January 3, 2024 • 38 mins
Often referred to as "The Jewel of Placeville" - the Cary House hotel has been in operation since the gold rush days. Today, along with the living guests, there seems to be a colorful cast of very active ghosts.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm
and Mild from Aaron Manky. Listener discretion is advised.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
This episode of Haunted Road is extra special to me.
It takes place in a town where many of you
know I lived for a time, and many of my
families still call it home, so I'm there at least
a few times a year. It's quaint yet eclectic, and
the whole main street is very, very haunted. Today's location
is a bit elusive to me, though I've been inside
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it many times, and I've glided my hands across the
rich wooden railings in the lobby, wondering what stories they
could tell. But I've never investigated it, never even had
a paranormal experience there. And let me tell you, after
the stories and history we will discuss today, I am
determined to change this asa. Come with me to Placerville, California,
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otherwise known as Old Hangtown, and let's visit the Carry
House Hotel. I'm Amy Bruney, and this is Haunted Road.
Nestled in the Eldorado National Forest just east of Sacramento.
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There's a small city called Placerville. It's a colorful community,
literally pink and blue buildings line the streets with old
fashioned facades that feel like something out of a technicolor
Old West. One brick structure on Main Street sticks out.
It's four stories tall, so it towers over its shorter neighbors.
Brightly lit and welcoming, A second story balcony is encircled
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by a wrought iron railing strung with lights, all under
a green awning. More lights dot the roof, illuminating a
sign that identifies the property as carry House. On the
side of the building. Another sign special Hotel inside the
lobby boasts green carpet with a swirling circular pattern reminiscent
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of leaves. The stained glass windows depict the four seasons.
According to Jerry Beard's article with Style Magazine titled in History,
carry House Hotel in Plastererville, the forty or so guest
rooms are all upstairs, and visitors ascend an ornate mahogany
staircase to reach them. Each chamber has furniture and decor
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appropriate to the eighteen hundreds, elegant nightstands, decorative moldings, and
windows draped with white curtains. While the building originally had
shared communal restrooms, for guests.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
These days, each.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Room has its very own bathroom. Some of the more
sizeable suites have kitchenettes as well. The business was built
in nineteen fifteen, reportedly constructed from the bricks of another
hotel with the same name that previously stood at the
same address. Before that, a saloon beckoned customers to the
same spot, called the Eldorado Hotel and Saloon. It was
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founded in the rough and tumble Old West era, which
is when European prospectors first settled in the region. The
California gold Rush began in the mid nineteenth century just
a short distance away from Placerville, which was originally dubbed
Old Dry Diggins. According to the City of Plasarville's Plasarville
City History website, the name was a very literal description
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of the process miners would follow to try to recover
gold from the area. They'd dig up carts of dry dirt,
then dip the soil into running water to wash away
the sediment and sort out small bits of ore. Life
in Old Dry Diggins could be brutal. Buyers often swept
through town, and because the buildings were made of wood
and built close together, a small spark could easily burn
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the whole outpost to the ground. The settlement ignited three
separate times in eighteen fifty six alone. Additionally, communities like
Old Dry Diggins were often lawless, and it was common
for citizens to take justice into their own hands. According
to a journalist named Edward Gouldbuffem, a vigilante mob was
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moved to violence in January of eighteen forty nine. That month,
five men, none of whom spoke English, were caught attempting
to rob a man named Lopez. They were arrested and
sentenced to be publicly whipped thirty nine times. However, after
their punishment was dealt, another accuser came forward, claiming the
five had been involved in another attempted robbery and homicide.
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It's hard to say if the accusation was credible because
the men weren't granted a fair trial. As local historian
and reporter Doug Noble reported in an October two thousand
and nine issue of The Mountain Democrat, they were too
weak from the recent lashing to get to the courtroom,
so while they recovered in a nearby house, the locals
threw together a makeshift jury and weighed their guilt without
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taking the accused robber's statements or giving them a chance
to defend themselves. Edward Buffum was present for them trial,
and he watched as the townspeople were roused into a
violent frenzy. One person shouted that the five men should
be hanged, and many others cheered the idea. When Edward
tried to calm them and make them listen to reason,
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the crowd turned on him until he quieted. Edward watched
in horror as the rest of the mob dragged the
condemned men out of the house. It's possible the accused
didn't even know what was going on. They repeatedly asked
for an interpreter, but the locals refused even this mercy.
Edward writes that the five were blindfolded, bound, and placed
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atop a wagon with nooses around their necks. When the
wagon pulled forward, the newses tightened, and the men met
their fates hung from a white oak tree. In an
article titled Criminal Annals, Part three, Buffem's version of the hangings,
Doug Noble quotes the article. Edward later wrote about the event.
He said, this was the first execution I ever witnessed.
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God grant that it may be the last. Sadly, this
proved to be far from an isolated incident. Another extra
judicial hanging occurred the following year. In eighteen fifty, the
Eldorado Hotel and Saloon had recently been erected right across
the street from the Oak Tree, and one day at
the hotel a brawl broke out over a card game.
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The fight escalated until a man named Richard Crone nicknamed
Irish Dick, stabbed another person three times. Sadly, his victim
did not survive the attack. When Irish Dick was tried
for the murder, a huge crowd of almost two thousand
angry locals assembled outside the courthouse. A judge determined the
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killer should be sent to jail, and apparently this was
too lenient for the townsfolk. When Irish Dick was led
out of the courthouse, the crowd swarmed over him. Doug
Noble writes that they tossed a lasso over Irish Dick's
head and used it to haul him over to a
nearby white oak dad tree, the same tree the five
accused robbers were hanged from the year before. Like them,
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Irish Dick died suspended from its boughs in spite of
the fact that he never received a formal death sentence.
Thanks to incidents like these, the community earned the nickname Hangtown.
For fifty years, the official town logo featured an image
of a tree with a dangling noose, and the oak
that was used for these hangings became a tourist destination
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in its own right. After it was chopped down, a
bar was built around the stump, called appropriately the Hangman's Tree. Today,
you can still trek to three to zero eight Main
Street and view what remains of the old oak in
the basement. Local lore aside, it can be tricky to
speculate on just how common these hangings were, as record
keeping at the time was less than thorough. That's not
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only true of vigilante activities, but also the day to
day operations in Hangtown. For example, there were many rumors
which are almost impossible to verify, of a front desk
clerk who worked at the carry House Hotel at some
point in the nineteenth century. His name was Stan Levine.
It's hard to say if he was an employee at
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the Eldorado Hotel in Saloon, which operated from eighteen forty
nine to eighteen fifty six. Or the carry House hotel,
which was built at the same location after a fire
burned down the initial structure. Either way, there are no
records of Stan or his tenure, but rumor suggests that
when he was alive he had a terrible cough. The
visit El Dorado website also says he was prone to
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drinking to excess, and when he was inebriated, he tended
to get belligerent and hansy. He had a reputation for
grabbing his customer's bottoms when he was drunk. It said
that he died in the hotel where he worked, but
again this is difficult to verify. Accounts of his death
very wildly. In some stories, he was murdered after making
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a pass at a male client while they both stood
at the top of a staircase. The customer was reportedly
so enraged by the same sex flirtation that he drew
a knife and stabs Stand twice in the chest. Wounded,
Stan fell down the stairs and took his last breath
at the bottom. In other accounts, the killer was a
jealous husband who flew into a murderous fury after Stan
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flirted with his wife once again. It said the deadly
confrontation took place on the stairwell, but in this version,
the husband shot Stan at the bottom. In her book
Haunted Hotels of the California Gold Country, author Nancy Williams
writes that Stan dragged himself from the stairs to the parlor,
where the woman he'd been flirting with watched in horror.
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Stan died as he stared at her tear filled eyes
and still. Other narratives described Stan simply succumbing to alcohol
related illness after years of excessive drinking. However, he died,
it said his spirit remains in the carry house. When
visitors approached the base of the staircase, they say, a
wave of great sadness comes over them, and it seems
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like he it never got over his propensity for pinching
people's bottoms. Guests, men and women alike sometimes feel his
touch on their backsides in the hotel's lobby and in
the alley and sidewalk outside the building. Others here stands
familiar cough or a whistle inside, and when strange mists
form in the lobby it could be evidence of his presence.
