November 26, 2025 • 56 mins
Prop's sits down with long time friend Glen, who started the Beleaf in Fatherhood YouTube channel and has recently dropped a book titled Father Yourself First.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
As media. All right, y'all, welcome the hood politics for
prop I'm gonna bite the homie who's on the scene
right now. Welcome black y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
This is a longtime friend. This is we always try
to do something special for the holidays, something either either
a rerun or something that's not so like punch you
in the gut the world is dying type episode, you know.
So this is I I don't I do book recommendations,
(00:48):
but I don't ever interview the authors. Like it'd be
books that I'm truly actually reading, you know, like not
like oh, I mean you have you have a platform
I got do like will send you stuff all the time.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, and even for for like endorsements like to you know,
to put on the back of the thing. Like I listen, y'all,
I don't be reading them things.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It'd be like if I know the person, I'm like,
I trust them, like I trust you. I know this person,
I trust him. That's a good dude work. Yeah, you
know what I'm saying. This one I read man, I
read this mug. But anyway, ladies and gentlemen, do people
know your they know your birth name, Yeah, they know me. Yeah,
(01:34):
the homie Glenn belief, which is what I met him
as of the amazing YouTube and so much more network
belief in fatherhood. What's up, homeboy?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Thank you so much for having me, Bro.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I miss you. I love seeing you. I'm proud of you.
I'm so glad we have this little moment. I gotta
come up. I want to come up to you to
see the house and you know, you know, smell the
incense or whatever you got going on up in there.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
It's like it's literally right here. It's like you already knew.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I already knew it was up.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
But man, I'm grateful that man, you would have me
on here. Man, I know, we got a lot to
talk about because we never did this before.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So for so many years, like yeah, y'all, so to
catch y'all up, I've known belief in multiple iterations of
who he is as a artist, as a friend, as
a group member, as a tour made and then into
what he's become now. And one thing I do do
(02:41):
on this show a lot of times is like I
it's it's very important that like, again, the premise of
the show is like, if you understand hood, you understand
city living, you understand politics, you understand it better than
you think you do, you actually already living it, and
you actually carry more power and authority than the said
auticians on the screen. And so I always try to
(03:04):
bring in people that I'm like, this is what I mean, Like,
this is real power, this is real authority, this is
real influence. You know what I'm saying, And it's authentic
to who they are, whether they black or brown or
just just city folks, you know what I mean. And
I don't know too many people that embody this like
Belief does. So y'all may know him from his fatherhood stuff.
(03:30):
This freakishly just insanely successful, powerful, funny, well made YouTube
channel called Belief in Fatherhood. So we're gonna go back.
We're gonna talk about that. The transition from that because
I knew you as and I don't you know, I
(03:51):
don't pass this out a lot. Is like there are
there are good rappers, there are rappers that I'm a
fan of, and then like this nigga is just dope,
like where you just very few like at all, Like
I there are very few times that I stop a
track and like wait, wait, hold up, you know what
(04:14):
I'm saying, Like wait, run that back? Liked also like
it also, you know, just like some of y'all don't
know like how the game really meet, Like some of
your favorite rappers are using them is beliefs bars coming
out their mouth y'all, Like you know, I'm not ain't
no snitch. Some of y'all selling bars like a two
(04:36):
man sal You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Some of the pin game is crazy, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Man, Thank you, thank you man.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, sou so belief. I also realized as I read this,
there was a lot like you know somebody, but then
you realize, like I really don't. I really don't know them,
you know.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a lot in there. It's a
lot in there, bro.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
But you know, I.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
You know, I think you know what what men do
really well? We compartmentalize ourselves, and I think that sometimes
it's to a fault. You know, the MC needs to
meet the father, you know, the father needs to meet
the son, the son needs to meet the brother. Like
there's so many different parts of us that we have
to switch off and on. But I think what you
(05:26):
do really well is you are everywhere. Like who you
are on the mic is the same way who you
are in the green room everywhere.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
So I think you do a really good job of
being yourself everywhere, and I don't feel like I'm ever
getting a piece of you. It's like when I see
propaganda and I hear them on the song and I
hear him on the phone, I talk on the same person.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
It's always the same person. So yeah, thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
That's like there's which is actually leads into the first
thing I wanted to talk about, which is something I love.
I love looking at this, but I love I love
black men in the era we're in now, because it's
like niggas have gone to therapy, so like now we're
ready to like be like, oh okay. So one thing
(06:13):
that there's two things. There is one that I have
hanging on. It's like right on the wall behind the
camera that I remind myself as far as my parenting
is concerned. But for myself speaking of what you just said,
is that I've always valued authenticity. You will all I
will always be. You know, to your point, the person
(06:35):
you meet is the person I am, you know, But
my therapist called me on something which spun into a record,
a whole album that like I'm putting out next week
or not next week, next year. But he said that
artists oftentimes not oftentimes, He's like all the times. He's like,
they come in here all the time, and he's like,
(06:57):
you guys think you're good at being being vulnerable, Like
artists aren't good at being vulnerable, You're good at disclosure, okay.
And that's what I said. I was like, bra, slap
you dog. Don't ever say that to me, because you're
so right. It was like, it's a disclosure to the
extent that it serves you. You know. So I am
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on the stage, I'm fillaying myself, but it's curated, you
know what I mean. They're very and I am being
rewarded for that type of disclosure, you know. So I'm
telling you, I'm showing you the parts of me that
I'm willing to show. So what I sat back and
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thought about was like, okay, cause there are parts of
me that like when when my wife went Alma ask
me questions that I do feel naked, you know that,
I'm like, damn, like or I don't know how to
answer you I'd rather write a poem about it. I'd
rather write a song about it, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, And let let let me put this in the
perfect lighting and make it look just perfect, you yes,
as I show, as I bear my soul, let me
make it.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Look yes, yes, And I like so, I I really
wrestled with that, you know what I'm saying, and being like,
are there parts of me that are not not only
for public consumption, but are not fuel for my creativity?
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Are there parts of me that are just for me,
just for our family?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
You know?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So I often look to you for that, you know.
And I first chapter, I wrote it right down because
I'm gonna ask me the same question, Vet goes, is
this a family business or is our family of business?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Oh my gosh, Serve terrible, What a terrible thing to
ask me, sir.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
You know you want to talk about please talk about this,
because that's to me, was like, that's it. It's vulnerabilious disclosure.
What's available, what's off the table? What's on the table?
And how do I display authenticity to where I'm not
turning my family into a commodity? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yeah, you know, I think that there's a few things.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Right, I.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Didn't understand family. I don't understand family. I have to
redefine it for myself because I don't get it broken home,
you know, mom on the East coast and on the
West coast. I'm trying to figure out how to adjust.
So I don't understand. So I'm making it as I go.
The things that I'm attracted to in family life that
I've seen in literature, I've noticed that the parents really
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do give a business to the kids, right. They teach
them how to work, they teach them. And for me,
I'm like, this is a family business. I'll figure it out.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Just trust me, just trust me, Just trust me, Just
trust me, Just trust me. And that was my mon truck.
Just trust me, just trust me, Just trust me.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
And so when you question someone who is insecure, when
they're saying just trust you, they almost could offend it,
you know what I'm saying, because I told you, just
trust me, you know what I mean. And they're like, well,
I do have questions, and I'm like, why would you
ask me something like that, you know what I mean?
(10:31):
And so, you know, we're in a time where black
people are now starting to we're not getting nowhere near reparations.
But people are starting to be like, we might want
to listen to black voices.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
So I'm over here, like shut up, yah onward, exactly right.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
And my wife is having this internal battle with herself,
being like, I don't like the way this feels. I
feel like I'm for sale. I feel like you're for sale.
I feel like we're not living.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And you know, I was.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Immature, and I was sad and I was offended. What
she was truly asking is where are the boundaries? Where
the lines? Yes, and there was an answer to that,
but the way she phrased the question was so offensive.
I just I became the child instead of the father.
(11:28):
Really valid question. The answer to that question is we
have a family business, and there are parts of our
family family that we can monetize in a way that
benefits the growth of not only ourselves but our children.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
For instance, our son loves hockey. Yeah. I don't like hockey.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Yeah, but I'm a really good storyteller, yes, and my
stories about hockey can get the Stanley Cup in our
living room. And it did, and it did. But I
didn't have the categories to say all that. I just said, Hey,
if you want to hang out. If you want to
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hang out with Sterling K. Brown and his wife, we
could probably do that if I'll keep working, you know
what I'm saying. Or if you want to, you know,
launch a beauty thing, then we can do that. If
our son is interested in something, we could fund that
based on our business. Now that's all good and well
and good intentions, but nigga, how much does that cost?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yes, not in money, no, but in.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Access, in security.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
And we didn't know, we didn't know the cost to it.
So you know, it was a tough question.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
And I think we've kind of come to an agreement
right now that you know, there are certain spots where,
you know, if our kids are not interested in them, we
just don't show that part, you know. And we've talked
about this before, you know, several times. So I had
to allow my children to ask questions. But you know,
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it was crazy. A mentor told me, she was like,
you know, you really you don't like to teach. You
just want everybody to trust you because you have a
hard time trusting people. And I'm like, oh God, here
we go with this, right and you know, and she's
going in and she's from South Central so you know,
(13:31):
black women from South Central. She's not holding no punches.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
She'd have thought about this for a while. Yeah, and
just ain't saying nothing. But now it's time to say something.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Yeah, right, and so I'm kind of like yeah, she
was like, you know, I was like, I just want
I was just I said, I feel like I'm I'm
on one island and I'm trying to get to the
other island, and I just want everybody to just ride
the waves and let's get across this body of water.
