Bob The Drag Queen: The Truth About Quitting Drag

Bob the Drag Queen crashes the HIGHKEY! party for a hilarious and candid convo with Yvie and Ryan. The trio dives into everything from Drag Race crowns and All Stars shade to The Traitors drama and podcast partner tension. Bob gets real about nearly quitting Sibling Rivalry, being misunderstood by fans, and why she’ll never care about being “nice.” Plus: inside stories from Harriet Tubman: Live in Concert, her plans for Purse First Studios, and Bob’s favorite little violent game that everyone should know about.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
My life has changed so much because RuPaul's burg Grace.
I said it on the show and I'll say it again.
I got to be my favorite TV show. I got
to win my favorite TV show. I got to see
how the sausage is made, and I came out and
I still ate sausage. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
What's up? I gons Welcome to High Key.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm Ryan Mitchell and I'm evi Oddly and today we're
bringing you a hang with the One and the Only Bob,
the drag Queen.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Ah and girl.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
We talk about everything, I mean, why Bob and Monet
hate each other, why you know Bob thought.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
That she was good at the Traders.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
And of course we talk about Bob's New York Times
bestselling book, Harriet Tubman Live in Concert.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
But first things first, you know, we got to get
to the hike Key.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Oh my god, avey, guess who doesn't have any more
anxiety about having birthday things anymore?

Speaker 5 (00:55):
Is it you? Because your birthday is no longer over? Fuck?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Okay, funny because when you were like, guess who no
longer has any anxiety?

Speaker 5 (01:03):
I was like, this bitch is lying to herself.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
No, I swear like as soon as it like even
the day of. So my birthday was July twenty ninth,
but I ended up having my birthday party a little
pool party on the twenty seventh that Sunday, and I
was so stressed out of it. I was literally going
to cancel it the day before, like no, Lie, I
was going to send a little party in Bye and
be like, oh, stay home. But instead it was really

(01:28):
really great. I had all the food. I had my
really good judy like Trey Vale shout out to them,
really helped out with like getting all drinks and all
the things.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
And oh wait, so you did. You did diva out
a little bit. You were able to finally be like, no,
it's my birthday. I deserve somebody else to do things
for me.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
I didn't even really like low key diva out because
I don't even know. I feel like at some point
in life I will be able to like experience that
full on. But I was just kind of like, you know,
just get what you want to get. And they were like, no, bitch,
tell me what you want and I will get it.
And so I did that, and of course, you know,
niggas show up an hour later, which I thought they would. Yeah, exactly,
and I wanted them too, because anyone who shows up

(02:07):
to a party on time, you're.

Speaker 5 (02:08):
A fucking psychopath.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Okay, you're every future party like a medium.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, Like why.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Would you show up right on the dot, Like that's
kind of crazy to me. However, Kimon, no one did that.
It was really really great, good vibes, except for there
were children hanging out because I lived my apartment complex,
there's families there, and like all of my friends are
like low key hose and the bathing suits showed that.
And we couldn't even get naked like we wanted to
because there were babies at the pool.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
All you had to do was get naked. Girl. I
went to one of my besties pool parties last.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Weekend and it was just all a bunch of menaces society,
just like a bunch of tatted faggots with our Dixon
balls of every gender, just like hanging out of the sides.
And the second we walked up to the pool, those
the kids were already playing this game of like, huh,
if you get pushed in the water, you're gay?

Speaker 5 (03:00):
Overheard that bitch. The way I took off.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
All of my overgarments was in a little string bikini
and did my most graceful little like back bend flip
into the pool as gay.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
Well, I guess I'm gay now. Oh god, no, I
should have scared those children.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
It's Leo season.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
You have a birthday shindig coming up, right, like a
yard sale birthday Siphah.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, it's gonna be like a yard sale because I
have a bunch of shit I want to get rid of.
And it's also my way of defeating my own anxiety
about my birthday, because like, birthdays are never fun for me.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
It's it's stressful.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Everyone's there and like clearly at least pretending it's about you, Like, girl,
I don't want all that attention and like one on
one interactions.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
Off of stage, Like it's great on stage.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Where you can be like, yes, here's my audience performing
when it's like your grandmother, that guy you fucked, like
a friend from high school, your father, just a rando
off the street who is coming with somebody, and they're all that, yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
So how are you, like how have you?

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:05):
That is so real.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Honestly, it's it's the small talk. It's so uncomfortable. But really, though,
for real, we we have to bring in our guests
for today's episode so they could jump in with us.
Now you know them as the winner of season eight
of Rue Post Drag Race and the co host of
the podcast Sylli Rivalry. Also, he was a fan favorite
on season two of The Traders, and he just released

(04:27):
a new novel, Harriet Tubman Live in Concerts. Welcome to
the show, Bob the drag Way.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
How are we all? Lovely? Welcome to the party, bitch?
What'd you bring?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
I've been listening outside with the cup press to the door,
and I heard everything.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Please not you were like waiting to see if we're
going to talk shit about you.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
One of those with my loudhouse with my loud House live.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
But like I already know you heard everything that was
going on anyway as you were standing outside, Like should
I even be walking into this?

Speaker 5 (04:54):
Bitch?

Speaker 4 (04:55):
I love that Edie is having like this big celebration
of it all because also she's like, low key what
celebrating that you quit drag or some shit? Like what's
going on with that?

Speaker 5 (05:05):
Now? How do you low key quit drag?

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Right?

Speaker 5 (05:09):
Girl, you've already done it.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Whatever all you have to do is come out as
non binary, and that way you have an excuse to
wear any amount of makeup or sparkly clothing you want.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
You're like, no, don't judge my gender.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Okay, this is my my representation, this is my expression.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
And they're like, bitch, this is a nightclub. I've been
none biting this whole time.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
But I think that I always say, you don't you
don't quit drag. No one really quits drag, right Wait?

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Wait, so what's the transition from doing drag all the
time to like look like not really doing drag all
the time?

Speaker 5 (05:42):
Like what is the reason people think?

Speaker 1 (05:44):
People think that because I show my face out of
drag that I that I don't do drag. They're like, well,
is Bob ever in drag? I'm like, I'm always in drag.
I do drag all the time. I didn't. I did
an entire tour in drag. I do tons of stuff
in drag. But because I don't go everywhere because I'm
not Lady bunnying it or every single public appearance of
my life in drag, people are even something I have

(06:04):
somehow that I am somehow stepping away from the.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Cloth, Like yeah, that's the thing is they like they
look at us doing less drag in less traditional senses,
and they're like, oh, that bitch is falling off.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
Oh that bitch is quitting drag.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Oh that bitch is developing a meth habit or whatever
they say.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
About literally what the drag race reddits were actually me habit, well,
not that the meth habit of it all, but I
think they were worried. They were like, well, what's going on,
She's quitting drag all these things like did you at
least were you at least like happy that people care
that you were like that that idea was out in
the world like, oh no, don't quit drag.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
That's actually nice. Huh Oh no, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
I don't care. I don't like, like, that's very sweet.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
I'm very thankful that there's some people who would be like,
oh no, if you quit drag.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
But I've been thinking about this a lot.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
It's like, it's like, if you die, everybody for the
most part is going to be like, oh my god,
this is.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
So sad we lost her. I wish I could have
seen her one more time. I wish I could.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
And I'm like, no, bitch, give artists the praise that
that you would when they're dead.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
While they're still here kicking.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Like I was literally in an interview once with all
the all Star girlies and it was an either or
like bullshit BuzzFeed sort of thing, and they made us
choose between Chee Cheese's paper outfit and Naomi's paper outfit,
And like the way all these girls went so quick
to like kiss ask for Chi Chi because she was dead.

