Sticky Brain with Katherine Legge

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to good Game with Sarah Spain, where we do
not need another sweatshirt. We do not need another sweat
clicks by on a fire Phantom Hodee on the Unrivaled site.
It's Wednesday, January twenty second, and on today's show, we'll
be talking with motorsport pioneer Catherine Legg about how her
dad helped her realize her need for speed, the win

(00:22):
win scenario that helped fund her racing career, and how
her philosophy on women in racing has evolved. Plus, Naomi
Germa's passport is about to get a whole lot of stamps.
Belated congrats to a dog and a man who just
can't get out of women's soccer fast enough. It's all
coming up right after this welcome back slices. Here's what

(00:51):
you need to know today to soccer at the twenty
twenty five NWSL schedule drops today at twelve pm Eastern.
Your eyes peeled for that on the league's social pages
and website. Sadly looks like we will not be watching
US women's national team star Naomi Germa in the NWSL
though this season. As she's crossing the pond per the athletics.

(01:11):
Meg Lenahan, Chelsea and the Women's Super League has agreed
to terms with the NWSL San Diego Wave to pay
a record one point one million dollar transfer fee for
the defender, though Lenahan sources said the negotiation process has
not been one hundred percent finalized. If it is, Germa
will become the first women's soccer player to earn a
transfer fee worth more than one million dollars. Will keep

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you posted as more details emerge. Happy for Germa, bummed
for me, y'all. I do not have the bandwidth to
start paying attention to all the soccer teams across the
pond too. I need them to stay in the NWSL
selfish reasons. More soccer news. BFC defender Jen Beattie has
announced her retirement from professional football. Beattie turned pro at
just fifteen years old, and her eighteen year career included

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multiple stops across the Pond, including helping Arsenal to four
FA women Super League titles, two FA Cups and the
Women's League Cup in twenty twelve. The Scotland native's career
also included one hundred and forty two caps and twenty
four goals for her national team. She retired from international
competition in twenty twenty three. In her one and only
ONWSL season, Beatty, a breast cancer survivor, was named the

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winner of the twenty twenty four Lauren Holiday Impact Award,
honoring her work in the community supporting and promoting breast
cancer awareness and patient support. In a statement released by AFC,
Beatty set of her retirement quote, I'm very, very grateful
for everything I've been able to do through football. When
I look back at my career, my favorite thing of
all is how fun it was. I've loved every second
of it, even all the hard stuff. I would do

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it all again, all the injuries, the day to day,
the big games. I feel so lucky to have made
friends for life off the back of it as well.
I've met really good people and worked with great coaches
and awesome clubs. End quote. One of those great people
met through footy. Based on what we last heard, and
by that, what we last peeped on social media is
wo so legend Ali Krieger, who's dating beat there's your

(03:00):
footy and gaishit update of the day. We've been really
bad about giving y'all all the goss lately, so We'll
get back to that soon. In WNBA news, Britney Griner
and the Phoenix Mercury have been basically synonymous since the
six foot nine center was drafted to the team in
twenty thirteen, but Griner may be headed elsewhere. On Tuesday,
the first day of WNBA free agency talks, Grinder's agent
told the Associated Press that the three time Olympic gold

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medalist is taking meetings with multiple teams and testing the market.
We'll keep you posted on that. Also in WNBA free agency,
the Chicago's Guide declined to give guard Kennedy Carter a
qualifying offer, making her an unrestricted free agent now, multiple
sources told friend at the Show, Andy Costable at the
Chicago Sun Times, the decision was tied to other players
dissatisfaction with the dynamic created in the locker room last

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year due to Carter's behavior, which allegedly went unchecked by
former coach Teresa Witherspoon. Now, there was an overall concern
within the team that re signing Carter would negatively impact
chances of landing other free agents. Weatherspoon was fired back
in September after her first season, and former Las Vegas
Aces assistant coach Tyler Marsh was named the Sky's new
head coach. Sky general manager Jeff Paglioca gave The Sun

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Times a statement on the decision, saying, Carter is quote
extremely talented and as a player that can impact the
game at the highest level in our league. We absolutely
appreciate all she did for our team last year. However,
we've made changes to our staff and we'll make changes
to our roster. Those changes impact Kennedy's fit on the team,
so we wanted to give her the best opportunity as
a free agent end quote. Carter led the Sky in
scoring this past season, averaging seventeen and a half points

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per game. Drafted fourth overall by the Dream in twenty twenty,
she earned a spot on the twenty twenty All Rookie team,
but she was suspended in her second season with the
Dream for quote conduct detrimental to the team. She was
then traded to Los Angeles Sparks. She played there in
twenty twenty two, was waived in twenty twenty three, and
joined the Sky on a training camp contract in February
of twenty twenty four. She's now free to explore her

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options around the league and the window to sign a
new contract opens on February first. We were just talking
in yesterday's show about Carter going off overseas. Obviously a
ton of talent, there can't she pair that with the
attitude and the behavior to stick on a team for
a long time That is yet to be seen. More
hoops news. A belated congratulations to Las Vegas Aces guard
Kelsey Plumb, whose number ten jersey was retired at the

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University of Washington over the weekend. She's the school's first
women's basketball player to have her jersey retired and the
sixth Husky all time. The ceremony took place in front
of a historic sellout crowd at Alaska Airlines Arena, who
got to both celebrate Plum and watch u dub knockoff
Perdue eighty seven to fifty eight. Plum's outstanding career at
Washington included setting the program single season scoring record as

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a freshman and then breaking that record in each of
the next three seasons. She surpassed Jackie Styles's career scoring
record with a fifty seven point performance against Utah her
senior year, an effort that still stands as the UW
single game points record. Plumb finished her career at Washington
with three thoy five hundred and twenty seven total points,
scoring eleven hundred and nine in her senior season. Both

