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Brad Rowland and Scott Coleman co-host Episode 242 of the Hammer Territory Podcast. Topics include a quiet Trade Deadline for the Atlanta Braves, the decision to keep Raisel Iglesias and Marcell Ozuna, the addition of Tyler Kinley, blowing an eight-run lead (only to win the game), Ronald Acuña Jr.'s injury timeline, and much more.

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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to the hemorh Territory Podcast.
This episode two four two. I'm your host, Brad Roland,
coming to you deep into the night here on a Thursday.
It's July thirty. First. It's a post deadline edition of
the Hammer Territory Podcast, and I'm joined by my friend
Scott Coleman. Scott, we were all prepared to breakdown of
some transactions or something, and then now we're talking about

(00:46):
nothing happening. How are you?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
I have been better, Brad, I what has happened to
this baseball team? Like, we're gonna that's gonna be the
obvious theme of the show tonight. We're gonna talk about,
I mean, honestly, across Major League Baseball for like twenty
nine other teams. Today was a fantastic trade deadline, one
of the best ever, and then the Braves did quite
literally nothing. Fans are frustrated. They have every right to

(01:12):
be frustrated. I'm frustrated. I think you're frustrated to an extent.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Like I just it's.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Another weird thing this season. And maybe weird is too
nice of a word. Stupid might be another thing to
have a team that is dead in the water. You
don't sell off any of your pieces that can help
give you a little bit of a better future. This
goes back to a terrible offseason for the team. It
goes it's another cherry on top of all the weird,

(01:39):
bad baseball we've watched off field stuff. It's just been
like the last ten months, what has happened to the
Atlanta Braves, Brad.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
It feels like.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
They've been abducted or something, because this is just so
different from the well oiled machine, the pinnacle of baseball,
if you will, from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty three,
twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
I don't know, man, Yeah, it's a reasonable question. And
you know my nature is to be like you know what,
everybody take a deep breath, and I'm not gonna really
do that. Like I want to, you know me, Scott,
I want to, but I don't really have it in
me today to fight that good fight because I'm frustrated too.
Like I think I'm probably less frustrated than some people are,
Like I'm not calling for jobs today in the way

(02:20):
that some are, but that's maybe a line without a difference.
Like I'm frustrated too. I even said, I mean we'll
get into it, but of course the headline if you've
been sleeping the last twenty four hours is that the
Braves did not trade anyone and their cell window. Like
we kind of thought at least Brycell Glacias would get traded.
I mean, I know I said that multiple times, like
he'd seem very likely he'd be traded. That didn't happen.

(02:41):
Marcel Zuna kind of a different story. He had the
ability to veto he's a DH it's hard with that guy.
Whatever kakes Johnson didn't get traded. Aaron Bummer, name your guy.
But the Braves just didn't do anything today and they yes,
they made a small transaction yesterday that we'll talk about
again later on in this podcast. But yeah, it's another
baffling thing. Like I use that term intentionally today. It's

(03:03):
just kind of it's baffling, it's confusing, perplexing, like whatever
word you want to use. Like I think that it's
fair if you wanted to not be mad and be
more confused, that's a reasonable thing. That's kind of where
I am, to be honest. It's like, what what is happening?
Like why why would you not do for instance, rest
Glacis and we'll talk about and you know, the the

(03:25):
pragmatist in me is like, all right, take a half
step back and say, if they had traded Aglesias for
a C minus prospect today, the impact of that on
the future is what likes. That's better than doing nothing.
I'll grant you that, which is where my head is
right now, that it's still better than doing nothing. But
you could say, look, does that matter that much? No? Probably,

(03:48):
But also to your point leading the podcast, it goes
to like it's not just one thing. It's lots of
little puzzling decisions. And like I don't believe, contrary to
many in the fan base that I've seen, I don't
think alex O Thoppolis is a buffoon now. Like I
don't believe that's true. I think alex is good at
a job generally speaking. Have I liked the last eight, nine,
ten months, No, not really, But I don't think he's

(04:10):
a affoon now. But it's like one thing after the
other and snowballs a little bit, and we'll get into
all the dynamics of this. Our friend Justin Tscano, who's
no longer covering the race full time, had some interesting
comments today that raised a lot of eyebrows that we'll
talk about, but I mean, where do you want to
go first? I'll leave it up to you. Is like
big picture is kind of where we are, but like

(04:30):
we have to dive in a little bit too, like
the logistics here, like what happened, what didn't happen, and
where they go from here. I guess, yeah, you know,
I think.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
I think Justin and a few others made a really
good point about the money and the financials behind all
of this, So let's kind of talk about the financial
aspect first. And admittedly this is not something that you
or I or anyone listening or watching to this show
can say definitively that they.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Know or Justin who didn't acknowledge that, like he said
it multiple times, like I don't know this, I'm not
reporting this. He's in a different capacity now, he's not
covering the team like we are, or even like he
especially like he used to be. He is informed because
he was around the team for a long time, but
also he was like hey, on the outside, I should
want to say that, just like Justin in trouble, he
wasn't reporting anything. He was speculating like we are, so.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Justin had this, I guess educated or informed opinion that
maybe ownership for the Braves, and I know there's this
weird ownership dynamic with all that we don't need to read.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
It's not liberty media, Scott. I know that it's fine
Braves holdings. Yes, by the stock by what's their stock ticker?

