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Speaker 1 (00:02):
And it's guys like you that make his dad step
out of pocket.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
And that's why, and that's why Yanna should have slapped
the ship out his dad. Janna should have slapped the
ship out of him. That's a free body. Yannis is
a good man. Your psycho. You want to brag about
hitting my bm CA, I don't hear you know who
I was going back then, nigga like Drake's fucking sick
something and Pnjick is five four. Shut the fuck up.

(00:27):
When when bron fans d m us and they're so
offended and mad and they talk about fighting all kinds
of ship. I won't have to deal with this ship
no more. If he's gone, go away. This is your boy,
Giggy hit you boy. You're now tune into another episode
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(00:48):
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(01:10):
we got a special guest today. Special guest today is
a basketball mind. I appreciate his work. Good dude, you know,
Coach oh Man, coach the building. I appreciate in the building.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
You should have brought me a bigger crown you Coach
oh Is by the way, Montree all, you know, he
was at Orangeville Prep coaching over there, did a wonderful
job over there.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Now he's at Royal Crown doing wonderful things, winning chips. Man.
Talk about your journey man quickly man, your journey of
coaching and getting from mont you're over here.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Well, first of all, appreciate y'all having me.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
You know you guys, I love being in the spot. Man,
this is like an amazing spot.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
You guys appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yeah, Yo, I don't know where to start. I think
for me, it's really like, you know, I'm a product
of like really great parenting. You know, I got to
give shout out to my parents. My dad taught me
how to work hard, work hard, work hard, work hard,
be relentless with your approach definitely. My mom just taught
me to be kind, just be nice to others. So
having like that perfect balance, like it really kind of

(02:20):
shapes how I view basketball now.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
I was never like the super I tell people this
all the time. I was never like a gifted athlete.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
I always had to work for everything that I had,
So for me, I kind of like try to take
on that approach into my coaching.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
How I ended up in Ontario which is now almost
like my second home, right, It's like it's it's it's
really during the pandemic, right, everything got shut down, had
an opportunity. Tony McIntyre was the guy that hired me
at Orangeville. Shout out Tony Macy hired me at Orangeville,
stayed there for four years, and then afterwards there was

(02:55):
just management change and you know, decided going a different direction.
And I got lucky enough that you know, coach Chris
Excells decided.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
To give me an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
So hell man, then you know, now we're we're doing
what we're doing at World Crown, and you know what it's,
you know, looking back at my journey, I think you
really realize how there's little moments that really happened, and
it's really an addition of everything that gets you to
where you're at. So, you know, really appreciative that I
was able to be given opportunities by great people. And

(03:30):
you know, mentorship is super important, right, So for me
being to be in the situation being around people that
know basketball and me learning, me wanting to be curious
and learned, It's been an amazing journey.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
I can't complain. And you guys are winning a bunch
of chymps at the same time, you guys want the
m pH this year. What else did you guys? You
guys went to the finals and.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
So it all goes well, you know, crossing fingers, we
have we have our OBL playoffs right here that are
coming up next weekend with our girls, and then we
have a last spring league that we're in with our
Singer Boys regional team. If all goes well, we will
have double the number of championships we got in one year.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, that is what I'm saying, Give me some. That's
how you got to move it incredible. How do you
keep the kids motivated?

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Because I got a chance to, you know, watch some
I'm a twenty thirty type of guy in the class
of twenty thirty on smash and you know you got
my man Amari over there, he's a young bull. You
got Curtis another young bull, Jael got some young bulls
over there, and just seeing their development at the Grade

(04:45):
eight level, like, holy smokes, you could tell they're learning
some stuff at Crown for sure, you know what I mean.
And actually they're just coming back from the States right now.
They're adding to peach them. They just slapped them to
the Junior EU. I b L were locked in and
being me. I'm just like, yo, there's levels to it.
And you guys have that what's the word you have
that formula?

Speaker 2 (05:05):
I'm seeing. I'm seeing these kids.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
You see them at one place from a development stage
in September yep, and then by the time November December hits.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, you know what I mean. So just I just
want to shout.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
You gotta shout them out there.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, you're looking.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
It's It's funny AF you're saying that because I think, like,
having been at Orangeville for the past years, I competed
against Crown and it was always like I remember that
we used to when we used to scout against these players.
I used to always be like, Okay, well, for most
teams in our league, we can keep the same scout
all year. Rold Crown was the only team that the

(05:44):
scout would change because the players would get better. So
if you're going under on screens in November.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
You better know that yo, you're gonna pay yo.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
So it was it's it's amazing to be on this
side now and seeing like, you know, the biggest thing
is just consistency, right just every day, you know, Coach
Chris tells us, you know, we're just gonna keep doing
what we're doing, you know, and that's just showing up
every day making sure that we just get one percent
better every day.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
That's it. That's it. I rate that, man.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
And last last question, I'm gonna be a little messy
with it, flipping you guys in for Eerie. Man, you
guys gotta love hate relationship.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Maybe because they're.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Coming like you guys can beat them. But then when
you guys play in the grind session like they're slapping up,
they're slapping up everybody, and and those teams that they're
slapping up they got the double you guys. But then
when you guys meet for Eerie, it's like it's like,

(06:47):
so I'm learning like matchups are everything. I don't know
if matchups just favor you guys at the moment, but
I just want to shout out you guys, and I
want to shout out for Erie. It could be a
one A one B type thing.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
I don't even know if it's the players, coaches, they
got the issues. I'm just like, there's something there's not.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
In there because you guys are there there the head
of the class. Guys are the cream of the crop.
You guys set the bar. I think both programs really
and truly, but when you guys meet head to head, yeah,
I'll be slapping them.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
So it's always been a fun match up. It's always
a fun matchup. And it's like, I think it's you
realize then that there's so many people that really like care.
I don't and I didn't realize. This is my first
year of being a part of like that fortiery World
crowd kind of matchup, and it's like you realize how
many people are invested in it. And then what's crazy
about is that you got boys and girls. So it's

(07:41):
like if the girls are playing, the boys are in
the stands, they bays are playing the girls are right,
So it's like, I like that there's that kind of
rivalry because you know, quite frankly, we're missing a bit
of rivalry.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Miss gotta get gotta get messy out here, and I'm
the perfect person to start some ship. Who wait for
ear your crown?

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Man, Okay, let's let's start. Let's start, man, let's get
into the show. NBA Playoffs twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yes, by far the best playoffs and a bit that
I've seen. Round one.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
You can't say, Giggy.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Enjoy Are you enjoying what you're watching?

Speaker 2 (08:22):
A you not interesting? I think we're in I think
we're talking like this because Lebron's out play here we go.
I think that's why we're not even Man, I'm just
saying across the board, brother, you're you're enjoying the playoffs
with no Raptors.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
I get a chance just to be a fan now, Bro,
I'm invested in my Raptors obviously. But now that they're
out and we'll be back next year, I agree, we
definitely will be. But now that they're out and I
can just chill, like you know what I mean, It's
like the wife and kids are gone to Jamaica.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
I got the house to myself.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
I'm just gonna chill.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I'm gonna let my nuts hang. Oh God, all right
to join it? Join Pacers verse. I mean Piston's versus
the Knicks. Many Piston's they come up, came up short,
Knicks one, four, three? Uh, you got Jalen Brunson average
thirty pretty much thirty two points a game. Yes, what

(09:16):
is your guys thoughts in this in this series? Man,
go here, you're the guests. Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Well, first of all, it was nice to see. It
was a bit reminiscent of, you know, back in the
day with Detroit, you know, like that was nice to see.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Detroit needs to be in the play. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah, I just think that fan base really, like, you know,
deserved it, you know, for going through all the years
that they went through. But there was at times where
I think it was where was it Game four with
that uh that no call at the end where it
should have been a foul and whatnot. Right, So for
the game to be that close, I think that just
means that it wasn't It could have been anybody's game, yes, right,