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Stan seems prone to wandering out of the hotel. It's
reported that the front door often opens on its own,
and in a bookstore that sits near a bar stand
used to frequent books often go flying off the shelves.
Linda Baucher wrote in gold Rush Ghosts of Placerville, Colomba,
and Georgetown that Stan tears the books down in frustration
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after finding there's no liquor in the shop. However, Stan
is believed to be equally destructive in a local winery
tasting room, how Dare.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
You, which he also visits.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Accounts say he shatters wine glasses and interferes with electronics.
On one occasion, he cranked the tasting room's music up
to round out the sound of a customer talking. When
the bartenders snapped at stand to knock it off, the
sound abruptly cut out and wouldn't start again for the
rest of the day. When the wine tasting room is
supposedly empty, security cameras capture balls of light that have
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been attributed to the deceased desk clerk. In addition, there
have been accounts of piano music playing at the top
of the carry houses stairs, disembodied footsteps, and an unseen
woman crying. The elevators run without being called smelling strongly
of cigar smoke. Items move on their own, including breakfast food,
which is sometimes found tossed around the dining area in
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the early hours. Numerous spirits have been spotted in the hotel,
but many of their identities are unknown. Accounts describe a
pretty woman in a blue dress and a young girl
who have each appeared on the staircase. Some suggest a
former kitchen employee is responsible for the sounds of dishes
being washed when the kitchen should be empty. That staffer
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may also be the culprit when the breakfast food is disturbed.
On the carry House page of Haunted Houses dot Com,
Julie Carr writes of one occasion when an employee stepped
onto the balcony only to find a man in Old
West style clothing sitting at a table playing cards. While
the workers stood unsure of how to react, the prospector's
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spirit slowly faded until no evidence remained to suggest he
was ever there. Perhaps the most famous specter to appear
in the Carrey House Hotel may be Black Bart, an
infamous outlaw who stayed at the hotel during his life.
Rumors suggest his spirit still lurks in the building. In
addition to these sightings, strange things happen in the hotel
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that defy explanation. According to author Linda Boucher, on one occasion,
a woman checked into the carry house and was assigned
to stay in room two o seven. She was in
her room when it came time to sign the guest book.
She pulled out her black inkpen, pressed the tip to paper,
and everything she und wrote came out blood red. Disturbed,
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the woman paused in confusion. Then she tried to write again,
and once more, scarlet letters splattered across the page. This
was so upsetting she ran out of the room with
the guest books still in her hands, and didn't stop
until she reached the front desk. There, the woman handed
the pen to the clerk, but when they tried to write,
the ink came out and standard black. Another account, one
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more from Linda, describes two women who were spending the
night in room three oh seven in April twenty twelve.
One of them woke in the middle of the night
because her friend was shouting, help me. I am terrified.
When she rushed over to check on her friend, the
one who'd cried for help said she'd seen a man
in a plaid shirt lying in bed with her. When
she tried to get away, she found herself unable to
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move until her friend ran up to help. Many accounts
feature Room two twelve, said to be the most haunted
room at the Carey House hotel. It's often chilly, even
when the rest of the building is toasty warm. Electronics
lose power rapidly, a rocking chair sways on its own,
and visitors detect an ominous ticking noise that doesn't have
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any clear source. In this room, paranormal investigators have made
contact with the man they've identified as Arnold Widman, a
teamster who stayed there sometime in the eighteen hundreds. It's
said he fell ill with influenza and died in the chamber.
Since then, numerous people claim they've seen him in the room.
Sometimes he has a long beard, other times witnesses can
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only see him from the chest down, an apparition of
blue jeans, a flannel shirt and boots, but no shoulder,
arms or head. His devastated widow is also said to
haunt the carry house. When she passes through Room two twelve,
you can tell because the whole area smells of lavender.
She's also been seen in nearby rooms like two O nine,
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which is also often unseasonably chilly. All these stories are
just the tip of the iceberg. Some believe the entire
town of Placerville is haunted.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I'm one of them.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
While the carry House is a hub for the city's
spectral activity.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
To help me.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Make sense of the many, many supernatural activities here, I'm
talking to Charlotte Cosa. She heads up a paranormal team
in California called California Haunts and has investigated the carry
House on multiple occasions. That's coming up after the break.
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I am now joined by a blast from the past
for me, and we'll go into that a little bit shortly.
But Charlotte Cosa is joining me, and she is the
founder of California Haunts in California, a longtime paranormal team
that I've known of for years, and so it's so
great to kind of catch up with you.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Charlotte. Thanks for joining well, thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, it's ironic that, like I'm talking about the carry
House and I've never investigated there because my whole family
lives in Plasterville and the Bay Area, and like I'm
in Plasterville multiple times a year, and I've always wanted
to investigate it, and so I kind of knew it
was like, I know, I know someone who's investigated this place,
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and your name popped up immediately.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
So I've been around.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, Well, I've investigated a lot of places in Plasterville.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I love Plasterville, by the way, I feel like.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I mean, I moved there my senior year in high school,
so that was a long time ago, and it just
really was so charming. And back then it was still
kind of artsy and rednecky, and nobody really knew about it.
But now everybody knows about it, and it's really blown up,
so the secret's out. But it's a great little town.
But it used to just be like where you stop
to go to McDonald's and use the bathroom on the
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way to Tahoe, right, right, right.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
So it becomes so much more.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yeah, and then Main Street, I mean, every building practically
on Main Street is haunted every.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Practically everybody exactly. I've investigated a number of buildings on
Main Street. I have not gotten my hands into the
carry house, so I know the stories, I know the history.
And now you investigated with your team a few times, right, yes, yes,
just kind of off the top of your head, Like,
what do you say is probably the activity that people
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encounter at that hotel most often?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I think it's Stan. Stan used to be Stan was
at a disc clerk.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, that's what I heard too, And like that because
like there's a laundry list of activity that is attributed
to Stan. And so did you have any interaction with
who you think could be him when you investigated there?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
We did, in fact our psychic who was with us
at the time, who you might know, Oh, probably, Yeah,
she's the one you know that was talking to you.
And then I haven't right in front of me right now,
she did she she only whispered, as she says, she
envisioned it with a mustache, a lot of gray hair,
and he had a beard. He would have been the
one who would come back to herself maybe somed she's
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talking about. And then she made the way up the stairs.
She stepped first up. Yeah, Stan, she encountered all the stairs.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
That's likes right in the live area, like the lobby is.
You walk into that hotel and it's clearly historic. There's
like stained glass, it's all dark wood, it's very original.
Looking and so yeah, I could definitely, I could definitely
see Stan being a culprit for some things.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
So what she picked up was that he would have
been a permanent fixtator. She didn't know any information about
the hotel at all, Okay, so she says that he's
the one that looks after the building, because that's exactly
what it is, because he was like the hotel death
clerk manager, you know, at the hotel when all this
went down. But he also had and I think you
know the history, he also had an eye for the ladies. Yes,
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so he was forever flirting with people and whatnot, and
that's what ended his life. And there's conflicting things about
the way he passed away too, because some you know,
some like like my team when we were out there,
came up with the fact that he was stabbed, okay
on the stairs there, but there's other people that say
he was shot.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, So it's kind of conflicting, right.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
He is, he's been there for a long time, and
I understand from hotel employees that I have talked to
during pre interviews for the investigations that he will also
let them know if there's something wrong and be related
to like fire.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Oh really, so he's kind of like he's kind of
watching over the building.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
How does he let them know? What does he do?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Well?
