July 17, 2024 • 62 mins
If Beyoncé got dementia and couldn't remember her lyrics, but you already sold tickets for the tour, should you cancel it? Who do you replace her with? Solange is amazing, but is she BEY? What about H.E.R.? Or Jazmine Sullivan? Or do you stay the course and run the risk of Bey absolutely bombing? THIS is the issue facing the Democrats... Oh, and someone finally tried to kill Trump.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Call Zone Media. Okay, hmm yeah, what a what a
boring weekend?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Am I? Right? H nothing? Wow? Uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
What would have been me sitting down, as is my practice,
to just record on Mondays to stay ahead of the game.
Would be just me sitting here to record an episode
about the Supreme Court changes, which will clearly come in
play in a second. I am now recording a re
(00:48):
introduction to this show because of some breaking head ass news.
Apparently Trump is now confersd sing fifty cent songs.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Many men they don't the little white boy took the shot.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
And I'm telling you, I was cracking funny on the internet,
but I tell you what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
People was even sending me screenshots.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Black people's first thought was, I hope the shooter ain't black.
Y'all don't understand what we have gone through in this country.
I just hope the shooter ain't black. That's just please
don't be black. My own boy Fi Sean was like,
I just hope he ain't Muslim, you know, And it's
just like y'all don't understand. It's and since he a
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little white boy, we're gonna watch y'all just take care
of this boy with some soft gloves. Anyway, all that
to say, I'm was still run this episode about the
one you were about to hear about the Democrats trying
to change their headliner and how you know you're just
It's not as easy as switching out Broken Leg Beyonce
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with Solange, because we love Solange, but she's just not Bae. Now,
if I bought tickets to see Solange, that'd be different.
I'd be excited about that, But I bought tickets to
see back. But do I really want to see Broken
Leg not dancing, missed the step for got lyrics, Bae,
No fam, I'm gonna want my money back unless Bay says, Hey,
(02:23):
I'm gonna step down from this because I know I'm not.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, here's who I'm handing this show to.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Don't you think that will push her queendom even further
into the stratosphere That she was even humble enough to
step down when she needed to, and she passed a
baton to one of these young shooters, one of these
young ladies to become the new queen.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But if she was too just.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Too prideful to like walk away from it, wonder what
that would do for her legacy anyway, that's what you're
about to hear. So listen to that intro and then
I'm come back into It's like this, and we're gonna good.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Lord Almighty, we're gonna talk.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I'm recording this episode running the risk that it's going
to be completely outdated by the time it comes out,
but I want to go on record saying this is
July eighth, and I'm trying to put y'all on game
about it. I'm gonna try to pick people from various
genres and eras to try to prove this point, and
(03:51):
I think as I build up these examples, you'll understand
the point I'm trying to make. Do you know who
Dice row is? Okay, Murphy Lee? Do you know who
Lloyd Banks is? How about Earl Sweatshirt? Do you know who?
How about party next Door? Do you know who? I'll
(04:12):
give you an easy one. You know who Kelly Rowland is?
Y'all know Isaiah Rashad. Maybe I can do some sports ones.
Y'all know who all y'all who knows sports? This might
be easy for you, but that is my point. Do
you know who Robert Oriy is? Shane Battier a little
more current D'Angelo Russell. All these people have something in
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common that will become much more abundantly clear later. These
people I'm mentioning are incredibly talented. But before I bring
that in, I want to take y'all back to Camp
Flognaw in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Because of current moments in culture, this may not hit
the way it would have if we were having this
discussion in like January or February, but we're not, so
just stick with me. You have to go back to
twenty nineteen now. Camp Vlagnaw is a California music festival
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put on by Tyler the creator and in connection with
like the Odd Future crew that he's a part of. Now,
you may or may not know, but one of the
persons I brought up.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Earlier is a member of Odd Future. This is Earl Sweatshirt.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Earl Sweatshirt is an incredible artist, Stephen Lacey. I wish
I knew he's a part of Odd Future. These are
all members of this amazing, amazing collective. Now, I would
venture to say that even with Stephen Lacy's moment in culture,
and I don't say moment in the sense of minimizing it,
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and I'm saying it in the sense of it's new
right that he's very much poised to be if everything
goes well, the next sort of wave to come out
of that collective that we all knew was started by Tyler, Right.
Tyler was the leader of this movement of artists and
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has given us a number of music, one for which
is going to be the subject of this example. Now,
in twenty nineteen, Vlognaw sells thousands and thousands, tens of
thousands of tickets to this festival that he puts on.
But this year the headliner was a surprise. In twenty nineteen,
and most people were hoping, believing, praying that the headliner
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would be another member of odd future, Frank Ocean. Now
maybe you may or may not know, Frank Ocean is.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
A part of this collective.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
And my point about Stephen Lacy is, should everything go well,
it's not that he could be the next Frank Ocean,
but he could be the next wave you know of
the type of stardom that Frank has given us from
the same collective, and it's Stephen Lacey's a very talented
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young man. Now, Tyler and Frank Ocean have their own
individual star power, which is a testament to how good
of a leader Tyler is.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But yeah, they're crew.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
So the people kind of whipped themselves up into a
frenzy as to believing that because Frank ain't popped out
in a while and because of their relationship, and this
was the expectation. Essentially, even without anybody telling them that
it was official or not, these people bought tickets to
see Frank Ocean. This is what I signed up for.
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It was a surprise, but this is what I signed
up for. And there's no way Tyler didn't know. Right now,
as the festival goes on, I mean, Staples is that, like,
it was just the most amazing, amazing thing, incredible, incredible,
incredible festival.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And when the.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Headliner finally pops out, it was none other than the
Canadian boy Drake. Now, this is twenty nineteen Drake. Okay,
this isn't twenty twenty four Drake, who is now Jah rule?
