October 4, 2024 • 28 mins
Nimene creates a stirring hip-hop track about the civil rights activist Claudette Colvin, who, as a teenager, refused to give up her seat on an Alabama city bus months before Rosa Parks’ famous protest. Featuring an interview between New York Times bestselling author Roxane Gay and a 6 year old named Stella.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, listeners, Niminy here, host of historical records. Get ready
to hear about a historical hero through hip hop. Also,
parents and teachers, you can download a free activity related
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Historical Records and now onto the show. After a few
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words for the grown ups, Hello, listeners, it's me Niminy.
I'm here in my top secret underground booker as usual,
I'm with my team of sound engineer raccoons.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Tina, don't be rude, say hello. Now follow me, everyone,
and justin heads up. I walk very quickly. Some say
that the way I walk.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Is nearly running, but we have no time to waste
because today's historical figure is Claude Colvin. Luckily, the conditions
for historical research are perfect. It's a beautiful day inside
my top secret underground. It might even be a beautiful
day outside my top secret underground Bucker. To be honest,
I wouldn't know.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I haven't been outside in a week.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
What, Tuna, that's crazy. You want me to go outside
right now? Why would I do that?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Whow Tina? When you're right? You're right?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Going outside is critical for my mental health. We have
a lot to do, but I should take a quick
moment to look outside and feel the sun on my face. Okay,
I'll just pick out this emergency exit.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
And why did I do that? It Historical record. You
are now listening to historical work.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
To make history, you got to have struggles to make history.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You got to show pois.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Cannot be quiet loud as the right to make history to.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Make some noise.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Listeners, welcome back to Historical Records, where we conduct highly
experimental experiments combining history and hip hop. Today's episode is
about the trailblazing civil rights activist Claw Deck Covin.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Also, I just tripped the alarm.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The alarm has been tripped there maybe and intruder.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
No, no, no, there's no intrudery. It was me. I
cannot take your word.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Worry.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I'll come on disembodied robot boile.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
That night in one minute, or the authorities will be cold.
Oh no, I hate bureaucracy. Also one minute. That's not
a lot of wickle room. And I don't even know
where to turn off the securities and stuff. Tina, what
aren't we gonna do?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Wait? We have a security center I passed yesterday. That
must be where we have to turn this thing off.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
If I'm remembering correctly, it's directly below us, about forty
stories down. Come on, raccoons, we'll take the stairs. Ah,
you're right, we won't get there fast enough. Brilliant idea, Tina.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
We'll jump down the garbage chuot and it'll take us
straight there. Raccoon, you go first. Now to fold myself
in half and fit into the carbet suit. I really
my soft Oh that's nice, Tina? How nice is this? Am? I?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Okay, no time, We got to turn this thing off.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
You have.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
All right, Let's open up the breaker and see what
where were you with? Oh? No, that is a lot
of plugs and wires.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Recommendation the wrong wire?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Not good, Tina. Any ideas I got you? Honey? Mama?
What are you doing here?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Well, sweetie, for one, I thought I help you turn
off the alarm. Trust me, you do not want to
deal with all that paperwork.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You're right about that.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I just got to pull out the right plug.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I did not see this coming, Mama. You sure you
know which one to pull? It's this one, I think.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Shut down? You did it? Now, give me a second.
I gotta boot it back up.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
We don't want any and you just getting in here.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And two days don't stand I can.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
How on the world did you know how to do that?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Honey, I set up the whole security system.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
You did, Yes, you had a lot on your plate
at the time.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Okay, I want to hear way more about that, but
right now I'm running a little behind, and I have
to track down one of my historians. Of course, I'll
see you later, okay, Ma, Bye, Honey.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I'm proud of you. Listeners, keep up with me.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
We're walk running to the library, and while we're on
the move, I need to level with you.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
The good news is that I have a truly sick
be lined up for today.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
The slightly less good news is that I really do
not know much about today's historical figure. I mean, I
know Claudette Covin was a part of the civil rights
movement fighting for equal rights for black people in America,
but obviously I.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Need more than that. And here we are at the
gigantic library. Gosh, I love it in here. So now
we just need to find Lead so she can give
us some historical help. That was a weird echo.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
That sounded nothing like me anyway, Like I was saying
because I don't have enough info right now.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I guess you could say I'm stuck. I'm stuck.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Okay, I can't be the only one hearing that bad
echo that sounds nothing like my voice.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Nimini, I'm not an echo, it's me Lee. I'm trapped
under a giant book.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Whoa look at the giant book.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I'm coming one, two, three.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Woo few Oh that is much better, Lee.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I know you like to bury your head in a book,
but that was a bit much.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
It was actually really informative until the emotional weight of
history and the actual weight of that huge book became
too much. Anyway, are you ready to immerse yourself in history.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
As long as you know what mean trapping ourselves under
that book?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Absolutely well, then step into the history simulator.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Lee, with respect.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I wish the history simulator didn't look like a gooey
alien pod.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I'll consider that feedback for my next simulator.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Okay, where are we heading.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
To see a very brave young woman who refuses to
give up her seat on the bus Claudet Covin.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Wait wait, wait wait, I thought that was Rosa Parks.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Rosa Parks refuse to give up per seat, But Claudette
Colvin did it first.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Well, it's a twist. I had no idea. You know what,
before we go.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Visit Claudette Colvin. Let's bop around a bit. Get the
full context.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Here we go, Lee, Are we on a live TV set?
