March 31, 2022 • 41 mins
On this episode of Good Friend, Jamie has a conversation with her friends Merrily Eckel and Jan Cox. They make up a triumvirate that originally came together because of their children. Over time, however, the three of them have created a wonderful shared friendship.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If there's something I know, I'll get it. I'm a
good friend. Hi everybody, it's Jamie Lee Curtis. You're listening
to the Good Friend Podcast, presented to you by I
Heart Radio. It's a podcast about friendship, sort of the good,
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the bad, and the ugly, the triumphs of friendship, the
immense connection and emotion of friendship, the laughter and occasionally
the tears. We explore it all in an unscripted, very
free form way with many, many different guests, some I'm
very close friends with, some I've never met. And I
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hope that you will take away from it something that
connects you to your friends, and that the ideas that
we talk about can maybe be taken into your own friendships.
So sit back, or take a walk, or however you listen.
I hope you enjoy it and stay tuned. A locative
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and a good friend. High ladies, This is how easy
this is. We don't do any big formal intro. Oh
what was that? That's the alarm to remind you to
be here? Yeah? Oh good, it worked for the uninitiated listener. Um,
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you are listening to the Good Friend Podcast, and my
guests today are good friends. They are good friends of
each other. They are good friends of mine independent of
each other, and we are Motley crew. Um. So it's
my friend Merrily Echo and Jan Cox um or Jan
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Cox and Merrily Eckle. However, whoever gets top billing, should
we do it alphabetically king it? Yeah? Um. We all
all know each other really well. And it's so interesting
because when I say the word good friends, YouTube just
sort of like boom pop, like right in my head.
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We don't work together per se. We all met in
a place that we live sometimes um primarily around children,
although at least with Merrily and me it was around children,
and of course Jan ultimately was around children, but it
was about I'm trying to figure out, like, what is
the center of the nugget? What is the center of
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the nougat of us? But there's something incredibly magical for
you too. It was definitely you had kids the same
age Boom at that point, and you and I met
a couple of years before, and I told you how
to design your house. Well, but again, there are these themes.
There's fishing, there's houses, there's kids, there's food and the
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love of you know the place where we all met, Yes,
and you know there is connective tissue. I mean, the
reason we're doing this is we've all been isolated. It's
the COVID of it all. This came to me during
COVID and it really starts to talk about what is
the connective tissue about good friends? What does it mean
to be a good friend? And you guys are as
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good a friends as there can be in all of
those areas, I would say, omitting the fishing a thread, Yes,
it's a thread. Um Jan Uh and I met with
Jan at the time husband Nick, who had guided my
at the time and still apparently um husband Chris, who
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had just begun fishing, and so Nick, who was an
expert fisherman, took Chris out and there were some photographs
taken and we stopped by their home to pick them up.
And that's when Jan and I met, and Merrily and
I met in a toy store where we both had
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eighteen month old daughters or they're they're around and a
Carroll doll that was very expensive and set out loud
to knowe in particular, am I really spend over a
hundred dollars on a Carroll doll for my eighteen month
old daughter? And from behind me. I heard this woman say, yeah,
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I did it last week. We all fall into it.
But that's the thing we were growing as mothers. I
think when you meet somebody and you're growing your roots
intertwined with them in that moment, and then you're kind
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of yeah, you're woven together with them forever after that.
If it's a growth period, it seems like you're putting out.
We're trying to figure out do I spend a hundred
bucks on a doll? It's not the money, it's the
m I this person, am I this consumer? Well I've
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told you Jamie this recently when she and Chris were
on their honeymoon. Is actually the first contact that I
ever had with her, which was, you know, a good
half a year before we actually met. But she came
rushing over to me and asked me who cut my hair? Yes,
I do remember that when I was still living in
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San Francisco. And then years and years and years later,
one of her again good friends, not connected, lives in
San Francisco, and coincidentally, they still get the haircut by
that same guy. If you're short, then you guys all
had long hair, no no, no short, no short. It
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was a good haircut. That's exactly right. It's it's the
intertwining of things out of necessity in that moment writing
a young mother, when you try to find people, how
who do you go to end? Just for the uninitiated listener,
And by the way, ladies, I I know we have one.
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So I do speak to someone listening to us. I
can't tell you how many, but I don't think it
seems to be listening. Well, Dylan is is the secret
Dylan is no, no, no, no, no, you needn't worry.
Dylan is the secret sauce. But beyond Dylan, who is
the conduit um, who is the connector of our doughts?
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There's a listener out there listening. That's the nature of
a podcast. So for the uninitiated right now? Are they
listening right now? No? I didn't have an esthetic life.
I was not raised around food um culture. Particularly my
mother didn't eat. I didn't know how to do very much.
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And I am, as you both have experienced, I'm someone
who I'm a bit of a barnacle. I'm a bit
of a vampire. I'm a little bit of a life vampire.
Because both of you were women who I just was like, oh,
I want to know everything that you do. I felt
that immediately with you, Merrily, and the same thing to
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know she seems to know what she's doing. That's the
most attractive thing there is in a woman for me.
You look at somebody and if she seems to know
what she's doing, you just step in line behind her.
That's what I do. Yeah. But plus, you know, we
could all be funny together too, and I don't want
to do any of that other stuff if it's not,
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you know, somewhat funny. Yes, you had you guys each
had names for each other. I didn't have the name,
but what was your names for each other? They came
from from right, yea, they came from whatever happened to
baby Jake and and Jane. Yeah, I'm Jane obviously, and
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then she was blanched. But when we were at thirty
and forty, we were blanched and Jane, this was before
we were legitimately old crowns, right, But I was so
Merrily and I bonded over our daughters, Grace and Annie,
and immediately it was you know, Merrily who was also
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raised in Los Angeles, who who also went to this
mountain area annually, and yet somehow we were virtually the
same age, were very similar types of people, and somehow
we never connected except in a toy store about this
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doll um. And it was a fast and immediate like,
oh mg, there you are. Like I have been looking
for a friend with a child to guide and two,
as you said, have fun and to have a friend.
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You know, being a mom is really lonely, isolating. It's
the only time I was ever depressed. Yeah, all of
this is about being moms really. Yeah, and it's it's lonely.