Just please, just don't let go. Just trust me. I
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promise you we're going to be okay. She was like,
you know, when you ask somebody to trust you, you
can't do that without giving them an assignment. They need
to be told what to do while they're waiting, while
they're trusting you. What's their job and responsibility? Yeah, and man,
you know, I have grown so much from these you know,
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from from this moment in the book.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
But like right now, the question always still remains.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
And now that's just like a conversation like, hey, I
feel like we're giving too much here, man. I agree.
If you feel like it's too much and it's too
much for me, it's not worth it, you know what
I'm saying. But let's let's dig here. Why do you
feel like it's too much? What's the thing and what's
the thing? What is it really saying? Do you feel
like you're being exposed? Do you feel like because we
know one thing is true, we don't know what black
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life looks like? Yes on TV as on TV. We
don't know because even the stories weren't really orchestrated by us.
Like there were a few stories that were orchestrated by
our own voices, right the Cosby Show, to its credit,
you know what I'm saying, The Fresh Prince to its credit,
you know kind it was a fairy tale. But you know,
(15:14):
Martin living single, like we had some of these, but
children and black life, free, Lloyd laughter, black joy, loud,
black hair finding its way through a cone, the sound,
the smell. We don't know what it we haven't seen it.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Free.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
So my goal, I want to tell that story so
people don't grow up like family is weird.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
They look at like we look at people.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I have someone ask me like, YO, do you like
I do you feel like it's selfish to have kids?
I feel like if you have kids, it's selfish is like,
you created this thing so you can love And I'm.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Like, what you clearly?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Yeah, exactly, you know what I'm saying. It's like this
is not something to be worshiped here, you know what
i mean. Like, so now that I'm redefining family for
myself and my my family is you know, with with
all their understanding, comfortable enough to share, you know what
I'm saying. Yeah, then I'm I'm I I tell the
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story that I feel like I'm supposed to tell and
it's not easy, though.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
No, I'd so much that resonates with me on so
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many different places. I think early on, you know, I'm
a like like Yvette, are very highly educated, highly motivated,
you know, successful without us, you know, in so many ways.
She was very clear, and I'm saying early on, I
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just didn't get it. She's like, I'm not a part
of your brand, and I'm kind of like, yeah, you are,
you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, because and
to me, I think it was the same thing in
the sense that it was like why I'm telling my
story and you are a part of it. And even
and even in the stories that I'm telling, they're my lessons,
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like you're you know what I'm saying, like, these are
these are things that I'm learning to which it finally
clicked that it was like, oh, I'm treating them like
supporting acts or extras in my story, Like this is
my movie. You guys are extras in you know what
I'm saying. And it took a lot of like push
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and pull, balance and stuff like that to be like, Okay,
why I can't not talk about you at all, you know,
because of like the integral role you being a husband,
being a father in making me who I am, you know.
But yeah, I feel like you said, like you said,
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it is a constant question of like, you know, hood
politics came out of me and Alma's podcast, which was
The Red Couch. And when we started The Red Couch,
it shot to number one and it was great. She
didn't want to do it anymore.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, And I was like but but but but you know,
but at the end of the day, I'm like, she's
my wife, you know, I'm saying, like, and this is
her life, and what's more important is my marriage, you know,
And uh, you know, now she's like, like you said,
now she's at a place where she'd consider it, you
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know what I mean. She's like, yeah, like, maybe let's
look at it again. But it was going, it's going together.
I think another thing you said to which really like
kind of stung, was I in my defining of not
just fatherhood but just manhood. Is that my honesty, my integrity,
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the fact that you can count on me, that I
am a man of my word. I do what I say,
I say what I do. If I tell you, if
I tell you that circle is a square, it's because
I saw it it's a square. And I have never
lied to you ever in my life. So so, like
you said, trust me, So when you tell me you
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don't trust me, what I hear is you don't value me.
You don't think that I am trustworthy.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Worthy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, So rather than and I think to your point,
like you said, it took years to really understand what
she was saying, because me being like, how dare you
ask me a question? Is her saying, well, you don't
value me because I told you what I needed.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah. The fact that I can't ask you let you
let me know that you don't value my voice exactly. Yeah,
and you don't care about what I care about.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You you don't care about what I care about. And boy,
boy boy. The other phrase, which is so great this
is going through that's right off the camera, is a
phrase that says, you can be the storm or the
safe harbor, but you can't be both. And so I
think about that in my house, like when I come
in the door and I got all girls, so it's
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different for me. I come in the door, they all
in the bed, in the bell. I'm a kiki and
just cracking jokes, having fun. I walk in the room,
everybody get quiet, and then and the party breaks up,
you know, all right, Well I'm gonna go take a shower,
and I'm just like, no, nobody want to what's because
you're the storm? You come in and you're gonna point
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at dishes. Ain't done? Why you ain't picked up this?
What y'all talking about? Oh word, this is what I think.
You know what I'm saying. It's like, well, you know,
you should tell that girl, you should tell her. It's
like her, you know what I'm saying, Like she like Almo,
like we've been here all day having a great time. Yeah,
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you know, so those sort of navigations of what it means.
Like you said, uh, you know, in a black home.
I think another point you brought up is the Cosbys
were wealthy. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Fresh bunch
was wealthy. But then I'm also not from the projects,
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like you know what I'm saying, Like I don't live
in or at least I don't live in the projects.
Now you know what I'm saying, Like we grew up
kind of rough, but like I don't. I also don't
relate to good times, you know what I'm saying, Like,
you know that's not We're not all We're not all
gang members. You know. Some of us are really truly
going to work every day and just trying to figure
it out.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
So that what I think you bring in is like
you get to be you. You bring in a regularness,
you know. That is what I appreciate about what you
bring to the table. This is regular. These are too
working parents with kids that play sports that you don't
like what do I I cannot tell you how many
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times I just sit and then ballet, you know, in
them dance performances where I'm like, I don't want to
be here, but I am here. For my baby.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah yeah, bro, let me tell you man.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
And you know, here's the thing I said one thing earlier,
black like we don't get to see black life. But
also Christians, oh talk to me, do a terrible job
of showing what family and marriage should look like. Yeah,
we talk about it from a pull pit, but you
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don't really see it off the stage unless you have
the fortunate ability of being invited into someone's home where
you really be able to see it.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
And so a part of a part of this.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
For me is realizing that, you know, when I look
through the Bible, I know a lot of people's business,
Like I got details about people's Like, I know too
much information, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Like I
know where people what people struggle with for real, you
know what I'm saying. And so there's a part of
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life is a believer that like, we don't have to
share that because we're uncomfortable. Yeah, and I don't feel
like that does people much justice. So a part of
me is kind of like, yes, I'm protecting my family,
I'm aware of what the needs are, I know when
to pull back. But also I know that our transparency
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gives people freedom. It gives people the permission to say,
I don't know how to love you right now.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I don't trust you.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
And here's the proof, you know what I'm saying, the
conversations my wife and I have been having, and you know,
it got so hard at some point, and we just
started to be honest with each other and we were
able to kind of break free of like what we
were supposed to look like, you know, the part about
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black the part about black life and Christianity. The reason
why we're looked at so crazy is because we never
controlled our narratives.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Why so many friends in mine and in the activist
space and are just like, you have to help me
understand how to hell a black person can sit in
these pews, you know, like and and honestly, that's a
valid question, super valid based on their experience, you know
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what I'm saying, based on what they know. Like obviously
we have a longer tradition of that has very little,
if almost nothing to do with the popular narrative whatever
Christianity is. I'm like, like, I don't know what they
talk about.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
But like the mainstream, we don't know nothing about that.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I don't know, I don't know anything about We just
we just as surprised as you are, you know what
I'm saying. But that said, it's like when you do
I'm like trying to valuate what you're saying, when you
do invite people to the Fellowship haul, when you do
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invite people to come after come to dinner after church
on Sunday, like you really see this is why, you
know what I'm saying. Yeah, there's like a building fund.
Yeah we got you know, we always got the bake
sale and stuff like that was because we truly live
in a community. Like that's because you know, sister Jenkins
can't pay a rent, so we're doing that to pay
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a rent. Like this, yeah, and there's and and I
have no second thoughts about it, like this is you
know what I'm saying, Like it's an honor. Who's that
little boy on the couch He's like, oh his mama
got to work tonight? Yeah, I just I didn't. I
don't know. He just well he's staying here, Like when
is she coming? I don't know, I don't know when
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she's coming to get him, you know what I'm saying, Like,
but here all right, you know, like that sort of
community experience. I know, I grew up with you know
what I mean. Yes, uh, it's something that just yeah,
just people don't see. But I want to switch gears
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here and talk a little politics because our show is
I think in a lot of ways you say things
without saying things, which is one what I love about
the book, and then two about the show. And I
have discussed once before just about how like you can
(27:44):
bend statistics however you want to bend to them. Yeah,
but if we are gonna, if we are going to
be if we are going to look at the numbers.
First of all, we the numbers among different race structures,
and as it relates to the way that the government
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defines race, the presence of fatherhood is pretty much the same.