(09:54):
So for me, it was really nice to just be
able to see that that element of competition was good
even if that series. There really was just maybe one
series where it was really like lopsided from start to finish,
right and that Cleveland and yeah, the Cleveland Miami.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
That was like that series got me thinking like maybe
we shouldn't do playing anymore, just like because that's a
playing team and come on to lose by sixty and
all that other stuff, it's just bad. Come on. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
So for really like and I agree with you, there
was a lot of like competition, the physicality.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
And that was letting them you're not play mm hmm.
So for me it's been like it's been nice to
be able to see you know. But Nicks versus Detroit,
I think that exceeded expectations because I think most people
would have thought that New York would have just walked
in there and just I knew.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
That wasn't gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
I thought, really and truly that Cade Cunningham and Jalen
Brunton I thought they were going to match up. I
really didn't. I thought Cat will just try and back
him down the entire time. But you know, Jayalen Kate
did his damn thing. I was just we're just talking
offline that that draft class cade Evan Mobley, Scottie Barnes,

(11:10):
and I know there's some other guys, but that draft class,
I think that draft class has has a chance to
probably be up there with the two thousand and three,
nineteen ninety six, nineteen eighty five being one of those
top draft classes. Maybe maybe just off of those three
players alone, you know what I mean, They're they're definitely

(11:31):
franchise players.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
You know, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
But then and then on the knick side, I mean,
it was great to see, you know, Og do his
thing and Jalen Brunson do his thing.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
When you say Og did his thing, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (11:46):
He was just steady. He was guarding Kate.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
He made it, he made it guard. He was guarding.
How much how much does Kate average series thirty?

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Let's not get let's not get caught up with the stats.
That's you said, heard him work. The item told me
that he was kicking his ass. That's a shot at all, man,
you know, but he's been very steady. And in regards
to Og hitting time he shots, it looks like him
and macal Bridges got a little synergy.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Thing going on, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Those two on the wing very very problematic, you know
what I mean. And then with what Jalen Brunton. The
only knock I have on JB, despite his clutchness, is
he takes way too much field goal attempts. Man, he
shoots the ball way too much. I think he took
like twenty plus shots just to get thirty something or
forty something.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
But isn't that Isn't that the role of the playoffs though?
Your best players have to take most of the shots.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Jalen, you said, yeah, I mean he's taking he's averaging
like twenty four twenty five shots a game, as he should.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
And you got Cat, I think you got the cat.
That shit ain't going to one game.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Are you going to trust in cat like.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
That can engage?

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Probably if Kat don't bring his big eyes on the
block man, and he's just gonna two threes, Bro, that
shit ain't gonna work it. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
I'm just saying I don't think that strategy is gonna
work against the Celtics.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Listen, that's been working all year for them, So I
got it. I gotta be we'll see, but I just
don't see it just anyway. You know, I enjoyed the series. Man.
Shout out to my brother Jared Jack on the coaching
staff of the Troit Jack listen, Man, congratulations on the
great season. You know you guys well be back next year.
I did. I did think the Knicks were gonna steamroll

(13:30):
these guys. I'm not gonna lie, because the thing about
this series, like you said, it was a very close series.
The Pistons can't keep a lead. Yeah, they can't keep
a lead. They'll go up by ten, twelve, and the
Knicks will come out and go and to score like
twelve fourteen straight points. Like they can't keep a lead.
And that's been through the whole entire series. And then
Jalen Brunson just nobody could guard him, you know, from

(13:54):
you know, Dennis Schroeder. He just he tried his hardest
and just it just didn't work. Whoever was guarding this guy,
from Malik Bleasley, whoever. It was just a mismatch. And
you know the shooting. As far as Malite Beezy, uh,
he's just soul. He's hot and cold streak just for
you know, that's what he does most of.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
The time, like and he self proclaimed himself as the
best shooter in the world.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
No, I think it was I think it was him,
And at the most this year, I think I think
was number one and everything he was number two.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
He said, shooting in the world. Though I'm like man, I.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Would if I was Detroit Pistons, I'm going after Devin Booker,
so that he's a he's a he's a hometown kid.
If I can keep Cad, keep Duran, Darren needs to
work on his post game. He needs more post moves.
If I can keep Duran and I can keep Cad,
what about what about my what about my fellow my

(14:52):
Stewart didn't play different?

Speaker 1 (14:59):
But at the same time, Detroit still has Ivy. You
got hurt Ivy, Yes, he was hurt too, So would
you want to run it back with Ivy?

Speaker 2 (15:08):
He he doesn't fit there. He doesn't say no, he
doesn't fit that team. He doesn't fit And this is
why he wasn't playing before he even got injured. He doesn't.
He just doesn't fit. He needs to go somewhere else,
you know.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
The more what I've what I've learned is like a
lot of times with the playoffs, it's it has to
do with like matchups, right, I just think like down
the stretch for the for how many possessions are going
to be played a team like New York Knicks, with
how Cat plays, Cat's a trail Big. You have to
put your rim protecting Big. I'll go all the way

(15:43):
out there, you know what I mean. So it's like
I just think, like for a fairly young playoff team,
like it was just like a bad matchup. Tips, Tips
coach the hell out of that series.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Sure, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
You have to manipulate which matchups and you want to
let I got no problem with Jaileen and taking shots.
I'm all for ye the point guy, the guy if
the rolls are defined and I know that, Okay, this
is who we're gonna go down with and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Like Yo, I'm I'm good with that fair enough, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
I'm just saying, O, G and Bridges are they're chilling.
The guy hit the buzzer beater. That was a sick.
That was sick. I'll give you that was that was
against just flying what that was Thompson.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Thompson rookie, he's still rookie, right, Yeah, he did that
against a rookie man. Yea holiday to worry about. Next
we'll see we're gonna be talking about his twenty five
attempts and he only scored twelve points. You're gonna be like,
damn Brunch, you gotta get off that ball a bit.
You're gonna be saying that.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Like like you said, the matchups might be a little
different now, right, Like you said, where Cat is a
trail big so he's met at the three point line. Yeah,
so ship is open, like that thing is open. This
is why you see brunts and gun to the bathke Yeah,
because it's open. Got me. He has to meet at
the three point If he doesn't Cats coming down, he's

(17:03):
hitting us sitting it. So he has to on defense.
He got to meet at the three point line.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
You know, I mean, you know Boston plays five out anyway.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
It is what it is. What do you guys think
about this next series Boston versus the next How do
you think this will go? What is your thoughts on
this next series?

Speaker 3 (17:18):
It's gonna be It's gonna be matchups for sure. I
think the first thought that I have is probably probably
gotta go try to see if they're gonna put cat
on Who is Cat gonna guard? That's the number one
because Cat's biggs.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, they're gonna Does that mean they go small? Then yeah,
they're gonna have to go small. They're gonna have to.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
But off of the thing with Cat though, is that
Cat fouls a lot. If I can't keep Cat out
of foul trouble, do I hide him on other people
or do I put him on its? Porzingia is gonna
sit there and shoot threes? Or are you gonna take
him to the basket a little bit? Are you gonna
post him up? Are you gonna back? I almost think
they're like the same player. Man, both big eyes stretch five.