This is two thousand nineteen Drake, the top of the world, Okay.
And the crowd booed him and they listen, listen, this
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is pre Kendrick destruction. Like you have to remember this
top of the world, Drake, This is an onna. This
is can't lose hit after hit after hit. Drake, this
is untouchable. This is stratosphere Drake. They booed him and
they boot him, partially because it's not that Drake isn't
that guy, it's they wanted Frank right.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
And the lesson to.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Anybody, even though you didn't even announce it, the lesson
to anyone is you can't just switch headliners. And I
don't care how dysfunctional your headliner is, you can't just
switch them out.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It's really not that easy.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
We have to figure out what the Democrats are going
to do hood politics, y'all. All right, welcome back. I
don't know, like I said, what, I can't tell the future.
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I don't know what they actually did, but I do
want to talk about this as a strategy. So depending
on what happened, either take this as I told y'all,
or this must be how they thought about it.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
But before I get into that, it like.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
This bull look is like this.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Bull look is like this, well, look it's like this.
Somebody then shot at Trump a.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Real deal, whole, actual factual assassin attempt. Now, I'm sure
at this moment in time, there is no particulars you
not necessarily familiar with. And probably because I'm recording this
a few days before this comes out, there's probably gonna
be some new information that I, as right now don't know,
But I tell you what, there are things to consider
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that have to do with political science, street politics that
I think could help you interpret this moment right now.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Let's first talk about the political science.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Remember that our presidents have been assassinated before, notwithstanding the
attempt to take out Reagan, you know, which some would
argue shot him into the stratosphere. But point being, first
thing you need to understand is that political violence is
as old as politics itself. It's always been there. We
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are not in a particular moment that has not been
deep thoroughly researched. That there are decades, multiple thousands of
pages of research about the moment America's in right now
and how you get to these moments, and there's examples everywhere,
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and it doesn't obviously, it doesn't happen overnight. These staunch
political divisions that we have have been usually and historically
stoked by some sort of autocrat, right wing or left
wing that usually comes from a financial instability or a
deep seated feeling of superiority towards another group, a group
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that had been vilified. Now in everybody of research, when
at least in Western countries, in western white countries, your
first sign that you got a problem is bored, young,
disenfranchised white boys.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
This is just what the research shows.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Do you know when America started the Boys Out of America,
the YMCA, and of course all of these things are
boys and girls club, right, that used to be called
the boys club. These come, These came from a body
of research in nineteen nineteen that was saying boys are
bored and they're getting into mischief and they don't know
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how to have character. No more white boys. Just I'm
just saying, this is just our history. White boys begetting radicalized.
This is I'm talking about again, white dominant Western countries,
Nazi movement.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Y'all know.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Look, it was just bored, angry, disenfranchised white boys. This
is what happens, man, Them little white boys get bored
and riled up. It's just it's Look, this is the research.
The economic wealth gap, the feeling of being left out
from you know, society. A society moves on and becomes
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more equal. When did Kennedy gets shot? When was Malcolm
X's shot. When was Martin Luther King shot when we
were reaching I just look, I don't and listen. All
over the world, no political wing has cornered the market
on stoking or receiving or being both A and B
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on political violence assassinations.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Nobody's got a corner on this.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
But I will say this authoritarianism and lead those that
lead to it have a higher chance of these moments
happening in their culture. That's just I mean, it's just
the research. Man. You can look at the work of
Robert Putnam, he talks about these particular things. You can
look at the work of Daniel Ziebat and Stephen Levinsky.
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They're the authors of this book called How Democracies Die
in Tyranny of the Minority, which is.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
A whole other talk.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
We need to talk about that, like how some of
this stuff gets ratcheted up, but essentially, like the tyranny
of the minority is the idea that like keep in mind,
Trump has never won the popular vote. He's never actually
we never actually chose him. It was always through the
electoral college in our House.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And in our Senate.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
These extremely right wing policies that have been passed really
only represent thirty percent of our population, and they're the
ones running things, the courts, So it's a minority of
the people, right, Because the reality is this, people really
don't like Donald Trump the numbers game, He's deeply unliked.
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But the oversized power and authority to push their choices
onto people's the tyranny of the minority.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Now keep in mind, I'm gonna keep it real.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
That's the way the right felt during the eighties and
nineties when we was passing stuff like I don't know,
quality stuff, right. So the point I'm trying to make
is that's one way to think about how a country
gets here. There is an actual index that rates countries
democracies in terms of their health. Now, granted, I mean,
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how exact can this science be, but it's the tools
we use to be able to rubric if we wield
to be like, yo, are we own or not?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Right?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
And you score it on a scale of one to
one hundred. Now our score dropped about ten points recently.
The points the points scale, it's silly and arbitrary. That's
not what I'm bringing up. What I'm bringing up is
what these experts who study democracies around the world try
to tell you is signs of warning, signs signs of unhealth,
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one of which is the peaceful transfer of power and
the lack of confidence in your electoral process. When people
feel like their choices aren't heard, When people feel like
their elections aren't protected or safe. When you question the
legitimacy of the entire institution, your institution is probably on
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the verge of falling. Our democracy is unwell. Now, your
boy is not an institutionalist. I wrote a whole book
called terror Form, which has to do it like tearing
the old shit down and starting over. So I'm not
an institutionalist, but I'm a realist. And honestly, black people,
people of colored since day one, was trying to tell y'all,
y'all building this shaky, this likes this is not well.
