July 31, 2025 • 39 mins
Shawn Coleman and Stephen Tolbert discuss the best case scenario outcome for Ronald Acuna Jr.'s injury. Plus, the Braves act as buyers and sellers with the bullpen and what to expect with some notable names as Deadline Day arrives.
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
One and all to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My name
is Sean Coleman. Back with you for a second straight night,
as we are here to break down all the happenings
when it comes to the Braves and deadline. We can,
of course back in the saddle with me. He is
my podcast partner, Stephen Colbert. Stephen, Good to see you again, sir.
(00:41):
Before the podcast, me and Stephen were bantering back and forth.
I got the best of Stephen. He'll never admit it,
but as always, sir, good to see you. Good evening.
We need to talk about when it comes to the Braves.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Hey, buddy, Yeah, two nights in a row, after after
nothing for ten days for me, two in a row.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, some things to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
We got some big news with Ronnie, some good news
with Ronnie, which is, you know, we haven't gotten much
good news this year, especially on the injury front, so
we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Talk about that.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Obviously, the Braves made a couple of smaller moves today.
Those feel like precursors to kind of the big names
that are probably coming off the board in the next
twenty hours or so. I don't know exactly what the
how long maybe I've talked tomorrow. So yeah, right around
nineteen twenty hours, So we're gonna talk about the little moves.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
The Braves actually played a baseball game today, which if
you missed.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I don't blame you.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It was It was a one to nothing extra innings loss,
just a classic Braves loss, and we'll probably won't talk
about that at all actually, So but yeah, some stuff
to get to tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, you know, we'll we'll we'll hit and you know,
the Braves did lose one to nothing today to the Royals.
One big thing though, is that Joey went to thes
you know, picked up basically for nothing a few weeks ago.
He has been I'm not going to say he's been
a revelation, but he has been a bright spot for
this team over the past you know, a few weeks.
(02:11):
So you know, definitely gonna be interesting to see kind
of how he develops. I definitely think that he has
earned himself a roastation spot to keep his time goes on.
So we'll talk about him a little bit later in
the show. But let's get to the big news of
course of the day, and that is the positive news
that came from Ronald a'coone Jr. Now, in this episode,
there's not going to be hot takes like a you
(02:32):
know potential you know, Spencer of Strider trade and all
that different stuff. But if you watch through the show
last night, you saw some pretty sincere reaction to as
we were getting notes on Ronald Cooney Junior after last
night's game. For a moment there, it didn't look too promising,
but thankfully, thankfully, the news today is that he has
a Grade one calf strain. Now, that is about it
(02:55):
as good of an outcome as you possibly can have
in this type of scenario. I'm not going to act
like a medical act Burt or anything, but that is
definitely better than many of the other outcomes that we
thought could be on the table last night. However, Stephen,
I do think that it is very, very important that
this Braves team takes caution because we've recently seen in
(03:15):
the sports world itself, how even a minor CAF string,
if not handled right, could lead to something much more significant.
That's the first thing. The second thing is is that
this shouldn't have even been a conversation to begin with
if it was true that Roderd dccooney Junior first had
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something occurred with his achilles on Monday night. Also when
he gets to your thoughts on the fact that he
was able to play despite the fact that the team
knew about him potentially tweaking his achilles for Monday night.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, so, first of all, the news that it's just
a CAF string is obviously a huge sigh relief. There
was real concern, especially when we find out, like Ronald
was like holding back tears. You know, oftentimes you you
kind of know before any everyone else knows if you
have a significant injury. So that's what everybody feared. And
(04:11):
so we didn't get that. We didn't get the you know,
the dreaded achilles tear, which, as everyone knows with Mike
Soroka if you follow on the other sport, it's just
a it's a devastating injury and it can be year
plus and it could be one that's just hard to
come back from period.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So we didn't get that. We gotta we got a
cash strain.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Now, like you said, cash trains can lead to something
more serious and so and this is what you and
I talked about last night before we got to the
end of the show. Not really knowing what's going on
with a Kunya. But you know, this is one of
those situations where you just have to be ultra ultra
ultra conservative.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
There is zero reason, zero.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I know Ronnie wants to play, and I'm sure that's
why he's upset because he's probably gonna miss a month
and that sucks because he's.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Missed so much time.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
But all eyes around twenty twenty six. Now, no one
cares about twenty twenty five anymore. I I honestly, if
you ask Brian Snicker right now, I'm not sure he
cares about twenty twenty five. And that guy lives in
the moment more than any guy you've ever met in
your life, and I don't even think he cares about
twenty twenty five anymore. So the brave should not be
putting Ronald Coon Junior back on the field for anything
(05:22):
less than he is a one hundred percent good and
he has been one hundred percent good for like two
straight weeks, and they gave him extra time and extra
time and extra time to rest, and he just wants
to get back out there before the season's over, gets
him at bats in, you know, and go into the
offseason kind.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Of with a normal offseason.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
If you want to do that, fine, is zero reason
to do anything past that. And so, like you said,
you have to be you have to be so careful
with these which means Ronnie's gonna be down for probably
a month, and that's what he needs to do, and
you know that's what the Brave should do. It did
piss me off. I was just like everybody else. It
pissed me off that Ronald said something to the staff,
(06:04):
to the coaches, to the trainers on Monday about his
calf slash achilles and then was able to talk himself
back into the lineup on Tuesday. Like That's the reason
that managers and trainers exist is so that players can't
do that, because a player is always going to try
to talk himself into the lineup, and the whole reason
(06:26):
you're there is to make sure that doesn't happen to
your MVP candidate in the middle of a lost season.
Like that pissed me off. It really did, and it
still kind of pisses me off.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It's just stupid.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
It's absolutely stupid to have this guy out there. I
don't care if he says he's good to go, if
he if he complains about anything, you shut it down,
shut it down and get it looked at. And so yeah,
that did piss me off. It was calmed a little
bit by the fact that it was not a significant
injury that's going to affect twenty twenty six, but overall
positive news.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It's just a calf strain.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
He's gonna miss you know, a month, but again, no
one cares about twenty twenty five anymore.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Should be good for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
So, you know, in a season with very very very
few instances of.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Good news, we did get some good news today, and your.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Munion absolutely and it's great to say, hey, you know what,
it's it's a guarantee the Braves are gonna get a
new injury every week and then you're gonna have to
remimei done mute myself every show. The point that I'm
getting at, though, is that I'm not going to go
into as long of a stoapbox moment as I wanted to.
(07:40):
You know, on Twitter, I normally don't do threads. Last
night I did a thread because I was pissed, like
there's just it and and the whole thing about Ronald
Acuna Junior still being able to play besides the fact
that he clearly was not right. That goes all the
way at the top. That is a full on flaw
(08:02):
from the top to the bottom when it comes to
the decision chain, and that it can't happen. There is
no bigger factor in this ship being righted and us
getting back to the being a contender that this franchise
fan base, everybody associated with the Braves wants to be.
There's no bigger factor in that becoming a reality than
Ronald not only being healthy but also being effective. Yeah,
(08:25):
and you can't put that in jeopardy, especially when it
comes to a lower body injury to the severity of
a potential Achilles tear. You can't let that happen. And
it also is a bit frustrating when you know that
this coaching staff and Brian Sticker is likely not going
(08:47):
to be here beyond this year. If you know that
that's a fact and you're Alex and Thopless and you're
the front office, you sure as hell better make sure
they don't play a part in any decisions that could
potentially what were your chances of being where you want
to be post them being here or beyond them being
here That's what frustrated me the most off the soapbox.
