June 17, 2025 • 28 mins
Thirsty? Take a swig of some Big Citrus! The gang gathers to give you the juice on Mish’s weekend trip to Portland for the Athlete Ally summit, Alex’s answer to a slice’s question about WNBA contracts and payments, and Sarah’s take on Angel City’s “Immigrant City Football Club” shirts. Plus, PWHL free agency is in full swing, Angel Reese turns trolling into a trademark, and a precise formula determines the gayest teams in the WNBA.
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Get your ACFC “Immigrant City Football Club” shirt here
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And learn about the work of Camino Immigration Services here
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Watch pop artist Nezza sing “El Pendón Estrellado” even though the Dodgers organization told her not to here
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Learn more about Athlete Ally’s work here
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The full WNBA schedule is here
- Read Stephen Noh’s story disproving the theory that Angel Reese is a rebounding stat-padder here
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Check out Angel Reese’s “Mebounds” trademark application and thank you to the trolls here
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Find out how gay your favorite WNBA team is here
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The full AUSL schedule is here
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Read Cassandra Negley’s story about Aari McDonald’s har
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're turning
trolling into trademarks like Angel Reese. It's Tuesday, June seventeenth,
and on today's show, Big Citrus is reconvening to discuss
Misha's trip to this year's athlete Ally Summit, the revolving
door of WNBA players on short term contracts, and how
one NWSL team's bold move has us considering the role
of women's sports and activism going forward. Plus PWHL free
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agency is a go a TimewARP of a schedule, and
a proven formula that finally determines the gayest team in
the WNBA. It's all coming up right after this welcome
back slices. Here's what you need to know today. Let's
start with the PWHL, where the expansion Draft is done
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and the free agency's signing window is now open. As
of Monday, all eight teams can begin signing free agents
and making trades. Just a reminder, free agents were not
eligible for selection as part of the expansion Draft, so
we could see a lot of big moves or lots
of players just resigning with their existing teams. Some of
the biggest names to keep tabs on are Toronto's Hannah
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Miller and Natalie Spooner, Ottawa's Theresa Venizeva, Boston Susannah Topany,
and Minnesota's Matti Rooney and Mikayla Cava.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
As of this.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Recording, there are already reports from the athletics Hailey Salvian
that Hannah Miller is signing with Vancouver, so it seems
like we can expect some big news to report soon.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
To the WNBA, there are six, count them, six.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
WNBA games tonight, and wouldn't you know it, the league
space to mount nicely say you can watch them, just kidding.
If there's ever a time to borrow your neighbors tablet,
it's tonight. There are two games at seven pm Eastern
and three at eight pm Eastern, and one ten pm
Eastern contest.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
First the seven pm games, the.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
New York Liberty will look to start a new win
streak when they tip off against the eight and three
Atlanta Dream, while the two and eight Connecticut Sun are
traveling to the five and five Indiana Fever. Then at
eight pm, the struggling Las Vegas Aces take on the
ten and one Minnesota and for a third straight game,
the Aces are going to be without Asia Wilson. Wilson
was placed in concussion protocol last week. No word yet
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when she's expected to return. Also at eight pm Eastern,
the Red Hot Golden State Valkyries are traveling to the
Dallas Wings, where Page Beckers is back and could have
a nice little on court reunion with former Yukon teammate
Caitlin Chen, who was re signed by the Balks over
the weekend. Also at eight Big Citrus bragging rights are
on the line with Mesha's four and seven Washington Mystics
taking on my three and seven Chicago Sky.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Battle of the Struggle Squads. Let's do this, meche.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Finally, at ten pm Eastern and West Coast battle between
the La Sparks and the Seattle Storm. We'll link to
the full WNBA schedule in the show notes so you
can drop some x's and o's to figure out your
game viewing plan. The onew team not in action tonight
the Phoenix Mercury. They're back in action tomorrow against the
Sun and they're currently enjoying the return of some of
their biggest names. Alyssa Thomas came back from injury last week,
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followed by the return of Kalia Copper on Sunday. The
Mercury's leading score last season, underwent a knee procedure in May,
which kept her out for the first eleven games. In
the mercury seventy six to seventy win over the Las
Vegas Aces Sunday, Copper played eighteen minutes, recording eleven points.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Glad to see a backca and not just because you're
on my fantasy roster.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
A little more w news as Chicago Skystar Angel Rees
turned in attempted trolling into a money making opportunity. Reese's
critics have oft claimed that her rebounding numbers are buoyed
by grabbing her own missus, actually leading reporter Stephen Noe
to publish a report last season disproving the theory. We'll link
to that story in our show notes, but as we know,
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folks do their own research. So the trolling has continued,
including people calling Angels rebounds me bounds. But she turned
their trash talk into a trademark idea, officially filing to
trademark the word mee bounds on Saturday for t shirts, sweatshirts,
and hats, and she posted this video thanking the trolls
for the idea.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Whoever came up with the mee bounce thing, y'all ain't
that up?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Because rebounds, met mound, cree bound, keep rose brow reading.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Anything that comes off that board.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
It's fine, and a brand sire there. Whoever came up
with that. The trolling I love when I'll do it
because like the ideas, be good.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
We'll link to the trademark notice and the video in
the show notes to softball, where we've got two AUSL
games tonight with all four teams in action in Wichita, Kansas.
The top ranked Bandits are taken on the number two Talons,
followed by the number three Volts against the last place Blaze.
We'll link to the full au schedule in the show notes.
And don't forget to check and see if they're coming
to a city near you. Remember this first season as
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a barnstorm and tour, so they might be playing in
your city. We got to take a quick break. When
we come back, get out the juicer. It's time for
Big Citrus.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Welcome back slices.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
It's time to bring Big Citrus back together.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Producer Mish, how are you? I'm good? Happy to be back.
