February 17, 2025 • 37 mins
Ros & Eric are joined by husband & wife Dan Levy Dagerman and Selina Ringel to talk about their new film You, Me & Her, OUT NOW! This award winning film is directed and written by this power couple, and also stars Selina. The story is a comedy-drama about a suburban married couple who are entertaining the desires of a three - way. Needless to say the conversation leads these 2 couples down several paths that will keep you wanting to know what is coming next.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is he said, ayadjo with Eric Winter and Rodlin fantab.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah, menidos, he said, a ja vejo. I am so
happy about this episode, Eric Winter. We have good friends
Selena Rinhill and her amazing talented husband, Dan Levi Dagerman.
You know, they are the owners of Two Hands Productions,
and they have a film it's out right now.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
And let me tell you something.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
He has won a bunch of awards and has one
hundred percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes. That is unbelievable. I
am such a big fan of Selena. Guys, she is
a Mexican. She moved here to the States married to
a green girl. Their company ours is two for the
Road is two Hands. We have a lot of similarities.
(00:52):
She is a trailblazer. This girl is next level, incredibly smart,
and they are a couple.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
They director, yeah, they're both.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
They direct, they produce, they write, they edit, they do
it all. And the movies are so well done and
so fantastic. And the one that is out now, we're
going to be talking about it. You want to talk you.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Me and her?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
You me.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I can't wait to discuss it.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
They have an amazing story about how this film came about,
let's let's just bring them and let's start talking with them.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Oh it's like deja vu? Oh my god, Shall we
tell people what happened?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I almost feel like we should share this story. It's
just kind of a funny. Not funny, guys.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I know, we had Selena and then come over to
here to the podcast from We were so excited we
were gonna have somebody in person. It was the studio
in studio, we talked for like an hour. We had
such a laugh, We covered everything. It was one of
my favorite favorite episodes ever. Then I get a text
from our producers saying there.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Is a problem.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
There's a and I'm going I don't care, then fix
it and they're like no, we're trying to do everything.
And they're like, no, I don't think you understand it.
We have done everything. It doesn't work. I'm going to
I don't think you understand me.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Her whole day was ruined.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
It was like it was like calling somebody about a
breakup and you're just hoping the breakup's gonna go like smooth.
And I said, well, it's not gonna get any better.
You just gotta let them know. So we have to
redo this can magically appear that we have audio and
then all this, Oh.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
My god, guys. I was so embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And I was texting with Selena back and forth because
they were flying going to a screening that I did
from my movie, and there their flight got delayed and
we're going back and forth and everything is wonderful, and
she's asking me when is the episode gonna come out?
And I'm going I'm about to answer, I get the TEGs.
My heart dropped. I was like, I'm gonna cry. So
I'm telling Eric, Eric, the episode doesn't work. There's a
(02:40):
problem with the sound, and he's I didn't tell her.
I'm going, no, you tell her that.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I'm telling the pros, well, listen, cham welcome back again.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
We we really.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And I just want to say to you, it's so
funny because that dynamic that you just described is me
and Dan all the time. Fix it. I'm gonna person
and they're gonna sure it out and it doesn't work
like that.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I was so fun with the producers, going this is embarrassing,
and they're like, Russ, it happens all the time. I'm
sure they're gonna understand now, and I don't understand it.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Was like the worst breakup phone call. I mean, it
wasn't a breakup, obviously.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It was together and you were so grateful. So I
ended up saying, Selena, I have a problem. So I
told her, and you were so fantastic saying, you know what,
it's okay, We'll do it again.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I understand and we'll create. Thank you for that. Thank
you for that, because if you listening to uh It's
it's so great.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
We got our press box for you, me and her
in the mail, which was so incredible. I just posted
about the you know, the trailer for this movie that
we both love. We we saw at the premiere, which
was a festival premiere.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
First off, I just want you guys to dive right.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
In to the origin story of this movie because to me,
it is one of the most fascinating origin stories and
I think one of the main reasons everybody should see
this movie because it's based on real events.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, thank you us about that.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So well. Me and Dan went on a trip to Vegas.
It was one of the first trips that we had
taken without our son after we had had a kid.
And we were at this club in Las Vegas and
this woman who was very beautiful, started hitting on me,
which is something that had never really happened to me
because I hadn't really been hit on by a woman.
(04:31):
But what I realized was that I found myself attracted
to her, and I found myself very curious about her,
and so she really wanted to kiss me. So I
asked Stan. I was like, I kind of want to
kiss her too, like is that okay? And he was like, uh, yeah,
that's okay, and.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
I was like okay, well, don't hesitate or anything. So anyway,
we shared this like very beautiful kiss and then this
woman was like, you know, well I would really love
to see you later.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Can I get your phone number? And I was like, oh, okay,
I don't know. So then I asked it.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
I was like, hey, give her my phone number, like
she kind of wants to see me later, and he
was like, yeah, give her your phone number. I was
like okay, So I gave her my phone number and
then we spent like the next forty eight hours in
Vegas just talking about like what was allowed, what wasn't,
what would make me feel safe, what would make him feel.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Safe, Like what are safe? Woard would be like all
these different things and we were laughing so much. We
were feeling so connected over this, like and sure that
we could maybe go on. And this bitch never texted me.
I was ghosted, which made me feel like I was
in high school again. It's been a minute since I'm
(05:47):
ghosted by someone because I've been married for ten years anyway,
so I uh. But by the time we were leaving Vegas,
we were actually already outlining the script because we were like, Wow,
that up like a lot of stuff for us, and
we feel like it's so interesting and there's so many
dynamics to kind of explore in what this means and
(06:09):
what it brings up and and what it is to
be in a long term committed marriage and keep a
spark and all these other things.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
I want to back up for one second, Dan, what
was going through your mind? Was it like, let me
just make sure my wife is happy or that, and
what's in it for me?
Speaker 8 (06:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Well that behind with you know, there's a male fantasy
and that maybe I share a little bit of, so
you know, there was there there. There are those two
things going on. And what's so interesting is when this
print was presented to us and Selena was interested, there's
almost like this relationship loophole if you're both on board.
So there. So it's this fantasy, it's this fantasy dynamic
(06:48):
that was at play, and it was really interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Well, and the other thing I will say about Dan,
I'm gonna give him credit here, is that if he
had been pushy at all, like even like one inch,
if he had been like, dude, I would do it.
I don't want to do it anymore, back off. But
because he was so good at like walking the line
of like, honey, whatever you need, well, whatever you feel, well,
(07:12):
what would feel good to you? And I was like,
oh fun, no good to me.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
You know, well played, well played. Flipped the table here.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
What if the woman had approached Dan and said, hey,
I'm into you, babe.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Are you cool with the three of us?
Speaker 8 (07:29):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Come on, come on? Oh my so I mean, let
me ask Eric.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
So Eric, we are at a club and this beautiful
woman comes over and says like, oh my god, you're
so pretty, and I'm going, oh my god, thank you.
And she's like I really want to kiss you. And
I look at you and I go, Eric, what do
I do?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
And we kiss? And then she said they didn't kiss.
They didn't kiss yes, they did, Yes they did. Oh
you did? You did? Kiss?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So they kissed, and then she asked for my number,
and she goes, what, I want to see you later.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I don't care. Your husband can come.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
And I go to you and I say, Eric, this
really hot chick wants to hang out with us, but
she likes me first.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Here's what I know.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
In this fantasy world, I would have grabbed the popcorn
out the gate, because I don't see a world in
which this one would have engaged in the kiss. It
would have been so fun to watch how awkward she
would have been in that situation.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
I imagine Selena, you probably played it with a bit.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
More swag and cool.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
I think, I don't know, you would have had panic
on your face of what's happening right now?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
What is this woman doing?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Eric?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Oh my god, get me. I don't know what to do.