We are. We are like our divorce rates or in
the house or out the house. There's really no difference
among different communities. But so since that's like a no go,
it's like, well, absentee fathers in the black home, we
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just our numbers are the same, you know what I'm
saying now now, But once you get in the house,
the participation of black fathers in the l in the
life of their child child is not even close. We
are way more present with our children than really any
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other an you know what I'm saying, Like, when you
look at the numbers, so I guess, my, my, if
I were to formed this question, do you see that
you know, as far as like the places you've invited
to the people that reach out, you know what I'm saying, Like,
has this also been because I know anecdotally that's the
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way it feels to me, you know what I'm saying,
And then to see the numbers bear it out, it's like,
I mean, yeah, that's kinda that's kind of what I
think too. And I'm even saying about dads that are
in you know, broken homes, m hm, they be with
their kids, you know what I'm.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Saying, Yes, yeah, but that I think those are the
stats that they they're counting, right, It's like you don't
live with your dad or you only see them sometimes,
and so it's.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
An absent tee thing.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
So I think I think you know, what's interesting is that,
you know, if the numbers are the same when there
is one father, there's not just his house that he's
caring for.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
It's multiple people in the community, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
So the whole block celebrates when mister Johnson comes home
or gets off of work or whatever. Yeah, yeah, because
he'll go outside and help them and train them whatever. Yeah,
that's what I've noticed. What I also noticed is that
because I'm a part of you know whatever, this manisphere
is like thing happening here, like I see it, but
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I recognize that.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
You know, they're like organizations like.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Dad Gang with my homie Sewn Johnson and then they're
Shaun Williams. And so there's another thing called d s
SC the Daddy So Daddy Stroller Social Club where you know,
there's you know, I think there's like ten chapters across
the country where men are just getting together, mostly black fathers,
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but getting together. It's just hanging out with their kids
together every month, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
You know there's the Brooklyn Stroller Club with yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
with the homies.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
So there's like it's it's that when black men are present,
because you know they're is a lot of nurturing, you
know what I'm saying That we've learned, you know, from
our mothers. We also like become more than caregivers, you
know what I'm saying, Like we go deeper. You know
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what I'm saying with our intention in time with our kids,
and so you know, this is the this is the
crazy thing is they like to pick this this narrative
against us, and they you know, bring up statistics from
you know, whatever organizations. Mostly that's BEI because whatever, right, yes, right,
But when you see fathers that are involved, only the
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black dads are.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Accused of being overbeared.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
It's only the Dr Dion Sanders, it's only the le
bar Ball, It's only the Floyd Mayweather seniors. Like it's
always the you know, Richard Williams. Right, it's always those
dads that oh my gosh, he's just he you know
what I'm saying. Meanwhile, white white dads pulling strings all
types of we are still.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Talking about We're still talking about the bus Bus family
and uh for the.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Lakers exactly, I'm like, hey, nobody his.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Kids in charge?
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Exactly, why wouldn't he Yeah, yeah, exactly, ain't nobody tripping? So,
you know, nepotism. I never even heard that word before
like black people really started coming up, you know, like
so it's just I see it as you know, it's
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it's that Charlie kirkstat you know what I'm saying. It's
that it's that these these just I I hate it
because I'm like in the work, you know what I'm saying,
and so I feel like people are kind of stepping
in my area, you know what I mean, with their
shoes on and talk to me, come on, talk to
talk to So I'm like, I'm like, you got to
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understand that, like we have we we our families were
called apart forever, Yeah, from Rim, from our home, bort
apart sold the different parts because we understand the power
what black family represents. When another type of person comes
around and they see a black family, they want to
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be involved. Then when I tell you this, every Saturday
morning I have a men's let I just open the zoom.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Any black man can come. The only thing is you
just gotta be black. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Right, A lot of people will be like, yo, why
is it only for black men?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Maybe you hear Charlie Kirk say talk.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
About black talk about what he says about us. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you're not going through that. You're not going through it,
that's obviously, yeah exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
So my whole point is I want to give him
a space to fall apart and be human, just for
a moment, just for a moment on a weekend, find
yourself humans. I can't live this life dog, Yeah, with
men stepping into fatherhood and being caught.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Off guard by the truth. Yeah right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
The truth is you have to provide security for your wife,
your children, sometimes your employees and whoever else you have
some type of you know, protection over but you you're
not gonna feel secure at all. You're gonna have to
go into some community. You don't have to get really
close with God, and sometimes he feels like he's far
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from you, sir. And so in a place where I
realized I needed a hug and there was nobody in
my house big enough to wrap their harms around me.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
So I asked the family to give me a group
of I needed that.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Yeah, and I can't survive without that. And so I
need men to before they step in the fatherhood. I
needed to understand. Hey, bro, it's gonna cost you. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. You're gonna feel like when
you step into too the home. That why everybody get
quiet when I come around. Yeah, and you don't even
realize you got a pregame before you step into the door.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I didn't know. You gotta I'm guilty take it off.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Dad's home.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Dad's home, y'all got home this this Now, who's trying
to get whipped on this video game? You got to
come home with that and then and then later on
you you gotta fight to be yourself in front of
your wife too. I was in a meeting, bro, and
I was asking the guys. I said, Yo, how many
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of you guys feel like you give me one hundred
percent of yourself in your home?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
No? Everybody said, now, no. One.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Dude was having a meeting in his car in his
garage because he was like, I don't want my wife
to hear what I'm talking about, you know what I'm saying.
And I'm like, you know, it's just recently been me
in the past two years. I'm like, I could be
one hundred percent of myself in my house, and it's
come where it's come to my wife. She's understanding that,
like one, like, I'm really on your side, yeah, like
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I want you to win so bad and I don't
want to harm you. But because of her experience, she's
been told something different, you know what I'm saying. So
we just got a lot of work to do, and
as black fathers, we can't. It feels like we can't rest,
but in community we can rest. And I was talking
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to a dude another dude.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
He was like, Bro, it just seemed like everybody fake
and nobody else is lost, right, And we're in a group.
It's like fifteen of us talking. And I was like, Bro,
if we're all together, are we really lost?
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Though? Yeah, you know what I'm.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Saying, like, yeah, if we together, you're not lost.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
We just together.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I think of I think of so many things, like
the back and forth between if I show again because
I live in a queendom, like these are yes, girl, dad,
you know. Now, as as this is not to say
that their emotional state is any different than having boys,
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It's just plays out differently, obviously, but I say that
to say to your point, like, there are times that
like my sense of humor, the awareness, like you said
of even within my home, the power dynamic of patriarchy
just con at being a continual, haunting presence, even when
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I don't think I'm participating in it, you know, has
me so often being like let me just keep this
to myself, Like let me just let me just go
sit outside you know, let me just you know, and
it's for fear of I think, like you're saying, participating
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in a pain or a training that they came into
this relationship with, you know, and that is something that
like it means that I'm on, you know what I'm saying,
And I think, like you said, being being aware of
the fact that like, well, I am on, so that
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they can be free, you know, And that's really what
I want is for them to be free. So and
my wife has said something to me before which actually heard,
but it made a good point that she was just like,
there are certain things I just can't get from you,
so I have to get it somewhere else. And at
first I was like, what you know, and then I
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was like, oh, I am now experiencing that too. I'm like,
like you said, I can't because it would create instability
in the home if I allowed the fullness of something
we were just in it. Everybody who listened to you
already know, like you know, when I say, as far
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as money is concerned, when I say we scrape in
the bottom of the barrel, I mean it's paint chips
coming out them, good spood things.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
But so because of that, I had to learn a
lot about my plumbing. I can solder now. I was
up under the thing changing the I know what a
galvanized pipe is.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Right, So I had to learn all this and then
after it was done, I had to go do a
so I had to. I was like, Okay, I made
sure everything's done. Okay, I did it. I can't breathe.
I'm like, I lost my voice from breathing the dirt
under the house.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
But I'm like, but I had to go do the gig.
I get a call from from Alma and she's like, hey,
the backhouse, the sink's clogged. I'd been working on the
plumbing for the last week.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
And then I'm like, all right, I'll fix when I
get home. You know what I'm saying. You just and
it's like, it's not this like Martyrdom. It's more like,
like you said, like, let me be aware of what
you're coming into. So what I said in my heart
after I was just like, oh my god. Another thing.
It was more like I am thankful that she trusts me.
(40:44):
I'm thankful that she could feel safe enough to be like, oh,
I better not tell him because he's gonna explode, you know,
just being like Okay, hey, this is what's going on
with the sink.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yeah cool.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
I Now again I think about this, you could be
the storm or the safe harbor. So I was like, like,
in this moment, I was a safe.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Harbor for her.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Okay, yeah, which means the waves are gonna break on me,
you know what I'm saying, Let them break you know?
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah? But when do you But when do you get taught?
Because that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
It's like, man, you're like, yo, you want to hold back.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
You have to hold back so that they can be free.
But then when are you free? You know what?
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Which is what I'm saying in the sense that she
was wise enough to be like, I know, there are
things I have to get somewhere else. So she was
wise enough to say, you have to get that somewhere else. Yeah,
And I'm like, at first I thought, like, I said,
what are you saying? Yeah, And now I know what
she's saying is that, yes, where are your friends? Where
(41:46):
are you? Where? Where do you get to? And then
so then once you have that the type of vulnerability
you can bring in here. We are now prepared for
because this version has been taken care of. And boy, boy, like,
(42:06):
I feel like I'm such a better parent now, such
a better partner.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Yeah, yeah, man, that's that's dope. That's dope.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
And event had that same conversation with me. You know,
we have to constantly remind each other who we are.
You know, like I say, you know, hey, I'm not
your father.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Yes, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
So things that things that he may have done, like
I have no intention to do any of that. You
know what I'm saying, areas he may have dropped the ball.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
And I know you are not my mother. I trust
you in this area.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
So we have to always just constantly and then say
go be with your friends, you know what I'm saying.