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I just did think they hear whispers, and I think
that's pretty much what's going on, because people hear voices
in there. They can hear whispers, and I think he'll
talk to the front disc clerks and tell all the stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Oh okay, yeah, I mean do you know?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
So I don't know, Like I feel like I don't
know how long the most recent owners have owned the hotel,
and I know that they had Jack and Katrina in
there not too long ago. So I know that there
was an episode of Portals film there, and I think
that's the only paranormal show that filmed there, or maybe
maybe Ghost Adventures did, I can't remember. But do you know, like,
do they embrace their hauntings there now or are they
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kind of shying away from that.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
No, they're willing to tell stories, but to have groups
come in, it's a little more difficult to have a
team come in because you know, it's just kind of
hard to tell with them whether they they're all forded with,
like you say, whether they're embracing it or not. Obviously
they're racing it because the history draws people in, but
as far as investigators going in, it's you know, it's
still few and far between you and there to investigate.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Well yeah, and it's difficult too because it's a it's
a working hotel. So unless you want to like buy
out the whole place, you know, it's which I guess
if you're a TV production with a lot of money
you could do that. I am not that person. So yeah,
so okay, now there. I know there are certain rooms
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that are haunted. Did you encounter any activity like in
any of the hotel rooms in particular?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yes, Okay, how did that go?
Speaker 3 (20:35):
It was interesting. You know, there's a lot of people,
you know, over the years of those old tails and
you probably know this is there was a lot of
disease rampant back then, you know, like we talk about COVID,
but I mean you look at the colun you look
at the flu, you know, because people died from the
flu back home, and the hotel does have a history
of several guests dying from the flu. And the thing
is the two main guests, the Weederman's the husband and wife.
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They're still they haven't gone anywhere, and so they like
to appear by your bed. You'll be sleeping and then
you look up and there's a guy with a beard
staring down at you.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, I mean that would be disconcerting, you know, you know,
especially if you're you know, you're up in Plasterville just
visiting and going wine tasting or something, and then you
wake up to that in your bedroom, which probably not
what people are looking for.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
His wife, Missus Edelman, she appears to people in rooms
two Eleana two eleven. Yeah, she just shows up wearing
a blue glove, a flowing blue gown, and I guess
she emits them from what we could smell. We could
smell lavender when when she came in the room.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
That's interesting, and so her apparition is seen as well.
And now is there anything like that's kind of I mean,
I don't know if you encountered that or maybe just
what they reported to you. Has there ever been anything
there that frightened people. Have you heard of guests kind
of running off in the night or anything like that there?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I have heard that. Yeah. In fact, just recently one
of my investigators told me that she she lives up
and or family loves a Plasterville. So she was up
on and she told me that she was told by
employees that, you know, just within the last maybe six months,
there's been people that have gotten up during the night
and taken off and not come back.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, I mean I could see that happening. I'm honestly
shocked that I haven't stayed there. To be honest, maybe
next time I'm in town, I'm gonna have to just
get a room and do some investigating. But I was
waiting for them to invite me. But I could be
waiting forever, so maybe I just need to take it
upon myself.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
So okay, well I went in.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
You know, we went in because I worked for the
newspaper there at that time, and so we went in
for the newspaper article. That's how we got in with
the team.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Oh, the Mountain Democrat. That's right. I really I was
able to.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Buy a newspaper article about to carry out. So you know,
that's how we got the other couple times in the
same way.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, because I know what it is.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
It's just that they want to embrace it. But on
the other hand, they want to go they're trying to
keep it to themselves, just to draw people in and
what But I mean, I'm not saying anything against them
because it's a beautiful place, but it is hard to
get in there for a full investigation.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, okay, so we clearly we have apparitions, we have
whispers and like beyond varitions, did you guys encounter like
any shadow figures or did you get any vps in particular?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Oh, please tell me all about it.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
As far as EVPs go, we can get a lot
of good stuff, but we didn't counter shadow figures in
the there's like there's like a meeting room. You walk
straight as through the doors in the back doors this
meeting room, and we were encountering shadow figures as well
as a downs there's a empty room like a dance floor,
you know essentially, but that's that room. And but and
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all my investigators saw dark shadows in the corner of
the bar in there.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah okay, and then now that area the bar and
where was that again?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Is the bar like on the main floor or is
it downstairs?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah? When you walk in and you go straight through
the lobby, and then that room is back there, and
that's was where they hold their weddings and all that
stuff back in.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
There got it now.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I had also heard through the grapevine actually that the
activity has even kind of spilled out from the hotel itself,
like meaning that people encounter things like in that little
there's a cheese Okay, so just really quick for the audience,
this is like my dream place. By the way, there's
literally it's this haunted hotel and it has a wine
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shop and a cheese shop attached to it, so I
could I would never have to leave if I was there.
So but that, but have you heard that I had
heard the activities actually spilled into some of those little shops.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
And I'm sure we're part of the hotel in the past, right, Yes.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
It is. In fact, even the Gentleman, although I was
throwing some extra history here, even the hangman will hang
out in the hotel, the original hangout.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I've heard that he gets around.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah he gets around too. But yeah, it has spilled out.
And I mean, you know what people don't understand about
Plastoville is, you know, compared to the East Coast, old
for us is young for you guys out there. But
when these ghosts hang out, they want to hang out.
I mean they've been partying coming out of the mine
so their mindset, they're still there partying, and so main
Street is just insane with energy. I remember my first
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day on main Street not realizing how much energy that
it was, and I was having visions all over the place,
just driving up and down Main Street. I mean they're everywhere.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, And I think if people visit Plasterville, like it's
important to note, like, for example, there is a cafe
a little further down Main Street. It used to be
the Cosmic Cafe. I don't know what it is. I
seet my hair done next door and stuff. But like
literally there is a mine in the back of the building.
You can just I don't know if it's open now,
but like you used to be able to just walk
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into this mine all the way back into the mountain.
You could have your coffee back there. I've investigated there
a few times, and it's like that all over main Street.
Like there's the bookstore. There is like a piece of
like the mine and a cave underneath the floor. They
have like a plexiglass over you're walking over it looking down.
I think most recently they had a fake skeleton down
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there last time.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
That right now the guy has a such you know
where the bookstore, but they're.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
All attached and these build are like that hardware store
on Main Street. It is the oldest operating hardware store,
what is it east or west of the Mississippi. There's
a lot of little claims to fame like that in Placterville,
and it's just the history there is insane, even you know.
I obviously I'm I live there for quite a while
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and I still go there all the time. I think
I'm even listed on their Wikipedia page as a notable resident.
But I mean, I just I'm in love with that town.
And even though all the history here in you know,
New England where I live now, I still like, I
don't think people realize everything that happened in these kind
of gold rush towns.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So Carrie House.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Hotel or not, I think a lot of that is
in that hotel still.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
And then plus you have the underground caverns, you know,
the tunnels out of there were well even for the
carry house. That's how they got the men folks, the
ladies of the night. Yeah, without without going like mains
the main stream, as they say, because they could go
on pass underneath the streets and everything and then go
over the world those places and everything.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
That's what I love.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Everywhere you go in uh In, like those gold rush towns,
everything was a former bordello.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
It was they all used to be bordello. Everywhere you go.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
You could go to like you know, Taco Bellma, like
this used to be a bordello. But I love that
about it.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
So now we've talked about shadow figures, we've had whispers.
What other things did you guys encounter there that you
found like fascinating? The cat a cat okay, I don't remember.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
In the hotel that likes to halt the hotel and
people will be staying it could be any room in
the hotel and people will be staying in these rooms
at night and they'll feel this cat jump up on
the bed, okay, and they could actually pet the cat.
It's it's it's it's been dead for years. This cat,
it just like to hang out there.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
This is like a documented cat that the hotel had
at one point, I guess.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
So at some point, Yeah, that was something I could
tell you that was unique because it was a saloon,
you know salon, Well you had the history. Yeah, so
we were in that back room and you'll have been
for the newspaper article, and I actually picked up the
sound of a chakla, you know how when people will
like to take a drink and turn the glass over
and slap it down on the heart on a wood surface. Yeah,
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I actually picked up the sound of that happening.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
That's so like that they're back there still, you know,
taking shots in the extra life.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
That I love. But also like going back to the cat.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I like that because people ask me all the time
if I've ever encountered the ghosts of animals. They want
mostly people want to know, like do their animals come back?
