Taylor Hale: Breaking Free From Big Brother

Taylor Hale joins Yvie and Ryan on HIGHKEY! for a no-holds-barred dive into her journey from pageants to Big Brother history to The Amazing Race. She opens up about setting boundaries with fellow contestants in reality TV, why stan culture can get toxic, and what it means to be labeled a “girl’s girl.” Taylor also shares stories about pageant life, growing up surrounded by queer family, and navigating fame while keeping her humanity intact. Along the way, Yvie and Ryan bring their signature chaos — from VMAs nostalgia to jazz tangents and messy confessions.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I can see it now. Bitch, you would snap on
Big Brother, get this, bitch on put her in the house.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
You too, Evie.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
We're trying to get Evy on Traders, and we're trying
to get me on Big Brother.

Speaker 4 (00:09):
That's that's fit.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Oh we're making that happen. I will personally see it through.

Speaker 5 (00:13):
Yes, Oh thank you, I'm got ev Did you watch
the VMAs?

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Like do you care? Did you even know what? Did
you watch the VMAs?

Speaker 6 (00:31):
Like?

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Did you like? Do you even care about a war? Shows?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Like?

Speaker 4 (00:33):
I don't think we've discussed this.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I feel bad because like a part of me does.
I'm still like homosexual, but bitch, I'm pretty sure. I
was like just getting done with a string of like
two weeks of travel. Yeah, And I got home on
Sunday and was like, yes, finally I don't have to
like plug into anyone else's bullshit. I'm just gonna do me.

(00:56):
And right as I'm about to go to bed, like
Doug just like beerates me and barrages me with like
a million texts, being like Lady Gaga, Oh my god,
a bunch of bagotries.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
This was like her moment. She was shining all throughout
this night, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Girl, but I was trying to take an up. I
was trying to go to bed actually for the first
time in forever, and like right when I'm about to
go to bed, I get like the VMAs like smashed
over my head. Like, by the way, girl, you're missing
a bunch of pop culture that everyone's gonna be talking about,
and now you're gonna be bitter.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
But that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
I don't know if everyone was talking about it, because
here's the thing. If you don't know, I worked at
MTV for I don't know, maybe like three and a
half years and some change. I was like always hosting
the after shows for MTV News for the VMAs, and
so like VMA, MTV culture was always kind of like
my thing, Like I loved watching it. I mean, I

(02:06):
remember when it was like appointment television. And it's so
unfortunate because if I'm being honest, I didn't even know
it was coming on. And also I didn't even know
that it was on CBS this year, like they moved
it from MTV.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
It's now a CBS.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
I guess, like moment that happened, and I was kind
of just shocked because I did watch a little bit
of it from clips, but I just never knew of
a moment where the Video Music Awards were not a
piece of culture that everyone was like always watching.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
I mean so many iconic moments.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I mean they always referenced like the late nineties and
like those Britney Spears, those like really big moments that
everyone always talks about. But it's just so sad because
I'm like, when did we get to this place where
like MTV is just no longer And I hate to
say this as someone who used to be there, it's
just no longer.

Speaker 6 (03:00):
That whoa.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Well, I mean, it's it's just been a cultural shift
that honestly, I believe it has been happening for a
long long while, because you know, I grew up on MTV.
I loved her. I loved her even when she came
out as trans and was like, don't worry you guys,
I'm not playing music videos anymore.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
I want to explain why that's problematic later, but that's
going to be at the act.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
She obviously like she didn't change her pronouns or whatever,
but she doesn't clearly does not identify as a music
television No bitch, that's.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
True, which I think to be god honest, it's so interesting.
I feel like once MTV started to do a lot
of the like reality television, like some of the heels
are like kind of like cementing itself in that way,
it felt like music was always the fourth character in
those stories that were happening in reality TV.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Not even the fourth character, because like they did do
the thing where they like put the song titles that
are playing in the background of all of their like
really fun, ridiculous trash reality TV shows. They always had
the yeah. But the thing is, it was never good
in music. It was never like, oh, they've got this banger.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
I don't know if I can say that because the
reason why I label it as a fourth character in like,
let's use an example The Hills. The Hills was a
perfect show that it was an example of how the music,
a specific song could literally tell you how to feel
in that moment and know that Louren Conrad was not
fucking playing with Heidi when she was telling her she

(04:38):
was done with their relationship and their friendship, like there
was I just remembered those moments where like artists were
like a part of this like revolutionary kind of moment
that was happening in pop culture, and MTV was pushing that,
and it's just no longer a center for that space.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
And like when I when I.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Started working there, even before I started to the after
shows for VMAs, I started doing like a lot of
their digital shows, and I literally was like, oh my God,
Like I can't believe I'm getting to work at my
my dream place. That like introduced me to Kelly Katron
and introduced me to like this world that I was
always so obsessed with, and it's just no longer the case.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
And even with like the VMAs this year.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
One thing that does really bother me, I'm not gonna
lie to you, is like when people get old and
then they just like complain about like I don't know
who these artists names are, Like who are these people?

Speaker 1 (05:29):
I mean, that's the natural progression of things. We all
turned into the crabby old bitch who's.

Speaker 7 (05:33):
Like I wish life was simple, you know, back back
when we had hits like Gongam Style, Gungam Start.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
And you're like, bitch, music has always been bad.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
But also it's just one of those things where I'm like,
I hate that it's been like the love of it
has been replaced about complaining about who are these people?
Instead of like MTV is supposed to be the place
where it introduce you to like these new voices, like
these new artists and like these spectacular moments of culture,
and it's just no longer doing that. It's no longer
that entry point, and I don't know if it will

(06:13):
ever be that.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Like I just well, I mean that's the thing is
they kind of like lost I felt them losing touch
with the culture because like here I was growing into
an adult and still watching MTV and being like, yeah,
this is pretty fierce. How they keep like recycling all
of the reality television shows I watched as a tween
ager Like yeah, sure, But like now that I'm thirty
years old, I know I might be alone in this,