(17:59):
I just want to be on the perimeter. They don't bang.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Most of the Cat's files are just stupid, right, and
prizingis like I think Kat could have the advantage if
he just actually puts his head down and tries.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
But y'all remember when Porzingis came back in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, he looked good.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
He posted up everybody, he was drawing foulst.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
But will he do that? That's like we see that
once in a blue moon. Yep, That's the thing. I
don't know, man, I think this is gonna this series
is going to be tougher than a lot of people think.
I don't know if Boston's is gonna just steam roll
these guys because they Knicks got the wings to the
guard Listen, listen, Nicks. They did what they did against Detroit.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
A lower seed team, a team that just you know,
lower seed, didn't have a great record, still made to
the playoffs. I think when the Celtics, I mean when
the knixt matchup with top echelon teams, they they're like
they didn't want to play. They didn't even want a
regular season game. They went to four games against Boston,

(19:00):
you know what I mean. So production, I think it's
more of a mind game. As an OG fan and supporter,
when we used to play against the Raptors, when he
looked the Raptors playing against the next I mean, playing
against Boston, he would always I don't know, man, just
he'll have a great game the night before, play against Boston,
ship the bed and then I think it's a mental
thing with him. When he just sees that green and white.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
He freezes. I don't know what it is.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
His game, its production level just drops. Remember Michel Bridges
had that form at the beginning of the of the year.
I think he's going to find that for him again
and just start missing changed it again, right right, I
just think he's gonna be shooting. I think he's gonna
be shooting like how he just when he first.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Came at the beginning of season.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Remember when they played Boston the first game of the season, right,
Nicks versus Boston. He was coming that Bill cart Wright ship.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Right. I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
I feel I feel like when it's time to play
against the big boys, the Knicks fumble the bag.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
What's the series?

Speaker 1 (20:00):
You got in the series I got, I got a
gentleman sweet about one.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with Celtics and six
Celtics and six get too. All right, Okay, let's talk
about the pacers in the bucks Man. So this is awful.
Uh you got Tyler uh Tyres Halliburton. He average bought
seventeen six twelve assists. You got past gal average one

(20:31):
average twenty twenty four, says Miles Turner, who played phenomenal
in that series. I'll give it to him. He averaged
eighteen six to Andrew Nemhard that that point got fifteen
and three.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Sist y'all, man, I don't know what you guys be
doing over there, but yeah, I'm vn Hooper's doing it.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
What is your thoughts on this series?

Speaker 3 (20:54):
I would say like that was probably the series that
I was least invested in. Like I would say, like
for the rest of the series, I wanted to know,
like how teams are going to perform against each other.
I would say for that one, as soon as I heard, hey,
they might come back, they might come back, I knew
it was never like going to be like if he
did come back, he was he wasn't going to be himself,

(21:16):
that's number one. And he's such a he's such a
vital piece to that team that like it just meant
that the offense was not going to run the same way,
and like in terms of getting momentum, it was going
to be very hard for that team to do.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
So.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
So we're talking about Dame, right, We're not talking about
when KD came back, because that's the first thing I
thought about. Remember when the KD came back for the
finals against the Raptors, injured, scared, Right, he comes to Katie.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
When he busted Katie. It's not the same thing.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
We're talking about a small guard compared to a seven
foot guy, right, it's not the it's not going to
be the same. And also, like let's let's be serious,
like blood Cloud is no joke, no joke.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Look at his no joke.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Why did he come back so soon? That's that's the
million dollar question.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
That's where I'm like, I'm like trying to think about
the health of these players, where you you might be
better off not playing at all, right, but overall, looking
at Milwaukee in general as an organization, there has just
been too many switches. From the time they won the
championship when they had Drew Holiday, what they failed to

(22:27):
realize was that the reason why you were the best
defensive team is because Drew Holiday is fighting over those
pick and rolls. He's fighting over the picking roll. So
you can't sacrifice Drew Holiday and bringing Dame and then
it messes up your You have no identity. Now what
kind of team are you? Your offensive team? That just
like we're going to rely on Dame and and Gianni's

(22:49):
pick and roll or are we a defensive team was
what actually got them the championship because that meant Drew Holiday,
he was guarding one through five.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Through that bottom line right there.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Ship So for me, it was really just that it
was like I didn't know what identity Milwaukee was gonna have.
You know, you have Giannis, but in today's NBA, it's
not enough to have one player.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Man, he needed help. This guy was shooting like seventy percent.
This guy was like thirty five or some creative shit
like he had no help, no help. And then when
you look at the last game, like they won, they
won a game, the last game Gary Trent Junior, he
just he just if you just catch the ball, you
win the game. When they turn the ball over, they

(23:30):
lost the game there. I think they were about like
seven and like thirty seconds there's some crazy shit like
and then again defense like turn the ball over, Okay, cool,
you're up by one. Yeah, you gotta at least allow
ty Reese to shoot that ball right, don't let them
just drive right. And there's no help, like help you
see him getting beat. Help like that shit was just

(23:52):
like confusing. So I don't know what I'm realizing.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Also, in today's NBA, it's a lot of these players
depending on injury or trades or that kind of stuff.
They've been put in situation that they didn't think they
were going to be big. Put in at the beginning
of the year, someone like Gary Trent. If you told
Milwaukee Bucks, listen, you're gonna win a championship, We're gonna
trade Chris Middleton, and at the end of the year,

(24:14):
Gary Trent Junior is going to be your second leading scorer.
Nobody could have seen that coming, you know.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
What I mean.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
So it's like he was kind of put in that situation.
So yes, you have to step up, but yes, I
also have an understanding from my you know, just being
a coach, like that's not what he was roped.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
And Kuzma just gave you, you know what I mean,
gave them. Yeah, I think he had a game where
it was just yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
You guys can't say that Tyrese Haliburn's o'trated anymore.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
I'm still saying that just disrespectful. He's very you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
And it's guys like you that make his dad step
out of pocket.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
And that's what I mean. That's why.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
Talk everybody that was a free body, that's a free
bodybody hearing y'all talk about that's why his he's overrated.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
His dumb mass is bad. He drink too much. Should
have slapped ship out of him. That's a free body.
Have to do is say, listen, I was in fear
of my life. This fan is on the court, which
he shouldn't be on the court. That's a free body.
Nice is a good man. He's a very good man.
I'm sorry, but what Why do you think he's overrated?

(25:32):
I just think just okay. You know what annoys me
with players when they talk ship when they're up. I'm
a type of nigga. This talk ship in the beginning
of the game, and when we're losing, I'm still talking.
I'm not he's a front runner. You want to talk
ship when he want to talk ship all the time
when they losing. Nothing to do with his production, and

(25:53):
I just don't think his game, Like, is he a
top five point guard in the NBA right now? I
don't even think so.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
I think most cansider, yes, mostly considered.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
We can we can't break it down. Are you going
to take Brunson over him? I think so. Are you
going to take Kyrie over him? I think so. A
healthy Kyrie You're going to take over him every time?
Are you going to take. Let's name the point guards
here a real quick shay. You're taking him, You're taking Luca,
even taking Luca, You're taking Staff Like I'm not. That's

(26:24):
just five right there. I can keep going. I'm like, huh, Dame,
you're even taking Dame. I might take No, No, I might.
I think I think right now because you mentioned got hurt,
so I don't. I'm talking in the n b A,
there's four hundred whatever. How much players are you taking?
Is Tyree's Halliburton the top five point guard in the NBA.

(26:46):
I don't think it's debatable. Darius Garden over him?

Speaker 1 (26:51):
This debatable man, Like I'm.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Taking There's a lot of guys that I would take
over him. Mm hmmm, He's not a top five point guard.
So Garland.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Tyler, here, are you taking Aaron Fox over him? No?

Speaker 3 (27:06):
I think I think the reason the reason why he
gets a lot of that is just because, like the
game's not sexy, you know what I mean. Like it's
like the form is not the orthodox, you know what
I mean. But it's also like Yo gets everybody involved
for the team that he has. When he gets paint touches,
he kicks the ball, everybody gets so involved, so valuable

(27:27):
to that everybody.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Let's see what happens. Let's see in the Cavs series,
I mention, I think Indiana. I think Indiana's gonna take
game one. Tell you're true, all right? Game on today?
Right now? All right, let's move on to Clippers and
the Nuggets. Man, this was this was probably my favorite
series in the whole playoffs. Why amage twenty five and eighteen?