I think I found a lot of it was lonely. Yeah,
very lonely. The first couple of years, you're called out
of the herd and you haven't found your new herd yet.
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That's what I mean by a growth period. You're so
vulnerable and you're looking for your new herd. And you
were very definitely member of my herd. Yeah. And then Jan.
It was funny because then Jan and I connected up.
And Jan is, you know, a designer. She's an artist,
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she's a photographer, she's a builder, she's architect. She's the
most delicious I was going to say cooker, which is
like he tells you, you know, she knows what she's
doing in a kitchen and knows how to present it
and prepare it in such a delicious way, with such
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ease and such generosity, and it's always gorgeous and has
exquisite taste. But then we got to do it all
together too well. But that's my point is So then
you and I connected about that, and I was going
to publish a book called copy Jan, which I think
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any friends do is they find the person that has
that exquisite taste, and then that's the person that guides
all of those decisions. And so I wanted to do
you remember this, Jan, I wanted to literally do a
coffee table book at the time when people had coffee tables,
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like covid did away with coffee tables. But and it
would have been like, Hi, this is Jan, this is
where Jan lives, this is how Jan lives, this is
what Jen uh because and now and now I can
do it on Instagram, yes exactly, and now well and
you can create it yourself, which was at the time
when there wasn't that that as much self curation. So
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I but you and I bonded and we had some
adventures on our own merrily, and I had bonded over
our children, had adventures of our own. And then because
you both live in the mountains, and I don't I
triangulated because I remember bringing I remember bringing this into
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a triangle, and triangles are tricky, you know, triangle relationships
can be tricky for people. And I just wanted to
ask you each individually sort of did that ever? Did
that ever get complicated for you? Or you pretty clear
from it? So, Jan, what would be your response? No, Um,
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I wouldn't probably have gotten close enough to realize that
Merly could be a good friend without you. We might
have met because of you know, small town, etcetera. But um,
you know, the triangulation is not has never been a problem.
But see, I'm kind of weird because I exp expect
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to become friends with my friends friends more than actually happened. Um,
both ways, both way. I would expect you to like
somebody that I liked, and and vice versa. And of
course I've met you know a fair amount of your
friends through the years, and I like a whole bunch
of them, but probably Mary and I are the only
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ones that are actually friends, good good friends. Oh, I've
just always known you liked her better, So I just
gave you guys space to be the prime relationships. I
keep from triangulating. No, I mean I don't think we've
ever I don't think we've ever tripped over stuff in
in a bad way. I mean, I don't think. But
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I obviously there are people listening. We hope who this
happens to. You know, people do get into triangle relationships.
And then the thing that has been interesting is that
you both live there, and so you two get to
do more quote Titian things with each other because you're
they're more in a quote Titian way, whereas I pop
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in and out that it still means the relationship is great,
but it's it's slightly separate that if I was living there,
is my point. But but again, one of the things
about being good friends is that it's instant. When you
get back together with people, it's if there's no there's
no gap, you know, it's it's as if you were
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always there. And but I also think that we've all
been respectfully separate from each other too, you know, yes,
we're not necessarily ameshed in that way. That then can
become complicated because it's it's hard to actually de tangle
everybody Merrily also has another child. You have grandchildren, U
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Merrily has grandchildren. Now I don't have grandchildren. People listening,
but I'm hoping someday to have grandchildren. But I think
each of our individual lives have had Jan has focused
so much about art, and Um Merrily has focused and
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has run a company for since I know you. So
that's thirty long, thirty plus years. You've run a small business, Um.
And we were never are dependent on one another, and
so there's nothing threatening, do you know what I mean?
We are so independent and we come together only for enjoyment.
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We are not each other's sounding boards, we are not
each other's hand holders. I come to you, I mean, Jamie,
I come to you for love that I know is
always there. But if I have a hands down, flat
out emergency, like I did this spring, I thought my
son was terribly ill, and I would have called my
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mother if she were alive, because I would have known
she's resourceful, who knows what she's doing, and she can
help if I'm really in trouble. And that was actually you,
and I was amazed. I was as surprised, you know,
as you were that I called you, Hey, Hi, my
son sick, really sick. What do you think? What should
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I do? Should I come to l A can you
find me a doctor? That was a surprise is for
me because that's not really who we've been. We don't
carry each other, but I've always known that that you
are completely always acknowledge um that the possibility. I haven't
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had that specific thing, but I certainly know. And again
I think we know we can come to each other
for whatever expertise and help. You know, if you know
that you that you would feel that you would need.
But isn't that spectacular? Yeah, it's just I mean that
to me just is so cool and thrilling that as
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adult women we aren't like to say that we what
you said merrily and not haven't even on a scale
of zero to a hundred, not even have one percent
of m coloring with feelings attached to it. That somehow
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it's a disappointment because you can't pop in and out
of each other's lives if you then have to carry
all the disappointment every time you visit, every time you connect,
if you have to. I joked earlier on in one
episode of the podcast that my beautiful mom, sweet Janet,
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couldn't help herself, couldn't help herself. So if I called
her after maybe not talking to her for ten days,
let's just say ten days for whatever reason, something was
going on. It was either work or Anny or Chris
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or something or travel or whatever the effort was. And
I called my mom and I picked up the phone
and went Hi, Mom. That what I would have gotten
was oh, hello, which is the baggage of you haven't
called me in ten days. I'm you know, and she
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Our relationship was not one where I could go, Mom,
stop right away. Why you know, I would just have
to sort of look, I'm sorry, I haven't called. I've
been really busy and I We never had that as friends,
the three of us. I don't think there was one
time and no trepidation, no thinking in advance. I can't call, no, no.
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But also, I mean coincidentally, we all knew, all three
of us each other's moms too. Yes, you didn't know
anybody until you've met their mother. Well yeah, and at
me their grandmother. We didn't spend tons and tons of time,
but we still we knew it. We knew this. You
know everyone's backstory. You know, you guys can see my
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mom right when you look at me, you see NAT's
well here. But also think the moms also really did
like knowing all of us that way too. Oh yeah,
that's beautiful. I haven't thought of that before. That's really
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thrilling to me to think that you're right. Yeah, I mean,
my mom was crazy about both of you. Whenever we
were with your mother, it was just she was again,
it was just perfect. It was seeing the whole, the
whole story, and obviously she was super sweet. But I
think that us not putting those trips on each other
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is just the way we are. I mean, I think
it's just the natural thing. It's not like you know
what wasn't like an know. But by the way, it
isn't the same with everyone. I have friends who I
know if I haven't talked to them that we're gonna
have to I don't like to use this term, but
we have to. We're gonna have to unpack see the receipts.
