October 13, 2025 • 56 mins
It’s officially spooky season, and Ryan and Yvie are summoning the queens of darkness themselves — The Boulet Brothers! The masterminds behind Dragula join Highkey! for a chilling, hilarious, and deeply queer dive into the magic of horror, the art of drag, and how embracing your inner monster can set you free. The Boulets reveal the origins of their horror obsession, how they built a global cult following, and why queer fear has always been revolutionary. Expect talk of Halloween nostalgia, LA’s haunted nightlife, and the creative grind behind their Emmy-nominated phenomenon. Whether you’re into black-and-white classics, punk drag, or just love chaos and camp, this episode slays from start to finish. Fear, fantasy, and fabulousness — it’s all Dragula, darling.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I feel like it's it's been long enough where people
don't ask us too much anymore about it, you know,
because I always thought that too. I'm like, they're looking
at two people presenting as women called Boule brothers. But
I kind of love it because I'm like, I'm not
fooling anybody, you know what I mean, like just own it,
like so what you know?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh my god, Etie, what and the Hagrid is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Are you coming here to deliver that I have been
accepted until Wizardry School?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Yes, Happy spooky season, Happy spooky season.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
Yeah happy?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Oh wait, I forgot it's cringe when we say that.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
The internet is like some matter now that is saying
it's spooky season is like just so cringe because well,
at least among some people, because like when dragon queens
get around, we're like, oh my god, I'm going uky spooky.
But the thing is some of these bitches don't know
what it's like to be uky spooky.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
To your core.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
And here, what's the thing I don't I'm not if
I if I'm spooky. My spooky season is a combination
of watching Twitches and Halloween Town, like that's as far
as I go into spooky season.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And so that's why I feel like it's okay to
say spooky.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
But I didn't really I didn't know that there are
now parameters on being cute and it's.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Celebrating this high Halloween.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I mean, you wouldn't know if you're a Disney spooky.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
It might aligned.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
The reason why I'm even saying spooky is because, like,
like I said, all I watch is like Disney Halloween.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Wait, so are you like not a big are you
not a big Halloween queer? Because legitimately, uh, the rest
of us treat this like a second bride.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I mean, clearly, look at you. Did you look fabulous?
By the way, I had no clue what you're wearing,
but it works.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
It's actually a kilt on top of another kilt, shitty
little gandolf hut.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
And then this cool wig, I mean made for.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
All stars, so you know, oh wow, Oh and then
we just give hocus pocus tease. I actually I wanted
to start with this because my first Halloween costume that
I remember was a shitty little wizard costume that my
mom and I made together.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Oh and it.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Was like really sweet because it was the first time
I could find an excuse to wear a skirt. I
was like, oh, yeah, Mozard, I saw my friend do
it the year before.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And that's I guess that.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
See, I never had that moment, right, Like I've talked
about how I grew up like super religious, Like instead
of Halloween nights, it was Hallelujah nights going to church,
and it was like they would do, you know, their
own thing, or there would be a service, or we
would just be in the house with the lights off
and like not giving candy, you know, like we like
(02:48):
I grew up in that sort of world and so
like I didn't really start to experience Halloween until I
was officially moved out of my mom's place on like
in college and like going to my first Halloween party
and like everybody around me was dressing up, being like, oh,
I need to figure that out. But I feel like
I've always had a connection to like the supernatural. Like
(03:09):
I remember vividly being young and like checking out one
I hate naming this, and this is where there's so
many what like you know, of course of like the
legacy has been burnt down, but I checked out all
of the Harry Potter books, and I was reading them
in my closet and hiding them from my mom to
not find them. Right, I was reading all of the
(03:30):
Twitches books and like really like watching those films. Are
those movies on? Like you know volume two? And so,
like I've always been.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Dark hearted first.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Sure, I've always been curious about like Witches in particular,
Like I'm a charmed girl for a reason, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Oh, so you're saying I dressed up for you today.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Thank you so much. That's what I feel like.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I feel so like at home with you right now,
because yeah, it's not that I don't like how I've
always appreciated the candy, but I just I never was
allowed to like really celebrate it until my adult years.
And even then, I get so overwhelmed by dressing up.
I don't know how to do it.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
I mean, that's what we all do, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Every year I still repeat the errors of my childhood,
where I like think of an idea in May and
I'm like, yeah, that's gonna be really cool, and then
like right at October thirtieth, I'm like, oh, you know what.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
I should try and do today. I should learn how to.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Sew, which I didn't.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I didn't, especially moving out here to La Halloween is
like when you said it's like a second Pride, Like
that's literally no joke, Like people go all out, and
it does sometimes feel like from my perspective, like I've
done the haunted hay rides. I've done, Like my friend
(04:56):
may've invited me to a haunted mansion, but it's like
one hundred and forty something rooms. I haven't said I'm
going to go yet. It's a reign of terror haunted house.
Oh my god, I am terrified. I don't know if
I'm going to say yes or go, and I need
to RSVP to say yes. But like one hundred and
(05:17):
forty something rooms of like pure terror sounds like a
girly like me with bad anxiety.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I'm going to die. Y'all need to have the er
by on standby.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I mean, but thinking just because there are one hundred
and forty rooms doesn't mean you've got to going on.
Like you could go through like you know, five or
six rooms and then find something that's meant to scare
someone else that you don't give a shit about, be like, oh.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
It's a falling fantasy. I don't care.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Girl, sit me on the edge of this ledge and
they're like, excuse me, ma'am.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Everything scares me.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I'm just I'm going to I really want to do it,
just to like push myself right, Like, I think that's
the beautiful underlying thing about like Halloween or horror culture
is like really pushing yourself in like going past your
fears to really like kind of grow and evolve. I
think that's always been a part of the story of horror.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
And I think they're like tight in with comedy too,
because like, bitch, what do you do after you get
really scared in like a movie or a haunted house,
You're like.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Oh my god, I thought I was gonna die. LOOKI
Petere's pants. Oh ha ha.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, yeah, yes, I want to like one.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I know, I'm also gonna have serious fomo.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I don't want to miss out on this like moment,
this like bonding experience with like my group of friends who.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Are going but two, it's just so oh, it's terrified.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I looked at the trailer video for it, and I
was like, oh my god, how do people actually do this?
Do you do like haunted experiences during the season? Is
that your type of vibe. Are you just a dress
up girl?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I actually am more of a do haunted experiences than
I am a dress up girl. In fact, I was
just talking to somebody else about this that like, I'm
I'm slightly frustrated about Halloween in current days, Like it's
it feels like Halloween isn't as fun for me. And
it's not because every day is like Halloween, although it
(07:11):
is clearly, but for me, it's more of the like,
I feel like Halloween sucks because everybody has to be
like one of the three same memes that everyone else
is gonna be. Like this year, we're gonna see eight
fucking trillion of the Auntie from from Weapons or whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Oh yeah, And I'm.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
So sad because like Doug has this great idea to
be Shanad O'Connor from her Nothing compares to music video.
And I was like, ooh, if people don't know who
you are, you can just like print out a bunch
of tiny pictures of the Pope and then just like
rip them up all night, you know. And we tried
this on our friends, like a little friend group we
(07:53):
were hanging out with, and all of these thirty something
faggots were like I don't. I don't really know.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
But that's the thing, Like, I feel like I've always
enjoyed the pop culture aspect of dressing up, right, like
finding someone or finding like a character or a person
that's like really like made its way through culture, and
everyone wants to dress up as it.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But I do see what you mean.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
But it's just like it feels one repetitive and it
just kind of loses It's like charm of imagination. It
doesn't feel like you're actually doing anything that is like cool.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I mean, I don't blame I don't blame the people, Honestly,
I think it really is that everybody lives such fractured
experiences that, like, you know, in the eighties, nineties, whatever,
two thousands, everybody knew what movies came out that year,
everybody knew like what songs were playing on the radios
(08:53):
or whatever the fuck. And now we all like kind
of choose our own experience. So like, when something does
make it big enough for it to be a talking point,
at least on social media, I feel like that's the
only way to like really share the joy of Halloween
and scare the fuck out of your friends. I want
to be a sexy nurse. But I think I just
(09:15):
want to dress in scrubs and go to a sex party.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Which sounds like you were planning on doing that anyway.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
No, No, honestly, what I really do plan on doing
for basically Halloween until whenever the fuck it ends is
I'm probably gonna dive into Bulay Brothers, Dragula Titans.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I mean, perfect moment to bring them up because we
are so We were so excited to do something like
Halloween themed on Highki this October, and we weren't sure
what it was giving. But you had the most brilliant
idea of like Bulay Brothers, like of course, and we
were like, duh, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And so the fact that.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
We we have them coming on the show, literally the
the og monsters, the icons. I'm so excited that we
have bu Lay Brothers on the show. Please stick around.
It's about to be everything bitch.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
And super spooky.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Take that cringe.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Ike you.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
This is like an unusual episode for us to start
off with because usually we don't like let y'all in
the house. We make you wait outside while we chat
about like our little things were like hey, girlees, but
the ghost cursed us so so.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Actually didn't even curse. I feel like it's a blessing
to witness two legends. I mean when you talk about
like mother Monster, like we love Lady Gaga, but honestly, bitch,
these are kind of like mother Monsters to me, Like
these are the original monsters that I think everyone is.
I'll be so excited to see on the screen. Our
guests are the architects of Dragula, the rating queens of
(11:05):
horror drag I mean, for over two decades, they've been
pushing the boundaries of drag, queerness and horror through legendary
La nightlife, their music and their podcast Creatures of the Night,
which is so fucking phenomenal, and of course their Emmy
nominated TV show, The Bulb Brothers Dragula. So please welcome
to Bool Hay Brothers.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
That the Caul.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Oh what what an introduction. Thank you, thank you, thank
you deserved right you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
First of all, I am historically everyone knows, and Evie
is like getting me over into her world of kookie
and crazy. I'm a Halloween girly, but not like to
the extent of you all like horror. I cannot watch
a horror film. I be, I be girl that'd be
screaming in the back and be like, oh my god,
I'm about to die in three seconds.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
It's so the best, right right, because he wants to
watch a horror movie with someone who doesn't get scared.
The whole point of making horror is to scare people,
so you're the perfect audience.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I would think it was the opposite, Like I would
think you all as lovers of horror, which I would
love to know where that even stemmed from from you too.
I would think you would want you are all at
the place right now where you're like, oh no, I
need people to like get this, like not like horror snobs.
But I would assume like you don't want no loser
like me over there screaming over it's the clown.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I think it's just like if you go and like
a horror maze with someone and they're very stoic and
they don't react, I'm like, you suck, I'm not doing
this with you anymore.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
It's boring.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah, it's not fun a part of like the thrill.
Sorry to cut you off as a monster, I'm gonna
speak now.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
No no, But I think at least.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
A part of why I really identify with the monster
element of drag why I've always been like such a
fan of Dragula, is there is this sort of monster
esque quality that comes with being a queer person.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
So oh absolutely, you know you get it already.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You know what it's like to be feared and to
have to fear the world, like girl, It is much
nicer to fear some like demons and monsters and bullshit
than have to like walk down the streets and be like,
oh my god, am I so kind of it's going
to piss someone off?