(27:50):
You know, Norm Power sixteen shout out to Norm Powell
doing his thing, Zoo Box seventeen and ten. Uh Man,
these these when when you have Jamal Murray and he's
gonna engaged Jamal Murray and he's shooting the way he's
shooting the ball, den Ver Nuggas kuld probably win the championship.

(28:15):
That that that team and the way they because because
the one thing about Joker, Joker is just gonna be
who he is, don't matter if he has He doesn't
have bad shooting games. Really he's always I think he
I think a few games ago he had like nine rebounds,
like he didn't he didn't hit his average. But those guys,

(28:37):
and then you're gonna have Aaron Gordon who just plays
off of just he played. He just plays hard right.
He's always in the right place at the right time,
catching dunks, like catching offensive rebounds, plays smart mismatches, and
he shoots wide open shots when he's open. Doesn't do
too much, just does enough right. And then if you
look at the points total, he got twenty five and eight,

(28:59):
you know, reoffensive like that's just how it looks, right.
But the key to that team is Jamal Murray. If
he plays and average is twenty five and he plays
like playoff Murray, they're not. No one's beating this team.
And it started off slow and he's he's just he
goes up and down. When this guy plays just the

(29:22):
way he's supposed to play, You're not beating this guy. Man.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
I'm glad they got Westbrook and brun because they kind
of offset Jamal Murray when he goes to those lapses
of not scoring or.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Game seven, they went on a twenty four to four
run in five minutes. Twenty four to four runs five minutes.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Quarter was just that third quarter was nasty and for real,
and now nobody could talk about hard and being better
than d Wade or Iverson.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Thank you whoever said that is, whoever said that like
would say that the younger girl. Younger just says about
this spid, come on, man, like I guess he's more
regular season. No, just don't put him in a game seven,
game seven. Don't put him in a game seven.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Four teams he played on and experienced at game seven
and loss. That's just that's a you problem, b you
gotta fix that, man.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
I'll say this, like with the thing with the Denver Nuggets,
it's they're showing that like team basketball can always win.
I think like the pieces fit well together. They know
who the go to guy is, their go to, their
go to you know, m VP is like unselfish guy, right,
he'll make the right place. You have guys that will

(30:36):
cut off the ball. You have Aaron Gordon, who will
you know sit in that spot just done right. And
then you also have Jamal like like you said, like
at the end of games late clock, if I need
somebody to create the shot, he's going to be the
person to create that's going to create. I will say,
like for me, the biggest like concern with that would
be there's been a lot of talks about their depth.

(30:56):
Right when we say depth, just is are they going
to have enough different ways to attack different teams in
the playoffs, you know, because like if you make it
difficult on Joker and you take away shots from Jamal,
are you relying on Westbrook to now have to create

(31:16):
You get what I'm saying. So, like I think like
that's where like teams could really end up, Like because
where the Clippers really really it took a few games
was when they made it difficult. They kind of went
into this little zone right whenever you Ki would catch
the ball. But then where Nuggets counter reacted to that
was that they said, Okay, you know what, you're gonna
go into the zone. I don't put my best playmaker,

(31:36):
which is put him at the free throw line, and
that's where he started killing it.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
And anyway, that's how that's how you bust the zone. Anyway,
all the extended and then he was surgical with it
and Westbrook was actually hitting. He was hitting threes, which
is unusual, uncontested threes.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Though half in the first half, I was taking notes
on the game in the first half, I said, like, yo,
Westbrook has his his fingerprints all over this game. Rebounding, deflections, defense,
like all those.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
I think what summed it up was Westbrook missing the
free throw and getting his own ring like it's over
and then and then when he got that done, that's
what he wanted to reminded me of a finch Man.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
That's what we do. He wanted that when when it's
either up thirty down thirty on that rim, kick that
ball out, shadow b.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Man, get that ball out. That's game man.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Anyways, Uh you got we got the Lakers and timber Wolves.
I think this was probably the series that was probably
the most watching the first round. Timberwolves end up getting
beating the Lakers. For one. Listen, man, it wasn't playing
Lakers La Lakers. Real. Yes, what a man say? He

(33:05):
said at Man, Superman, Batman, Wolves and five. But h
this series is all about Luca Man. When I say,
if I want to give a person any type of
blame in this series, I'm gonna go to people first.
I'm gonna start off with JJ Reddick. You're just a
complete idiot, not an idiot. No, No, he's an idiot.

(33:27):
And I'm gonna tell you why what is the podcast
called with him? When he was on Mind the Game,
Mind the Game the Game? He was he was before that,
so he's so brilliant. But you're dumb ass. Did something
that no coach has ever done in the history of basketball,
the word the shot clock era. And you play your

(33:48):
guys the whole freaking second half of a game, twenty
four straight minutes. And you and and then when they
ask you about, you know, your assistant coaches, He's like,
you don't think I lean on my assistant coach, So
did you not lean did your assistant coach tell you nothing?
Don't throw them under the bus and act like they're
dumb as dumb like you. They got so they got

(34:10):
Scott Broke that that coach is that. That guy is
so arrogant, and it drives me crazy how he just
thinks he's just bro. You are a ship coach. He's ship.
I don't care what great.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Everybody was praising him in the regular I wasn't just
saying he was getting all fluff. He was getting praised.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
We know how the NBA goes, man, we know how
the NBA goes and we know nobody plays hard in
the first and in the regular season. Nobody does. This
is why guys like aar go off on them and
everybody praises him. And as soon as the playoffs start
and he sees a real wolf in front of his face, like,
do something now. All that step back ship he was
doing in the regular season, you're not doing that ship

(34:49):
now when Ed Edwards is like, I'm locking in. So
the ship is fluffing the regular season. So this is
why we can't if they if we can go back
to where players actually played basket ball even during the
regular season, than we would see. But he's getting the
blame and then Lucas getting the blame as well. Bro,
you can't defend we need thin Luca. He's fat. I

(35:12):
don't know what happened to him. He went to America,
started eating crazy, I don't know, but he's fat. Now
he can't even jump. Bro, let me give you something.
Listen with Luka Doncic. Twenty three points off of just
that one game, just off game five, twenty three points
off of drives, people just driving and blowing by him.

(35:36):
Twenty three points he gave up. That's embarrassing, bro, Come on,
he average. He gave you ten points, almost eleven points
in the first quarter, and then what happened in the
fourth He gave you five, I mean four points in
the fourth quarter. Like it's just bad and you know
Lebron he gets he gets some of the blame too,
Like I'm just I'm showing him. I'm giving him a

(35:57):
little bit of grace because he's forty, you know, I'm
giving him grades because he's forty. But damn to b
two and twelve in the last three years in the playoffs.
That's bad, man, That's what it is. Man. But in
their defense.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Game three, maybe Luca didn't, you know, recover from that
stomach bug that he got, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Lebron played with the.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
M c l injury in Game five.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I don't want to hear that.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Sh Let's ship and the boy and the boy reads man.
He had a he had a spring.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Told I don't want to hear that, you know, a
spring big Toes. I don't. I don't you know.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
I thought JJ was so funny, coach coach Reddick, I
should say, sorry, no disrespect. Coach Redick was so funny.
He did not play Hayes right in a while. He
put in a dude that didn't play since January. MAXI
Cleaver put him in the game. I was like, MAXI Cleaver,