It would have been a totally I just more shocked.
I think if you were fully in I don't know,
but you think you would have been fully I have
no idea.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I've never been in that situation. I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I'm actually maybe she's gorgeous. You know what's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
One of our listeners is going to have heard this
and they we're gonna be out somewhere and some chick's
gonna make a move on her, and.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
We're gonna find out. Maybe that will be your sequel,
that you me her sequel.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Anyway, So you guys, okay, so the girl, that's funny.
So the girl ghosted you guys, you're flying. You're already
thinking about, oh my god, this is a movie. You
start writing right, and I want everybody to know Selena
stars she You guys co wrote it together.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
So yes, we we kind of do. I wrote it,
but we outlined together. He goes through everything I write,
he adds his own.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
We're very like a team exactly. And this couple guys,
so they shoot it.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
They go to Mexico, they shoot this beautiful movie and
then he directed it, and then you edit the movie
as well.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Correct that.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Well, we had editors.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Yeah, I did a first crazy cut past like that
was done ten days after production.
Speaker 8 (09:56):
That got us in a huge fight.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Mainly it's well, i'll tell you why. I'll tell you why.
So he's we're cutting the movie because he's trying to
understand what the movie's like. Because we first we shot
in La and then we were shooting in Mexico. So
what he was trying to do was understand what did
we get in La, so that he knows what he wants.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
To like matching the look.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Okay, but here's what he did. Here's what he did.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
That was so much more from the male perspective, and
so then it was like all these introspective moments with
like the male and like how hard it is for him,
and I'm like, wait a minute, I love and this
movie is like it is a dual protagonist movie. I
will say that we wanted that, but it's like a
(10:43):
little more female skewed and.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
If you hold on a shot just like a little longer,
that changes everything.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Of course, yeah, we've seen this, and you guys did
a beautiful job of telling the story because it's it's
so funny and interesting and complex all at the same time.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Because it's true like.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
If you were ever in that situation, we just imagined
it talking about it, but it would not be the
same way for everybody being in this situation, for sure.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
It's it's tricky and like with this cost already, if
it would have happened to Dan. It would have been
a completely different dynamic. It would have been a completely
different movie. Imagine happening to that. Okay, let's write about
that experience and about how a woman in a loving,
respectful relationship will freak out and say, absolutely enough.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Some girls hitting on me on the dance floor and
even started to lean in. This one would have had
like a hand in the back of the head where
then probably to me, probably to hit me.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I said, I didn't do anything on meose.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Because she's very disrespectful. Listen, I'll never forget that. We're
at a and I'm listening. I'm not like the jealous type,
but like I, well am I not? Well, I'm not anyway,
So were I never forget where in the Atlanta and
we're with some friends healthy jealous, that's healthy jealous. So
we're at this restaurant, both are and I just don't
like disrespect.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
This is the problem with me.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
If a girl is looking at him because he's not myering,
oh my god, he's hot, he's a good looking guy
or whatever. But I acknowledge and knowledges me right. Like
we went to Disney and this woman came over. He
was at a ride. I was waiting outside. She came over,
Can I take a picture with yourself? Of course, I'm
not gonna love you so much. And then at the
end she goes and I love your husband too, And
I go, oh my god, he's having he's with the kids,
doing this right, But I didn't do it. Then like
(12:23):
an hour later, she wants a picture with him now
and she comes over to me and I said, oh
my god, do you mind I you know what I mean.
That's a classy lady. That was That's classic. So I
was like, oh, of course I'll take the picture myself.
What I don't like is the disrespect that they just
act like, you know, you're not even there, and they're
being flirt flirty and trying it on and completely dismissed
(12:45):
that they dismiss you.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I can't start.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I have a big issue with this year all the time.
But it doesn't by the way, with the guy girls,
it doesn't don't be.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Taggy, don't be tagging.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Wait at a restaurant and this girl there's there's two
girls having dinner. It's a bunch of us, right, and
and I see the girl looking at him and just
but like just nasty, right, like she was just being disrespectful.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
He doesn't even know what's happening.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And the girl keeps looking and I'm looking right at her,
and she just like, I'm not there, and I'm going
I'm gonna see how long this is gonna play out?
So nobody I don't say anything, nobody knows anything. And
then there's for a moment, I look at her right
and I go.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
What did I say? I said, you got a problem?
You have problem? What are you looking at?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Everybody like the entire table because they did.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
They didn't know that this whole thing was played out right.
All our friends are like, oh my god, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I said, no, I wanted to say something, you know,
And the girl got so uncomfortable and freaked out.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Everybody in the restaurant got company. What we probably give you,
guys a great sequel to this movie. And he's like, Ross,
what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
And I'm going, I don't like disrespects. If see what
If she finds you cute, it's fine, I would love it.
If she goes, no, your husband is hot, I'll be like, yeah,
he is, you know, I just don't like it.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I don't like if a guy disrespects me. She's like, Babe, babe,
don't ever react, don't ever react.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
It's okay. I mean, it's fine, I got this.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Don't worry all right.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Back to the movie. We're trying to work on your sequel. Yes,
I love it, so the movie.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
What I want to also talk about is, because I
think we get asked this a lot. How do you
get in this business? How do you start something? How
do you become a writer, how do you become an actor?
How do you become a director? I mean, there's so
many things people don't understand what it takes to make
a movie, to put something together.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Share a bit.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I mean, you both come from an extensive background with
studying film and studying all that, and you guys met together,
I know.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
In school.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
So even with all the talents and all the knowledge,
it's still not easy. There's no there's no linear path
to success. Tell us a little bit the journey for
this movie.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Yeah, I'm gonna let's sland that ticket because I have
to grab something important.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So yeah, no, I would say, I mean, I think
so much of what it takes or what it's taken
for us is just really be thinking outside the box.
Because I think it's almost like, strangely, not enough to
have a good story. It's not enough to be a
good actor, it's not enough to be a good writer.
It's like that's how it's felt for me. That doesn't
mean that there isn't another journey for someone else, but
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I think that so much of what it's taken for
us is to like really really think outside the box
and be like, how do we find our audience, how
do we do things that are innovative, how do we
become like a marketing machine besides making the movie, Like,
we partnered with this new platform called attend, and our
(15:49):
movie is going to come to two hundred and fifty
theaters nationwide. Wow, which is enormous.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, which is huge.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
People don't understand that's huge for an independent movie just
coming out.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, and our move to our movie was done for
a little under a million dollars. Okay, we usually would
be in theaters is between twenty and one hundred million.
That's like what you're watching in theaters so and eighty
to ninety percent of everything you see in theaters is
owned by the studios. So for an independent film to
really get a shot at a theatrical is like slim
(16:20):
to none. You usually have to four wall, you go
to LA and New York, you last one week, you die.
So this is like enormous, But what it took to
get here was also enormous because it was like, first
of all, Dan messaged the ex president of the National
Association of Theater Owners on LinkedIn okaysage message, whole message
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and basically saw that he was building something. So it
took a Dan being informed that he was building something
b him sending that message, which I think a lot
of people would be like why would I send this message.
I'm not going to get a response, you know. Then
it took a lot of follow up. So like first
we had a call with them. They were like, oh
my god, you guys are so fun and enthusiastic. Keep
(17:08):
us posting. And we were like, okay, I'll keep you out.
And then we followed up again, and then we followed
up again, and then and then we finally they were like,
you know, we really if we don't really like watching
movies and links, we need to see movies in theaters.
So we rented out a theater. We were like, you
(17:30):
tell us the day and the time, we'll rent out
the theater, we will be there. So then we show
it to them in theaters and they go, wow, we're
really surprised. This is like a very thoughtful, good film.
They're like, all right, well, stay in touch. Anyway, this
was literally like a six month process, and it all
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came down to like this one lunch. We just kept
following up and following up. But we had other deals
on the table, but they weren't good deals.
