December 12, 2025 • 37 mins
Former WNBA player, coach and sometime reality star Ty Young joins Sarah to discuss all the offseason options now available to players, the reality of being on reality TV, working under Teresa Weatherspoon, and her shock at the WNBA legend getting just one year at the helm in Chicago. Plus, is it possible that winning too much is a bad thing?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where I'm frantically
trying to finish this couple's costume for my annual Christmas
party Fletch Navidad, and I'll only be sharing them with
you if they turn out okay.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Otherwise this never happened. You never heard this.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We always intended to just wear clown noses and say
we're Rudolph.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
It's Friday, December twelfth.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Then on Today show, we'll be chatting with former WNBA
player coach and sometime Reality start Tay Young about working
under Teresa Weatherspoon with the Sky and her shock at
the WNBA legend getting just one year at the Helm
in Chicago, plus her take on the offseason options now
available to players and the reality of being on reality
TV and later a mechanism we can get behind scoring
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up a storm and is it possible that winning this
much is a bad thing.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It's all coming up right after this.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Welcome Back Slices, Happy Friday. Here's what you need to
know today. Let's start with the NWSL per ESPN's Jeff Cassoup,
the league's Bard of Governors is in advanced discussions to
implement a new quote unquote roster mechanism that would allow
star players to be paid large salaries that would exceed
the current salary cap. The discussions are a clear response
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to the pressure on the NWSL to find a way
to keep Trinity Rodman following last week's news that the
league refused to sign off on a contract agreed to
by Rodman and the Washington Spirit. Here's an excerpt from
Cassoof's story. The basic framework of the new mechanism is
that each team would have a set amount of money
beyond the current salary cap, to spend on star players
who meet certain criteria, and that those funds could be
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used on multiple players. A version of the proposal is
currently out for a vote with the league's board and
could be approved ahead of next week's scheduled board meeting
end quote. What is it with these leagues waiting until
the eleventh hour to fix problems that we knew existed
months in advance? Looking at you, too, WNBA? How are
those CBA negotiations going? We'll link to Kasof's full story
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in the show Notes to Hockey. The USA and Canada
played the third of four rivalry series games on Wednesday night,
and I hate to say it, But is it possible
the US has given the Canadians too much revenge fuel
ahead of the Olympics, because Team USA cruise to its
third straight rivalry series win, this one a ten to
four blowout, following equally lopsided four to one and six
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to one wins to open the series. It was actually
the Canadians who found the back of the net first
on Wednesday night in Edmonton, with Sarah Phillier scoring just
forty eight seconds into the contest, but by the end
of the first period, the US had bounced back and
was already up four to one. With the ten to
four victory, it marks the first time in one hundred
and ninety four meetings that either the US or Canada
racked up ten goals against its rival. The previous record
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of nine goals was set by the US back in
twenty twelve, with the Americans defeating the Canadians nine to
two in the preliminary round of the World Championships, only
to lose five to four in overtime of the championship
game one week later.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So let's just say we're not reading too much into this.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
The rivalry series concludes this Saturday with the fourth and
final game in the series, the final meeting between the
two teams.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Before the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
To college whops Number ten, Iowa State kept its undefeated
record alive on Wednesday night, defeating cross date rival Iowa
seventy four to sixty nine behind another stellar performance from
Audie Crooks. Crooks recorded thirty points and ten rebounds in
the win, her third straight game with at least thirty points.
Per her hoopstats, she currently leads the country in points
per game at twenty seven point eight and his second
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in field goal shooting percentage seventy two point two percent.
Also shout out to hoops analyst Rachel Gallagan for this
wild stat. With two hundred seventy six points and two
hundred and forty five minutes played so far this season,
Crooks is on track to become the second player this
century across D one hoops, the MNBA and the WNBA
to average at least one point per minute in a season.
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The only other person to accomplish that feat the seventy
six ers Joel Embiid back during the twenty twenty three
to twenty four MNBA season. More college hoops, there are
a couple of big games between ranked opponents this weekend,
including tomorrow's matchup between number one Yukon and number sixteen USC.
The nine and zero Huskies have won every game this
season by at least fifteen points, a few of them
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by more than sixty points, except for one they're seventy
two to sixty nine win over number six Michigan. We'll
see if USC can step up to give the Huskies
their second big challenge of the year. Also on Saturday,
an in state battle between number nine Oklahoma and number
twenty three Oklahoma State. Then on Sunday another cross state matchup,
this one between number two Texas and number thirteen Baylor.
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That one tips at one pm Eastern, followed by number
twelve North Carolina playing host to number twenty two Louisville
at four pm Eastern. We'll link to the full college
hoops schedule in the show notes to College Vibs. A
reminder that the Sweet sixteen and Elite Eight continue through
this weekend. That includes four matchups today beginning at twelve
pm Eastern and continuing through tonight at nine thirty pm Eastern,
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when number one Nebraska lines up against number four Kansas
with the goal of keeping its undefeated season and its
title hopes alive. We'll link to the full schedule and
bracket in the show notes. More vibs. The University of
Texas announced on Wednesday that it's seeking private developers with
the goal of building a new six thousand seat venue
for the Longhorns women's volleyball team. Per the Request for
Proposal aka RFP, the facility will include student athlete housing
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in addition to the new competition venue. UT's volleyball team
currently plays at Gregory Jim which fits about four thousand people.
That venue will actually host today's match between the number
one seeded Longhorns and number four Indiana, as well as
Sunday's regional final and still more. Viv's Major League Volleyball
aka MLV has announced a fifty match national broadcast schedule
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for their upcoming third season of play. CBS Sports and
Roku Sports Channel will again be league partners. They're joined
by Ion, which will broadcast the MLV Championship, semi finals
and final live, plus mlv's newest league outlet, Vice. The
league is also announced a nor Call expansion franchise, with
founding owners including Beach Volleyball great Carrie Walsh. Jennings and
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chairman of the MNBA Sacramento Kings Vivekrana Dve. The team's
lead investor and executive chair is Teresa Goo, founding partner
of a Crew Capital and a minority owner of the
NWSL's BFC and the NFL's Buffalo Bills. The newer Cal
franchise will start play in twenty twenty seven. All Right,
slices quickly, got to give you a footy and gay
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shit report as we send our congratulations to newlywed NWSL
players Kristin Westfall of the Houston Dash and Matti Pogarsh
aka Poe, most recently of the Utah Royals. The pair
announce their wedding on Insta on Wednesday with gorgeous picks
of the brides and a pup in a tuxedo top.
We'll link to the post in the show notes. We
got to take a quick break. When we come back.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
It's Tye Young joining us now.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
She's a former WNBA player and coach turned reality star
at James Madison Grad. She went on to play twelve
years in the WNBA for the Atlanta Dream, Chicago Sky
in Las Vegas Aces, and was an assistant coach for
the Sky under Teresa Weatherspoon. A North Carolina native, she
broke records at the high school Michael Jordan made famous
So Stylish she was named to the League Fits Hall
of Fame, and she has her own line, t y
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one Gear. She's definitely seen Monica in concert more times
than you have.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
It's high tie, Hi, what's up? How you doing?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I gotta start with Monica, like, how did you become
friends with Monica? Because first of all, the irony of
you rocking a you know, the Boy is Mine jacket
everywhere is great, but I need to hear about this relationship.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Absolutely. It started when I went to see her she
was speaking on a panel for this conference here in Atlanta,
and then also I went to her so AAU game
and we just hit it off from there.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Okay, so you've been to how many of these Monica
Brandy Like duo concerts?
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I've been to three so far and I'm going to
another one soon.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Do you have any tea for us?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Because I've not been keeping up on it, but I
feel like, wasn't there a show where Brandy like left
in the middle and then there was all these conspiracy
theories about it?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Well, when they was in Chicago. She got dehydrated, so okay,
that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, there was no beef. The boy didn't finally break
them up. She just got thirsty.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
No beef, no boy. All okay, we.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Got to start with growing up and my guy, MJ.
