October 27, 2025 • 41 mins
This week, Granger and AntMan sit down for a Halloween conversation that turns into something much deeper. They start by laughing about neighborhood decorations, haunted houses, and their childhood memories of trick-or-treating — but the discussion soon shifts toward what Halloween really represents and how Christians should think about it today.
Granger shares what led him to skip Halloween this year and walks through the history of the holiday, from its ancient Celtic roots to the traditions we see now. He reads from Scripture and talks about how believers can respond to cultural celebrations that seem harmless on the surface but have darker origins underneath.
Together, they explore what it means to “abstain from every form of evil” without falling into fear or legalism. The conversation ends with a powerful reminder that following Christ isn’t about rules or appearances — it’s about freedom, discernment, and learning to love what is good.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm gonna skip Halloween this year. Let me tell you why. Okay,
so the Man's back. We're gonna do this podcast today
Halloween style because Halloween's coming up.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah, this Friday, This Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
As the podcast drops of the podcast laughed before we.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hit I'm gonna talk the whole time.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
This low everybody. Everybody seems to be doing the the
spooky addition of whatever they're doing.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, you don't have a neighborhood. I mean you do,
but it's like much more spread out than my neighborhood. Yeah,
but I haven't noticed any decorations out.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
That's really interesting about living in the country because as
I've gone to see friends in neighborhoods, you're kind of
reminded that Halloween is near and that there are decorations everywhere.
In fact, we went to Amber and I did a
double date with our friend the other day. Our friends
and like going through their neighborhood. You see the them now,
(01:06):
you see the massive demons. Yes, you've seen these.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Oh, they're like fifteen feet tall, absolutely terrifying.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Grim reapers. Yeah, skeleton skeleton walking. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
We had one family that lived right on the corner
as you turned in our neighborhood. They used to decorate
like you've seen the houses that go overboard on Christmas,
Like it looks like it's a gingerbread house.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, this was a graveyard. It was every It.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Had witches dancing around a cauldron, it had demons coming
up from the front door or what.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
They've since moved and it feels so much more peaceful
driving into our neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Now, Yeah, you know it's not all decorated.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
There was a guy, you know, probably three miles from here,
but I saw his house. He did that last year.
It was like so decked out. Yeah, but he also,
like our around Halloween, would start dressing up as Satan
stopped with the pinagram on a red black gown and
(02:09):
a red pentagram and like that's how he just operated.
This is like his favorite holiday.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
So where you would have Santa's going exactly exactly, that
takes the place of Santa.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah on June and July, you've got I'm doing this.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Do you think that those people are the same people
that put up the Santa sleigh and the reindeer and
the candy canes.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Well, I found that it was like, I'll just say,
judging from my neighborhood that that house was not This
did not.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Go overboard on Christmas. It was almost to prove a point.
It felt like, Okay, Halloween, we're going to go all out. Christmas,
here's a few lights. Okay, why experienced the opposite?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
No, I actually don't know. Once again, we've lived in
the country for so long Amber and I probably fifteen years,
and so I haven't been in a neighborhood where I
am constantly reminded of the different holidays, be it Easter
or Christmas or Thanksgiving or Halloween. Because, like you said,
(03:14):
you saw and you came in here today, there's literally nothing.
Nobody does a single thing. Well, we put up Christmas lights,
like a lot of people around here put up Christmas lights,
but I don't think there's a single skeleton within five
miles here.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I'm waiting for you to put up the permanent Christmas lights,
those ones that you see.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
We have them on the barn.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Oh you do. I didn't know that we had.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Them on there. About three years ago. We're like, this
is great, Yeah, let's just leave them.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah that's cool.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So good for you that we have We have a
outlet under the awning of the roof that's connected to
a light switch them on.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
That's that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty redneck, but they look great.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
The reason I say this because literally Saturday, our Christmas
tree will be up.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Oh that's a completely different discussion. That's I forgot about
this about you.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
And we do?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
We talk about this on the on the radio show
on After Midnight. But yes, we're we're one of the
and I cannot wait. I'm so ready to put up
the Christmas tree.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Now I'm not.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
It feels weird to think about Christmas right now because
it was ninety two yesterday.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah. So do you have anything Halloween in your yard
right now?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Other than the grass being dead? That's about it. Man
is dead?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Okay, so that no, No, we don't. Okay, you don't.
You don't do this. This is gonna help transition into
this conversation we don't do what about? But first I
want to know before we talk about today, I want
to talk about growing up. Talk about Halloween growing up
for you, And I'll tell you me.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Halloween for growing growing up for me was as you
probably if you spent any time you know that I'm
a big pro wrestling fan. Yes, it was my opportunity
to dress up like a pro wrestler and go out
in public. I did it regardless when I was playing
at the house as a kid with my friends. But
we got to leave the house dressed like Sting with
(05:12):
a face paint, the spiky hair, surfer Steing, and that
was awesome time because then you got candy too.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I had to be a pro wrestler and I got candy.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So the whole you did, the whole thing, trigger treat,
dress up, trigger treat. What about your house. I don't
think that that's right. No, I don't think it was
a decorating holiday.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Growing up.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
We never It was always just a day that that
day you did a bunch of stuff on. You know,
you dressed up, you did your thing, you got your candy,
you went to a new neighborhood, the richer neighborhood where
you get the full candy bars. You know, we had
those in our town growing up, and that's we had
always aimed to go there when you get a little older,
and so we did. But it wasn't a decoration of
(05:54):
any kind. Fall yes, So like.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So you're talking about pumpkins or pumpkins and red and
orange corn.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, and I think even the candy corn came out
around that time, candy corn.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, so we have those in dishes and nobody ate them.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
An it's got to them the ant. Okay, so you're
in our about the same age you're in Oklahoma. In Texas,
in fact, we were probably three hours from each other
growing up.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, you would go out trigger treat, you'd dress up,
you'd get candy, you'd have pumpkins.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
What about it?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Would you carve the pumpkins?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Sometimes yeah, and and and it was more so of
an artistic thing.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Could you make make the pumpkin?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
You know how they do this shadow or do the
the depths that you carve into it and it becomes
lighter in that area and parts that you leave is darker.
And you try to make somebody's face, it doesn't look
like it until you put the candle in it. That
was really it wasn't It wasn't really the scary try
to do a scary kind or someone you know away
or scare away demons or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
The mindset anyway?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Were your parents religious?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I mean yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Was that the reason that you did less than maybe
your neighbors did.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
No, it was that I think, as far as I knew,
it was what we did, what everybody else did.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
There was no there was no house.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
There might have been a house that was scary just
because you know, like, uh, you know, a widower lived there.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
By himself and you know, didn't keep up the yard.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
It was, you know, just an old house and there
are a lot of those in southern Oklahoma where they're
you know, at one point that was maybe a big
house that was nice and it had just been let go.
But there wasn't any anyone that decorated or anyone that
you know, at least that I remember. Never thought about
that un till I got older.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
So I grew up always in a neighborhood growing up,
and always celebrated Halloween. I think if I think about decorating,
we could say one thing about decorations. Right now, the market,
the industry for decorations has gone through the roof big time.
So the like we were talking about the fifteen foot
(08:02):
demons or they didn't have that when we were growing up.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
No, they also didn't have the fifteen foot santas.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
They didn't have the fifteen inflatable Santa with led lights,
you know, casting snow on your house. They didn't have
that stuff, but we we still improvised. Like for Christmas,
we had this was like a thing in our neighborhood.
But we would put out light lights Christmas lights down
our sidewalk and out you know, along the street, and
(08:32):
then we covered them with like clear Dixie cups, okay,
and put like coat hanger ins down into the Dixie
cups and so it made these little glowing cups. And
then all the neighbors did it and they all connected.
