September 21, 2025 • 52 mins
This week on HighKey! we bow down to the Queen of the North herself — Brooke Lynn Hytes! From ballerina to Drag Race royalty, Brooke spills on rivalries, evolution, and running her own franchise. She gets real about navigating the in-between spaces of her own gender and sexuality, learning to live with fan opinions, and why finishing second to Yvie in Season 11 still felt like a win. Plus, the ladies spill tea on the Emmys, Yvie at fashion week, and Ryan's hang with a glowed up Demi Lovato.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The way that you talk about Canada's drag race. It's like,
it's your love and what's your reaction to that? When
you hear people kind of shitting on international like seasons,
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
That's how I feel.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I don't care what.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I've decided to be coming back on dating apps.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's the worst decision.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Honestly, I should put myself in the corner like time
out because I'm there. No, no, But it's it's crazy
because the people that I see in their bios, like
I hate someone who goes on long ass rants in
their bios of being like setting these crazy rules instead
of just like being there simply to like have sex with.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Someone with someone.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Oh my god, I saw this long rant about like
if you paint your nails, don't you we are not
a match. I'm like, and if you wear a makeup,
we are not a match. And I'm like, you sound
so fun. You sound like a dream come true.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Don't you.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Okay, you know what's hilarious is I was on the
Sledops recently and was talking about was talking about the
same shit with Doug and came across this profile though
it was like just a fun guy looking for a
fun time, and then literally after that it's like no fems,
not into just bjs, oh, no condoms, no drugs of
(01:24):
any kind, no sex after four pm or before eleven am,
no smile. I was like, girl, you cannot say I'm
here for fun and then have a paragraph of nose
after it.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
And just as it makes sense to me, and it's like,
I understand everyone should of course have sex with the
people that they want to have sex with. But then
that's where I start to like throw red flags everywhere
when I just am like okay, and one breath, you're complaining.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
About like not being able to meet someone, and there's out.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Like gay people are all open and there's no monogamy
and blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Bye. You go on this laundry list of why someone
doesn't want you.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
But then you look at your dating profile, you look
at the sex apps, and like you see that you're
listing seventy thousand things that are automatically putting you. You're
isolating everyone, So it's like, what, so, what's the what's
the real one?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
It's like easy enough to just not answer messages you're
not interested in, like, and I know there's a whole
debate about like whether you should be messaging them back,
and let me tell y'all, now, I owe you nothing
that is real. I owe you nothing. You owe me nothing.
Even if we've been messaging all day and we're like, ooh,
we're about to get together. What's your address? And you
(02:41):
go ghost girl, You're good, You are good. You don't
need to apologize to me. Yeah, it gets a sex app.
It is not that serious.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I am a girl that will if someone like hits
me up and I'm not interested, I'll just immediately block.
And honestly I'm okay with that. Like I want someone
to do the same to me if they're not in
to it, like totally. I like, I don't need to
make this more complicated than it is, because, honey, I'm
already I'm already on a clock where I have spent
so much time doing my big one, trying to get
(03:10):
ready for this moment that I'm preparing for myself, and
I don't got time to go back and forth on
if you find me attractive or not.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
No, get I need a one plus one I match so.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
We can be up to girl. The get what they
get done. And this is your PSA if you are
on the sluttiest of slough apps, you better get to
business at least with me girl. Like I I've started
trying to edge my profile into telling people like, hey, y'all,
I'm only in town literally for tonight. I only have
(03:41):
right until I'm getting and dragged for hours and then
getting on a plane. So like, but there's no polite,
kind cute, sexy way of being like, I have an
hour to fuck and don't waste my time.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Have you hooked up right after you've done drag? Oh?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, like and you're still full like face and like outfit.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Everything like a few a few times.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
They're not usually things that like I'm super proud of
her into though. They're usually like, oh, I'm really drunk
and I live a block away from the club.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It's click, it's door dash right there.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Exactly, Like you know, I just go out on the
prowl in the club in my little heels, so I'm
like extra tall and can see everyone. I go reel
out my rope and then I'm like, we're going back
and we're gonna do it in my roommate's room.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Which, speaking of you're actually in the city, you're in
New York.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I mean, I don't want to dodge you or anything,
but you're in New York and it's it's fashion Week.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
How's it been, you'le.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Tab Yeah, thank you? It was okay. So I only
did I only did one thing this year because that's
as much as uh of being in the fashion world
as I can handle out a time.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
So really, she is a serious I one who used
to work in it.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I totally she is a serious and girl. I am
a joke girl. I get one show a year as
long as you're fine with my bullshit. And I'm very,
very thankful that this year my friend zero Waste Daniel
asked me to perform for him again because this is
the second year in a row he's done a fashion
(05:18):
show instead of like a legitimate show. Yeah, and this
year's theme was like sustainable fashion is a drag And
it was just so so cool getting to be out
on that stage with like some of these amazing New
York legends, ye of people who had paved the way,
like some of the grittiest, funniest, wildest like artists coming
(05:42):
up in the city. I got to see King Molasses
really fine.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Oh, I know you were standing because you're obsessed.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Oh he is so fine, Like yeah, it was just beautiful.
And I really love the work that Daniel does in
the world because you know, the fashion industry is a
place that is not easy to break into with morals
and with this like specific vision for sure, and he's
just so beautiful about including our community making us feel beautiful.
(06:13):
And he's a good ass person and a great aus designer.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I mean, the looks was incredible.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
If you're not following Evey on Instagram, you should be,
and I'm sure every fucking listener that listens to this
podcast is. But I'm just saying the the lip sync
and the look was stunning, Like the classiest clown I've
ever fucking seen.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Thank you very much what I was going for. I
wanted to give big top energy. Yes, how was your weekend? Though?
What's what's going on in LA right now?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Oh? My gosh.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So, I mean Top of Mine is hung out with
Demmy Levado.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Really cool, really cool experience.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Demmy had a music single release party for her new
kind of Error that she's launching into. And here's the thing.
I've interviewed Demmy when Demmy was day then and was
yelling at Ice cream shops because they weren't gluten or
some shit.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Like I interviewed Demmy around that moment.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
But seeing Demi in this new headspace in this moment,
especially with her new album that she just like dropped
the cover for, and it being like it's not that deep,
that's literally her energy, Like she just seems like lighter
and like it was so much fun. However, Cammon, I
hate going to those sort of events because it's just
like influencer like paloozo oh yeah, and it's just everybody
(07:32):
like trying to be seen while I'm like, Okay, I'm
only going to be here for a second, get a
little photo with Demmy, and then immediately go to my
friend's birthday thing right after this, and I'm just like,
I'm not staying here all day. I'm also not begging
for attention in that way, which no, shaye, I'm not
trying to be shady, but also like the girls, please relax,
act like you've been somewhere girl.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
That's like what it feels like.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
I got to go to Willow's last album release party,
and it was so cool that it was my first
time being like in that sort of space. I got
to see her perform live and it was beautiful. And
then once that part was over, it was like, you know,
like piranhas in the water, like all the people just
suddenly like.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Okay, okay, oh my god, here's my next project in Okay, okay, okay, I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Suking a picture with me.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
But no, it was a really fun time and it
was really really great and hopefully, fingers crossed, maybe one day.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
We can get to me on the show, because that
would be everything.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I mean, that would be really insane because tangentially she
changed my life with just one song, and that actually
happens to be coming into play today because the other
person whose life she changed with that song is coming
on the show today. As our guest. We have Brooklyn Heights,
(08:52):
the Queen of the North, the rob Queen of Season eleven,
here on set looking ready to break up with miss
Vangie again.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Oh my god, and make way for me, yes please,
Brooklyn Heights is coming up right next.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Hike. All right, So.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Y'all may know our guests as the Queen of the North,
or you may have described her in Stan RuPaul Drag
Race Wars.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
The Real winner of RuPaul's Drag.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Race Season eleven welcome to hike Brooklyn Heights.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Never fear. The Queen of the North is here.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
She international Hi, Hello, Queen, my queen. Thanks for coming.
You're contractually obligated to say.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
That, but I also mean it.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I just I was doing such a deep dive one
Brooklyn is so nice to meet you, Like, I'm such
a fan.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Obsessed nice to meet you too.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
But I was laying in bed, scrolling and doing like
a deep dive, and I just went all the way
to like when you two. Of course, when Evie won
and like you were on Instagram, you congratulated her, and
literally all the comments were so in the middle. They
were like either Brooklyn got robbed, either it was all Evy,
or this was the hardest top two of all time.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And I was like, do y'all remember that conversation?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Did y'all have that conversation that being like the fandom
is kind of splitting us and trying to put us
against each other.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I mean, girl, yeah, I just wanted tod y'all talk
about it. Yeah, like we were in a reality TV show.
So I think if I'm gonna speak for my half
of it, I think, Brooke, what I really respected about
you throughout that whole process is you were always I
don't know, you were very self aware and you were
very not full of bullshit about what's going on. So like,
(11:00):
I don't know, I feel like we always we always
respect it. At least from my opinion, I always respected
that you were going to be my toughest competitor. And
when we came down to the end, like the fans
couldn't divide us anymore because bitch, I was already team
against you.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, exactly right, we are already against each other.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
No.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I definitely like from the moment you walked into the workroom,
because our our season was very heavy on like the
pretty pageant girl. I would say, like lots of like
really pretty like and lots of pageant girls in there too.
And then Eedie walked in with a fucking chicken feather
boa race car.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I didn't know there were better birds.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I was like, where is Pete right?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Seriously, but I just took one look at her and
took one look at everyone else. And I wasn't a
producer at that point, but I already kind of had
put a little producer hat on. I was like, Oh,
she's gonna be here for a while, because you don't
bring someone this different and then interesting in and then
have them not stick around. And then she obviously proved
(12:05):
her metal throughout the season. And yeah, when I got
to the end and everyone was just like you were robbed,
you robbed, I just didn't say anything because what, like,
what can you say?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Girl?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
You could tell people to shut the hell up.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
But that just feeds into it more. If I've learned
one thing, if you if you want something to go away,
just don't say anything, like literally at all. The minute
you open your mouth, it just adds oxygen to the fire.
