August 4, 2025 • 53 mins
WNBA reporters and podcast hosts Myles Ehrlich and Owen Pence join Sarah to discuss what it’s really like to cover women’s sports for independent sites, their Brooklyn bromance, and dealing with fake news in the WNBA media landscape. Plus, the potential challenges of moving the object at the center of the solar system, the NWSL’s blockbuster return, and flying sex toys have an official spokesperson.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're sending
condolences to Lil Baby Page Beckers, who's now lost both
of her basketball moms to trades, first Melissa Smith to
the Aces, now Dja Carrington to the Links hang in
their rook. It's Monday, August fourth, and on today's show,
we'll be chatting with WNBA reporters and.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Podcast hosts Miles Erlick and Owen.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Pence about what it's really like to cover women's sports
for independent media sites, how they got started covering the
w the current state of women's hoops journalism and news
journalism is a side gig, and why they're the best
kind of Brooklyn stereotype. Plus the potential challenges of moving
the object at the center of the Solar System, the
NWSL's blockbuster return, and sex toy crime Watch. Still don't
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you guys, It's all coming up right after this Welcome
back slices. Happy Monday. Here's what you need to know today.
Let's start with the WNBA, where a lot happened this weekend.
On Saturday, the Boston Globe was the first to report
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that Celtics minority owner Steve Paliuca has agreed to buy
the Connecticut Sun from the Mohegan Tribe for three hundred
and twenty five million dollars, which would be a record
sale price for a women's pro team. In that initial
Globe report and stories that followed from the Associated Press
and ESPN, it was reported that Paliuca plans to relocate
the team to Boston ahead of the twenty twenty seven
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WNBA season. Now, remember, the Sun sold out both of
its games at Boston's TD Garden this summer and last.
But Boston fans might want to wait a little longer
before they start celebrating their new team, because after that
initial reporting on Saturday, the WNBA itself made a statement,
and the statement suggested that a Boston move isn't imminent.
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In that statement, the league said, quote, relocation decisions are
made by the WNBA Board of Governors and not by
individual teams.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
End quote.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
The league statement went on to say that the nine
cities that applied as part of the recent an expansion
bid process and weren't awarded teams quote, remain under consideration
based on the extensive work they did as part of
the expansion process and currently have priority over Boston end quote.
Then on Sunday, Sun President Jennifer Rizzotti confirmed that the
team does plan to remain in Connecticut through twenty twenty six,
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and said the sale by the Mohegan Tribe is quote
not quite at the finish line yet. Now it's worth
remembering back when the WNBA announced Cleveland, Detroit, and Philly
as expansion teams earlier this summer. The league also singled
out Houston as a city it was targeting for future expansion,
leaving a lot of folks wondering if the Houston Comets
could be reborn from the Connecticut Sun. Now, given that
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the WNBA Board of Governors has final approval of all
team sales and relocations, there are still a lot of
details to work out here, so we'll keep you posted
as we learn more. We do want to know what
Connecticut Sun fans are saying, so if we've got some
Connecticut Suns slices out there, we'd love to hear how
you're feeling about this news. Shoot us an email good
game at Wonder Media NETWORKEDE dot com, or leave us
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a voicemail at eight seven to two two oh four
fifty seventy more WNBA A big trade was announced on
Sunday with the Dallas Wings trading guard djn A. Carrington
to the Minnesota Links in exchange for diamond miller Carly
Samuelson and Minnesota's twenty twenty seven second round pick. To
complete the trade and get enough cap space for the
incoming players, the Wings wave Tierra McCown. Carrington is a
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big get for the top ranked Minnesota Links. The w's
most improved player last year and an All WNBA First
team defensive selection last year. She's appeared in twenty games
this season for the Wings and is averaging ten point
four points, a career high, five point one rebounds, one
point eight assists, and one point zero five steals in
just under twenty five minutes per game so far. Now,
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as we mentioned earlier, that means the Smith, Carrington Becker's
family is officially a broken family with pieces scattered across
the WNBA. If you haven't seen the charming montages of
page playing excitable Toddler to Djnay's patient parent, will link
to one of those in the show notes. Also worth noting,
the WNBA's trade deadline is this Thursday, so we could
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see a few more big moves as teams look to
lock in their rosters ahead of the final stretch more
w and a follow up to dildo Gate, which yes,
is now officially a gate. Following a second incident two
days after, a fan threw a Neon green dildo onto
the court in an Atlanta Dream game against the Golden
State Balkrace. Early last week, another VALKX game was interrupted
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by a flying sex toy, this time while on the
road against the Chicago Sky Indiana.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Fever Guard and w class clown.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Sidney Colson, friend of the show, responded as only she
would not only posting on X quote sorry, I did
not mean to throw that so far, y'all, but also
doing an interview in character as quote unquote flying Mean
Green with her unsupervised podcast co host Teresa Plaizon's take
a listen to a little bit of that.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
So, is this your first time in front of a
national audience? Like you got screen time on national television.
There was a zoom in, you got a full game
stoppage and zoom in, like you were the center of attention.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
How'd that make you feel? My phone blowing up? It's crazy.
I didn't think all this was going to happen.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
It's real being in our community for real to be
seen on TV, like, we don't have a lot of
like celebrities. Yes, even though I was perceived as something
negative to some, there are some that have seen me
in It's been encouragements to them. They're like, well, you know,
I want to be out in public too.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And there is even an Instagram account at flying Me
and Greens, so if you feel the need, go ahead and.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Follow him her them.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
A lot of players and fans were having fun with
the absurdity of these moments, but several players have also
now spoken up with safety concerns, like The Sky's Elizabeth Williams,
who called the behavior really immature.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
On Saturday, the.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
WNBA announced that the fan who threw the dildo at
the Atlanta Dream Game had been arrested, and any person
who throws an object onto the court will be ejected
from the arena and face a minimum one year ban. So, folks,
if you get the urgetill, don't.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
More w on the court.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It was a busy weekend that kicked off with a
trio of upsets on Friday, The Atlanta Dream beat the
Phoenix Mercury, the Los Angeles Sparks stayed Hot Top in
the storm in doubt, and the Connecticut Sun bested the
defending champion New York Liberty. Also on Friday, more records
for Paige Beckers despite another loss for the Wings. With
her twenty two points in the team's eighty eight seventy
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eight loss to the Indiana Fever, Beckers notched her twelfth
twenty point game of the season and increased her WNBA
record for double figure games to start a career to
twenty three. She continues to set the pace for rookies
present and pasted. In the wings previous game, Beckers overtook
WNBA legend Cynthia Cooper to become the fastest player with
at least four hundred points and one hundred assists, accomplishing
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that feat in just twenty two games.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
The excitement in the w continued on.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Saturday, with a couple records falling in the contest between
the Links and the Las Vegas Aces. Minnesota put an
absolute beat down on Las Vegas in this one, leaving
Sinn City with a WNBA record fifty three point road
win one hundred and eleven to fifty eight. Kayla McBride
led the way for the Links with twenty four points
on a perfect eight of eight from beyond the arc
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in the first half. That's a WNBA record if he's
a Collier scored eighteen points in the win, but she
left the game with less than a minute to play
in the third quarter with an ankle injury. Head coach
Cheryl Reeve defended Collier being in the game despite the
Links holding a forty three point lead when the injury occurred.
Said Reeve, quote, I didn't think the game was over.
I don't think like that. She had a sub. She
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was going to set out the fourth quarter. Sometimes these
things happen end quote. We'll keep you updated on that
Callier injury as news arrives. On Sunday, the Liberty snapped
their four game losing streak and avenged that Friday loss
to the Sun with an eighty seven seventy eight victory
over Connecticut behind thirty six points from Sabrini and Escu
and eleven points from Emma Mesiman in her Liberty debut.
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A former WNBA Finals MVP who last played in the
league in twenty twenty two before playing overseas, winning the
EuroLeague Women's MVP the last three seasons, Misiman was just
added to the Liberty roster last week to the NWSL,
where the league's returned to play started with a blockbuster trade.
On Friday, multiple outlets reported that Ali sent Nore had
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been traded from the last place Utah Royals to the
top ranked Kansas City Current The move was later confirmed
by both teams. Sent Nor, who was named the US
women's national team's Young Female Player of the Year in
twenty twenty four, was selected by the Royals with the
number one overall pick in last year's NWSL draft, the
final draft before the latest collective bargaining agreement abolished future
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drafts in the league now. Per Friend of the Show
Jeff Kasoof of ESPN, Utah received six hundred thousand dollars
in intra league transfer funds. That sets a new record
for an NWSL transfer, and the Royals could receive an
additional one hundred thousand dollars in conditional performance add ons.
In a post on Instagram, sent Noor said, quote, thank
you to the Royals for drafting this small town girl
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and giving me the opportunity to start a lifelong dream
of playing professional soccer.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
End quote. Sentnor was surprised at the.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Kansas City Airport by her BFF and new teammate Claire Hutton,
who made a welcome home Bestie sign to celebrate the occasion.
We'll link to the video of that cute airport reunion
in the show notes, and we'll have more on this
move and what it means for the top ranked Kansas
City Current later this week. Meantime on the pitch, an
emotional return for the Washington Spirits Trinity Rodman after nearly
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four months away dealing.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
With a back injury.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Rodman entered the Spirit's match against the Portland Thorns on
Sunday in the seventy sixth minute and scored the game
winner in stoppage time to lift the Spirit to a
two to one victory. It was clear in her postgame
interview with ABC just how much the moment meant to Rodman.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Yeah. I just think, holy hew, that was just the
hardest thing I've had.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
To go through.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
With injury.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
So being back being with.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
The especially at the home stadium with the crowd behind me,
scoring a goal like that, he saw it.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Buried it. He's not gonna miss it.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
So yeah, I'm just really happy to be back. I
missed the team, I miss doing what I love, So yeah,
I'm just joy.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Oh, we love to see it. One last piece of
soccer news. We got to give it up to the og.
Still got it. Queen of Clutch Marta, who announced her
retirement from international play after last year's Olympics, but changed
her mind and joined her team for the twenty twenty
five Copa America and in the tournament final on Saturday,
the thirty nine year old scored two goals off the
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bench to help Brazil defeat Columbia and take the title.
Marta entered in the eighty second minute, scored in the
sixth minute of stoppage time to even the game at
three all, then scored again in extra time to go
up four to three.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Brazil ultimately conceded a goal.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
The game went to penalties, and Brazil won the penalty
shootout five to four.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Long live, Queen Marta to the pool well.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
The World Aquatics Championships concluded on Sunday in Singapore, with
Team USA winning gold and breaking the world record. In
the women's four by one hundred meter medley relay. The
US quartet of Kate Douglas, Reagan Smith, Gretchen Walsh and
Tory Husk touched the wall in three minutes forty nine
point three four seconds, taking point two nine seconds off
the previous world record, which was set by Smith, Walsh
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and Husk along with Lilly King at last summer's Paris Olympics,
also in Singapore, in what many were calling the main event,
Katie Ledeci swam what might have been the best championship
race of her career on Saturday. Competing in the eight
hundred meter freestyle, Ladeki touched the wall in eighth five
sixty two, with Australian Lonnie Pallister claiming silver and Canadian
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Summer McIntosh winning bronze. McIntosh led the race with one
hundred meters left, but she baited and Ladeki pulled away
in the final fifty to win. With the win, Ladeki
became the first swimmer to win seven world titles in
the same event. Since winning Olympic gold in the distance
as a fifteen year old in twenty twelve, Ladecki has
never lost an eight hundred meter race at a major competition.