Speaker 7 (13:33):
You're right?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I mean the origins of horror are very queer, right,
Like you look at like James Whale, who did like
The Old Dark House, The Bride of Frankenstein, all the
classics that we love. He was a queer person, you know,
and I think we all probably could see ourselves a
little bit in the Frankenstein's monster who's getting chased down
by all the regular people for being different, right, I
(13:55):
mean we can all relate to that, So I think
queer and horror go really hand in hand.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
Not only that he was out in Hollywood during a
time when like that was very look down upon No
one did that, so brave girl.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
And so when when you all were first, I guess
venturing into it. I would love to know what was
the Halloween film about, like the piece of Halloween culture
that like made it you all say, like, yes, this
is something that I'm going to start dedicating my life to.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Wait, real quick, is it Halloween culture? Is it horror culture?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
We're we're sort of you know, we're the queens of darkness.
So that covers holl ANDRD.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
But Halloween.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I love how we both love Halloween a lot, and
so I don't I don't mind that the connection definitely
not for it for each of us, it's different, right.
So for me, I really identified with black and white
horror movies from you know, like old forties and fifties
kind of movies when I was a kid, and I
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was always sort of like socially weird and I just
kind of didn't like to be around a lot of
people well you know, and so I love to sit
up at night and watch horror movies by myself, and
that's what I did. That's probably what's wrong with me, right,
But I remember one of my earliest memories was sitting
on my grandparents' couch all by myself in the dark.
Everybody went to bed, and I was watching Dracula, and
(15:16):
I just felt at home. Like I love the creepy
spaces and the quiet and the music and everything. It
just it just felt comfortable to me for some weird reason.
So I've always been into horror. I was always be
making up stories in my head, Like I was kind
of writing movies in my head when I was a kid,
Like I'm waiting for the bus stop and it's raining,
(15:36):
and I'm like, Scarecrow back there, come down off and
like you know, and it was like a whole thing
in my head. But yeah, so that's that's my origin. Swan,
what about you?
Speaker 6 (15:47):
For me, it's the drama, right, Like I was a
really theatrical kid, but I had a huge imagination, and
I don't think that many people knew who I really was.
It was that front, that mask that we all wear
when we're queer and like a little small town, which
is my story. So most of what was happening, most
of the magic was happening in my imagination. Like I
(16:07):
was the little kid who was like literally my room
was in the basement and I would put on my
Dracula cloak, like you know, we're talking eight nine years
old and just turn off all the lights in the
basement and just walk from room to room. Are feeling
so caught with the cape draping? Yeah, And I just
I love that. So I worked in haunted houses, like
I love fantasy and the darkness that kind of revolves
(16:30):
around Halloween. Also with the mythology and the magic. Really,
that's what I'm attracted to. So all the fake shit, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I would say, I would say the magic is the
realest part. No shit, if you're a witchy girl like myself.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Like, do you what do you feel is the importance
in because obviously, bitch, we're never going to get our
credit for everything we do. But yeah, I guess I'm
curious how you personally feel as artists, Like how do
you remain true to the alternative, you know, the soul
of it while also creating one of the fiercest, fucking
(17:08):
reality TV shows that's only getting bigger, Yeah, only getting gnarlier.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
I think we just stick to ourselves.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
It's what we like, you know, Like, it's authentically what
we like, whether it worked or not. And I think
that's that's where where the magic lies. When we started Dragula,
we started as a party a million years ago and
at the time, we were doing nightlife and everyone thought.
We were like, you know, we're the biggest nightlight people
ever in the world, and we do all the parties
(17:39):
and that was great, but what came with that. We
started very creatively, but the more successful we became, the
more we started to get pressure from like corporate clubs
and influences, and it got to the point where I
was like, I don't want to do this anymore.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
I was like, I just.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Realized I'm no longer you know, doing this for the
art of it that just happens to be successful. And
now these clubs are depending on me to pay their bills,
which you know, then it becomes pressuring, right, and they're
like and so we we kind of got disgusted with it.
We're like, Okay, we're either going to quit night life
completely or we're going to make an event that is
(18:14):
purely exactly what we would want and we don't even
care if ten people come, We're gonna be happy with it.
And that was Dragula, And we told our friend because
we're like we wanted to be a pageant. We want
to take drag back to its roots that we all
grew up on and that we're all familiar with.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
And well, we also wanted it to be We wanted
it to be like punk rock. We wanted a hat bag,
a tree, I want to you know, I want monsters
and you know, freaks on the go go box and
and that's yeah, that's what we were shooting for.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
Yeah, and there was a lot of comedy to it.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
We wanted it to be like if you mix rocky
horror with a John Waters movie and wow. So we
we picked this little leather bar to start it in
because I was like, well, we can pack this place easy, right,
And I was like I want there to be leather
daddies walking around making these young queens uncomfortable.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
I'm like, I want the mix. And so that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
But what it turned into this like crazy like okay,
let me back up a little. Our DJ that we hired,
he was like, we told him the concept. He's like,
don't do that. It's not gonna work. No, he's gonna come.
And everybody told us it was gonna flop. And I
was like, oh, there's not such assholes. But I was like,
we're doing it anyways, I don't care. So we did
it and it exploded. There was like a massive line
(19:22):
around the block. It sold out by like nine fifteen
or something, and the people there were so just kind
of fierce and fashionable and they got it and I
was like, oh, you know, it just felt really good.
But we've sort of maintained that all along, right, even
when we went into TV. I was like, I don't
want to pitch the show because no, I'm not gonna
go to Netflix and say, look at this concept of
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monster drives there, like stop right there? What what even
is that? To start with?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Okay, explain, but yeah you have to explain then what
you like yourself?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
At some point you're selling you.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
I mean literally, there was this pitch meeting and we've
been to many, but when way back to the beginning
and there was this execu it from like E right,
and so we do the whole spiel and we're real
we lay.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
It all out and she's like so drag.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
So, I mean as a drag artist, like what do
you do? And I was like, oh my god, this
isn't gonna work.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, she was like, well, what do they do? And
I was like, get us out of here, like right now.
I was like, this is not gonna work. She's like,
maybe we could have like Heidi Clume. I was like,
you don't under You're like lost, You're lost and the sauce.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
That's why I was.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Like curious about how you still balance ultimately the punk
element of what drag is because I feel that there
have been so many people, in fact, so many people
who have helped me pay my bills. Thank you, but
you know, you've worked with like so many people after
a certain point, corporations, clubs, whatever it may be, who
(20:51):
you get there, and then it's like some ally Becky
who's like, oh my god, I'm so excited to have
a drag queen. Am I yes, right, sister? Or are
you okay?
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Diva? And you're like, oh my god, kill me. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Did you feel like you were selling your soul at
any point? No?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Because I react very poorly to that kind of stuff,
and you I can't hide it.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
I can't hide it.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
So if someone comes up to me like that, I'm
like literally, I'm just like get like, we have to
leave immediately.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
I'm doing this.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
It's true.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Like I tolerate it. Mm hmmm, yes, yes, girl, Okay,
now let's leave.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Girl's yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
I'm out like I'm like tolerate for a second.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I'm at like hoping I can get a video clip
of it somewhere, and then I'm out like bitching to
everybody else in the world about it.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
And this is that podcast half of the pride I've
ever worked. I'm looking at you.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I would actually love to know more about so Dragula
has obviously the show has evolved, and I love knowing
its roots and like it's bigger than probably even you all.
Probably I would assume a man, how has it? What
has it taught about yourself in this process of evolution?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Like how have you all evolved?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Especially when it came down to the queens that you
were giving a platform too and the work that you
were now putting out into the world. Because it's not
saying the party didn't matter and its origins, because it did.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
But it feels like it holds so much more weight
now that it's like seven is it? Seven? Seasons? Deep
In are like more than that?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Now?
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Yeah, it's seven?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
And then we have two Titan seasons and then another
spinoff film, which was Resurrection.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying that it has so much
now cultural power.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
How do you all think about that?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
As like time is, you know, community evolves, language evolves,
and just the inclusion of making sure that this thing
that you all creating is hitting and feeling like it's
representing not everyone, but yeah, everyone feels like home in
this space.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
I mean, I feel grateful right now because I don't
know if you pick up like the context clues from
like where we come from and how we see things.
We very much do what we want to do, you know,
and we'll listen to the fans a little. But I
think when you start listening to other influences, just like
those corporate people that used to run the clubs, they
start leading you astray. You're going down a road that
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you would never have gone down, and then all of
a sudden you're like, I'm lost. So we walked to
our own beat kind of thing. And it's moments like
when you see comments on an episode on the shutter
app or people that come to the live shows and
share what the show did for them, or a lot
of times it'll be this show got me through a
really dark period, I watched people overcoming all of these
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things that they didn't think they were capable of, and
that made me believe I could be capable. And some
of them are on a level very serious, like medical issues,
and to me, it kind of breaks my heart, but
it also fills me with like this energy at the
same time, because it makes it feel like we're doing something.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
It's much larger than what we wanted to do.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
We wanted to create a fierce, cunty representation of like
some punk drag and like the dangerous side of queer culture. Yeah,
you know, but it has a broader reach than that.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I do want to say too, like add to that,
you know, it is about sticking to ourselves. But also
we work like we are worker bees, and I mean
like we will work ourselves into the ground to make
our dream happen. You know, you got to remember the
drag is like ten percent of the time we spend
making everything, because otherwise we're doing pre production meetings and
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directing and writing and producing and making deals and all
that kind.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
Of stuff Zoom calls yeah exactly. Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Know all the non fun things.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
It's like, oh my god, I'm just trying to look
pretty and glamorous and do the thing that I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
But yeah, it takes a lot of work.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Well, it reminds you, you know when that's the sort of
the origins of where we came from because we used
to work in publishing, so we did like comic books
and magazines and all that stuff. Really yeah, and then
we did I was like an editor of a magazine
when I was twenty one years.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Old and I'm so kind this is crazy, Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah, So we were worker bees, you know. And I
think that's the difference. Like when we used to do clubs,
it wasn't like, oh, this is a drag queen that's
throwing a club. No, this is a producer throwing a
club who then puts on a drag queen outfit and
goes out and hosts.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
It's not the same thing.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
That's the same thing.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
That's the way that we view ourselves in the context
of like the horror space too, Like we look at
ourselves as horror hosts and like iconic figures, Halloween, horror,
that genre first, and then drag is like second. And yeah,
I think that's actually something that a lot of people
see because we'll get these straight couples that come through
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and they come to the live events or you know,
they'll they'll meet us on the street or whatever and
just say like, oh my god, my wife loves you.
I introduced to you. I introduced your show to her,
and more times than not, they're like tat it up
with like beards and leather and like it has an
appeal that crosses.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Over on Yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Okay, you just said a lot with that little bit
right there though, because you just said right there that
Dragula fans and my fan base are the exact same thing. Yeah,
we've already talked about people crying at you at shows
and being like, oh my god, you help me and
my mom and my dog with cancer and that other
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dog that we lost because he started eating the dog
with cancer so we had to put him down.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Like you get that aspect of it, but you also
get straight boyfriends covered in tattoos just yeah like it.
