Danica McKellar

Wells finally gets to live his dream of hanging out with his childhood crush! Danica McKellar (aka Winnie Cooper on The Wonder Years) is here on the WellsCast! 

 

She’s a bestselling author, a mathematics expert and education advocate, AND the star of Hallmark’s “Matchmaker Mysteries: The Art of the Kill”. 

 

Find out how it all started when Wells gets into her origin story!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't have like quippy intro today. Let's just run it.
This is the Wells Cast with Wells Adams and I
Heart Radio Podcast. I am so freaking pumped for today's episode, guys.

(00:28):
Is it because I had a crush on the guests
when I was a kid? Maybe? Is it because I
well have already recorded the interview and I know how
good it is. Yes? Absolutely in awe of this woman
and all the things she's accomplished. Abs a freaking Lutley.
You guys are in for a treat. I'm telling you what.
Our guest today is the star of Hallmark Movies and

(00:48):
mysteries new series Matchmaker Mysteries. The new one is called
The Art of the Kill. But the amount of stuff
that she did before this most recent project is going
to blow your mind. Was she America's sweetheart? Little show
called The Wonder Years? Oh you know it? Wait, we
played just like a little bit of Joe cock or
just like get people like in the mood for what's
happening because we need to be transported back. Yeah, oh

(01:15):
my god, seven pm on like a Thursday night in
the early nineties. You're about to sit down and enjoy
the Wonder years, Fred Savage is gonna be there, whenned
Gooper is gonna be there? What do I do? Yes?

(01:43):
It all started with The Wonder Years. But our guest
today has done so much. She's been the mainstay on
the Hallmark Channel doing a bunch of Christmas movies like
Countdown to Christmas. She did one with Dolly Parton called
Christmas a Dollywood. What she's been in the industry forever.
There's so much more to her story, like graduating Summa
cum laudy at U c l A majoring in mathematics,

(02:06):
what minoring in physics? Okay? Did she testify before Congress
about the importance of women in math and science? Yeah?
Was she named Person of the Week by ABC World
News for tackling math education and simultaneously breaking the stereotype
of the math nerd with her highly entertaining and illuminating books.

(02:29):
Has she written a bunch of New York Times best
selling books for kids, specifically young women in math? Yeah?
I mean literally, this woman has done everything, well, not everything.
She hasn't been on the Wells Cast until today. So
strapping guys, buckle down because this one is going to
be a good one. Danika mckeller a k a. Winnie

(02:53):
Cooper is going to be on the show. Seriously, don't
go anywhere you don't want to miss it. Hello, Hello,
can you hear me? Yes? Can you hear me? Yes?

(03:16):
Can I get a check from you? Really quickly? Three
point one five nine two six, five three five eight
nine seven nine Can you keep going with Pie? There
is that where it ends, Well, I have a song,
and so if I sing my song, I can get
a little further. I wrote a PIE song to help
people learn multiple Yeah, I really need to brush up

(03:38):
on it. I feel like it's been coming up more
and more lately to be like, oh, can you sing
the song like I can sing the beginning of it?
Pie is equal to three point one four one five, nine, six, five,
five eight nine seven nine three two three eight four
six two six four three day eight three two seven, nine,
five two eight four one nine seven one six nine
three three seven five one uh five two zero nine. Anyway, Wow,

(04:00):
I can go further with the song. But the song
if the full song has a hundred and three nine
digits and I don't know the full song anymore, but
I used to do. It's so funny. I've been interviewing
people for a very long time, and it's so interesting
when you interview someone who's very smart what they check with.
I don't know if you remember. There's a band called
the Old Bunny Sevens and the lead singer was this
guy name Rhett Miller who has a big fan of

(04:21):
their band still am and I was like setting up
for interview, and I was like, hey, rahtt can I
get a check from you? And he reeled off the
entire Gettysburg address and I was like, oh my god,
Oh my god, that's awesome. That's awesome. Okay, great, you
can add to your list of unique sound checks. Yeah, okay,

(04:42):
are you ready? Are you ready to go with this?
Very excited to have Well, I'll just be honest with you,
childhood crush of mine on the show The One and Only.
And I know this is probably annoying for you, but
you have to understand, like you will always be Winnie
Cooper to me. But welcome to the show. Dannika mckeller,

(05:03):
How are you doing? I'm doing great? How are you?
I'm amazing? I was a huge murder, she wrote, fan
like a big angela Landsbury guy, And are you like
the new wage Angela Landsberry with these Matchmaker Mystery series. Yes, yes,
myself and some others on Hallmark. So Hallmark Movies and

(05:24):
Mysteries has a few different of these mystery franchises and
these collections of movies, and I'm one of them and
I love it. Yes, we we all play these women
who aren't professional detectives or anything, but somehow let's stumble
upon murders more often than your average person, and then
somehow are the ones to be able to figure out
who did it? Who done it? And this yeah, I

(05:45):
play Andrew Dubb professional Matchmaker, and I this is the
third movie in which I stumble across a dead body
and I helped the detective to solve the case in
this one. This is called Matchmaker Mysteries The Art of
the Kill. So what happens in an art museum and
it starts off My father in it, played by Bruce
box Liner Tron of course, he is a retired cop

(06:07):
and he actually is helping to solve some fests, investigates
some effts that are happening at the museum. And I
go to the museum to have lunch with him, and
lo and behold resemble across a dead body as it
happens in Angie Does Life and Yes, Angie is a
nod to Angela lands Roy the fact that my character's

(06:28):
name is Angie and it's it's awesome. Detective Kyle Carter
played by Victor Webster, he and I have a great
chemistry throughout the three movies. There's been an evolution. In
the first movie, he was very much like, who is
this woman and why is she interfering in my investigation?
You should go off and do your role matchmaking thing, honey,
and let me handle the murder. But then by the
end of that movie he realizes that I have something

(06:50):
to offer in terms of clues because I am really
good at reading people. That's what I have to do
as a matchmaker, and so that comes into handy. So
in the second movie they start get a little closer,
and in fact, there's a scene where the detective arrests
my ex boyfriend for murderer he's a suspect while we're
having dinner. So at the end of the movie he says,

(07:11):
I still owe you desserts. And in this movie, the
third one, he actually makes good on asking me out
to dessert. But the question is because he makes it
clear that it's not a date. Is it a date? Though? Like?
Is he asking me in a date? It's kind of
a fun dynamic. It's that whole moonlighting thing where the
two main characters, like are they ever actually gonna get
together or just sort of flirt with the idea? Um?
Do they really even like each other about much? It's

(07:32):
hard to know. So it's a really really fun dynamic
in this third movie, and the murder of Mystery itself
is awesome. The guy who's dead is actually a professor
who is the one who does the providence for the
statues at the museum. So he's the one who says, yes,
this statue is worth five million because it really is
three thousand years old. It's not a fake. So when
he shows up dead, it starts to raise questions about

(07:55):
the providence of some of these statues. And then we
find out that he was having affairs, um, and so
there's all this intrigue, and of course me being a
matchmaker Mystery being a matchmaker on the show, I'm I'm
just the right person to figure out who was actually
having the affairs and who actually had certain feelings for
him and who didn't. All arrest of it. It's amazing.