Like right now, I'm in Baltimore cause I got to
go see the homie who got an unfortunate accident.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
You know, she missed out on having a spa day
with one of her girlfriends, which is supposed to be today,
you know what I'm saying. But she held space with
me so I could pull up.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
And that's that's more of the work that I want
my children to see you know what I'm saying, because
that you know what I'm saying, like it needs to
go full circle where.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
All right, So I'm gonna give you a rapid fire.
Let's first of all, thank you again. I'm gonna give
you rapid fire of some not so serious stuff. Okay,
and I just I need some Glenn takes.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Okay. So so first of all, one of which is
related to fatherhood, and it's Brownie James. Oh what what?
Speaker 3 (43:54):
What?
Speaker 1 (43:55):
What are the thoughts?
Speaker 3 (43:57):
All right?
Speaker 4 (43:57):
So, first of all, Lebron James is the greatest human
to play basketball. Okay, still think Michael George to go.
Lebron James is the greatest human his humanity appreciate that,
and so what let that.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Get his whatever cuz, Bro, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Oh man, he's sitting left bench anyway. You know what
I'm saying, Like, what's the damn difference?
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Let him run it up? Man?
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Okay, I love that one. All right. The next one,
I've noticed that the y ns have discovered the quarter zip.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
So obviously you know you and I are from a
very similar generation of like when like when we said
we was outside, like we really meant it.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
There was a level of little shirts. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
There was a level of violence that we carried, but
we was a little but we was kind of shining,
like you know, yeah, Paulo shirts, the button ups, you
know what I'm saying, Like we looked good outside. Yeah,
whyans are different, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, but
I've noticed I've noticed that, like they starting to care
a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
You know, man, I just love seeing black black people
shine in any way. Like I'm gonna be honest, Like
it's just so fascinating to me, you know what I'm saying,
how things catch on and like dudes is really shining
and young looking good.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Just it's just I don't know, man, I feel like
it's very positive. It's but that's a weird trend to
hop on that. I mean, that's like a sweater vest
to me, Like why quarters it? But I remember we
used to rock the quarters it like, but they were.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Follow ones Yeah, with the big pocket on the bottom.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Yeah exactly. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
We had the fleeces, we had the quarter joints, We
had the button up all the way up to the top,
you know, what I'm saying, like, but yeah, man, I
love that.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
I love that trend.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Okay, all right? Uh two more one of them is like, okay,
who rapping right now? If you were out here listening,
like who is barring out?
Speaker 3 (46:12):
All right?
Speaker 4 (46:12):
Man, I don't want I'm not trying to keep it Christian,
but that boy, John Keith is making.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
John rapping like so proud?
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Oh my god, God, is he wanted your little homies
Like let's let's let's be real.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
You know what I'm saying, you know, if we're gonna
keep it a bunk a buck. He's a chip off
the John Gibbs block.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
He's a okay, so he one of your little homies,
little homies.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
Okay, well yeah, I would say so now he is
the little homie. But he I feel like he's really
like John style, Like I feel like he adopted that.
John Keith is really one of the ones that I
think can do no wrong.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
He's probably my favorite right now. So I would agree.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
I think that there is Okay, now this is this
gonna we're talking bar for Bar. I'm just like, while
we like his like his tape with Miles, I'm like,
if we're talking just bar for bar. Yeah, John carried
that tape. You know. Now he can't make us a
(47:21):
bad song. Now, I am at somebody who is like
again cut from the cloth where it's like, I don't
I don't think I've I don't know, I don't know
if i've like i've, I've never made a hit, Like
I don't know how to make a hit, but I will.
But go back and go back and check the catalog.
(47:43):
Yeah no, y'all not rapping like prop.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
So so to me, I'm like, Miles has that thing,
like Miles can make a hit like you can think,
And I'm like, and that is something that I just
don't have, you know what I'm saying, John to me
has that, He's got that, He's got that that that
hybrid Kendrick power of him of like I he.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
The right time and he produces, he could dance.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Give him get given the right given the right runway,
the right amount of time on that runway, He's gonna
make some hits.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
Yeah, we need, we need, we need to figure out
how to support him in whatever way possible that the
ogs can you know what I'm saying, Like that, that's it.
So I love that. And then you know who hasn't.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Ever fallen off? But I say, Jackie Hill Perry, the.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Girl can rap, man, man, the girl.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
Can rap and not not even like just as a woman,
like she just rapped.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
She can just rap, you know what I'm saying. She
can just rap now.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
So the last one is hm very political. You can
you can? You can past or you can you can?
You can drop me?
Speaker 4 (49:02):
Now?
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Need you to give me the most wildest theory conspiracy
theory or not about Jeffrey Epstein and the Epstein Files.
Speaker 4 (49:09):
Oh man, this is like my favorite It's like my
little favorite pastime right here.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
So okay, talk to me.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Oh man.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
I think I think, Oh, Jeffrey Epstein and the Epstein Files, Man,
I think everybody is in that hole.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Every what are y'all jokers?
Speaker 3 (49:31):
I think everybody in there.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
And I think if it comes out like just I
think the world's gonna burn.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
Man.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
I think I think the celebrity already is dying, right,
Like people don't care, like you know, Beyonce, you know
what I'm saying, take no pictures?
Speaker 3 (49:52):
Yeah yeah, you don't care.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
But to see this whole Epstein thing, like I think
that there's so many different types of people, uh that
I don't know if we are. I don't think it's
ever gonna come out. But if it does come out,
I think I think it will expose the fact that
(50:16):
we really don't care about children like we say we do.
Because the people who need to get protected, they're gonna
stay protected. You know what I mean is they're not
gonna let They're not gonna.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Let themselves burn. Bro, it would be ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
Yeah, and man, cashpertell man, that guy gotta get up
out of here.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Man, we gotta get come up out of here.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Yes, he's the most suspicious looking person I've ever seen
in my life.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Though, Sir, you look like he just looked like he
just did four lines.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
It looked like Beaker off the Sesame Street. Bro.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
I know you ain't call him Beaker, right.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
He looked like a muppet.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
He gotta get up out of a muppet.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Like.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
I'm like, you want to like you want to be
a star, And it's clear you want to be like
you want to be an influencer. Which actually, man, I
we didn't get to this, but I wanted to talk
about that, like like which which Manosphere dude, are you
like I slapped the ship out of you?
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Like?
Speaker 1 (51:18):
And which mano spheared because you brought up the phrase.
But like, I feel like with him he because I'm like,
if you running the FBI, my g why is you
tweeting pictures of an active investor? Do you do you
understand your job anyway? But but I'm like, you want
to be a manosphere dude, So anyway, who are you
(51:38):
slapping the ship out of? Or you?
Speaker 4 (51:41):
Like?
Speaker 1 (51:42):
If I like, if I ever see one of my
sons pull up this YouTube video, We're gonna have an.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
Issue them fresh and fit dudes. Okay, you know they
so corny to me? Yeah, Andrew take super I don't
think I can run a fade with him because I
know he really I mean really yeah, but you know
I'll figure out a way, you know what I'm saying.
But uh, that's people outside of the community. I feel
(52:08):
like I need to have a conversation with doctor Umardo.
We gotta we gotta knock it off, man. He ever
since that stuff came out about his daughter, bro give
me the heat talk.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
Yeah, man, I like there was part of me that
always kind of had my eyebrow up, like is this
a lick? Like are you running a lick here? You know?
And then and yeah, I just the the intersection like
you know, like Massogy Noir where it's just like, okay,
is this you like, I don't know if this is
(52:41):
helping man, like you know what I'm saying, Like I
just I remember, yes, I have never especially like you know,
we are are our family being, you know, the black
and brown you know community sort of like the symbol
of that. I'm I'm always leary of anybody's content that
pits our communities against each other, you know, Like I'm
(53:03):
always leary of that where I'm like, okay, wait, what
are you trying to say here? You know what I'm saying.
So so I feel the same way about black men
and black women. I'm leary of anybody that are setting
us up as in competition with each other. I'm like,
slow down, bro, like I don't what are you trying
(53:24):
to say here?
Speaker 3 (53:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (53:25):
Yeah, I appreciate his character, like he's funny. He's very funny,
and I love that he's honest about his vices because
I love that about black men just being honest about it.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Yeah, he's got a wandering eye. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (53:41):
Yes, but the way he it's you know, the superiority
think bugs the uh, the the stuff with his daughter
bugs me.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (53:52):
It's like, bro, you can't say that. You can't say
what you're talking about and say that like it makes
no sense. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (53:57):
So, yeah, that that's that's what I'm on right now.
Speaker 4 (54:01):
But man, I think it's I think it's a lot
of unhealthy stuff going on, especially when you realize all
the skeletons, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
But yeah, hey man, you know what.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
Do you know? Right?
Speaker 3 (54:11):
Exactly? Yeah, exactly? So the book drops.
Speaker 4 (54:13):
Dropped already, k Okay, follow yourself, fother yourself.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
It's been out.
Speaker 4 (54:19):
I'm going down around the random Barns and Nobles and
signing them holes so you can pull up you know
what I'm saying and check the signatures in there. I'll
be doing some more pop ups. I'm doing one in
DC for sure. I'm gonna do one in Oakland where
I'm doing some book signings. But yeah, I'm gon way
to the New York because the holidays getting a little crazy. Yeah,
but yeah, man, I appreciate the platform for.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
Real of course.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
Man.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Now we love you. I always love you, man, and
we gotta love you. Get a real kick it in,
yeah for sure? All right, y'all, All right now don't
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to you. If you understand urban living, you understand politics.
These people is not smarter than you. We'll see y'all
next week.
