a
bit of a triangulation our friendship where you knew Janice,
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and I knew Janice, and I lived in the same
building as Janice for a very long time, and so
that triangulation also occurred where we were both very fond
of her and she of both of us, and she
very quickly we get very Jewish and we start talking
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and we say things like dahl ingling, And what happened
is our little pet name for each other started to
be dalling and then it got shortened the way pet
names get shortened to ling ling. So our families know this.
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Lisa's children know this, My children know this, My husband
Michael knows this. We call each other ling ling, and
she is ling and I am ling because ling is
dahling ling and we it is also I don't have
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that with anybody like that, where that's that is such
a specific thing for you and me, and it's been
that way for twenty five years, and it's it's again
something that is just seeing the word ling. If you
type the word ling into a text or an email,
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it's always immediately I get put there. Now, something that
just came up in the conversation was children. Oh yeah,
um that kids. I got a lot of them. Well,
it's how again another connection. Another connection we met when
both of us. Uh I was newly married Lisa soon
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became newly married Um, and then babies followed. The babies
did follow and Um Lisa. Although it is necessarily it
is a tradition in the Jewish religion to have a godparent.
Now it's more traditional, I think in Catholicism, because you're
the whole idea is that you will basically stand in
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should anything happen to the parents, raise them with an
understanding of ideas and precepts, or raise them in the
church in the church and make sure that they have
a good religious education bringing, which is why it's called
a godparent, that you will connect them to God in
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lieu of the parents should the parent perish, And that's
you choose that person as that now, as you know
Jake Gillen hall I when he became a young actor
and I said to him, who's you know obviously I've
been friends with Naomi and knew Jake when he was tiny,
and I remember when he became an actor and we
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were at the thing and I said, just you know,
I probably didn't a slightly affected accent, and I think
I said something like, look I'm a celebrity godmother. You
haven't need me. You call me, you know my number.
I've been around the blog, I know what I know
my way around show off business, and you feel free
to call. And I think it was referred to for
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a long time as I was his celebrity godmother, until
one day somebody said, hey, I read that you're Jake
jillen Hols godmother. And you know the next thing I know,
I'm now Maggie and Jake's godmother and proud to be.
So it has nothing to do with the religion. It
has really to do with that special friend that is
the friend of the mother who says, look out for
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my kids, like you're the special person in their life
that's going to look out for them. Um. As much
as I am something already, I know I'll get if
I'm a good friend, We'll be right back with more
good friend after this quick break. I know I'll get it.
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I'm a good friend. When Lisa first became pregnant with
her first child, she didn't did you name me godmother
to Sam? You didn't. I thought it was Boco and
then it was Sam. It was Sam. Describe the night
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that he was born oh yes, yes I will, so
just just for context, so that our um listener. Um,
I'm imagining like I'm imagining imagining, I'm imagining one person,
one person. Um, it's and it's not going to be
anyone we're related to. I think, well, I hope we
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have a listener. I hope so. UM. For the uninitiated listener, uh,
I am the godmother of Lisa's three children, UM, Sam, Boco,
and Mazie, and am proudly their godmother and have loved
having that relationship and I want to talk in a
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minute about how that's expanded. But what happened when Sam
was born is I happened not by planning, but I
happened to be brought to New York City for a
promotion for something. I don't know what it was. I
don't really remember. I was doing a lot of commercials.
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I might I've been launching something for a commercial, um,
whatever I was doing, and I it's irrelevant. I had
happened to coincide with Lisa being giving birth and being
in the hospital with her baby, and I went to visit.
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And for the uninitiated listener, I can take a picture,
uh pretty well with a camera. I fashion myself a
good photographer. Um, and I love it, and you work
hard at it. By the way, I do work hard
at it, and I get a little sweaty and grumpy.
But I digress. So Lisa had sam Uh. Lisa and
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her husband Stephen were at the hospital. Um, I went
to visit, and you know, I don't you know, you
mentioned something about me being a celebrity, and I, you know,
for for anybody who's listening, for you, one listener, for
you listener, I think if you're listening, you know that.
I don't wake up and look in the mirror and
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go like you're famous. Yeah, I just it's not how
I operate in the world. I just it's I appreciate it,
and I appreciate all the benefits from it and all
the rest of it. But I don't wake up with
that as my primary purpose or primary thought. So because
of that, I just showed up at the hospital and
I went in to take photographs. You wanted to take
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the first wanted to take a photograph. I visited Lisa
and and so she said, well, you're gonna have to.
They're gonna kick everybody out. There was an announcement on
the p A all visitors please leave the floor. The
babies are going to be brought out soon. And you know,
we waited five minutes and then they said, okay, last chance,
all visitors leave because babies are coming up. And so
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I said to Lisa, well what do I do? She said,
go hide in the shower. So I went into the shower.
There was a tiny bathroom and a little shower off
of Lisa's room. So I went in there and had
my camera and it was around my neck and I
was in there and then you heard the announcement babies
are coming out, you know. And so then you know,
a minute later, two minutes later, and knock on the door,
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a nurse said, Hi, here comes Sam, and she wheeled
in the little you know net and I left the room,
left the room, and you know, Lisa was now holding
Sam and I the minute I heard the door shut,
I jumped out of the bathroom. I I was started shooting.
And then I wanted to get that perfect image of
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the new mama with the baby and the husband, and
so I climbed on the bed and stood over Lisa
with my feet on either side. She was like Richard
Avedon at Mount SINAI yeah, let's say it. Richard avedon
a top Mount SINAI okay, and I I you know,
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I stood above her and Stephen and the baby, and
I work with Alca. It's a beautiful amra. I'm clicking away.
You have to set the focus, you have to set
the aperture. It's you know, a little time. You know,
you have to be doing it. I'm not a photojournalist.
I can't just do it in my sleep. And I'm
getting picture, picture, picture, And all of a sudden, the
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door to the room flies open and I jump off
the bed to the right, hit the ground and roll
under the bed. I am now rolled under Lisa's hospital bed,
clutching this camera on a floor, that floor that was
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pretty clean. Maybe it was pretty clean, and just like
in a movie, I could see the feet of the
nurse walk in the room, walk over to the side
of the bed, and I'm I'm hiding under the bed.
I'm breathing, reathing quietly, but you know, I'm trying to
be like And the shoes stop and there's a beat,
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and I hear this. You can come out, Jamie. We
know you're in here, girl. We all saw you come
in and we know you didn't leave, and I rolled
out from the and I looked up at this woman like, Hi,
I'm sorry. I'm from California and this is my best
friend and she just had a baby and I happened
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to be here in New York by accident, and I'm
a photographer and I just wanted to be the first
person to photograph Lisa and her baby. And I'm so sorry,
and I promise I'll leave now. In anyway, they were delightful,
And then the coda to the story just because it's
a shoulder, it's a show a bad friendship. So I mean,
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you have to know that she's really she really it was.
