April 7, 2025 • 35 mins
Live from the Final Four, it's Sue Bird and Diana Taurasi, presented by Capital One. Sarah sat down with the two legends in Tampa on Saturday to discuss the very first day they met, why their late night plan to team up in the WNBA never came to fruition, how DT's kids will help her stay on schedule post-retirement, and what WNBA owners could learn from their players. Plus, Sarah surprises DT with a retirement gift that will be a must-visit destination for Slices and hoops fans everywhere.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're alternating
cheers and tears as we celebrate Pagebeckers going out a champ,
Congrats to Yukon. So much more on the NCAA title
game tomorrow, but on today's show, you'll hear from two
of the greatest to ever do it, Diana Tarassi and
Sue Bird. It's a very special episode of Good Game
with Sarah Spain that took place Saturday afternoon at the
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Tampa Convention Center in front of a live audience at Tourneytown,
presented by Capitol One. We talked about the state of
the women's game, the things that the two learned from
each other, DT's post retirement plans, and a very special
gift we purchased for Diana to honor her career.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It's all coming up right after this joining me now.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
She's one of the greatest tubers of all time, a
four time WNBA Champ, a thirteen time WNBA All Star,
five time Olympic gold medalist, two time NCAA champion at Yukon,
including a perfect thirty nine and oh season already a
multi hyphenate post retirement, the only WNBA player to win
titles in three different decades. She's got her own Barbie
doll and today she was officially inducted into the Hall
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of Fame. It's super bird. I asked her for an
autograph backstage. She said, it's five hundred dollars more now
because she writes hof on it what the joining her?
She's arguably the greatest of all time, the leading scorer
in WNBA history, the first basketball player to win six
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Olympic gold medals, five time WNBA scoring champion, fourteen time
All WNBA Selection League MVP. In two thousand and nine,
she led the Mercury to three WNBA titles and led
the Yukon Huskies to three straight national titles, including that
thirty nine to no undefeated season. It's the White Mamba,
Diana Tarassi, Oh my gosh, I've dreamed of this day
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in my mind. This is like Voltron getting together. But
you guys are like, who's this. I'm just I'm so excited.
And I was watching a little bit of The Burden
Taroste Show last night. I was at the game, so
I couldn't watch, but I watched a little. Today we
got a bolo tie, we got a sash and a Tiara,
we got some big SIPs out of those.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Out of those yeties. We don't have yeties today or
what was in them. We won't ask what was in them.
We don't have them.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
But I'd like you to get as loose as you did.
So we're gonna start with a little game if you
look beneath you. They made fancy paddles, but I prefer
the ones I made.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Show the crowd. We've got some classic Oh how old
are you?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I'm I think I'm in high school here, I'm like
a junior in high school.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I'm definitely a freshman in high school. Yeah, the braces,
the braces for four years.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
In high school. Thanks mom.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh wow, good timing, mom.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, your teeth are great though, so thanks mom.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Okay, we're gonna do a little more likely too, and
you're gonna hold up the face that is more likely
to do something yours or your friends.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Number one, more likely to talk back to a coach.
We got to Diana's on that one. That one's easy.
More likely to get in a fight with a teammate.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
I see where this is going. I see where this
is going.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
More likely to take over the locker room playlist.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Okay, we got Sue.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Finally, Susan in the game.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
More likely to have one too many adult beverages at
a postgame celebration.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Oh, don't let her fool you, don't let her full.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
You won't know it. That's the point.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Until you'll know it until the next morning.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
You'll know it until the.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Next morning when she doesn't remember anything.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, that's my stuff. That's my stuff too. You weren't
even drunk last night. I'm like, oh, I don't recall
doing that, but I'm glad I kept it together back
in the day.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Of course, not not recently now, not like tomorrow or tonight.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
More likely to competently have a basic conversation with someone
in Russian.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
We heard a little Russian on the show last night.
Did you all hear that? When they shouted out alexandrovtchkin.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
The funny thing was, I yelled out, I want to
go home. But nobody's going.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
To know that.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
It was like if I was like, thank you, please hello,
but it sounded I bought it.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
I bought it.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I thought you both were saying something.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
We said we had good job, we said, like just
good in general.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
I yelled out, I want to go home. It just
came to me.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I said, I understand a little bit of Russian.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
To shoot perfect uh and the final most important one uh,
most likely to win a bowling matchup.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Oh, don't even I don't even know.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
I don't Okay, yeah, but we know that score.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Now what are we? What are we rolling over here?
Speaker 6 (04:35):
I break two hundred?
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Easy?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
What did you?
Speaker 5 (04:38):
I've never seen you bowled too?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Every time we played, I've in Moscow.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Yeah, well yes, every time.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
That's Russian math though, Yeah, I know, divided by Russians
love bowling, remember you talking about it, love bowling.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
I'm in like the hundreds.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
So you just admitted that she's better than you.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Absolutely, I get bored. Its growth.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
That's growth from all of us. I'm trying to turn.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
And you leave here retirement, a softer gentler tes or
grace I believe they call it these days.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
We're gonna get into that.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Actually, by now, you too are sort of a forever
linked to duo. But it all had to start somewhere,
and it started when a young Sue welcomed to young
Diana to the Yukon campus. You picked her up from
coach Geno's house during her recruiting visit. She hopped into
your ninety three Toyota Camry.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
You still drive that right? Oh?
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Yeah, yeah, vintage, they call it vintage.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
She put a CD in there. She remember any of
the songs from the CD?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Do you remember Wanna Be a balla shot Collar.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
On the Camela? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (05:42):
It was a lot of West Coast stuff.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Yeah. Soon knew how to like make sure I fell
at home very quickly.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, I mean she said on her show, she was like, listen,
whatever this trash she puts on. I have to be like, oh,
this is great because we want her to come here.
And then she was like, oh bangers, she.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
Let us keep the CD. I was like, this kid's great,
this kid's great.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Oh generous. Do you're famous for your fiery play?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Obviously retired as the all time leader in personal fouls
seventeen hundred and twenty.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, wow going also the all time leader in technical fouls.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, that's my kind of player. You had more than
one hundred and twenty. That's twice as many as the
next person.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Keep it going, Keep it going there.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So I guess I'm surprised to find that you have
rarely been ejected.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So I'm twice, only twice.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, so I'm curious what happens between the first technical
and the second and why can't you just harness that
self control before the first technical.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Well, actually it's a lot of self control to be
able to do that, to be able to get that
second technical knowing the night's over. But you know, the beauty,
the beautiful thing about it is every time I've gotten ejected,
my teammates always been like, thank you, we needed that.
We when we needed that tonight. That's gonna propel us
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for the next ten games. So you know, it was
more of a stand advice and I was willing to
take all the bullets.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
According to Sue, both times you got ejected, you sent
her a selfie from the locker room while the game
was still going.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
I found it.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
You found it.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
I found it.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
I might save it though, but I found it.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I'll just okay, I want to see.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
So you're just sitting in the locker room waiting for
the game to be over, like, I.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Guess, I'll send Sue a message.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Well, so one time I just was eating powdered donuts.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Face face, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
That's an injection.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
So proud of yourself now I'm.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Just like, look what I did top that? Sup?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
We tell us about the donuts.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
I was just powdered sugar.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Donuts, you know that big pack you get for your kids,
the little little donut holes.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
So I think we ended up winning the game.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Thank you, you mean you're welcome?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
And yeah I had How does sugar all over me
on my shooting shirt of those days?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Good finish ladies, well done.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Uh did you also have security send you a gin
and tonic?