I am the biggest Michael Jordan fan. I can't believe
you got to go to Laney High School, the famous
Lady High School where he was famously cut.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Although there's a lot more to that story than most people.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Tell, but it was all wins for you, all time
leading scorer there, your number eleven Jersey is retired. What
was it like growing up and being a hooper at
the place that Michael Jordan got started.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
It was surreal, you know because growing up, Michael Jordan
was one of my favorite male basketball players. So being
able to go to the school, well, his loco is
in the middle of the floor, we're getting free Jordan's,
we're getting free Jordan clothing, and just you know, seeing
his accolades all around the gym was motivation in itself.
But it was just a cool experience to be able
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to get those things, whereas now they're getting a lot more.
But you know, it was still cool to be able
to get that.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, did he ever come back while you were there?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
I never met Michael Jordan until I was playing for
the Chicago Sky as an an adult.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
You said one of your favorite male players. Did you
have favorite female players growing up?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Teresa Wellson one was my favorite female player? No way, Yeah,
Tea spoiled. That's why what's true? You are. My auntie
was a season ticket holder for the Liberty since Dan
Agril season, So as a kid, I would spend my
summers in New York and my auntie would take me
to the games, and that's how she became my favorite player. Gosh,
I really love that, and I'm really jealous.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I feel like there are certain families that cultivate that
female sport fandom in a way that is really special.
You don't hear it as much from women that they
grew up. Now. I think for sure, these generations of
young boys and girls are going to have a lot
of female idols. But growing up, all of my favorite
athletes were all men, and it just wasn't like intentional
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to put me in front of women's sports.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
And I wish they had because there was.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
So much to get out of those early generations of
like the first pros. What was the toughest part for
you when you were making the transition from college and
high school where you had a ton of success where
you're the top dog to the pros.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Well, the most difficult was the pace of the game,
the physicality of the game. You know, like you're going
from college kids so to speak to grown women. But
for me, the transition of being that star player and
then having to fall into a role it was difficult
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because at JAMU, I was to go to player, so
I'm taking any shot I won't when I won't. I
had the ultimate green light, whereas now I'm in the
league and I'm still shooting when I won't. But my
coach is like, hey, like you know, let's real it. There,
you got teammates that you could pass the ball to now.
So that was something that I had to adjust to
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and which was I adjusted pretty swiftly because ultimately I
wanted to be on the floor.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
From Afar, you strike me as this combination of sort
of like not quiet swagger, but like swagger that is
intense as opposed to over the top. Does that sam
accurate to you?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Pretty much? Yeah? I have I'm like a quiet storm.
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
How did you put that into place as a teammate
at the pro level?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
How did you figure out?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
If I'm not the star anymore, here's where I make
a difference, both on the court and in terms of
the relationships with my teammates.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
My passion and my personality. I was always like silly
and I like to make people laugh. But my passion
and my self determination still gave me that motivation, like, hey, okay,
if I can't be the go to player that gets
to shoot when I want, then I'm going to take
on this defensive role. It's something that a lot of
players didn't want to do. Oh I didn't have the heart,
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you know, Like I've always had that dog in me.
So it was a role that I took on because
I wanted to be on the floor. And I still like,
if I can't take twenty shots, I want to stop
you from making twenty shots.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, Like find your spot to make a difference for
the team, to keep yourself out there.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
You were with the Chicago Sky for a long time.
That's my team.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I remember seeing you at games as a player, and
then after you retired at just events around the city
have a presence to you. If Teresa Weatherspoon had not
been hired as the coach, do you think you still
would have pursued some sort of role in coaching with
the team or is that the thing that brought you
back to Chicago.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Well, I did the NBA coaching program, and so after
finishing that program, I wanted to be a coach. I
feel like if t Spoon didn't give me that opportunity,
I don't know when I would have gotten an opportunity
to coach in a w So I feel like everything
aligned with being a farmer player and with her getting
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that job and knowing the hard work that I put
in and giving me the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You talk about going to that coaching role, how did
you translate who you were as a player to who
you were as a coach. What was the toughest part
about seeing those players out there as playing for you
instead of alongside you.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
What is something done but not being able to do it?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
So learning how to motivate these plays in a way
that gets them going. You know, every player, you can't
motivate the same, you can't talk to the same, you
don't get the same out of them. I was a
player where my coach can get on me, you know,
like curse whatever, and I'm going to go out and
do what I'm supposed to do, whereas some players you
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have to speak to them more softly are you know,
like not not so so tough. So just learning my
players and learning what they needed to get the best
out of them. But for the most part, it was
just like things that you know, like I have that.
It's that I want to go do it, but you
have to learn how to speak to get to teach
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them how to do it.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
The first couple of years after playing, like you get
anywhere near a gym and you're like, oh, let me
suit up, and it hurts not to so then wanting
other people to do what you're telling them to and
seeing them not execute, You're.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Like, man, I could just do it myself. This is frustrating.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
If you picture yourself as a coach, and I know
every player is going to require something a little bit different,
but how do you see yourself as a friend, as
a philosopher, as a bit of a tough guy screamer, Like,
where do you see yourself fitting into the larger sort
of stereotypes about.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Coaches definitely not a yeller, definitely passionate, but more like
a teacher. Were speaking to my players, like I said,
like understanding their personalities and learning that to get the
best out of them. I could see myself being like
a defensive coach, even in the opportunities that I have
where I coach like younger girls are a coach to guys.
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When I was in the NBA coaching program, that was
a thing for me and playing hard. If you're not
playing hard, you coming out of the game, because that's
something that you you shouldn't have to teach. Shouldn't have
to teach someone to play hard, especially at the pro level.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, I completely agree. Tell me about working under Teresa Weatherspoon.
You wore her jersey, you idolized her, and now you
are on her coaching staff. It was only for a year.
She was a WNBA great but a first time head coach.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
What was it like?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
It was a ma being under someone who loves the
game and who's as passionate as t Spoon. So I
learned a lot within those four to six months, just
seeing how she watches so much film, how she does
her X and os her at the time outs her
passion to the players with even player development, with them
getting better. So I would say it was a great experience,
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especially for my first time learning from someone who Yeah,
it was her first time being a head coach in
the W, but it wasn't her first time being a coach,
having a former player as a coach, She's already experienced
what a lot of the players, you know, are trying
to get too, are trying to do for themselves. So
I think that in itself is an advantage, whereas a
lot of coaches who haven't played in the W but
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are still you know, become successful coaches.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It's a tough season for the team. There were a
lot of high points, but there were a lot of struggles.
Personalities on the team. Kennedy Carter is always going to
be a unique and special flower that needs to be
handled a certain way. You got Angel recent season, you
got all this dialogue around Caitlin versus Angel. This increased
popularity and focused from the media. What was the biggest
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challenge for you and trying to handle just the basketball
side versus all the different personalities and stuff off the court.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
The basketball side wasn't difficult. The basketball side is basketball.
The main part is when you have a lot of
young players and you don't have a lot of leadership
from veteran players on your team. It's getting the best
out of them. It's being able to help them control
their emotions, you know, on and off the court, and
them learning and seeing the bigger picture and knowing that
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people are always watching, so how do you carry yourself?
So for me as an assistant coach, my job to
get the best out of them was having the experience,
you know, the experience that I've had on and off
the court for the things that they're trying to achieve.
So not being a friend, but being someone who wasn't
far removed that the game, being able to have that
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relationship because I understand where you're coming from and how
you're feeling.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
For the most part, were you surprised that the team
moved down after just one season with Teaspoon?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Absolutely, very surprised. You know, playing twelve years in the league,
I've never had a coach that was just there for
one year. I've had not a lot, but I've had
some bad seasons and I had some not so good
coaches and they still got at least two years.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
What do you think went wrong there?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I have no idea. I'm still trying to figure it
out to this day because with what we had and
with the injuries, you know, I feel like we still
had an ok season, and then for that to happen
in its first year, Teaspoon definitely didn't have enough time.
