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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're rewatching
that Kat Macario chip goal from Monday's US women's national
team win over Italy.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Over and over and over, so cheeky.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
It's Wednesday, December third, and on Today show, we'll be
skipping the need to know and getting you right to
producer Alex's conversation with speed skater Britney Bow in New
York City back in October as part of the Team
USA summit ahead of the upcoming Milan Courtina Winter Olympics.
They talked about her goals as she aims to qualify
for a fourth Games, the weight of wanting a gold medal,
and what she's learned from girlfriend Hillary Knight about wanting
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to leave the next generation better off and stick around
for a special bonus. Because Alex snuck in a chat
with the aforementioned girlfriend, none other than hockey legend and
Team USA captain Hillary Knight to get her take on
how the couple plans to navigate an Olympics scheduling challenge,
and as Britney's prepping for the upcoming Olympics, I want
to remind you of one of the breakout stories of
the twenty twenty two Games, an unselfish gesture from Brittany
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that helped a teammate and childhood friend get to the
Olympics and eventually win goal So in twenty twenty two,
at the US Olympic Trials in Milwaukee, world number one
in the five hundred meters, Aaron Jackson slipped in her race,
finishing third and out of qualifying. Britney, who qualified not
just in the five hundred meters but also the thousand
meters and fifteen hundred meter races, gave up her spot
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in the five hundred to allow Jackson to go to Beijing,
where she ended up winning the race, becoming the first
black woman to win a Winter Olympic gold medal in
an individual sport. It was just such an incredible story.
We'll link to a video in the show notes if
you want to refresh your memory. Will there be another
similar magical story leading up to this year's Games that's
yet to be seen, But Brittany's been creating plenty of
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magic on the ice. Since Alex spoke to her, she
has been very busy, and not just with that guest
bartending Stint on Bravo's Watch What Happens Live that we
mentioned on a previous episode. On November eleventh, she announced
that this will be her sixteenth and final Olympic skating season.
Then she took bronze with her teammates in the team
pursuit at the first event of the World Cup circuit
on her home ice in Salt Lake City, and they
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set a national record along the way. She also placed
fifth in the thousand meter and sixth in the fifteen
hundred in Salt Lake. Then in the second World Cup
stop in Calgary, she grabbed the bronze in the fifteen
hundred meter and while they fell just short of the podium,
her team pursuit team rebroke the national record. Next up
World Cup three in the Netherlands this weekend.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
All right, let's get to Alex Britney and Hillary skates
and pucks and geyshit. This is going to be good.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Joining us now. Hailing from Ocalla, Florida, she is a
three time Olympian, two time Olympic medalist in the sport
of speed skating, and current world record holder in the
one thousand meter distance. She carried the flag for Team
USA at the opening ceremony of the twenty twenty two
Baitjing Games. She grew up playing basketball in inline skating
as a Division one point guard at Florida Atlantic University.
She even contemplated hooping professionally after graduating from college, but
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then she saw speed skating at the Olympics and decided
to take her inline skills to the ice. She tells
it like it is in Hot Lapse, Cold Take, the
social media series she co hosts with teammate Aaron Jackson.
It's Brittany bo. Thanks, thanks so much for joining us today.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
We are here celebrating the one hundred days out to
Milan Courtina. This will be hopefully your fourth Games, having
been to three already. Though I'm curious how your process
and approach to each Olympics has changed over time.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
It's changed dramatically.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
As an Olympic athlete, we kind of live our life
in four year cycles, and each each Olympic.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Games has been really unique.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
In this time, knowing it's my last go around, it's
been a unique quad and as we approach the Olympic Games,
I've almost you know, I'm in a place where I'm
able to reflect, but still in the moment, so just
enjoy these last few rounds around the track and just
kind of able to reflect and being grateful that I've
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been able to have such a long, successful career and
finishing it out in Milan with my family and friends
and fans in the stands will be really special.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Knowing that it's your last. Was that a decision? Was
it a realization? Did it come to you slowly? Kind
of walk me through that process.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I think it came pretty organically. After the Beijing Olympics.
