Hobson's Choice Podcast: Anthony Muñoz

In the latest edition of the Hobson's Choice Podcast, Bengals.com Senior Writer Geoff Hobson speaks with Hall of Famer Anthony Muñoz.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to another to the first edition of Hobson's Choice,
where we're focusing on the members of the nineteen eighty
eight AFC Championship Bengals. And there's only one guy that
we could start with, the Hall of Fame left tackle
Anthony Munos and what Jane what Jim McNally called him

(00:21):
in nineteen ninety in nineteen eighty and nineteen ninety two
still still stands the best that ever lived. Anthony Muno's
Welcome to Hobson's Choice podcast. Yeah, thanks for having me on.
I appreciate it. We're talking about nineteen eighty eight and
add offensive line boomers. Siason will always say that offensive

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line was was the heart of the team. Uh Muno's
at left tackle, Um Rhymers, A Rhymers at left guard, Kauzerski,
It's center, the right, the right tackle was the great
show Walter the right guard, the best guard in Bengals history,
Max Montoya. I mean it was a a special crew.

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I'll tell you what it's um not only a special
group on the field, but I know some great guys
off the field. I mean some great personalities. I mean
I used that offensive larn a lot when I when
I speak, and I talked about, you know, diversity leadership.
I mean we had some great players. We had, you
know Joe you mentioned Joe Walter probably playing as well

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as any tackle in the league that year until he
got hurt. M Max Montoya one of the best guards
I've ever watched. Uh you know, to me, he belongs
right up there with the guards. Randall McDaniel, you know,
Joe Delamalier, all those guys in Canton, Ohio. You got
Bruce Reimers, a big, big old guy, tough guy from
Maya was of course Bruce Conzerski was our brainchild right

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there in the middle, you know, from holy Cross, you know,
graduate holy Cross. But it was it was a group
of guys that cared about when he but cared about
working hard and improving film. Then you look at all
the other than myself being a number one pick, you know,
all the other guys were you know, lower round picks,
and you know what to help with Jim McNally and

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the desire and the and the grid of all the guys.
I mean, he worked extremely hard to beat some of
the best guys in the league. And I'll tell you
what we had. We had enrolling I mean the Running game.
I mean, if you go back and you look at
eighty eight, all the big games, any game, the Running
Game just dominated. I mean one hundred and fifty yards,

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one hundred and eighty yards, A lot of games two
hundred yards. I mean, Boomer, God love him. He deserved
the MVP. He should have had it because he was
probably the best leader I've ever I've ever been around
any sport anywhere. Um, And but he he was a guy.
Um he did not make mistakes. He made sure that

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the running game was going and he worked everything off
at end well. And that's the thing. I mean, when
you have an MVP, I think you have to, you know,
take into consideration all aspects of the game. And to me,
one of the smartest guys you'd ever find, I mean,
one of the most well prepared guys, most passionate guy,
the most competitive and like you said, leadership over the top.
I mean, the guy was amazing. You knew right away

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the young quarterback when he took over, it was his offense.
He was going to run it and run it effectively.
And that's the thing when you have a quarterback that's
as smart as he is, and you know he has
studying the game planet. It holds you accountable and you
better be ready to come Sunday. But you're right, I mean,
you know, to be able to get us in and
out of different situations. And when you have a guy

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like you know, Ikey Woods and James Brooks, and I mean,
you know, we taught the offensive linement and we had
a tight end who could go down to build against
the ball with most most wide receivers but blockback an
offenisive linement on Rodney moment because the guy was phenomenal.
So you know, you take the interior line and the
running backs and the Boomer. I mean, I'm not to

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this day, I've not seen a quarterback that play action
faced as well as Boomer does and does it as consistently.
It didn't matter if he was handing the ball off
or playing with me, you couldn't tell. I mean, so
the guy was just simply amazing. And that Boomer I
would imagine put you in situations where you could run
the ball right where it was, having changes to run

