Group Chat: The Hot Take Economy with Elle Duncan & Monica McNutt

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're googling
restaurants in the Pearl District, pre ordering Kate Fagan's new
book at Powell's, and scouring vintage shops for a Portland
Fire tee.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
The WNBA is back in the Rose City.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
On today's show, it's group Chat with l duncan and
Monica McNutt. They joined me to talk about a breakout
season for the WNBA, Caitlin Clark Mania and postseason expectations,
plus w playoff scenarios galore, nostalgia overdoors, and gold medals
of a different kind.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
It's all coming up right after this Welcome back. Here's
what you need to know today. It's official.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
On Wednesday, the WNBA confirmed that Portland, Oregon, is getting
a team that will begin play in the twenty twenty
sixth season. Portland previously had a WNBA team, the Portland Fire,
from two thousand through two thousand and two. We're hoping
for a better team name and mascot this time around,
and of course for it to last more than a
couple of years. Shout out to our girl Jenny Winn
at the Sports Bra who threw a pop up block

(01:01):
party to celebrate the new team yesterday. Game days at
the BRA are going to be lit. We'll talk more
about w team number fifteen later in the show with
Alan Monica.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
A couple major.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Moments happened Tuesday night after we recorded our show. First,
in the Las Vegas Aces win over the Seattle Storm,
Asia Wilson broke the record for most rebounds at a
single season, surpassing the mark set by Chicago Sky rookie
Angel Rees earlier this season before she got injured. Wilson's
now at four fifty one and counting with one game left,
and yeah, that means she broke the season record for

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points and the season record for rebounds in the same year.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Girls on Fire.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Also Tuesday, Tina Charles had a big night, scoring sixteen
points and napping fourteen rebounds in Atlanta's eighty six to
seventy win over the Chicago Sky, tying the WNBA double
double record by recording the one hundred and ninety third
of her career. She also became just the second player
in WNBA regular season history to reach four thousand rebounds
and the only player with over seven thousand points to

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go with those four thousand boards, and in the La
Sparks Phoenix Mercury game. There was an altercation between Sparks
rookie Rakia Jackson and Mercury star Britney Griner. Both were
ejected late in the first half after nearly coming to
blows following a free throw box out that escalated. There
were no real punches, you know, just basketball shoves. The
real knockout blows came in the comment section after they

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got bounced. Both were in those comments before the game
was even over. I could picture them in the locker room,
sitting on their phones typing away. Somebody wrote not Rakia
running away, to which she responded, creating space for the
size up booky butt mnba Alum. Stephen Jackson wrote, Rikia
a Jackson. We can all fight. Britt had time for

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a lot of people. Someone said that's it. Back to Russia,
you go. Grinder responded, come and get me. Then some
highly evolved human wrote why is that man always trying
to fight these women? Britney responded, because mfors want to
try me and they can get this action. And then
finally someone wrote Britney wasn't tough in Russia, and Britt wrote,
and yo ass would have been someone bitch, So, like

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I said, they both had time. The WNBA, on the
other hand, hasn't had time to offer up any fines
or follow up because they've been too busy announcing a
new team. So we'll get you updated on suspension, spines,
anything else that comes as the results of this kerfuffle
when we get the news. Tonight is the final night
of the WNBA regular season, and every team is in action.

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That means six count them, six games. Here's where the
playoff picture stands. The New York Liberty officially clinched the
number one seed in the playoffs with a win against
the Washington Mystics on Tuesday night. This is the franchise
is second time is the top seed and first since
twenty fifteen. The Minnesota Links are now locked in at
number two thanks to their seventy eight seventy six win
over Connecticut on Tuesday and their thirteen and one record

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since the Olympic break. Connecticut and Las Vegas are currently
third and fourth and guaranteed home court advantage in the
first round of the playoffs, but they could flip flop
in the standings based on tonight's results if it comes
down to a tiebreaker. Vegas gets it thanks to their
three and zero record against the Sun this season. Which
ever team finishes fourth will play the number five Seattle Storm,
while the third place seed will get number six Indiana.

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Phoenix is locked in at number seven, so they'll play
the Links, but the final playoff spot, which will be
in New York's first round opponent.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Is still up for grabs. Here we go.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Atlanta currently holds the number eight seed with a fourteen
to twenty five record, and they control their own destiny
with Washington and Chicago both one game back, so if
Atlanta beas the Liberty tonight, they're in full stop. If Atlanta, Washington,
and Chicago all lose, then Atlanta is in. If Washington
wins and Atlanta and Chicago lose, Atlanta is in. If

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Washington and Chicago win but Atlanta loses, Washington is in.
And the only way that my Chicago Sky can grab
the number eight is if they win and Atlanta and
Washington lose.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
You got all that? Okay?

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Good?

Speaker 1 (04:50):
The four teams that don't make the playoffs participate in
the WNBA Draft lottery for the number one pick, and
given the absolutely stacked class of prospects coming into the
league next season, say missing the playoffs may not be
the worst thing that happens to those teams. Will include
a schedule for tonight's games in our show notes and
get ready going to be another multi screen Night two
Soccer and the NWSL A league first. Next Monday, Gotham

(05:14):
FC will be honored at the White House for their
twenty twenty three NWSL title, marking the first time in
NWSL club has been invited to the President's House to
celebrate a league title. Given that Gotham initially dropped the
ball last ball after the team.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Won the title.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
No parade, no big public fan celebration, It's good to
see the team receive this honor. And in Goat News,
the legendary Billy Jean King is said to become the
first individual female athlete to be awarded the Congressional Gold Medal.
This award, which is bestowed by US Congress, is considered
the highest US civilian honor, along with the Presidential Medal

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of Freedom, which King was awarded in two thousand and
nine by former President Barack Obama. The bill to honor
King with the Congressional Gold Medal was introduced last September
on the fiftieth anniversary of King's victory in the Battle
of the Sexes. She's now set to receive the award
after the bill pass the House of Representatives on Tuesday.
Now it's headed to President Joe Biden for his signature.