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While the Canadian penal McIntosh wasn't able to match Michael
Phelps's feet of five individual world titles at the same
World Championships, the eighteen year old still leave Singapore with
four World titles, making her the second woman to ever
win four individual golds at a single World Championships to
the World of Track and Field and the US Track
and Field National, Outdoor and Para Championships, which wrapped up
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over the weekend with competitors competing to earn spots at
this year's World Championships taking place in Tokyo in September.
You might remember from previous shows that decorated hurdler Sidney McLaughlin,
Lavroni was skipping the four hundred meter hurdles to focus
on the four hundred flat well. She won the event
her second US title in the four hundred open, improving
her record in the hurdle list one lap event to
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six and oh meantime, friend at the show, Massi Russell
captured the one hundred meter hurdles in a time of
twelve point two two seconds, and in the fifteen hundred
meter friend at the show, Nicki Hilts won their sixth
straight NOW National title, out kicking Sinclair Johnson down the stretch.
After the race, Hilts criticized World Athletics, Track and Field's
international governing body for its plans to introduce gene testing
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for female athletes ahead of September's World Championships, calling it
a quote unquote slippery slope. Will link to Hilts's full
comments in the show notes. This weekend's Track and Field
Championships marked the first time USATF hosted Para Nationals as
part of a combined competition, with para athletes also competing
for World Championship roster spots ahead of the twenty twenty
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five Para Athletics World Championships, which begin in September in
New Delhi, India. Highlights from the weekend's para competition include
twenty twenty four paralympian Annie Carey breaking her own world
record in the T forty four women's long jump, and
twenty two time Paralympic medalist Tatiana McFadden winning both the
one hundred meter and four hundred meter in the T
fifty four class. McFadden, however, will be skipping this fallse
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World Championships. She's going to focus on the marathon majors.
We'll have a few more takeaways from this weekend's track
and field events into my show. Finally, in golf, Japanese
rookie Meu Yamashita captured her first major title on Sunday,
winning the AIG Women's Open, also known as the Women's
British Open in Wales. Yamashita started the final day with
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a one stroke lead and overcame a late charge by
Charlie Hall to.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Win by two shots.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Speaking to Charlie Hall, we'll share the link to a
very cute Instagram post from the beginning of the tournament
where there's a photoshop of current photos of Hall alongside
photos of her at age ten when she played in
the British Open pro am. The caption reads then now
always Charlie keeping the dream alive, never stop playing. It's
really cute.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Slices.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Want to give a quick shout out to the Phoenix
Mercury who invited me to speak at their team off
site here in Chicago on Saturday morning. A bunch of
team staff flew in Friday afternoon and got to enjoy
my beautiful city while the team coaches and some staff
were set to arrive Friday night after their game in
Atlanta didn't happen though. After their disappointing life to the
dream that night, things got even worse because their charter
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plane left Atlanta, but was forced to turn around and
go back to the airport when an engine failed. According
to GM Nick Youwren, who told the story Saturday morning
at the off site, it was a pretty serious situation,
with ambulances and fire trucks awaiting them on the tarmac
when they landed.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Just in case.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Thankfully, their Saturday flight went off without issue and they
made it with plenty of time to rest up ahead
of their Sunday night matchup with the Sky and Nick
head coach Nate Tibbetts and the rest of the staff
made it in time to get to the off site.
I enjoyed the chance to talk to some of their
partners and sponsors about the state of women's sports.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
So thanks to them for the invite.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
We're going to take a quick break when we come back.
We pull Up with Miles and Owen.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Joining us now.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
He's a writer and reporter, producing WNBA content at a
number of places including Windsider and co host of the
podcast Pull Up with Miles and Owen and Nyu grad
with an m from the Writer's Foundry at Saint Joseph's
By Day.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
He's a technical editor.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
He's not the Canadian actor and dancer Miles Erlick with
the Ck. He's the Brooklyn writer and reporter Miles Erlick
with the ch Chai.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Miles, Hey, Sarah, thanks so much for having me. Excited
to be here.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Also joining us, he's a writer and reporter for Windsider
and The Contrarian, formerly of the Boston Globe, and the
other co host of the podcast Pull Up with Miles
and Owen. A Northeastern grad, he was a twenty twenty
four slam magazine WNBA creator making waves. He really wants
to know who checked that bag with the Neon green
dildo in it. He's Owen Pence.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I Owen.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
H'm Sarah, how are you?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
We all want to know if it was a clear
bag and did they just stroll in confidently or did
the security just not check that closely?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
We all want to know.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
In fact, my buddy Pablo Tory has a whole podcast
about finding out, and I'm going to put him on
the case.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Who brought the dildo? Who threw it? We need more,
We need more on that story.
Speaker 7 (16:54):
He's the perfect man for the job.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
He is he is, guys. I appreciate you coming on
to join.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I love to talk to creators and folks who are
passionate about women's sports and fans of the W, and
I really want to know how you ended up here. So, Miles,
what brought you to the W and when did you
really decide like I want to actually make this a living.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I think it's kind of the atypical story of just
finding my way into the space through social media, which yeah,
no one's ever done that before. It was basically like
I found out one day that this was back in
twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, that WNBA League pass was at
the time like seventeen dollars or something like that, and
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the W had always kind of been vaguely on my radar.
I had watched, you know, whatever games were on TV,
which weren't very many back then, and when it was
first when I was a kid, whenever I was first
growing up, I would hear them on the radio back
here in New York too, but it had fallen off.
And then I said, Okay, I love basketball, I want
to support women's sports. Let me sign up for seventeen dollars.
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And I started watching and it was instantly digestible in
a way that lots of other sports aren't because there
are twelve teams and there are one hundred and forty
four athletes at the time, and I realized I knew
from just watching Sports Center every night before I fell asleep,
and you know, seeing four episodes a night, that I
would I knew players from every team already, basically, So
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it was really easy at the time. And the Liberty
weren't very good my local team, so I was able
to find joy in watching a lot of the other
teams play. And I was just going to games at
the time. I was going up to Westchester. I was
doing that drive up to Westchester in the dark years
for the Liberty, and I was just playing around and
writing recaps basically for the games I was going to.
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And I saw Twitter posting saying that it was a
site called be Ball Writers, which has been shuttered for
four or five years now, and they were doing NBA
content and said, we want to branch out to.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
The w BIT.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
So I did that. I did that for a while,
covered the whole league, and then in twenty twenty, I
was able to with nets Republic get a credential for
the first time and I covered through the COVID years. Yeah,
that first COVID year was all remote and then Barclays
ever since and got to see the Liberty go from
two and twenty to winning a championship in that time,
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which has been really a linear journey that you don't
normally get in this industry.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And I do.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
I have to supplement it with a day job, with
a forty hour week day job, which is somewhat of
the struggle, but I think that's what a lot of
us are doing as independent creators. And I as a
fan of men's sports growing up, I never wanted to
know more about those athletes. That was always kind of
the ten shame is perform on the field, but please
let me not know where your dollars are going off
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of the field. And when I got into covering the
w and covering these athletes, these are just so many
stories that are never told, and these are so many
people that are incredible, and being a small voice for them,
using my platform and being a conduit for telling those
stories is just something that it just marries my passion
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for storytelling and for just everything amazing that they're doing.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, it's really interesting, so many things in there, but
particularly on the women's side, because there's a dearth of
coverage and content. You can decide how you want to
bring something to the space, as opposed to being told,
usually by a boss, what's needed for that site or
how you're going to fit in in this sort of
pyramid of probably lots of folks that are all covering
the same thing, and what's your niche part of it?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And the other thing is.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
You're right Like a lot of times, I don't like
learning too much about the male athletes on my favorite
teams because then I get sad, and then I don't
want to root for them anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
That's not to say all of them.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
There's some wonderful athletes on the men's side, but unfortunately
some of the enabling and the culture around men's sports
allows them to not cultivate character, let's say it that way.
And on the women's side, what we often find is
that they are needing to be so much more well
rounded in order to supplement their sports income. Become very interesting, fascinating,
and often dedicated to causes and things outside of sport
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that make them more admirable than you might imagine before
you get to know them. Really quick follow up for you,
because I love that you talked about the very clear
through line from like moving on up like Westchester to Barclays.
They even like I loved that they had their old
mascot like walk across the bridge Maddie the Labrador retriever
over to Brooklyn to help pass the torch to Ellie
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and the new mascot in the new timeline that was
starting in Brooklyn. For those who maybe just got into
the w in the last couple of years, can you
paint a picture, a brief one of what Liberty games
in Westchester look like versus what we now know at Barclays.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
So luckily I got to witness the some of the bigger,
some of the horror stories from afar, some of the
worst of it because I was in the stands and
there was there was no bad seat. But I've heard players,
I've heard media, lots of people talk about just how
bad the facilities were. I just got to see how
bad the court was. So that was my experience in
the parking lot. I sat in that for hours and hours.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
But it was rough.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
It felt like this was not a place that a
professional basketball team should be playing, and that was the case.
My wife is from Westchester and they used to do
like science fares there and it became during COVID it
became like a vaccine center like that is where professional
basketball players from across the entire league were being sent
to play. So for them to then go from that
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to the Bubble to then the Barclay Center where there
was a dedicated locker room and there was a practice
court on site, it was just night and day, and
that I think was a big part of resurrecting the
franchise as well.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
And I think also they always say it's not bad
to be poor, it's bad to be rich and then poor.
So to start at MSG Madison Square Garden where the
Knicks play and be like we're legit, and then be like,
now we're going to send you to Westchester, that part
of it was I think especially hard. Oh how about you,
How did you get started in the women's sportspace.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Yes, so I covered the women's basketball team at Northeastern
when I was a freshman there in twenty fourteen, and
that was when I started like really watching the WNBA
getting into women's sports. I remember watching the Link Sparks
Finals while I was in college. But I would say,
like the major turning point for me I was working
in men's sports at this point, working for the Boston Globe,
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covering every sport under the sun, all the Boston teams,
and I think the year it really turned and my
fandom like went to another level was twenty seventeen the
NCAA tournament, like the Morgan Williams shot to me against
Yukon is the most iconic thing ever. And that was
like the first time I was like, oh, I am
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like a diehard fan, like this is making me feel
things that men's sports have never made me feel before.
And that was the year Asia one at all. And
then I'd say the next year, which is my senior
year of college, I fell in love with the Notre
Dame team like Jackie Young, Arik Gooballe, Marina Maybury.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Speaking of iconic shots exactly.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
Yeah, have plenty to choose from with that couple of
years of NCAA tournaments, and so then I was just
like a diehard fan and I was fully, fully into it.
Asia and Jackie ended up both going to the Aces,
which was like fun for me because they were my
two favorite players in college. I'll follow Jackie and Asia
wherever they go. If they go anywhere, that's another podcast.
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But yeah, so I'm working in men's sports at the
time in Boston and a bit of a toxic place
to cover sports, Like just so much toxicity in the
in the men's sports there, And so when COVID hit,
I was just kind of looking for a way that
I could still cover sports the combine something I really
really loved, but feel better about it, and also be
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able to do more of the stories I wanted to do.