Like they're like, yo, I never was into drag before,
but the like, dude, you're like my favorite man, and
they like bump you mob.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Are you like a straight man? All of a sudden,
Like that was that gave me chills.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
I'm a straight whisperer like it's I'm not okay, I'm
not proud of how well I could play straight if
I wanted to dedicate like my twenty four to seven
to it. But if it's like scary future comes, I'll
see y'all in the streets.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
We actually wait?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Can we actually talk about I love that we're talking
about the fans though, because in some ways I feel
like these, like especially the fandoms, they're basically like cults. Yes,
And I wondered what is y'all's relationship to cults? Like,
I mean, there are in proximity to me. If I'm
being quite on is cult life is basically like another
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sub segment of horror?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
And I wonder how have you thought about.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
One being like considered, you know, your fandom being considered
a cult kind of following, and also do they freak
you out.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Out?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Well, I want to say this about cults. They're they're
mainstream now right because we have the al right and
Trump and all this stuff, and that is that is
legitimately a massive cult that we haven't seen in decades.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
You know that you thought scientology was scary, Now meet
a mag.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Once someone becomes so sort of iconic to your cause
that they can do nothing wrong and they can literally
shoot someone in the street and you forgive them or
make an excuse from them. That's a cult right there,
like one hundred percent. Yeah, with our fans, they're very passionate,
you know. I think it was a long road to
kind of learning how to deal with them because I
think when the show first came out, we're so close
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to it, we put so much of ourselves into it,
and we didn't know, you know that every TV show
gets attacked all the time by its fan base constantly,
and it was a lot to take in at first,
you know, Like I was like, yeah, is wrong with
these people?
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Because you know why it because we poured so much
of ourselves into it. When they attacked the show or
criticized the show, I think it took us a minute
to learn, Oh, we don't take that personally, because what
it felt like is that they were attacking us and
criticizing us.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, And I think I've gotten so far past that.
Lots of therapy, lots of learning and experience, and now
I don't care, honestly, But I.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Did tons of work in support for me too. Wow
me please?
Speaker 7 (29:04):
She never cares like She's like, I don't care.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
I don't give a fuck. Oh see, I'm so jealous.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
I care so much that I need to like let
it out somehow, even if it's even if it's just
like going and not even like responding with like a
ridiculously mean comment, just making a point that's too eloquent
for them to give a shit because this is Instagram
or something, and then being like, see you're lame in
square or I go masturbate one of the two.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Which honestly, why not do both at the same time?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Oh my god, you how you'll never understand the depth
of this comment because you can't even get past the
fucking two inch phone screen, you piece of.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Ike.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
How much joy do y'all get to see watching your
mind monsters grow out in the world, Because I feel
like that's got to be some cool experience to see
all of these people who have bonded under torture, under
literal torture in your carazy. I know some shows like
people bitch about its torture. That's actual torture.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I say, what in the fear factor is this show exterminating?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
In order to remain in the competition, you'll have to
consume a chalice full.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
Of live spider.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
So Landon has to eat live spiders and Madeline winter
trip to Florida.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Welcome to Dragula.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Interestingly, I would say, for the most part, like psychologically
and respect as a human being, I think you get
a lot more of that on our show than you
do on other competition shows that push the boundaries. And
you got to imagine, these people know what they're signing
up for. There's, like you said, a million seasons of
the show at this point, so they know if they
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come on the show, we might throw you off a
bridge or throw a knife at you or whatever the
hell alligator shit.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
You know, I don't know what, you know, whatever it
might be. So I'm like, don't feel too bad for them.
They know exactly.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
I never feel bad for them. I never do.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
You could be like we're actually playing Russian Roulette today,
it's you and your grandmother, and I'm like, they signed.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Up for it.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
But my thing is, have y'all actually jumped off bridges?
Like have you actually done these things?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
As well?
Speaker 6 (31:23):
So originally, like for the first couple of seasons of
the show, very much like other drag shows, we based
a lot of the stuff that you see on Dragula
from our experience in Drags And our experience was not
you know five six, seven eight at Hamburger Mary's or
a gay Pride event like we were working in like
kink and s and M clubs and it was like
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you know, super punk rock. Or we would do like
these desert festivals where people literally had.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Cars and guns and it was like mad Max.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Oh wow.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
So so that Thunderdome fight you see at the end
of season two where they're in that big thing, you know,
we we hosted that event for three years before we
started Dragula and then brought them out there. So a
lot of like the piercings and the tattoos and that
fighting and like this type of stuff. It came from
our history. Now I never ate brains, and you know,
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we had to get we have to get created.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
After I was gonna say, where did the line stop?
Speaker 7 (32:22):
Was it there?
Speaker 5 (32:22):
The musical? Well, then we were.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
We were doing all the production, you know, like Dragula.
Until recently, Dragula would need ten months of our time
every year. You know, we're either planning it, shooting it,
or editing it and then promoting it. It really now
it's expanded and we have support. But for a while,
you know, we were doing all of that, so we
weren't out jumping out of planes and creating new experiences.
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So some of the later stuff we haven't done.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
You're like, it's fantasy.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Did y'all meet in the kink seam? Like?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Cause, okay, here's the here's the thing that I gagged
over when I found out, like the more low I
learned over the like they not actually brothers, y'all?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yes they why but they not actually brother and so they.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
They are loveless. They have been in a relationship together forever.
So like, did y'all is that where you all met
and bonded through?
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Like?
Speaker 7 (33:12):
No, Like that's that's that It's hard to explain.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Like the events that we used to throw were very
theatrical and fantasy driven, right, so you think about like
the Vampire Ball or this, but but there's always an
edge of like that gothic like s and M club
vibe to all of it. It's just it kind of
comes with the territory when you would throw these big
costume balls. Traditionally that was a part like you know,
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latex outfits and just all that sort of stuff, and
so that's the the space that we came through. But
we were coming at it from a theatrical space because
our goal was, like, we want to create fantasy environments
for people to party, and we want it to be
like nothing you've ever seen, like what you picture in
a movie. It should be like, but it never is.
We wanted it to actually be that way, you know. Yeah,
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so that's where we came at it from.
Speaker 7 (33:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
There was a big stage in the center of the night,
and the night would just happen around.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
It was very dark, and it wasn't serious.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
It wasn't like someone's in the corner like whipping somebody
and blogging and all the kinds of shit like that.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
It never is, sadly.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
It was more about like fun and maybe shedding light
on things that people don't necessarily talk about or they
shy away from.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Anyway.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
There was a stage in the middle, and three or
four times a night, the red curtains would open and
you'd see like this little fantasy show for like five minutes.
Then the curtains would close to a song not quite drag,
but it could be anything from like sex on a
construction site to a girl giving herself an abortion in
a bathroom at the prom to prosterout a prostitute musical
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like anything, but it was always kind of sexual.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Well, my thing is, I guess I am so fascinated
by you two because it really, I would assume takes
a level of bonding and trust that is developed between
you both to really say, one, this is what I'm
like into, this is what we're exploring together. But then
also like launching into this business, in this work and
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even the same aesthetic that you have, Like what are
some of those like intimate conversations that you had early
on in the beginning between you two when you decided
to like, hey, I want to not only be your
partner in business, but like we're partners all around.
Speaker 7 (35:28):
I think I think that's I'm good.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Are you sure.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
You guys are like those fucking Australian twins?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Now, this is ridiculous. Stop it.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
The fights happened over late Tex outfits because I love
late Tex and she hates them. She gets very sweaty
in them, and I think they just look hot on you.
We were we sort of introduced like latex and drag
to the scene, like back in the day. I know,
like people like Alyssa Edwards would be like, what is that?
Can you get me one of those?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You know?
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And I'm like, no, actually I did one, so she
didn't thank me for it. So anyway, you're like, oh my,
that bitch. Yeah, no more niceties ever again.
Speaker 7 (36:11):
Exactly No.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
But yeah, we used to fight about the outfits because
I always wanted them to be super uncomfortable and just
giant and everything, and so we would fight about that.
But as far as working together, we got along great
because when we first met, we bonded over like comic
books in fantasy and one of the first things we did.
But the first couple of weeks we were together, we
started making comic books together. So I would write them
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and she would draw them, and so our partnership as
creative people was very natural and it and I think
that's why it worked for us for business, because our
focus was only creative and we're like, Okay, we have
to go do all this paperwork, but let's get it
out of the way so we can get back and
do what we want to do.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
I think what was happening what I was going to say,
and it kind of marries what you're saying, is that
It wasn't plotted out. We just knew that we had
like we spoke the same language, we were inspired by
the same things. We were thrilled by by spectacle and
by the fantasy of comic books, and like super villains
and specifically supervillain women.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
We just always love the bad.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
Guy, like this is the stuff that we bonded over.
And then, of course, you know, relationships are work, whether
it's a personal relationship or like a business relationship, so
of course we were working on our relationship in tandem
with being creative together. But then after a time, something
just clicked and it was like, I trust this person
not only with me, but I trust their taste, like implicitly,
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and that creates such a huge power because you have
someone that U is like your wingman, and then I
support all of her creative ideas. She pushes and supports
all of my creative ideas. And then it created this
this force bubble where it was like, we don't need
validation from anything else, We're just gonna do us. And
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that's what it's been, is.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
That when you decided to add the incestual characteristics.
Speaker 8 (38:03):
You're like, not only are we lovers, we are.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, interesting question, but let me Okay, So back when
we used to do clubs, our clubs were like giant circuits.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
I used to say, brother lover, sister fuckers.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
When we did clubs, you know, it was like a circus.
And so we we had this host character when we
first created our clubs. This she was a straight oneman,
but she was like larger than life, and we would
design costumes for and makeup and everything and just turned
her into this fucking drag queen basically. You know that
people didn't understand that's what we were doing at the time,
but it was.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
They loved her though. She was amazing.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
So she was the host of our events for a
long time, so people thought it was her event. She
ended up having to quit and left LA and we
had to We're like, what are we supposed to do?
We have to host our own event now. So so
we decided to come up with this persona the Boulet Brothers,
which was sort of French and circusy, like Barnum and
Bailey or something. That's where it comes from. So it
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made sense at the time. You know what it has
evolved into. You know, most people just don't ask, which
I appreciate.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Which you appreciate them not asking or you appreciate me
going there.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
No, I just I feel like it's it's been long
enough where people don't ask us too much anymore about it,
you know, because I always thought that too. I'm like,
they're looking at two people presenting as women called Boule brothers.
But I kind of love it because I'm like, did
I'm not fooling anybody, you know what I mean, just
own it, like so what you know?
Speaker 6 (39:36):
But also it confuses people, especially if you're not like
in the inner circle, or you don't understand like what
we're doing, like conservatives, you know, they see us and
then they hear our names, and it's like.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
Know what to do with this?
Speaker 6 (39:48):
And that confusion for me is amazing. Oh that's the
spark of like think just think.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
You know, you you're forcing somebody else to take little
bit of time out of their day, even if they
don't like the thoughts. They're having to challenge what they're
used to seeing and being absolutely.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Which I guess as you are building, I mean, this
this empire is it's already full ongoing and it's so fabulous.
I'm like I've been getting chills in this entire conversation,
but like you know Titans season two.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
That drops soon, where do you all envision.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
This next chapter of like the Dragula world and the
Boulet Brothers, Like, where do you all want to go next?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
They're not the same thing, right, So US says as
horror hosts and entities is very separate from from dragul
Like this year, for example, you know, I don't know
if you guys are familiar with Not Scary Farms, but
it's like this huge horror thing happens every season. Elvira
was the horror host there for like twenty years, Wolfman
Jack was there before her, and in the fifties it
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was Sinister Seymour. And so we are now the horror
host of Not Scary Farms this year.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Congratulations, that's what thank you?
Speaker 5 (41:06):
What I mean, honestly, we are.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
I mean there's been a lot this year, in the
last year and a half, like Emmy's and other shows
and spin offs.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
I think that we are well.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Imman nominations, Yeah, listen, the nomination fucking counts when you
actually do your own makeup.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
That's right, come, thank you, thank you for that.