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Everyone go buy ten shares and the team can afford
to sell off an old reliever making some money. But yeah,
I mean, in all seriousness, there is probably something to
be said that, just flat out, if the Braves weren't
going to include any kind of money to trade Iglesias

(05:59):
or Ozuna and pay down some of the six to
seven million dollars, I can't imagine there were a lot
of teams willing and lining up to pay six and
a half million dollars for Rice ell Iglesias in his
current form. There are better players out there. There are
better players making less money. There might even be worse
players who are making significantly less money. But if you're

(06:20):
talking about a player who's maybe a step down who
owed a million dollars the rest of the way versus
a veteran closer owed seven million, well, if ownership wasn't
willing to pay off any of this contract. Then I
kind of get it because how many teams were willing
to pay seven million bucks for Marcelo Zuna who's been
really bad.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
For like three months? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I can't imagine anyone, especially when Ozuna is a DH only.
There were only five or six teams that were maybe
going to be interested, So we wanted to talk about
the money first. It is incredibly frustrating for a team
that has been printing money, a team that's hosted the
All Star Game and presumably a ton of money off

(07:01):
of that, a team that cut payroll over the last
twelve months for no good reason. And you can make
a logical argument that the reason the Braves did not
make a baseball move today by trading Iglesias or Ozuna
or Pierce Johnson or Aaron Bummer was financially motivated. And

(07:22):
that's really frustrating and disheartening as a fan, it absolutely is.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
That's well said. I you know, sometimes I hesitate to
give it on this path because it ends up being
will be accused of like defending Alex, and I'm not
really defending Alex. It's more legit. I just know how
this stuff works sometimes and you're you're one hundred percent right.
It does have that feel. And again we don't know
that somebody somewhere and that's probably Terry McGirk above Alex.
Alex is not set the payroll, folks. He does not

(07:48):
choose which money to spend. He's not allowed to do that.
He's given a budget. He has to fit under it
all those things. And yeah, it's it's a great point,
you l you sort of teed it up with it's not. Yeah,
if it was stipulated that you the only way you
could trade, we'll use the glacious because he's the one
that I'm most frustrated with is Iglesias is to get

(08:08):
rid of all of his salary in an NBA style, like, hey,
his contract is his contract, it's guaranteed you trade it
at in full. This would be way more understandable if
that was the rule. But everyone that's plugged in was like, hey,
the logical thing we said this, The logical thing would
have been for Iglesias or for Ourzuna pay down a lot,

(08:31):
if not all of the contract. Yeah, because you are
you're now not you're not rebuilding, but you're retooling the roster.
You're the season is over, and by the way that
it blew an eight round leads night, which we're talking
about as we're talking, Uh, the season's over. We all
know this. I mean even they're not going to say
that as plainly as we are. The season's over. We
all know that. So it would be logical to use
that freedom that you don't want. But now you have

(08:52):
to say, these games don't matter anymore. Why don't we
just spend the money that we were already going to spend.
We were already going to pay Iglesias and Ozuna of Glacis,
especially who's still on the books. Now they're gonna they
have to pay him. He's all that money. Instead of
paying it to him on your roster, pay it to
him on another roster and presumably get a prospect back.
That would be the idea to use your spending power.

(09:14):
And there's varying degrees of that, but you're right one
hundred percent, like we're not. We're not silly about Iglazias,
Like I think he's probably better than like Braves fans
than he is, but he's not having a good season.
We all understand that he's been bad at times this
year and for large swaths of the season. I do
think that if he was free, and by free I
mean contractually free, they would have there would have one

(09:37):
hundred percent. I feel a harp is a confident in
that if he was free, like he probably should have
been by today, they could have traded him or some
Yeah you're right, doesn't mean uh, functionally free. If it
was a half million dollars, whatever number you want to
put out there, If he was that cheap, somebody would

(09:57):
have traded a sea prospect for him. I am at
least I mean or better. I'm saying the lowest possible baseline,
like they could have done. They could have gotten a
similar prospect back to what they got for Raffia Montero,
like a guy that I like. Actually the profile I think, I.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Think we'll never know, but I think if they put
five million dollars with Iglesias, I think they would have
gotten Given the rest of the market and what a
couple of teams got for their good relievers, I think
Iglesius would have brought back like a top ten ish
prospect in a decent farm system.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
And that is the I know it's very complicated and
a lot of fans don't want to care about stuff's
and I get it. We like baseball, that's why we
do this podcast. This stuff doesn't matter. It's just it's weird.
And Alex, I think part of it is him doing
his job, which I know people hate and I I'm
in the media, so it's a little bit different, Like
he's not going to ever go out there and kind

(10:51):
of subtly trash his bosses, Like that's not what his
His job is to cover for his boss. That's the
job of any GM, any sport like that's frustrating to
us even as media members, Like you wanted to be
a candidate, honest, But he's not gonna go out there
and say, you know what Terry said, I couldn't spend
any money. Well, he's not gonna say that. It's just
never gonna happen that way. So that's part of this too.

(11:12):
But I just think there's a little bit of a
nuance that has to be applied, and I think that
brings us back to what we just started with this
justin said that we're now I think agreeing on I
think there is some sort of something somewhere, And Alex
was framing it as basically in his in his post
deadline comments, like there were only two paths. It was
like save money or not on trades. Like the way

(11:35):
he was talking about it was like, well, we don't
want to just save money on a trade. It's like, well,
no one said to save money. Like, we're not saying
to save money on trade. We're saying to use the
money you already owe to get a return.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yes, like because you're gonna need that.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, I mean so we can move on.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
So now yeah, so now they're gonna pay this money
anyway to thirty six year old by sel Iglasias and
thirty four year old Marcelo Zuna with the bad hip,
and then they're gonna hit expiring contracts in two months
and the Braves get quite literally nothing.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, and it's yeah, it's silly Oza. We'll get into
this a second and more detailed. Ozuna has more. There's
more nuance with Azuna than Oglasia. This is why we're
focused on ycel most because the Braves were in control
of the situation in full. He couldn't he couldn't block
a trade whatever. I do think that if they tried
to trade him on his full salary, then yeah, it

(12:27):
shouldn't be a surprise at all that he couldn't get
moved on his full salary. He hasn't been a picture
to that degree this year. His full his full sye,
the salary is sixteen sixteen million dollars this year. Like
he's still he's still owed like six million, Like he
isn't that good this season? If you're trying to trade
him his full salary. Yeah, no, dud, No one wants
that contract. That's why there's the nuance there. It's like, so, yes,

(12:48):
I'm frustrated they couldn't trade him, but it's not that
they couldn't trade him on his full salary. It's that
they didn't just do something to make it palatable for
another team to trade for him. Because like you just
laid out and we'll come back this five times later
in the show. He's going to either leave or nothing,
or maybe they'll resign him for some bargain contra or whatever.
But that could have been the case. Anyway, he's gonna
hit for agency, there's no like, there's no in the NBA.