And remarkably, it happens pretty often, especially with cats. Strangely,
like I've even investigated this is not the carry house.
When I investigated a place that said they had a
ghost cat. And this was in New Hampshire somewhere, and
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I remember, obviously as soon as they said that they
had a ghost cat, I was like where, and they
said in the basement, and I was like goodbye, and
I went straight to the basement. So I went down
there and I actually felt it felt like there was
a cat rubbing against my leg and I got and
vp of a cat purring, and so like they definitely
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I mean, I firmly believe that, and especially like can
you imagine the life that a hotel cat would have,
like everybody petting it every day and feeding it, Like
why would they want to leave?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Right? Absolutely? And you know the Cosmic Well, I thought
no one was called out, but the Cosmic Cafe also
has a Fethom cat.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I have to find out what they're called that because
I have been there since that was the old name.
But I've been there many times over the years, like
to see friends, bands and things, and it's a really
cool space.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
It is a really cool space. So I give you
an idea the ghosts at the carry house, because that's
what we're talking about right now. There's a little girl.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Into the right Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
The theory is that she was a weedman and she
died of Weederman's their name is she died?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
And now did you encounter her at all in your investigations?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yes, yeah, in fact we could hear We could hear
her running up and now on the second floor hallway
and she was giggling when we were up there. There's
another entity that pans out in the meeting room right
at the hotel and she she just likes to hang
out in the much people walk by, just she's one
of those looking.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
And so that's in that same meeting room where you
saw like shadows and things too.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah. Yeah, and she had been a prostitute from what
she told us.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And now was this gathered like psychically or did you
get like EVPs or psychically?
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah, delty rods.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Oh okay, because.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
When we do go out, I'm a stickler for I
don't put the evidence out through unless I have at
least two to three verifications on it, right, right, So
I'll work with dowsing rods and a psychic and then
you know, cameras and EVPs you know, and all that
stuff to confirm it.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
That's nice, that's good.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah. There's also a wagon driver. Oh but he's always seen.
He only partially appears, so you get the bottom half.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Oh so it's not a fall, I've seen that before.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah. Yeah, it's all for the waist down.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
And so is that like more of a residual spirit,
like is he interacting?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I think it's where residual Yeah, I think it's where Okay.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I hadn't heard that one.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
And there's also, of course, like all those other hotels,
there's a cook in the kitchen that doesn't want to go.
There's only one in the kitchen, and so they've got
through share.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
That's too funny, So that's prob I mean, that's a
cast of characters in that place.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yes, Yes, it's a really busy place. I know there's
reports of people walking by, you know, because they have
the balcony outside. I know there's reports of people walking
down main street seeing people in period clothing up all
that balcony.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, and it's funny because so one of the things
Plasarpa likes to do is there are regularly period dressed
people walking around because they do, especially during like the
holidays and stuff, they do wagon rides through town. And
there's a lot of like living history reenactors, and so
you would really not know, you would. You could be
looking at a ghost and you wouldn't know it. You
would just think it was another reenactor come to think
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of it.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
There's also a gambler of course, and there he's one
of the main ones that hangs out on the balcony.
He's out there playing cards.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
So that balcony can you even go out there anymore.
I feel like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I don't know if they let people out there anymore.
I know they did the ten years ago, but yeah,
I don't know what. I haven't been out there. Well.
I mean we've investigated probably every building on Main Street.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot. I mean I've investigated quite
a few as well. Back in the day. I think
we even did some group investigations there once where we
just went from building to building. But yeah, the balcony,
I feel like I remember it being a little saggy,
maybe not something you'd want to sit on or stand on.
So if I saw someone up there, So if I
saw someone up there now, I would be questioning whether
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or not they were living or not.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
See, that's the main thing, kids, if your ghost other
we want to hoot ghosts. We don't want to become.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
No, no, you don't want to be you don't want
to be another one of those casts of characters at
the Carry House, except you're like the modern ghost.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
And though you know, yeah, you know, it's like, you know,
we've done so many old hotels that I'm not saying
that they're all to say because it's not fair to
say that. But I mean, you're here. You have similar
you know, ghosts in all.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
These hotels, right, And I think that the history too,
of just Main Street in general, because you know, Plasterville
is still referred to as hang town because they did,
you know, there were a lot of they hung a
lot of people on the main Street. It was a
big affair there. Yeah, and so, and I don't know
if the hanging man is still hanging on Main Street.
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Last time I was there, he was there.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
They closed that. They have torn down that building.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Oh okay, all right, they.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Moved it further down main Street, but I think they
moved him too.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
But there's still Yeah, I feel like he was still there.
There's literally still a man hanging, a mannequin hanging on
Main Street.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah. The interesting thing about that place too is that
it had upstairs and there was a lot of activity
upstairs at that place.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Well it sounds like sounds like Plasterville is just as
busy in the afterlife as it is currently.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
So, I mean, I got these weird things with my
ability is not realizing that I was in pathic really
until I got to Plasterville. I remember, I would be
seeing things like if I had an investigation skill somewhere
I would see the ghost from that particular investigation the
night before always.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
So I'm having lunch. I was supposed to go to
I don't know, one of the buildings on Main Street.
I'm having lunch one day and I see this man
walk from one wall and go through another right in
front of me.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Oh geez. Yeah, well that would be alarming and.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Things like that. Just you know, there was a build
up to this investigation, just like Anna from from the Boys'
school up there in I Owe.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Oh yeah, I did do an episode on that as well.
Preston Castle.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I went in at the bat in the bathroom at
my work.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Oh geez, so they're coming around.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I felt like I was being washed over my shoulder.
There was this kind of white haired woman sitting there
in one of those old timey smocks and it was
Anna Corbin.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Oh jeez.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
So, I mean, you know this stuff goes on. But yeah,
I mean I highly recommend de mean, if you if
you're out and about with your family or whatever, the
Cailly House for the most part is safe to take
your family and as far as entities, because they really harm.
I mean, there are a couple there's always batties. You know,
you always gonna run into that, but the majority of
it is that you know, it's just a lost souls there.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, okay, well tell us what you're doing so you
can kind of shout it out to the audience. So
you are obviously you have your team. I know you
have a podcast. How can people find you?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
They can front me everywhere. I'm on Facebook, true California Hats.
We also have a California Hots radio site there Shakra
Minto sears s e E r S. And I'm over
on Instagram as you know, as goes to Gael. I'm
on TikTok as California Hats. I have California Hats on
Twitter and kel hots on all the other one. I
can do it now. But yeah, there's so many of them.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
There's so many. Yeah, you're You're easy to track down.
So it was really nice to catch up with you,
and I do really appreciate you taking the time. And
so I'll be out there soon next month, out there
for Christmas and everything. So I'm just gonna go up
to the carry house and be like, excuse me, let
me in.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
That would be cool. They were cool.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
In the mid eighteen hundreds. Gold Rush towns like Hangtown
represented both opportunity and ruin. The promise of glittering ore
and the chance to strike it rich drew prospectors from
all over the world, but these frontier towns were also
hubs of injustice, disease, and violence. Today, the community now
known as Plastovil, remembers its history. That's clear in everything
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from the nineteenth century style buildings that line Main Street,
to the historic decor of the rooms at the carry
House hotel, to the long dead specters that never left.
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Thanks.
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Amy Brune, with additional research by Cassandra de Alba. This
show is edited and produced by rema Elkali, with supervising
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
This episode of Haunted Road is extra special to me.
It takes place in a town where many of you
know I lived for a time, and many of my
families still call it home, so I'm there at least
a few times a year. It's quaint yet eclectic, and
the whole main street is very, very haunted. Today's location
is a bit elusive to me, though I've been inside
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it many times, and I've glided my hands across the
rich wooden railings in the lobby, wondering what stories they
could tell. But I've never investigated it, never even had
a paranormal experience there. And let me tell you, after
the stories and history we will discuss today, I am
determined to change this asa. Come with me to Placerville, California,
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otherwise known as Old Hangtown, and let's visit the Carry
House Hotel. I'm Amy Bruney, and this is Haunted Road.