(06:37):
but I'm just like so not excited to like keep
up to date with the Challenge forty or whatever.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
And I don't know, no, Shay, I had to watch
it for like some work that I was doing, and
it actually kind of ate.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
But I just don't understand how their bones haven't broken.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
There's like sixty five year olds on the Challenge and
I just don't understand how they still are like being
able to like jump for mountains and shit.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
But you just said the problem. You just said the
problem right there though, like the fact that like the
thing that really like cemented MTV in this different way
was this switch to reality TV. Yeah, and still integrating music,
but the issue was that like they didn't keep up
with what the kids wanted, how people like consumed music

(07:20):
and shit. So like the last staple of them was
the MTV like VMAs. And I don't even think of
this as MTV's fault, Like all these different TV channels
and stations or whatever, just like parts of these giant conglomerations,
and it's like not even a bitch. It's just like
when I saw that the the VMAs were on CBS,

(07:42):
I was like, girl, we live, we live in the
corporate future.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
I actually want to bring in our guests on today's
show because she is a CBS.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Darling low key.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
You know, you probably know her as a history making
winner of Big Brother twenty four, you know, the first
black one ever to win a regular season of Big Brother.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
And if you know me, I'm a Big Brother girly.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
So I'm very excited to say welcome to HIKEI Taylor Hall.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yes, welcome to the party.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Say my entire life. I'm so excited?

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Are you kidding me? Taylor? I am.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
You know from day one when I met you, I
was obsessed with you and I we got We're gonna
set the table right now. Edie has never ever watched
Big Brother. It has no clue.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Not okay, I never I was alive in the early
two thousands, you know, when all reality television was mandatry.
So like I, as a little kid, had sat down
and been like, okay, so like, wait, what's the point,
what's the gate? They have to live together? It's like
competitive the real world.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 6 (08:53):
That's so interesting because I was a huge reality TV
had growing up.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Like Ebie, we're the same age. Growing up. It was
I was too young watching Tila Tequila.

Speaker 6 (09:04):
I was watching Rock of Love, Shot of Love, all
the love shows that I shouldn't have been watching, like
that was my real America's next Top Model. But so
I was so deeply ingrained in all of those TV shows.
But I didn't watch Big Brother. I didn't watch The
Amazing Race. I would like eat dinner while Survivor was
on the background, But I didn't really know those.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Games exactly that is the tea.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
My mom actually put me on game for Big Brothers,
so I remember, actually one of the first queer people
I've ever I feel like he's one of the few
first like black queer people I saw on television was
on Big Brother Marcellus and his season is just like
when you thought you knew drama, sister, I didn't know
drama to a black queer person came in and shook

(09:50):
shit up, and so like I just I just remember
watching that show and like, of course, like my mom
fell off of it, and for a while there, I
kind of fell off on it too, But I remember
getting back into and it was just like, oh my god,
Big Brother, where have you been all my life? And
like I think, Taylor, I know obviously like I just
did it. You know, I said, you're a Big Brother winner.

(10:12):
That's how you introduce yourself. But I wonder, how do
you introduce yourself when you're in these rooms?

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Do you lead with Big Brother? Do you lead with
Amazing Race?

Speaker 6 (10:21):
Now?

Speaker 4 (10:21):
Like, how do you introduce yourself?

Speaker 8 (10:23):
Yeah, surprise, I'm I'm on the upcoming season of The
Amazing Race, which is gonna be a lot of fun.
But I usually okay, we're gonna say the real game, right, Yeah,
I cannot be the person that walks in the room,
puts a whole dick out and says I want big brother.

Speaker 6 (10:38):
I was the first black woman wimpig brother the girl. Right,
that's somebody with you that's gonna do it for you.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
You know, people don't understand the like hum the humility
that you have to like carry on your shoulders when
you walk into places like I could walk around being
like I'm that bitch, but girl, it is like way
less attractive to people than having a friend here who's like,
oh my god.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
That is true, and that's the thing I love.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
I have no problem ever, like Stanning, my friends are
standing people of culture. Like if you like I found
what I moved out here to La that that was
kind of like a big no thing to do when
you saw someone and like you fangirled, or like you
saw someone and you just told them that you like
their work. People try to act too damn cool, and

(11:28):
I'm like, ah fuck that. If I am a fan
of you, I want to give you your flowers right now,
Like I'm going to.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Tell you.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Genuinely impacted the way that I like take in like
culture and it's shaped how I view it and how
I watch other seasons and all these things, Like it's
an important piece to acknowledge.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
I mean, I think there's there's a balance, right, Like
where do you find that balance? Where does it cross
your line?

Speaker 6 (11:52):
Girl? My thing is I will never be too afraid
to tell somebody I love you, I love your work,
I love what you done. When it comes introducing myself,
I'm not gonna walk walk up somebody and say, well,
these are my accolades. Here's a long scroll of all
the things that you should acknowledge me for, Like I
actually kind of like being known as Taylor first. And

(12:15):
then when somebody slips in and is like, also, she
want me brother, and she's the first one. I'm going
to do it, and d d da da da da,
that's when it's like, it's nice to have that extra padding.
But it is interesting to see how people react to
you first and say, Hi, I'm Taylor, I love pop culture,
I like talking about.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
This and this is what I do for work.

Speaker 6 (12:31):
And then the extra stuff comes in and that's when
you see is there a change. That's where I'm like, Okay,
do I actually want to rock with this person or
not because you see a light go off. That's where
I'm like, ooh, it's get a little little caddy, a
little predatory really.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
So you you prefer it that way?