Like as much as I loved writing, you know, game
stories about Red Sox games that would end at twelve
thirty in the morning on deadline as they hold the
print edition to get your story, and it's like, I'd
love to spend more time on features and really dive
into certain players who, like Miles was saying, haven't really
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had their stories told in a way that a Red
Sox player has had his story told one hundred times over.
And so when COVID hit, it was kind of like
the time that I just slid in and got credentialed,
started covering and just building from there. And yeah, this
is my sixth season covering the league and couldn't be
happier about it.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, for those who are not familiar with the Boston
men's sports scene as someone who's been the target of
at least one of those radio stations on numerous occasions,
which might be the most toxic in the country. And
then this is also the place where the Robert Kraft
Happy Ending story was essentially a bunch of bros from
Boston coming out and being.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Like, who among us? Haven't we all? And was like,
I don't know if you need to do that.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I think you know, you could just sit this one
out if you don't want to criticize. Don't know if
we need to all offer up that that's just an
everyday thing for all of them out of Boston. How
did y'all find each other and meet in the space
and then decide to do a podcast?
Speaker 6 (26:09):
Miles, So we did not know that we were both
located in New York, but we were both writing for
Winsider and that was what was that Owen twenty twenty one,
two twenty one. Yeah, So I was at that point credentialed,
but Owen, who is now affectionately called by Liberty CMPR
road Team Owen, hadn't yet applied for a credential because
(26:33):
he was like, I don't want to really I'm not
going to come here and just cover the Liberty. So
at that point I had had season tickets from before
I was credentialed, and I was just like basically handing
them out to people because I had to sit in
my assigned seat, and I had given Owen some tickets,
and then we got to talking and we were at
the same site. But I'm born and raised New Yorker,
Brooklyn my whole life, and Owen had been born here
(26:55):
and then left and then came back by choice after
he was able to finally flee Boston, and so we
really bonded in just wanting to be in Brooklyn so much.
And there's nothing else if you're two straight white guys
to do in Brooklyn besides start a podcast. So that
was the national next step.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
You actually just went to get coffee and someone handed
you guys mics and they were like, you guys are
behind You have.
Speaker 7 (27:19):
To start exactly.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Yeah, it's just a checklist of cliches. And then in
the interim, Owen joined a band just to continue checking
off those those cliches. But yeah, it just kind of
grew from there and we we have a really good rapport.
We found that we had a lot of things. Oh
in for a while, I was living far from Berkleys
(27:41):
and he was closer, so I would drive him home
after games. And now I'm closer and he's far there,
so he drives me home a lot of the times,
and we would just chat for like forty five minutes
in front of our apartments and we were like, yeah,
we should probably slap a microphone here and just have
some of these takes. So yeah, real romance. And we're
really lucky to have found each other in this space
(28:02):
because we also kind of keep each other grounded, I
think as much as possible because we need you. I'm
sure you know this. You need like a thousand group
chats to be like is this okay to send? Is
this not? And I think Owen takes me out of
my comfort zone and I pull him back towards my
comfort zone when he's a little bit out of pocket.
So it's a good balance.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, we love we love the group chat where we
can be like this is a safe space, right. I
got to run something by y'all and see if I
can put it out in public or not. So for
those how familiar, ow can you share a little bit
about Windsider where both y'all contribute.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
Yeah, Windsider's been around for a long time, originally w
Insider and now Winsider, And yeah, it's just somewhere where
I feel like I've written a lot of stories and
Miles has written a lot of stories that were super
proud of. We have an incredible graphics guy, Chris, who
just makes the site look so so beautiful. Probably like
(28:55):
my favorite piece I've ever written was about Jackie Young
no surprise based on my previous answer, and I did
like a deep, deep dive into her whole life and
the art for that piece was like so stunning, and
it just made me feel very proud to like have
put something like that out there. But yeah, it's just
(29:16):
a space where you know, a lot of people are
kind of not kind of are extremely passionate about the
WNBA and in that vein are doing it on the side,
like doing full time work, not for full time pay,
and I think, you know, a lot of a lot
of great work has been put out over the years.
(29:37):
Some people have gone on to work for teams. There
are people in front offices now who are winside or vents.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
So Miles, when I bummed into at WNBA All Star.
You mentioned that you had paid your own way out there,
So inasmuch as you're willing to share, can you help
us understand how sustainable it is for folks to try
to cover women's sports and independent sites like you do,
where you're freelancing, maybe some places regularly, other places one offs.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
It really is a privilege to be able to do it,
to be able to hold down a full time job,
and to have a very supportive wife who is very patient,
especially with all of the late nights. And when we
first started dating and living together, we were in a
six hundred square foot Bushwick apartment and she was working.
(30:22):
She was in grad school, so she was in like
year three or four of a PhD program, and she
was working in prepping classes until like two in the morning,
and so it wasn't such a big deal when I
was also doing all of my writing until two in
the morning. And then after she finished that program, she's like, wait,
but now I want to hang out. And that's kind
of been a tension that I am always aware of,
(30:45):
but that she's always reminding me, like, this is what
you want to be doing, and this is kind of
this is your passion and you're supplementing a day job.
And I'm very lucky to be fully remote and to
have a job that kind of ebbs and flows with
the season. So the summer is typically slower months, but
there will be days and Owen knows this when we
(31:07):
go and cover a game and I have to go
home and put in three more hours of work before
I could call it at night. So it is stressful
in that part. And I don't think that that's something
that really gets talked about a lot in this space,
is how difficult it is to make the money work
if that's your sole source of income. I also have
way too much anxiety about being just full time freelancer.
(31:30):
I know that there are a lot of people that
can live that life and that can just be accountable
in that way, and I'm just not one of those people.
And I remember I was actually listening to your show.
It was about a month ago when you had Lindsay
Gibbs on, and she was talking about about being accountable,
self accountable, and I jotted down a quote because she said,
(31:50):
you need infrastructure to be successful, and I don't have
infrastructure as an individual, and that resonated with me so much.
I went to grad school for my MFA because I
needed I was like, I'm not going to write if
no one is telling me I have to write. I
go to PT much longer than I have to because
I know I'm not going to do the exercises on
my own. There's all of that where I just need
(32:12):
I just need that push. So that's kind of why
having a home base for freelancing is great. But I
could also then seek out other opportunities and I've gotten
to work on a ton of cool stuff. I just
finished a piece for Flagrant magazine that's going to be
coming out when their next issue. I love Flagrant. I
have worked with two K recently on some of their
(32:34):
WNBA content SLAM. There have been so many bylines that
I'm super proud of in this space, and that all
came from these independent opportunities. So it's really cool to
just see my growth in this space reflected in just
some of the people that are around me that I
really respect, and the fact that I got married on
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day one of the finals in twenty twenty three, and
I had a table of WNBA media there covering the
WNBA So that's just like how much of this sport
has has really just bled into the rest of my
life in a way that I'm so grateful for, and
that after you're thirty, it's really hard to find new friends.
So I've also now kind of adopted a whole new
(33:18):
just a whole new family through covering the w and that's.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Just really cool.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
We got to take a quick break more with Miles
and Owen right after this. You know, the current WNBA
media landscape is better, Well it's it's good and bad.
It is thrilling, it is dire esqueet time. So I
want to start with the positive though. There are more views,
(33:45):
more clicks, more fans to serve, more mainstream interest. So, Owen,
how have the last few years of growth affected your
life and your coverage and how you're able to sort
of figure out how to make it worth both financially
and also just the opportunities that you have to make
content pece people consume.
Speaker 7 (34:01):
Yeah, that's such a fantastic question. I find it funny.
Miles has a little smile because I'm probably the more
cynical of our podcast, So like, I like that I'm
being put in the position to answer the positive question
because I do think, you know, it is a two
sides of the same coin type of situation. But I'm
(34:22):
just so thankful kind of, as Miles said, to have
a platform in general, and like, you know, even though
I can be cynical, I try to make especially my
Twitter and the stuff I put out publicly, like incredibly
positive just surrounding the players, because that is why I'm
in the space, and that is why I love it.
And I think to that end, over the last couple
(34:42):
of years, there's such an appetite for women's sports coverage,
for just discussion surrounding it. Like it doesn't even have
to be this perfectly crafted column or whatever. It could
just be like someone starting a discussion. It could be
running into someone and them being inquisitive about what's going on,
and that is so so cool to me. And then professionally,
(35:05):
it definitely has given me more opportunities. Like from a
freelance perspective, I think I've been writing for this sub stack,
The Contrarian, and they they just do a great job
of basically giving me a platform to write write columns
about stuff that is at the intersection of where women's
sports is at currently and the world at large, and
(35:27):
there's so much that we can talk about when it
comes to that, like the x's and o's are super fun.
I kind of entered this space back in twenty twenty
wanting to be like the Zaclo of the WNBA, you know,
like break down the plays and stuff, and then quickly
I realized like that wasn't going to be fulfilling to me.
And also like, and there's such a space for that
(35:48):
coverage too. I don't want to don't want to make
it seem like it's not, but I realized that what
I'm best at is is columns and features and like
diving deep into stuff, and in the last couple of years,
like there's a need for it. It's not just that
there's an appetite for it, but like there's a need
for people kind of stepping up and being hey, what's
going on isn't okay in some regards? And these players
(36:11):
deserve so much more, And these fans who've just entered
this space and entered it in bad faith need to
be checked, et cetera, et cetera. And I appreciate kind
of the journalism community for acknowledging that and forgiving giving
me space to write, yeah, and to cover these things.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
You at the tail end of your attempt at positivity
arrived us at the negative side, which was well done
by you. I'm going to get into that in one second.
But because Miles did give us a little bit of
know thy self therapy moment about his need for self infrastructure,
I wonder if you could briefly tell us why you
tend to be cynical. Why are you the one who's
always going that way?
Speaker 7 (36:51):
That's a great question. I think I think I'm like
very anti capitalist, and so I'm just always like always
wanting to fight for the players, the workers, et cetera.
And so that always manifests and like me getting a
text from the league and like very friendly. The league
want to make that very clear, but like hey that
tweet like blah blah blah, Like yeah, but like the
(37:13):
players like they deserve this, etcetera, etcetera. So it's like
all very friendly. But I think I think that I
don't know, my family would say it's because I'm an aries.
I don't know what that means, but I think that
might have something to do with it. Uh, definitely, Boston,
definitely my experience, Like when you said the Boston radio
stations like they they had a full couple days of
like reading my tweets on EI and the sports and like,
(37:37):
I'm sure the people who are in your replies were
in my replies, and so again stuff like that where
I'm just like, this isn't like how it's supposed to
be or how it should be. Like this, we're all
here because it's a game and it's fun, and this
got so toxic, and so I think, like, instead, my
response when things like that happen is to like dig in,
which for better or worse.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Well, let's talk about that negative side, Miles. If you're
usually the positive guy, I'm going to force you to
go to the dark side. This unprecedented amount of coverage
now includes a tremendous amount of fake news, misinformation, false quotes,
completely uninformed people reacting insanely to things that they don't understand,
things like a quote about Team Clark that is then
(38:22):
read as a shot at Caitlin Clark because they don't
even know what Team Clark is.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
That they don't even know what the.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
W is practically, So, Miles, what can we do about
that side of things?