(08:15):
I can't imagine how many of my exes would love
to see me get arrested during like a like a
get together. The Matchmaker character is based on a real person, right, yes,
Patty Stanger, Millionaire Matchmaker. Well, I mean, gosh, years ago,
I used to watch that show all the time, Millionaire Matchmaker.

(08:36):
I don't know I was, I was addicted to it
or something. There's something so fun and satisfying about watching
her and tell everybody put them in their place. And
she just had like really a good moral center and
she wouldn't let people get away with being disrespectful. She
had very strict ideas about how you treat somebody on
a date, and she had a lot of tough love.
And much like Patti Stanger in real life, she is

(08:57):
the first to admit that while she's great at getting
other people up, she's not so much a master of
her own love life. And so it's same with Angie
dubbed this character, which is again inspired by her for sure.
In fact, she is an executive prester on this movie. Um,
you know, and she does not know how to handle
her own love life. So when when Detective Kyle Carter

(09:18):
asks her on a non date date. She like, and
it's for that night. She's like, well not tonight, And
you can just see the wheels turning it for Angie's like,
we don't ask somebody. You never accept the date if
they ask you for the same night because then you're
too available. And of the things she does not know
how to handle being asked on a date. It's hilarious. Yeah,
that's like the old adage like the worst therapy patient

(09:39):
is a psychologist for the worst. That the thing that
there's speciality is Oh my gosh, that's funny. That's really funny. Actually,
so Matchmaker Mysteries, the Art of the Kill some Hallmark
movies and mysteries. Is it going to go forever? Like
is this something that I can continue to perpetuate upon itself?
It could right now we just have these three movies,

(09:59):
but could definitely come back from more and I'm hoping
that it will. But that also is a mystery. Who
I feel like you've kind of found this like really
nice pocket of doing a lot of like Hallmark channel stuff.
I've been seeing You've been doing a lot of Christmas
movies and stuff. Is being a part of like the
Hallmark family. It seems like it would be such a

(10:22):
warm and cozy place. It is, it really is. I
feel so lucky to be part of the Hallmark family,
both on the Hallmark Channel and Hallmark Movies and mysteries.
It's just so nice to be a part of channels
that make movies that make people feel good, you know,
especially these days. I feel like it's a nice escape.
Hallmark Land is a nice escape because everybody, I mean,

(10:45):
nothing ever gets too dark, even in the Murder Mysteries.
It's the Hallmark version of Murder Mysteries. So you know
that anybody can watch it and you're going to feel
happy and satisfied. By the end of the movie. Things
are going to work out the way you want them to.
And this just a nice comforting feeling. And when when
you look around and the world seems to be changing
and shifting so much, watching a Hallmark movie, you know

(11:07):
that you're going to feel that stability that you crave.
So what I love and I will say I really
feel like in some ways these characters that I'm playing
on Hallmark or like a continuation of the Wonder Years,
because it's the same wholesome kind of um quality entertainment
and the same type of like good person you. Winnie
Cooper was a good person. She was strong, and she

(11:29):
she had stuff she went through and her parents got
divorced and all sorts of stuff. But she was strong
and and and kept pulling herself up by our bootstraps.
And she was kind to people. And that's how these
characters are. And I really I love putting good stuff
into the world because, you know, I get offered other things.
I could offered stuff and I just read the scripts
and I just say, I just don't want to put
that out in the world. I know that as an actress,

(11:51):
you know, I'm supposed to like do all different kinds
of roles, but I don't know. At this point in
my life, I know what I want to be doing.
I'm I'm a mom, you know. I school my son.
I write my math books to help other kids in math,
and I do my Hallmark movies, and I have my
wonderful husband. I'm very very happy doing these and I
am really grateful that I get to keep doing them.

(12:14):
I think it's smart in terms of what Hallmark is doing,
because yes, granted, I am a manly, red blooded American
who likes football and baseball. But when the colonies come around,
I do like to like make some hot coco and
sit and watch some holiday movies. You know, the high
pallored business woman that comes back to the small town

(12:36):
and falls in love with the jilted baker and everyone
falls in love. You know. It's like it's like a
part of it's a part of the season. And so
it's smart that they're making this evergreen, right, Like you
can now experience that, but you can experience it all
year round with these Matchmaker mysteries, which is cool, that's true.

(12:56):
And then of course they also have Christmas in July,
and then these days, ever since the pandemic, sir, they
show Christmas movies here and there throughout the year. And
I'm pretty sure every Thursday you can find a Christmas
movie on Hallmark Movies and Mysteries, and I think every
Friday you can find a Christmas movie on Hallmark channel.
So you can get your little dos at Christmas, because again,

(13:18):
what's more comforting than Christmas Like Christmas movies. It's the best,
you said a second ago. I get a lot of
stuff sent to me, and you know, turned down some
things because I want to do these kind of positive films.
But I don't know in what world you'd ever get
to work with Dolly Parton other than like this world.