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Security knows me really well. They sent me a gent tonic.
I was hanging out chilling.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
I think we lost that game though.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Nothing like coming back after a hard fought game and
seeing your teammate that copped out early, drinking a G
and T eating donuts.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
That's a leader. That's a leader right there.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
There's different ways of lead, sou there there are there.
Some break their nose and keep it going. Some clock
out early. Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Do I do have to ask, though?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You know, for all that fiery on court performance that
we see, you are known as much for your warmth
and generosity off the court. Sue told the SPN, you
make people feel like a thousand bucks. How do you
explain the difference between off court Diana and on court.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Well, I mean I think that is on court too,
you know, you.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Just not opposing.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I think it's just a lot of it is the
way I was brought up, something as simple as we
always had dinner together as a family every single night,
no matter how busy my parents were, no matter how
busy my sister was. And uh, you know that upbringing
always translated onto whatever team I was on, right, that
was my family.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
You know, that team, that unit was my family. And
I cheated him like my sisters every single season.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
And uh, you know, I think that's just as important
then how good you are actually playing basketball.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
At the end of the day, it's how can you
uplift the next person? How can you make them better?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
How can you make them feel a part of a team,
Whether you play forty minutes, whether you don't play, it's
all just as important.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
More with Sue Bird and Dinah Tarrassi coming up after
this break. Sue, you recently mentioned on your podcast A
Touch More with your fiance Megan Rapino Everyone Downloaded Subscribe
that you and Dinah talked about teaming up in the
WNBA over a bunch of red wine. You even reached
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out to your agents to see if you could make
it work, but ultimately neither of you ended up wanting
to leave your respective teams. Can you talk about why
you think you both remained so loyal to the teams
that drafted you and stuck there for your whole career?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Probably something about like childhood trauma. That's where all that
loyalty lives.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
Child Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm not really sure. It was more.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Listen, the night was going, the wine or whatever we
were drinking was flowing, and as it flowed, it started
to feel real. We're like, yeah, let's game this out,
let's do this. And then I would say, for me,
the minute I woke up the next day, it was like, yeah,
I don't want to leave Seattle, And like I said,
I'm not going to Phoenix and I knew she wasn't coming.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
I think what it was was, at that.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Point we'd already created a little bit of a legacy
in our cities, right, a little bit of a connection.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
If I had to guess the year again, I'm not
really sure, Like twenty twelve we had one in these cities,
and I ultimately, for me, I think there's something so
special about staying with the same team for your whole career.
So even though we like had this one night where
we played it out we were going to the New
York Liberty, We're going to bring them their first championship,
the reality was we were already living a version of
our own dream.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
And not only that, we were probably signed a three
year deals and being coored five times. Like you know,
the mobility to be able to go to a different
team really wasn't there in twenty twelve. You were kind
of stuck wherever you were drafted. And we were fortunate
enough to be in two great franchises, two great cities,
And like Sue said, there's nothing like being on a
team for twenty years knowing that you know you were
there through the highs, the lows, through the years when
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you won championships, didn't make the playoffs. There is a
sense of ownership, obviously, with Sue being an owner.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Literally literally.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
That when you play in one place for a long
long time, there are these relationships that mean more than
a banner.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
It means a lot to fans, and I think it's
unfair for fans to demy and that a player is
stay in a bad situation. But I also think I
understand why they care so much about the players that
do stick around through the highs and lows.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
You mentioned though, if.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You were starting your career now, contracts are different, freedom
to move is different. It is much less common for
a player to stay in the same place.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Do you think you would have moved now?
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Maybe?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
You know, the landscape is just so different now of
how these young kids.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
See their professional career.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
The rules that they're playing by are much different than
when we graduated from college. And you know, I think
it's amazing that throughout your career you get to really
dictate how you want it to be, where you want
to play, and there is power. Then I think that's
going to be one of the strong suits of the
WNBA going forward.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
So current players will never know what it was like
for the ogs. They've got charter flights, they've got beautiful
new practice facilities, they've got what soon to be expected
a very player friendly CBA Diana. Which part of the
new look w NBA Are you most jealous of that
players are starting right now with?
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Well, I mean, obviously the travel has been something we
always talked about. You know, when you're on a road trip,
and you know you're flying commercial, getting to cities super early,
getting to the airport.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
That just puts an extra.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Strain mentally physically on you know, the way you perform,
which is the most important thing.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
You know, you won't want to have the best product.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Do you want to feel the best you can physically
to be able to perform at your highest level. You know,
I got to experience a charter for the last two years.
It makes a difference in none of that.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
We played that. We we chartered for.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
A long time overseas, so it is something that for
some of us wasn't new in college.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
These kids are chartering. I think that piece has really
changed the game.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I do want to add one thing though, Okay, let's
I'm gonna keep it real. No way would I never
not choose chartering. Right if it's on the table commercial,
I'm choosing chartering. But something that's interesting and something I
really enjoyed about my WNBA experience was because we flew commercial,
we would play on Thursday night and we had to
stay over and you weren't able to leave till Friday,
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and so you were always able to go to dinner
with your friends on the other team. You're always able
to have these I guess social experiences that none of
these players, this new generation will ever have, and it
really does create I don't know, memories, bonds with your
own team, but also with your friends on other teams,
and that to me is a little sad, not sad
enough where I'm giving up charters, but it is a
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little sad that they're going to.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Miss out on that.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Well, I want to ask you about that.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I just recently had on my show, Tara Vandervere and
Muffett McGrath. They came on together to talk about their
battles during the tournament and getting more women into coaching,
and we kind of started talking about how they are
bittersweet about some of the changes to the game. They
both wonder if players love the game as much as
they used to because it is more complicated when you're
looking for nil payments, when you can transfer to a
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school that's offering you more in the middle of your career.
And they definitely had some pretty strong feelings about the
love of the game being gone and they're being something
really special about the game when y'all started. When you
look at all I mean, we want players to get paid.
We want them to have great professional opportunities. We want
nil money, we want the ability to move if you're
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not in a good situation. But is there something to
be said about not working through adversity, not fighting your
way into a starting lineup, or even something Muffett said,
which is like they should have to do something before
they get paid. They're getting paid for like community service now,
and they're gonna leave school and be like, oh no,
I don't get one hundred thousand dollars to sit here.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
I am a little torn.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I do think there's something about grinding it out, playing
through the adversity, all that stuff. I think eventually what
will happen is there might be a little bit of
a lull in this generation where they did just get paid. Sidebar,
something we've always wanted is to be paid on potential.
Men are always paid on their potential. We've always had
to prove it eighteen thousand times and then maybe get paid.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
So it's hard for me to poo poo on it.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
But at the same time, there might be a little
bit of a lull where, you know, maybe players don't
take their quote unquote craft as seriously because they are
just getting paid right, But eventually, listen, college for the
last couple of years has been five years, it's usually four.
And the reality is, if you're a good player that's
going to go on to the WNBA, you're going to
be in that league for the next twenty years if
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you're lucky, maybe fifteen point being.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
The proof's in the pudding at that level.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
If you can't perform, if you can't play well a,
you won't get paid. You won't get the marketing deals.