We didn't have enough time to develop what she wanted
and what she could have gotten out of those players.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I think fans and a lot of folks watching felt
the same way that it was such a quick cook.
How do you really put into place any of your
coaching ethos, any of your intentions, or any of your
strategy when it's such a quick turnaround. There were some
rumors about potentially not and I can't remember which outlet
led with this, but essentially that Teaspoon, because she was
not experienced as a head coach, wasn't able to control
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all the different personalities in the locker room, and that
was part of some of the losses.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Did it feel like that to you?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Did it feel like something where she didn't have enough
control over the players.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I don't feel like she didn't have control. I feel
like those players ran through a wall for Teaspoon. I
feel like as a farmer player you're gonna have You're
gonna have issues in teams, and that's when you have
leadership veterans that you know, could kind of control. I
don't feel like it's just solely with the coach, and
I feel like that comes with the experience, and that
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comes with time. A lot of those players that was
their first time playing together as well. There are different
players that you know, feel like they should be starting.
I feel like, because players in the starting lineup are injured,
now it's my opportunity. You know, like you have a
lot of different challenges that I feel like shouldn't be
subsided or ended in one year.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, did you try to sund staff with the sky
when Teespoon left?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Well, I was hoping that there would still be an opportunity,
and even t Spoon, you know, wanted there to be
an opportunity for me, especially playing in Chicago for nine years.
But I know a lot of times within this process,
a lot of new coaches like to bring on their
own staff and people that they're familiar with are connected with.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, are you looking to get into coaching elsewhere?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Absolutely? You know, I've still desired to coach. And it's
funny because people you know, they ask me like, hey,
are you still interested in coaching? And I'm like, you know,
our head coach got fired. It's not like I quit,
you know. I'm I'm saying so after putting in the
top for the program to learn more, to gain experience,
after my first year, of course, I still want to coach.
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You know. It's passion and it's something that I love
and enjoy, especially giving back to these ladies.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, you got the chance to coach Angel Reese. What
do you think the future looks like for her as
a basketball player?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
The future is bright for Angel, not just with her talent,
but her grit there her the willer to want to learn.
Angel was one of the players who you could speak
to and you could yell a you could get on her,
and she wants you to stay on her. She wants
to get better, She wants to work out, she wants
to be in a gym. You know, she wants to learn.
So I feel like with players like that that are
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willing to learn and willing to get better and have
that dog in them, that the sky is the limit
for them.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Do you think she'll be back in Chicago?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It kind of ended on an interesting note with the
injury and then the partial benching. Can you see her
in the Sky jersey again or you think she'll be elsewhere?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
It's tough to call, you know, with the league and
with teams, it's always a business, so it's a tough call.
I don't know what Angel like. I can't speak for
Angel and I can't speak for the Sky, but I
do know business is business, so it's no telling what
would happen, you know. I do know Angel draw a
lot of fans, and I know she brings in revenue.
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She's definitely a fan favorite, So who knows what would happen.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, As a Chicago Sky it's just the nerves are
creeping up on this happening again because we've lost so
many top players that have decided to go play elsewhere.
A Lenadelada on Sylvia Fowls, Candice Park or the Gabby Williams.
I mean, I could go on and on Epiphany Prince.
It just feels like a part of me is so
grateful that Chicago has a legacy of professional women's basketball
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for such a long time and we've been able to
enjoy the team, and then a part of me is
jealous of the new cities because they're putting the kind
of money and funding and facilities in. They're approaching with
this really modern mindset, and I feel like the Sky
are now falling behind.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
You know, you've played for the team, You've coached for
the team.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
How do you think this guy can work to hang
on to big name players and modernize for this new
era of the.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
W the organization they have to do more. You know,
playing in Chicago nine years and then go on to
Vegas and I was only in Las Vegas for two years.
One of the best organizations I've ever played for, the
way they market the team, the way they promote, the
way they are behind the players. You know, you have
to invest to get back. Sometimes you have to lose
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money to gay money. And I can't speak for what
the organization is spending, but there are things that a
lot of the players are not happy about and that's
why they're leaving. So you have to you can't just
talk to the coaches and the office. You have to
see what is going on with these players, because they
are the ones that are choosing or decided to leave.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, scared money don't make money basically, and right now,
the Sky are not keeping up with the rest of
the league when it comes to how they treat their players, facilities,
everything else, which is it's frustrating.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
You know, you mentioned you want to get back into coaching.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
There's so many more opportunities now with AU basketball, unrivaled
project B obviously at the college level. Where are you
looking and how do you see those new places to
play and coach.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I was supposed to have an opportunity with Arrival, and
I don't know what happened. They didn't say no, but
the contract didn't get sent.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So still waiting or is that is that window closed?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
That door, like the window is closed as an assistant coach,
So it's you know, it's disheartening, but whatever's meant to
be will always be, and I'm never gonna give up.
AU is a league that I helped start as a player.
For the first three years, I was on the committee
and I played, and hopefully there will be an opportunity
there one day as well. So I'm trying and you know,
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like I say, like what's meant to be will be.
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, what do you think about the opportunities that players
have these days compared to even just a few years
ago when you were in the league.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Oh, it's amazing, you know, because it's difficult and it's
something that I had to do with going overseas, being
away from your family, being away from your friends for
a certain amount of time to continue to do something
you love. Now they have leagues here where players don't
have to go overseas, and I think it's amazing where
there are making more money as well. So the rise
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of the league, the support that these ladies are getting,
the attention that they're getting is what they deserve and
I hope it continues to excel and grow.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, over the course of your career, you played in
a lot of different places overseas Latvia, Spain, Turkey, France, Israel, Brazil,
Puerto Rico, China. It's awesome to get to travel that
much and see so much of the world because of basketball.
Although some people would rather just go to Miami for
a couple of weeks and make you know, four times.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
As much money to each their own. But I need
to hear about did you have any wild.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Experiences in any of those places, whether it was like
culture shock your teammates, like something that happened that you
were like, I can't believe I'm in the middle of
China and this just happened.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
So the thing that comes to my mind is when
I was in Turkey and I was coming back home.
It was a very early flight and something about my
passport expiring within six months. Yeah, they made me pay
a fine. This was probably back in two thousand and
nine or ten, and they were telling me that I
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can't go through security until I pay this fine because
my passport expires in six months. Mind you, I'm going home,
So why do I have to pay a fine if
my passport exp is not expired. I still have six
months left and I'm going home. I'm not coming into
your country. And they were like, well, you have to
pay this fine if you want to leave. So now
(25:24):
I'm trying to go to an ATM to get them
out of money for them. I'm freaking out because I'm like,
I don't know if I could take this amount out
of my out of the ATM. You know, there was
a limit on what I could take out of the ATM.
I can't call the bait because it's too early in
the morning. So I'm trying to do all of this
in the midst of making my flight. So I was
probably one of the scariest moments that I had, because
(25:47):
even when you're flying from overseas, you know you have
to make it a time to get the connect the connecting, Yeah,
for sure. And this was probably my This was like
my second year, so I'm like twenty two, so I'm
freaking out. So so now even when I travel for vacation,
I do not like traveling alone when I'm going overseas
because I feel like anything could happen, and I feel
(26:08):
like they could make up any rule, right, and what
are you going to do?