Producer Alex feeling good.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Oh yeah, happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I mean as good as we can be right now,
which is not great, Bob, But we're here together talking
and me. I want to hear about this trip you
just took that looked really awesome. You went out to
an athlete Ally event, and we've talked about them in
a past show. Actually, they're a nonprofit LGBTQ athletic advocacy
group based in the US, and they try to make
athletic communities more inclusive, less discriminatory, and help athletes to
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advocate for the community and LGBTQ plus equality.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
So I want to hear about the trip you took.
I saw the.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Little photos from your plane ride, but I want to
hear more.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yes, the athlete Ally Athlete Activism Summit. This has been
the highlight of my summer so far. And that is
saying a lot, because I've done a lot of cool
shit this summer already. But basically, athlete Ally had the
summit for student athletes for college university administration in outside
of the athletic space and for coaches to come and
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meet in Portland, Oregon and talk about some really important
topics like nil in that house versus NC DOUBLEA settlement
and how that affects folks, how to help those kids
that were in attendance navigate the NIL space, But also
more important things like what do we do now that
trans folks are literally under attack in the NC double
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A space, that there are folks who aren't allowed to
play anymore, folks who are getting cut from teams, folks
who are seeing repercussions on their college campuses. How can
we support people in the core community at large, How
can we take advantage of intersectionality within different identity groups
and marginalized groups, and how can folks work together to
make campuses more welcoming spaces and frankly think about the
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future of.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Sport in a different way.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
There were a lot of really important and really smart
questions that were asked this weekend by kids and adults alike.
And I think my biggest takeaway from my experience is
that the.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Kids are the kids are gonna be all right. The
kids are gonna be just fine.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
But to give you an idea of what we did,
we had this really cool kind of field trip vibe
going on. We went to a place called Sciomania Lodge.
It's actually in Washington I'd never been to Oregon or Washington,
so I got to check both those off the list,
and so we were in there. We had big group
sessions with folks like Lesia Clarendon, who was on a
panel talking about masculinity and how that's affected their journey
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as an athlete. We had folks like coach Jackie j
who we just had on the podcast talking about Yeah.
I got to spend a lot of one time with
both Jackie and Lesia and talk about, you know, the
different ways they're trying to have impact and advocate for
the things that they want to advocate for, and all
in all, it was just it was cathartic, you know
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what I mean. I think I expected going in for
it to be more about the kids, and it ended
up really touching my heart as well, because you know,
we're all on our own journeys, and I'm on, you know,
a very specific journey to me with my gender and
identity and things, and I got to connect with other
folks who feel that same way and had the same
kind of questions and thoughts and struggles and challenges, and
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so all in all it was wonderful. We got to
go on a hike through Skimania's trails.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Was about a two mile hike. It was gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I don't know if either of you have ever been
into the mountains in Washington, but I've just never seen
anything like that.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I'm talking with the snowcaps. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Like I actually when I was in Switzerland posted photos
and someone was like, you know, it's not quite the same,
but if you go to Washington, there's like areas of
the United States that we underappreciate, yea for how much
they have that similar beauty of the Alps.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And it really made me want to go there. So
I'm jellyfish yes. From from the plane to actually being there,
it was. It was remarkable. It was remarkable.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Wait to have a quick question for you, because you
talked about how you really seem to learn from both
the students and the people who were running the panels
and the conversations. Is there a specific conversation that stands
out to either a question that no one really had
an answer to but really made you think, or something
where someone offered up a solution that you were like, wow,
I never thought about that.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Absolutely. I just mentioned that masculinity panel. It was about
all the ways masculinity has affected both CIS and transigender
career non binary folks in the sports space and the
ways masculinity is shaped in our adolescence, how that can
affect the way we move in the world and in
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our sport.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Are you speaking about masculinity as a quality that can
be held by any gender?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Okay, yes, absolutely, And I think that was a big
root of the conversation, right, A big bullet point in
there is that masculinity doesn't belong to.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Just a concept, it's just theer.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Indeed, And I think I was really touched by Lesia
Clarendon's openness and willingness to be really transparent, which we
expected nothing less.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Right is just that's that's what he's known for.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
But I was really touched by a question an athlete
named Maggie asked a non binary athlete asked, lay, how
do you exist in the in between when everybody in
your life wants an answer to your identity questions and
you don't have one, And that is okay to you,
but it's not okay to other people who want to
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put you in a box. How do you protect your
peace and also educate folks and bring them into your world?
To the level that you want them to be in
your world. And Lay was just really open and honest
about the fact that even at thirty five, thirty six,
however old Lay is, it's still hard, right, But there's
so much power and so much creativity and so many
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answers we can get just from trans and gender career
people who are living in that intersection.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
So yeah, that really touched me.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I'm actually really interested in this too, because I think
when I was growing up, there was so little conversation
about gender and presentation and identity that it felt like
even if you weren't unsure of your identity, I was
sure I was a woman and a girl, but I
was so frustrated by the expectations for girls that I
often had a friend and we would literally joke about
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how we were like, let's start something new, called it
where we can be whatever the hell we want and
play sports.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
We made little cards as a joke.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I think we were in like fourth grade or fifth grade,
and we were like already aware of how bullshit it
was that we were expected to be certain things and
we weren't.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
We were really funny and outgoing.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
We wanted to play sports all the time, we didn't
want to have to wear skirts to certain events. And
it wasn't because I thought I wasn't a girl, but
it was because I knew what a girl was was bullshit.