(09:09):
At the end of the day, Ronnie is just fine,
but we're just seeing too many examples of too much
risk being added by common sense not being applied when
it comes to the Braves organization. That has to stop.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, and your point is a good one, Like it
is a little bit of like a lame duck. It's
definitely a lame duck manager. There's nobody that thinks Brian
Sticker is going to be the manager next year. And
also with like a lot of the staff, like no
one knows who's going to be around next year on
the coaching staff, on the training staff, Like it does
feel like sometimes they have just like kind of let
(09:50):
go of the rope. You know, we had that weird
thing with aj smith Schaalver earlier in the year where
like Spencer Strider had to like point out that he's
not something not right.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It's like, guys, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Like let's it has been weird And yeah, this kind
of lame duck feeling is interesting when everything should be
focused on twenty twenty six right now. But you probably
have a lot of coaching staffs who are are a
lot of coaches on the staff who potentially coaching their
last games for the Braves in twenty twenty five, so
(10:25):
that is an interesting dynamic. And I yeah, of course
everybody was pissed about the Acuna stuff. And you know,
if he said something on Monday and it was it
was basically ignored or you know, forgotten about or whatever. Yeah,
pissed people off. And I don't blame people for being
pissed off. There's zero reason you should be taking any
chances with this dude, like you said, on a lower
(10:47):
body injury in a lost season. I mean, come on,
like this is like, this is the most common sense
stuff in the world.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, And I don't want anybody to take what I
said the wrong way. I don't think that, you know,
the coaching staff are Snicker is doing anything like negative.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You know, like no, it's not like intentional, it's just
like it's almost it's more than just like negligence.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, exactly the level of awareness that is needed to
make sure that we are minimizing as much risk as
possible for negative things to occur. That is a weakness
of Brian Snicker and this coaching staff. And one of
the reasons why I think it makes sense to move
on from them. You just got to be aware that
that aspect of this coaching staff and a snicker doesn't
(11:28):
lead to, you know, potentially things like this occurring where
there could be risk and potentially seeing what happens.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
But forget an earthquake. You've got an earthquake going on.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Shaking of my table, I have a visitor in my room.
My four legged son has decided to visit meeting. Oh
bit of storms here, but we're good. The other thing
that's good for the Braves, though, when we talk about
the fact that things are shaking up when it comes
to this roster, is they've done a very good job
so far at this deadline, in my opinion of checking
(12:01):
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I think that they have accomplished a few goals without
literally giving up anything of value. Means Steven are going
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Speaker 1 (13:19):
So let me try this again. Welcome back to the
Hammer Territory podcast, and of course we've talked about the
big news of the day. Ronald Acunya, Junior is going
to be just fine. A Grade one calf strain, something
that should allow for him to be back, hopefully tow
one hundred percent within three weeks. There's a very realistic
possibility that within a month he could be back on
the baseball diamond, unless the Braves wisely decide to hold
(13:42):
him out. The thing though, that I'll say is this
is that when it comes to the Braves, the news
of the week has been the fact that they have
been making deals. They've been one of the more active
teams in baseball. But it's simply to check common sense boxes.
You know, Eric Fetti on Sunday, Carlos Grasco, who's going
to start to night on Monday. And then today, two
(14:03):
notable trades, both in terms of sending out a reliever
and buying a reliever. And let's talk about the reliever
that they bought. And it's going back to a familiar
will and that is one Tyler Kinley, a veteran right
handed reliever from the Colorado Rockies. We've heard this story before.
A reliever who clearly has better numbers outside of Colorado
(14:26):
than at Colorado or than you know in cooers Field,
and someone who relies heavily on a breaking ball, a
very similar profile to Pierce Johnson, though I don't think
that he is the upside of Pieris Johnson. But that
being said, Stephen, what I will say is I do
think that this is a notable trade for the Braves
because not only does it help out in twenty twenty five,
(14:47):
but there's the potential it also could fill a role
in twenty six.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, I did feel familiar because you're going to the Rockies.
You're getting a kind of a veteran reliever in his thirties.
But maybe he doesn't have thedra but has some metrics
that you like, has a profile that you like, maybe
specifically has a pitch that you like. And obviously you
know this was all happen. This was all the kind
of the Pierce Johnson trade from a couple.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Of years ago.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
And then with ken Lee, you know, instead of the
curveball like it is with Pierce Johnson, it's the slider.
And you know, everyone knows how much Piers Johnson throws
his curveball. Kenley throws a slider just about as much.
It's like sixty percent of the time. He's got a
mid nineties fastball too, And like Sean just said, he's
got better numbers on the road than he does in Cores.
(15:36):
And listen, just getting out of Coors in general, even
if it's not on the road, it just helps. Like
playing in Coors Field is so difficult. It's not just
even the altitude in games that you're playing, it's what
always playing in altitude does.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
To you when you're on the road.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Like there's a whole they've done studies on like how
difficult it is to constantly go in and out of altitude,
And like just getting out of Cores is just a
is usually a pretty good indication that somebody you know,
that are it's a it's a good bet that you
can get better production out of somebody.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
So I did.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I had no problem with the trade. There were people
that were like really mad about this trade. The Braves
sent over I mean no disrespect to the kid, but
like a ham sandwich, Like they sent over a twenty
six year old like double a player who was like
their eighteenth round pick, like maybe their ninetieth best prospect basically,
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And so it was a very very small deal and
people got really upset over I still don't quite understand
what happened there, But it's you know, and this reliever
has an option for next year. He's got a five
million dollar option on the for twenty twenty six, which
is probably a significant part of this.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
But if the Braves trade a couple of.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Relievers here in the next twenty hours, well, guess what,
They're gonna need some arms to fill those innings for
the rest of the season. And this is a guy
that can do that. And on top of that, he's
got a little upside if you can get him out
of cores and he's got an option for now.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Ye just it's just logical.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
It's not like it doesn't change the organization, but it's
just like a logical trade. I had no problem with.
It's good process in my opinion. You know, it's it's
a chance to maybe hit on a decent reliever and
you gave up nothing.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
So no, it was a fun trade. You know.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
It's kind of kicked off the day and it made
sense to me.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I thought it was a good process.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
And if it works out to where you know, Alex
and Thopless once again hits on a reliever, a veteran
reliever who's kind of entering his mid thirties, and he's
able to extract value of him, you know, compared to
where he came from. That's something that alex Is on
Thopless has done time and time again, getting these relievers
in their thirties who come to Atlanta and offer good value.
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And basically the upside is this is that next year,
when you hope to contend, maybe Tyler Kinley is like
your fourth best right handed option out of the bullpen.
He's an upgrade on the guy that you dfa to
bring him on the squad, which was Anno Delos Santos,
who is another notable transaction who looked good earlier this
year but as of late has struggled mightily. But that's
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the whole key here. You gave up nothing to potentially
fill in one of your lower, you know, leverage relievers
for next year. But you need guys that can eat innings,
and you need guys that can eat in needs effectively.
And alex and Thopolis went back to a similar well
that he's found success doing before.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Steven.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Of course, the other news of the day was the
fact that the Braves bought and they saw they got
Tyler Kinley, who potentially could be an option this year
obviously and next year. But they also were able to
trade veteran right handed reliever Rafael Montero to the Detroit
Tigers for a twenty four year old prospect and utility
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in fielder if you will, who's highly regarded in terms
of his makeup and then you know, you know his versatility,
named Jim Jarvis. The fact that they were able to
get anything of note for Rafiel Montero feels like a win,
but it also feels like it's just the tip of
the iceberg. We should start to see the Braves in
the news more frequently, especially when it comes to selling
(19:08):
off obvious pieces.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, this felt like kind of the first Domino in
some ways. I know the Braves had made a trade
where they were buying for a twenty twenty six piece,
but in terms of the actual selloff of twenty twenty
five and specifically the bullpen and maybe Ozuna, this felt
like the first Domino. I'm surprised a team was willing
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to give the Braves anything for Montero. I mean, I've
pretty famously been very low on Montero the entire season.