(13:38):
I suppose whatever you're doing, you're doing it right, because
getting to work with Dolly Parton seems like the rattus
gig in all of Hollywood. I agree, Yes, doing Christmas
at Dollywood in was the best. It was some sort
of just magical opportunity. And it's interesting because I the

(13:58):
reason that movie happened because of my math books. So
if you had told me, like five years ago your
math books or they're gonna be the reason why you
work with all A Parton and be like what. So
she has this incredible organization called the Imagination Library, and
so they've donated I think a hundred million books worldwide
now to kids who normally might not be able to

(14:18):
afford books, and they chose a few years ago, they
chose one of my books to be part of their program,
good Night Numbers. So that book, good Night Numbers, is
now in the hands of like one point three million
kids who normally wouldn't be able to have a book
let alone, one that might help them learn math while
they're you know, just learn to count to ten. I mean,
it's a really sweet little book. Because the book was

(14:39):
brought into their Imagination Library, the organization has been in
touch with me and they asked me to be the
narrator for the documentary about the charity. And so I
did that back in April of like, I think, um,
I can beginning of the dates wrong, but anyway, my
so the programming executive at Hallmark said, hey, we're looking
to come up with some cool locations for Christmas movies

(15:02):
this year. Do you have any ideas for years? And
I had just gotten back from Washington, d C. At
that point. This is I spoke. I had a chance
to read good Night Numbers in front of the Library
of Congress UH for the Dolly Parton Imagination Library event,
and I was like, well, and so Dolly Partners is
on my mind. And I hadn't gotten to meet her yet. Okay,
so I hadn't narrated the documentary yet because I got
to meet her then too, I hadn't met her yet.

(15:23):
I done this event with Dolly Partoner was a big
cardboard cut out of Dolly there at the event, but
no Dolly, and so I said, well, you know what, what
what about Christmas at Dollywood and and and the executive said,
we love it. Let's I said, well, should I go
get like a producer and a writer and put together
a pitch. She said yes, and so we did. And
next thing, you know, the next Christmas, we got Christmas
of Dollywood and I got to work with DOLLI Parting.

(15:45):
It was amazing. She is electric. For anybody who's ever
met Dolly Parton, you just she walks into a room
and she instantly knows how to make everybody feel great.
I don't know how she does it. It doesn't even
matter how big or small one room is. She'll make
you feel important and she'll make you feel good. And
that's her gift is well, one of her many many gifts.

(16:06):
I could fan girl about her for the rest of
our interview if you don't stop me. In terms of philanthropy,
second to none. Oh, I know, she is just can't
speak higher of anyone in this world. So I think
that's just like super cool. That's like getting to meet
Elvis or so I don't I don't even know. I
don't even know if I can make up. No, I know,
I know And when when my so when good night

(16:26):
numbers was first brought into the Imagination Library. There was
I got sent a letter or they sent a letter
to my publisher who sent it to me, and she
signed it. But they put it in one of those
puffy envelopes that didn't have any backing, so it was wrinkled,
and I was like, this is wrinkled, Like how could
they sit? And I like try to press it. I
haven't a frame. Even though it's wrinkled. It's like, oh
my gosh, Dolly Parton signed something for me. And if

(16:47):
I had known, like a couple years later, I was
going to get to actually worked with her, I would
have painted. But she's I'm I'm so grateful that somebody
like Dolly Parton exists. That's kind of in summary. I'm
just glad that she's part of the sun it and
she can never ever die. So if we somehow get
the potion for living forever, we have to all agree
to give it to Dolly Parton, and I think everybody

(17:08):
would agree. Actually, Dolly Parton is the personification of Hallmark,
Like she's just good and positive, and yes, I agree,
I agree. I hope we get to do another one
with her. So you touched on it, you know, it
was the catalyst that got you to work with the
one and only Dolly. You graduated with a sumacom reality

(17:28):
from u c l A. You're a super super smart person.
Was your major math and then your minor physics. Yes, exactly,
that's hard. It was hard, you know what. Honestly, part
of the reason why I did it is because I
like a good challenge, to be honest, I mean the math.
I've always loved a good challenge. I and I and

(17:48):
I math and I get along. I mean, I'm not like,
I'm not a savant, and it's not super easy. I
always had a study physics for some reason was always
more challenging. Fact, it was like it was sort of
needle me how difficult it was for me. So I
decided to face that fear and go ahead and minor
in it. I was in like freshman or sophomore physics

(18:08):
and in the meantime and graduate was like as a senior,
as a senior in college, like in sophomore physics and
and taking gradual level courses in math, and I was in.
I spent all my time in the physics tutoring center
at hours like trying to grab my head around these things,
um just because I like a good challenge. So that
explains a lot about me. I'm kind of all those
people where if you say, I bet you can't do that,
it becomes a little irresistible. I mean, as I've gotten older,

(18:31):
that's tempered a little, but it's still in there. I
might not act on it, but I still feel that way.
This at the time when you you face your fears
and you figure out what you're made of. And part
of what I like about math is that you can't
get away with like not actually understanding it. You've got
to actually understand it to succeed. And there's a right
and there's a wrong answer. You have to push yourself

(18:52):
and you have to you have to face those fears
and face those challenges. And when you do that, by
the way, you get something from it. You teach yourself
You've got more fortitude than you thought because you know
you're you're facing a math problem and you feel so
you can't do it, and uh and then and which
you stay with it, You stick with it, and you
keep pushing and then you do solve it. I mean,
I remember, thinking of this is like a math high.

(19:14):
You get to a new place and it gives you
confidence that I believe extends far beyond mathematics. And this
is what I tell my readers because I've got I've
written math books now and they're all super fun and
entertaining with cartoons and a little fun stories for ages
zero through sixteen all the way up through high school geometry.
And my whole point is to make it fun and accessible,
but also to explain to my readers, hey, you don't

(19:37):
want math to be super easy. You wanted to be
to struggle. You want to be challenging, because that's how
you get stronger. If you went to the gym, it's
like going to the gym for your brain. If you
went to the gym and you lifted lightweights all day long,
you wouldn't get anywhere. It's when you struggle through and
then you succeed and you build and each time you
can do a little more and a little more. That's
what builds your brain and build your confidence. And then
in life, because life is gonna throw a lot of

(20:00):
ostables your way. It always does, is just how life is.
You will have prepared yourself in a way that not
only are you a good problem solver, because that problem
solving logic does extend to other parts of life as well,
but just the exercise of facing obstacles and saying, wait,
I've been in a situation before where I thought I
could do something and I stuck with it and then
I did figure it out. Maybe this is one of

(20:21):
those situations too, like that actually really is valuable. And
so I say to you, I mean college, you know
it's it's good to do what you're interested in, but
especially when you have to be in a math class.
I always encourage kids, you know, run into this head first.
You get those tutoring hours, get resources to help you
if you need it, like my books or other things online, whatever, um,
and stick with it and and strengthen yourself because that's

(20:42):
something that as a gift only you can give yourself
and nobody else can take it away. You're a New
York Times best selling author with these math books. I
guess my first question was, is that a tough pitch
to publishers to be like, all right, stick with me math? Actually?
You know, girls in math has been a hot topic