Speaker 4 (12:47):
I get that light. I get that light.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Give me the phrase fought over me.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
No, girl, she's Leo, she's an August leom.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
No, it's not even like that. It's like, don't give
me the praise, don't give me the Nannigan's. I've found
this through my slut life. The way I like to
get to know people is like to use this metaphor.
I like walking into a room and having people clearly
know who I am. But also people being so attracted

(13:16):
to the humanity in that that they are like trying
to like sit on their secret instead of being like,
oh my god, that's eve oddly, they're like, hey, you're
really hot, let's make out, And then afterwards they're like,
I just have to say, also, obviously I know who
you are, and I'm a fan of your working. I'm
going to tell all my friends tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Iike, and I appreciate that as well, because for me,
it's like I kind of do want to see that
light that Taylor is talking about right, where as soon
as you tell.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
Someone what you do, are, are, who you're connected to? Are?
You know, someone tells them the media.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Like, oh, now I give a fuck about who you
are because I want to know that you're actually not
a genuine person. Like for me, I'd rather not continue
the conversation, Like I find that to be quite predatory,
and I think that's the perfect language to use that.
And I wonder, is that like a skill that you
assessed in the pageant world, because that's where you come from, right,

(14:15):
That's where you the big brother ain't where she started.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
Yeah, she come from the pageant world.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
And I just feel like the pageantry of it all
can be a little cut throw.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
Was that your experience too, So I.

Speaker 6 (14:26):
Wish I could tell you, like they were putting there
in the shampoo in the backroom, and they were putting
marbles and throwing paint on our dresses. I wish I
could tell you we were all crazy backstage. But I
had like the greatest experience with the girls. I joined
pageants randomly. My senior year in college, I did a pageant,
made top fifteen, waited three years, competed in my home

(14:47):
state of Michigan. One went to Miss Usa. I want
miss continuality, Miss Usa. I'd in placed, Okay.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
I was about to say, girl, you're like, oh it
was all sunshine and rainbows, And I had an actual point, Doug,
because you're charming people like you. Apparently that is not fair,
Like I already love you.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
It takes some time for people to warm up to
me though, Like Big Brother was a whole masterclass of
how to get people who hate you to decide to
like you in the endgame, right, And that was a
shock to me because I walked in there literally credentialed
as a kind person and someone who's easily and along
with and so the pageants, I can't say that sussing

(15:26):
people out came from pageants because you literally walk into
the room with a crown on and a sash that
announced us to everybody who you are.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
So people's intentions are not.

Speaker 6 (15:34):
Going to be clear from the jump, and I think
immediately being met with what can I get from you
when you announce yourself walking into a room. That's how
I learn to be more cautious moving forward. It's also
trial and error, like going to the Big Brother house whatever,
winning Big Brother and coming out beloved, right, That's when

(15:55):
I had to suss through friendships that were not I
later learned, we're not actually interested in maintaining real friendships
with me, but getting a piece of the pie that
I accumulated at that point.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
I have a question though, for you, because I feel
like that's really that just describes in general, doing something
so big that it's a splash for people in your life,
you know, like whether that be winning Big Brother or
or like placing in a pageant, like winning the lottery.
You know, there's shit where like, yeah, I think it's

(16:29):
easy to automatically say like, oh, you had to cut
these people out because like they didn't have pure intentions
for you. But my question is, do you think that
there's just like any room for the fact that humans
naturally want to attach themselves to like positive great things
like if you were the opposite of miscongeniality, if you

(16:51):
were mis hated bitch like some of us.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
And I say, like this morning, watched a clip of
you and one of your.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Cast Mads going into.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
I was like, oh, I love I love these moments,
just getting to see Edie Ridovich o real.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yes, But like do you think do you think if
you know, maybe I guess my real question for you
is like, do you think that it is solely that
these people didn't have real intentions for you? Or do
you think that there's a possibility that, just like people change,
when your life changes, like when that great separation happens,

(17:30):
they're trying to swim across it. That is sorry to
go so deep. I think about this a lot.

Speaker 6 (17:37):
No, no, no, I appreciate that because it's been what
three years for me in the game doing this, and
I think the question has been so narrowly proposed to me,
and that's like the most in depth that it ever
has been, So thank you.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
I think people who had.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
The bad intentions for me are people who actually did
bad things and needed to be rude for my life.
And I think the people that saw my life change
and wanted to get on the train were not just
on the train to get off to their next destination.
They were on there to support the ride. And that's
where I'm like, you don't have to be my best friend.

(18:16):
We can be friendly, we can be acquaintances. It is
okay if you were on this train, but to be
on this train to examine under the toilet's seat and
look under the chairs and then get off at the
next stop and run to the first gossip column and say.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Well this is what was under the hood, or yeah,
to be.

Speaker 6 (18:33):
On that train to get to your destination and then
go on and pursue your own greatness or even transfer
to the neest station. That's welcome, because the entire world
is not grand Central Station of Taylor Hale, Like the
world doesn't revolve around me. We're all our own different trains, right,
trying to get somewhere. And if my journey helps you
get to your next journey.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
I welcome and I encourage that.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
But it's about why you're on the ride, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
And that will come out and that will always res
itself in the journey, right you will know if someone
is ill intentioned or has the best intentions. And I
think you know, even the history of how you maneuvered
in Big Brother, it was just so interesting because even nowadays,
three years later, we continue to hear you know.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Girl's girl, Are you a girl's girl? Are you this?

Speaker 3 (19:22):
And I wonder does the girl's girls strategy even work anymore?
Is that even a thing that we should be thinking about,
because it doesn't seem genuine actually anymore.

Speaker 6 (19:33):
I mean we're talking about You're talking about just like
the real world and the competition game.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
I mean, in general, the competition is a reality. Competition
is supposed to reflect societal changes in Mara, isn't bullshit.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I fucking love you, Oh my god. But I will say,
in the real world, this.

Speaker 6 (19:53):
Whole guys guy, girl's girl, girl's guy, guy's girl, all
this stuff broc old girl code.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
I don't subscribe to any of that.

Speaker 6 (20:03):
Not to be a contrarian or not to say that
I'm so unique or different, but so many of the
rules within girl code, bro code, these very narrowly defined silos,
really just keep us chained and hold us back from
achieving true friendship or true companionship or allyship.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
So if being a girl's girl.

Speaker 6 (20:27):
Means that I'm not telling Let's say I'm in a
group of friends and I'm very close with the girl
and she's cheating on her boyfriend, who's also a guy
friend in this group. I'm not going to sit here
and sit on that and ruin my friendship with my
guy friend because my girlfriend doesn't want to be a
good person. My role in that is not girl code.