You have to make that the main thing. So while
this generation is maybe getting paid before they've quote unquote
done anything, eventually they're going to figure out, oh, like,
I need to make sure basketball is my top priority.
And then the generation right behind them will have learned
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from that, will maybe have learned from those missteps in
their college career where maybe they didn't take it, you know,
or have that love and take it as seriously.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Yeah, everything SEUs said is spot on.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I mean, it's a different landscape for these college coaches,
isn't it.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
And they don't like it.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
It's easy when this coaches get these big deals and
you know they're at a school.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
For two years.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Oh hey, I'm gonna leave see you guys later, and
then you leave, you know, your upcoming class with a
new coach. They like that, though, don't they They don't
like the new landscape women's basketball.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
And like Sue said, men.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Get paid on potential all the time and there is
a balance and maybe that balance.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Isn't there yet, but they're working through all that. I mean,
I remember in.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
College I used to get a free car wash and
it was like the biggest deal ever.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
I'm like, it's just a car wash. He didn't let
me pay Actutra benefits.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I feel like maybe the statute of limitations isn't over.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
You might have to go back.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
I think she just told on herself.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Did you also get with your bagel? Because that's a
violation whatever.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
There's a statue of limitation.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
I think twenty years later, I'm stick good.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
You guys spent so many years playing together in the
States in Russia friends, Sue, what did you learn from
Diana man.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I learned how to make an afagato folgatto tip top dessert.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
No, I think with d it's Scott.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
How do I pick one thing? The whole idea of
somebody loving what they do and really dedicating themselves to
being great, but not having that only be their north star.
It wasn't like d you went to the gym every
day like I have to be the best player in
the world.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
It existed as like what the goal was. But she
she really.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Took care of the details and really took care I
mean we already talked about her relationship with her teammates
later in both of our careers.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
You have to learn to take care of your body.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
It was.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
There was so much about what she did in the details,
every single workout, every single moment. And then yeah, ultimately
you want to have the benefit of becoming the greatest
player ever, which she did. But I really enjoyed why
I got a court side seat to how she operated
every day.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Not just in the games, you know, not just what
you saw on TV.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Every single day, and she really, I mean you literally
showed up every single day to every single practice, every
single workout, every single you know, lifting session, everything, And
I really just had so much respect for that.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
What'd you learn from Sue?
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Wow, Sue makes a killer chicken pacata, you know.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I Mean I got to school.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
In Connecticut and Sue was the first person I met, and.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
There was something about Sue early early on.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
That fascinated me, the way she can walk into a
room and command a presence from every single person in there.
You know, everyone always talks about being a great leader.
You know you need to be a leader, You need
to be a we need a leader. You know, you're
only a leader if people follow. And Sue has this
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ability to lead in a way that makes everyone feel
a part of a group. And there's not many people
that are willing to put everything aside from their personal
benefit to make you better. And Sue's done that with
every single person, every single team she's played on. And
that skill you can't teach. And that's the skill that
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she has and no one else has in the whole world.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
That's really sweet.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I imagine Sue has some more lessons to teach you
about retirement.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yes, she says, a little bit ahead of you.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Now, I know that neither of you will ever be
a true NARP a non athletic retired person. But once
you're retired, non athletic regular person is the normal term.
But once you're retired, you're as close to a NARP
as it gets. What is your advice too, What are
your tips for not being able to get out all
that passion and fire and competitiveness on the court.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Oof, that one's tough. But she does have kids, so
there's that. There's a little bit of different retirement. No,
I think actually, speaking of kids, I used to make
fun of.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
My pregnant Wow, we would break some news on this show.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
No, I used to not make fun of it a
bad way.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
But with my sister when she started having kids, I
was like, what's with the schedule, Like why.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Can't my niece go to bed thirty minutes later? What's
the big deal?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
And it wasn't until I retired where I was like, oh,
we actually need schedule, you need a routine.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
And with sports, it just was naturally there.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Every single aspect of our life, even when we weren't.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
In season, was somehow scheduled out.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I got to get up at this time because my
workouts at this time, so I got to make sure
I eat it this time, And then where am I
going to get lunch after? Let me plan that out
because I need my protein shake. And it was just
your entire existence was mapped out in a sense, and
when you retire, that is all gone. Now you do
have kids, you are on a little bit of a, Well,
they're not toddlers, but you aren't a little bit of
a kid's schedule.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
But really the hardest part for me.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Was figuring that out because now you're making your own
schedule and there's a lot more downtime and quiet time
and we're not really used to that as athletes. So
just to find ways to not fill the time with
unnecessary things, but in a way that that makes you
feel like, I don't know, like you're accomplished in your day.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, Sue has always been pretty into.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Sponsorships, commercials, TV appearances. You haven't necessarily I what are
you gonna do now? Are you gonna embrace the media
side and the TV side?
Speaker 5 (22:37):
I have a.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Strict uber schedule every morning in afternoon that I was
sticking to, you know, I it's actually been pretty funny
where I'm more busy now than I was when I
actually had a real job. Now I just show up
and talk a lot of shit and everyone's like right,
and I'm like, okay, cool, whatever, Like this is easy.
When before, like Sue said, it was get to the
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jim at a and then you had that strict schedule
of like pilates, weights, training room, encore, extra shooting, like
there was that to hold on to. Where now there
are times when I'm sitting on the couch, like, boy,
I've been watching a lot of TV.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Let me go trim my bushes.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
You know, if Bush isn't Phoenix.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Oh yeah, my hedge game is strong.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
And now I understand why people are so like addicted
to the like grass like I get it now, I
get it. But you know, I've had this incredible time
to really spend with Penny and the kids that in
the last four or five years just hasn't been there
because when you are in season, when you're on a team,
you're just so focused on your team, on your performance,
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on getting ready for whether you're in season for the
next season, for the off season. So it's been really
nice to be present and appreciate what Penny's done for
the last five years and you know, keeping the household
going and the kids, they take up so much of
your time and it's such valuable time and to be
present that's probably been the best thing.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Are you gonna still get to use all those new facilities?
I imagine like you could give yourself a nice schedule
over there, getting your makeup done and workouts in and
sauna and everything else.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
You know, it's funny. Once you're out, you're out.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
What I don't have the key card for life?
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Oh no, I mean I can go in whenever.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I've got a key card at multiple facilities and New
York some people.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Still gotta pay fees, club fees. No, you know what
it's since I've retired, I've been in the building once. Yeah,
you know, I think sometimes space is good and I
want to keep my space from the team to let
the new generation come in and put their own stamp
on it. And you know, when it's time to go
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back and cheer them on, I'm gonna be part of
the X factor now.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Uh so I'll go back and be their number one fan.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Do you have aspirations to get into ownership or coaching
or front office?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
What are you thinking about? No, rush, take your time,
but what are you thinking about? I think Sue.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Obviously we had this conversation on a touch more during
the pandemic which ran a little bit over, like three
hours over, and I think ownership is the one thing
that Sue and I have always had in our mind.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
It's something that is when.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
You get to this point, is not only do you
want to be at the table, you want to make decisions.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
You know, for a long time.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
We've had to be around people that have these positions
that you think are smarter than you, and they're not.
And I think we're both in a position where we
would like to use our expertise in our experience to
change the future of women's basketball.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I've had a lot of guests on my show that
are former athletes that are trying to break into ownership
or front office space, and one of the things that
they harp on that I agree with so much, particularly
from my time in ownership with Chicago Red Stars, even
as a media not former athlete, but coming into a
space that has a lot of people that aren't always
working in sports day to day and not always people
that used to play. Hey, what they think the athlete
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wants and what the athlete does want is completely different.