And there were a lot of I also saw a
lot of people saying celebrating Evie's win. I did see
that as well.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Did I'm curious, though, Broke, Like, is there any part
of you legit that, like, you know, it felt like
you deserved that win, like not even you were robbed,
but like, is there a part of you that at
any point in time was like, damn, that really was
like a fantastic run for me. It would have made
(13:02):
a like I would have made a great ambassador for
season eleven. Like, because I've said this before another podcast,
but I remember a walkthrough with ru in the workroom
where she like was going through the girls or whatever,
and she got to you and she's like, we've been
trying to get you on here for what two or
three years favorite And that was my like, oh shit, producer,
(13:26):
cap On, she's going to be here.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, I mean I did. I did have a really
good run on the show. Statistically, I had a better
run than you did. I won more challenges. I think
I was in the top more. But you also I
kind of peaked a little bit early to mid on.
I did well all the way through, but like you
kind of really rose right at the right time in
the season. You know, like you hadn't you had your
(13:50):
challenge when I think second episode, but then near the
end is where you really really got going. And that's
kind of when it matters to get going in the season.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I think, bit you were bound to be a producer.
Look at that.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
That answer also proves that Canadians are all really nice,
and I guess that's true.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I guess that's really true.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
There's a reason Brooklyn doesn't live in Canada anymore.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Okay, let's really call it out right here.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
You're probably the meanest person ever to come out of
that whole nice country.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I hope. So I want them to mean my legacy.
I hope that's the name of my biography, the meanest Canadian.
I love that. But like, honestly, like like I knew
I was after we filmed the final episode on set,
I knew I wasn't winning the show. Yeah, I just
(14:44):
I just had the I just had the you know
when you just have the feeling and then you have
to like wait nine months and like it because like
that was Evie's episode, like her Verse tour. They loved
her runway look and like they hated everything I did,
like everything I possibly did that and that was the
only episode that I got like nope, back across the
board from everyone, and I was like, oh okay, So
(15:06):
like I kind of had that feeling and that's fine,
but all like going into the show, honestly, it was
never like my goal to win. Obviously I wanted to win,
but I was I wanted to be on drag Race.
I didn't want to win drag Race.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Wait, but is that kind of crazy though, because then
why go on drag Race if you never wanted to win? Like,
I feel like I'm very pro Bob when he talks
about why go on a competition show if you are
not expecting to be number one?
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, the exposure, girl, tee, the exposure.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Are you always getting that?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I mean you y'all did, of course, but I think
it's been very clear. I mean, you're the first queen
to get a franchise, so we could talk about that. Yeah, exposure,
But also I don't think it works for everyone.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
There are some queens that we don't talk about totally.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
But remember when we were on Drag Race. It was
kind of coming off of that time where everybody, like
there weren't all these other franchises happening, so like the
focus of the drag Race universe was solely on us
drag Race. So those girls like on the season got
a lot more exposure and really, like I would say,
it's fair to say, like everyone kind of got like
a pretty decent year no matter where you placed, unless
(16:24):
like people really weren't vibing with you of working stuff
off that. So I was going on the show yet again,
and yes I did, like I did want to win,
but I'm also Canadian, so I was like me, like
second place, that's Canadian first, like a very Canadian that way,
that's that's literally if we get a silver medal, it's
the best thing in the entire world. So and that's
(16:45):
what I got. So I didn't like, I wasn't going
on like, oh I'm going to I'm not gonna I'm
gonna win this show. I wanted to go on get exposure.
I wanted to create moments like like the whole like
Poncho reveals, Like I wanted a moment like that because
that's like if you look at the show and look
at the queens that were are super successful from the show,
(17:07):
like Banjie or whatever, they it's because they had a
stupid little moment that went viral and that and that
people clung to. And I saw that's what I wanted.
And me and Evie got another one with our lip sync.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, they'd say sorry not sorry? Was that moment?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
I am living? Come on, talk to so late.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Well girl, And like, what what a kind of moment
to get on a show where a lot of the
moments are like things that you not necessarily like you
you weren't meaning to create, Like, oh, I was just pissed,
so I said this thing, or I was just drunk,
so I did this thing. I think there is some
magic and getting to create a moment that was like
so so intentional and like such a good ocase of
(18:01):
like why why we're probably the best lip synkers to
have ever been in the lip sync together with each other.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I don't think I've listened to a Demi Levado song
as much as I have when I've watched you both
do Sorry not Sorry, Like yeah, from the beginning to
the end, it eats, and I I always wonder what
it means to have that sort of moment. I'm happy
you all are talking about it here, But then also
to be attached to a like a song that you
(18:31):
know you have to play at every gig and have
to do is that kind of like annoying? Are you
right playing with the wheel into the wheels fall off?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
No? I I think I did it for about a
year after the show, and then I was like, Okay,
we're done. I'm good, Like we got it. No, I
can't do I can't do it anymore.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Well, especially especially because like bitch, that what really made
that lip sync magical for me, at least watching it back,
was clearly seeing like the energy that you and I
had with each other in that moment where like whether
or not we were really perceiving each other. We both
knew that girl, this was going to be the battle,
and so we had this exchange of back and forth.
(19:13):
And there's something robbed of that when you know you're
just like bopping around Hamburger Mary's. There's no rootcall there
offering to like put you down if you don't do
your best. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah, yeah, it was an amazing just that whole episode,
Like it was my worst episode statistically, but like my
best episode from the show, which just goes to show
you it's not about necessarily doing well, it's about the
moments you create when you're there. But yeah, I remember,
I remember like after the lip sync, I was like, oh,
(19:47):
we're both staying okay, Like I just before you even said,
I was like, and it was the quickest deliberation, Like
he walked back and then he came back and was like,
and I was I just kind of knew.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Wait, so the judges don't deliberate at the judges table.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
They like leave and then they come back.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
They don't usually deliberate all. So like after the lip sync,
what will happen is Rue will stand her sweatpants up,
she will she will walk offset to somewhere where none
of us can perceive anything, and then she'll come back
and announce the decision. And that was like one of
the times where like Brooklyn was saying, where she like
stood up, sweatpanted off, and then like was back in
(20:27):
a split. I think the only other time this quick.
I mean, I might be making this up, but the
only time I remember her making such an easy decision
was I don't think she left set for like Nina
and Silky's lip sync. Like I don't remember her like
even leaving.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Her little conversation behind the fan, like, bitch, are you
sure we can't We can't just end the show right now?
That is terrible.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I mean, I love us talking about drag race, and
we'll continue to talk about it throughout this conversation. But
what I really wanted to talk about one that season,
you were the Nashville Queen and this is our first
time meeting.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I am from Nashville, grew up.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
My first goal, literally my first gay bar was play
Nashville when I was sneaking in at sixteen, Oh my god,
with my gay friends, and I just remember how like
impactful one that time was for me, especially growing up
in Nashville. Talk to us a little bit about it.
(21:29):
Do you miss Nashville? You missed that time in your life?
Play Nashville specifically, not Nashville because it sucks politically.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
That's what I was just gonna say. It's very hard
because I loved my time at play Nashville. I mean,
I think Playnashville. I was just back there actually for
the Playmate reunion and the bar and the business they've
created there is and I've been all over the country
at this point, one of the best I've seen, Like
just the way they have it set up for the queens.
(21:56):
The queens we all have dressing rooms backstage, so like
you can go to work, put on your drag, do
your gig, take yourself off, go home, and you work
like three to four nights a week. They have a
great stage. You're treated really well. So I loved working there,
and I because it just felt like a professional thing.
(22:17):
It wasn't like you were like on an apple box
in the corner like basically go go dancing. You know,
one was paying attention to you, like it was a
show and people were there to see the show. And
I learned so much about dragon stuff that way. Hate
Nashville so absolutely so every time I go, literally every
time I have to go back there, I'm just like,
(22:38):
I haven't been back, and like, it's not even Nashville.
Oh I hate the weather. It's just muggy and hot
even in the winter. It's just gross. And then yeah,
just the clientele that's there, it's all just like Midwest
bachelorette parties, and like, yeah, it's just not my thing.
But I loved play the I loved working at plays
(23:00):
and being there.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
She said, played Nashville. This is your shout out amidst
a giant fucking Nashville.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Oh. I've been very vocal about my dislike of Nashville,
but always very sure to be like not because of play.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
But that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
It's so hard like actually being publicly being like, oh, yeah,
I'm from Nashville. I grew up like fifteen twenty minutes
outside of the city. Like it's actually a part of
my you know, of making me.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Who I am.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
But it also quickly taught me that this world is
just does not give a fuck about queer folks, are
black people, are anything of the intersections, And it's just
like Nashville is so interesting because you would also think,
which I don't know if a lot of people know this,
but Nashville also has like a really thriving, creative like community,
(23:48):
and it's often queer or it's often those folks that
exist in those like margins. And so it's like it's
for us, we make the good things about Nashville, right,
Like we are the good things about nash but everything
else just sucks.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
They're gonna they're gonna use that as like a travel
advertisement visits Nashville. We have good queers, everything else sucks.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah, it's just not and and it's the South in general.
