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November 25, 2025 51 mins

On this episode of Hasta Abajo, Cami and Meli discuss the complexities of navigating holiday gatherings, especially within Latino families. They talk about the uncomfortable questions often asked by tías toxicas, the importance of setting boundaries and how to address food guilt associated with holiday meals. Cami and Meli also talk about using self-love as an act of rebellion and how that can help you get through the holidays while enjoying the company of those you love most.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, and welcome to us The Whole Podcast. I'm Malis Ortees.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm coming to Ramon and we have an amazing show
for you today. Yes we do, y'all.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
It's that time of the year where I think there's
so much going on. I know some of you have
your Christmas decorations up since literally the day after Halloween
or maybe before no joke, literally went to a party
where they already had Halloween, they already had Christmas decorations,
and it's like, not even Thanksgiving? It can we can
we press pause? I don't know, Kami, what are like,

(00:34):
are you pro decorations the day after?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
When does your family normally decorate.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Like like like flirting a little bit right before Thanksgiving?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
You? I think that that's I think that's pretty accurate. Yeah,
I normally would do like after Thanksgiving. But honestly, like
the longer that I live in New York, the more
that I feel like I need the Christmas joy. So
it's like something to look forward to.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
True, because you're dealing with like darkness at four pm.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Literally, okay, so transparently last night I had the best
sleep of my life. Like I feel like, you know,
when people do like time travel in space and then
they like go on this like deep slumber in the
middle of the night, and then they're just like awakened
and they come out of this like tube of water
and it's been like eighty years and they come out
and they feel like babies. That's how I felt like.

(01:21):
I felt like someone gave birth to me this morning
when I got out of bed. And it's because last
night I made the really stupid it's like the first
like arctic freeze of the year in New York and
in the United States. But we had planned this shoot
for my next video like a week ago, and it's

(01:42):
like the only day that I have to film, and
it was like thirty something degrees. It felt like negative
five degrees celsius and I always do celsius because it
sounds more dramatic. And we were out there and my
slutty ass decided to wear fucking lace pants, so essentially
I was in an underwear and a top like and

(02:04):
a T shirt and like a single cheap ass like
sata leather jacket. So we were out there from five PM,
which is basically midnight, till ten thirty, which is like
four in the fucking morning at this time of year.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
And at your age.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
I was like, risk it all, like literally, risks it all,
all of it, Like pneumonia doesn't fear me. I do
not fear pneumonia. Like I we were one. That's not
gonna happen to me. But I did have a French
onion soup last night, which was incredible, Like I haven't
craved the French onion soup in a minute, and I said,

(02:40):
it's time tonight for me to have that soup. All
that to say, it's really dark, too fucking early, and
Daylight Savings needs to be fucking canceled.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
I agree. I agree. Okay, not only are we going
to be talking about canceling Daylight Savings on this episode,
but we're going to talk about family matters and family conversation.
It's at the Thanksgiving table. Oh that's right, bless We're
also going to be talking about those because as Kami
refers to them as, but we're also supportably going to

(03:10):
be talking about one release is a special and specific topic,
which is self love. So this is the time where
you grab your cafecito whatever beverage of choice that is
as well, and we get right, so drop the beat.
This is.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
All right, friends, it is some giving week and whether
or not you celebrate with family, celebrate on your own,
do friends giving, girls giving, gays giving, whatever it is
that you celebrate. Listen, we are here for your holiday,
Batty pep talk Okay, because no matter how much of

(03:58):
a better and you might feel like right now or Parson,
you do have to go and see your dear toxicas
probably and hang out in La Sala with somebody that
you are potentially gonna have conversations that put you in
slightly uncomfortable situations. It doesn't matter who you are. It

(04:21):
could be about yello yo, it could be about it
could be about your career when you're gonna have a baby.
We all know those questions that arise during WAT exactly
exactly exactly, So Mellie, we're gonna set realistic explctations, establish

(04:45):
healthy boundaries, and try to focus on what we can control,
including self care and recognizing you know that we are
never gonna be able to satisfy everyone. How about we
take it from the top many, let's do it. Yeah, yes, okay,
So what do you do you have? Like can you

(05:08):
remember of like specific instances when you have felt uncomfortable
during holidays, during family gatherings, etcetera, etcetera. Let's let's just
talk about it still.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
It I think, you know, I think we all go
through chapters in our life where it like the question
or the subject matter could be around your career. The question,
the subject matter could be around like if you're like
dating someone and they're at the Thanksgiving table, the subject
matter could be like after you're married, it's like, Okay,

(05:37):
when are you having kids?

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Are you guys trying? Are they right?

Speaker 1 (05:40):
So I think like we have all and like be specifically,
I've gone through those stages of uncomfortable questions and conversations
that at the end of the day, it's nobody's business
other than myself and you know, or my my partner
and myself. So what I usually try to do. I
used to I used it used to bother me so
much more. But I just kind of like, I'm like

(06:02):
like this, I kind of like, huh like soon hah,
Like I just kind of brush it off and try
to not let it affect me, right, because.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
You're also kind of expecting those questions to arise, right, Okay,
So let's let's just kind of set a game plan.
This is Batty game plan plan plan Baddy game plan
for a sun giving all right, so it realistic expectations, right.