And it's interesting and it will be interesting to see
how kids these days either are able to truly embrace
an identity that's more complicated or just be the identity
that's simple and easy but feels more open and less restrictive.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah. And the last thing I'll say on this point
is the part of that question that really touched me
that Maggie asked was that I was about to raise
my hand and asked the exact same question. And this
kid is this kid is twenty one? Yeah, you know
what I mean, I'm damn near thirty. I know you're
gonna call me a baby again. Okay, insert crying noise.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
All right, but it's.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Only someone who's a couple of years away from thirty
says I'm damn near something.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Meanwhile, I try to go in reverse, I'm.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Also damn near thirty.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Okay, in the opposite Yeah, all right, But it was
just moments like that that really brought, you know, filled
my cup and I want to give a shout out
to all the folks who organize that, from Hudson who's
the founder executive director, to Sydney Fellow, William and Mary
Alum who had the logistics on Locke at f Ujah,
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Anna Bathe, doctor Anna Bath, excuse me, doctor joe Lyne,
Jordan Lexton, everybody who was involved in making that such
a wonderful experience.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
And you got to see Jenny at the sports bra
and I got to see Jenny at the sports Brau.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I had never been to those Jelly Braga y'all. You
got to get their aceet a sip.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
All right, Misha, someone that has ten states left on
my list, of which Oregon and Washington are two. I'm
very jealous of that entire weekend.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
That sounds amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I'm jealous as you get to do it for the first.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Time, Alex, Yeah, I want to do it over again.
All right? What you got for us today?
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I have been thinking a lot as we have been
celebrating these players that are coming back to the WNBA.
Caitlin Chen re signing with the Valkyries after getting waived
earlier this season, Aery McDonald playing three games in Indiana,
Hayley Jones playing four games, with the Phoenix Mercury. You know,
these are players that we watched in college. We want
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to have success in the W and then their time
in the W is cut short because of roster limits.
And it actually reminded me of a question that we
got a few weeks ago from Slice Samantha Lee. She wrote,
love the Show. I have a question about WNBA waving
players and getting players in on two week injury international
backfill contracts. Are there players who continue to practice with
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the team and so are in the system to fill
those roles? How are they paid? Or how do you
stay in shape, etc. To be ready to fill those
roles if you're not playing. Is there a lower division league?
I don't know about. I so appreciated this question because
it brought me back to my early days of covering
the W back in twenty twenty one, and I distinctly
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remember I was on a press conference with Cheryl Reeve
and somebody asked her, Hey, Cheryl, how does it feel
to go without male practice players for a second straight year?
Because at that point, the WNBA didn't have male practice
players coming in. It was still COVID times, and so
they wanted to just limit the amount of exposure that
players had, and she went on a little rant. I
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don't want to even call it a rant because it
was just a Cheryl Reeve truth to power moment, and
she talked about how she didn't want to have male
practice players, that she wanted to have female practice players,
and that people just assume that they use male practice
players because men are better. It's actually because they are
not allowed to use female practice players. And it's a
little bit convoluted, but essentially the reason does make sense,
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where the WNBA Players Association doesn't want teams stashing players
as practice players and not paying them, and so.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
They can from going to other teams right exactly where
they might get paid.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
And so it's one of those things where it makes sense.
And yet I don't think that the way that it
is being implemented and also the result is fair. In fact,
I would argue that it is exploiting players. So Cassandra
Negli of Yahoo Sports wrote a great story We'll linked
to it in the show notes, and she looked at
Aary McDonald's journey in the WNBA and how when she
got cut earlier this season by the Sparks, she went
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home in her childhood bedroom and was working out with
her brother. And so the reality for these players is
that when they are not playing on WNBA teams, they
are paying their own way. They're trying to find free
gym time, They're looking for old friends and coaches that
they can work out with because they have to do
it all on their own. And so then you see
that Airy got paid just six four hundred dollars for
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three games with Indiana, and it's like the math doesn't
math here. I hope that it's something that they are
considering in their current CBA negotiations. I realize that they
are way bigger fish to fry here, but it feels
to me like, because these roster spots are so hard
to make, it almost becomes a pay to play model
where only the players that are able to kind of
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cobble it together on the back end are able to
stay in shape to get.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Those call ups.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Cassandra also interviewed the Dream General manager to ask, Hey,
as a GM, how are you dealing with calling in
these players? And he basically said he has two lists.
One of the players that he knows our state side
that could be on a flight in ten hours in
order to get to tomorrow's game and then also his
additional list of players if they have more time. So
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anyway to answer your full question, Samantha, it's not a
fair system as it works right now, and part of
the reason is that WNBA rosters are capped at twelve players,
which is not nearly enough to meet a team's full
season long needs.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, when players get hurt instead of being able to
go to a bench that should be deep enough to
be able to have the players that are there every
single day and have been all season get thrust into action,
they sometimes need to get those hardship players also worth noting,
and I want to have her on the show. There's
a woman I've been a handful of times named Fatima
A and she runs the Women's Premieer Basketball Association, and
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she really wants to try to make this essentially a
minor league system, a G league type system for the
w so that there can be a concurrently playing league
at a lower level that will feed players up and
back the same way the glegists in the NBA. So
that'll be worth keeping an eye on and seeing if
she's able to do that. We actually have so much
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more we can talk about when it comes to WNBA
policy around a variety of things.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
But thank you for clearing that up. Al.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
We'll get back to you on another one in the
future too, because I'm sure there's more questions coming in
from slices. What I want to talk about today was
something I mentioned on yesterday's show, Angel City FC responding
to the immigration raids in Los Angeles. At their home
game against the North Carolina Courage on Saturday. You remember,
their player's staff and management were wearing Immigrant City T shirts,
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and the team also handed out ten thousand of those
shirts to fans and flew in one of their owners,
whose pop star and actress Becky g to read a
statement before the game. It was also a statement that
they handed out on cards to all their supporters. It
read quote, the fabric of this city is made of immigrants.