(07:30):
They were like, yeah, and it's so immaculate how her
her makeup's like almost really good here almost, I think
chi just because she makes stuff out of trash, she's
come in like trash bags.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
Then yeah, But that's why I'm so impressed by Naomi.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
She would never touch that in real life.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
She doesn't read a newspaper.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
And Naomi's outfit was literally what Rue Paul wore for
the promo the next season. The way I got into
a fight with all of those bitches being like, no,
you better not treat me like this when I'm dead.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
In their defense, ch Che's off, it was good. I
mean it was good.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
It was between Cheechi and Naomi for sure at that point.
And you know, I do think there's a reverence that
we give to people when they passed that we don't
give to them when they're here. And I think it's
because you can't atone if you do something bad while
someone's here, you can atone.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
Once someone's dead, you can no longer atone with them.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
What's what's been said, has been said, what's been done
has been done, you.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, So maybe there's some of that in there, but
I mean I understand the notion like if a friend
dies and you just read their text, you read the
last text that you had exchange that you have with them.
If someone in your life passes away, a lot of
people just go the first thing they do it, They
just they see what was their last text, message interaction.
And I had a moment where Jacqueline, who was a

(08:45):
producer on the Fosse Drag Race, had passed away and
I checked our last text together and I hadn't responded,
which I don't respond to text ever.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Right, I'm most definitely a part of that committee of
not responding.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
And I remember and I remember thinking myself, well, which
how to respond to this text? But I never responded
people's tags, That's the truth. I never But I do
wish that I had gotten one more opportunity to respond
back and forth. Obviously I had no clue she was
passing away, so I didn't have that opportunity to respond.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
I just it's been so interesting to see how many eyeballs,
especially you, having to do like that e W interview
with the King of All like drag Race Twinks, Joey Nophie.
I'm like, it wasn't really that serious to have to
do an e W interview about it.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I don't mind joyd nophe He, I mean, he just
seems like a gay guy who loves drag Race and
talks about it a lot. But Joey and Nophy's kind
of been given the like he's like he's the new
Jake Yonce and he's He's really not.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Oh it's just I really like to use his name
when I'm talking shit about reporters because he's the only
one whose name I like ever remember off the top
of my head.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
I've seen it. I've seen that video before. That video
has has crawled across my feed for sure.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Okay, so I think we are going to keep this
party going. Let's take a quick break some drinks, get
some drinks, get a snack, and then we'll be back
and talk all about Bob's whatever is happen?

Speaker 5 (10:05):
What are you gonna grab a drink?

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Are you gonna grab a Celsius that's accidentally made with
high noon?

Speaker 4 (10:09):
Well yes, actually we'll talk about that coming up next.
All right, So we're back, of course with Bob the
Drag Queen, and it's so interesting. We were talking about
Ev low Key quitting Drag and you know, Money did
a really great job at teasing and the fact that

(10:29):
you almost quit sibling Rivalry.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
I don't think I want to do this podcasting. I
think we need to quit doing the podcast. Why wait what?

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, I don't plan on quitting silving Rivalry. This was
just a couple years ago when I was really irritated
with Monette and the fandom in a way that didn't
feel like it just it didn't feel fun or cute anymore.
But but this was I mean, this was years ago,
and I just and I just randomly told Money recently,
well she kind of asked me.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
I was like, yeah, I thought about not doing the pod.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Me and Jacob, my partner, had a conversation about whether
or I wanted to quit quit the podcast.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Whoa Bob is quitting Drag? You heard it? Here first.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Whether or not I wanted to quit the podcast, and
I chose obviously chose not to. But it was like
just so fucking irritating this fuck Like I was like.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
I feel like I could tell I've been a long
time subscriber of Sibling Rivalry, and I feel like there
was a moment where I could tell, Like it just.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Sometimes y'all's arguments, even though it's like.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
The whole podcast is about sibling like arguments, they be
feeling so intense. Sometimes I'd be like, oh my god,
love me, pauls y'all.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Well, me and Money are you all the time?

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Like we don't we don't put on for we don't
put on for the camera, Like this is how we
talk in everyday life.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
We're like always arguing. But then it kind of came this.
It's really interesting.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
I was like last night at Mona's house playing this
this game called Secret Hitler.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
Do you know Secret Hitler?

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Kind of not really, it's kind of like Traders kind
of everyone gets a card you're either a fascist or
you're a liberal. So I play with it was me Jacob,
my partner's partner, Mikey, and then Monette and her partner
then Ravens vone and her wife, and so Money is
really charming, right, So Monette was using her charm to

(12:10):
convince people that I was bad in the game. I
kept telling you, but I kept telling. I was like,
I was like, you can trust me. I'm not bad,
you can trust me. I'm actually really good. You can
always trust me. But because Monette is charming, and I
don't really care to be charming, like, like, being charming
isn't part of what I particularly care for. I'm want
to let you just get to the nady gritty. But anyway,
long story short, every single time Monette was a fascist

(12:33):
and she was lying, and I kept telling the ladies, no,
you can trust me. I'm not lying to you. You
can trust me. But she was like no, but Monet
is saying you're bad. And then the game ended and
then it was true that Monet was bad and Money
was lying to them. And then she was like, oh god,
I don't know why trusted Monet. And then I was like,
next round, just know you can trust me, and then
the whole, the whole happened three times in a row,
and she could be and she could be like, I

(12:53):
don't know why I keep trusting Monet. But Monette is
like playing to the niceness. But I just I never
played to niceness because like, if people don't think I'm nice,
I don't really care that much.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
It doesn't really bother me if you don't think I'm nice.
Until it gets to.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
The point where Monette was weaponizing her charm in this game.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
Obviously that's the.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
That's a great strategy if you really weaponizing her charm
and being like, see Bob's bad. But then the end
she was like, wow, I should have not trusted Monae.
I was like, I told you not to. I told
you not to trust money. I told you never trust
her in this game. That's the thing. Why would you
trust her?