I thought I had one more quad in me, and
you know, I'm the old lady out there on the
ice now, but it's pretty cool to be able to
remain competitive at thirty seven years old. I'm racing, you know,
against girls that are twenty one years old, so it's
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definitely gotten more difficult, but it's so empowering to be
able to continue pushing myself to the limit and beyond
and continuing to find myself on those World Cup podiums. So,
you know, I'd be kidding myself if I didn't say
I was going for an Olympic gold medal in Milan,
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but I realized that it it's so much bigger than that,
and really really grateful and enjoying this final part of
my journey in speed skating.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
For a lot of athletes who have success kind of
away from the Olympic stage at World Cups, at World
Championships to then make that gold medal happen at the Olympics.
For some it kind of happens, and for others it's
like for Olympics on, we're still searching for it. And
I'm curious how your perspective on chasing that gold has
has changed over time.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I mean it can be debilitating at times. You know,
I've had a successful career and have accomplished almost every
single thing I've set out to, you know, six world titles,
four world records, Olympic medalist, but there's still that Olympic
gold medal that ultimately continuing to be in pursuit of.
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But going into the Olympic Games with you know that expectation,
are just so concerned or overwhelmed with the outcome. Like
I said, can be debilitating and you know, can.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Really tighten you up, make the nerves even higher than
they are at.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
A neutral field, you know.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Rewinding a little bit, going into Sochi in twenty fourteen,
metal contender and fall far far short of a metal
which was one of the most disappointing moments of my
athletic career.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
And a real struggle for the team as a whole too.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yeah, it was a you know, a very very disappointing
competition for the US speed skating team. Then you fast
forward four years to twenty eighteen, and I'm coming off
of what could have been a career ending concussion. The
whole year before the Games, I think I maybe rased
one or two World Cups because I was trying to
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deal with post concussion center on panic attacks, anxiety attacks, vertigo.
So I was really just trying to get my head
on my shoulders and leading into the seventeen eighteen season,
you know, I was really just trying to be a
normal person in society without having you know, these panic attacks.
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And as we you know, get into the eighteen Games,
the perspective change because I make the Olympic team, and
instead of having this expectation of winning a medal, I
am just grateful to have the opportunity to have my
skates on and compete at the highest level. And I
win my first Olympic medal within the team pursuit, and
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you could say that was my best Olympic Games so
far getting a third place, two fourth and a fifth.
I mean that was really successful games. And then we
fast forward again to Beijing and was able to come
home with the Olympic bronze medal. They're all so so different,
but I've realized the higher the expectation that I put
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on myself, the more debilitating it can be when you
get to that start line.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I have quite a few questions for you about your girlfriend,
Hillary Knight, which we're going to get to, but hearing
you discuss kind of the four year cycle and like
going for gold, it makes me think about how until
very recently in women's hockey it was a similar thing,
like there were world championships, but it all came down
to that gold medal game, which everyone knew was always
going to be the US in Canada, and walking away
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with silver was like losing it all. And I'm curious
if you've seen any overlap with how your experiences with
Hillary at the Games kind of come down to this moment,
and if you've seen anything change now that she has
the PWHL where it's a big competition that also means something.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
The PWHL is obviously like a monumental accomplishment for the
women on the professional side. But I think if you
asked any one of those girls, American or Canadian if
they'd rather win the pw HL Championship or an Olympic
gold medal, I think they'd probably go for the Olympic
gold medal because there's just nothing means more than being
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able to represent your country because you're doing it for
so many more people and it's so much bigger than
just yourself. So nothing compares to competing with the red,
white and blue on you.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
And beating Canada. And I think they're slightly nicer to
one another, at least off the ice. Now, yeah, it
seems to be that way, But I don't know, as
you kind of contemplate this life after speed skating, I
know there are a lot of athletes that struggle with
the identity component of who am I if not a
speed skater? Who am I if not a hockey player?