Football does not exist without immigrants. This club does not
exist without immigrants. This was one of a couple different
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things done across the women's sports space in response to
these raids. Earlier this week, the NWSL Players Association and
the WNBA Players Association released a.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Joint statement about the raids.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Their statement read, in part quote, we stand with all
people seeking safety dignity and opportunity. No matter where they
come from or where they hope to go, every person
deserves to be treated with dignity and respect. We know
not every situation is simple, but offering compassion should never
be up for debate.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
End quote.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Now, neither the WNBA nor the NWSL the leagues themselves
have issued a statement about the raids or supporting immigrants,
but a few clubs, including that Angel City we just
mentioned and then the Chicago Stars FC, have released statements
and offered up links to resources. Also on the men's side,
we saw in LA last weekend that fans of the
MLS team LAFC made an abolish ice TFO and they
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unfolded in the stands before kickoff and then sat in
silence throughout the game against Sporting Kansas City. I guess
there are rules that potentially could have had that TFO
taken down, and it wasn't, so it sounds like at
the very least LAFC was in supportive or at least
wasn't going to end their statement. Meantime, the Dodgers and
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other major men's pro teams in LA have been criticized
for their relative silence and in action In fact, the
Dodgers even told pop artist Nessa, who performed the national
anthem at a Dodgers game on Saturday, that she couldn't
perform it Spanish, but shout out to her because she
did it anyway, and she posted it behind the scenes
video of her being told that she should sing it
in English and then her singing it in Spanish anyway
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to rousing applause from the folks in the stands. So
we'll link to her post about that situation in our
show notes. And the reason I want to talk about
this quickly was, first of all, massive shout out to
Angel City because it takes a lot of guts and
bravery in this moment, and also because it reminded me
of the Minnesota Lynks a couple of years ago, who
really put themselves out there as a team and as
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an organization in full, from coach, owner, players on down.
Several notable instances of that that you may or may
not recall was back in twenty sixteen. On July ninth,
the captains for the Links came out in black warm
up shirts that read Change Starts with US, Justice and Accountability.
That was after the shooting deaths of Alton Sterling, Filando Castile,
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and five Dallas police officers. In twenty twenty one, coach
Cheryl Reeve was outspoken after the shooting death of Dante Wright.
She's also talked to out the rights of transgender women
and nine binary athletes.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
She's been out on.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Front of a number of major issues, and of course
we know about Maya Moore's work to help with the
wrongfully imprisoned. So the links sort of became this place
in sports, this team in sports that you knew was
going to step out in front of these things. And
it feels like angel City, at least in this case
and in their short history, have sort of established themselves
as a team that's going to do that too. And
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I think the biggest thing I want to say is
that I just have a question about whether women's sports
will still be able to have this position in terms
of society and the intersection of these major issues with sport,
because with new investment comes potentially more conservative owners. We're
at the very least owners who don't come from or
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know the women's sports space the same way and might
be reticent to allow for protests and activations like this. Also,
more coverage means more eyeballs from everyone, and that includes
the administration. There is now more weight than ever in
using women's sports as a political not just when it
comes to trans inclusion, but everything. And I worry about
the ability for teams to stand up understanding they will
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be under a microscope that's much closer to the one
that men's teams are under when they want to make
statements like this. And I really hope we see these
teams and these players and these coaches and these owners
continue to be on the forefront of this because we
saw how powerful it could be in flipping the Senate.
We've seen how much of a difference it makes in
sports where there's so many different people from every single race, religion,
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background coming together to watch and care about something, and
how it gets them to discuss things they might not
otherwise talk about. And I don't know, I just I'm
a little worried and I'm hopeful at the same time
about what the future could look like for activism in
women's sports. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
I think it's an interesting moment because this move by
Immigrant City FC, also known as ahel City, is different
to me in some respects from the Minnesota links in
twenty sixteen, and it's one of those things that I
think maybe newer fans to the w don't realize because
they think, oh, the WNBA is this really progressive league,
And I think there's a slight correction that's needed there.
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Of the WNBA is a league with very progressive players
that the league has at time attempted to hold back.
And you can even point to that twenty sixteen example
when initially the league fined those Minnesota players for wearing
those shirts, along with players from other teams that did
the same thing. Following their lead. The finds were ultimately rescinded,
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but it shows you that this is a league that
has been led by players, and so the fact that
the Angel City show up support for immigrants, as far
as we know, has been led kind of by the
front office feels different to me. Of course, it has
the player support as well, but I do think that
it's important to note who's leading those conversations and what
it means about the structures that they're operating within.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I completely agree it's worth noting, and Glenn Taylor has
never stepped in or tried to stop anything that was
said or done by the Links players, so while the
league itself, and I think when we think of that,
we think front office, commissioner, etc.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Hasn't always been in step.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
There has been a belief from a lot of players
that their owners will align with them or at least
support them in those moments, which isn't always the case
in other leagues.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
So I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
But also there is more top down progressivism in women's
leagues than say men's. Even where we consider the NBA
a very progressive league, it's really only in relation to
other leagues because the MNBA still has a majority of
owners who donated to the Trump campaign and would consider
themselves Republican and conservative.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah, I'm gonna yes, and your yes, and sera, Yes,
I do think you're right. I think the w and
a lot of women's forts leagues do have owners that
don't desire to step in and be in the way
of you know, advocacy. But this goes back to the
conversation we've had on the show before. I would love,
I would love for us to get to a place
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where those folks who are the owners, those folks who
do have the decision making power, are also the ones
who are most closely aligned with the people on the
front lines of these fights. So I just want to
put that out there. I know we've had discussions about
when money gets into the system, into the mix, sometimes
things change. Sometimes you know their concessions and compromises you
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have to make with people. But I want, and I
really hope for women's sports and all of sports, frankly,
that we get to a point where we do have
people in positions of real, real, real power who are
making decisions and have advocacy at the heart of those decisions.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Completely agree, and frankly, I'm torn on whether I want
this administration and a whole bunch of the country to
keep ignoring women's sports so that they can keep thriving
in this way, or whether I don't want to wish
for them to be irrelevant in that way. But I
do worry about what it means when you get in
the crosshairs of Donald Trump and this administration and the
literal ways that they can and have financially and otherwise
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restraint did their enemies, and so I understand why in
this particular moment there might be some concern about just
how much you want to step up and step out.