He actually has pitched better than I thought he would
like he had a real run in there in the
middle of the season where he was effective.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
He just walks so many guys.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I just I don't trust him, but you know, the
Tigers wanted more depth. Jim Jarvis is not like a
This is not an incredible prospect by any stre He
went to Alabama, so he's kind of a Southern kid,
probably grew up a Braves fan. Alabama is the school
I roof, I don't care. I don't follow college baseball,
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so I've never heard of this person before.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But he did play at Alabama.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You know, he's a middle infield prospect, which the Braves
have zero, you know in the upper miners.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I think he's probably gonna go to.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Double A, probably already one of their best infield prospects
in the miners, at least in the upper miners, you know,
simply out of a lack of anything else. So yeah,
what the heck? You know, getting him from Montaro? Sure,
I would assume they would have just dfa'ed Montero at
some point. So yeah, this is better than that, and
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we'll see what he does. But this, did you know,
more than the deal itself, which is probably going to
be pretty uneventful. For the Braves in the long term.
This did feel like the first of more to come
in the next eighteen to twenty hours.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, and we've already seen, you know. I mentioned Joey
Wentz at the top of the podcast how good he
has looked so far in his time with the Braves.
But the thing that also stands out to me is that,
you know, getting a Tyler Kinley, getting Joey Winz. We
could even throw Eric Fetti into this if all of
a sudden rediscovers something of what helped him during his
breakout year in twenty twenty four. The thing also that
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is there for this Braves team is that you don't
expect any of these acquisitions that are coming in and
meant to really help us get through twenty twenty five
to be contributors in twenty twenty six. But they could be.
And the Braves again have worked their magic with arms
that in previous places did not work out. It would
be very good to see the Braves be able to
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make one or two of these guys potential depth in
twenty six. So again I applaud what Alexanthopolis has done
so far in terms of getting guys who could just
come in and eat innings. But also you potentially are
bringing in guys to where if Rick Krantz and his
staff can work with them, maybe you can find something
to where one or two of these guys could be
contributors to twenty twenty six. That also could be an
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unexpected outcome from these moves, especially when you've not given
up anything of value so far to get them.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, and that's the big thing is you're not taking
anything away that would have been in any way valuable
for you next year.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
So you know Montero wasn't going to be on the
team next year.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Uh, this double a prospect they gave to the Rockies
for you know, for Kenley is not somebody who's ever
gonna help.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
So like you haven't you haven't risked anything.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
And now the overwhelming, you know, overwhelmingly likely likely outcome
here is that none of these guys ever contribute anything
to the Braves of any significance. Because that's kind of
the level of trades we're talking about here. But just
on process, trading away guys that had zero future in
Atlanta for guys that maybe have a five percent chance
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of a future in Atlanta is good process. You know,
you just you've increased your odds, you've increased your chances
of somebody contributing. So I have no problem with traits
like this is what the race should be doing now.
Obviously everybody hopes that there are slightly more significant trades
tomorrow with some bigger names and potentially some bigger prospects. Well,
you know, obviously we'll address those as they happen. And
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I think that's where some of the anks comes from,
is people are like, oh, this is all they're going
to do, Alex, you know, once again sitting on his hand,
all that stuff, you know, all the kind of the
rage that came from the off season, but on the process,
just on the trades themselves, on their own, you know, face,
I had no problem with any of this.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Absolutely. Again, it's just common sense, good process, which is
something that we have been asking for for quite a
while now the draft and so far through this trade deadline,
it's good process.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But now is the time.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Now is the real last opportunity for you to get
some needed talent, for you to get some needed and
additional talent, that valuable infusion of talent where you need
it the most. This is really your last opportunity before
the off season to be able to do that, and
tomorrow could be setting up potentially quite well for this
(24:03):
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Speaker 5 (25:14):
So Stephen.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Of course, today has been very busy, and obviously the
big deal that everybody was kind of waiting for you,
Genio swar Is just went down. You Genio Swoz of
the Diamondbacks heading to the Mariners. So that is another
big name that now is off the market. And the
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(25:35):
but it potentially sets up well for the Braves because
you've seen the big relievers move, You've seen a couple
of the big bats move. I know that tomorrow a
lot of ours are going to be focused just on
how big of starting pitching names may potentially move. But
plenty of teams out there still need a potential difference
making that. There may be no bigger ceiling of a
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bat than Marcelo Zuna. There are still plenty of teams
who need handed relief pitching. There may be few better
options than a right someth Iglesias or a Pierce Johnson.
It with some of the prices that we've seen paid today,
I think a seller's market certainly still remains beneficial even
with all the action we've already seen. It should be
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a day that the Braves will that hopefully the Braves
will be active. They absolutely need.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
To be active.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, that's a fun deal for Seattle. They've they just
matched you know, matched up cal Rawley now Witheo Suarez,
who I think between the two of them have hit
seven hundred homers this year.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
So that's cool.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Good on Seattle for going for it.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
But yeah, you're right. I mean, listen, none of this
is in a vacuum. All of it's in a market.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
So when names come off the board, then the name
is still left on the board.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
You know, value changes, and like you.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Just said, Suarez was clearly the top bat on the market,
Azuna is somewhere behind him, and now he just got
bumped up a slot, and like you said, there are
still team who won offense, and so.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
It's good.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That'sas you know, is off the border. They kind of
gives the Braves an entire day tomorrow to find the
best deal for Azuna. I would be stunned. I don't
know how you feel. Give me your opinion, Sean, because
I said eighty five ninety percent sure that Ozuna was
going to be traded last night.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Where are you at right now?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Like if I said, give me the percentage Marcello Zuna
is getting traded between now and five pm tomorrow or
six pm tomorrow, where are you at.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
One hundred percent if rycel Iglacias and Marcelo Zuna are
If either one of them are on this team twenty
four hours from now, Braves Country should be pissed because
the Braves are not doing what they clearly need to
do in order to make this organization better moving forward.
And that's nothing against Ozuna or ricell Iglacias. I want
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the Braves to do right by both of them by
sending them two teams where they legitimately will be able
to place magnificant roles and whatever team they go to,
hopefully being a contender. I wish both of them the best.
They've offered tremendous value to the Braves, but the value
they have right now is bringing back whatever future value
comes from them being dealt. So I personally will be pissed,
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and I think that anybody in Braves country should be pissed.
I am one hundred percent on board with both Iggy
as well as Marcelo Zuna being traded because we need
to make decisions based off what brings the most value
for the future and dealing both of them, especially when
their market should be more favorable now than they were
even twenty four hours ago. There's no reason why the
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Braves should hold on to either one of them through tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, and listen, there are times just because of how
the CBA works like, there are times where if you're
going to offer the guy a qualifying offer and potentially
get a draft pick, then the value that you need
back in a trade needs to exceed the value of
that draft pick to justify trading him. That's not the
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situation for the Braves. The Braves are not off the Bras.
There's no world where the Braves would be offering a
qualifying offer to Ozuna or Iglesias at the end of
this season. So that you know that doesn't exist. There's
not that barrier that you have to clear to justify
a trade. This is just if you don't trade him,
they're walking at the end of the year. For nothing,
so you might as well get something. Get something for them.
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It doesn't have to be the greatest trade of all time.