(21:04):
for a long time, and when my first book came
out in two thousand seven, the pitch was I didn't
have so the title ended up being a Math Doesn't
Suck um. At the time, I didn't I wasn't sure
of the title, but it was like the intelligent glamour girl.
Like my whole thing was breaking stereotypes. Okay, I just
got a degree in mathematics. I'm like, I'm gonna make

(21:26):
math fun and yes, girly, because I want to. I
want to to dispel this myth that you have to
choose between being the fun, popular girl and the brainy,
nerdy girl who doesn't have any friends, Like what how?
And when girls are aspiring to be glamorous, I wanted
them to not just look at these magazines to see, oh,
I want to be one of one of those models. No,

(21:46):
the kind of glamorous you want to aspire to be
is like the woman in her designer student forrange heels
walking on Wall Street, which to a really important job
that glamour like that that's powerful, um. And so that
was really my goal, and that was that was the pitch,
was like, Hey, we're gonna get girls to embrace their smarts.
And so the whole thing of Math Doesn't Suck is
the cover I look all kind of cute and fun

(22:07):
and like, hey, it's just a math you know. Um,
and I tell stories in it. Uh that can be
kind of grilly and silly, but yet also legitimately teach
them math concepts. So that's been kind of that was
my thing from middle school in high school, and then
when I went younger and did elementary school stuff. That's
more they're more coed, they're they're more about cartoons and

(22:28):
silliness and and in in a more code kind of style.
But the older kid books were definitely geared more girls.
Not the boys don't use them. I've had lots of
boys say they learn math and get some insight into
how girls think. But they are you know, if you
look at them like, oh, these are books for girls.
Are their plans to write more New York Times best
selling math books, Yes, there are. Uh yeah, I've got

(22:51):
one coming out in February of next year, but I
were not do We haven't done a title reveal yet
or a cover reveal yet. That will probably the summer.
That one will be another picture book. So my most
popular picture book right now is Ten Magic Butterflies. Came
out a few years ago and it's the story of
ten flowers that one by one get turned into butterflies
by this ferry overnight and because they all want to,

(23:13):
they wish they could fly. What it does it teaches
you different ways of making ten. So first there's ten flowers,
then it's nine flowers in one butterfly. Then there's eight
flowers and two butterflies. Then it goes through and by
the end they all realize that they missed being flowers.
And then it's a lesson about, you know, let's be
grateful for who you are and embrace who you are
and not trying to change. So that book, it's a
picture book with like a little math snuck in as

(23:35):
kind of like how it to think about it? And
this next one that comes out in February will also
have that same kind of model. What would you say
you're not good at? I'm not good at taking time
for myself to just relax and do nothing. I'm terrible
a that. I if I don't feel productive, in fact,
if I'm not doing two things and once, I'm not
doing two things that once right now, but mostly if

(23:56):
I'm not doing two things that wants Actually I'm stretching
right now. I've got my leg ups to getting a
nice stretchment. I feel weird if I'm not doing two
things I want, I have our time with it. In fact,
I get like this thrill of excited when I realize
I'm gonna be able to multitask. Oh god, that's my issue.
That's the insight I got. Your downfall is being too productive.

(24:17):
But then sometimes I'm just like crash and I got
I just to like sleep for a weekend because I'm
just exhausted. I hope my husband's always like, you got
to relax more, and he's good. So we went to
Joshua Treet this weekend and just like hung out. But
like I'd be lying if I didn't say I was,
you know, trying. I was like, oh wait, this is
a good for social media. You know. It's like my
fans would love this. This This is so cute. Oh we
turned around, me get the picture. Is that really truly relaxing? Then,

(24:40):
I don't know. I love it. You are a very
high functioning human being. It's really really interesting to talk
to folks like you because at the end of the day,
like the idea of this show is origin stories. It's
like how people that are successful became successful, and then
how people and how like my listeners could use those

(25:01):
lessons as a blueprint who then also become successful. It's
very obvious as to why you are successful. I think,
just like that first fifteen minutes of chatting with you, Um,
before I pivot over to my portion the show, I
want to put a bow on all the stuff you're doing. So,
I mean, obviously the Matchmaker series is first and foremost

(25:23):
that we're trying to promote. So tell everyone kind of
like where they can watch that, and how they can
watch that and what then you look for. So Matchmaker
Mysteries The Art of the Kill that premieres this Sunday,
April eighteenth, at eight o'clock seven o'clock Central on Hallmark
Movies and Mysteries, and I will be live tweeting for
it and you can find me at Danniki mckeller on
Twitter for that. I'm also on Instagram, um and I've

(25:45):
got on Instagram. I've also got Matchmaker Mysteries account. For
this movie, you'll see altorts, behind the scenes picturers, and
you can see pictures and videos from past movies as
well if you want to catch up on that. Um.
So that's one way to uh to interact with the
movie and me is to live tweet with me. I
will be doing some pictures, some photos, signed photos giveaway
for the movie. So just take a picture of yourself

(26:07):
watching the movie with your TV in the background and
that it to me and I'll pick a few winners
for signed pictures. Yeah. So that's that's Maker Mysteries. That's
this Sunday. Do you have a couple of minutes to
talk about how you got to this point? Sure? All right,
quick break when we come back on the Wells Cast,
the very high functioning Dannaa mckeller stick around, all right,

(26:41):
welcome back to the Wells Cast. Very excited to have
the star of the Matchmaker Mysteries on Hallmark Movies, Danika
McKellar on the show. It was really funny, like during
the break, you and I were chatting. I was like, man,
you're doing a lot, and then you were saying no. See.
The problem is that I was listening to myself talk
and I was thinking I should be doing so much more.