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those marks were NCAA records until Kitlin Clark broke them
in the twenty twenty three to twenty four season. Plum
was drafted first overall by the Aces in twenty seventeen.
She's won two WNBA championships with them, as well as
two Olympic gold medals with Team USA. Congrats to a
dog in pro Vibes News. League one Volleyball hits the
court tonight with Love Houston facing Love Salt Lake at

(06:10):
Brewin Arena in Utah, starting at nine pm Eastern. You
can stream that one for free on love dot Com
by creating an account. We'll throw the link in our
show notes. In College Hoops News, there's a top twenty
five matchup tonight between number twenty three Minnesota and number
twenty four Michigan. They tip off at eight pm Eastern
on Big ten Plus. There are five other ranked teams
in action tonight too. We'll link to the full college

(06:31):
basketball schedule in our show notes. To hockey, we've got
some PWHL action tonight it's the Toronto Scepters at the
Boston Fleet, a seven pm Eastern puck drop in Lowell, mass.
This one's a battle of the bottom, as the two
teams sitting in fifth and sixth in the sixth team
league duel it out. You can catch that streaming on
the league's YouTube channel and at the PWHL dot com.

(06:52):
Some more PWHL news, the league and play Hockey have
announced a multi year partnership, coming together to launch a
new girls hockey tournament called the EWHL Breakthrough Cup. It'll
take place April fourth through sixth this year in Blaine, Minnesota,
and include teams of all ages and skill levels. The
PWHL and play Hockey will also hold a series of
events aimed at fan development and aimed at growing girls

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youth hockey, building on the league's existing efforts. We'll link
to the full release about the partnership in our show notes. Finally,
in tennis, Spain's Paula Bodoso will face Arena Sablenka in
the semi finals with the Australian Open. After Bodosa knocked
off American star Coco Goff in straight sets. Goff made
it one round further than she did in the last
two Grand Slams, but she had even higher expectations for

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this tournament, having put up a twenty two to two
records since the US Open. We got to take a
quick break. When we come back, We're going full throttle
with Catherine Legg. Stay tuned joining us now. She's a

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trailblazing British racing driver, renowned for breaking boundaries and setting
records in motorsports. The fastest female qualifier in the history
of the Indy five hundred, the first woman to win
a major open wheel race in North America, and the
first woman inducted into the Long Beach Motorsports Walk of Fame.
Her career spans various racing disciplines including indiecars, sports cars, NASCAR,
and international endurance racing. Her new podcast, Throttle Therapy with

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Catherine Legg, will bring you inside stories with legends of
auto racing and new faces from the next generation, plus
conversations with the people who have supported her throughout her career.
She's been in America for years, but she still loves
her tea and biscuits. It's Katherine Legg. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Katherine, thanks for having me on. I actually have a
cup of tea as we speak.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Not surprising you. You can't leave it behind. Did you
take offense during ted Lasso when he had a variety
of different derogatory terms for tea?

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Now, I thought it was quite amusing.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Actually, honestly, I started watching ted Lassa and I was like,
this is rubbish, Like I am not watching, this is awful.
And then by the end of the first episode, I
was like, this is the best show ever.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yep. I saw the previous and I was like, what
is this And then I was like, okay, I'm in.
I even have a mug that says hot brown water
from ted Lasso. So I want to start with how
your love of racing began. Take us back to Surrey,
take us back to England, wherever the need for speed
first hit you.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Oh, craky, that's a long time ago now unfortunately giving
away my age. So I started racing go karts back
in England. As you can tell, I'm not from Alabama,
probably by the accent, and it was really just a
hobby that my dad and I had. So when I
was a kid, I have a sister and she was

(09:30):
very close to my mom, and I was really close
to my dad and I still am to this day,
and so I wanted to be like daddy's little girl
and do everything that he did. So if he drank
tea and he liked tea, I liked tea right. And
so we went on a family holiday vacation to Spain
and my dad and my uncle had to go on

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the go karts there and I was too small short
whatever it is, you know, like you have to match
up to that height thing like to go on the ride.
So this was the same thing with the gokuts. So
I was too short and I was a bit stroppy
about that. And we got back to England and my
dad saw an advert in our local paper for our
local go cut place, and so he thought he'd bring

(10:12):
me along. And he was actually the first one to
get a cart, but I would tag along and pretend
to be his little nine year old mechanic, and in
the end I nagged him so much that he bought
me a cart for Christmas that year when I was nine,
and literally we did like three races together and then
he was like, okay, she's already faster than me.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Wow, So okay, so I'm thinking local go carts like
I used to do as a kid where you just
pay and you get X amount of time and you
go out there with your friends and you mess around.
But he bought you a cart that allowed you to
enter like local little races. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
So in England, and I think for most of Europe actually,
there's like two types of go kart racing. There's the
type of go curt racing that you're talking about, where
you turn up at like Andretti's speed Sport and you
go and buy ten minutes and raise all the other
little kids, or if you like me, you turn up
and try and work before with them. And they said, anyway,

(11:07):
but there's two kinds. There was like to bring your
own cart kind and then there was like the indoor kind,
so we went to the outdoor kind, which we want
to bring your own cart kind.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Cool. So it sounds like your dad was supportive of
your instant love of this. Did you get in general
support for your interest in your pursuit of racing or
was there some discouragement along the way.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
I would say both.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Great question, because even within my own family both to
a certain extent, like my mom still to this day
hates my racing.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Right, It's not that she doesn't support it.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
She just hates it.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
She gets nervous. She says, yeah, it's dirty.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's dangerous, it's smelly, it's noisy, Like, why on earth
would you want to do it?