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You know. I have stopped um for the exposure of
what we're trying to do. What I'm trying to do
with this is I have stopped explaining myself. I am
sixty two years old. If you know me, you know
I'm trying to do something, and I don't want to
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anymore explain. If you don't know me well enough and
you don't know that I'm going for something, and if
I'm not around and it's not been an egregious disregard
of you, then you have to cut me the slack.
You have to make this space. I think that's a great,
you know, energy boost, you know, to not to not
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feel you have to do that something. I'm a good friend.
We'll be right back with more good friend after this
quick break, so stick around and we'll get it. I'm
a good friend. I don't know anything. Um. I want
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to ask each of you individually, So Jan when you
were little, yes, did you make friends easily? Do you
still have those friends? To talk to us a little
bit about your early life and friends. I never had
a problem making friends, but my parents moved a lot,
and so my family were we were friends within the
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family and within the family. My my father and mother
and brother and I spent a lot of time together,
uh in situations where we just didn't have the access
to other friends and did a really good job with that.
And so I don't have friends from grade school. UM,
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I do have you know, a couple of high school friends,
a couple of college friends. But I'm you're, you're, you're
such a wonderful friend maker and friend keeper, and I'm um,
I don't need as main friends. And I've been, in
fact remiss in letting people sort of slide away, I
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mean obviously when one separated geographically, and so I don't
have a you know, as clear a path with friends,
I guess, I would say. And and of course now
I'm old enough where I've lost a bunch and I've
actually made a few new ones in the last few years,
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which I will really appreciate. And um, then I mean,
but this year, I obviously do really well in isolation.
I'm busy, I'm not lonely. I'll those things. But I'm
very physically separated, um from friends, because I don't have
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that many here where we live. The same with you.
First of all, I was born on a ranch, you know,
with was four or five miles up a canyon in
central California. There was nobody and there was no TV
and there were no distractions, and you know, I had
a gun and quote of squirrels I was required to kill.
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If it's a long story, but but you have more
brothers and sisters, and sisters think ghastly. We moved to
l A and into a neighborhood. It wasn't even a neighborhood,
you know. It was hilly, that terrible kind of houses
are far away, and I just went on Safari. I
got friends, not only for myself. I got friends from
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my little sister. I found families. I just kind of
went on Safari. I just went hunting in my neighborhood
for people to connect to, because that's what I wanted.
And I've kept every important connection I've ever made. Yeah,
you're somebody who definitely I know knows a lot of
people from your past. You've mentioned them many many times
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that I just grabbed people. I grabbed you grabbed When
you say you went on Safari in that you collected them?
Did you not have that from school? It was more
from your sort of culling your own just me hitting
the road and finding you know, just I wandered the neighborhood.
We were not very supervised, and I would hear children's
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voices and go along and just play. Henry was that
kind of child too. We were just and he's an
extreme extrovert too, in that Myers Briggs. But you married
and had Grace and jan you married Nick and had
O'Brien and Alexander and Um and settled in a in
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a sort of not isol of a lovely mountain town
in a mountain world with with you know, seasons obviously,
and it's interesting because it would be hard to understand
primarily in that safari way of looking for people, as
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you said, you did that with Terry when you met
in in the mountains. Yeah, Um and I I have
found or felt since we all knew each other. The
distance has made it possible so that we don't have
the guilt and carry all of that. But at the
same time, there's something so there was something so fresh
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about what it felt like to be around the three
of us together. I don't have that with anybody else.
I have friends, but I don't have that freshness of
these three individual women and their lives and how we
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connected up as friends. I mean, partially that's because of
not being together in the same town all the time,
I'm sure, but it's just it's just the chemistry. It's
just the chemistry. I mean again, obviously you're making me
think about um these formations and you know, that I
haven't been. But I up until recently always had a gang. Um,
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and I've had several. I mean I had I had
a gang in when we lived in northern California when
my kids were younger before moving here, and then you know,
I had several gangs. Well I had, Yeah, I had
a gang in my twenties and I had and then
up here I had one that has dissipated. Uh. And
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I really like that. But I mean, obviously that's totally
different than you know, really close close friendships. She likes groups.
Jan likes groups. She had a great time in Venice
because half of the hotel she was staying at. Well,
I have a new gang. I have a new gang. Well,
I've had a gang there for a while, but I have, yeah,
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an expanded gang I have. I have I've had gangs
in New York. You have bandanas? Do tag? Uh? No something?
A good friend. We'll be right back with more good
friend after this quick break. Don't I find that female friendships,
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particularly female friendships, they are a source for me of
so many things from music, the arts, food, tactile, like,
there's so many things I go to my friends and
the two of you are women who have such definitive
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ways of doing things that immediately I wanted not only
to copy, but sort of inculcate into me and make
part of me. I am. I am a direct result
of my relationship with the two of you, bringing to
mind the fact that your mother was also a cancer
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and in fact born on my same day, right, and
I also I am a cancer. And again there is
a mother, like there's a from both sides. But I
didn't have a sister. I have a brother. Uh My.
I had very interesting uh parents and grandparents, and my
mother and my grandmother were neither one of them typical females.
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Um in that my grandmother was a brilliant professor and
traveler and character, and my mother was a musician and
again you know, very very interesting, very well read, random
business um. And you know, we're in control of their finances.
Then I went to a girl's school for about seven
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years and was basically, you know, kept away from any
kind of co ed situation. So of course all I
wanted to do was get to play with the boys.
And so I think that hampered me from being drawn
to women in general as friends. I am drawn to
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funny women and creative women, but um, I don't have
at all any similar point of view as as you do, Jamie.
On women friends. Mhm, and what were you saying, Merle?
You said you similar moms, didn't we? I mean, well,
you could look at him from a remove. We look
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for features in our female friends that have to do
with our relationship with our mothers. For sure. I like
women who know what they're doing. My mom knew what
she was doing. I have almost no tolerance at all
for a lovely, sweet, passive woman. I just can't help it.