(36:57):
that was so different, and they're going to tell me
he's not in it. No, I think I think I
think he knows.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Hayes average nineteen minutes almost twenty minutes a game during
the regular season nineteen point five. He averaged seven points,
five rebounds, and he shot seventy two percent field goal.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Yeah, do that, Minnesota, But you're gonna lose the bench.
You lost the bench, right, But you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
There was no games where I think there might have
been one game there was a blow up. Most of
the games are closed, so you don't understand if you
put him in and maybe he gets a rebound here,
maybe he gets a lob here that can be the
game right there, or a momentum swing. You let a
guy like Rudy Gobert.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Four and you got rebound.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Godberg got his tenth threes and you just watch you
said it didn't watching him. Yo, he's worse than Steve
Nash as a coach. He's worse than Steve. He's holding
to do that. Don't do that.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
You know the thing is too, It's like it's it's
hard to win when you settle for threes, right, And
I think like a big part of lou game, if
we remember last year's playoff run was the fact that
he made a guy like Derek Lively look like prime
Clint Capella, where he was like able to just get

(38:10):
you know, a big screener. Lucas superpowered, the fact that
he was able to manipulate the defense of course, right
screener that rolls, and then after that it's like the
defense now shifts from the weak side, and then he decides, okay,
am I kicking it this way, my desid or it's
a lob either or right right. In this series, when
you go with when you don't play Jackson Hayes, if

(38:30):
you pay attention in game in game three, Jackson Hayes
was rolling to the basket day and then the defense
was shifting and Ruy Hochmore was cutting from the weak
side dunk.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
The whole game was opened up. But this is what
I mean, just those simple things when you go five
out winds up.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Happening is we teams just switch and now Luca has
to go one on one, tries to tries to get
the fouls, doesn't get the foul. Then you know, when
Luca misses a shot, he falls and now it's five
on four on the other side.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
He's always going at the raft was looking at the
raft crying and that was the game. So my question,
do you do you think this is because now Lebron's
been there for how many years? How much? How many
years has Lebron been there? Would say seven years?

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Last year eight made sure he left as soon as
Kawhi came.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
To the Yeah, so he's been there for He's been
there for seven years so far. First year he got there,
he missed the playoffs. Second year twenty to twenty he
won the he won the Bubble Chip. Third year he
lost the Phoenix Sun's first round. Fourth year he missed
the playoffs. This was against Denver twenty twenty three, this
was the Darvin Ham he lost and he went to

(39:43):
the conference finals, lost to Denver Nuggets. Then lost in
the first round the next year twenty twenty four, and
then he lost again in the first round to Minnesota Timberwolves.
Should the Lakers move off of the Lebron era? Now?
Is it time?

Speaker 3 (39:58):
So the first part of that is that with Lebron
being forty, I think it's going to be up to
him his decision what he wants. Right, if he feels
like this is where he wants to Okay, well, you
know I want to waive my no trade clause because
I believe he has a no trade clause.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
I think him in an.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
And then I think the next part of it too
is if he does. Like as an organization, I don't
think so. I think you should maximize, you should maximize
having Broun next to Luca. What I mean by that
is just like you're hoping that by Luca having a
whole year, because don't forget, he got traded. Got traded
at some point like half we through the year, right, Yeah,

(40:35):
for him to have a whole year and offseason with
having Braun and that kind of stuff, you're kind of
hoping that it translates into a future investment where it's
like you're hoping that he picks up on those habits,
he picks up on the kind of work ethic because
at the end of the day, that's the only thing
that's holding Luca back, Right, everybody's talking about like, you know,
get in shape during the off season and all that
kind of stuff, right, So understanding an organization and having

(40:57):
them go through a full year, a full cycle together,
I think it pays more dividends in the long run.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
So I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
I mean, anyways, what's your thoughts. It's time to move on,
move on where though? You know what I mean is
this will just turnish his legacy even more. I'm hearing
Dallas to go with Kyrie and and Ad.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
How much man, do you want to go play with?

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (41:18):
You know what I mean? So stay in La.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
You're with Luca right now. Go through an off season
training showing Luca how to get his mind right ready
for an NBA season, you know, a full eighty two games.
Hopefully Lakers get a big You know, I seen a
coach I'm not Polinka, but what's his name, Polinka, the GM, Yeah,

(41:42):
Ralph Polinka. You've seen him with the folders and coming
out of a restaurant with Luca. So hopefully they have
those type of conversations like, yo, Bro, this is your team.
We're going to give you the keys, but we need
this this, this, this, this done.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
You know that's believe it's the Lakers. So they're going
to try to maximize all the Lebron's. They're going to
try to maximize. It hasn't panned off like in the
past few years. I mean, they got one ring out
of it.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, I think if you do have an opportunity. If
the Lakers do have an opportunity, it's time to move on.
It's time to move on from the lebron Ero like
he had this franchise, like he's been strangling it. You
bring your son on there, So it's been a circus, right,

(42:27):
you refuse to take it. Now you're now you're refusing
to take a pay cut. So you're like, I don't care,
do what you want. Every single year, it's always threatening
to retire. As you've seen in the press conference. I
don't know what I'm gonna do next year, to put
pressure on the organization to get more players, Like how
much more years I gotta deal with this ship? Like
how many more years I got? Luca? Now bye? I

(42:47):
don't need you. I hear you, Luca, Luca went to
the finals with less man. Let me just go put
a few more pieces around Luca and let's call it
a day. It's just too much. Every single year we
got to deal with. You know, he's he's he might
retire now he walking with a limb and man, get
out of here with that ship. Man. The last time
I seen that ship was at twenty. I can't remember

(43:08):
when he punched the wall, and he was mad when
he lost to with j R. Smith and them guys,
and he came off in the friggin in the in
after the game, in the freaking in the press conference,
he has the freaking the soft cast like niggas like,
come on, man, I'm tired of this ship. And another
reason why he can retire so his fans can go
with him. Get the funk out of here. I'm sick

(43:29):
of when when bron fans d m us and they're
so offended and mad and they talk about fighting and
all kinds of ship. I won't have to deal with
this ship no more if he's gone.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
No wait, I'll still poke funny, y'all style. You guys
are funny. You guys are funny.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Let's move on. Let's talk about I want to talk
about you know, we talk about the small ball stuff
and just just how teams, how teams they went small ball.
It affected it, you know, just like how the Lakers
like you guys are trying to play small ball. It

(44:08):
worked work for a lot of years. Well it didn't
work last week.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Yeah, so Game four, you know, and I was texting
you that I think Game four shot ten threes Austin
Reese shot twelve and Lucas shot twelve. So the threes
that they're getting what And this is where I think
like there has to be like a better education because
like our young players are seeing this and thinking like, yo,

(44:34):
this is the way that we have to play basketball.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Right, But if you think about it, think about it.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
No, no, you know, but are they settling? I think
I think that one the key thing are that that
a play for three or that ball swinging to you
no options, I'm just gonna settle for this trade ball
right here.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
The best threes that you can get here's and this
is where like even for us when we used to play,
I can't believe I'm saying this. You know what we
used to play. It used to be okay, well you
gotta work inside out right. So for me, where things
are kind of changing is because the best shots you
could get, right all are all generated by you getting

(45:15):
to the paint. That's right, layups, free throws, corner threes.
Even in the NBA, that's what they talk about, layup,
free throws, corner threes. Right now, what's happening is there's
a lot of like settling where it's like Okay, I'm calling,
I'm getting a screen, and now I'm looking at Austin
Reeves and it's like you're taking so many side steps,

(45:36):
big step back though, you know what I mean, just hurt,
Like how many catch and shoot threes are we really taking?
You know, we're getting to the paint. Because now what's
ended up happening is like with the way analytics is,
they're telling these guys, it's better off you shoot those
threes instead of taking any twos. But what that is doing,
it's also like when you miss a three, you give.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Up a layup on the other exactly.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
So it has like this kind of like effect where
it's like, yo, you can't even get set up on
you can't even get set up properly on defense.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
So that's why I always said, like teams that go
small ball, especially in the playoffs, they rarely have any success.
Why because in the playoffs the game naturally slows down.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
The wrong guys are taking the three wrong guys are
taking the three wrong guys. I don't think or whatever
his name is, his last namely shouldn't be taking double
digit threes. No, there's no way, I'm sorry, Yeah, he's
no way. And even if you look at Minnesota and
Minnesota shot four for forty seven threes. That's crazy, that's crazy. Yeah,
it was O for eleven. Yeah, he settled so much

(46:38):
that game because he could have put there, He could
have put the game away long time ago. Yeah, because
you know Lakers retired and see how they started off.
They were tired and he they went up by ten,
and they could have put their foot on their throat
and they just kept settling. Yeah. Three three, I was like,
this ship is just what is he doing?