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the ball. You're right, I mean, that's and that's what
made him so impressive is that you know, we'd come
up to the line of scrimmin and he knew exactly
when to keep us in different situations and when to
get us out right away. It wasn't like he had
to spend a lot of time. I mean, as soon
as he saw things, he would put us in in situations.
But yeah, that would allow us to be successful running

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the football. And I mean if X men could pass
the ball, then fine. But um, yeah, you're right. He
knew things so well that he could put you in
and out of stuff and put you in a position
to sixteen. What made what made it? What what made
that line go? Well, it had to be a combination

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the scheme, the coach. How would you describe the scheme.
I mean it was it was a lot. It was
a little bit of everything, right, but it was kind
of based on inside outside zone right. Well, yeah, it
was a little bit. You know, I think it was
a combination everything you talked about. You know, you had
you had a technically sound line coach who knew how
to push your buttons, knew how to get you going,

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um strategically, I mean the guy was, you know, working
with Sam and causing on the offensive games. I mean,
he could scheme the runs against any defense. So you
had the excellence game running the football. Of course we
had an excellent pass these games, you had the technique
and the confidence in the technique, and then you had
five guys that were, like I said earlier, we're just

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busting their channel to get better. And uh, you know,
we complained. I like you know, anybody that plays the
game complains. But when it was time to strapping up,
button up the chin strap, we worked. And that it
was a fun thing about the group is that you
know we had like you said, we had the inside
the outside zone. We could right uh run the twenty
eight boss with Max leading the way around the corner

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with JB. We had you know, counter here and there,
We had a trap here and there. But it was
mainly the inside and outside zone that we just kept pounded.
Our front famous phrase was one more time, one more time.
And if you're you know, if you were getting five, six, seven,
eight yards to run, why not keep it going. But
we had a good mixture of other plays, but our
bread and butter, I say, I would say it would

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be the inside and outside zone. Well, the cutting edge,
I guess it was Jimmy. Jimmy was doing things that
really were kind of you know, like like he said,
you guys were doing. You guys were a little bit
ahead of that. That zone stuff was a little bit
ahead of the defense, wasn't it. It really was. You know,
it's amazing because you know, you talk about West Coast offense,
and of course the forty Niners did all the credit.
But as we know, Bill Walsh started it here in Cincinnati.

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All the quarterbacks that played for Bill Walsh, but Kenny
Anderson to learn how to run the West Coast office.
There blocking scheme, you know, Jim McNally, Howard mud you know,
started you know as part of the country. Of course,
all of a sudden the gurus become, you know, Mike
Shanahan and Alex give because you know, the throne goes
when you know, a couple of Super Bowls with it.
But man, I'll tell you what the twigs and the

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adjustments and the things Jim McNally did for our offense
was just like, I mean, I love that. You know, people,
you know, when they've talked about the zone blocking scheme
and the fucking stuff, they happy you can get off
the ball. There's such a misperception of the zone blocking scheme.
To me, what better way to run it than to
be able to get off the football and just totally

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blow off because you've got guys coming with you and
you're on a track. So if that defensive linement just
happens to be in your track, you have all the momentum.
So that was it was an exciting offense. And we
throw in a you know, a trap here and there
counter here in their power just to kind of keep
them off off balance. But and then like I said earlier,
we could bring win that run that twenty eight boss,

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and that's gave me were max pool and let up
on a little defensive back. So there's a good diverse offense.
Of course, the passing game, the regular passing game, along
with the play action just made it that much better.
You know, June, you know, McNally says, he says, you know,
he can't write a story about this offensive line without
talking about Ikey Woods and James Brooks. Um. Those were guys,

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you they were they were really in tune with what
you guys were doing. I mean it was you know,
they couldn't tip their hand right they had they couldn't cut,
they couldn't get the ball and uh and run two
steps and cut they had they they they had to
go on track right exactly. The whole premise of that
offense is the running back taking the ball to the

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original deals of the offensive linement. So it was patient,
It was discipline and their visions, not only the physical
ability to cut the move, but their vision, you know,
knowing exactly where to go we're not to go. You know,
if I'm if I'm running to the right side, do
I keep it right or because of the defensive line
playing our old life, but do I take it you