But props to Angel City for being willing to take
a really big first step in that way, in this
moment in their city. All Right, we got to take
a break when we come back. The easiest add to
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Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're turning
trolling into trademarks like Angel Reese. It's Tuesday, June seventeenth,
and on today's show, Big Citrus is reconvening to discuss
Misha's trip to this year's athlete Ally Summit, the revolving
door of WNBA players on short term contracts, and how
one NWSL team's bold move has us considering the role
of women's sports and activism going forward. Plus PWHL free
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agency is a go a TimewARP of a schedule, and
a proven formula that finally determines the gayest team in
the WNBA. It's all coming up right after this welcome
back slices. Here's what you need to know today. Let's
start with the PWHL, where the expansion Draft is done
(00:47):
and the free agency's signing window is now open. As
of Monday, all eight teams can begin signing free agents
and making trades. Just a reminder, free agents were not
eligible for selection as part of the expansion Draft, so
we could see a lot of big moves or lots
of players just resigning with their existing teams. Some of
the biggest names to keep tabs on are Toronto's Hannah
(01:08):
Miller and Natalie Spooner, Ottawa's Theresa Venizeva, Boston Susannah Topany,
and Minnesota's Matti Rooney and Mikayla Cava.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
As of this.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Recording, there are already reports from the athletics Hailey Salvian
that Hannah Miller is signing with Vancouver, so it seems
like we can expect some big news to report soon.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
To the WNBA, there are six, count them, six.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
WNBA games tonight, and wouldn't you know it, the league
space to mount nicely say you can watch them, just kidding.
If there's ever a time to borrow your neighbors tablet,
it's tonight. There are two games at seven pm Eastern
and three at eight pm Eastern, and one ten pm
Eastern contest.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
First the seven pm games, the.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
New York Liberty will look to start a new win
streak when they tip off against the eight and three
Atlanta Dream, while the two and eight Connecticut Sun are
traveling to the five and five Indiana Fever. Then at
eight pm, the struggling Las Vegas Aces take on the
ten and one Minnesota and for a third straight game,
the Aces are going to be without Asia Wilson. Wilson
was placed in concussion protocol last week. No word yet
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when she's expected to return. Also at eight pm Eastern,
the Red Hot Golden State Valkyries are traveling to the
Dallas Wings, where Page Beckers is back and could have
a nice little on court reunion with former Yukon teammate
Caitlin Chen, who was re signed by the Balks over
the weekend. Also at eight Big Citrus bragging rights are
on the line with Mesha's four and seven Washington Mystics
taking on my three and seven Chicago Sky.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Battle of the Struggle Squads. Let's do this, meche.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Finally, at ten pm Eastern and West Coast battle between
the La Sparks and the Seattle Storm. We'll link to
the full WNBA schedule in the show notes so you
can drop some x's and o's to figure out your
game viewing plan. The onew team not in action tonight
the Phoenix Mercury. They're back in action tomorrow against the
Sun and they're currently enjoying the return of some of
their biggest names. Alyssa Thomas came back from injury last week,
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followed by the return of Kalia Copper on Sunday. The
Mercury's leading score last season, underwent a knee procedure in May,
which kept her out for the first eleven games. In
the mercury seventy six to seventy win over the Las
Vegas Aces Sunday, Copper played eighteen minutes, recording eleven points.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Glad to see a backca and not just because you're
on my fantasy roster.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
A little more w news as Chicago Skystar Angel Rees
turned in attempted trolling into a money making opportunity. Reese's
critics have oft claimed that her rebounding numbers are buoyed
by grabbing her own missus, actually leading reporter Stephen Noe
to publish a report last season disproving the theory. We'll link
to that story in our show notes, but as we know,
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folks do their own research. So the trolling has continued,
including people calling Angels rebounds me bounds. But she turned
their trash talk into a trademark idea, officially filing to
trademark the word mee bounds on Saturday for t shirts, sweatshirts,
and hats, and she posted this video thanking the trolls
for the idea.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Whoever came up with the mee bounce thing, y'all ain't
that up?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Because rebounds, met mound, cree bound, keep rose brow reading.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Anything that comes off that board.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
It's fine, and a brand sire there. Whoever came up
with that. The trolling I love when I'll do it
because like the ideas, be good.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
We'll link to the trademark notice and the video in
the show notes to softball, where we've got two AUSL
games tonight with all four teams in action in Wichita, Kansas.
The top ranked Bandits are taken on the number two Talons,
followed by the number three Volts against the last place Blaze.
We'll link to the full au schedule in the show notes.
And don't forget to check and see if they're coming
to a city near you. Remember this first season as
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a barnstorm and tour, so they might be playing in
your city. We got to take a quick break. When
we come back, get out the juicer. It's time for
Big Citrus.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Welcome back slices.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
It's time to bring Big Citrus back together.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Producer Mish, how are you? I'm good? Happy to be back.
Producer Alex feeling good.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Oh yeah, happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I mean as good as we can be right now,
which is not great, Bob, But we're here together talking
and me. I want to hear about this trip you
just took that looked really awesome. You went out to
an athlete Ally event, and we've talked about them in
a past show. Actually, they're a nonprofit LGBTQ athletic advocacy
group based in the US, and they try to make
athletic communities more inclusive, less discriminatory, and help athletes to
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advocate for the community and LGBTQ plus equality.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
So I want to hear about the trip you took.