(27:01):
And I think that that is bonkers because there are
only twenty four hours in the day, Danica, And well,
it wasn't so much that I thought it anymore. Is
that when you said is there anything else you want?
To talk about. I thought, oh my gosh, am I
supposed to have more to talk about. I was like, something,
maybe I should be doing more. That's normally I do
feel like I'm doing a lot, but then it doesn't

(27:23):
take much for my a paranoid moment. I think the
reason why I asked that question is because you've got
so much on the resume that I feel like I
probably didn't like rip through everything that I needed to.
I truly appreciate having a journalist ask you if there's
anything else you want to talk about. Is a gift
and I love it and I appreciate it. I was

(27:43):
just thought you'd think it was funny, so I went
ahead and sure it was actually going on in my head. Well,
everyone needs to watch The Matchmaker Mysteries The Arts of
the Kill. This is the third installments of this story. Correct, Yes,
Matchmaker Mysteries, the third movie. This is the murder of
that happens in the music. And so it's the latest
Who've done it? And I will be live tweeting and

(28:04):
I want people to tell me if they can figure
out who've done it before? Andree Dove does so. I
don't know if anyone told you, but I'm just obsessed
with origin stories and how people who are successful became successful. Um,
your story is going to be a little bit different
than most people that we have on the show because
so much of your life was in the spotlight as

(28:25):
a as a young person. But then there were a
big chunk of years where I think you kind of
took a step back and you really focused on your
studies and education and stuff. And then you're definitely now
very much in the forefront again. So um, let's go
back to the beginning. You are from where I'm from
San Diego originally, and were you always an entertaining look

(28:49):
at me, mom and dad, I need to be in
show business kid? How did this all come about? Embarrassingly? Yes,
my mom says that I was five years old when
she saw me staring at myself in the mirror and
I making faces at myself and wouldn't stop. And then
if you see we had like an old cam quarter back,
we're you know, we're talking about the eighties now, okay, um,
And just to go ahead and date myself and if

(29:12):
you look at, uh, you know, the cam quarter footage,
you'll see that like, like I look like a serene,
regular kid. And then I noticed the camera's on. I
become a hand. I'm like, hey, I'm making all his
face what so. And remember when my cousin and my
sister and I would get together at family and family
reunions and things at my grandmother's house, we would put
on plates like that was the whole thing. By the end,

(29:33):
like we're all together for a few days. The last night,
we're gonna put on a show, and so we we whatever.
We'd usually hijnk something like Cinderella and put it together
with some other story Batman or whatever, and we'd like
put together a thing and and and then we get
tips at the end, and just it was like, yeah,
I guess I've always liked entertaining and making silly jokes,
making people smile and making people laugh, and so yes,

(29:55):
the answer is yes, I think I always wanted to
do this. What was your we break into the entertainment industry.
My mom was friends with Leslie and warrened through her
boyfriend at the time. I think Leslie and Warren's boyfriends.
And this was back when we just moved to Los Angeles,
and she suggested that we go to Lee Strasbourg Institute

(30:16):
for Acting and we my mom was like, well, if
you want, it's like an all day thing. Are you
sure you wanted? Yeah, let's try it. And we loved it,
and it was the Saturday program. It was like five hours,
and we my sister and I did that for a
while and they did a play and we were in
a play and then an agent saw that and they're like, oh,
where these two little girls. They seemed fun and started
doing commercials. But we had a rule. My mom had

(30:38):
a rule for the family that acting was just a hobby,
was not going to become a lifestyle. So we weren't
allowed to audition for series regulars or any movies or
anything that would take us out of town. And The
Wonder Years was only supposed to the winning Cooper role
was just supposed to be a guest role on the
pilot episode. It wasn't supposed to be a regular roller.
I never would have auditioned for it. So my auditioned

(30:59):
for that and got the job, and then four days
into it, they offered me a serious contract and my
mom was like, I don't know, but she said, look
because the other moms on set were so down to earth.
She'd been on a lot of sets already and seen
a lot of women who like get your stage mom
pushing their kids on the camera. Um seeing kids who

(31:20):
were like sick and their mom was pretending that they
weren't sick, or like oh they're fine, they're fine. But
my mom was very different. If we even had a sniffle,
she was like, nope, you're saying how m like production
would have to stop. She's like, well, I don't care that,
that's what it is. So she was very much an
advocate for her kids being kids first and protecting us.
And she noticed that the other moms on the Wonder
Years were the same way. So she says, you know

(31:42):
what this, if we were going to do something like this,
this would probably be the the ideal situation. I was like,
please let me, please, let please, And she said all right.
So she got this great lawyer who created some sort
of loophole because when you sign a contract, you're locked
in for six seven years if they want to keep
renewing it. So she like did a thing where there
was some loophole. She's like, anytime you want to get out,
you just let me know. That's how it started. Okay,

(32:04):
so how old are you when you book wonder years. Well,
what is your sister think because she like, damn it,
well she yeah, she and I both auditioned actually for
the role of Winnie Cooper. But it wasn't like that.
I mean they actually liked her so much that they
put her in nine episodes as Becky's later And but
she's not. She was never quite as into entertainment as

(32:25):
I was. Like today, for example, she is a lawyer
and um, now she's runs the adventure capitalist company and
investing in science and like like crazy awesome technology that's
helping the world. Uh so you know, she's got a
different focus and she always did. But she was great.
I mean, she was great as Becky Slater the mackel
or sister. Sir. She went to oh my gosh, rag

(32:47):
about her for a second. She went to Yale and
then took a year just for fun to you know,
go to Oxford and then came back and um, and
then got her law degree at Harvard, so you know,
and that was right around the time of Legally Blonde.
And she's blonde. So awol, you're the real legally Blond,
You're the real deal. So at twelve, you you booked

(33:08):
the pilot. When did you understand that it was a
cultural phenomenon. It's probably about twenty. You have no when
you're a kid, everything you do you think is normal,
Like it didn't. I mean, if fact that The Wonder
Years premiered following the super Bowl, like the very first episode.
I I mean, I would hear people say, oh, that's

(33:30):
a made that's a really good time slot. But it
didn't like occurred to me. It just didn't. It didn't resonate.
I didn't get it, and I didn't get the whole
America Sweetheart thing. And for someone telling me that I
was America Sweetheart who was actually on set, and I
was like what, I was busy going to school on
the days that I wasn't working and I wasn't I
didn't go to Hollywood parties. I did not have that perspective.