Speaker 6 (41:25):
But but it's the NATS piece that we are so
excited about because it's it's horror, it's thrill rides, it's Halloween,
it is theatrical, like, it's just it's we're really excited
about it.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Is that what you all been longing for to not
to because I would assume people are doing just like me,
they put the package you all together?
Speaker 2 (41:44):
But is it?
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Is it exciting to know that the Boulet Brothers are
like entering it, I mean, coming after an al virus
kind of good. It's like that y'all are becoming like,
you know, horror figures.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, And I think that's what a lot of people
think of us as you know, first, I think they
think of as as horror characters first, and then they're like, oh, yeah,
they happen to be in drag, which you know, luckily
has actually protected us.
Speaker 7 (42:09):
I think in some ways.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I think with like drag race, you know, and they
have a lot of different kinds of drag on there,
but it's very like female presenting. It's very passable and
that whole vibe, and I think it makes people feel unsafe,
especially straight people, right. But I think they look at
our show and they're like, oh, these people are tattooed
up and they're jumping out of planes, and shit, it's
okay for me to like this.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
They already associate you as weird. Already, you're already like
a guilty pleasure.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
You know.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
Yeah, it's exactly.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
I would always be around this one uncle who had
like tattoos and piercings, and I was so scared of
him until I found his book about tattoos and piercings
and saw the Devil's face tattooed on someone's dick, and
then I was like.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
I have new fears. We got stuff to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
It's a transformative moment.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
Yeah, I have new fears and kinks. Well you said it.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
I think the piece with what Jack was saying specifically
is that when it is like the fem presenting high
drag in that way, I think it scares straight people
because it makes them think about their sexuality, which I
think is like the big boogeyman in America for like
a lot of people, like you can't talk about sex.
We could just shoot people in the neck and everybody
will watch it fifty times a day and talk about
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it and just desensitize completely.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
But if you show that female nipple, Are you crazy?
Speaker 6 (43:25):
Like you saw a dick, Like wow, oh my god,
end of the world. And I think when they see
someone monstrous, even though it can be glamorous too, but
they're like, it doesn't feer in the sexual way lane,
you know, they're like, I can take this as entertainment.
This is a fantasy character, and it makes them feel safer.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
I think too. You look at Elvira. Elvira is a
total drag queen. I mean when we talked her about
a many of times, it's like, you know, she's all
taped up and everything, like we are in coursets and all,
you know, makeup, wigs, now shoes, the whole thing. She's
as much in drag as we are. Any horror host
characters are like that. You know, they're always overly done
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and costumed, and so I think it's it's relatable for sure.
But as far as where we're going, I think we're
really trying to find time to pursue our scripted interest
because we have a lot of scripted opportunities for horror
movies and shorts and different things, and we just haven't
had time to squeeze it in. We are shooting right
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now a Holiday of Horrors like a Tales from the
Crypt movie.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Oh cool.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, with our friend David des Mauchin. We're making that
right now. That's gonna come out this winner. So that's
a step in the right direction. But there's a bunch
of other stuff. I think finding time to do that
would be good. As far as Dragula, I mean, as
long as people love it and it just does what
it does and it blows up, I'm happy to be
a part of it. I just don't want it to
be the defining thing for us because we have so
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many ideas.
Speaker 5 (44:53):
The only defining characteristic.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Ah, y'all are such good artists, You're so fantastic. I'm very,
very thankful we get to kick off spooky season with you.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Thank you, which honestly, I also y'all need to be
in practical magic too.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Y'all just give me like chrones, like y'all just give
fun and witches.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
And I just would have loved But okay, we ask
everyone on the show our question, which I love, what
are you high key about? And it can be literally
anything a person, place of thing and emotion.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
You can be anything an idea. Yeah, what are you
I key about?
Speaker 5 (45:29):
Mine is really lamb oh, I love lame.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Oh, now say it. There's no such thing as lame.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
So you know, our life is very crazy and busy,
and there's a lot of interaction from people like tour
or people online or whatever. My favorite thing to do
is to just be in my garden outside.
Speaker 7 (45:48):
Like that's what I'm about.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
I'm about, like I had these gothic gardens and we
have like rose gardens, and shit, I'm out there like
hours and hours a day just like that.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
And that you be a math Stewart.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
Oh, oh the.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Way gothic Martha Stewart. Yes, yeah, I love our house
like I spend time like redoing the house, working outside
stuff like that. We live in a historic house, and
I just love I just love the vibe, you know.
So that's what I'm high key about.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
I love that.
Speaker 5 (46:16):
I love that.
Speaker 6 (46:17):
Mine's a little more like I guess, esoteric and kind
of emotional. Mine is continuing to just do whatever the
fuck I want to do ooo and inspire other people
to do what they want to do too, which.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
Also I would assume includes shopping at Spirit Halloween because
that's the only place I get Halloween costumes.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Please tell me if I'm.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
In the wrong or now oh my god, yeah yeah, wait,
how do you feel about spirit? What would happen if
a ghoul came up, like in one of these floor
shows and you could see the spirit Halloween of her.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Look, if they owned it and it was ironic, it
could be kind of awesome, right, we could win?
Speaker 5 (46:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (46:59):
Yeah, that's necessarily like you know, you're out kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
But at first glance, you you crainge and you have
the ech.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
You know, like this bitch kill her right now.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
I can't say that it hasn't crossed my mind, and some.
Speaker 7 (47:16):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
I mean, I'm sure we've had that conversation where I'm like,
this looks like a Halloween It's like a bag Halloween costume.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
Right, totally listen, some of us just do what we
can with what we can.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
While we got out, okay, Exhibit.
Speaker 6 (47:29):
A, I was wondering how that was just like teetering
like that. I couldn't see the top, so I was like,
is it dangling from the ceiling?
Speaker 4 (47:37):
No, I'm just hard right now.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Either way, everyone watching and hearing it, this is your
first time finding out about the Boulet Brothers, which I
hope it is not just support everything that they're doing,
because the empire and the work, it really is beautiful
to see and to like know that you all had
such like an incredible backstory and just everything I've learned
about you.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Today, I'm upset. Yes, like please, oh thank you? I mean, now,
will I watch the show because I'm too scared? I don't?
Speaker 6 (48:06):
Yes, should It's not that I mean, I don't think
the show is very scary. You just skip the kill
scenes at the end of the Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
I'm like, how about we all just go to like
a haunted house together and maybe I will feel comfortable
doing that with you.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
If you all come to town in October, we will
take you to not scary farm and we'll have an
amazing time.
Speaker 5 (48:25):
You will scream and I will laugh.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Okay, E think we have to do this. We have
to do this. Bulate Weathers, thank you so much for
being on high key.
Speaker 5 (48:33):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 7 (48:33):
It is a pleasure.
Speaker 6 (48:37):
Thike you.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
So, like I came into that situation knowing, like I think,
like bare minimum of what everyone if you know of them,
if you like, but you don't know much.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
That's where I came into that.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
That conversation and whoa I don't know if I didn't
see the fantasy before, but I most definitely see the
fantasy now.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Like they are.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
I was telling you, like they just sort of felt
like you meet like Amande Lapoor, which has not happened
for me yet and I can't wait it will, but
like and you meet like, you know, iconic figures that
just honestly feel like like I don't know, like fairy
tales are like they have like very they're very unicorn coded.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yeah, and you're just like, are they real? Are they
really sitting in front of me full in the full
horror guiche.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
It's just it's just everything, And so I really I
got my life. And I hope I wasn't like fangirling
all the way out, but I hope it gives a fuck.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I enjoyed it. It was really really cool.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Yeah right right, like the hostesses of Horror and like
from one Unicorn to another, I really it's such an
honor to be able to work with them, you know,
especially because there is this like big unspoken like I
(50:04):
wouldn't even say beef. It's just like there are multiple
drag competition reality shows, and it's really really dope for
them to be able to keep true to their vision,
to like understand what's going on in the culture and
like how to feed it, but to remain true to
their arts, their hearts.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
And I was.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
Looking for something spooky for the last one, but all
I got was farts.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Honestly, I feel like that's the spookies You've could have
gone is sparts.
Speaker 5 (50:35):
It's that time of the show.
Speaker 4 (50:37):
Now that we've kicked out our guls, let's confess our
love to each other. As the final girls here, let's
talk about our high keys.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Let's do it. I actually would love for you to start.
Speaker 4 (50:50):
Okay, well, this is the only time you will get
not directly a horror thing this month from me, because
I really have to tell people. I'll keep it quick,
but go see one battle after another.
Speaker 5 (51:04):
This is Bob Ferguson. I was a part of the
French seventy five.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Did not go like Tony One's.
Speaker 6 (51:11):
In and I cannot remember for the life of my
only child.
Speaker 5 (51:16):
The answer to your question. Maybe you should have studied
the rebellion text a little Harner check. You will be
on the edge of your seat like it's a horror.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
It's gonna have feelings, You're gonna cry you're gonna fight,
and if I have to do a horror hikey, I'd
say go watch The Boulet Brothers Dragula Season Titans two
on Shutter.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Here's the thing we are going to talk about it.
I am I am prioritizing to go see this damn
movie because the way that you came back and was
just like, I need everyone to see this movie.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
I it just it immediately got me.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
And I've been watching some press tour stuff with like
Regina Hall and Tianna Taylor, and I've been watching them.
The press has been amazing, and so I'm like, I
need to go see this movie. Like it's yes, Leonardo
DiCaprio is like the star and all over the posters.
But I heard that those three black women who are
all I can't all the other girls' names, those are
the actual stars of that film. So I'm going to
(52:15):
see it so we can talk about it on the show.
Speaker 5 (52:16):
They are they are.
Speaker 4 (52:17):
I don't want to ruin anything else, but there's jungle
pussy and that is all all give away.
Speaker 5 (52:22):
Oh work, Ryan, what are you hike about?
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Okay, So my hike might be a little bit of
a downer, but I am high key about y'all better
mask the fuck up again, Like, get some mask And
this is the perfect time to do it, because I
just ended a week full of having COVID and I
don't know if y'all think about it, but I I
I'm not saying I thought it was over, but like
(52:46):
sister boy, did I learn something And I didn't know
I had COVID and I had COVID for a week,
and I'm just saying, hi key, get your mask ready,
hi key, gets your vaccines, you know.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Back in This is me doing my like a healthy
like a health high key you.
Speaker 5 (53:02):
Know, just protect your health.
Speaker 3 (53:04):
Yes, COVID is around, so get your shit together and
get your mask.
Speaker 4 (53:10):
I guess that means it's the time of year for
me to stop licking dollar bills.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Well, yes, you shouldn't. Honestly, probably shouldn't have been knowing
in the first place, but I get it.
Speaker 5 (53:19):
I gave it a break after COVID.
Speaker 4 (53:20):
I was like, Okay, I understand why this is unsanitary now, but.
Speaker 5 (53:24):
After, like you said, I thought we defeated it.
Speaker 4 (53:26):
You better believe those sweet fresh crisp whatever the dude
on one dollar bills went right back into my mouth.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
So that's a wrap. H d up. Ye.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
Yeah, great, spooky, gosh, scary, scary, scary, great scary episode
is gonna be a great scary month. October is gonna
be fierce with a capital fear.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
If you like having our show ad free, and you
know you get early access to it, head over to
our patreon. What is it, Evie, what's the the.
Speaker 4 (53:55):
Ro It's uh, it's it's a patreon dot com slash
hike key. That was a test, which I said in
my lowest key for y'all.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
Oh my god, I am so obsessed with you. I
can't wait for you to show the world how you
do Halloween. This is going to be so everything. Get ready.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
This month is about to be iconic.