Oh interesting, Yeah, But then when we put football in
the yard, we would step on accidently crush them. So
(08:57):
that's kind of an example of we would just kind
of make our own deckors. But we did the same
thing for Halloween. I remember we always dressed up and
we always you know, it was always like an army
man or a football player, Dracula one, you know, because
they had those white teeth that those plastic teeth you
(09:17):
put in and you wear the cape, white face. Yeah,
a little fake blood coming down the you know. So
that was that was or a ghost that was the
easiest one. And as we got older, we remember Tyler
and I we had a two story house, and we
would get up in My bedroom was in the window
(09:37):
right there on the second story in front of the sidewalk,
front of the front porch. So I would get a
basketball and put a sheet over the basketball and then
run a cable from my room down like to the mailbox,
and so I could I could throw that basketball and
run down the cable like at the mailbox as kids
(09:58):
were coming.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Up to the sidewalk. That's funny, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
So we did. We did stuff like that, and then
as I got older, started participating more and more in
like haunted houses. Oh did you We really actually really
got into that. By the time I got the I
was living in Nashville. I was in my low twenties.
I remember Bernie was one of them, you know, he comes.
He used to come to the podcast all the time. Yeah,
uh Be and Bernie and others. We would go and
(10:24):
get the paper which would list the haunted houses, and
we would try to hit like three or four in
one night. We would pick a night to do it, okay,
and we would just which is very expensive because there
you know, at the time, they're like twenty five bucks.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Apart yeah, you're seventy five hundred seventy five.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Seventy five one hundred bucks in if you do three
or four. So we would go through one and be like, oh,
that was pretty good, and then we would go to
another way, Oh that was incredible, and we would go
to another one and we would just we would have
a big like ten or twelve of us would all
do it and all jump in a car or two
cars and kind of caravan and we would take a
night and we did We did this, And so I'm
(11:09):
trying to build this story that yeah, I've always participated
in Halloween. I've always done it.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well, you just reminded me of something that I remember doing.
It was either middle school or high school. Our church
did this thing called Heaven's Gates Hell's Flames.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Have you ever heard of that? No, So I think
there was.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Actually a touring company that went around to different churches
and did this, and they did it around Halloween, and
that's what it was. It would show you you'd go
through the same type of deal. You'd walk through these
areas that would show you depictions of people, you know,
making compromising decisions in their lives and then they end
up in hell with the demons, and it shows in
(11:48):
that and it gives you an opportunity when you come
out to accept Christ and you get to see heaven.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Okay, And so you know, there are a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Of people that that that you know, in the moment,
said that they made this decisions, you know about Christ then.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
But that was something that I remember Church doing. Then.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Something else you reminded me of too, is that Halloween
was for me was always a big deal for movies.
Friday the thirteenth, Yes.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yes, I didn't say that too. Yeah, the was it
called fright Fright Month or Fright Week or fright Fast
something like that. Even on the tour bus we would
the month of October, fright Fest was always on v
watch the movies. It's like A and E or something
like that, or what's.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
The Okay, what's the.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
There's a channel anyway, I can't think of it off
the top of my head. Anyway, we always have fright
Fest on and just kind of on loop. So you
think of like a Saturday afternoon, you think of football
and Fright Fast just kind of coexisting in the month
of October. Let's see what else. Yeah, as far as
(12:53):
Church Trunk Retreat, was a thing I remember at the church.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
We did that at ours and would.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Go and then you can get candy. Our rec center
recreation center which is walking distance from where we lived.
I lived in Dallas, and they have alleys in Dallas,
so we would walk down the alley. Oh yeah, yeah, okay,
and then I have alleys in this.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Area, so you would do your trick or treating.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
No, no, the one was in the front. But we
would do all our walkings, like to the rec center.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Take the alleys. Yep, that was the quick way.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
So the rec center would have a little haunted house.
You can go there and they would decorate it and
you you know, go through and you know, be scared.
Put your hand in the spaghetti and supposed to be brains,
things like.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That, peel grapes.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah yeah, that's eyeballs. So yeah. And then fast forward
to to our kids kind of always taken them and
when they were young, when London and Lincoln were very young,
we would take that. Although we lived in the country,
we would go to friends' houses, dress up as toy
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story character.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
That you guys had.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I remember seeing these posts the best family costumes.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I don't know by that.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Absolutely what was it. I wanted to say it was
when you were you Robin one time.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, I feel like we had heard the Batman.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Batman that was one of the best. Yeah. I thought
some of these ones that at least they were to me,
we weren't doing that.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
So I would see the post, you know, when we
were just casual friends and see what is grains are
going to be this year and see the family it's fun.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
So I don't remember there ever being in my life
someone that said they didn't participate.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I don't want to say celebrate, don't didn't participate in Halloween.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I don't ever.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I didn't have that person. Oh well, maybe there was
one guy named Andy that lived on our street and
it was like he was our age. My friend David
just reminded me of this. But when we were little,
their family was like they were the homeschooling family. The
mom was like, you know, thick rimmed glasses and a
(15:12):
long cotton dress and the house smelled like mothballs. Yeah
and yeah, Andy didn't do Halloween.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Okay, but he do on Halloween.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I don't remember because the light off maybe my brain,
you know, it's when I think back on memories like that.
I'm like a thinking about horse blinders on I didn't
I didn't ask, and I didn't really think about it,
didn't think too much. I don't think Andy did it,
but but maybe Andy also didn't tell me that he didn't.
So they just kind of went dark.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
They didn't preach against it, they just didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. So other than Andy, I
don't can't think of anyone that ever said they didn't
participate in Halloween. Now in twenty twenty five, I know
many people. Maybe it's the circle I run in, but
I know many people that don't. I also think social media,
in all of it's in all the bad things about it,
(16:08):
I think it has brought a lot of awareness that
we might not have had before of people saying I'm
not going to we're not doing Halloween this year, and
here's why, here's ten reasons why, or whatever. There is
now a platform for the average person to say that
because the local news, the local paper is not going
(16:29):
to run that story. Right when we're growing.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Up, Yeah, there's not gonna be an article in there
about it.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
If you're trying to get a gift for someone that
you think has everything. How about a special video message
from me. It's easy to do. Go to cameo dot
com slash granger Smith and you put in the prompt
what you want me to say. I get that message
on my phone. I'll say happy birthday, happy anniversary, whatever
personalized message you want me to say to whoever you
want me to say it to. I send it to
you and you give it to them. It's pretty cool.
(17:01):
Go to cameo dot com slash granger Smith. So let's
unpack this. I got a and all this is obviously
I should say, this is always different when you're when
you're saved by our Lord and you come to a
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saving faith, and and this is this happens, as Ephesians
two says, when we were dead in our trespasses, no
pun intended dead. This happens when we're dead in our
trespasses and made alive in Christ. And this is this
is by grace. We're saying through faith, this is not
our own doing. It's a gift of God, not a
result of works, So that no man may boast. And
(17:45):
after that we walk in obedience, and we are sanctified
by His word, and we are we slowly start to
realize what would be pleasing to God, and it matters
to us, not because we're working towards our salvation, but
we're working from it, right, so correct we're saved and
(18:06):
we work outward from that, not forward towards that. That's
very important because we legalism, which might have been what
Andy was, maybe is more dangerous than the evil of Halloween.
I could assure you that because it's much more deceptive
and not it's not seen. It's a it's a rotten
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apple from the inside and you can't tell because the
outside is clean like a pharisee. Okay, So after I'm
saved and I'm working out from the salvation as it
just described, then you start to think about all the
other things in life that you're doing, Halloween being one.
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You and I have talked before. Remember we talked about Christmas.