Speaker 8 (17:59):
And we really.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Believe that this movie deserved more, and we had put
so much of ourselves into it. It was so personal
and we cared so much about what we're trying to
say because it's not just about a threesome. It's about
the dynamics of a long term, committed relationship. It's about
how we stop seeing each other, how we start taking
each other for granted, about how sometimes we're not curious
(18:21):
about the other person and therefore we don't know how
they're growing or how they're changing, and that disconnect is
the end of a marriage. And so we really wanted
to talk about all of that. Anyway, long story short,
we go to this lunch. This is my proudest moment
of my life. So we're at this lunch and they're
basically talking about how they're raising money to do this thing,
(18:42):
and they're starting their beta phase in like the next year,
where they're going to choose fifteen movies to kind of
launch this platform with. But they already have their chech partners,
they already know what they're building. They're already really excited
about this whole thing. And I go, well, what if
you had an alpha test? And they're like okay, Like
well what do you mean? And I'm like, well, what
(19:02):
if you actually used a movie like that actually helps
you build the tools that you're doing for the platform,
So it's like you're getting information as you're doing it
with an alpha And they were like, Okay, well I
guess that's an interesting idea. And I was like, well
I think it should be with our movie. Wow, And
they were like real ballsy I am. Anyway, they were
(19:24):
like so they go, well, if we're gonna do an
alpha test, why would we do it with you guys? Like,
you know, no offense, You guys have a great movie.
But like we're talking to like really famous people, like
we have all these relationships, like we're you know, I
just don't know why we would choose you guys as
the first thing we put out and we were like,
I was like, you know, everything you're saying is that
(19:45):
the audience wants more independent films. If you choose someone
like Scarlett Johansson or whoever, right, some famous filmmaker, people
are always going to come back and go, well, yeah,
it worked because of Scarlett Johansson, right, people showed up
for her. But if you choose us and we're nobody,
which we will be, we will be big deals very soon.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yes, yes you will.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
If you choose us then and it works, then you're
proving your point, which is that a good independent film
can actually find its audience. And you're also never going
to meet two people who are going to work harder
to make this. And they literally looked at me, and
they literally looked at me like in that table, like
(20:25):
in the lunch they looked at each other and then
looked at me and went, Okay, oh my.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
God, amazing, Oh my god, Selena is so inspiring to
hear that isn't because we're have a production company as
well as you know, I'm directing now, I have aspiration,
so continue directing and stories like that. What you guys
are living at the moment is that you walk in
testaments of the way it should be done. You know,
(20:53):
It's it's a longer journey. It's it's more. It takes
a lot of thinking outside the box. It's a lot
of betting on yourself and what you can bring to
the table. And when when when your vision is so
crystal clear and you sit down with people that are clear,
that a position of power. But when listen, when you
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taste that honey, and when you go into those meetings
and you have that twinkle in your eye and that
desire that they I'm sure they haven't seen for a
long time, you know what I mean, A young couple
putting things together, talking the talk, walking the walk, you know,
and and it's probably incredibly refreshing to them. It's amusing,
you know, but it's refreshing. And and it took that
(21:37):
that energy you know, magnetic.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
That's how I see you. I see you.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
You're so magnetic in terms of the way you sell things,
the way you speak, and just knowing that it's a
couple doing it together that went to school with a
common goal. It's incredible. It's incredible to hear you, guys speak.
It's incredible to hear you, guys, and tell the story,
because it's like it is going to be such a
(22:01):
it's like a playbook for all the younger ones.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
You know that I'm behind us saying it's possible.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Exactly what I say, let's talk about the playbook that
I was going to just say that. It's a great
segue into it, because again going back to what a
lot of our listeners ask for is help.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
How do we get how do we succeed?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
How do we you know, chalk, you strike out the
first goal and get to the next goal, and you
have a little bit of a playbook there you've written.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Talk to us about that.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, so this is the book is called Be the Train,
The mindset and Tools you need to make your first
feature film. But I really think that it's actually a
book about any creative field. And I think so much
of what I focus on is kind of like the
mindset you need to empower yourself to keep pushing forward.
I think there's so much we've been told about, like
(22:47):
waiting for the train, waiting for the opportunity, waiting to
get discovered. If you just go to class and you
work on your thing, someone's going to come and they're
going to see you and then it's all going to happen.
And that has just not been my experience. And I
am so happy for the people who get to live
through that route, but mine has been much tougher, and
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I've had to fight every step of the way, and
I have had to write my own roles, and we
have had to make our own movies, and we have
had to figure out our own marketing campaign.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
I mean we literally our.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Own We've had to figure out We've had to get
our own investors, like we've had to make ceratives. It's
like you have to be almost like a business person.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
It is a business, like you guys are the brand.
You're building your own business.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, I literally, I mean I have a whole chapter
here on cold emails because I have gotten so much
through cold emails, just like really thoughtful, strategic researched cold emails.
We got twenty brand partners for the marketing campaign of
this movie, Like once the movie was finished, none of
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these brands are in the movie, And we got twenty
brands to come on in the aftermath to help us.
And literally I did the math and I got around
one hundred thousand dollars worth of in kind from these
twenty brands, which is insane.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
That's insane. I'm gonna get into your minds for a second.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
How do you deal?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And I'm sure you talk about it in the book
which I'm about to start reading. And Male Robbins, I
want to say, these guys and everybody that loves emotional intelligence,
you know, and and self talk. And she's one of
the best motivational speakers.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It's a brilliant mind.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
And she read the book and she has a commos
quote quote unquote, which is a really an incredible accomplishment
that you have somebody at that caliber. You know, that
is so smart, you know, saying guys, you need you
need to read this. You know it's very valuable, it's great.
But how do you guys approach because as creative people,
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you know, we put together all these ideas, you know
TV shows, you know we have this and we have
You've seen my stuff, I've seen your stuff, Selena.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Rather you'll get you let me look at your deck.
Oh my god. And to us, the.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Creator is undeniable, right you read it, You're behind it,
you see it.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
It's like everybody's gonna get it.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
This is a no brainer, and then it's time for
you to hit the market and then you go and
you start pitching. Yeah, And because it's so subjective, you know,
what you think is brilliant, somebody else might go, I
didn't get it. And it happens every single day to
people that are trying to create content like us, and
(25:40):
it is very deflating, you know, when you go into
a room and you have something that you have worked
so hard and put so much airport and thought into
it and they read it and they just, oh, we
just didn't respond or we don't think it's our mandate,
or we have heard this so many times before, you know,
and it's the constant no that is so easy for
(26:01):
them for them to say, and it's crushing because you
leave that room or you hang up that phone going
am I wrong?
Speaker 8 (26:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
You know, like I thought this was a slam dunk.
Is like I think it's timely, I think is smart.
I think is what people want to consume.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
And then you have.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Somebody saying no, no, thank you. How do you guys?
It's crushing. How do you guys deal with that? And
just go Okay, let's go back to the drawing board next,
let's move on.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I think one thing we do is we have a
really diverse slate of a lot of different projects. So
instead of having all our eggs in one basket, we
look at it as like a chessboard. So we're moving
things as far as we can with the different ones,
and then we also have our personal project where we're
just the train, and those are the ones we've succeeded
at the most so far. We've got our slates, so
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shout out our.
Speaker 8 (26:53):
Slate of amazing projects.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
But you know, we're pitching those and then we're figuring
out what we're going to make next, proactively doing that well.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
And I think also, so I think, yes, that's all true,
And I think that like obviously our independent ones have
been smaller budget than some of our other ones. Right,
it's harder to get more money, so like so, but
when you have something that requires less money, kind of
easier to just at least keep it moving while you're
trying to get the bigger stuff going.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
One thing Selena talks about in her book a Lot
is working with what's around you. Because if you're working
with what's around you, you inherently have built in production design,
you have you know, locations, you can work with your
friends and it all feels very organic to the story
and process.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
So that's a great way to get started.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
And then also Roslyn like we get super sad sometimes
not like there's no denying, Like it is tough. It
is tough out there, and you put your heart out.