Speaker 3 (13:24):
But what we're saying is if if you ever were
to uh step away from sibling rivalry, it would be
because Monette was using her charm as a dictator.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yes, if I were ever step away from sibling rivalry,
I can't think of a good reason to step away
from sibling rivalry because I can always find time for it.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
To be honest, it we do two episodes a week.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
So we film for roughly four hours a week, so
I can I can always find time to do sibling rivalry.
But if it ever starts to feel on fun for
an amount of time that.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
It's too long, then I'll probably step away.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
And I think that the last time it was feeling
unfun for too long because what I was getting at
was even when because Monday and I we do. You know,
you're a joke with your friends, but people who aren't
your friends, they don't actually know your dynamic, so they're
remember the acception like, no, Bob is actually a bad people.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
I say, by plays too much. That's literally like.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
They're like, oh, I can't tell that this is all
a bit I actually think that Bob is actually a
bad person.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
What are your tips for us to like, you know,
lack in I mean a July and August leo like
taking over the world in this way is kind of insane.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
So I don't know anything about zodiac, nor do I
actually believe in zodiac, so I can't give any tips in.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
Terms of when you were born and where the moon was.
And oh my god, I'm such a such a carrious answer.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
I was like, please, can you.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
I'm a cancer, not a sagittarius, I said, saga carrious.
I was including like two or three that's saga carryopio answer,
which is very zodiac based to be like, I'll just
say all of them, but I I will say that
if you are truly friends and you love working together,

(15:06):
those two things are very important because one of them
can change. You can still be friends, you cannot like
working together anymore, you know what I mean. But if
you're if you're truly friends and you love working together,
it should be able to withstand but also openly communicate
with each other when you're not feeling good about it,
when you are like, this doesn't feel particularly feel fun
right now. I probably should have told Monette at the
time that I really wasn't feeling the vibe and it

(15:28):
didn't feel fun, so I wasn't able to show up
to work in a good mood.

Speaker 5 (15:32):
So I think that, especially in the moment.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
When I was trying to tell Money, I was like,
I'm like, I should have been like, this does not
feel fun. And obviously Monette has a part in that,
and so do I. But Monet is also not a
type to ever acknowledge her partner anything she does, so that's.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Ways that's not true. I'm I think that is true.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
I know.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
Money better than you. Right, do you feel like you're
being gas lit right now? Because she doesn't she she
legit does.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Not have to acknowledge anything she's done because even when
people know she's fucking lying to their faces, they're like.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
Oh, but her smile is so sweet.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
That is the charm. What a call back?

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, I mean, can you think of a time where
Monette says acknowledged her pardon anything, but you were ready
to defend her though, I mean.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
Acknowledged one thing, like she she acknowledged that she was
on All Stars for yeah, exactly money. I love my sister.
She's literally my best friend in the world.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
And by the way, I would rather work with Monette
than anyone in the world, hands down. If I have
to collab with anybody, it will always be Monet. Oddly enough,
we rarely get picked put together by other people, Like
when brands and companies sheoose, they'll be like, oh, Bob
and Tricksie, Monette and the Vivian Bob and Thorgy, I mean,

(16:52):
the bitch.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Y'all check off the same box on the diversity hire list,
or like, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Recognize, but they'll book tricks and and they're the same
in the direction I mean.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Have it differently. One of them's like thick White too,
and one of them is part O g Boy, So
I guess that really throws you.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
It's so interesting when I think about you and Evie, like,
would you all ever go back into the World of
Wonder RuPaul's drag Race world? Like, realistically, I know you
said you don't want you wouldn't be on All Stars,
but would you.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
No, I would go back into the drag Race world. Okay,
World Wonder and drag Race are not necessarily the same interesty.
You know, there's World of Wonder and drag Race is
in there, right, So what I do a show produced
by World of Wonder? Absolutely when I go back and
compete on RuPaul's drag Race as of right now in
my career now, but again, I always said things might
go south for me and then I'll be like, I
gotta get back on TV.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
But you better double down on the fact that All
Stars is for losers. It is, which is so crazy
to say if you really think about it, how is
it correct?

Speaker 1 (17:55):
There's only one thing in the history of Dragon, There's
only one queen in the history of All Stars.

Speaker 5 (17:59):
Who computing who's not a loser? Literally one.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
I guess when people get so like uncomfortable with the
word loser because I'm using it. But I think it's
one of those things where it's like it all stars
what it used to be. I feel like it's changed
in a lot of ways, but what it used to
be is like seeing all your favorite queens kind of
come back and I have a resurgence in their career

(18:22):
and then also maybe have like an arc that is
like you know whatever in their in their in their
story and their drag Race story, and then that's what
kind of blows them up. You you're excited, it's your
fan favorites. And so I think people never never originally
looked at them as like losers.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah, they like they were still losers. It was it
was just like the iconic losers or whatever, right. I
think the like I'm with you, Bob, where I think
people automatically assume that if you've ever given like this
negative critique of drag Race, that you're like like, I
would never fuck with any of those bitches ever again.
And for me anyway, is it's really like, no, I

(19:02):
just realized that I don't want to be competing in
a drag competition. And have that be the next part
of my story, like I already have two chapters of
that shit, Like I want something else that isn't just that,
And I would love to work with them, and like
other capacities, I'll be a clown they pie on an
episode or some shit.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
Like I'm not against it, but I think.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
It's a little wild how hard it is for people
to remove queens and the artists and the faggots that
we were before drag Race as doing anything other than
pouring directly back into that show.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Is it a blessing or a curse both?

Speaker 1 (19:38):
For me, drag Race is a blessing I have. My
life has changed so much because of Repo's drag Race.
I said it on the show and I'll say it again.
I got to be my favorite TV show. I got
to win my favorite TV show. I got to see
how the sausage is made. And I came out and
I still ate sausage.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah, I mean yeah. I went to the factory and
I was like, this is great. I love this.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
I don't don't have to go back to the factory
again to enjoy the sausage. I can just eat the sausage.
Now I can make review shows about the sausage.

Speaker 5 (20:08):
So you do, so you don't.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
You don't feel it's at all a curse in any
sort of way, Like I acknowledge that it's a blessing too.
It drag Race literally fucking changed my life before I
had a dream of being on it, and so much
in the same way, like getting to that point and winning,
we're just literally dreams come true, like unimaginable. But at

(20:30):
the same time, do you ever like hunger? I mean,
maybe you're at a different level in your career than
I am, but do you ever hunger to like be
put on a poster without having to have RuPaul's Drag
Race above your name?

Speaker 1 (20:43):
No, that that doesn't really bother me. I mean I
do get to be on posters without Rpaul's Drag Race
on there. But then but then it's like now, but
then I'm like on a big poster and it's like
and it says like the Celebration tour in the it
says Madonna and giant words, and you look in the
bottom right corner and it says.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I mean it was a little bit bigger than just
in the corner.