I saw the.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Little photos from your plane ride, but I want to
hear more.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yes, the athlete Ally Athlete Activism Summit. This has been
the highlight of my summer so far. And that is
saying a lot, because I've done a lot of cool
shit this summer already. But basically, athlete Ally had the
summit for student athletes for college university administration in outside
of the athletic space and for coaches to come and
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meet in Portland, Oregon and talk about some really important
topics like nil in that house versus NC DOUBLEA settlement
and how that affects folks, how to help those kids
that were in attendance navigate the NIL space, But also
more important things like what do we do now that
trans folks are literally under attack in the NC double
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A space, that there are folks who aren't allowed to
play anymore, folks who are getting cut from teams, folks
who are seeing repercussions on their college campuses. How can
we support people in the core community at large, How
can we take advantage of intersectionality within different identity groups
and marginalized groups, and how can folks work together to
make campuses more welcoming spaces and frankly think about the
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future of.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Sport in a different way.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
There were a lot of really important and really smart
questions that were asked this weekend by kids and adults alike.
And I think my biggest takeaway from my experience is
that the.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Kids are the kids are gonna be all right. The
kids are gonna be just fine.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
But to give you an idea of what we did,
we had this really cool kind of field trip vibe
going on. We went to a place called Sciomania Lodge.
It's actually in Washington I'd never been to Oregon or Washington,
so I got to check both those off the list,
and so we were in there. We had big group
sessions with folks like Lesia Clarendon, who was on a
panel talking about masculinity and how that's affected their journey
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as an athlete. We had folks like coach Jackie j
who we just had on the podcast talking about Yeah.
I got to spend a lot of one time with
both Jackie and Lesia and talk about, you know, the
different ways they're trying to have impact and advocate for
the things that they want to advocate for, and all
in all, it was just it was cathartic, you know
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what I mean. I think I expected going in for
it to be more about the kids, and it ended
up really touching my heart as well, because you know,
we're all on our own journeys, and I'm on, you know,
a very specific journey to me with my gender and
identity and things, and I got to connect with other
folks who feel that same way and had the same
kind of questions and thoughts and struggles and challenges, and
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so all in all it was wonderful. We got to
go on a hike through Skimania's trails.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Was about a two mile hike. It was gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I don't know if either of you have ever been
into the mountains in Washington, but I've just never seen
anything like that.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I'm talking with the snowcaps. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Like I actually when I was in Switzerland posted photos
and someone was like, you know, it's not quite the same,
but if you go to Washington, there's like areas of
the United States that we underappreciate, yea for how much
they have that similar beauty of the Alps.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And it really made me want to go there. So
I'm jellyfish yes. From from the plane to actually being there,
it was. It was remarkable. It was remarkable.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Wait to have a quick question for you, because you
talked about how you really seem to learn from both
the students and the people who were running the panels
and the conversations. Is there a specific conversation that stands
out to either a question that no one really had
an answer to but really made you think, or something
where someone offered up a solution that you were like, wow,
I never thought about that.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Absolutely. I just mentioned that masculinity panel. It was about
all the ways masculinity has affected both CIS and transigender
career non binary folks in the sports space and the
ways masculinity is shaped in our adolescence, how that can
affect the way we move in the world and in
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our sport.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Are you speaking about masculinity as a quality that can
be held by any gender?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Okay, yes, absolutely, And I think that was a big
root of the conversation, right, A big bullet point in
there is that masculinity doesn't belong to.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Just a concept, it's just theer.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Indeed, And I think I was really touched by Lesia
Clarendon's openness and willingness to be really transparent, which we
expected nothing less.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Right is just that's that's what he's known for.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
But I was really touched by a question an athlete
named Maggie asked a non binary athlete asked, lay, how
do you exist in the in between when everybody in
your life wants an answer to your identity questions and
you don't have one, And that is okay to you,
but it's not okay to other people who want to
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put you in a box. How do you protect your
peace and also educate folks and bring them into your world?
To the level that you want them to be in
your world. And Lay was just really open and honest
about the fact that even at thirty five, thirty six,
however old Lay is, it's still hard, right, But there's
so much power and so much creativity and so many
(10:45):
answers we can get just from trans and gender career
people who are living in that intersection.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
So yeah, that really touched me.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I'm actually really interested in this too, because I think
when I was growing up, there was so little conversation
about gender and presentation and identity that it felt like
even if you weren't unsure of your identity, I was
sure I was a woman and a girl, but I
was so frustrated by the expectations for girls that I
often had a friend and we would literally joke about
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how we were like, let's start something new, called it
where we can be whatever the hell we want and
play sports.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
We made little cards as a joke.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I think we were in like fourth grade or fifth grade,
and we were like already aware of how bullshit it
was that we were expected to be certain things and
we weren't.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
We were really funny and outgoing.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
We wanted to play sports all the time, we didn't
want to have to wear skirts to certain events. And
it wasn't because I thought I wasn't a girl, but
it was because I knew what a girl was was bullshit.
And it's interesting and it will be interesting to see
how kids these days either are able to truly embrace
an identity that's more complicated or just be the identity
that's simple and easy but feels more open and less restrictive.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah. And the last thing I'll say on this point
is the part of that question that really touched me
that Maggie asked was that I was about to raise
my hand and asked the exact same question. And this
kid is this kid is twenty one? Yeah, you know
what I mean, I'm damn near thirty. I know you're
gonna call me a baby again. Okay, insert crying noise.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
All right, but it's.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Only someone who's a couple of years away from thirty
says I'm damn near something.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Meanwhile, I try to go in reverse, I'm.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Also damn near thirty.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Okay, in the opposite Yeah, all right, But it was
just moments like that that really brought, you know, filled
my cup and I want to give a shout out
to all the folks who organize that, from Hudson who's
the founder executive director, to Sydney Fellow, William and Mary
Alum who had the logistics on Locke at f Ujah,
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Anna Bathe, doctor Anna Bath, excuse me, doctor joe Lyne,
Jordan Lexton, everybody who was involved in making that such
a wonderful experience.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
And you got to see Jenny at the sports bra
and I got to see Jenny at the sports Brau.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I had never been to those Jelly Braga y'all. You
got to get their aceet a sip.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
All right, Misha, someone that has ten states left on
my list, of which Oregon and Washington are two. I'm
very jealous of that entire weekend.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
That sounds amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I'm jealous as you get to do it for the first.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Time, Alex, Yeah, I want to do it over again.