You bet? We are? Oh cool? Look at those four
dudes in suits.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Those four dudes are the Beatles and this is their
USA debut on the Ex Sullivan Show. There was so
much exciting stuff at this time.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Who you gotta warm me when we're taking off?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Lee? So where are we now? What are all these buttons? Lee?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I We're on a spaceship, not just any spaceship, the
first one to ever land on the moon.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Actually Houston.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
On a second, it seems a weird alien pond just
appeared on our spaceship.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Uh Whoopspeed, gotta go, Niminy. We're taking off to March
twenty fifth, nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
What, Lee, This crowd we're in is huge. There must
be twenty five thousand people, and we appear to be
marching toward that official looking building.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Incredible, guest, Nimini, there are twenty five thousand people and
that building is the Alabama State Capitol in Montgomery.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Hm, why do I feel like we're witnessing one of
the biggest moments.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Of activism in the civil rights movement? Because we are.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You see, four days ago, about three thousand people had
gathered in Selma, Alabama, fifty four miles away and began
the march to the capitol.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
That's a long march.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
And you're saying most of this crowd joined the march
along the way.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
For four days, people came out all along the march route,
dressed in their Sunday best, to sit on their porches
and wave at the marchers, cheering with support and admiration.
And at each town more marchers of all agists joined
the group, waving American flags and making front page headlines
in the newspapers.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
And once this huge crowd gets to the capitol, what
do they do.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
They're going to deliver a petition signed by black voters
demanding an end to discriminatory voting registration practices.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Wait, so you mean to tell me that even though
black people have the right to vote in nineteen sixty four,
some people would still try to stop them from voting.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Exactly, many states would use racist strategies like intentionally confusing
and misleading literacy tests to prevent black voters from successfully registering.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
That's horrible, it.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Was, which is why activists were organizing and fighting to
draw attention to their cause.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
And luckily this march did just that.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
It did, but even that was a struggle. The first
two times they attempted a march to Montgomery, they were
met with violent resistance from Heckler's and state police. Awful
images broadcast on black TVs shocked people in households across
the country, and even motivated the President to provide US
Army troops and the Alabama National Guard to protect the
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marchers on their third attempt.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
It sounds like it took so much organizing and fighting.
Is that Martin Luther King Junior giving a speech?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Indeed it is, Oh, I know this part, oh, and
it gives me chills every time. This is where doctor
King says, I come.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
To say to you this afternoon, however difficult the moment,
however frustrate, in the hour, it will not be long
because truth crust to earth will rise again.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
How long? Not long, because no lie can live forever.
How long? Not long?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Because you shall reap what you sow how long? Not long,
because the arc of the moral universe is long, but
it bends toward justice.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Imy, you really know that speech?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Absolutely, I have the whole thing memorized. But where does
Claudette Covin come into this?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And now did a southern city Liketgomery, Alabama become.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
The center for the civil rights movement?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Phenomenal questions? Let's stay in Montgomery by go back a
little further and take a look.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I know where we are, but I don't know when
we are And why are black and white people drinking
from different wire fountains over there?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
It's nineteen fifty five, ten years before the Voting Rights March,
a time when people were separated by the color of
their skin. This is called segregation, and according to a
set of laws called Jim Crow Laws that have been
around since the end of the Civil War, it's legal.
That's about one hundred years of laws invented to make
life harder for black Americans. There are separate drinking fountains, elevators,
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hospital bathrooms and breakrooms, swimming pools, churches, lunch counters. The
list goes on and.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
On and buses. Black Americans were forced to sit in
the back of buses.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And in Montgomery, forty thousand black residents ride the buses.
That's seventy five percent of the total riders in the city.
And yet they are legally forced to enter through the
overcrowded back door of the bus, sit in the back seats,
and give up their seats for any white passengers who
want to sit down.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
But if we're in nineteen fifty five, didn't the federal
government at least order schools to be integrated in nineteen
fifty four?
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Everyone should be allowed to go to school together. Right, Absolutely,
that's what the law said. But the reality in Montgomery
and almost everywhere in the South is that some white
people were still fighting to keep people apart, and the
schools Black children are forced to attend are almost always
the least funded, with the poorest quality supplies, books, and classrooms.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
How are those kids supposed to learn?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Luckily, there's an organization called the n double ACP, the
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. The branch
here in Montgomery was the first in all of Alabama
and was founded way back in nineteen thirteen.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Cool I know about the NUBLEACP.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Their goal is to educate and organize folks in the
community to fight back against segregation and other types of
discrimination so that black people can get the respect and
opportunities they deserve.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Precisely and recognizing the needs of black children in Montgomery,
the n DOUBLEACP started a youth group and guess who
they put in charge of shaping young minds Rosa Parks.