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back to the center and back to the left guard,
all the way back to the left back. You know,
Ikey Would being a rookie that year, and with JB
I mean, the combination of those two was amazing. You
had power and you know, pretty good speed with Ikey
and then you know, people think James Brooks are smaller
bags step back, but he hadn't quite a bit of
power couper for his size. So you're right, you can't

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talk about this offense without talking about Icky Would and
James brook Yeah, it was interesting. You know, I think
I think Ikey had his coming out against the Jets
in the sixth game of the year. But reading quotes
from the stories that day, I think you were talking
about how well we knew about this guy, you know,
because he was right away he was doing like short

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yards and training camp and stuff like that, and and
and goal line stuff. So you guys knew that he
was a pretty good talent even before he went out there.
We really did. I mean you could tell just how
hard he ran, I mean brains and his power, but
his ability. You know, he had pretty good quickness, so
I mean you can feel that right away even when
he first get to camp and you know when you're

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i mean you're going full speed as we did in camp,
but you can feel the guys running and you know
and hitting people and and so yeah, we knew as
an offensive line right away. It was kind of like
when the heck of this guy, Man, he's I think
he's the real deal. So yeah, it was you know,
like you said, he might have had his coming out
game against the Jets week six, but we knew that
the guy was special. He seemed to get better. I

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mean the more he played, the seemed like the better
he guy. He got more in Twoune with you guys,
he really did, and I think you know, he got
a lot more comfortable in the offense. Uh, you know
Jim Anderson. But you got to talk about Jim Anderson too,
that the running backs coach who was there forever. You know,
he was working with Dickie and JB. And you know,
had a great dead grasp of the offense. So it
helps when you have talented players. But it also it's

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even better when you have a coach that totally understand
and can really relate and coach guys. I think, you know,
it's one thing to be able to coach guys. When
you relate to guys and coach guy, that makes an
extra special. And he was a big guy, and he
could cut on a dime, and uh, you know he's
kind of right out of the PB mold, you know,
the guy, you know, the right out of the Merry

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and Motley Jim Brown stuff. You know. Well, I'll tell
you what was about two thirty five to forty maybe
on the light day. Yeah, he did. I mean, like
I said, you can just do it powers. You know,
the type of offense we ran a lot of times.
You know, you get upset because well they're running right,
let's run left. Why don't you run left? But you know,
as you know those plays he could cut it back
and the parting box would be the backs fact cut up.

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And there's a lot of times where I would actually
be between Ikey and the defensive end and he would
just sprint environment. It felt like a locomotive motive going
by with power and the Yankey shuffle. You you you
remember it the first time, You remember how it you know,
what was your reaction to all that? But you know,
I wasn't a big celebration to happen. Mean, I've done

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pretty cool to see a rookie. You get excited, and
he got other teammates excited, and then you know, of
course they kind of banded from the field, so they
kind of you know, took it a step further and
got some of the defensive guys, you know, dancing with
the sideline. But I liked it because every time you
get Decker shuffle and then we were just scoring a touchdown.
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well, I mean you were kind of
a you know, I see, he was an old school guy.

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I can't imagine it was a dancer. You know, I'm
not much of a dancer. You know, I just uh,
although you know, these days, I kind of like I
don't like it. I didn't like the individual dancing, but
I gotta admit when they started doing this team celebration
and choreograph it, I like it better because you get
the whole team involved. Maybe that's why I'm so old school.