It was a farce. I mean, if Joe Orton had
written it or if I mean it was it was
a moment. Definitely, it was a moment. So jumped and rolled.
I didn't never forget that as long as I live,
just to put the coda on it. Um. The thing
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that happened is that there used to be something called
like twenty four hour photos or what was that place
called photo where you can go in and you could
get it done in an hour. But this one that
you went to was named for David Janssen, for some reason,
was it? Yeah, it was something. It was something where
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I was going to a business thing and I ran
into this place and I gave him a roll of film.
Not my good roll of film, it was another roll
of film. It was from the other little camera, and
I said, can you develop this in an hour? It
used to be it was one hour photo. That's yes.
So I used to be able to get one hour photo.
I would get these photos. And so on my way
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back that night, I finished my work and I remember
it was I went and picked up the one hour photo.
Had to do a business dinner, I think, And so
it was about ten o'clock, which for me is the
middle of the night. And I remember pulling up to
this hospital and I'm coming to the door and the
and the security guards said, I'm sorry, visiting visitors hours
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just closed or just ended. And I looked at him.
I may have squeaked a tear out of my I
am an actress, after all, and I it is part
of my job is that when push comes to shove,
I can squeak out a tear. I think I squeaked
out a tear and said to him, my best friend
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had a baby. And I took these pictures and I
just want to give them to her. Please. I'm going
back to California tonight or tomorrow morning. Can I please
just run up? I promise you, I'll be up there
two minutes. I just want to hand her these pictures.
She's never seen a picture of her and her baby.
And I took it and and the guy just looked
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at me and was like, come on it. And it
was that moment. I remember, I ran in your room,
I kissed you, I handed you these And this is
before cell phones. We should tell people, oh, yeah, so
I didn't know you were coming. No, no, I just
surprised her. It was late at night. She had just
given birth that day. Here I'm now giving her pictures
to have to be able to give to her family.
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It was it was that moment. It was definitely for me,
a solidifying moment of our friendship um over the years.
It was spectacular and uh, you were spectacular, and you
give me that spectacular baby shower too. I loved that
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moment though, because it really spoke of our friendship and
how I think people go to great links to suit
up and show up for each other. And I think
that's why people will that's why our listeners listening, because
I think they want to connect back to those feelings.
I do think that the pandemic has had an effect
on us, even though we are starting to be able
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to be in each other's company again, the idea of
thinking and talking about friendship and the ways friendship affect
you become part of your life, um most of the
time in a very positive, positive way. Certainly that has
been the case with you and me. Yes, yes, I
think so. I think it's true that in some ways
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our friendship is could be to the to the listener
who doesn't know us, very um, very surprising and very
very reassuring because number one, we kept it going. Number two,
we're not in each other's worlds. Number three we live
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far apart, and on and on and um. If you
have a pause in a friendship, or you lose a
friend chip or and there have been time so let's
be honest, I mean, there have been periods of maybe
six months at a time where we have drifted. It's
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not and it's not out of a specific issue. It
was a drift that when we reconnected it it took
a moment or yeah, yeah, we had a we had
a I guess we'd call it a rough patch that
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we didn't know we had until until we talked about it,
and until we talked about it, and then we realized
that some of that distance had actually eroded something and
that needed to be somehow repaired and discussed the way
a good friend would discuss. You wouldn't just jettison the friendship,
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you would you would repair it and talk about it.
And those were hard, and I remember them, and there
were tears. And you know, we both have had very big,
dramatic things happen in our lives where we both were
able to share with each other. Um. The part that
I think is going to be a surprise to the
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listener is that I've also the expansion of the relationship
with my god children has now yielded like a whole
new gentlement in our friendship and our famili's friendship. And
that is this. About two years ago, Um Boco, the
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middle child, my middle child, who lives out in California
and as a comedy writer. Um, when she was home
somehow was going through some stuff that was in her
old room and found a letter that Boco had written me,
her godmother when she was twelve years old. It said
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Jamie written on the outside of the envelope. It was
sealed and stamped and stamped, but it didn't have an address,
and it was somehow in a box of stationary or something,
and Lisa sent it to me. Now, when Lisa mentioned
during the podcast that the handwriting is immediate, Lisa's handwriting
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is immediate. I see it. I go, oh, letter from Lisa,
And I ripped it open and in it was this
sealed letter that said Jamie, which I opened and as
I opened it, it was a plaintiff letter from a
twelve year old girl who had made a mistake at
summer camp. Dear Godmother, Jamie. And it goes on to
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say I made a mistake and I feel really bad
and I wish you were here because then you'd be
able to talk to you about it and you'd know
what to say. But whatever, it was a really suite
her fick twelve year olds. It was on La Coste stationary.
What Lisa, what I didn't mention in the non introduction
is that Lisa's big success when she was a young
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young woman was that she wrote the book, The Preppy Handbook.
Now the listener is now going like, well, why didn't
you mention that earlier? Well, it's not who cares. But
as we've talked about, this is about friendship. It isn't
necessarily you know what that friend does, but it's your
main particularly here because your lad a La cost Um,
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you know, alligator on her stationary. And I remember I
called Boco. I said I got your letter, and she said,
I know, right, I don't think remembered what didn't tell her.
But so when I called her and said I got
this letter from Camp from you, and I read it
to her, I said to her, you know, Boco, this
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is a TV show. And what began, as you know, Boco,
this is a TV show at six am when you
called her became a message of this is a podcast.
And we in my little company, Comic Pictures, from which
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this very podcast that we are talking on is produced through.
I started something in my sixties to sort of house
all my ideas. That little idea for a podcast has
become a very successful audible Sorry I heart. They probably
will now kick me off of my heart because I
said no, no, um, but it has become a very
(52:44):
successful audible scripted comedy podcast for tweens called Letters from
Camp that is written entirely by Boco Haft, Lisa's middle child,
my second godchild in that trifecta of god children. It's amazing.
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That's that's first. It's on you. When I didn't know
what the letter contained, and I said to Boco when
she was here. She hasn't been here since then, by
the way, it's been so long, I said, well, let's
open it and see. No, no, I don't want to.
And I guess when she saw it, she must have
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thought the reason I didn't send it was because I
must have been embarrassed, so I don't want to revisit it.
But I didn't think of embarrassment. I thought of just
how sweet that she was writing to you from camp.
It's certainly it's hard. It's hard for a parent to
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get a kid to write a letter to them, and
it was nice for me to know that you were
somebody she was writing too. And I know you wrote
back to her too, and all the kids. But I
would you know, I was the godmother who would send
you know, Tiger Beat magazines and seventy Tarts and sweet Tarts,
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and then they would right and say that they've confiscated
the sweet tearts because we can't have candy at camp.
And I liked a good care package. I will be
I am that godmother. I am a good care package center.