Speaker 3 (46:54):
When you make them, it's like it's it's like fools goal.
When you make them, it's like yay. But when you
miss them, like you don't realize the effect that it
could have.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Because also like rebounds, transition, bro your transition, if your
transition defense, you're.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Not getting to the line. Think about this, you're not
drawing files, you're not getting to a line. When you
at the free throw line, the game slows down. You
can set up on defense, you can get a stop.
But now's there's so much emphasis on making all these threes.
When you miss them, Yo, it's up and down.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
It's great, it's great for regular season.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
But.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Now what I'm starting to see too, is like I
think obviously with the small ball you saw I saw
the Clippers, the Clippers feel like to win they have
to go small. Right When they had like Kawhi, I
think it was like one of their biggest players on
the court. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then what's happening

(47:47):
now is there are teams now that are like the Timberwolves,
like the Houston Rockets, right, that are understanding that, Like, yo,
once you have your size out there, you could punish
those small ball lineups by crashing going to the offensive rebound, right.
I mean, we had Rudy Gobert look like prime shock
in that game.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
You know.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Not only that, we're looking at the Rockets and the
Rockets and and the Warriors. Yo, Steven Adams, Stephen Adams
killing it.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
So there are some things that even though the game involves,
there are some things that are still fund fundamentally we
still have to keep in our game.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
You know, it ain't going nowhere. It's gonna get back
like a door like you know what I mean. I
think the game is going to go back to two
bigs on the court. Yeah, you know what I mean,
because that's the only way to kind of counter small.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Ball teams are starting to play more soon look at
Rockets right now, you know what I mean. And this
is and we're talking about how different these playoffs are.
This is the most zones that I think we've seen,
like from a variety of different teams.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I seen the.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Warriors go zone, I said, the Clippers goes on, Lakers
went zone, Denver went zone. When you go into a zone,
like you stagnate the offense a little bit. So now
teams are selling and then that's how they're getting all
these layups.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
On the other hand, coach Lou said it in the
most game, like yo, when Denver went zone.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Yeah, and even that said yo, I think they were
into a zone, you know, like yeah, it's it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
It's been interesting for sure. I love coaches that can
disguise zones. Yeah, catches you slipping that one or two
possessions before.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
You catch on.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
But that's what that's what the Clippers really good time
when you can just disguise it. That's that's that's that's
where I'm trying to get with coaches, just like how
do you do that? How do you execute that?

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Right there? You know what I mean? We had we
had five Rapptors who were in the playoffs, right, and
I want to know from you guys who we So
we had normal pal uh uh Freddy mm hmm Freddy,
Freddy van Vleik, we had Kawhi Leonard, we had Pascal,

(49:58):
and we had o G. I want to know. I
want to ask you guys, who are you most impressed with?
I know I know Norman Powell and and Kohir Gone,
but who are you more impressed with in the playoffs
so far? Our former raptor. I'm gonna say.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
I'm going to say the way that Kawhi had that
big of like was a game Tour Game three where.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
He was.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Yeah, yeah, I think that was impressive to see that, Like, Okay,
this guy can still whenever he wants to get to
his spots, you know, whenever he gets to his right hand,
he gets to wherever he wants.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
To get on the floor.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
But I think longevity for where we're looking at in
the span of these playoffs, I think we're going to
look back and be like Pascal had the best playoffs,
you know, obviously them moving off to the next round.
He is such a big part to that team. We
talked about how stagnated could get when you settle for threes.
He gives them a different dimension. Right for him being

(50:51):
able to pour step yep, poll st up, get to
the way, get paint touches, all that kind of stuff, right,
has really taken the next step at guarding different sizes defensively.
I think in the long run, we look at the
span of the playoffs, I think Pascal, if I went
to look back at the player, I think he's gonna
be the one that I'm going to be the most impressive.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
That was very good. That was a very good, very
good call. You know, I would say, O, G I
just hear this guy.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
I mean, I like Freddy, you know, I like I
like what fred van Vliet is doing. He's slowly turning
into a vocal point offensively. He's showing everybody why Houston
gave him so much money, Like everybody was questioning it
for the for the longest while because of his size
or whatever whatever. But he's having a great great Hopefully

(51:41):
hopefully they win, you know, in advance the next to
the next round, but hopefully hopefully they lose. You know
what I mean, fred had a great game, but they
lose in Golden state advances.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
But to answer your question, I'm gonna go with fred
van Vliet.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Freddy Freddy. I'm gonna go with damn normal, normous, normous averaging.
I think he averaged nineteen in this series. But man,
I'm gonna go with Pascal. The average twenty in this series. Oh,
fred davaging nineteen? My bad? He is? He don't so far?

(52:18):
I know the last three twenty five plus last twenty nine,
last last three games. Freddy is so funny because Freddy
Draymond said that Freddy is the reason why the Raptors
beat them in the finals. You're going so but I'm
gonna go with Pascal. Uh. Pascal doesn't do a lot
like he He doesn't what I mean a lot he

(52:41):
doesn't do. He doesn't need to drib dribble, drip, drill.
Just get off. He'll grab the ball, just go a
little floater quickly, he'll turn around, his face up, he'll
shoot his jump shot. He doesn't do a lot. It's
just so effective. He just is so damn effective. And
you've got Miles Turner on the perimeter.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Yeah, that's going to bring out one of those Cleveland big,
the big is Evan Evan Evan movie is gonna have
to guard Pascal off the bounce. And he doesn't back
down like he wasn't. He wasn't backing down from Giannis, like, yes,
you might be the best player in the world, but
I don't care. We're going to war and let's let's
keep it a bug. And this is why I always
wanted to keep it in Toronto. Pascal has gotten better

(53:18):
every year.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
It seems like every year just adds some to his
game and gets better. Last thing we're gonna do talking
about NBA sons. Du come on, now, let's talk to me.
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Just take this, Just picture this, fellas, picture this right here.
So we got a bunch of guys from the NBA.
They got their sons going going to college right now. Sorry,
you know, so, let's just picture them playing in a tournament,
a two on two tournament. All right, you got Carlos Boozer.
We can't take both of his sons, and he can't

(53:52):
have a sub.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
You know WHATNA take the best one. You gotta take
the best one.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
We're gonna go Carlos Boozer in his prime versus you know,
Carlos Bruiser in his prime, and Cameron Boozer okay, versus
Jermaine O'Neill and Jermaine O'Neil junior. So Jermaine O'Neil in
his prime, Jermain o'il junior, Son, I think he's going
to m s m u. Yes, yes, son, yes, And

(54:19):
Cameron is going to do all right. So Carlos Boozer
in his prime, his best statistical season, he was averaging
twenty one eight to say, ten rebounds to assist when
he was with Utah, Yeah, okay, okay. Cameron Bruiser obviously
senior year in high school averaged like twenty two twelve three,

(54:41):
you know, Gatoray Player of the Year, you know what
I mean, big.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Time, yeah, big one, like three year or four strate
state championship. Jermaine O'Neill in his prime, three best Indiana Indiana,
you know what I mean. He was averaging like twenty
twenty and ten yep, you know. And Jermaine Jermaine O'Neil
junior was going smu you know, twenty two and twelve,
you know, and five blocks and you know Jermaine is

(55:06):
a rim protector. So he inherited little little Jermaine inherited that. So,
so who would you guys go with if they're playing
too on two right now? Who's winning that game? The Boozers.
You're going with the boches boozers, and I'm going with
the booches as well.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Got too much size there, that's what size much shot
out to Jermaine though, like going straight from high school.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yeah, that was like time. That was the big time
back then too. Yeah, I don't think it happened anymore
now I don't think so. Nah around cool.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
So we got another one I got it's a sixteen tournament, okay,
So we got Carmelo Anthony and it's prime. I'm talking
about twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. I think you look the
next right, averaging twenty eight per game, taking the scoring title,
beating out Kobe and Durant and and Lebron with Kayen

(55:57):
who did his damn thing this year? You want to
me going to Syracuse?