But I agree with you not doing not trading them
at all and just standing padder or doing very little
would be weird. It just doesn't make any sense. Go
get something for them. So yeah, it's you know, it's
big that Suarez is off the board. Duran from the
Twins is off the board. He went to the Phillies,
which is a significant move for the division, by the way,
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because I think he still has like two or three
years of team control, so he's gonna be around.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
For a while. That's that.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
That matters. Uh, The Mets got Ryan Helsley, another one
of the big closers off the board. Again, that matters
for a Glaciers his market. I think Mason Miller is
still out there as kind of a premium guy.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
But there's not a lot left.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I mean, a lot of relievers have already been moved,
so and the Braves still have basically all their you know,
if they want to move with Glaciers, if they want
to move Pierce Johnson, they want to move Bummer. You know,
all those guys are still out there and available. So, yeah,
it's gonna be interesting. Tomorrow's got in the next Yeah,
next twenty hours are going to be pretty interesting. I'm
hoping the brads are active. I don't need big returns,
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but just move them for something, get something back. Don't
just stand pat that would be that'd be lame as hell,
quite honestly.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
And the other thing that stands out to me is that,
especially in the American League, you're seeing Seattle going for
it right like, because because they're going out and getting
rentals for prospects that probably are reasonable returns, but they're
not just absolutely franchised changing talents that they're changing for
these rentals. If you're an American League team, if you're
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the Rangers, or you're the Tigers, or you're the Blue Jays,
and you're in a better than expected position than you
thought you'd be this year in a wide open league,
even if you're the Yankees, you know, deeming another bat
with Marcelo Zuna, nor excuse me, Aaron Judge on the IL,
come get veteran guys who you know can contribute and
have been there before to contribute in the playoffs. Both
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Marcelo Zuna and Ry Silly Galasias have played big roles
for the Braves and other teams in playoff runs. So
these guys have track records, They've been able to show
they can produce, they can help out your team. Come
in a You're not gonna have to sit there and
worry about too much after this season. And also I'm
sure the Braves would be willing to pay down their contract.
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And again I go to this point. If I'm the Braves,
I am not hesitating and stacking them in the same
offer Ozuna, Iglesias and ten plus million here you go
to get the max offer back. So I don't think
that it's a desperate situation where the Braves just need
to sell them off for whatever they can get back.
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But I think that there are still plenty of teams
who definitely could see either Iggy or Ozuna being an
upgrade afaddit to the roster to where it makes sense
for the Braves, yes, to hold on to the last
minute to the right deal, but still make that deal
to get the job done.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Well, and listen, if you're an American, I mean, who's
the best team in the American League? Like, I don't
know who it is. I like the Tigers were the
best team in the American League for a lot of
the first half, but then they they just went through
this massive like I think they went one in twelve
in like thirteen games or.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Astros were there, but they're featured like crazy. The Yankees
just lost, Judge. You could make a case, especially if
the Mariner's rotation gets healthy once again, you can make
a case the Mariners are right there to make a
move and they would have got and they could be
another team that could go out and get an arm
as well. I don't think they're in the market for
Ozuna anymore, but maybe they could get a Pierce Johnson
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or Iggy. But to your point, I think you could
make the case that three to five different teams are
the best team in the American League right now.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
And that's the point is that if you're one, if
you're like the Rangers, or if you're you know, if
you're some of these like maybe not great. I think
the Blue Jays were like the number one team in
the American League for a minute, like it's wide open.
You know, it's wide open to go win a pennant.
There's no clear dominant team, you know, go get a
go come, come, get a veteran closer and a veteran
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DH to help you get across the line. Even in
the National League, I mean, I don't know that there's
you know, does anybody actually believe the Cubs are like
the greatest team, like the Dodgers are supposed to be,
but their an entire pitching staff is hurt now, show
has hurt, Mookie Bess is having a weird ass season.
Freddy Freeman's even having kind of a weird season for
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his standards. Like, I don't even know if the Dodgers
are like the greatest team that they were supposed to be.
It's just kind of a wide open league right now,
and there's a lot of teams that are kind of
on the periphery of being. Know, in the playoffs, you
can see teams like the Reds or you know, there's
a number of teams that could just be like, you
know what, we're gonna go for it, We're gonna try,
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and we're gonna make a splash.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
So yeah, that's good. That hold.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
The whole dynamic of the league right now is so
up in the air. It can make tomorrow really interesting
in terms of who's buying and how aggressive they get.
So and obviously the Braves have some names that could
be of interest, so it should make tomorrow. Tomorrow is
gonna be fun.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
And there's even the added aspect from you know, hey, again,
the Braves both bought and sold today. Perhaps the Braves
you know, take what they get from these trades and
go find someone that they feel can contribute in twenty
six and again they truly buy and sell at the deadline.
The thing that I will say is this as we
wrap up this edition of the Hammer Territory podcast. I
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know that many have talked about the fact that Alex
and Topless always seems to potentially make moves that no
one really thought of. Last year, it was down to
the wire in the last minute he went out and
acquired Jorge cil there again that I don't think many
people were expecting. So the point that I'm getting at
is just because the Braves have not made a really
significant move or we've not seen any of these names
we've consistently mentioned moved as and yet we've still got
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plenty of time. Even if it's an hour left and
we've not seen anything occur, Alex typically will make it
will have action at the very end, So make sure
that you check it all out and we're gonna have
you covered here on the Hammer Territory podcast. Brad, Roland
and Scott will be back with you tomorrow night. Obviously,
the Braves are going to be playing this weekend as well,
so plenty to talk about that. We'll have obviously plenty
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of analysis on what's going on on the field after
we know more about what's gonna happen at this trade
Die Drake trade deadline following tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
So as we get out here, Sean, I'm gonna do
a little I'm gonna do a little game for you. Okay,
I'm gonna give you a name off the team and
I'm on. I just want to answer yes or no
come six pm tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
They're on the Braves? Are they're not on the Braves? Okay?
You ready for this? You're muted, by the way.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
So Marcelo is in a yes or no on the team,
Off the team gone, Gone, Rossill Glaciers on the team.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Off the team, Off the team.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Pierce Johnson on the team, off the team, off the team,
Aaron Bummer.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
On the team off you say off on?
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Oh you said on the team Is there anybody else
that I didn't mention that you think could be off
the team?
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Na?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Not not, not really. I don't think that all the team,
all the Tea.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
On the team. Okay, I wasn't sure. I think he's
probably on the team. Okay, Sean Murphy, he's on the.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Team, Chris Sale, What about you, Sean Murphy?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Do you think there's a chance they do it? I
do not.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
I don't see that occurring.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
All the messaging has been the hard the other way, so,
but you know, I mean with Alex, you never know.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
But well, it's actually with the fact that for these,
for Pierce Johnson, Iggy and Marcel, you're in a favorable
spot tomorrow with the demand still being there for those
I think if you sell those three off, you're perfectly fine.
And if I'm Alex, I do it without hesitation, because
again I trust my ability to be able to put
together a bullpen. Steven, do you have any more thoughts
with us the eve of the twenty twenty five trade deadline?
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I know, I know that it is from a different
approach than we're used to when it comes to the
Braves this year, But make no mistake about it. It
should be an active and hopefully valuable day for the Braves.
Make sure to check it all out, Stephen, anything else from.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
You, no, yeah, just you know. The content is gonna
change from here on out after we get through tomorrow. Obviously,
Tomorrow is all about deadline, and then we're gonna be
very forward focusing for the rest of the season looking
into twenty twenty six. You know what's what's to watch
for for the rest of twenty twenty five. The content's
gonna be different than we thought it would be, but
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there's gonna be content every week, just like there would
have been if the Brigs are.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
In a pennant race.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
So, even though this year hasn't gone the way we hoped,
and tomorrow is going to be a much different day
than we thought it would be. You know back in March,
the podcast keeps rolling, the content keeps rolling, So we
hope you guys will will join us along the way.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
We'll be there with you every step of the way. Again,
Brad and Scott will be back tomorrow to break down
all the happenings of the day. Steven and I will
be back with you as well. Who knows, if a
big trade comes down the pipe here in the next
hour or so, we'll try our best to certainly have
some content for you as immedia as possible. When it
comes to reaction, it's just going to be fun to
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potentially put on the emergency podcast or two, as we
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talk to you again soon here on the Hammer Territory
podcast
One and all to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My name
is Sean Coleman. Back with you for a second straight night,
as we are here to break down all the happenings
when it comes to the Braves and deadline. We can,
of course back in the saddle with me. He is
my podcast partner, Stephen Colbert. Stephen, Good to see you again, sir.