Speaker 3 (11:50):
She just doesn't get it on any level. Right, So,
and also I was there was one other girl.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
So I remember nine year old Catherine looking at this girl.
I remember her name, her name is Whez, and she
was racing. I was like, oh, my goodness, I want
to be like her. She's awesome. You know, I really
do think there's something behind there. You have to see
it to believe it, because if I've just in all
the little boys don't it, I don't think I would
have thought that it was even accessible to me, you know.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Oh, completely agree. I mean I look around at the
landscape now for girls and women in sports, and I
think about just how much bigger I would have dreamed,
how many things I would have tried instead of just
being like, oh, well, they don't offer it for girls,
so I guess I'm just not meant to do it,
which is not my personality at all. So it wasn't
an intentional like oh I'm let down by that. It
just didn't occur to me. I was like, oh, I

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guess we don't do that then, and now I look
around and I'm like, man, the possibilities are endless. So
my producers have put in a follow up that you know,
we have a rule here called no dumb questions, and
this could be done. But just take let us sound easy.
If it is BRIT's drive on the opposite side of
the road for the US, so the do the laps
go clockwise instead of counterclockwise and your races out there?

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Okay, I need to know who asked that question.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Their names are Alex and Misha.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Got it, got it right, Alex Amisha, I think you
failed the quest. Definitely, definitely a random question. No, we
all drive the same way. Actually it's not. It's not
a dumb question because there are many different kinds of
cars that we race, so we race are running through

(13:27):
all them. There's like Open Wheel, which is Formula one,
and IndyCar type races which are predominantly on street, street
and road courses, but we do some ovals like the
Indy five hundred. Obviously you've got stock cars, which you
guys would know as NASCAR, and anything that drives on
either dirt or pavement in circles predominantly, but do some

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road and street courses, so kind of flip flop with
that one.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
And they are the.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Cars that you see, like the Chevies and stuff that
you see in the NASCAR races that you can relate
to what their body shape looks like on the road.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
And then the.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Category if you like a sports car racing and sports
car racing comprises of GT cars, which is like the
fancy cars you see on the road, you know, Ferrari's Porsches, Mercedus,
that kind of thing. And also prototypes, which are kind
of like open wheel cars but bigger and what manufacturers
use to test parts and bits and pieces to make

(14:25):
the road cars better. And they're called the prototype cars.
So the GT cars and the prototype cars and everything,
they actually no matter where you are in the world,
they have the I think all but one manufacturer of
those has the driver's seat in the left side, which
is the same as the American side, because I think
that's where they do. I think most of the world

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drives on that side. I think we and maybe Australia
are the only anomalies.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Ireland, Ireland, yeah, Ireland, New Zealand, Yeah, yeah, Ireland does too.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, that's right, because that's not part of us anymore
apart from on the maland yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Okay, So I've never thought about this before. I'm not
a huge racing person, but open wheel is like you
can kind of understand it because literally, the wheels are
like if you look at the car, they're sitting outside
of the car kind of, whereas like a NASCAR car
looks more like a normal car and it's sitting in
like in the base of the car, the main structure
with the Okay, I've never really put those two together

(15:21):
when I've heard about open wheel racing. Okay, you've done
pretty much all of it. Have you ever thought about
I want to focus on one type of racing and
give all your attention and efforts into that discipline.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, that's what I did for the most of my career. Actually,
I wanted to be a Formula One driver ever since
I was nine years old.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Again, going back to the first point, which I feel
very much the same as you, like, it wasn't that
I consciously thought that anything was closed off. I just
didn't see it as an opportunity. So it wasn't it
just wasn't there. So even though I wanted to be
an F one driver, I never really thought I'm gonna
try and be an F one driver because I can
see it because there was no females and Formula one.

(16:00):
There weren't no girls in it, and so it just
wasn't really an option. So I just kind of kept
plotting in that direction, and I wanted to do that.
I came over here because in two thousand and five
to get the first opportunity that I really had, because
I'm not from a wealthy family. Until race cars, you
need money, and that's either in the form of sponsors,

(16:21):
or you get backed by a manufacturer, or you have
wealthy parents. Most people have wealthy parents that do racing, right.
I mean, if you trying to get to Formula one
these days, and you're going through the lower formula and you're.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Making your way up the ladder we call it.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
You start off in the smaller, underpowered cars and you
learn how to drive those, and then you get a
bit more power and a bit more grip and you
work your way out and to get if you won
every series on the way to Formula One, it would
still cost you probably twenty million dollars.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, so it's kind of cost prohibitive.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, well, it's kind of like it's like on par
with Hollywood for like Nepo babies. That's how you know
all the names in racing because it's somebody's sons and
then somebody's son's son son son. Okay, wait, let's talk
about that. So you start out with the with the
go karts, and you get this love of racing at
age nine, and even though you don't really see a
model of what you could be, you just keep at

(17:16):
it because it's something that you love doing and it's
something that you're passionate about. What were you racing when
you made that move to two thousand and four, because
we'll talk about that story of walking into an office
and literally like cold pitching someone on believing in you.
But what had you done up until that point when
you decided to make the move to the US.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
So I was fortunate enough that my dad could have
fund me through go karts, right, So he actually gave
up smoking. So he was smoking like two or three
packets a day, and he thought, Okay, if I give
up smoking, that's enough money to buy Catherine and you say,
have tires on a weekend win win. How cool is that? Yeah,
so that's lovely. So he got me through go karts

(17:56):
and then I won a scholarship. I took quite in
a competition and I the fastest, and I want a
scholarship to do like some Formula Forward, which is entry
level car racing, and I wanted more. And I spent
literally every evening because I was working during the day,
I spent every evening writing sponsorship proposals and sending them