(06:37):
So woman he star was saying too is also like
she is now expecting to receive those questions and they
no longer affect her because she like understands where they're
coming from, and they just kind of like right, You're
just like, oh yeah, soon whatever. So expecting to have
those kinds of interactions will already set you in a
mindset to like potentially receive questions about that and know

(06:58):
how you're going to respond in the way that you
want to respond. Like, maybe you have a couple of
different scenarios in your head. Maybe you feel like popping
the fuck off and being like DS Tupia or Dio medio,
which is fine or not or not. However, I would

(07:18):
recommend the latter, which is how it is that you
want to like carry the conversation if you're ready, if
you're in a more potentially a more private setting where
you could tell like somebody like, hey, you know what
when you ask me those things, it kind of puts
me in an uncomfortable spot. I'm already feeling X, Y
and Z and this I'm not I assume you probably

(07:40):
are noticing the way that this makes me feel. But
this is how what you are saying and the words
that are coming out of my out of your mouth
are affecting me personally, and I wanted to let you
know that so that you can from there the person
will know not to do that in the future, and
if they continue to do it, well that's beyond you.
But at least you can say that you communicated with

(08:03):
this person esppecially if it's somebody you love and you
don't want to end a relationship with them by telling
them that they're dio mad, right, So that's very important.
And then also you could choose to understand that other
people's actions are a reflection of their internal narrative, their

(08:24):
internal experiences, and all of the things that they have
been through in their life, and also things that have
been drilled into our society for years on years on years.
So reading that coming from a place of information removing
emotion is tough. But like logically thinking like, why is

(08:45):
this person asking me this right now? Oh, it's because
their entire life, they have been raised by X, Y
and Z, and potentially they have nothing else to talk
about with me. Henceforth, they will continue to talk about
the same things over and over again because of X,
Y and Z. Right. So I think those realistic expectations

(09:05):
are really great because they set you up for a
number of like different opportunities, conversations or things that could
be happening with people generally, Like if it offends me
and I don't want to be rude, I'll just laugh,
but like dodge the question so that the person knows
that what they asked me makes me feel uncomfortable or

(09:27):
like was rude in a way that doesn't make them
feel rude.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Like okay, okay, So let's let's let's role play here.
Let's let's put people in this scenarios. I'm gonna be
Letia Toxica, oh god, and you are gonna be innocent
Camilla having you know, an incredible buffet of Thanksgiving Schmorgish
boord and maybe a little pumpkin spiced agnog something right,

(09:55):
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Of goet or that yum.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Okay, So here we are we just a and I'm like, oh, hey,
Camila Lonino's bakwando I've done And that, my friends, is

(10:18):
probably not how we want to handle the situation.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
This is how you get canceled.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
And that becomes a NOVELA there's like sound effects.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Like honestly, what I would answer today, I'd be like
and I'll say, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Okay, I'm Swenny. I'm trying to think of another question.
Oh savage, Oh my god, so good, oh so good. Okay,
let's let's let's do this one again. Oh yeay, Camilla, loninosando.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Eno say.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Cabian and that's it.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Like I would just honestly, like the way that I'm
set up right now, instead of answering their question, I
just smile and nod, like I'll be like, no s
And if they ask me Inos, I'd be like, yeah,
like I don't want to talk about that, so like
no literally, And I think that you have the option too,
like let's talk about setting boundaries, Like you have the

(11:33):
option of like how much you want to release to somebody,
like the information that you want to share with people.
Like I think that we underestimate like how much control
we have over the information that we share with people.
When I'm a person that's like overly open and like honest,
And I also I am learning this in like social scenarios,
I think I have better boundaries with my family than
I do with like sometimes I'm like in places and
I overshare because I'm like having fun. I'm like, oh

(11:55):
my god, I just told everyone like everything that I'm doing,
and I was supposed to be a secret. Like I know.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
One of the uncomfortable things that happens, like say, for instance,
when they're like okay, so like kids, like when you're
having babies and you're like like soon and then they're like,
you know, they start saying like, oh, well, you know,
you're thirty five. After thirty five, it's like you know,
and then they start giving me like all of these
things about like you're gonna lose You're gonna lose a train,
right yeah, And I'm just like, oh god, here we go.