So I did enjoy that. But out of this letter
has now come possibly a TV show, definitely a podcast,
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and definitely a successful entertain successful entertainment and it's all
written by Boco from this spark of an idea between
the two of us that this could be something other
than just a letter from a twelve year old girl
from camp and so and Sam is the part of it.
And I'm Mazie, who is your youngest who is still
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on the East Coast. I just keep hoping that one
of these days we're gonna lure her out here to
calth on you and then all three will be working
on this show. And um, it will have only been
born because you and I reached our hands out to
each other when we were in our twenties and new
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new life was happening for both of us, and it
was you know, It's one of the most delicious aspects
of our friendship is that we've had enough space to
allow me to now be friends with your children, independent
of you, um, independent of of anything besides my own
(55:40):
relationship with them. That as always when you're trying to
get somebody to know somebody young, you know you can't
force it. You know, you can simply extend your hand
and say I think you're cool, I love you, I'm
here for you, UM, which is what I try to
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do with people. So but it's it's so amazing to me, um.
And the reason, obviously, the minute I knew I was
going to do a podcast called good Friend, I called
you because it's such a it's such an important relationship
in my life and the distance between us, the difference
(56:22):
in our lives and our backgrounds. Um, the connection that
we made which is indelible, really with each other's families.
You here with Chris particularly me, you know, with your mom,
your dad, your family's story, the the profound dedication to
(56:47):
your family that you and your children have, and feeling
privileged to be included into them. Um. And you know
that's another aspect of of friendship that is crucial show
is that it's friendship, but it's family. And ultimately you
don't want to just know. I think to be a
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really good friend is I want to know all of it.
I want to know you. I want to know your mom.
I want to know your dad, I want to know
your brothers, I want to know your kids. And that's
how the sort of circle just gets expanded and expanded. Um,
a lot of shoes, it's a lot of shot shot
of people. I will say that, Um, there is a
(57:33):
lovely feeling of warmth. And I think there's probably a
Jewish word for it, a Yiddish word for like this
that I feel when I find out that oh yeah,
Sam composed a sea shanty for you, or oh yeah,
Poco and you have a conference call with the network,
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or oh yeah there. You know, it does feel even
though it may be just a quick work thing, but
you've chosen to work with them, and it's a connection
that is very meaningful to me. I fell I believe
the word is nachus. You are right. I believe you
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get nachus from that knowledge that our good friendship has
borne a good friendship between me and your children. Yes, yes,
and for that I'm grateful to you. I'm I'm getting
so much nachas right now that I have to do keegels.
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You know. The other thing is I okay, I just
have to say I wish I knew your kids better.
I wish I did. I have tremendous feeling of fondness
for them, of course, but it's it's not the universe didn't.
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The universe didn't allow that kind of that. We had
that one trip to the mountains where uh um, there
was a nickname given my child and children, my kids
love him for them. Yeah, but but it's it's I
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think there's a there's look, it's that yep. So we
could do this, obviously, we could do this for a
very long time. What you need to know is that
you are a good friend, Lisa burned back, and I
love you, and I'm grateful that you would take some
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time and um come and talk with my listener at
at my listener, and I wish for anybody listening that
they get friendship shoes with a friend as uh as
good a friend as as Lisa um and me. So
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thank you for beautiful Stay safe, everybody, stay safe listener.
And you know as Prince as as not Prince Archie
mouth Batten Windsor likes to say hi, dre and drive safely,
So weird A good many Good Friend is produced by
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Dylan Fagin and is a production of My Heart Radio
our theme song Good Friend is written, produced, and performed
by Emily King. Don't already, I know, I'll get it
from a good friend. If there's something I don't already,
(01:01:11):
I know, I'll get it from a good friend. For
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If there's something I don't already, and I'll get it.
I'm a good friend. Hi everybody, it's Jamie Lee Curtis
and you're listening to The Good Friend Podcast, presented to
you by I Heart Radio. It's a podcast about friendship.
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We talk about everything, we cry, we laugh, we think
about what it really means to be a good friend.
And I have conversations with some of my best friends,
some people I've never met, and sort of everything in between.
So I hope by the end of it that you
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have a really good sense of what friendship means to
me and the people that I consider friends. And I
hope you can take those same ideas into your own
friendship groups. And I hope you enjoy it. I don't already.
And the audiat and the Good Friends, the Good Friend Podcast,
(01:09):
the show you are listening to as we are speaking. UM,
tell me it's started already. Oh, it's started already, because
the whole idea here is the way conversations begin an end.
They don't have form and function, and so I like
I don't do a formal introduction. People have tuned in, Um,
(01:32):
they have heard the fabulous theme song by Emily King.
We jump into conversations here because I think that's what
friends do. I think they jump into conversations. They do,
and sometimes it's a conversation that already started yesterday, an
hour ago, fourteen years ago. It depends exactly, and and
then you just pick up that thread and continue it.
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I also do like because of the technology we are
for the uninitialed ated audience member, our listeners. UM, My
guest today is Lisa Burnbach, a dear, dear, crazy, dear
friend of mine who also is a very talented journalist
(02:14):
and podcaster herself, um with her five Things podcast. And
so she is an expert? Are you an expert? Just
so you now? And the reason your hostess and hero
(02:36):
just snorted when she said expert, it's because is because
miss guest knows, or miss Curtis knows, that there are
certain things she can do to set me off, and
she likes to do it. It used to be in
(02:58):
the eighties when we first got to be thick with
one another. Tote tote, would you like to bring a tote?
Did you tote that to my house? It got us going, yeah,
you know the funniest things. I mean, we have been friends,
(03:20):
uh since nineteen I believe we met in nineteen eighty five, five,
six six, What year did you get married? Four? And
Annie was born in December of eighties six. Oh, no,
(03:40):
we were friends. We had yes because yes, because somewhere
in amongst my horde of things, we could get into
that too. To your myrriad totes, I have too many totes,
(04:01):
and I cannot say no to a tote. But we
met when Christopher, your husband, your new husband, was making
a movie in Paris, France, and my soon to be
fiance was a producer of that movie. We met there.
(04:24):
It didn't take yet, but it took when you were
living in New York and making Blue Steel. Yes, and
so we met I think in eight five, but we
and we experienced a red together. Okay, that that was big.
(04:45):
We had a big moment in Paris, and then we
got to know one another in New York. And Jamie
Lee did the greatest thing that any friend can do,
any nascent friend could do. She passed me a note
at a dinner party that she hosted in a restaurant,
(05:06):
and it said something like, I want to be your friend.
Isn't that the sweetest thing ever? So here's what you
need to know. What you need to know is that
Lisa is funny, smart and wicked, smart and wicked, funny
(05:35):
and snarky, and is a born and raised Upper East
Side Jewish girl from New York City, and I am
a born and raised daughter of Princhipessa from Los Angeles, California.