Speaker 5 (21:05):
Yeah, you were.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
You are like a staple of that ship.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
You should go back and look at the poster you'll get.
But I'm but I'm looking that I got to be
up there, you know what I mean. I feel really
lucky I got to do. And I think if I
can say anything, is a curse about uh drag Race.
And I don't think it is exclusive to drag Race.
I would say it's that, you know, we are thrust
into the public eye, but we don't get media training,

(21:30):
you know what I mean. So you're put out there
and I meet people and I do things that people
don't like, and a lot of it I stand by.
Some of it I don't, But for the most part,
most stuff I've said and I've done, I truly stand by.
And also, you know, media analysis is not what it
used to be because there's so much coming at us

(21:50):
all the time. So something will so someone online will
say something and there's no there there. You don't have
to fact check it. You don't have to fact check it.
If someone says it is gospel, it is true.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
It is what it is. I don't care.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
All I know is that user five point three h
two six seven four said that Baba drag Queen blank
blank blank, and that was literally all the proof I
need because I never liked that bitch anyway, because I
used to read and that was her bottle server and
she didn't say hi to me. So because of that
interaction I had back in the day where she I
was her bottle server and she didn't smile at me,
I knew deep down in my soul that she was

(22:24):
a piece of shit the whole fucking time.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
Drag I was gonna say, I couldn't invite her down.
If y'all want to reconcile.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Drag these room now.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
Fact.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Yes, Also you may feel that way because you've been
able to go off and like be a New York's
Time bestseller, have the traders weird.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
Carte up like Hi.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
I understand why why you have a lot of positive
feelings around the platform and what it's been able to
do for you, because were you intentional about being not
just a drag race girl.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
No, I have no qualms of being I have no
qualms of being a drag risker. I will I will
always be a rude growth. Today I die and as
a badge, I were with honor, you know, I said,
I one of my lines to say my song was
pers first in a game with a stamp from Root
and I'd have been around the world. Who the fuck
are you like? I am like, I got a stamp
from Rupe Paul. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (23:22):
I was the best one at that particular time. I
have a crown over there that proves it. That is something.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
To be honest, I think that that crown and that
step over there is more impressive than a lot of
other stuff I've done in my life. It's it's definitely
more rare. You don't how many fucking Grammys to get
out give out every year. To give out two of
those fucking crowns a year, only two of those pass.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
In this kind of thing anyways.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, they're popping those crown pussies everywhere around the world.
They're like, I just met this hot Brazilian.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
Guy I gave I gave him a crown right on
the spot.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Oh yeah, it's like on my bucket list to go.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
I mean, in the States, they give out two of
those a year, and they give out forty whatever Grammy
is a year, you know what I mean. These are
they are prestigious and they do me and they do
mean a lot, and it really means a lot of s.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
And they haven't lost you all don't feel like they've
lost their meaning. I feel like All Stars doesn't mean shit.
I've already I've already said that before.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
All Stars where it's at right now is like and
not even like this current season. It's like it's become
quite clear after a while that All Stars really is
as much about, like, you know, tension on productions and
what the bitches are feeling, and who's the biggest diva
on set, and like what is best for the brand.

(24:40):
And while all of that is like still a part
of a regular seasons. On a regular season, the judges
don't know most of these bitches. They're like literally going
and blind. And I think what's difficult about All Stars
is not only do the fans have their own perceptions,
but the judges still kind of look at all the
girls like it's their season of drag race, and like

(25:02):
what they had done before was just like a challenge
you were shitty at or something you like. Ginger was
never not gonna win this season.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
I can't speak much on All Stars. I've never done it,
but I can say I have. I have also, on
our podcast famously said that I think it is more
impressive to win drag Race than it is to win
All Stars. And to be honest, I don't really have
a lot. I mean, in Monday's The Fit, she has
done All Stars twice. Money's done three seasons of Upulse
Drag Race. So I actually do not know what it's
like to compete on All Stars. I just know what

(25:33):
it's like compete on Repulse Drag Race.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (25:35):
What about? You also know from a fan perspective.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yetive which I'm talking about what I'm watching.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
I've also helped people prepare for All Stars too.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
I've helped people prepare for those Drag Race and I've
helped people prepare for All Stars, and I've helped I've
helped Nami Smalls, I hoped Jigli Colliente. I've helped Moe
Toy Exchange. I've helped h I mean, my god, I've
helped a lot of queens. I've written jokes, I've helped
conceive outfits. I've hoped a lot a lot of queens
and Miss Cracker on her initial season, I've helped a

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lot of queens get ready for ball drag Race.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
Wow, it is harder doing it everyone I've helped.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
It is harder drag Race than it is All Stars
in their preparation stage from what I've noticed.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
I mean, Hella is.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
So interesting.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Yeah, I guess it's it's I can see what you
all mean by drag Race kind of being the thing
sitting at the top of the mountain.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah, and it should still be revered in that win.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
I think oftentimes when it comes to like things that
especially queer things that become mainstream, and especially at the
rate that drag Race comes, like, I mean, you have
the international spin offs and you get a little like
at one point, I feel like I've totally been burnt
out over all of the drag Race of it all,
Like I love it. At one point I was just
only watching the UK drag Race, but at some point

(26:52):
I dropped off. I didn't even really watch the season
of All Stars because it's just a lot of content.
But it's like I want that content to say it's
especially in this culture climement, I need Ruboss Jack Race
to sort of say there, because there's that's the that's
the that's the place where people are getting, you know,
some of their first like interactions.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
I'm assuming with like queer and trance folks.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
I stopped watching international seasons after a pretty rough view
of All Stars, I mean also a drag race down
under a season one that was a pretty tough watch.
So I fell off, and then a rough There was
a rough season of UK and a rough for me.
There was a rough season of UK that I was like,
oh God, I hated this, and then I just went
back to just watching the States.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
Yeah, I mean it was.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
It's really interesting because what I liked about those other
seasons was uh specifically no shape, but the ones without
like ruined Michelle is how hosts, so I could see
what's important to like their dragon culture there, Like like
the first couple of seasons.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
Of Thailand are bangers.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
These bitches are like making the most insane artistry, lighting
themselves on fire and then sucking their own dicks on
the run way.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
And I'm still going home that episode.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
So like my Kings now I mean King King of Drag,
like I mean King.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
I think it's like King Molasses is who won my Yeah,
so like shout out to like this this next iteration.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
The first three episodes of Kings of Drag and I
was like, yeah, I did there was one episode that
was like, I was like, this is a tough watch
right now. This episode that I was like, this is
not drag race because it was so I'm so used
to the ribbing and the shade and the and the
and the love your drag, the confessional, your dresses hideous,