(13:11):
There's a different thing called bird rights, where there's actually
some benefits sometimes to having a guy hit for agency
on your own team. That doesn't exist in baseball. There's
no salary cap, like he could just sign the same
contract again, so there's literally no benefit. They can't give
him the qualifying offer, and not that they went anyway,
but to get a cop pick any of that stuff.
He just a free agent, so is Azuna. Those guys
are just hitting the market no return, and you know,

(13:32):
if it it's bad enough, you could wait those guys
in the next month. Like there used to be waiver trades.
Those don't exist anymore. There's no benefit. He is either
on the team or you're cutting him for no reason
at this point, and it's like, oh cool, he walks.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
And as we saw in tonight's game on Thursday, Ozuna
is on the roster and you have to believe that
Brian Snicker is going to play a Zuna on occasion,
which means Baldwin is not going to get as many advances,
Murphy's not going to get as many advants. It's just
as we've been pounding the table for a month now. Sure,
I don't think this means Azuna is gonna play every

(14:06):
day by any means, but he's still around and he's
gonna get at bats that should probably go to Drake Baldwin.
We've talked about the.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Importance of and Murphy.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, I mean, Murphy's like the second best hitter that's
healthy on the team right now, maybe third best. I mean,
it's just man alive, Brad, just a frustrating day somehow
on brand for this franchise over the last twelve months.
This has been a very bad year, like bad calendar
year for the Atlanta Braves, and that's something that fortunately

(14:35):
we have not been able to say for the better
part of a decade. At this point, they rebuilt, they
had this insane run, and now they're having the season
from hell. They've had some really weird decisions off the
field for a year now, whether they're financial backed or
strategic backed. I mean, if I don't know, we'll talk
more about this, but it's just a very much kind

(14:57):
of just another kick in the nuts of a day
for a baseball team that's delivered a lot of kicking
the nuts over the last couple of months. Yeah, that's
absolutely a good way to kind of table the first
part of this. We'll get into the second part of
this when it comes to like what happens now the
Ozuna thing, dynamics in play what the Braves did do
They're one very small transaction.

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Speaker 1 (16:28):
Okay, Scott, I do want to add in a couple
things about Ozuna. We focus on iglesias and the end
of the big picture. I think well as a refresher if
people are not super online, I know I forget this
sometimes not everybody's on Twitter all day like us Marcelo's
Zuna these days, I try not to be quite agreed. Uh,

(16:50):
Marslo Zuna has ten five rites, which means you can
block any trade. I thought it was funny dating back
to what I said just a few minutes ago about
how Alex is instead of to say certain things even
if they're not one hundred percent true. This is one
of those things in my opinion, This is not me
reporting it. This is one of those things that I
have I have an educated guess on He said today

(17:13):
post Deadline that Marcel did not veto a trade and
that they never that they never took a trade to Marcel.
I'm skeptical of that, to be honest, but I would
also say it does Alex no good to go out
there and say, yep, Marcel Vito to trade shrug.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Uh well, and you know it's it's Jim. It's Jim Bowden.
So I'm not saying this is gospel. It's not Ken Rosenthal.
Jim Boden on the air today said that they that
Alexuna declined with He reported that Azuna decline, whether it's
multiple or I think he said anything. Anything they brought
to him was the quote, I don't know that that's true.
Does it actually matter now, No, it doesn't matter. But
the only reason why I wanted to make sure that

(17:54):
this is clear is that I give, I give the
team and whether you want to put that on Alex
or ownership or whatever, a little bit more grace on Marcel,
because if Marcella decided he wanted to be on the team,
the braids are died. Like you could try to convince him.
As we've seen, they did kind of take him out
of the lineup pretty regularly for a couple of weeks,
maybe to send a message, maybe not, we don't know.

(18:16):
But like if marcell just wanted to stay in Atlanta
and didn't want to go to wherever he could just
be like Nope, all good. So and again that's just
one part of this. The other part is that, well,
every team could use another reliever. Marcel Zuna is a
DH only with a off field past that has pr

(18:37):
problems with people. I know, brads fans have forgotten about
this or just maybe memory hold it. But other teams,
I'm not saying they're definitely thinking about that, but like
it's very possible that another team is like you, Nope,
not doing it for that reason. Even so, there's that
there's the baseball DH only and he's been bad for
three months, like I always had some flashes, but he
has a coming into today a six seventy six ops

(19:00):
since April thirtieth, as a DH only who can't run it,
can't defend like, and makes a lot of money. So
that's why it's like, Yeah, I would have liked for
the Braves to trade more Slazuna today just to get
him out of the way, because what you said earlier
is gonna happen. SI, It's gonna play him, and I'm
gonna be maddened by that. But there was at least

(19:21):
a barrier that they did not create. Ten five is
ten to five, and that's it's an automatic thing that
they didn't give a no trade clause. Alex won't give
no track clause. It alway says that. But ten to
five is just automatic.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
I am pretty certain that if the Braves had a
trade worked out for Ozuna and he rejected it, it
would have leaked out.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
I do think that's possible to like, yeah, and I
don't think.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
There was ever a trade for Ozuna. If I'm being honest,
this has been my stance.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
We haven't.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
You and I Brad haven't done a show in a while. Ye,
But with his production, especially if the Braves were not
going to pay down his contract.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
That's yeah, weird we are going I mean if they
were trying to do the same thing with with the Gglesias,
which presumably hey, take his deal, no one's taking his deal,
like no one's taking out Azuna's deal on his with
his current production as a DH only there was I
would have loved there to be a team. We looked,
we all looked. There wasn't a team. Like I know
people talk about the Padres Raiders. At one point, there
was a couple teams that were like, we were thinking