(18:16):
out via email and snail mail and like printing off
my racing CV or resume.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
And this is early twenties.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Early twenties, Yeah, early twenties, out of go karts, trying
to be a race car driver. And then you can,
even though you've got a Formula one dream, like that's
the tippy top of the mountain, right, there are other
races that you can do. Even in Europe. We don't
have NASCAR and stock cars in Europe. We have Formula
one and we have sports cars. Stock cars is a

(18:47):
very American thing, so that wasn't really part of my
thinking back then, but sports cars was. And in sportscar
racing there are a lot more drivers because you have
a team of up to four drivers in one car
and you switch out because you're doing like the twenty
four Hours of lamon on Daytona twenty four And I thought, okay,
if I aim for the Stars and I aim for

(19:07):
Formula One and I come short, then I'll end up
in sports cars and I'll make a.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Career doing that.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
But I was always a big proponent of get comfortable
being uncomfortable, and so as you alluded to, I did
go and sit in an office. So Kevin Calcoven his
name was, and he is the reason I am talking
to you today.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
He was the owner and chief of the IndyCar series.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Let's call it the IndyCar Series because back then it
was actually called Champcar, but I'm going to confuse the situation,
so we'll call it in. And he was over in
England and he was buying Cosworth from Ford.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Carsworth is another major car.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Kind of sorta nearly good guess, good guess.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
It is like the Performance brand or was the Formance
brown Okay, so you know how like Toyota has Alexus
and Honda has HPD and et cetera, et cetera, so
Couswork has the Ford Performance brand. So he was buying
that off of Ford because they make engines and they
do like boat stuff and a whole bunch of stuff.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
That I don't really understand.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
And I wanted the opportunity to come a race in
America because I'd seen one of my peers do the
same thing and make a success, and I thought, America
is the land of opportunity, and it's going to be
like way better for women to get along in a
male dominated sport, which is actually true. And so I

(20:41):
turned up. I borrowed a suit, like, not a racing suit,
like a business suit. I never never wore a business
suit before, CV in hand, resume in hand, and I
drove my little Voux Hall Novo, which none of you
will know what that is, but it's a tiny little
hatchback that does about twelve miles an hour.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
And I turned up at the.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Office and this guy's a multi billionaire, right and he's
sold and run multiple successful businesses. And I'm like, yeah,
I'm just going to go home and turn up and
see him. So I go to reception and she's like,
are you crazy? What's going on now? You can't see Kevin.
He's in the middle of doing a big multimillion dollar
deal to buy cousewere but his girlfriend at the time

(21:23):
and then wife after that, and his daughter were there
and they saw me and they were like, who is
this crazy English lady who's sat in the reception And
they came and spoke to me and said, Okay, Kevin,
I think she's got something special. You should speak to her.
And so I explained who I was. I like sweating,
rite nervous, and I explained to him who I was

(21:45):
and what I wanted to do and why I wanted
to be in his series and championships so badly and
how I would do him proud on all of this.
And it was honestly the most nerve wracking experience of
my life. I'm getting sweaty just thinking about it. And
I left. I call my dad because back in those
days you could use your mobile phone in the car
when you were driving.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
And I called him and I was crying and they
he didn't like me. This is so bad.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
But literally four days later, Kirsty and Kim is girl
power right, they had my back and they said that
he should give me a test. So I got a
call four days later from a team saying, hey, can
you fly to Phoenix because we want to test you.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
And you said, no, I don't have any money.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
I said, Daddy, can I borrow some money? Any like
four hundred pounds? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
So I did the testing in Phoenix and the team
gave me a glowing report back to Kevin, and Kevin said, okay,
young lady, and here's typical way of doing things. He said,
we'll give you the first six races of the championship.
And this championship was like one level down from IndyCar, right,
so it's one step to IndyCar. I'd never driven anything
that big and powerful before. I'd never done a full

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season of racing anything car wise before, so it.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Was a big deal.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
And I turn up I've never driven on a street
course before and Long Beach, California. So I go out
and qualifying for my first ever race, I stick it
in the wall and crashed into the wall. Not badly
but they could repair the car, but bad enough that
I finished like last and I had to start the
race from there. And then I made my way through

(23:17):
the entire field and like everybody saw what they were
doing and was like they were crowding the track and
they were all looking at it and I was going
like making up spots and I actually won the race
it and it got California's biggest sporting moment or something
that year in two thousand and five, that was how

(23:38):
long ago it was. But that's kind of what put
my career on the map.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Beginner's luck. You think, were you not overthinking it because
it was your first time you'd never done it?

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Honestly, I think it was because I thought it would
be easier in America than it was in Europe. And
I just came over and I was so arrogant and
confident and I was like, Yeah, I'm going to kick
everybody's butt that I didn't think think that the alternative
was a plausibility.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, and then you got used to it and you
were like, oh it's hard over here, it's hard. Yeah,
that'll happen. Okay. So you start your career in this
incredible way, which reminds me of a story from this amazing,
super successful executive, Sarah rob o'hagen that I interviewed years ago,
and she wanted so badly to work for Virgin that
she went on a networking cruise and stalked a Virgin

(24:25):
executive and literally would not stop bugging him until she
got a job. Flew all the way from New Zealand
to New York, and the day she arrived, they had
let go of the executive who hired her, and no
one there even knew she'd been hired. So she shows
up for her first day in a new country and
they don't have a record that she's supposed to be
working there. She put together this giant plan, put it
under the door of the exec and said, like, this

(24:45):
is why you should keep me around, even though you
didn't even know I was hired. When I hear those stories,
when I hear your story of walking into the office
and demanding a chance, I just think about how often
we let the fear of failure get in the way
of even trying, and like, just what's the worst that
can happen? I could have said, I don't know who
you are, I'm not meeting with you. Okay, you try
something else, But instead you get this opportunity to make
the most of it. So cool, Okay, I want to