But also if they just communicated better with their athletes
about why they make certain choices, the athletes would better
understand financial restraints and everything else. So Sue, when you
think about the future of the w and maybe even
somewhere like Unrivaled or Athletes Unlimited, all these different leagues,
where do you see the biggest opportunity for those leagues
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to link with players to figure out how to move
forward and do things right.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
I mean you kind of said it.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Having the open lines of communication is really important. I
think what I started to learn towards the end of
my career and definitely in retirement is we're the experts.
It's just what it is. We lived this life. We
understand it. We understand every nuance, which is definitely something
that gets lost. I think you can watch a game,
you can even be in an ownership group and you're
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on the sideline watching, but you're never going to really know.
So having the open line of communication, having people like myself,
like Diane, like I'm sure the athletes you spoke to
who lived it, have them in those rooms where they
can kind of bridge that gap.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
I think that's really important. I do think.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
The big opportunity in women's sports right now is in
the content world.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
I think it's in the storytelling.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
It continues to live there being able to have shoulder content.
It's amazing all these media deals we're seeing, and we're
gonna have so many more games on TV in the
WNBA this summer, more than I mean any of us
could have really imagined, but you got to have something
to accompany that. Right, what did we want for so long?
We wanted a studio show. Okay, now we finally have one.
Now we need to have, for lack of a better,
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the equivalent of NBA today, Right, we need to have
the shoulder programming to tell the That's what it continues
to be. What gets people most invested is feeling connected
to these players. And again we're the experts. I always
use my big fat Greek wedding, the line from My
Big freck Greek wedding where the wife is like to
her daughter.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
I forget the names. You know, the husband is the head,
but the wife, the wife is the neck.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
So there's a lot of people who are smart and
they have a head for things.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
We're the neck. We can tell you where to look
and tell you how to tell these stories.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Okay, Danny, what do you see as something that the
leagues need to change or listen to players about going forward?
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Where should we start?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
I mean, look, I think the biggest change of the
way I've looked at the WNBA specifically in the last
maybe a couple months, is, you know, we can harp
on what the league was, you know, and we've experienced
that since day one.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
And not only that, all the people that have made
the WNBA is so successful.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
I mean you can go back to you know, it's
first decade and players, staff refs.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
I mean this is it really takes a large community
of people who love the.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Game of basketball, who love is you know, specifically women's basketball,
and the future is really bright. Just to change is
in the last two three years that you know, I
think both Sue and I have we've seen that change
and we've been a part of it. It's really important
to know where we've been, but it's even more important
to know where we're going. And we have to have
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people that really love the game, that understand the game
and positions that can make you know, change that you
can feel at a player level. And I would say
they've been doing that for the most part.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
The W I think, is going to have to react
to unrivaled because a couple of things that they did
as a result of having Nafisa Collier and Brianna Stewart
creating that league in a way that they wanted to
see it. There are constraints for the W being connected
to the NBA and being bigger and travel and all
the other things. But I think there's some aspects of
unrivaled that they're gonna have to pay attention to. One
aspect I paid attention to was the one v one tournament.
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You heard a lot of the guys saying too, I
can't believe they beat us to this. I can't believe
our ego has gotten the way of us doing this
because the men aren't sure they want to put their
names on the line like that. I don't want you
to think too hard about this, so I want you
to go with your gut. One women's basketball player from
history of all time at their peak, who would win
the all time one v one Cheryl miller.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Man, I just a couple names popped in my head.
Can I cheat first with a couple? Cappy Pondexter popped
in my head, Angel mccawtree popped in my head.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Those two I think would be really tough.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
But what we learned by watching was size man, those
big still got the advantage.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
They need to figure that out. The unicorns the rules
didn't help.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
I didn't like that should make a host claw, MiG
a host claw. I mean, if you talk about like
the big bodyguards. The six foot she's like the og unicorn.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Yeah, like the bigger. The bigger guards probably have the
biggest advantage.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, because that is what we learned.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I thought that the bigs would get tired or they
wouldn't have that first step, and instead they could adjust
quickly enough and their length absolutely killed the guards in
those one be ones.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Do a full court the short shot clock you never was.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
It was too fast, so it favored the bigs. It
didn't give the Smalls a chance.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
We got to take a quick break more with Sue
and Diana after this.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
All right, I have a surprise for Diana. I know
we've never met, so this was a real this one.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
We surprised there a bunch last night. I'm not in
this one. This is all Sarah.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I hope you like it, and you're two people away,
so Sue can jump in if instead you feel like
punching me.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
But it's a little retirement surprise.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I'm a Chicago Sky fan from Chicago, and if you
all remember, back in twenty twenty one, the Sky won
their first WNBA title against your Phoenix Mercury. You were
rightly frustrated and sad after the loss. You allegedly broke
a door in the sky locker room, and then the
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guy brought said door on stage for their championship rally
in Grant Park, which was a very DT move in
my opinion.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I felt like you had to respect that a little.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
I'm still in their head, Yeah, oh I was.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Their celebration tells you a lot about that team. Well played,
but I didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
So in honor of your retirement, as you ride off
into the sunset, I have purchased you a bench in
Door County, Wisconsin. It is at a park called Whitefish
Dune State Park, a lovely high traffic area with great
views of the sunset. There is a plaque on the
bench I bought that reads for d Tarrasi, who always
hated doors. Can I see a picture of this ere
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It is not up yet. They're currently building the bench.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
I love this.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
There will be an elaborate ribbon cutting.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Ceremony and all listers of my show that go to
Door County and take a picture on the Diana Tarrassi bench,
we'll receive a special exclusive sticker that said I sat
on the d Tarasi bench and forever while people are
enjoying a sunset they'll think about the sunset of your
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career and.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Doors well played, Sarah Spain.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
We'll see if I can get Capital one to fund
a trip for you out to the bench for the
ribbon cutting. As long as I I Wisconsin, I have
to ask Door County.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
Oh, Door County.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, Sue's finally catching at it.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
I was like, is there a sitcom in this, like
Shit's Creek?
Speaker 2 (33:37):
No?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
No, just her complicated relationship with Doors. Yes, before we go.
We close every show with a little good game, good
game fu. It's like a handshake line at the end
of a good game. There's always one person you would
not say good game too. You would say fu too.
So I'll get us started, and then I need some
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fuse from you two. So good game, Diana, good game, Sue,
f you Doors?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Oh Doors?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I was like, Doris, No, no, Doris, Doris, Burt, we
love Doors, Burt.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
If you end of the college hoop season, who you
want to f not like that phrasing, phrasing married Zero's
my bad?
Speaker 5 (34:29):
So who you f youwing? Good game? Good game?
Speaker 6 (34:38):
Tampa humidity. Although it's good for the curl the curly girlies.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Oh, I don't look for the I pretend I'm not
curly and I straighten it and then it wants to
go back to its home.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Yeah, good game, good game if you retirement jokes.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Oh there we go. All right, big round of applause
for these goats. Everyone, make your way to Door County
and visit the bench. I'll let you know when it's up.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Don't sit on me, don't sit on.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Good Game with Sarah Spain is an iHeart women's sports
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Our editors are Emily Rutterer, Britney Martinez, and Grace Lynch.