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We're gonna take a quick break. When we come back,
it's group Chat time with the newly married Monica McNutt
and dj iPad L Duncan.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
It's time for group Chat where we take the tea
from the text to the airwaves. Joining us today.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
She's a sports center anchor, Around the Horn, panelist, co
host of the YouTube show and podcast The L. Duncan Show,
the women's college basketball host for ESPN's College Game Day,
and one third of the wildly popular Big Three that
covered women's March Madness last year. She's mostly responsible for
the hashtag girl dad trend for better or for worse.
She had a voice like an angel and once had
a record deal. She made a cameo in the movie
Ride Along, and she's the best. Damn DJ you simply

(06:46):
cannot afford It's L Duncan.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Ell? That was a hell of a bio. Sarah Spanya.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Also, to be clear, I'm dj iPad. I literally just
played from a playlist.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
It doesn't matter. The results are good. It's funny joining her.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
She's a WNBA NBA in College Basketball analyst for ESPN,
appearing on First Take Around the Horn, NBA Today Sports Center,
among others. She's a studio analyst for the New York Nicks,
host of MSGPM on MSG Networks, a former hooper for
the Georgetown Hoyas, a workout fiend, and she's still got
that newlywed glow.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
It's not coming Nu, what's up Spain? Hi El So
good to be here with you, guys.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
I am so glad to have both of you real
quick on highlight from the wedding.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
God so many honestly, so I told my planner early on.
I was like, I don't care what happens, but I
want this. You got to kick everybody out at the
end of the night so we can have a final
dance together. It's like my favorite thing.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Wait, that's really romantic.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
It was cute.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
It wasn't like a super like we did something someone
like you by snow legrope. So it was like still
cheery and fun and like.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Just a moment for us, though amazing It's like the
opposite of my wedding, where we were still partying with
everybody else, still five in the morning.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, it was like, oh no, they met us.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
I'm for us.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
It was just right they met us downstairs. Don't look good?

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Okay, okay?

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Happy almost WNBA playoffs Tonight are the final games of
the season. Let's talk about big picture because mom, the
league just announced another expansion team in Portland. It's going
to join the teams in Toronto and the Bay Area
that are coming in the next couple of years. People
have been clamoring for this, especially when we see talented
players not.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Make a roster. Is the league ready for sixteen seventeen teams?

Speaker 5 (08:27):
You know, I think we are as close as we've
ever been. And I don't say that to skirt the question.
I want to be clear. I was honestly hesitant about
the concept of expansion until you had twelve robust teams competing,
and frankly, with the way things have evolved in the
last honestly, what when did the Mystics become a factor
in the last three weeks? Like certainly posted a big break,

(08:49):
Like the Mystics all of a sudden are in contention
like LA and Dallas. Literally Dallas, I think earlier this
week was mathematically eliminated like Dallas was. Or excuse me,
LA was the first dominava mall. But you really had
teams that were still fighting and still are fighting for
that eighth spot. And so I do think and even
when you think about the teams that struggled this year injuries, right, like,
what does LA look like if Cameron brin can stay healthy?

(09:10):
What does the what do the mystics look like organizationally
if not for this thing around Elena del Don fantastic
as she is, but like they're sort of hamstrung. They
make those trades midway through the season, like you see
Chicago beginning to build, like Dallas didn't have my girl
most of the season, right, Like, what did they look
like potentially being healthy? So even as you look at

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the teams that were sort of bottom for fighting for
that eighth spot, there's a.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Real argument that they are now in a position to compete.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
Sincerely, So where as close as we've ever been to expansion,
I'm getting ready for it.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
I don't know that I would have picked Portland as
that city, but here we go.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, I mean I do think at least a lot
has changed since the original iteration of the Portland fire,
so I'm also excited to see how the city reacts
to getting a team back.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Okay, so back to this season. We have seen a
lot of records fall.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
It was only the second season with forty games, but
plenty of the best performances what have set a new
mark even if they had been in previous years with
fewer games. We've also seen a lot of records fall
in terms of things like viewership and attendance. So, Elle,
how do you think the league has handled this moment
stepped into this moment of increased spotlight and attention and attendance.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
I'm going to take a page from some of the
players that tend to tweet whenever some of these really
big matchups end up on ION on Fridays, And it's
no disrespect to Ion because you know, certainly, I think
for all of us, like we work at ESPN, we
have a vested interest in making sure that all the
big games are on our network. And certainly we know
that ESPN has been at the forefront of women's sports

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in general, but also the w We also understand it's
just fans of this space. It's great business that there's competition.
Other people need to have media rights, other people need
to spend money. That's how we're going to go from
some of these paltry salaries to salaries that are more
fitting of their talent. But I would say in general
leaning in to one specif sort of narrative and storyline,

(11:02):
I feel like at the beginning of the season, clearly
we were going to go all in on the rookies,
in particular the one rookie in Indiana. I'm not sure
that we did a great job pivoting though, to expand
some of those stories, Like I'm not sure that sort
of simply patting ourselves on the back that every time
the Fever played a game, every time the Fever and