(20:48):
Not say anything and protect this girl in her wrongness.
My position is to check my friend. If my friend
doesn't want to be receptor to that, then maybe it's
my responsibility to tell my guy friend and say, hey, listen,
I have information that you should know because you're my friend.
That's not confined to the balance of gender. It's confined
to the bounds of being a good person, right, I.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Really agree, And that's like kind of beautiful because I
disagree with the entire concept of cheating entirely. But that's
a conversation.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Conversation we need on back then.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Now, Yeah, that's that's for another day. But in general,
you know, I like the idea of like breaking down
these walls of like the things that we invented to
make us automatically feel comfortable if you can just like
you know, meld yourself into this idea. Like I can't

(21:45):
speak on the feminine experience, but like being born a
man and being told how to be a man my
whole life before I was ever anything close, I just
realized not only is it like one of the easiest
things in the world, but it is also just like
one of the most choking feelings. So like seeing that like, oh, yeah,

(22:07):
you just have to like not ever get too excited,
too sad, too happy. You just have to be like
be cool and like hit on girls because that's how
you get wife children.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Oh my god, I mean if you it's just basically
how to be a man in general. I mean, like
even at the nuances in the intersection of blackness, right,
like there was so much of my life and even
to this day, like I still think I resent whatever
like these like gender roles can be right, and it's
because of the forcing upon like us that it was

(22:42):
like basically shoved down our damn throats of like this
is what you're supposed to do. This is how you're
supposed to sit, don't walk this way, don't talk this way.
And it just never allowed, it never allows anyone to
really figure out who they truly are at the end
of the day because you're trying to navigate this part
kind of put this puzzle together that is just like, bitches,

(23:03):
puzzle shoudn't even exist in the first place, you know,
like it doesn't even make sense.

Speaker 6 (23:07):
Yeah, it's so wild, or the puzzle was only created
to fit for one type of person when there's billions
of types.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Of people in the world and you know, if that
is your puzzle piece, if you really are just like
born to follow bro code, have got it, bro. But also,
have you ever tried painting your nails a little?

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Have you ever?

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Have you ever? Have you ever stuck a finger up
your butt?

Speaker 2 (23:29):
I said, that's where I thought you were going.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
I don't look at my nails right now. They look
a hot ass mask.

Speaker 6 (23:33):
Please don't, you said, I heard the pee, and I
was like, Oh, we're gonna.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Talk about Oh no, we will.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
I mean, well we will at some point. It will
come up. Dix will come.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Up at some point.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
But I know, I also think even when I in
the reality sense of a girl's girl, like I can't
help but think of like Love Island and like I mean,
Parvety and Surrey, like even your season.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
I'm I mean that was a whole turn against you.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Was people were like, she's not a girl's girl, and
I'm just like, it just does not work.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
That is not a strategy that works and actually does
the It.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Actually reveals the missogyny or the massage noir that exists
in like us as a cultural like society.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yes, And I also think, like where did that come from?

Speaker 6 (24:22):
Where did labeling me as it not a girl's girl
come from because I wore a bikini in the backyard
and I played pool with some guys for a little bit.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Why is there, She's not ass she's not a girls.

Speaker 6 (24:33):
Okay, that's enough for me to be a trader to
to all women in the world.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
That was pretty anti feminist of you, I have to say.

Speaker 6 (24:43):
Consistently a theme in my life. Of course, I must
for my own pursue of greatness.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
You know what's kind of sick about that? That like
a half assed little joke though, is it is unfortunately
a part of uh at least what I find to
be authentic expression and a pathway towards like success, happiness, peace,
like at least within knowing yourself is having to betray

(25:11):
a lot of the things that people have told you
to ask yourself. Okay, yeah, I know, like this is
how a black woman is supposed to act. But how
do I feel?

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah?

Speaker 6 (25:24):
And you know what else about that is that as
someone who I consider myself an ally but enough to
know that I can't walk around saying I am an
ally right.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Oh that's so kind of you.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Oh, thank you so much. I'm a hero.

Speaker 6 (25:38):
So what does that mean as a person who participates
in gender expression in a hyper feminine way?

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Right?

Speaker 6 (25:48):
Like, I am a black girl from Detroit, Michigan that
has been super girly my whole life. I did pageants.
I want a fucking pageant. I was super feminine on
Big Brother Won the TV show. I love glamour and beauty.
That is how I express my gender identity. I also

(26:08):
support queer people that express their gender in hyper feminine ways,
but I also don't want to be a person that
because my expression is so out there. I don't want
to exclude people who don't express gender in hyper feminine ways.
And I know that when people look at me who
are outside of that are very quick to think that
I would not accept them or be welcoming to them,

(26:30):
or maybe that I don't create enough space for them
to exist. And I think that's something that I struggle with.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
Now.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
How do I express myself in a way that is
truly authentic to me that doesn't exclude people that maybe
present more masculine or more gender neutral.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
I think you just said it though you just like
talked about it. You just like we don't even need
like virtue signaling you don't have to bring like thirty
drag queens on stage with you, Like, look, that was
a VMA's reference. It's really fierce. I actually, do you
think you should do that? But bring me? Because why
the fuck haven't I ever been invited? I'm gorgeous. Ever

(27:06):
that aside, I just don't think you have to. I
think just like what's dope for me is when you
use your voice in ways that like you're impassioned, when
you're challenged in challenging places. Like one thing that I
super cannot stand about, like being forced out of my
comfortable bubble of queer world, is like when I'm with

(27:28):
somebody who, like you know, doesn't have to navigate the
same ways that I do, and like somebody in their
life treats me poorly because of who I am. If
you won't advocate for the people you love and their differences,
like even if that person doesn't like them, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
I mean, I also think it's something that you've already done.
And it's proven that if you show up authentically that
people will automatically like gravitate towards you.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Right, And I think there.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Was a reason why when you left the Big Brother House,
and you were carrying now this kind of like new
weight of being the first black woman to have achieved
this thing, that there was still such community and people
really wanting to surround themselves with you.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Did you mostly like did your I mean, I'm assuming
you were kind of like a fag had to be
quite honest, I feel like you already had all that.
I know, Shay, I feel like you already had all
the gay friends, so like, but did you see it
more like did you have more of the games being like, oh,
now we support Taylor Hall?