(12:22):
I'm like no, no, no, I'm just like yeah ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
But you have to think about the fact that like
these people probably had like not all of them, but
like many people of the older generations had kids when
they were like nineteen twenty twenty four, twenty five. When
I was twenty four, I was picking my boogers. Yes,
I had just gotten married. That's like a Spanish saying
for like, like I was a baby. You know what

(12:48):
I mean, for me to raise a baby when I'm
a baby is crazy. Yeah, no, shade to anybody who
has children when they're young, like to each their own.
And I'm sure that I have friends who had kids
like right out of high school, and like they're amazing
parents and they did such an amazing job and like
now they're like quote unquote free, like and they can
travel through all these things, which amazing. Great for you,
But like I didn't choose that, and I don't need

(13:09):
to do that, right, Yeah, So I don't like when
people make my friends also feel guilty about those kinds
of things either.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, for sure, it's it's craaz like. As you kind
of mentioned, like life and generations have changed so much.
And even one thing that I read actually this morning
was like the average age to buy a house, to
buy a home is now in forty it's literally forty,
when before it was like twenties, like late twenties. So
imagine like how our generations have evolved. And just like

(13:38):
everything from being parents to buying houses to every like xyz, everything.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
It can changed.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
So anyways, you did a really great job in handling
that second.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
How would you Okay, let me ask you a question.
Then role play to Melisa Ovio. It too slap me

(14:14):
right now, bitch, I was I would slap a house
I know.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Answer let.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Oh my god. So let's just remember that.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Don't respond like this, guys.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
This we're gonna get in trouble with everyone's therapist.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Literally, we're not invited to any Thanksgiving dinner.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Guys. This is an official statement. We remove ourselves from
all responsibility after taking any advice from this podcast. This
is not an advice. This is a shit talking podcast.
But let's be a little bit more like for real,
for real, like you, you cannot focus on what you

(15:10):
can't control, on other people's actions, So like, let's just
keep it at that. Like also understanding, like there's things
there's certain people who are like willing to change and
willing to like put in the time to like have
more access to you and to build a relationship with you.
But there's a lot of people out there in the
world that are already like very set in their ways
and they will not do anything to change. And that's

(15:31):
not on you to have to live with that for
the rest of your life. So continuing to practice self
care is very important hitting up your therapist, having conversation
with them leading up to these events, making sure that
you're like setting time, like my husband and I do this,
even though like it just gets crazy, Like my parents
are divorced, so like whenever we go to Miami for

(15:52):
the holidays, it's like I have to visit my mom,
my dad, and my in laws, and we have to
go back to back sometimes and it's like a lot
also from my stomach, because it's like if you don't
like you have to eat a lot seriously, so sometimes
you have to look at yourselves and be like take
a breath. And also I want to make sure that
we show up with like good energy wherever we go,
even though obviously it's our close family, so like I

(16:12):
can be tired when I go, but like I don't
see them often, so I want to make sure that
I'm like showing up in a way that's like nice
and positive for them, so that they get from the
interaction too, because at this point, like my parents really
look forward to interacting with me, like it's a nice
interaction and a nice place. So removing yourself from the
situation and making sure that you're taking care of yourself
even if it's just a five minute meditation, going out

(16:34):
for a quick run, laying down for five minutes and
taking a nap, or just like if things get a
little heated, choosing to talk to a different family member
or like helping somebody do something in the house, or
like hanging out with the kids like that are running
around or whatever, is a great way for you to
like take a deep breath and be like, this is
not the time where I have this conversation with this person.

(16:55):
You do not need to have conversations that are super
important number one in front of other people. Number two,
like right at that very moment where you're still heated,
and number three in a time that you're not ready
to have them.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
You nailed it. I think, you know. Thanksgiving and the
holidays is a reminder also of why to be grateful
and to be grateful even in those uncomfortable moments and
questions and conversations and moments around the table, et cetera.
Just have those moments to take a break, to take
a breath, to get away if needed, and then reset.

(17:28):
That's always so important. You know, people feel anxiety and
stress around the holiday season, y'all, Like we feel you.
We know, because not only are you trying to make
flights right and not deal with with delays god cancelations. No, literally,
and if you're not flying, then like driving, there's also
like way more traffic. There's more cars on the road.

(17:49):
There's people like driving like maniacs, especially if you live
in Miami. God lord, that's crazy out here. And you're
you know, buying gifts and like you're you're focusing on
so many other things rather than sometimes just like spending
that time like quality time with family or friends and
et cetera. So it's just a reminder of like take

(18:10):
a deep breath of like getting away from that stress.
A few years ago, there was a survey and it
found that eighty nine percent of US adults feel stressed
out during the holiday season. That's doing nine and nine
in ten.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
That's everybody, all right. The one percent of the person
is probably the person that you talk to about work
and it's like, oh, I wonder why they're so chill
all the.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Time literally for real and uh and around like forty
percent of people reported higher stress levels during the holidays
more than any other time of the year. Okay, So
that's a lot to say, and that's also just a
reminder that, hey, this could happen, you could feel a
little bit more stressed. I have a pinch nerve of

(18:50):
my neck. I've been hall its stressed. But it's just
let's relax a little bit, let's take a breath.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Let's get through it together. And I also want to
call attention to the like holiday guilt, because it's very common.
So aside from the fact that you are running around
like running errands, you are trying to get your house ready,

(19:17):
your mind ready, trying to prep for these like larger events.
The calendar starts to get a little bit more stacked.
You have holiday parties, work events, God forbid. It's your
birthday during the holidays, like mine, even though I'll still
always celebrate it, God forbid, but I always throw a
party and it's fabulous. Love. This year, I'm gonna be
with Mayowa Lelos, so I'm not gonna do much besides