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I liked team but now they're But yeah, back then,
when you know Hicky started, it wasn't anything that was
you know, crazy. It was just, you know, a couple
of steps here, a couple of steps there, slamming the
ball that you're you're done. I mean, you know, so
it wasn't like where the old guys say, hey, cooler kid,
or anything like that. Like I said, we were rolling, man,
in the excitement of when you start rolling, you're winning

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football games and you start out pretty hot. I think that, uh,
you know, you can tolerate that. And like I said,
it wasn't something that was over the top. It was just, uh,
you know, a quick symple steps and and done. Did
you ever do it? Did you ever do ithout? You
on me breaking my ankle? I don't have that rhythm.
I gotta admit I'm trying a couple of times just

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about myself, you know, my old house. But too too.
I think two great mat two matchups. You're in the
Great Bruce Smith that year, two Hall of famers going
at it, the Great Bill's pass rusher and you, uh
you you came on out on top both times. But
uh probably street fights. Right, I'll tell you what you

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know you're talking about. You just asked me about Dicky
when he first got in there, and you could tell
you a special well, you know, I believe eighty five.
I think bruceus rookie, right, I think he said you
could tell. I mean, he was much bigger. You could
tell that he wasn't in the great shape yet, which
you could just see that the guy was very, very talented.
I mean, you know, for I think he might have

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been like in his mid eighties to eighty five or
something when he first started and the he got down
that which was big, right, that was big for them, right. Yeah,
you could see the athleticism in the strains that. Yeah.
It was that you had to be ready. I mean
that was you had to be ready every sun in
the NFL. But you knew when you played against Bruce
Ben it was like you had to have your A
plus game, not just your A game, which your A

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plus game every time. You know, you guys, big game. No,
remember twenty seventh, eighty eight, the Bills come there, come
the riverfront. It's basically playing for home field, really, um
and uh, you know you guys just run them out
of the building. Well, you know that was a great
thing about it. We talked about the running game and
that happened and uh and then you know, also in

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the AFC Championship, we you know, lined up the double
tights and just kind of pounded there. Why even you know,
putting the ball up and uh, you know, have a
chance to get it picked off, but just run the football.
But you're right that that one that regularly. The game
we just pounded in, of course is an offensive linement.
When she started, you know, pounded somebody, you kind of

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see the air started kind of getting out of the balloon.
And that's what happened, and we were able to do
that effectively. Well, I guess you would rather run block
against Bruceton pass block when you exactly in fact, you know,
the whole plan was run right at him. I mean,
he's so athletic. You don't want to run away from
the heaven field. You catch things from behind. So we

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just went pounded right at him and to take our chance,
you know, trying to wear him out and h and
go right at him. So you're right to be h.
I think it's a much better afternoon if you run
the ball thirty forty times right at him and he
got he he got nicked up a little early. Right
in the AFC title game. You guys weren't right the
same game plan, same game plan. I mean, I think
he was probably was probably worn down. Well. I think

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that game we did run over two hundred yards. I
remember just running up every time, which was rare because
I rarely had a tight endectically. But that game we
lined up in double so I had double tide side
and tied the next every time, and it was just
run the ball. So yeah, we we pounded it. And
I don't remember the exactly, but I believe we went
over two hundreds. You never had help in pass pro right,

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you you never had a guy chipping right, you know what.
The only help at times was I could we lived
a line that way, I could be a little more aggressive.
But there was times where you know, we had planned
a chip for planing. I just never liked that. I'd
rather if I was gonna get beat let me give
beat by myself, because sometimes you have running back Chip
the guy you might overstat he hits him inside, he
goes inside. But I'd said the majority of the time

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it was just like just one on one and I
guess you know you had a big opponent the last
game of the regular season, game of the year, that
was trying to secure a home field advantage against Washington. Yeah,
that was I mean every time. We didn't played Washington
very often, but they were always tough about defensively. Yeah,

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I mean they you know, they had big Dave Buds
and Charles man Extra Manley had some pretty good linebackers, right,
and so it was one of those big NFC the
defenses you know, like the Eagles and the Giants and
the Cowboy Billy had big linebackers, you know, really long
dechens events, pretty big. So yeah, the Redskins that we
knew that was a challenge. I mean is that you know,

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we wanted to get home to the advantage. We'd have
to come out with the wind, which we did, but
it was a tough one. Yeah. What do you think
when did you think low Miller was gonna make that?
What do you think with low Merrill said, Jimmy Breach
said he thought because of the wind, he had a
feeling he'd missed. Well, I mean, you know that's the kicker.
You got to talk to kickers about that. I was
just hoping the advanses them and it worked out. But uh,