Speaker 6 (38:31):
Oh, that is a very loaded question, because I think
that the W is kind of just a microcosm of
the world at large, and we've got so many issues
with media and with social media and the fact that
everybody has access to a computer where they can just
spew out their thoughts. They can create a blog, they
can send out a tweet, and that is all you
(38:52):
need to do with For seven dollars a month, you
could buy a verified check mark and amplify all that
mess And I think when I talked about Owen being
very helpful to me, his experiences in Boston have really
set him up for this last couple of years of
the WNBA when all of these bad faith actors came in.
(39:13):
And you know, he wrote a great column at over
at the Contrarian about Angel Reese, and all that meant
was that his entire mentions blew up for the next
like three days in a way that like I would
have died, I would have just shut down all of
the devices, never logged on again. You never would have
heard from me, and that would have been it for me.
And just seeing how he was able to cherry pick
(39:35):
his favorite and respond to those those hateful messages in
a way that was just really it was cathartic for him,
and it was terrifying for me, but in kind of
learning that, but just watching how in the last couple
of years, I think there's so much positive growth that
is being obscured by those few bad faith actors who
(39:57):
just happened to be the loudest, and there are there's
so many incredible stories being told, even from you, your
Caitlin fans and your Angel fans and your Page fans
and these new generations that feel like they did not
have a voice. And I feel for Caitlin in when
she's used as an avatar for some of these fans
(40:19):
that just want to see a straight white woman excelling
at a sport that's predominantly queer black women, and that
sometimes is all there is to it. And that's been
the biggest struggle for me from a coverage perspective. And
I'm like, part of me wants to just keep my
head down and keep doing the work I'm doing and
hopefully that drowns out some of the noise. But then
(40:41):
I hit a breaking point where I feel like I
need to respond, where we need to have conversations or
bring people onto our podcast that could speak to some
of these issues much better than Owen and I can
because that's just we can sympathize with so much of this,
but we can't empathize we don't know when something is
true agering if we haven't directly experienced it as much
(41:03):
as we want to, and we want to do everything
we can to try to be, you know, the smallest
light in that space while also not putting down any
of the players ourselves, or at least that's my that's
my perspective, and I think it's thinking about where it
was a couple of years ago. A barometer, a weird
(41:24):
barometer for me is like my in laws asking about
Britney Griner. That was the only question three years ago
whenever anything with the WNBA came up, and then it
was what's going on with Caitlin? Why does everybody hate her?
And now it's grown into and part of that I
think is the local success of the Liberty, But it's
(41:44):
grown into oh I see that the Liberty are on
a wind streak or oh no, John Cuell Jones is out.
What news do you have that you can share with me?
And I'm like, nothing that you won't find if you
don't log onto Twitter. But like that, seeing that conversation
grow has been cool because it's about basketball, way off
it way more often now than it was a couple
of years ago.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yeah, there's a lot more of the good stuff, which
is great.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
It just brought with it a lot of the bad stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
And unfortunately, unlike in more established sports and predominantly men's sports,
when people get things really wrong, there isn't this mass
of folks arriving to tell them that they're wrong or
what they're saying is inaccurate, or to send them a
story about what's actually true.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
So it's just messier.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
There is so much mess and there aren't enough established
outlets doing it right and doing it well that they
can counteract that. In fact, some of the outlets that
you normally would assume would be places you could get
accurate and smart coverage are not well informed on the
w and are contributing to the problem by having writers
who will write dumb shit about Kelsey Plum saying team
(42:49):
Clark wasn't present, and then they actually write a story
about her taking a shot at Caitlyn Clark too, and
you're like, wait, this is fill in the blank of
a name. I'm not going to call it, but this
is an outlet that should know better than that, and
then that looks legit of people who don't know the space.
So we're kind of running out of time here, and
I want to ask you, Owen, what are your go
to places for legit reporting and smart coverage other than
(43:11):
your own, Like where do you go and think like
I know this is going to be good and this
is going to be right.
Speaker 7 (43:15):
Oh, great question. Yeah, I love ending it on On
that note. Nikaias Duncan is someone who I think does
not get enough credit in the space just in general,
someone who's just as smart as it gets about basketball.
Him and Steve Jones Junior. We've had them both on
our podcasts a number of times. And you know when
I said earlier, like I realized that that type of
(43:37):
X's and O's coverage wasn't my lane, Like they are
so amazing at it, but also with an ability to
speak about stuff beyond basketball, I think I think it's
it's it's like specific people. I want to shout out.
Our friend Tarika Foster Brasby just does such exceptional coverage everywhere,
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and I'm so thankful that we met her in this space.
There is a lot of good independent journalism happening Lucas
Kaplan in market here covers the Liberty incredibly well alongside Miles.
So like when you when you know where to find it,
and of course this is gonna be a situe I'm
(44:17):
trying to fill a buster because there's gonna be like
ten names when we finish reporting. Why did I shout
them out as well? Flagrant Magazine that Slam has always
done such a great job, like having a byline and
Slam was was such a dream come true. So there
is amazing work being done out there, and it just
(44:38):
sometimes it's harder to find it.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Well, if you remember some, you can always email them
to me and I'll throw them at the end of
the show for people to follow.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
So don't stress too much. You'll you'll have, you know,
a lot of bit of time for it to come
to you. Miles, you got a couple names.
Speaker 6 (44:52):
I wanted to just yeah, I was going to add
obviously we spoke about I brought up Lindsay before. Huge
fan of everything that Lindsay does and just kind of
building the world out. Katie Barnes is someone else who
I think is the best feature writer in I mean,
but for my money, in basketball World. Yeah, in the world.
So everything that Katie's doing is so exciting. I'm going
(45:14):
to just going to show love to the Independence. So
I mean it's you're seeing not just it with Windsider,
but you're seeing your her hoop stats put out content
and seeing them get to the platform where they're being
shouted out on broadcasts is really amazing. The just the
teams of people that are at I think all the Independence,
(45:35):
but at ESPN they've actually done a better job in
recent years, I think in bringing in basketball voices that
are either if it's a former player like Chaday or
if it's somebody like Alexa Philippoho who started as a
beat writer up with the Connecticut Sun and has just
grown and grown that it's cool to see a bigger
outlet really recognize talent for that space instead of just saying, okay,
(46:00):
we have NBA, let's just drag them over to the
w space, which is unfortunately when a lot of these
bigger platforms have done.
Speaker 7 (46:08):
So.
Speaker 6 (46:08):
I think those are just a couple of names that
come to mind. But yeah, I was hoping I was
off the hook.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Here, all right.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Last question. We do our own version of bench start cut.
It is called good Gooder goodest. You don't have to
cut anything because this is good game. We don't want
to cut anything, but something does have to just be good.
So give me these in the order of good.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Gooder, goodest miles.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
You go first, Nafisa Colliers fade away in the paint,
Page Becker's mid range, Jay sabrinigan Escu's deep three.
Speaker 6 (46:41):
Ooh okay, well, I already have links fans mad at me,
so I feel like I should just stay on that
train just by being a liberty reporter. So I think,
and seeing Fee and JJ go at each other in
the paint with Fata waves is great, But I think
I'm going to start with Fee there. I might have
to just stay in the order you're there. I might
(47:02):
have to go Fee good that page midi, which is
already one of the most efficient mid range shots, which
again might not be a great basketball shot, but is
if you can shoot that efficiently is a great shot.
That's a gooder. And then the Sabrina deep three, especially
at the Barclay Center, just hits different that watching her
(47:23):
warm up every game, you're watching like thirty forty threes
drop in a row, and she's practicing from that that
four four point story range from All Star and one
of the coldest shots I've ever seen in my life
was traveling out to Minnesota for Game three and seeing
sab knock that one down was a really cool moment
to then get to talk to the athlete five minutes
(47:45):
after that and report on.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
So all right, So Miles is an incredible homer as expected,
huge homer. Also, Owen and I both.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Gave the exact same look when he made Fees fade away,
which is unstoppable.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
The good talk about a hater. There's a podcast Good
Good or Goodest Go.
Speaker 7 (48:07):
I am gonna redeem him. And also I just want
to thank you because every time I see the start
bench cut, I'm just like, we're out here cutting Lisa Leslie,
like what are we doing? Like what is this? So
this is great? I don't have to cut anything. And yes,
I'm going to go the complete opposite order of Miles.
I'm gonna I'm gonna say good Sabrina deep three. Look,
(48:28):
if it's like Game three of the Finals last year,
then then it has to elevate. But in general incredible.
She hits some last night as well. Uh, Paige Midi Gooder,
the the the bag work the other night that like
double crossover into that feed away just absolutely silly against
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New York. So like Page Page is a superstar, but
come on, I mean, no Fisa in the pate with
the step back has to be goodest, like legitimately the
most unstoppable shot in all of that.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, yeah, v thank you, thank you. I'm not supposed
to have judgment at these these are your subjective opinions,
but you're right, Owen, so that's good.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Thank you guys both so much for coming on. We
really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Keep up the great work, and hopefully we'll send a
lot of folks to go read your stuff and listen
to your pod and keep the clicks coming.
Speaker 6 (49:18):
Thank you, Sarah, Thank you so much, Sarah.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
We got to take another break. When we come back.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Mix Strengths done wrong, stick around, welcome back slices. We
always love that you're listening, but we want you to
get in the game every day too, So here's our
good game play of the day. Follow Owen and Miles
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with Owen and Miles. They also sent us the names
of a few more content creators that they love and appreciate.
Which included The Washington Post, Kareem Copeland, Christina Williams, host
of the iHeart Podcast, in case you missed it, the
Las Vegas review Journals, Callie Finn, the Athletics, Ben Pickman.
You've heard from most of those folks on this show,
so you already know how great they are. We'll link
to all those folks in the show notes, along with
(50:08):
the reporters they mentioned in the interview.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Also a quick.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
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Now Allegedly, a packaging supplier that the two brand share
mistakenly sent the empty Celsius cans to high Noon, who
accidentally filled them with vodka Seltzer. Specifically, two production lots
of the high Noon Beach variety packs might include mislabeled
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cans of Celsius astro Vibe, so folks sitting at work
grabbing it up or to kick that three PM drowsy
feeling are actually getting an early start to happy hour.
Celsius describes the affected flavor astro Vibe sparkling blue ras
addition as quote inspired by the infinite adventure of space travel.
But I'm guessing some execs look into fuel an all
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nighter or Jim Bros. Trying to pump up their energy
before a workout might end up on a different kind.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Of trip altogether.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Celsius cracked a few jokes about it on social media,
including posting cans of blue ras with quote, tag your friends,
it's happy hour funny, but there might be some no,
not so funny outcomes to this. I don't know folks
in recovery, accidentally falling off the wagon, someone using the
error to try to fight a dui in court. For now,
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just to be safe, channel a forty plus woman scheduling
a mammogram and double check those cans. Now it's your turn,
rate and review. Thanks for listening, y'all, see you tomorrow.
Good game, Owen, good game, Miles you to those fans
given sex toys a bad name. Good Game with Sarah
Spain is an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with
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Production by Wonder Media Network, our producers are Alex Azzie
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Your Host Sarah Spain.
Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're sending
condolences to Lil Baby Page Beckers, who's now lost both
of her basketball moms to trades, first Melissa Smith to
the Aces, now Dja Carrington to the Links hang in
their rook. It's Monday, August fourth, and on today's show,
we'll be chatting with WNBA reporters and.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Podcast hosts Miles Erlick and Owen.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Pence about what it's really like to cover women's sports
for independent media sites, how they got started covering the
w the current state of women's hoops journalism and news
journalism is a side gig, and why they're the best
kind of Brooklyn stereotype. Plus the potential challenges of moving
the object at the center of the Solar System, the
NWSL's blockbuster return, and sex toy crime Watch. Still don't
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you guys, It's all coming up right after this Welcome
back slices. Happy Monday. Here's what you need to know today.
Let's start with the WNBA, where a lot happened this weekend.
On Saturday, the Boston Globe was the first to report
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that Celtics minority owner Steve Paliuca has agreed to buy
the Connecticut Sun from the Mohegan Tribe for three hundred
and twenty five million dollars, which would be a record
sale price for a women's pro team. In that initial
Globe report and stories that followed from the Associated Press
and ESPN, it was reported that Paliuca plans to relocate
the team to Boston ahead of the twenty twenty seven
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WNBA season. Now, remember, the Sun sold out both of
its games at Boston's TD Garden this summer and last.
But Boston fans might want to wait a little longer
before they start celebrating their new team, because after that
initial reporting on Saturday, the WNBA itself made a statement,
and the statement suggested that a Boston move isn't imminent.
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In that statement, the league said, quote, relocation decisions are
made by the WNBA Board of Governors and not by
individual teams.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
End quote.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
The league statement went on to say that the nine
cities that applied as part of the recent an expansion
bid process and weren't awarded teams quote, remain under consideration
based on the extensive work they did as part of
the expansion process and currently have priority over Boston end quote.
Then on Sunday, Sun President Jennifer Rizzotti confirmed that the
team does plan to remain in Connecticut through twenty twenty six,
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and said the sale by the Mohegan Tribe is quote
not quite at the finish line yet. Now it's worth
remembering back when the WNBA announced Cleveland, Detroit, and Philly
as expansion teams earlier this summer. The league also singled
out Houston as a city it was targeting for future expansion,
leaving a lot of folks wondering if the Houston Comets
could be reborn from the Connecticut Sun. Now, given that
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the WNBA Board of Governors has final approval of all
team sales and relocations, there are still a lot of
details to work out here, so we'll keep you posted
as we learn more. We do want to know what
Connecticut Sun fans are saying, so if we've got some
Connecticut Suns slices out there, we'd love to hear how
you're feeling about this news. Shoot us an email good
game at Wonder Media NETWORKEDE dot com, or leave us
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a voicemail at eight seven to two two oh four
fifty seventy more WNBA A big trade was announced on
Sunday with the Dallas Wings trading guard djn A. Carrington
to the Minnesota Links in exchange for diamond miller Carly
Samuelson and Minnesota's twenty twenty seven second round pick. To
complete the trade and get enough cap space for the
incoming players, the Wings wave Tierra McCown. Carrington is a
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big get for the top ranked Minnesota Links. The w's
most improved player last year and an All WNBA First
team defensive selection last year. She's appeared in twenty games
this season for the Wings and is averaging ten point
four points, a career high, five point one rebounds, one
point eight assists, and one point zero five steals in
just under twenty five minutes per game so far. Now,
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as we mentioned earlier, that means the Smith, Carrington Becker's
family is officially a broken family with pieces scattered across
the WNBA. If you haven't seen the charming montages of
page playing excitable Toddler to Djnay's patient parent, will link
to one of those in the show notes. Also worth noting,
the WNBA's trade deadline is this Thursday, so we could
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see a few more big moves as teams look to
lock in their rosters ahead of the final stretch more
w and a follow up to dildo Gate, which yes,
is now officially a gate. Following a second incident two
days after, a fan threw a Neon green dildo onto
the court in an Atlanta Dream game against the Golden
State Balkrace. Early last week, another VALKX game was interrupted
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by a flying sex toy, this time while on the
road against the Chicago Sky Indiana.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Fever Guard and w class clown.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Sidney Colson, friend of the show, responded as only she
would not only posting on X quote sorry, I did
not mean to throw that so far, y'all, but also
doing an interview in character as quote unquote flying Mean
Green with her unsupervised podcast co host Teresa Plaizon's take
a listen to a little bit of that.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
So, is this your first time in front of a
national audience? Like you got screen time on national television.
There was a zoom in, you got a full game
stoppage and zoom in, like you were the center of attention.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
How'd that make you feel? My phone blowing up? It's crazy.
I didn't think all this was going to happen.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
It's real being in our community for real to be
seen on TV, like, we don't have a lot of
like celebrities. Yes, even though I was perceived as something
negative to some, there are some that have seen me
in It's been encouragements to them. They're like, well, you know,
I want to be out in public too.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And there is even an Instagram account at flying Me
and Greens, so if you feel the need, go ahead and.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Follow him her them.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
A lot of players and fans were having fun with
the absurdity of these moments, but several players have also
now spoken up with safety concerns, like The Sky's Elizabeth Williams,
who called the behavior really immature.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
On Saturday, the.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
WNBA announced that the fan who threw the dildo at
the Atlanta Dream Game had been arrested, and any person
who throws an object onto the court will be ejected
from the arena and face a minimum one year ban. So, folks,
if you get the urgetill, don't.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
More w on the court.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It was a busy weekend that kicked off with a
trio of upsets on Friday, The Atlanta Dream beat the
Phoenix Mercury, the Los Angeles Sparks stayed Hot Top in
the storm in doubt, and the Connecticut Sun bested the
defending champion New York Liberty. Also on Friday, more records
for Paige Beckers despite another loss for the Wings. With
her twenty two points in the team's eighty eight seventy
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eight loss to the Indiana Fever, Beckers notched her twelfth
twenty point game of the season and increased her WNBA
record for double figure games to start a career to
twenty three. She continues to set the pace for rookies
present and pasted. In the wings previous game, Beckers overtook
WNBA legend Cynthia Cooper to become the fastest player with
at least four hundred points and one hundred assists, accomplishing
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that feat in just twenty two games.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
The excitement in the w continued on.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Saturday, with a couple records falling in the contest between
the Links and the Las Vegas Aces. Minnesota put an
absolute beat down on Las Vegas in this one, leaving
Sinn City with a WNBA record fifty three point road
win one hundred and eleven to fifty eight. Kayla McBride
led the way for the Links with twenty four points
on a perfect eight of eight from beyond the arc
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in the first half. That's a WNBA record if he's
a Collier scored eighteen points in the win, but she
left the game with less than a minute to play
in the third quarter with an ankle injury. Head coach
Cheryl Reeve defended Collier being in the game despite the
Links holding a forty three point lead when the injury occurred.
Said Reeve, quote, I didn't think the game was over.
I don't think like that. She had a sub. She
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was going to set out the fourth quarter. Sometimes these
things happen end quote. We'll keep you updated on that
Callier injury as news arrives. On Sunday, the Liberty snapped
their four game losing streak and avenged that Friday loss
to the Sun with an eighty seven seventy eight victory
over Connecticut behind thirty six points from Sabrini and Escu
and eleven points from Emma Mesiman in her Liberty debut.
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A former WNBA Finals MVP who last played in the
league in twenty twenty two before playing overseas, winning the
EuroLeague Women's MVP the last three seasons, Misiman was just
added to the Liberty roster last week to the NWSL,
where the league's returned to play started with a blockbuster trade.
On Friday, multiple outlets reported that Ali sent Nore had
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been traded from the last place Utah Royals to the
top ranked Kansas City Current The move was later confirmed
by both teams. Sent Nor, who was named the US
women's national team's Young Female Player of the Year in
twenty twenty four, was selected by the Royals with the
number one overall pick in last year's NWSL draft, the
final draft before the latest collective bargaining agreement abolished future
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drafts in the league now. Per Friend of the Show
Jeff Kasoof of ESPN, Utah received six hundred thousand dollars
in intra league transfer funds. That sets a new record
for an NWSL transfer, and the Royals could receive an
additional one hundred thousand dollars in conditional performance add ons.
In a post on Instagram, sent Noor said, quote, thank
you to the Royals for drafting this small town girl
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and giving me the opportunity to start a lifelong dream
of playing professional soccer.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
End quote. Sentnor was surprised at the.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Kansas City Airport by her BFF and new teammate Claire Hutton,
who made a welcome home Bestie sign to celebrate the occasion.
We'll link to the video of that cute airport reunion
in the show notes, and we'll have more on this
move and what it means for the top ranked Kansas
City Current later this week. Meantime on the pitch, an
emotional return for the Washington Spirits Trinity Rodman after nearly
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four months away dealing.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
With a back injury.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Rodman entered the Spirit's match against the Portland Thorns on
Sunday in the seventy sixth minute and scored the game
winner in stoppage time to lift the Spirit to a
two to one victory. It was clear in her postgame
interview with ABC just how much the moment meant to Rodman.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Yeah. I just think, holy hew, that was just the
hardest thing I've had.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
To go through.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
With injury.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
So being back being with.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
The especially at the home stadium with the crowd behind me,
scoring a goal like that, he saw it.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Buried it. He's not gonna miss it.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
So yeah, I'm just really happy to be back. I
missed the team, I miss doing what I love, So yeah,
I'm just joy.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Oh, we love to see it. One last piece of
soccer news. We got to give it up to the og.
Still got it. Queen of Clutch Marta, who announced her
retirement from international play after last year's Olympics, but changed
her mind and joined her team for the twenty twenty
five Copa America and in the tournament final on Saturday,
the thirty nine year old scored two goals off the
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bench to help Brazil defeat Columbia and take the title.
Marta entered in the eighty second minute, scored in the
sixth minute of stoppage time to even the game at
three all, then scored again in extra time to go
up four to three.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Brazil ultimately conceded a goal.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
The game went to penalties, and Brazil won the penalty
shootout five to four.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Long live, Queen Marta to the pool well.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
The World Aquatics Championships concluded on Sunday in Singapore, with
Team USA winning gold and breaking the world record. In
the women's four by one hundred meter medley relay. The
US quartet of Kate Douglas, Reagan Smith, Gretchen Walsh and
Tory Husk touched the wall in three minutes forty nine
point three four seconds, taking point two nine seconds off
the previous world record, which was set by Smith, Walsh
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and Husk along with Lilly King at last summer's Paris Olympics,
also in Singapore, in what many were calling the main event,
Katie Ledeci swam what might have been the best championship
race of her career on Saturday. Competing in the eight
hundred meter freestyle, Ladeki touched the wall in eighth five
sixty two, with Australian Lonnie Pallister claiming silver and Canadian
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Summer McIntosh winning bronze. McIntosh led the race with one
hundred meters left, but she baited and Ladeki pulled away
in the final fifty to win. With the win, Ladeki
became the first swimmer to win seven world titles in
the same event. Since winning Olympic gold in the distance
as a fifteen year old in twenty twelve, Ladecki has
never lost an eight hundred meter race at a major competition.