I mean, we just did a video right now, by
the way with the skin Deep, this very very intent
you're gonna watch it. You're gonna text me and be like,
are you guys okay? But which in a very very
(28:02):
vulnerable conversation about the inner dynamics of our marriage that
are tough, and they're things that I think are really
important to speak about, and things that are also spoken
about in the movie. And we put our like heart
like just on the line, you know, and this guy
comments divorce in three years, Oh my.
Speaker 9 (28:20):
God, And that's just the world. Like anyway, the point
is like there's you know, there is a reality of
just like the more vulnerable you are, the more haters
you're gonna get because people are very uncomfortable with the
fact that you're being vulnerable. People get very uncomfortable with honesty.
(28:41):
People get very uncomfortable with like how come.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
You feel comfortable saying your truth when I don't feel
comfortable even telling my mother about this thing I did
last week, you know what I'm saying. So there's a
lot of that, and there's gonna be friction, and I
think that's really tough, and I think it's really tough
to get knows and I think it's really valid to
be like today, I'm just gonna feel bad, Like I'm
just gonna feel bad today and then tomorrow I'm gonna
wake up and figure out what I do about it
(29:05):
to keep moving forward.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
But yeah, it's that's every aspect of being a creative.
I don't care if you're on the acting side, directing, writing,
when you're putting something out there that's so subjective, right,
like anybody could love it, anybody could hate it. There's
no rhyme or reason why somebody wins an Oscar and
somebody doesn't, or somebody gets nominated, and there's hundreds of
others that deserve to be nominated.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
It's all opinion based.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
And that's one of the most difficult things that I
even tell Like my daughter who had times she's like
I think I want to go into your business. I'm like, no,
you don't, please you don't want to go into our
business is that if you can in any anything, it's hard.
Being a professional athlete is hard. Being a CEO of
a company is hard. But if you work hard, there's
often a result that will prove your work right.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Being a creative, I don't care how would you work.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
I don't care how many hours you put in, with
the time, the effort, I don't care if you're sweating.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I don't give me what you've done.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
There's no guaranteed proof of your work because somebody else
could say I don't like it. It's not for me,
And it's something that we all have to accept. That's
part of being in this business. But I think what's important,
like in going back to your book, is you got
to just keep the train moving.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
You got to jump on.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
You got to believe in your business, whatever it is,
whether it's just an actor, whether it's a full production company,
whether it's a writer or.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Whatever, it's your business.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
And I like something you spoke about even before, which
is people need to believe your business is real and
it's moving no matter what it's like. We're making this
so you're welcome to come in and jump on the
train and be involved. And if it's not for you,
it's not for you. But we're making this happen. And
I think that's so important in honestly, in all aspects
of business in general, not just ours. It's just you
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have to show people I'm all in. This is going
to happen with or without you. So it's up to
you if you want to miss.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I'm going to tell you something.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
The title of your book has affected me so deeply,
Selena and people that have followed.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
My career. I've been going at this for almost thirty years.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
It's been pretty consistent, you know, I have worked consistently
for so long.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
But it doesn't mean that that is it's.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Been easy easy, you know. I am, I am, I
look the way I look. I have an accent. So
it's been up and down and and people often see
me and they go, you inspire me, Oh my god,
how do you do it? And and it's crazy you
know that you're still going at it and successfully, and I.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Go, it's it's a trip. It's a trip.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And since you showed me your book, because we've been
talking about it for a bit, right, and I have
the word train. I'm not kidding you what I'm telling
you that I visualize myself as a literal train. Oh,
I show to you and I just go, I'm a train,
you know, like I swaw to you and I just
I'm a train. Either you jump in or you don't.
(31:55):
It's that simple. And I'm in the middle. And I
know you guys relate because you know, I directed my
movie and I'm now in the process of getting distribution,
which is brutal, you know. And I'm trying to do
all these things to think outside the box. And how
am I going to do in music videos with the
leading ladies, And I'm doing all this stuff that usually
people don't do is called it costs a lot of effort, time, money,
you know, because I'm betting on me. Yeah, it's a
(32:17):
lot of people doubting is it necessary? Is it necessary?
And I said, listen, I don't know what I'm doing,
but I do know what I'm doing. Yeah, And I'm
a train. I'm a train, you know, And I'm not
going to stop. Either you jump or you don't. And
and the way that that my cast views me and
they're like, oh my god, you're crazy, but let's do it. Yeah,
(32:38):
Oh my god, you inspire you inspire me. You're out
of your mind.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
What do we have to do. I'm gonna use sing.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
This is gonna have a girl right now recording a
song and she's like, well, I don't even sing, oh
you sing, Just go and do it.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I'm gonna make you sing. So so thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Thank you for that, because I swear to you, I
I literally I have become a train.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well, thank you. That literally made me cry. And I'm
having kind of like an anxious day today because our
movie is out.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, the movie's out. It's a huge accomplishment, two hundred
and fifty theaters, I'm assuming guys. So after you do
the theatrical play, then is you the goal is is
going to go to a streamer?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yes, so we're in conversation with streaming platforms right now.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Perfect.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
So that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
But I want to say you are a huge inspiration,
and you are a train, and you've always been a
train and I've known you. That's something I've always felt
about you. And just so you know, one of the
chapters in my book is actually called Surround Yourself with
Other Trains, because I think it's so important when you
are the train. And now I'm getting really emotional, but
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it's actually really hard because most people are going to
think you're crazy. That's what it feels like to be
a trained So you have to be surrounded by other trains.
You have to be surrounded by other trains who understand
what it takes to put yourself out there constantly, even
when things get hard, to keep pushing forward, to keep
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doing things, even if we don't know what we're doing.
We obviously don't always know what we're doing. It's like
being creative is insane. It's like an insane process, but
it's also so exciting and it brings so much joy
to be in that process of figuring it out and
figuring out who your audience is and what works and
(34:27):
what doesn't work, and you're learning and growing. And I
think that that's so valuable in life. And I think
that when you surround yourself with other people like that,
you level each other up, you inspire each other correct.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
It's like when you get to do scenes with people
that are really really great actors, it elevates you. Yeah,
that's why you have like average actors doing surprising everybody
with fantastic work. And what you have to look is
who's around them, who's acting with them. It elevates you,
you know, and that's what we have to aim in life.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
This is amazing.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I love I love you guys, and I wish you
incredible success and very important people that love independent filmmaking,
that appreciate the work that it takes to do to
be an independent filmmaker. Go support you know, check your
your listenings, check what the movie is playing. It's it's nationwide, right,
two hundred and fifteen nationwide, So I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
There's a theater.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
I'm telling you people, please trust us on this one.
We've seen it. Jump on this train, you me and
her in theaters now, you don't want to miss it.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
And you know what's cool about it when you leave
a theater and there's conversation, because it's gonna make you
think a lot, especially marry couples or just couples that
they go in and they're going to leave the theater now,
go to dinner, go have a drink and talk about
what you just saw and what would be your reaction
if it happened to you.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, thank you guys so much, love, thank you so
much for having us and for making the time to
do take you.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
It was such a good episode, but this one is
a great episode.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Took bye bye, Well.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
That was still a great, great to redo episode. Yes, yes,
awesome couple, just powerhouses and and you know again we
get asked a lot, so this is a perfect episode
to help answer those questions about being in this business.
How do you do it? How do you go about it?