And the friendship that I was so excited that we
(05:57):
were going to talk today about it, because it has
been a bicoastal sort of for the last part of
a bilateral friendship we have we have navigated and I
know we're not the only ones, and some of our
listeners are going to be nodding right now because we
made a friendship with the understanding that chances are that
(06:21):
we would never live in the same city with each
other for any actual period of time. You want to
know something, I wasn't eat Lisa. I wasn't even thinking
that when it started. And I'll tell you why. Um uh.
At that point in my career and life, I was
open to everything. I was married to a guy in
(06:45):
the movie business, so I didn't want to move to
Los Angeles, but there was a chance. But I didn't
think of us as never getting to see one another.
I thought of us as getting to see one another
as much as we could, and you know, frankly going
out to Los Angeles, which I used to do a lot,
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you were such a big part of the draw. You know,
there are places you can go, and there are other
places in the olden days and the good times that
you could do stuff through mail and phone calls and
old technologies like that, and are our patients was greater
because we all had more time. We didn't insist on
(07:30):
getting the answer now you know, now no waiting now
there were you'd send out a message and you'd get
a return. So getting mail from you was always a
thrill still is of course, when you're old friends who
live far apart. You know each other's handwriting, so you go.
(07:51):
In my case, I go to it right away, and um,
the whole I didn't in my mind it wasn't about
where you were, because we used to talk on the
phone all the time, right. But nonetheless, a lot of
friendships get built through the sort of Quotitian aspects of life.
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You have shared you have shared children, or shared interests,
your school together, you live in a neighborhood. Neighborhoods create friendships.
And here we were two women who fell madly in
friendship with each other from very different backgrounds um and
appreciated each other for those different backgrounds, but nonetheless we
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didn't really live where the other one lived. And because
of it, obviously, any time I would go to New
York City, the only person I would see officially would
be you. It would be I'm going there to do
for lack of a better thing than today, show for
a book, I've done whatever. I'm going there for a
(08:56):
promotional tour. I don't I never, I don't think we ever.
I don't think Christopher and I ever one time said hey,
let's go to New York for like a week. I don't, well,
I mean, on some level, on our own time. But no,
you did well. No, you came to Sam's bar mitzvah. Okay,
but that's that's a very different Okay, that's a very
(09:19):
different thing. And I didn't come two bocos bat mitzvah.
So I mean, it's it's it, it goes both ways.
I think my point is simply that you were my
destination resort New York City, and I was yours in
Los Angeles. Even if you were being brought out and
I it it makes those trips to New York and
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your trips to Los Angeles have that special intensity because
we would see each other and we have spoken a
lot to each other, but here we are now in
each other's presence well. And then in the days before
life more complicated, I would cancel anything I had to
(10:05):
do and we would meet at your hotel early. You
were always there first, I mean, of course, in the lobby,
and then we go. We had we had places to go,
we had things to try on, we had we had
shoes to buy. Lisa and I coined something in the
beginning of our friendship, which I'm sure other people have done,
(10:29):
and I hope we get letters and text I hope
so um to the non existent website that I know
nothing about, but I'm assuming will exist somewhere in the
universe of I Heart Radio, where you can write and say, yes,
I did the same thing, or oh B I hate
your show and you should stick to showing your breasts
(10:52):
at the Golden Globe Awards. Whatever your opinion, and you
and you're entitled to it. Which is the beauty of
opinions is that we all have them. Is that Lisa
and I coined a phrase friendship shoes. So here's what
our thing was. And if if someone listening to this
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takes this and goes like, oh, I'm so doing that,
we to Jamie will need to know and feel honored
that we will, you know, be the catalyst for this.
So we'll tell us also what model perkin stock it
is so we can get it, and we can so
you have to so that we can enlarge the friendship group.
(11:35):
But here's how it would work. We actually that's not
a bad idea. Well, they're never bad ideas. Their ideas
they grow and sometimes they take fruit and and sometimes
they die on the fine. But what we would do
is we would go shopping, and we would go shopping.
We would go to the shoe department at a certain
(11:56):
store and we would try on shoes. And we, by
the way, we both have big feet. Let's just be like,
this is the friendship of big feet, uh podcast. And
if we liked this said pair of shoes, whoever made it?
No oblonic? Sorry, I just what was that? I don't know.
(12:16):
I had a drink in my throat, um, and we
would go, Wow, I really love those shoes. I love
them too, And then I'd say they're so expensive and
then i'd say, but if I buy them, if I
buy them for you, then I can say, but I
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bought Lisa pair of shoes. It's her birthday coming up,
and you buy them for me. Saying it's Jamie's birthday,
or it's Jamie's whatever coming up, it's flag Day. It
takes the sting out of the big purchase. It's like
eating food while you're standing. You're burning a calorie. It's right, okay,
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it's yes. I was gonna say it's ultra is um. Honestly,
it's well, you're doing for someone else. And by the way,
the other beautiful thing of a friendship shoe is that
you're buying your friend something that you know she already likes, loves, loves, loves.
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I think you love love. Yeah, so we But the
but the other thing that your listeners should know, if
they care, is that if they exist, but I take listen,
I take nothing for granted. Ever, I think you know
that about me. I do not take things for granted.
So I'm hoping somebody is listening to this conversation right now,
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but I cannot tell you that they are in this moment.
That's the funny thing. Just to make an aside from
an aside is that when you're podcasting in advance and
you're not live, it feels like and I know I've
told you this before. Hello, it's Lisa uh speaking to
you from my fork. You know, it doesn't even feel real,
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but it is real. Well, what's real is the feelings
of the friendship, which is what started this whole show
was the idea of talking about friendship and all of
the different iterations that friendships have, and ours is particularly
unique both given our very different outlaw grounds backgrounds. Yeah. Um,
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the thing that all need to know is even though
I had played a bad girl before on TV, I
am a good girl. And Lisa was a good girl,
so she she used to do a podcast or a
radio show where I think her handle was like the
least sophisticated. What was the fabulous handle about your the
Lisa Berback shows, I was the best dressed woman in radio. No,
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not that one, the like the the one you were
the best. So you were the boss of me? No,
not that I was the boss of you, though I
am that I am the boss of her. No, it
was not that it had to do with that you
were like the most unsophisticated. Yes, yes, but what was
that saying. I don't remember, but it was something like,
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you were the most uncool person. I also felt that way.
I was not. I was not you know, with a
faster crowd. I was. I was definitely a little nerdy.
Not as nerdy as you. No one not as nerdy. No.
I understand that, but I but I definitely had uh
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that there were similar aspects of that, but beyond that,
there was nothing similar. You are an academic, you were
an intellectual. You went listened. Oh, don't shake okay, guys, no,
you have to be quiet. I'm the host. Um. You
know this woman is incredibly smart and talented as a
thinker and a writer. Um, as a journalist. And you
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know went to Brown. Um, you know you don't go
to Brown. Um. I didn't go to Brown, by the way.