(19:40):
hang out with her, which is my favorite thing to do.
It sounds amazing. So not only do we have all
these additional things happening, but let's talk about like holiday
guilt as it pertains to like eating and like working out. Right,
So if you're a person that is looking at these
events with fear of what you're going to consume. I've

(20:07):
been there. It's really not fun. And something that has
happened to me in my personal experience leading up to
these events is at number one, I was psyching myself
out and I was like worried about like Thanksgiving because
my macros wouldn't fit because I was going to be
eating too many calories. I was thinking about like the
eight miles that I was going to have to force

(20:27):
myself to run the following day in order to burn
off all the things that I was eating. And I
wouldn't eat anything leading up to the event, so that
while I was there and I would eat like I
wouldn't feel quote unquote as guilty. Number one, that is
not the way to live because spending the time, the
limited amount of time that you have with your loved

(20:49):
ones feeling guilty about the food that you're going to
eat or the food that they're making for you with love.
I would feel guilty about having pizza in Urgencina with
my like Auela when I would go, like you know,
once a year of having those fuck doudahs, when I
would go see them and like those kind of moments
where you're like consuming something that someone made you with

(21:11):
like so much love. Having that be ruined by food
gill is so unnecessary. I don't want to call it
dumb because it's deeper than that, and I don't want
to make you feel bad if on the other side
you potentially are going through something like that. But looking
back on it, in my head, I'm like, that was
so silly, that was so dumb of me, because those

(21:32):
are like moments that you'll never get back. You will
never get those moments back, and moments with family, with
loved ones. Those are the most important moments of our lives.
So just make sure that as you go into it,
like yes, if you want, if you want to not
like binge eat everything, great, make a plan for yourself, like,
trust me, I've been there. Make sure that you are

(21:53):
still consuming the food that you would normally consume, and
when you go there, just have what you want and
and enjoy it. Just don't go starving because then you're
literally like, that's that's the crazy part, because then you're like,
you're probably thirsty, you're probably starving, and then you're gonna
grab whatever it is in your face and it's not
even because you want to consume it. It's just because

(22:14):
you're so hungry, and I don't blame you, right, and.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Then you're going to be constipated.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Or worse or worse or the other end of the spectrum.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, I think what I've learned is that a lot
of people use this time of the year to show love, right,
to show gratitude, And a lot of people show their
love through food and to cooking and through baking.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
And that ain't me.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Let me tell you that it would not I.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Don't clean, but let me tell you I got that mean,
that was that was badass. I love that. That was
so good.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
And one of the things that like, my mom loves cooking.
She is an incredible chef. And I'm not, but I've
realized over the course of time, because sometimes I'm like Mommy, like,
stop cooking so many hours in the kitchen, Let's spend
more time together out here, like, but she loves it.
It's like her act of love, her active kindness. And honestly,
my act of love and my act of kindness back

(23:18):
is eating it, you know, yoh yeah, But of course,
like you know, it all comes with balance and like
imit if it's real good. I'm all binge e that.
But if it's you know, I just want to like
what reality is. It's just like, of course I'm gonna
eat it. Of course I'm gonna express how great it is,
my gratitude and everything like that. But I'm not gonna
be like, no, I can't eat that, like I you know,

(23:41):
I can't because whatever macros or whatever it is like
that ain't happening. Okay, guys, enjoy like I love that
you said, Coomi. Enjoy these times because sometimes they'll never
you'll never get them back, and so.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
And also, respectfully, I will add one more thing because
Latino families are very well known for this. It's like
they feed you till you explode. Like my family has
a tendency to do this. It's like no, no, no,
like here, here's more, here's more me, here's more me.
I'm like, I already had like eight servings of I
don't need fifteen. So there has to be a moment

(24:13):
where you feel okay with saying no to like, don't
feel bad about being like I'm actually, you know, respectfully,
I'm so full. I'm okay. You know, Like there's a
there's a balance and a fine line there. Let's talk
about GIL as it pertains to like missing workouts like
working out, training and all that stuff, like what is
your because we all have like our internal strategies that

(24:34):
we have developed over the years, like athletes, of how
training looks like or what training looks like during the holidays.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
I think it's almost like it depends on the holidays,
like Thanksgiving week, Christmas week, et cetera. There's almost like
a hall pass. Sometimes I give myself. I give myself grace,
like for instance, if I wanted to go run in
the morning or something like that, but for example, my
niece wakes up early and like wants to play. It's
just like, Okay, what are gonna pick going outside for
a run, which I could do three hundred and I

(25:03):
don't know sixty other days of the year, or play
with my niece or my nephew. Like, obviously I'm gonna
do that. So give yourself grace. And if not, like
if you actually like want to get something done because
it makes you feel good, it helps you deal with
with anxiety, with stress, with those detoxicas and theos methios,
then do that. Try to get it out in the morning.