(00:41):
Before the podcast, me and Stephen were bantering back and forth.
I got the best of Stephen. He'll never admit it,
but as always, sir, good to see you. Good evening.
We need to talk about when it comes to the Braves.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Hey, buddy, Yeah, two nights in a row, after after
nothing for ten days for me, two in a row.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, some things to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
We got some big news with Ronnie, some good news
with Ronnie, which is, you know, we haven't gotten much
good news this year, especially on the injury front, so
we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Talk about that.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Obviously, the Braves made a couple of smaller moves today.
Those feel like precursors to kind of the big names
that are probably coming off the board in the next
twenty hours or so. I don't know exactly what the
how long maybe I've talked tomorrow. So yeah, right around
nineteen twenty hours, So we're gonna talk about the little moves.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
The Braves actually played a baseball game today, which if
you missed.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I don't blame you.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It was It was a one to nothing extra innings loss,
just a classic Braves loss, and we'll probably won't talk
about that at all actually, So but yeah, some stuff
to get to tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, you know, we'll we'll we'll hit and you know,
the Braves did lose one to nothing today to the Royals.
One big thing though, is that Joey went to thes
you know, picked up basically for nothing a few weeks ago.
He has been I'm not going to say he's been
a revelation, but he has been a bright spot for
this team over the past you know, a few weeks.
(02:11):
So you know, definitely gonna be interesting to see kind
of how he develops. I definitely think that he has
earned himself a roastation spot to keep his time goes on.
So we'll talk about him a little bit later in
the show. But let's get to the big news of
course of the day, and that is the positive news
that came from Ronald a'coone Jr. Now, in this episode,
there's not going to be hot takes like a you
(02:32):
know potential you know, Spencer of Strider trade and all
that different stuff. But if you watch through the show
last night, you saw some pretty sincere reaction to as
we were getting notes on Ronald Cooney Junior after last
night's game. For a moment there, it didn't look too promising,
but thankfully, thankfully, the news today is that he has
a Grade one calf strain. Now, that is about it
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as good of an outcome as you possibly can have
in this type of scenario. I'm not going to act
like a medical act Burt or anything, but that is
definitely better than many of the other outcomes that we
thought could be on the table last night. However, Stephen,
I do think that it is very, very important that
this Braves team takes caution because we've recently seen in
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the sports world itself, how even a minor CAF string,
if not handled right, could lead to something much more significant.
That's the first thing. The second thing is is that
this shouldn't have even been a conversation to begin with
if it was true that Roderd dccooney Junior first had
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something occurred with his achilles on Monday night. Also when
he gets to your thoughts on the fact that he
was able to play despite the fact that the team
knew about him potentially tweaking his achilles for Monday night.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, so, first of all, the news that it's just
a CAF string is obviously a huge sigh relief. There
was real concern, especially when we find out, like Ronald
was like holding back tears. You know, oftentimes you you
kind of know before any everyone else knows if you
have a significant injury. So that's what everybody feared. And
(04:11):
so we didn't get that. We didn't get the you know,
the dreaded achilles tear, which, as everyone knows with Mike
Soroka if you follow on the other sport, it's just
a it's a devastating injury and it can be year
plus and it could be one that's just hard to
come back from period.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So we didn't get that. We gotta we got a
cash strain.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Now, like you said, cash trains can lead to something
more serious and so and this is what you and
I talked about last night before we got to the
end of the show. Not really knowing what's going on
with a Kunya. But you know, this is one of
those situations where you just have to be ultra ultra
ultra conservative.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
There is zero reason, zero.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I know Ronnie wants to play, and I'm sure that's
why he's upset because he's probably gonna miss a month
and that sucks because he's.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Missed so much time.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
But all eyes around twenty twenty six. Now, no one
cares about twenty twenty five anymore. I I honestly, if
you ask Brian Snicker right now, I'm not sure he
cares about twenty twenty five. And that guy lives in
the moment more than any guy you've ever met in
your life, and I don't even think he cares about
twenty twenty five anymore. So the brave should not be
putting Ronald Coon Junior back on the field for anything
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less than he is a one hundred percent good and
he has been one hundred percent good for like two
straight weeks, and they gave him extra time and extra
time and extra time to rest, and he just wants
to get back out there before the season's over, gets
him at bats in, you know, and go into the
offseason kind.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Of with a normal offseason.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
If you want to do that, fine, is zero reason
to do anything past that. And so, like you said,
you have to be you have to be so careful
with these which means Ronnie's gonna be down for probably
a month, and that's what he needs to do, and
you know that's what the Brave should do. It did
piss me off. I was just like everybody else. It
pissed me off that Ronald said something to the staff,
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to the coaches, to the trainers on Monday about his
calf slash achilles and then was able to talk himself
back into the lineup on Tuesday. Like That's the reason
that managers and trainers exist is so that players can't
do that, because a player is always going to try
to talk himself into the lineup, and the whole reason
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you're there is to make sure that doesn't happen to
your MVP candidate in the middle of a lost season.
Like that pissed me off. It really did, and it
still kind of pisses me off.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It's just stupid.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
It's absolutely stupid to have this guy out there. I
don't care if he says he's good to go, if
he if he complains about anything, you shut it down,
shut it down and get it looked at. And so yeah,
that did piss me off. It was calmed a little
bit by the fact that it was not a significant
injury that's going to affect twenty twenty six, but overall
positive news.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It's just a calf strain.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
He's gonna miss you know, a month, but again, no
one cares about twenty twenty five anymore.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Should be good for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
So, you know, in a season with very very very
few instances of.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Good news, we did get some good news today, and your.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Munion absolutely and it's great to say, hey, you know what,
it's it's a guarantee the Braves are gonna get a
new injury every week and then you're gonna have to
remimei done mute myself every show. The point that I'm
getting at, though, is that I'm not going to go
into as long of a stoapbox moment as I wanted to.
(07:40):
You know, on Twitter, I normally don't do threads. Last
night I did a thread because I was pissed, like
there's just it and and the whole thing about Ronald
Acuna Junior still being able to play besides the fact
that he clearly was not right. That goes all the
way at the top. That is a full on flaw
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from the top to the bottom when it comes to
the decision chain, and that it can't happen. There is
no bigger factor in this ship being righted and us
getting back to the being a contender that this franchise
fan base, everybody associated with the Braves wants to be.
There's no bigger factor in that becoming a reality than
Ronald not only being healthy but also being effective. Yeah,
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and you can't put that in jeopardy, especially when it
comes to a lower body injury to the severity of
a potential Achilles tear. You can't let that happen. And
it also is a bit frustrating when you know that
this coaching staff and Brian Sticker is likely not going
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to be here beyond this year. If you know that
that's a fact and you're Alex and Thopless and you're
the front office, you sure as hell better make sure
they don't play a part in any decisions that could
potentially what were your chances of being where you want
to be post them being here or beyond them being
here That's what frustrated me the most off the soapbox.