I went to the University of the Pacific fourth two
months Uh, the school where my mother was the most
famous person to have ever graduated. And somehow my eight
forty combined s a T score and my C plus
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see actual straight see um academic record. UM. I think
somehow was a draw. So I mean, what's important, though,
is that the differences of our lives and our origin
stories and our families. Um it it it bonded us
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in such a way. I didn't have another friend like you,
and I don't think you had another friend like me.
That's right, that's right. And and for me, you're choosing
me as a friend with that note. Was the first
time anybody ever did that, also the last time, but
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it was, it was, it was, Uh, it was the
greatest compliment, one of the great compliments of my life,
because I didn't want to bother you. You were celebrity,
you know, and I was really included because of my husband,
And it was it was saying, you know, I'm taking
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you on, as you would say on your terms, terms
and and and the other thing is that and I
don't know who else you've been interviewed on your wonderful podcast,
but your your being famous made me instantly protective of you,
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because wherever you went, people knew it. And as soon
as we did projects together, which we've done over the years,
people knew that we were friends, and they all wanted
something from you. People I knew well, people I didn't
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know well. And so I've tried to from three thousand,
seven hundred miles away to enclose you in a little
bit of a protective bubble. And I think our friendship
bubble has been a safe zone for both of us.
We have delighted each other with friendship shoes, with a
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lot of comedy. There's a lot of laughter. My husband,
as you know, thinks you're as funny a person. Oh,
don't make that face. I didn't know that the fast.
You know that because he has, he has said so
to you. It is a component of our friendship. Is
your wickedly funny and um, you you know this our
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friendship bubble as you described it. I do think I
want to explore a little more about asking somebody to
be your friend. Um. I think that we're all trying
to do the best we can. We're all if we're
lucky enough to be married, if we're lucky enough to
have a job we like, if we're lucky enough to
have children out of that relationship or in spite of it,
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Ingo um ingo ingo. Ultimately, if you're able to do
it and have a life. The idea of hoping that
your life is going to intersect with another woman in
a close relationship is is a little bit up to
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the gods. You you have to throw it up and say, well,
I hope out of this group of people, in my
life of dizziness and a marriage and a child and
a job that I love, that am I going to
be able to make relationships? And as we said at
the beginning, you know, it's sometimes with your school friends,
it's sometimes with a neighbor. But when people actually do
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say out loud, I would like to be your friend,
it's it's a real gesture of vulnerability, totally ability. Um,
you're risking you know, this isn't ah, it's not a
done deal, and it it may not work, and it's
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it's exposing an aspect of yourself saying I also need
and want a friend like like you, you know, like
I want a friend like you, and I would like
us to be friends, and it's gonna mean work in
its well, I saw that, I saw that I've learned
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a lot about friendship from you, as I've told you
in the past. But the we need to talk about
my jealous streak also, because that's honest. We have to
talk about that later, if there's a later. But oh,
there'll be a later, are you kidding? Okay, So this
is our time, Lisa, Oh, that sounds like a menopause
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and conversation. Yes, um, so no, there is work involved.
There is work, it's and the work is just being honestly,
just being thoughtful, just having a little you know. I
love those I think they're called now, I just forgot
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what they're called. When when you see a graph of
the brain, it will say appetite, it will say memory.
You know, phrenology. I think it's called well, they have
those phrenology heads right, so in a frontal part would
be my closest friends because they deserve it and they
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give it. And I think that for people who have
been friends now for thirty years excuse me, thirty probably, yes,
I can't do math um, you know, to stay in
that very special there. There's just a special place that
you have in my life, in my heart and in
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my brain, and the work of being a long distance
friend is both harder and easier. I'll tell you a
story that I haven't told you, and that is maybe
the first time I stayed in your house as an
overnight guest. Your whole breakfast, your coffee routine, Like if
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you're a best friend and you're going running together, walking
the dogs together, pick up and drop off from nursery
school together whatever it is. You know your your person's cups,
you know the way they take their coffee, you know
the routine. But I never knew that about you. You know,
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that's that's a thing that one would know. Yes, there
are many. I've had a cappuccino with you in a restaurant, right,
But but there are many. There are many, aspose Titian
as you put it, those daily little things that you
don't even think about, and and but they're there, and
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there are a very big part of each of our lives.
And it's the it's to me you said, it's the fun.
It's also the sadness to me of that I kind
of know that there's going to that there will be
and our aspects of our friendship that I will never
know about you, even even when I come to you
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in New York and can do a deep dive, whatever
the circumstance. By the way, be it in sadness when
your dad died, that that feeling of of your family,
your family has included me in their lives, um in
a way that makes me feel very special. As you know,
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I loved your dad, um, and that has always felt
very special to me. But there are big, big chunks
of yes, of a fetter who knows right that I
really am. Never I couldn't tell you the answer to
the question. And there is in a long distance friendship
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with all of the joys of it, and there are
obviously fantastic joys to it. There are aspects of sadness
to it, yes, absolutely. And I couldn't be with you
when your mom died. And also there have been times
when I was going to come out and see you
for something or another and you said, don't, Please don't
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come out. It's gonna be a small ceremony, or please
don't come after this, it's not going to be worth it.
I only having my really close friends and you know.
But there are times where you want to hold each
other and you can't. But there are also times when
something so crazy happens in the world, crazy funny, not
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crazy bad. I want to pretend that we're going to
have crazy funny again, and I just want to call
you and say Armie Hammer is a cannibal and then
hang up the phone. You know something, I know, I'll
get it. I'm a good friend. We'll be right back
(25:51):
with more good friend after this quick break, so stick around.
I know I'll get it from a good friend. Then
I don't know any I'm a good friend. We've watched
each other changed so much, and I guess it's just aging.
But you know, there was a time when we watched
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the oscars together over the phone, So so let me
set that up for seccids. Of course I thought of that.
There was a period of time and and it's very
joyful by the way, No, it was joyful for those
listening and for any celebrity listening. Um should you be listening.
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There was a period of time where the words stylist
didn't exist. What nobody had stylists. There were no stylists.
There were It was not a career. Oh it was
way not a career, and it was way not a
h an ambition of every young girl. But it was
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also not a portal by which I could go through
to get help. So the joy of award shows were
primarily it used to be people actually went out and
bought clothes for award shows, or you know, if they
didn't buy them, they were lent them by a designer.
But again, it was not an organized activity that became
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something now that has been you know, sort of turned
into a cottage industry. And there are now obviously fabulous
people who do that job, who are celebrities now in
their own right because from doing that job. But in
the time when they weren't, we used to love. We
used to love a good award show. I have subsequently
(27:46):
stopped loving award shows and almost don't even watch them anymore.
But there was a time when we were younger where
awards show season for us as a season, and the
season we exprings have an open telephone line from the
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first hour of the people walking up to the end
of the show. Sometimes we would say things to each other.