Nestled in the Eldorado National Forest just east of Sacramento.
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There's a small city called Placerville. It's a colorful community,
literally pink and blue buildings line the streets with old
fashioned facades that feel like something out of a technicolor
Old West. One brick structure on Main Street sticks out.
It's four stories tall, so it towers over its shorter neighbors.
Brightly lit and welcoming, A second story balcony is encircled
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by a wrought iron railing strung with lights, all under
a green awning. More lights dot the roof, illuminating a
sign that identifies the property as carry House. On the
side of the building. Another sign special Hotel inside the
lobby boasts green carpet with a swirling circular pattern reminiscent
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of leaves. The stained glass windows depict the four seasons.
According to Jerry Beard's article with Style Magazine titled in History,
carry House Hotel in Plastererville, the forty or so guest
rooms are all upstairs, and visitors ascend an ornate mahogany
staircase to reach them. Each chamber has furniture and decor
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appropriate to the eighteen hundreds, elegant nightstands, decorative moldings, and
windows draped with white curtains. While the building originally had
shared communal restrooms, for guests.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
These days, each.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Room has its very own bathroom. Some of the more
sizeable suites have kitchenettes as well. The business was built
in nineteen fifteen, reportedly constructed from the bricks of another
hotel with the same name that previously stood at the
same address. Before that, a saloon beckoned customers to the
same spot, called the Eldorado Hotel and Saloon. It was
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founded in the rough and tumble Old West era, which
is when European prospectors first settled in the region. The
California gold Rush began in the mid nineteenth century just
a short distance away from Placerville, which was originally dubbed
Old Dry Diggins. According to the City of Plasarville's Plasarville
City History website, the name was a very literal description
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of the process miners would follow to try to recover
gold from the area. They'd dig up carts of dry dirt,
then dip the soil into running water to wash away
the sediment and sort out small bits of ore. Life
in Old Dry Diggins could be brutal. Buyers often swept
through town, and because the buildings were made of wood
and built close together, a small spark could easily burn
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the whole outpost to the ground. The settlement ignited three
separate times in eighteen fifty six alone. Additionally, communities like
Old Dry Diggins were often lawless, and it was common
for citizens to take justice into their own hands. According
to a journalist named Edward Gouldbuffem, a vigilante mob was
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moved to violence in January of eighteen forty nine. That month,
five men, none of whom spoke English, were caught attempting
to rob a man named Lopez. They were arrested and
sentenced to be publicly whipped thirty nine times. However, after
their punishment was dealt, another accuser came forward, claiming the
five had been involved in another attempted robbery and homicide.
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It's hard to say if the accusation was credible because
the men weren't granted a fair trial. As local historian
and reporter Doug Noble reported in an October two thousand
and nine issue of The Mountain Democrat, they were too
weak from the recent lashing to get to the courtroom,
so while they recovered in a nearby house, the locals
threw together a makeshift jury and weighed their guilt without
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taking the accused robber's statements or giving them a chance
to defend themselves. Edward Buffum was present for them trial,
and he watched as the townspeople were roused into a
violent frenzy. One person shouted that the five men should
be hanged, and many others cheered the idea. When Edward
tried to calm them and make them listen to reason,
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the crowd turned on him until he quieted. Edward watched
in horror as the rest of the mob dragged the
condemned men out of the house. It's possible the accused
didn't even know what was going on. They repeatedly asked
for an interpreter, but the locals refused even this mercy.
Edward writes that the five were blindfolded, bound, and placed
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atop a wagon with nooses around their necks. When the
wagon pulled forward, the newses tightened, and the men met
their fates hung from a white oak tree. In an
article titled Criminal Annals, Part three, Buffem's version of the hangings,
Doug Noble quotes the article. Edward later wrote about the event.
He said, this was the first execution I ever witnessed.
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God grant that it may be the last. Sadly, this
proved to be far from an isolated incident. Another extra
judicial hanging occurred the following year. In eighteen fifty, the
Eldorado Hotel and Saloon had recently been erected right across
the street from the Oak Tree, and one day at
the hotel a brawl broke out over a card game.
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The fight escalated until a man named Richard Crone nicknamed
Irish Dick, stabbed another person three times. Sadly, his victim
did not survive the attack. When Irish Dick was tried
for the murder, a huge crowd of almost two thousand
angry locals assembled outside the courthouse. A judge determined the
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killer should be sent to jail, and apparently this was
too lenient for the townsfolk. When Irish Dick was led
out of the courthouse, the crowd swarmed over him. Doug
Noble writes that they tossed a lasso over Irish Dick's
head and used it to haul him over to a
nearby white oak dad tree, the same tree the five
accused robbers were hanged from the year before. Like them,
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Irish Dick died suspended from its boughs in spite of
the fact that he never received a formal death sentence.
Thanks to incidents like these, the community earned the nickname Hangtown.
For fifty years, the official town logo featured an image
of a tree with a dangling noose, and the oak
that was used for these hangings became a tourist destination
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in its own right. After it was chopped down, a
bar was built around the stump, called appropriately the Hangman's Tree. Today,
you can still trek to three to zero eight Main
Street and view what remains of the old oak in
the basement. Local lore aside, it can be tricky to
speculate on just how common these hangings were, as record
keeping at the time was less than thorough. That's not
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only true of vigilante activities, but also the day to
day operations in Hangtown. For example, there were many rumors
which are almost impossible to verify, of a front desk
clerk who worked at the carry House Hotel at some
point in the nineteenth century. His name was Stan Levine.
It's hard to say if he was an employee at
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the Eldorado Hotel in Saloon, which operated from eighteen forty
nine to eighteen fifty six. Or the carry House hotel,
which was built at the same location after a fire
burned down the initial structure. Either way, there are no
records of Stan or his tenure, but rumor suggests that
when he was alive he had a terrible cough. The
visit El Dorado website also says he was prone to
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drinking to excess, and when he was inebriated, he tended
to get belligerent and hansy. He had a reputation for
grabbing his customer's bottoms when he was drunk. It said
that he died in the hotel where he worked, but
again this is difficult to verify. Accounts of his death
very wildly. In some stories, he was murdered after making
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a pass at a male client while they both stood
at the top of a staircase. The customer was reportedly
so enraged by the same sex flirtation that he drew
a knife and stabs Stand twice in the chest. Wounded,
Stan fell down the stairs and took his last breath
at the bottom. In other accounts, the killer was a
jealous husband who flew into a murderous fury after Stan
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flirted with his wife once again. It said the deadly
confrontation took place on the stairwell, but in this version,
the husband shot Stan at the bottom. In her book
Haunted Hotels of the California Gold Country, author Nancy Williams
writes that Stan dragged himself from the stairs to the parlor,
where the woman he'd been flirting with watched in horror.
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Stan died as he stared at her tear filled eyes
and still. Other narratives described Stan simply succumbing to alcohol
related illness after years of excessive drinking. However, he died,
it said his spirit remains in the carry house. When
visitors approached the base of the staircase, they say, a
wave of great sadness comes over them, and it seems
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like he it never got over his propensity for pinching
people's bottoms. Guests, men and women alike sometimes feel his
touch on their backsides in the hotel's lobby and in
the alley and sidewalk outside the building. Others here stands
familiar cough or a whistle inside, and when strange mists
form in the lobby it could be evidence of his presence.
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Stan seems prone to wandering out of the hotel. It's
reported that the front door often opens on its own,
and in a bookstore that sits near a bar stand
used to frequent books often go flying off the shelves.
Linda Baucher wrote in gold Rush Ghosts of Placerville, Colomba,
and Georgetown that Stan tears the books down in frustration
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after finding there's no liquor in the shop. However, Stan
is believed to be equally destructive in a local winery
tasting room, how Dare.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
You, which he also visits.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Accounts say he shatters wine glasses and interferes with electronics.