We did the Desabler podcast on should we celebrate Christmas?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah? Is it pagan holiday?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
And we recognized that the Puritans did. They didn't celebrate
any holiday except Thanksgiving right Thanksgiving. That seems like the
Puritans as they came to the New World, they celebrated
Thanksgiving because it was kind of not connected to anything.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
They just stayed away from everything else.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
They stayed away from Christmas, Easter, stayed away from Easter,
stayed away from, of course.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Halloween, definitely Halloween.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
They and and why do they celebrate Why didn't they
celebrate Christmas? Well, they felt like it had pagan roots,
and they and it it was taking away from the
story of Christ. They felt like, you should always celebrate
the birth of Christ, the incarnation which God became flesh
and dwelt among us, the Emmanuel God with us comes
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to comes into his own creation. That's the story of
the birth of Christ. They're like, shouldn't we celebrate this
every single day? And then the story of Easter when
you know, Christ is resurrected, and and the Puritans would say,
shouldn't we celebrate the resurrection every day? Shouldn't we celebrate
the incarnation and the resurrection every day, not just one day,
(20:09):
not just one day. Would it be weird to celebrate
it just one day? And so so we got to
say that with then the Puritans, of course, they revolted
against Halloween. Let me read now some information that our
friends over it looking up for him, looking up the
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number four him sent me some research here on Halloween Halloween,
they say, and I trust this research is actually not
the correct name for October thirty first, It is All
Hallowed Saints Eve. So where does it come from? Well,
two thousand years ago, demon worship being cut Celts in
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England and Europe had a festival called sam Hayne Sane
meaning summer and fu In meaning ending. It was a
feast of the dead, where ritual fires were burned and
skeletons and symbols of death were prominently displayed. The Druids
or Celtic priests believed the Lord of the Death gathered
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the souls of the evil dead and condemned them to
enter animals, and that the living should lessen their suffering.
That the living could lessen their suffering by offering sacrifices, prayers,
and gifts on their behalf. This is basically outright spirit
witt spiritualism, right in witchcraft. So then a long cubs
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to Catholic Church in the Middle Ages condemning this is
a demonic festival, and they tried to replace it by
making September first All Saints Day, and then immediately began
their own practice of praying for their dead trapped in purgatory.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
The night before October thirty first.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
By the eighteen hundreds, it was customary to assembol at
midnight on Hallow Eve, take special bread called souls to
the cemeteries and place it on graves for the dead,
and light candles on the graves and in windows to
guide the dead. So that's the door to door thing
in the windows. Oh interesting, Okay, While Satanists and witches
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were up in the in the street, continuing their old age,
their their own age old practice of sacrificing, worshiping the
God of the dead. So then you jump forward forward
to the Pilgrims in the US and the Puritans who
entirely banned Halloween in the New World because it was Satanic.
But then Scottish Irish Catholic immigrants fled to the Potato
(22:39):
because of the Potato famine in eighteen forty five eighteen
forty six and fled into New York and brought their
traditions with them, including the tradition of guysing acting out
what was happening to the dead on that night by
dressing up as spirits of the dead and visiting.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Houses wow trick or treating trick or treating.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
So God's word says, there shall not be found among
you anyone who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or anyone
who interpreted interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or anyone who
conjureds spells, or a medium or a spiritist, or anyone
who calls up for the dead. All these things are
an abomination of the Lord. And then looking up for him,
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did some research speaking to different Satanists, currently former witch's,
former warlocks.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
The ones that are not anymore. Yes, yeah, I got it.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
And so I'm gonna stop and say from this point
this information here, give or take, I don't really care.
This is information from from people that have left witchcraft
today in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
John Ramirez, a former high ranking Satanist and warlocks, spent
twenty five years in witchcraft, including animal offerings and demonic
weddings on Halloween, and he said, why would you put
your kids, your family, and your entire eternity on the
demonic altar? Why'd you bring that curse into your house,
into your family. Genny Weaver, who's a former witch, warns
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that Halloween normalizes occult practices through media and culture, deceiving
even Christians into spiritual compromise. HERMIONEA Galvez, a former occult
and Sentaria follower, says, when you're allowing your children to
participate in Halloween, it opens the door to demonic things
in your life and in their lives, which could be
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more dangerous than you ever might realize. You're desensitizing your
children to evil things, and you're hindering their ability to
discern what is darkness and what is light. Another former
satan has said that Halloween was a night of real
power in the occult world. Rituals had opened doors demonic forces.
Christians participating today are unwittingly inviting the same influences into
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their own homes and lives. So this is this is
the part I pumped the brakes a little bit because
I when I hear stuff like this from a former Satanist,
there there's there's truth to it, but there's also there's
also this this idea that if you are a Christian,
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then you the Holy Spirit is in you sure, and
there is no go ahead.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
That was going to be.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I wanted you to finish that thought, but I was
going to say, what do you What do you say
to a parent who goes I'm just letting my kids
have fun. We're not celebrating Satan. We're not celebrating these things.
We're letting them have fun with other kids and go
go get candy from houses and come home and have fun.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
That way, it's not we're not celebrating.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Will you doing me a favor? And asked me that
question in about five minutes?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
That's what I say, like, I should just let you
finish that thought.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, because I have, I have I kind of have
a wrap up thought to that. Great, because I have
the same question. What if there's a lot of questions
on what if it we just don't take it seriously.
What if we dress up as you know, like Teddy
bears and stuff, there's nothing demon about it.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
What if you went just the complete extreme? And what
if you dressed up as Bible characters?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, anyway, Bible tracks at your house?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
We did.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
We did bags of candy with verses on them. And
that's what we did not last year of.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
The year before.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And inherently I don't think any of those are bad things.
And in fact that I pumped the brakes on hearing
from all the Satanists. I think. Here's one from a
former medium says, Halloween was my high holy day for
channeling the dead. Believers who participate are playing with fire,
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opening spiritual doors that lead to oppression, just as it
did for me before Christ. Yes and no, you know,
yes that that that opens doors, as Jesus would say,
for you know, you you clean the inside of your house,
and seven more spirits come in, you know, and find
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the place cleaner than it was before. And then and
then the second demonic possession is worse than the first. Sure,
but that's not talking about a believer, you know what
I mean. Yep, let's not talking to somebody about somebody
who's fortified with the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
That's someone who's cleaned the inside and didn't fill the
inside with Anything's exactly right. Yeah, where if you are
a believer, the inside is full now.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
So that's why I hear from this medium and I
go yes and maybe no, Yeah, you know it's like
and so where does that leave us? Let's let's get
to that point. Well, let's let's use the Bible. Let's
use the Bible. I like that, you like that Ephesians
five eleven. We'll start here. Take no part in the
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unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them, for it
is it is shameful even to speak at the things
that they do in secret. So when anything is exposed
by the light, it becomes visible. For anything that is
visible by light is of God. So we would take
this and go, why would we partake in works of
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darkness even in jest?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
And you just heard from from ones who have come
out of that that says, oh no, no, no, this day
is very serious to us. When I was a when
I was an o cult leader, when I was a Satanist,
when I was a witch.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
So I'm going to say it now because I don't
want to forget that I'm thinking this right now. Part
of the reason I go, you know, be careful with
the listening to the Satanists and the former occult members.
The Bible gives a lot of warning passages, and I'll
read some of them right now, but we have to
be careful that we are. We're using these warnings to
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press people into the cross and get Christians to hold
fast and stay strong and not discourage them and say
I'm not good enough, because ultimately you're you aren't good enough.