That's right, And what's really wild is that the thing
Rosa Parks is most famous for was actually done by
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a fifteen year old girl from her youth group, Claude Covin.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Haha, bingo, Wow, it's all coming together. But Lee, why
didn't quant At Covin get to be as famous as
Rosa Parks.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Well, even though she was the first to do it,
the movement knew that she was super young and had
other things going on like being the kid. So the
movement chose to set up Rosa Parks to be nationally
recognized for protesting on a bus.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I truly had no idea about all that behind the
scenes stuff that made the civil rights movement possible.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, even though Rosa Parks famous protests seems spontaneous, everything
was meticulously planned. Same with the March to Montgomery. It
took several tries and a ton of organization.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Thank you, Lee, that was incredibly helpful. I think I
have enough information now for the song. Will you take
us back to my top secret bunker.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
We're back.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Oh, and I'm late for a recording session, but luckily
I brought my skateboard, helmet and he pads and am
ready to roll finally.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Okay, listeners, keep up. We are once again on the move,
right down instead of stairs.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Oh yeah, still got it. And here we are. Oh look,
the musicians are ready to go.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Time to make another epic shining song for the ages,
and this.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Time nemonies on the Mic Claude debt.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
That's my name, Miss Alabama. Born and raised this Montgomery
to be specific. Hope you don't mind these on the
risks zero nine, zero five thirty nine the birth date
of a future leader, civil rights activistic catalyst to be
Montgomery bus Boycott.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Again with me, Montgomery Bus Boycott.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
A lot of people don't know about the juicy tidbit.
Couldn't be the face of the movement because I wasn't
really because of my complexion. I'm never in the press.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Just think I was only fifteen, followed with my routine and.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
A segregatd Teen years after that of curves, I could
have find work, and I moved to.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
New York and you got in to nurse. It began women.
Nine before Rosa, there was Claude Gorman, and it began woman.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Did you know.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I wouldn't give up my seat? Nine months before Rosa,
he was Claude Gorman. Let me start from the beginning.
My dad left Mama's wallet. Was thim mean?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
See, I was born Claude Dad Austin. Then I went
to live with my uncle and my aunt, and that's
how I got the name.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Calvin. Had a little sister e. I was like, oh
this lost her to poly yoga.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I only knows my pain. I was so to yo
logically strange. Looking to Washington High School. I started going
there in nineteen fifty two. I was in the city,
a place I couldn't want to so ride in the
buses what I had to do. It was nineteen fifty five.
I didn't give up my seat. They called the police
and they arrested in me. But I had been learning
that by my ancestry. And then the youth come up
with inaa Steve pay So what said, I know my
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constitutional race.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
There was an empty roberside and he said, this isn't right,
Jim Cross.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
The black kids sent across from the white we always
got to be behind them. And this said, I'm like,
put me off the plus. I didn't fight work bus.
I didn't feel fear because I was young and tough.
To put me in an adult fell with no phone call.
But my friends went to find my mom.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
And it began with me now before there was clad Covin,
And it begin with me, did you know?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Did you know?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I wouldn't give up my seat? Now before.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
One year later, we had brought a versus gil I
was one of five plaintifs talking about how the law
had failed by the bust and we wasn't gonna take
in the federal court. They made that decision the Supreme Court.
They made that decision that the bus segregation was against
the constitution.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And they ended up permanent lead. And it began with me,
Nina before there was Clade Corvin. And it begin with me,
did you know, didn't know?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I wouldn't give up?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
That's my name, this Alabama born people minds Again with me, Oh,
I almost forgot.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
The city of Montgomery, Alabama, declared, Mark second Claudette Colvin day.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
We'll be right back after a few words for the
grown ups. Wow, that was incredible, and while.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
The circumstances couldn't be more different, it's really got me
thinking about my own life.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Funny how history can inform the present. Hot listeners. Hey, Danna,
do you know where my mom is? Ah? Of course,
the personal history room. Where else would she be?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yes, Tina, I know we have an interview lined up
in five minutes, but I've got to do something first.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Now do you mind if I borrow your scooter? Thanks? Tina? Right?
What apo set of sticks?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah? Still good? And here we are. Hi mom, Hey, sweetheart,
what you're doing in here?
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Just looking at old pictures?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Look at this one? Oh it's me as a teenager.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Honey, that's a picture of me.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Wow, we really do look alike. Huh strong jeans baby.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Anyway, Mama, I wanted to ask more about you setting
up the security system.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I still can't believe you did that.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Well, get in a top secret bunker up and running
is no small test, and I was thrilled to be
able to pitch in, so I pulled some permits, get
the security system Paratina and the other raccoons and tell
them how to use all the sound equipment.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Just some behind the scene details. You low key paved
the way for my dream.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
You're not the first person in this family to love
history and hip hop, and I thought your idea to
combine them was genius.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I had no idea. You did so much to make
this happen.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
In my experience, whenever something big happens, it takes a
lot of people to pull it off.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I'm learning that, yeah, and not everyone can be the
face of a movement. Some people have to set up
the security system.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Thanks Mom, I love you and I really appreciate your support.