For me, I just don't vibe with the South in general.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Give mean, like one really solid reason that you know,
Chicago feels homeier to you.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
It deals to me because I like big cities. I
like the energy of a big city at like the
buzz of a big city. But I also I don't
want to live like downtown in a big city, if
that makes sense, Like I don't want to be like
I just want to be big city adjacent, that's right,
But I don't want to be like in in the
big city. And I love Chicago because it's basically a
collection of neighborhoods. I think we have like seventy one
neighborhoods and they're all super beautiful and well, not all
(24:54):
of them, but most of them are super beautiful and
like pretty and very like mom and pop shops. And
it reminds me a lot of Toronto, but it feels
like Toronto with like a better city planner involved.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Woo.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
They really make use of like all of everything they
have to offer, like the lake, the lake shores, all
beaches and parks, shoes, and there's an amazing, amazing queer
community here. And I just also in this time we're
living and I just feel really safe here because we
have an amazing governor in Illinois who takes who's really
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really a great ally to the queer community. And it's
just it's a beautiful city. It's affordable. It is super
like in terms of big cities, like cost of living,
like for rent or if you want to buy a place,
super super affordable compared to like New York or LA.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
We've had you to go on and we've talked about
like Chicago summers. There's nothing like it, and I totally
feel like that's so real. However, Comma. There is just
nothing like me dealing with that fuck like winter. I
just don't want to do I've done it once where
because I have family that lives in Chicago and like
I but you know, I have my dog back there,
(26:07):
and I had her in a cute little Winny the
pool jacket. You know, very very kind of me. But
I just couldn't that that the winter is crazy. But
Queen of the North, of course.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, I mean I come, I come from Toronto. That
everyone's like Chicago winter, Chicago winter. It's the same as
a New York winter. It's the same as a Toronto winter.
It's winter. It's gonna be yea, I'm okay.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
But in New York at least, everything is so packed
in that you're like, oh no, it's negative two hundred
degrees outside. I don't want to go anywhere. And there's
still trade next door. There's like five hundred fags on
your block who are like, come keep me warm, daddy.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Absolutely absolutely. How is dating in Chicago? Is that something
that you do?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
No one wants to date me.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Okay, we are gonna get We're gonna we're gonna get
into this ship. Okay, because broke, I want to go.
I relate to you so hardcore on like one aspect
that I think if I had to put into words
like why we vibed, why we were at least understood
each other and had some sort of way to respect
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each other's journeys from the beginning, is we're both cats.
We're cat people, as in, we like our space, we
like our time, we have our boundaries. We want affection
how we want it. But you are not going to
sit up here and tell me that nobody wants you
like we We live in a big ass world with
(27:40):
eight billion people on it, and even if it's for
all the wrong reasons, there's somebody out there trying to
get them a piece of blh.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
There's definitely people who do want me. But it's never
like someone that I want. I guess I could, I
should say like, but it's just it's never like just yeah,
it's never. It's never a great option, let's put it
that way.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I think in general, trying to date as a RU
bitch is tough or whatever it is. It is difficult
being a celebrity for a minority community who also happens
to be the only community you can fuck. But but
did you notice, Like, I guess, did you notice it
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being even harder for you to connect or easier? Was
there any change for you when you started hosting a
franchise on top of just being a rue girl? You know,
I did.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
I didn't notice a huge difference. I think I think
more people, I think more drag queens were definitely like, hey,
how are you would love to be on the show,
And I'm like, I don't cast it, so.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
I don't care. I'm not I don't do that.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
But I haven't noticed a huge difference. I think people.
I think there's the biggest difference. I knew was like
going from the for Drag Race staff to Drag Race,
because that was like a big difference where the people
treated you and like just interacting with you. I found
that to be the biggest difference. But like going from
like contestant to host, I didn't notice a huge shift.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Well, I guess I would wonder, and you know, the
internalized like feinphobia and the mask for mass culture that
is like in queer spaces that is rooted and things
that like often queer people have to ciscay men specifically
have to learn. I wonder is does that also impact
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the ways that you date, right, because like, do people
automatically yes, you have drag queen fuckers, but like people
outside of that, do they want someone that dresses up
as a woman or like, like, uh, dresses up and
expresses themselves in this way?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Does that impact the way.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
That you you navigate kind of dating in this space?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Probably? I mean, unfortunately, the guys I tend to be
most attracted to are more in the masculine scale of things,
and I find that masculine guys date people who look
or like who look like them. Masculine guys also want
another masculine guy. So yeah, I don't know. I just
I've I feel very in a way lost in the
(30:18):
community because I just like, I know I'm a drag queen,
but I don't like know where I sit in Like,
I don't feel like I sit into any pockets. I
know I'm feminine, but I'm also like six', four So i'm,
Like i'm not like this little like twink like running.
Around i'm also almost forty so, like But i'm also
not like a muscle circuit. Gay i'm not a, Bear
(30:38):
i'm not like. Anything so Like i'm just kind OF
i feel LIKE i just kind of float between, everybody
AND i have like a lot OF i have a
lot of friends who are like, big muscly like circuit,
guys and THEN i have like twink, friends and THEN
i Liked but SO i kind of just like float
between all these like pockets of, people AND i just
don't feel LIKE i sit into any of.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Them there's a reason WHY i ask that because the
way they you talk about your like gender and the
way that you express your, gender it sounds like a
person like myself that identifies as a non binary, person,
right and, yeah it's like sisters when we see each,
other we see each.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Other is that something that you?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Know and you just said that you're, Forty i'm like
language has evolved in like experiences in finding out about
yourself also comes with more life being lived and wonder
if that's something that you've, explored like not just necessarily.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Being the heehemen of.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
All and then of, course LIKE i feel like drag
queens have kind of that layer of protection of some
ways they can kind of exist in the middle and
be called she, Her but like until you're like explicit like,
no this is my gender.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Identity that's, yeah until you're on the apps with no
face pick and you're, like, yeah, yeah my my pronouns
are hymn.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Hole i'm just s they them with long.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Coat oh my, god that is actually my. Identity, now
that is your.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
IDENTITY i people call me he a lot of, times
people call me, she even WHEN i look like, this
like and it's like it just none of it matters
to me, Personally LIKE i understand why it would bother
other people or it would be a thing for other,
people but for, me it just Like i'm like, he,
okay She, Okay so MAYBE i am non, binary But
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i'm also LIKE i don't want to be Like i'm
not binary BECAUSE i don't feel LIKE i need to declare.
That so it's just it's just one of those things
That i'm Just i'm kind of, like call me something
as long as you can. See that's HOW i feel about.
It just like it's so it doesn't it doesn't for me.
Personally it's never been a big.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
ISSUE i have to, say, though like oh fuck like You,
yeah talking to you sometimes breaks my heart broke because
LIKE i don't, KNOW I i relate to so much
of like what you said about feeling like you're floating between,
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categories floating between, people and it.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Was it was specifically that feeling that led me to,
drag that made me like that that very fiery person
that we met as BECAUSE i didn't have a, place
SO i was fighting down like all these communities and
IT'S i don't, know it's just it's strange for me
to see somebody who is so, revered is so so
(33:36):
loved and, like it's it's a weird reminder that like
we all still are are dealing with our bullshit and, yeah,
girl it's just so strange BECAUSE i feel like if
you it all comes down to like. US i feel
like if you like were the cunt that you are
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in drag about the rest of your, life like if you, were, like,
YES i fit everywhere clearly on the diva in the,
room just like but it's also an act AND i.
Understand but you know.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
How weird you're that bitch bitch, Now but do you
know how beautiful that is to like hear both of
you who are both these drag stars and someone who
is not in that space at all and just kind
of has been a, fan has watched you all ON.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Tv it's it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
To know that, like no matter, what no matter how
stunning or how much like talent is inside of, Us
like we all deal with the same levels of, insecurities
Right like we still all like feel those human things
and it just it. REALLY i think that's the reason
why a lot of people like see themselves In, Drag
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they see themselves in the work that you all put
out into the. World it's really really. Beautiful thank.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
You, well, YEAH i just like the OLDER i. GET
i think WHEN i was, YOUNGER i definitely tried to
put on an air of LIKE I i didn't even
try to put it. On it's just the WAY i carry.
MYSELF i, Know i'm very non, approachable AND i KNOW
i can be a little bit, cold and it's BECAUSE
i have good posture and that's not my.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Fault and YOU'RE i, mean you're a ballet, dancer like
a ballet, Dancers, yeah yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
But we're very, like like LIKE ev, said very cat.
Like And i'm and like when you first meet, Me
i'm not a super loud. PERSON i must sit back
and observer kind of. Person SO i understand all these
things of like why people have these conceptions of me
That i'm a bitch and all that, stuff But i'm really.
Not i'm a Very i'm a very sensitive. Person i'm
a VERY i feel a lot of, things AND i
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feel them very. Deeply AND i think the Older i've,
Gotten i've been able to and especially with hosting the
show and, STUFF i just want to the KIDS i
judge and. STUFF i just LIKE i want to more
in part on them THAT i go through things, too
AND i understand what it's like being up, there AND
i understand the feeling they're having and it's, okay and
(36:03):
like this doesn't make them, crazy BECAUSE i think when
you're in that, bubble you can a lot of times
feel crazy and feel very. Alone and just to let
them know, that, like LIKE i struggle with shit, too
just because like your famous doesn't mean like all your
problems goes go. Away in, fact a lot of times
it means you get a lot more of, them.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Or that the ones that already existed are like.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Exacerbated oh under the magnifying, Girl like that's Why that's
WHY i was like so touched by what you were.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Saying is it took Drag race shining a light on
all the things THAT i was saying about, like, Oh
i'm such a weirdo And i'm such an outsider to,
see like for me to, see but you are literally
pushing like pushing people. Away mind, you that is a
competition show AND i did really badly want to.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Win but.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
You're not worried about this Day roupos friends. Race you
know that's, real.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
But underneath, that It's it's strange how getting to see
yourself reflected back ON tv can help you learn something
about maybe what you want out of the, future your,
Relationships what's something you've. Seen it can Be canada's Drag,
race it can be A nutrogena n air, commercial but, like,
(37:18):
really What's what's something you've seen a reflected back ON
tv that has helped you?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Learn that's helped me, LEARN i think, Definitely like during
there's a couple of things like during our, SEASON i
THINK i learned THAT i need, to LIKE i, said
not take myself so seriously and not be such like
a pageant ballerina and just learned to it's okay to be,
stupid and because like the whole point of the show
really is to make, laugh like that's why we're all,
(37:45):
There like so just to like relax it just like
just relax a little bit and just have fun and
let yourself. Go AND i think For canada's Drag, Race
i've learned THAT i have to kind of WHICH I
i'm a very direct person and like, AGAIN i come
from we all, KNOW i come from the ballet. World
and just like when you get a critique or, correction
(38:07):
it was, like this is what's? Wrong it was? Bad fix.