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While the Canadian penal McIntosh wasn't able to match Michael
Phelps's feet of five individual world titles at the same
World Championships, the eighteen year old still leave Singapore with
four World titles, making her the second woman to ever
win four individual golds at a single World Championships to
the World of Track and Field and the US Track
and Field National, Outdoor and Para Championships, which wrapped up
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over the weekend with competitors competing to earn spots at
this year's World Championships taking place in Tokyo in September.
You might remember from previous shows that decorated hurdler Sidney McLaughlin,
Lavroni was skipping the four hundred meter hurdles to focus
on the four hundred flat well. She won the event
her second US title in the four hundred open, improving
her record in the hurdle list one lap event to
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six and oh meantime, friend at the show, Massi Russell
captured the one hundred meter hurdles in a time of
twelve point two two seconds, and in the fifteen hundred
meter friend at the show, Nicki Hilts won their sixth
straight NOW National title, out kicking Sinclair Johnson down the stretch.
After the race, Hilts criticized World Athletics, Track and Field's
international governing body for its plans to introduce gene testing
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for female athletes ahead of September's World Championships, calling it
a quote unquote slippery slope. Will link to Hilts's full
comments in the show notes. This weekend's Track and Field
Championships marked the first time USATF hosted Para Nationals as
part of a combined competition, with para athletes also competing
for World Championship roster spots ahead of the twenty twenty
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five Para Athletics World Championships, which begin in September in
New Delhi, India. Highlights from the weekend's para competition include
twenty twenty four paralympian Annie Carey breaking her own world
record in the T forty four women's long jump, and
twenty two time Paralympic medalist Tatiana McFadden winning both the
one hundred meter and four hundred meter in the T
fifty four class. McFadden, however, will be skipping this fallse
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World Championships. She's going to focus on the marathon majors.
We'll have a few more takeaways from this weekend's track
and field events into my show. Finally, in golf, Japanese
rookie Meu Yamashita captured her first major title on Sunday,
winning the AIG Women's Open, also known as the Women's
British Open in Wales. Yamashita started the final day with
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a one stroke lead and overcame a late charge by
Charlie Hall to.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Win by two shots.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Speaking to Charlie Hall, we'll share the link to a
very cute Instagram post from the beginning of the tournament
where there's a photoshop of current photos of Hall alongside
photos of her at age ten when she played in
the British Open pro am. The caption reads then now
always Charlie keeping the dream alive, never stop playing. It's
really cute.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Slices.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Want to give a quick shout out to the Phoenix
Mercury who invited me to speak at their team off
site here in Chicago on Saturday morning. A bunch of
team staff flew in Friday afternoon and got to enjoy
my beautiful city while the team coaches and some staff
were set to arrive Friday night after their game in
Atlanta didn't happen though. After their disappointing life to the
dream that night, things got even worse because their charter
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plane left Atlanta, but was forced to turn around and
go back to the airport when an engine failed. According
to GM Nick Youwren, who told the story Saturday morning
at the off site, it was a pretty serious situation,
with ambulances and fire trucks awaiting them on the tarmac
when they landed.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Just in case.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Thankfully, their Saturday flight went off without issue and they
made it with plenty of time to rest up ahead
of their Sunday night matchup with the Sky and Nick
head coach Nate Tibbetts and the rest of the staff
made it in time to get to the off site.
I enjoyed the chance to talk to some of their
partners and sponsors about the state of women's sports.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
So thanks to them for the invite.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
We're going to take a quick break when we come back.
We pull Up with Miles and Owen.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Joining us now.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
He's a writer and reporter, producing WNBA content at a
number of places including Windsider and co host of the
podcast Pull Up with Miles and Owen and Nyu grad
with an m from the Writer's Foundry at Saint Joseph's
By Day.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
He's a technical editor.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
He's not the Canadian actor and dancer Miles Erlick with
the Ck. He's the Brooklyn writer and reporter Miles Erlick
with the ch Chai.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Miles, Hey, Sarah, thanks so much for having me. Excited
to be here.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Also joining us, he's a writer and reporter for Windsider
and The Contrarian, formerly of the Boston Globe, and the
other co host of the podcast Pull Up with Miles
and Owen. A Northeastern grad, he was a twenty twenty
four slam magazine WNBA creator making waves. He really wants
to know who checked that bag with the Neon green
dildo in it. He's Owen Pence.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I Owen.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
H'm Sarah, how are you?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
We all want to know if it was a clear
bag and did they just stroll in confidently or did
the security just not check that closely?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
We all want to know.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
In fact, my buddy Pablo Tory has a whole podcast
about finding out, and I'm going to put him on
the case.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Who brought the dildo? Who threw it? We need more,
We need more on that story.
Speaker 7 (16:54):
He's the perfect man for the job.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
He is he is, guys. I appreciate you coming on
to join.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I love to talk to creators and folks who are
passionate about women's sports and fans of the W, and
I really want to know how you ended up here. So, Miles,
what brought you to the W and when did you
really decide like I want to actually make this a living.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I think it's kind of the atypical story of just
finding my way into the space through social media, which yeah,
no one's ever done that before. It was basically like
I found out one day that this was back in
twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, that WNBA League pass was at
the time like seventeen dollars or something like that, and
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the W had always kind of been vaguely on my radar.
I had watched, you know, whatever games were on TV,
which weren't very many back then, and when it was
first when I was a kid, whenever I was first
growing up, I would hear them on the radio back
here in New York too, but it had fallen off.
And then I said, Okay, I love basketball, I want
to support women's sports. Let me sign up for seventeen dollars.
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And I started watching and it was instantly digestible in
a way that lots of other sports aren't because there
are twelve teams and there are one hundred and forty
four athletes at the time, and I realized I knew
from just watching Sports Center every night before I fell asleep,
and you know, seeing four episodes a night, that I
would I knew players from every team already, basically, So
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it was really easy at the time. And the Liberty
weren't very good my local team, so I was able
to find joy in watching a lot of the other
teams play. And I was just going to games at
the time. I was going up to Westchester. I was
doing that drive up to Westchester in the dark years
for the Liberty, and I was just playing around and
writing recaps basically for the games I was going to.
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And I saw Twitter posting saying that it was a
site called be Ball Writers, which has been shuttered for
four or five years now, and they were doing NBA
content and said, we want to branch out to.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
The w BIT.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
So I did that. I did that for a while,
covered the whole league, and then in twenty twenty, I
was able to with nets Republic get a credential for
the first time and I covered through the COVID years. Yeah,
that first COVID year was all remote and then Barclays
ever since and got to see the Liberty go from
two and twenty to winning a championship in that time,
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which has been really a linear journey that you don't
normally get in this industry.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And I do.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
I have to supplement it with a day job, with
a forty hour week day job, which is somewhat of
the struggle, but I think that's what a lot of
us are doing as independent creators. And I as a
fan of men's sports growing up, I never wanted to
know more about those athletes. That was always kind of
the ten shame is perform on the field, but please
let me not know where your dollars are going off
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of the field. And when I got into covering the
w and covering these athletes, these are just so many
stories that are never told, and these are so many
people that are incredible, and being a small voice for them,
using my platform and being a conduit for telling those
stories is just something that it just marries my passion
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for storytelling and for just everything amazing that they're doing.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, it's really interesting, so many things in there, but
particularly on the women's side, because there's a dearth of
coverage and content. You can decide how you want to
bring something to the space, as opposed to being told,
usually by a boss, what's needed for that site or
how you're going to fit in in this sort of
pyramid of probably lots of folks that are all covering
the same thing, and what's your niche part of it?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And the other thing is.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
You're right Like a lot of times, I don't like
learning too much about the male athletes on my favorite
teams because then I get sad, and then I don't
want to root for them anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
That's not to say all of them.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
There's some wonderful athletes on the men's side, but unfortunately
some of the enabling and the culture around men's sports
allows them to not cultivate character, let's say it that way.
And on the women's side, what we often find is
that they are needing to be so much more well
rounded in order to supplement their sports income. Become very interesting, fascinating,
and often dedicated to causes and things outside of sport
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that make them more admirable than you might imagine before
you get to know them. Really quick follow up for you,
because I love that you talked about the very clear
through line from like moving on up like Westchester to Barclays.
They even like I loved that they had their old
mascot like walk across the bridge Maddie the Labrador retriever
over to Brooklyn to help pass the torch to Ellie
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and the new mascot in the new timeline that was
starting in Brooklyn. For those who maybe just got into
the w in the last couple of years, can you
paint a picture, a brief one of what Liberty games
in Westchester look like versus what we now know at Barclays.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
So luckily I got to witness the some of the bigger,
some of the horror stories from afar, some of the
worst of it because I was in the stands and
there was there was no bad seat. But I've heard players,
I've heard media, lots of people talk about just how
bad the facilities were. I just got to see how
bad the court was. So that was my experience in
the parking lot. I sat in that for hours and hours.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
But it was rough.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
It felt like this was not a place that a
professional basketball team should be playing, and that was the case.
My wife is from Westchester and they used to do
like science fares there and it became during COVID it
became like a vaccine center like that is where professional
basketball players from across the entire league were being sent
to play. So for them to then go from that
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to the Bubble to then the Barclay Center where there
was a dedicated locker room and there was a practice
court on site, it was just night and day, and
that I think was a big part of resurrecting the
franchise as well.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
And I think also they always say it's not bad
to be poor, it's bad to be rich and then poor.
So to start at MSG Madison Square Garden where the
Knicks play and be like we're legit, and then be like,
now we're going to send you to Westchester, that part
of it was I think especially hard. Oh how about you,
How did you get started in the women's sportspace.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Yes, so I covered the women's basketball team at Northeastern
when I was a freshman there in twenty fourteen, and
that was when I started like really watching the WNBA
getting into women's sports. I remember watching the Link Sparks
Finals while I was in college. But I would say,
like the major turning point for me I was working
in men's sports at this point, working for the Boston Globe,
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covering every sport under the sun, all the Boston teams,
and I think the year it really turned and my
fandom like went to another level was twenty seventeen the
NCAA tournament, like the Morgan Williams shot to me against
Yukon is the most iconic thing ever. And that was
like the first time I was like, oh, I am
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like a diehard fan, like this is making me feel
things that men's sports have never made me feel before.
And that was the year Asia one at all. And
then I'd say the next year, which is my senior
year of college, I fell in love with the Notre
Dame team like Jackie Young, Arik Gooballe, Marina Maybury.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Speaking of iconic shots exactly.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
Yeah, have plenty to choose from with that couple of
years of NCAA tournaments, and so then I was just
like a diehard fan and I was fully, fully into it.
Asia and Jackie ended up both going to the Aces,
which was like fun for me because they were my
two favorite players in college. I'll follow Jackie and Asia
wherever they go. If they go anywhere, that's another podcast.
(24:28):
But yeah, so I'm working in men's sports at the
time in Boston and a bit of a toxic place
to cover sports, Like just so much toxicity in the
in the men's sports there, And so when COVID hit,
I was just kind of looking for a way that
I could still cover sports the combine something I really
really loved, but feel better about it, and also be
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able to do more of the stories I wanted to do.
Like as much as I loved writing, you know, game
stories about Red Sox games that would end at twelve
thirty in the morning on deadline as they hold the
print edition to get your story, and it's like, I'd
love to spend more time on features and really dive
into certain players who, like Miles was saying, haven't really
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had their stories told in a way that a Red
Sox player has had his story told one hundred times over.