(33:51):
I really didn't. I really truly did not get it.
And that's actually perfectly fine. It's perfectly fine. Yeah, I
think I assume that's the right mentality to have about something.
But now it's an adult. I mean, I grew up
on the Wonder Years. Like do you look back, do
you ever watch those shows? Or is it that's a

(34:11):
different lifetime. I mean, it's a different lifetime. But my
son is ten, so I kind of figured when he
turned twelve, i'd start showing him the show. And Seep
likes it. I mean, he's People are funny. People say, oh,
you look exactly the same. But if you show my
son a picture of me on the Wonder Yers, he'll
be like, who's that? He doesn't see it, which is
kind of funny. It's also really cute because he's starting

(34:32):
to look like he's tense. It's almost the age that
I was when I did the show. And I see
like he's got my eyes completely and my cheeks, and
so I see it. I see that. It's like he
also looks a lot like Fred Savage, because I mean,
to be honest, Fred and I kind of look like
especially back then, and people will say, your son looks

(34:53):
like Fred sawag why did your sound Fred? Trust me,
it's not He's not the father. Okay, it's not time
Kevin WHENI fantasy come true, I promise, But he does
look an awful lot like Kevin Arnold. It's a odd
that's hilarious. I don't want to focus too much on
the Wonder Years, even though I fought like we could
do an entire episode just on that show. But I

(35:13):
do know that Fred is now directing kind of like
a new iteration of The Wonder Years, but it's vastly
different in terms of the family they're choosing. Yeah, yeah,
it's not a reboot, and I've caught myself calling it
a reboot and it's really not. It's it's inspired by
I like the idea of a different iteration because it's
a different family. It's also nine, but it's a black

(35:34):
family in Atlanta, and it's also a boy. It's also
a boy told the narrator of the Boy when he's older,
so that parts the same. He's got his family and
his friends at school, and he's got his struggles, and
he's got his unrequited love interest, you know. But her
name is not Winnie and his name's not Kevin, so
they're different people. But but I read part of the
script and it looks I really need to finish reading it,
because every time I do an interview, I'm like, I

(35:55):
read part. It's really really cute, it's really uh, really
really well done, and the people involved are incredibly talented,
so I know it's going to be great and probably
a very timely time for that show to come out
right now as well, it'll be a good story to hear.
The Wonder Years was always a very timeless show, and

(36:16):
I really feel that this one is going to be
as well. Um In a lot of ways, it's it's
just it's examining a time in history and what were
people going through. But really, when a twelve year old
boys going through um uh. There are a lot of
universal themes and I'm hoping that this will feel universal
to audiences as well, because I think that's what made

(36:37):
the show so successful, is that everyone could relate. So
the Wonder Years ends, What does Danaka do next? Dannaka
went doing private presidents. Danika goes to college, and it
goes to college, and then the rest of the episode
only a third person. Please. I went to college, and
I think you talked in the presence, but I'm talking

(36:59):
a past test, right, So I went. I went to
college and I did act for the first year of college.
I did what I do. I did a TV movie
for NBC. They were still doing TV movies back then,
and I did an episode at Bablon five, and I
did a couple other things, and then I realized this
is not working because when you're in high school and

(37:20):
you're acting at the same time, you know, the teachers
were understanding and they give you your assignments. But in
college they're like, um, you weren't here for the final exam,
Like I know, I know, Um, I can make it up.
On these different days of that worst feel like, no,
we're failing you. I'm like, oh, we're gonna be given incomplete.
You didn't, I'm like, but I know, right. So, and

(37:40):
I thought, why am I working so hard trying to
juggle two things at once. I mean, the state doesn't
mandate that I go to college like it does that
I have to go to high school. And I'm not
under a serious contract anymore. This is a job to job,
so I don't have to do this. Uh. And I
decided to take a break from acting for the rest
of my college career and just focus on my studies.
And then it was shortly after that that I decided

(38:04):
I wanted to get a degree in mathematics. And that
was That's his whole own story. I was always really
good at math al it was a challenge, but I
was good at it all through high school. But I
thought somehow that college math would be really hard, like
harder and unattainable somehow, and so that was. But it's
just in my head because I'd gotten I'd taken the

(38:24):
ap Calculus BC exam and I gotten a five on
it in high school. So I don't know who I
thought these other college math people were. But if I'm
really honest with myself, I didn't look the part. I
just didn't look like what I thought a college math
student would look like. And because I like a good challenge,
I'm Michael Heck, I'm just gonna try this anyway, I
went ahead and signed up for multipable Calculus, and I

(38:45):
studied all my calculus notes from high school. I mean
I studied. I knew everything, I knew every triggered metric
in a girl formula, everything. And I took this first
midterm exam in the class and I remember thinking, oh
my gosh, I failed. I failed. I got a twenty
two out of forty. But as it turns out, this
was some sort of a weirder test. Because the reason

(39:05):
I know this is because the professor greated he'd like
put you great on the grades, but he took on
the chalkboard and created a graph of the grades. Nobody's
name was on it. But in a class of a
hundred and sixty people, one person got twenty two out
of forty. That was me. Two people got two people
got fifteen, and then it was nine and below the
rest of the class. So he grasped this distribution on

(39:26):
the chalkboard. I am looking at my test and wait,
I'm a twenty two looking around at all these people,
all these people who looked like math students to me,
and I didn't feel like I belonged the space, that
I was not the majority of being female, even um
and and uh. I was blown away. And that was
and that was a turning point, both because of just
realizing that I had a gift, like I was actually

(39:47):
good at this and the next day, and remember this
was right after the Wonder Years ended, So every day
on the campus, people like I stoually that girl, I
shoually like girls on TV are should that girls played
winning people. The day after the mid terms of in
handed back, somebody tapped me on the shoulder and said,
excuse me, why should that girl? And I figured they're
gonna say from the Wonder Years, said girl who got
the twenty two and I was like, oh, I was.

(40:12):
I was like, it's like, wow, wait a minute. And
I felt the sense of identity that comes from something
other than my childhood TV show. And trust me, a
lot of child actors, a lot of the issue is
that they're wondering what their value is now now that
shows over and I found that and it was it
was gold. It was gold for me. And so that
was really what kicked off my whole math career, deciding

(40:33):
to just focus on math and say, you know what,
I was gonna be a film majors like I'll do
a film later, I'm gonna be a math major now
and and make that my focus. And I loved it.
I loved it. I loved getting up and putting a
ratty T shirt on, the jeans and no makeup and
just going to class and just like, just to me,
that was glamorous. It sounds really silly, but it's the truth.
I really felt like, kicks, I'm trying to think of

(40:57):
what I think, um, math major looks like did you
ever see the movie Real Genius with Val Kiler. That's
what I'm thinking you're talking about right now? Well, certainly male,
you know, and then Asian male I mean, right, this
is stereotype and I love breaking stereotypes. Now. That's why

(41:17):
when I wrote Math Doesn't Suck, It's that was the
first book. I wrote. It for middle school girls. I
mean boys use the books too, but it's really focusing
on girls and being like, hey, you don't have to
You can be whoever you want to be. You can
be glamorous and fun and we're makeup and do your hair,
and be awesome at math and have a really sharp
brain and do the rest of it. It's it's whatever
you want to be, don't be don't be limited by

(41:38):
by stereotypes. Once you graduated and got your degree, what
happened next for you? Like, all right, I'm gonna go
start writing math books for kids, or I'm gonna get
back into acting. Like what was the next step of
the process. I mean, it's it's a little messy. It starts,
you know. At first, I was doing some like independent
films that weren't very good, and I people in the

(41:58):
business that assumed that I had I was a has
been And I remember going to some auditions and they're like, oh,
so how have you been. We hadn't seen you in
a while, And I was like, yeah, I know, I
went to college. And they're like, oh, well that hey,
that's great, that's great, that's so great that they're a
little relieve you know, that's so so did you what
major in theater? And I was just love that moment.