(20:16):
about these teams but if the price tag was this
full contract, Like, I don't think they're getting rid of
him on that contract.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Why would we, especially when teams have twenty nine other
clubs they can deal with. You know, it's not like
the Braves were the only team who had a DH
or someone. I mean, anybody can DH really, So yeah,
I mean I was not holding my breath on Ozuna
that much. I Iglesias is the one that really frustrates me. Agreed,
because I really feel in my heart of hearts the

(20:43):
cheap asses that are running the Braves said, we're not
going to pay down money to send a player away,
even for a prospect with some potential. That the Iglesias
ones really frustrating. We'll talk about Aaron Bummer and Pierce
Johnston here in a second, But yeah, I mean I
was not real confident they were going to find a
suitor for Ozuna for a plethora of reasons that we've

(21:05):
talked about. And now we just kind of have to
hope that snit does not overplay a player with quite literally.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
No future with the Braves. Yeah, that's the last thing
on a zoo that we have to talk about for
a second. He's now played as of again recording this
Thursday night. He's having a good game today, He's walked
three times, like he's not a zero Like I don't
think for as much as I just said, he's not
been very good for the last three months, there's a
world of west Marcel suddenly hits and is a valuable
baseball player. The issue with that is the Braves don't

(21:34):
need to care about that. The Braves are not trying well.
They're trying to win because these guys want to play.
They're playing baseball. They're not trying to lose. But big picture,
I mean, no one should care if they win or not.
And that's I know there are a lot of fans
that will that are staunchly against that, and I totally
get it. You want to roof for your team to win,
not saying you go to the ballpark and refield a team.
I'm not saying that. But I don't particularly care if

(21:57):
they win from now until the end of the season.
And I think that it's a pretty logical thought process. Yeah,
even if you're even if you're not rooting for the
draft lottery odds, Like some people might be so put
that aside if they didn't have Drake Balwin and Sean Murphy.
It wouldn't be that big of a deal. He puts
him out there every day whatever, like everything else doesn't matter.

(22:18):
He's expiring. They could, they could even try to resign
him if they had a a situation. But with they
with where they are at now, you're either sitting if
he's playing. It's this simple. You're either sitting Drake Balwin,
who you want badly to win nationally Rookie of the
Year for multiple reasons, including one that's draft related, or
you're seeing Sean Murphy, who you already said has been

(22:39):
one of the best hitters recently, is having a good season,
is a really good player, and those guys are part
of your future in a way that I was doing.
It is not so. Azuna has played four days in
a row, including today. That can't happen. I know. Alex
always does the bit where he says the lineup KRD
is snits, and we've joked or not so joked over
the years. You mean, Stephen Sean about sometimes Alex has

(23:02):
to just get a guy out of there to take
the card away from snint Ye. This time it would
have to be him literally just waving Marcelo's in which
they could do like and honestly, I would think about it.
If we get three or four days from now and
he's playing every day and I'm alex Enthopolis, I might
be like, hey, hey, hey, Snip, either you stop playing

(23:23):
him or I'm going to cut him. Yeah, because we
cannot have this. He's I'm not a zealot, Like, I'm
not saying they should never play again. I'm not saying
that he's on the team. I kind of get that.
But more often than not, I am certainly in the
camp of Baldwin and Murphy most days.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Toget, Yes, sure, if you want to get Ozuna in
there every fourth day, go for it, like you you
don't want to burn out Murphy or Baldwin. And then
they their production tanks in the final month. Like I
get it, man, Like they're catching it's the dead of
summer right now. They're worn down. I mean, Baldwin's been
out there since opening day, Murphy's been out there since
two weeks into the season.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
We're not we're not psychopaths here. We're not saying that
that you know, you must play every inning of every
game like they're Matt Olsen, But yeah, I mean, there's
no reason to play Ozuna.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
At this point.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
This is this year is done, like full stop. They're
dead to whatever you can to give yourself a better future.
That includes playing Murphy and Baldwin at catcher and DH
and it's just another thing. I was kind of hoping
even if they quite literally paid, like if the Braves
paid ninety percent and got a nothing prospect in return

(24:33):
for Ozuna, that would have been a win because then
you clear the runway. You can also then maybe even
Dha Kunya if he's gonna come back, which the whole
other thing, like, I don't care. They could have gotten
a twenty nine year old in a ball as the
return for Ozuna. It was not about the return. They
were never going to get a good return for Rozuna.
It was about clearing him off the roster so you

(24:54):
can do what's best for the team on the field
moving forward.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
There was a world two months ago where it would
have been interesting about it was in his future in
Atlanta if he had a great season, and look the
previous two years he was really good, like really good,
and he made it an actual discussion point because he
was he was good enough where having him as a
DH beyond the season, which means, like you know, extending

(25:18):
him and resigning him was an actual topic and this
year he has not been close to that good. So
it's become easy for the Braves like he's not coming back,
at least he shouldn't come back. And he's a DH
only player on a team that cannot do that, Like
you got you know how good you got to be
to be a DH only Like you gotta be really good? Yeah,
Like if that makes sense, especially on a team that

(25:40):
has the race the race of two catchers. Ronald Kunya,
I am of the mind and we'll say this for later.
Should at least have the option to DH some in
the future. I would like that option, not having a
guy who has to be at DH every single day.
So anyway, Uh, that's part of.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
This talk about freaking news here on the show.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Oh no, oh, they won Braves.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
One baby, we're back on get the World Series Parade
and the postseason. All they have to do is go
like fifty and four the rest of the way and
they'll be in.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
I have I have a question. Did you see who
got to save?

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Was it I Glacias?