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And what are you doing to prepare for that moment
in time where you won't be defined just by your sport.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
It's something that has been discussed in some of my
sports psych sessions because it's you know, I've kind of
gone through as like, why do I put so much
weight on the Olympic Games? Why the things seem to
not come together in that most important time? And is
it because my identity revolves around am I the Olympic
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champion or not? And inside I know that's not true,
but I would be lying if I said my identity
isn't largely shaped by the accomplishments that I've had, because
that has been my entire life. So it's been an
ongoing process. And being able to kind of like unpack
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that has been freeing really over those last few years.
And I don't know what life will look like for
me after sport, but sitting here today, I feel at
peace and confident, knowing that I truly believe that something
will come along that will spark a passion in my life.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Do you have any interest in staying involved in speed skating,
whether on the coaching side or the administrative side.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
I would love to be involved in speed skating in
some capacity. I am not interested in coaching.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I get this question a lot.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
It's interesting because when I'm done skating, I don't want
to be in the rink even longer than I it
was as an athlete. I mean, our coach puts in
some serious hours. And it's funny because usually, you know,
a coach will talk about their best player, their most
dedicated player, the first one in the gym, the last
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one to leave. Well, our coach can't say that because
he is the first one in the ring, the last
one to leave. And I'm just ready to do something
different and have a little bit more time at home.
But my whole life has been revolved around high performance.
So I would love to be, you know, to remain
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a part of the sport. Our sport's so small and
with Salt Lake thirty four, I mean it seems a
little while out, but it'll be here before we know it.
If I can have an impact and grow the development
and also high performance of the sport, that would be awesome.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
This characteristic of your coach, is it just him or
speed skating coaches in general? Our first one and last
one out.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
I mean all of our coaches are you know, the
first ones in, last ones out. But I don't think
it matters any sport across the board. The great coaches
spend their entire you know, it's twenty four to seven
thinking about how can they be a better coach and
provide for their team and get the team ready, because
you're not just worried about yourself, you're then worried about
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every single person on your team. And that's a huge responsibility.
And hats off to all the coaches out there. It's
just crazy, the time and dedication and yeah, just utmost
respect for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
We got to take a quick break when we come
back more with Britney.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Vou So we're here at the Team USA media summit,
and my understanding is you and Hillary had cross paths
at previous media summits. She's also here somewhere in the building,
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but it wasn't until the Olympics in twenty twenty two
that you really kind of got to know each other.
Can you tell us the meet cute story?
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Hillary slid into my DM, she did, and she is
asking me something about like I can't remember something about
like am I bringing like games to Beijing? Or what
are you guys doing in your spare tartsanity? But yeah,
we we got to exchange information and started chatting back
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and forth, and you know, I think we would both
consider our first date walking around the Olympic village fully masked,
so it was far from glamorous and then that date
would lead to, hey, you want to grab food together,
So you know, we got to sit by each other,
but we had this plexiglass wall in between us, so
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again not glamorous, but it was super unique and almost
a blessing and disguise. You know, we didn't have family
friends and there were no outside distractions, so we're kind
of living in this bubble and we really just got
to know one another, share stories, and that really built
like a really cool foundation for our relationship.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, I think looking at the photos of those games,
they don't really shout like super romantic. COVID nineteen precautions.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Everywhere are from.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
I mean, everybody was scared to death at getting COVID,
had to do COVID tests every single morning, and it's like, please,
just don't don't let it be me, because you know,
you work your whole life, and you know God forbid
a positive test ruin ruin that experience. So everything other
than glamorous, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Once you get into a sport, the things that are
quirky suddenly don't seem quirky to you. They're just normal.