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Like y'all not well, and you have not been willing
to go back and fix the problems. You just you're
like silly landlords to just rather than fixing holes, you
just paint over them like you can't just.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
It's all bad. And when empires start.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Falling, they grab onto the one guy that says, don't
worry about it, I got it. I'll fix it because
it makes you feel safe. And what he got to
do to do that is he got to create enemies
out of everybody else. This is gonna make violence. I
just don't want us to tell you now. Switching my
hat from a geopolitical teacher to a tour guy through
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the hood fam, it's the same.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Bruh. You can't y'all ratcheted up to talk. Y'all was
talking that talk. You y'all talk to gang talk.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
You talk like you not civilians, like you got them
things and you ready to shoot, and you when you
stand on business, and when you stand on business, somebody
gonna test your jaw. If I feel like you messing
up the game, you ruin in the plays were trying
to run. If I feel like you fraudulent in a
certain way, I feel like you putting the block in danger. Listen,
Blame is not the discussion. And we not talking about blaming,
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because who do you blame when the gang start Like,
what do you mean blame? This goes back too far.
There's too many grievances. Everybody's said things that they weren't
supposed to be said. Now, when you get somebody that's
really talking that tough talk, it's what I just don't
understand what you understand. You can't talk that tough talk.
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When you talk that tough talk, somebody gonna think you
a tough guy. And if you a tough guy, shake
it off.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
You'll be all right.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
And the words of camraon niggas get shot every day,
you tough, right, you be all right. It's just this
is just what be happening. Everybody talk like this the
end of the world. If we don't fix it, well,
somebody gonna try to fix it.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Now. It feels very.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Special right now because it's been it's been decades, unless
you count Nagcy Pelosi's husband, right, but either way, it's
just been a long time since something like this happened.
And lucky for Trump grazed his ear and now he
gets to again sing fifty cent songs many men, you know,
he gets to make his old his full get rich
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or die drying record with his mouth kind of wired
shut a little bit because he got shot in the mouth.
You feel me like y'all. He's turned this man into
a superhero bro As of right now, the conspiracy theories,
like I said on the social media's, are about to
be outlandish now in a world where AI abounds and
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deep fakes and misinformation. Y'all gotta slow, y'all roll, Keep
your theories to your group text because you don't want
sounds super dumb or cause another shooting because you out
here spouting off stuff. You don't know what you're talking
about anyway you feel me, So that's the game I'm
gonna give you right there, like keep.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Your little keep your little conspira, keep keep it to
the group text.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Send the memes to the group text you feel me
right or directly to me because I listen, I'm black.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I'll be laughing at pain. I get it. We crack jokes.
You understand how we process stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I highly suggest that you keep your head about you
about these conspiracy theories. Next thing I say is about
Trump's instincts that fools Antennas to be like, I'm gonna
throw my fist up right now with the blood streaking
down my ears, like demand nobody know TV better than
this man.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I'd like it. Listen.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Remember I told y'all, if he was able to shake
off these things, I would have to be like, you
know what respect do? And I mean he was in
the middle of shaking off all the all types of
acceptance of repercussions. He was finished shake off all of
repercussions for his fraudulent false choices, one of which comes
in play right now. So let's just pretend like Biden
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was about that life and called for this shooting. As
of last week, he would be immune anyway, because as
an official presidential act that's covered in privilege, you can't
even bring no evidence in according to the Supreme Court.
Look like my mama say, don't write a check with
your mouth. Your booty can't cash you love. Listen, I'm
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just saying, this is the law that y'all.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Y'all just passed.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
The law just now for a type of immunity that's
covered under the executive branch.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So what you do official acts?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
And Chief Justice Soda Mayor told y'all that you green
lighten people.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Now I'm not saying obviously, I'm not saying Joe did this.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
No. I love my share of conspiracy theories, but I
tell you what, this one would be lame. I like
the idea of people saying it was stage it kind
of like, okay, this is what I mean. Like, like,
y'aslo keep that in your group text. Maybe have your
little angles and do your thing. But all I'm saying
is tie the politics together. Thanks to the Supreme Court,
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even if it was Joe, because of your work, you
couldn't prosecute him anyway. Yeah, good going, bro, Next time
think about your actions, right, sird. Anyway, as of the
time you hearing this, Trump then already stood up in
the RNC and got his crown. Unless another shooter don't miss,
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then that's probably what's happening in two days ago from
the day that this dropped. And at the end of
the day, there's no other there's no other way to
explain this that Like, one, this might have sealed the
deal for him to be in office. Two, well, now
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none of his crimes matter in the eyes of the public,
which is why a lot of people think this might
have mistakes. And three, we need to brace ourselves for
the wildest of the next five years. Part of why
I feel pretty confident that we're gonna have another four
years of this man is because of the rest of
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the episode.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
You about to eat bull gets like bully gets like this.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
All right now, overall, there's a there's a point I'm
gonna make here, and then I'm gonna talk about, uh who,
at least as of this moment July eighth, who the
Democrats are thinking about, and then what strategy I would
deploy if it was like, we're not gonna we're not
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gonna be able to switch out this headliner, headliner being
if you ain't figured it out, Joe Biden. But back
to this camp flognaw thing. Tyler holds such a special
place in hip hop and specifically la and hip hop
in the sense that like this, like nerd rap is
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a thing, right, that's your like logics of the world,
but his nerd rap is a.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I don't know how to say it except that it's
it's white, like it's just I don't know how to
explain it.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Tyler comes from a left of center, but he's very
West Coast. It's very creative, it's he's a brilliant artist,
but he's also like like your nigga, you know what
I'm saying, but yeh nigga in a sense that, like
most of Los Angeles is where we're not all meet
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the whoops, which was why it was so beautiful that
they included Tyler and Stephen Lacy at the PopOut.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I'll remember again Stephen Lacy from Compton, So it.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Was very important that these types of other sides of
California were also represented. And to give this man his flowers,
Tyler been putting on for La for a long long time,
and let me take a moment to give my boy
mersus flowers who used to run Paid Dues, who put
odd future on the Pay Dues Festival, which actually helped
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push them forward. So the lineage is beautiful and out
of that collective, like I said, you have Comedy Central songs,
you have one of the Despicable Me tracks, right, and
you have a person mentioned earlier, Earl Sweatshirt, a person
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mentioned a group, a group called the Internet.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You have sid you have.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Taco, you have Frank Ocean, you have Stephen Lacy. Tyler
has made this collective that has drawn in this world
of like artists, kids like weirdo kids. So that's why
I was like, it's not necessarily nerd, it's just weirdo.