(28:41):
and and and there was one episode of Kings of
Drag that I was like, this.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
Is wild.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
There were just it was the episode where they were
confronting their their fears and everyone's uh, everyone's performance.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
Was like really like they're like, and here's my trauma
on you.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
It was. It was.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
It was forty minutes of non stop trauma, but every
once in a while everyone's while Mura would come into
my dad joke, and then it was back to like
I almost killed myself, my family abused me, and I
was like, my god, I guess I just wasn't mentioning to.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
You soon, is what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
The reason why I like that is that reminds me
of like going to like one of my crunchy ass
drag daughters like little shows at one of our only
lesbian bars in Denver and then seeing like everybody under
the gender spectrum just being so bad at drag but
like putting so much.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
Heart into it.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
They're like, yeah, I'm gonna do a five and a
half year long Regina Specter number while I slice my
own wrists with maybe a fake nice and you're like, wow,
I'll throw that queer dollar.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
I was so used to seeing like one of those
amidst a bunch of other stuff, Like it's like rat summer.
Then one sad person gets up and does the number
where they like puke into a bowl so they've overcome
their eating disorder.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
Like that's what it was like. It was every number
and I was like, oh my god, I need a
break from Kings of Drag. I'm shitting. Episode was light
and fling again.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
Why maybe that everyone loves a crunchy first season. I
mean the Housewives like Drag Race, Like everyone remembers that
crunchy first season because they.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
Didn't follow me. The trauma dumping was okay.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
The trauma dump is a part of the crunch though,
because you know, I guess he's the thirty seven of
Drag Race or whatever the fuck we're on now. Like
if they have a runway about fears or some shit,
the producers are still there asking you like before you
even go on, so what are you thinking about doing
for this fear runway? Because if you try and show
dick or or titty hole or whatever, they'll they'll have

(30:46):
to chop it. So they're like nah, huh, or if
you're trying to do a copyright character, they're like, uh.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Uh no dick, titty or goofy. On my season, they
didn't They never made us show them our runway. That's
why I was gagged whing when Manila and other girls
were like they they they I couldn't do my tampon
runway when I was on Dragon Race did not show
them anything.

Speaker 5 (31:08):
You just showed up with your stuff, You put it
on and you hit the runway. Maybe you can still
but that's the thing is like you can still do that.
You can show up with like whatever, but they'll ask
you like the week of like oh what are you
thinking of way and bitch.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
They will chop something because they were like trying to
chop chop ship for me, like down to the finale
of mine, I don't even remember what it was.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
Oh it looked like I have bullets on my on
one of.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
My outfits because they were rubber bullets spray painted a
different color, and they're like, I don't.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
Know, it could be too graphic for our viewers. We
might have to cut it.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
And I'm like, well then I'm walking on the streets,
cock out, make your choice.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
We also had a thing on like on my season.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
We also didn't we didn't know what was what looks
for for the runway, what looks for for challenges?

Speaker 5 (31:53):
We had no they didn't say this is the runway.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
They were they would give you twenty They give you
twenty looks, you have two weeks to figure it out.
And there were looks that I spent a lot of
time on that ended up being for challenges or that
I didn't even wear, like, for example, you do when
we did the Ruco's Empire, all of every character, we
each made a look for each one of those characters,
so so I had I had a look. So I
ended up wearing my chocolatechip cookie outfit, but I had

(32:17):
looks for all those characters that I spent all this
time on. So this is why I ended up wearing
that that Amazon suit on the runway, because I thought
they were like, oh, it's gonna be roller derby some allow,
I'm amazing Oh, they're gonna take it. They're gonna take
us to a skating rink and we're gonna it's gonna
be part of the challenge. I have no cue that
we're gonna be the runway and everyone always drags me,
but I just want to remind them I won that
challenge real quick.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Speaking of Crunchy, because I want to touch on other
things as well. Besides that, did you really think your
traders were? Like?

Speaker 2 (32:45):
What did you think of your training?

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Was amazing on that show, sister, were you I? And
that was better than you would be if you will?
This was exactly what Bob is a good drag queen
because she won't back down. She's not gonna go double
back on that line.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
I loved you on the Union. I felt like you
came in real hot, real strong, and that is just
not the game. Girl.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
Yeah, I'm gonna tell you why you're wrong. And I
can't wait to do this.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
She's getting voted out again to night every single time
that that they brought my name up on that show. Specifically,
it was only Dylan Efron doing it. At first, he'd
go around and he'd be like, Bob is guilty. Bob
is a trading at every single target. Everyone was like,
Bob is not a trader. They'd be like, girl, you're
literally smoking crack. Bob is not a trader. And then

(33:30):
Boston Rob let Dylan convince him that he was convinced
that I was a trader. So Boston Robb Dylan thought
he convinced Boston Rob that I was a trader. I
was actually never a trader. That never happened. I mean,
I was never Bostar Rob was never convinced. He didn't
need to be convinced because he knew trader.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
He was a trader.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
So then Boston Rob used his his like cloud and
his sway and his manipulation and his gaslighting to convince everyone. Yeah,
Dylan made me believe this. So up to that point,
my name was never said. I had not been brought up.
None of that had happened. And I also didn't do
the thing that Boston Rob claimed by dad where I
was like, you're one of the bad guys. I was

(34:09):
not trying to get Boston Rob out. I was not
on anyone's radar. And I'm going to tell you another
thing too.

Speaker 5 (34:14):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Danielle Rays was also a fantastic trade on their show,
she would beyond good.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
The hate her. She was beyond good on that show.
She was good. She was good.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
But the fact that you're like, she was beyond good
and I was a perfect trader and would do better
than you shows exactly why you're asked to not go
as far as you could have fitched. You were just
out here talking your ship like this is drag race. Bitch,
shut your fucking mouth, and we know you're good at stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
You cannot tell you that show.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
But but what ended up happening was I ended up
going I ended up going against like basically one of
the goats of strategy based television.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
So I mean, like they say that I don't I
don't watch the show.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
I don't watch that show us. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
But based on what everyone's saying, Boston Robin is that girl.
Boston Robbins, that girl has been that girl for twenty
some odd years and will always be that girl. So
considering that I went up against I went head to
head with someone who does this, like who has done this.
They're on there like six seventh, eighth time doing this
particular thing, and this is my first time doing it.
I dim did a great job in the show, and
a lot of people were gooped, gagged and gathered that

(35:25):
I was a trader and literally had no clue.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, also, Tea, I want to I want to defend that,
but I do want to say, like, if you were
just like a little bit more charming.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
I'm not the kind of person who ever work for
your charm. I'm not the combers who ever worked to
make you like me. I have never been that person.
If so, that would be so fun, that would not
be me. I would not be like guys just like
being quieted. I keep telling anyone I would have been
that loud if I was a trader. And you know
another reason why I know I was great on that show.
I never told any lies on it. I never told

(36:01):
a single lie on that show. The only lie I
told on that show was that I was a faithful
and I legally had to tell that lie. So I
was like, if you go in and you don't tell
any lies, they're not so they're not catching me in lies.
I wasn't doing anything to make myself obviously. What did
I do to make myself obvious? Quickly?