And it's really just be your own train and believe
in yourself and do whatever it takes, you know, send
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those cold emails, reach out to whoever can help.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Just try.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
You gotta try, try and try again. And they're a
great example of that, so wish them all the success.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yes, all right, love you, thanks for listening. Don't forget
to write us a review and tell us what you think.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
If you want to follow us on Instagram, check us
out at he said, is that email Eric and Ross
at iHeartRadio dot com. He said, is part of iHeart
Radio's Mike Will Do That podcast network.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
See you next time.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Bye,
This is he said, ayadjo with Eric Winter and Rodlin fantab.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah, menidos, he said, a ja vejo. I am so
happy about this episode, Eric Winter. We have good friends
Selena Rinhill and her amazing talented husband, Dan Levi Dagerman.
You know, they are the owners of Two Hands Productions,
and they have a film it's out right now.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
And let me tell you something.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
He has won a bunch of awards and has one
hundred percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes. That is unbelievable. I
am such a big fan of Selena. Guys, she is
a Mexican. She moved here to the States married to
a green girl. Their company ours is two for the
Road is two Hands. We have a lot of similarities.
(00:52):
She is a trailblazer. This girl is next level, incredibly smart,
and they are a couple.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
They director, yeah, they're both.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
They direct, they produce, they write, they edit, they do
it all. And the movies are so well done and
so fantastic. And the one that is out now, we're
going to be talking about it. You want to talk you.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Me and her?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
You me.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I can't wait to discuss it.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
They have an amazing story about how this film came about,
let's let's just bring them and let's start talking with them.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Oh it's like deja vu? Oh my god, Shall we
tell people what happened?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I almost feel like we should share this story. It's
just kind of a funny. Not funny, guys.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I know, we had Selena and then come over to
here to the podcast from We were so excited we
were gonna have somebody in person. It was the studio
in studio, we talked for like an hour. We had
such a laugh, We covered everything. It was one of
my favorite favorite episodes ever. Then I get a text
from our producers saying there.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Is a problem.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
There's a and I'm going I don't care, then fix
it and they're like no, we're trying to do everything.
And they're like, no, I don't think you understand it.
We have done everything. It doesn't work. I'm going to
I don't think you understand me.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Her whole day was ruined.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
It was like it was like calling somebody about a
breakup and you're just hoping the breakup's gonna go like smooth.
And I said, well, it's not gonna get any better.
You just gotta let them know. So we have to
redo this can magically appear that we have audio and
then all this, Oh.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
My god, guys. I was so embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And I was texting with Selena back and forth because
they were flying going to a screening that I did
from my movie, and there their flight got delayed and
we're going back and forth and everything is wonderful, and
she's asking me when is the episode gonna come out?
And I'm going I'm about to answer, I get the TEGs.
My heart dropped. I was like, I'm gonna cry. So
I'm telling Eric, Eric, the episode doesn't work. There's a
(02:40):
problem with the sound, and he's I didn't tell her.
I'm going, no, you tell her that.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I'm telling the pros, well, listen, cham welcome back again.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
We we really.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And I just want to say to you, it's so
funny because that dynamic that you just described is me
and Dan all the time. Fix it. I'm gonna person
and they're gonna sure it out and it doesn't work
like that.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I was so fun with the producers, going this is embarrassing,
and they're like, Russ, it happens all the time. I'm
sure they're gonna understand now, and I don't understand it.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Was like the worst breakup phone call. I mean, it
wasn't a breakup, obviously.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It was together and you were so grateful. So I
ended up saying, Selena, I have a problem. So I
told her, and you were so fantastic saying, you know what,
it's okay, We'll do it again.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I understand and we'll create. Thank you for that. Thank
you for that, because if you listening to uh It's
it's so great.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
We got our press box for you, me and her
in the mail, which was so incredible. I just posted
about the you know, the trailer for this movie that
we both love. We we saw at the premiere, which
was a festival premiere.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
First off, I just want you guys to dive right.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
In to the origin story of this movie because to me,
it is one of the most fascinating origin stories and
I think one of the main reasons everybody should see
this movie because it's based on real events.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, thank you us about that.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So well. Me and Dan went on a trip to Vegas.
It was one of the first trips that we had
taken without our son after we had had a kid.
And we were at this club in Las Vegas and
this woman who was very beautiful, started hitting on me,
which is something that had never really happened to me
because I hadn't really been hit on by a woman.
(04:31):
But what I realized was that I found myself attracted
to her, and I found myself very curious about her,
and so she really wanted to kiss me. So I
asked Stan. I was like, I kind of want to
kiss her too, like is that okay? And he was like, uh, yeah,
that's okay, and.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
I was like okay, well, don't hesitate or anything. So anyway,
we shared this like very beautiful kiss and then this
woman was like, you know, well I would really love
to see you later.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Can I get your phone number? And I was like, oh, okay,
I don't know. So then I asked it.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
I was like, hey, give her my phone number, like
she kind of wants to see me later, and he
was like, yeah, give her your phone number. I was
like okay, So I gave her my phone number and
then we spent like the next forty eight hours in
Vegas just talking about like what was allowed, what wasn't,
what would make me feel safe, what would make him feel.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Safe, Like what are safe? Woard would be like all
these different things and we were laughing so much. We
were feeling so connected over this, like and sure that
we could maybe go on. And this bitch never texted me.
I was ghosted, which made me feel like I was
in high school again. It's been a minute since I'm
(05:47):
ghosted by someone because I've been married for ten years anyway,
so I uh. But by the time we were leaving Vegas,
we were actually already outlining the script because we were like, Wow,
that up like a lot of stuff for us, and
we feel like it's so interesting and there's so many
dynamics to kind of explore in what this means and
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what it brings up and and what it is to
be in a long term committed marriage and keep a
spark and all these other things.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
I want to back up for one second, Dan, what
was going through your mind? Was it like, let me
just make sure my wife is happy or that, and
what's in it for me?
Speaker 8 (06:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Well that behind with you know, there's a male fantasy
and that maybe I share a little bit of, so
you know, there was there there. There are those two
things going on. And what's so interesting is when this
print was presented to us and Selena was interested, there's
almost like this relationship loophole if you're both on board.
So there. So it's this fantasy, it's this fantasy dynamic
(06:48):
that was at play, and it was really interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Well, and the other thing I will say about Dan,
I'm gonna give him credit here, is that if he
had been pushy at all, like even like one inch,
if he had been like, dude, I would do it.
I don't want to do it anymore, back off. But
because he was so good at like walking the line
of like, honey, whatever you need, well, whatever you feel, well,
(07:12):
what would feel good to you? And I was like,
oh fun, no good to me.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
You know, well played, well played. Flipped the table here.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
What if the woman had approached Dan and said, hey,
I'm into you, babe.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Are you cool with the three of us?
Speaker 8 (07:29):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Come on, come on? Oh my so I mean, let
me ask Eric.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
So Eric, we are at a club and this beautiful
woman comes over and says like, oh my god, you're
so pretty, and I'm going, oh my god, thank you.
And she's like I really want to kiss you. And
I look at you and I go, Eric, what do
I do?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
And we kiss? And then she said they didn't kiss.
They didn't kiss yes, they did, Yes they did. Oh
you did? You did? Kiss?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So they kissed, and then she asked for my number,
and she goes, what, I want to see you later.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I don't care. Your husband can come.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
And I go to you and I say, Eric, this
really hot chick wants to hang out with us, but
she likes me first.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Here's what I know.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
In this fantasy world, I would have grabbed the popcorn
out the gate, because I don't see a world in
which this one would have engaged in the kiss. It
would have been so fun to watch how awkward she
would have been in that situation.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
I imagine Selena, you probably played it with a bit.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
More swag and cool.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
I think, I don't know, you would have had panic
on your face of what's happening right now?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
What is this woman doing?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Eric?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Oh my god, get me. I don't know what to do.
It would have been a totally I just more shocked.