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Like we're just not just the not popular as in
pop culture, but not gangbanging, but we just we like
what we like. And the crowd reception of Tyler and
Stephen at the pop out was proof that, like most
of us are like this.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, so in Tyler's mind it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
He's like and even rapped about it before, and then
he tweeted about it the next day how he was
embarrassed how the crowd treated Drake. He was like, I thought,
if I broke bread to bring in the biggest artist
in the world, that y'all would be cool about it.
But y'all embarrassed me, straight booing this man from the stage.
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But them kids don't care. It didn't matter the stratosphere ability,
and of course everybody calmed down as the show went on,
But the stratosphere ability.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Of the artists made no difference.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
If we signed up for Frank Ocean, you signed up
for Frank Ocean. Now, I'm gonna go back into the
examples I gave you before. Kelly Rowland was a member
of Destiny's Child. Now, if you bought the Beyonce tickets
and Beyonce got sick, are you trying to see Kelly
Rowland show?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Now? Does that have.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Any bearing on whether Kelly Rowland is an incredibly talented
artist with hits all her own. It makes no bearing
of it. We signed up for Beyonce. What if Beyonce
broke her leg. You gonna you're gonna take broke What
if Beyonce was eighty nine years old, you gonna take
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you gonna take a broke Beyonce?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Right, so.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I mentioned earl sweatshirt. If you bought a Tyler the
Creator ticket and Tyler got laryngitis, do you cancel the
show or do you bring in earl sweatshirt? It's not
that easy, is the point I'm trying to make. Murphy
Lee was a member of the same Lunatics. So if
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you wanted to see Nelly, you're gonna settle for Murphy
Lee Dicera as a member of the Roots. You want
to see you going to the Roots picnic and black
Thought isn't feeling well. If you're the promoter, do you
cancel the show? If you're looking at if you went
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to the rehearsals and you saw your headliner, you saw
you saw beyond. You saw her struggle through her routines,
you barely get her words out, You saw her mess
up song lyrics. Now, obviously I can't see this ever happening,
but just follow my example. You see that like she
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ain't got this, she don't how to step sheet. But
you done, already sold all the tickets, her posts, her
name on every poster. You done bought the billboards, You
done bought the commercial spots. I brought up Isaiah Rashad,
Isaiah Rashad's and member of TDE. He was one of
the first acts that they signed after Black Hippie was
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all signed. He was one of the first ones they
added to the roster. He fit perfectly. But if you
bought a Kendrick Lamar ticket, do you want to see
Isaiah Rashad? Does that mean he's not talented? It has
nothing to do with his talent. It means it's not
what we signed up for. And even if Kendrick had
lost his mind, you bought a Kendrick ticket. Now, if
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you're the promoter, a lot is riding on this. You
can't just switch out headliners. I have been on a
tour where the supporting act got switched out the week before.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
With someone who I would argue is of equal or.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Might be greater talent. That it matters now y'all signed
up for. It just causes chaos. So what do you
do if you're the promoter? Because it's not that simple.
You can't just switch the headliner as you as the buyer,
That's what I'm asking these questions. If you're the buyer,
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you bought a ticket to see Beyonce, and if Beyonce
is not coming, and they just add some are you
still gonna go to the concert? He's like, gosh, man,
my three hundred dollars, but you spend your three hundred
dollars to see her. What you probably gonna do.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Is sit it out. And I don't know who you
could possibly put in her place? And again, do you
have to go? How do you go higher? Like if
we're talking like who's higher than who's higher than Beyonce?
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Like what do you do? Your hope is to get
somebody younger? What do you do?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
And I say this to say this is the position
that the Democratic Party finds their self in now. To
keep this metaphor going is to say that you knew
good and well Beyonce wasn't ready for this tour. I'm
I'm just saying if it was that, and but if
she was insistent, like I'm doing this, but all of
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us can tell huh, Like let's just say this is
twenty thirty four, Beyonce, I don't know, you know what
I'm saying like she don't. I'm just the point I'm
trying to make is it's very obvious that she's Queen
Bay and nobody taking that from her. It's just maybe
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maybe this ain't Joe moment.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I but what are you gonna do? Well? Joe Biden
had a.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Abysmal performance at the first debate. Now, when I say performance,
I say that word on purpose because okay, now here's
your here's your here's your political theory. Here. In a
lot of countries you have a lot of like modern democracies,
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you have a president and a prime minister. Right, the
president is more figurehead. The prime minister does the work, right,
the actual running of a government, President prime minister. In
the UK you have the Queen, well now the king
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and then the prime minister. The prime minister does the work.
These are two different people. What's unique about America is
and other countries that are like this, they are those
two roles are one person. You are the figurehead and
the administrator. You have to be able to do both.
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It's the equivalent to the think of like the guitar whiz,
the musician, the band that just loves music so much
that when you go see them play. They're really not
paying you no attention. They're actually enjoying themselves. The performer
that turns their back and it's just like vibing with
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the band. I mean, it's cool, it sounds amazing, it's
technically sounds amazing, But was it a good show? Because
it's like I wasn't a part of it. I'm not
a part of it. You're not even paying me any attention.