(09:09):
At the end of the day, Ronnie is just fine,
but we're just seeing too many examples of too much
risk being added by common sense not being applied when
it comes to the Braves organization. That has to stop.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, and your point is a good one, Like it
is a little bit of like a lame duck. It's
definitely a lame duck manager. There's nobody that thinks Brian
Sticker is going to be the manager next year. And
also with like a lot of the staff, like no
one knows who's going to be around next year on
the coaching staff, on the training staff, Like it does
feel like sometimes they have just like kind of let
(09:50):
go of the rope. You know, we had that weird
thing with aj smith Schaalver earlier in the year where
like Spencer Strider had to like point out that he's
not something not right.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It's like, guys, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Like let's it has been weird And yeah, this kind
of lame duck feeling is interesting when everything should be
focused on twenty twenty six right now. But you probably
have a lot of coaching staffs who are are a
lot of coaches on the staff who potentially coaching their
last games for the Braves in twenty twenty five, so
(10:25):
that is an interesting dynamic. And I yeah, of course
everybody was pissed about the Acuna stuff. And you know,
if he said something on Monday and it was it
was basically ignored or you know, forgotten about or whatever. Yeah,
pissed people off. And I don't blame people for being
pissed off. There's zero reason you should be taking any
chances with this dude, like you said, on a lower
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body injury in a lost season. I mean, come on,
like this is like, this is the most common sense
stuff in the world.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, And I don't want anybody to take what I
said the wrong way. I don't think that, you know,
the coaching staff are Snicker is doing anything like negative.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You know, like no, it's not like intentional, it's just
like it's almost it's more than just like negligence.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, exactly the level of awareness that is needed to
make sure that we are minimizing as much risk as
possible for negative things to occur. That is a weakness
of Brian Snicker and this coaching staff. And one of
the reasons why I think it makes sense to move
on from them. You just got to be aware that
that aspect of this coaching staff and a snicker doesn't
(11:28):
lead to, you know, potentially things like this occurring where
there could be risk and potentially seeing what happens.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
But forget an earthquake. You've got an earthquake going on.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Shaking of my table, I have a visitor in my room.
My four legged son has decided to visit meeting. Oh
bit of storms here, but we're good. The other thing
that's good for the Braves, though, when we talk about
the fact that things are shaking up when it comes
to this roster, is they've done a very good job
so far at this deadline, in my opinion of checking
(12:01):
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Speaker 1 (13:19):
So let me try this again. Welcome back to the
Hammer Territory podcast, and of course we've talked about the
big news of the day. Ronald Acunya, Junior is going
to be just fine. A Grade one calf strain, something
that should allow for him to be back, hopefully tow
one hundred percent within three weeks. There's a very realistic
possibility that within a month he could be back on
the baseball diamond, unless the Braves wisely decide to hold
(13:42):
him out. The thing though, that I'll say is this
is that when it comes to the Braves, the news
of the week has been the fact that they have
been making deals. They've been one of the more active
teams in baseball. But it's simply to check common sense boxes.
You know, Eric Fetti on Sunday, Carlos Grasco, who's going
to start to night on Monday. And then today, two
(14:03):
notable trades, both in terms of sending out a reliever
and buying a reliever. And let's talk about the reliever
that they bought. And it's going back to a familiar
will and that is one Tyler Kinley, a veteran right
handed reliever from the Colorado Rockies. We've heard this story before.
A reliever who clearly has better numbers outside of Colorado
(14:26):
than at Colorado or than you know in cooers Field,
and someone who relies heavily on a breaking ball, a
very similar profile to Pierce Johnson, though I don't think
that he is the upside of Pieris Johnson. But that
being said, Stephen, what I will say is I do
think that this is a notable trade for the Braves
because not only does it help out in twenty twenty five,
(14:47):
but there's the potential it also could fill a role
in twenty six.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, I did feel familiar because you're going to the Rockies.
You're getting a kind of a veteran reliever in his thirties.
But maybe he doesn't have thedra but has some metrics
that you like, has a profile that you like, maybe
specifically has a pitch that you like. And obviously you
know this was all happen. This was all the kind
of the Pierce Johnson trade from a couple.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Of years ago.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
And then with ken Lee, you know, instead of the
curveball like it is with Pierce Johnson, it's the slider.
And you know, everyone knows how much Piers Johnson throws
his curveball. Kenley throws a slider just about as much.
It's like sixty percent of the time. He's got a
mid nineties fastball too, And like Sean just said, he's
got better numbers on the road than he does in Cores.
(15:36):
And listen, just getting out of Coors in general, even
if it's not on the road, it just helps. Like
playing in Coors Field is so difficult. It's not just
even the altitude in games that you're playing, it's what
always playing in altitude does.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
To you when you're on the road.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Like there's a whole they've done studies on like how
difficult it is to constantly go in and out of altitude,
And like just getting out of Cores is just a
is usually a pretty good indication that somebody you know,
that are it's a it's a good bet that you
can get better production out of somebody.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
So I did.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I had no problem with the trade. There were people
that were like really mad about this trade. The Braves
sent over I mean no disrespect to the kid, but
like a ham sandwich, Like they sent over a twenty
six year old like double a player who was like
their eighteenth round pick, like maybe their ninetieth best prospect basically,
(16:29):
And so it was a very very small deal and
people got really upset over I still don't quite understand
what happened there, But it's you know, and this reliever
has an option for next year. He's got a five
million dollar option on the for twenty twenty six, which
is probably a significant part of this.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
But if the Braves trade a couple of.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Relievers here in the next twenty hours, well, guess what,
They're gonna need some arms to fill those innings for
the rest of the season. And this is a guy
that can do that. And on top of that, he's
got a little upside if you can get him out
of cores and he's got an option for now.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Ye just it's just logical.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
It's not like it doesn't change the organization, but it's
just like a logical trade. I had no problem with.
It's good process in my opinion. You know, it's it's
a chance to maybe hit on a decent reliever and
you gave up nothing.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
So no, it was a fun trade. You know.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
It's kind of kicked off the day and it made
sense to me.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I thought it was a good process.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
And if it works out to where you know, Alex
and Thopless once again hits on a reliever, a veteran
reliever who's kind of entering his mid thirties, and he's
able to extract value of him, you know, compared to
where he came from. That's something that alex Is on
Thopless has done time and time again, getting these relievers
in their thirties who come to Atlanta and offer good value.
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And basically the upside is this is that next year,
when you hope to contend, maybe Tyler Kinley is like
your fourth best right handed option out of the bullpen.
He's an upgrade on the guy that you dfa to
bring him on the squad, which was Anno Delos Santos,
who is another notable transaction who looked good earlier this
year but as of late has struggled mightily. But that's
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the whole key here. You gave up nothing to potentially
fill in one of your lower, you know, leverage relievers
for next year. But you need guys that can eat innings,
and you need guys that can eat in needs effectively.
And alex and Thopolis went back to a similar well
that he's found success doing before.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Steven.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Of course, the other news of the day was the
fact that the Braves bought and they saw they got
Tyler Kinley, who potentially could be an option this year
obviously and next year. But they also were able to
trade veteran right handed reliever Rafael Montero to the Detroit
Tigers for a twenty four year old prospect and utility
(18:46):
in fielder if you will, who's highly regarded in terms
of his makeup and then you know, you know his versatility,
named Jim Jarvis. The fact that they were able to
get anything of note for Rafiel Montero feels like a win,
but it also feels like it's just the tip of
the iceberg. We should start to see the Braves in
the news more frequently, especially when it comes to selling
(19:08):
off obvious pieces.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, this felt like kind of the first Domino in
some ways. I know the Braves had made a trade
where they were buying for a twenty twenty six piece,
but in terms of the actual selloff of twenty twenty
five and specifically the bullpen and maybe Ozuna, this felt
like the first Domino. I'm surprised a team was willing
(19:31):
to give the Braves anything for Montero. I mean, I've
pretty famously been very low on Montero the entire season.
He actually has pitched better than I thought he would
like he had a real run in there in the
middle of the season where he was effective.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
He just walks so many guys.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I just I don't trust him, but you know, the
Tigers wanted more depth. Jim Jarvis is not like a
This is not an incredible prospect by any stre He
went to Alabama, so he's kind of a Southern kid,
probably grew up a Braves fan. Alabama is the school
I roof, I don't care. I don't follow college baseball,
(20:09):
so I've never heard of this person before.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But he did play at Alabama.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You know, he's a middle infield prospect, which the Braves
have zero, you know in the upper miners.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I think he's probably gonna go to.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Double A, probably already one of their best infield prospects
in the miners, at least in the upper miners, you know,
simply out of a lack of anything else. So yeah,
what the heck? You know, getting him from Montaro? Sure,
I would assume they would have just dfa'ed Montero at
some point. So yeah, this is better than that, and
(20:41):
we'll see what he does. But this, did you know,
more than the deal itself, which is probably going to
be pretty uneventful. For the Braves in the long term.