Sometimes we would just watch the show and make a uh,
you know. And by the way, I'm sixty two years old.
I apologize now to anyone who didn't know that I
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made fun of them for what they wore and by
the way or what they said on what they said.
But also, you know, heap on to the myriad times
I've now been in the public eye, been wearing fancy
clothes that are not the clothes I wear every day,
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and have publicly spoken at things in unexpected moments, and
I'm sure I it's open season on me too. It's
not under What I'm trying to do is careful. I'm
not standing in judgment like I'm I just think there's
that they are by themselves. Awards shows a very fascinating
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um subculture. Yes, and when we were watching them also,
let's be honest, our families and you yourself, your husband,
my husband were in the movie business and we felt
a little bit like we had a stake of the
proceedings because our friend was in it, or our friends
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shot it or the sound whatever. So we did care more.
And this was before I don't know if your audience
will believe me, this was before the invention of Ryan Seacrest.
So it wasn't organized. There was no cammycam or Manny
cam or pubby cam. It was just rougher and more humble,
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and we watched it also so for the joy event.
You know, we loved a certain movie and we wanted
it to win. It was it was a part of
our life that was a really wonderful, fun funny, snarky, safe,
(30:18):
snarky um silly, not serious, not it was a silly
and fun And then my mother would pick up the
would start calling in every time Angelica Houston was on
screen and say something ridiculous. It was. It was funny,
and we used to do it now. I mean, one
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day I think I was. It was the eve of
the season and I was getting ready. Also, it meant
a lot of a lot of contact with you, which
I always loved, and you said, we're Oh, I'm not
into it anymore, And I thought, uh, what what am
I gonna do? Oh I'm not into that competition. It's
(31:03):
so silly. So I thought, Okay, I guess I'll have
to watch with LORI grad which I did. And by
the way, it's probably that I It just had to
do with well, they're more shows, they're more word shows
now and by the time of the Oscars, it's all.
Everything's a foregone conclusion. It's less exciting. It also just
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it it it obviously my my interests changed and and
I had moved into a different mental space about the
whole idea of all of it. Regard regardless, the other
thing you need to know about us is, and I'm
sure we are not the first friendship to have pet names.
You know. The great thing about being a good friend is,
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of course you're together through thick and thin, and you know,
you suit up and show up for each other, and that,
of course is going to be a chorus of conversation. Um,
you know, as long as this show is on, that
will be a continual conversation about how a friend, how
important that is for friendship. But there's also, as we've
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just discussed, there's this the trivial part of it, which
is actually also fun, the friendship shoes, which are fun
and fabulous, which I like to say you threw years
out because this was like fifteen years ago, probably fourteen
years ago, still have yours of course of course, Um yes,
uh For the uninitiated listener, I'm someone who divests daily. Um,
(32:39):
I'm trying to boil it down to two items. If
she could, she would live in a in a house
designed like by a boat designer, so everything was built in. Yes,
I would live on a boat. She wouldn't have four
black tops, four black bottoms, two pairs of shoes. Is
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and be done. I know. But what I was going
to say is, we have a mutual friend who's also
going to be on this very podcast, the very talented,
very hilariously fighter Janice Hirsch, and we it was a
bit of a triangulation our friendship where you knew Janice,
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and I knew Janice, and I lived in the same
building as Janice for a very long time, and so
that triangulation also occurred where we were both very fond
of her and she of both of us, and she
very quickly we get very Jewish and we start talking
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and we say things like dahl ingling, And what happened
is our little pet name for each other started to
be dalling and then it got shortened the way pet
names get shortened to ling ling. So our families know this.
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Lisa's children know this, My children know this, My husband
Michael knows this. We call each other ling ling, and
she is ling and I am ling because ling is
dahling ling and we it is also I don't have
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that with anybody like that, where that's that is such
a specific thing for you and me, and it's been
that way for twenty five years, and it's it's again
something that is just seeing the word ling. If you
type the word ling into a text or an email,
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it's always immediately I get put there. Now, something that
just came up in the conversation was children. Oh yeah,
um that kids. I got a lot of them. Well,
it's how again another connection. Another connection we met when
both of us. Uh I was newly married Lisa soon
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became newly married Um, and then babies followed. The babies
did follow and Um Lisa. Although it is necessarily it
is a tradition in the Jewish religion to have a godparent.
Now it's more traditional, I think in Catholicism, because you're
the whole idea is that you will basically stand in
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should anything happen to the parents, raise them with an
understanding of ideas and precepts, or raise them in the
church in the church and make sure that they have
a good religious education bringing, which is why it's called
a godparent, that you will connect them to God in
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lieu of the parents should the parent perish, And that's
you choose that person as that now, as you know
Jake Gillen hall I when he became a young actor
and I said to him, who's you know obviously I've
been friends with Naomi and knew Jake when he was tiny,
and I remember when he became an actor and we
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were at the thing and I said, just you know,
I probably didn't a slightly affected accent, and I think
I said something like, look I'm a celebrity godmother. You
haven't need me. You call me, you know my number.
I've been around the blog, I know what I know
my way around show off business, and you feel free
to call. And I think it was referred to for
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a long time as I was his celebrity godmother, until
one day somebody said, hey, I read that you're Jake
jillen Hols godmother. And you know the next thing I know,
I'm now Maggie and Jake's godmother and proud to be.
So it has nothing to do with the religion. It
has really to do with that special friend that is
the friend of the mother who says, look out for
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my kids, like you're the special person in their life
that's going to look out for them. Um. As much
as I am something already, I know I'll get if
I'm a good friend, We'll be right back with more
good friend after this quick break. I know I'll get it.
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I'm a good friend. When Lisa first became pregnant with
her first child, she didn't did you name me godmother
to Sam? You didn't. I thought it was Boco and
then it was Sam. It was Sam. Describe the night
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that he was born oh yes, yes I will, so
just just for context, so that our um listener. Um,
I'm imagining like I'm imagining imagining, I'm imagining one person,
one person. Um, it's and it's not going to be
anyone we're related to. I think, well, I hope we
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have a listener. I hope so. UM. For the uninitiated listener, uh,
I am the godmother of Lisa's three children, UM, Sam, Boco,
and Mazie, and am proudly their godmother and have loved
having that relationship and I want to talk in a
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minute about how that's expanded. But what happened when Sam
was born is I happened not by planning, but I
happened to be brought to New York City for a
promotion for something. I don't know what it was. I
don't really remember. I was doing a lot of commercials.
(38:59):
I might I've been launching something for a commercial, um,
whatever I was doing, and I it's irrelevant. I had
happened to coincide with Lisa being giving birth and being
in the hospital with her baby, and I went to visit.