(25:23):
You know, do your best to do whatever it is
you want to do, whether it's a run, whether it's
a ten minute workout, whether it's a meditation and breath work,
Like any little thing helps your mind right and also
your your body right because at the end of the day,
you are going to be eating things that are different
than your normal day, right, Like you usually carve out
your day with your breakfast, lunch, dinner, whatever it is
that you you do throughout your day. But now you're

(25:45):
gonna be having I don't know, like basta you're gonna
be having I don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
God forbid we wake up and have.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Deli band you cut it, buzz bandoro, like give it
to me?

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I mean for brex Milonga Sandwichugh, no for real.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
So, like your your body's gonna be doing like a
little bit of overdrive, like hello, what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (26:15):
What are you doing to me?

Speaker 1 (26:16):
And that's okay because you're enjoying it, but also just
remember how to treat your body right as well.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
A little post workout with that is so Argentine in
or even key is.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Like doing that fifteen to thirty minute walk after those
meals like that helps.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
You can take your family with you for sure on
those I okay. So during the holidays too, Like something
that I I I do is like the movement is
my anchor, and I try to keep as much of
what I can control the same. And I think, especially
like when you're traveling saying somewhere else, one of the
main factors that you can't control is potentially a movement,

(26:55):
so removing like we're talking about November twenty four through
the number thirty first, right, So this that's a long
time period. So if you're like I'm not gonna move
at all, versus I'm gonna do what I can, that's
gonna allow you to feel better, like as the holidays
are around, like feel stronger. Also, like have that mental

(27:15):
clarity where you're able to like make the decision between
calling your detestupia or just like laughing it off and
like moving on and talking to your favorite primam. For me,
it's in the morning. For sure. Short workouts are can
be very effective and they don't have to be max

(27:36):
how effort always you don't always have to train to
you feel like you're gonna die. And then number three,
like honestly, like I know that I work there, but
the peloton app is so good, like you literally just
like and I know you feel the same way because
you use it all the time, especially during the holidays,
especially when you go visit like your parents. You're doing
my strength workouts and you're like hopping down the bike,

(27:58):
hopping on doing tread classes out side those like twenty
minute classes, the thirty minute classes, the ten the extra
ten classes, the fifteen minute classes. They are game changers.
And like sometimes you can look up if you don't
have any equipment shadow boxing, you can do body weight
workouts like I normallysta sometimes it's like I did one
hundred push ups this morning or whatever, like and I'm like,
go off, like I was asleep. So literally, like keeping

(28:22):
as much as you can like normal, like you don't
have to have chocolate cake for breakfast every day, Like
maybe you choose to do that one to three days
and then the rest of the days you have your
normal like eggs or omeal or autibar or whatever you
normally have for breakfast. Trying to keep as much of
that in line without judging yourself for having fun and

(28:43):
like living life because that's just life is It's going
to keep you feeling like really more a little bit
more grounded, I think absolutely.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
And one last thing I have to mention just based
off my December last year, which was so fun by
the way, so I'm always super excited for December. Is
drinking actually like drinking alcohol. Like I feel like there's
so many occasions that you're going to have, be it athicsgiving,
be it company parties, be it friends giving, be it

(29:13):
I don't know, if friends get together and now you're
back in your hometown and you're meeting with I don't know,
blah blah blah. Like there's so many outings and it's
also like a lot of intake of alcohol and y'all
just for your own health. Like I try my best
to pick and choose, pick, yeah, and choose, pick and choose.
I'm like, oh, you know what, this night, maybe I'll

(29:33):
have like one wine and that's my cap as my
cap cap and out. But then there's nice obviously, like
if the music's good, you know, it's like I'm like.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Vibing and flowing.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
I'm like, all right, like I'm gonna enjoy this night, right,
But I do think like binge drinking every time, like
you don't want to just you don't want to do
that to yourself, to your body. That's me. I don't
want to do that to myself to my body. I'm
just telling you you do you boo.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
You guys do you?

Speaker 1 (29:57):
But out of my own experience, like, oh, there's been
Christmas seasons where I look back and I'm like, that
was rough.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
You don't have to even have one drink, and that's
something that I like, I think other people making you
feel guilty for like not participating in these things is
another form of like toxicity that we have in like
Latino households too. It's like, oh, like I'm having cakes,
so like you're not having cake, and if you're not
having cake, then you're rude or you think you're better
than me, Like I'm drinking, so it's only right for

(30:29):
you to drink with me. And I think that's a
very old school way of thinking that leads to a
plethora of other issues within our lives and our families.
If you want to have a sober December, like that's you, Like,
you can still have fun. You will feel amazing the
next morning. You will be more likely to actually complete

(30:52):
your workouts, to do your meditations, to read, and to
show up in the ways that you want with your family.
I'm not judging anybody for consuming alcohol at all, Like
you know that I like a drink, but I also
understand how it affects us, how it affects our moods,
how it affects our ability to cope with emotion. So
if you know that you're a person that gets sensitive

(31:12):
during these times and you are having to have your
first interaction with a family member that you think might
potentially be problematic, set yourself up for success, Like, don't
have eight drinks before they show up, so then you
get into a fight. True, be for real with yourself,
for real, for real. Another thing that I wanted to

(31:38):
talk about, and I think that this is also something
like a little bit more extensive that we haven't necessarily
like talked about before on the podcast, is like self
love as an act of rebellion, And I think self
love also meaning the way that you choose to lead
your life, carry yourself in the decisions that you make.