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I learned that rule the hard way when my husband
and I were going to Costa Rica for vacation, and
I knew about expired passworts, I didn't know about the
rule that countries have for some of them three months
and some of them six months, that it has to
expire further away from that so that you can't claim
that you got stuck there and can't go back, which
is why, like you said, you were flying home.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
So in theory they shouldn't have cared.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
But we literally got to the airport at five am
and it was like right after COVID, so they're like, oh,
we can't expedite it.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You're not going to make it in time, and we
just had to.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Pick a different place on the board and like fly
somewhere else in the States for our vacation because.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I had ruined the entire vacation. Good times.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
No, to everyone, it's not just your expiration date. There's
another date that you need to know. And somehow it
never came up with all the insurance I bought and
all the other things I filled out. But yeah, I
learned so that y'all don't have to go through that also,
so you know how it expires every ten years. Ten
years previous was when my husband and I had first
started dating and I used to live in California and
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I would drive into Mexico and weirdly enough, you didn't
need a passport when you drove in, and so we
were going to a wedding in Mexico and he's like, oh,
don't fort your passport. I was like, oh, it's Mexico.
He's like, yeah, it's a different country, babe.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
And I'm like, oh, yeah, shoot, so I grab it.
I go, oh, no, it's expired.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
So both times I tried to like, I managed to
do it ten years later, same as yeah, yeah, So
I also maybe shouldn't travel alone, is the point of
this story. Did you have any experiences when you went
to those countries where you had to figure out how
to be yourself despite language barriers. I remember going to
France when I was young, and like, the first thing
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I tried to figure out was how I could still
tell jokes in French, Like I would tell the most stilted,
bad French, but it would still be like I was
trying to be myself in a place that was different.
Did you find that you were able to be yourself
or did you just have to focus on like.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
The x'es and o's because of the language barriers.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I'm usually like a cheer person and I kind of
keep to myself, and that was something when I played
in Friends, they didn't like. They wanted me to go
out and be with the team more. That's something that
they spoke to my agent about, like, oh, she's an
amazing person and a great player, but we want her
to spend more time with her teammates outside of practice
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our games. And for me, you know, as a foreigner there,
I like to go home and relax and watch my
TV shows. So that was only the difference where I
feel like I couldn't be myself in that aspect. They
wanted me to be more outgoing instead of the introvert
that I like to be.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
We got to get you some Rick Steves books, and
then when you go to those places, you'll just want
to explore the whole time instead of staying in your room.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
The man has got it down. He's the best tour
guy in the world.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Okay, So, speaking of being an introvert, you somehow end
up on reality TV, which is not a place for.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Private, introverted people.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
You were first with your former partner Mimi Faust on
Love and Hip Hop Atlanta this year, were the first
WNBA player to be a main cast member on Basketball
Wives alongside an ex Manlee. What do you like about
doing reality shows? What is it just the ladies that
keep dragging in?
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Well, the first time, it was more so like me
being a supportive partner. I knew that was her livelihood,
and I knew that we were together, and I wanted
to support her because you know, a lot of times
people make up storylines or sometimes I won't say a
lot sometimes, you know, for TV. But this was her
real life. I was her real girlfriend, and I had
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my own career, but I still wanted to support her.
So then that's how that happened. And then this year,
the timing, the alignment of everything just happened, like wet,
I got fired from coaching, and then you know, the
opportunity presented itself, and it's like a barrier breaker. The
first WNBA player as a main cast, like you said,
and unfortunately I was going through a breakup. But this time,
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now I'm bringing someone on, so to speak, because this
is basketball wives, whereas the last I was, you know,
supporting my partner for her career, her livelihood at that point.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
How did it feel having your personal life on TV?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
It's difficult. You know, you definitely have to have tough skin,
and you definitely have to have, you know, self confidence
and not be insecure into what other people can say,
because a lot of times when your business is on
the forefront, people feel like they know you and they
feel like they could say whatever, even if it's not true.
(30:39):
And so that's probably the toughest thing of dealing with it.
But since I've already had the experience, because I've already
had a public relationship, that wasn't difficult for me.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, you sort of also got to like be a
little behind the scenes and figure out how it works
and then step into the sort of front, main character.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
What did you dislike about.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Being on reality TV business, being you know, in the
forefront the whole point event, like you said, like being
an introvert and being a private person.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
It's like, you can't be private and do reality TV.
There is good pay from it, though, so you know it.
Some things, you know come with it, and I've built
some amazing relationships, you know, So I feel like though
when you're in a public relationship, as long as the
two of you are on the same page, then it's
not difficult. It becomes complicated, like when you're going through
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a breakup for what I was doing dealing with last season,
and when you're not on the same page and other
people try to come in and you know, cause issues
within your household.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Did you learn anything about yourself by being sort of
forced into this more extroverted, open role.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I won't say I learned more about myself. I've probably
learned how to deal with things better being in the
forefront and having your relationship on mainstream, because before I've
made like guess appear, so I was barely on there
and now being a main cast, I'm still being myself,
but I'm more in the forefront, so I'm learning things
(32:09):
within that aspect. Yeah, it's all still different for me,
you know, being a private person and van an introvert.
It's like it's it's a totally different role.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Maybe you should try dating enormy and not having it
on TV and see how that goes.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Well, I have and makes you less funny.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
You can't get you can't get paid for that.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Not even that's funny.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
What was it like having your own like lived experience
going through something, experiencing something and then seeing how it
can be shaped in post production and then what's presented,
what the producers choose to actually include and for other
people to see.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Well, for me is it hasn't been so bad because,
like I said, I'm always myself and but going back
and seeing some of the things in scenes that you're
not in, it's like, oh, like you said that about me,
you know, are this happened then, but now it's too
late because everything's already filmed, So now you're keeping that
(33:10):
in mind if it happens again, It's like I need
to address this.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, I feel like that part would be annoying, But
the thing that would annoy me would be like if
there was like a disagreement with someone and they just
like cut out a bunch of my really great points
and didn't include them, and then everyone at home was like,
I agree with this person. I'm like, wait, no, I
said a bunch of really good stuff that proves why I'm.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Right, and that could happen. So it's tricks and things
that you learn as you're doing reality TV. And some
of the ogs they're so great at it because they've
been doing it for so long. But it's like the
more you do it, the more you learn, and you
kind of learn how to get through those little like niches.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Are you up for doing it again?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
I I don't mind it, you know. I don't know
where my life would be if I had the choice.
Of course, I would love to be coaching, but I'm
never someone that would just be sitting at home not working.
I love working. I love making money and I love
being able to take care of myself and have a
certain type of lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
All right, door's not closed on. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
We gotta find out, Like traders, fear factor is coming back,
you know, eat a bunch of bugs.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
We'll find something for you.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Definitely eat no bugs. I don't care how much they paid.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Agreed.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Well, if you're out there, listen, she's looking to coach,
so call her up. Thanks so much for the time.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Thanks again to.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Tie for taking the time. We got to take another
break when we come back into club.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
We all fam.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
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Sports bar called Burnell's.
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trailblazer in getting WNBA games to play exhibitions in Wisconsin.
Kelly says, if you're in the Madison area, get to
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Good game, Tie, Good Game, Audie Crooks a few years
of crushing sports disappointments making us think that Team USA
winning against Canada and hockey over and over again might
actually be a bad thing.
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Ahead of the Olympics.