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And for the uninitiated listener, I can take a picture,
uh pretty well with a camera. I fashion myself a
good photographer. Um, and I love it, and you work
hard at it. By the way, I do work hard
at it, and I get a little sweaty and grumpy.
But I digress. So Lisa had sam Uh. Lisa and
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her husband Stephen were at the hospital. Um, I went
to visit, and you know, I don't you know, you
mentioned something about me being a celebrity, and I, you know,
for for anybody who's listening, for you, one listener, for
you listener, I think if you're listening, you know that.
I don't wake up and look in the mirror and
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go like you're famous. Yeah, I just it's not how
I operate in the world. I just it's I appreciate it,
and I appreciate all the benefits from it and all
the rest of it. But I don't wake up with
that as my primary purpose or primary thought. So because
of that, I just showed up at the hospital and
I went in to take photographs. You wanted to take
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the first wanted to take a photograph. I visited Lisa
and and so she said, well, you're gonna have to.
They're gonna kick everybody out. There was an announcement on
the p A all visitors please leave the floor. The
babies are going to be brought out soon. And you know,
we waited five minutes and then they said, okay, last chance,
all visitors leave because babies are coming up. And so
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I said to Lisa, well what do I do? She said,
go hide in the shower. So I went into the shower.
There was a tiny bathroom and a little shower off
of Lisa's room. So I went in there and had
my camera and it was around my neck and I
was in there and then you heard the announcement babies
are coming out, you know. And so then you know,
a minute later, two minutes later, and knock on the door,
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a nurse said, Hi, here comes Sam, and she wheeled
in the little you know net and I left the room,
left the room, and you know, Lisa was now holding
Sam and I the minute I heard the door shut,
I jumped out of the bathroom. I I was started shooting.
And then I wanted to get that perfect image of
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the new mama with the baby and the husband, and
so I climbed on the bed and stood over Lisa
with my feet on either side. She was like Richard
Avedon at Mount SINAI yeah, let's say it. Richard avedon
a top Mount SINAI okay, and I I you know,
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I stood above her and Stephen and the baby, and
I work with Alca. It's a beautiful amra. I'm clicking away.
You have to set the focus, you have to set
the aperture. It's you know, a little time. You know,
you have to be doing it. I'm not a photojournalist.
I can't just do it in my sleep. And I'm
getting picture, picture, picture, And all of a sudden, the
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door to the room flies open and I jump off
the bed to the right, hit the ground and roll
under the bed. I am now rolled under Lisa's hospital bed,
clutching this camera on a floor, that floor that was
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pretty clean. Maybe it was pretty clean, and just like
in a movie, I could see the feet of the
nurse walk in the room, walk over to the side
of the bed, and I'm I'm hiding under the bed.
I'm breathing, reathing quietly, but you know, I'm trying to
be like And the shoes stop and there's a beat,
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and I hear this. You can come out, Jamie. We
know you're in here, girl. We all saw you come
in and we know you didn't leave, and I rolled
out from the and I looked up at this woman like, Hi,
I'm sorry. I'm from California and this is my best
friend and she just had a baby and I happened
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to be here in New York by accident, and I'm
a photographer and I just wanted to be the first
person to photograph Lisa and her baby. And I'm so sorry,
and I promise I'll leave now. In anyway, they were delightful,
And then the coda to the story just because it's
a shoulder, it's a show a bad friendship. So I mean,
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you have to know that she's really she really it was.
It was a farce. I mean, if Joe Orton had
written it or if I mean it was it was
a moment. Definitely, it was a moment. So jumped and rolled.
I didn't never forget that as long as I live,
just to put the coda on it. Um. The thing
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that happened is that there used to be something called
like twenty four hour photos or what was that place
called photo where you can go in and you could
get it done in an hour. But this one that
you went to was named for David Janssen, for some reason,
was it? Yeah, it was something. It was something where
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I was going to a business thing and I ran
into this place and I gave him a roll of film.
Not my good roll of film, it was another roll
of film. It was from the other little camera, and
I said, can you develop this in an hour? It
used to be it was one hour photo. That's yes.
So I used to be able to get one hour photo.
I would get these photos. And so on my way
(44:50):
back that night, I finished my work and I remember
it was I went and picked up the one hour photo.
Had to do a business dinner, I think, And so
it was about ten o'clock, which for me is the
middle of the night. And I remember pulling up to
this hospital and I'm coming to the door and the
and the security guards said, I'm sorry, visiting visitors hours
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just closed or just ended. And I looked at him.
I may have squeaked a tear out of my I
am an actress, after all, and I it is part
of my job is that when push comes to shove,
I can squeak out a tear. I think I squeaked
out a tear and said to him, my best friend
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had a baby. And I took these pictures and I
just want to give them to her. Please. I'm going
back to California tonight or tomorrow morning. Can I please
just run up? I promise you, I'll be up there
two minutes. I just want to hand her these pictures.
She's never seen a picture of her and her baby.
And I took it and and the guy just looked
(45:59):
at me and was like, come on it. And it
was that moment. I remember, I ran in your room,
I kissed you, I handed you these And this is
before cell phones. We should tell people, oh, yeah, so
I didn't know you were coming. No, no, I just
surprised her. It was late at night. She had just
given birth that day. Here I'm now giving her pictures
to have to be able to give to her family.
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It was it was that moment. It was definitely for me,
a solidifying moment of our friendship um over the years.
It was spectacular and uh, you were spectacular, and you
give me that spectacular baby shower too. I loved that
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moment though, because it really spoke of our friendship and
how I think people go to great links to suit
up and show up for each other. And I think
that's why people will that's why our listeners listening, because
I think they want to connect back to those feelings.
I do think that the pandemic has had an effect
on us, even though we are starting to be able
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to be in each other's company again, the idea of
thinking and talking about friendship and the ways friendship affect
you become part of your life, um most of the
time in a very positive, positive way. Certainly that has
been the case with you and me. Yes, yes, I
think so. I think it's true that in some ways
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our friendship is could be to the to the listener
who doesn't know us, very um, very surprising and very
very reassuring because number one, we kept it going. Number two,
we're not in each other's worlds. Number three we live
(47:48):
far apart, and on and on and um. If you
have a pause in a friendship, or you lose a
friend chip or and there have been time so let's
be honest, I mean, there have been periods of maybe
six months at a time where we have drifted. It's
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not and it's not out of a specific issue. It
was a drift that when we reconnected it it took
a moment or yeah, yeah, we had a we had
a I guess we'd call it a rough patch that
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we didn't know we had until until we talked about it,
and until we talked about it, and then we realized
that some of that distance had actually eroded something and
that needed to be somehow repaired and discussed the way
a good friend would discuss. You wouldn't just jettison the friendship,
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you would you would repair it and talk about it.