On one occasion, he cranked the tasting room's music up
to round out the sound of a customer talking. When
the bartenders snapped at stand to knock it off, the
sound abruptly cut out and wouldn't start again for the
rest of the day. When the wine tasting room is
supposedly empty, security cameras capture balls of light that have
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been attributed to the deceased desk clerk. In addition, there
have been accounts of piano music playing at the top
of the carry houses stairs, disembodied footsteps, and an unseen
woman crying. The elevators run without being called smelling strongly
of cigar smoke. Items move on their own, including breakfast food,
which is sometimes found tossed around the dining area in
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the early hours. Numerous spirits have been spotted in the hotel,
but many of their identities are unknown. Accounts describe a
pretty woman in a blue dress and a young girl
who have each appeared on the staircase. Some suggest a
former kitchen employee is responsible for the sounds of dishes
being washed when the kitchen should be empty. That staffer
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may also be the culprit when the breakfast food is disturbed.
On the carry House page of Haunted Houses dot Com,
Julie Carr writes of one occasion when an employee stepped
onto the balcony only to find a man in Old
West style clothing sitting at a table playing cards. While
the workers stood unsure of how to react, the prospector's
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spirit slowly faded until no evidence remained to suggest he
was ever there. Perhaps the most famous specter to appear
in the Carrey House Hotel may be Black Bart, an
infamous outlaw who stayed at the hotel during his life.
Rumors suggest his spirit still lurks in the building. In
addition to these sightings, strange things happen in the hotel
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that defy explanation. According to author Linda Boucher, on one occasion,
a woman checked into the carry house and was assigned
to stay in room two o seven. She was in
her room when it came time to sign the guest book.
She pulled out her black inkpen, pressed the tip to paper,
and everything she und wrote came out blood red. Disturbed,
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the woman paused in confusion. Then she tried to write again,
and once more, scarlet letters splattered across the page. This
was so upsetting she ran out of the room with
the guest books still in her hands, and didn't stop
until she reached the front desk. There, the woman handed
the pen to the clerk, but when they tried to write,
the ink came out and standard black. Another account, one
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more from Linda, describes two women who were spending the
night in room three oh seven in April twenty twelve.
One of them woke in the middle of the night
because her friend was shouting, help me. I am terrified.
When she rushed over to check on her friend, the
one who'd cried for help said she'd seen a man
in a plaid shirt lying in bed with her. When
she tried to get away, she found herself unable to
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move until her friend ran up to help. Many accounts
feature Room two twelve, said to be the most haunted
room at the Carey House hotel. It's often chilly, even
when the rest of the building is toasty warm. Electronics
lose power rapidly, a rocking chair sways on its own,
and visitors detect an ominous ticking noise that doesn't have
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any clear source. In this room, paranormal investigators have made
contact with the man they've identified as Arnold Widman, a
teamster who stayed there sometime in the eighteen hundreds. It's
said he fell ill with influenza and died in the chamber.
Since then, numerous people claim they've seen him in the room.
Sometimes he has a long beard, other times witnesses can
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only see him from the chest down, an apparition of
blue jeans, a flannel shirt and boots, but no shoulder,
arms or head. His devastated widow is also said to
haunt the carry house. When she passes through Room two twelve,
you can tell because the whole area smells of lavender.
She's also been seen in nearby rooms like two O nine,
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which is also often unseasonably chilly. All these stories are
just the tip of the iceberg. Some believe the entire
town of Placerville is haunted.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I'm one of them.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
While the carry House is a hub for the city's
spectral activity.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
To help me.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Make sense of the many, many supernatural activities here, I'm
talking to Charlotte Cosa. She heads up a paranormal team
in California called California Haunts and has investigated the carry
House on multiple occasions. That's coming up after the break.
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I am now joined by a blast from the past
for me, and we'll go into that a little bit shortly.
But Charlotte Cosa is joining me, and she is the
founder of California Haunts in California, a longtime paranormal team
that I've known of for years, and so it's so
great to kind of catch up with you.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Charlotte. Thanks for joining well, thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, it's ironic that, like I'm talking about the carry
House and I've never investigated there because my whole family
lives in Plasterville and the Bay Area, and like I'm
in Plasterville multiple times a year, and I've always wanted
to investigate it, and so I kind of knew it
was like, I know, I know someone who's investigated this place,
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and your name popped up immediately.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
So I've been around.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, Well, I've investigated a lot of places in Plasterville.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I love Plasterville, by the way, I feel like.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I mean, I moved there my senior year in high school,
so that was a long time ago, and it just
really was so charming. And back then it was still
kind of artsy and rednecky, and nobody really knew about it.
But now everybody knows about it, and it's really blown up,
so the secret's out. But it's a great little town.
But it used to just be like where you stop
to go to McDonald's and use the bathroom on the
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way to Tahoe, right, right, right.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
So it becomes so much more.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yeah, and then Main Street, I mean, every building practically
on Main Street is haunted every.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Practically everybody exactly. I've investigated a number of buildings on
Main Street. I have not gotten my hands into the
carry house, so I know the stories, I know the history.
And now you investigated with your team a few times, right, yes, yes,
just kind of off the top of your head, Like,
what do you say is probably the activity that people
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encounter at that hotel most often?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I think it's Stan. Stan used to be Stan was
at a disc clerk.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, that's what I heard too, And like that because
like there's a laundry list of activity that is attributed
to Stan. And so did you have any interaction with
who you think could be him when you investigated there?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
We did, in fact our psychic who was with us
at the time, who you might know, Oh, probably, Yeah,
she's the one you know that was talking to you.
And then I haven't right in front of me right now,
she did she she only whispered, as she says, she
envisioned it with a mustache, a lot of gray hair,
and he had a beard. He would have been the
one who would come back to herself maybe somed she's
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talking about. And then she made the way up the stairs.
She stepped first up. Yeah, Stan, she encountered all the stairs.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
That's likes right in the live area, like the lobby is.
You walk into that hotel and it's clearly historic. There's
like stained glass, it's all dark wood, it's very original.
Looking and so yeah, I could definitely, I could definitely
see Stan being a culprit for some things.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
So what she picked up was that he would have
been a permanent fixtator. She didn't know any information about
the hotel at all, Okay, so she says that he's
the one that looks after the building, because that's exactly
what it is, because he was like the hotel death
clerk manager, you know, at the hotel when all this
went down. But he also had and I think you
know the history, he also had an eye for the ladies. Yes,
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so he was forever flirting with people and whatnot, and
that's what ended his life. And there's conflicting things about
the way he passed away too, because some you know,
some like like my team when we were out there,
came up with the fact that he was stabbed, okay
on the stairs there, but there's other people that say
he was shot.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, So it's kind of conflicting, right.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
He is, he's been there for a long time, and
I understand from hotel employees that I have talked to
during pre interviews for the investigations that he will also
let them know if there's something wrong and be related
to like fire.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Oh really, so he's kind of like he's kind of
watching over the building.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
How does he let them know? What does he do?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Well?
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I just did think they hear whispers, and I think
that's pretty much what's going on, because people hear voices
in there. They can hear whispers, and I think he'll
talk to the front disc clerks and tell all the stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Oh okay, yeah, I mean do you know?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
So I don't know, Like I feel like I don't
know how long the most recent owners have owned the hotel,
and I know that they had Jack and Katrina in
there not too long ago. So I know that there
was an episode of Portals film there, and I think
that's the only paranormal show that filmed there, or maybe
maybe Ghost Adventures did, I can't remember. But do you know, like,
do they embrace their hauntings there now or are they
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kind of shying away from that.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
No, they're willing to tell stories, but to have groups
come in, it's a little more difficult to have a
team come in because you know, it's just kind of
hard to tell with them whether they they're all forded with,
like you say, whether they're embracing it or not. Obviously
they're racing it because the history draws people in, but
as far as investigators going in, it's you know, it's
still few and far between you and there to investigate.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Well yeah, and it's difficult too because it's a it's
a working hotel. So unless you want to like buy
out the whole place, you know, it's which I guess
if you're a TV production with a lot of money
you could do that. I am not that person. So yeah,
so okay, now there. I know there are certain rooms
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that are haunted. Did you encounter any activity like in
any of the hotel rooms in particular?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yes, Okay, how did that go?