The crowds just the crowd could be there or not there.
You just love the music, which, if you're into that,
that's amazing. Then on the other hand, you have a
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person who's remarkably entertaining. If you ask a Latina that
you're j LO, there's a civil war among Latin women
about how they feel about j LO. You either love
her or hate her. I'm gonna argue which part of
the Latin community is. It depends on if Selena is
your patent saint, because if Selena is your patron saint,
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then you're sort of offended that JLO played her.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Out of anyway.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
The point I'm trying to bake is it's no secret
that Jennifer Lopez don't have the greatest voice, but she
is a remarkable performer. She's an incredible entertainer. There's no
other way around it. She's an incredible entertainer. It's a
pretty mid singer. It's just apparently I'm learning now that
that's the Alicia Keyes story. I felt like she was
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a great singer.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
But how what do I know? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
The point is in America, you have to be able
to do both. You have to be a great musician
and a great performer in terms of following my metaphor
in terms of being the president. So Biden's performance had
very little to do. That's why I say performance as
very little dude with the substance of what he was
trying to say. Now, this is not me again, I've
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said it many times. It's not me being a Biden
stand This is me saying that in a lot of times,
in a lot of scenarios, I got what he was
trying to say because of his track record of like ups.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
And downs and goods and bads and.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Abysmal policies and also incredible policies that have benefited our
country in ways that no one and especially him, has
been able to articulate. He couldn't get the words out.
The problem is you have to be able to do both.
You have to be able to actually know the policy
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and perform. Which is why my argument between the two
of Trump and Biden is Donald Trump's an incredible performer.
He just don't know what he's talking about.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Or when he is talking. He lied like.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Your policies are trash, even the ones that are that
you're gloating as wins, like that's the inflation you talking about,
It was.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Because of your policies.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
So I'm just saying, if you're gonna get into the
weeds of the policies, Trump can articulate bad policies. Well,
now having said that about old Trumpy, I am calling
some of these bad policies only because I disagree with him.
They may not necessarily be air quotes bad. I just
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don't agree with that direction.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
So let me just say that. And then some of
the stuff is like I don't know, gee, you lost
your mind.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
You gotta be able to do both. Why was Barack
Obama what he was was because he could do both.
Now I have some strong issues with a good number
of his policies, of course, but he carried the position, well,
you gotta get you one to do both. It is
abundantly clear to the Democratic Party that mister Biden can't
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do both right now. As a matter of fact, according
to the people that ain't willing to say it with
their whole chest, people going off record, people not willing
to stand on business, they saying it with part of
their chess is that he's getting less and less lucid
as time goes on. And these people are afraid of
saying it out loud, but they all whispering it. There's
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been about four people that have said it out loud
that it's like, I think it's time for us to
switch our headline. And I hope they're saying it understanding
the risk that that is a risk that's very obvious
to you who's listening, which is, how do you convince
people who already purchase their ticket to not just sit
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it out because it looks like you don't know what
you're talking about. Who do you put in place that
makes people that have already bought their ticket soonoper excited
about the person you bringing in, which is why I
bring up Dice Raw.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
That's an incredible rapper.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
He's not black thought, But you have to convince people
that only know the roots based on Jimmy fallon that
Dice raws you'll do. You have to convince people that
Murphy Lee can rap his tail. You have to convince
people that Lloyd Banks can wrap his tail off because
fifty cent is too drunk to perform. Oh yeah, because
Lloyd Banks was a member of g Unit. So you
have to convince them. I know, because I love hip hop,
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but I also know most of y'all don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
So who do you bring? You need somebody that is half.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Joe's age, understands the policy and has a big enough
back to put the country on their shoulders in this situation.
Nobody knows if it's really enough, If the disgust and
the fear of another four years of Donald Trump, if
that's an enough I'm saying this again as a democratic strategist,
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is this enough to get people out? And what it's
showing is it's not for two reasons, one Gaza.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
And two The one thing you had to prove is
not that you're smarter or more integral than Trump. You
just had to prove that you could last for four years,
that you could get a sentence out. And it didn't
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prove it. And there's not a surrogate in the world
that could convince people. It's got to be Joe. It's
got to be. You have to prove it. The hate vote,
the vote against Trump or the vote for Biden is
the question that they're kind of writing on. But is
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it Is it enough? And I don't know, because again.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
I think it's very important to remember that the people
that love Trump are just very loud.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
But it's it's not a lot of them like he.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
It's it just seems like he has more fans than
he does because his fans are so loyal. And the
fact that again he can bend reality because apparently he's
completely immune for any other actions he's done because he
was able to convince fools that they were official acts.
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It's unbelievable anyway. But either way, his strategy is locked.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
It's easy. He got he got two notes to hit
and he just got to keep hitting them.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
I'm talking about former President Trump like it's his strategy's
on lock.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
It's easy.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Now all he has to do is just like again,
like what I would imagine he would do is figure
out a way to run for a third time. I
could imagine him trying to figure out a way to
have a third term. And because he was able to
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just really morph this Supreme Court into whatever he wanted,
I could see it happening.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Anyway, so let that be put that in your think
tank for whoever headlines the Democratic Party. That's why bring
up these other artists. It's not that they're not talented,
it's not that they're not brilliant. So anybody I'm about
to bring up right now at that the Democratic Party
is looking at as of today, it's not that they're
not talented. It's not that they may not have a
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shot at this a few years from now. But if
you bought tickets to Frank Ocean, do you think Stephen
Lacy could handle the tour?
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Could he open it?