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Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where I'm frantically
trying to finish this couple's costume for my annual Christmas
party Fletch Navidad, and I'll only be sharing them with
you if they turn out okay.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Otherwise this never happened. You never heard this.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We always intended to just wear clown noses and say
we're Rudolph.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
It's Friday, December twelfth.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Then on Today show, we'll be chatting with former WNBA
player coach and sometime Reality start Tay Young about working
under Teresa Weatherspoon with the Sky and her shock at
the WNBA legend getting just one year at the Helm
in Chicago, plus her take on the offseason options now
available to players and the reality of being on reality
TV and later a mechanism we can get behind scoring
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up a storm and is it possible that winning this
much is a bad thing.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It's all coming up right after this.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Welcome Back Slices, Happy Friday. Here's what you need to
know today. Let's start with the NWSL per ESPN's Jeff Cassoup,
the league's Bard of Governors is in advanced discussions to
implement a new quote unquote roster mechanism that would allow
star players to be paid large salaries that would exceed
the current salary cap. The discussions are a clear response
(01:11):
to the pressure on the NWSL to find a way
to keep Trinity Rodman following last week's news that the
league refused to sign off on a contract agreed to
by Rodman and the Washington Spirit. Here's an excerpt from
Cassoof's story. The basic framework of the new mechanism is
that each team would have a set amount of money
beyond the current salary cap, to spend on star players
who meet certain criteria, and that those funds could be
(01:31):
used on multiple players. A version of the proposal is
currently out for a vote with the league's board and
could be approved ahead of next week's scheduled board meeting
end quote. What is it with these leagues waiting until
the eleventh hour to fix problems that we knew existed
months in advance? Looking at you, too, WNBA? How are
those CBA negotiations going? We'll link to Kasof's full story
(01:53):
in the show Notes to Hockey. The USA and Canada
played the third of four rivalry series games on Wednesday night,
and I hate to say it, But is it possible
the US has given the Canadians too much revenge fuel
ahead of the Olympics, because Team USA cruise to its
third straight rivalry series win, this one a ten to
four blowout, following equally lopsided four to one and six
(02:14):
to one wins to open the series. It was actually
the Canadians who found the back of the net first
on Wednesday night in Edmonton, with Sarah Phillier scoring just
forty eight seconds into the contest, but by the end
of the first period, the US had bounced back and
was already up four to one. With the ten to
four victory, it marks the first time in one hundred
and ninety four meetings that either the US or Canada
racked up ten goals against its rival. The previous record
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of nine goals was set by the US back in
twenty twelve, with the Americans defeating the Canadians nine to
two in the preliminary round of the World Championships, only
to lose five to four in overtime of the championship
game one week later.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So let's just say we're not reading too much into this.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
The rivalry series concludes this Saturday with the fourth and
final game in the series, the final meeting between the
two teams.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Before the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
To college whops Number ten, Iowa State kept its undefeated
record alive on Wednesday night, defeating cross date rival Iowa
seventy four to sixty nine behind another stellar performance from
Audie Crooks. Crooks recorded thirty points and ten rebounds in
the win, her third straight game with at least thirty points.
Per her hoopstats, she currently leads the country in points
per game at twenty seven point eight and his second
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in field goal shooting percentage seventy two point two percent.
Also shout out to hoops analyst Rachel Gallagan for this
wild stat. With two hundred seventy six points and two
hundred and forty five minutes played so far this season,
Crooks is on track to become the second player this
century across D one hoops, the MNBA and the WNBA
to average at least one point per minute in a season.
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The only other person to accomplish that feat the seventy
six ers Joel Embiid back during the twenty twenty three
to twenty four MNBA season. More college hoops, there are
a couple of big games between ranked opponents this weekend,
including tomorrow's matchup between number one Yukon and number sixteen USC.
The nine and zero Huskies have won every game this
season by at least fifteen points, a few of them
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by more than sixty points, except for one they're seventy
two to sixty nine win over number six Michigan. We'll
see if USC can step up to give the Huskies
their second big challenge of the year. Also on Saturday,
an in state battle between number nine Oklahoma and number
twenty three Oklahoma State. Then on Sunday another cross state matchup,
this one between number two Texas and number thirteen Baylor.
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That one tips at one pm Eastern, followed by number
twelve North Carolina playing host to number twenty two Louisville
at four pm Eastern. We'll link to the full college
hoops schedule in the show notes to College Vibs. A
reminder that the Sweet sixteen and Elite Eight continue through
this weekend. That includes four matchups today beginning at twelve
pm Eastern and continuing through tonight at nine thirty pm Eastern,
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when number one Nebraska lines up against number four Kansas
with the goal of keeping its undefeated season and its
title hopes alive. We'll link to the full schedule and
bracket in the show notes. More vibs. The University of
Texas announced on Wednesday that it's seeking private developers with
the goal of building a new six thousand seat venue
for the Longhorns women's volleyball team. Per the Request for
Proposal aka RFP, the facility will include student athlete housing
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in addition to the new competition venue. UT's volleyball team
currently plays at Gregory Jim which fits about four thousand people.
That venue will actually host today's match between the number
one seeded Longhorns and number four Indiana, as well as
Sunday's regional final and still more. Viv's Major League Volleyball
aka MLV has announced a fifty match national broadcast schedule
(05:27):
for their upcoming third season of play. CBS Sports and
Roku Sports Channel will again be league partners. They're joined
by Ion, which will broadcast the MLV Championship, semi finals
and final live, plus mlv's newest league outlet, Vice. The
league is also announced a nor Call expansion franchise, with
founding owners including Beach Volleyball great Carrie Walsh. Jennings and
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chairman of the MNBA Sacramento Kings Vivekrana Dve. The team's
lead investor and executive chair is Teresa Goo, founding partner
of a Crew Capital and a minority owner of the
NWSL's BFC and the NFL's Buffalo Bills. The newer Cal
franchise will start play in twenty twenty seven. All Right,
slices quickly, got to give you a footy and gay
(06:08):
shit report as we send our congratulations to newlywed NWSL
players Kristin Westfall of the Houston Dash and Matti Pogarsh
aka Poe, most recently of the Utah Royals. The pair
announce their wedding on Insta on Wednesday with gorgeous picks
of the brides and a pup in a tuxedo top.
We'll link to the post in the show notes. We
got to take a quick break. When we come back.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
It's Tye Young joining us now.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
She's a former WNBA player and coach turned reality star
at James Madison Grad. She went on to play twelve
years in the WNBA for the Atlanta Dream, Chicago Sky
in Las Vegas Aces, and was an assistant coach for
the Sky under Teresa Weatherspoon. A North Carolina native, she
broke records at the high school Michael Jordan made famous
So Stylish she was named to the League Fits Hall
of Fame, and she has her own line, t y
(06:55):
one Gear. She's definitely seen Monica in concert more times
than you have.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
It's high tie, Hi, what's up? How you doing?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I gotta start with Monica, like, how did you become
friends with Monica? Because first of all, the irony of
you rocking a you know, the Boy is Mine jacket
everywhere is great, but I need to hear about this relationship.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Absolutely. It started when I went to see her she
was speaking on a panel for this conference here in Atlanta,
and then also I went to her so AAU game
and we just hit it off from there.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Okay, so you've been to how many of these Monica
Brandy Like duo concerts?
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I've been to three so far and I'm going to
another one soon.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Do you have any tea for us?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Because I've not been keeping up on it, but I
feel like, wasn't there a show where Brandy like left
in the middle and then there was all these conspiracy
theories about it?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Well, when they was in Chicago. She got dehydrated, so okay,
that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, there was no beef. The boy didn't finally break
them up. She just got thirsty.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
No beef, no boy. All okay, we.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Got to start with growing up and my guy, MJ.
I am the biggest Michael Jordan fan. I can't believe
you got to go to Laney High School, the famous
Lady High School where he was famously cut.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Although there's a lot more to that story than most people.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Tell, but it was all wins for you, all time
leading scorer there, your number eleven Jersey is retired. What
was it like growing up and being a hooper at
the place that Michael Jordan got started.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
It was surreal, you know because growing up, Michael Jordan
was one of my favorite male basketball players. So being
able to go to the school, well, his loco is
in the middle of the floor, we're getting free Jordan's,
we're getting free Jordan clothing, and just you know, seeing
his accolades all around the gym was motivation in itself.
But it was just a cool experience to be able
(08:41):
to get those things, whereas now they're getting a lot more.