And so when COVID hit, it was kind of like
the time that I just slid in and got credentialed,
started covering and just building from there. And yeah, this
is my sixth season covering the league and couldn't be
happier about it.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, for those who are not familiar with the Boston
men's sports scene as someone who's been the target of
at least one of those radio stations on numerous occasions,
which might be the most toxic in the country. And
then this is also the place where the Robert Kraft
Happy Ending story was essentially a bunch of bros from
Boston coming out and being.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Like, who among us? Haven't we all? And was like,
I don't know if you need to do that.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I think you know, you could just sit this one
out if you don't want to criticize. Don't know if
we need to all offer up that that's just an
everyday thing for all of them out of Boston. How
did y'all find each other and meet in the space
and then decide to do a podcast?
Speaker 6 (26:09):
Miles, So we did not know that we were both
located in New York, but we were both writing for
Winsider and that was what was that Owen twenty twenty one,
two twenty one. Yeah, So I was at that point credentialed,
but Owen, who is now affectionately called by Liberty CMPR
road Team Owen, hadn't yet applied for a credential because
(26:33):
he was like, I don't want to really I'm not
going to come here and just cover the Liberty. So
at that point I had had season tickets from before
I was credentialed, and I was just like basically handing
them out to people because I had to sit in
my assigned seat, and I had given Owen some tickets,
and then we got to talking and we were at
the same site. But I'm born and raised New Yorker,
Brooklyn my whole life, and Owen had been born here
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and then left and then came back by choice after
he was able to finally flee Boston, and so we
really bonded in just wanting to be in Brooklyn so much.
And there's nothing else if you're two straight white guys
to do in Brooklyn besides start a podcast. So that
was the national next step.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
You actually just went to get coffee and someone handed
you guys mics and they were like, you guys are
behind You have.
Speaker 7 (27:19):
To start exactly.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Yeah, it's just a checklist of cliches. And then in
the interim, Owen joined a band just to continue checking
off those those cliches. But yeah, it just kind of
grew from there and we we have a really good rapport.
We found that we had a lot of things. Oh
in for a while, I was living far from Berkleys
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and he was closer, so I would drive him home
after games. And now I'm closer and he's far there,
so he drives me home a lot of the times,
and we would just chat for like forty five minutes
in front of our apartments and we were like, yeah,
we should probably slap a microphone here and just have
some of these takes. So yeah, real romance. And we're
really lucky to have found each other in this space
(28:02):
because we also kind of keep each other grounded, I
think as much as possible because we need you. I'm
sure you know this. You need like a thousand group
chats to be like is this okay to send? Is
this not? And I think Owen takes me out of
my comfort zone and I pull him back towards my
comfort zone when he's a little bit out of pocket.
So it's a good balance.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, we love we love the group chat where we
can be like this is a safe space, right. I
got to run something by y'all and see if I
can put it out in public or not. So for
those how familiar, ow can you share a little bit
about Windsider where both y'all contribute.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
Yeah, Windsider's been around for a long time, originally w
Insider and now Winsider, And yeah, it's just somewhere where
I feel like I've written a lot of stories and
Miles has written a lot of stories that were super
proud of. We have an incredible graphics guy, Chris, who
just makes the site look so so beautiful. Probably like
(28:55):
my favorite piece I've ever written was about Jackie Young
no surprise based on my previous answer, and I did
like a deep, deep dive into her whole life and
the art for that piece was like so stunning, and
it just made me feel very proud to like have
put something like that out there. But yeah, it's just
(29:16):
a space where you know, a lot of people are
kind of not kind of are extremely passionate about the
WNBA and in that vein are doing it on the side,
like doing full time work, not for full time pay,
and I think, you know, a lot of a lot
of great work has been put out over the years.
(29:37):
Some people have gone on to work for teams. There
are people in front offices now who are winside or vents.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
So Miles, when I bummed into at WNBA All Star.
You mentioned that you had paid your own way out there,
So inasmuch as you're willing to share, can you help
us understand how sustainable it is for folks to try
to cover women's sports and independent sites like you do,
where you're freelancing, maybe some places regularly, other places one offs.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
It really is a privilege to be able to do it,
to be able to hold down a full time job,
and to have a very supportive wife who is very patient,
especially with all of the late nights. And when we
first started dating and living together, we were in a
six hundred square foot Bushwick apartment and she was working.
(30:22):
She was in grad school, so she was in like
year three or four of a PhD program, and she
was working in prepping classes until like two in the morning,
and so it wasn't such a big deal when I
was also doing all of my writing until two in
the morning. And then after she finished that program, she's like, wait,
but now I want to hang out. And that's kind
of been a tension that I am always aware of,
(30:45):
but that she's always reminding me, like, this is what
you want to be doing, and this is kind of
this is your passion and you're supplementing a day job.
And I'm very lucky to be fully remote and to
have a job that kind of ebbs and flows with
the season. So the summer is typically slower months, but
there will be days and Owen knows this when we
(31:07):
go and cover a game and I have to go
home and put in three more hours of work before
I could call it at night. So it is stressful
in that part. And I don't think that that's something
that really gets talked about a lot in this space,
is how difficult it is to make the money work
if that's your sole source of income. I also have
way too much anxiety about being just full time freelancer.
(31:30):
I know that there are a lot of people that
can live that life and that can just be accountable
in that way, and I'm just not one of those people.
And I remember I was actually listening to your show.
It was about a month ago when you had Lindsay
Gibbs on, and she was talking about about being accountable,
self accountable, and I jotted down a quote because she said,
(31:50):
you need infrastructure to be successful, and I don't have
infrastructure as an individual, and that resonated with me so much.
I went to grad school for my MFA because I
needed I was like, I'm not going to write if
no one is telling me I have to write. I
go to PT much longer than I have to because
I know I'm not going to do the exercises on
my own. There's all of that where I just need
(32:12):
I just need that push. So that's kind of why
having a home base for freelancing is great. But I
could also then seek out other opportunities and I've gotten
to work on a ton of cool stuff. I just
finished a piece for Flagrant magazine that's going to be
coming out when their next issue. I love Flagrant. I
have worked with two K recently on some of their
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WNBA content SLAM. There have been so many bylines that
I'm super proud of in this space, and that all
came from these independent opportunities. So it's really cool to
just see my growth in this space reflected in just
some of the people that are around me that I
really respect, and the fact that I got married on
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day one of the finals in twenty twenty three, and
I had a table of WNBA media there covering the
WNBA So that's just like how much of this sport
has has really just bled into the rest of my
life in a way that I'm so grateful for, and
that after you're thirty, it's really hard to find new friends.
So I've also now kind of adopted a whole new
(33:18):
just a whole new family through covering the w and that's.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Just really cool.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
We got to take a quick break more with Miles
and Owen right after this. You know, the current WNBA
media landscape is better, Well it's it's good and bad.
It is thrilling, it is dire esqueet time. So I
want to start with the positive though. There are more views,
(33:45):
more clicks, more fans to serve, more mainstream interest. So, Owen,
how have the last few years of growth affected your
life and your coverage and how you're able to sort
of figure out how to make it worth both financially
and also just the opportunities that you have to make
content pece people consume.
Speaker 7 (34:01):
Yeah, that's such a fantastic question. I find it funny.
Miles has a little smile because I'm probably the more
cynical of our podcast, So like, I like that I'm
being put in the position to answer the positive question
because I do think, you know, it is a two
sides of the same coin type of situation. But I'm
(34:22):
just so thankful kind of, as Miles said, to have
a platform in general, and like, you know, even though
I can be cynical, I try to make especially my
Twitter and the stuff I put out publicly, like incredibly
positive just surrounding the players, because that is why I'm
in the space, and that is why I love it.
And I think to that end, over the last couple
(34:42):
of years, there's such an appetite for women's sports coverage,
for just discussion surrounding it. Like it doesn't even have
to be this perfectly crafted column or whatever. It could
just be like someone starting a discussion. It could be
running into someone and them being inquisitive about what's going on,
and that is so so cool to me. And then professionally,
(35:05):
it definitely has given me more opportunities. Like from a
freelance perspective, I think I've been writing for this sub stack,
The Contrarian, and they they just do a great job
of basically giving me a platform to write write columns
about stuff that is at the intersection of where women's
sports is at currently and the world at large, and
(35:27):
there's so much that we can talk about when it
comes to that, like the x's and o's are super fun.
I kind of entered this space back in twenty twenty
wanting to be like the Zaclo of the WNBA, you know,
like break down the plays and stuff, and then quickly
I realized like that wasn't going to be fulfilling to me.
And also like, and there's such a space for that
(35:48):
coverage too. I don't want to don't want to make
it seem like it's not, but I realized that what
I'm best at is is columns and features and like
diving deep into stuff, and in the last couple of years,
like there's a need for it. It's not just that
there's an appetite for it, but like there's a need
for people kind of stepping up and being hey, what's
going on isn't okay in some regards? And these players
(36:11):
deserve so much more, And these fans who've just entered
this space and entered it in bad faith need to
be checked, et cetera, et cetera. And I appreciate kind
of the journalism community for acknowledging that and forgiving giving
me space to write, yeah, and to cover these things.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
You at the tail end of your attempt at positivity
arrived us at the negative side, which was well done
by you. I'm going to get into that in one second.
But because Miles did give us a little bit of
know thy self therapy moment about his need for self infrastructure,
I wonder if you could briefly tell us why you
tend to be cynical. Why are you the one who's
always going that way?
Speaker 7 (36:51):
That's a great question. I think I think I'm like
very anti capitalist, and so I'm just always like always
wanting to fight for the players, the workers, et cetera.
And so that always manifests and like me getting a
text from the league and like very friendly. The league
want to make that very clear, but like hey that
tweet like blah blah blah, Like yeah, but like the
(37:13):
players like they deserve this, etcetera, etcetera. So it's like
all very friendly. But I think I think that I
don't know, my family would say it's because I'm an aries.
I don't know what that means, but I think that
might have something to do with it. Uh, definitely, Boston,
definitely my experience, Like when you said the Boston radio
stations like they they had a full couple days of
like reading my tweets on EI and the sports and like,
(37:37):
I'm sure the people who are in your replies were
in my replies, and so again stuff like that where
I'm just like, this isn't like how it's supposed to
be or how it should be. Like this, we're all
here because it's a game and it's fun, and this
got so toxic, and so I think, like, instead, my
response when things like that happen is to like dig in,
which for better or worse.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Well, let's talk about that negative side, Miles. If you're
usually the positive guy, I'm going to force you to
go to the dark side. This unprecedented amount of coverage
now includes a tremendous amount of fake news, misinformation, false quotes,
completely uninformed people reacting insanely to things that they don't understand,
things like a quote about Team Clark that is then
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read as a shot at Caitlin Clark because they don't
even know what Team Clark is.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
That they don't even know what the.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
W is practically, So, Miles, what can we do about
that side of things?
Speaker 6 (38:31):
Oh, that is a very loaded question, because I think
that the W is kind of just a microcosm of
the world at large, and we've got so many issues
with media and with social media and the fact that
everybody has access to a computer where they can just
spew out their thoughts. They can create a blog, they
can send out a tweet, and that is all you
(38:52):
need to do with For seven dollars a month, you
could buy a verified check mark and amplify all that
mess And I think when I talked about Owen being
very helpful to me, his experiences in Boston have really
set him up for this last couple of years of
the WNBA when all of these bad faith actors came in.