Speaker 4 (54:17):
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Speaker 5 (54:23):
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Speaker 4 (54:23):
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Speaker 5 (54:30):
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Speaker 4 (54:36):
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Speaker 3 (54:45):
Oh my god, there's a nipple showing bye.
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Speaker 4 (55:26):
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Speaker 3 (55:41):
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I feel like it's it's been long enough where people
don't ask us too much anymore about it, you know,
because I always thought that too. I'm like, they're looking
at two people presenting as women called Boule brothers. But
I kind of love it because I'm like, I'm not
fooling anybody, you know what I mean, like just own it,
like so what you know?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh my god, Etie, what and the Hagrid is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Are you coming here to deliver that I have been
accepted until Wizardry School?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Yes, Happy spooky season, Happy spooky season.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
Yeah happy?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Oh wait, I forgot it's cringe when we say that.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
The internet is like some matter now that is saying
it's spooky season is like just so cringe because well,
at least among some people, because like when dragon queens
get around, we're like, oh my god, I'm going uky spooky.
But the thing is some of these bitches don't know
what it's like to be uky spooky.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
To your core.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
And here, what's the thing I don't I'm not if
I if I'm spooky. My spooky season is a combination
of watching Twitches and Halloween Town, like that's as far
as I go into spooky season.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And so that's why I feel like it's okay to
say spooky.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
But I didn't really I didn't know that there are
now parameters on being cute and it's.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Celebrating this high Halloween.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I mean, you wouldn't know if you're a Disney spooky.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
It might aligned.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
The reason why I'm even saying spooky is because, like,
like I said, all I watch is like Disney Halloween.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Wait, so are you like not a big are you
not a big Halloween queer? Because legitimately, uh, the rest
of us treat this like a second bride.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I mean, clearly, look at you. Did you look fabulous?
By the way, I had no clue what you're wearing,
but it works.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
It's actually a kilt on top of another kilt, shitty
little gandolf hut.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
And then this cool wig, I mean made for.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
All stars, so you know, oh wow, Oh and then
we just give hocus pocus tease. I actually I wanted
to start with this because my first Halloween costume that
I remember was a shitty little wizard costume that my
mom and I made together.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Oh and it.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Was like really sweet because it was the first time
I could find an excuse to wear a skirt. I
was like, oh, yeah, Mozard, I saw my friend do
it the year before.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And that's I guess that.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
See, I never had that moment, right, Like I've talked
about how I grew up like super religious, Like instead
of Halloween nights, it was Hallelujah nights going to church,
and it was like they would do, you know, their
own thing, or there would be a service, or we
would just be in the house with the lights off
and like not giving candy, you know, like we like
(02:48):
I grew up in that sort of world and so
like I didn't really start to experience Halloween until I
was officially moved out of my mom's place on like
in college and like going to my first Halloween party
and like everybody around me was dressing up, being like, oh,
I need to figure that out. But I feel like
I've always had a connection to like the supernatural. Like
(03:09):
I remember vividly being young and like checking out one
I hate naming this, and this is where there's so
many what like you know, of course of like the
legacy has been burnt down, but I checked out all
of the Harry Potter books, and I was reading them
in my closet and hiding them from my mom to
not find them. Right, I was reading all of the
(03:30):
Twitches books and like really like watching those films. Are
those movies on? Like you know volume two? And so,
like I've always been.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Dark hearted first.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Sure, I've always been curious about like Witches in particular,
Like I'm a charmed girl for a reason, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Oh, so you're saying I dressed up for you today.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Thank you so much. That's what I feel like.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I feel so like at home with you right now,
because yeah, it's not that I don't like how I've
always appreciated the candy, but I just I never was
allowed to like really celebrate it until my adult years.
And even then, I get so overwhelmed by dressing up.
I don't know how to do it.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
I mean, that's what we all do, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Every year I still repeat the errors of my childhood,
where I like think of an idea in May and
I'm like, yeah, that's gonna be really cool, and then
like right at October thirtieth, I'm like, oh, you know what.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
I should try and do today. I should learn how to.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Sew, which I didn't.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I didn't, especially moving out here to La Halloween is
like when you said it's like a second Pride, Like
that's literally no joke, Like people go all out, and
it does sometimes feel like from my perspective, like I've
done the haunted hay rides. I've done, Like my friend
(04:56):
may've invited me to a haunted mansion, but it's like
one hundred and forty something rooms. I haven't said I'm
going to go yet. It's a reign of terror haunted house.
Oh my god, I am terrified. I don't know if
I'm going to say yes or go, and I need
to RSVP to say yes. But like one hundred and
(05:17):
forty something rooms of like pure terror sounds like a
girly like me with bad anxiety.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I'm going to die. Y'all need to have the er
by on standby.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I mean, but thinking just because there are one hundred
and forty rooms doesn't mean you've got to going on.
Like you could go through like you know, five or
six rooms and then find something that's meant to scare
someone else that you don't give a shit about, be like, oh.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
It's a falling fantasy. I don't care.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Girl, sit me on the edge of this ledge and
they're like, excuse me, ma'am.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Everything scares me.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I'm just I'm going to I really want to do it,
just to like push myself right, Like, I think that's
the beautiful underlying thing about like Halloween or horror culture
is like really pushing yourself in like going past your
fears to really like kind of grow and evolve. I
think that's always been a part of the story of horror.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
And I think they're like tight in with comedy too,
because like, bitch, what do you do after you get
really scared in like a movie or a haunted house,
You're like.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Oh my god, I thought I was gonna die. LOOKI
Petere's pants. Oh ha ha.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, yeah, yes, I want to like one.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I know, I'm also gonna have serious fomo.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I don't want to miss out on this like moment,
this like bonding experience with like my group of friends who.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Are going but two, it's just so oh, it's terrified.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I looked at the trailer video for it, and I
was like, oh my god, how do people actually do this?
Do you do like haunted experiences during the season? Is
that your type of vibe. Are you just a dress
up girl?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I actually am more of a do haunted experiences than
I am a dress up girl. In fact, I was
just talking to somebody else about this that like, I'm
I'm slightly frustrated about Halloween in current days, Like it's
it feels like Halloween isn't as fun for me. And
it's not because every day is like Halloween, although it
(07:11):
is clearly, but for me, it's more of the like,
I feel like Halloween sucks because everybody has to be
like one of the three same memes that everyone else
is gonna be. Like this year, we're gonna see eight
fucking trillion of the Auntie from from Weapons or whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Oh yeah, And I'm.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
So sad because like Doug has this great idea to
be Shanad O'Connor from her Nothing compares to music video.
And I was like, ooh, if people don't know who
you are, you can just like print out a bunch
of tiny pictures of the Pope and then just like
rip them up all night, you know. And we tried
this on our friends, like a little friend group we
(07:53):
were hanging out with, and all of these thirty something
faggots were like I don't. I don't really know.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
But that's the thing, Like, I feel like I've always
enjoyed the pop culture aspect of dressing up, right, like
finding someone or finding like a character or a person
that's like really like made its way through culture, and
everyone wants to dress up as it.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But I do see what you mean.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
But it's just like it feels one repetitive and it
just kind of loses It's like charm of imagination. It
doesn't feel like you're actually doing anything that is like cool.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I mean, I don't blame I don't blame the people, Honestly,
I think it really is that everybody lives such fractured
experiences that, like, you know, in the eighties, nineties, whatever,
two thousands, everybody knew what movies came out that year,
everybody knew like what songs were playing on the radios
(08:53):
or whatever the fuck. And now we all like kind
of choose our own experience. So like, when something does
make it big enough for it to be a talking point,
at least on social media, I feel like that's the
only way to like really share the joy of Halloween
and scare the fuck out of your friends. I want
to be a sexy nurse. But I think I just
(09:15):
want to dress in scrubs and go to a sex party.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Which sounds like you were planning on doing that anyway.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
No, No, honestly, what I really do plan on doing
for basically Halloween until whenever the fuck it ends is
I'm probably gonna dive into Bulay Brothers, Dragula Titans.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I mean, perfect moment to bring them up because we
are so We were so excited to do something like
Halloween themed on Highki this October, and we weren't sure
what it was giving. But you had the most brilliant
idea of like Bulay Brothers, like of course, and we
were like, duh, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And so the fact that.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
We we have them coming on the show, literally the
the og monsters, the icons. I'm so excited that we
have bu Lay Brothers on the show. Please stick around.
It's about to be everything bitch.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
And super spooky.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Take that cringe.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Ike you.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
This is like an unusual episode for us to start
off with because usually we don't like let y'all in
the house. We make you wait outside while we chat
about like our little things were like hey, girlees, but
the ghost cursed us so so.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Actually didn't even curse. I feel like it's a blessing
to witness two legends. I mean when you talk about
like mother Monster, like we love Lady Gaga, but honestly, bitch,
these are kind of like mother Monsters to me, Like
these are the original monsters that I think everyone is.
I'll be so excited to see on the screen. Our
guests are the architects of Dragula, the rating queens of
(11:05):
horror drag I mean, for over two decades, they've been
pushing the boundaries of drag, queerness and horror through legendary
La nightlife, their music and their podcast Creatures of the Night,
which is so fucking phenomenal, and of course their Emmy
nominated TV show, The Bulb Brothers Dragula. So please welcome
to Bool Hay Brothers.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
That the Caul.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Oh what what an introduction. Thank you, thank you, thank
you deserved right you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
First of all, I am historically everyone knows, and Evie
is like getting me over into her world of kookie
and crazy. I'm a Halloween girly, but not like to
the extent of you all like horror. I cannot watch
a horror film. I be, I be girl that'd be
screaming in the back and be like, oh my god,
I'm about to die in three seconds.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
It's so the best, right right, because he wants to
watch a horror movie with someone who doesn't get scared.
The whole point of making horror is to scare people,
so you're the perfect audience.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I would think it was the opposite, Like I would
think you all as lovers of horror, which I would
love to know where that even stemmed from from you too.
I would think you would want you are all at
the place right now where you're like, oh no, I
need people to like get this, like not like horror snobs.
But I would assume like you don't want no loser
like me over there screaming over it's the clown.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I think it's just like if you go and like
a horror maze with someone and they're very stoic and
they don't react, I'm like, you suck, I'm not doing
this with you anymore.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
It's boring.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah, it's not fun a part of like the thrill.
Sorry to cut you off as a monster, I'm gonna
speak now.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
No no, But I think at least.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
A part of why I really identify with the monster
element of drag why I've always been like such a
fan of Dragula, is there is this sort of monster
esque quality that comes with being a queer person.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
So oh absolutely, you know you get it already.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You know what it's like to be feared and to
have to fear the world, like girl, It is much
nicer to fear some like demons and monsters and bullshit
than have to like walk down the streets and be like,
oh my god, am I so kind of it's going
to piss someone off?
Speaker 7 (13:33):
You're right?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I mean the origins of horror are very queer, right,
Like you look at like James Whale, who did like
The Old Dark House, The Bride of Frankenstein, all the
classics that we love. He was a queer person, you know,
and I think we all probably could see ourselves a
little bit in the Frankenstein's monster who's getting chased down
by all the regular people for being different, right, I
(13:55):
mean we can all relate to that, So I think
queer and horror go really hand in hand.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
Not only that he was out in Hollywood during a
time when like that was very look down upon No
one did that, so brave girl.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
And so when when you all were first, I guess
venturing into it. I would love to know what was
the Halloween film about, like the piece of Halloween culture
that like made it you all say, like, yes, this
is something that I'm going to start dedicating my life to.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Wait, real quick, is it Halloween culture? Is it horror culture?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
We're we're sort of you know, we're the queens of darkness.