But in dating a hockey player, are there anything? Is
there anything about this part where it's like, that's that's weird.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
H Well, you know, I was low key really nervous
that she would stink because hockey players, at least in
our rink, and granted they are younger boys. We in
our four hundred meter oval. We have two rinks in
the middle of our over one's a short track rink
and one's a hockey rink. And every every time we
would go around the south end corner, you just get
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a whiff of hockey players and I'm like, oh, she
smells like that this is not going to work out,
but pleasantly surprised does not stink like the boy hockey players.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
When you first started telling that story, I was like,
did you not google her resume? Like I thought you
meant stink, like you know, like.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Oh no, no, no, and it's anybody, Uh, that's anybody
should know who Hillary Night is for.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Sure, for sure. But the foul order I get that
that actually reminds me of I was out in Salt
Lake back in twenty twenty twenty seventeen covering short track
trials and I remember seeing some speed skaters play pick
up hockey. Is that something you've ever done?
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Yeah, we would play. It's like our little version of bandy.
It's plastic sticks and a plastic ball. But we would
get out there on hockey skates, and honestly, I think
it really helped a lot of our starts or our
openers in our races. The blades are a lot shorter,
so your your pushes have to be shorter, and it
really keeps everything compact. So that's something that we've used
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over the years being on hockey skates to improve our starts.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
I love that. I think a lot of people maybe
don't realize just how fast speed skating is, in part
because the rink is so big, Like you kind of
think like, oh, like they're on a hockey rink, but no,
it's much bigger. How do the speeds actually compare to
like Hillary at our fastest on hockey skates versus you
on your speed skates.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Well, me on hockey skates and Hillary on hockey skates,
I'm still faster. I don't know if she will admit that,
but we have had a race before. But in all seriousness,
like in speed skating, in part, it's a lot faster
because our blades are a lot longer, they're a lot flatter.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
We have a longer surface to.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Build speed, so yeah, the speeds are definitely higher. We're
the ladies were load amid thirty miles per hour. I'm
not sure what the hockey girls clock. They're they're really
really fast though, but i'd i'd like to see Kendall
coin Schofield out there some speed skates for at least
one hundred meter opener to see how fast she could go.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
That's good to know. I did see a video of
Hillary on speed skates, so I absolutely know that you
are still very much the fastest one there.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
But she was not bad.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
She was only out there for ten or fifteen minutes,
and she actually killed it. She did really well. Obviously
she was nervous because the blades are really long. I
think she was afraid that she was going to cut
her ankles every time.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
She would cross over.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
But you know, putting clap skates on for the first
time could be pretty daunting. But she like went forward,
and I will say I was impressed. I couldn't get
her into a skin suit. She was out there in
like pants and an oversized pitty of course, but.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Not very aerodynamic.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Not aerodynamics, so maybe it was the attire that was
keeping her.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
So Hillary actually was on our podcast back in May,
just days before the expand raft. Our host Sarah even joked, quote,
what if they just don't protect you and Hillary Knight
lead Seattle to their first water cup? End of quote,
We'll watch out world because our host may be for Hudican.
Maybe this is what's gonna happen. So you're now Seattle
girly at least for your p WHL affiliation. What happened
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to your your p WHL Boston jersey?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Though?
Speaker 5 (18:21):
It is in the closet, Okay, and I'm still you know,
what do I do with this stuff? Like on one hand,
it's like this is really cool because like this was
the first, you know, the inaugural year and had some
great success and you know, but that's that's professional sports.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
What do I do? Do I burn it? Do I
throw it away?
Speaker 5 (18:40):
But for now it's it's still folded in the closet,
waiting for that Seattle merch to drop.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, for sure you're going to get one of those
og jerseys with like the letters just straight diagonally down the.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Definitely it should already be in the mail pre ordered that.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Seattle slightly closer to Utah, So good thing in your
books or what was it like seeing that process unfold?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
So officially a great.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Thing in my book.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
So we've now made the drive to and from Boston
a handful of times, and twelve hours to Seattle is
a lot better than thirty five hours to Boston. And
we just made the trip to Seattle to drop her
and bane her dog off, and that trip was a
lot more pleasant than across the country, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I can imagine.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I can imagine as you've gotten to know Hillary and
learned more about her labor fights, in particular, whether it's
boycotting USA Hockey in twenty seventeen, fighting to create the PWHL.