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Absolutely? It would change his career forever. Matter of fact,
he should open it. But should he headline it. Let's
talk about who we talk about next. Right, we're back
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now the list of the people were talking about. In
a perfect world, let me just talk strategy. In a
perfect world, this is who you run in twenty twenty eight.
Any of these people should be who should be in
the primaries for the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
By this time, they'll be ready. This is just not
the case today. And this is who they talk about. Now.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Remember again, as of today, Joe Biden said, I need
to hear from the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
I need to see the cloud by day to pill
it by night.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I need the archangel Gabriel to Hell Mary full of grace,
me to tap into my room, to split the sky
open and say the Lord told me to drop out.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
That's what he say.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
But the squad is like, hey, bro, you caught a
fade so bad that now the hood's taking ls. So
here's who we think maybe could be the ones. Now
again we just talking strategy here. The first one. So
she's the governor of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Now why her?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Now, remember she was the lady that them weirdo dudes
tried to kidnap and kill her. Y'all remember that a
few years ago that she was there was a whole
plot to kidnap her and tortury kill it at Michigan.
She's in a place where she is articulate. She protected
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abortion rights up there. She's in a place that has
become such a like what they would call like a
battleground state, a place where should have been a shoe
in for somebody like Joe Biden, like, this is tough
as nails, working class at least Detroit is you know
this union town?
Speaker 2 (44:26):
You feel me? So it should have been easy, but
it's not. And Gretchen believes she can deliver.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
She could deliver Michigan. She's she's scoring a lot of
points for the party. And she also just dropped her
book now when they asked her like, hey, so if
Joe steps down, would you be down? She's like nah,
And you know everybody's supposed to say that, Nah, you
just yeah, yeah, I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Everybody's been talking about Gavin Newsom forever that he's a
possibility with his old slick hair back. But he been
He's been caping for Biden for a long time and
caping very hard, and like we say, you know, a
staunchly Democratic state who always wants to smoke when it
comes to debates. He's very good on his feet, he
performs well. Now again, I'm a Cali boys, so I
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have a lot of objections with some choices that mister
Newsom has made, but I feel like he would be
able to continue to keep that smoke up for for
for Donald Trump. But I don't know if he's Frank Ocean.
I think he might still be Stephen Lacey. Give him
a few years, he might be ready. Another one is
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Mayor Pete Mayor Pete Footage. His biggest thing is getting
over that name Bootage. It's just it just don't rull
off the tongue. Unfortunately. Now that's this is me saying
this post Barack Hussein Obama. So there, you never know, right,
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You also have to ask yourself is our country still homophobic?
Just like you got to ask yourself with Sister Gretchen.
You know, Governor Gretchen. Are we still a patriarchal society?
Speaker 2 (46:14):
I mean yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Now Pete's got a little more experienced Pete ran before.
We kind of know what he believes. He's got, the
type of temperament. Could he clap back at Trump in
this fight. I don't know, but I know it seems
like it's real late in the game to change the headliner.
And then finally, the most obvious choice would be Auntie Kamala.
A lot of pros and cons for this one is
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she's already on the bill, She's already been in the
Oval office. Now, granted she's incredibly unliked, But then again,
let's keep it real.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
So is Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Another thing Vice President Kama got going for is she's
been calling for the ceasefire this whole time. She's not
on board with this US, you know, as a nation,
being so complicit in these obvious war crimes being committed
in Gaza.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
So there's that.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
However, again she's able to say that as the vice president,
so in some senses she has cover.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Now would she beat at Bolt as the president?
Speaker 1 (47:29):
I don't know, because again you got to beat the
policy and the figurehead, and we all know vice presidents
don't count. But any of these four people would survive
the next four years. We just don't know if Biden will.
And that's the problem. She would make the most logical choice,
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like I said, because one, she already understands the policy,
she knows the playbook, she can articulate it well. She's
actually off the cuff, pretty funny. And that's what you
kind of need. Remember, you need a position of both.
We could, in some senses, you could put the right
people around a person who don't understand the policies well
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and make them be all right. But the stuff that
you can't train is how she ain't seeing the wheels
on the bus go round and around. Right, was the
weirdest I just ain't never seen. And I know it
don't matter, but the problem is, yes it do. That's
that's what sucks about our system. Stuff that don't matter matters,
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And you can't just replace your headliner now if and
when we stuck with Joe. So here's my advice for
their strategy as a party. My first advice is, you
have this Sarah gets fallback. You have people that stump
for you, that are like, that's our dude, that's our
that's our guy, you know that, come out and say, no,
he's very sharp, he is our man. He's got so
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many years of experience. We're behind him because that feels
like cap because of what we saw.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (49:05):
So since I can't trust none of your surrogates because
I know what I saw, So if it were me,
I would say the first number one step is tell
every sarrogate to just check the tell it to tell
people to just check the scoreboard. Okay, say I'm not
even talking about that. The man can speak for himself.
Let's just look at the scoreboard and then you just
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start running down the scoreboard, right, and then equipped these
people with clips of Joe talking that talk, which means
every chance Joe has to pop out and talk that talk,
he need to talk his talk. It needs to be
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his voice. He needs to own what he did. Yeah,
dog got a bad day, and yeah I'm old, but
so is this nigga. But at least I'm old and
know what I'm talking about. You make sure that when
he so, that's it. So you make sure that every
saraghate knows to say. Joe can speak for himself. All
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I know is the scoreboard, and you start running down
the scoreboard. You start running down all the different wins
that he had, right, the infrastructure stuff, you feel me,
the scheduling of the weed.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
You start talking about the stuff that like should be
really easy to talk about, like, which is how I'm
not a felon. How if I listen, you ain't ask me.