And those were hard, and I remember them, and there
were tears. And you know, we both have had very big,
dramatic things happen in our lives where we both were
able to share with each other. Um. The part that
I think is going to be a surprise to the
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listener is that I've also the expansion of the relationship
with my god children has now yielded like a whole
new gentlement in our friendship and our famili's friendship. And
that is this. About two years ago, Um Boco, the
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middle child, my middle child, who lives out in California
and as a comedy writer. Um, when she was home
somehow was going through some stuff that was in her
old room and found a letter that Boco had written me,
her godmother when she was twelve years old. It said
(50:02):
Jamie written on the outside of the envelope. It was
sealed and stamped and stamped, but it didn't have an address,
and it was somehow in a box of stationary or something,
and Lisa sent it to me. Now, when Lisa mentioned
during the podcast that the handwriting is immediate, Lisa's handwriting
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is immediate. I see it. I go, oh, letter from Lisa,
And I ripped it open and in it was this
sealed letter that said Jamie, which I opened and as
I opened it, it was a plaintiff letter from a
twelve year old girl who had made a mistake at
summer camp. Dear Godmother, Jamie. And it goes on to
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say I made a mistake and I feel really bad
and I wish you were here because then you'd be
able to talk to you about it and you'd know
what to say. But whatever, it was a really suite
her fick twelve year olds. It was on La Coste stationary.
What Lisa, what I didn't mention in the non introduction
is that Lisa's big success when she was a young
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young woman was that she wrote the book, The Preppy Handbook.
Now the listener is now going like, well, why didn't
you mention that earlier? Well, it's not who cares. But
as we've talked about, this is about friendship. It isn't
necessarily you know what that friend does, but it's your
main particularly here because your lad a La cost Um,
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you know, alligator on her stationary. And I remember I
called Boco. I said I got your letter, and she said,
I know, right, I don't think remembered what didn't tell her.
But so when I called her and said I got
this letter from Camp from you, and I read it
to her, I said to her, you know, Boco, this
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is a TV show. And what began, as you know, Boco,
this is a TV show at six am when you
called her became a message of this is a podcast.
And we in my little company, Comic Pictures, from which
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this very podcast that we are talking on is produced through.
I started something in my sixties to sort of house
all my ideas. That little idea for a podcast has
become a very successful audible Sorry I heart. They probably
will now kick me off of my heart because I
said no, no, um, but it has become a very
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successful audible scripted comedy podcast for tweens called Letters from
Camp that is written entirely by Boco Haft, Lisa's middle child,
my second godchild in that trifecta of god children. It's amazing.
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That's that's first. It's on you. When I didn't know
what the letter contained, and I said to Boco when
she was here. She hasn't been here since then, by
the way, it's been so long, I said, well, let's
open it and see. No, no, I don't want to.
And I guess when she saw it, she must have
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thought the reason I didn't send it was because I
must have been embarrassed, so I don't want to revisit it.
But I didn't think of embarrassment. I thought of just
how sweet that she was writing to you from camp.
It's certainly it's hard. It's hard for a parent to
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get a kid to write a letter to them, and
it was nice for me to know that you were
somebody she was writing too. And I know you wrote
back to her too, and all the kids. But I
would you know, I was the godmother who would send
you know, Tiger Beat magazines and seventy Tarts and sweet Tarts,
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and then they would right and say that they've confiscated
the sweet tearts because we can't have candy at camp.
And I liked a good care package. I will be
I am that godmother. I am a good care package center.
So I did enjoy that. But out of this letter
has now come possibly a TV show, definitely a podcast,
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and definitely a successful entertain successful entertainment and it's all
written by Boco from this spark of an idea between
the two of us that this could be something other
than just a letter from a twelve year old girl
from camp and so and Sam is the part of it.
And I'm Mazie, who is your youngest who is still
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on the East Coast. I just keep hoping that one
of these days we're gonna lure her out here to
calth on you and then all three will be working
on this show. And um, it will have only been
born because you and I reached our hands out to
each other when we were in our twenties and new
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new life was happening for both of us, and it
was you know, It's one of the most delicious aspects
of our friendship is that we've had enough space to
allow me to now be friends with your children, independent
of you, um, independent of of anything besides my own
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relationship with them. That as always when you're trying to
get somebody to know somebody young, you know you can't
force it. You know, you can simply extend your hand
and say I think you're cool, I love you, I'm
here for you, UM, which is what I try to
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do with people. So but it's it's so amazing to me, um.
And the reason, obviously, the minute I knew I was
going to do a podcast called good Friend, I called
you because it's such a it's such an important relationship
in my life and the distance between us, the difference
(56:22):
in our lives and our backgrounds. Um, the connection that
we made which is indelible, really with each other's families.
You here with Chris particularly me, you know, with your mom,
your dad, your family's story, the the profound dedication to
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your family that you and your children have, and feeling
privileged to be included into them. Um. And you know
that's another aspect of of friendship that is crucial show
is that it's friendship, but it's family. And ultimately you
don't want to just know. I think to be a
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really good friend is I want to know all of it.
I want to know you. I want to know your mom.
I want to know your dad, I want to know
your brothers, I want to know your kids. And that's
how the sort of circle just gets expanded and expanded. Um,
a lot of shoes, it's a lot of shot shot
of people. I will say that, Um, there is a
(57:33):
lovely feeling of warmth. And I think there's probably a
Jewish word for it, a Yiddish word for like this
that I feel when I find out that oh yeah,
Sam composed a sea shanty for you, or oh yeah,
Poco and you have a conference call with the network,
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or oh yeah there. You know, it does feel even
though it may be just a quick work thing, but
you've chosen to work with them, and it's a connection
that is very meaningful to me. I fell I believe
the word is nachus. You are right. I believe you
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get nachus from that knowledge that our good friendship has
borne a good friendship between me and your children. Yes, yes,
and for that I'm grateful to you. I'm I'm getting
so much nachas right now that I have to do keegels.
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You know. The other thing is I okay, I just
have to say I wish I knew your kids better.
I wish I did. I have tremendous feeling of fondness
for them, of course, but it's it's not the universe didn't.
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The universe didn't allow that kind of that. We had
that one trip to the mountains where uh um, there
was a nickname given my child and children, my kids
love him for them. Yeah, but but it's it's I
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think there's a there's look, it's that yep. So we
could do this, obviously, we could do this for a
very long time. What you need to know is that
you are a good friend, Lisa burned back, and I
love you, and I'm grateful that you would take some
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time and um come and talk with my listener at
at my listener, and I wish for anybody listening that
they get friendship shoes with a friend as uh as
good a friend as as Lisa um and me. So
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thank you for beautiful Stay safe, everybody, stay safe listener.
And you know as Prince as as not Prince Archie
mouth Batten Windsor likes to say hi, dre and drive safely,
So weird A good many Good Friend is produced by
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Dylan Fagin and is a production of My Heart Radio
our theme song Good Friend is written, produced, and performed
by Emily King. Don't already, I know, I'll get it
from a good friend. If there's something I don't already,
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