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She doesn't register for me, which is terrible. I mean,
that's half of my gender I'm missing out on. But
I don't That's not what I look for. I look
for women who seem to know what they're doing. I
think that's fascinating. I mean, yeah, I I too. Both
of you are the examples. Um, you know, competence and
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real talents, real tactile talents. You know. Okay, jan, if
I was to throw out a number, how many times
have you made a vinegarette in front of me into
a jar to show me how you make vinegarette? How
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many times? A hundred times, fifty times? I have taken videos,
I have written it down. I have, and I've only
recently been able to make a proper vinegarette. And I
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want to know people who know how to do stuff.
I want to know people who who can turn a
space merrily. When you bought that house in town and
you transformed it, I remember thinking like, oh my wow,
look at what she does. I mean, every place you've
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ever lived, Jan has that like in Spain, it's it's
it's it is an element of I mean, Jan Hash
lives in a spectacular structure home in a very remote
area in the mountains, designed by a I mean we
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can say Tom Kundig. It's a very spectacular home. And
as you know, Jan, I was as interested in that
process I had built a home and yet who documented
you every step of the way. I have pictures of
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you when you know the excavation was being do that
you happened to be here in the pit. It's because
I wanted to see the whole thing. Obviously, I'm super
drawn to competence and guts and all of that, uh
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in whomever. But yes, obviously it's there's just a reality
to it that I'm sure we were all drawn to
because again, we didn't have to work at becoming friends.
I don't know why either is It is very strange
now that we think about it. You know, the meeting,
How did that actually happen? When did we start hanging out?
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We did dinners together, I guess, And yeah, you wouldn't
both and we would both show up and there was
not any competition because we knew what we were doing.
That's the but that's crucial here. But I mean then
when Jamie, when the bad earthquake came and you couldn't
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reach your sister and you called me in Idaho to
rendezvous with your sister, you know, to tell her that
you were okay. You know all that. I was a
very organized person, but I was the least talented in
the sort of kilinary arts and certainly the the way
of I. I was thinking about going up to the lake.
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There's a lake near where we all live, and we
would do those wonderful weekends up at the lake, and
what each person was able to bring there wasn't a competition.
And I think I think, probably if I really boiled
down the whole thing, that we were three separate women
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with separate careers, separate um other friends, separate uh interests
maybe and yet we weren't a threat to the other.
There wasn't any cross pollination with our men, and we
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had confidence that when we did these things. Yeah, and
I think that's what people when they are talking about friendship,
I think have being fun because I've also, by the way,
spoken to people who have, like all of us, have
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lost our moms and who have walked, you know, each
of us walking through the losses because life happens to
everybody is you know, nobody gets out alive, nobody gets
out unscathed. Everybody We've all had our turn horrible things
that have happened in our lives, and we've all been
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there with each other in some form during those in
in you know, bearing witness, being the supporting each other
as friends. But ultimately, at the end of the day,
I think it's the idea that we're not in competition
with each other and that that has allowed this to
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really yeah flow well. And then I think then you
just have a Then you just have a confidence that
you just can move through whatever. I love it, by
the way. I love I love us, I love us,
and I'm still waiting for the grandchild so that I
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can have that experience because you guys have shown me
how to do that. Both of you have shown me
again how to do that, because there are a lot
of people who don't do it the way you guys
do it, and I want to do it the way
you guys do it. I want to do it. And
that's different because our kids have different needs. Uh, and
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I mean merrily super super hands on. I'm hands on
when needed. My eldest grandchild is sixteen today, sweet sixteen.
What a good one he is, but merrily babysits long
distance No, hilariously do his parents. I mean if I
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have only had my daughter as a woman friend when
we all knew each other, so that I would know that, Yeah,
waking up when your children wake up is optional. Give
them the iPad and let them FaceTime nanny, we play legos,
we talk. And now that he's older, he's seven and
(37:19):
he can function because when I first realized what was
going on, his parents are asleep and he's found his
mom's phone and what he does is pick up the phone,
pushed the button for Syrian, say call mom because it's
Grace's phone, and there is FaceTime FaceTime mom, and hey,
they're asleep, and see that. That's what I'm saying, I
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now am looking forward when and if one of my
children decide to provide me with a grandchild. I now
I have you guys, and you guys are the ones
I would go to. And so when I knew I
was going to do this show, I was like, Okay,
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you two are sort of because it's not just sort
of like Jamie and her friends. I've interviewed people I've
never met. I mean literally, because I met a woman today,
so Emily King, whose song is the theme song for
the show called Good Friend. Um. I met her today.
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I've never I've spoken to her on the phone once
when I asked her Twitter stalked her and found her
and d m her so that she would call me
so that I could ask her about securing the song
to be the title song of the show. But I
have never met her, and she is friends with another
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friend of mine, and I didn't know they were friends
until I saw something on Instagram of the two of them.
I was at, wait, you know each other, and then
the three of us met today. So I've I've interviewed
people I don't know. UM. Obviously, I didn't want it
to just be Jamie and her friends. On the Good
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Friend Podcast. But you two are so deeply essential to
who I am as a woman and a mom and
a wife and a and as a person, and I
it would not have been a good Friend podcast without
the two view. And so I am grateful that you
guys would be here with me. And it was pretty easy.
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Didn't feel scary, no no, and you Jan, you were
about to say something well when you introduced the concept.
Then I immediately started fretting because, um, not because of
talking to you, but because I feel like I've not
got that any friends. And I feel and I feel
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guilty about it. Um that that again, that I've allowed
some friends to sort of drift away. And so it was.
It's an interesting it's an interesting subject matter to think, yes,
and I'm happy that we did it. So for the listeners,
for my one listener or more than one listener, my
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friend Merrily Echo and Jan Cox have come here to
talk about us as a friendship triumvirate. And um, you've
been listening to the Good Friend Podcast, and God bless
you all, and stay safe out there and tune in
again if you want. Thanks a lot, I'm a good man.