I'm not looking for no governmental I'm not looking for
no presidential immunity. You don't need to because I do
the job well. And also listen, I love my son
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and I'm not gonna bend the courts. He's gonna take
responsibility for his actions.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
I love him.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
He made some horrible choices, and I'm gonna stick by
him all the whole time. He's got a loving, loving
family that will always be by his side no matter
how many mistakes he makes. And I understand how he
fell into that situation, just like a lot of Americans
who have fallen to opioid to who have fallen into drugs,
especially after going through such traumatic experiences, have If you've
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experienced lost the way my son experienced lost, man, you
know who among us wouldn't make you know? And we
all have family that have have made, you know, bad
choices in coping with tragedy that's beyond our imagination. It's
my son, and he's gonna have to deal with the
consequences of his choices, and I'm gonna be by his
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side the whole time.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
But I can't.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
I can't save him from his choices. I'm not gonna
lie for him, and he wouldn't want me to. He's
going to rehab, he's gonna he's gonna get himself better.
But he's also not running for president.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Easy enough to me.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
I don't have to turn myself into a pretzel to
try to explain away. January sixth, because again, if we
talk about what we saw you saying, believe your eyes
about me, believe your eyes about him. I don't understand
what y'all like. Blee your eyes about that. Like that
man told you who he is. You switch this object,
like what is we talking about? Whether Joe old or not?
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Of course he owed, but check the scoreboard.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
The man delivers. That's what you say.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
You start talking about his wisdom, and then Joe when
you pop out. Listen, here's how you coach this man
short answers, because it's when he starts to try to
fumble and explain something super complex, that's when he starts
losing his train of thought.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Short answers. Listen.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
I have done many a media training and I know
and I know that things will get chopped up. They're
gonna take a clip and you're gonna chop it up,
and pending on whether these people like me or not,
they gonna chop it up in a way that makes
me look either good or bad.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
So you make sure your answers are as.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
Short as possible, sweet as possible, and as concise as possible.
And you got to cure if you the team, you
got to curate that right, You got to make him
watch make him watch tapes. You feel me like like
we ween training right now, and just make him watch
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tapes of when Trump is talking and how to cut
him off and what to cut him off about. Remember
that a few weeks ago I gave y'all an example
about when Trump was asked about childcare and helping to
pay for that. He went off on the fact that
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Joe has never fired nobody. That should have been your
green light. So after he had his two minutes to talk,
all you have to do Joe is say, hey, I
was just waiting for.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Him to answer the question. He ain't answered the question,
so well, here's my answer. Then you give your answer,
which is about I told you in the other example.
You tell him.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
You tell him about you tell him about your plans
to hire minimum wage and the lower taxes for the
middle class because that health childcare costs so much because
you're not making enough and we're taxing you too, hide
so it's impossible. Plus the cost of health care is insane.
I'm trying to take all that off y'all's plates. And
if I took health care off your plates, you have
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to pay for that. If you don't have to pay
so much in taxes, and your childcare, even at the
price it's at now, would be affordable because you make
it more and it's not going out to stuff that
you shouldn't be having to pay for anyway. As a
matter of fact, you shouldn't have to pay for childcare anyway.
If you can't, we got money as the government, because again,
the budget is a moral document. You we're saying what
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we value, and what I'm trying to say is in
the Biden administration, we value our children. We value our families,
who value our children, We'll spend on that. But this
is to talk about who you're gonna fire or not,
Like I don't even know what you're talking about. You've
got like do y'all want to let him answer? Like,
go ahead and answer, this is my answer. Now, I
don't know what his plan is because he ain't told
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us that. I mean, like, then you just you put
the onus on him. Joe always on defense whenever they
talk the idea that like don't even acknowledge it, just
you acknowledge it in a way to make it look silly. Right,
So then as he talking about like the border, the border,
the border, the border. You know these people, these people
they stealing, they stealing, they stealing. It's like then you go, hey, homie,
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you're like a you only got one note, bro, Like
you think all the problems of America goes back to
the border.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Is that's your answer to everything? Is the border.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
That's the problem with everything, every everybody. So that's all right, man,
And then you say that seems pretty simple to me.
I found that this job is rather complicated and the
border is one of many things that we could do
better in. But if you just want to blame all
your problems on immigrants, I mean, I know somebody that
did that before.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
You just let it. You just let it, let it,
let it linger, let it linger, baby, and you just
don't get into it. And you say like, hey, so
so that's your answer, and then you start teasing it like, hey,
my answer is this.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
I know his answer is his answer is the border.
You know what I'm saying. So, like, let me tell
you what he gonna say. He gonna say the border.
You just trolling because that's all you say. Right like
I said before, whenever another question come up, you're gonna say, well,
I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I tell
you one thing, I know Trump gonna say, he gonna
say it's not his fault.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
He gonna say it's to everybody else's fault. You just
be wise and then tell the.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
Sarah Gates to be like, look at the scoreboard. And
then when they say, well, mister Biden, what is your answer, Well,
here's my answer. My answer is what we've already done.
It's what I'm in the middle of working all right now, scoreboard.
And then if you, Joe, you say, here's where we
messed up. Here's where we're gonna do better next time.
Here's what I'm gonna do to assuay y'all's concern about
my age. These are the people I'm bringing around me.
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I'm bringing some fresh breath around me and some fresh lung,
some good knees. I'm gonna bring some good knees around me.
And this is what we're gonna do. I'm gonna bring
my wisdom, and I'm gonna bring their youth, and we're
gonna make the most amazing cabinet ever.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
That's just like it seems so easy to me. That's
what you would say. You own it.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
Yeah, I'm the youngest dude. You know what I'm saying,
but I'm gonna bring a lot of wisdom. Now, you
look at these people around me. You see these young
folks out here, You see these sparks. Then you start
naming these people that are supposed to be the next up.