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Our associate producer is Lucy Jones and I'm your host
Sarah Spain
Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're alternating
cheers and tears as we celebrate Pagebeckers going out a champ,
Congrats to Yukon. So much more on the NCAA title
game tomorrow, but on today's show, you'll hear from two
of the greatest to ever do it, Diana Tarassi and
Sue Bird. It's a very special episode of Good Game
with Sarah Spain that took place Saturday afternoon at the
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Tampa Convention Center in front of a live audience at Tourneytown,
presented by Capitol One. We talked about the state of
the women's game, the things that the two learned from
each other, DT's post retirement plans, and a very special
gift we purchased for Diana to honor her career.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It's all coming up right after this joining me now.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
She's one of the greatest tubers of all time, a
four time WNBA Champ, a thirteen time WNBA All Star,
five time Olympic gold medalist, two time NCAA champion at Yukon,
including a perfect thirty nine and oh season already a
multi hyphenate post retirement, the only WNBA player to win
titles in three different decades. She's got her own Barbie
doll and today she was officially inducted into the Hall
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of Fame. It's super bird. I asked her for an
autograph backstage. She said, it's five hundred dollars more now
because she writes hof on it what the joining her?
She's arguably the greatest of all time, the leading scorer
in WNBA history, the first basketball player to win six
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Olympic gold medals, five time WNBA scoring champion, fourteen time
All WNBA Selection League MVP. In two thousand and nine,
she led the Mercury to three WNBA titles and led
the Yukon Huskies to three straight national titles, including that
thirty nine to no undefeated season. It's the White Mamba,
Diana Tarassi, Oh my gosh, I've dreamed of this day
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in my mind. This is like Voltron getting together. But
you guys are like, who's this. I'm just I'm so excited.
And I was watching a little bit of The Burden
Taroste Show last night. I was at the game, so
I couldn't watch, but I watched a little. Today we
got a bolo tie, we got a sash and a Tiara,
we got some big SIPs out of those.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Out of those yeties. We don't have yeties today or
what was in them. We won't ask what was in them.
We don't have them.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
But I'd like you to get as loose as you did.
So we're gonna start with a little game if you
look beneath you. They made fancy paddles, but I prefer
the ones I made.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Show the crowd. We've got some classic Oh how old
are you?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I'm I think I'm in high school here, I'm like
a junior in high school.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I'm definitely a freshman in high school. Yeah, the braces,
the braces for four years.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
In high school. Thanks mom.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh wow, good timing, mom.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, your teeth are great though, so thanks mom.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Okay, we're gonna do a little more likely too, and
you're gonna hold up the face that is more likely
to do something yours or your friends.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Number one, more likely to talk back to a coach.
We got to Diana's on that one. That one's easy.
More likely to get in a fight with a teammate.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
I see where this is going. I see where this
is going.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
More likely to take over the locker room playlist.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Okay, we got Sue.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Finally, Susan in the game.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
More likely to have one too many adult beverages at
a postgame celebration.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Oh, don't let her fool you, don't let her full.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
You won't know it. That's the point.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Until you'll know it until the next morning.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
You'll know it until the.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Next morning when she doesn't remember anything.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, that's my stuff. That's my stuff too. You weren't
even drunk last night. I'm like, oh, I don't recall
doing that, but I'm glad I kept it together back
in the day.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Of course, not not recently now, not like tomorrow or tonight.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
More likely to competently have a basic conversation with someone
in Russian.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
We heard a little Russian on the show last night.
Did you all hear that? When they shouted out alexandrovtchkin.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
The funny thing was, I yelled out, I want to
go home. But nobody's going.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
To know that.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
It was like if I was like, thank you, please hello,
but it sounded I bought it.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
I bought it.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I thought you both were saying something.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
We said we had good job, we said, like just
good in general.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
I yelled out, I want to go home. It just
came to me.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I said, I understand a little bit of Russian.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
To shoot perfect uh and the final most important one uh,
most likely to win a bowling matchup.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Oh, don't even I don't even know.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
I don't Okay, yeah, but we know that score.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Now what are we? What are we rolling over here?
Speaker 6 (04:35):
I break two hundred?
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Easy?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
What did you?
Speaker 5 (04:38):
I've never seen you bowled too?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Every time we played, I've in Moscow.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Yeah, well yes, every time.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
That's Russian math though, Yeah, I know, divided by Russians
love bowling, remember you talking about it, love bowling.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
I'm in like the hundreds.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
So you just admitted that she's better than you.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Absolutely, I get bored. Its growth.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
That's growth from all of us. I'm trying to turn.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
And you leave here retirement, a softer gentler tes or
grace I believe they call it these days.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
We're gonna get into that.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Actually, by now, you too are sort of a forever
linked to duo. But it all had to start somewhere,
and it started when a young Sue welcomed to young
Diana to the Yukon campus. You picked her up from
coach Geno's house during her recruiting visit. She hopped into
your ninety three Toyota Camry.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
You still drive that right? Oh?
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Yeah, yeah, vintage, they call it vintage.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
She put a CD in there. She remember any of
the songs from the CD?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Do you remember Wanna Be a balla shot Collar.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
On the Camela? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (05:42):
It was a lot of West Coast stuff.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Yeah. Soon knew how to like make sure I fell
at home very quickly.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, I mean she said on her show, she was like, listen,
whatever this trash she puts on. I have to be like, oh,
this is great because we want her to come here.
And then she was like, oh bangers, she.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
Let us keep the CD. I was like, this kid's great,
this kid's great.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Oh generous. Do you're famous for your fiery play?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Obviously retired as the all time leader in personal fouls
seventeen hundred and twenty.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, wow going also the all time leader in technical fouls.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, that's my kind of player. You had more than
one hundred and twenty. That's twice as many as the
next person.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Keep it going, Keep it going there.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So I guess I'm surprised to find that you have
rarely been ejected.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So I'm twice, only twice.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, so I'm curious what happens between the first technical
and the second and why can't you just harness that
self control before the first technical.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Well, actually it's a lot of self control to be
able to do that, to be able to get that
second technical knowing the night's over. But you know, the beauty,
the beautiful thing about it is every time I've gotten ejected,
my teammates always been like, thank you, we needed that.
We when we needed that tonight. That's gonna propel us
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for the next ten games. So you know, it was
more of a stand advice and I was willing to
take all the bullets.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
According to Sue, both times you got ejected, you sent
her a selfie from the locker room while the game
was still going.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
I found it.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
You found it.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
I found it.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
I might save it though, but I found it.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I'll just okay, I want to see.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
So you're just sitting in the locker room waiting for
the game to be over, like, I.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Guess, I'll send Sue a message.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Well, so one time I just was eating powdered donuts.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Face face, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
That's an injection.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
So proud of yourself now I'm.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Just like, look what I did top that? Sup?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
We tell us about the donuts.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
I was just powdered sugar.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Donuts, you know that big pack you get for your kids,
the little little donut holes.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
So I think we ended up winning the game.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Thank you, you mean you're welcome?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
And yeah I had How does sugar all over me
on my shooting shirt of those days?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Good finish ladies, well done.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Uh did you also have security send you a gin
and tonic?
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Security knows me really well. They sent me a gent tonic.