But you know, it was still cool to be able
to get that.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, did he ever come back while you were there?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
I never met Michael Jordan until I was playing for
the Chicago Sky as an an adult.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
You said one of your favorite male players. Did you
have favorite female players growing up?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Teresa Wellson one was my favorite female player? No way, Yeah,
Tea spoiled. That's why what's true? You are. My auntie
was a season ticket holder for the Liberty since Dan
Agril season, So as a kid, I would spend my
summers in New York and my auntie would take me
to the games, and that's how she became my favorite player. Gosh,
I really love that, and I'm really jealous.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I feel like there are certain families that cultivate that
female sport fandom in a way that is really special.
You don't hear it as much from women that they
grew up. Now. I think for sure, these generations of
young boys and girls are going to have a lot
of female idols. But growing up, all of my favorite
athletes were all men, and it just wasn't like intentional
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to put me in front of women's sports.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
And I wish they had because there was.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
So much to get out of those early generations of
like the first pros. What was the toughest part for
you when you were making the transition from college and
high school where you had a ton of success where
you're the top dog to the pros.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Well, the most difficult was the pace of the game,
the physicality of the game. You know, like you're going
from college kids so to speak to grown women. But
for me, the transition of being that star player and
then having to fall into a role it was difficult
(10:18):
because at JAMU, I was to go to player, so
I'm taking any shot I won't when I won't. I
had the ultimate green light, whereas now I'm in the
league and I'm still shooting when I won't. But my
coach is like, hey, like you know, let's real it. There,
you got teammates that you could pass the ball to now.
So that was something that I had to adjust to
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and which was I adjusted pretty swiftly because ultimately I
wanted to be on the floor.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
From Afar, you strike me as this combination of sort
of like not quiet swagger, but like swagger that is
intense as opposed to over the top. Does that sam
accurate to you?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Pretty much? Yeah? I have I'm like a quiet storm.
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
How did you put that into place as a teammate
at the pro level?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
How did you figure out?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
If I'm not the star anymore, here's where I make
a difference, both on the court and in terms of
the relationships with my teammates.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
My passion and my personality. I was always like silly
and I like to make people laugh. But my passion
and my self determination still gave me that motivation, like, hey, okay,
if I can't be the go to player that gets
to shoot when I want, then I'm going to take
on this defensive role. It's something that a lot of
players didn't want to do. Oh I didn't have the heart,
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you know, Like I've always had that dog in me.
So it was a role that I took on because
I wanted to be on the floor. And I still like,
if I can't take twenty shots, I want to stop
you from making twenty shots.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, Like find your spot to make a difference for
the team, to keep yourself out there.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
You were with the Chicago Sky for a long time.
That's my team.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I remember seeing you at games as a player, and
then after you retired at just events around the city
have a presence to you. If Teresa Weatherspoon had not
been hired as the coach, do you think you still
would have pursued some sort of role in coaching with
the team or is that the thing that brought you
back to Chicago.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Well, I did the NBA coaching program, and so after
finishing that program, I wanted to be a coach. I
feel like if t Spoon didn't give me that opportunity,
I don't know when I would have gotten an opportunity
to coach in a w So I feel like everything
aligned with being a farmer player and with her getting
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that job and knowing the hard work that I put
in and giving me the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You talk about going to that coaching role, how did
you translate who you were as a player to who
you were as a coach. What was the toughest part
about seeing those players out there as playing for you
instead of alongside you.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
What is something done but not being able to do it?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
So learning how to motivate these plays in a way
that gets them going. You know, every player, you can't
motivate the same, you can't talk to the same, you
don't get the same out of them. I was a
player where my coach can get on me, you know,
like curse whatever, and I'm going to go out and
do what I'm supposed to do, whereas some players you
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have to speak to them more softly are you know,
like not not so so tough. So just learning my
players and learning what they needed to get the best
out of them. But for the most part, it was
just like things that you know, like I have that.
It's that I want to go do it, but you
have to learn how to speak to get to teach
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them how to do it.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
The first couple of years after playing, like you get
anywhere near a gym and you're like, oh, let me
suit up, and it hurts not to so then wanting
other people to do what you're telling them to and
seeing them not execute, You're.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Like, man, I could just do it myself. This is frustrating.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
If you picture yourself as a coach, and I know
every player is going to require something a little bit different,
but how do you see yourself as a friend, as
a philosopher, as a bit of a tough guy screamer, Like,
where do you see yourself fitting into the larger sort
of stereotypes about.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Coaches definitely not a yeller, definitely passionate, but more like
a teacher. Were speaking to my players, like I said,
like understanding their personalities and learning that to get the
best out of them. I could see myself being like
a defensive coach, even in the opportunities that I have
where I coach like younger girls are a coach to guys.
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When I was in the NBA coaching program, that was
a thing for me and playing hard. If you're not
playing hard, you coming out of the game, because that's
something that you you shouldn't have to teach. Shouldn't have
to teach someone to play hard, especially at the pro level.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, I completely agree. Tell me about working under Teresa Weatherspoon.
You wore her jersey, you idolized her, and now you
are on her coaching staff. It was only for a year.
She was a WNBA great but a first time head coach.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
What was it like?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
It was a ma being under someone who loves the
game and who's as passionate as t Spoon. So I
learned a lot within those four to six months, just
seeing how she watches so much film, how she does
her X and os her at the time outs her
passion to the players with even player development, with them
getting better. So I would say it was a great experience,
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especially for my first time learning from someone who Yeah,
it was her first time being a head coach in
the W, but it wasn't her first time being a coach,
having a former player as a coach, She's already experienced
what a lot of the players, you know, are trying
to get too, are trying to do for themselves. So
I think that in itself is an advantage, whereas a
lot of coaches who haven't played in the W but
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are still you know, become successful coaches.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It's a tough season for the team. There were a
lot of high points, but there were a lot of struggles.
Personalities on the team. Kennedy Carter is always going to
be a unique and special flower that needs to be
handled a certain way. You got Angel recent season, you
got all this dialogue around Caitlin versus Angel. This increased
popularity and focused from the media. What was the biggest
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challenge for you and trying to handle just the basketball
side versus all the different personalities and stuff off the court.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
The basketball side wasn't difficult. The basketball side is basketball.
The main part is when you have a lot of
young players and you don't have a lot of leadership
from veteran players on your team. It's getting the best
out of them. It's being able to help them control
their emotions, you know, on and off the court, and
them learning and seeing the bigger picture and knowing that
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people are always watching, so how do you carry yourself?
So for me as an assistant coach, my job to
get the best out of them was having the experience,
you know, the experience that I've had on and off
the court for the things that they're trying to achieve.
So not being a friend, but being someone who wasn't
far removed that the game, being able to have that
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relationship because I understand where you're coming from and how
you're feeling.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
For the most part, were you surprised that the team
moved down after just one season with Teaspoon?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Absolutely, very surprised. You know, playing twelve years in the league,
I've never had a coach that was just there for
one year. I've had not a lot, but I've had
some bad seasons and I had some not so good
coaches and they still got at least two years.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
What do you think went wrong there?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I have no idea. I'm still trying to figure it
out to this day because with what we had and
with the injuries, you know, I feel like we still
had an ok season, and then for that to happen
in its first year, Teaspoon definitely didn't have enough time.
We didn't have enough time to develop what she wanted
and what she could have gotten out of those players.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I think fans and a lot of folks watching felt
the same way that it was such a quick cook.
How do you really put into place any of your
coaching ethos, any of your intentions, or any of your
strategy when it's such a quick turnaround. There were some
rumors about potentially not and I can't remember which outlet
led with this, but essentially that Teaspoon, because she was
not experienced as a head coach, wasn't able to control
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all the different personalities in the locker room, and that
was part of some of the losses.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Did it feel like that to you?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Did it feel like something where she didn't have enough
control over the players.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I don't feel like she didn't have control. I feel
like those players ran through a wall for Teaspoon. I
feel like as a farmer player you're gonna have You're
gonna have issues in teams, and that's when you have
leadership veterans that you know, could kind of control. I
don't feel like it's just solely with the coach, and
I feel like that comes with the experience, and that
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comes with time. A lot of those players that was
their first time playing together as well. There are different
players that you know, feel like they should be starting.