It she has the face of an angel and the
personality of a. Gargoyle it's my, spirit Delicious and when
life gives you, lemons try another franchise of Drag, Race.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Lemon you know what they, say.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Everything's bigger In texas except the. Talent It's Kennedy. Davenport
so that's that's kind of the WAY i critique, people
AND i have to kind of learn to like soften
that a little bit and like wind my way in,
there and, like BUT i, WISH i WISH i didn't
have to do, that quite, honestly BECAUSE i feel like
THAT'S i wanted just to be able to be, like,
hey that was. Horrible, yeah maybe let's not do. It
(38:50):
maybe let's not do that. Again but, yeah BUT i
understand that not all people will receive it that. Way
and so, yeah, wait.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
So when you hear queens are the fan base compare
international seasons to Like american, seasons how annoying is?
Speaker 2 (39:08):
That because it seems.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Like the way that you talk About Canada's Drag, race
it's like it's your love and one you, know it's it's,
great and so, like how do you receive what's your
reaction to?
Speaker 2 (39:22):
That when you hear.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
People kind of shitting on international like seasons and like, FRANCHISES.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
I don't. Care that's HOW i. FEEL i don't. Care
it's so. LEGIT i don't. Care and here's the, thing
LIKE i, realized probably like a couple of years, ago
for the first, TIME i was, like they just shit on.
Everything people shit on. Everything they don't just shoot on international.
(39:50):
Seasons they shot On American Drag. Race they should On,
RuPaul they should on, me they should On, nikki. Everybody
we all get. It and it's really comforting to. Know
AND i realized that BECAUSE i guess Like room made
a decision or something that people didn't agree with and
they were just, like, yeah there's our worst season Of
Drag race. Ever AND i was, like, oh, see it
happens to, Mother so if it happens to, mother like, yeah,
(40:15):
like it's not just me like SOME i remember during
the first season Of Canada's Drag, race it was very
like BECAUSE i didn't really receive a lot of hate
on my, season and then the first season Of Canada's Drag,
RACE i didn't receive a lot of, hate SO i
wasn't really familiar with that kind of title wave of
negativity coming at you until season one Of Canada's Drag.
(40:37):
Race and then people had, opinions AND i, MEAN i
get why they had, opinions but that was really hard
to deal. With so that definitely took a. Moment and
THEN i think the LONGER i do, it the MORE
i just relax And i'm, like it's. Fine and also
like people will be mad for two days and then
(40:58):
another episode of another, Season aaron will be mad at that,
one and like it's just not that. Serious.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
OKAY I i really like that you said, that Because
i'm somebody who is really actually in love with the
fact that queer people have a. Sport for, us we
have a whole sports show we can. Watch we have
like a whole franchise that we can get into and
get into fights about but just like sports fans like, girl,
(41:24):
none none of it is that. Serious and LIKE i
love to talk. Shit i'm a negative. Person, girl you
survived the whole scenason of me just being being.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
KIND i.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Did we sat there and we were the meanest people about.
Everybody only one of us might have caught it all
all on, camera BUT.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
I. WAS i. WAS i was. Smart but LIKE i
like to talk.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Shit it is how you critique the world around. YOU
i do. Too, yeah you smart ass bitch.
Speaker 6 (41:55):
Whatever she was a producer from the. Job but, like
that's the thing. Is we should be able to talk
ship without it meaning. Anything you should be able to
give love without it meaning. Anything and instead of like
flooding somebody's bullshit without with all the shenanigans that really don't.
MATTER i want to see people start coming up to
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me in person and saying the sorts of things they say.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Online i'll never do, that, HONEY i would pay.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
THEM i will never do. THAT i will pay you
if you hate, ME i will pay you to come
to one of my, shows which means you're also paying
me to and just say some rude ship to. Me
just like say, it BECAUSE i want to see how
it feels doing it in. Person it's probably gonna pop.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Chubs, well HOW i say how much money is on
the table SO i can come to you.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
THAT i was, like.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Be, like, listen you trash. Bag, ye here's a bar
that just split this. Split i'm there all.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Right so we love to ask every guest on the,
show what are you high key about? Currently and that
could be literally ANYTHING i am high key, about cia
thriller dramas ON.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Tv which one are you? Watching tell us, now, honey.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
ANYTHING i don't know if it's the environment we're living,
in but like, Anything LIKE i Loved house Of, CARDS
i LOVED i just Watched, Homeland Bitch. Homeland, Yeah Madam
secretary The, Diplomats, oh such a GOOD i just started
watching have you ever have you ever Watched Alias No one.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
Where she wears a bunch of?
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Wigs, right, yeah so OBVIOUSLY i was, Like, Okay i'm into.
It but it's because it's like. That it's like, that
but it's like early two, thousands like super like, cheesy
like the music and everything is so, cheesy and it's.
Amazing Training Missi.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
Viston seven years, AGO i was recruited by a secret
brand to the closest.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
SIS i was trained as.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
A spy one not to tell anyone THAT i.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Did So, YEAH i don't know what it is about,
those Because i'm not usually a person who likes tense
situations or likes stuff like, That but for some, reason
this specific VEIN i really.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Enjoy oh my, god, Well, Brooklyn, hi thank you so
much for joining. US i appreciate you for being on
high key contact anytime you.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
WANT i will anytime you want.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Me, yes thank you for coming down to.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
Visit of, COURSE i love you both THAT.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
I really liked talking To. Brooke like every TIME i
talk With, brooklyn we do hit these like really deep
notes that you can tell like there are parts of
her that she feels oh, Deeply and that's not the
stuff that people tune into Drag race to, See like
they don't they don't always want to see like the
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little cracks as much as we show. It AND i don't,
know it's just really really nice getting to talk to
her because she's a tough nut to, crack AND i
still feel like she got to talk about some some
really deep.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Stuff it's really, LIKE i think that's What i've been
enjoying about every queen that comes on this, show BECAUSE
i think we've been intentional about like not just wanting
this to be like a drag race show and just
like in, that but like when queens do come, on
they are having like a layer in like a level
of conversation with us where and it really allows us
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to like see them in new ways and hear from
them in new. Ways AND i Think brooklyn has just
yet another testament to, that because, yeah it's it was really.
Beautiful i've heard her talk about like her relationships and
all the, things but Like i've never heard Like i've
never been. Able i've always wondered about kind of like
how she navigate it's her own gender identity and and
just like her the understanding of. Herself And I'm I'M
(46:07):
i love that she is your your.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Sister y'all together are just.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Brilliant LIKE i literally could just watch you all forever and.
Ever AND I i love being like a little fly
on the, wall but also being like and the like the,
passengers just like getting to get like all the, Tea
like y'all don't, know y'are you had to.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
Drive that Because i'm pretty sure nobody wants. Either brooklyn
or eye behind the wheel of a car you were
driving the whole.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Thing, no BUT i just mean in this it's, LIKE
i just really like, YA i. DON'T i am such
a fan of, like And i'm constantly reminded of.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
That i'm never going to like ever stop saying. It
i'm such a fan of.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
You i'm such a fan of the queens that we
have on this damn show Where i'm just, like, bitch
this feels like, sacred Like i've opened up like the
like a spell, book And i'm getting all the teasing everything.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Well if it's worth, anything, Right and that's HOW i
feel getting to share this whole whole experience with. You
it's like one big green, room just one big broom
closet in a sweaty bar somewhere Where i'm key keating
with PEOPLE i never THOUGHT i, WOULD.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
I, know which honestly gives us right into our hi.
Keys what are you hikey about?
Speaker 2 (47:22):
This?
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Okay, okay so Uh i'm DEFINITELY i almost regret saying
THAT i was high key off Of mexican food last,
week BECAUSE i was dealing with the repercussions of that
high key for for like three or four.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Days how long were you were you Occupying.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
I'm still occupying. It So i've had To i've had
to shift my high key away from that. Realm and,
honestly right, Now i'm very very high key about just
like being. Outside AND i know that's. Terrible it's like
a terrible open ended high, key but Like i've really been.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
And what you've done? Before are you?
Speaker 4 (48:08):
Okay, well Then i'll Get i'll get more. Specific i'm
hi key about being outside after dark. ALONE i, REALLY
i really. AM i like BECAUSE i enjoyed people, watching
but more than, THAT i really enjoy just feeling Like
i'm in the, apocalypse but like like the peaceful version
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of it, girl because like you wake up every day
and you're getting like news. Headlines that's like you're in the.
Apocalypse so when DO i get to do my Like Will,
SMITH i am legend moment and just like walk through
walk through an empty city and be, like, wow remember
when the world was young and vibrant or. Whatever So
i'm hikey about, That still hikey about going, Outside still
(48:53):
hikey About mexican, Food And i'm hikey about whatever you're hikey.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
About Ran oh my, God, well the crazy thing Is
i'm my high key is sort of you, coded like
it's sort of evy, coded because AND i don't know
if the audience wants to know that much about, me
BUT i. WAS i was doing some kind of like
not spring cleaning but fall cleaning of my like, closet
AND i found Something i'm very high key. ABOUT i
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am high key about this sex toy THAT i forgot
THAT i had THAT i can't wait to use.
Speaker 4 (49:23):
Soon. Wow that is so me, coded it's so you
Coded i've.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
BEEN i was, like it's it was in the back
of my closet THAT i forgot all.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
ABOUT i had to because One i'm.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Giving away, Things i'm throwing things, out And i'm like
taking things to the thrift, store you, know repurposing all
of my wonderful. Clothes AND i found this AND i
was just, like where have you?