I think if you were fully in I don't know,
but you think you would have been fully I have
no idea.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I've never been in that situation. I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I'm actually maybe she's gorgeous. You know what's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
One of our listeners is going to have heard this
and they we're gonna be out somewhere and some chick's
gonna make a move on her, and.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
We're gonna find out. Maybe that will be your sequel,
that you me her sequel.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Anyway, So you guys, okay, so the girl, that's funny.
So the girl ghosted you guys, you're flying. You're already
thinking about, oh my god, this is a movie. You
start writing right, and I want everybody to know Selena
stars she You guys co wrote it together.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
So yes, we we kind of do. I wrote it,
but we outlined together. He goes through everything I write,
he adds his own.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
We're very like a team exactly. And this couple guys,
so they shoot it.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
They go to Mexico, they shoot this beautiful movie and
then he directed it, and then you edit the movie
as well.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Correct that.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Well, we had editors.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Yeah, I did a first crazy cut past like that
was done ten days after production.
Speaker 8 (09:56):
That got us in a huge fight.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Mainly it's well, i'll tell you why. I'll tell you why.
So he's we're cutting the movie because he's trying to
understand what the movie's like. Because we first we shot
in La and then we were shooting in Mexico. So
what he was trying to do was understand what did
we get in La, so that he knows what he wants.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
To like matching the look.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Okay, but here's what he did. Here's what he did.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
That was so much more from the male perspective, and
so then it was like all these introspective moments with
like the male and like how hard it is for him,
and I'm like, wait a minute, I love and this
movie is like it is a dual protagonist movie. I
will say that we wanted that, but it's like a
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little more female skewed and.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
If you hold on a shot just like a little longer,
that changes everything.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Of course, yeah, we've seen this, and you guys did
a beautiful job of telling the story because it's it's
so funny and interesting and complex all at the same time.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Because it's true like.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
If you were ever in that situation, we just imagined
it talking about it, but it would not be the
same way for everybody being in this situation, for sure.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
It's it's tricky and like with this cost already, if
it would have happened to Dan. It would have been
a completely different dynamic. It would have been a completely
different movie. Imagine happening to that. Okay, let's write about
that experience and about how a woman in a loving,
respectful relationship will freak out and say, absolutely enough.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Some girls hitting on me on the dance floor and
even started to lean in. This one would have had
like a hand in the back of the head where
then probably to me, probably to hit me.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I said, I didn't do anything on meose.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Because she's very disrespectful. Listen, I'll never forget that. We're
at a and I'm listening. I'm not like the jealous type,
but like I, well am I not? Well, I'm not anyway,
So were I never forget where in the Atlanta and
we're with some friends healthy jealous, that's healthy jealous. So
we're at this restaurant, both are and I just don't
like disrespect.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
This is the problem with me.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
If a girl is looking at him because he's not myering,
oh my god, he's hot, he's a good looking guy
or whatever. But I acknowledge and knowledges me right. Like
we went to Disney and this woman came over. He
was at a ride. I was waiting outside. She came over,
Can I take a picture with yourself? Of course, I'm
not gonna love you so much. And then at the
end she goes and I love your husband too, And
I go, oh my god, he's having he's with the kids,
doing this right, But I didn't do it. Then like
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an hour later, she wants a picture with him now
and she comes over to me and I said, oh
my god, do you mind I you know what I mean.
That's a classy lady. That was That's classic. So I
was like, oh, of course I'll take the picture myself.
What I don't like is the disrespect that they just
act like, you know, you're not even there, and they're
being flirt flirty and trying it on and completely dismissed
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that they dismiss you.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I can't start.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I have a big issue with this year all the time.
But it doesn't by the way, with the guy girls,
it doesn't don't be.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Taggy, don't be tagging.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Wait at a restaurant and this girl there's there's two
girls having dinner. It's a bunch of us, right, and
and I see the girl looking at him and just
but like just nasty, right, like she was just being disrespectful.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
He doesn't even know what's happening.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And the girl keeps looking and I'm looking right at her,
and she just like, I'm not there, and I'm going
I'm gonna see how long this is gonna play out?
So nobody I don't say anything, nobody knows anything. And
then there's for a moment, I look at her right
and I go.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
What did I say? I said, you got a problem?
You have problem? What are you looking at?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Everybody like the entire table because they did.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
They didn't know that this whole thing was played out right.
All our friends are like, oh my god, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I said, no, I wanted to say something, you know,
And the girl got so uncomfortable and freaked out.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Everybody in the restaurant got company. What we probably give you,
guys a great sequel to this movie. And he's like, Ross,
what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
And I'm going, I don't like disrespects. If see what
If she finds you cute, it's fine, I would love it.
If she goes, no, your husband is hot, I'll be like, yeah,
he is, you know, I just don't like it.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I don't like if a guy disrespects me. She's like, Babe, babe,
don't ever react, don't ever react.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
It's okay. I mean, it's fine, I got this.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Don't worry all right.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Back to the movie. We're trying to work on your sequel. Yes,
I love it, so the movie.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
What I want to also talk about is, because I
think we get asked this a lot. How do you
get in this business? How do you start something? How
do you become a writer, how do you become an actor?
How do you become a director? I mean, there's so
many things people don't understand what it takes to make
a movie, to put something together.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Share a bit.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I mean, you both come from an extensive background with
studying film and studying all that, and you guys met together,
I know.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
In school.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
So even with all the talents and all the knowledge,
it's still not easy. There's no there's no linear path
to success. Tell us a little bit the journey for
this movie.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Yeah, I'm gonna let's sland that ticket because I have
to grab something important.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So yeah, no, I would say, I mean, I think
so much of what it takes or what it's taken
for us is just really be thinking outside the box.
Because I think it's almost like, strangely, not enough to
have a good story. It's not enough to be a
good actor, it's not enough to be a good writer.
It's like that's how it's felt for me. That doesn't
mean that there isn't another journey for someone else, but
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I think that so much of what it's taken for
us is to like really really think outside the box
and be like, how do we find our audience, how
do we do things that are innovative, how do we
become like a marketing machine besides making the movie, Like,
we partnered with this new platform called attend, and our
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movie is going to come to two hundred and fifty
theaters nationwide. Wow, which is enormous.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, which is huge.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
People don't understand that's huge for an independent movie just
coming out.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, and our move to our movie was done for
a little under a million dollars. Okay, we usually would
be in theaters is between twenty and one hundred million.
That's like what you're watching in theaters so and eighty
to ninety percent of everything you see in theaters is
owned by the studios. So for an independent film to
really get a shot at a theatrical is like slim
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to none. You usually have to four wall, you go
to LA and New York, you last one week, you die.
So this is like enormous, But what it took to
get here was also enormous because it was like, first
of all, Dan messaged the ex president of the National
Association of Theater Owners on LinkedIn okaysage message, whole message
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and basically saw that he was building something. So it
took a Dan being informed that he was building something
b him sending that message, which I think a lot
of people would be like why would I send this message.
I'm not going to get a response, you know. Then
it took a lot of follow up. So like first
we had a call with them. They were like, oh
my god, you guys are so fun and enthusiastic. Keep
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us posting. And we were like, okay, I'll keep you out.
And then we followed up again, and then we followed
up again, and then and then we finally they were like,
you know, we really if we don't really like watching
movies and links, we need to see movies in theaters.
So we rented out a theater. We were like, you
(17:30):
tell us the day and the time, we'll rent out
the theater, we will be there. So then we show
it to them in theaters and they go, wow, we're
really surprised. This is like a very thoughtful, good film.
They're like, all right, well, stay in touch. Anyway, this
was literally like a six month process, and it all
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came down to like this one lunch. We just kept
following up and following up. But we had other deals
on the table, but they weren't good deals.