(11:23):
the Sky played a game, that the ratings were like
we kind of sort of already expected that, especially coming
from the college space. I wish that maybe we had
done a little bit of a better job in sort
of making sure that some of those other storylines that
weren't getting as much attention.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Were brought to the forefront.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
I also think to be a little critical of the
league itself that while we want us to lean into
sort of the rivalry part of Angel Rees and Caitlin Clark.
It's important. It's integral to any sport to sort of
have animosity and to build rivalries. I'm not sure that
really anyone was in a position to do a great

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job of sort of explaining why so much of the
vitriol that we've seen in social media in particular exists.
I'm not sure. And like, the truth is is that
you've got leaders in this space, like the China Robinson,
like Monica McNutt, like Andrea Carter, like Jenea Gumakay, like
Carolyn Peck, like Rebecca Lobo, who have sort of been

(12:19):
doing that on their own and trying to sort of
like champion that, and like this.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Is why this exists.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
And you don't understand. It's a long history of this
group of women feeling like they were underserved, under utilized,
and the sort of white savior complex that came along
with it. And I just don't think that we were
And I say we, I just mean the landscape in
general was prepared to have these tough conversations. And now
the league itself has done a lot of oh well,
we love the rivalry part, but without addressing the other

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part of it, which is nasty and not good and
not okay. And so I think finding the balance of
the sort of hot take economy which is important in
growing the sport, you know, I mean, MANI like we
know you on first take, like the idea they spent
forty five minutes talking about WNBA on that kind of
stuff is important. But I think finding the right balance

(13:08):
of hot take economy mixed with like actual understanding and
knowledge of why this entire thing exists in the first
place is something that we probably failed at this year
and I'm hoping is something that everyone collectively can do
a better job of next year.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, I completely agree with that, and Monica, I wanted
to ask about that because I do think one thing
at the beginning of the season that I was saying
is you need to have a take to make it
onto a lot of these shows, and if you don't
watch the game enough, you can't have a take. So
a real simple take is Caitlin versus angel or are
they being mean to her? Or does she need to
play well for the league to succeed, Like these were
things that people who didn't want to put the work

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in could.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Talk about not well, but could talk about.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
That was good in some ways because it did allow
it to break through into some shows, and now those
shows are thinking about when a WNBA story might be
worthy of talking about. And before they literally didn't even
they would go down the line of MLBNHL, NFL, whatever,
and it wasn't even the thought.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Now it's part of the converation. That's great.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
But I also think the league, not just the media economy,
because sometimes you can't protect against fans being unhinged or
media trying to be salacious in the way that they
delivered things in order to get clicks and hits. The
league did not feel like it collectively had a plan
for how to work with this new spotlight, and particularly
how to work with the racism, misogynore, general misogyny, homophobia

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that would come and be at a higher level than
it's ever been before.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Were you surprised, Mom that the players almost didn't have
a plan, because.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
That's usually where the good shit comes from in the
WNBA is the players.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
So that's an interesting twist in that question. Honestly, Spain,
I I think the players and my conversation behind the
scenes were trying to walk this line of this is
good for us.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
How do we deal?

Speaker 5 (14:54):
But to your point, so much of who this league
has been and these players have been have been standing
up for issue that people did necessarily want to talk about.
But there's also this is our new sister, and I
don't think that players were worried about proving people wrong
about being jealous or not. Like within sports and competition,
jealousy is an emotion like who cares. But there is
this line of Kaitlyn is now part of WNBA, She's

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part of the fabric.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Of who we are. She is not in her solve
the problem. It's this section of the fan base. So
to me, there was this like.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
Learning curve for everybody, you know what I mean. And
I think, to no fault of her own, the most
close to political we've gotten from her is liking the
Taylor sweets Swift post right, which brought out the other
side of this fan base anyway. And so everybody is
not going to step to the podium with the presidential
class and presentation of an Ekka Agumakay, who is the

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president of the WNBA Players Association. Not everybody is going
to be a Natasha Cloud who jumps in front of
a mic and has plenty to say, right, And so I.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Think there was this real growing moment for all.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
I think back, y'all though, to Sheryl Ree've calling it
when Chicago played Minnesota in a preseason game and I
wish I could knew the name of this fan off
the top of my head stream that game, right, and
Scherl Reeves said it. She was like, everybody has to
catch up. She said it of the league of pr
staffs of teams, and that's exactly what we saw in

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real time. And so I'm willing to give a ton
of grace because I think, let me see, this must
have been a June game. I can't remember who's doing
the siline report, but Asia Wilson herself was asked about,
you know, where this season is going in the eyeballs
and she said it, She's like, in the beginning, I
think it was a bunch of nonsense that wasn't productive,
But now the conversation is beginning to move to the back.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
So yeah, yeah, So I think.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
It was a learning carve for even for those of
us that love it, right, because I had to grapple
with like, well, at least we're talking about the w
on first take, right, right.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's conflict there.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
For those who don't remember, what Monica was referring to
was a preseason game where it would have been people's
very first look at a number of players, but particularly
Angel Reese with the sky and it wasn't broadcast anywhere.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
So a fan was live streaming it from her phone.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
And like hundreds of thousands of yeah, literally hundreds of
thousands of people were watching on this woman's live stream,
and that I think maybe Sue Bird or someone was like,
we got to get her, like a GoFundMe.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
Even is Sarah the historic Boston gay right like this
it's Dunton, you fill out the garden and it wasn't
on national TV, and I think DJ Carrington was like,
what are we doing here? It's wild?