Speaker 2 (28:36):
You know, I can't say that about myself, so.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
You can't acknowledge or deny anything about that.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
Just twice if you identify listen.

Speaker 6 (28:53):
But it goes back to something that I just didn't
even realize growing up. Like my uncles, my mom's best
friends were all black gay men. They were like these beautiful,
dark chocolate black gay men in Detroit, Michigan.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Like they were culture the new music style.

Speaker 6 (29:11):
But this was in a space where like you kind
of still whispered about somebody was gay, or like, oh
that's just their roommate, baby, don't worry about it. But
you know they're coming over thingsgiving Chris dinner all the time.
Those are my uncles, That's my family.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
And it was just.

Speaker 6 (29:25):
Always ingrained in my daily life, like it wasn't this
big queerness wasn't a big introduction into my life, even
though I'm not queer, and so college naturally you gravitate
towards people that you're comfortable with and familiar with, and
so yeah, it was gay men that were in my life,
and I tried to open up more space for lesbian
women in my life too. And then you know, now

(29:47):
my best friends, like we joke about our friend's circle
as like the college diversity pamphlet, because somebody's Jewish, somebody's Palestinian,
someone's gay, someone's a lesbians, a couple of black people,
African American, you got somebody from Ghana, Like it's somebody
from everywhere, okay ah, And coming off Big Brother with
the live feeds so swenty for seven live feeds, I

(30:09):
think people naturally saw my friendship with Michael, who's a
gay man.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
I would talk about my favorite queer artists.

Speaker 6 (30:14):
I would talk about drag race a lot, and I
was even kind of challenged in a conversation with one
of my fellow house guests who I don't even remember
how the conversation started, but he asked me what I
would do or how I would handle it if I
had a trans child, and he was more in that
camp of like, you know, is it too young to

(30:35):
have those conversations or explore that, And I just thought, like,
there's so many psychologists and people out there that can help,
So who am I to deny my child that right
to seek help. I would rather have a live, happy
trans child than a dead child.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
It's just simple.

Speaker 6 (30:51):
And those conversations happen naturally, and what they happen naturally,
and they're broadcast the world over live feeds.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, you're going to walk out of the house with
a pretty gay fan base, because it's not like if
you're not new to this, you're true to this, And
so I.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Think it's two blinks then, right.

Speaker 6 (31:14):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
I also knowing after of course, like Big Brother was over,
and of course you are still in the Big Brother world.
But I wondered, was there ever a moment when you
left and you started to figure out, Okay, what do
I want to do next? I have bigger dreams for myself.
Were you afraid of being put in the reality TV
box and the confinements of that box.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yes, well, here's there's a pipeline.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
Okay, there's Big Brother, Survivor, sometimes Amazing Race, Love Island,
and then, like some international reality shows, you go on
one of those shows and you do well enough and
then maybe, if you're lucky, you get a call to
go on the Challenge.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
I don't want to do that.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Oh no, not after me just talking shit about the Challenge.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
O god, no, no, even you take that back. You
take that back because it gonna jump me.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Evie.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
I love the Okay, the thing is all that shit
I was talking. I just like, can't believe it still exists.
Because America's Next Top Model, like American Idol, the Challenge,
the Real World, all of these things are things I
wanted to be on as a little kid. Like watching them,
I was like, oh, that'd be so fun. This would
be so fun. I didn't even watch Survivor, but I

(32:36):
was like, hell yeah, throw me in the jungle.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Oh that was the one I would never do. That
was the one I would never do.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
To this day, I would never I always wanted that world.
It was so like, I just I don't know. I
think it's wild that like now that I have worked
hard enough in my life to be on a reality
TV show that I was meant to be on, Yeah,
I could try and wheezel my way in could be like, hey,
you guys, put me on Big Brother. People will love

(33:03):
and trust me.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
You're really convincing?

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Is issue?

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Girl?

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Is there is there anything you ever wanted to be
on or like saw yourself doing but you knew you
would be bad at it?

Speaker 4 (33:21):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (33:23):
I think everybody has that moment where you're like, I
could do that, That's easy. I was recruited to go
on The Bachelor a couple of years before I landed
on Big Brother.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
And really yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (33:37):
Think two years in a really recruited me and then
it was like Big Brother came. You guys know this,
I just said it when the pageant happened. So I
won the pageant. I lost at Nationals, but I was
still a title holder for like the back six months.
And that's when a bunch of reality starts started reaching out.
Because if I'm a casting producer, my job is to
reach out to hot people that'll do well on TV.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
For sure.

Speaker 6 (34:01):
Miss USA dot com who plays Top fifteen, who got
a special Award.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
That's how I would do the job.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
And I'm sure I'm waiting for my moment.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Please. By the way, Ryan, should we call you up
and enter you in a pageant?

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Hello?

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Ready for my pageant?

Speaker 3 (34:16):
I'm ready for my pageant to reality TV star bike
Bye Bline.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
Yes, it's like the training gowns. The pageants are the
training wheels for reality TV these days. But so for
a long time, people are like, oh my god, you'd
be amazing on The Bachelor, and so I kind of
thought like I could get through that and be fine.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
But you know, life had from a plan for me.

Speaker 6 (34:36):
And there was a time during the pandemic where I
watched the Challenge for the first time during the pandemic
and I stopped.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
I stopped at.

Speaker 6 (34:44):
Certain times like I didn't know anything about the more
new seasons, but there are a couple of things I
was like, I could do that.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
I could do that.