I was hanging out chilling.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
I think we lost that game though.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Nothing like coming back after a hard fought game and
seeing your teammate that copped out early, drinking a G
and T eating donuts.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
That's a leader. That's a leader right there.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
There's different ways of lead, sou there there are there.
Some break their nose and keep it going. Some clock
out early. Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Do I do have to ask, though?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You know, for all that fiery on court performance that
we see, you are known as much for your warmth
and generosity off the court. Sue told the SPN, you
make people feel like a thousand bucks. How do you
explain the difference between off court Diana and on court.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Well, I mean I think that is on court too,
you know, you.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Just not opposing.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I think it's just a lot of it is the
way I was brought up, something as simple as we
always had dinner together as a family every single night,
no matter how busy my parents were, no matter how
busy my sister was. And uh, you know that upbringing
always translated onto whatever team I was on, right, that
was my family.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
You know, that team, that unit was my family. And
I cheated him like my sisters every single season.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
And uh, you know, I think that's just as important
then how good you are actually playing basketball.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
At the end of the day, it's how can you
uplift the next person? How can you make them better?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
How can you make them feel a part of a team,
Whether you play forty minutes, whether you don't play, it's
all just as important.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
More with Sue Bird and Dinah Tarrassi coming up after
this break. Sue, you recently mentioned on your podcast A
Touch More with your fiance Megan Rapino Everyone Downloaded Subscribe
that you and Dinah talked about teaming up in the
WNBA over a bunch of red wine. You even reached
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out to your agents to see if you could make
it work, but ultimately neither of you ended up wanting
to leave your respective teams. Can you talk about why
you think you both remained so loyal to the teams
that drafted you and stuck there for your whole career?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Probably something about like childhood trauma. That's where all that
loyalty lives.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
Child Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm not really sure. It was more.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Listen, the night was going, the wine or whatever we
were drinking was flowing, and as it flowed, it started
to feel real. We're like, yeah, let's game this out,
let's do this. And then I would say, for me,
the minute I woke up the next day, it was like, yeah,
I don't want to leave Seattle, And like I said,
I'm not going to Phoenix and I knew she wasn't coming.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
I think what it was was, at that.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Point we'd already created a little bit of a legacy
in our cities, right, a little bit of a connection.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
If I had to guess the year again, I'm not
really sure, Like twenty twelve we had one in these cities,
and I ultimately, for me, I think there's something so
special about staying with the same team for your whole career.
So even though we like had this one night where
we played it out we were going to the New
York Liberty, We're going to bring them their first championship,
the reality was we were already living a version of
our own dream.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
And not only that, we were probably signed a three
year deals and being coored five times. Like you know,
the mobility to be able to go to a different
team really wasn't there in twenty twelve. You were kind
of stuck wherever you were drafted. And we were fortunate
enough to be in two great franchises, two great cities,
And like Sue said, there's nothing like being on a
team for twenty years knowing that you know you were
there through the highs, the lows, through the years when
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you won championships, didn't make the playoffs. There is a
sense of ownership, obviously, with Sue being an owner.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Literally literally.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
That when you play in one place for a long
long time, there are these relationships that mean more than
a banner.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
It means a lot to fans, and I think it's
unfair for fans to demy and that a player is
stay in a bad situation. But I also think I
understand why they care so much about the players that
do stick around through the highs and lows.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
You mentioned though, if.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You were starting your career now, contracts are different, freedom
to move is different. It is much less common for
a player to stay in the same place.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Do you think you would have moved now?
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Maybe?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
You know, the landscape is just so different now of
how these young kids.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
See their professional career.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
The rules that they're playing by are much different than
when we graduated from college. And you know, I think
it's amazing that throughout your career you get to really
dictate how you want it to be, where you want
to play, and there is power. Then I think that's
going to be one of the strong suits of the
WNBA going forward.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
So current players will never know what it was like
for the ogs. They've got charter flights, they've got beautiful
new practice facilities, they've got what soon to be expected
a very player friendly CBA Diana. Which part of the
new look w NBA Are you most jealous of that
players are starting right now with?
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Well, I mean, obviously the travel has been something we
always talked about. You know, when you're on a road trip,
and you know you're flying commercial, getting to cities super early,
getting to the airport.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
That just puts an extra.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Strain mentally physically on you know, the way you perform,
which is the most important thing.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
You know, you won't want to have the best product.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Do you want to feel the best you can physically
to be able to perform at your highest level. You know,
I got to experience a charter for the last two years.
It makes a difference in none of that.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
We played that. We we chartered for.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
A long time overseas, so it is something that for
some of us wasn't new in college.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
These kids are chartering. I think that piece has really
changed the game.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I do want to add one thing though, Okay, let's
I'm gonna keep it real. No way would I never
not choose chartering. Right if it's on the table commercial,
I'm choosing chartering. But something that's interesting and something I
really enjoyed about my WNBA experience was because we flew commercial,
we would play on Thursday night and we had to
stay over and you weren't able to leave till Friday,
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and so you were always able to go to dinner
with your friends on the other team. You're always able
to have these I guess social experiences that none of
these players, this new generation will ever have, and it
really does create I don't know, memories, bonds with your
own team, but also with your friends on other teams,
and that to me is a little sad, not sad
enough where I'm giving up charters, but it is a
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little sad that they're going to.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Miss out on that.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Well, I want to ask you about that.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I just recently had on my show, Tara Vandervere and
Muffett McGrath. They came on together to talk about their
battles during the tournament and getting more women into coaching,
and we kind of started talking about how they are
bittersweet about some of the changes to the game. They
both wonder if players love the game as much as
they used to because it is more complicated when you're
looking for nil payments, when you can transfer to a
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school that's offering you more in the middle of your career.
And they definitely had some pretty strong feelings about the
love of the game being gone and they're being something
really special about the game when y'all started. When you
look at all I mean, we want players to get paid.
We want them to have great professional opportunities. We want
nil money, we want the ability to move if you're
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not in a good situation. But is there something to
be said about not working through adversity, not fighting your
way into a starting lineup, or even something Muffett said,
which is like they should have to do something before
they get paid. They're getting paid for like community service now,
and they're gonna leave school and be like, oh no,
I don't get one hundred thousand dollars to sit here.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
I am a little torn.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I do think there's something about grinding it out, playing
through the adversity, all that stuff. I think eventually what
will happen is there might be a little bit of
a lull in this generation where they did just get paid. Sidebar,
something we've always wanted is to be paid on potential.
Men are always paid on their potential. We've always had
to prove it eighteen thousand times and then maybe get paid.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
So it's hard for me to poo poo on it.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
But at the same time, there might be a little
bit of a lull where, you know, maybe players don't
take their quote unquote craft as seriously because they are
just getting paid right, But eventually, listen, college for the
last couple of years has been five years, it's usually four.
And the reality is, if you're a good player that's
going to go on to the WNBA, you're going to
be in that league for the next twenty years if
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you're lucky, maybe fifteen point being.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
The proof's in the pudding at that level.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
If you can't perform, if you can't play well a,
you won't get paid. You won't get the marketing deals.
You have to make that the main thing. So while
this generation is maybe getting paid before they've quote unquote
done anything, eventually they're going to figure out, oh, like,
I need to make sure basketball is my top priority.