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is written, produced, and performed by Emily King. YEH done already,
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If there's something I know, I'll get it. I'm a
good friend. Hi everybody, it's Jamie Lee Curtis. You're listening
to the Good Friend Podcast, presented to you by I
Heart Radio. It's a podcast about friendship, sort of the good,
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the bad, and the ugly, the triumphs of friendship, the
immense connection and emotion of friendship, the laughter and occasionally
the tears. We explore it all in an unscripted, very
free form way with many, many different guests, some I'm
very close friends with, some I've never met. And I
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hope that you will take away from it something that
connects you to your friends, and that the ideas that
we talk about can maybe be taken into your own friendships.
So sit back, or take a walk, or however you listen.
I hope you enjoy it and stay tuned. A locative
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and a good friend. High ladies, This is how easy
this is. We don't do any big formal intro. Oh
what was that? That's the alarm to remind you to
be here? Yeah? Oh good, it worked for the uninitiated listener. Um,
(01:28):
you are listening to the Good Friend Podcast, and my
guests today are good friends. They are good friends of
each other. They are good friends of mine independent of
each other, and we are Motley crew. Um. So it's
my friend Merrily Echo and Jan Cox um or Jan
(01:50):
Cox and Merrily Eckle. However, whoever gets top billing, should
we do it alphabetically king it? Yeah? Um. We all
all know each other really well. And it's so interesting
because when I say the word good friends, YouTube just
sort of like boom pop, like right in my head.
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We don't work together per se. We all met in
a place that we live sometimes um primarily around children,
although at least with Merrily and me it was around children,
and of course Jan ultimately was around children, but it
was about I'm trying to figure out, like, what is
the center of the nugget? What is the center of
(02:34):
the nougat of us? But there's something incredibly magical for
you too. It was definitely you had kids the same
age Boom at that point, and you and I met
a couple of years before, and I told you how
to design your house. Well, but again, there are these themes.
There's fishing, there's houses, there's kids, there's food and the
(02:59):
love of you know the place where we all met, Yes,
and you know there is connective tissue. I mean, the
reason we're doing this is we've all been isolated. It's
the COVID of it all. This came to me during
COVID and it really starts to talk about what is
the connective tissue about good friends? What does it mean
to be a good friend? And you guys are as
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good a friends as there can be in all of
those areas, I would say, omitting the fishing a thread, Yes,
it's a thread. Um Jan Uh and I met with
Jan at the time husband Nick, who had guided my
at the time and still apparently um husband Chris, who
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had just begun fishing, and so Nick, who was an
expert fisherman, took Chris out and there were some photographs
taken and we stopped by their home to pick them up.
And that's when Jan and I met, and Merrily and
I met in a toy store where we both had
(04:08):
eighteen month old daughters or they're they're around and a
Carroll doll that was very expensive and set out loud
to knowe in particular, am I really spend over a
hundred dollars on a Carroll doll for my eighteen month
old daughter? And from behind me. I heard this woman say, yeah,
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I did it last week. We all fall into it.
But that's the thing we were growing as mothers. I
think when you meet somebody and you're growing your roots
intertwined with them in that moment, and then you're kind
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of yeah, you're woven together with them forever after that.
If it's a growth period, it seems like you're putting out.
We're trying to figure out do I spend a hundred
bucks on a doll? It's not the money, it's the
m I this person, am I this consumer? Well I've
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told you Jamie this recently when she and Chris were
on their honeymoon. Is actually the first contact that I
ever had with her, which was, you know, a good
half a year before we actually met. But she came
rushing over to me and asked me who cut my hair? Yes,
I do remember that when I was still living in
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San Francisco. And then years and years and years later,
one of her again good friends, not connected, lives in
San Francisco, and coincidentally, they still get the haircut by
that same guy. If you're short, then you guys all
had long hair, no no, no short, no short. It
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was a good haircut. That's exactly right. It's it's the
intertwining of things out of necessity in that moment writing
a young mother, when you try to find people, how
who do you go to end? Just for the uninitiated listener,
And by the way, ladies, I I know we have one.
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So I do speak to someone listening to us. I
can't tell you how many, but I don't think it
seems to be listening. Well, Dylan is is the secret
Dylan is no, no, no, no, no, you needn't worry.
Dylan is the secret sauce. But beyond Dylan, who is
the conduit um, who is the connector of our doughts?
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There's a listener out there listening. That's the nature of
a podcast. So for the uninitiated right now? Are they
listening right now? No? I didn't have an esthetic life.
I was not raised around food um culture. Particularly my
mother didn't eat. I didn't know how to do very much.
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And I am, as you both have experienced, I'm someone
who I'm a bit of a barnacle. I'm a bit
of a vampire. I'm a little bit of a life vampire.
Because both of you were women who I just was like, oh,
I want to know everything that you do. I felt
that immediately with you, Merrily, and the same thing to
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know she seems to know what she's doing. That's the
most attractive thing there is in a woman for me.
You look at somebody and if she seems to know
what she's doing, you just step in line behind her.
That's what I do. Yeah. But plus, you know, we
could all be funny together too, and I don't want
to do any of that other stuff if it's not,
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you know, somewhat funny. Yes, you had you guys each
had names for each other. I didn't have the name,
but what was your names for each other? They came
from from right, yea, they came from whatever happened to
baby Jake and and Jane. Yeah, I'm Jane obviously, and
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then she was blanched. But when we were at thirty
and forty, we were blanched and Jane, this was before
we were legitimately old crowns, right, But I was so
Merrily and I bonded over our daughters, Grace and Annie,
and immediately it was you know, Merrily who was also
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raised in Los Angeles, who who also went to this
mountain area annually, and yet somehow we were virtually the
same age, were very similar types of people, and somehow
we never connected except in a toy store about this
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doll um. And it was a fast and immediate like,
oh mg, there you are. Like I have been looking
for a friend with a child to guide and two,
as you said, have fun and to have a friend.
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You know, being a mom is really lonely, isolating. It's
the only time I was ever depressed. Yeah, all of
this is about being moms really. Yeah, and it's it's lonely.
I think I found a lot of it was lonely. Yeah,
very lonely. The first couple of years, you're called out
of the herd and you haven't found your new herd yet.
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That's what I mean by a growth period. You're so
vulnerable and you're looking for your new herd. And you
were very definitely member of my herd. Yeah. And then Jan.
It was funny because then Jan and I connected up.