Speaker 6 (34:49):
And then they start eating stuffer running and I was like, actually,
you will never see me on that TV show.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (34:54):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
You're like, yeah, no, I'm not. I'm not putting that
weird shit in my mouth. And you think I'm going
to use the these gorgeous legs to do all that bullshit.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
No, I mean they deserve to be insured from millions
of dollars period.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, that's leg because you don't got me fucked up,
That's okay. That's why whenever people ask me when I
go back on Drag Race, I'm like, okay, number one,
I already talked plenty about being disabled, so.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
Connects my storyline.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but also, like connect that piece to
this ship is hard if you aren't competing. It is hard.
Even if you are on America's Next Top Model and
your job is to take pictures and walk up and down. Bitch,
they find a way to torture you because it's good TV.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
That's why I just don't understand why you ended up
saying yes Taylor to Amazing Race with Kylon, Like, isn't
that the same amount of like like strenuous like sort
of activity that the challenge would have done. You're running
around the world, girl, I'm already tired. I'd be trying
to close my circles on the daily and you doing it.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
In five seconds.

Speaker 6 (36:02):
Yeah, you know I was, But no, we were training
for the race. That man had me on the tread mill.
Oh my god, I'm not a runner. That man had
me on the treadmill hit my best mile because he's
like I heard you guys talk about you watch a Challenge.
Y'all seen how he performs on these shows. Yeah, Kylon
is so hot, yes, in all ways, and I'm more

(36:22):
like the social navigator, right.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
He can do all the heavy lifting. Amazing race. We
had to do it together. So I had to get
my shit up.

Speaker 6 (36:30):
Okay, I had to get my cardio up. I had
to get my stamona up. I was on the Kylan
Young training plan. And I will say I like the
Amazing Race more than the challenge for me. Listen, these
Challenge fans. They think I got it out for them.
They think I think I'm too good for it. It's
just not for me.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Okay, it shouldn't be for Johnny Bananas, but Chow, he
can't stop me.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
I think he honestly's addicted.

Speaker 6 (36:54):
No, Shade, I would be addicted if I had his
checks too, I would say that.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Okay also too.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Also, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
How was the dynamics between you and Kylin because y'all
were I mean, I know, I guess now y'all aren't together,
but y'all were together, like, y'all, I don't want to
get all be a business.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
But why not.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Tell you a business?

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Well, look, I got this clothes line here for your
dirty launch.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Always say space is got it?

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah, say space a front of everybody, all the people.
I'll answer. I'll answer the first question first.

Speaker 6 (37:30):
So I like the Amazing Race more than the Challenge
for me because it's not this social competitive environment. It
is literally you and your partner go figure out the
world and use your strengths and weaknesses to understand each
other and navigate. And I think that there's something just
a little more cerebral that I really like about that.
I just felt safer doing the Amazing Race, emotionally safer

(37:53):
than I would have doing the challenge, because the challenge
is there to have like a reality TV show with
the drama and the mess. The Amazing Race is about
travel and exploration and showing off different cultures, and that's
what I want to be part of.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
It's like competitive vacationing. It's being like, Okay, let's take
all of these couples and family members and best friends
for life and see how badly would you really like
to go to Cobbo with each other? Well?

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yeah, I mean, I love that piece about Amazing Race
as well. I think that's the fun part of it.

Speaker 6 (38:29):
So that was like, that's what got me excited about it,
And doing it with Island was just like I sing
cherry on Top.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
And so, what the hell's going on with me and Kayland? Yeah,
I'm gonna have to watch and find out.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
That's crazy. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
But I also I only asked that because you know,
sometimes it can be a little overwhelming, like I'd never
realized I knew, like even from like working with Evie,
Like the drag Race fandom is absolutely insane, right. They
can be so mean, They could be so like in
your like face and try to tell you what's going
on in your life. And I see a similar way
of Big Brother and like the worlds of like the Amazing.

Speaker 6 (39:08):
Race Stan culture is ruining all of us everything.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
It's ruining everything, And I guess I just I always
want if anyone is to come on this show, I
always want them to be able to be like, no,
you're hearing it from my mouth. I don't need to
y'all don't need to hear these random like profiles and
faces who are just making up shit on the internet.

Speaker 6 (39:27):
Yeah, No, I mean that's I don't want to say
and be like I'm here to sell a TV show,
because that's listen, We're going to see how we communicate,
if we do it well, if we don't do it
well on the TV show. And I think for Cole
of the Night, it's weird talking about this without him
because like, we've been so so private your one half, yeah,
but it's weird, like we've been so so private about this,

(39:50):
and so even having gone on the show, there were
times where we would, you know, they would put the
camera in our face and be like, so talk to
us about your relationship, and we're like, oh, oh yeah, we.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
Forgot that was going to be a part of this. Well.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
That's also like just a very different type of reality
TV to name like what you were saying about The Bachelor.
It's kind of the most difficult aspect for me about
reality TV is like not just playing emotions but like
opening up into real things for them to like fiddle
around it. Like when I was doing the Vegas Live

(40:26):
reality TV show that during the pandemic girl, I told
this producer from the jump that my boyfriend and I
were open and communicative, and she's like, I don't understand that,
But what if we have you moved to Vegas, You're
gonna start going on a date with this person, and
then we're gonna fly your boyfriend out, and then you're

(40:47):
gonna break the news to him that you've been cheating
on him.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
I'm like, girl, you missed the whole when I just say,
that's the reason why I'm one. I love that, and
y'all we're always so private, and because that's very Capricorn
coded of you, and that I'm a Capricorn.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Rising, and so I understand that.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
I mean, that's the reason why I don't ever really
necessarily see myself. Like I made a joke about it earlier,
but I don't think I could ever do reality TV.
It's just I love the idea of like just doing
my work, doing it really well, and just minding my
fucking business and not having anybody else in mind. And
like that's the reason why I love sitting in the
interviewer seat versus being on the other side. Like it's

(41:29):
just there's just more control in that way of you know,
and more intention not even control, but there's more intention
around what you put about yourself out in the world,
and I think that's important.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Oh that's why you would be so good. I can
see it now, bitch, you would snap on Big Brother.
I'm advocating for this right now. Get this bitch on
and put her in the house.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
You too, ev I want to do a pair walk
into the house.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
I mean now.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
We're trying to get Evy on Traders and we're trying
to get me on Big Brother.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
That's the Oh perfect, Oh We're that happen. Please please,
I will personally see it through.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Yes, Taylor Hall, please. Okay.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
We ask everyone on this show a question that we
we love.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
What are you high key about right now?