Speaker 8 (17:59):
And we really.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Believe that this movie deserved more, and we had put
so much of ourselves into it. It was so personal
and we cared so much about what we're trying to
say because it's not just about a threesome. It's about
the dynamics of a long term, committed relationship. It's about
how we stop seeing each other, how we start taking
each other for granted, about how sometimes we're not curious
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about the other person and therefore we don't know how
they're growing or how they're changing, and that disconnect is
the end of a marriage. And so we really wanted
to talk about all of that. Anyway, long story short,
we go to this lunch. This is my proudest moment
of my life. So we're at this lunch and they're
basically talking about how they're raising money to do this thing,
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and they're starting their beta phase in like the next year,
where they're going to choose fifteen movies to kind of
launch this platform with. But they already have their chech partners,
they already know what they're building. They're already really excited
about this whole thing. And I go, well, what if
you had an alpha test? And they're like okay, Like
well what do you mean? And I'm like, well, what
(19:02):
if you actually used a movie like that actually helps
you build the tools that you're doing for the platform,
So it's like you're getting information as you're doing it
with an alpha And they were like, Okay, well I
guess that's an interesting idea. And I was like, well
I think it should be with our movie. Wow, And
they were like real ballsy I am. Anyway, they were
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like so they go, well, if we're gonna do an
alpha test, why would we do it with you guys? Like,
you know, no offense, You guys have a great movie.
But like we're talking to like really famous people, like
we have all these relationships, like we're you know, I
just don't know why we would choose you guys as
the first thing we put out and we were like,
I was like, you know, everything you're saying is that
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the audience wants more independent films. If you choose someone
like Scarlett Johansson or whoever, right, some famous filmmaker, people
are always going to come back and go, well, yeah,
it worked because of Scarlett Johansson, right, people showed up
for her. But if you choose us and we're nobody,
which we will be, we will be big deals very soon.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yes, yes you will.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
If you choose us then and it works, then you're
proving your point, which is that a good independent film
can actually find its audience. And you're also never going
to meet two people who are going to work harder
to make this. And they literally looked at me, and
they literally looked at me like in that table, like
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in the lunch they looked at each other and then
looked at me and went, Okay, oh my.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
God, amazing, Oh my god, Selena is so inspiring to
hear that isn't because we're have a production company as
well as you know, I'm directing now, I have aspiration,
so continue directing and stories like that. What you guys
are living at the moment is that you walk in
testaments of the way it should be done. You know,
(20:53):
It's it's a longer journey. It's it's more. It takes
a lot of thinking outside the box. It's a lot
of betting on yourself and what you can bring to
the table. And when when when your vision is so
crystal clear and you sit down with people that are clear,
that a position of power. But when listen, when you
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taste that honey, and when you go into those meetings
and you have that twinkle in your eye and that
desire that they I'm sure they haven't seen for a
long time, you know what I mean, A young couple
putting things together, talking the talk, walking the walk, you know,
and and it's probably incredibly refreshing to them. It's amusing,
you know, but it's refreshing. And and it took that
(21:37):
that energy you know, magnetic.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
That's how I see you. I see you.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
You're so magnetic in terms of the way you sell things,
the way you speak, and just knowing that it's a
couple doing it together that went to school with a
common goal. It's incredible. It's incredible to hear you, guys speak.
It's incredible to hear you, guys, and tell the story,
because it's like it is going to be such a
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it's like a playbook for all the younger ones.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
You know that I'm behind us saying it's possible.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Exactly what I say, let's talk about the playbook that
I was going to just say that. It's a great
segue into it, because again going back to what a
lot of our listeners ask for is help.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
How do we get how do we succeed?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
How do we you know, chalk, you strike out the
first goal and get to the next goal, and you
have a little bit of a playbook there you've written.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Talk to us about that.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, so this is the book is called Be the Train,
The mindset and Tools you need to make your first
feature film. But I really think that it's actually a
book about any creative field. And I think so much
of what I focus on is kind of like the
mindset you need to empower yourself to keep pushing forward.
I think there's so much we've been told about, like
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waiting for the train, waiting for the opportunity, waiting to
get discovered. If you just go to class and you
work on your thing, someone's going to come and they're
going to see you and then it's all going to happen.
And that has just not been my experience. And I
am so happy for the people who get to live
through that route, but mine has been much tougher, and
(23:09):
I've had to fight every step of the way, and
I have had to write my own roles, and we
have had to make our own movies, and we have
had to figure out our own marketing campaign.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
I mean we literally our.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Own We've had to figure out We've had to get
our own investors, like we've had to make ceratives. It's
like you have to be almost like a business person.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
It is a business, like you guys are the brand.
You're building your own business.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, I literally, I mean I have a whole chapter
here on cold emails because I have gotten so much
through cold emails, just like really thoughtful, strategic researched cold emails.
We got twenty brand partners for the marketing campaign of
this movie, Like once the movie was finished, none of
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these brands are in the movie, And we got twenty
brands to come on in the aftermath to help us.
And literally I did the math and I got around
one hundred thousand dollars worth of in kind from these
twenty brands, which is insane.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
That's insane. I'm gonna get into your minds for a second.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
How do you deal?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And I'm sure you talk about it in the book
which I'm about to start reading. And Male Robbins, I
want to say, these guys and everybody that loves emotional intelligence,
you know, and and self talk. And she's one of
the best motivational speakers.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It's a brilliant mind.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
And she read the book and she has a commos
quote quote unquote, which is a really an incredible accomplishment
that you have somebody at that caliber. You know, that
is so smart, you know, saying guys, you need you
need to read this. You know it's very valuable, it's great.
But how do you guys approach because as creative people,
(24:59):
you know, we put together all these ideas, you know
TV shows, you know we have this and we have
You've seen my stuff, I've seen your stuff, Selena.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Rather you'll get you let me look at your deck.
Oh my god. And to us, the.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Creator is undeniable, right you read it, You're behind it,
you see it.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
It's like everybody's gonna get it.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
This is a no brainer, and then it's time for
you to hit the market and then you go and
you start pitching. Yeah, And because it's so subjective, you know,
what you think is brilliant, somebody else might go, I
didn't get it. And it happens every single day to
people that are trying to create content like us, and
(25:40):
it is very deflating, you know, when you go into
a room and you have something that you have worked
so hard and put so much airport and thought into
it and they read it and they just, oh, we
just didn't respond or we don't think it's our mandate,
or we have heard this so many times before, you know,
and it's the constant no that is so easy for
(26:01):
them for them to say, and it's crushing because you
leave that room or you hang up that phone going
am I wrong?
Speaker 8 (26:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
You know, like I thought this was a slam dunk.
Is like I think it's timely, I think is smart.
I think is what people want to consume.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
And then you have.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Somebody saying no, no, thank you. How do you guys?
It's crushing. How do you guys deal with that? And
just go Okay, let's go back to the drawing board next,
let's move on.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I think one thing we do is we have a
really diverse slate of a lot of different projects. So
instead of having all our eggs in one basket, we
look at it as like a chessboard. So we're moving
things as far as we can with the different ones,
and then we also have our personal project where we're
just the train, and those are the ones we've succeeded
at the most so far. We've got our slates, so
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shout out our.
Speaker 8 (26:53):
Slate of amazing projects.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
But you know, we're pitching those and then we're figuring
out what we're going to make next, proactively doing that well.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
And I think also, so I think, yes, that's all true,
And I think that like obviously our independent ones have
been smaller budget than some of our other ones. Right,
it's harder to get more money, so like so, but
when you have something that requires less money, kind of
easier to just at least keep it moving while you're
trying to get the bigger stuff going.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
One thing Selena talks about in her book a Lot
is working with what's around you. Because if you're working
with what's around you, you inherently have built in production design,
you have you know, locations, you can work with your
friends and it all feels very organic to the story
and process.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
So that's a great way to get started.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
And then also Roslyn like we get super sad sometimes
not like there's no denying, Like it is tough. It
is tough out there, and you put your heart out.