(39:13):
And you know, he wrote a great column at over
at the Contrarian about Angel Reese, and all that meant
was that his entire mentions blew up for the next
like three days in a way that like I would
have died, I would have just shut down all of
the devices, never logged on again. You never would have
heard from me, and that would have been it for me.
And just seeing how he was able to cherry pick
(39:35):
his favorite and respond to those those hateful messages in
a way that was just really it was cathartic for him,
and it was terrifying for me, but in kind of
learning that, but just watching how in the last couple
of years, I think there's so much positive growth that
is being obscured by those few bad faith actors who
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just happened to be the loudest, and there are there's
so many incredible stories being told, even from you, your
Caitlin fans and your Angel fans and your Page fans
and these new generations that feel like they did not
have a voice. And I feel for Caitlin in when
she's used as an avatar for some of these fans
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that just want to see a straight white woman excelling
at a sport that's predominantly queer black women, and that
sometimes is all there is to it. And that's been
the biggest struggle for me from a coverage perspective. And
I'm like, part of me wants to just keep my
head down and keep doing the work I'm doing and
hopefully that drowns out some of the noise. But then
(40:41):
I hit a breaking point where I feel like I
need to respond, where we need to have conversations or
bring people onto our podcast that could speak to some
of these issues much better than Owen and I can
because that's just we can sympathize with so much of this,
but we can't empathize we don't know when something is
true agering if we haven't directly experienced it as much
(41:03):
as we want to, and we want to do everything
we can to try to be, you know, the smallest
light in that space while also not putting down any
of the players ourselves, or at least that's my that's
my perspective, and I think it's thinking about where it
was a couple of years ago. A barometer, a weird
(41:24):
barometer for me is like my in laws asking about
Britney Griner. That was the only question three years ago
whenever anything with the WNBA came up, and then it
was what's going on with Caitlin? Why does everybody hate her?
And now it's grown into and part of that I
think is the local success of the Liberty, But it's
(41:44):
grown into oh I see that the Liberty are on
a wind streak or oh no, John Cuell Jones is out.
What news do you have that you can share with me?
And I'm like, nothing that you won't find if you
don't log onto Twitter. But like that, seeing that conversation
grow has been cool because it's about basketball, way off
it way more often now than it was a couple
of years ago.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yeah, there's a lot more of the good stuff, which
is great.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
It just brought with it a lot of the bad stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
And unfortunately, unlike in more established sports and predominantly men's sports,
when people get things really wrong, there isn't this mass
of folks arriving to tell them that they're wrong or
what they're saying is inaccurate, or to send them a
story about what's actually true.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
So it's just messier.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
There is so much mess and there aren't enough established
outlets doing it right and doing it well that they
can counteract that. In fact, some of the outlets that
you normally would assume would be places you could get
accurate and smart coverage are not well informed on the
w and are contributing to the problem by having writers
who will write dumb shit about Kelsey Plum saying team
(42:49):
Clark wasn't present, and then they actually write a story
about her taking a shot at Caitlyn Clark too, and
you're like, wait, this is fill in the blank of
a name. I'm not going to call it, but this
is an outlet that should know better than that, and
then that looks legit of people who don't know the space.
So we're kind of running out of time here, and
I want to ask you, Owen, what are your go
to places for legit reporting and smart coverage other than
(43:11):
your own, Like where do you go and think like
I know this is going to be good and this
is going to be right.
Speaker 7 (43:15):
Oh, great question. Yeah, I love ending it on On
that note. Nikaias Duncan is someone who I think does
not get enough credit in the space just in general,
someone who's just as smart as it gets about basketball.
Him and Steve Jones Junior. We've had them both on
our podcasts a number of times. And you know when
I said earlier, like I realized that that type of
(43:37):
X's and O's coverage wasn't my lane, Like they are
so amazing at it, but also with an ability to
speak about stuff beyond basketball, I think I think it's
it's it's like specific people. I want to shout out.
Our friend Tarika Foster Brasby just does such exceptional coverage everywhere,
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and I'm so thankful that we met her in this space.
There is a lot of good independent journalism happening Lucas
Kaplan in market here covers the Liberty incredibly well alongside Miles.
So like when you when you know where to find it,
and of course this is gonna be a situe I'm
(44:17):
trying to fill a buster because there's gonna be like
ten names when we finish reporting. Why did I shout
them out as well? Flagrant Magazine that Slam has always
done such a great job, like having a byline and
Slam was was such a dream come true. So there
is amazing work being done out there, and it just
(44:38):
sometimes it's harder to find it.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Well, if you remember some, you can always email them
to me and I'll throw them at the end of
the show for people to follow.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
So don't stress too much. You'll you'll have, you know,
a lot of bit of time for it to come
to you. Miles, you got a couple names.
Speaker 6 (44:52):
I wanted to just yeah, I was going to add
obviously we spoke about I brought up Lindsay before. Huge
fan of everything that Lindsay does and just kind of
building the world out. Katie Barnes is someone else who
I think is the best feature writer in I mean,
but for my money, in basketball World. Yeah, in the world.
So everything that Katie's doing is so exciting. I'm going
(45:14):
to just going to show love to the Independence. So
I mean it's you're seeing not just it with Windsider,
but you're seeing your her hoop stats put out content
and seeing them get to the platform where they're being
shouted out on broadcasts is really amazing. The just the
teams of people that are at I think all the Independence,
(45:35):
but at ESPN they've actually done a better job in
recent years, I think in bringing in basketball voices that
are either if it's a former player like Chaday or
if it's somebody like Alexa Philippoho who started as a
beat writer up with the Connecticut Sun and has just
grown and grown that it's cool to see a bigger
outlet really recognize talent for that space instead of just saying, okay,
(46:00):
we have NBA, let's just drag them over to the
w space, which is unfortunately when a lot of these
bigger platforms have done.
Speaker 7 (46:08):
So.
Speaker 6 (46:08):
I think those are just a couple of names that
come to mind. But yeah, I was hoping I was
off the hook.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Here, all right.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Last question. We do our own version of bench start cut.
It is called good Gooder goodest. You don't have to
cut anything because this is good game. We don't want
to cut anything, but something does have to just be good.
So give me these in the order of good.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Gooder, goodest miles.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
You go first, Nafisa Colliers fade away in the paint,
Page Becker's mid range, Jay sabrinigan Escu's deep three.
Speaker 6 (46:41):
Ooh okay, well, I already have links fans mad at me,
so I feel like I should just stay on that
train just by being a liberty reporter. So I think,
and seeing Fee and JJ go at each other in
the paint with Fata waves is great, But I think
I'm going to start with Fee there. I might have
to just stay in the order you're there. I might
(47:02):
have to go Fee good that page midi, which is
already one of the most efficient mid range shots, which
again might not be a great basketball shot, but is
if you can shoot that efficiently is a great shot.
That's a gooder. And then the Sabrina deep three, especially
at the Barclay Center, just hits different that watching her
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warm up every game, you're watching like thirty forty threes
drop in a row, and she's practicing from that that
four four point story range from All Star and one
of the coldest shots I've ever seen in my life
was traveling out to Minnesota for Game three and seeing
sab knock that one down was a really cool moment
to then get to talk to the athlete five minutes
(47:45):
after that and report on.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
So all right, So Miles is an incredible homer as expected,
huge homer. Also, Owen and I both.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Gave the exact same look when he made Fees fade away,
which is unstoppable.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
The good talk about a hater. There's a podcast Good
Good or Goodest Go.
Speaker 7 (48:07):
I am gonna redeem him. And also I just want
to thank you because every time I see the start
bench cut, I'm just like, we're out here cutting Lisa Leslie,
like what are we doing? Like what is this? So
this is great? I don't have to cut anything. And yes,
I'm going to go the complete opposite order of Miles.
I'm gonna I'm gonna say good Sabrina deep three. Look,
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if it's like Game three of the Finals last year,
then then it has to elevate. But in general incredible.
She hits some last night as well. Uh, Paige Midi Gooder,
the the the bag work the other night that like
double crossover into that feed away just absolutely silly against
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New York. So like Page Page is a superstar, but
come on, I mean, no Fisa in the pate with
the step back has to be goodest, like legitimately the
most unstoppable shot in all of that.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, yeah, v thank you, thank you. I'm not supposed
to have judgment at these these are your subjective opinions,
but you're right, Owen, so that's good.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Thank you guys both so much for coming on. We
really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Keep up the great work, and hopefully we'll send a
lot of folks to go read your stuff and listen
to your pod and keep the clicks coming.
Speaker 6 (49:18):
Thank you, Sarah, Thank you so much, Sarah.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
We got to take another break. When we come back.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Mix Strengths done wrong, stick around, welcome back slices. We
always love that you're listening, but we want you to
get in the game every day too, So here's our
good game play of the day. Follow Owen and Miles
on social media and check out their podcast, pull Up
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with Owen and Miles. They also sent us the names
of a few more content creators that they love and appreciate.
Which included The Washington Post, Kareem Copeland, Christina Williams, host
of the iHeart Podcast, in case you missed it, the
Las Vegas review Journals, Callie Finn, the Athletics, Ben Pickman.
You've heard from most of those folks on this show,
so you already know how great they are. We'll link
to all those folks in the show notes, along with
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the reporters they mentioned in the interview.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Also a quick.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
Reminder, since it is August somehow already, don't forget. August
twenty third is the Diana Tarasi Bench unveiling in Door County.
I'll be posting some stuff on social media with more
details about timing and location and everything else. But mark
your calendars if you're anywhere near Wisconsin and you want
to make it out and celebrate and hang out with
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(50:31):
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subscribe a rate and review. It's easy watch accidentally putting
downers in your uppers rating a ten out of ten
excuse for that midday buzz your boss called you out
on review. On July twenty ninth, high Noon, the very
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Much Alcoholic Seltzer brand revealed that it had accidentally.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Put their fruity boozy brew.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Into empty cans of very much non alcoholic Celsius energy drink.
Now Allegedly, a packaging supplier that the two brand share
mistakenly sent the empty Celsius cans to high Noon, who
accidentally filled them with vodka Seltzer. Specifically, two production lots
of the high Noon Beach variety packs might include mislabeled
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cans of Celsius astro Vibe, so folks sitting at work
grabbing it up or to kick that three PM drowsy
feeling are actually getting an early start to happy hour.
Celsius describes the affected flavor astro Vibe sparkling blue ras
addition as quote inspired by the infinite adventure of space travel.
But I'm guessing some execs look into fuel an all
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nighter or Jim Bros. Trying to pump up their energy
before a workout might end up on a different kind.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Of trip altogether.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Celsius cracked a few jokes about it on social media,
including posting cans of blue ras with quote, tag your friends,
it's happy hour funny, but there might be some no,
not so funny outcomes to this. I don't know folks
in recovery, accidentally falling off the wagon, someone using the
error to try to fight a dui in court. For now,
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just to be safe, channel a forty plus woman scheduling
a mammogram and double check those cans. Now it's your turn,
rate and review. Thanks for listening, y'all, see you tomorrow.
Good game, Owen, good game, Miles you to those fans
given sex toys a bad name. Good Game with Sarah
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