I feel like, because players in the starting lineup are injured,
now it's my opportunity. You know, like you have a
lot of different challenges that I feel like shouldn't be
subsided or ended in one year.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, did you try to sund staff with the sky
when Teespoon left?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Well, I was hoping that there would still be an opportunity,
and even t Spoon, you know, wanted there to be
an opportunity for me, especially playing in Chicago for nine years.
But I know a lot of times within this process,
a lot of new coaches like to bring on their
own staff and people that they're familiar with are connected with.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, are you looking to get into coaching elsewhere?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Absolutely? You know, I've still desired to coach. And it's
funny because people you know, they ask me like, hey,
are you still interested in coaching? And I'm like, you know,
our head coach got fired. It's not like I quit,
you know. I'm I'm saying so after putting in the
top for the program to learn more, to gain experience,
after my first year, of course, I still want to coach.
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You know. It's passion and it's something that I love
and enjoy, especially giving back to these ladies.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, you got the chance to coach Angel Reese. What
do you think the future looks like for her as
a basketball player?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
The future is bright for Angel, not just with her talent,
but her grit there her the willer to want to learn.
Angel was one of the players who you could speak
to and you could yell a you could get on her,
and she wants you to stay on her. She wants
to get better, She wants to work out, she wants
to be in a gym. You know, she wants to learn.
So I feel like with players like that that are
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willing to learn and willing to get better and have
that dog in them, that the sky is the limit
for them.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Do you think she'll be back in Chicago?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It kind of ended on an interesting note with the
injury and then the partial benching. Can you see her
in the Sky jersey again or you think she'll be elsewhere?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
It's tough to call, you know, with the league and
with teams, it's always a business, so it's a tough call.
I don't know what Angel like. I can't speak for
Angel and I can't speak for the Sky, but I
do know business is business, so it's no telling what
would happen, you know. I do know Angel draw a
lot of fans, and I know she brings in revenue.
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She's definitely a fan favorite, So who knows what would happen.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, As a Chicago Sky it's just the nerves are
creeping up on this happening again because we've lost so
many top players that have decided to go play elsewhere.
A Lenadelada on Sylvia Fowls, Candice Park or the Gabby Williams.
I mean, I could go on and on Epiphany Prince.
It just feels like a part of me is so
grateful that Chicago has a legacy of professional women's basketball
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for such a long time and we've been able to
enjoy the team, and then a part of me is
jealous of the new cities because they're putting the kind
of money and funding and facilities in. They're approaching with
this really modern mindset, and I feel like the Sky
are now falling behind.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
You know, you've played for the team, You've coached for
the team.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
How do you think this guy can work to hang
on to big name players and modernize for this new
era of the.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
W the organization they have to do more. You know,
playing in Chicago nine years and then go on to
Vegas and I was only in Las Vegas for two years.
One of the best organizations I've ever played for, the
way they market the team, the way they promote, the
way they are behind the players. You know, you have
to invest to get back. Sometimes you have to lose
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money to gay money. And I can't speak for what
the organization is spending, but there are things that a
lot of the players are not happy about and that's
why they're leaving. So you have to you can't just
talk to the coaches and the office. You have to
see what is going on with these players, because they
are the ones that are choosing or decided to leave.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, scared money don't make money basically, and right now,
the Sky are not keeping up with the rest of
the league when it comes to how they treat their players, facilities,
everything else, which is it's frustrating.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
You know, you mentioned you want to get back into coaching.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
There's so many more opportunities now with AU basketball, unrivaled
project B obviously at the college level. Where are you
looking and how do you see those new places to
play and coach.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I was supposed to have an opportunity with Arrival, and
I don't know what happened. They didn't say no, but
the contract didn't get sent.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So still waiting or is that is that window closed?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
That door, like the window is closed as an assistant coach,
So it's you know, it's disheartening, but whatever's meant to
be will always be, and I'm never gonna give up.
AU is a league that I helped start as a player.
For the first three years, I was on the committee
and I played, and hopefully there will be an opportunity
there one day as well. So I'm trying and you know,
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like I say, like what's meant to be will be.
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, what do you think about the opportunities that players
have these days compared to even just a few years
ago when you were in the league.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Oh, it's amazing, you know, because it's difficult and it's
something that I had to do with going overseas, being
away from your family, being away from your friends for
a certain amount of time to continue to do something
you love. Now they have leagues here where players don't
have to go overseas, and I think it's amazing where
there are making more money as well. So the rise
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of the league, the support that these ladies are getting,
the attention that they're getting is what they deserve and
I hope it continues to excel and grow.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, over the course of your career, you played in
a lot of different places overseas Latvia, Spain, Turkey, France, Israel, Brazil,
Puerto Rico, China. It's awesome to get to travel that
much and see so much of the world because of basketball.
Although some people would rather just go to Miami for
a couple of weeks and make you know, four times.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
As much money to each their own. But I need
to hear about did you have any wild.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Experiences in any of those places, whether it was like
culture shock your teammates, like something that happened that you
were like, I can't believe I'm in the middle of
China and this just happened.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
So the thing that comes to my mind is when
I was in Turkey and I was coming back home.
It was a very early flight and something about my
passport expiring within six months. Yeah, they made me pay
a fine. This was probably back in two thousand and
nine or ten, and they were telling me that I
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can't go through security until I pay this fine because
my passport expires in six months. Mind you, I'm going home,
So why do I have to pay a fine if
my passport exp is not expired. I still have six
months left and I'm going home. I'm not coming into
your country. And they were like, well, you have to
pay this fine if you want to leave. So now
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I'm trying to go to an ATM to get them
out of money for them. I'm freaking out because I'm like,
I don't know if I could take this amount out
of my out of the ATM. You know, there was
a limit on what I could take out of the ATM.
I can't call the bait because it's too early in
the morning. So I'm trying to do all of this
in the midst of making my flight. So I was
probably one of the scariest moments that I had, because
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even when you're flying from overseas, you know you have
to make it a time to get the connect the connecting, Yeah,
for sure. And this was probably my This was like
my second year, so I'm like twenty two, so I'm
freaking out. So so now even when I travel for vacation,
I do not like traveling alone when I'm going overseas
because I feel like anything could happen, and I feel
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like they could make up any rule, right, and what
are you going to do?
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I learned that rule the hard way when my husband
and I were going to Costa Rica for vacation, and
I knew about expired passworts, I didn't know about the
rule that countries have for some of them three months
and some of them six months, that it has to
expire further away from that so that you can't claim
that you got stuck there and can't go back, which
is why, like you said, you were flying home.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
So in theory they shouldn't have cared.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
But we literally got to the airport at five am
and it was like right after COVID, so they're like, oh,
we can't expedite it.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You're not going to make it in time, and we
just had to.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Pick a different place on the board and like fly
somewhere else in the States for our vacation because.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I had ruined the entire vacation. Good times.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
No, to everyone, it's not just your expiration date. There's
another date that you need to know. And somehow it
never came up with all the insurance I bought and
all the other things I filled out. But yeah, I
learned so that y'all don't have to go through that also,
so you know how it expires every ten years. Ten
years previous was when my husband and I had first
started dating and I used to live in California and
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I would drive into Mexico and weirdly enough, you didn't
need a passport when you drove in, and so we
were going to a wedding in Mexico and he's like, oh,
don't fort your passport. I was like, oh, it's Mexico.
He's like, yeah, it's a different country, babe.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
And I'm like, oh, yeah, shoot, so I grab it.
I go, oh, no, it's expired.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
So both times I tried to like, I managed to
do it ten years later, same as yeah, yeah, So
I also maybe shouldn't travel alone, is the point of
this story. Did you have any experiences when you went
to those countries where you had to figure out how
to be yourself despite language barriers. I remember going to
France when I was young, and like, the first thing
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I tried to figure out was how I could still
tell jokes in French, Like I would tell the most stilted,
bad French, but it would still be like I was
trying to be myself in a place that was different.