This did feel like the first of more to come
in the next eighteen to twenty hours.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, and we've already seen, you know. I mentioned Joey
Wentz at the top of the podcast how good he
has looked so far in his time with the Braves.
But the thing that also stands out to me is that,
you know, getting a Tyler Kinley, getting Joey Winz. We
could even throw Eric Fetti into this if all of
a sudden rediscovers something of what helped him during his
breakout year in twenty twenty four. The thing also that
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is there for this Braves team is that you don't
expect any of these acquisitions that are coming in and
meant to really help us get through twenty twenty five
to be contributors in twenty twenty six. But they could be.
And the Braves again have worked their magic with arms
that in previous places did not work out. It would
be very good to see the Braves be able to
(21:41):
make one or two of these guys potential depth in
twenty six. So again I applaud what Alexanthopolis has done
so far in terms of getting guys who could just
come in and eat innings. But also you potentially are
bringing in guys to where if Rick Krantz and his
staff can work with them, maybe you can find something
to where one or two of these guys could be
contributors to twenty twenty six. That also could be an
(22:04):
unexpected outcome from these moves, especially when you've not given
up anything of value so far to get them.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, and that's the big thing is you're not taking
anything away that would have been in any way valuable
for you next year.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
So you know Montero wasn't going to be on the
team next year.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Uh, this double a prospect they gave to the Rockies
for you know, for Kenley is not somebody who's ever
gonna help.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
So like you haven't you haven't risked anything.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
And now the overwhelming, you know, overwhelmingly likely likely outcome
here is that none of these guys ever contribute anything
to the Braves of any significance. Because that's kind of
the level of trades we're talking about here. But just
on process, trading away guys that had zero future in
Atlanta for guys that maybe have a five percent chance
(22:50):
of a future in Atlanta is good process. You know,
you just you've increased your odds, you've increased your chances
of somebody contributing. So I have no problem with traits
like this is what the race should be doing now.
Obviously everybody hopes that there are slightly more significant trades
tomorrow with some bigger names and potentially some bigger prospects. Well,
you know, obviously we'll address those as they happen. And
(23:11):
I think that's where some of the anks comes from,
is people are like, oh, this is all they're going
to do, Alex, you know, once again sitting on his hand,
all that stuff, you know, all the kind of the
rage that came from the off season, but on the process,
just on the trades themselves, on their own, you know, face,
I had no problem with any of this.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Absolutely. Again, it's just common sense, good process, which is
something that we have been asking for for quite a
while now the draft and so far through this trade deadline,
it's good process.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But now is the time.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Now is the real last opportunity for you to get
some needed talent, for you to get some needed and
additional talent, that valuable infusion of talent where you need
it the most. This is really your last opportunity before
the off season to be able to do that, and
tomorrow could be setting up potentially quite well for this
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Speaker 5 (25:14):
So Stephen.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Of course, today has been very busy, and obviously the
big deal that everybody was kind of waiting for you,
Genio swar Is just went down. You Genio Swoz of
the Diamondbacks heading to the Mariners. So that is another
big name that now is off the market. And the
reason I mentioned this, I know it doesn't involve the Braves,
(25:35):
but it potentially sets up well for the Braves because
you've seen the big relievers move, You've seen a couple
of the big bats move. I know that tomorrow a
lot of ours are going to be focused just on
how big of starting pitching names may potentially move. But
plenty of teams out there still need a potential difference
making that. There may be no bigger ceiling of a
(25:55):
bat than Marcelo Zuna. There are still plenty of teams
who need handed relief pitching. There may be few better
options than a right someth Iglesias or a Pierce Johnson.
It with some of the prices that we've seen paid today,
I think a seller's market certainly still remains beneficial even
with all the action we've already seen. It should be
(26:16):
a day that the Braves will that hopefully the Braves
will be active. They absolutely need.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
To be active.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, that's a fun deal for Seattle. They've they just
matched you know, matched up cal Rawley now Witheo Suarez,
who I think between the two of them have hit
seven hundred homers this year.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
So that's cool.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Good on Seattle for going for it.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
But yeah, you're right. I mean, listen, none of this
is in a vacuum. All of it's in a market.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
So when names come off the board, then the name
is still left on the board.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
You know, value changes, and like you.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Just said, Suarez was clearly the top bat on the market,
Azuna is somewhere behind him, and now he just got
bumped up a slot, and like you said, there are
still team who won offense, and so.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
It's good.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That'sas you know, is off the border. They kind of
gives the Braves an entire day tomorrow to find the
best deal for Azuna. I would be stunned. I don't
know how you feel. Give me your opinion, Sean, because
I said eighty five ninety percent sure that Ozuna was
going to be traded last night.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Where are you at right now?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Like if I said, give me the percentage Marcello Zuna
is getting traded between now and five pm tomorrow or
six pm tomorrow, where are you at.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
One hundred percent if rycel Iglacias and Marcelo Zuna are
If either one of them are on this team twenty
four hours from now, Braves Country should be pissed because
the Braves are not doing what they clearly need to
do in order to make this organization better moving forward.
And that's nothing against Ozuna or ricell Iglacias. I want
(27:53):
the Braves to do right by both of them by
sending them two teams where they legitimately will be able
to place magnificant roles and whatever team they go to,
hopefully being a contender. I wish both of them the best.
They've offered tremendous value to the Braves, but the value
they have right now is bringing back whatever future value
comes from them being dealt. So I personally will be pissed,
(28:17):
and I think that anybody in Braves country should be pissed.
I am one hundred percent on board with both Iggy
as well as Marcelo Zuna being traded because we need
to make decisions based off what brings the most value
for the future and dealing both of them, especially when
their market should be more favorable now than they were
even twenty four hours ago. There's no reason why the
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Braves should hold on to either one of them through tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, and listen, there are times just because of how
the CBA works like, there are times where if you're
going to offer the guy a qualifying offer and potentially
get a draft pick, then the value that you need
back in a trade needs to exceed the value of
that draft pick to justify trading him. That's not the
(29:03):
situation for the Braves. The Braves are not off the Bras.
There's no world where the Braves would be offering a
qualifying offer to Ozuna or Iglesias at the end of
this season. So that you know that doesn't exist. There's
not that barrier that you have to clear to justify
a trade. This is just if you don't trade him,
they're walking at the end of the year. For nothing,
so you might as well get something. Get something for them.
(29:26):
It doesn't have to be the greatest trade of all time.
But I agree with you not doing not trading them
at all and just standing padder or doing very little
would be weird. It just doesn't make any sense. Go
get something for them. So yeah, it's you know, it's
big that Suarez is off the board. Duran from the
Twins is off the board. He went to the Phillies,
which is a significant move for the division, by the way,
(29:46):
because I think he still has like two or three
years of team control, so he's gonna be around.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
For a while. That's that.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
That matters. Uh, The Mets got Ryan Helsley, another one
of the big closers off the board. Again, that matters
for a Glaciers his market. I think Mason Miller is
still out there as kind of a premium guy.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
But there's not a lot left.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I mean, a lot of relievers have already been moved,
so and the Braves still have basically all their you know,
if they want to move with Glaciers, if they want
to move Pierce Johnson, they want to move Bummer. You know,
all those guys are still out there and available. So, yeah,
it's gonna be interesting. Tomorrow's got in the next Yeah,
next twenty hours are going to be pretty interesting. I'm
hoping the brads are active. I don't need big returns,
(30:27):
but just move them for something, get something back. Don't
just stand pat that would be that'd be lame as hell,
quite honestly.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
And the other thing that stands out to me is that,
especially in the American League, you're seeing Seattle going for
it right like, because because they're going out and getting
rentals for prospects that probably are reasonable returns, but they're
not just absolutely franchised changing talents that they're changing for
these rentals. If you're an American League team, if you're
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the Rangers, or you're the Tigers, or you're the Blue Jays,
and you're in a better than expected position than you
thought you'd be this year in a wide open league,
even if you're the Yankees, you know, deeming another bat
with Marcelo Zuna, nor excuse me, Aaron Judge on the IL,
come get veteran guys who you know can contribute and
have been there before to contribute in the playoffs. Both
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Marcelo Zuna and Ry Silly Galasias have played big roles
for the Braves and other teams in playoff runs. So
these guys have track records, They've been able to show
they can produce, they can help out your team. Come
in a You're not gonna have to sit there and
worry about too much after this season. And also I'm
sure the Braves would be willing to pay down their contract.