(25:07):
fast forward a while because last year you actually raised
the NDY five hundred with ELF as your main sponsor,
and a couple months ago we talked to ELF CMO
Corey Marchisoto about that event and how wild people went
for the ELF activation. Women so used to not being
catered to, not being served at these events, and I
imagine you get a lot of girls and women reaching
out to you, not just for advice, but just wanting

(25:29):
to talk shop. How do you handle the joy of
that and also the pressure of that sort of responsibility.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Oh gosh, that's such a multifaceted answer, Like the ELF
partnership has been so wonderful on so many different levels.
And then it open I opened my eyes to something
that I didn't even know existed, right, because I went
through my entire career going I'm not any different to
the boys. I just want to be taken seriously, like,

(25:55):
just treat me as another race card driver. And then
this big splashy partnership and activation that they did at
Indy showcased how much we were not.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Being catered to.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Like there it's a growing demographic in racing. I mean,
there are women running countries and companies and everything now right, Like,
I don't know they're allowed in the pit lane now.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
They didn't.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
They weren't twenty years ago. And I guess I had
been so in it, like deep buried in it that
I hadn't seen it from the bigger picture, and Elf did.
And so when they went there, all of these women,
I just started noticing how many women there were there,

(26:39):
and how they now had somebody that they could cheer
for with a product that was being on the car
and advertised to them in a way that they could
relate to, you know, like most women wear some kind
of makeup in some way, shape or form, or do
skincare or something, and we made the car pink. And
I was like, oh, that might be a little bit
too cliche, but it wasn't because they all the kids

(27:01):
they were like the pink car, and it was just
it was like this girl power movement and it was magical. Honestly,
it was like the whole place loved it. But then
because the women loved it, the men loved it, and
because the women wanted to be there and they were
interested in racing and they were interested how the pink
car and the ELF car did. The guys loved that

(27:23):
they were allowed to have this passion and they could
share it with their daughters or their wives or whoever
it was. And so it opened everybody's eyes. I mean
this series. The manufacturers ELF was shocked by it. I
was shot by like literally everybody it was this. It
was an enormous deal. It's won a lot of awards
actually since, and I know they're very forward thinking, progressive company,

(27:45):
and they've done lots of cool things, but I think
this definitely has to be amongst the coolest.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah, there's so much in what you just said, thinking
about having worked in sports for the last like twenty
years and pushing so much for women's sports to be
a part of everyday conversation. The change from what it
used to be, which was we're just one of the guys,
We're the same, just let us in now saying like
we can lean into the differences with intention and understand
the power in that. You've talked about not wanting to

(28:12):
emphasize your gender in the past, but you feel differently now.
What changed for you about being able to say I
can succeed in a male dominated space and not have
to erase my gender, but instead can lean in and
talk about it.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
I think that times are changing as well, which is important.
So twenty years ago, when I was breaking into racing,
I wanted to not stand out right it was still
very much a gimmick and a novelty, and people were like, oh,
what if she crashes and she hurts herself, And so
it was just inaccessible to women. And there were a
few of us that broke through it, you know, Dianikha

(28:50):
and I and a couple of others, but we were
very much trying to be taken seriously for our driving,
not for what you know, for standing out and being different.
But now I think it's seen as okay to be feminine.
I mean as a woman in racing, and as a

(29:10):
woman in probably more than just racing, probably all sports,
although I can't speak to that.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
You'll be better better often in that.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
I think you walk a tightrope because you want to
be seen as feminine and attractive because you're a woman,
and what woman doesn't. But you also want to be
taken seriously and thought of as a badass, and these
days you can be both. Back back then, I think
you had to pick your poison right well.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
And I remember with Danika there was so much talking
out of both sides of mouths about how you get
a spot, get a sponsor, get an opportunity, and it's like, well,
if your dad's dad's dad has been in it. We
don't care. But if you got it because you're a woman,
and the brand knows you're going to bring a lot
of attention and interest and coverage to it, then that's bad, right.
There were such double standards understanding that in racing, you

(29:59):
do you need people to take a chance on you.
You do need better factors and sponsors and teams, and
so the idea of like, well, I don't want to
make it about being a woman, while also simultaneously understanding
that there are barriers to women participating and that's part
of your story is really difficult. Can you tell us
what you think are some of the biggest things that
get in the way of more women getting into racing sports.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I think that it happens when they're young. I think
you have to start racing when you're young and you've
still got sticky brain, and you know, when you do
sports when you're young, you just figure it out right.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
And you like are fearless about how many bones you
could be breaking and all the things that could go wrong.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yes, one per one hundred percent failss.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
I think that if you learn as an adult, it
would be very much more difficult, and I think you
wouldn't have that, I don't know, subconscious skill set. You'd
have to think about it more consciously. So I think
it happens in the teenage years, and I think it
happens like with Goka. So now there's a lot more

(30:59):
girls who want to go go carting and they want
to make their way up the ladder. But if you
think of it as a pyramid, and there are literally
hundreds of thousands of guys across the world who want
to make it to the pinnacle of this pyramid, being
NASCAR Cup or a Formula one or Indica, right, pretty
much there is probably only like ten thousand women. So

(31:19):
the chances of one of those making it out of
you know, the hundreds of thousands of guys wanting to
do it, is a lot slimmer.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
But there are more doing it now.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
The problem is they get to fourteen, fifteen, sixteen seventeen,
and they're racing against the guys and you're bullied and
made fun of and you're made to feel like an outcast,
and to be honest, like these days it's easier, but
back in those days it was more the adults. It
was more the parents that were like you got beaten