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Girl, you are a loud, beautiful, gorgeous like turning looks
make a trader. Well, yeah, it has a target on
your back, especially if you play it too strong, like
a drag queen who is arguing.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
No matter what, I was crying, by the way, my
tears were not fake. I was genuinely crying because I
was sad. I was actually sad, like it is y'all.
First of all, my mom died. I know, yeah, it's
like death. This everyone's dying. Caskt is burying.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
I was.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
I was never acting on that show, and I saw
people who wanted to be there, and it was sad.
I was not fake crying.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
I was sad.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, so how was my crying making
me look guilty? I had emotions.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
No, it just is one of those things where it's
like historically known as strategy shows, where it's like you
want to have a great social game, you want to
like kind of fly on to the radar. It's why
like Sirie won the first season of Trade because.

Speaker 5 (37:08):
Ultimate he was playing with with with have the cast.
She wasnt trusted her.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
She saw I think three was great, three was great, fantastic,
but she wasn't on the same she wasn't being greated
on the same skills.

Speaker 5 (37:23):
See, that's where it's wrong.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Is Serre's greatness was she was great at exploiting other
people's vulnerability, the stuff they didn't want to show. And
I don't know if this was just how the casting
showed up, but when she ended up in the finals
with like only faggots or whatever, basically I was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
No, she let these fagots think she was an out.
Didn't it end with like just Sori and people who
had never been on reality TV?

Speaker 4 (37:51):
No? Yeah, I mean, and that's the reason why I
think they changed the format and did like heavy reality
TV because a lot of these folks like they forgot
that it was again at the end of the day
and the strategy behind this, and they got especially hurt
around her decisions.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
Especially the poor broken queers.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah, but here I think I'll because it's really not
fun to watch a show or one person's like I
need this money or I will not be able to
get top surgery.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
You have a housewife being like I just want it.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
But also the last thing I say to two is
this you are watching from home with all the answers
of the quiz.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
I would know this. It's so obvious to me.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
It's only obvious to you because you already knew the
answers to the quiz.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
Okay, can I can I throw you a pose?

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Then?

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Because I've played one game of Traders in my life,
I want to watching your season.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
Actually, we all got together and we were like, yeah,
we're gonna have a Trader's weekend. Bitch. I know I'm
better than you because I made it to the end
of my game. I lost. I've made it to the
end of the game before and made it to the end.
And I'll tell you what next time. I would love
to have you over and.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
I don't get the I want to come, Like girl,
you got to invite them to your pool party.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
Yeah, yeah, I still haven't gotten invite from you, but
you are.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Okay, Well, can you please can we talk about really
quickly because I want to talk about this this book,
Harriet Tubman Live in Concert. It's so interesting that you
would one write this book, even though I've always known
that you. Harriet Tubmans is kind of like your legend,
like your icon. She's your diva.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, she's your dva.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
Like tell us more like why this like fictitious fantasy
aspect of telling her life?

Speaker 2 (39:37):
But then also, what's the balance of having a little
fun while you're doing it?

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Well, I want I've always been kind of obsessed with
Harry Tubmans since I was young and started reading about her.
I'm from Georgia, so we do black history, real we
don't do most I'm from Nashville. I know, yeah, we
do my history year That's why I was trying to
realize that people are like, don't do black they don't
do Black history like all year long, especially in the
class called your history taking I want to say middle
school and Georgia history is I was just gonna have

(40:04):
a lot of Black history in it. So I've just
been upsessed with Harry Tebban. And she's not from She's
not from Georgia. To be clear, I know Harry Tubban
is not from Georgia. She's from She's from Africa, She's
from Maryland. But every time you read about Harry Tubban,
you learn something new. Every time you're like, this is crazy,
how could this have happened? Her life is extraordinary and

(40:26):
I'm always impressed by her by just the things. And
there are so many histories who can corroborate all these
stories that are being told about her and I just
love writing music, so I I love the idea of
and I remember one day thinking to myself, if Harry
Tubman had an album, I would I would listen to it.
And then I was like, well, I'm gonna have to
write it myself.

Speaker 5 (40:42):
Bitch, how do you You said you don't smoke weed?

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Right?

Speaker 5 (40:45):
How did you come up with a book idea with
the highest thought ever?

Speaker 4 (40:49):
Like?

Speaker 5 (40:50):
What the fuck were Harriet Tubman? What would her bars be?

Speaker 1 (40:55):
I think if I smoked weed or did edibles, I
would it would shut off that that part of my brain.
And I think I would actually lose that part of
my brain if I did that.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Actually, So are you turning this book into a theatric?
Like do you what?

Speaker 4 (41:06):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (41:07):
What do you want?

Speaker 1 (41:08):
I was writing as a play before I was writing
as a book, and I am returning to my writing
of the play, like I want to get my play
finished for sure.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
I'm very much excited about one the audio book because
work on that, And then I'm also just excited about
like the form Matt's stat Harriet tell me live in
concert takes right because you have the album component, which
is so cool, and then like knowing that it's going
into theater. Is that like going to be a perse
first like studios, like your production company?

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Is that like what's going to really be the La
lunch people.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
But I don't have the capacity to produce a show
at the level I would want to do yet. Person
Pal Studios, we're very modest. We're a very very small team.
There's really like four of us who work here. Yeah,
I mean me, my stylist, my office manager, and my
like VP of operations at my at my studio, there's
like four of us. And then we have contractor to

(42:01):
come in and out. But you know, I have dreams
for first for studios down the line. I would love
to be able to release a feature film one day.
That would mean so much to me. I would love
to produce our own reality TV shows that would mean
so much to me. I would like to get back
into live events. I used to do a lot of
live events. I used to produce a lot of live
events back in New York City when I was living there.

(42:21):
But I don't have those same connections here in LA
and I want to start making those for sure.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
Girl.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Oh, I'll help you. I know some live events folks
out here.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
I touring back into the hands of the queens, like
I want. I would rather work for another queen than
work for UH, than work for either this massive company
just some random.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
Some random dude.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Yeah, and that's like no shade to any of the
massive companies or random dudes I've worked with.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
But and Jeter, no state to Vandon Boss for real reasons.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
I hear shade, you know, I like it.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
That's your shade because my mind, no shade would be
no shade to merld of Munber.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
What the big.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
But the reality of it is I feel like, Okay,
I was.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Trying to make this point with Rico Nasty when I
was talking to her a couple of weeks ago, is
that I feel like drag queens and rappers have so
much that they could learn from each other and how
success in our industries work, because you know, rap used
to hip hop used to be this niche thing that
was literally only for the culture, and then people saw

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ways to commodify it to make this big money. And honestly,
as a rapper, like the biggest dream you can have
is to get so successful that you get signed some
record deal and you learn that the system is kind
of whacking crooked, and then you start your own record
company and start signing other bitches to deals.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah, yeah, exactly six deals.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
No, No, I'm I'm obsessed with that as well, and
I think it actually is the perfect transition to go
into Bob. We asked every guest on the show, what
are you hikey about right now? That can be a
particular thing that could be just like you could hate
something that you are highkey hating. You could do anything
that comes to your mind.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
What are you hikey about current?