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Was? I think the Liberty media border room just went
crazy because now they can sell eleven more tickets to
make a little more money this season, and then not
gotten it.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
It's the Atlanta Braves holdings. Come on, man, it's not
liberty to use me. Excuse me. So it's so funny
to me. And look, this is a great example of
what we just talked about a little bit. Brian Sicker
and I will defense it mildly right now, mildly on
this one thing. His job is to try to win
baseball games. He's the man's his final two months. Yeah,

(26:49):
so he's gonna try to win baseball games and that's
his job, which means it's very defensible to close with
the Glacias, you know what I mean. It's like, yeah,
he's on your team, why wouldn't you use him? But
it does look like hilarious for him to be closing
in game today. He just wants to say out loud.
So there's a disconnect where Alex is responsible for the
big picture, Alex is responsible for the future. Snitth is

(27:09):
not Sni is the manager that day, and if he
has the card to play, he's gonna play it. So,
uh boy, that's funny. Hey, and again we're not gonna
break down the game today. They blew one. Are the
craziest Let's just do this now, what are the craziest
eighth things you'll ever see in your life? Tonight? The
Brave score It was three to three going to the
eighth inning. The Brave scored eight runs in the top

(27:30):
of the eighth, what up eleven to three and probably
a lot eight runs at the bottom and in the
at the bottom of the eighth without getting and out
eight runs sorry, eight hits, eight runs to begin the inning,
no else, and they won the game.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
It's gonna be some weird hours, Brad, these next two months.
There's no rules. There's gonna be weird stuff. The pitching
is just gonna be I mean, good god, some of
the pitching that's gonna be out there.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
The lineup, I mean, the lineup has been a little
better lately, I guess. I mean they got shut out yesterday.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
It has, but honestly today, I mean we're veering it
towards game discussion. But d the combination of Dane Dunning
who was just terrible today and Don'tly had a bad
day as well. Delan League gave it three hits and
a home run. You know what, Scott, We'll use this
opportunity that the Braves just provided us by winn of
a game today that they probably don't bet a fit
from wunning and we did the recap. I want to

(28:21):
come back to deadline stuff, which means fallout from what
Alex said, some of the discussion about Bummer Johnson, maybe
even Lee. Also what Alex said about Ron mccunya, who
is not being shut down. I want to go ahead
announce that right now not being shut down according Alex.
We'll get into all that a second, but first it
were from our friends at Draft Kings and our player

(28:42):
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actually on the guy the Braves traded for yesterday, not
a big name, but this is a deadline themed episode,

(29:03):
so we're going to talk about the newly acquired player
in short fashion. We know Steven and Shaw talked about
him yesterday. We won't repeat all of that, but the
only major leaguer they added other than I guess Carlos
Carrasco and a roundabout way Eric Fatti a few days ago.
Tyler Kinley is the newest addition to the bullpen. He's
a spotlight today. He actually pitched on Thursday, got through

(29:24):
an inning scoreless. It was not seamless, but it got
through scoreless. But beyond that, he's a thirty four year
old right hitter from the Rockies. The Braves traded a
by all accounts, a throw in kind of prospect, a
lower end guy to get him. He's one of these
classic Braves reclamation reliever projects that actually have worked out

(29:44):
really well over the years. Other people are poopooing them,
but they've had a lot of success with this stuff,
like by name Peter Johnson and Aaron Bummer, two guys
who had battie ra's and good peripherals that ended up
being really good relievers. I'm not saying Talako is going
to be that. He probably won't be, based on how
good the this is gone. That's what Alex is doing.
I think Kinley has a guy who has a real

(30:05):
awesome pitch which we'll talk about, and also club control
for next year. It's clearly it's a by move that
we talked about. Actually a lot of the podcast we
will like, hey, the Brits can still buy if it
made sense for the future. Here you go a low
cost by move with basically no downside on a guy
who they seem to like.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
So I guess I really had two takeaways on trading
for Tyler Kinley. Number one, I mean, the Pierce Johnson
comp is, it's just so obvious Rockies reliever, veteran reliever,
maybe a reliever who really relies on a breaking ball.
So of course Pierce throws that crazy curve. Tyler Kinley

(30:45):
throws a slider. I think Kinley throws more sliders or
more percentage of sliders than any other player in the game.
It's like sixty some odd percent, which is kind of crazy,
and it's a pretty decent pitch. So I think you
take a chance on Kinley.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
He's cheap for the rest of the year.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
I think he's only owed maybe like five hundred thousand
dollars the rest of the season, and then he does
have a club option for twenty twenty six that is
five million dollars. So you could kind of do like
a two month trial run here for Kinley, and if
he's really good, then five million dollars is an obvious pickup.
If he's not very good, well then you added a

(31:25):
reliever to eat innings down the stretch, and then you
can just kind of shake hands and say goodbye if
he's not good, and if if he is good, then
you pick him up for five million dollars and you
found a middle reliever for next season.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, that's basically it. Like it's a zero risk. I looked,
I saw some of the responses last night to Steven
and Sean reacting positively to that move. No one was
throwing We're not throwing a parade here. This is not
a huge acquisition. Like it's a zero basically zero risk
or close to zero risk and a moderate upside like

(32:02):
he might be a decent reliever next year. That's kind
of all this is, and it's all that matters. Not
everything has to be a grand slam, Like I think
this is a good idea of a transaction. It may
it may yield absolutely nothing with the Braves. No one's
saying it's an exciting deal. It's not It's just one
of those things that like requires a little bit of
nuance to look at, and I think it makes sense,

(32:23):
but that's kind of all I have. It's like a
guy that has a he's really good a couple of things.
He induces soft contact, like to an elite level if
you are a believer, and not everybody is. If you're
a believer in the underlying metrics, he has pretty good
on underlying metrics. And he has a pitch that's a weapon.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, and getting out of course field which is impossible
to pitch in and Stephen and Shawn talked about it.
If you want a deeper dive on Tyler Kinley, check
out the last show before this one in the feed.
But yeah, I mean it's sure, it's a it is
a not even a gamble, but like the mildest of
gambles you can take. He'll probably probably throw twenty innings

(33:01):
for this team over the next two months. If he's good,
you think about it, maybe you sign him or pick
up that option. If he stinks, you say goodbye and
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Speaker 1 (35:27):
All right, Scott, before we get out of here, people
wanted to talk about non iglesias, nono zoona topics, and
the thing we talked about most, I think it's roads
bringing up now is that the Braves did not trade
anybody else. Now, Alex did say at least once on
the record, I think probably twice or three times that
they were not going to trade anyone under club control
beyond the season, which is interesting. A lot's changed since then.