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Been?
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Uh, girls this is What i'm high key about and
so excited. About pleasure self. Pleasure if that a?
Speaker 4 (49:53):
Baby, wait tell me what kind of what kind of
sex AM i like waiting?
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The way that you talk about Canada's drag race. It's like,
it's your love and what's your reaction to that? When
you hear people kind of shitting on international like seasons,
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
That's how I feel.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I don't care what.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I've decided to be coming back on dating apps.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's the worst decision.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Honestly, I should put myself in the corner like time
out because I'm there. No, no, But it's it's crazy
because the people that I see in their bios, like
I hate someone who goes on long ass rants in
their bios of being like setting these crazy rules instead
of just like being there simply to like have sex with.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Someone with someone.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Oh my god, I saw this long rant about like
if you paint your nails, don't you we are not
a match. I'm like, and if you wear a makeup,
we are not a match. And I'm like, you sound
so fun. You sound like a dream come true.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Don't you.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Okay, you know what's hilarious is I was on the
Sledops recently and was talking about was talking about the
same shit with Doug and came across this profile though
it was like just a fun guy looking for a
fun time, and then literally after that it's like no fems,
not into just bjs, oh, no condoms, no drugs of
(01:24):
any kind, no sex after four pm or before eleven am,
no smile. I was like, girl, you cannot say I'm
here for fun and then have a paragraph of nose
after it.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
And just as it makes sense to me, and it's like,
I understand everyone should of course have sex with the
people that they want to have sex with. But then
that's where I start to like throw red flags everywhere
when I just am like okay, and one breath, you're complaining.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
About like not being able to meet someone, and there's out.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Like gay people are all open and there's no monogamy
and blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Bye. You go on this laundry list of why someone
doesn't want you.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
But then you look at your dating profile, you look
at the sex apps, and like you see that you're
listing seventy thousand things that are automatically putting you. You're
isolating everyone, So it's like, what, so, what's the what's
the real one?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
It's like easy enough to just not answer messages you're
not interested in, like, and I know there's a whole
debate about like whether you should be messaging them back,
and let me tell y'all, now, I owe you nothing
that is real. I owe you nothing. You owe me nothing.
Even if we've been messaging all day and we're like, ooh,
we're about to get together. What's your address? And you
(02:41):
go ghost girl, You're good, You are good. You don't
need to apologize to me. Yeah, it gets a sex app.
It is not that serious.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I am a girl that will if someone like hits
me up and I'm not interested, I'll just immediately block.
And honestly I'm okay with that. Like I want someone
to do the same to me if they're not in
to it, like totally. I like, I don't need to
make this more complicated than it is, because, honey, I'm
already I'm already on a clock where I have spent
so much time doing my big one, trying to get
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ready for this moment that I'm preparing for myself, and
I don't got time to go back and forth on
if you find me attractive or not.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
No, get I need a one plus one I match so.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
We can be up to girl. The get what they
get done. And this is your PSA if you are
on the sluttiest of slough apps, you better get to
business at least with me girl. Like I I've started
trying to edge my profile into telling people like, hey, y'all,
I'm only in town literally for tonight. I only have
(03:41):
right until I'm getting and dragged for hours and then
getting on a plane. So like, but there's no polite,
kind cute, sexy way of being like, I have an
hour to fuck and don't waste my time.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Have you hooked up right after you've done drag? Oh?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, like and you're still full like face and like outfit.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Everything like a few a few times.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
They're not usually things that like I'm super proud of
her into though. They're usually like, oh, I'm really drunk
and I live a block away from the club.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It's click, it's door dash right there.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Exactly, Like you know, I just go out on the
prowl in the club in my little heels, so I'm
like extra tall and can see everyone. I go reel
out my rope and then I'm like, we're going back
and we're gonna do it in my roommate's room.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Which, speaking of you're actually in the city, you're in
New York.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I mean, I don't want to dodge you or anything,
but you're in New York and it's it's fashion Week.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
How's it been, you'le.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Tab Yeah, thank you? It was okay. So I only
did I only did one thing this year because that's
as much as uh of being in the fashion world
as I can handle out a time.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
So really, she is a serious I one who used
to work in it.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I totally she is a serious and girl. I am
a joke girl. I get one show a year as
long as you're fine with my bullshit. And I'm very,
very thankful that this year my friend zero Waste Daniel
asked me to perform for him again because this is
the second year in a row he's done a fashion
(05:18):
show instead of like a legitimate show. Yeah, and this
year's theme was like sustainable fashion is a drag And
it was just so so cool getting to be out
on that stage with like some of these amazing New
York legends, ye of people who had paved the way,
like some of the grittiest, funniest, wildest like artists coming
(05:42):
up in the city. I got to see King Molasses
really fine.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Oh, I know you were standing because you're obsessed.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Oh he is so fine, Like yeah, it was just beautiful.
And I really love the work that Daniel does in
the world because you know, the fashion industry is a
place that is not easy to break into with morals
and with this like specific vision for sure, and he's
just so beautiful about including our community making us feel beautiful.
(06:13):
And he's a good ass person and a great aus designer.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I mean, the looks was incredible.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
If you're not following Evey on Instagram, you should be,
and I'm sure every fucking listener that listens to this
podcast is. But I'm just saying the the lip sync
and the look was stunning, Like the classiest clown I've
ever fucking seen.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Thank you very much what I was going for. I
wanted to give big top energy. Yes, how was your weekend? Though?
What's what's going on in LA right now?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Oh? My gosh.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So, I mean Top of Mine is hung out with
Demmy Levado.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Really cool, really cool experience.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Demmy had a music single release party for her new
kind of Error that she's launching into. And here's the thing.
I've interviewed Demmy when Demmy was day then and was
yelling at Ice cream shops because they weren't gluten or
some shit.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Like I interviewed Demmy around that moment.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
But seeing Demi in this new headspace in this moment,
especially with her new album that she just like dropped
the cover for, and it being like it's not that deep,
that's literally her energy, Like she just seems like lighter
and like it was so much fun. However, Cammon, I
hate going to those sort of events because it's just
like influencer like paloozo oh yeah, and it's just everybody
(07:32):
like trying to be seen while I'm like, Okay, I'm
only going to be here for a second, get a
little photo with Demmy, and then immediately go to my
friend's birthday thing right after this, and I'm just like,
I'm not staying here all day. I'm also not begging
for attention in that way, which no, shaye, I'm not
trying to be shady, but also like the girls, please relax,
act like you've been somewhere girl.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
That's like what it feels like.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
I got to go to Willow's last album release party,
and it was so cool that it was my first
time being like in that sort of space. I got
to see her perform live and it was beautiful. And
then once that part was over, it was like, you know,
like piranhas in the water, like all the people just
suddenly like.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Okay, okay, oh my god, here's my next project in Okay, okay, okay, I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Suking a picture with me.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
But no, it was a really fun time and it
was really really great and hopefully, fingers crossed, maybe one day.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
We can get to me on the show, because that
would be everything.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I mean, that would be really insane because tangentially she
changed my life with just one song, and that actually
happens to be coming into play today because the other
person whose life she changed with that song is coming
on the show today. As our guest. We have Brooklyn Heights,
(08:52):
the Queen of the North, the rob Queen of Season eleven,
here on set looking ready to break up with miss
Vangie again.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Oh my god, and make way for me, yes please,
Brooklyn Heights is coming up right next.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Hike. All right, So.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Y'all may know our guests as the Queen of the North,
or you may have described her in Stan RuPaul Drag
Race Wars.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
The Real winner of RuPaul's Drag.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Race Season eleven welcome to hike Brooklyn Heights.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Never fear. The Queen of the North is here.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
She international Hi, Hello, Queen, my queen. Thanks for coming.
You're contractually obligated to say.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
That, but I also mean it.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I just I was doing such a deep dive one
Brooklyn is so nice to meet you, Like, I'm such
a fan.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Obsessed nice to meet you too.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
But I was laying in bed, scrolling and doing like
a deep dive, and I just went all the way
to like when you two. Of course, when Evie won
and like you were on Instagram, you congratulated her, and
literally all the comments were so in the middle. They
were like either Brooklyn got robbed, either it was all Evy,
or this was the hardest top two of all time.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And I was like, do y'all remember that conversation?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Did y'all have that conversation that being like the fandom
is kind of splitting us and trying to put us
against each other.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I mean, girl, yeah, I just wanted tod y'all talk
about it. Yeah, like we were in a reality TV show.
So I think if I'm gonna speak for my half
of it, I think, Brooke, what I really respected about
you throughout that whole process is you were always I
don't know, you were very self aware and you were
very not full of bullshit about what's going on. So like,
(11:00):
I don't know, I feel like we always we always
respect it. At least from my opinion, I always respected
that you were going to be my toughest competitor. And
when we came down to the end, like the fans
couldn't divide us anymore because bitch, I was already team
against you.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, exactly right, we are already against each other.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
No.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I definitely like from the moment you walked into the workroom,
because our our season was very heavy on like the
pretty pageant girl. I would say, like lots of like
really pretty like and lots of pageant girls in there too.
And then Eedie walked in with a fucking chicken feather
boa race car.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I didn't know there were better birds.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I was like, where is Pete right?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Seriously, but I just took one look at her and
took one look at everyone else. And I wasn't a
producer at that point, but I already kind of had
put a little producer hat on. I was like, Oh,
she's gonna be here for a while, because you don't
bring someone this different and then interesting in and then
have them not stick around. And then she obviously proved
(12:05):
her metal throughout the season. And yeah, when I got
to the end and everyone was just like you were robbed,
you robbed, I just didn't say anything because what, like,
what can you say?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Girl?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
You could tell people to shut the hell up.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
But that just feeds into it more. If I've learned
one thing, if you if you want something to go away,
just don't say anything, like literally at all. The minute
you open your mouth, it just adds oxygen to the fire.