(32:01):
Let's be so fucking for real and so open about
the world and the consumption of ozembic and how it's
very normalized and I'm not talking about for medical reasons.
If people have found success via GLP one products. For

(32:24):
lack of better words, I'm not judging you for that.
I'm talking about how we see stars on the red
carpets very quickly losing weight, and we saw that happen,
and because of social media, I feel like everyone has
amnesia and we forget about how this is happening because

(32:47):
of X, Y and Z. And I've found myself too
judging myself for not looking a certain way now that
it's even more so normalized that this body is the
correct type that we should be seeing. And I'm just
here to tell you, like there are still people celebrating
themselves as they are and choosing not to opt in

(33:13):
for something like this for their personal health and also
their mental health and for many other reasons. Like I said,
I'm not judging anyone for participating in that, if that's
the way that you want to go. I'm not Like
medicine is medicine, and like things that are proven to
help certain people, Like, that's not what I'm talking about.

(33:35):
I'm talking about the esthetics of the world and how
that has shifted, and I think the correct body type
of a woman we've seen it from like stars looking curvy,
getting implants like changing their bodies to look a certain
way to now modifying their bodies to look a different way,

(33:57):
a way that is more slender. Because of this is
now currently what's trending, because of the access to these things.
I was talking to a friend at lunch and we
were having this conversation and it was almost like, don't
you feel like you're not doing enough? Like it sometimes
like don't you feel like you're kind of like falling behind,

(34:23):
Like it's like you should be a certain way, but
because you're not, like it's wrong. And I was like, yeah,
but I also have had a conversation with myself and
I have felt like choosing not to opt in for
these things is honestly kind of like an act of
rebellion on my part, because it's like I'm not going

(34:44):
to participate in that, not because I'm judging anybody else
for it, but because i know that this is the
right decision for me, and I'm choosing to still continue
to love myself celebrate myself the way that I am today,
And I feel like that translates to self love being

(35:05):
an act of rebellion for me.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
I love that. So how do you or what kind
of what advice can you give to those that are
trying to like cultivate that type of self love? Is
it through like positive affirmations? Is it through journaling? Like?

Speaker 2 (35:18):
How y?

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Because I just want to paint this picture real quick,
like we're about to, you know, go to these holiday
parties or gatherings, social outings, and you might maybe hopefully
not feel a little bit pressured of seeing this person
you know, thin or skinny, or this person openly talking
about that you know, itzempic or whatever it is right

(35:40):
and again, no judgment whatsoever, but you know, I don't
want to feel let's be let's be.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Transparent though, because I have like, like my friends have
family members. My friends look absolutely gorgeous, but then they
have their moms that have gotten on it like on ozembic,
and then they're like you should get on it too,
to their daughters, and their daughters are perfect. And to me,

(36:04):
that's kind of where those kind of conversations kind of
I feel like we had gone to like a really
great place or a better place, and I feel like
we're kind of like taking a little bit of a
step back. Well, I'm sorry I interrupted you, though.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
No, that's it's a great lead point because with those
type of conversations or quote unquote maybe those types of
advice points by mom's das, et cetera, Like how does
oneself deal with those scenarios situations and like cultivate that
type of self love to be like like I want
to be that rebellion you know.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, I think it comes from like a personal decision
to there are risks involved, you know, with participating in that,
and I think sending your ground and reminding yourself why
you're choosing something. And I'm not like you can change
your mind. I'm just telling you, like, this is what's
happening right now, and this is like I'm not like

(37:03):
if you're a person who right now or like is
in the same headspace as me and like chooses to
change your mind in the future. Like I'm also not
judging you for it, but like I think like standing
your ground, understanding, remembering why you are choosing to do something, journaling,
writing it down when you're starting to like spiral into
like this like negative conversation once again, or a conversation

(37:26):
that no longer aligns or you feel like aligns with
the person that you are, like taking a step back
and being like Okay, like, yeah, this is this is real,
and this is why I'm feeling the way that I'm feeling,
because it's not just my fault. Like the world around
us is changing, and I think we have been ignoring
it for lack of better words, or like I haven't

(37:46):
necessarily even talked about this before. I don't think.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
So.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
I think like being honest with yourself about like the
reality of what's what's happening and and understanding that, and
like coming back to your decisions and why you're choosing
what you're choosing, and remembering that all body types are beautiful,
even though many people are looking more and more alike.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Totally all right, Well, I would love to talk more
about Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
I'm Friendsgiving.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
So when we talk about Thanksgiving, what is like your
favorite part about it all?