Did you find that you were able to be yourself
or did you just have to focus on like.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
The x'es and o's because of the language barriers.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I'm usually like a cheer person and I kind of
keep to myself, and that was something when I played
in Friends, they didn't like. They wanted me to go
out and be with the team more. That's something that
they spoke to my agent about, like, oh, she's an
amazing person and a great player, but we want her
to spend more time with her teammates outside of practice
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our games. And for me, you know, as a foreigner there,
I like to go home and relax and watch my
TV shows. So that was only the difference where I
feel like I couldn't be myself in that aspect. They
wanted me to be more outgoing instead of the introvert
that I like to be.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
We got to get you some Rick Steves books, and
then when you go to those places, you'll just want
to explore the whole time instead of staying in your room.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
The man has got it down. He's the best tour
guy in the world.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Okay, So, speaking of being an introvert, you somehow end
up on reality TV, which is not a place for.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Private, introverted people.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
You were first with your former partner Mimi Faust on
Love and Hip Hop Atlanta this year, were the first
WNBA player to be a main cast member on Basketball
Wives alongside an ex Manlee. What do you like about
doing reality shows? What is it just the ladies that
keep dragging in?
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Well, the first time, it was more so like me
being a supportive partner. I knew that was her livelihood,
and I knew that we were together, and I wanted
to support her because you know, a lot of times
people make up storylines or sometimes I won't say a
lot sometimes, you know, for TV. But this was her
real life. I was her real girlfriend, and I had
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my own career, but I still wanted to support her.
So then that's how that happened. And then this year,
the timing, the alignment of everything just happened, like wet,
I got fired from coaching, and then you know, the
opportunity presented itself, and it's like a barrier breaker. The
first WNBA player as a main cast, like you said,
and unfortunately I was going through a breakup. But this time,
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now I'm bringing someone on, so to speak, because this
is basketball wives, whereas the last I was, you know,
supporting my partner for her career, her livelihood at that point.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
How did it feel having your personal life on TV?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
It's difficult. You know, you definitely have to have tough skin,
and you definitely have to have, you know, self confidence
and not be insecure into what other people can say,
because a lot of times when your business is on
the forefront, people feel like they know you and they
feel like they could say whatever, even if it's not true.
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And so that's probably the toughest thing of dealing with it.
But since I've already had the experience, because I've already
had a public relationship, that wasn't difficult for me.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, you sort of also got to like be a
little behind the scenes and figure out how it works
and then step into the sort of front, main character.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
What did you dislike about.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Being on reality TV business, being you know, in the
forefront the whole point event, like you said, like being
an introvert and being a private person.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
It's like, you can't be private and do reality TV.
There is good pay from it, though, so you know it.
Some things, you know come with it, and I've built
some amazing relationships, you know, So I feel like though
when you're in a public relationship, as long as the
two of you are on the same page, then it's
not difficult. It becomes complicated, like when you're going through
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a breakup for what I was doing dealing with last season,
and when you're not on the same page and other
people try to come in and you know, cause issues
within your household.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Did you learn anything about yourself by being sort of
forced into this more extroverted, open role.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I won't say I learned more about myself. I've probably
learned how to deal with things better being in the
forefront and having your relationship on mainstream, because before I've
made like guess appear, so I was barely on there
and now being a main cast, I'm still being myself,
but I'm more in the forefront, so I'm learning things
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within that aspect. Yeah, it's all still different for me,
you know, being a private person and van an introvert.
It's like it's it's a totally different role.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Maybe you should try dating enormy and not having it
on TV and see how that goes.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Well, I have and makes you less funny.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
You can't get you can't get paid for that.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Not even that's funny.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
What was it like having your own like lived experience
going through something, experiencing something and then seeing how it
can be shaped in post production and then what's presented,
what the producers choose to actually include and for other
people to see.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Well, for me is it hasn't been so bad because,
like I said, I'm always myself and but going back
and seeing some of the things in scenes that you're
not in, it's like, oh, like you said that about me,
you know, are this happened then, but now it's too
late because everything's already filmed, So now you're keeping that
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in mind if it happens again, It's like I need
to address this.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, I feel like that part would be annoying, But
the thing that would annoy me would be like if
there was like a disagreement with someone and they just
like cut out a bunch of my really great points
and didn't include them, and then everyone at home was like,
I agree with this person. I'm like, wait, no, I
said a bunch of really good stuff that proves why I'm.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Right, and that could happen. So it's tricks and things
that you learn as you're doing reality TV. And some
of the ogs they're so great at it because they've
been doing it for so long. But it's like the
more you do it, the more you learn, and you
kind of learn how to get through those little like niches.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Are you up for doing it again?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
I I don't mind it, you know. I don't know
where my life would be if I had the choice.
Of course, I would love to be coaching, but I'm
never someone that would just be sitting at home not working.
I love working. I love making money and I love
being able to take care of myself and have a
certain type of lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
All right, door's not closed on. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
We gotta find out, Like traders, fear factor is coming back,
you know, eat a bunch of bugs.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
We'll find something for you.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Definitely eat no bugs. I don't care how much they paid.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Agreed.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Well, if you're out there, listen, she's looking to coach,
so call her up. Thanks so much for the time.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Thanks again to.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Tie for taking the time. We got to take another
break when we come back into club.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
We all fam.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Welcome back Slices. We love that you're listening, but we
want you to get in the game every day too.
So here's our good game play of the day. If
you've got one near you, go grab a beer or
a snack at your local women's sports bar and report
back to the show.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
We want to hear who's doing it right, who's.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Got fun events for fans of women's sport, and where
the latest and greatest are popping up. I'm brainstorming an
upcoming episode about women's sports bars across the country, so
I'm going to need my slices on the ground to
get the intel for me. Like Kelly a super slice
from Madison, Wisconsin, who tracked all the way to Door
County for our Diana Trossi Bench dedication and wrote in
to tell me that Madison just got a women's.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Sports bar called Burnell's.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Burnell's is named after Burnell Hooker, who started and owned
the Milwaukee Aces professional women's basketball team and was a
trailblazer in getting WNBA games to play exhibitions in Wisconsin.
Kelly says, if you're in the Madison area, get to
Burnell's this Saturday for the Yukon USC game and then
stick around for its lesbian pop up bar at six
pm Central. Get after it a cheese curd, love and
(35:38):
supper club and slices. We always love to hear from you,
so hit us up on email. Good game at wondermediaetwork
dot com or leave us a voicemail at eight seven
two two four fifty seventy and don't forget to subscribe,
rate and review. I tell you every day, but it
really helps the show, and it's super easy watch. Shitty
Player Spotify rapped lists rating two out of two, Jagofs
(35:59):
at the top. Now, I've been simmering on this for
days and I just need to get it out. Morgan
Wallin and Chris Brown as the most listened to artist
for NWSL players.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
What are we doing, ladies?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Morgan Wallen is an N word spouting, furniture throwing, public
intox and disorderly conduct, arrest boasting, COVID protocol breaking bro
who commodified and profited off his racism. And Chris Brown
is a known domestic abuser with multiple assault arrests and
allegations for a variety of different public fights. We gotta
do better, gals, Come on now, it's your turn.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Y'all rate and review. Thanks for listening, See you next week.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Good game, Tie, Good Game, Audie Crooks a few years
of crushing sports disappointments making us think that Team USA
winning against Canada and hockey over and over again might
actually be a bad thing.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Ahead of the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Good Game with Sarah Spain is an iHeart women's sports
production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You
can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Production by Wonder Media Network, our producers are alex Azzie Grace, Lynch,
Taylor Williamson, and Lucy Jones. Our executive producers are Christina Everett,
Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan, and Emily Rutterer. Our editors are
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