And there were a lot of I also saw a
lot of people saying celebrating Evie's win. I did see
that as well.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Did I'm curious, though, Broke, Like, is there any part
of you legit that, like, you know, it felt like
you deserved that win, like not even you were robbed,
but like, is there a part of you that at
any point in time was like, damn, that really was
like a fantastic run for me. It would have made
(13:02):
a like I would have made a great ambassador for
season eleven. Like, because I've said this before another podcast,
but I remember a walkthrough with ru in the workroom
where she like was going through the girls or whatever,
and she got to you and she's like, we've been
trying to get you on here for what two or
three years favorite And that was my like, oh shit, producer,
(13:26):
cap On, she's going to be here.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, I mean I did. I did have a really
good run on the show. Statistically, I had a better
run than you did. I won more challenges. I think
I was in the top more. But you also I
kind of peaked a little bit early to mid on.
I did well all the way through, but like you
kind of really rose right at the right time in
the season. You know, like you hadn't you had your
(13:50):
challenge when I think second episode, but then near the
end is where you really really got going. And that's
kind of when it matters to get going in the season.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I think, bit you were bound to be a producer.
Look at that.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
That answer also proves that Canadians are all really nice,
and I guess that's true.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I guess that's really true.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
There's a reason Brooklyn doesn't live in Canada anymore.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Okay, let's really call it out right here.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
You're probably the meanest person ever to come out of
that whole nice country.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I hope. So I want them to mean my legacy.
I hope that's the name of my biography, the meanest Canadian.
I love that. But like, honestly, like like I knew
I was after we filmed the final episode on set,
I knew I wasn't winning the show. Yeah, I just
(14:44):
I just had the I just had the you know
when you just have the feeling and then you have
to like wait nine months and like it because like
that was Evie's episode, like her Verse tour. They loved
her runway look and like they hated everything I did,
like everything I possibly did that and that was the
only episode that I got like nope, back across the
board from everyone, and I was like, oh okay, So
(15:06):
like I kind of had that feeling and that's fine,
but all like going into the show, honestly, it was
never like my goal to win. Obviously I wanted to win,
but I was I wanted to be on drag Race.
I didn't want to win drag Race.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Wait, but is that kind of crazy though, because then
why go on drag Race if you never wanted to win? Like,
I feel like I'm very pro Bob when he talks
about why go on a competition show if you are
not expecting to be number one?
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, the exposure, girl, tee, the exposure.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Are you always getting that?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I mean you y'all did, of course, but I think
it's been very clear. I mean, you're the first queen
to get a franchise, so we could talk about that. Yeah, exposure,
But also I don't think it works for everyone.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
There are some queens that we don't talk about totally.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
But remember when we were on Drag Race. It was
kind of coming off of that time where everybody, like
there weren't all these other franchises happening, so like the
focus of the drag Race universe was solely on us
drag Race. So those girls like on the season got
a lot more exposure and really, like I would say,
it's fair to say, like everyone kind of got like
a pretty decent year no matter where you placed, unless
(16:24):
like people really weren't vibing with you of working stuff
off that. So I was going on the show yet again,
and yes I did, like I did want to win,
but I'm also Canadian, so I was like me, like
second place, that's Canadian first, like a very Canadian that way,
that's that's literally if we get a silver medal, it's
the best thing in the entire world. So and that's
(16:45):
what I got. So I didn't like, I wasn't going
on like, oh I'm going to I'm not gonna I'm
gonna win this show. I wanted to go on get exposure.
I wanted to create moments like like the whole like
Poncho reveals, Like I wanted a moment like that because
that's like if you look at the show and look
at the queens that were are super successful from the show,
(17:07):
like Banjie or whatever, they it's because they had a
stupid little moment that went viral and that and that
people clung to. And I saw that's what I wanted.
And me and Evie got another one with our lip sync.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, they'd say sorry not sorry? Was that moment?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
I am living? Come on, talk to so late.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Well girl, And like, what what a kind of moment
to get on a show where a lot of the
moments are like things that you not necessarily like you
you weren't meaning to create, Like, oh, I was just pissed,
so I said this thing, or I was just drunk,
so I did this thing. I think there is some
magic and getting to create a moment that was like
so so intentional and like such a good ocase of
(18:01):
like why why we're probably the best lip synkers to
have ever been in the lip sync together with each other.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I don't think I've listened to a Demi Levado song
as much as I have when I've watched you both
do Sorry not Sorry, Like yeah, from the beginning to
the end, it eats, and I I always wonder what
it means to have that sort of moment. I'm happy
you all are talking about it here, But then also
to be attached to a like a song that you
(18:31):
know you have to play at every gig and have
to do is that kind of like annoying? Are you
right playing with the wheel into the wheels fall off?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
No? I I think I did it for about a
year after the show, and then I was like, Okay,
we're done. I'm good, Like we got it. No, I
can't do I can't do it anymore.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Well, especially especially because like bitch, that what really made
that lip sync magical for me, at least watching it back,
was clearly seeing like the energy that you and I
had with each other in that moment where like whether
or not we were really perceiving each other. We both
knew that girl, this was going to be the battle,
and so we had this exchange of back and forth.
(19:13):
And there's something robbed of that when you know you're
just like bopping around Hamburger Mary's. There's no rootcall there
offering to like put you down if you don't do
your best. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah, yeah, it was an amazing just that whole episode,
Like it was my worst episode statistically, but like my
best episode from the show, which just goes to show
you it's not about necessarily doing well, it's about the
moments you create when you're there. But yeah, I remember,
I remember like after the lip sync, I was like, oh,
(19:47):
we're both staying okay, Like I just before you even said,
I was like, and it was the quickest deliberation, Like
he walked back and then he came back and was like,
and I was I just kind of knew.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Wait, so the judges don't deliberate at the judges table.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
They like leave and then they come back.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
They don't usually deliberate all. So like after the lip sync,
what will happen is Rue will stand her sweatpants up,
she will she will walk offset to somewhere where none
of us can perceive anything, and then she'll come back
and announce the decision. And that was like one of
the times where like Brooklyn was saying, where she like
stood up, sweatpanted off, and then like was back in
(20:27):
a split. I think the only other time this quick.
I mean, I might be making this up, but the
only time I remember her making such an easy decision
was I don't think she left set for like Nina
and Silky's lip sync. Like I don't remember her like
even leaving.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Her little conversation behind the fan, like, bitch, are you
sure we can't We can't just end the show right now?
That is terrible.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I mean, I love us talking about drag race, and
we'll continue to talk about it throughout this conversation. But
what I really wanted to talk about one that season,
you were the Nashville Queen and this is our first
time meeting.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I am from Nashville, grew up.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
My first goal, literally my first gay bar was play
Nashville when I was sneaking in at sixteen, Oh my god,
with my gay friends, and I just remember how like
impactful one that time was for me, especially growing up
in Nashville. Talk to us a little bit about it.
(21:29):
Do you miss Nashville? You missed that time in your life?
Play Nashville specifically, not Nashville because it sucks politically.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
That's what I was just gonna say. It's very hard
because I loved my time at play Nashville. I mean,
I think Playnashville. I was just back there actually for
the Playmate reunion and the bar and the business they've
created there is and I've been all over the country
at this point, one of the best I've seen, Like
just the way they have it set up for the queens.
(21:56):
The queens we all have dressing rooms backstage, so like
you can go to work, put on your drag, do
your gig, take yourself off, go home, and you work
like three to four nights a week. They have a
great stage. You're treated really well. So I loved working there,
and I because it just felt like a professional thing.
(22:17):
It wasn't like you were like on an apple box
in the corner like basically go go dancing. You know,
one was paying attention to you, like it was a
show and people were there to see the show. And
I learned so much about dragon stuff that way. Hate
Nashville so absolutely so every time I go, literally every
time I have to go back there, I'm just like,
(22:38):
I haven't been back, and like, it's not even Nashville.
Oh I hate the weather. It's just muggy and hot
even in the winter. It's just gross. And then yeah,
just the clientele that's there, it's all just like Midwest
bachelorette parties, and like, yeah, it's just not my thing.
But I loved play the I loved working at plays
(23:00):
and being there.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
She said, played Nashville. This is your shout out amidst
a giant fucking Nashville.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Oh. I've been very vocal about my dislike of Nashville,
but always very sure to be like not because of play.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
But that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
It's so hard like actually being publicly being like, oh, yeah,
I'm from Nashville. I grew up like fifteen twenty minutes
outside of the city. Like it's actually a part of
my you know, of making me.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Who I am.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
But it also quickly taught me that this world is
just does not give a fuck about queer folks, are
black people, are anything of the intersections, And it's just
like Nashville is so interesting because you would also think,
which I don't know if a lot of people know this,
but Nashville also has like a really thriving, creative like community,
(23:48):
and it's often queer or it's often those folks that
exist in those like margins. And so it's like it's
for us, we make the good things about Nashville, right,
Like we are the good things about nash but everything
else just sucks.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
They're gonna they're gonna use that as like a travel
advertisement visits Nashville. We have good queers, everything else sucks.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah, it's just not and and it's the South in general.