I love you too. Oh look my old roller blades pow.
Use those to get to the interview. Don't forget your
helmet here great call.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Okay, listeners, it's time to go meet two totally extraordinary people.
Down the hall and left and avoid the stairs this
time by using the elevator. Not sure what I didn't
take the elevator before, but you know, you'll have a
new arn. And speaking of warning, we have arrived at
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the room where I have video calls. Today we're meeting
two incredible people. Hi, Roxanne and Stella, can you kick
things off by introducing yourselves.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
My name is Roxanne Gay. I'm a space cowboy and
I'm skidding. My name is Roxanne Gay. I am a writer,
a teacher, and an editor.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
My name is Stella Carolina and I am six years old.
My favorite sing in life is TV.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Hi, Notxane.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Hi, Stella, Stella, what were you hoping to learn from
Roxanne about Claudette Colvin?
Speaker 7 (21:49):
Why do kids learn about Roseparks but not Claudette Colvin.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
That's a great question, Stella. You know there are a
couple of reasons. One, when Claudette Colvin refused to give
up to her seat to a white woman, she was
a teenager and at the time, and quite frankly, even now,
people don't always take kids seriously. So Rosa Parks when
she refused to give up her seat, she was older,
she was a professional, she had, you know, the right
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skin tone, she had the right kind of hair, and
so leaders of the civil rights movement thought that Rosa
Parks might be a better person to represent the entire movement.
But you know that doesn't take away from what Claudette
Colvin did.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
How much has changed with civil rights since Claudet Colvin
were the key.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
When Claudette Colvin first refused to give up her seat
on that bus in Alabama, things were really different. And
we still deal with racism and other forms of bigotry now,
but most of the laws that made it possible for
Claudette Covin to be arrested no longer exist. We no
longer live ideally in a segregated society. Everyone gets to
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live together and share our communities together. We are more
able to point out injustice when we see it. And
I'll tell you what, cell phone cameras have done an
incredible amount of good because now we can provide evidence
of the issues that we deal with, particularly with police
and other sort of forms of public racism that we
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see on a day to day basis. So things are
getting better, but we shouldn't get comfortable because we have
so much left to do, Like how much to do?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
You know?
Speaker 5 (23:29):
I think about that every single day. Every single day
I wonder like, hmm, is this something we're going to
solve in my lifetime? I will say that we have
to continue to fight for civil rights until lawmakers can
no longer decide which rights we're allowed to have and
so right now we have quite a ways left to go,
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but at least we know where we're headed.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Stella, do you have any questions for Roxanne about her
work or career?
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Are you Roxton part of making change now?
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Well, one of the key things I try to do
in my work is to talk about the issues that
I find to be most pressing in ways that everyone
will be able to connect to. And I always try
to bring attention to the people who are taking the
really big risks by protesting and sometimes even having to
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engage with law enforcement and doing some of the really
challenging things that can come along with living the life
of an activist.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
How can I be an activist?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
You know?
Speaker 5 (24:34):
One of the best ways that you can be an activist,
especially at your age, is to pay attention to the
news and ask questions about the world and the people
that we elect as our leaders and the issues that
we should all be caring about.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Wow, does this mean that anyone can be an activist?
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Anyone can be an activist? All you have to do
is care about yourself and other people and the world
that we live in. If you do that, you are
already well on your way to being an activist.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
I already do that, yes see.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
I mean look at you. You're an activist already, and
I think that's amazing. I think more people should be
willing to be an activist because there are a lot
of problems in this world and it's going to take
all of us to solve them.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
This husband so great. Thank you both for being here.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Thank you for answering oh my question.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Well, thank you for asking the questions. It's been just
the highlight of my day talking to you, Stella.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Listeners.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Thanks for joining in today and for going on a
journey with me to learn about the great Claudet Colvin.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
And a giant. Thank you to today's guests Stella and
Rock sand Ge. Remember, parents and teachers.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
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be back next week to make another historical record. Until then,
remember to make history, you gotta make some noise.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Bye.
Speaker 8 (26:14):
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Executive produced by Emir Questlove, Thompson, John Glickman, Lee Overtree
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Theme song by Dan Foster and Eric Gerson and produced
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by Naomi Shaw. Episode artwork by Camilla Franklin. This episode
was written by Duke Doyle. The song Claude at Colvin
was written by Niminiware and produced by Stro Elliott with
additional production by Eric Gerson. Special guests Rock Sande Gay
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and kid interviewer Stella. This episode features performances by Barbara Currin,
Tessa Hirsch, Peter McNerney, Lee Overtree, and Lee Polos. Special
thanks j T.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Sue Ca
Hey, listeners, Niminy here, host of historical records. Get ready
to hear about a historical hero through hip hop. Also,
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Historical Records and now onto the show. After a few
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words for the grown ups, Hello, listeners, it's me Niminy.