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Well, to be honest with you, like I haven't. My
family's not not very much. So like a traditional Thanksgiving.
I think we just kind of like get together because
American people do it and we're here in the country
and like it's a holiday, so we get together. And
I think just being with my family's the favorite part,
and having the day off is nice.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
In fact, y'all, I don't remember the last time I
had Thanksgiving like with my family.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Really, yeah, I swear, Are you doing it this year? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:55):
I think so? Like most likely the reason being is
because it's always what we call window when there's always
games during the week, and so I was either playing
or like covering and working. So like last Thanksgiving, last year,
I was in London for like the whole week, which
was amazing. By the way, go to London around the holidays,
It's the best. I kid you not, it ten times

(39:16):
out of the New York City during the holidays, Like,
London is so special. And so I am actually excited
for this Thanksgiving because there's a great chance I'll be
able to because the game that I have to cover
is the day after Thanksgiving and it's in Florida, so
I'll just zoom right there to the game after it.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah. But apart from me with my family, I also
love like special moments during it, and one of those
is when I have celebrated Thanksgiving, my mom and I
make these sweet potatoes with marshmallow on top and cinnamon,
and it's so delicious. It's gone through trials and tribulations.

(39:54):
I've burnt this dish at least ten times throughout my life.
But we're getting there, y'all. We're gonna there, y'all. But
that's it's like my favorite dish as well. Do you
have a favorite dish?

Speaker 2 (40:06):
My mom used to make like pork for Thanksgarvy. So
my mom used to make this like pork that had
like bacon wrap dates in it. It was kind of
like this like log looking thing that she like couldn't like.
It was so fire. It was so fire. And people
have talked about me in the past a lot, many transparently,

(40:29):
like I didn't like mac and cheese, what I know,
but that was until I made my own because I'm
very particular about what it is that I like about
mac and cheese. Yo I found that is it Deani?
I think I think her name is like Deanie, like
the Deani recipe on TikTok that was like viral and
like millions and millions of millions of millions of people
made it, and I was like, you know what, I'm

(40:51):
going to give mac and cheese another shot, but I'm
going to make it my way aka Deanie's way. So
I made it and I left it so there was
like extra crunchy at the top. Yeah, it was so good,
but it really fucked me up. My stomach was like
like I was just I felt so like lethargic and heavy.

(41:13):
But it was so good, like I couldn't stop eating it.
Like we had it in our fridge for like so
long and we ate all of it. It was so good.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese will do that to you.
I love mac and cheese. I mean, as bad as
it is for you. I remember just like housing, not
during Thanksgiving, but like getting home from soccer practice and
eating Kraft maccaroni and cheese like yum.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
You know when I actually really do like the vegan
mac and cheese from Whole Foods.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Oh, I'm gonna try that.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
A lot of people that are mac and cheese lovers
on the other side are so offended right now. They're
just clutch their pearls and are gasping like whatever, guys, okay,
like that shit ain't real, are saying, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Let's talk also about gratitude and reflection, the beautiful reason
behind the holiday season. As you look back, Gummy on
this past year, what is something that you've really learned
and you can take away and which is why you
are thankful for.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
I would say, don't underestimate the power of community and
the love that comes with community. It's really beautiful. And
I think that my main takeaway is that if you're
honest with your community and like transparent about things, they

(42:36):
will see that and I don't know, hang on and
like choose to vive with you if they continue to
work with it. As somebody who has like done like
a couple of like interesting things, like I started releasing
music this year and like it was just like very
well received and there was just like a nice surprise

(42:57):
to see that. On the other side that and then
also like not judging yourself for like having fun with
your life or like trying something new, because literally we
have one fucking life, and the person that matters the
most in our life is us, like the individual, Like
we are choosing every day how it is that we

(43:17):
choose to lead our lives. Even if we dedicate our
life to somebody else, we are doing it for because
it's a choice that we are making for ourselves, Like
we are the people that want to lead our life
in that way, whether that's giving back to others, whether
that's giving all of your time for your family and friends,
that's a personal choice that you're making about the way

(43:39):
that you want to lead your life. And we all
have the power to choose that and to shift and
to change and to express ourselves in every way we
want to express ourselves. What about you?

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Uh. The first thing that comes to mind for me
is and we've actually had a podcast on this episode
is one of our very first ones. It was knowing
your worth. Yeah, And I think as we I know,
as we've gone through this year, I've truly have embraced
that exact thing, like knowing my worth, and I've done

(44:14):
it in my work, in my life and more and
like more and more with confidence. And what I mean
by that is like you're not saying, like, oh, like
I don't know, pay me a million dollars, you don't
like it's not like it's not about that, But it's
like knowing holistically, like what you bring to the table,
how you can make something.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Still a million dollars? Okay, yes, and please thank you by.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
And I and I and I've really like just realized
that over the past few weeks that I've been able
to really show it, uh, improve it. And it's only
gonna you continue to grow and that's just me speaking
in my talk to you guys, like our listeners. It's
like a reminder of just like you all deserve so much,