So that covers holl ANDRD.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
But Halloween.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I love how we both love Halloween a lot, and
so I don't I don't mind that the connection definitely
not for it for each of us, it's different, right.
So for me, I really identified with black and white
horror movies from you know, like old forties and fifties
kind of movies when I was a kid, and I
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was always sort of like socially weird and I just
kind of didn't like to be around a lot of
people well you know, and so I love to sit
up at night and watch horror movies by myself, and
that's what I did. That's probably what's wrong with me, right,
But I remember one of my earliest memories was sitting
on my grandparents' couch all by myself in the dark.
Everybody went to bed, and I was watching Dracula, and
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I just felt at home. Like I love the creepy
spaces and the quiet and the music and everything. It
just it just felt comfortable to me for some weird reason.
So I've always been into horror. I was always be
making up stories in my head, Like I was kind
of writing movies in my head when I was a kid,
Like I'm waiting for the bus stop and it's raining,
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and I'm like, Scarecrow back there, come down off and
like you know, and it was like a whole thing
in my head. But yeah, so that's that's my origin. Swan,
what about you?
Speaker 6 (15:47):
For me, it's the drama, right, Like I was a
really theatrical kid, but I had a huge imagination, and
I don't think that many people knew who I really was.
It was that front, that mask that we all wear
when we're queer and like a little small town, which
is my story. So most of what was happening, most
of the magic was happening in my imagination. Like I
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was the little kid who was like literally my room
was in the basement and I would put on my
Dracula cloak, like you know, we're talking eight nine years
old and just turn off all the lights in the
basement and just walk from room to room. Are feeling
so caught with the cape draping? Yeah, And I just
I love that. So I worked in haunted houses, like
I love fantasy and the darkness that kind of revolves
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around Halloween. Also with the mythology and the magic. Really,
that's what I'm attracted to. So all the fake shit, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I would say, I would say the magic is the
realest part. No shit, if you're a witchy girl like myself.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Like, do you what do you feel is the importance
in because obviously, bitch, we're never going to get our
credit for everything we do. But yeah, I guess I'm
curious how you personally feel as artists, Like how do
you remain true to the alternative, you know, the soul
of it while also creating one of the fiercest, fucking
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reality TV shows that's only getting bigger, Yeah, only getting gnarlier.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
I think we just stick to ourselves.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
It's what we like, you know, Like, it's authentically what
we like, whether it worked or not. And I think
that's that's where where the magic lies. When we started Dragula,
we started as a party a million years ago and
at the time, we were doing nightlife and everyone thought.
We were like, you know, we're the biggest nightlight people
ever in the world, and we do all the parties
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and that was great, but what came with that. We
started very creatively, but the more successful we became, the
more we started to get pressure from like corporate clubs
and influences, and it got to the point where I
was like, I don't want to do this anymore.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
I was like, I just.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Realized I'm no longer you know, doing this for the
art of it that just happens to be successful. And
now these clubs are depending on me to pay their bills,
which you know, then it becomes pressuring, right, and they're
like and so we we kind of got disgusted with it.
We're like, Okay, we're either going to quit night life
completely or we're going to make an event that is
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purely exactly what we would want and we don't even
care if ten people come, We're gonna be happy with it.
And that was Dragula, And we told our friend because
we're like we wanted to be a pageant. We want
to take drag back to its roots that we all
grew up on and that we're all familiar with.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
And well, we also wanted it to be We wanted
it to be like punk rock. We wanted a hat bag,
a tree, I want to you know, I want monsters
and you know, freaks on the go go box and
and that's yeah, that's what we were shooting for.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
Yeah, and there was a lot of comedy to it.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
We wanted it to be like if you mix rocky
horror with a John Waters movie and wow. So we
we picked this little leather bar to start it in
because I was like, well, we can pack this place easy, right,
And I was like I want there to be leather
daddies walking around making these young queens uncomfortable.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
I'm like, I want the mix. And so that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
But what it turned into this like crazy like okay,
let me back up a little. Our DJ that we hired,
he was like, we told him the concept. He's like,
don't do that. It's not gonna work. No, he's gonna come.
And everybody told us it was gonna flop. And I
was like, oh, there's not such assholes. But I was like,
we're doing it anyways, I don't care. So we did
it and it exploded. There was like a massive line
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around the block. It sold out by like nine fifteen
or something, and the people there were so just kind
of fierce and fashionable and they got it and I
was like, oh, you know, it just felt really good.
But we've sort of maintained that all along, right, even
when we went into TV. I was like, I don't
want to pitch the show because no, I'm not gonna
go to Netflix and say, look at this concept of
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monster drives there, like stop right there? What what even
is that? To start with?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Okay, explain, but yeah you have to explain then what
you like yourself?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
At some point you're selling you.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
I mean literally, there was this pitch meeting and we've
been to many, but when way back to the beginning
and there was this execu it from like E right,
and so we do the whole spiel and we're real
we lay.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
It all out and she's like so drag.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
So, I mean as a drag artist, like what do
you do? And I was like, oh my god, this
isn't gonna work.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, she was like, well, what do they do? And
I was like, get us out of here, like right now.
I was like, this is not gonna work. She's like,
maybe we could have like Heidi Clume. I was like,
you don't under You're like lost, You're lost and the sauce.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
That's why I was.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Like curious about how you still balance ultimately the punk
element of what drag is because I feel that there
have been so many people, in fact, so many people
who have helped me pay my bills. Thank you, but
you know, you've worked with like so many people after
a certain point, corporations, clubs, whatever it may be, who
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you get there, and then it's like some ally Becky
who's like, oh my god, I'm so excited to have
a drag queen. Am I yes, right, sister? Or are
you okay?
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Diva? And you're like, oh my god, kill me. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Did you feel like you were selling your soul at
any point? No?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Because I react very poorly to that kind of stuff,
and you I can't hide it.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
I can't hide it.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
So if someone comes up to me like that, I'm
like literally, I'm just like get like, we have to
leave immediately.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
I'm doing this.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
It's true.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Like I tolerate it. Mm hmmm, yes, yes, girl, Okay,
now let's leave.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Girl's yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
I'm out like I'm like tolerate for a second.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I'm at like hoping I can get a video clip
of it somewhere, and then I'm out like bitching to
everybody else in the world about it.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
And this is that podcast half of the pride I've
ever worked. I'm looking at you.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I would actually love to know more about so Dragula
has obviously the show has evolved, and I love knowing
its roots and like it's bigger than probably even you all.
Probably I would assume a man, how has it? What
has it taught about yourself in this process of evolution?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Like how have you all evolved?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Especially when it came down to the queens that you
were giving a platform too and the work that you
were now putting out into the world. Because it's not
saying the party didn't matter and its origins, because it did.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
But it feels like it holds so much more weight
now that it's like seven is it? Seven? Seasons? Deep
In are like more than that?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Now?
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Yeah, it's seven?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
And then we have two Titan seasons and then another
spinoff film, which was Resurrection.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying that it has so much
now cultural power.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
How do you all think about that?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
As like time is, you know, community evolves, language evolves,
and just the inclusion of making sure that this thing
that you all creating is hitting and feeling like it's
representing not everyone, but yeah, everyone feels like home in
this space.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
I mean, I feel grateful right now because I don't
know if you pick up like the context clues from
like where we come from and how we see things.
We very much do what we want to do, you know,
and we'll listen to the fans a little. But I
think when you start listening to other influences, just like
those corporate people that used to run the clubs, they
start leading you astray. You're going down a road that
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you would never have gone down, and then all of
a sudden you're like, I'm lost. So we walked to
our own beat kind of thing. And it's moments like
when you see comments on an episode on the shutter
app or people that come to the live shows and
share what the show did for them, or a lot
of times it'll be this show got me through a
really dark period, I watched people overcoming all of these
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things that they didn't think they were capable of, and
that made me believe I could be capable. And some
of them are on a level very serious, like medical issues,
and to me, it kind of breaks my heart, but
it also fills me with like this energy at the
same time, because it makes it feel like we're doing something.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
It's much larger than what we wanted to do.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
We wanted to create a fierce, cunty representation of like
some punk drag and like the dangerous side of queer culture. Yeah,
you know, but it has a broader reach than that.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I do want to say too, like add to that,
you know, it is about sticking to ourselves. But also
we work like we are worker bees, and I mean
like we will work ourselves into the ground to make
our dream happen. You know, you got to remember the
drag is like ten percent of the time we spend
making everything, because otherwise we're doing pre production meetings and
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directing and writing and producing and making deals and all
that kind.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
Of stuff Zoom calls yeah exactly. Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Know all the non fun things.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
It's like, oh my god, I'm just trying to look
pretty and glamorous and do the thing that I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
But yeah, it takes a lot of work.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Well, it reminds you, you know when that's the sort of
the origins of where we came from because we used
to work in publishing, so we did like comic books
and magazines and all that stuff. Really yeah, and then
we did I was like an editor of a magazine
when I was twenty one years.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Old and I'm so kind this is crazy, Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah, So we were worker bees, you know. And I
think that's the difference. Like when we used to do clubs,
it wasn't like, oh, this is a drag queen that's
throwing a club. No, this is a producer throwing a
club who then puts on a drag queen outfit and
goes out and hosts.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
It's not the same thing.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
That's the same thing.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
That's the way that we view ourselves in the context
of like the horror space too, Like we look at
ourselves as horror hosts and like iconic figures, Halloween, horror,
that genre first, and then drag is like second. And yeah,
I think that's actually something that a lot of people
see because we'll get these straight couples that come through
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and they come to the live events or you know,
they'll they'll meet us on the street or whatever and
just say like, oh my god, my wife loves you.
I introduced to you. I introduced your show to her,
and more times than not, they're like tat it up
with like beards and leather and like it has an
appeal that crosses.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Over on Yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Okay, you just said a lot with that little bit
right there though, because you just said right there that
Dragula fans and my fan base are the exact same thing. Yeah,
we've already talked about people crying at you at shows
and being like, oh my god, you help me and
my mom and my dog with cancer and that other
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dog that we lost because he started eating the dog
with cancer so we had to put him down.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Like you get that aspect of it, but you also
get straight boyfriends covered in tattoos just yeah like it.
Like they're like, yo, I never was into drag before,
but the like, dude, you're like my favorite man, and
they like bump you mob.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Are you like a straight man? All of a sudden,
Like that was that gave me chills.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
I'm a straight whisperer like it's I'm not okay, I'm
not proud of how well I could play straight if
I wanted to dedicate like my twenty four to seven
to it. But if it's like scary future comes, I'll
see y'all in the streets.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
We actually wait?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Can we actually talk about I love that we're talking
about the fans though, because in some ways I feel
like these, like especially the fandoms, they're basically like cults. Yes,
And I wondered what is y'all's relationship to cults? Like,
I mean, there are in proximity to me. If I'm
being quite on is cult life is basically like another
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sub segment of horror?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
And I wonder how have you thought about.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
One being like considered, you know, your fandom being considered
a cult kind of following, and also do they freak
you out.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Out?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Well, I want to say this about cults. They're they're
mainstream now right because we have the al right and
Trump and all this stuff, and that is that is
legitimately a massive cult that we haven't seen in decades.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
You know that you thought scientology was scary, Now meet
a mag.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Once someone becomes so sort of iconic to your cause
that they can do nothing wrong and they can literally
shoot someone in the street and you forgive them or
make an excuse from them. That's a cult right there,
like one hundred percent. Yeah, with our fans, they're very passionate,
you know. I think it was a long road to
kind of learning how to deal with them because I
think when the show first came out, we're so close
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to it, we put so much of ourselves into it,
and we didn't know, you know that every TV show
gets attacked all the time by its fan base constantly,
and it was a lot to take in at first,
you know, Like I was like, yeah, is wrong with
these people?