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Okay? I think it was mister New York. Yeah, mister
basketball and State of New York.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Yes, big time, big time score. All right, you got
another score? You got they're going to play against Gilbert
and Elijah A renus so imagine Gilbert in his prime
five oh six zero and they're averaging thirty six two steals,
you know what I mean. And Elijah and Elijah Elijah,

(56:31):
Oh no.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
This was tough. Yeah, it was a tough one for sure.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
It ain't that tough. It ain't that tough.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Freaking Elijah six to six, I know, Kayan is like,
I think six four sixty five. I'm gonna go with
the Anthony's man the ball first, right, that's the question,
because your prime guil Man problem, Agent zero come on
three is turning around before gold from the logo too.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
And Elijah is a problem and the problem you're just
having fun out there with kids.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Bro, Yeah, he's a problem, I do.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
I'm going with Carmelo, and I just think they're just
they're just they're just scores. And Carmelo Todd his son.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
I'm gonna give I'm gonna give it to the Anthony's.
Give it to the Anthony's here. Why because Carmelo had
a longer run of this agent had it just for
a few four years. Maybe he's an all star. It
was it was crazy those years, man. But I don't know, man,
I think Elijah might get his son Elijah might get,

(57:36):
you might get I don't know. If the get the
ball first, I'm going with you. You know where there is.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
I just think, like, yo, the two of them are
just machines scoring, right, So I just think like, yeah,
it's just you gotta think about it, like, yo.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
These guys, Anthony's d is not the you know what
I mean? Yeah, and he's changing my pic and I'm
going going just sixty six right, yes, you know.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
But they're not their bucket getters. But they're not Anthony
bucket gets yo.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Think about it, prime prime zero.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
In this matchup, those four players, three of them could
post up Carmelo and both Arenas is.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Getting posted up every single time, Carmelo and Carmelo. If
aging it's the ball, he has the guards, no chance.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
I'm still sticking with Anthony.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
And then and then the last last, the last, the
last game. This would be first round or whatever, but
this will be the last, the last game of this tournament.
We got Lebron James and his prime all right, he
had a lot of prime years, you know.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
But I'll go with eighteen.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
I'll go with the two thousand and thousand, Okay, two
thousand and nine when he was averaging twenty eight point
four seven point six rebounds with seven point two assists.
His player official efficiency rating was thirty one point seven
to six you know what I mean? Well, no, sorry,
let's go with five oh six. We saw him score

(59:19):
his most points per game thirty one point four. The
two thousand and ninth season was generally considered statistically superior
due to his overall efficiency and impact. So we had
a lot of different years. Prime Lebron with Bryce James.
Who's going to Arizona? Okay, they're they're gonna be playing

(59:40):
against andre Igdala. Okay, seven oh eight?

Speaker 2 (59:47):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (59:48):
The sixers he averaged nineteen point nine also five point
four rebounds. You know, since listen, you ain't gotta finish,
bro And then you got you got James got, he
got Andreas Junior.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
I just heard of him just now, just a few
weeks when he committed to Baylor. Listen, Listen, listen, listened,
James b James.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
I with this matchup. I only went with this matchup
because you know, andre took that m v P from
from from Lebron. Technically, Lebron should have been.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
The winner, the winners team.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
He should have you know what I mean, in company
with Jerry West. But that's the only reather reason why
we're doing that match. I think Andre Godalla can slow
him down a bit, you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
But a game that's okay, I'm going with the James,
and I think Breaks is going to be something different
as he develops.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
I would go, you know what I go with with
with Brown as well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I just think, like, you know, if bron Tookovich to
the finals, you can think he can take right for sure, right,
but you know, this is a good opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
For those that were able to watch six Ers play.
He was tough, was really really really good. Man wasn't
wasn't scoring guy?

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Remember there was like, yo, we got two aisstic.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Yeah, we're seeing we're seeing the more older version with
the with the Golden Warriors was a problem. He was
already I'm still picking the James. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
I just want to shout out the dads. Shout out
the dads that are actually doing it for their young
ins and it's great to see a lot more pros
and seeing their sons now following their footsteps. They kind
of get the cheat code in regards to what it
takes to be a pro. But yeah, I just want
to I want to spice it up a bit with this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
I think what's missing from these guys having like their
kids in there. The reason why they played was because,
like they had, there was a pain or there was
something that was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Fear hung to play, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
A lot of their players, they're they're kind of brought
up with you have au, you have all this and
all that kind of stuff. So you could see the
skill set and them being around NBA resources, but like
the grit and the wanting to get to the next level.
I think that's what's missing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
That's the key right there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
That's the key right there. Super skilled, hunger that they're dead.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Yeah, hey, I gotta give a shout out you guys.
Have you guys been keeping up with Jamal Crawford and
his son keep up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
The way rotary or the way they're breaking down breaking
down the game and the way yo, it's scary.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
What's really scary about the way he's raising his son
too and what he's teaching him is because a lot
of times with naturally skilled guys, they can't really explain
the game away. Jamal has a way that he breaks
it down and I think it makes it like very
digestible for a younger kid, Like so you could see
like he's the kid is already playing up. Yeah, so

(01:03:03):
that's really like nice to see. I'm very intrigued to
see that kids development for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Fact facts. He looks good though, I'm gonna lie anyways.
Last thing we're gonna discuss, we're moving on a hip hop. Uh.
It's been a year since the beef. It's been one
year since the Drake and the Kendrick Lamar Beef. I
want to ask you guys, what is you guys thoughts?

(01:03:27):
So in the beef we had like that mm hmm.
We had uh push ups, then we had Taylor made,
Then we had Euphoria six sixteen in l a Euphoria,
and then we had Meet Meet the Family, Matters Meet

(01:03:48):
the Grams, Uh not like us and in Hard Part six,
but the Drake was was the last one. What is
your guys thoughts on the on this beef is being
it's one year, but yes we're still talking about it.
We are, Uh, what what is your thought? What is
you I want to ask you guys, what is your
favorite song and what is your favorite line? We're going

(01:04:11):
to rap today.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
There's there's only one, there's only one of their favorite
song and what is your line?

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
There's only one? Okay, what's your favorite line from Give
me one of your favorite lines and you need to
rap it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Kendrick just opened his mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Animal right now?