You must have the Holy Spirit and So the warning
passages in the Bible aren't to say you were a Christian,
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but now you let this stuff happen, you're not a
Christian anymore. I don't believe the Bible speaks of that
kind of language. Instead, the warning patches passages in the
Bible are made to transform dead hearts, to make them alive,
and then the hearts that are alive, to keep them steadfast,
stay steadfast, and endure till the end. You know, run
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the race. You know, faith is ongoing. It's not a
one time thing. You don't just accept Jesus and you're done.
It's an ongoing thing. But that these warning passages help
keep us strong, fortified in the race itself. Grails guardrails
from the spirit like that. Not on our own power
we but we're made. He He is what empowers us
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to be fortified for the endurance. Third John. It's not
often you get to quote Third John, but here we go,
h Third John eleven. Do not imitate evil, but imitate good?
Can it be any more clear than that? Do not
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imitate evil? Granger, when you're playing Dracula at thirteen years old,
do not do that? Okay, I don't. I don't I
don't see a way to compromise.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
That at Allah dressing up like demons and witches and.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yep, don't do it. It's all for fun. Don't do it.
Don't do it. I mean we could. And then it
goes on to say, whoever does good is from God.
Whoever does evil has not.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Seemed God exactly. Yep, that's interesting. What do you have
a couple? Yeah? Kind of.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
When I asked that question, I also thought about this
verse in Proverbs fourteen. There's a path before each person
that seems right, but it ends in death.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Seems right. Huh, it seems right.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
It seems right.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, So I would say that be careful of those
things that seem okay and seem right. And I think
that that, like you said, it's more of a guardrail.
Go back and check what you're doing with the word.
Does the word are you shining? Are you on Halloween
shining a light into the darkness? Then I would say
continue shining a light into the darkness. Yeah, But if
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you're doing what you just said and like, hey, we're
just having some fun and dressing up like the characters
from Twilight, well, the characters from Twilight were.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Ones that were based Yeah, yes, right, vampires.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
And then another one I have is the U in
Second Corinthians chapter six. Don't team up with those who
are unbelievers? Who can How can righteous be a partner
with wickedness? And how can light live in darkness? What
harmony can there be between Christ and the devil?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
That's why? Yeah, talking about being a light in it.
Don't look like.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
And act like and be like everything else that's going
on during Halloween.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Also, don't don't you know?
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I would you know, don't set yourself up too for
having what was it when we were kids, if you
didn't have the light on, you didn't do trick or treating,
you either got egged or your screens got soaked.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Did you ever do that or have that happened? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
You can, you can. You can still be what I
didn't have it marked. But you can be in the
world and not of the world.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah. I think that's a good way to think about
Halloween and this holiday is to be you can be
in the world, just not of the world. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Rome Is twelve two. Do not be conformed to this world,
but be transformed by the renewal of your mind.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Amen, And.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
So there's a lot of ways to not conform to it, yep,
to be to be in it and not conforming, and
I think we would well. The Bible also says that
that that solid food is for the mature, for those
who have their their power of discernment trained by constant
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practice to distinguish good from evil. Sure, so this is
what the Word of God does, is we're washed with
the word of God daily intake of the Bible at
some level, whether you're listening to preaching, you're listening to well, no,
not listening to preaching unless it's good expositional preaching. I
don't want to listen to topical preaching as a deal
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daily intake. But I would recommend and actually reading the
Bible daily, never skipping. You know, a man cannot live
in bread alone, but from every word that comes from
the mouth of God. Why would we ever skip a meal?
Why would we ever skip the daily intake of what's
even more important than any meal, that the thing that
sustains us. So if solid food, the Bible says, is
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for the mature, for those who have their powers of
discernment trained by constant practice, reading over and over to
distinguish good from evil. Then that protects you from going
into the world and not being conformed to it. So
the word of God instructs us in these ways and
it trains us. This is where I wanted to go now,
(34:43):
is to your question of you know, like, well, what
do we do, like how do we how do we
think through decorations and costumes and trigger treating?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
First, how can you be in it and not others? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
First Thessalonians verse five twenty two is like, if you
just take that versus it's a very short verse. If
you just take first Thessalonians five twenty two, it doesn't
get any more clear than this to me. I mean,
there are some things that you go, eh, you might
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be interpreting it wrong. It says, abstain from every form
of evil. That's a command from the Apostle Paul. Abstain
stay away from, don't deal with, get away from every meaning,
all forms meaning, different manifestations, different interpretations. Get away from
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all kinds of what might even be thought to be
called evil. You know, like like whatever you're is that
evil or not? Is it a form of it? Is
it a is it a scary clown evil? Is it
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a scarecrow with that looks like it has some dark
eyes in it?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Evil alive? Is it?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Is it a pumpkin with a face that looks like
it's trying to hurt you? Evil forms of it, all
forms of it. Abstain from every form of evil. I
don't it just you have to be you have to
work from that. So whatever you're gonna do for Halloween
as a Christian, you have to to be informed of that.
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You have to work out outwardly from that. But London
asked me the other day yesterday in the car, Daddy,
let me ask you something. Me and my friends, my
volleyball girlfriends. Can we go trigger dreading? I said no.
I said, but you could come and y'all could come
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spend the night and have a sleepover. Okay, that was
gonna be my next question.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Okay, good, and I'll buy you a ton of candy
if you want.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah, but we're going to abstain from every form of evil.
Part of that deal on the side. On the side
note was we were collect their phones at midnight if
they have If they have phones, we collect them at midnight.
I wanted eleven pm because I was like, I'll give
them I'll be up, I'll get their phones and let
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them like, what if they need to call their parents
because if something happens. And I was like, we'll have
them ready at seven am, back in back in the
kitchen available. I didn't have phones when I was no,
they're going.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
To be fine, and you still got a hold of
your parents if you needed them.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Now, the thing of my kids too, is that they
don't feel overly oppressed, or they don't feel like I'm
I'm a overly religious, legalistic dad. I told him, they
know this story I just read from looking up for him.
We all read this together. So I said, would it
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be loving of me or controlling of me? You know,
like to just say yeah, do it go trigger treating?
Would that be loving?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
No?
Speaker 1 (38:23):
It would it be controlling oppressing to say you can't. No,
what's the loving thing to do to protect us spiritually?
It's like, yeah, you got it. I'm working on their heart.
I'm not working on creating a bunch of rules that
they must follow. Check these boxes. Do these rules. God
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will like you, God will be pleased, God will hate
you if you don't like. I'm not creating this. I'm saying, hey,
let's look at the heart. What does God's words say,
God's words has abstained from every form of evil.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Do you want to do that when you turn eighteen.
I'd say this about a lot of things. I didn't
say it about Halloween, but I've said it about many things.
When you turn eighteen and you leave this house, you
can do a lot of things that you're gonna be
able to choose on your own to do a lot
of things. But when you're in our house right now,
we're going to be informed by the word of God
that says abstained from every form of evil. And I
don't do that because I'm trying to hold this book
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over your head like a like a prison. Yeah, I'm saying, no.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
This will set you free. It's good, dude.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
I love you, and this word will set you free,
not bind you, not hold you back. Guess what holds
you back? The evil you participate in. That's what's holding that.
Those are the chains. My yoke is easy, My yoka
is easy. My burden is light.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Follow me. The burden of sin is really heavy and crushing,
and the ultimate payout is death.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Christ says, come to me, Yes, all you who are
weary and burden, and I will give you rest.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Amen. Oh, my word is good.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
My burden, my birden. In this light, my commandments are
not burdensome, he says, this is easy. Follow me for rest. Yeah.