As media. All right, y'all, welcome the hood politics for
prop I'm gonna bite the homie who's on the scene
right now. Welcome black y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
This is a longtime friend. This is we always try
to do something special for the holidays, something either either
a rerun or something that's not so like punch you
in the gut the world is dying type episode, you know.
So this is I I don't I do book recommendations,
(00:48):
but I don't ever interview the authors. Like it'd be
books that I'm truly actually reading, you know, like not
like oh, I mean you have you have a platform
I got do like will send you stuff all the time.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, and even for for like endorsements like to you know,
to put on the back of the thing. Like I listen, y'all,
I don't be reading them things.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It'd be like if I know the person, I'm like,
I trust them, like I trust you. I know this person,
I trust him. That's a good dude work. Yeah, you
know what I'm saying. This one I read man, I
read this mug. But anyway, ladies and gentlemen, do people
know your they know your birth name, Yeah, they know me. Yeah,
(01:34):
the homie Glenn belief, which is what I met him
as of the amazing YouTube and so much more network
belief in fatherhood. What's up, homeboy?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Thank you so much for having me, Bro.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I miss you. I love seeing you. I'm proud of you.
I'm so glad we have this little moment. I gotta
come up. I want to come up to you to
see the house and you know, you know, smell the
incense or whatever you got going on up in there.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
It's like it's literally right here. It's like you already knew.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I already knew it was up.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
But man, I'm grateful that man, you would have me
on here. Man, I know, we got a lot to
talk about because we never did this before.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So for so many years, like yeah, y'all, so to
catch y'all up, I've known belief in multiple iterations of
who he is as a artist, as a friend, as
a group member, as a tour made and then into
what he's become now. And one thing I do do
(02:41):
on this show a lot of times is like I
it's it's very important that like, again, the premise of
the show is like, if you understand hood, you understand
city living, you understand politics, you understand it better than
you think you do, you actually already living it, and
you actually carry more power and authority than the said
auticians on the screen. And so I always try to
(03:04):
bring in people that I'm like, this is what I mean, Like,
this is real power, this is real authority, this is
real influence. You know what I'm saying, And it's authentic
to who they are, whether they black or brown or
just just city folks, you know what I mean. And
I don't know too many people that embody this like
Belief does. So y'all may know him from his fatherhood stuff.
(03:30):
This freakishly just insanely successful, powerful, funny, well made YouTube
channel called Belief in Fatherhood. So we're gonna go back.
We're gonna talk about that. The transition from that because
I knew you as and I don't you know, I
(03:51):
don't pass this out a lot. Is like there are
there are good rappers, there are rappers that I'm a
fan of, and then like this nigga is just dope,
like where you just very few like at all, Like
I there are very few times that I stop a
track and like wait, wait, hold up, you know what
(04:14):
I'm saying, Like wait, run that back? Liked also like
it also, you know, just like some of y'all don't
know like how the game really meet, Like some of
your favorite rappers are using them is beliefs bars coming
out their mouth y'all, Like you know, I'm not ain't
no snitch. Some of y'all selling bars like a two
(04:36):
man sal You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Some of the pin game is crazy, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Man, Thank you, thank you man.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, sou so belief. I also realized as I read this,
there was a lot like you know somebody, but then
you realize, like I really don't. I really don't know them,
you know.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a lot in there. It's a
lot in there, bro.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
But you know, I.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
You know, I think you know what what men do
really well? We compartmentalize ourselves, and I think that sometimes
it's to a fault. You know, the MC needs to
meet the father, you know, the father needs to meet
the son, the son needs to meet the brother. Like
there's so many different parts of us that we have
to switch off and on. But I think what you
(05:26):
do really well is you are everywhere. Like who you
are on the mic is the same way who you
are in the green room everywhere.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
So I think you do a really good job of
being yourself everywhere, and I don't feel like I'm ever
getting a piece of you. It's like when I see
propaganda and I hear them on the song and I
hear him on the phone, I talk on the same person.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
It's always the same person. So yeah, thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
That's like there's which is actually leads into the first
thing I wanted to talk about, which is something I love.
I love looking at this, but I love I love
black men in the era we're in now, because it's
like niggas have gone to therapy, so like now we're
ready to like be like, oh okay. So one thing
(06:13):
that there's two things. There is one that I have
hanging on. It's like right on the wall behind the
camera that I remind myself as far as my parenting
is concerned. But for myself speaking of what you just said,
is that I've always valued authenticity. You will all I
will always be. You know, to your point, the person
(06:35):
you meet is the person I am, you know, But
my therapist called me on something which spun into a record,
a whole album that like I'm putting out next week
or not next week, next year. But he said that
artists oftentimes not oftentimes, He's like all the times. He's like,
they come in here all the time, and he's like,
(06:57):
you guys think you're good at being being vulnerable, Like
artists aren't good at being vulnerable, You're good at disclosure, okay.
And that's what I said. I was like, bra, slap
you dog. Don't ever say that to me, because you're
so right. It was like, it's a disclosure to the
extent that it serves you. You know. So I am
(07:22):
on the stage, I'm fillaying myself, but it's curated, you
know what I mean. They're very and I am being
rewarded for that type of disclosure, you know. So I'm
telling you, I'm showing you the parts of me that
I'm willing to show. So what I sat back and
(07:45):
thought about was like, okay, cause there are parts of
me that like when when my wife went Alma ask
me questions that I do feel naked, you know that,
I'm like, damn, like or I don't know how to
answer you I'd rather write a poem about it. I'd
rather write a song about it, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, And let let let me put this in the
perfect lighting and make it look just perfect, you yes,
as I show, as I bear my soul, let me
make it.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Look yes, yes, And I like so, I I really
wrestled with that, you know what I'm saying, and being like,
are there parts of me that are not not only
for public consumption, but are not fuel for my creativity?
(08:34):
Are there parts of me that are just for me,
just for our family?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
You know?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So I often look to you for that, you know.
And I first chapter, I wrote it right down because
I'm gonna ask me the same question, Vet goes, is
this a family business or is our family of business?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Oh my gosh, Serve terrible, What a terrible thing to
ask me, sir.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
You know you want to talk about please talk about this,
because that's to me, was like, that's it. It's vulnerabilious disclosure.
What's available, what's off the table? What's on the table?
And how do I display authenticity to where I'm not
turning my family into a commodity? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yeah, you know, I think that there's a few things.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Right, I.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Didn't understand family. I don't understand family. I have to
redefine it for myself because I don't get it broken home,
you know, mom on the East coast and on the
West coast. I'm trying to figure out how to adjust.
So I don't understand. So I'm making it as I go.
The things that I'm attracted to in family life that
I've seen in literature, I've noticed that the parents really
(09:52):
do give a business to the kids, right. They teach
them how to work, they teach them. And for me,
I'm like, this is a family business. I'll figure it out.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Just trust me, just trust me, Just trust me, Just
trust me, Just trust me. And that was my mon truck.
Just trust me, just trust me, Just trust me.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
And so when you question someone who is insecure, when
they're saying just trust you, they almost could offend it,
you know what I'm saying, because I told you, just
trust me, you know what I mean. And they're like, well,
I do have questions, and I'm like, why would you
ask me something like that, you know what I mean?
(10:31):
And so, you know, we're in a time where black
people are now starting to we're not getting nowhere near reparations.
But people are starting to be like, we might want
to listen to black voices.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
So I'm over here, like shut up, yah onward, exactly right.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
And my wife is having this internal battle with herself,
being like, I don't like the way this feels. I
feel like I'm for sale. I feel like you're for sale.
I feel like we're not living.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And you know, I was.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Immature, and I was sad and I was offended. What
she was truly asking is where are the boundaries? Where
the lines? Yes, and there was an answer to that,
but the way she phrased the question was so offensive.
I just I became the child instead of the father.
(11:28):
Really valid question. The answer to that question is we
have a family business, and there are parts of our
family family that we can monetize in a way that
benefits the growth of not only ourselves but our children.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
For instance, our son loves hockey. Yeah. I don't like hockey.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Yeah, but I'm a really good storyteller, yes, and my
stories about hockey can get the Stanley Cup in our
living room. And it did, and it did. But I
didn't have the categories to say all that. I just said, Hey,
if you want to hang out. If you want to
(12:10):
hang out with Sterling K. Brown and his wife, we
could probably do that if I'll keep working, you know
what I'm saying. Or if you want to, you know,
launch a beauty thing, then we can do that. If
our son is interested in something, we could fund that
based on our business. Now that's all good and well
and good intentions, but nigga, how much does that cost?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yes, not in money, no, but in.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Access, in security.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
And we didn't know, we didn't know the cost to it.
So you know, it was a tough question.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
And I think we've kind of come to an agreement
right now that you know, there are certain spots where,
you know, if our kids are not interested in them, we
just don't show that part, you know. And we've talked
about this before, you know, several times. So I had
to allow my children to ask questions. But you know,
(13:11):
it was crazy. A mentor told me, she was like,
you know, you really you don't like to teach. You
just want everybody to trust you because you have a
hard time trusting people. And I'm like, oh God, here
we go with this, right and you know, and she's
going in and she's from South Central so you know,
(13:31):
black women from South Central. She's not holding no punches.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
She'd have thought about this for a while. Yeah, and
just ain't saying nothing. But now it's time to say something.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Yeah, right, and so I'm kind of like yeah, she
was like, you know, I was like, I just want
I was just I said, I feel like I'm I'm
on one island and I'm trying to get to the
other island, and I just want everybody to just ride
the waves and let's get across this body of water.