I'm here in my top secret underground booker as usual,
I'm with my team of sound engineer raccoons.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Tina, don't be rude, say hello. Now follow me, everyone,
and justin heads up. I walk very quickly. Some say
that the way I walk.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Is nearly running, but we have no time to waste
because today's historical figure is Claude Colvin. Luckily, the conditions
for historical research are perfect. It's a beautiful day inside
my top secret underground. It might even be a beautiful
day outside my top secret underground Bucker. To be honest,
I wouldn't know.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I haven't been outside in a week.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
What, Tuna, that's crazy. You want me to go outside
right now? Why would I do that?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Whow Tina? When you're right? You're right?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Going outside is critical for my mental health. We have
a lot to do, but I should take a quick
moment to look outside and feel the sun on my face. Okay,
I'll just pick out this emergency exit.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
And why did I do that? It Historical record. You
are now listening to historical work.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
To make history, you got to have struggles to make history.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You got to show pois.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Cannot be quiet loud as the right to make history to.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Make some noise.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Listeners, welcome back to Historical Records, where we conduct highly
experimental experiments combining history and hip hop. Today's episode is
about the trailblazing civil rights activist Claw Deck Covin.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Also, I just tripped the alarm.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The alarm has been tripped there maybe and intruder.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
No, no, no, there's no intrudery. It was me. I
cannot take your word.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Worry.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I'll come on disembodied robot boile.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
That night in one minute, or the authorities will be cold.
Oh no, I hate bureaucracy. Also one minute. That's not
a lot of wickle room. And I don't even know
where to turn off the securities and stuff. Tina, what
aren't we gonna do?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Wait? We have a security center I passed yesterday. That
must be where we have to turn this thing off.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
If I'm remembering correctly, it's directly below us, about forty
stories down. Come on, raccoons, we'll take the stairs. Ah,
you're right, we won't get there fast enough. Brilliant idea, Tina.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
We'll jump down the garbage chuot and it'll take us
straight there. Raccoon, you go first. Now to fold myself
in half and fit into the carbet suit. I really
my soft Oh that's nice, Tina? How nice is this? Am? I?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Okay, no time, We got to turn this thing off.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
You have.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
All right, Let's open up the breaker and see what
where were you with? Oh? No, that is a lot
of plugs and wires.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Recommendation the wrong wire?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Not good, Tina. Any ideas I got you? Honey? Mama?
What are you doing here?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Well, sweetie, for one, I thought I help you turn
off the alarm. Trust me, you do not want to
deal with all that paperwork.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You're right about that.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I just got to pull out the right plug.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I did not see this coming, Mama. You sure you
know which one to pull? It's this one, I think.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Shut down? You did it? Now, give me a second.
I gotta boot it back up.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
We don't want any and you just getting in here.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And two days don't stand I can.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
How on the world did you know how to do that?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Honey, I set up the whole security system.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
You did, Yes, you had a lot on your plate
at the time.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Okay, I want to hear way more about that, but
right now I'm running a little behind, and I have
to track down one of my historians. Of course, I'll
see you later, okay, Ma, Bye, Honey.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I'm proud of you. Listeners, keep up with me.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
We're walk running to the library, and while we're on
the move, I need to level with you.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
The good news is that I have a truly sick
be lined up for today.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
The slightly less good news is that I really do
not know much about today's historical figure. I mean, I
know Claudette Covin was a part of the civil rights
movement fighting for equal rights for black people in America,
but obviously I.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Need more than that. And here we are at the
gigantic library. Gosh, I love it in here. So now
we just need to find Lead so she can give
us some historical help. That was a weird echo.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
That sounded nothing like me anyway, Like I was saying
because I don't have enough info right now.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I guess you could say I'm stuck. I'm stuck.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Okay, I can't be the only one hearing that bad
echo that sounds nothing like my voice.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Nimini, I'm not an echo, it's me Lee. I'm trapped
under a giant book.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Whoa look at the giant book.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I'm coming one, two, three.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Woo few Oh that is much better, Lee.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I know you like to bury your head in a book,
but that was a bit much.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
It was actually really informative until the emotional weight of
history and the actual weight of that huge book became
too much. Anyway, are you ready to immerse yourself in history.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
As long as you know what mean trapping ourselves under
that book?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Absolutely well, then step into the history simulator.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Lee, with respect.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I wish the history simulator didn't look like a gooey
alien pod.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I'll consider that feedback for my next simulator.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Okay, where are we heading.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
To see a very brave young woman who refuses to
give up her seat on the bus Claudet Covin.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Wait wait, wait wait, I thought that was Rosa Parks.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Rosa Parks refuse to give up per seat, But Claudette
Colvin did it first.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Well, it's a twist. I had no idea. You know what,
before we go.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Visit Claudette Colvin. Let's bop around a bit. Get the
full context.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Here we go, Lee, Are we on a live TV set?