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you know those are Jim Breach, you tied. You talked
him about Dolphin. He said the same. I just tried
to hit the bottom and take the wind in the
right direction. One game that sticks, one game that stands
out from that season, well, I guess the Super Bowl obviously,
I guess. Uh um, but uh, you know he came

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so close. Um, yeah, it was. It was really fun.
I think the one game other than that was when
we went up and I believe we went up to
New England six and oh yeah and uh and lost
up to that game. That was that was pretty deflating,
but you know we were able to bounce back. Yeah,
we're on a pretty good role and I really thought
we were a much better football team than them, and uh,

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you know, we didn't get it done. But you're right
in the Super Bowl was you know, because that's the
last game. I mean, we had a chance to get
there again, and you know, Uh, we taught three minutes left,
they got to go ninety two yards. I thought our
chances were pretty good. And so yeah, that was. That
was pretty devastating to after losing that was, especially after
losing them to them the second time. Yeah, I know,

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PB said. The big surprise of him there was that
h didn't score a touchdown from scrimmach. The only touchdown
was Stanford's kick return. That was you know, you got
to get the forty nine ers credit. They had a
great defensive game plan. Yeah, I mean they were planned
and you know, pension and moving and they weren't really
staying in front of you. And then you know, so

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they realized with the line we had, they weren't as
big as us, so they had to move around. Yeah,
and that you're right to not score a touchdown offense.
So that was really not good at all. I mean,
we we didn't help ourselves. Yeah, Stanley, and of course
not having Stanley Wilson, the fullback who had obviously the

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h had a drug problem the night before the game. Um,
not having him, I mean he might have been an
effective guy against that defense. Well, you know, we've been
talking a lot about our offense and the running game
with you know, with Dickie and JB. Stanley Wilson was
unbelievable himself. I know, you got suspended during the season
and then he had the episode the night before the

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Super Bowl. The guy was an amazing running back. I
mean he was he was right up there with those
other shop but he just had the drug pumps and
and that you know, that eliminated a pretty big weapon
for US game day with not having Stanley. But yeah,
well those are the things you gotta you know, your
face with adversity, you know, dropped the season during games
and that was just another one that you have overcome

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and we didn't. We didn't overcome that one. Did that
affect you, guys mentally? Did that affect you more physically
and mentally? Definitely? I would say more mentally. And many
times you have a teammate who you're just like family,
and you know, i'd tell people Stanley Wilson was probably
one of the most charismatic individuals that I ever played with.
I mean, the guy was walking in the room and

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just light it up. And to have that happen once
again and to that magnitude, you know, you're talking about
life now you're not you know, sports and sportsman, when
you're talking about somebody's life. That's what it was like
a bomb was dropped on us the night before the game,
because you know, you hated to see that he was
a big part of the team, and you realize that

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he still hadn't gotten over that Bombum, so yeah, I'd
say it more mental than physical. Well, just a quick
scar report on your linemates. Of the most poignant memories
it's twenty years since you went to the hall, was
how you called on all those guys and asked him
to stand up, you know, and uh, I thought that
was a great moment. Clip Scott quick, Quick, Scott quick

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clip Scott report on go go starting from right next
to you across the line. I guess we you know
with Rhymers, you know, just a quick maybe one sentence
on each guy, big tough and just never got faded
by anything, because Hersky personal smart, Montoya just tough, just

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just ruthless and tough on the doctor on the field,
not totally different. And Joe hard worker. Yeah, um just
busted his tail plant at a pro bowl level. Right
when he get hurt, oh he was, he really was
get hurt in the final game, get hurt in the
Joe Walter got hurt in the final game. About the

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Hill final game, I mean, he was a guy that
you know, they'd basically drafted. I think Blado's number one
to replace Mike Wilson and h and Joe Walter said,
I'm not gonna take any of that. I'm gonna earn
this job. And he took it. Yeah. I mean, uh,
he got that job and hard work and developing and
I mean, you know, because he came in from Texas