All right? What you got for us today?
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I have been thinking a lot as we have been
celebrating these players that are coming back to the WNBA.
Caitlin Chen re signing with the Valkyries after getting waived
earlier this season, Aery McDonald playing three games in Indiana,
Hayley Jones playing four games, with the Phoenix Mercury. You know,
these are players that we watched in college. We want
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to have success in the W and then their time
in the W is cut short because of roster limits.
And it actually reminded me of a question that we
got a few weeks ago from Slice Samantha Lee. She wrote,
love the Show. I have a question about WNBA waving
players and getting players in on two week injury international
backfill contracts. Are there players who continue to practice with
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the team and so are in the system to fill
those roles? How are they paid? Or how do you
stay in shape, etc. To be ready to fill those
roles if you're not playing. Is there a lower division league?
I don't know about. I so appreciated this question because
it brought me back to my early days of covering
the W back in twenty twenty one, and I distinctly
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remember I was on a press conference with Cheryl Reeve
and somebody asked her, Hey, Cheryl, how does it feel
to go without male practice players for a second straight year?
Because at that point, the WNBA didn't have male practice
players coming in. It was still COVID times, and so
they wanted to just limit the amount of exposure that
players had, and she went on a little rant. I
(14:45):
don't want to even call it a rant because it
was just a Cheryl Reeve truth to power moment, and
she talked about how she didn't want to have male
practice players, that she wanted to have female practice players,
and that people just assume that they use male practice
players because men are better. It's actually because they are
not allowed to use female practice players. And it's a
little bit convoluted, but essentially the reason does make sense,
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where the WNBA Players Association doesn't want teams stashing players
as practice players and not paying them, and so.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
They can from going to other teams right exactly where
they might get paid.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
And so it's one of those things where it makes sense.
And yet I don't think that the way that it
is being implemented and also the result is fair. In fact,
I would argue that it is exploiting players. So Cassandra
Negli of Yahoo Sports wrote a great story We'll linked
to it in the show notes, and she looked at
Aary McDonald's journey in the WNBA and how when she
got cut earlier this season by the Sparks, she went
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home in her childhood bedroom and was working out with
her brother. And so the reality for these players is
that when they are not playing on WNBA teams, they
are paying their own way. They're trying to find free
gym time, They're looking for old friends and coaches that
they can work out with because they have to do
it all on their own. And so then you see
that Airy got paid just six four hundred dollars for
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three games with Indiana, and it's like the math doesn't
math here. I hope that it's something that they are
considering in their current CBA negotiations. I realize that they
are way bigger fish to fry here, but it feels
to me like, because these roster spots are so hard
to make, it almost becomes a pay to play model
where only the players that are able to kind of
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cobble it together on the back end are able to
stay in shape to get.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Those call ups.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Cassandra also interviewed the Dream General manager to ask, Hey,
as a GM, how are you dealing with calling in
these players? And he basically said he has two lists.
One of the players that he knows our state side
that could be on a flight in ten hours in
order to get to tomorrow's game and then also his
additional list of players if they have more time. So
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anyway to answer your full question, Samantha, it's not a
fair system as it works right now, and part of
the reason is that WNBA rosters are capped at twelve players,
which is not nearly enough to meet a team's full
season long needs.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, when players get hurt instead of being able to
go to a bench that should be deep enough to
be able to have the players that are there every
single day and have been all season get thrust into action,
they sometimes need to get those hardship players also worth noting,
and I want to have her on the show. There's
a woman I've been a handful of times named Fatima
A and she runs the Women's Premieer Basketball Association, and
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she really wants to try to make this essentially a
minor league system, a G league type system for the
w so that there can be a concurrently playing league
at a lower level that will feed players up and
back the same way the glegists in the NBA. So
that'll be worth keeping an eye on and seeing if
she's able to do that. We actually have so much
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more we can talk about when it comes to WNBA
policy around a variety of things.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
But thank you for clearing that up. Al.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
We'll get back to you on another one in the
future too, because I'm sure there's more questions coming in
from slices. What I want to talk about today was
something I mentioned on yesterday's show, Angel City FC responding
to the immigration raids in Los Angeles. At their home
game against the North Carolina Courage on Saturday. You remember,
their player's staff and management were wearing Immigrant City T shirts,
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and the team also handed out ten thousand of those
shirts to fans and flew in one of their owners,
whose pop star and actress Becky g to read a
statement before the game. It was also a statement that
they handed out on cards to all their supporters. It
read quote, the fabric of this city is made of immigrants.