(31:50):
by a girl, like it was slanderous, like you were
a failure as a son. And so now I don't
think there is that, but it's still it's that you
start to realize that gender is a different around that age,
and you start to see boys like ooh, I fancy.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Him or I want to date him, and then there's.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Like this whole confusion, and so a lot of women
drop out at that age because of all of those things.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, and I think I will admit that there were
times in my career when I was the only woman
in the room and I would have advocated for more women,
But there was also a part of me that was like, oh,
I'm special, I'm the one who made it right, because
that's what they teach us. There's only room for one
at the table, and if you're the one, then you're
special and maybe you're just better, instead of realizing that

(32:40):
that's actually a tool of the patriarchy to keep women
and minority folks down, is to make it feel like
there's only enough space for one or two and that
you're the special one and really discourage you from reaching
a hand down and encouraging others to come up with you.
That's changing a lot of late. But I wonder if
you look back honestly, at any point in your career,
did you feel special in the sense of like, oh,

(33:03):
this scarcity makes me stand out? Because I do think
when you talk about the only woman or the first
woman a lot, it's both a positive in that you've
opened a door, but it also sort of celebrates scarcity
in a way that might discourage other women because they hear, oh,
there's only been one.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Oh that's not for me, then one hundred percent, And
I think that's more a marketing and a.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Pr thing than a me thing.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
And actually, the more I've matured, the more I've come
around to your way of thinking, Whereas I was very
much similar when I was younger, because I experienced it
like when I came back to Europe to race for
a couple of years because the IndyCar series merged together
and one had Danika and one had me, and like
it was literal that they only wanted one of us,

(33:51):
like there was only room for one woman. So subconsciously
that just reinforces all the beliefs that you were just
talking about.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
But now I realized, no, I don't know a decade ago.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
I guess it probably was that that was happening when
we started the FIA Women in Motorspot Commission, and the
FIA is the sport's governing body, so we were trying
to get more women involved, and there was this mentality
of I want to be the best woman amongst all
of the females. And there was like maybe twenty of
them across the world trying to make it as race
car drivers in relatively different levels, and they all wanted

(34:27):
to be the best girl. They wanted to be the
standout girl. And I was banging the drum about no,
you've got so many more people that you need to beat.
You need to beat all the boys as well, Like
it doesn't matter if you're the best woman. Who cares
if you're the best woman because there's so few of us.
That doesn't actually put you anywhere in the whole skin
of things. Like, let's band together, and which is why

(34:48):
I put an all female team together, because I wanted
to showcase the female talent, because we're stronger when we're together.
And by the way, there's not many people who have
had our life experiences, so we can all relate to
each other, hell each other to grow, but there still is,
especially amongst the younger ones. But I think that spread
into them by the people they surround themselves with. That's
all I can imagine.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, sometimes with sports like racing where women can and
do compete against men, we're not sure if we should
put it in our women's sports conversation, but it's not
really necessary for there to be a separate women's division either.
Do you think that lack of separation has resulted in
more or less women being included? Do you think if
there was an opportunity for just women's races, more girls

(35:31):
and women would give it a try?

Speaker 2 (35:33):
There is now actually, Sarah, there's the F one Academy, which.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
I've seen that, but didn't it lose funding like right
when it started?

Speaker 2 (35:41):
So the W Series it was called before Formula One,
kind of took on the same concept and made it
their own. Yes, it failed because nobody wanted to sponsor
it for some reason, and I.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Don't know why.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
But here's the thing, like, I don't know how I
feel about that, and I'm so torn a knife flip flop,
because yes, it gave women that wouldn't necessarily have had
the opportunity. It gave them the opportunity and open doors
and gave them a showcase if you like. But also,
we don't need to be segregated in racing. It's not
outright strength. There is absolutely no reason we cannot compete

(36:14):
with the men. And you know, Linse and James and
Janet Guthrie and Danika and I we've all proven that
we work hard enough in the gym that we can
be strong enough to drive these race cars and we
don't need to be segregated.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
So the fact that they are segregating us is actually.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Keeping the level lower because they're not racing against the
best of the best, so they're not becoming the best
that they can be. And so it's kind of it's
another way that I think is weirdly keeping women down.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, it's like maybe a little bit of both. You know,
it stays open category, but there are opportunities, especially in
the lower levels, for women to race alone, to feel
more comfortable, to feel more supported, to feel like maybe
they aren't going to get that bs from parents or
adults about competing against boys. We have to take a
quick break. We'll be right back. You know, I listened

(37:13):
to an interview. Did you said that racing has been
your life twenty four to seven since the age of nine.
You do everything all in, no half ass. Everything is
about pushing yourself. Everything is about squeezing out every bit
of your potential. And I find in life sometimes the
qualities that make us great at our job can lead
to issues in the rest of life, lack of balance,
struggles in personal or family life, difficulty accepting loss or disappointment.

(37:37):
If we're extremely competitive and then we try to bring
that to other spaces. Sometimes it's not great in life
that I could talk forever and ever, and I have
opinions on everything. It's good for my job, maybe not
for everybody that wants to hang out. Do you find
that some of the things that make you great at
racing make the rest of your life tough?