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, So it feels like some moments for growth and
then some moments where they did a good job of
leaning in and understanding the moment. Monica to what do
you attribute the especially high level of play this season,
all those records that are falling that aren't falling just
because it's a longer.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
Season, man, I just think players are taking such incredible
care of their bodies, right, Like, yes, Asia Wilson is
going to be MVP. The stats for her have been
gaudy this year, but quietly when you look at what
the Liberty have been able to do right, like Granda
Stewards ring and that's been taking the next step, John
Paul Jones getting healthy, even though Seattle is sort of
fighting for that fourth and fifth place, like Nako Gumuke

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is a ten plus year performer in this league, as
is Skyler, Digg and Smith. Right Like, the Olympic break
to me was huge because I think a lot of
teams got healthy and found their second win and really
got to it post Olympic break.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
But overall, I think across sports, across.

Speaker 5 (18:10):
Men and women, the intentionality and care, the developments and
technology and the investments and putting the right team around
you have just allowed these players to continue to take
the next step in terms of their productivity.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Physics, that's a great point.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
Shout out to mental health too, though I think that's
a conversation that we're having about being able to combine
both the body and the mind.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
That's a great point too.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
The idea of even having things like advanced statistics that
allow players to understand where they're most effective on the
court and where they play best off of you know,
a dribble off of pick and roll off of pass whatever,
like all of that that wasn't there even just a
couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
If they really get into that side of the game,
it can really improve them.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Ell If tonight is indeed the final regular season game
for Diana Tarassi, if she's done after the playoffs this year,
what will her legacy be?

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Oh, ma'am.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
I mean, I think on the court, it's clear, you know,
a champion at every level. It's interesting because, like I
keep going back to this whenever someone asks me, you
know why now, Like why is the moment? What is
the moment? And what's behind the moment? There's a bevy
of things right like this is one of those twenty
year lightning in a bottle moments. I keep going back
to Gino Arima, though, who at the at the Final four,

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brought up why he thinks the moment is and he
brought up Diana Tarassi is like that first person that
he had ever coached that people validated women's basketball because
of the way that she played, because they they didn't
see a woman when they watched her play, Like they
just saw a competitor, you know, they saw a champion,

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they saw someone that had that sort of mama mentality
hints the nickname. And I think that off the court,
she'll just go down as a no nonsense, say it
all like the thing that we love and media, the
person that will give you an honest answer that's not
worried about media coaching or training, that's authentic, that's real,

(20:08):
and who has never changed. She has never changed, not
even her hairstyle in twenty five years. And I just
think that she is quintessential when you think about sort
of these women and what they went through and what
they had to experience so that the women now would
have it better, Like she is the person that had
to almost validate an entire sport with her play so

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that people would draw enough interest to eventually appreciate women
for where they're at. And I just think that she
will go down as one of the you know, greatest competitors,
but also just one of the most fun personally as
a media person, one of the most fun people to
listen to, to talk to. Have had a chance over
the last couple of years as she does these you know,
stunt castings with Sue berdas they do their alternate views,

(20:53):
and I've had a chance to just spend a little
more time with DT, and like, she's just you know,
you know her, like she's she's d like she is.
She's a great person who you're always going to get
the most authentic version of herself.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
So I hope it's not over for her.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
But oh my god, when we talk about people like
Lebron or Tom Brady and their longevity and their leadership,
how she doesn't belong on that Mount Rushmore of consistent winners,
of consistent champions and of great teammates.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
She's up there too.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
Well, hold on, let me ask you all this because
shut out to the group chat nature. But am I
the only person that truly, genuinely, from the bottom of
my heart is ready for her to wrap it up? Though,
oh shit, you are, Like I listen, I love DT
and I agree with everything else said. But I think
as we've ushered in this new wave of fans like
this version of her, they don't even know, bro, Yeah,

(21:44):
they don't even know.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, But that's so.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
This is like the conversation around Michael when people were like,
he's not the Michael Jordan anymore.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
He should go, and I'm like, he doesn't owe you shit.
He gets to go and he wants you.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
So Diana doesn't owe those dumb shit fans who don't
know who she is anything.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
She gets to plan, so she wants to be done
and they need to go watch some tape.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
Okay, I agree with you on that, And so I
guess for me, as I've watched her navigate injuries, as
I've watched her kind of be hampered, right, that is
probably like, ah, like she I think she's dynamic. Whatever
she decides to do next, she's gonna blow it up
like she's she is a goat of our game and
a pioneer.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
And if she told me she was coming back to
the next three season's cool. We gonna sign up and
still talking about it.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
But I also think, like it's been such an incredible arc,
and I personally, maybe you like watching your stars kind
of walk away on their own terms.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
That's it for me.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
I get what you're saying though, And actually, Sue Bird
and Meghan Rapoena we're talking about this on their show
a touch more. They both said that when they realized,
and I think there was someone else they were talking
to about this, but the person said when they realized
that their teammates or people in the league did not
know what they used to be, they didn't want to
be out there anymore when people thought that they were

(22:54):
this version.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
And they're like, that's all, that's that's what they were
all like excited about that thought that was the great whatever,
and they're like, bitch, you should have seen me when
I was, you know. And so I get that. I
get that.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
I do think it's like, first of all, there's been
too many people that we love retiring lately.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
I just don't need another right now.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
But also I just I do think it's on it's
on your own terms, and maybe this is the time
after that final Olympics. Speaking of peaking, though, Elle, can
you even put into context what we're seeing from Asia Wilson?