(45:00):
and it just takes a little bit sometimes more of
like confidence and behind that, like either negotiation table, self belief,
push conversations with your peers, your bosses, your whoever. And
that's one thing that I have really taken away from
this year of like what I've learned and what I've
like put into my toolbox.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
And so that's one of the things.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
And the other thing is is just being so incredibly
grateful for the little moments around my family. Maybe like
a lot of you, you don't get much time with
your family, you know, they don't live down the block
or and for so many years I lived in New
York City, and now that they live kind of somewhat
more near my family, it's like the other night, I

(45:43):
drove an hour and a half just to spend two
hours with my grandma and drove back that same night.
So it's like those are the yeah, And I don't
even see that as a sacrifice. It's a decision to
like make the most of what you have when you
have it. So that's my my gratefulness and that I've
learned throughout this year.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Love. Yeah. Well, with that being said, shall we wrap
things up with an aga my famosa segment. Let's do it? Do?
I have a beautiful song for you, and by beautiful
I mean completely insane. I think that you should play
this Okay upon arrival you're the a Toxica's house. Just kidding.

(46:28):
This is too much of a vibe for them. It's
called Bet Those Horns Ezra Collective remix. There's several remixes
to this, but it's with Fred again, Katril and Pac Mooso,
which if you know, you know like I'm obsessed with them.
Those are right. You are at a hintino like rock
Star Punk Boys and Ezra Collective. So just do me

(46:51):
a favor. It's called bet those Horns. Just play it
so that you understand laing Bibra. Okay, And that's what
I have for you today, Mellie, what about you?

Speaker 1 (46:59):
I'm well, we're gonna stay really quick on this music
because I have a word of advice of what will
not make you. And I got like a Spotify notification
yesterday that's like a new release from Juan Luis Gerra
and y'all.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
I love love, love, love.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Love, and so they reased a song. He released a
song with Sting Yes s T I n G mister Sting.
So it's a big throwback. So I was like, oh,
and it's a song this So it's like a really
popular old school song that maybe you all know and

(47:42):
if you just play it you'll be like, oh my gosh, yes,
I know that song. So I played it and I
was like, as I played it, I hopped in the shower.
And as I'm in the shower.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
I'm like, you're forced to listen to the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Literally, I was like, can this shower just be a
body shower right.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Just to the triangle?

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Okay, anyways, So I got out of the shower and
I was like, that was I feel so bad saying
this because I love like that was terrible. It was
felt forced. So I sent it to my swegros and
like our group chat and they go she goes, and you.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Were like, is it me? Maybe it has like a
little bigger like cultural like being, you know, like generational.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Exactly, And it wasn't me. It was that was a flop. Yeah,
she goes, My spegra goes easting. So I know, all right,
so I'm not gonna be foremost out the part where
I talk about sports. Just the heads up, y'all. It's

(48:45):
a really interesting time of the year because we're closing
out the year. Soccer never ends, by the way, so
it's going to keep on going, but we're closing out
the year of like international friendlies. I'll be covering the
US women's national team on November twenty eighth, yes, the
day after Thanksgiving, and December first. They are both in
Florida by the way. The twenty eighth game is in

(49:06):
Orlando and the December first one is in Fort Lauderdale,
So blessed I don't have to get on a plane.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Lookout for girl.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yes, I'll be covering those games on TNT. And lastly,
if you do live in the South Florida area, from
December fifth through the seventh, the World Sevens is coming
to town. World Sevens is a seventy seven women's soccer tournament.
They did the first rendition over the summer, which was
big teams such as like Bayern Munich, Man United, Wolfsburg Arsenal.

(49:39):
It's such a like there's huge clubs that play in
this in a seventy seven format and they're hosting it
for the very first time in South Florida, so it's
gonna be really fun. It's that weekend. If you do
like football, if you know someone or even like young
soccer players that would be interested in seeing such a
fun and entertaining style format of a tournament, check it out.
World Sevens is what it's called.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Ingly Well, friends, we talked about a lot of things
today and I feel like this episode will leave you
well equipped for the holidays. So if you need to
listen to it after Thanksgiving, if you need to listen
to it before you go to your Theodoxica's house, feel
free to repeat this share with a friend who might
need to get this message. All I want to say

(50:23):
is I'm already so proud of you for everything that
you have accomplished this year. Even just like setting out
to lead a healthier life or to choose to start
to take care of yourself is a big step. Do
not judge yourself for giving yourself time and space to
enjoy life. Trust me, there will be moments and time

(50:43):
for you to go back to your routine and to
your training regimen. Do what you can get in what
you can, don't negotiate with yourself when there are those
special days where you have an opportunity to get it
in and you're like, ah, I'm tired. Do it because
you will think yourself when you have those days that
are getting a little bit crazier and you won't be
able to that's coming from Coach Kami. Maybe eat that

(51:06):
mac and cheese baby, Eat that Mac and cheese baby. Well,
that's it for today's episode. Thank you guys so much
for joining us and this Let's Baby is an iHeart
women's sports production and partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
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