Speaker 3 (20:35):
It was interesting. You know, there's a lot of people,
you know, over the years of those old tails and
you probably know this is there was a lot of
disease rampant back then, you know, like we talk about COVID,
but I mean you look at the colun you look
at the flu, you know, because people died from the
flu back home, and the hotel does have a history
of several guests dying from the flu. And the thing
is the two main guests, the Weederman's the husband and wife.
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They're still they haven't gone anywhere, and so they like
to appear by your bed. You'll be sleeping and then
you look up and there's a guy with a beard
staring down at you.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, I mean that would be disconcerting, you know, you know,
especially if you're you know, you're up in Plasterville just
visiting and going wine tasting or something, and then you
wake up to that in your bedroom, which probably not
what people are looking for.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
His wife, Missus Edelman, she appears to people in rooms
two Eleana two eleven. Yeah, she just shows up wearing
a blue glove, a flowing blue gown, and I guess
she emits them from what we could smell. We could
smell lavender when when she came in the room.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
That's interesting, and so her apparition is seen as well.
And now is there anything like that's kind of I mean,
I don't know if you encountered that or maybe just
what they reported to you. Has there ever been anything
there that frightened people. Have you heard of guests kind
of running off in the night or anything like that there?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I have heard that. Yeah. In fact, just recently one
of my investigators told me that she she lives up
and or family loves a Plasterville. So she was up
on and she told me that she was told by
employees that, you know, just within the last maybe six months,
there's been people that have gotten up during the night
and taken off and not come back.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, I mean I could see that happening. I'm honestly
shocked that I haven't stayed there. To be honest, maybe
next time I'm in town, I'm gonna have to just
get a room and do some investigating. But I was
waiting for them to invite me. But I could be
waiting forever, so maybe I just need to take it
upon myself.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
So okay, well I went in.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
You know, we went in because I worked for the
newspaper there at that time, and so we went in
for the newspaper article. That's how we got in with
the team.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Oh, the Mountain Democrat. That's right. I really I was
able to.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Buy a newspaper article about to carry out. So you know,
that's how we got the other couple times in the
same way.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, because I know what it is.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
It's just that they want to embrace it. But on
the other hand, they want to go they're trying to
keep it to themselves, just to draw people in and
what But I mean, I'm not saying anything against them
because it's a beautiful place, but it is hard to
get in there for a full investigation.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, okay, so we clearly we have apparitions, we have
whispers and like beyond varitions, did you guys encounter like
any shadow figures or did you get any vps in particular?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Oh, please tell me all about it.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
As far as EVPs go, we can get a lot
of good stuff, but we didn't counter shadow figures in
the there's like there's like a meeting room. You walk
straight as through the doors in the back doors this
meeting room, and we were encountering shadow figures as well
as a downs there's a empty room like a dance floor,
you know essentially, but that's that room. And but and
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all my investigators saw dark shadows in the corner of
the bar in there.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah okay, and then now that area the bar and
where was that again?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Is the bar like on the main floor or is
it downstairs?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah? When you walk in and you go straight through
the lobby, and then that room is back there, and
that's was where they hold their weddings and all that
stuff back in.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
There got it now.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I had also heard through the grapevine actually that the
activity has even kind of spilled out from the hotel itself,
like meaning that people encounter things like in that little
there's a cheese Okay, so just really quick for the audience,
this is like my dream place. By the way, there's
literally it's this haunted hotel and it has a wine
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shop and a cheese shop attached to it, so I
could I would never have to leave if I was there.
So but that, but have you heard that I had
heard the activities actually spilled into some of those little shops.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
And I'm sure we're part of the hotel in the past, right, Yes.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
It is. In fact, even the Gentleman, although I was
throwing some extra history here, even the hangman will hang
out in the hotel, the original hangout.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I've heard that he gets around.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah he gets around too. But yeah, it has spilled out.
And I mean, you know what people don't understand about
Plastoville is, you know, compared to the East Coast, old
for us is young for you guys out there. But
when these ghosts hang out, they want to hang out.
I mean they've been partying coming out of the mine
so their mindset, they're still there partying, and so main
Street is just insane with energy. I remember my first
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day on main Street not realizing how much energy that
it was, and I was having visions all over the place,
just driving up and down Main Street. I mean they're everywhere.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, And I think if people visit Plasterville, like it's
important to note, like, for example, there is a cafe
a little further down Main Street. It used to be
the Cosmic Cafe. I don't know what it is. I
seet my hair done next door and stuff. But like
literally there is a mine in the back of the building.
You can just I don't know if it's open now,
but like you used to be able to just walk
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into this mine all the way back into the mountain.
You could have your coffee back there. I've investigated there
a few times, and it's like that all over main Street.
Like there's the bookstore. There is like a piece of
like the mine and a cave underneath the floor. They
have like a plexiglass over you're walking over it looking down.
I think most recently they had a fake skeleton down
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there last time.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
That right now the guy has a such you know
where the bookstore, but they're.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
All attached and these build are like that hardware store
on Main Street. It is the oldest operating hardware store,
what is it east or west of the Mississippi. There's
a lot of little claims to fame like that in Placterville,
and it's just the history there is insane, even you know.
I obviously I'm I live there for quite a while
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and I still go there all the time. I think
I'm even listed on their Wikipedia page as a notable resident.
But I mean, I just I'm in love with that town.
And even though all the history here in you know,
New England where I live now, I still like, I
don't think people realize everything that happened in these kind
of gold rush towns.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So Carrie House.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Hotel or not, I think a lot of that is
in that hotel still.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
And then plus you have the underground caverns, you know,
the tunnels out of there were well even for the
carry house. That's how they got the men folks, the
ladies of the night. Yeah, without without going like mains
the main stream, as they say, because they could go
on pass underneath the streets and everything and then go
over the world those places and everything.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
That's what I love.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Everywhere you go in uh In, like those gold rush towns,
everything was a former bordello.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
It was they all used to be bordello. Everywhere you go.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
You could go to like you know, Taco Bellma, like
this used to be a bordello. But I love that
about it.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
So now we've talked about shadow figures, we've had whispers.
What other things did you guys encounter there that you
found like fascinating? The cat a cat okay, I don't remember.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
In the hotel that likes to halt the hotel and
people will be staying it could be any room in
the hotel and people will be staying in these rooms
at night and they'll feel this cat jump up on
the bed, okay, and they could actually pet the cat.
It's it's it's it's been dead for years. This cat,
it just like to hang out there.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
This is like a documented cat that the hotel had
at one point, I guess.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
So at some point, Yeah, that was something I could
tell you that was unique because it was a saloon,
you know salon, Well you had the history. Yeah, so
we were in that back room and you'll have been
for the newspaper article, and I actually picked up the
sound of a chakla, you know how when people will
like to take a drink and turn the glass over
and slap it down on the heart on a wood surface. Yeah,
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I actually picked up the sound of that happening.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
That's so like that they're back there still, you know,
taking shots in the extra life.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
That I love. But also like going back to the cat.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I like that because people ask me all the time
if I've ever encountered the ghosts of animals. They want
mostly people want to know, like do their animals come back?
And remarkably, it happens pretty often, especially with cats. Strangely,
like I've even investigated this is not the carry house.
When I investigated a place that said they had a
ghost cat. And this was in New Hampshire somewhere, and
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I remember, obviously as soon as they said that they
had a ghost cat, I was like where, and they
said in the basement, and I was like goodbye, and
I went straight to the basement. So I went down
there and I actually felt it felt like there was
a cat rubbing against my leg and I got and
vp of a cat purring, and so like they definitely
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I mean, I firmly believe that, and especially like can
you imagine the life that a hotel cat would have,
like everybody petting it every day and feeding it, Like
why would they want to leave?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Right? Absolutely? And you know the Cosmic Well, I thought
no one was called out, but the Cosmic Cafe also
has a Fethom cat.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I have to find out what they're called that because
I have been there since that was the old name.