I mean, we just did a video right now, by
the way with the skin Deep, this very very intent
you're gonna watch it. You're gonna text me and be like,
are you guys okay? But which in a very very
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vulnerable conversation about the inner dynamics of our marriage that
are tough, and they're things that I think are really
important to speak about, and things that are also spoken
about in the movie. And we put our like heart
like just on the line, you know, and this guy
comments divorce in three years, Oh my.
Speaker 9 (28:20):
God, And that's just the world. Like anyway, the point
is like there's you know, there is a reality of
just like the more vulnerable you are, the more haters
you're gonna get because people are very uncomfortable with the
fact that you're being vulnerable. People get very uncomfortable with honesty.
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People get very uncomfortable with like how come.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
You feel comfortable saying your truth when I don't feel
comfortable even telling my mother about this thing I did
last week, you know what I'm saying. So there's a
lot of that, and there's gonna be friction, and I
think that's really tough, and I think it's really tough
to get knows and I think it's really valid to
be like today, I'm just gonna feel bad, Like I'm
just gonna feel bad today and then tomorrow I'm gonna
wake up and figure out what I do about it
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to keep moving forward.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
But yeah, it's that's every aspect of being a creative.
I don't care if you're on the acting side, directing, writing,
when you're putting something out there that's so subjective, right,
like anybody could love it, anybody could hate it. There's
no rhyme or reason why somebody wins an Oscar and
somebody doesn't, or somebody gets nominated, and there's hundreds of
others that deserve to be nominated.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
It's all opinion based.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
And that's one of the most difficult things that I
even tell Like my daughter who had times she's like
I think I want to go into your business. I'm like, no,
you don't, please you don't want to go into our
business is that if you can in any anything, it's hard.
Being a professional athlete is hard. Being a CEO of
a company is hard. But if you work hard, there's
often a result that will prove your work right.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Being a creative, I don't care how would you work.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
I don't care how many hours you put in, with
the time, the effort, I don't care if you're sweating.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I don't give me what you've done.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
There's no guaranteed proof of your work because somebody else
could say I don't like it. It's not for me,
And it's something that we all have to accept. That's
part of being in this business. But I think what's important,
like in going back to your book, is you got
to just keep the train moving.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
You got to jump on.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
You got to believe in your business, whatever it is,
whether it's just an actor, whether it's a full production company,
whether it's a writer or.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Whatever, it's your business.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
And I like something you spoke about even before, which
is people need to believe your business is real and
it's moving no matter what it's like. We're making this
so you're welcome to come in and jump on the
train and be involved. And if it's not for you,
it's not for you. But we're making this happen. And
I think that's so important in honestly, in all aspects
of business in general, not just ours. It's just you
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have to show people I'm all in. This is going
to happen with or without you. So it's up to
you if you want to miss.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I'm going to tell you something.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
The title of your book has affected me so deeply,
Selena and people that have followed.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
My career. I've been going at this for almost thirty years.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
It's been pretty consistent, you know, I have worked consistently
for so long.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
But it doesn't mean that that is it's.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Been easy easy, you know. I am, I am, I
look the way I look. I have an accent. So
it's been up and down and and people often see
me and they go, you inspire me, Oh my god,
how do you do it? And and it's crazy you
know that you're still going at it and successfully, and I.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Go, it's it's a trip. It's a trip.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And since you showed me your book, because we've been
talking about it for a bit, right, and I have
the word train. I'm not kidding you what I'm telling
you that I visualize myself as a literal train. Oh,
I show to you and I just go, I'm a train,
you know, like I swaw to you and I just
I'm a train. Either you jump in or you don't.
(31:55):
It's that simple. And I'm in the middle. And I
know you guys relate because you know, I directed my
movie and I'm now in the process of getting distribution,
which is brutal, you know. And I'm trying to do
all these things to think outside the box. And how
am I going to do in music videos with the
leading ladies, And I'm doing all this stuff that usually
people don't do is called it costs a lot of effort, time, money,
you know, because I'm betting on me. Yeah, it's a
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lot of people doubting is it necessary? Is it necessary?
And I said, listen, I don't know what I'm doing,
but I do know what I'm doing. Yeah, And I'm
a train. I'm a train, you know, And I'm not
going to stop. Either you jump or you don't. And
and the way that that my cast views me and
they're like, oh my god, you're crazy, but let's do it. Yeah,
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Oh my god, you inspire you inspire me. You're out
of your mind.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
What do we have to do. I'm gonna use sing.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
This is gonna have a girl right now recording a
song and she's like, well, I don't even sing, oh
you sing, Just go and do it.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I'm gonna make you sing. So so thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Thank you for that, because I swear to you, I
I literally I have become a train.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well, thank you. That literally made me cry. And I'm
having kind of like an anxious day today because our
movie is out.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, the movie's out. It's a huge accomplishment, two hundred
and fifty theaters, I'm assuming guys. So after you do
the theatrical play, then is you the goal is is
going to go to a streamer?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yes, so we're in conversation with streaming platforms right now.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Perfect.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
So that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
But I want to say you are a huge inspiration,
and you are a train, and you've always been a
train and I've known you. That's something I've always felt
about you. And just so you know, one of the
chapters in my book is actually called Surround Yourself with
Other Trains, because I think it's so important when you
are the train. And now I'm getting really emotional, but
(33:44):
it's actually really hard because most people are going to
think you're crazy. That's what it feels like to be
a trained So you have to be surrounded by other trains.
You have to be surrounded by other trains who understand
what it takes to put yourself out there constantly, even
when things get hard, to keep pushing forward, to keep
(34:06):
doing things, even if we don't know what we're doing.
We obviously don't always know what we're doing. It's like
being creative is insane. It's like an insane process, but
it's also so exciting and it brings so much joy
to be in that process of figuring it out and
figuring out who your audience is and what works and
(34:27):
what doesn't work, and you're learning and growing. And I
think that that's so valuable in life. And I think
that when you surround yourself with other people like that,
you level each other up, you inspire each other correct.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
It's like when you get to do scenes with people
that are really really great actors, it elevates you. Yeah,
that's why you have like average actors doing surprising everybody
with fantastic work. And what you have to look is
who's around them, who's acting with them. It elevates you,
you know, and that's what we have to aim in life.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
This is amazing.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I love I love you guys, and I wish you
incredible success and very important people that love independent filmmaking,
that appreciate the work that it takes to do to
be an independent filmmaker. Go support you know, check your
your listenings, check what the movie is playing. It's it's nationwide, right,
two hundred and fifteen nationwide, So I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
There's a theater.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
I'm telling you people, please trust us on this one.
We've seen it. Jump on this train, you me and
her in theaters now, you don't want to miss it.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
And you know what's cool about it when you leave
a theater and there's conversation, because it's gonna make you
think a lot, especially marry couples or just couples that
they go in and they're going to leave the theater now,
go to dinner, go have a drink and talk about
what you just saw and what would be your reaction
if it happened to you.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, thank you guys so much, love, thank you so
much for having us and for making the time to
do take you.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
It was such a good episode, but this one is
a great episode.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Took bye bye, Well.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
That was still a great, great to redo episode. Yes, yes,
awesome couple, just powerhouses and and you know again we
get asked a lot, so this is a perfect episode
to help answer those questions about being in this business.
How do you do it? How do you go about it?
And it's really just be your own train and believe
in yourself and do whatever it takes, you know, send
(36:36):
those cold emails, reach out to whoever can help.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Just try.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
You gotta try, try and try again. And they're a
great example of that, so wish them all the success.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yes, all right, love you, thanks for listening. Don't forget
to write us a review and tell us what you think.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
If you want to follow us on Instagram, check us
out at he said, is that email Eric and Ross
at iHeartRadio dot com. He said, is part of iHeart
Radio's Mike Will Do That podcast network.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
See you next time.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Bye,
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