(35:52):
For sure, it's been a while. They went into the
tank after he said that. But he did say that
they didn't do that. But people like we all said,
this was not just my thought, but Pierre Johnson, Aaron Bummer,
the Lee, all guys that we thought we should they
should take calls on. That was my opinion. They didn't
trading those guys. It's harder. I'll throw it to you

(36:14):
it's harder for me to get worked up about not
trading those guys because, unlike o zuon Anaglesias, you needed
to get real returns or you just don't trade those
guys like it. If there isn't the market, you don't
do it. And we'll never know. The counter to that,
and I'll throw it to you is that Summer relievers
went for some real prices and they did. They were

(36:34):
bigger name relievers, but like not crazy better relievers than
those guys. So I wonder what kind of coals Alice
got on any of these guys, Lee Johnson, Bummer, but
we'll probably never know.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think those three relievers are probably all
in slightly different tiers because of their performance and also
their contracts. Now, if of those three, if a team
wanted to take Aaron Bummer's contract for next year, I
would have driven air into the airport myself.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
I'm pretty sure it was one that and we like
to remember. And I'm pretty sure the Braids would have
done that to save the life picture.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Save nine and a half million, use it elsewhere. So
I was not real optimistic because Bummer's been pretty bad
over the last few weeks. But I was hoping maybe
some team would be interested in him as a lefty specialist.
I would have given Bummer away for basically nothing, you know,
Pierce Johnson, I was really on the fence with I
could make. I think you can make a strong argument

(37:28):
both ways. On one hand, he is a good reliever
who has been really good with the Braves for two
full years now, and he only makes seven million dollars
next season, which is a below market rate for a
good right handed middle to late inning reliever. That being said,
this is the Hammer Territory podcast previously Battery Power and

(37:48):
Talking Chop. We would be talking out of both sides
of our mouths if we don't say that relievers are
very volatile year over year, and sometimes you need to
strike while the iron is hot because the value can
just plump, as we've seen with Ryce Iglesia said. Aj
Minter has a bunch of injuries now and goes on
and on down the list. So Pierce, if the Braves

(38:08):
traded him, I wasn't willing to just give him away
for absolutely nothing, But I also see the value of
him next year and then with Dylan Lee because he's
so cheap.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, I mean, I think.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Dylan Lee was the one where I would really have
to be impressed with the return, like a top seven,
top eight prospect coming back from a good system, maybe
top five in a bad system for me to give
up Dylan Lee, who makes no money and has been
one of the better lefty relievers in baseball for a
couple of years. Now, I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
The last time we talked pre deadline, we mentioned Lee
as a candidate. I made the case, not that they
have to do it, and you know, people, there's always
a nuance here. Bringing him up does not mean I
wanted the Brave to trade Dolling Lee. It means I
would have listened on Dylan. That's a very different thing.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
If a J Preler really wanted Dylan Lee, you bet I.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Can take that phone call, because that's what I'm saying. Yeah,
I mean you don't give Dylan. I mean I agree
with you hundred scient Piers Johnson. The proasce would have
been a little bit lower than it would have been
Dylan Lee, for sure, because he makes more money and
all those things addan. Johnson's good. He's not great, he's
a good reliever. He's proven he has the club control
next year. All that Dylan Lee, you would have needed

(39:26):
to get more. But I'm of the mind and we
won't real gate all of this. I'm of the mind
that they should have listened on like nine percent of
the roster, Like there's probably six guys seven guys, and
I won't name them now that I wouldn't have wanted to,
like at least take the call on yeah right now
with where the Braves are this season. And Dylan Lee,
as good as he is, is a reliever, and you
already made the points I won't really get it again.

(39:48):
Relievers are volletile. Dylan Lee is awesome, He's been awesome
for a few years now. He isn't a guy that's untouchable.
I'm sorry, no reliever basically is untouchable, especially not a
guy who's like not even like a tradition closer or whatever.
I don't care about that, but like, he's good, but
he's not like an all time ridiculous reliever. He's not
Josh Hater or something.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
I mean, Mason Miller just got the third best prospect
ever traded today for Leo de Vreise from San Diego.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
I mean, that's crazy, a crazy price. But and that's
why we're bringing it up early. Some of this is like, hey,
if they could have gotten that kind of return, I
think Alex would have done it. I can't imagine. And
Alex would be like, you know what I saw on
the radio eight weeks ago, and I wouldn't trade anybody
under team control. So if I do it now, that's
not That's not what happened.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
I mean, those those interviews with six S eighty the
fan are not like law binding under road.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
They are not what else, oh, non deadline topic, but
a big one because it's been the lead topic last
few days. Ronic youan Jr. Of course they got if
you missed the show yesterday or missed anything, they got
good news on Ronnie. We were all worried big time.
It's the best possible news grade one calf strain. Great,

(41:00):
but that's fine. I don't know if you weighed on this.
I haven't really waited on it. I saw a barrage
of people saying, shut him down for the season, don't
want to see him PLA anymore the next year, and
I understood it. I did. Even after the good news.
I saw a lot of that. Well Alex did too,
it seemed like and he basically said, they're not shutting

(41:22):
him down over a calf injury that they've been told
was not serious. Now, what do you think of that?
If you're not watching on YouTube Scott's reacting. Scott, what
was your reaction to that coming?