And then the generation right behind them will have learned
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from that, will maybe have learned from those missteps in
their college career where maybe they didn't take it, you know,
or have that love and take it as seriously.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Yeah, everything SEUs said is spot on.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I mean, it's a different landscape for these college coaches,
isn't it.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
And they don't like it.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
It's easy when this coaches get these big deals and
you know they're at a school.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
For two years.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Oh hey, I'm gonna leave see you guys later, and
then you leave, you know, your upcoming class with a
new coach. They like that, though, don't they They don't
like the new landscape women's basketball.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
And like Sue said, men.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Get paid on potential all the time and there is
a balance and maybe that balance.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Isn't there yet, but they're working through all that. I mean,
I remember in.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
College I used to get a free car wash and
it was like the biggest deal ever.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
I'm like, it's just a car wash. He didn't let
me pay Actutra benefits.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I feel like maybe the statute of limitations isn't over.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
You might have to go back.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
I think she just told on herself.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Did you also get with your bagel? Because that's a
violation whatever.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
There's a statue of limitation.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
I think twenty years later, I'm stick good.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
You guys spent so many years playing together in the
States in Russia friends, Sue, what did you learn from
Diana man.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I learned how to make an afagato folgatto tip top dessert.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
No, I think with d it's Scott.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
How do I pick one thing? The whole idea of
somebody loving what they do and really dedicating themselves to
being great, but not having that only be their north star.
It wasn't like d you went to the gym every
day like I have to be the best player in
the world.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
It existed as like what the goal was. But she
she really.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Took care of the details and really took care I
mean we already talked about her relationship with her teammates
later in both of our careers.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
You have to learn to take care of your body.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
It was.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
There was so much about what she did in the details,
every single workout, every single moment. And then yeah, ultimately
you want to have the benefit of becoming the greatest
player ever, which she did. But I really enjoyed why
I got a court side seat to how she operated
every day.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Not just in the games, you know, not just what
you saw on TV.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Every single day, and she really, I mean you literally
showed up every single day to every single practice, every
single workout, every single you know, lifting session, everything, And
I really just had so much respect for that.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
What'd you learn from Sue?
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Wow, Sue makes a killer chicken pacata, you know.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I Mean I got to school.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
In Connecticut and Sue was the first person I met, and.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
There was something about Sue early early on.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
That fascinated me, the way she can walk into a
room and command a presence from every single person in there.
You know, everyone always talks about being a great leader.
You know you need to be a leader, You need
to be a we need a leader. You know, you're
only a leader if people follow. And Sue has this
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ability to lead in a way that makes everyone feel
a part of a group. And there's not many people
that are willing to put everything aside from their personal
benefit to make you better. And Sue's done that with
every single person, every single team she's played on. And
that skill you can't teach. And that's the skill that
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she has and no one else has in the whole world.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
That's really sweet.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I imagine Sue has some more lessons to teach you
about retirement.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yes, she says, a little bit ahead of you.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Now, I know that neither of you will ever be
a true NARP a non athletic retired person. But once
you're retired, non athletic regular person is the normal term.
But once you're retired, you're as close to a NARP
as it gets. What is your advice too, What are
your tips for not being able to get out all
that passion and fire and competitiveness on the court.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Oof, that one's tough. But she does have kids, so
there's that. There's a little bit of different retirement. No,
I think actually, speaking of kids, I used to make
fun of.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
My pregnant Wow, we would break some news on this show.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
No, I used to not make fun of it a
bad way.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
But with my sister when she started having kids, I
was like, what's with the schedule, Like why.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Can't my niece go to bed thirty minutes later? What's
the big deal?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
And it wasn't until I retired where I was like, oh,
we actually need schedule, you need a routine.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
And with sports, it just was naturally there.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Every single aspect of our life, even when we weren't.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
In season, was somehow scheduled out.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I got to get up at this time because my
workouts at this time, so I got to make sure
I eat it this time, And then where am I
going to get lunch after? Let me plan that out
because I need my protein shake. And it was just
your entire existence was mapped out in a sense, and
when you retire, that is all gone. Now you do
have kids, you are on a little bit of a, Well,
they're not toddlers, but you aren't a little bit of
a kid's schedule.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
But really the hardest part for me.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Was figuring that out because now you're making your own
schedule and there's a lot more downtime and quiet time
and we're not really used to that as athletes. So
just to find ways to not fill the time with
unnecessary things, but in a way that that makes you
feel like, I don't know, like you're accomplished in your day.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, Sue has always been pretty into.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Sponsorships, commercials, TV appearances. You haven't necessarily I what are
you gonna do now? Are you gonna embrace the media
side and the TV side?
Speaker 5 (22:37):
I have a.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Strict uber schedule every morning in afternoon that I was
sticking to, you know, I it's actually been pretty funny
where I'm more busy now than I was when I
actually had a real job. Now I just show up
and talk a lot of shit and everyone's like right,
and I'm like, okay, cool, whatever, Like this is easy.
When before, like Sue said, it was get to the
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jim at a and then you had that strict schedule
of like pilates, weights, training room, encore, extra shooting, like
there was that to hold on to. Where now there
are times when I'm sitting on the couch, like, boy,
I've been watching a lot of TV.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Let me go trim my bushes.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
You know, if Bush isn't Phoenix.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Oh yeah, my hedge game is strong.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
And now I understand why people are so like addicted
to the like grass like I get it now, I
get it. But you know, I've had this incredible time
to really spend with Penny and the kids that in
the last four or five years just hasn't been there
because when you are in season, when you're on a team,
you're just so focused on your team, on your performance,
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on getting ready for whether you're in season for the
next season, for the off season. So it's been really
nice to be present and appreciate what Penny's done for
the last five years and you know, keeping the household
going and the kids, they take up so much of
your time and it's such valuable time and to be
present that's probably been the best thing.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Are you gonna still get to use all those new facilities?
I imagine like you could give yourself a nice schedule
over there, getting your makeup done and workouts in and
sauna and everything else.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
You know, it's funny. Once you're out, you're out.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
What I don't have the key card for life?
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Oh no, I mean I can go in whenever.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I've got a key card at multiple facilities and New
York some people.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Still gotta pay fees, club fees. No, you know what
it's since I've retired, I've been in the building once. Yeah,
you know, I think sometimes space is good and I
want to keep my space from the team to let
the new generation come in and put their own stamp
on it. And you know, when it's time to go
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back and cheer them on, I'm gonna be part of
the X factor now.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Uh so I'll go back and be their number one fan.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Do you have aspirations to get into ownership or coaching
or front office?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
What are you thinking about? No, rush, take your time,
but what are you thinking about? I think Sue.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Obviously we had this conversation on a touch more during
the pandemic which ran a little bit over, like three
hours over, and I think ownership is the one thing
that Sue and I have always had in our mind.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
It's something that is when.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
You get to this point, is not only do you
want to be at the table, you want to make decisions.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
You know, for a long time.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
We've had to be around people that have these positions
that you think are smarter than you, and they're not.
And I think we're both in a position where we
would like to use our expertise in our experience to
change the future of women's basketball.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I've had a lot of guests on my show that
are former athletes that are trying to break into ownership
or front office space, and one of the things that
they harp on that I agree with so much, particularly
from my time in ownership with Chicago Red Stars, even
as a media not former athlete, but coming into a
space that has a lot of people that aren't always
working in sports day to day and not always people
that used to play. Hey, what they think the athlete
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wants and what the athlete does want is completely different.