And Jan is, you know, a designer. She's an artist,
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she's a photographer, she's a builder, she's architect. She's the
most delicious I was going to say cooker, which is
like he tells you, you know, she knows what she's
doing in a kitchen and knows how to present it
and prepare it in such a delicious way, with such
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ease and such generosity, and it's always gorgeous and has
exquisite taste. But then we got to do it all
together too well. But that's my point is So then
you and I connected about that, and I was going
to publish a book called copy Jan, which I think
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any friends do is they find the person that has
that exquisite taste, and then that's the person that guides
all of those decisions. And so I wanted to do
you remember this, Jan, I wanted to literally do a
coffee table book at the time when people had coffee tables,
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like covid did away with coffee tables. But and it
would have been like, Hi, this is Jan, this is
where Jan lives, this is how Jan lives, this is
what Jen uh because and now and now I can
do it on Instagram, yes exactly, and now well and
you can create it yourself, which was at the time
when there wasn't that that as much self curation. So
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I but you and I bonded and we had some
adventures on our own merrily, and I had bonded over
our children, had adventures of our own. And then because
you both live in the mountains, and I don't I
triangulated because I remember bringing I remember bringing this into
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a triangle, and triangles are tricky, you know, triangle relationships
can be tricky for people. And I just wanted to
ask you each individually sort of did that ever? Did
that ever get complicated for you? Or you pretty clear
from it? So, Jan, what would be your response? No, Um,
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I wouldn't probably have gotten close enough to realize that
Merly could be a good friend without you. We might
have met because of you know, small town, etcetera. But um,
you know, the triangulation is not has never been a problem.
But see, I'm kind of weird because I exp expect
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to become friends with my friends friends more than actually happened. Um,
both ways, both way. I would expect you to like
somebody that I liked, and and vice versa. And of
course I've met you know a fair amount of your
friends through the years, and I like a whole bunch
of them, but probably Mary and I are the only
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ones that are actually friends, good good friends. Oh, I've
just always known you liked her better, So I just
gave you guys space to be the prime relationships. I
keep from triangulating. No, I mean I don't think we've
ever I don't think we've ever tripped over stuff in
in a bad way. I mean, I don't think. But
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I obviously there are people listening. We hope who this
happens to. You know, people do get into triangle relationships.
And then the thing that has been interesting is that
you both live there, and so you two get to
do more quote Titian things with each other because you're
they're more in a quote Titian way, whereas I pop
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in and out that it still means the relationship is great,
but it's it's slightly separate that if I was living there,
is my point. But but again, one of the things
about being good friends is that it's instant. When you
get back together with people, it's if there's no there's
no gap, you know, it's it's as if you were
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always there. And but I also think that we've all
been respectfully separate from each other too, you know, yes,
we're not necessarily ameshed in that way. That then can
become complicated because it's it's hard to actually de tangle
everybody Merrily also has another child. You have grandchildren, U
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Merrily has grandchildren. Now I don't have grandchildren. People listening,
but I'm hoping someday to have grandchildren. But I think
each of our individual lives have had Jan has focused
so much about art, and Um Merrily has focused and
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has run a company for since I know you. So
that's thirty long, thirty plus years. You've run a small business, Um.
And we were never are dependent on one another, and
so there's nothing threatening, do you know what I mean?
We are so independent and we come together only for enjoyment.
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We are not each other's sounding boards, we are not
each other's hand holders. I come to you, I mean, Jamie,
I come to you for love that I know is
always there. But if I have a hands down, flat
out emergency, like I did this spring, I thought my
son was terribly ill, and I would have called my
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mother if she were alive, because I would have known
she's resourceful, who knows what she's doing, and she can
help if I'm really in trouble. And that was actually you,
and I was amazed. I was as surprised, you know,
as you were that I called you, Hey, Hi, my
son sick, really sick. What do you think? What should
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I do? Should I come to l A can you
find me a doctor? That was a surprise is for
me because that's not really who we've been. We don't
carry each other, but I've always known that that you
are completely always acknowledge um that the possibility. I haven't
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had that specific thing, but I certainly know. And again
I think we know we can come to each other
for whatever expertise and help. You know, if you know
that you that you would feel that you would need.
But isn't that spectacular? Yeah, it's just I mean that
to me just is so cool and thrilling that as
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adult women we aren't like to say that we what
you said merrily and not haven't even on a scale
of zero to a hundred, not even have one percent
of m coloring with feelings attached to it. That somehow
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it's a disappointment because you can't pop in and out
of each other's lives if you then have to carry
all the disappointment every time you visit, every time you connect,
if you have to. I joked earlier on in one
episode of the podcast that my beautiful mom, sweet Janet,
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couldn't help herself, couldn't help herself. So if I called
her after maybe not talking to her for ten days,
let's just say ten days for whatever reason, something was
going on. It was either work or Anny or Chris
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or something or travel or whatever the effort was. And
I called my mom and I picked up the phone
and went Hi, Mom. That what I would have gotten
was oh, hello, which is the baggage of you haven't
called me in ten days. I'm you know, and she
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Our relationship was not one where I could go, Mom,
stop right away. Why you know, I would just have
to sort of look, I'm sorry, I haven't called. I've
been really busy and I We never had that as friends,
the three of us. I don't think there was one
time and no trepidation, no thinking in advance. I can't call, no, no.
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But also, I mean coincidentally, we all knew, all three
of us each other's moms too. Yes, you didn't know
anybody until you've met their mother. Well yeah, and at
me their grandmother. We didn't spend tons and tons of time,
but we still we knew it. We knew this. You
know everyone's backstory. You know, you guys can see my
(18:54):
mom right when you look at me, you see NAT's
well here. But also think the moms also really did
like knowing all of us that way too. Oh yeah,
that's beautiful. I haven't thought of that before. That's really
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thrilling to me to think that you're right. Yeah, I mean,
my mom was crazy about both of you. Whenever we
were with your mother, it was just she was again,
it was just perfect. It was seeing the whole, the
whole story, and obviously she was super sweet. But I
think that us not putting those trips on each other
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is just the way we are. I mean, I think
it's just the natural thing. It's not like you know
what wasn't like an know. But by the way, it
isn't the same with everyone. I have friends who I
know if I haven't talked to them that we're gonna
have to I don't like to use this term, but
we have to. We're gonna have to unpack see the receipts.