Just please, just don't let go. Just trust me. I
(13:59):
promise you we're going to be okay. She was like,
you know, when you ask somebody to trust you, you
can't do that without giving them an assignment. They need
to be told what to do while they're waiting, while
they're trusting you. What's their job and responsibility? Yeah, and man,
you know, I have grown so much from these you know,
(14:21):
from from this moment in the book.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
But like right now, the question always still remains.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
And now that's just like a conversation like, hey, I
feel like we're giving too much here, man. I agree.
If you feel like it's too much and it's too
much for me, it's not worth it, you know what
I'm saying. But let's let's dig here. Why do you
feel like it's too much? What's the thing and what's
the thing? What is it really saying? Do you feel
like you're being exposed? Do you feel like because we
know one thing is true, we don't know what black
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life looks like? Yes on TV as on TV. We
don't know because even the stories weren't really orchestrated by us.
Like there were a few stories that were orchestrated by
our own voices, right the Cosby Show, to its credit,
you know what I'm saying, The Fresh Prince to its credit,
you know kind it was a fairy tale. But you know,
(15:14):
Martin living single, like we had some of these, but
children and black life, free, Lloyd laughter, black joy, loud,
black hair finding its way through a cone, the sound,
the smell. We don't know what it we haven't seen it.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Free.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
So my goal, I want to tell that story so
people don't grow up like family is weird.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
They look at like we look at people.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I have someone ask me like, YO, do you like
I do you feel like it's selfish to have kids?
I feel like if you have kids, it's selfish is like,
you created this thing so you can love And I'm.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Like, what you clearly?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Yeah, exactly, you know what I'm saying. It's like this
is not something to be worshiped here, you know what
i mean. Like, so now that I'm redefining family for
myself and my my family is you know, with with
all their understanding, comfortable enough to share, you know what
I'm saying. Yeah, then I'm I'm I I tell the
(16:20):
story that I feel like I'm supposed to tell and
it's not easy, though.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
No, I'd so much that resonates with me on so
(17:02):
many different places. I think early on, you know, I'm
a like like Yvette, are very highly educated, highly motivated,
you know, successful without us, you know, in so many ways.
She was very clear, and I'm saying early on, I
(17:25):
just didn't get it. She's like, I'm not a part
of your brand, and I'm kind of like, yeah, you are,
you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, because and
to me, I think it was the same thing in
the sense that it was like why I'm telling my
story and you are a part of it. And even
and even in the stories that I'm telling, they're my lessons,
(17:46):
like you're you know what I'm saying, like, these are
these are things that I'm learning to which it finally
clicked that it was like, oh, I'm treating them like
supporting acts or extras in my story, Like this is
my movie. You guys are extras in you know what
I'm saying. And it took a lot of like push
(18:10):
and pull, balance and stuff like that to be like, Okay,
why I can't not talk about you at all, you know,
because of like the integral role you being a husband,
being a father in making me who I am, you know.
But yeah, I feel like you said, like you said,
(18:32):
it is a constant question of like, you know, hood
politics came out of me and Alma's podcast, which was
The Red Couch. And when we started The Red Couch,
it shot to number one and it was great. She
didn't want to do it anymore.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, And I was like but but but but you know,
but at the end of the day, I'm like, she's
my wife, you know, I'm saying, like, and this is
her life, and what's more important is my marriage, you know,
And uh, you know, now she's like, like you said,
now she's at a place where she'd consider it, you
(19:11):
know what I mean. She's like, yeah, like, maybe let's
look at it again. But it was going, it's going together.
I think another thing you said to which really like
kind of stung, was I in my defining of not
just fatherhood but just manhood. Is that my honesty, my integrity,
(19:33):
the fact that you can count on me, that I
am a man of my word. I do what I say,
I say what I do. If I tell you, if
I tell you that circle is a square, it's because
I saw it it's a square. And I have never
lied to you ever in my life. So so, like
you said, trust me, So when you tell me you
(19:56):
don't trust me, what I hear is you don't value me.
You don't think that I am trustworthy.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Worthy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, So rather than and I think to your point,
like you said, it took years to really understand what
she was saying, because me being like, how dare you
ask me a question? Is her saying, well, you don't
value me because I told you what I needed.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah. The fact that I can't ask you let you
let me know that you don't value my voice exactly. Yeah,
and you don't care about what I care about.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You you don't care about what I care about. And boy,
boy boy. The other phrase, which is so great this
is going through that's right off the camera, is a
phrase that says, you can be the storm or the
safe harbor, but you can't be both. And so I
think about that in my house, like when I come
in the door and I got all girls, so it's
(20:56):
different for me. I come in the door, they all
in the bed, in the bell. I'm a kiki and
just cracking jokes, having fun. I walk in the room,
everybody get quiet, and then and the party breaks up,
you know, all right, Well I'm gonna go take a shower,
and I'm just like, no, nobody want to what's because
you're the storm? You come in and you're gonna point
(21:16):
at dishes. Ain't done? Why you ain't picked up this?
What y'all talking about? Oh word, this is what I think.
You know what I'm saying. It's like, well, you know,
you should tell that girl, you should tell her. It's
like her, you know what I'm saying, Like she like Almo,
like we've been here all day having a great time. Yeah,
(21:38):
you know, so those sort of navigations of what it means.
Like you said, uh, you know, in a black home.
I think another point you brought up is the Cosbys
were wealthy. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Fresh bunch
was wealthy. But then I'm also not from the projects,
(22:02):
like you know what I'm saying, Like I don't live
in or at least I don't live in the projects.
Now you know what I'm saying, Like we grew up
kind of rough, but like I don't. I also don't
relate to good times, you know what I'm saying, Like,
you know that's not We're not all We're not all
gang members. You know. Some of us are really truly
going to work every day and just trying to figure
it out.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
So that what I think you bring in is like
you get to be you. You bring in a regularness,
you know. That is what I appreciate about what you
bring to the table. This is regular. These are too
working parents with kids that play sports that you don't
like what do I I cannot tell you how many
(22:44):
times I just sit and then ballet, you know, in
them dance performances where I'm like, I don't want to
be here, but I am here. For my baby.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah yeah, bro, let me tell you man.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
And you know, here's the thing I said one thing earlier,
black like we don't get to see black life. But
also Christians, oh talk to me, do a terrible job
of showing what family and marriage should look like. Yeah,
we talk about it from a pull pit, but you
(23:18):
don't really see it off the stage unless you have
the fortunate ability of being invited into someone's home where
you really be able to see it.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
And so a part of a part of this.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
For me is realizing that, you know, when I look
through the Bible, I know a lot of people's business,
Like I got details about people's Like, I know too
much information, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Like I
know where people what people struggle with for real, you
know what I'm saying. And so there's a part of
(23:53):
life is a believer that like, we don't have to
share that because we're uncomfortable. Yeah, and I don't feel
like that does people much justice. So a part of
me is kind of like, yes, I'm protecting my family,
I'm aware of what the needs are, I know when
to pull back. But also I know that our transparency
(24:17):
gives people freedom. It gives people the permission to say,
I don't know how to love you right now.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I don't trust you.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
And here's the proof, you know what I'm saying, the
conversations my wife and I have been having, and you know,
it got so hard at some point, and we just
started to be honest with each other and we were
able to kind of break free of like what we
were supposed to look like, you know, the part about
(24:49):
black the part about black life and Christianity. The reason
why we're looked at so crazy is because we never
controlled our narratives.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Why so many friends in mine and in the activist
space and are just like, you have to help me
understand how to hell a black person can sit in
these pews, you know, like and and honestly, that's a
valid question, super valid based on their experience, you know
(25:20):
what I'm saying, based on what they know. Like obviously
we have a longer tradition of that has very little,
if almost nothing to do with the popular narrative whatever
Christianity is. I'm like, like, I don't know what they
talk about.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
But like the mainstream, we don't know nothing about that.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I don't know, I don't know anything about We just
we just as surprised as you are, you know what
I'm saying. But that said, it's like when you do
I'm like trying to valuate what you're saying, when you
do invite people to the Fellowship haul, when you do
(26:00):
invite people to come after come to dinner after church
on Sunday, like you really see this is why, you
know what I'm saying. Yeah, there's like a building fund.
Yeah we got you know, we always got the bake
sale and stuff like that was because we truly live
in a community. Like that's because you know, sister Jenkins
can't pay a rent, so we're doing that to pay
(26:22):
a rent. Like this, yeah, and there's and and I
have no second thoughts about it, like this is you
know what I'm saying, Like it's an honor. Who's that
little boy on the couch He's like, oh his mama
got to work tonight? Yeah, I just I didn't. I
don't know. He just well he's staying here, Like when
is she coming? I don't know, I don't know when
(26:45):
she's coming to get him, you know what I'm saying, Like,
but here all right, you know, like that sort of
community experience. I know, I grew up with you know
what I mean. Yes, uh, it's something that just yeah,
just people don't see. But I want to switch gears
(27:23):
here and talk a little politics because our show is
I think in a lot of ways you say things
without saying things, which is one what I love about
the book, and then two about the show. And I
have discussed once before just about how like you can
(27:44):
bend statistics however you want to bend to them. Yeah,
but if we are gonna, if we are going to
be if we are going to look at the numbers.
First of all, we the numbers among different race structures,
and as it relates to the way that the government
(28:04):
defines race, the presence of fatherhood is pretty much the same.