Speaker 2 (41:33):
I think it was like borderline terrifying, because why on
earth would you dick around with a calf injury, which
is the obvious, most precursor to a serious achilles injury.
Like Brad, you covered the NBA for a borderline living
so many times the achilles tears. When these players tear

(41:57):
their achilles, which is a more than twelve month recovery,
doesn't it almost always begin with a calf strain of
some I mean, tell me if I'm wrong, but does.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah, I don't know, almost always, but yeah, it happens.
It happens a lot. Famous. The most famous example of
this was Kevin was Kevin Durant in the finals when
he tore Kevin Durant, who's the famous BASKETBA player. If
you don't know, Toris Tory's achilles in the finals the
NBA Finals the twenty nineteen and he had a calf injury.
He was battling and he came back. He played for
like a core, maybe a coreps and a half, and
then Tory's achilles and like on the same leg and everything.

(42:26):
It was like, well, that seems related. It was Starry
Supper in this year, he's less famous Kevin Durant. That
happened literally what a month ago, maybe six weeks ago
or the best player of the Pacers in the finals,
calf injury, torn achilles.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
So this to me screams of ownership telling Alex, do
not shut down your cash cow.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
For lack of a better.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Like I love Ronald, I man, his body failing him
so consistently is just crushing. And I just the idea
that they are going to mess around with the franchise
player to sell a couple extra tickets in a lost
season when he is clearly not only recovering from the

(43:14):
acl but a strained calf which can lead to other problems.
He was hobbling around. I just it feels stupid and
reckless to me. I understand it, like I do. I'm
not oblivious to this being a billion dollar business, but like,
come on, man, let's not be stupid and reckless in
September with your franchise player.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah, I agree, I also we don't. I think there's
undeniably a business angle. I also would point out the
Braves have a history, well documented history of probably over
listening to their players on injuries. Freddy Freeman was a

(43:54):
prominent example of this, where Freddy could not swing a
bat basically it kept playing and they wouldn't take him
out the lineup. Ronnie, this is one of things I
love about Ronnie. Ronnie wants to play. Ronnie got emotional
when people saw that interview. Ronnie wants to play, and
you have you kind of have to save himself from
him from that. Like I love the passion. I love

(44:17):
that he wants to play. He loves baseball. It's very
clear he loves baseball, wants to play. I do too,
and Core has that to prevail the Braves. And look,
I've hate We've talked about for years and people used
to get mad at us for bringing it up about
how guys were playing too many games, and it was
probably an organizational like, hey, why don't we not have
Dancy play every inning? Like Matt I know, Matt Olson

(44:38):
gets prayed and Madelson knock on Wood hasn't got gotten hurt,
hasn't played three injuries that we know of plays all
the time.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
He's also a first baseman, which is physically demanding position.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
It is, But I would say there's a multi pronged
thing here, like you don't want Ryannie to come back
too early because he wants to. And look, we didn't U,
Steve and Sean didn't notice when they reacted originally to
this about how Ronnie was apparently having a nagging issue
the day before and they let him play, Like we
haven't talked about that on the podcast. You and I

(45:12):
that that stuff cannot happen, Like this season is over.
You cannot put your friends up. I know he wanted
to play, I know he begged to play or whatever.
I get it. Somebody has to tell him, Ronnie, we
love you. You're not playing today, Like somebody has to,
and snit is for whatever reason, is a player's manager.
He just won't say that to anybody, it seems like.
So that's that's one thing. So I am not of

(45:34):
the mind where I'm like, if they don't shut him
down for the season, I'm going to be in a rage.
But if he comes back as Smidge too early, I'll
be furious. Like if there is I mean the old
Bobby Cox was like, give him the extra day. I remember,
you remember that whole thing with Ronnie. It's give him

(45:56):
an extra two weeks, Like, I mean, the season is over.
I understand if he's like in the same way as
Chris Sale. By the way, Chris Sale is apparently like
I'm not sitting like Chris Sale. There's buzz around the
team that Chris is like, I'm coming back this year.
I hope not for his sake, but if Ronnie's let's
say Ronnie's back on Let's say Ronnie could play on
August seventeenth, They're still playing for six more, seven more

(46:21):
weeks after that. It's kind of a hard sell to
him to be like, you know, Ronnie, we know you're healthy,
You're still not playing all.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Get it.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
I'm just I'm kind of just I'm not I'm not
even sure I believe what I'm saying, but I'm going
to give you the There is a real counter there,
like you don't want to make Ronnie like mad at
you as an organization when he's your guy. But so
maybe it's like, hey, he's back, he's eligible or not eligible,
but he's able to play without risk. They think on
August seventeenth. Maybe you say, all right, Ronnie, here's the deal.

(46:51):
September first, you can come back two extra weeks Labor Day. Yeah,
and we're not We're not, obviously full disclosure, we're not
medical experts. We don't know. Well, maybe we are, but
it's I don't think you can. I get it. On
all sides. I get the reaction. I had the same
reaction as soon as I even it was. I exhaled

(47:13):
first when I saw Grade one castoring, like oh grank God.
And then I also said, I hope he doesn't play
anymore this year. And but we also speaking not talking
besides of our mouth, we've also said multiple times in
the last couple of weeks, he's the reason to keep watching,
like he is thrilling, Like I don't think you play
him to sell tickets, but like man, I I love

(47:35):
washing him play. I'm I'm excited to watch him play.
I also don't want to see him play anytime soon.
Go go, go go away, Get get healthy, Ronnie. You
could bring the juice from the dugout.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think the Braves are
going to play Acunya, and I think we're all going
to have to just close our eyes, cross our fingers
and say a prayer every single night that that kid's
body holds up because another their catastrophic injury would just
be so unbelievably crushing if this kid loses another season

(48:07):
because of a bad injury. So let's hope. Thank goodness,
it was just when Ronald was like tearing up in
that media interview.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
I mean player, I mean people know.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Right, there's obviously you go get tests, but you know
if something is wrong with your body, And when he
started crying man, or was about to cry, it was like,
oh my god, did he just do something serious? So,
thank goodness, Ronald is going to be okay. I if
it was me and there was no ramifications, I would
shut him down and say see in February. But I