(31:41):
And again I go to this point. If I'm the Braves,
I am not hesitating and stacking them in the same
offer Ozuna, Iglesias and ten plus million here you go
to get the max offer back. So I don't think
that it's a desperate situation where the Braves just need
to sell them off for whatever they can get back.
(32:01):
But I think that there are still plenty of teams
who definitely could see either Iggy or Ozuna being an
upgrade afaddit to the roster to where it makes sense
for the Braves, yes, to hold on to the last
minute to the right deal, but still make that deal
to get the job done.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Well, and listen, if you're an American, I mean, who's
the best team in the American League? Like, I don't
know who it is. I like the Tigers were the
best team in the American League for a lot of
the first half, but then they they just went through
this massive like I think they went one in twelve
in like thirteen games or.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Astros were there, but they're featured like crazy. The Yankees
just lost, Judge. You could make a case, especially if
the Mariner's rotation gets healthy once again, you can make
a case the Mariners are right there to make a
move and they would have got and they could be
another team that could go out and get an arm
as well. I don't think they're in the market for
Ozuna anymore, but maybe they could get a Pierce Johnson
(32:58):
or Iggy. But to your point, I think you could
make the case that three to five different teams are
the best team in the American League right now.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
And that's the point is that if you're one, if
you're like the Rangers, or if you're you know, if
you're some of these like maybe not great. I think
the Blue Jays were like the number one team in
the American League for a minute, like it's wide open.
You know, it's wide open to go win a pennant.
There's no clear dominant team, you know, go get a
go come, come, get a veteran closer and a veteran
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DH to help you get across the line. Even in
the National League, I mean, I don't know that there's
you know, does anybody actually believe the Cubs are like
the greatest team, like the Dodgers are supposed to be,
but their an entire pitching staff is hurt now, show
has hurt, Mookie Bess is having a weird ass season.
Freddy Freeman's even having kind of a weird season for
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his standards. Like, I don't even know if the Dodgers
are like the greatest team that they were supposed to be.
It's just kind of a wide open league right now,
and there's a lot of teams that are kind of
on the periphery of being. Know, in the playoffs, you
can see teams like the Reds or you know, there's
a number of teams that could just be like, you
know what, we're gonna go for it, We're gonna try,
(34:09):
and we're gonna make a splash.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
So yeah, that's good. That hold.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
The whole dynamic of the league right now is so
up in the air. It can make tomorrow really interesting
in terms of who's buying and how aggressive they get.
So and obviously the Braves have some names that could
be of interest, so it should make tomorrow. Tomorrow is
gonna be fun.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
And there's even the added aspect from you know, hey, again,
the Braves both bought and sold today. Perhaps the Braves
you know, take what they get from these trades and
go find someone that they feel can contribute in twenty
six and again they truly buy and sell at the deadline.
The thing that I will say is this as we
wrap up this edition of the Hammer Territory podcast. I
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know that many have talked about the fact that Alex
and Topless always seems to potentially make moves that no
one really thought of. Last year, it was down to
the wire in the last minute he went out and
acquired Jorge cil there again that I don't think many
people were expecting. So the point that I'm getting at
is just because the Braves have not made a really
significant move or we've not seen any of these names
we've consistently mentioned moved as and yet we've still got
(35:10):
plenty of time. Even if it's an hour left and
we've not seen anything occur, Alex typically will make it
will have action at the very end, So make sure
that you check it all out and we're gonna have
you covered here on the Hammer Territory podcast. Brad, Roland
and Scott will be back with you tomorrow night. Obviously,
the Braves are going to be playing this weekend as well,
so plenty to talk about that. We'll have obviously plenty
(35:32):
of analysis on what's going on on the field after
we know more about what's gonna happen at this trade
Die Drake trade deadline following tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
So as we get out here, Sean, I'm gonna do
a little I'm gonna do a little game for you. Okay,
I'm gonna give you a name off the team and
I'm on. I just want to answer yes or no
come six pm tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
They're on the Braves? Are they're not on the Braves? Okay?
You ready for this? You're muted, by the way.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
So Marcelo is in a yes or no on the team,
Off the team gone, Gone, Rossill Glaciers on the team.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Off the team, Off the team.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Pierce Johnson on the team, off the team, off the team,
Aaron Bummer.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
On the team off you say off on?
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Oh you said on the team Is there anybody else
that I didn't mention that you think could be off
the team?
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Na?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Not not, not really. I don't think that all the team,
all the Tea.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
On the team. Okay, I wasn't sure. I think he's
probably on the team. Okay, Sean Murphy, he's on the.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Team, Chris Sale, What about you, Sean Murphy?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Do you think there's a chance they do it? I
do not.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
I don't see that occurring.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
All the messaging has been the hard the other way, so,
but you know, I mean with Alex, you never know.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
But well, it's actually with the fact that for these,
for Pierce Johnson, Iggy and Marcel, you're in a favorable
spot tomorrow with the demand still being there for those
I think if you sell those three off, you're perfectly fine.
And if I'm Alex, I do it without hesitation, because
again I trust my ability to be able to put
together a bullpen. Steven, do you have any more thoughts
with us the eve of the twenty twenty five trade deadline?
(37:21):
I know, I know that it is from a different
approach than we're used to when it comes to the
Braves this year, But make no mistake about it. It
should be an active and hopefully valuable day for the Braves.
Make sure to check it all out, Stephen, anything else from.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
You, no, yeah, just you know. The content is gonna
change from here on out after we get through tomorrow. Obviously,
Tomorrow is all about deadline, and then we're gonna be
very forward focusing for the rest of the season looking
into twenty twenty six. You know what's what's to watch
for for the rest of twenty twenty five. The content's
gonna be different than we thought it would be, but
(37:58):
there's gonna be content every week, just like there would
have been if the Brigs are.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
In a pennant race.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
So, even though this year hasn't gone the way we hoped,
and tomorrow is going to be a much different day
than we thought it would be. You know back in March,
the podcast keeps rolling, the content keeps rolling, So we
hope you guys will will join us along the way.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
We'll be there with you every step of the way. Again,
Brad and Scott will be back tomorrow to break down
all the happenings of the day. Steven and I will
be back with you as well. Who knows, if a
big trade comes down the pipe here in the next
hour or so, we'll try our best to certainly have
some content for you as immedia as possible. When it
comes to reaction, it's just going to be fun to
(38:38):
potentially put on the emergency podcast or two, as we
always love doing. For Steve Ontibert, you can find him
at be Underscore Outliers on Twitter slash x, myself at
Stat's sac on slitter, splitter so Twitter slash x. You
can find all the great content from Hammer Territory across
all forms of social media, part of the Foul Territory
(39:00):
family of podcasts. Forgive all of the minor edit snapfoos
with the mutes not mutes, the mispronounced words, what have you. Listen,
it's just always fun to cover the braves and can't
thank you enough for your support, and hey, maybe we'll
have plenty of new braves and future new braves to
talk about after tomorrow. Until next time, go braves, We'll
(39:21):
talk to you again soon here on the Hammer Territory
podcast
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