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Because you know why it because we poured so much
of ourselves into it. When they attacked the show or
criticized the show, I think it took us a minute
to learn, Oh, we don't take that personally, because what
it felt like is that they were attacking us and
criticizing us.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, And I think I've gotten so far past that.
Lots of therapy, lots of learning and experience, and now
I don't care, honestly, But I.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Did tons of work in support for me too. Wow
me please?
Speaker 7 (29:04):
She never cares like She's like, I don't care.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
I don't give a fuck. Oh see, I'm so jealous.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
I care so much that I need to like let
it out somehow, even if it's even if it's just
like going and not even like responding with like a
ridiculously mean comment, just making a point that's too eloquent
for them to give a shit because this is Instagram
or something, and then being like, see you're lame in
square or I go masturbate one of the two.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Which honestly, why not do both at the same time?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Oh my god, you how you'll never understand the depth
of this comment because you can't even get past the
fucking two inch phone screen, you piece of.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Ike.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
How much joy do y'all get to see watching your
mind monsters grow out in the world, Because I feel
like that's got to be some cool experience to see
all of these people who have bonded under torture, under
literal torture in your carazy. I know some shows like
people bitch about its torture. That's actual torture.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I say, what in the fear factor is this show exterminating?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
In order to remain in the competition, you'll have to
consume a chalice full.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
Of live spider.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
So Landon has to eat live spiders and Madeline winter
trip to Florida.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Welcome to Dragula.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Interestingly, I would say, for the most part, like psychologically
and respect as a human being, I think you get
a lot more of that on our show than you
do on other competition shows that push the boundaries. And
you got to imagine, these people know what they're signing
up for. There's, like you said, a million seasons of
the show at this point, so they know if they
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come on the show, we might throw you off a
bridge or throw a knife at you or whatever the
hell alligator shit.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
You know, I don't know what, you know, whatever it
might be. So I'm like, don't feel too bad for them.
They know exactly.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
I never feel bad for them. I never do.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
You could be like we're actually playing Russian Roulette today,
it's you and your grandmother, and I'm like, they signed.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Up for it.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
But my thing is, have y'all actually jumped off bridges?
Like have you actually done these things?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
As well?
Speaker 6 (31:23):
So originally, like for the first couple of seasons of
the show, very much like other drag shows, we based
a lot of the stuff that you see on Dragula
from our experience in Drags And our experience was not
you know five six, seven eight at Hamburger Mary's or
a gay Pride event like we were working in like
kink and s and M clubs and it was like
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you know, super punk rock. Or we would do like
these desert festivals where people literally had.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Cars and guns and it was like mad Max.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Oh wow.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
So so that Thunderdome fight you see at the end
of season two where they're in that big thing, you know,
we we hosted that event for three years before we
started Dragula and then brought them out there. So a
lot of like the piercings and the tattoos and that
fighting and like this type of stuff. It came from
our history. Now I never ate brains, and you know,
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we had to get we have to get created.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
After I was gonna say, where did the line stop?
Speaker 7 (32:22):
Was it there?
Speaker 5 (32:22):
The musical? Well, then we were.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
We were doing all the production, you know, like Dragula.
Until recently, Dragula would need ten months of our time
every year. You know, we're either planning it, shooting it,
or editing it and then promoting it. It really now
it's expanded and we have support. But for a while,
you know, we were doing all of that, so we
weren't out jumping out of planes and creating new experiences.
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So some of the later stuff we haven't done.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
You're like, it's fantasy.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Did y'all meet in the kink seam? Like?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Cause, okay, here's the here's the thing that I gagged
over when I found out, like the more low I
learned over the like they not actually brothers, y'all?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yes they why but they not actually brother and so they.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
They are loveless. They have been in a relationship together forever.
So like, did y'all is that where you all met
and bonded through?
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Like?
Speaker 7 (33:12):
No, Like that's that's that It's hard to explain.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Like the events that we used to throw were very
theatrical and fantasy driven, right, so you think about like
the Vampire Ball or this, but but there's always an
edge of like that gothic like s and M club
vibe to all of it. It's just it kind of
comes with the territory when you would throw these big
costume balls. Traditionally that was a part like you know,
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latex outfits and just all that sort of stuff, and
so that's the the space that we came through. But
we were coming at it from a theatrical space because
our goal was, like, we want to create fantasy environments
for people to party, and we want it to be
like nothing you've ever seen, like what you picture in
a movie. It should be like, but it never is.
We wanted it to actually be that way, you know. Yeah,
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so that's where we came at it from.
Speaker 7 (33:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
There was a big stage in the center of the night,
and the night would just happen around.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
It was very dark, and it wasn't serious.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
It wasn't like someone's in the corner like whipping somebody
and blogging and all the kinds of shit like that.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
It never is, sadly.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
It was more about like fun and maybe shedding light
on things that people don't necessarily talk about or they
shy away from.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Anyway.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
There was a stage in the middle, and three or
four times a night, the red curtains would open and
you'd see like this little fantasy show for like five minutes.
Then the curtains would close to a song not quite drag,
but it could be anything from like sex on a
construction site to a girl giving herself an abortion in
a bathroom at the prom to prosterout a prostitute musical
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like anything, but it was always kind of sexual.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Well, my thing is, I guess I am so fascinated
by you two because it really, I would assume takes
a level of bonding and trust that is developed between
you both to really say, one, this is what I'm
like into, this is what we're exploring together. But then
also like launching into this business, in this work and
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even the same aesthetic that you have, Like what are
some of those like intimate conversations that you had early
on in the beginning between you two when you decided
to like, hey, I want to not only be your
partner in business, but like we're partners all around.
Speaker 7 (35:28):
I think I think that's I'm good.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Are you sure.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
You guys are like those fucking Australian twins?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Now, this is ridiculous. Stop it.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
The fights happened over late Tex outfits because I love
late Tex and she hates them. She gets very sweaty
in them, and I think they just look hot on you.
We were we sort of introduced like latex and drag
to the scene, like back in the day. I know,
like people like Alyssa Edwards would be like, what is that?
Can you get me one of those?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You know?
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And I'm like, no, actually I did one, so she
didn't thank me for it. So anyway, you're like, oh my,
that bitch. Yeah, no more niceties ever again.
Speaker 7 (36:11):
Exactly No.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
But yeah, we used to fight about the outfits because
I always wanted them to be super uncomfortable and just
giant and everything, and so we would fight about that.
But as far as working together, we got along great
because when we first met, we bonded over like comic
books in fantasy and one of the first things we did.
But the first couple of weeks we were together, we
started making comic books together. So I would write them
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and she would draw them, and so our partnership as
creative people was very natural and it and I think
that's why it worked for us for business, because our
focus was only creative and we're like, Okay, we have
to go do all this paperwork, but let's get it
out of the way so we can get back and
do what we want to do.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
I think what was happening what I was going to say,
and it kind of marries what you're saying, is that
It wasn't plotted out. We just knew that we had
like we spoke the same language, we were inspired by
the same things. We were thrilled by by spectacle and
by the fantasy of comic books, and like super villains
and specifically supervillain women.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
We just always love the bad.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
Guy, like this is the stuff that we bonded over.
And then, of course, you know, relationships are work, whether
it's a personal relationship or like a business relationship, so
of course we were working on our relationship in tandem
with being creative together. But then after a time, something
just clicked and it was like, I trust this person
not only with me, but I trust their taste, like implicitly,
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and that creates such a huge power because you have
someone that U is like your wingman, and then I
support all of her creative ideas. She pushes and supports
all of my creative ideas. And then it created this
this force bubble where it was like, we don't need
validation from anything else, We're just gonna do us. And
(37:57):
that's what it's been, is.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
That when you decided to add the incestual characteristics.
Speaker 8 (38:03):
You're like, not only are we lovers, we are.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, interesting question, but let me Okay, So back when
we used to do clubs, our clubs were like giant circuits.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
I used to say, brother lover, sister fuckers.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
When we did clubs, you know, it was like a circus.
And so we we had this host character when we
first created our clubs. This she was a straight oneman,
but she was like larger than life, and we would
design costumes for and makeup and everything and just turned
her into this fucking drag queen basically. You know that
people didn't understand that's what we were doing at the time,
but it was.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
They loved her though. She was amazing.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
So she was the host of our events for a
long time, so people thought it was her event. She
ended up having to quit and left LA and we
had to We're like, what are we supposed to do?
We have to host our own event now. So so
we decided to come up with this persona the Boulet Brothers,
which was sort of French and circusy, like Barnum and
Bailey or something. That's where it comes from. So it
(39:02):
made sense at the time. You know what it has
evolved into. You know, most people just don't ask, which
I appreciate.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Which you appreciate them not asking or you appreciate me
going there.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
No, I just I feel like it's it's been long
enough where people don't ask us too much anymore about it,
you know, because I always thought that too. I'm like,
they're looking at two people presenting as women called Boule brothers.
But I kind of love it because I'm like, did
I'm not fooling anybody, you know what I mean, just
own it, like so what you know?
Speaker 6 (39:36):
But also it confuses people, especially if you're not like
in the inner circle, or you don't understand like what
we're doing, like conservatives, you know, they see us and
then they hear our names, and it's like.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
Know what to do with this?
Speaker 6 (39:48):
And that confusion for me is amazing. Oh that's the
spark of like think just think.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
You know, you you're forcing somebody else to take little
bit of time out of their day, even if they
don't like the thoughts. They're having to challenge what they're
used to seeing and being absolutely.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Which I guess as you are building, I mean, this
this empire is it's already full ongoing and it's so fabulous.
I'm like I've been getting chills in this entire conversation,
but like you know Titans season two.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
That drops soon, where do you all envision.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
This next chapter of like the Dragula world and the
Boulet Brothers, Like, where do you all want to go next?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
They're not the same thing, right, So US says as
horror hosts and entities is very separate from from dragul
Like this year, for example, you know, I don't know
if you guys are familiar with Not Scary Farms, but
it's like this huge horror thing happens every season. Elvira
was the horror host there for like twenty years, Wolfman
Jack was there before her, and in the fifties it
(40:57):
was Sinister Seymour. And so we are now the horror
host of Not Scary Farms this year.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Congratulations, that's what thank you?
Speaker 5 (41:06):
What I mean, honestly, we are.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
I mean there's been a lot this year, in the
last year and a half, like Emmy's and other shows
and spin offs.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
I think that we are well.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Imman nominations, Yeah, listen, the nomination fucking counts when you
actually do your own makeup.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
That's right, come, thank you, thank you for that.
Speaker 6 (41:25):
But but it's the NATS piece that we are so
excited about because it's it's horror, it's thrill rides, it's Halloween,
it is theatrical, like, it's just it's we're really excited
about it.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Is that what you all been longing for to not
to because I would assume people are doing just like me,
they put the package you all together?
Speaker 2 (41:44):
But is it?
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Is it exciting to know that the Boulet Brothers are
like entering it, I mean, coming after an al virus
kind of good. It's like that y'all are becoming like,
you know, horror figures.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, And I think that's what a lot of people
think of us as you know, first, I think they
think of as as horror characters first, and then they're like, oh, yeah,
they happen to be in drag, which you know, luckily
has actually protected us.