Speaker 4 (23:23):
No, you know the thing that the thing that drives
me crazy in sports. You guys are in sports, and
I fall victim to it too. But this like apathy
to greatness, we just sort of it's like, Okay, there's
no take to have.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
That's their album.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
It's so stupid, but there's no take other than correct, Well,
she continues to be great.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Okay, move on, let's fight about something stupid.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
Correct, And it's like she's she's in that unique position
too that it's like when she's dominating, you know, she's
she's already a two time MVP. So when she's dominating
like she is this year, it's a okay, well she's
our already been MVP. It's it's a little bit of
like a Yokic situation when he probably should have got
that third straight MVP, but everyone was like, okay, but
is there anyone else?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Because this is.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
Boring to see what she's doing having the year that
she's having. I've heard a few people try to dismiss
it as like okay, but like she plays with like
four other Olympians, I'm like and alas, they are all
having down years and the only reason they have the
playoff seating that they have in positioning that they have
is because Asia Wilson has quite literally strapped them on

(24:28):
their back and put all the stats aside. She is
a leader of women like she is a leader of people.
She is one of those people that says the buck
starts here. I'm going to hold myself to a standard,
and I'm going to hold everyone around me to that
same standard. I'm gonna show up every single day and
I'm going to quite literally kill myself to hit it.
And we just don't like those stories, which is why

(24:49):
once Caitlin after the Olympic break, started having, you know,
a nice little run and like that, when the history
just started falling seemingly every time she stepped under court,
it became could Kate? That was the number one question
I started get asked, could Kaitlin Clark?

Speaker 2 (25:02):
And I'm like, what are we doing?

Speaker 4 (25:03):
S sure well for people like us, because we're just
bored by going it's a runaway victory, it's an undefeated victory.
It's a shack a lla what two thousand and three
with the Lakers type of MVP performance.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
But no, like, no, it is wild.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
How if you haven't been in the media industry, it
is so frustrating to watch and be like, we're doing
this again about someone great? Why do they only talk
about them without recognizing that the numbers behind the scenes
tell the people on TV to keep talking about that
same thing. The people hate watch it. They watch this Cowboys,
Lebron Caitlin Clark, whatever it is. But also that like,
we don't decide to just tell different interesting stories when

(25:40):
we lose interest in the one that doesn't have a
new take on it, like we don't do that. Instead
we just find you know, it's it's frustrating to watch,
but if you're on the inside of it, you're like, yeah,
that's what they keep telling us to talk about, which
is frustrating. Monica, Like, I want to hear about your
take on both Asia, but also like what you thought
about what she said after the one thousand.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Point game to her teammates and what that meant how
she was yeah them.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
So first, okay, two things, real quick back to tie
all of the things we kind of just said together.
Even though this year has been bombasting for the w stats,
the Lord, it's still to me there's this part of like, well,
women have to be shiny and successful to be discussed,
not negating any of the stats that Kaylin Clark is
putting up, but I think it has stopped there because

(26:26):
we're still dealing with women playing sports at a high
level right in terms of adding depth to that conversation.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
So that's one thought. Two.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
I read ages book Dear Black Girl this summer. It
was quickly easy, fantastic. Everything she said to her teammate
after a thousand points. Even along the way, this season
could be the next chapters of those books. She has
been so true to who she is and authentically herself
a heart that cares of soul and a competitive spirit

(26:54):
that is on fire and dedicated to lead by example,
to seek out her teammates. We mentioned earlier some of
the gaudy stats and the investment that players are making
into their bodies, but she talks in her book about
her mental breakdown posts the bubble experience when they came
up short as the runner ups, like it's just so
raw that I do think to be in a space

(27:14):
and an error where the star, the multi time MVP
is also just a fire human like it should be
celebrated and enjoy it. And I'm not saying that you
got to be a great human to be great at
your sport, but when you do have those stars colliding
and creating a supernova like it is, I hope that
young people, especially young women playing a game and watching

(27:37):
the WNBA and falling for the game, understand that as
much as it is about what you can do when
your basketball tool kit on a court, it is a
team sport and building those relationships for real matters, and
that is the life skill that translates from the boss
stops fountain.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Can I add one thing to what many just said
to you, because I don't want to give too much away,
But I do have a book coming out out called
The Watters to Black Women, and Asia, yes, and Asia participated,
and essentially this whole book is notable people. And I
sat with them and then we worked on a letter together,
and she wrote to herself and I read the book

(28:14):
as well, her book as well. And there is the
thing that I know after having talked with Asia, who
by the way, wrote her letter to herself, is that
she talked about with me those two transformational periods in
her life that she had. She's only twenty eight years
old and she had to reinvent herself twice already, and
one of them was post the bubble, what she talked
about in the book, and also when she was at
South Carolina and she talked to me about how insecure

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she was in many ways, how she wanted to do
the right thing, she never wanted to say the wrong thing.
She felt like she belonged to everyone else, She felt
like she had been given this god given talent that
she had worked very hard for, but that she only
wanted to do right by other people, And it really
required her having a conversation with herself about what she wanted,
what would make her happy about being unapologetically or and

(29:00):
how she found that voice within herself and then how
after they won, she had to find it again.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
And I just think as a.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Person, her personal journey to becoming this seemingly on paper confident, incredible,
you know face of the WNBA, And I don't think
that we give enough credit for the journey and how
insecure she was, and how sad she was at times,
and how she had to seek solace in Dawn and
her grandmother, and how there was many times where she

(29:28):
did not feel worthy or capable. And so when I
get to see her, you know, standing in all of
her of her glory and getting all of her accolades,
which are all well earned, it just it hits a
little different knowing, like, after having talked to her, how
hard it was for her to get to be this person.
So when I when I watch her put that team
on her back and demand excellence because that's what she

(29:51):
demands of herself, it's just really special.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, I think those are the kind of stories that
don't get out enough around women's sports, and so it
does make people feel one dimension, and so we say,
what is there to say other than she's going to
win again and she's great, And instead it's like there's
a ton to say. We just have to get more
people knowledgeable enough that those conversations can be had and
get the fans on board understanding the backstories of so