(22:21):
tackle round pick and just worked himself into that. But
you're right, he was playing in the Pro Bowl level.
Something about that crew, Anthony, I think everybody but Bruce Rhymers,
I think he's stayed around here. I think Brian Blados,
who is the sixth man, he's still around and h
everybody but Bruce is here. You're right, they're all still
in town, of course, cause three of them are down

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in northern Kentucky. I don't we try to find Blatos.
I think he's in Last Chester somewhere Liberty Council, but
I don't know that Middletown. He rarely comes out though,
And I saw his name on the list for opening
game so hopefully he'll be there and of course with
Bruce Rymers gonna be in town. So fun to get
everybody together. But yeah, we all stayed in town, met

(23:03):
Nandy home. Yeah. I mean, I think that's kind of
the way that line. You know, you talk about how
about how what kind of guys were on that line,
and I think that that's what it was. You know,
I think that kind of says something about their character,
a little bit of you know, they were they were
homegrown guys, you know, community guys, and we really built
a special bonding me. You know, we we talked about camp,

(23:25):
we talked about the season, but you know, one of
the things that we talked a lot about is, you know,
on Monday after a game, we would do our weightlifting,
we would do our you know, our watching the tape
and getting graded and stuff, and then we go outdoors
and when everybody was shower and leap, we would have
our fatman football game. We would all stay that from
a good hour hour and a half and play our

(23:46):
football game. And that, you know, that was our way
of you know, even bonding more. And you know, so
that was fun. You know, sometimes we did a little
who football, but most of the time, it was our
we called it our Fatman Football Game. We were trying
to talk, we're trying to think about this, talking to
McNally and uh Frank Polk about this and Dave Lampham
naming some of it. You know, some of the greatest
offensive lines of all time, and every franchise have them.

(24:10):
You know, every franchise is going to say that there's was,
you know, the best in an era. But you know
the Packers in the sixties, uh, Cordinals and all that.
There you go, Yeah, but the Hogs of the Night
of the eighties to get the guys and otto, yeah,

(24:33):
right right, and and and do you ever think about
where where do you guys fit in the scheme of things?
You among the best one? I would say, yes, you
know what happens a lot of times. Um, there's like
quarterbacks were legitimized because of the the Super Bowl ring. I think,
I think, to me, that is overplayed. I think, you know,

(24:55):
because we didn't win a Super Bowl, maybe we don't
get mentioned with the Hogs or the the Raiders or
the you know, the Packers because we didn't win. But
I still think we're up there. I mean, you know,
I've had a chance to watch all the lines we
just talked about, and the guy that I've played with
is uh. I think we're right up there. You know,
Max is A is a Hall of Fame candidate. Uh,

(25:18):
Joe was near a Pro Bowl level guy. You know,
guys like Kazerski and Rhymers don't get a hell of
a lot of ink. But you know, I don't know.
You know, they probably weren't at the top of the
they weren't at the top of their position. But for
that team, you know, for your team and what they
were asked to do, you know, they were they fit exactly.

(25:38):
You know, if you if you find a smarter center around,
I don't know, if you find a tougher guy at
left guard, I don't know. I mean Rhymers was like, uh, yeah,
he could have been banged devil, but you would have
never known. He was out there practice, he was out
there during the game, and he was just, uh, you know,
just one of the toughest guys I've ever been around.

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It's been a big month for you, Anthony twenty. On
August first was the twentieth anniversary of h You're going
into Canton the Hall of Fame, and then on August nineteenth,
your sixtieth birthday. Happy, Happy birthday. And then we're you're
calling the you're calling the Bengals preseason game the finale,
um or you will call it, uh. And then we

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go right into the thirtieth celebration of that eighty eighteen
uh on you know, uh. You guys will gather for
the home opener on September thirteenth against the Ravens. So
it's been a big it's been a big month for you.
Well you mentioned a very important thing too April twenty
seconds earlier in the year in our fortye twenty n anniversary.
So it's been a huge year year. But you're right,