Football does not exist without immigrants. This club does not
exist without immigrants. This was one of a couple different
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things done across the women's sports space in response to
these raids. Earlier this week, the NWSL Players Association and
the WNBA Players Association released a.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Joint statement about the raids.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Their statement read, in part quote, we stand with all
people seeking safety dignity and opportunity. No matter where they
come from or where they hope to go, every person
deserves to be treated with dignity and respect. We know
not every situation is simple, but offering compassion should never
be up for debate.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
End quote.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Now, neither the WNBA nor the NWSL the leagues themselves
have issued a statement about the raids or supporting immigrants,
but a few clubs, including that Angel City we just
mentioned and then the Chicago Stars FC, have released statements
and offered up links to resources. Also on the men's side,
we saw in LA last weekend that fans of the
MLS team LAFC made an abolish ice TFO and they
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unfolded in the stands before kickoff and then sat in
silence throughout the game against Sporting Kansas City. I guess
there are rules that potentially could have had that TFO
taken down, and it wasn't, so it sounds like at
the very least LAFC was in supportive or at least
wasn't going to end their statement. Meantime, the Dodgers and
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other major men's pro teams in LA have been criticized
for their relative silence and in action In fact, the
Dodgers even told pop artist Nessa, who performed the national
anthem at a Dodgers game on Saturday, that she couldn't
perform it Spanish, but shout out to her because she
did it anyway, and she posted it behind the scenes
video of her being told that she should sing it
in English and then her singing it in Spanish anyway
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to rousing applause from the folks in the stands. So
we'll link to her post about that situation in our
show notes. And the reason I want to talk about
this quickly was, first of all, massive shout out to
Angel City because it takes a lot of guts and
bravery in this moment, and also because it reminded me
of the Minnesota Lynks a couple of years ago, who
really put themselves out there as a team and as
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an organization in full, from coach, owner, players on down.
Several notable instances of that that you may or may
not recall was back in twenty sixteen. On July ninth,
the captains for the Links came out in black warm
up shirts that read Change Starts with US, Justice and Accountability.
That was after the shooting deaths of Alton Sterling, Filando Castile,
(20:52):
and five Dallas police officers. In twenty twenty one, coach
Cheryl Reeve was outspoken after the shooting death of Dante Wright.
She's also talked to out the rights of transgender women
and nine binary athletes.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
She's been out on.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Front of a number of major issues, and of course
we know about Maya Moore's work to help with the
wrongfully imprisoned. So the links sort of became this place
in sports, this team in sports that you knew was
going to step out in front of these things. And
it feels like angel City, at least in this case
and in their short history, have sort of established themselves
as a team that's going to do that too. And
(21:25):
I think the biggest thing I want to say is
that I just have a question about whether women's sports
will still be able to have this position in terms
of society and the intersection of these major issues with sport,
because with new investment comes potentially more conservative owners. We're
at the very least owners who don't come from or
(21:46):
know the women's sports space the same way and might
be reticent to allow for protests and activations like this. Also,
more coverage means more eyeballs from everyone, and that includes
the administration. There is now more weight than ever in
using women's sports as a political not just when it
comes to trans inclusion, but everything. And I worry about
the ability for teams to stand up understanding they will
(22:08):
be under a microscope that's much closer to the one
that men's teams are under when they want to make
statements like this. And I really hope we see these
teams and these players and these coaches and these owners
continue to be on the forefront of this because we
saw how powerful it could be in flipping the Senate.
We've seen how much of a difference it makes in
sports where there's so many different people from every single race, religion,
(22:31):
background coming together to watch and care about something, and
how it gets them to discuss things they might not
otherwise talk about. And I don't know, I just I'm
a little worried and I'm hopeful at the same time
about what the future could look like for activism in
women's sports. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
I think it's an interesting moment because this move by
Immigrant City FC, also known as ahel City, is different
to me in some respects from the Minnesota links in
twenty sixteen, and it's one of those things that I
think maybe newer fans to the w don't realize because
they think, oh, the WNBA is this really progressive league,
And I think there's a slight correction that's needed there.
(23:07):
Of the WNBA is a league with very progressive players
that the league has at time attempted to hold back.
And you can even point to that twenty sixteen example
when initially the league fined those Minnesota players for wearing
those shirts, along with players from other teams that did
the same thing. Following their lead. The finds were ultimately rescinded,
(23:28):
but it shows you that this is a league that
has been led by players, and so the fact that
the Angel City show up support for immigrants, as far
as we know, has been led kind of by the
front office feels different to me. Of course, it has
the player support as well, but I do think that
it's important to note who's leading those conversations and what
it means about the structures that they're operating within.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I completely agree it's worth noting, and Glenn Taylor has
never stepped in or tried to stop anything that was
said or done by the Links players, so while the
league itself, and I think when we think of that,
we think front office, commissioner, etc.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Hasn't always been in step.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
There has been a belief from a lot of players
that their owners will align with them or at least
support them in those moments, which isn't always the case
in other leagues.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
So I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
But also there is more top down progressivism in women's
leagues than say men's. Even where we consider the NBA
a very progressive league, it's really only in relation to
other leagues because the MNBA still has a majority of
owners who donated to the Trump campaign and would consider
themselves Republican and conservative.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah, I'm gonna yes, and your yes, and sera, Yes,
I do think you're right. I think the w and
a lot of women's forts leagues do have owners that
don't desire to step in and be in the way
of you know, advocacy. But this goes back to the
conversation we've had on the show before. I would love,
I would love for us to get to a place
(24:58):
where those folks who are the owners, those folks who
do have the decision making power, are also the ones
who are most closely aligned with the people on the
front lines of these fights. So I just want to
put that out there. I know we've had discussions about
when money gets into the system, into the mix, sometimes
things change. Sometimes you know their concessions and compromises you
(25:20):
have to make with people. But I want, and I
really hope for women's sports and all of sports, frankly,
that we get to a point where we do have
people in positions of real, real, real power who are
making decisions and have advocacy at the heart of those decisions.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Completely agree, and frankly, I'm torn on whether I want
this administration and a whole bunch of the country to
keep ignoring women's sports so that they can keep thriving
in this way, or whether I don't want to wish
for them to be irrelevant in that way. But I
do worry about what it means when you get in
the crosshairs of Donald Trump and this administration and the
literal ways that they can and have financially and otherwise
(25:59):
restraint did their enemies, and so I understand why in
this particular moment there might be some concern about just
how much you want to step up and step out.
But props to Angel City for being willing to take
a really big first step in that way, in this
moment in their city. All Right, we got to take
a break when we come back. The easiest add to
(26:21):
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