We are. We are like our divorce rates or in
the house or out the house. There's really no difference
among different communities. But so since that's like a no go,
it's like, well, absentee fathers in the black home, we
(28:25):
just our numbers are the same, you know what I'm
saying now now, But once you get in the house,
the participation of black fathers in the l in the
life of their child child is not even close. We
are way more present with our children than really any
(28:48):
other an you know what I'm saying, Like, when you
look at the numbers, so I guess, my, my, if
I were to formed this question, do you see that
you know, as far as like the places you've invited
to the people that reach out, you know what I'm saying, Like,
has this also been because I know anecdotally that's the
(29:09):
way it feels to me, you know what I'm saying,
And then to see the numbers bear it out, it's like,
I mean, yeah, that's kinda that's kind of what I
think too. And I'm even saying about dads that are
in you know, broken homes, m hm, they be with
their kids, you know what I'm.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Saying, Yes, yeah, but that I think those are the
stats that they they're counting, right, It's like you don't
live with your dad or you only see them sometimes,
and so it's.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
An absent tee thing.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
So I think I think you know, what's interesting is that,
you know, if the numbers are the same when there
is one father, there's not just his house that he's
caring for.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
It's multiple people in the community, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
So the whole block celebrates when mister Johnson comes home
or gets off of work or whatever. Yeah, yeah, because
he'll go outside and help them and train them whatever. Yeah,
that's what I've noticed. What I also noticed is that
because I'm a part of you know whatever, this manisphere
is like thing happening here, like I see it, but
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I recognize that.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
You know, they're like organizations like.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Dad Gang with my homie Sewn Johnson and then they're
Shaun Williams. And so there's another thing called d s
SC the Daddy So Daddy Stroller Social Club where you know,
there's you know, I think there's like ten chapters across
the country where men are just getting together, mostly black fathers,
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but getting together. It's just hanging out with their kids
together every month, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
You know there's the Brooklyn Stroller Club with yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
with the homies.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
So there's like it's it's that when black men are present,
because you know they're is a lot of nurturing, you
know what I'm saying That we've learned, you know, from
our mothers. We also like become more than caregivers, you
know what I'm saying, Like we go deeper. You know
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what I'm saying with our intention in time with our kids,
and so you know, this is the this is the
crazy thing is they like to pick this this narrative
against us, and they you know, bring up statistics from
you know, whatever organizations. Mostly that's BEI because whatever, right, yes, right,
But when you see fathers that are involved, only the
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black dads are.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Accused of being overbeared.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
It's only the Dr Dion Sanders, it's only the le
bar Ball, It's only the Floyd Mayweather seniors. Like it's
always the you know, Richard Williams. Right, it's always those
dads that oh my gosh, he's just he you know
what I'm saying. Meanwhile, white white dads pulling strings all
types of we are still.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Talking about We're still talking about the bus Bus family
and uh for the.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Lakers exactly, I'm like, hey, nobody his.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Kids in charge?
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Exactly, why wouldn't he Yeah, yeah, exactly, ain't nobody tripping? So,
you know, nepotism. I never even heard that word before
like black people really started coming up, you know, like
so it's just I see it as you know, it's
(32:31):
it's that Charlie kirkstat you know what I'm saying. It's
that it's that these these just I I hate it
because I'm like in the work, you know what I'm saying,
and so I feel like people are kind of stepping
in my area, you know what I mean, with their
shoes on and talk to me, come on, talk to
talk to So I'm like, I'm like, you got to
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understand that, like we have we we our families were
called apart forever, Yeah, from Rim, from our home, bort
apart sold the different parts because we understand the power
what black family represents. When another type of person comes
around and they see a black family, they want to
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be involved. Then when I tell you this, every Saturday
morning I have a men's let I just open the zoom.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Any black man can come. The only thing is you
just gotta be black. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Right, A lot of people will be like, yo, why
is it only for black men?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Maybe you hear Charlie Kirk say talk.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
About black talk about what he says about us. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you're not going through that. You're not going through it,
that's obviously, yeah exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
So my whole point is I want to give him
a space to fall apart and be human, just for
a moment, just for a moment on a weekend, find
yourself humans. I can't live this life dog, Yeah, with
men stepping into fatherhood and being caught.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Off guard by the truth. Yeah right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
The truth is you have to provide security for your wife,
your children, sometimes your employees and whoever else you have
some type of you know, protection over but you you're
not gonna feel secure at all. You're gonna have to
go into some community. You don't have to get really
close with God, and sometimes he feels like he's far
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from you, sir. And so in a place where I
realized I needed a hug and there was nobody in
my house big enough to wrap their harms around me.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
So I asked the family to give me a group
of I needed that.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Yeah, and I can't survive without that. And so I
need men to before they step in the fatherhood. I
needed to understand. Hey, bro, it's gonna cost you. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. You're gonna feel like when
you step into too the home. That why everybody get
quiet when I come around. Yeah, and you don't even
realize you got a pregame before you step into the door.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I didn't know. You gotta I'm guilty take it off.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Dad's home.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Dad's home, y'all got home this this Now, who's trying
to get whipped on this video game? You got to
come home with that and then and then later on
you you gotta fight to be yourself in front of
your wife too. I was in a meeting, bro, and
I was asking the guys. I said, Yo, how many
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of you guys feel like you give me one hundred
percent of yourself in your home?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
No? Everybody said, now, no. One.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Dude was having a meeting in his car in his
garage because he was like, I don't want my wife
to hear what I'm talking about, you know what I'm saying.
And I'm like, you know, it's just recently been me
in the past two years. I'm like, I could be
one hundred percent of myself in my house, and it's
come where it's come to my wife. She's understanding that,
like one, like, I'm really on your side, yeah, like
(35:54):
I want you to win so bad and I don't
want to harm you. But because of her experience, she's
been told something different, you know what I'm saying. So
we just got a lot of work to do, and
as black fathers, we can't. It feels like we can't rest,
but in community we can rest. And I was talking
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to a dude another dude.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
He was like, Bro, it just seemed like everybody fake
and nobody else is lost, right, And we're in a group.
It's like fifteen of us talking. And I was like, Bro,
if we're all together, are we really lost?
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Though? Yeah, you know what I'm.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Saying, like, yeah, if we together, you're not lost.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
We just together.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I think of I think of so many things, like
the back and forth between if I show again because
I live in a queendom, like these are yes, girl, dad,
you know. Now, as as this is not to say
that their emotional state is any different than having boys,
(37:39):
It's just plays out differently, obviously, but I say that
to say to your point, like, there are times that
like my sense of humor, the awareness, like you said
of even within my home, the power dynamic of patriarchy
just con at being a continual, haunting presence, even when
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I don't think I'm participating in it, you know, has
me so often being like let me just keep this
to myself, Like let me just let me just go
sit outside you know, let me just you know, and
it's for fear of I think, like you're saying, participating
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in a pain or a training that they came into
this relationship with, you know, and that is something that
like it means that I'm on, you know what I'm saying,
And I think, like you said, being being aware of
the fact that like, well, I am on, so that
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they can be free, you know, And that's really what
I want is for them to be free. So and
my wife has said something to me before which actually heard,
but it made a good point that she was just like,
there are certain things I just can't get from you,
so I have to get it somewhere else. And at
first I was like, what you know, and then I
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was like, oh, I am now experiencing that too. I'm like,
like you said, I can't because it would create instability
in the home if I allowed the fullness of something
we were just in it. Everybody who listened to you
already know, like you know, when I say, as far
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as money is concerned, when I say we scrape in
the bottom of the barrel, I mean it's paint chips
coming out them, good spood things.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
But so because of that, I had to learn a
lot about my plumbing. I can solder now. I was
up under the thing changing the I know what a
galvanized pipe is.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Right, So I had to learn all this and then
after it was done, I had to go do a
so I had to. I was like, Okay, I made
sure everything's done. Okay, I did it. I can't breathe.
I'm like, I lost my voice from breathing the dirt
under the house.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
But I'm like, but I had to go do the gig.
I get a call from from Alma and she's like, hey,
the backhouse, the sink's clogged. I'd been working on the
plumbing for the last week.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
And then I'm like, all right, I'll fix when I
get home. You know what I'm saying. You just and
it's like, it's not this like Martyrdom. It's more like,
like you said, like, let me be aware of what
you're coming into. So what I said in my heart
after I was just like, oh my god. Another thing.
It was more like I am thankful that she trusts me.
(40:44):
I'm thankful that she could feel safe enough to be like, oh,
I better not tell him because he's gonna explode, you know,
just being like Okay, hey, this is what's going on
with the sink.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yeah cool.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
I Now again I think about this, you could be
the storm or the safe harbor. So I was like, like,
in this moment, I was a safe.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Harbor for her.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Okay, yeah, which means the waves are gonna break on me,
you know what I'm saying, Let them break you know?
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah? But when do you But when do you get taught?
Because that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
It's like, man, you're like, yo, you want to hold back.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
You have to hold back so that they can be free.
But then when are you free? You know what?
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Which is what I'm saying in the sense that she
was wise enough to be like, I know, there are
things I have to get somewhere else. So she was
wise enough to say, you have to get that somewhere else. Yeah,
And I'm like, at first I thought, like, I said,
what are you saying? Yeah, And now I know what
she's saying is that, yes, where are your friends? Where
(41:46):
are you? Where? Where do you get to? And then
so then once you have that the type of vulnerability
you can bring in here. We are now prepared for
because this version has been taken care of. And boy, boy, like,
(42:06):
I feel like I'm such a better parent now, such
a better partner.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Yeah, yeah, man, that's that's dope. That's dope.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
And event had that same conversation with me. You know,
we have to constantly remind each other who we are.
You know, like I say, you know, hey, I'm not
your father.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Yes, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
So things that things that he may have done, like
I have no intention to do any of that. You
know what I'm saying, areas he may have dropped the ball.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
And I know you are not my mother. I trust
you in this area.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
So we have to always just constantly and then say
go be with your friends, you know what I'm saying.