Speaker 1 (44:13):
I know for a while ago I was really hig
key about crocs. I went through a real croc obsession.
I'm not there anymore. I've called them from my croc obsession.
I'm actually wearing a pair of uh, at sea crocs
right now. Wait, let me see put them on the
other side, say at sea crocks. These are kind of
sick thing though. I like that they're covered, like the
holes are covered, because that's what.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
Gives me them.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
But right now, oh, I'm hikey about this game called
Apple Grapple that I've been playing on my phone. I'm
obsessed with Apple Grapple. So an Apple Grapple, you are
an apple and these worms are trying to eat you,
but you have to defend yourself against the worms. And
they give you guns, they give you knives, they give
you crossbows, they give you dynamite, they give you grenades,

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rocket launchers, and all the worms are keep trying to
eat you and come at you. And then the big
boss worms come out and then you get to level
up your You get to level up your apple to
the finger yourself against these worms. No one else I
know is really playing app Grapple unless I I tell
them about it. I know one other person, my partner tow,
is playing Apple Grapple right now.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Does the apple have arms?

Speaker 4 (45:18):
No?

Speaker 5 (45:19):
Well, no, the the apples have of sticks to it.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah, okay, the weapons are kind of like floating near
the apple, and that hands holding the weapons but.

Speaker 5 (45:30):
They're not acting, but there are no arms attached to
the hands. But it's like Rayman style ray video game.
I loved girl.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
I love how you were like, yeah, I'm playing Apple Grapple,
and I'm like, yes, this bitch has some little pleasure
in life, like a silly, ridiculous phone game.

Speaker 5 (45:47):
And then you're doing like full call of duty with words.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
You're like yeah, and I'm murdering them, blowing theirs out,
I'm ending their families.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
Well, I was playing.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
I was playing right before you. I was playing while
y'all were talking about evy low equitting drag and this
is my apple here wait put it on the other side.
I can't like, this is my apple, okay, and those
worms are trying to kill me. Oh, I have to
defend myself against these worms. Do you see these worms
trying to get me?

Speaker 2 (46:16):
I do that because you're not in the frame, but
I do want Apple to die.

Speaker 5 (46:19):
And you're like, I'm actually in the middle of this game.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
It's like a finger what is that game that used
to be where you like kind of you you I
don't even know, like a snake game, like a snake game.
It feels like you're your finger is controlling. It's that hilarious. Anyway,
that was was with the direction.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeahs on that old ass crunchy ass phone.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
You're just pressing three and I'm really loving I'm really
loving Apple grapple and defending my apple. And you can
also defend your So there's also a mumba where there's
a tree in the middle of the of the grove
and the tree is obviously your family, their apples on
the tree and these worms are trying to eat your family,
and you have to defend the tree your family from
the worms trying to eat your family.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
This is a very dark game. I hope this is
not in the children's section of the game.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
To be on TikTok and it's my favorite thing. It's
probably my favorite game I've downloaded from being advertised.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Well, boy, thank you for coming.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
To our party. We hope you enjoyed yourself. Hopefully next
time you will bring us something.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Listen, now, my question is in this game of Mafia
that we're gonna play, are you going to do better
than me?

Speaker 5 (47:25):
Say it now, period, I'm gonna eat you gonna do
better than me? I literally will Ryan will.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
I cannot wait till we both team up and get
you out and then one of us gets the other
out because we didn't realize they were a trader the
whole time and you were actually.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Y'all won't even know that I'm a trainer.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
This is going to be delicious.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
Well, well, thank you for coming to our show, my show.
We'll be back and we'll get into our high keys.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Of the week.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Well that's what I was trying to get across to
Bob is the like. She is one of the best
drag queens to have competed on drag Race because she
has the strongest like delusion. She has the strongest self belief,
like when the universe is trying to smack us down,
you have to believe, like, no, I'm the best at
everything that doesn't work in a social game.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
And it's like, I totally admire that. I admire that,
But there's just no way in the world that you
can watch back that season. I watched that season in
real time, and I think that you actually did a
good job.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
I'm sorry, Bob.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
News Alert, but I'm happy I was able to tell
you because I was also equally screaming at this, like
at the screen when that.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Season was on. It was like, you know what, I
can't do this. I can't Bobe, you're playing You're doing
too much sis.

Speaker 5 (48:53):
But yeah, she still was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Ryan, I know you, like, I'm already expecting some Love
Island big brother answer, But what are you high key about?

Speaker 5 (49:06):
Right?

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Actually no, I'm.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
High key distraught and high key over the fact that
I wasted money going to see Superman. It was one
of the worst fucking movies granted context, I'm not necessarily
Superman fans, and there's not much that you can do
to retell that story and make it interesting. And this

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is like obviously James Gunn's world and his version of
like what this is. And I've always been a fan
of see like television shows versus films. The only DC
film that I've ever liked was Aquaman, not Equaman to
just Aquaman. I know it's actually really good if you
if you watch it, it's like the humor's on point.
But anyway, I just I just did not enjoy world

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building that was happening in the Superman and I also
don't think I enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
The Octor I did. I didn't really I didn't like Lois.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
I just they made Superman's parents like these like super white,
redneck Southern like folks, which I guess it's fine, but
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
It just wasn't.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
Kansas or whatever.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
It's true, but.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
They've never I guess it's hard when because of Superman's
story has been told so much and you've seen like iterations.
I mean, the best version of Superman and Lois for
me is literally Superman and lowis the television show that
was on the CW. It was so good that I
last year like actually binged it like all the way
through and was like, wow, this is such a great show.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
They just nailed everything about.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
This is a different thing than Smallville, though, yes, it is.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
A different thing from Smallville because Smallville is his own thing,
which is another show that I loved, and so like,
I don't know, I high key over whatever Superman is
and I am excited though for you know, Supergirl and
what they're going to do there.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Superman was a flop.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
It was awful, and even though I could see what
they were trying to do and make commentary around the
things that are happening politically, you know, all the things,
et cetera, et cetera, I wasted it for you.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Yeah, I waste well luckily, Ryan, I don't trust your
taste anymore.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Did you like it? Did you see it? Oh?

Speaker 3 (51:21):
No?