(30:14):
many of these athletes. You know, Mon, you said something
interesting about Kaitlyn Clark and how we sometimes don't have
in depth conversations because we just have this sort of
like shiny, here's your stats and you're doing well. Do
you feel like folks have avoided asking Caitlin Clark tough
questions this year, you.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Know, sayin that's a great question.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
I I don't in the context of our WNBA experience,
I don't think that people have like, oh, pin down
the WNBA on this tough topic. I think the WNBA
has stepped to the mic when things have happened, right,
Like I think about Minnesota and Filando Castile and the
way those links that links team responded. Obviously, we think

(30:54):
about the bubble experience and like these women respond, they
meet the moment.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
The biggest moment for Kaitlyn this year was obviously when
Djna was like, come on dog like via Twitter or
via s I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (31:08):
I've got some folks in the league that are like, yeah,
that's an organization leadership in Indiana. They don't really want
to do deep stuff, right, And I hold space where
everybody maybe doesn't want to do deep stuff. I have
not heard her duck any questions, but is a postgame
press conference the place where you go in on something
that is not timely? Like I do as I look
at the RGW, things have happened, and these women have

(31:29):
stepped to the moment.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Right, And I wonder if we're expecting her to answer
to things that other rookies or players are not being
asked right.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
I just talked to Carrie Champion about this.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
It's a little bit about giving grace for a young
woman who's focused on basketball and just dealing with the
first season of this and it's a little bit about
all right, well, timer has started. You only have so
much time to say. I'm not paying attention to that.
I don't think about that. I'm just about basketball. If
you're in a predominantly black league led by a bunch

(31:59):
of women of color that have paved the way for you,
and your fan base is engaging in things that you
do not agree with. At some point you got to
say I don't agree with it. If you don't, otherwise
it will be a lot harder for people to defend
that you are not complicit in those things.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Can offer this because I was very much I have
been attacked by a faction. I don't like to say
Caitlin Clark fans a faction, because I'm a Caitlin Clark fan.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
I have been for years. You are, you are?

Speaker 4 (32:29):
We just like great basketball and she is a great
basketball player, she is cinema and all of those things
a faction of them. And months ago when this was
at its fever pitch when we were watching you know,
black men cape for her, and I was very critical
about sort of this white savior complex and how it's
very unfair to have these women in this league, Like

(32:51):
what do you want fealty?

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Like you want them to ben to.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Knee and exchange friendship bracelets. This is not a Taylor
Swift concert like her editors. I don't you know what
I mean, and I was critical because I was like, man,
she has got to see that these people are using
her like they are not fans of hers, they are
using her and they are using her name, her hard work,
and her talent to attack people. And she's got to

(33:15):
do better. And I'm going to leave this person's name
out because I'm not sure if they want me to
share what they shared.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
With me, but it did offer me a different perspective.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
It's a coworker of ours. And this person said, let
me ask you this though, because at the time she
had been in the league for like six weeks, and
she was like, she is from Iowa. She played on
teams that were predominantly white. She has not been in
a locker room with people of diverse backgrounds. She hasn't
been in a locker room that represents the WNBA to

(33:45):
this point, she will get better. But would you want
a disingenuous answer from someone who does not have that
lived experience right now or would you rather her have
a more informed opinion and when she has had an
opportunity to build a rapport with her teammates that can
look at her and say we know that this is

(34:06):
not you. But people are using your name in this way,
like which one would you prefer? Would you prefer the
platitude and the performative nature of I stand against all races.
You know, it felt a little bit like she was
damned if she did and dange she didn't in those situations.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Is it fair?

Speaker 4 (34:23):
No, But we also understand that Caitlyn Clark is being
held to a different standard because she is Caitlin Clark.
The same people that say she's responsible for the explosion
of the league then want to say things like, well,
she should be preserved or protected from certain things, right,
And I think you cannot have both.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Ell.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
I love that you said that, because that's kind of
the tact that I've taken, which is like I hope
and expect better and more, and also I give grace
right now. And I also think, you know, what's fascinating
is how much people have placed whatever they believe or
want to believe about someone onto them without seeing it.
Because there was a clip there was a clip of
age being asked about Kamala Harris and what does it

(35:02):
mean to have the VP running for president? And what
do you think about, you know, a black woman? And
she said, I really haven't been paying attention. To be honest,
I really don't know much about it, but I think
everyone should vote. It's what Caitlin said kind of. I'm
not going to speak or endorse or say anything, but
everyone should vote. But I guarantee if people hadn't seen
that video of Angel, they would have told you that
she would have a perfectly said soliloquy talking about that topic,

(35:24):
and she didn't, which is okay. But what we've done
is decided in advance what these people stand for, what
they would say, what they would think, And that's where
I think it's been unfair to everyone involved. Clearly, the
black players have gotten it the worst. Clearly the players
in the league that have battled for this league and
have been tossed aside in favor of this white savior
have gotten it the worst. And also I think we're

(35:47):
all doing a terrible job of just putting our own
belief systems onto these players as avatars for whatever we
want them to stand for.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
And when we don't ask the questions, that's sometimes.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
What happens, which is why eventually we will be asking
those questions and expecting answers, not platitude, but answers from experience.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
But also nuanced questions like.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Instead of like nuanced, what's that? What is nuanced? Wild?

Speaker 6 (36:09):
Right?

Speaker 4 (36:09):
But like instead of cornering Caitlyn Clark yes at a
podium and going what do you make of people saying
that you're being used for racism?