(42:20):
I'd be like mathematics and just like their faces like
I would just relish that moment and I'm like, how
dare you assume that I'm like off, you know, doing
drugs or shoplifting or whatever, you know, all the stuff
they I was like, you know, it was very very
satisfying anyway, So I kind of stumbled back into acting,
but it was a rough It was a rough entry.

(42:41):
And it was actually because Aaron Sorkin was a huge
fan of mine and I read for The West Wing
and it was just a again, it was a small part.
They've got bigger, um. It was like one scene. I
remember my agents saying, do you want to audition for this?
Only once? And like, yes, the West Winning. I love
the West Wing, Yes, yes, yes, So I auditioned for it.
And this was two thousand two, and that was it.

(43:01):
That was the audition that took me back into more
mainstream TV again. And and in the meantime, I had
started a website and I was getting I was like
answering people's math questions because I was sort of miss math.
So I was sort of straddling both worlds, not really committing.
And then and then, um, it was two thousand five

(43:22):
when I had an article written about a math page.
So I wrote, I helped to prove a new theorem
when I was at college. For whatever reason, sometimes things
will dropped out of the sky. The science writing for
the New York Times wanted to write an article about me,
and they put me on the front cover of of
the Science section of the New York Times. And the
article was in between series, so meaning the one years

(43:43):
in the West wing at just become superstar on math.
And that article got me so much attention, and I
had a couple of different book agents call me and say,
do you want to like write a math book of
some sort. And now I had spoken in front of
Congress a few years before that, shortly after I graduated
about the importance of mathematics, and I studied the issue
a lot and read about how middle schools the time

(44:05):
when girls start to shy away from math, not because
they can't do it, but because they feel like they
don't belong and they feel like if they studied too
much or if they too got a math 're not
going to be accepted um and and they start looking
around and going, well, who am ill I don't want
to be a math NERD. So I'm going to dunbe
myself down and really studying this issue and wanting to
break that stereotype. So when this one book agent in particular,

(44:27):
she and I just clicked on the phone and I
was like, actually, I know exactly what I want to
write about and who I want to write for middle
school girls and math. I want them to to embrace it.
And that was that was thousand and five that that
phone call happened, and the book came out two thousand seven,
and that was the beginning of McKellar Math. And my
tenth book came out this past summer, called The Times
Machine for a third and fourth graders teaching Multiplication Division.

(44:50):
So I wrote like middle school in high school. And
then I came back and started young again with good
Night Numbers. That was the Dolly Parton ended up in
her program and then making my way up through elementary school,
and then this summer it was interesting that I would
finish the Times Machine and it would come out, because
now that filled in the last gaps, and I got
books for all ages from zero to sixteen, and just

(45:12):
in time for the pandemic. Is probably great for a
lot of moms who are now having to be teachers
as well, though, exactly because the math looks different now,
you know, for first for through fourth grade, it looks different.
It's all. I've got this new math translation to guide
for grown ups in the back of both do not
open this math book which is first and second grade,
and the Times Machine, which is third and fourth grade.

(45:34):
Oh that's so smart. Both my sisters called me in there, like,
did you know they changed math? It's like, I don't know.
I didn't know they could do that. But no, that's interesting,
Yeah they did. They did in two eleven is when
it started, and then it became more and more common
throughout the following years. And I couldn't believe that nobody
had written a resource for parents in during that time.

(45:54):
That's crazy, dude. I'm running out of time with you,
which bumps me out. But I need to know about
testifying before Congress. First of all, how did that come about?
After so after I graduate. After I graduated with my
degree in math, I the very first job I do
was actually an episode of a show called Working that
Fred Savage was doing. That got me all this pressed

(46:15):
like Winnie Cooper's the math with so that's that's that's
out in the world and everyone's talking about that, and
was like, why would you do math? Blah blah um.
There was a commission that was in Congress that was
trying to get more money. It was for college grants
I think it was, or anyways, scholarship. I think it's
something like that for college. Basically, they wanted more money
for for women in college, and so they wanted me

(46:36):
to speak to the importance of this. They have to understand,
I was just graduate. I just graduated with a degree
in math. I'm a literal person anyway, and I'm very
I don't read between the lines very well at all.
It's just who I am. And so I was asked
to speak about the importance and what I what I
thought about this. I was not thinking about the fact
that they probably just wanted me to help them get

(46:57):
money for their thing. I was like, oh my gosh,
it is time for me to testify in front of
Congress about the importance and woman and what the real
issue is. And I studied they made this hundred page report,
and I'm like, there's no way that everyone on this committee,
the Subcommittee of Technologies Science, there's no way they read
all this. I've studied the whole thing. I mean, I
studied it, and then I read the executive report that
they probably read it. They right, it's very and all

(47:18):
the really important stuff was in the actual reports and
documents and studies. The little report, the little executive summary
they created for the members of Congress didn't show how
important middle school is. They don't want to talk about college,
and like, you guys, I was like, such, you guys,
it's not in the executive summary, but here's the real
deal in the people who flew me out there public.
Oh my gosh. And I didn't even this is not

(47:39):
occurating to me until years later because I still have
in front of Concress and said, so, I'm not sure
if you guys had shipped my dad was in the rhythm.
This is the last about it goes. You told Congress
that they probably didn't have a chance to read the
whole thing. But as that was and said in that person.
You're finding a chance to red the whole thing. It's
not in the executive summary, but here's the deal. It's
really starts in middle school, and that's where we need
more money, is for teachers in middle school and anyway.