Speaker 5 (51:21):
And I'm not going to see it.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
That is I trust my taste well, because okay, I
will say I trust your opinion on the Superman movie
because this feels like the DC equivalent of like whatever
the fuck Marvel decided to do after they got too
high and smashed all the universes like like they were
barbies in a kid's room, just making them fuck being.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
Like, yeah, what if we put seven naked Spider Man's together.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
I don't know, I'm a.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Mar I'm a Marvel apologist, but like that was bad,
like basically killed their like their status as like being
like quality not even quality. It's just like, girl, if
you saw one of the Avengers, you don't need to
see the other thirty. That was bad, Just like any
Superman story is bad because he's literally the most.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
Boring character ever created.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
I understand why he was important at some point, but
like since he was written, I think there's plenty enough
like space for tiny white boys and cornfields to believe
that they could dream of doing something great someday.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Honestly, it sounds like you just described Doug.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
I know exactly, and you know what. Doug hates Superman
and that's how I know is bad.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
But I don't trust your taste because you're like the
one DC thing I ever liked was Aquaman.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
Fuck the Dark Knight.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
Now, fuck you bitch, because no Aquaman is great. I
liked I mean Dark Man. Oh, okay, I mean Dark Knight. Yes,
I guess Batman for me is also a flat because
it's just another white It is like a rich white
man thinking that he can take the law and in
his own hands because his parents were killed.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
From bats or whatever. Stupid, it's all stupid. I don't.
I don't. I didn't. I didn't. I don't like it.
I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
I saw The Dark Knight was the best thing they
ever put out because they were like, yes, this is
another Batman movie with some guy performing over masculinity so
that eighty you can feel threatening. Hey, they had this
crazy ass criss cross dressing us Joker. Heath Ledger like,
I'm so sorry that.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
It comes at me with the knife? Why so serious? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (53:31):
No, for sure, Joe like Heath Ledger's Joker will go
down in history. Shout out to Heath Ledger, what are
you high key about? Because I do have like one
more high key just okay, I'll keep it.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
I'll keep it easy this week.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
My high key is I'm so high key about don't
tap the glass. It's it's Tyler the Creator's most recent album.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
At forty that's the brand new cool.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Just what the fuck? I do the plane with Matt Brand,
Thank the gods.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
I'm that thin.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
I just fucking love him.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
I've always been a Tyler apologist, Like I think he's
such a brilliant artist, specifically because art is about speaking
truth in as shit. Yeah, and like he has some
sketchy things he said in the past, but my little
like teenage ass was sitting there listening to them, being like, Wow,
he's just doing this because he's young and angry and

(54:27):
wanted to like get a ryle out.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
Of the world.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
And watching him evolve out of that into like just
like one of the most confident, beautiful, funny, like goofballs,
like just going around the world rappin' about how he
like fucks bitches and dudes or whatever.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
And he's such a I have a such a fucking crash.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
I have to listen to Thank you for that reminder.
There's been There's so much good music out right now.
Renee Rap just dropped her album Chaperone just dropped some
a new song. I love Tyler the creator as a performer.
Some the things that he's able to accomplish. His coach

(55:10):
Yella set when he headline was so amazing, Like it
just he just knows how to get a crowd going,
and it's I'm obsessed, So shout out to that high ki.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
I think that's a really great one.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
But once your last hig key, I know.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
It's really like a low key rip and just like
that is taking you know, I I I was getting
my daily dose of just white people doing white people shit,
dough that shit.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
And it's unfortunate because they have announced that it's it's done.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
Season three will be its final and I've already seen
the entire season already so i know how it ends.
But I'm really gonna miss Sarah Jessica Parker. I'm gonna
miss Kristen Davis. I'm gonna miss you know, Cynthia Nixon,
I'm gonna miss all of the crew of and just
like that and Sex and the City, What an era,
what a moment, And so yeah, I'm gonna miss them

(56:01):
for sure.

Speaker 5 (56:02):
But wait, Ryan, do you do you like?

Speaker 2 (56:05):
And just like that, I love it, and no.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
One's gonna be able to get me to hate it
because here's the thing. I think the reason where a
lot of the hate comes from him, I know.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
Is because it's like bad.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
No, it's because it's bad, but it's also because people
think it's supposed to be like just like sex and
the City, and this is a completely different fucking world,
like not world, but it's it's years later. These women
have completely changed and just like that is a little
bit more whimsical instead of realistic. Yeah, and if you
don't think about it like that and you continue to

(56:36):
like put the sex and the City filter on it,
you're just like begging for something that is just not
ever going to fucking happen. Now, they're gonna give you
remnants and reminders of what the show used to do
through like the storytelling and all the like little crazy
things and the sex of it all.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
But it's just a different show.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
And I don't think people really like, like understood that,
which is hard when you have a character that is
like kind as those three women and just this world,
it's hard.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
And so it's just it's it's been really annoying to
like hear all the hot takes of it all.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
And yes, there's been some some crazy lazy moments through
the rioting and all the things, but I love it.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
She can't dropped the fact that they forgot they already
killed a character's father. I think they were rewrote a
new one so she could go through the same trauma
my father died. Oh my god, when this afternoon I
could barely keep it together in front of the girls.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
Just now.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
I was the exact same way when I lost my
dad last year.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
That's like the friend of the party who dumps on
you at the beginning, she's like, my boyfriend just broke
up with me, and then later you see her making
out with her boyfriend, and then she comes back and
she's like, my boyfriend just broke up with me, and
you're like, really, it's a king.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
They put out a statement, they said, actually and that
scene that they were everyone was referencing, it was supposed
to be her stepdad, not her actual dad. You gotta
say it, bitch. I know, I know, I know, but y'all,
that is our fucking show. What a low rate, fucking
show it was. It's time for Edie and I to
tip on over to the afties. This is our Patreon,

(58:12):
you know, this is where we're going to be doing
an extra twenty to thirty minutes of all the spicy
shit that we really wanted to talk about here, but
we really didn't have the fucking time. And honestly, maybe
actually I think we need to dive in more on
the Entertainment Weekly of it all because we mentioned it earlier,
but we didn't really talk about it. And anytime, it's
kind of crazy you did that interview and didn't even
tell nobody you was to really doing that interview, and

(58:33):
I was just like, wait, bitch, why is that? Why
is it this serious? So we're going to talk about
it a little bit more. So join us to the afties.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
We'll see our Patreon.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Of course, do not forget to give our podcast the
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Speaker 2 (58:57):
We really appreciate it. But anywhere you get.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
Your sleigh worthy audio, as my good sis Trey hill
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Speaker 2 (59:03):
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Speaker 4 (59:08):
You know, we try to we try to do something
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Speaker 2 (59:15):
So we'll see all around. Come back to the party.
We'll see you at the act is.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
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Speaker 5 (59:27):
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Speaker 4 (59:31):
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Speaker 2 (59:42):
Teeth every week, see you there.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Hi Key is a production of iHeart Podcasts as a
part of the Outspoken Network. This show is created and
executive produced by Ryan Mitchell, eb athlete and spokene.

Speaker 5 (59:55):
Our showrunner is Tyler Green.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Our producers are Jonasanti, Jenna Burnette, and 's Ryan. Our
video lead is Louis Pana and our audio engineer is
Sammy Siret.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
Executive producers for Smoke Media our Travis Lamont, Ballinger and
Aliyah Tabacoli.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
Our iHeart team is just Crime Chich and Sierra Kaiser,
and our.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Fame music is by the one and only Kayan Hersey
and our show art is by Work by Work, with
photography by Eric Carter.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Thank you,