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Right?

Speaker 4 (36:18):
What about a question that says, what have you learned
about the makeup of this league and the six months
that you've now been in it? What have you learned about,
you know, some of the issues surrounding your teammates who
are from different places, Like there is a way to
get Caitlin to talk about her experience without cornering her

(36:39):
and expecting her to be Paige Becker's. And that's the
other thing that cures me, Like Paige Becker's experience is
different than Kaitlin Clark's experience. So every time Page, you know, right,
Like every single time someone's like, well, Caitlyn missed the
mark and then they show Page's Espies Award. We would
all love for everyone everywhere to have the understanding that
Page has and to recognize her privilege, but not everyone's

(37:01):
like that. And her background is very different.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
She got a black mama.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
We know pages built different, Okay, And so I just think,
you know again, Cameron Brink did the same thing, and
I just think we have to stop expecting the same
thing from everyone and then getting pissed off when they
don't offer us the platitudes that we swear we don't want.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
I completely agree very well said we're running out of
time here.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
We're heading into the postseason, so we got to quickly
get some takes from y'all on that Liberty are the
top seed, but the Links are peaking at the right time.
Post Olympic, the Links have been absolutely on fire. Who's
your favorite right now?

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Both of you? Who you got, Nica?

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Oh god, right now? Oh gosh. So here's my deal.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
I think that it is the Liberty's gear, but I
think what Minnesota has captured they are an absolute threat
to everybody and anybody. Besides the fact that they just
locked up the second seed coming into the closing week, right,
I just think that there is a bond there. The
only thing to me that Trump's the chemistry and the
way Minnesota is playing is if the Liberty have developed

(38:03):
enough scar chies you from last year's experience, to get
it done. Because they're on the clock, their team is
gonna look different because of contracts next year, like they
are backed against.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
The wall to get it done. Yeah. Well okay, So
to answer your question, I guess that means I'm going
to liberty.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh god. I hate being cornered
about these things. What Here's here's what I'm gonna say.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
They have, in no way, shape or form, looked like
the team that won two championships in a row. But
when you have the best player in the when you
have the best player in the world, when you have
the talent and you know that the talent is there
and it is when they have done it before, when
you've got championship pedigree and all things are equal, I
would not sleep.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
On the aces.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Still, I would still not sleep on the aces. I
get that, you know, like I just I'm I'm of
the I know it's not fun.

Speaker 6 (38:49):
I know that.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
Back when the Patriots were running them all off, it
wasn't fun to pick the Patriots, not fun to pick
the Chiefs. Now, nobody gives you kudos for your analysis.
If you say, win again, Potama, until someone proves they
can stop them in that spot, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Go with the dark horse, the two time defending champion
dark horse, so bold of you a quotes. All right,
So I need to hear from y'all about a lower
seed that you think could pull off an upset. Is
there someone in the bottom four. I know we're still
getting to that last eight spot, but I.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
Think Indiana, like I really think, I think they've been
great out of the Olympic break. I think Caitlyn you
can see the game slowing down for her, She's been fantastic.
I think Aliyah a year older, year stronger, being really
effective in that paint. And I remember having an Indiana
game early in the season and Christy said said Melissa
Smith was an nex factor. She has looked so much

(39:44):
more focused down the stretch of the season. Not to
mention Kelsey Mitchell is just having an incredible year.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Indiana.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
Of all those teams in that second tier, Indiana looks
like the group that's having the most fun.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
To me, Yeah, and the Stormer an interesting one in
terms of talent, but they just haven't ever felt like
it's yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
It feels like it feels like they run off a
few and then everyone goes okay, and then they lose
a few.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
They shouldn't.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
They feel very up and down. I'm with mon in
that I don't listen. I'm not handicapping the Fever to
win a championship, but could they win a first round series?

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Absolutely, if they.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
Can cut down on the turnovers and find you know,
a defense in there like they run their paces. Is
incredible and for all the reasons that mon laid out like,
they could definitely and they also are playing with the
benefit of like despite having Kitlyn Clark and all of that,
how us money.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Dude, they weren't supposed to be They weren't supposed.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
To be here. We didn't think they'd be here two
months ago. Well, God bless the mentions of literally everyone.
If Kaitlyn Clark leads the Fever to a title win,
We're done.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
We're done cooked.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Thanks so much to Alan Monica for taking the time.
I just love being back chatting with them, so much fun.
We got to take another break when we come back.
We asked, and you answered, it's time to give the
White Mamba her flowers welcome back slices. So tonight could
be Diana Trossi's final regular season game. And even though

(41:17):
we're hoping it isn't. Well, even though everybody but Monica
are hoping it isn't. We don't want to let this
moment pass without celebrating the legend, so we asked you
for your favorite DT memories and you delivered. And you know,
since we're celebrating a notorious shit talker, we gotta say
not all your memories were warm and fuzzy. Take Willy,
for instance, a Chicago Sky fan whose favorite DT memory

(41:39):
was seeing her lose.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
He left us this message.

Speaker 6 (41:42):
My favorite memory was probably when the Sky won the
championship against.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Them, and just that whole series.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
She was like really upset, and then of course the
iconic door issue that came about. But I think my
favorite memory, of course is just them beating her. She's
a great I take there, I give that, but it
was just fun to see this guy do that to them.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Here's what Lisa, a Minnesota Links fan, told us via email.
She wrote quote, I haven't always been a big DT fan,
but over the years I've grown to appreciate her, her
competitiveness and her antics, and now can't imagine the league
without her in it. While I laughed at the story
about her from the Wubble season where she told the
official she'd see them in the lobby, and I still
love the why can't Old People Dream Too?