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
That just see how that kind of like mm came.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
He called it, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
And the other line was a ceasing decisions for hose
can't listen to the lives that come out of your mouth?
You called the two pack of state and begs them
to sue me and get that down. I thought Taylor
made was a classic this. I heard DJ head on
mau on that podcast and and maybe maybe I'm just

(01:05:06):
cut from a different class. They're saying, you know, using
somebody's voice, disrespectful, but it's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
A I I thought that's more of a compliment. Weren't
they doing holograms for Park? But my thing is, if
it's so disrespectful, why can't why could Kendrick try to
sound like Park and reincarnated? He sounded like Park right,
But it was Okay, let's just be honest because it Drake,

(01:05:33):
that's the reason why they're of had no issues with.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
It, and they kind of just I felt like everybody
just looked over Taylor Made, and Taylor Made was one
of the most creative tracks, like absolutely utilizing AI.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
And all that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
So yeah, those those are my two lines right there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
It's just so epic.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
The beat change, you know, could have been three different.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Want to go ahead on.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Everybody's just crazy that, like, yo, it happened, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Yo.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
After that, he goes on and wins five Grammys, just
calls it, you know what I mean. But to that,
I think, like for me being like a Drake fan,
like I'm Drake Fans since Replacement Girl.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Like all the way, you know what everybody everybody said
on that song Pray Songs is going to be the
guy that's but it was interesting. I'm like, yo, I'm
like I called my cousin. I was like, yo, I
think the guy from Gigrassi just came out with everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Was nice to see that, you know, and then from
then it's like you can see it so far gone,
come back season and everything. So for me seeing that
he was able to grow to this, the fact that
somebody gets into some kind of rap beef with him
and just them mentioning the name gets them five Grammys.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
That's huge. And he's on and he's on to it
right now, sing it over and over and over and
over and over again. You have to yeah, my face,
I'm with you, guys. I think I think Family Matters
is the best song in this whole entire beef. I
think now was song of the Year last year. I'm
gonna keep it a hundred. Well. My favorite line from

(01:07:23):
that song when he asked, He goes, why did you
move to New York? Is it because you live in
that bachelor life proposing twenty fifteen but don't want to
make her your actual life wife. I guess this wedding
ain't happening right because we know the girl that you
actually like the darkest secret is coming to light. And
he goes, it's all in your face, Like what happened

(01:07:44):
to Mike? See what he said? It goes, uh, the
song on your face, like what happened to Mike? Oh shit,
it's all making sense. Maybe I'm prince and you actually Mike.
Mike was praying his features would change, Yeah, because to
make people believe that he was actually white, him top

(01:08:05):
would make you do features for change. Jump on pop records,
rap for the whites feel, but it's not done. Rap
for the whites. And wait, you say your brothers Jermaine,
but you wanted him to stay out of the light,
just like this guy, what a little what did Michael

(01:08:27):
Jackson here? You want a little Jermaine in the group
if you just if you just look at how he
broke the way he the way he broke, like how
your psychle Like that's crazy, right, crazy? It is? Come on, man,
and people want to talk about his penship game like

(01:08:48):
this ship is not when you and this is what
mom meant when he said here he outbarred him. How
do you come up with some ship like this? And
it makes sense just when you break this bar down
when he's talking about Michael Jackson praying his features would change.
Remember Michael jackson ship started changing. He started looking like

(01:09:08):
a white guy, remember he was. He didn't like how
his nose looked and he changed it wonder white. And
he goes, yo, you top which is top dog? Made
you do features for change? Get on pop records and
rap for the whites? Who does he have records with
Taylor Swift, Maroon five, all these guys like you're more pop?

(01:09:32):
Come on, many.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Do you think Drake would have been considered winning the beef,
but by everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Had split up? Because the first verse was all Kendrick based.
The third I think it was.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
The second verse was more of like, and then the
third one was still like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
A mix of both. I think you should have split
it in three different songs. If I was, I would
have waited. I would have dropped the first one, and
I would have made that one whole song, and then
waited for Kendrick to respond, and then drop another the
second verse and away from the spawn, and then drop
the third. I would have made it all three songs.
But I think I think in this whole battle he
was doing from the beginning anyway, I don't. I think

(01:10:14):
it was just a plot.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
But then I think that also speaks to his level too, right,
because like if in one song, I gotta, you know what,
let me just talk about these three guys and get
it over with, you know what I mean, let me just.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Like, let me just make one track. We haven't heard
from as Rocky ever since, like he killed him. You
talked about you hit my baby mom first, but think
about who I was hitting then back then talking about
I was hitting Rihanna back then, nigga, what we hear? Like,
what are we talking about? You want to be? You
want to you want to you want to brag about
hitting my b I'm cares. I don't care. You know

(01:10:46):
who I was doing back then, nigga? Like disrespectful, disrespectful anyway,
That's all I got.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
I think, just I guess more from like I guess
educational standpoint, right, like for young up and coming rappers
and people that are in the game and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
All that kind of stuff, you know, not me, I don't.
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
I feel like there's also like some unsung kind of
like rules to this thing, right, So for me, I
found it weird that they started out of nowhere, Like
he brought up someone's kids, families. Isn't there a rule
where it's so like you can't bring up a certainer?
Was like, it's everything like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Everything is talked. That's why I.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
That's why. Yeah, I'm just like Apparently apparently there was
a conversation that Kendrick had with him saying that I guess,
you know, let's keep things out of it. I don't
believe it, and then all of a sudden, Drake said,
I'm going here, you know what I mean, I don't
believe it. And then apparently there was there was. I

(01:11:56):
was watching DJ head he went back on his radio station.
He does with this This girl Gena views just annoying
as fuck. She was like, oh how Kendrick asked for
the fade, and Drake said no, Drake's fucking sick something,
and Kendrick is five four. Shut the fuck up. They're
not fighting, bro, Shut up like this, kung Fu Kenny Ship.

(01:12:17):
Shut up. You don't care if you some Compton, he's
not fighting. It's too small. Stop lying, lying reason you
can do all those type of push give I'm just
they're just talking this to be talking anyways, we're swinging up.

(01:12:38):
Connect right if we connect though, like, what are we?
What are we doing here? Ain't nobody that little whooping me?
I don't care what you said.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
I want to shout out andrew them hard man real
quick once again. In the playoffs completed around one, taking
out taking out uh the box. Just remember he's even
talked fucking smack saying like we're ready for the Olympics.
You know what I mean, He's so comfortable, you look

(01:13:06):
so good out there. Control out the league. He averaged
fifteen fifteen and five as a starter, you know what
I mean, getting ready to play against Cleveland. He's getting
better every year. I remember him from when he was
younger hooping with us, you know what I mean. And
he was probably grade eight, grade nine of them times
hooping with men, you know what I mean. So he

(01:13:29):
was just on another level with it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
So I just want to shout out Andrew, keep going.
I call you a point guard for a reason, and
you're putting everybody on notice. And I see the little
memes of him, Andrew Nemhart bump, that shoulder bump is real.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
He's in the way. Sometimes my kids will not make
it so obvious. A lot of my kids they'll be
like this going he just yeah, he's hitting you, but
he's not extending. So he's doing a man shadow.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Andrew Nemhart, man of one of the Toronto's one of
Canada's finest box and yeah, man, coach oh Man, thank you, coach.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
I appreciate it. But where can we.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Follow you on social media?

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Man oh Man?

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
First of all, thank you for having me man coach
O three six five. I also try to like simplify
the game of basketball. As he started like a middle
little account. Ask coach O. So any questions anybody has, like, feel.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Free to ask me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
That's what I if I feel like, that's what I
could do for the game, right, just help as much
as I give it back. Been fortunate to be given opportunities,
so I'm looking forward to giving back.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Right. Appreciate you, man, and that's it. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Continue to follow us on all social media platforms. Hit
that light share notification, hit all that, because we're doing
this for y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Shout out Title League, that McCants interview, my whole league,
Lee talking this ship. But our boys are ready for him, though,
the man am I ready for him? We see, we
see you, you know, distant cousins out here, man, we
got your back. We're here too, baby, all day and
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It’s 1996 in rural North Carolina, and an oddball crew makes history when they pull off America’s third largest cash heist. But it’s all downhill from there. Join host Johnny Knoxville as he unspools a wild and woolly tale about a group of regular ‘ol folks who risked it all for a chance at a better life. CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist answers the question: what would you do with 17.3 million dollars? The answer includes diamond rings, mansions, velvet Elvis paintings, plus a run for the border, murder-for-hire-plots, and FBI busts.

Crime Junkie

Crime Junkie

Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.

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Stuff You Should Know

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