I tell my kids these things, not to hinder them,
not to chain them, not to press them down, but
to let them fly, let them be set free in
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the word of God.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Hey man, Yeah, that's great, So I can I can
still do pro wrestler. Awesome.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yes, Look, look for a forty eight year old sting
this October thirty first, that's Friday.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I will not be at your house. I'll be managing sleepover.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Apparently we have a final football game on the final
one on the on the current turf. There's a brand
new stadium going in next year, so we have one
final what happens to be on October thirty first, So
we dressed like a football player.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
I guess I'm.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Careful going back for your car might get egged.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
That's true, that's true.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
See you guys, thank you so much for hanging out
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Speaker 2 (41:27):
Ye
I'm gonna skip Halloween this year. Let me tell you why. Okay,
so the Man's back. We're gonna do this podcast today
Halloween style because Halloween's coming up.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah, this Friday, This Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
As the podcast drops of the podcast laughed before we.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hit I'm gonna talk the whole time.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
This low everybody. Everybody seems to be doing the the
spooky addition of whatever they're doing.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, you don't have a neighborhood. I mean you do,
but it's like much more spread out than my neighborhood. Yeah,
but I haven't noticed any decorations out.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
That's really interesting about living in the country because as
I've gone to see friends in neighborhoods, you're kind of
reminded that Halloween is near and that there are decorations everywhere.
In fact, we went to Amber and I did a
double date with our friend the other day. Our friends
and like going through their neighborhood. You see the them now,
(01:06):
you see the massive demons. Yes, you've seen these.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Oh, they're like fifteen feet tall, absolutely terrifying.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Grim reapers. Yeah, skeleton skeleton walking. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
We had one family that lived right on the corner
as you turned in our neighborhood. They used to decorate
like you've seen the houses that go overboard on Christmas,
Like it looks like it's a gingerbread house.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, this was a graveyard. It was every It.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Had witches dancing around a cauldron, it had demons coming
up from the front door or what.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
They've since moved and it feels so much more peaceful
driving into our neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Now, Yeah, you know it's not all decorated.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
There was a guy, you know, probably three miles from here,
but I saw his house. He did that last year.
It was like so decked out. Yeah, but he also,
like our around Halloween, would start dressing up as Satan
stopped with the pinagram on a red black gown and
(02:09):
a red pentagram and like that's how he just operated.
This is like his favorite holiday.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
So where you would have Santa's going exactly exactly, that
takes the place of Santa.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah on June and July, you've got I'm doing this.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Do you think that those people are the same people
that put up the Santa sleigh and the reindeer and
the candy canes.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Well, I found that it was like, I'll just say,
judging from my neighborhood that that house was not This
did not.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Go overboard on Christmas. It was almost to prove a point.
It felt like, Okay, Halloween, we're going to go all out. Christmas,
here's a few lights. Okay, why experienced the opposite?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
No, I actually don't know. Once again, we've lived in
the country for so long Amber and I probably fifteen years,
and so I haven't been in a neighborhood where I
am constantly reminded of the different holidays, be it Easter
or Christmas or Thanksgiving or Halloween. Because, like you said,
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you saw and you came in here today, there's literally nothing.
Nobody does a single thing. Well, we put up Christmas lights,
like a lot of people around here put up Christmas lights,
but I don't think there's a single skeleton within five
miles here.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I'm waiting for you to put up the permanent Christmas lights,
those ones that you see.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
We have them on the barn.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Oh you do. I didn't know that we had.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Them on there. About three years ago. We're like, this
is great, Yeah, let's just leave them.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah that's cool.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So good for you that we have We have a
outlet under the awning of the roof that's connected to
a light switch them on.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
That's that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty redneck, but they look great.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
The reason I say this because literally Saturday, our Christmas
tree will be up.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Oh that's a completely different discussion. That's I forgot about
this about you.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
And we do?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
We talk about this on the on the radio show
on After Midnight. But yes, we're we're one of the
and I cannot wait. I'm so ready to put up
the Christmas tree.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Now I'm not.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
It feels weird to think about Christmas right now because
it was ninety two yesterday.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah. So do you have anything Halloween in your yard
right now?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Other than the grass being dead? That's about it. Man
is dead?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Okay, so that no, No, we don't. Okay, you don't.
You don't do this. This is gonna help transition into
this conversation we don't do what about? But first I
want to know before we talk about today, I want
to talk about growing up. Talk about Halloween growing up
for you, And I'll tell you me.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Halloween for growing growing up for me was as you
probably if you spent any time you know that I'm
a big pro wrestling fan. Yes, it was my opportunity
to dress up like a pro wrestler and go out
in public. I did it regardless when I was playing
at the house as a kid with my friends. But
we got to leave the house dressed like Sting with
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a face paint, the spiky hair, surfer Steing, and that
was awesome time because then you got candy too.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I had to be a pro wrestler and I got candy.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So the whole you did, the whole thing, trigger treat,
dress up, trigger treat. What about your house. I don't
think that that's right. No, I don't think it was
a decorating holiday.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Growing up.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
We never It was always just a day that that
day you did a bunch of stuff on. You know,
you dressed up, you did your thing, you got your candy,
you went to a new neighborhood, the richer neighborhood where
you get the full candy bars. You know, we had
those in our town growing up, and that's we had
always aimed to go there when you get a little older,
and so we did. But it wasn't a decoration of
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any kind. Fall yes, So like.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So you're talking about pumpkins or pumpkins and red and
orange corn.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, and I think even the candy corn came out
around that time, candy corn.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, so we have those in dishes and nobody ate them.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
An it's got to them the ant. Okay, so you're
in our about the same age you're in Oklahoma. In Texas,
in fact, we were probably three hours from each other
growing up.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, you would go out trigger treat, you'd dress up,
you'd get candy, you'd have pumpkins.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
What about it?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Would you carve the pumpkins?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Sometimes yeah, and and and it was more so of
an artistic thing.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Could you make make the pumpkin?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
You know how they do this shadow or do the
the depths that you carve into it and it becomes
lighter in that area and parts that you leave is darker.
And you try to make somebody's face, it doesn't look
like it until you put the candle in it. That
was really it wasn't It wasn't really the scary try
to do a scary kind or someone you know away
or scare away demons or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
The mindset anyway?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Were your parents religious?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I mean yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Was that the reason that you did less than maybe
your neighbors did.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
No, it was that I think, as far as I knew,
it was what we did, what everybody else did.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
There was no there was no house.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
There might have been a house that was scary just
because you know, like, uh, you know, a widower lived there.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
By himself and you know, didn't keep up the yard.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
It was, you know, just an old house and there
are a lot of those in southern Oklahoma where they're
you know, at one point that was maybe a big
house that was nice and it had just been let go.
But there wasn't any anyone that decorated or anyone that
you know, at least that I remember. Never thought about
that un till I got older.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
So I grew up always in a neighborhood growing up,
and always celebrated Halloween. I think if I think about decorating,
we could say one thing about decorations. Right now, the market,
the industry for decorations has gone through the roof big time.
So the like we were talking about the fifteen foot
(08:02):
demons or they didn't have that when we were growing up.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
No, they also didn't have the fifteen foot santas.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
They didn't have the fifteen inflatable Santa with led lights,
you know, casting snow on your house. They didn't have
that stuff, but we we still improvised. Like for Christmas,
we had this was like a thing in our neighborhood.
But we would put out light lights Christmas lights down
our sidewalk and out you know, along the street, and
(08:32):
then we covered them with like clear Dixie cups, okay,
and put like coat hanger ins down into the Dixie
cups and so it made these little glowing cups. And
then all the neighbors did it and they all connected.