But also if they just communicated better with their athletes
about why they make certain choices, the athletes would better
understand financial restraints and everything else. So Sue, when you
think about the future of the w and maybe even
somewhere like Unrivaled or Athletes Unlimited, all these different leagues,
where do you see the biggest opportunity for those leagues
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to link with players to figure out how to move
forward and do things right.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
I mean you kind of said it.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Having the open lines of communication is really important. I
think what I started to learn towards the end of
my career and definitely in retirement is we're the experts.
It's just what it is. We lived this life. We
understand it. We understand every nuance, which is definitely something
that gets lost. I think you can watch a game,
you can even be in an ownership group and you're
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on the sideline watching, but you're never going to really know.
So having the open line of communication, having people like myself,
like Diane, like I'm sure the athletes you spoke to
who lived it, have them in those rooms where they
can kind of bridge that gap.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
I think that's really important. I do think.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
The big opportunity in women's sports right now is in
the content world.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
I think it's in the storytelling.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
It continues to live there being able to have shoulder content.
It's amazing all these media deals we're seeing, and we're
gonna have so many more games on TV in the
WNBA this summer, more than I mean any of us
could have really imagined, but you got to have something
to accompany that. Right, what did we want for so long?
We wanted a studio show. Okay, now we finally have one.
Now we need to have, for lack of a better,
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the equivalent of NBA today, Right, we need to have
the shoulder programming to tell the That's what it continues
to be. What gets people most invested is feeling connected
to these players. And again we're the experts. I always
use my big fat Greek wedding, the line from My
Big freck Greek wedding where the wife is like to
her daughter.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
I forget the names. You know, the husband is the head,
but the wife, the wife is the neck.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
So there's a lot of people who are smart and
they have a head for things.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
We're the neck. We can tell you where to look
and tell you how to tell these stories.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Okay, Danny, what do you see as something that the
leagues need to change or listen to players about going forward?
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Where should we start?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
I mean, look, I think the biggest change of the
way I've looked at the WNBA specifically in the last
maybe a couple months, is, you know, we can harp
on what the league was, you know, and we've experienced
that since day one.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
And not only that, all the people that have made
the WNBA is so successful.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
I mean you can go back to you know, it's
first decade and players, staff refs.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
I mean this is it really takes a large community
of people who love the.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Game of basketball, who love is you know, specifically women's basketball,
and the future is really bright. Just to change is
in the last two three years that you know, I
think both Sue and I have we've seen that change
and we've been a part of it. It's really important
to know where we've been, but it's even more important
to know where we're going. And we have to have
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people that really love the game, that understand the game
and positions that can make you know, change that you
can feel at a player level. And I would say
they've been doing that for the most part.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
The W I think, is going to have to react
to unrivaled because a couple of things that they did
as a result of having Nafisa Collier and Brianna Stewart
creating that league in a way that they wanted to
see it. There are constraints for the W being connected
to the NBA and being bigger and travel and all
the other things. But I think there's some aspects of
unrivaled that they're gonna have to pay attention to. One
aspect I paid attention to was the one v one tournament.
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You heard a lot of the guys saying too, I
can't believe they beat us to this. I can't believe
our ego has gotten the way of us doing this
because the men aren't sure they want to put their
names on the line like that. I don't want you
to think too hard about this, so I want you
to go with your gut. One women's basketball player from
history of all time at their peak, who would win
the all time one v one Cheryl miller.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Man, I just a couple names popped in my head.
Can I cheat first with a couple? Cappy Pondexter popped
in my head, Angel mccawtree popped in my head.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Those two I think would be really tough.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
But what we learned by watching was size man, those
big still got the advantage.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
They need to figure that out. The unicorns the rules
didn't help.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
I didn't like that should make a host claw, MiG
a host claw. I mean, if you talk about like
the big bodyguards. The six foot she's like the og unicorn.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Yeah, like the bigger. The bigger guards probably have the
biggest advantage.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, because that is what we learned.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I thought that the bigs would get tired or they
wouldn't have that first step, and instead they could adjust
quickly enough and their length absolutely killed the guards in
those one be ones.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Do a full court the short shot clock you never was.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
It was too fast, so it favored the bigs. It
didn't give the Smalls a chance.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
We got to take a quick break more with Sue
and Diana after this.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
All right, I have a surprise for Diana. I know
we've never met, so this was a real this one.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
We surprised there a bunch last night. I'm not in
this one. This is all Sarah.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I hope you like it, and you're two people away,
so Sue can jump in if instead you feel like
punching me.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
But it's a little retirement surprise.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I'm a Chicago Sky fan from Chicago, and if you
all remember, back in twenty twenty one, the Sky won
their first WNBA title against your Phoenix Mercury. You were
rightly frustrated and sad after the loss. You allegedly broke
a door in the sky locker room, and then the
(32:00):
guy brought said door on stage for their championship rally
in Grant Park, which was a very DT move in
my opinion.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I felt like you had to respect that a little.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
I'm still in their head, Yeah, oh I was.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Their celebration tells you a lot about that team. Well played,
but I didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
So in honor of your retirement, as you ride off
into the sunset, I have purchased you a bench in
Door County, Wisconsin. It is at a park called Whitefish
Dune State Park, a lovely high traffic area with great
views of the sunset. There is a plaque on the
bench I bought that reads for d Tarrasi, who always
hated doors. Can I see a picture of this ere
(32:47):
It is not up yet. They're currently building the bench.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
I love this.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
There will be an elaborate ribbon cutting.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Ceremony and all listers of my show that go to
Door County and take a picture on the Diana Tarrassi bench,
we'll receive a special exclusive sticker that said I sat
on the d Tarasi bench and forever while people are
enjoying a sunset they'll think about the sunset of your
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career and.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Doors well played, Sarah Spain.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
We'll see if I can get Capital one to fund
a trip for you out to the bench for the
ribbon cutting. As long as I I Wisconsin, I have
to ask Door County.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
Oh, Door County.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, Sue's finally catching at it.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
I was like, is there a sitcom in this, like
Shit's Creek?
Speaker 2 (33:37):
No?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
No, just her complicated relationship with Doors. Yes, before we go.
We close every show with a little good game, good
game fu. It's like a handshake line at the end
of a good game. There's always one person you would
not say good game too. You would say fu too.
So I'll get us started, and then I need some
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fuse from you two. So good game, Diana, good game, Sue,
f you Doors?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Oh Doors?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I was like, Doris, No, no, Doris, Doris, Burt, we
love Doors, Burt.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
If you end of the college hoop season, who you
want to f not like that phrasing, phrasing married Zero's
my bad?
Speaker 5 (34:29):
So who you f youwing? Good game? Good game?
Speaker 6 (34:38):
Tampa humidity. Although it's good for the curl the curly girlies.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Oh, I don't look for the I pretend I'm not
curly and I straighten it and then it wants to
go back to its home.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Yeah, good game, good game if you retirement jokes.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Oh there we go. All right, big round of applause
for these goats. Everyone, make your way to Door County
and visit the bench. I'll let you know when it's up.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Don't sit on me, don't sit on.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Good Game with Sarah Spain is an iHeart women's sports
production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You
can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or
wherever you get your podcasts. Production by Wonder Media Network,
our producers are Alex Azzie and Misha Jones. Our executive
producers are Christina Everett, Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan, and Emily Rudder.
Our editors are Emily Rutterer, Britney Martinez, and Grace Lynch.
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Our associate producer is Lucy Jones and I'm your host
Sarah Spain
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