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it's gonna it's gonna be a nice way to top
top with, you know, that Thursday night celebration of the
eighty eight team and to be able to see all
the guys that are here but a lot of guys
that are coming back into town of that between a
long time. That's gonna be a nice, nice way to
to cap things. This should have been a very special year.
How's the foundation going, Anthony? I mean, I know you're

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always doing great. I was in the office today. We
continue to plan and move forward events that we got
going on. You know, this actually the opening night the
Thursday to six, we have our September six, we have
our second annual Top Topped Off Tail Game where we
you know, we'll be there to raise somebody for the

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for the Foundation. And then we got some other events
coming up we still have this year. We have our
big leadership seminar coming up in October. We have another
camp coming up in early December, Touch Your Character, Touch
Your Touch Your Character Camp. Right, that's right. We have
two of those with the Foundation here in town. They're
unlike the ones we do across the league. These are overnight,

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so we'll have about one hundred and twenty young men
for three days at Canampuschatagua. Uh. You know, we already
did win earlier this year. But in our leadership seminar,
we have about one hundred high schools that day along
leadership seminars. So things are going well. We're you know,
we're working hard to bring on new partner's new money.
Uh you know, with our budget, we get a chance

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to really impact a lot of kids. So it's just
a passion of mine. I keep doing it how many
more years? I don't know how many more years, but
it's still keeps bandergized and still he's been going well.
I think it's gonna be one of those things that
probably out lash Anthony. I hope too. I with out
long gone that the Foundation is still impacted a lot
of young men and women community. I think that's gonna

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be a lot you get, Michael, your son has moved
into a position at the Hall of Fame, which is terrific.
He's the I know he's um basically doing he's basically
doing the work at the Foundation for the for the
for the Hall of Fame, and you know that that
type of work, you know he has the last five
years we've worked together and he's worked at the Foundation.
We worked nashally, but he's the vice president of youth

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football in character development. That's basically what we've been doing
together the Foundation and around the league. It's a it's
a it's a great story. It's a great work you've done.
You've just done great work. Cincinnati's so lucky to have you,
and it's uh um, it's a great time to sit
back and celebrate one of the stories of nineteen eighty eight.

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We we thank you for stopping by and chatting and reminiscing.
It's always great to talk to the to the greatest way.
You know what I keep forgetting to ask you about
the right stuff. You're one movie shot My Name is
yeah my uh actually that was my big movie debut,

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And I didn't realize how big the movie was until
I was actually on the set, and you know, the
group is going crazy about my another one of their movies, right,
and then all of a sudden this comes out, and
I'm thinking, oh, my goodness is pretty big. But yeah,
you were, you were you were basically oh you you
you played an orderly as I was an orderly at
the hospital when they were going through all the crazy

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testing and get all the tough tests and think to
a potential astronauts through And of course the John Glenn
you know, was there, and Harris and you know all
those dead Dennis clad so you met John Clenn. So
so John Glenn was there, Scot Glen okay, right, yeah, yeah,

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and Harris and all the guys that played the astronaut
right and every morning in a band from the Hotel,
the original seven, the original seven, who I actually think
that was built. The comedian was Bill Dana, who I
think um was the guy who said, um, he was.
My name is Jose Jimenez. He was, he was, he was,

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he was an astronaut, he was And uh yeah, I
think the Valley Shepherd that did that right, right and
actually can and then that's right. And then actually I
think on the real tape you can hear the liftoff
and you can hear Shepherd, and you can hear Dike
Slayton Saint a Shepherd. You're on your hey, Jose, I
think that's great. A fat experience that had a camp

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to meet Check Yeager and Sam Elliot to play them
and have gold bloom. Of course, we we caped all
of ours films, all our stuff, and a hospital in
San Francisco. They did all the you know, the flight
stuff down in the desert, but they came up before
they headed down, had a chance to meet them. But yeah,
it was a it was a good experience. So it's fun.
So yeah, still get those twenty five thirty dollars redigital

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checks now and then when they show the right stuff,
you know, movie channels and so on and so forth.
So it's it's fun to get those checks now and
then