Oh interesting, Yeah, But then when we put football in
the yard, we would step on accidently crush them. So
(08:57):
that's kind of an example of we would just kind
of make our own deckors. But we did the same
thing for Halloween. I remember we always dressed up and
we always you know, it was always like an army
man or a football player, Dracula one, you know, because
they had those white teeth that those plastic teeth you
(09:17):
put in and you wear the cape, white face. Yeah,
a little fake blood coming down the you know. So
that was that was or a ghost that was the
easiest one. And as we got older, we remember Tyler
and I we had a two story house, and we
would get up in My bedroom was in the window
(09:37):
right there on the second story in front of the sidewalk,
front of the front porch. So I would get a
basketball and put a sheet over the basketball and then
run a cable from my room down like to the mailbox,
and so I could I could throw that basketball and
run down the cable like at the mailbox as kids
(09:58):
were coming.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Up to the sidewalk. That's funny, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
So we did. We did stuff like that, and then
as I got older, started participating more and more in
like haunted houses. Oh did you We really actually really
got into that. By the time I got the I
was living in Nashville. I was in my low twenties.
I remember Bernie was one of them, you know, he comes.
He used to come to the podcast all the time. Yeah,
uh Be and Bernie and others. We would go and
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get the paper which would list the haunted houses, and
we would try to hit like three or four in
one night. We would pick a night to do it, okay,
and we would just which is very expensive because there
you know, at the time, they're like twenty five bucks.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Apart yeah, you're seventy five hundred seventy five.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Seventy five one hundred bucks in if you do three
or four. So we would go through one and be like, oh,
that was pretty good, and then we would go to
another way, Oh that was incredible, and we would go
to another one and we would just we would have
a big like ten or twelve of us would all
do it and all jump in a car or two
cars and kind of caravan and we would take a
night and we did We did this, And so I'm
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trying to build this story that yeah, I've always participated
in Halloween. I've always done it.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well, you just reminded me of something that I remember doing.
It was either middle school or high school. Our church
did this thing called Heaven's Gates Hell's Flames.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Have you ever heard of that? No, So I think
there was.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Actually a touring company that went around to different churches
and did this, and they did it around Halloween, and
that's what it was. It would show you you'd go
through the same type of deal. You'd walk through these
areas that would show you depictions of people, you know,
making compromising decisions in their lives and then they end
up in hell with the demons, and it shows in
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that and it gives you an opportunity when you come
out to accept Christ and you get to see heaven.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Okay, And so you know, there are a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Of people that that that you know, in the moment,
said that they made this decisions, you know about Christ then.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
But that was something that I remember Church doing. Then.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Something else you reminded me of too, is that Halloween
was for me was always a big deal for movies.
Friday the thirteenth, Yes.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yes, I didn't say that too. Yeah, the was it
called fright Fright Month or Fright Week or fright Fast
something like that. Even on the tour bus we would
the month of October, fright Fest was always on v
watch the movies. It's like A and E or something
like that, or what's.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
The Okay, what's the.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
There's a channel anyway, I can't think of it off
the top of my head. Anyway, we always have fright
Fest on and just kind of on loop. So you
think of like a Saturday afternoon, you think of football
and Fright Fast just kind of coexisting in the month
of October. Let's see what else. Yeah, as far as
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Church Trunk Retreat, was a thing I remember at the church.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
We did that at ours and would.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Go and then you can get candy. Our rec center
recreation center which is walking distance from where we lived.
I lived in Dallas, and they have alleys in Dallas,
so we would walk down the alley. Oh yeah, yeah, okay,
and then I have alleys in this.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Area, so you would do your trick or treating.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
No, no, the one was in the front. But we
would do all our walkings, like to the rec center.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Take the alleys. Yep, that was the quick way.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
So the rec center would have a little haunted house.
You can go there and they would decorate it and
you you know, go through and you know, be scared.
Put your hand in the spaghetti and supposed to be brains,
things like.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That, peel grapes.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah yeah, that's eyeballs. So yeah. And then fast forward
to to our kids kind of always taken them and
when they were young, when London and Lincoln were very young,
we would take that. Although we lived in the country,
we would go to friends' houses, dress up as toy
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story character.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
That you guys had.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I remember seeing these posts the best family costumes.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I don't know by that.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Absolutely what was it. I wanted to say it was
when you were you Robin one time.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, I feel like we had heard the Batman.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Batman that was one of the best. Yeah. I thought
some of these ones that at least they were to me,
we weren't doing that.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
So I would see the post, you know, when we
were just casual friends and see what is grains are
going to be this year and see the family it's fun.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
So I don't remember there ever being in my life
someone that said they didn't participate.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I don't want to say celebrate, don't didn't participate in Halloween.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I don't ever.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I didn't have that person. Oh well, maybe there was
one guy named Andy that lived on our street and
it was like he was our age. My friend David
just reminded me of this. But when we were little,
their family was like they were the homeschooling family. The
mom was like, you know, thick rimmed glasses and a
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long cotton dress and the house smelled like mothballs. Yeah
and yeah, Andy didn't do Halloween.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Okay, but he do on Halloween.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I don't remember because the light off maybe my brain,
you know, it's when I think back on memories like that.
I'm like a thinking about horse blinders on I didn't
I didn't ask, and I didn't really think about it,
didn't think too much. I don't think Andy did it,
but but maybe Andy also didn't tell me that he didn't.
So they just kind of went dark.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
They didn't preach against it, they just didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. So other than Andy, I
don't can't think of anyone that ever said they didn't
participate in Halloween. Now in twenty twenty five, I know
many people. Maybe it's the circle I run in, but
I know many people that don't. I also think social media,
in all of it's in all the bad things about it,
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I think it has brought a lot of awareness that
we might not have had before of people saying I'm
not going to we're not doing Halloween this year, and
here's why, here's ten reasons why, or whatever. There is
now a platform for the average person to say that
because the local news, the local paper is not going
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to run that story. Right when we're growing.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Up, Yeah, there's not gonna be an article in there
about it.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
If you're trying to get a gift for someone that
you think has everything. How about a special video message
from me. It's easy to do. Go to cameo dot
com slash granger Smith and you put in the prompt
what you want me to say. I get that message
on my phone. I'll say happy birthday, happy anniversary, whatever
personalized message you want me to say to whoever you
want me to say it to. I send it to
you and you give it to them. It's pretty cool.
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Go to cameo dot com slash granger Smith. So let's
unpack this. I got a and all this is obviously
I should say, this is always different when you're when
you're saved by our Lord and you come to a
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saving faith, and and this is this happens, as Ephesians
two says, when we were dead in our trespasses, no
pun intended dead. This happens when we're dead in our
trespasses and made alive in Christ. And this is this
is by grace. We're saying through faith, this is not
our own doing. It's a gift of God, not a
result of works, So that no man may boast. And
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after that we walk in obedience, and we are sanctified
by His word, and we are we slowly start to
realize what would be pleasing to God, and it matters
to us, not because we're working towards our salvation, but
we're working from it, right, so correct we're saved and
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we work outward from that, not forward towards that. That's
very important because we legalism, which might have been what
Andy was, maybe is more dangerous than the evil of Halloween.
I could assure you that because it's much more deceptive
and not it's not seen. It's a it's a rotten
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apple from the inside and you can't tell because the
outside is clean like a pharisee. Okay, So after I'm
saved and I'm working out from the salvation as it
just described, then you start to think about all the
other things in life that you're doing, Halloween being one.
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You and I have talked before. Remember we talked about Christmas.