But I've been there many times over the years, like
to see friends, bands and things, and it's a really
cool space.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
It is a really cool space. So I give you
an idea the ghosts at the carry house, because that's
what we're talking about right now. There's a little girl.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Into the right Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
The theory is that she was a weedman and she
died of Weederman's their name is she died?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
And now did you encounter her at all in your investigations?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yes, yeah, in fact we could hear We could hear
her running up and now on the second floor hallway
and she was giggling when we were up there. There's
another entity that pans out in the meeting room right
at the hotel and she she just likes to hang
out in the much people walk by, just she's one
of those looking.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
And so that's in that same meeting room where you
saw like shadows and things too.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah. Yeah, and she had been a prostitute from what
she told us.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And now was this gathered like psychically or did you
get like EVPs or psychically?
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah, delty rods.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Oh okay, because.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
When we do go out, I'm a stickler for I
don't put the evidence out through unless I have at
least two to three verifications on it, right, right, So
I'll work with dowsing rods and a psychic and then
you know, cameras and EVPs you know, and all that
stuff to confirm it.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
That's nice, that's good.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah. There's also a wagon driver. Oh but he's always seen.
He only partially appears, so you get the bottom half.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Oh so it's not a fall, I've seen that before.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah. Yeah, it's all for the waist down.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
And so is that like more of a residual spirit,
like is he interacting?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I think it's where residual Yeah, I think it's where Okay.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I hadn't heard that one.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
And there's also, of course, like all those other hotels,
there's a cook in the kitchen that doesn't want to go.
There's only one in the kitchen, and so they've got
through share.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
That's too funny, So that's prob I mean, that's a
cast of characters in that place.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yes, Yes, it's a really busy place. I know there's
reports of people walking by, you know, because they have
the balcony outside. I know there's reports of people walking
down main street seeing people in period clothing up all
that balcony.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, and it's funny because so one of the things
Plasarpa likes to do is there are regularly period dressed
people walking around because they do, especially during like the
holidays and stuff, they do wagon rides through town. And
there's a lot of like living history reenactors, and so
you would really not know, you would. You could be
looking at a ghost and you wouldn't know it. You
would just think it was another reenactor come to think
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of it.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
There's also a gambler of course, and there he's one
of the main ones that hangs out on the balcony.
He's out there playing cards.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
So that balcony can you even go out there anymore.
I feel like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I don't know if they let people out there anymore.
I know they did the ten years ago, but yeah,
I don't know what. I haven't been out there. Well.
I mean we've investigated probably every building on Main Street.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot. I mean I've investigated quite
a few as well. Back in the day. I think
we even did some group investigations there once where we
just went from building to building. But yeah, the balcony,
I feel like I remember it being a little saggy,
maybe not something you'd want to sit on or stand on.
So if I saw someone up there, So if I
saw someone up there now, I would be questioning whether
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or not they were living or not.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
See, that's the main thing, kids, if your ghost other
we want to hoot ghosts. We don't want to become.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
No, no, you don't want to be you don't want
to be another one of those casts of characters at
the Carry House, except you're like the modern ghost.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
And though you know, yeah, you know, it's like, you know,
we've done so many old hotels that I'm not saying
that they're all to say because it's not fair to
say that. But I mean, you're here. You have similar
you know, ghosts in all.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
These hotels, right, And I think that the history too,
of just Main Street in general, because you know, Plasterville
is still referred to as hang town because they did,
you know, there were a lot of they hung a
lot of people on the main Street. It was a
big affair there. Yeah, and so, and I don't know
if the hanging man is still hanging on Main Street.
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Last time I was there, he was there.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
They closed that. They have torn down that building.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Oh okay, all right, they.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Moved it further down main Street, but I think they
moved him too.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
But there's still Yeah, I feel like he was still there.
There's literally still a man hanging, a mannequin hanging on
Main Street.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah. The interesting thing about that place too is that
it had upstairs and there was a lot of activity
upstairs at that place.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Well it sounds like sounds like Plasterville is just as
busy in the afterlife as it is currently.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
So, I mean, I got these weird things with my
ability is not realizing that I was in pathic really
until I got to Plasterville. I remember, I would be
seeing things like if I had an investigation skill somewhere
I would see the ghost from that particular investigation the
night before always.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
So I'm having lunch. I was supposed to go to
I don't know, one of the buildings on Main Street.
I'm having lunch one day and I see this man
walk from one wall and go through another right in
front of me.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Oh geez. Yeah, well that would be alarming and.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Things like that. Just you know, there was a build
up to this investigation, just like Anna from from the Boys'
school up there in I Owe.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Oh yeah, I did do an episode on that as well.
Preston Castle.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I went in at the bat in the bathroom at
my work.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Oh geez, so they're coming around.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I felt like I was being washed over my shoulder.
There was this kind of white haired woman sitting there
in one of those old timey smocks and it was
Anna Corbin.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Oh jeez.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
So, I mean, you know this stuff goes on. But yeah,
I mean I highly recommend de mean, if you if
you're out and about with your family or whatever, the
Cailly House for the most part is safe to take
your family and as far as entities, because they really harm.
I mean, there are a couple there's always batties. You know,
you always gonna run into that, but the majority of
it is that you know, it's just a lost souls there.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, okay, well tell us what you're doing so you
can kind of shout it out to the audience. So
you are obviously you have your team. I know you
have a podcast. How can people find you?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
They can front me everywhere. I'm on Facebook, true California Hats.
We also have a California Hots radio site there Shakra
Minto sears s e E r S. And I'm over
on Instagram as you know, as goes to Gael. I'm
on TikTok as California Hats. I have California Hats on
Twitter and kel hots on all the other one. I
can do it now. But yeah, there's so many of them.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
There's so many. Yeah, you're You're easy to track down.
So it was really nice to catch up with you,
and I do really appreciate you taking the time. And
so I'll be out there soon next month, out there
for Christmas and everything. So I'm just gonna go up
to the carry house and be like, excuse me, let
me in.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
That would be cool. They were cool.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
In the mid eighteen hundreds. Gold Rush towns like Hangtown
represented both opportunity and ruin. The promise of glittering ore
and the chance to strike it rich drew prospectors from
all over the world, but these frontier towns were also
hubs of injustice, disease, and violence. Today, the community now
known as Plastovil, remembers its history. That's clear in everything
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from the nineteenth century style buildings that line Main Street,
to the historic decor of the rooms at the carry
House hotel, to the long dead specters that never left.
I'm Amy Berney and this was Haunted Road. Are you
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tired of the same old vacation destinations and cookie cutter experiences?
Do you crave a sense of mystery, wonder and adventure
that can't be found in ordinary travel brochures. Do you
listen to this podcast and think I'd like to visit
that spooky place? Well that's why I started Strange Escapes,
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hair normal based travel company that takes you to some
of the most haunted locations in the world. Frankly, it's
my excuse to combine all of my favorite things, which
is ghosts, beautiful hotels, food and wine, and other weirdos
like me to be honest. If that sounds right up
your alley and you want to learn more, then visit
Strange Escapes dot travel and hopefully you can join us sometime.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Also.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
To keep up on all of my upcoming projects and appearances,
head to Amy Brune dot com. I have some really
great things in the works and I don't want you
to miss it.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Haunted Roadies. Haunted Road is hosted and written by me
Amy Brune, with additional research by Cassandra de Alba. This
show is edited and produced by rema Elkali, with supervising
producer Josh Thain and executive producers Aaron Menke, Alex Williams,
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and Matt Frederick. Haunted Road is a production of iHeartRadio
and Grim and Mild from Aaronmankey. Learn more about this
show over at Grimanmild dot com, and for more podcasts
from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever
you listen to your favorite shows.
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