(48:02):
So that was that experience, and I pledged to them,
I said, and I said, a major problem is that
math has bad. PR said, you know, girls, and it
happens in middle school. And I pledged to you to
use my know, my my public platform to get math
the best PR possible. We need to math to be
explained and more fun terms for kids, and we need
there to be in general feeling society that Matt does

(48:23):
not make you a nerd, it makes you more powerful.
So this is my impassionate speech. I only had four minutes.
I delivered everything in formaist to them, and uh, I
never heard from those people who invited me again. And uh,
but I you know, I I just swear in front
of Congress that you're gonna tell the truth. I mean,
this is a big this is a huge deal for me.
So then I decided to and I've been fulfilling that

(48:44):
promise ever since of getting math better. PR and helping
math to be more fun for kids because it's the
way it's presented and may solve the difference that was
that was in two thousand seven doing it for twenty
one years now, Well, I think that's so cool and
so rad and I mean, you've done a lot of stuff,
but to me, that seems like such an amazing accomplishment
to get to go do so congratulated. Yeah, my dad

(49:07):
tells it that after I said, you probably didn't get
a chance to read it, but it's really important stuff
in the actual court that the guy goes, well, why
don't you tell us what's in there? Glasses? All right,
young lady, why don't you go ahead and tell us?
Then why don't you educate us? I'm like, okay, so
here's us in there's. First of all, the speed in
which your brain works is really really fun energy to

(49:29):
be around. But it makes a whole lot of sense
for me, and I would assume everyone listening of why
you are so successful? Well, one question I do ask
a lot of my guests is what's the one creedo
that you live by, our one rule that you have
that you think has helped you continue to be successful
in life and in business and everything in between. Well,
I will break that down into two things. Most important

(49:51):
is that you have to be living in your integrity
whatever it is, and ask yourself, does it ring that
truth bell or you're ignoring a red flag? Like you've
got to know if the choices that you're that you're
about to make, is that something that you're gonna that
you'd be proud to tell anybody that you decided to do.
And if you can't, you're not proud to tell everybody
that you made that choice. Don't make that choice. It's

(50:12):
as simple as that, because you'll regret it later, you'll
feel bad about it later at some point. So there's that.
But in terms of what I think has helped me
to be successful, because look, let's visit, you can be
successful and not living your integrity and just feel horrible
about yourself and yet you're successful. Right, So that's that
side of it, because you want to let be able
to look yourself in the mirror for real, because it'll

(50:32):
haunt you and on your death. But you're not going
to care about the money you made. You're going to
care about how you felt and how you made other
people feel. But in terms of being successful, to me,
the biggest trick that I've learned, and this helps me
with everything that I'm feeling apprehensive about doing or there's
a daunting task. Something my dad taught me is he
learned from a Dale Carnegie lesson, and that is because

(50:54):
one little phrase do you tell yourself, and that is
let me add him, Let me add And you have
got to say to yourself. With just just commitment, let
me at him. You can even tense up your stomach
a little bit to get rid of the butterflies. Let
me at him. So this can be before a job interview,
this can be before a difficult conversation you have with
somebody and your personal life, whatever it is that you're
feeling out rands, so that it can be before you start.

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You know, you've been wanting to write a book for
years and you've never started anything like that, anything at all.
Let me at him, Let me at him, and just
keep saying that to yourself. You'd be amazed at how
changing your internal dialogue actually changes, like your body chemistry
and the feelings that you're having about whatever it is.
Write it down on a post and note everybody's listening.
There's a reason you're listening to this. This message is

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meant for you. Write it down, stick it up there
um and you'd be amazed at where it will come
in handy, I love it. Before I let you go,
Do you have some time for some rapid fire questions? Sure? Alright?
Rapid fire questions with Dana mckeller. Would you rather be
rich and sad or poor and happy? Happy? Night in
or night out? Night in? What's your hidden talent? Picking

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things up with my toes? Early bird or night owl?
O coffee order? No coffee for me? Favorite beat the topic?
Who was your first kiss? Well? That was with Fred
Savage on the Wonder Years Crazy First Concert, Everyone Too
Thriller by Michael Jackson. Wow? Really yep? That's a good
one that might actually win for best answer for that question.

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I watched him, you know, moonwalk Fast behind John Ritter.
First job your head? It was a Volkswagen Club commercial.
Who would you call to get you out of jail?
I guess my husband. Do you have a celebrity crush?
Not currently? But when I was little it was Michael J. Blacks.
That's a good one. And last one, what is something

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that you haven't done in your career that you'd like
to going forward and let's you work with Dolly Pardon.
Oh wait, I already got to. Uh, you know what
you know if I love I just think you super talented?
Is Robert Downy Jr. I think it'd be a lot
of fun to be in a scene with him in
something very cool. Dannika McKellar, you've been absolutely amazing to
chat with everyone out there. Do not miss Matchmaker Mysteries

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The Art of the Kill. It's coming up this Sunday
on Hallmark Correct this Sunday on Hallmark Movies and Mysteries Channel,
and that's at eight o'clock, seven o'clock Central, where people
will follow you. They can follow me on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook,
TikTok and that's all at Danica mckeller with an a
R at the end. If you're not sure how to
spell my name, just type in Winnie Cooper and Danika
and you'll find it. And then also Matchmaker Mysteries on

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Instagram if you want to get behind the scenes pictures
and videos of the movies. You know, through the pandemic
and all the rest of it, I've become much more
concerned with trying to help kids in particular, and so
I have a whole bunch of children's charities that I
donate to. Uh if you book a personalized video with
me at Cameo so it's Cameo dot Com forward slash
Danika mccallary. You can also find the link in my
Instagram bio. UM. I donate all of my proceeds to

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children's charities. So it's places like child Help, um, my
Stuff Badge. These people help abused kids and foster kids,
and then also some charities that help to fight child trafficking.
So not the weird conspiracy theory sides of it, but
the actual real side that's happening online right now, like
every day in every neighborhood. So um, there's some really great,
great charities that are helping kids a lot, and I

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really appreciate it, and I would love to do a
personalized video for any of you guys birthday's anniversaries you
name it Mother's Day. Thank you so much for being
on the show. You are like truly very inspirational to
listen to, and your story is bonkers, So I appreciate
a lot. If you ever want to come back on
and finished telling the story, because I feel like there's
a lot more you're always welcoming this show. Okay, thank

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you so much. Maybe I'll be in touch in February
when my next book comes out Perfect. Have a great
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