We did the Desabler podcast on should we celebrate Christmas?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah? Is it pagan holiday?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
And we recognized that the Puritans did. They didn't celebrate
any holiday except Thanksgiving right Thanksgiving. That seems like the
Puritans as they came to the New World, they celebrated
Thanksgiving because it was kind of not connected to anything.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
They just stayed away from everything else.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
They stayed away from Christmas, Easter, stayed away from Easter,
stayed away from, of course.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Halloween, definitely Halloween.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
They and and why do they celebrate Why didn't they
celebrate Christmas? Well, they felt like it had pagan roots,
and they and it it was taking away from the
story of Christ. They felt like, you should always celebrate
the birth of Christ, the incarnation which God became flesh
and dwelt among us, the Emmanuel God with us comes
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to comes into his own creation. That's the story of
the birth of Christ. They're like, shouldn't we celebrate this
every single day? And then the story of Easter when
you know, Christ is resurrected, and and the Puritans would say,
shouldn't we celebrate the resurrection every day? Shouldn't we celebrate
the incarnation and the resurrection every day, not just one day,
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not just one day. Would it be weird to celebrate
it just one day? And so so we got to
say that with then the Puritans, of course, they revolted
against Halloween. Let me read now some information that our
friends over it looking up for him, looking up the
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number four him sent me some research here on Halloween Halloween,
they say, and I trust this research is actually not
the correct name for October thirty first, It is All
Hallowed Saints Eve. So where does it come from? Well,
two thousand years ago, demon worship being cut Celts in
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England and Europe had a festival called sam Hayne Sane
meaning summer and fu In meaning ending. It was a
feast of the dead, where ritual fires were burned and
skeletons and symbols of death were prominently displayed. The Druids
or Celtic priests believed the Lord of the Death gathered
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the souls of the evil dead and condemned them to
enter animals, and that the living should lessen their suffering.
That the living could lessen their suffering by offering sacrifices, prayers,
and gifts on their behalf. This is basically outright spirit
witt spiritualism, right in witchcraft. So then a long cubs
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to Catholic Church in the Middle Ages condemning this is
a demonic festival, and they tried to replace it by
making September first All Saints Day, and then immediately began
their own practice of praying for their dead trapped in purgatory.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
The night before October thirty first.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
By the eighteen hundreds, it was customary to assembol at
midnight on Hallow Eve, take special bread called souls to
the cemeteries and place it on graves for the dead,
and light candles on the graves and in windows to
guide the dead. So that's the door to door thing
in the windows. Oh interesting, Okay, While Satanists and witches
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were up in the in the street, continuing their old age,
their their own age old practice of sacrificing, worshiping the
God of the dead. So then you jump forward forward
to the Pilgrims in the US and the Puritans who
entirely banned Halloween in the New World because it was Satanic.
But then Scottish Irish Catholic immigrants fled to the Potato
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because of the Potato famine in eighteen forty five eighteen
forty six and fled into New York and brought their
traditions with them, including the tradition of guysing acting out
what was happening to the dead on that night by
dressing up as spirits of the dead and visiting.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Houses wow trick or treating trick or treating.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
So God's word says, there shall not be found among
you anyone who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or anyone
who interpreted interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or anyone who
conjureds spells, or a medium or a spiritist, or anyone
who calls up for the dead. All these things are
an abomination of the Lord. And then looking up for him,
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did some research speaking to different Satanists, currently former witch's,
former warlocks.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
The ones that are not anymore. Yes, yeah, I got it.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
And so I'm gonna stop and say from this point
this information here, give or take, I don't really care.
This is information from from people that have left witchcraft
today in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
John Ramirez, a former high ranking Satanist and warlocks, spent
twenty five years in witchcraft, including animal offerings and demonic
weddings on Halloween, and he said, why would you put
your kids, your family, and your entire eternity on the
demonic altar? Why'd you bring that curse into your house,
into your family. Genny Weaver, who's a former witch, warns
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that Halloween normalizes occult practices through media and culture, deceiving
even Christians into spiritual compromise. HERMIONEA Galvez, a former occult
and Sentaria follower, says, when you're allowing your children to
participate in Halloween, it opens the door to demonic things
in your life and in their lives, which could be
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more dangerous than you ever might realize. You're desensitizing your
children to evil things, and you're hindering their ability to
discern what is darkness and what is light. Another former
satan has said that Halloween was a night of real
power in the occult world. Rituals had opened doors demonic forces.
Christians participating today are unwittingly inviting the same influences into
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their own homes and lives. So this is this is
the part I pumped the brakes a little bit because
I when I hear stuff like this from a former Satanist,
there there's there's truth to it, but there's also there's
also this this idea that if you are a Christian,
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then you the Holy Spirit is in you sure, and
there is no go ahead.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
That was going to be.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I wanted you to finish that thought, but I was
going to say, what do you What do you say
to a parent who goes I'm just letting my kids
have fun. We're not celebrating Satan. We're not celebrating these things.
We're letting them have fun with other kids and go
go get candy from houses and come home and have fun.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
That way, it's not we're not celebrating.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Will you doing me a favor? And asked me that
question in about five minutes?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
That's what I say, like, I should just let you
finish that thought.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, because I have, I have I kind of have
a wrap up thought to that. Great, because I have
the same question. What if there's a lot of questions
on what if it we just don't take it seriously.
What if we dress up as you know, like Teddy
bears and stuff, there's nothing demon about it.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
What if you went just the complete extreme? And what
if you dressed up as Bible characters?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, anyway, Bible tracks at your house?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
We did.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
We did bags of candy with verses on them. And
that's what we did not last year of.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
The year before.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And inherently I don't think any of those are bad things.
And in fact that I pumped the brakes on hearing
from all the Satanists. I think. Here's one from a
former medium says, Halloween was my high holy day for
channeling the dead. Believers who participate are playing with fire,
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opening spiritual doors that lead to oppression, just as it
did for me before Christ. Yes and no, you know,
yes that that that opens doors, as Jesus would say,
for you know, you you clean the inside of your house,
and seven more spirits come in, you know, and find
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the place cleaner than it was before. And then and
then the second demonic possession is worse than the first. Sure,
but that's not talking about a believer, you know what
I mean. Yep, let's not talking to somebody about somebody
who's fortified with the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
That's someone who's cleaned the inside and didn't fill the
inside with Anything's exactly right. Yeah, where if you are
a believer, the inside is full now.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
So that's why I hear from this medium and I
go yes and maybe no, Yeah, you know it's like
and so where does that leave us? Let's let's get
to that point. Well, let's let's use the Bible. Let's
use the Bible. I like that, you like that Ephesians
five eleven. We'll start here. Take no part in the
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unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them, for it
is it is shameful even to speak at the things
that they do in secret. So when anything is exposed
by the light, it becomes visible. For anything that is
visible by light is of God. So we would take
this and go, why would we partake in works of
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darkness even in jest?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
And you just heard from from ones who have come
out of that that says, oh no, no, no, this day
is very serious to us. When I was a when
I was an o cult leader, when I was a Satanist,
when I was a witch.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
So I'm going to say it now because I don't
want to forget that I'm thinking this right now. Part
of the reason I go, you know, be careful with
the listening to the Satanists and the former occult members.
The Bible gives a lot of warning passages, and I'll
read some of them right now, but we have to
be careful that we are. We're using these warnings to
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press people into the cross and get Christians to hold
fast and stay strong and not discourage them and say
I'm not good enough, because ultimately you're you aren't good enough.
You must have the Holy Spirit and So the warning
passages in the Bible aren't to say you were a Christian,
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but now you let this stuff happen, you're not a
Christian anymore. I don't believe the Bible speaks of that
kind of language. Instead, the warning patches passages in the
Bible are made to transform dead hearts, to make them alive,
and then the hearts that are alive, to keep them steadfast,
stay steadfast, and endure till the end. You know, run
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the race. You know, faith is ongoing. It's not a
one time thing. You don't just accept Jesus and you're done.
It's an ongoing thing. But that these warning passages help
keep us strong, fortified in the race itself. Grails guardrails
from the spirit like that. Not on our own power
we but we're made. He He is what empowers us
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to be fortified for the endurance. Third John. It's not
often you get to quote Third John, but here we go,
h Third John eleven. Do not imitate evil, but imitate good?