Speaker 7 (42:09):
I think in some ways.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I think with like drag race, you know, and they
have a lot of different kinds of drag on there,
but it's very like female presenting. It's very passable and
that whole vibe, and I think it makes people feel unsafe,
especially straight people, right. But I think they look at
our show and they're like, oh, these people are tattooed
up and they're jumping out of planes, and shit, it's
okay for me to like this.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
They already associate you as weird. Already, you're already like
a guilty pleasure.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
You know.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
Yeah, it's exactly.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
I would always be around this one uncle who had
like tattoos and piercings, and I was so scared of
him until I found his book about tattoos and piercings
and saw the Devil's face tattooed on someone's dick, and
then I was like.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
I have new fears. We got stuff to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
It's a transformative moment.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
Yeah, I have new fears and kinks. Well you said it.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
I think the piece with what Jack was saying specifically
is that when it is like the fem presenting high
drag in that way, I think it scares straight people
because it makes them think about their sexuality, which I
think is like the big boogeyman in America for like
a lot of people, like you can't talk about sex.
We could just shoot people in the neck and everybody
will watch it fifty times a day and talk about
(43:19):
it and just desensitize completely.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
But if you show that female nipple, Are you crazy?
Speaker 6 (43:25):
Like you saw a dick, Like wow, oh my god,
end of the world. And I think when they see
someone monstrous, even though it can be glamorous too, but
they're like, it doesn't feer in the sexual way lane,
you know, they're like, I can take this as entertainment.
This is a fantasy character, and it makes them feel safer.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
I think too. You look at Elvira. Elvira is a
total drag queen. I mean when we talked her about
a many of times, it's like, you know, she's all
taped up and everything, like we are in coursets and all,
you know, makeup, wigs, now shoes, the whole thing. She's
as much in drag as we are. Any horror host
characters are like that. You know, they're always overly done
(44:04):
and costumed, and so I think it's it's relatable for sure.
But as far as where we're going, I think we're
really trying to find time to pursue our scripted interest
because we have a lot of scripted opportunities for horror
movies and shorts and different things, and we just haven't
had time to squeeze it in. We are shooting right
(44:25):
now a Holiday of Horrors like a Tales from the
Crypt movie.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Oh cool.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, with our friend David des Mauchin. We're making that
right now. That's gonna come out this winner. So that's
a step in the right direction. But there's a bunch
of other stuff. I think finding time to do that
would be good. As far as Dragula, I mean, as
long as people love it and it just does what
it does and it blows up, I'm happy to be
a part of it. I just don't want it to
be the defining thing for us because we have so
(44:52):
many ideas.
Speaker 5 (44:53):
The only defining characteristic.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Ah, y'all are such good artists, You're so fantastic. I'm very,
very thankful we get to kick off spooky season with you.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Thank you, which honestly, I also y'all need to be
in practical magic too.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Y'all just give me like chrones, like y'all just give
fun and witches.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
And I just would have loved But okay, we ask
everyone on the show our question, which I love, what
are you high key about? And it can be literally
anything a person, place of thing and emotion.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
You can be anything an idea. Yeah, what are you
I key about?
Speaker 5 (45:29):
Mine is really lamb oh, I love lame.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Oh, now say it. There's no such thing as lame.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
So you know, our life is very crazy and busy,
and there's a lot of interaction from people like tour
or people online or whatever. My favorite thing to do
is to just be in my garden outside.
Speaker 7 (45:48):
Like that's what I'm about.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
I'm about, like I had these gothic gardens and we
have like rose gardens, and shit, I'm out there like
hours and hours a day just like that.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
And that you be a math Stewart.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
Oh, oh the.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Way gothic Martha Stewart. Yes, yeah, I love our house
like I spend time like redoing the house, working outside
stuff like that. We live in a historic house, and
I just love I just love the vibe, you know.
So that's what I'm high key about.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
I love that.
Speaker 5 (46:16):
I love that.
Speaker 6 (46:17):
Mine's a little more like I guess, esoteric and kind
of emotional. Mine is continuing to just do whatever the
fuck I want to do ooo and inspire other people
to do what they want to do too, which.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
Also I would assume includes shopping at Spirit Halloween because
that's the only place I get Halloween costumes.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Please tell me if I'm.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
In the wrong or now oh my god, yeah yeah, wait,
how do you feel about spirit? What would happen if
a ghoul came up, like in one of these floor
shows and you could see the spirit Halloween of her.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Look, if they owned it and it was ironic, it
could be kind of awesome, right, we could win?
Speaker 5 (46:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (46:59):
Yeah, that's necessarily like you know, you're out kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
But at first glance, you you crainge and you have
the ech.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
You know, like this bitch kill her right now.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
I can't say that it hasn't crossed my mind, and some.
Speaker 7 (47:16):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
I mean, I'm sure we've had that conversation where I'm like,
this looks like a Halloween It's like a bag Halloween costume.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
Right, totally listen, some of us just do what we
can with what we can.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
While we got out, okay, Exhibit.
Speaker 6 (47:29):
A, I was wondering how that was just like teetering
like that. I couldn't see the top, so I was like,
is it dangling from the ceiling?
Speaker 4 (47:37):
No, I'm just hard right now.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Either way, everyone watching and hearing it, this is your
first time finding out about the Boulet Brothers, which I
hope it is not just support everything that they're doing,
because the empire and the work, it really is beautiful
to see and to like know that you all had
such like an incredible backstory and just everything I've learned
about you.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Today, I'm upset. Yes, like please, oh thank you? I mean, now,
will I watch the show because I'm too scared? I don't?
Speaker 6 (48:06):
Yes, should It's not that I mean, I don't think
the show is very scary. You just skip the kill
scenes at the end of the Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
I'm like, how about we all just go to like
a haunted house together and maybe I will feel comfortable
doing that with you.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
If you all come to town in October, we will
take you to not scary farm and we'll have an
amazing time.
Speaker 5 (48:25):
You will scream and I will laugh.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Okay, E think we have to do this. We have
to do this. Bulate Weathers, thank you so much for
being on high key.
Speaker 5 (48:33):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 7 (48:33):
It is a pleasure.
Speaker 6 (48:37):
Thike you.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
So, like I came into that situation knowing, like I think,
like bare minimum of what everyone if you know of them,
if you like, but you don't know much.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
That's where I came into that.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
That conversation and whoa I don't know if I didn't
see the fantasy before, but I most definitely see the
fantasy now.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Like they are.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
I was telling you, like they just sort of felt
like you meet like Amande Lapoor, which has not happened
for me yet and I can't wait it will, but
like and you meet like, you know, iconic figures that
just honestly feel like like I don't know, like fairy
tales are like they have like very they're very unicorn coded.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yeah, and you're just like, are they real? Are they
really sitting in front of me full in the full
horror guiche.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
It's just it's just everything, And so I really I
got my life. And I hope I wasn't like fangirling
all the way out, but I hope it gives a fuck.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I enjoyed it. It was really really cool.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Yeah right right, like the hostesses of Horror and like
from one Unicorn to another, I really it's such an
honor to be able to work with them, you know,
especially because there is this like big unspoken like I
(50:04):
wouldn't even say beef. It's just like there are multiple
drag competition reality shows, and it's really really dope for
them to be able to keep true to their vision,
to like understand what's going on in the culture and
like how to feed it, but to remain true to
their arts, their hearts.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
And I was.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
Looking for something spooky for the last one, but all
I got was farts.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Honestly, I feel like that's the spookies You've could have
gone is sparts.
Speaker 5 (50:35):
It's that time of the show.
Speaker 4 (50:37):
Now that we've kicked out our guls, let's confess our
love to each other. As the final girls here, let's
talk about our high keys.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Let's do it. I actually would love for you to start.
Speaker 4 (50:50):
Okay, well, this is the only time you will get
not directly a horror thing this month from me, because
I really have to tell people. I'll keep it quick,
but go see one battle after another.
Speaker 5 (51:04):
This is Bob Ferguson. I was a part of the
French seventy five.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Did not go like Tony One's.
Speaker 6 (51:11):
In and I cannot remember for the life of my
only child.
Speaker 5 (51:16):
The answer to your question. Maybe you should have studied
the rebellion text a little Harner check. You will be
on the edge of your seat like it's a horror.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
It's gonna have feelings, You're gonna cry you're gonna fight,
and if I have to do a horror hikey, I'd
say go watch The Boulet Brothers Dragula Season Titans two
on Shutter.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Here's the thing we are going to talk about it.
I am I am prioritizing to go see this damn
movie because the way that you came back and was
just like, I need everyone to see this movie.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
I it just it immediately got me.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
And I've been watching some press tour stuff with like
Regina Hall and Tianna Taylor, and I've been watching them.
The press has been amazing, and so I'm like, I
need to go see this movie. Like it's yes, Leonardo
DiCaprio is like the star and all over the posters.
But I heard that those three black women who are
all I can't all the other girls' names, those are
the actual stars of that film. So I'm going to
(52:15):
see it so we can talk about it on the show.
Speaker 5 (52:16):
They are they are.
Speaker 4 (52:17):
I don't want to ruin anything else, but there's jungle
pussy and that is all all give away.
Speaker 5 (52:22):
Oh work, Ryan, what are you hike about?
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Okay, So my hike might be a little bit of
a downer, but I am high key about y'all better
mask the fuck up again, Like, get some mask And
this is the perfect time to do it, because I
just ended a week full of having COVID and I
don't know if y'all think about it, but I I
I'm not saying I thought it was over, but like
(52:46):
sister boy, did I learn something And I didn't know
I had COVID and I had COVID for a week,
and I'm just saying, hi key, get your mask ready,
hi key, gets your vaccines, you know.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Back in This is me doing my like a healthy
like a health high key you.
Speaker 5 (53:02):
Know, just protect your health.
Speaker 3 (53:04):
Yes, COVID is around, so get your shit together and
get your mask.
Speaker 4 (53:10):
I guess that means it's the time of year for
me to stop licking dollar bills.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Well, yes, you shouldn't. Honestly, probably shouldn't have been knowing
in the first place, but I get it.
Speaker 5 (53:19):
I gave it a break after COVID.
Speaker 4 (53:20):
I was like, Okay, I understand why this is unsanitary now, but.
Speaker 5 (53:24):
After, like you said, I thought we defeated it.
Speaker 4 (53:26):
You better believe those sweet fresh crisp whatever the dude
on one dollar bills went right back into my mouth.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
So that's a wrap. H d up. Ye.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
Yeah, great, spooky, gosh, scary, scary, scary, great scary episode
is gonna be a great scary month. October is gonna
be fierce with a capital fear.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
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know you get early access to it, head over to
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Speaker 4 (53:55):
Ro It's uh, it's it's a patreon dot com slash
hike key. That was a test, which I said in
my lowest key for y'all.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
Oh my god, I am so obsessed with you. I
can't wait for you to show the world how you
do Halloween. This is going to be so everything. Get ready.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
This month is about to be iconic.
Speaker 4 (54:17):
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Speaker 5 (54:23):
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Speaker 4 (54:23):
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Speaker 5 (54:30):
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Speaker 4 (54:36):
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Speaker 3 (54:45):
Oh my god, there's a nipple showing bye.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
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Speaker 5 (55:16):
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Speaker 3 (55:17):
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Speaker 4 (55:26):
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Speaker 5 (55:36):
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Speaker 3 (55:41):
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