You bet? We are? Oh cool? Look at those four
dudes in suits.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Those four dudes are the Beatles and this is their
USA debut on the Ex Sullivan Show. There was so
much exciting stuff at this time.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Who you gotta warm me when we're taking off?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Lee? So where are we now? What are all these buttons? Lee?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I We're on a spaceship, not just any spaceship, the
first one to ever land on the moon.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Actually Houston.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
On a second, it seems a weird alien pond just
appeared on our spaceship.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Uh Whoopspeed, gotta go, Niminy. We're taking off to March
twenty fifth, nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
What, Lee, This crowd we're in is huge. There must
be twenty five thousand people, and we appear to be
marching toward that official looking building.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Incredible, guest, Nimini, there are twenty five thousand people and
that building is the Alabama State Capitol in Montgomery.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Hm, why do I feel like we're witnessing one of
the biggest moments.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Of activism in the civil rights movement? Because we are.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You see, four days ago, about three thousand people had
gathered in Selma, Alabama, fifty four miles away and began
the march to the capitol.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
That's a long march.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
And you're saying most of this crowd joined the march
along the way.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
For four days, people came out all along the march route,
dressed in their Sunday best, to sit on their porches
and wave at the marchers, cheering with support and admiration.
And at each town more marchers of all agists joined
the group, waving American flags and making front page headlines
in the newspapers.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
And once this huge crowd gets to the capitol, what
do they do.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
They're going to deliver a petition signed by black voters
demanding an end to discriminatory voting registration practices.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Wait, so you mean to tell me that even though
black people have the right to vote in nineteen sixty four,
some people would still try to stop them from voting.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Exactly, many states would use racist strategies like intentionally confusing
and misleading literacy tests to prevent black voters from successfully registering.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
That's horrible, it.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Was, which is why activists were organizing and fighting to
draw attention to their cause.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
And luckily this march did just that.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
It did, but even that was a struggle. The first
two times they attempted a march to Montgomery, they were
met with violent resistance from Heckler's and state police. Awful
images broadcast on black TVs shocked people in households across
the country, and even motivated the President to provide US
Army troops and the Alabama National Guard to protect the
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marchers on their third attempt.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
It sounds like it took so much organizing and fighting.
Is that Martin Luther King Junior giving a speech?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Indeed it is, Oh, I know this part, oh, and
it gives me chills every time. This is where doctor
King says, I come.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
To say to you this afternoon, however difficult the moment,
however frustrate, in the hour, it will not be long
because truth crust to earth will rise again.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
How long? Not long, because no lie can live forever.
How long? Not long?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Because you shall reap what you sow how long? Not long,
because the arc of the moral universe is long, but
it bends toward justice.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Imy, you really know that speech?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Absolutely, I have the whole thing memorized. But where does
Claudette Covin come into this?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And now did a southern city Liketgomery, Alabama become.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
The center for the civil rights movement?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Phenomenal questions? Let's stay in Montgomery by go back a
little further and take a look.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I know where we are, but I don't know when
we are And why are black and white people drinking
from different wire fountains over there?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
It's nineteen fifty five, ten years before the Voting Rights March,
a time when people were separated by the color of
their skin. This is called segregation, and according to a
set of laws called Jim Crow Laws that have been
around since the end of the Civil War, it's legal.
That's about one hundred years of laws invented to make
life harder for black Americans. There are separate drinking fountains, elevators,
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hospital bathrooms and breakrooms, swimming pools, churches, lunch counters. The
list goes on and.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
On and buses. Black Americans were forced to sit in
the back of buses.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And in Montgomery, forty thousand black residents ride the buses.
That's seventy five percent of the total riders in the city.
And yet they are legally forced to enter through the
overcrowded back door of the bus, sit in the back seats,
and give up their seats for any white passengers who
want to sit down.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
But if we're in nineteen fifty five, didn't the federal
government at least order schools to be integrated in nineteen
fifty four?
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Everyone should be allowed to go to school together. Right, Absolutely,
that's what the law said. But the reality in Montgomery
and almost everywhere in the South is that some white
people were still fighting to keep people apart, and the
schools Black children are forced to attend are almost always
the least funded, with the poorest quality supplies, books, and classrooms.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
How are those kids supposed to learn?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Luckily, there's an organization called the n double ACP, the
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. The branch
here in Montgomery was the first in all of Alabama
and was founded way back in nineteen thirteen.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Cool I know about the NUBLEACP.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Their goal is to educate and organize folks in the
community to fight back against segregation and other types of
discrimination so that black people can get the respect and
opportunities they deserve.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Precisely and recognizing the needs of black children in Montgomery,
the n DOUBLEACP started a youth group and guess who
they put in charge of shaping young minds Rosa Parks.