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Absolutely, We're getting all deep and meaningful now, yeah, but yes.
So one thing is everybody says you make sacrifices, right,
I don't necessarily see it as sacrifices because I've never
thought of giving up anything for racing, because racing is
my identity. And that's scary, Like if you actually think

(38:17):
about it, racing should be something that you do, not
who you are, but it's something that's kind of taken
over my life and it is who I am. And yes,
it's been to the detriment of relationships. You know, they're
hard to maintain when you're going around like you're going
away every other week, you're going away with a bunch

(38:39):
of men, so there's jealousies that come into play.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
There's also you.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Know, I have to be a boss in every aspect
of my work and take charge and it's really difficult
to let go of being alpha when you're at home
as well, so it's hard to I'm probably hard to
deal with.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
My mom doesn't get my life either, as we mentioned before,
but my dad does, so like it's had benefits well
us closer probably and my mom and I further away.
But yeah, relationships, I've got a lot of really great
relationships in racing though, Like my friends are all to
do with racing pretty much. But I would say that

(39:23):
my life is very insular and it's very much like
a traveling circus because I don't necessarily have a life
outside of racing, which is a very strange concept for
people to get the head around. But what's really really
scary is what do I do after racing.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yeah, I was gonna say, it's good to know that
about yourself already. You don't necessarily have to have an
answer or a solution, but to be aware of it
now and start thinking about what it looks like when
racing isn't. You could still be an owner or a
you know, work in the space without still racing yourself.
But what other aspects of life and who you are

(40:00):
do you want to explore when you have the time
for it. I'll just tell you personally, it was really
meaningful to me the old podcast that I used to host,
where I just had everybody from every walk of life
and industry that I was fascinated and interested in, and
talking to people who had major life disruptions, whether they
had a massive injury or illness, whether they were fired
from a job that they loved, some massive thing. And

(40:21):
I remember when I would talk to them and hear
the way they dealt with that, I would think, how
would I deal with something like that? And I realized, terribly,
terribly would have been the answer to a disruption of
the life that I had created and loved. And then
when I went from full time to part time at ESPN,
somewhere I had worked for thirteen years and thought I
would never leave. It was such a blow to my
identity because my identity was Sarah Spain from ESPN. And

(40:43):
I think it's useful to start doing that exercise with
yourself now of what would it look like if this
wasn't my every day, What would I want to do?
How I would I spend my time? Just you know,
so that whenever things change, you're already in a mindset
of like you'll be able to deal with it and
find the positive spin on it. That's my advice from

(41:03):
someone who got smacked up the side of the head
without warning.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
I will absolutely do that.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
I want to do a speed round quickly. I have
so many other questions for you, but we're running out
of time. So favorite race ever, Long Beach, Crum Prix, Awesome,
favorite car you got to race.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Champ called the Indy Car back in the day when
it was big and burlliant, loads of power.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Dream car you'd want to have, just to like tool around.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Town pushed heabm hmm.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Race you'd most like to compete in.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Them all twenty four or BATHFST twelve hours.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
The racer you most look up to, current or anytime, anytime,
and Senna the goal you've set and have yet to reach,
win the Indy five hundred mm hmm. How often is
a race decided by the car and at the driver.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
All the time?

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Let me tell you, the guys at the back are
working way harder than the guys at the front because
the car is so much better. So I would say
that that is a really good question because it's a
common misconception that the drivers at the back are the
worst drivers.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
That is absolutely not the case.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, but I wonder how you deal with that, Like
you're participating in a sport that not only could be
so unpredictable because another driver's error could take you out,
but also I know in the twenty twenty three and
five hundred your race ended due to engine failure. That
has nothing to do with.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
You, right right, the car wasn't capable of running up
front either, so it was almost like it was inevitable
that we were going to have a bad day. That's
a bad way of looking at it, but it kind
of was. So you always want to prove yourself. You
have to prove yourself in the in the bad equipment

(42:50):
bad But like the second lassid so that you can
then move up and you can interesting.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, gosh, that's it's like having a teammate that lets
you kind of but all the blame goes to you. Oh,
I couldn't do it, Like I always say, I could
never play the sports where I'm only on the field
for like offense and then the defense takes over because
I'd be like, ah, you're sucking it up. Let me
get out there. Like I just way too much control
issues for that.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
So when we do Daytona twenty four hours and this
sports car racist that we do endurance racing in, we
have teammates, right, and it is exactly the same.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
And I am exactly the same as you. I'm a
control freak.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
And when somebody else is in the car, I'm on
the radio go why are they doing that?

Speaker 3 (43:30):
What are they doing it? Tell them this?

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Do that. I don't know how you do it. Do
you have to do therapy or exercises to process how
to look at your performance independent of whether the equipment
or your pit crew or something else happened that made
the race go wrong.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
No, And I think therapy is a relatively new concept
in sports, Like back in the day when I was
learning it, was kind of like, suck it up and
get on with that, right, and now they're is. Sports
psychologist are very helpful and I have seen one a
few times in the past and it helped an enormous amount.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Gloria was her name, and she was amazing.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
And I think you learn ways of doing it yourself
that you can then carry on a bit like physical training,
like we have to physically train really hard, and so
you learn after a while what works for you and
what doesn't work for you.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
And it's the same with mental training.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
I imagine the same goes for getting back in a
car after a crash. You had a really terrible crash
at the two thousand and six Champ Car Race at
Road America. What does that feel like? Does it slow down?
Does it speed up? Are you processing it? Are you
blacking out like in that moment? What's it like?

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Terrifying? I've had a few. I think I'm like a
cat with nine lives, and I think I've used that
most of them. But what happened in that particular crash
was the rear wing. So on an open wheel car,
they've got a lot of downforce, and so you know
what makes an aeroplane take off, there's like the uplift
from the wings. Well we have the same but the

(45:01):
opposite way around. So it's pushing us into the TIREMAC
pushing the tire into the track surface, and those things
generate over one thousand pounds of pressure on the tire,
so you can imagine how much weight is on there.
So mine broke and I picked up an enormous amount
of speed because you don't have all that drag and
that downfall gravity right exactly, And so I.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Just remember thinking, what the what the what?