Like right now, I'm in Baltimore cause I got to
go see the homie who got an unfortunate accident.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
You know, she missed out on having a spa day
with one of her girlfriends, which is supposed to be today,
you know what I'm saying. But she held space with
me so I could pull up.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
And that's that's more of the work that I want
my children to see you know what I'm saying, because
that you know what I'm saying, like it needs to
go full circle where.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
All right, So I'm gonna give you a rapid fire.
Let's first of all, thank you again. I'm gonna give
you rapid fire of some not so serious stuff. Okay,
and I just I need some Glenn takes.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Okay. So so first of all, one of which is
related to fatherhood, and it's Brownie James. Oh what what?
Speaker 3 (43:54):
What?
Speaker 1 (43:55):
What are the thoughts?
Speaker 3 (43:57):
All right?
Speaker 4 (43:57):
So, first of all, Lebron James is the greatest human
to play basketball. Okay, still think Michael George to go.
Lebron James is the greatest human his humanity appreciate that,
and so what let that.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Get his whatever cuz, Bro, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Oh man, he's sitting left bench anyway. You know what
I'm saying, Like, what's the damn difference?
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Let him run it up? Man?
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Okay, I love that one. All right. The next one,
I've noticed that the y ns have discovered the quarter zip.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
So obviously you know you and I are from a
very similar generation of like when like when we said
we was outside, like we really meant it.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
There was a level of little shirts. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
There was a level of violence that we carried, but
we was a little but we was kind of shining,
like you know, yeah, Paulo shirts, the button ups, you
know what I'm saying, Like we looked good outside. Yeah,
whyans are different, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, but
I've noticed I've noticed that, like they starting to care
a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
You know, man, I just love seeing black black people
shine in any way. Like I'm gonna be honest, Like
it's just so fascinating to me, you know what I'm saying,
how things catch on and like dudes is really shining
and young looking good.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Just it's just I don't know, man, I feel like
it's very positive. It's but that's a weird trend to
hop on that. I mean, that's like a sweater vest
to me, Like why quarters it? But I remember we
used to rock the quarters it like, but they were.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Follow ones Yeah, with the big pocket on the bottom.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Yeah exactly. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
We had the fleeces, we had the quarter joints, We
had the button up all the way up to the top,
you know, what I'm saying, like, but yeah, man, I
love that.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
I love that trend.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Okay, all right? Uh two more one of them is like, okay,
who rapping right now? If you were out here listening,
like who is barring out?
Speaker 3 (46:12):
All right?
Speaker 4 (46:12):
Man, I don't want I'm not trying to keep it Christian,
but that boy, John Keith is making.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
John rapping like so proud?
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Oh my god, God, is he wanted your little homies
Like let's let's let's be real.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
You know what I'm saying, you know, if we're gonna
keep it a bunk a buck. He's a chip off
the John Gibbs block.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
He's a okay, so he one of your little homies,
little homies.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
Okay, well yeah, I would say so now he is
the little homie. But he I feel like he's really
like John style, Like I feel like he adopted that.
John Keith is really one of the ones that I
think can do no wrong.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
He's probably my favorite right now. So I would agree.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
I think that there is Okay, now this is this
gonna we're talking bar for Bar. I'm just like, while
we like his like his tape with Miles, I'm like,
if we're talking just bar for bar. Yeah, John carried
that tape. You know. Now he can't make us a
(47:21):
bad song. Now, I am at somebody who is like
again cut from the cloth where it's like, I don't
I don't think I've I don't know, I don't know
if i've like i've, I've never made a hit, Like
I don't know how to make a hit, but I will.
But go back and go back and check the catalog.
(47:43):
Yeah no, y'all not rapping like prop.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
So so to me, I'm like, Miles has that thing,
like Miles can make a hit like you can think,
And I'm like, and that is something that I just
don't have, you know what I'm saying, John to me
has that, He's got that, He's got that that that
hybrid Kendrick power of him of like I he.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
The right time and he produces, he could dance.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Give him get given the right given the right runway,
the right amount of time on that runway, He's gonna
make some hits.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
Yeah, we need, we need, we need to figure out
how to support him in whatever way possible that the
ogs can you know what I'm saying, Like that, that's it.
So I love that. And then you know who hasn't.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Ever fallen off? But I say, Jackie Hill Perry, the.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Girl can rap, man, man, the girl.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
Can rap and not not even like just as a woman,
like she just rapped.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
She can just rap, you know what I'm saying. She
can just rap now.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
So the last one is hm very political. You can
you can? You can past or you can you can?
You can drop me?
Speaker 4 (49:02):
Now?
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Need you to give me the most wildest theory conspiracy
theory or not about Jeffrey Epstein and the Epstein Files.
Speaker 4 (49:09):
Oh man, this is like my favorite It's like my
little favorite pastime right here.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
So okay, talk to me.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Oh man.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
I think I think, Oh, Jeffrey Epstein and the Epstein Files, Man,
I think everybody is in that hole.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Every what are y'all jokers?
Speaker 3 (49:31):
I think everybody in there.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
And I think if it comes out like just I
think the world's gonna burn.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
Man.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
I think I think the celebrity already is dying, right,
Like people don't care, like you know, Beyonce, you know
what I'm saying, take no pictures?
Speaker 3 (49:52):
Yeah yeah, you don't care.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
But to see this whole Epstein thing, like I think
that there's so many different types of people, uh that
I don't know if we are. I don't think it's
ever gonna come out. But if it does come out,
I think I think it will expose the fact that
(50:16):
we really don't care about children like we say we do.
Because the people who need to get protected, they're gonna
stay protected. You know what I mean is they're not
gonna let They're not gonna.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Let themselves burn. Bro, it would be ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
Yeah, and man, cashpertell man, that guy gotta get up
out of here.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Man, we gotta get come up out of here.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Yes, he's the most suspicious looking person I've ever seen
in my life.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Though, Sir, you look like he just looked like he
just did four lines.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
It looked like Beaker off the Sesame Street. Bro.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
I know you ain't call him Beaker, right.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
He looked like a muppet.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
He gotta get up out of a muppet.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Like.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
I'm like, you want to like you want to be
a star, And it's clear you want to be like
you want to be an influencer. Which actually, man, I
we didn't get to this, but I wanted to talk
about that, like like which which Manosphere dude, are you
like I slapped the ship out of you?
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Like?
Speaker 1 (51:18):
And which mano spheared because you brought up the phrase.
But like, I feel like with him he because I'm like,
if you running the FBI, my g why is you
tweeting pictures of an active investor? Do you do you
understand your job anyway? But but I'm like, you want
to be a manosphere dude, So anyway, who are you
(51:38):
slapping the ship out of? Or you?
Speaker 4 (51:41):
Like?
Speaker 1 (51:42):
If I like, if I ever see one of my
sons pull up this YouTube video, We're gonna have an.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
Issue them fresh and fit dudes. Okay, you know they
so corny to me? Yeah, Andrew take super I don't
think I can run a fade with him because I
know he really I mean really yeah, but you know
I'll figure out a way, you know what I'm saying.
But uh, that's people outside of the community. I feel
(52:08):
like I need to have a conversation with doctor Umardo.
We gotta we gotta knock it off, man. He ever
since that stuff came out about his daughter, bro give
me the heat talk.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
Yeah, man, I like there was part of me that
always kind of had my eyebrow up, like is this
a lick? Like are you running a lick here? You know?
And then and yeah, I just the the intersection like
you know, like Massogy Noir where it's just like, okay,
is this you like, I don't know if this is
(52:41):
helping man, like you know what I'm saying, Like I
just I remember, yes, I have never especially like you know,
we are are our family being, you know, the black
and brown you know community sort of like the symbol
of that. I'm I'm always leary of anybody's content that
pits our communities against each other, you know, Like I'm
(53:03):
always leary of that where I'm like, okay, wait, what
are you trying to say here? You know what I'm saying.
So so I feel the same way about black men
and black women. I'm leary of anybody that are setting
us up as in competition with each other. I'm like,
slow down, bro, like I don't what are you trying
(53:24):
to say here?
Speaker 3 (53:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (53:25):
Yeah, I appreciate his character, like he's funny. He's very funny,
and I love that he's honest about his vices because
I love that about black men just being honest about it.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Yeah, he's got a wandering eye. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (53:41):
Yes, but the way he it's you know, the superiority
think bugs the uh, the the stuff with his daughter
bugs me.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (53:52):
It's like, bro, you can't say that. You can't say
what you're talking about and say that like it makes
no sense. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (53:57):
So, yeah, that that's that's what I'm on right now.
Speaker 4 (54:01):
But man, I think it's I think it's a lot
of unhealthy stuff going on, especially when you realize all
the skeletons, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
But yeah, hey man, you know what.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
Do you know? Right?
Speaker 3 (54:11):
Exactly? Yeah, exactly? So the book drops.
Speaker 4 (54:13):
Dropped already, k Okay, follow yourself, fother yourself.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
It's been out.
Speaker 4 (54:19):
I'm going down around the random Barns and Nobles and
signing them holes so you can pull up you know
what I'm saying and check the signatures in there. I'll
be doing some more pop ups. I'm doing one in
DC for sure. I'm gonna do one in Oakland where
I'm doing some book signings. But yeah, I'm gon way
to the New York because the holidays getting a little crazy. Yeah,
but yeah, man, I appreciate the platform for.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
Real of course.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
Man.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Now we love you. I always love you, man, and
we gotta love you. Get a real kick it in,
yeah for sure? All right, y'all, All right now don't
(55:02):
you hit stop on this pod. You better listen to
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