That's right, And what's really wild is that the thing
Rosa Parks is most famous for was actually done by
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a fifteen year old girl from her youth group, Claude Covin.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Haha, bingo, Wow, it's all coming together. But Lee, why
didn't quant At Covin get to be as famous as
Rosa Parks.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Well, even though she was the first to do it,
the movement knew that she was super young and had
other things going on like being the kid. So the
movement chose to set up Rosa Parks to be nationally
recognized for protesting on a bus.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I truly had no idea about all that behind the
scenes stuff that made the civil rights movement possible.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, even though Rosa Parks famous protests seems spontaneous, everything
was meticulously planned. Same with the March to Montgomery. It
took several tries and a ton of organization.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Thank you, Lee, that was incredibly helpful. I think I
have enough information now for the song. Will you take
us back to my top secret bunker.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
We're back.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Oh, and I'm late for a recording session, but luckily
I brought my skateboard, helmet and he pads and am
ready to roll finally.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Okay, listeners, keep up. We are once again on the move,
right down instead of stairs.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Oh yeah, still got it. And here we are. Oh look,
the musicians are ready to go.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Time to make another epic shining song for the ages,
and this.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Time nemonies on the Mic Claude debt.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
That's my name, Miss Alabama. Born and raised this Montgomery
to be specific. Hope you don't mind these on the
risks zero nine, zero five thirty nine the birth date
of a future leader, civil rights activistic catalyst to be
Montgomery bus Boycott.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Again with me, Montgomery Bus Boycott.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
A lot of people don't know about the juicy tidbit.
Couldn't be the face of the movement because I wasn't
really because of my complexion. I'm never in the press.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Just think I was only fifteen, followed with my routine and.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
A segregatd Teen years after that of curves, I could
have find work, and I moved to.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
New York and you got in to nurse. It began women.
Nine before Rosa, there was Claude Gorman, and it began woman.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Did you know.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I wouldn't give up my seat? Nine months before Rosa,
he was Claude Gorman. Let me start from the beginning.
My dad left Mama's wallet. Was thim mean?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
See, I was born Claude Dad Austin. Then I went
to live with my uncle and my aunt, and that's
how I got the name.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Calvin. Had a little sister e. I was like, oh
this lost her to poly yoga.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I only knows my pain. I was so to yo
logically strange. Looking to Washington High School. I started going
there in nineteen fifty two. I was in the city,
a place I couldn't want to so ride in the
buses what I had to do. It was nineteen fifty five.
I didn't give up my seat. They called the police
and they arrested in me. But I had been learning
that by my ancestry. And then the youth come up
with inaa Steve pay So what said, I know my
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constitutional race.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
There was an empty roberside and he said, this isn't right,
Jim Cross.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
The black kids sent across from the white we always
got to be behind them. And this said, I'm like,
put me off the plus. I didn't fight work bus.
I didn't feel fear because I was young and tough.
To put me in an adult fell with no phone call.
But my friends went to find my mom.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
And it began with me now before there was clad Covin,
And it begin with me, did you know?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Did you know?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I wouldn't give up my seat? Now before.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
One year later, we had brought a versus gil I
was one of five plaintifs talking about how the law
had failed by the bust and we wasn't gonna take
in the federal court. They made that decision the Supreme Court.
They made that decision that the bus segregation was against
the constitution.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And they ended up permanent lead. And it began with me,
Nina before there was Clade Corvin. And it begin with me,
did you know, didn't know?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I wouldn't give up?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
That's my name, this Alabama born people minds Again with me, Oh,
I almost forgot.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
The city of Montgomery, Alabama, declared, Mark second Claudette Colvin day.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
We'll be right back after a few words for the
grown ups. Wow, that was incredible, and while.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
The circumstances couldn't be more different, it's really got me
thinking about my own life.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Funny how history can inform the present. Hot listeners. Hey, Danna,
do you know where my mom is? Ah? Of course,
the personal history room. Where else would she be?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yes, Tina, I know we have an interview lined up
in five minutes, but I've got to do something first.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Now do you mind if I borrow your scooter? Thanks? Tina? Right?
What apo set of sticks?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah? Still good? And here we are. Hi mom, Hey, sweetheart,
what you're doing in here?
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Just looking at old pictures?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Look at this one? Oh it's me as a teenager.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Honey, that's a picture of me.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Wow, we really do look alike. Huh strong jeans baby.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Anyway, Mama, I wanted to ask more about you setting
up the security system.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I still can't believe you did that.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Well, get in a top secret bunker up and running
is no small test, and I was thrilled to be
able to pitch in, so I pulled some permits, get
the security system Paratina and the other raccoons and tell
them how to use all the sound equipment.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Just some behind the scene details. You low key paved
the way for my dream.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
You're not the first person in this family to love
history and hip hop, and I thought your idea to
combine them was genius.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I had no idea. You did so much to make
this happen.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
In my experience, whenever something big happens, it takes a
lot of people to pull it off.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I'm learning that, yeah, and not everyone can be the
face of a movement. Some people have to set up
the security system.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Thanks Mom, I love you and I really appreciate your support.
I love you too. Oh look my old roller blades pow.
Use those to get to the interview. Don't forget your
helmet here great call.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Okay, listeners, it's time to go meet two totally extraordinary people.
Down the hall and left and avoid the stairs this
time by using the elevator. Not sure what I didn't
take the elevator before, but you know, you'll have a
new arn. And speaking of warning, we have arrived at
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the room where I have video calls. Today we're meeting
two incredible people. Hi, Roxanne and Stella, can you kick
things off by introducing yourselves.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
My name is Roxanne Gay. I'm a space cowboy and
I'm skidding. My name is Roxanne Gay. I am a writer,
a teacher, and an editor.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
My name is Stella Carolina and I am six years old.