Can it be any more clear than that? Do not
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imitate evil? Granger, when you're playing Dracula at thirteen years old,
do not do that? Okay, I don't. I don't I
don't see a way to compromise.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
That at Allah dressing up like demons and witches and.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yep, don't do it. It's all for fun. Don't do it.
Don't do it. I mean we could. And then it
goes on to say, whoever does good is from God.
Whoever does evil has not.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Seemed God exactly. Yep, that's interesting. What do you have
a couple? Yeah? Kind of.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
When I asked that question, I also thought about this
verse in Proverbs fourteen. There's a path before each person
that seems right, but it ends in death.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Seems right. Huh, it seems right.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
It seems right.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, So I would say that be careful of those
things that seem okay and seem right. And I think
that that, like you said, it's more of a guardrail.
Go back and check what you're doing with the word.
Does the word are you shining? Are you on Halloween
shining a light into the darkness? Then I would say
continue shining a light into the darkness. Yeah, But if
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you're doing what you just said and like, hey, we're
just having some fun and dressing up like the characters
from Twilight, well, the characters from Twilight were.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Ones that were based Yeah, yes, right, vampires.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
And then another one I have is the U in
Second Corinthians chapter six. Don't team up with those who
are unbelievers? Who can How can righteous be a partner
with wickedness? And how can light live in darkness? What
harmony can there be between Christ and the devil?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
That's why? Yeah, talking about being a light in it.
Don't look like.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
And act like and be like everything else that's going
on during Halloween.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Also, don't don't you know?
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I would you know, don't set yourself up too for
having what was it when we were kids, if you
didn't have the light on, you didn't do trick or treating,
you either got egged or your screens got soaked.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Did you ever do that or have that happened? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
You can, you can. You can still be what I
didn't have it marked. But you can be in the
world and not of the world.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah. I think that's a good way to think about
Halloween and this holiday is to be you can be
in the world, just not of the world. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Rome Is twelve two. Do not be conformed to this world,
but be transformed by the renewal of your mind.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Amen, And.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
So there's a lot of ways to not conform to it, yep,
to be to be in it and not conforming, and
I think we would well. The Bible also says that
that that solid food is for the mature, for those
who have their their power of discernment trained by constant
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practice to distinguish good from evil. Sure, so this is
what the Word of God does, is we're washed with
the word of God daily intake of the Bible at
some level, whether you're listening to preaching, you're listening to well, no,
not listening to preaching unless it's good expositional preaching. I
don't want to listen to topical preaching as a deal
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daily intake. But I would recommend and actually reading the
Bible daily, never skipping. You know, a man cannot live
in bread alone, but from every word that comes from
the mouth of God. Why would we ever skip a meal?
Why would we ever skip the daily intake of what's
even more important than any meal, that the thing that
sustains us. So if solid food, the Bible says, is
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for the mature, for those who have their powers of
discernment trained by constant practice, reading over and over to
distinguish good from evil. Then that protects you from going
into the world and not being conformed to it. So
the word of God instructs us in these ways and
it trains us. This is where I wanted to go now,
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is to your question of you know, like, well, what
do we do, like how do we how do we
think through decorations and costumes and trigger treating?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
First, how can you be in it and not others? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
First Thessalonians verse five twenty two is like, if you
just take that versus it's a very short verse. If
you just take first Thessalonians five twenty two, it doesn't
get any more clear than this to me. I mean,
there are some things that you go, eh, you might
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be interpreting it wrong. It says, abstain from every form
of evil. That's a command from the Apostle Paul. Abstain
stay away from, don't deal with, get away from every meaning,
all forms meaning, different manifestations, different interpretations. Get away from
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all kinds of what might even be thought to be
called evil. You know, like like whatever you're is that
evil or not? Is it a form of it? Is
it a is it a scary clown evil? Is it
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a scarecrow with that looks like it has some dark
eyes in it?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Evil alive? Is it?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Is it a pumpkin with a face that looks like
it's trying to hurt you? Evil forms of it, all
forms of it. Abstain from every form of evil. I
don't it just you have to be you have to
work from that. So whatever you're gonna do for Halloween
as a Christian, you have to to be informed of that.
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You have to work out outwardly from that. But London
asked me the other day yesterday in the car, Daddy,
let me ask you something. Me and my friends, my
volleyball girlfriends. Can we go trigger dreading? I said no.
I said, but you could come and y'all could come
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spend the night and have a sleepover. Okay, that was
gonna be my next question.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Okay, good, and I'll buy you a ton of candy
if you want.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah, but we're going to abstain from every form of evil.
Part of that deal on the side. On the side
note was we were collect their phones at midnight if
they have If they have phones, we collect them at midnight.
I wanted eleven pm because I was like, I'll give
them I'll be up, I'll get their phones and let
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them like, what if they need to call their parents
because if something happens. And I was like, we'll have
them ready at seven am, back in back in the
kitchen available. I didn't have phones when I was no,
they're going.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
To be fine, and you still got a hold of
your parents if you needed them.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Now, the thing of my kids too, is that they
don't feel overly oppressed, or they don't feel like I'm
I'm a overly religious, legalistic dad. I told him, they
know this story I just read from looking up for him.
We all read this together. So I said, would it
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be loving of me or controlling of me? You know,
like to just say yeah, do it go trigger treating?
Would that be loving?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
No?
Speaker 1 (38:23):
It would it be controlling oppressing to say you can't. No,
what's the loving thing to do to protect us spiritually?
It's like, yeah, you got it. I'm working on their heart.
I'm not working on creating a bunch of rules that
they must follow. Check these boxes. Do these rules. God
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will like you, God will be pleased, God will hate
you if you don't like. I'm not creating this. I'm saying, hey,
let's look at the heart. What does God's words say,
God's words has abstained from every form of evil.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Do you want to do that when you turn eighteen.
I'd say this about a lot of things. I didn't
say it about Halloween, but I've said it about many things.
When you turn eighteen and you leave this house, you
can do a lot of things that you're gonna be
able to choose on your own to do a lot
of things. But when you're in our house right now,
we're going to be informed by the word of God
that says abstained from every form of evil. And I
don't do that because I'm trying to hold this book
(39:17):
over your head like a like a prison. Yeah, I'm saying, no.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
This will set you free. It's good, dude.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
I love you, and this word will set you free,
not bind you, not hold you back. Guess what holds
you back? The evil you participate in. That's what's holding that.
Those are the chains. My yoke is easy, My yoka
is easy. My burden is light.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Follow me. The burden of sin is really heavy and crushing,
and the ultimate payout is death.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Christ says, come to me, Yes, all you who are
weary and burden, and I will give you rest.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Amen. Oh, my word is good.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
My burden, my birden. In this light, my commandments are
not burdensome, he says, this is easy. Follow me for rest. Yeah.
I tell my kids these things, not to hinder them,
not to chain them, not to press them down, but
to let them fly, let them be set free in
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the word of God.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Hey man, Yeah, that's great, So I can I can
still do pro wrestler. Awesome.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yes, Look, look for a forty eight year old sting
this October thirty first, that's Friday.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I will not be at your house. I'll be managing sleepover.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Apparently we have a final football game on the final
one on the on the current turf. There's a brand
new stadium going in next year, so we have one
final what happens to be on October thirty first, So
we dressed like a football player.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
I guess I'm.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Careful going back for your car might get egged.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
That's true, that's true.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
See you guys, thank you so much for hanging out
with me on this episode of the Ranger Smith Podcast.
I appreciate you being here. If you're listening right now,
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Thanks again for being here. We'll see you next time.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Ye
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