It strikes me that speed skating is a very different
sport right governed at the international level. You're kind of
at the mercy of what your national governing body is doing.
But I'm curious if you've learned anything from her about
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like labor and sport in general that could maybe be
applied more broadly.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I mean, just her passion to leave the game better
than she found it, to fight for equality, to just
continued fighting for more, to leave these girls with, you know,
something that can continue to be built on for years
and years to come has been so inspiring. Kind of
having a front seat to what her and Kendall coin
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Schofield have done for the PWHL.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
I mean, they have put in some.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Serious, serious hours trying to help build this league and
it really really opened my eyes to someone that really
cares about the sport and the betterment of women in
the future. I mean, you know, her and Kendall aren't
going to be able to enjoy it for much much longer,
but the fact that they continue to fight for what
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is right for the younger generations is inspiring.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Do you think there's anything from that that speed skidding
could learn in terms of how that sport is run
or what resources athletes have things like that.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Well, yeah, just like her involvement and trying to leave
her sport better than she found it has kind of
held me into how can I be more of a
part of us speed skating? And I'm now actually on
the Board of Representatives as an elite athlete, so that's.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Kind of my step like, Okay, I need to I
need to do more.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
And you know, now being on the board and being
surrounded by great people and learning how the organization is
run and slowly like, Okay, what can we do better?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
What can we do better?
Speaker 5 (21:20):
So her movement in that has definitely propelled me to
try to leave my sport better than I found it.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Love that looking ahead to Milan speed skating in hockey,
same cluster schedules are not quite as straightforward, though. Have
you thought at all about what that might look like?
Speaker 4 (21:40):
I'm not mistaken. I think I saw that if.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
The women make the gold medal game, that's the night
before my fifteen hundred meter So I'm not super pumped
about that. My that's you know, tugging on my heart
strings because I know what the right.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Thing to do is for myself.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
At the competitive level, but oh man, I really want
to be there in the stands to you know, be
a fan and cheer. So that's something I'm going to continue.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
To grapple with.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I think it'll probably end up be me watching on
TV as I have to prepare for my race. But
I'm really looking forward to watching everything that I can,
but need to talk to them about that scheduling issue.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I know sometimes athletes get the Olympic schedule moved if
they're competing in multiple events and they really need to
factor couples into it as well. You know, well, it's
been so lovely chatting with you, Brittany. Thank you so
much for taking the time.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
After sitting down with Brittany, Alex wanted Hillary's take on
the Olympic scheduling challenge. Does Hillary want her girlfriend in
the stands for the gold medal game or does she
want Brittany to get a good night's sleep ahead of
her own race. So Alex tracked down Hillary on the
busy content capture stage at the tm USA summit to
find out.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Take a listen.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
The women's fifteen hundred meter is the day after the
gold medal A really said the team, if you're thinking
that far ahead yet, but you want her stands assuming
everything goes as planned and you're caging, and are you
kidding me? You think it's good for her that if
you in the stands instead of sleeping for the race.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I think she would love it.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Thank you Hill.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
She said that she knows she probably should be in bed,
but she'd want.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
To be there.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
He'll be there, Yeah, She'll definitely be there. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Sleep sleep, you gotta be there. Great stuff from Alex.
So fun getting to hear from this handful of Olympic
hopefuls ahead of the upcoming games in Italy.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
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Speaker 1 (23:34):
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Grace Lynch, Taylor Williamson, and Lucy Jones. Our executive producers
are Christina Everett, Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder.
Our editors are Emily Rudder, Britney Martinez and Gianna Palmer.
Production assistants from Avery LOFTUS and I'm Your Host Sarah
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