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Quote.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
My favorite DT memory is from the twenty thirteen playoffs
against Minnesota DT and what I assume was an attempt
to get into the head of Simone, Augustus bumped into her.
When Augustus didn't back down, and they kind of bodied
each other up. DT leaned over and kissed Augustus's cheek
as the ref walked over to separate them. I believe
she was assessed a technical foul in the play and
later said quote, we were just trying to make sweet

(42:53):
love when she was asked about the interaction, I'll be
curious to see if the Phoenix crowd pulls out a
one more year chant like Seattle Di was Sue Bird.
I know I'll be tuning in to find out. Lisa,
that was a great email, and you summed up a
whole bunch of my faves. I mean, telling an official
I'll see you in the lobby is just it's so classic.
We love DT for that. A few quick ones from Twitter,

(43:15):
Bill Yannie said, quote every technical she got in Indy,
there were many.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
We actually did the math for you, Bill, with the
help of Across the Timeline.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Diana has gotten nine technicals while playing at Indiana during
her WNBA career, the first coming in two thousand and
six and the most recent in August. Donathan Wood said,
she was a local high school superstar when I was
a kid in California in the nineties. Incredible that she's
still playing pro ball at a high level. When I
get sore for days playing pickup against other middle aged dudes,
that is so accurate.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Every time I.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
See someone over the age of like thirty five doing
anything in professional sports, I'm like marveling at how their
body still works.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Kevin Wall said, quote, we have Diana and you don't.
Just the best quote ever.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
In case you don't remember this, that's how gino Oriama
described as Yukon Husky's dominance back in two thousand and four.
This was Diana's senior season, Yukon's third of three straight
championship years.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Just we have Diana and you don't. That's so good.
As for me, I'm an inappropriate child.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
So some of my favorite moments were every time she
made super drink during their Burden Tarase ESPN simillcast. They
did it for the twenty twenty two Final four. While
watching South Carolina games. Just try to figure out what
words Sue had to drink for.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
I think the Cox got this tonight. The Cocks go hard.
They didn't go hard like this team was tough Messa
like in those other games.

Speaker 6 (44:32):
As she was finishing the.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Lane, the length of the Cox is long, as appropriate
as it might be for DT, I don't want to
end on Cox.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
So Mesh, Alex, you got any memories to share?

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Alex?

Speaker 2 (44:43):
How about you?

Speaker 7 (44:44):
Yeah, I'll go. So this is from twenty twenty one.
It was a USA basketball press conference on Zoom and
some reporter I'm not sure who it is, so sorry,
I'm not shouting you out. Ask both of them together,
who is the best your period? And Sue pointed out Diana,
and Diana responded, quote, there's a lot of good players,

(45:09):
and Sue went, that's what you say when you're the
best player. Yeah, And then DT did not object to that,
and I just thought, what a power.

Speaker 8 (45:15):
Moves amazing that super What about your meiche Yeah, that
pretty much epitomizes her now.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
I think mine had to be.

Speaker 8 (45:23):
In twenty twenty, when Sue Bird and Meghan Rapino started
up a touch more their Instagram little live stream situation.
And one time DT got on there and talked about
her approach to playing rookies, and I just feel this
was this was just a perfect indication of like her mentality,
her mindset, and just how fun.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
She is as a basketball player.

Speaker 8 (45:46):
She said, quote, every time you played rookies, you just
wanted to bleep kill them. It's physically punking them, it's
mental bullying that takes place before the ball tips.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
And I'm just about to us your ass right now.

Speaker 8 (46:01):
And I said, DT, that a is consistent because we
heard what you had to say before this season.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
But it's the mark of a true competitor. I don't
care who you are. If you're a three year.

Speaker 8 (46:10):
Old on a on a little tikes grim, I'm still
going to punch your shit, you know, just gotta fill
your mess.

Speaker 7 (46:18):
Diana isn't jealous of anyone. She just wants to.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Just don't.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
We all don't care, honestly, thank you for sharing your memories.
If this is it, we appreciate that you helped us
say goodbye. We do have the playoffs still, though, and
plenty more time for DT to pull all for shenanigans.
As always, we love that you're listening, but We want
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(46:43):
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in twenty six, you can still belly up to the
bar in Portland and watch all the other great women's
sports and you can actually even open up a sports
bar franchise of your own.

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Watch world class bookstores Infinity out of five stars. Just
talking about the great Powells Books in Portland got me
thinking about my favorite bookstores, so shout out two of them,
Atlantis Books and Santorini. It's built into a freaking cliff
with these insane views over the Caldera, and it's just
messy enough and overwhelming enough to be like totally legit,
and then the goat Shakespeare and Company in Paris. It's

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literally one of my favorite places on earth. From the
first day that the store opened, they let writers and
artists and intellectuals sleep on the shelves and piles of
books and little beds that double as benches during the day,
as long as they contribute with a little bit of work,
read while they're there, and leave behind a little note
about themselves. So there's like thirty thousand of those from
all the different people that have stayed.

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In the bookshop.

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There's a piano there, and then there are these stairs
that you read as you're walking up them, and they're
a poem that says, I wish I could show you
when you are lonely or in darkness, the astonishing light
of your own being.

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Swoon.

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It's the best place ever. Now it's your turn, rate
and review. Thanks for listening. See tomorrow for another group chat.
This one's with the Orlando Pride defenders, Emily Sam's and
Kylie Strom.

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You don't want to miss it. Bonus group chat folks.

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Good game, Monica, good game, l You Apathy toward Greatness
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producers are Christina Everett, Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan.

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And Emily Rudder.

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