For me, I just don't vibe with the South in general.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Give mean, like one really solid reason that you know,
Chicago feels homeier to you.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
It deals to me because I like big cities. I
like the energy of a big city at like the
buzz of a big city. But I also I don't
want to live like downtown in a big city, if
that makes sense, Like I don't want to be like
I just want to be big city adjacent, that's right,
But I don't want to be like in in the
big city. And I love Chicago because it's basically a
collection of neighborhoods. I think we have like seventy one
neighborhoods and they're all super beautiful and well, not all
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of them, but most of them are super beautiful and
like pretty and very like mom and pop shops. And
it reminds me a lot of Toronto, but it feels
like Toronto with like a better city planner involved.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Woo.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
They really make use of like all of everything they
have to offer, like the lake, the lake shores, all
beaches and parks, shoes, and there's an amazing, amazing queer
community here. And I just also in this time we're
living and I just feel really safe here because we
have an amazing governor in Illinois who takes who's really
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really a great ally to the queer community. And it's
just it's a beautiful city. It's affordable. It is super
like in terms of big cities, like cost of living,
like for rent or if you want to buy a place,
super super affordable compared to like New York or LA.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
We've had you to go on and we've talked about
like Chicago summers. There's nothing like it, and I totally
feel like that's so real. However, Comma. There is just
nothing like me dealing with that fuck like winter. I
just don't want to do I've done it once where
because I have family that lives in Chicago and like
I but you know, I have my dog back there,
(26:07):
and I had her in a cute little Winny the
pool jacket. You know, very very kind of me. But
I just couldn't that that the winter is crazy. But
Queen of the North, of course.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, I mean I come, I come from Toronto. That
everyone's like Chicago winter, Chicago winter. It's the same as
a New York winter. It's the same as a Toronto winter.
It's winter. It's gonna be yea, I'm okay.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
But in New York at least, everything is so packed
in that you're like, oh no, it's negative two hundred
degrees outside. I don't want to go anywhere. And there's
still trade next door. There's like five hundred fags on
your block who are like, come keep me warm, daddy.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Absolutely absolutely. How is dating in Chicago? Is that something
that you do?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
No one wants to date me.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Okay, we are gonna get We're gonna we're gonna get
into this ship. Okay, because broke, I want to go.
I relate to you so hardcore on like one aspect
that I think if I had to put into words
like why we vibed, why we were at least understood
each other and had some sort of way to respect
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each other's journeys from the beginning, is we're both cats.
We're cat people, as in, we like our space, we
like our time, we have our boundaries. We want affection
how we want it. But you are not going to
sit up here and tell me that nobody wants you
like we We live in a big ass world with
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eight billion people on it, and even if it's for
all the wrong reasons, there's somebody out there trying to
get them a piece of blh.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
There's definitely people who do want me. But it's never
like someone that I want. I guess I could, I
should say like, but it's just it's never like just yeah,
it's never. It's never a great option, let's put it
that way.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I think in general, trying to date as a RU
bitch is tough or whatever it is. It is difficult
being a celebrity for a minority community who also happens
to be the only community you can fuck. But but
did you notice, Like, I guess, did you notice it
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being even harder for you to connect or easier? Was
there any change for you when you started hosting a
franchise on top of just being a rue girl? You know,
I did.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
I didn't notice a huge difference. I think I think
more people, I think more drag queens were definitely like, hey,
how are you would love to be on the show,
And I'm like, I don't cast it, so.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
I don't care. I'm not I don't do that.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
But I haven't noticed a huge difference. I think people.
I think there's the biggest difference. I knew was like
going from the for Drag Race staff to Drag Race,
because that was like a big difference where the people
treated you and like just interacting with you. I found
that to be the biggest difference. But like going from
like contestant to host, I didn't notice a huge shift.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Well, I guess I would wonder, and you know, the
internalized like feinphobia and the mask for mass culture that
is like in queer spaces that is rooted and things
that like often queer people have to ciscay men specifically
have to learn. I wonder is does that also impact
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the ways that you date, right, because like, do people
automatically yes, you have drag queen fuckers, but like people
outside of that, do they want someone that dresses up
as a woman or like, like, uh, dresses up and
expresses themselves in this way?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Does that impact the way.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
That you you navigate kind of dating in this space?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Probably? I mean, unfortunately, the guys I tend to be
most attracted to are more in the masculine scale of things,
and I find that masculine guys date people who look
or like who look like them. Masculine guys also want
another masculine guy. So yeah, I don't know. I just
I've I feel very in a way lost in the
(30:18):
community because I just like, I know I'm a drag queen,
but I don't like know where I sit in Like,
I don't feel like I sit into any pockets. I
know I'm feminine, but I'm also like six', four So i'm,
Like i'm not like this little like twink like running.
Around i'm also almost forty so, like But i'm also
not like a muscle circuit. Gay i'm not a, Bear
(30:38):
i'm not like. Anything so Like i'm just kind OF
i feel LIKE i just kind of float between, everybody
AND i have like a lot OF i have a
lot of friends who are like, big muscly like circuit,
guys and THEN i have like twink, friends and THEN
i Liked but SO i kind of just like float
between all these like pockets of, people AND i just
don't feel LIKE i sit into any of.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Them there's a reason WHY i ask that because the
way they you talk about your like gender and the
way that you express your, gender it sounds like a
person like myself that identifies as a non binary, person,
right and, yeah it's like sisters when we see each,
other we see each.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Other is that something that you?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Know and you just said that you're, Forty i'm like
language has evolved in like experiences in finding out about
yourself also comes with more life being lived and wonder
if that's something that you've, explored like not just necessarily.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Being the heehemen of.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
All and then of, course LIKE i feel like drag
queens have kind of that layer of protection of some
ways they can kind of exist in the middle and
be called she, Her but like until you're like explicit like,
no this is my gender.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Identity that's, yeah until you're on the apps with no
face pick and you're, like, yeah, yeah my my pronouns
are hymn.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Hole i'm just s they them with long.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Coat oh my, god that is actually my. Identity, now
that is your.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
IDENTITY i people call me he a lot of, times
people call me, she even WHEN i look like, this
like and it's like it just none of it matters
to me, Personally LIKE i understand why it would bother
other people or it would be a thing for other,
people but for, me it just Like i'm like, he,
okay She, Okay so MAYBE i am non, binary But
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i'm also LIKE i don't want to be Like i'm
not binary BECAUSE i don't feel LIKE i need to declare.
That so it's just it's just one of those things
That i'm Just i'm kind of, like call me something
as long as you can. See that's HOW i feel about.
It just like it's so it doesn't it doesn't for me.
Personally it's never been a big.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
ISSUE i have to, say, though like oh fuck like You,
yeah talking to you sometimes breaks my heart broke because
LIKE i don't, KNOW I i relate to so much
of like what you said about feeling like you're floating between,
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categories floating between, people and it.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Was it was specifically that feeling that led me to,
drag that made me like that that very fiery person
that we met as BECAUSE i didn't have a, place
SO i was fighting down like all these communities and
IT'S i don't, know it's just it's strange for me
to see somebody who is so, revered is so so
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loved and, like it's it's a weird reminder that like
we all still are are dealing with our bullshit and, yeah,
girl it's just so strange BECAUSE i feel like if
you it all comes down to like. US i feel
like if you like were the cunt that you are
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in drag about the rest of your, life like if you, were, like,
YES i fit everywhere clearly on the diva in the,
room just like but it's also an act AND i.
Understand but you know.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
How weird you're that bitch bitch, Now but do you
know how beautiful that is to like hear both of
you who are both these drag stars and someone who
is not in that space at all and just kind
of has been a, fan has watched you all ON.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Tv it's it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
To know that, like no matter, what no matter how
stunning or how much like talent is inside of, Us
like we all deal with the same levels of, insecurities
Right like we still all like feel those human things
and it just it. REALLY i think that's the reason
why a lot of people like see themselves In, Drag
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they see themselves in the work that you all put
out into the. World it's really really. Beautiful thank.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
You, well, YEAH i just like the OLDER i. GET
i think WHEN i was, YOUNGER i definitely tried to
put on an air of LIKE I i didn't even
try to put it. On it's just the WAY i carry.
MYSELF i, Know i'm very non, approachable AND i KNOW
i can be a little bit, cold and it's BECAUSE
i have good posture and that's not my.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Fault and YOU'RE i, mean you're a ballet, dancer like
a ballet, Dancers, yeah yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
But we're very, like like LIKE ev, said very cat.
Like And i'm and like when you first meet, Me
i'm not a super loud. PERSON i must sit back
and observer kind of. Person SO i understand all these
things of like why people have these conceptions of me
That i'm a bitch and all that, stuff But i'm really.
Not i'm a Very i'm a very sensitive. Person i'm
a VERY i feel a lot of, things AND i
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feel them very. Deeply AND i think the Older i've,
Gotten i've been able to and especially with hosting the
show and, STUFF i just want to the KIDS i
judge and. STUFF i just LIKE i want to more
in part on them THAT i go through things, too
AND i understand what it's like being up, there AND
i understand the feeling they're having and it's, okay and
(36:03):
like this doesn't make them, crazy BECAUSE i think when
you're in that, bubble you can a lot of times
feel crazy and feel very. Alone and just to let
them know, that, like LIKE i struggle with shit, too
just because like your famous doesn't mean like all your
problems goes go. Away in, fact a lot of times
it means you get a lot more of, them.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Or that the ones that already existed are like.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Exacerbated oh under the magnifying, Girl like that's Why that's
WHY i was like so touched by what you were.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Saying is it took Drag race shining a light on
all the things THAT i was saying about, like, Oh
i'm such a weirdo And i'm such an outsider to,
see like for me to, see but you are literally
pushing like pushing people. Away mind, you that is a
competition show AND i did really badly want to.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Win but.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
You're not worried about this Day roupos friends. Race you
know that's, real.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
But underneath, that It's it's strange how getting to see
yourself reflected back ON tv can help you learn something
about maybe what you want out of the, future your,
Relationships what's something you've. Seen it can Be canada's Drag,
race it can be A nutrogena n air, commercial but, like,
(37:18):
really What's what's something you've seen a reflected back ON
tv that has helped you?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Learn that's helped me, LEARN i think, Definitely like during
there's a couple of things like during our, SEASON i
THINK i learned THAT i need, to LIKE i, said
not take myself so seriously and not be such like
a pageant ballerina and just learned to it's okay to be,
stupid and because like the whole point of the show
really is to make, laugh like that's why we're all,
(37:45):
There like so just to like relax it just like
just relax a little bit and just have fun and
let yourself. Go AND i think For canada's Drag, Race
i've learned THAT i have to kind of WHICH I
i'm a very direct person and like, AGAIN i come
from we all, KNOW i come from the ballet. World
and just like when you get a critique or, correction
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it was, like this is what's? Wrong it was? Bad fix.