My favorite sing in life is TV.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Hi, Notxane.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Hi, Stella, Stella, what were you hoping to learn from
Roxanne about Claudette Colvin?
Speaker 7 (21:49):
Why do kids learn about Roseparks but not Claudette Colvin.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
That's a great question, Stella. You know there are a
couple of reasons. One, when Claudette Colvin refused to give
up to her seat to a white woman, she was
a teenager and at the time, and quite frankly, even now,
people don't always take kids seriously. So Rosa Parks when
she refused to give up her seat, she was older,
she was a professional, she had, you know, the right
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skin tone, she had the right kind of hair, and
so leaders of the civil rights movement thought that Rosa
Parks might be a better person to represent the entire movement.
But you know that doesn't take away from what Claudette
Colvin did.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
How much has changed with civil rights since Claudet Colvin
were the key.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
When Claudette Colvin first refused to give up her seat
on that bus in Alabama, things were really different. And
we still deal with racism and other forms of bigotry now,
but most of the laws that made it possible for
Claudette Covin to be arrested no longer exist. We no
longer live ideally in a segregated society. Everyone gets to
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live together and share our communities together. We are more
able to point out injustice when we see it. And
I'll tell you what, cell phone cameras have done an
incredible amount of good because now we can provide evidence
of the issues that we deal with, particularly with police
and other sort of forms of public racism that we
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see on a day to day basis. So things are
getting better, but we shouldn't get comfortable because we have
so much left to do, Like how much to do?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
You know?
Speaker 5 (23:29):
I think about that every single day. Every single day
I wonder like, hmm, is this something we're going to
solve in my lifetime? I will say that we have
to continue to fight for civil rights until lawmakers can
no longer decide which rights we're allowed to have and
so right now we have quite a ways left to go,
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but at least we know where we're headed.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Stella, do you have any questions for Roxanne about her
work or career?
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Are you Roxton part of making change now?
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Well, one of the key things I try to do
in my work is to talk about the issues that
I find to be most pressing in ways that everyone
will be able to connect to. And I always try
to bring attention to the people who are taking the
really big risks by protesting and sometimes even having to
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engage with law enforcement and doing some of the really
challenging things that can come along with living the life
of an activist.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
How can I be an activist?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
You know?
Speaker 5 (24:34):
One of the best ways that you can be an activist,
especially at your age, is to pay attention to the
news and ask questions about the world and the people
that we elect as our leaders and the issues that
we should all be caring about.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Wow, does this mean that anyone can be an activist?
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Anyone can be an activist? All you have to do
is care about yourself and other people and the world
that we live in. If you do that, you are
already well on your way to being an activist.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
I already do that, yes see.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
I mean look at you. You're an activist already, and
I think that's amazing. I think more people should be
willing to be an activist because there are a lot
of problems in this world and it's going to take
all of us to solve them.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
This husband so great. Thank you both for being here.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Thank you for answering oh my question.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Well, thank you for asking the questions. It's been just
the highlight of my day talking to you, Stella.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Listeners.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Thanks for joining in today and for going on a
journey with me to learn about the great Claudet Colvin.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
And a giant. Thank you to today's guests Stella and
Rock sand Ge. Remember, parents and teachers.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
You can download a free activity related to today's episode
by visiting story pirates dot com slash Historical Records. We'll
be back next week to make another historical record. Until then,
remember to make history, you gotta make some noise.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Bye.
Speaker 8 (26:14):
Historical Records is produced in partnership with story Pirate Studios,
Questlove's two one five Entertainment, John Glickman and iHeart Podcasts.
Executive produced by Emir Questlove, Thompson, John Glickman, Lee Overtree
and Benjamin Salka. Executive produced for iHeart Podcasts by Noel Brown.
(26:35):
Producers for Story Pirate Studios are Isabella Riccio, Sambart, Eric Gerson,
Andrew Miller, Lee Overtree, Peter McNerney and niminy Ware. Producers
for two one five are Sean G. Britney, Benjamin and
Sarah Zolman. Hosted by niminy Ware. Our head writer is
Duke Doyle. Our historians are Gabe Pacheco and Lee Polus.
(26:57):
Music supervision for two one five by Stroe Ellie. Scoring
and music supervision for Story Pired Studios by Eric Erson.
Sound designed and mixing by Sam Bear at the Relic
Room in New York City. Song mastering by Josh Hahn.
Theme song by Dan Foster and Eric Gerson and produced
by Eric Erson. Production coordination by Isabelle Riccio. Production management
(27:19):
by Maggie Lee. The line producer for Story Pired Studios
is Glennis Brawlt. Pr for Story Pired Studios is provided
by Naomi Shaw. Episode artwork by Camilla Franklin. This episode
was written by Duke Doyle. The song Claude at Colvin
was written by Niminiware and produced by Stro Elliott with
additional production by Eric Gerson. Special guests Rock Sande Gay
(27:42):
and kid interviewer Stella. This episode features performances by Barbara Currin,
Tessa Hirsch, Peter McNerney, Lee Overtree, and Lee Polos. Special
thanks j T.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
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