Speaker 2 (45:28):
But by the time I thought that, I was one
hundred miles an hour into the wall and I was
climbing a fence and I remember kept my eyes open.
It was the first big crash I ever had, and
I remember seeing the engine flying around and I was like, oh,
that's good because fire and fire is terrifying in a
race car.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
That is the biggest thing.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
I think you can get your head around breaking bones,
but for me, I don't. I would assume that it's
the same for everybody, but I don't really know that.
I think the thought of fire and the thought of
Bernie is.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
At its terrible or I think it's universal.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Yeah, yeah, So I saw that happen, I'm like, oh, nippie.
But then I started to roll and I started to
hit my head on the ground because in those times
they didn't have the halo and all the safety equipment,
and I thought, this is it.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
This how ends.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
I'm going to break my neck. But I came to
rest upside down. I pushed a radio button, thinking that
that would still work. Of course it didn't. It was
probably two hundred yards up the track and I said,
tell my dad I'm okay, because my dad was there
and I wanted to, you know, I knew it was
horrific and I wanted him to think that it was okay.
But the safety crew were amazing. The cars were really strong,

(46:38):
and they were already as I was crashing, they were
on the track and they were getting to me, and
they took me to the med center, and in typical
brit style, I came out of the med center like
a bit banged up but fine, and I was like,
I'll be okay after a cup of tea.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Wow, did you have to go through a lot to
get back behind the wheel or was it just no?

Speaker 2 (46:56):
They put me back in a car four days later
to make sure that I still had I know, right,
But here's the thing. I think if it had been
my fault and I had caused it, I would have
thought about it very differently. But because it was just
this anomaly thing that broke, it was.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Your damn teammate again, letting you down, letting me down.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
But I had to come to Jesus with my dad
about it too, because my dad. I had never seen
my dad cry before and that was the first time.
And he said, Catherine, for fifteen minutes, I didn't know
whether you.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Were dead or alive. I was like, oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
So I said, listen, I'm doing what I love and
if anything bad happens to me, it's not because you
got me into racing. It's not anything because of you,
Like I love it and it's my fault and that
you dare blame yourself kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
So that was cool to clearly air.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Okay, last question for your biggest pet peeve with drivers
on the average American.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Road left hand lane doing the same speed or a
block and like move out of the left lane. The
left lane is for passing, like it should be a
system kind of ran here, like slower cars keep to
the right lane. And then if you get a little
bit faster in the middle lane, and then if you're
going faster than that going the fast lane, you should
not be just going in the fast lane and sitting

(48:05):
there and doing sixty five miles an hour and seven
to limit drives me absolutely potty.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, I mean, I completely agree, because also for me,
everything is a race, just like you, and so I
might get out of my way either you're going fast
or getting out of my way. Do you get a
lot of speeding tickets?

Speaker 2 (48:19):
I don't, luckily, because I have my eyes peeled all
the time, and obviously ESTHS has been limits. But it's
funny you mentioned that. So I'm gonna ask you a question.
So I do this in everyday life, Like I'm getting
on a plane, I'm like the most efficient way, the
fastest way to get there. It's the same going around
a grocery store, everything, and it impacts every aspect of

(48:41):
your life.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Do you do the same thing.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah, no, it's a serious problem.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
It is.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
I always say that my competitiveness served me so well
as an athlete and now just as a normal human.
It does nothing for me except for make me sort
of insufferable at times.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Right, and people don't get it, and then we get
annoyed with the people because they don't.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Get it, because I'm like, you're not being efficient right, Yeah,
I'm like, why don't you do this better? Here's the
perfect system I've laid out to how to do this
quickly and efficiently. Get out of my way on the sidewalk,
get out of my way on the road, get out
of my way at the store, do this the way
I said over here, and then it will be better. Yeah,
it's so much same, so lifelong process, Catherine, for everybody,
not for everybody, for us. Yeah, but how are.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
We going to get over that so we can have normal,
healthy relationships where we're not seeing everything as a competition.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
I don't know, you know what's helping. Just getting old
is slowing me down and making it harder for me
to try to do everything as quickly and efficiently. It
was so great to talk to you. We can't wait
to listen to more of your new podcast. Thanks so
much for taking some time to chat with us.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Thank you for having me on.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Thanks to Catherine for joining us. Could I talk for
a while longer? Really fascinating stuff. I learned a ton
We have to take another quick break when we return. Finally,
a FIFA decision we can get behind. Welcome back slices.
You know, we love that you're listening, but we want
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the Memorial Day double this year, racing in the Indy
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she's up to. And listen to Full Circle, a new
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They're giving you the inside scoop on what's happening in
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giving you day to day news around the women's hoops world,

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and talking about the culture at large. Plus, fans will
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rate and review. It's easy watch. FIFA is suspending Panama Football
Federation president Manuel Arius after he called national team player
Marta Cox fat and out of shape, rating five out
of five. Yeah, that's how a governing body should work.
Review this guy. What a great a douche. Here's how
things went down. Per the Athletic Cox was transparent with

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reporters about a perceived lack of facilities in Panama in
the wake of the country's twenty twenty four CONCACAF w
Goldcup group stage exit. Unhappy with Cox's remarks, Manuel Arius
told reporters of Cox quote, she's out of shape, she's fat,
she couldn't move on the pitch. It's very easy to talk,
but she doesn't know anything about the Panama League for years.
She doesn't know what's going on here. End quote. FIFA

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called the comments derogatory duh and sanctioned him. He's banned
from all football related activity for six months and was
fined ten nine hundred and thirty two bucks. After the
sanction came down, Arius called his own comments quote very
unfortunate language end quote, a very serious mistake. End quote.
I mean, yeah, you're damn right. We're so far past

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the days when bullying athletes was acceptable. And good on
Cocks for saying what needed to be said about their resources.
Clearly she struck a nerve. Now it's your turn, rate
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