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You know. I have stopped um for the exposure of
what we're trying to do. What I'm trying to do
with this is I have stopped explaining myself. I am
sixty two years old. If you know me, you know
I'm trying to do something, and I don't want to
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anymore explain. If you don't know me well enough and
you don't know that I'm going for something, and if
I'm not around and it's not been an egregious disregard
of you, then you have to cut me the slack.
You have to make this space. I think that's a great,
you know, energy boost, you know, to not to not
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feel you have to do that something. I'm a good friend.
We'll be right back with more good friend after this
quick break, so stick around and we'll get it. I'm
a good friend. I don't know anything. Um. I want
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to ask each of you individually, So Jan when you
were little, yes, did you make friends easily? Do you
still have those friends? To talk to us a little
bit about your early life and friends. I never had
a problem making friends, but my parents moved a lot,
and so my family were we were friends within the
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family and within the family. My my father and mother
and brother and I spent a lot of time together,
uh in situations where we just didn't have the access
to other friends and did a really good job with that.
And so I don't have friends from grade school. UM,
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I do have you know, a couple of high school friends,
a couple of college friends. But I'm you're, you're, you're
such a wonderful friend maker and friend keeper, and I'm um,
I don't need as main friends. And I've been, in
fact remiss in letting people sort of slide away, I
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mean obviously when one separated geographically, and so I don't
have a you know, as clear a path with friends,
I guess, I would say. And and of course now
I'm old enough where I've lost a bunch and I've
actually made a few new ones in the last few years,
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which I will really appreciate. And um, then I mean,
but this year, I obviously do really well in isolation.
I'm busy, I'm not lonely. I'll those things. But I'm
very physically separated, um from friends, because I don't have
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that many here where we live. The same with you.
First of all, I was born on a ranch, you know,
with was four or five miles up a canyon in
central California. There was nobody and there was no TV
and there were no distractions, and you know, I had
a gun and quote of squirrels I was required to kill.
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If it's a long story, but but you have more
brothers and sisters, and sisters think ghastly. We moved to
l A and into a neighborhood. It wasn't even a neighborhood,
you know. It was hilly, that terrible kind of houses
are far away, and I just went on Safari. I
got friends, not only for myself. I got friends from
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my little sister. I found families. I just kind of
went on Safari. I just went hunting in my neighborhood
for people to connect to, because that's what I wanted.
And I've kept every important connection I've ever made. Yeah,
you're somebody who definitely I know knows a lot of
people from your past. You've mentioned them many many times
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that I just grabbed people. I grabbed you grabbed When
you say you went on Safari in that you collected them?
Did you not have that from school? It was more
from your sort of culling your own just me hitting
the road and finding you know, just I wandered the neighborhood.
We were not very supervised, and I would hear children's
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voices and go along and just play. Henry was that
kind of child too. We were just and he's an
extreme extrovert too, in that Myers Briggs. But you married
and had Grace and jan you married Nick and had
O'Brien and Alexander and Um and settled in a in
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a sort of not isol of a lovely mountain town
in a mountain world with with you know, seasons obviously,
and it's interesting because it would be hard to understand
primarily in that safari way of looking for people, as
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you said, you did that with Terry when you met
in in the mountains. Yeah, Um and I I have
found or felt since we all knew each other. The
distance has made it possible so that we don't have
the guilt and carry all of that. But at the
same time, there's something so there was something so fresh
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about what it felt like to be around the three
of us together. I don't have that with anybody else.
I have friends, but I don't have that freshness of
these three individual women and their lives and how we
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connected up as friends. I mean, partially that's because of
not being together in the same town all the time,
I'm sure, but it's just it's just the chemistry. It's
just the chemistry. I mean again, obviously you're making me
think about um these formations and you know, that I
haven't been. But I up until recently always had a gang. Um,
(26:28):
and I've had several. I mean I had I had
a gang in when we lived in northern California when
my kids were younger before moving here, and then you know,
I had several gangs. Well I had, Yeah, I had
a gang in my twenties and I had and then
up here I had one that has dissipated. Uh. And
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I really like that. But I mean, obviously that's totally
different than you know, really close close friendships. She likes groups.
Jan likes groups. She had a great time in Venice
because half of the hotel she was staying at. Well,
I have a new gang. I have a new gang. Well,
I've had a gang there for a while, but I have, yeah,
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an expanded gang I have. I have I've had gangs
in New York. You have bandanas? Do tag? Uh? No something?
A good friend. We'll be right back with more good
friend after this quick break. Don't I find that female friendships,
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particularly female friendships, they are a source for me of
so many things from music, the arts, food, tactile, like,
there's so many things I go to my friends and
the two of you are women who have such definitive
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ways of doing things that immediately I wanted not only
to copy, but sort of inculcate into me and make
part of me. I am. I am a direct result
of my relationship with the two of you, bringing to
mind the fact that your mother was also a cancer
(28:31):
and in fact born on my same day, right, and
I also I am a cancer. And again there is
a mother, like there's a from both sides. But I
didn't have a sister. I have a brother. Uh My.
I had very interesting uh parents and grandparents, and my
mother and my grandmother were neither one of them typical females.
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Um in that my grandmother was a brilliant professor and
traveler and character, and my mother was a musician and
again you know, very very interesting, very well read, random
business um. And you know, we're in control of their finances.
Then I went to a girl's school for about seven
(29:19):
years and was basically, you know, kept away from any
kind of co ed situation. So of course all I
wanted to do was get to play with the boys.
And so I think that hampered me from being drawn
to women in general as friends. I am drawn to
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funny women and creative women, but um, I don't have
at all any similar point of view as as you do, Jamie.
On women friends. Mhm, and what were you saying, Merle?
You said you similar moms, didn't we? I mean, well,
you could look at him from a remove. We look
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for features in our female friends that have to do
with our relationship with our mothers. For sure. I like
women who know what they're doing. My mom knew what
she was doing. I have almost no tolerance at all
for a lovely, sweet, passive woman. I just can't help it.