Speaker 3 (42:14):
It could literally be anything that you can be a feeling,
It can be something a part of culture, it can
be whatever the first thing that comes to your mind.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
What are you key about?

Speaker 6 (42:24):
Oh my god, I've said this on another podcast before,
and now people are gonna think I actually hate them.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Oh my god. Okay, I'm I'm I'm high.

Speaker 6 (42:33):
Key about healthy boundaries on relationships with other people on
reality TV.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Oh tell us more like during Reality TV or like
afterwards we were on Reality.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Evie. I know you know this. It's it's hey, hey,
I know we all did this show. Together, and we're
all going to be in town at the same time.
We should all go to dinner. We should all do
the watch riding, and should all hang out. We all
get a house together. We should all do this. I'm like,
oh my god, oh my god, my god, please please.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
No, I actually don't know shit about that. You were liked,
you were miscongeniality, bitch. I thought every girl.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Oh no, no, no, no, no no. I was not
like on my season. That was That's a whole other conversation.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
She was not liked her season.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
I was not like on my season. It was hard work, baby.

Speaker 6 (43:16):
But it's this, like, it's the we all did this together,
so we should all spend time together thing. And for me,
it's like ice thrive in small doses, small groups and
small doses. I'm a super introvert, and when my social
battery drains, it is put And so you'll go from

(43:37):
seeing a happy, smiley Taylor to just like the face
is dead.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
People are asking are you okay? Are you okay? Is
everything okay?

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Oh my god, I've never felt more seen. I've never
felt more seen.

Speaker 6 (43:51):
And now now I know I'm the bad vibe And like,
now I know they're all going to talk about me
being the bad vibe when I'm really I'm just drained
and I'm tired. But I do want to be around everybody,
And so it's something that I struggle with because I
do want to maintain relationships even like this cast, this
amazing race cast. I really love this cast of people.

(44:12):
But all of the planned group activities, it's a lot
for me to do. And when I try to set
that boundary of oh, actually, I don't want to be
in this space or I don't want to be this involved,
or I don't want to do all these things, it
can read as well, Taylor thinks she's too good for us,
Oh Taylor thinks she's we're doing all of this, or
you know, she's just so up at well.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
And that's when I where I ask, is it genuine
that they actually want to hang out or do they
just want to capture content so like it could be
a like like content.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
Creator thing, you know.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Like that's that's where I start to realize, like, oh,
are you actually trying to be my friend?

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Are you just wanting to like have a content Kiki?

Speaker 6 (44:47):
And even then, like I don't think there's anything wrong
with the content, kikey. But even for a content keiki,
I gotta be like, my social batteries got to be full.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
We're not going to get good content if I'm not there.

Speaker 6 (44:58):
Yeah, And so it sucks when I've put myself in
a position of kind of being the one always removing
myself because I know that optically, when I'm the one
person not there and everyone's getting me along together and
everyone's hanging out, it's like Taylor just doesn't want to
be a bad vibe on everybody, Okay, Taylor wants to
show up when she's good for everybody, Okay, Right. So

(45:21):
I'm very high key about that, but I try to
find like, how can I talk about this without hurting
the people that I generally want to have strong relationships
with them get to know. But like, I gotta put
me first, Lucious, I gotta put me first.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
And that's so really, I tell you, I feel so
so seen by that, and I think so many other
people will as well, including all of the other people
who are wanting to hang out with you.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
So, Taylor Hall, thank you so much for joining this show.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
I love you both, love you, love you Evie.

Speaker 6 (45:51):
I watched you when I was living in DC and
on my couch, and I was just gagged every time
every time I saw you.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
I mean, she's iconic, but don't get to know her more,
and you'll just be like, oh, it's just eve oddly.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
You'll get over it.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Yeah, it's really nice.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
It's nice to burst your bubble a little bit.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
That's the fun part it is.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
But unfortunately for you, I still think you are perfect
and probably like probably one of the better people on
this planet.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
So it gets worse. Don't worry.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yes, she is.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
A Capricorn, might I add anyway? Okay, so well we
get back. We got to dive into our high keys.
We'll be back, hike.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
I feel like there are like two types of genuinely
beautiful people on this planet. And yes I am being
extremely surface level and talking about attractiveness. Absolutely, there's beautiful
people where you're like, oh, you're definitely a horrible fucking person,
and then there's beautiful people where you're like, oh, you're
beautiful because your soul is beautiful.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Fuck, you're like, actually, maybe I'm not as good as
a person.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Listen, I haven't been convinced in a while. I already
talked to my therapist about this, I'd say, So, how
do you help somebody who knows they're evil?

Speaker 4 (47:11):
Absolute?

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Okay, So let's get into our high keys of the week.
Either you want to go first or do you want
me to go first?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Hell?

Speaker 1 (47:18):
No, bitch, I want you to go first.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Work okay, because I cannot help. I have been waiting
to talk about this album. It's called Whimsy. It's an
alternative jazz album by Destin Conrad.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Best what they say to it.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
D new Backing said.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
To come chat and Destin Conrad is like one of
my favorite top like black queer artists that are out currently.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
And I woke up like just randomly.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
I feel like I'm always in the know of like
his shit, but I woke up and I saw that
he had he dropped a jazz album with some of
like my favorite artists like Terrence Martin, Ambrey Aston Term.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
Like I was like, wait, where did this come from?
You're like an rbing girl.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Why are you like just randomly deciding one day that
you're gonna do a jazz album.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
It is so good.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
I mean, it's like perfect for you know, waking up
early and being like I just want to put something
on and.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
Just like not like be crazy or you can.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Like when I'm walking Coco, I'm like literally putting this
album on and it's just it's absolute perfection.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
It might honestly be his best work.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
And I'm saying this because his work is already topp
tier and so Destin Conrad, please continue to do like
jazz albums I actually want everyone to do.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
I agree, Ryan girl girl, Okay, Like I just not.
I cannot believe you came in here with the jazz praise.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
I know.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
I am so about jazz. I've been about jazz. If
if we're doing a high key of the last two
years of my adulthood, overall, it'd be like jazz, yes, jazz,
I like good jazz, I like bad jazz. I like
jazz in the morning and jazz during sucks.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
I just I just forgot how much I love live
instrumentation on an album, Like I'm like, it's so so
important and just hearing everything just work together in tandem,
and just also like getting to hear someone like like
vocal acrobats is just ugh. It makes this pussy swell.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
I oh h, we're gonna jazz out.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
That's my hikey. What's your hikey?