(48:37):
get it again, we're not oblivious. There is a business
to this. And also Ronald wants to play, and you're
not going to be able to necessarily sell him on
Hey man, there's forty five games left in the season.
You're going to be sitting the bench for a month and.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
A half while healthy, Like that's yeah, it's easier to
be like, hey, Ronnie, take your time coming back. We
want you to be one hundred and fifty fifty percent
cleared everything. That's an easier sell than like, hey, you're
healthy for six weeks and we're just not gonna play you.
I don't think he's gonna like that, So I get
all that we are on the same page. I think
he's gonna play, and we'll leave it there. Unless you

(49:15):
want to talk about anything else, we can get out
of here, and I'll just want to mention the Braves
have this standalone National Bristol game on Saturday at a
motor speedway. It should have been an awesome event. It's
still gonna be a cool thing to be a fair.
It should have been an awesome like for baseball, for
the Braves thing. And now it's like the Braves are terrible,

(49:36):
the vibes are terrible, but they're gonna set a literal
MLB A tenance record on Saturday, like they've already announced
that they've already it's like eighty five thousand plus tickets
at a motor speedway. Stritter's pitching, like, we're not gonna
really do preview content the rest of the season. We'll
talk about some games. Still, I'm not gonna just ignore
the games but like, this is probably the last time
that we'll like be like, hey, there's a big game

(49:57):
coming up on Saturday. It's on Fox. It's National Fox.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah, it's it's gonna be really cool. I mean that
many people in a stadium of any kind watching a
baseball game is going to be really unique. And sure,
in a better world, the Braves should be a lot
better and this would be like a spectacle for us
all and all that, but.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah, it'll be neat. I'll flip it on.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
I have found myself watching a little more baseball around
the league instead of just the Braves. Like I've adopted
the Detroit Tigers, So you know, go Tigers.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
I'll probably my day. You don't know this. That's my
that's my dad's favorite team. There you go, you're a
Michigan fan. He grew up. I'm a Michigan fans my dad,
and he grew up a Tiger's fan. So he's not
like he's not a diehard Tigers fan. But I will
certainly if I had an American League team, it would
be the Tigers. So I am already there with you.
So I guess we didn't know this sports roof for
the same team Go Tigers.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
The Camera Territory podcast supports you, and I mean, what
it just again, I know it sucks the Braves are
so bad, but what a great trade deadline for the league.
Carlos Korea going back to the Astros. Yeah, the Mason
Miller for Leo de Vry's trade was an all timer.
I mean there was like from maybe what was it, Brad.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Like noon eastern?

Speaker 2 (51:13):
I mean really all day was pretty action packed. Even
last Wednesday night at midnight there were trades going down
and then the morning was a little bit of a lull.
But maybe from like eleven o'clock eastern to right up
until the deadline at six was just awesome, great day
for baseball. So many big trades. There were some I missed.
I was like, oh, I didn't even realize that guy

(51:33):
got moved.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Charlie Morton got traded to the Tigers. Go Tigers.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Now even more reason. So yeah, I mean again, it's
it's on brand. Then, on a day that was so
action packed, the Braves did not.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Do a damn thing.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
But I guess we should have known, Brad, we should
have known better that this is gonna be a busy,
you know, forward looking day for the franchise.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Yeah, we should have known. Uh, I'll leave that there
for now. We'll just we'll let it's there. We shouldn't,
we shouldn't. I have to take four responsibility. People told
us that they were probably just being doomers at the time,
but they were right. The domers are right on this one, Scott.
When we were tweeting about the show tonight earlier today,
like well, they're not doing it anyway. Well, I thought
the whole time they're gonna do something. I thought. I
would have not said one hundred percent, but I would

(52:18):
have taken a bet against anyone that Risell would be
traded and I would have lost. Yeah. That was the
big That was literally the big one. All right, Scott. Well,
thank you for being here, Thank you for being patient
with me, recording later than we were supposed to because
I was busy. Anything to plug on the way out.
And our final podcast for the month of July, because
that's the thing dead lies at the end of July.

(52:38):
This is our last July podcast. By the way, We'll
still be doing podcasts in August. People keep telling us
not to do podcasts. I love I love I love everybody.
I love you all for time to take care of us.
We're still doing podcast Sorry.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
We're gonna do podcasts. We're working on some guests and
some segments, and I mean, honestly, Bred, we're gonna start
looking ahead to twenty twenty six here, probably a lot
earlier than we normally would.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Maybe it on Sunday, look at.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
A weekly look ahead to twenty twenty six, and yeah,
we'll see, but we'll keep doing shows. We appreciate you
checking out. It's therapy. It's therapeutic for us to kind
of talk through it. We hope everybody continues to tune
in and enjoy the shows.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
That we do.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
We're gonna keep rolling, and then even in the off season,
we're gonna keep rolling.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
That's what we do. And yeah, I mean, I think.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Just two more months, Brad, we'll survive this together, all
of us, the community will get through it and then
hopefully an off season with some it's gonna be a
busy off season, or at least it should be a
busy off season famous last words.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
But yeah, that's where we are right now. Scott, thank
you for being here again. You can follow him at
Scott Coleman fifty five on the Twitter machine. If you
want to follow me there at bt rolling. If you
want follow the show, because you should at hamber Territory, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook,
and then the most important thing, please subscribe to Hammer Territory,

(53:54):
download the podcast, listen to the podcast, Tell your friends
about the podcast, Apple, Spotify, Tube, etc. Likes, ratings, reviews appreciated.
We do sincerely appreciate everybody listening to the show. Even
we're telling us not to do podcasts, you're just taking
care of us, and I very much appreciate that. We
really do, the four of us. I will speak with
the four of us, thank you so much for listening.
We'll have more cons that coming, no matter what happens,

(54:16):
and we'll see everybody next time.
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