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She doesn't register for me, which is terrible. I mean,
that's half of my gender I'm missing out on. But
I don't That's not what I look for. I look
for women who seem to know what they're doing. I
think that's fascinating. I mean, yeah, I I too. Both
of you are the examples. Um, you know, competence and
(30:53):
real talents, real tactile talents. You know. Okay, jan, if
I was to throw out a number, how many times
have you made a vinegarette in front of me into
a jar to show me how you make vinegarette? How
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many times? A hundred times, fifty times? I have taken videos,
I have written it down. I have, and I've only
recently been able to make a proper vinegarette. And I
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want to know people who know how to do stuff.
I want to know people who who can turn a
space merrily. When you bought that house in town and
you transformed it, I remember thinking like, oh my wow,
look at what she does. I mean, every place you've
(31:56):
ever lived, Jan has that like in Spain, it's it's
it's it is an element of I mean, Jan Hash
lives in a spectacular structure home in a very remote
area in the mountains, designed by a I mean we
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can say Tom Kundig. It's a very spectacular home. And
as you know, Jan, I was as interested in that
process I had built a home and yet who documented
you every step of the way. I have pictures of
(32:39):
you when you know the excavation was being do that
you happened to be here in the pit. It's because
I wanted to see the whole thing. Obviously, I'm super
drawn to competence and guts and all of that, uh
(32:59):
in whomever. But yes, obviously it's there's just a reality
to it that I'm sure we were all drawn to
because again, we didn't have to work at becoming friends.
I don't know why either is It is very strange
now that we think about it. You know, the meeting,
How did that actually happen? When did we start hanging out?
(33:20):
We did dinners together, I guess, And yeah, you wouldn't
both and we would both show up and there was
not any competition because we knew what we were doing.
That's the but that's crucial here. But I mean then
when Jamie, when the bad earthquake came and you couldn't
(33:40):
reach your sister and you called me in Idaho to
rendezvous with your sister, you know, to tell her that
you were okay. You know all that. I was a
very organized person, but I was the least talented in
the sort of kilinary arts and certainly the the way
of I. I was thinking about going up to the lake.
(34:02):
There's a lake near where we all live, and we
would do those wonderful weekends up at the lake, and
what each person was able to bring there wasn't a competition.
And I think I think, probably if I really boiled
down the whole thing, that we were three separate women
(34:23):
with separate careers, separate um other friends, separate uh interests
maybe and yet we weren't a threat to the other.
There wasn't any cross pollination with our men, and we
(34:44):
had confidence that when we did these things. Yeah, and
I think that's what people when they are talking about friendship,
I think have being fun because I've also, by the way,
spoken to people who have, like all of us, have
(35:06):
lost our moms and who have walked, you know, each
of us walking through the losses because life happens to
everybody is you know, nobody gets out alive, nobody gets
out unscathed. Everybody We've all had our turn horrible things
that have happened in our lives, and we've all been
(35:29):
there with each other in some form during those in
in you know, bearing witness, being the supporting each other
as friends. But ultimately, at the end of the day,
I think it's the idea that we're not in competition
with each other and that that has allowed this to
(35:52):
really yeah flow well. And then I think then you
just have a Then you just have a confidence that
you just can move through whatever. I love it, by
the way. I love I love us, I love us,
and I'm still waiting for the grandchild so that I
(36:13):
can have that experience because you guys have shown me
how to do that. Both of you have shown me
again how to do that, because there are a lot
of people who don't do it the way you guys
do it, and I want to do it the way
you guys do it. I want to do it. And
that's different because our kids have different needs. Uh, and
(36:37):
I mean merrily super super hands on. I'm hands on
when needed. My eldest grandchild is sixteen today, sweet sixteen.
What a good one he is, but merrily babysits long
distance No, hilariously do his parents. I mean if I
(36:59):
have only had my daughter as a woman friend when
we all knew each other, so that I would know that, Yeah,
waking up when your children wake up is optional. Give
them the iPad and let them FaceTime nanny, we play legos,
we talk. And now that he's older, he's seven and
(37:19):
he can function because when I first realized what was
going on, his parents are asleep and he's found his
mom's phone and what he does is pick up the phone,
pushed the button for Syrian, say call mom because it's
Grace's phone, and there is FaceTime FaceTime mom, and hey,
they're asleep, and see that. That's what I'm saying, I
(37:42):
now am looking forward when and if one of my
children decide to provide me with a grandchild. I now
I have you guys, and you guys are the ones
I would go to. And so when I knew I
was going to do this show, I was like, Okay,
(38:04):
you two are sort of because it's not just sort
of like Jamie and her friends. I've interviewed people I've
never met. I mean literally, because I met a woman today,
so Emily King, whose song is the theme song for
the show called Good Friend. Um. I met her today.
(38:24):
I've never I've spoken to her on the phone once
when I asked her Twitter stalked her and found her
and d m her so that she would call me
so that I could ask her about securing the song
to be the title song of the show. But I
have never met her, and she is friends with another
(38:45):
friend of mine, and I didn't know they were friends
until I saw something on Instagram of the two of them.
I was at, wait, you know each other, and then
the three of us met today. So I've I've interviewed
people I don't know. UM. Obviously, I didn't want it
to just be Jamie and her friends. On the Good
(39:06):
Friend Podcast. But you two are so deeply essential to
who I am as a woman and a mom and
a wife and a and as a person, and I
it would not have been a good Friend podcast without
the two view. And so I am grateful that you
guys would be here with me. And it was pretty easy.
(39:26):
Didn't feel scary, no no, and you Jan, you were
about to say something well when you introduced the concept.
Then I immediately started fretting because, um, not because of
talking to you, but because I feel like I've not
got that any friends. And I feel and I feel
(39:48):
guilty about it. Um that that again, that I've allowed
some friends to sort of drift away. And so it was.
It's an interesting it's an interesting subject matter to think, yes,
and I'm happy that we did it. So for the listeners,
for my one listener or more than one listener, my
(40:12):
friend Merrily Echo and Jan Cox have come here to
talk about us as a friendship triumvirate. And um, you've
been listening to the Good Friend Podcast, and God bless
you all, and stay safe out there and tune in
again if you want. Thanks a lot, I'm a good man.
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Good Friend is produced by Dylan fagin and is a
production of My Heart Radio. Our theme song, good Friend,
is written, produced, and performed by Emily King. YEH done already,
(41:05):
I know I'll get it from my good friend. If
there's something that I need, A don't already, I know
I'll get it from a good friend. For more podcasts
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