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Sorry? Bitch, you just like erased my mind with jazz.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
I just I've been waiting to get in front of
you so I can talk about this album because it
is just so good. Like I'm I'm so excited for
my Spotify wrapped to come out so it can tell
me how much like I've listened to this album.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
It's like, ooh, girl, guess what your taste of completely
changed your whole new person. All you do is jazz
now and it's just this one album on repeat.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Absolutely just the only album, like literally that was me
when I'm speaking of her, because their tickets to one
on sale today all right on a grind day. When
she dropped Eternal Sunshine, I was like, I was kind
of embarrassed about it, but it was literally like number
one on my Spotify raps last year and I never
posted it, and I was just like, honestly, I don't care.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
That's a fucking great album. Girl.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
You just got to own your bad, faggy music tastes
that are actually good but someone else just will hate.
Lona del Rey has been in my top five for
like five years, and I just have to get over
the fact that, like if I'm going to be sharing
what my music is with the world. They're gonna see
that every plane ride I've ever taken. I'm like crying
out at stupid lyrics about Pepsi cola. Yeah, oh okay,

(50:36):
But what I'm high key about. I was gonna say
Mexican food because I had it like three times, but
I just think relatable. Yeah, I think I think that's
like a little too.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
Year to go to. Like what's like, were you having
the same thing? Like please?

Speaker 1 (50:52):
No, I just okay, So Denver has really good Mexican
food to me, really yeah. Yeah, we got a lot
of Mexicans.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
Oh, I guess I never thought about.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
That, and other other Latino people as well, but like legit,
we've always had We're like Southwestern, We got that that
Southwestern you know, native and then like like Mexican and
then like occasional like white people sprinkling in there.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Right right, the Mexican fusion.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah, the Mexican fusion. But I also can't make that
my high key because that's not sexy.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
I mean it kind of is, because now I really
want to know you're like, go to Mexican order.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
My go to Mexican order is a bean burrito eal
you lost me smothered with green chili and cheese. That's all.
I'm such a fucking child.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
I was I saying, are you like a vegetarian or
some shit?

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Hell no, I'm just a little kid when it comes
to Mexican food. Give me the bas ingredients. I don't
need all the meat, this and that. Give me the
bas ingredients. A shit ton of hot sauce, yeah, and cheese.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
I'm just not a beans girly. I could do. I
can do it all without beans, like I just can.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
That's what's funny is I'm not either. I just like
beans in that context because they act like water, you know,
like where I don't perceive the beans. All I'm eating
is like mushy thing that is like solid hot sauce.
So shout out to the Curtis Park Creamery and Denver.
You've been open for like forty five years. I wasn't

(52:20):
gonna make you my high key, but.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Girl, Honestly, it seems like the universe wants you to girl.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
It feels like it's deserved.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Girl. And every time I come home, I'm like, yeah,
so I'm back where real Mexican food is. Fuck all
these other places I was just in Texas. I could
have had text mex but I'm like, m M, I
need that Southwestern.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
Oh, go back to Denver and get it all. All right.
Well that's the show today, y'all. I live.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Thank you so much to Taylor Hall for hanging out
with us. Honestly, what a queen.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Really, She's so cool. I'm intimidated because I'm totally gonna
get her number, text her once and never respond again.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
No, like dead ass, because that's I mean, I never
talked about how we met, but like that's essentially kind
of what happened. But like I still like we met
so much, and like we talked, and I just I'm
we knew we were gonna be in each other's world somehow.
But let us know who else you want on the show,
you know, because I think the way to really do
that to let us know all your thoughts about how

(53:19):
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Speaker 4 (53:38):
You know, ad free, so you just don't get all
of us.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
And we have the actees that's like twenty to thirty
minutes extra of just like Edie and I shooting the
shit because there's only so much we can put in
this show. There's only so much of my dogs. But
if you are watching the video that you can see,
I mean not.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Like during that moment we are. We're heading into the Aftes,
girl whatever. If you guys want to chill with us
as things get a little freaky, we'll see you at
the aft Ees.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
We sure will. And of course, do not forget.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
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Speaker 4 (54:27):
I'm enjoying doing this show every fucking week.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
With you too. I didn't text you this today because
I wanted to say on the show, but I just
woke up so excited to talk to you today, So
I'm glad that's I'm glad that's almost over. I'll see
you at the Aftes.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Yeah literally, all right, love ya bye.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
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Speaker 3 (55:01):
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Speaker 4 (55:11):
Team every week. See you there.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Hi Key is a production of iHeart Podcasts as a
part of the Outspoken Network. This show is created and
executive produced by Ryan Mitchell, E vi Adley and Spoke Media.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Our showrunner is Tyler Green. Our producers are Kelly Kolff
and Katie Alis Greer. Our video producer is Bo Delmore,
and our video editor is Luis Peiga. Our audio engineer
Sammy Sirich. Special thanks to Jennifernett and Tess Ryan.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Executive producers for spokes Media are Travis Lamont Balinger and
Aleah Tabacoleia.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Our iHeart team is Just Crime Chicic and Sierra Kaiser

Speaker 3 (55:46):
And our fame music is by the one and only
Kayan Hersey and our show art is by work by work,
with photography by Eric Carter