It she has the face of an angel and the
personality of a. Gargoyle it's my, spirit Delicious and when
life gives you, lemons try another franchise of Drag, Race.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Lemon you know what they, say.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Everything's bigger In texas except the. Talent It's Kennedy. Davenport
so that's that's kind of the WAY i critique, people
AND i have to kind of learn to like soften
that a little bit and like wind my way in,
there and, like BUT i, WISH i WISH i didn't
have to do, that quite, honestly BECAUSE i feel like
THAT'S i wanted just to be able to be, like,
hey that was. Horrible, yeah maybe let's not do. It
(38:50):
maybe let's not do that. Again but, yeah BUT i
understand that not all people will receive it that. Way
and so, yeah, wait.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
So when you hear queens are the fan base compare
international seasons to Like american, seasons how annoying is?
Speaker 2 (39:08):
That because it seems.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Like the way that you talk About Canada's Drag, race
it's like it's your love and one you, know it's it's,
great and so, like how do you receive what's your
reaction to?
Speaker 2 (39:22):
That when you hear.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
People kind of shitting on international like seasons and like, FRANCHISES.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
I don't. Care that's HOW i. FEEL i don't. Care
it's so. LEGIT i don't. Care and here's the, thing
LIKE i, realized probably like a couple of years, ago
for the first, TIME i was, like they just shit on.
Everything people shit on. Everything they don't just shoot on international.
(39:50):
Seasons they shot On American Drag. Race they should On,
RuPaul they should on, me they should On, nikki. Everybody
we all get. It and it's really comforting to. Know
AND i realized that BECAUSE i guess Like room made
a decision or something that people didn't agree with and
they were just, like, yeah there's our worst season Of
Drag race. Ever AND i was, like, oh, see it
happens to, Mother so if it happens to, mother like, yeah,
(40:15):
like it's not just me like SOME i remember during
the first season Of Canada's Drag, race it was very
like BECAUSE i didn't really receive a lot of hate
on my, season and then the first season Of Canada's Drag,
RACE i didn't receive a lot of, hate SO i
wasn't really familiar with that kind of title wave of
negativity coming at you until season one Of Canada's Drag.
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Race and then people had, opinions AND i, MEAN i
get why they had, opinions but that was really hard
to deal. With so that definitely took a. Moment and
THEN i think the LONGER i do, it the MORE
i just relax And i'm, like it's. Fine and also
like people will be mad for two days and then
(40:58):
another episode of another, Season aaron will be mad at that,
one and like it's just not that. Serious.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
OKAY I i really like that you said, that Because
i'm somebody who is really actually in love with the
fact that queer people have a. Sport for, us we
have a whole sports show we can. Watch we have
like a whole franchise that we can get into and
get into fights about but just like sports fans like, girl,
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none none of it is that. Serious and LIKE i
love to talk. Shit i'm a negative. Person, girl you
survived the whole scenason of me just being being.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
KIND i.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Did we sat there and we were the meanest people about.
Everybody only one of us might have caught it all
all on, camera BUT.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
I. WAS i. WAS i was. Smart but LIKE i
like to talk.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Shit it is how you critique the world around. YOU
i do. Too, yeah you smart ass bitch.
Speaker 6 (41:55):
Whatever she was a producer from the. Job but, like
that's the thing. Is we should be able to talk
ship without it meaning. Anything you should be able to
give love without it meaning. Anything and instead of like
flooding somebody's bullshit without with all the shenanigans that really don't.
MATTER i want to see people start coming up to
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me in person and saying the sorts of things they say.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Online i'll never do, that, HONEY i would pay.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
THEM i will never do. THAT i will pay you
if you hate, ME i will pay you to come
to one of my, shows which means you're also paying
me to and just say some rude ship to. Me
just like say, it BECAUSE i want to see how
it feels doing it in. Person it's probably gonna pop.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Chubs, well HOW i say how much money is on
the table SO i can come to you.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
THAT i was, like.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Be, like, listen you trash. Bag, ye here's a bar
that just split this. Split i'm there all.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Right so we love to ask every guest on the,
show what are you high key about? Currently and that
could be literally ANYTHING i am high key, about cia
thriller dramas ON.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Tv which one are you? Watching tell us, now, honey.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
ANYTHING i don't know if it's the environment we're living,
in but like, Anything LIKE i Loved house Of, CARDS
i LOVED i just Watched, Homeland Bitch. Homeland, Yeah Madam
secretary The, Diplomats, oh such a GOOD i just started
watching have you ever have you ever Watched Alias No one.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
Where she wears a bunch of?
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Wigs, right, yeah so OBVIOUSLY i was, Like, Okay i'm into.
It but it's because it's like. That it's like, that
but it's like early two, thousands like super like, cheesy
like the music and everything is so, cheesy and it's.
Amazing Training Missi.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
Viston seven years, AGO i was recruited by a secret
brand to the closest.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
SIS i was trained as.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
A spy one not to tell anyone THAT i.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Did So, YEAH i don't know what it is about,
those Because i'm not usually a person who likes tense
situations or likes stuff like, That but for some, reason
this specific VEIN i really.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Enjoy oh my, god, Well, Brooklyn, hi thank you so
much for joining. US i appreciate you for being on
high key contact anytime you.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
WANT i will anytime you want.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Me, yes thank you for coming down to.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
Visit of, COURSE i love you both THAT.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
I really liked talking To. Brooke like every TIME i
talk With, brooklyn we do hit these like really deep
notes that you can tell like there are parts of
her that she feels oh, Deeply and that's not the
stuff that people tune into Drag race to, See like
they don't they don't always want to see like the
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little cracks as much as we show. It AND i don't,
know it's just really really nice getting to talk to
her because she's a tough nut to, crack AND i
still feel like she got to talk about some some
really deep.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Stuff it's really, LIKE i think that's What i've been
enjoying about every queen that comes on this, show BECAUSE
i think we've been intentional about like not just wanting
this to be like a drag race show and just
like in, that but like when queens do come, on
they are having like a layer in like a level
of conversation with us where and it really allows us
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to like see them in new ways and hear from
them in new. Ways AND i Think brooklyn has just
yet another testament to, that because, yeah it's it was really.
Beautiful i've heard her talk about like her relationships and
all the, things but Like i've never heard Like i've
never been. Able i've always wondered about kind of like
how she navigate it's her own gender identity and and
just like her the understanding of. Herself And I'm I'M
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i love that she is your your.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Sister y'all together are just.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Brilliant LIKE i literally could just watch you all forever and.
Ever AND I i love being like a little fly
on the, wall but also being like and the like the,
passengers just like getting to get like all the, Tea
like y'all don't, know y'are you had to.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
Drive that Because i'm pretty sure nobody wants. Either brooklyn
or eye behind the wheel of a car you were
driving the whole.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Thing, no BUT i just mean in this it's, LIKE
i just really like, YA i. DON'T i am such
a fan of, like And i'm constantly reminded of.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
That i'm never going to like ever stop saying. It
i'm such a fan of.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
You i'm such a fan of the queens that we
have on this damn show Where i'm just, like, bitch
this feels like, sacred Like i've opened up like the
like a spell, book And i'm getting all the teasing everything.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Well if it's worth, anything, Right and that's HOW i
feel getting to share this whole whole experience with. You
it's like one big green, room just one big broom
closet in a sweaty bar somewhere Where i'm key keating
with PEOPLE i never THOUGHT i, WOULD.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
I, know which honestly gives us right into our hi.
Keys what are you hikey about?
Speaker 2 (47:22):
This?
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Okay, okay so Uh i'm DEFINITELY i almost regret saying
THAT i was high key off Of mexican food last,
week BECAUSE i was dealing with the repercussions of that
high key for for like three or four.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Days how long were you were you Occupying.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
I'm still occupying. It So i've had To i've had
to shift my high key away from that. Realm and,
honestly right, Now i'm very very high key about just
like being. Outside AND i know that's. Terrible it's like
a terrible open ended high, key but Like i've really been.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
And what you've done? Before are you?
Speaker 4 (48:08):
Okay, well Then i'll Get i'll get more. Specific i'm
hi key about being outside after dark. ALONE i, REALLY
i really. AM i like BECAUSE i enjoyed people, watching
but more than, THAT i really enjoy just feeling Like
i'm in the, apocalypse but like like the peaceful version
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of it, girl because like you wake up every day
and you're getting like news. Headlines that's like you're in the.
Apocalypse so when DO i get to do my Like Will,
SMITH i am legend moment and just like walk through
walk through an empty city and be, like, wow remember
when the world was young and vibrant or. Whatever So
i'm hikey about, That still hikey about going, Outside still
(48:53):
hikey About mexican, Food And i'm hikey about whatever you're hikey.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
About Ran oh my, God, well the crazy thing Is
i'm my high key is sort of you, coded like
it's sort of evy, coded because AND i don't know
if the audience wants to know that much about, me
BUT i. WAS i was doing some kind of like
not spring cleaning but fall cleaning of my like, closet
AND i found Something i'm very high key. ABOUT i
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am high key about this sex toy THAT i forgot
THAT i had THAT i can't wait to use.
Speaker 4 (49:23):
Soon. Wow that is so me, coded it's so you
Coded i've.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
BEEN i was, like it's it was in the back
of my closet THAT i forgot all.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
ABOUT i had to because One i'm.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Giving away, Things i'm throwing things, out And i'm like
taking things to the thrift, store you, know repurposing all
of my wonderful. Clothes AND i found this AND i
was just, like where have you?
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Been?
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Uh, girls this is What i'm high key about and
so excited. About pleasure self. Pleasure if that a?
Speaker 4 (49:53):
Baby, wait tell me what kind of what kind of
sex AM i like waiting?
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