I'm talking to Gavin, I'm talking to Gretchen, and I'm
talking to Kamala like I'm talking to these people like I'm.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
Letting them tell me like this ain't This ain't a
one man show.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
Unlike this food. Don't want you to believe it. It's
not a one man show. I'm here for the team.
I know more around weaknesses are. That's why I hire
people that are good in the places that I need
some help. And where I need some help is my
bedtime ten thirty. Y'all make the joke about it, just
own it's since you're not.
Speaker 2 (57:43):
Gonna step down, that's the type of trash you need
to start talking. Now.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
If we're going back to the headliner show thing, then
yo two hour performance need to be an hour and
fifteen performance, and they need to be your greatest hits.
And you need to know to go sit down before
you start looking tired. This is only if you stay it.
You could be like, I'm too old for this, Let's
let the young things do it. But since you're not
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gonna do it, I get it. But at the end
of the day, the party is in a position where
even if you wanted to one of the hardest things
in the world, after you'dne sold all these tickets and
built all these billboards and made all them flyers switching
out headliners. Now, on the other hand, it could go
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where the crowd is actually proud of you. The crowd
is like, I'm glad, y'all, not thank you.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
Like we see it. Nobody wants to.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
See their stars lose a step. I don't want to see.
I don't want to see Beyonce that cane dance. I
don't want to see. I don't want to see it.
I want to remember her how I remember her so
so if you tell me, hey, look man, she can't
y'all gonna she can't do it, man, But she has
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hand picked the person. Like, think how powerful that is.
If Beyonce is like, I am handpicking the person these
three I would be so cool if any of these
three people. If she say I'll be down, I'll be down.
If loudo I'll be down. If Megan, I'll be down.
If Janey, Iiko, Jasmine Sulliman her, I'd be cool. If
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any of them came through, I.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
Would definitely buy them tickets. I don't know the slow Curl.
Speaker 1 (59:28):
If Billie Eilish, I'd be I would co sign any
of these ladies to come take care of it.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
This. Are they icon Queen Bays? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
But you know what if she was like, my knees
can't do it no more, and she said she'd be
cool with that, I think the crowd might be cool
with it.
Speaker 2 (59:47):
Or and of course you gonna lose. You gonna lose.
Speaker 1 (59:50):
People don't want their money back because that's not what
they paid for, you know. But some people might be like, hey,
I'm gonna keep supporting you because you did the right thing.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I don't know. I can't tell the future.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
I don't know what they've done, but I know this.
It's gonna be an ugly few months politics. All right, now,
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Call Zone Media. Okay, hmm yeah, what a what a
boring weekend?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Am I? Right? H nothing? Wow? Uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
What would have been me sitting down, as is my practice,
to just record on Mondays to stay ahead of the game.
Would be just me sitting here to record an episode
about the Supreme Court changes, which will clearly come in
play in a second. I am now recording a re
(00:48):
introduction to this show because of some breaking head ass news.
Apparently Trump is now confersd sing fifty cent songs.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Many men they don't the little white boy took the shot.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
And I'm telling you, I was cracking funny on the internet,
but I tell you what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
People was even sending me screenshots.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Black people's first thought was, I hope the shooter ain't black.
Y'all don't understand what we have gone through in this country.
I just hope the shooter ain't black. That's just please
don't be black. My own boy Fi Sean was like,
I just hope he ain't Muslim, you know, And it's
just like y'all don't understand. It's and since he a
(01:36):
little white boy, we're gonna watch y'all just take care
of this boy with some soft gloves. Anyway, all that
to say, I'm was still run this episode about the
one you were about to hear about the Democrats trying
to change their headliner and how you know you're just
It's not as easy as switching out Broken Leg Beyonce
(01:59):
with Solange, because we love Solange, but she's just not Bae. Now,
if I bought tickets to see Solange, that'd be different.
I'd be excited about that, But I bought tickets to
see back. But do I really want to see Broken
Leg not dancing, missed the step for got lyrics, Bae,
No fam, I'm gonna want my money back unless Bay says, Hey,
(02:23):
I'm gonna step down from this because I know I'm not.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, here's who I'm handing this show to.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Don't you think that will push her queendom even further
into the stratosphere That she was even humble enough to
step down when she needed to, and she passed a
baton to one of these young shooters, one of these
young ladies to become the new queen.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But if she was too just.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Too prideful to like walk away from it, wonder what
that would do for her legacy anyway, that's what you're
about to hear. So listen to that intro and then
I'm come back into It's like this, and we're gonna good.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Lord Almighty, we're gonna talk.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I'm recording this episode running the risk that it's going
to be completely outdated by the time it comes out,
but I want to go on record saying this is
July eighth, and I'm trying to put y'all on game
about it. I'm gonna try to pick people from various
genres and eras to try to prove this point, and
(03:51):
I think as I build up these examples, you'll understand
the point I'm trying to make. Do you know who
Dice row is? Okay, Murphy Lee? Do you know who
Lloyd Banks is? How about Earl Sweatshirt? Do you know who?
How about party next Door? Do you know who? I'll
(04:12):
give you an easy one. You know who Kelly Rowland is?
Y'all know Isaiah Rashad. Maybe I can do some sports ones.
Y'all know who all y'all who knows sports? This might
be easy for you, but that is my point. Do
you know who Robert Oriy is? Shane Battier a little
more current D'Angelo Russell. All these people have something in
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common that will become much more abundantly clear later. These
people I'm mentioning are incredibly talented. But before I bring
that in, I want to take y'all back to Camp
Flognaw in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Because of current moments in culture, this may not hit
the way it would have if we were having this
discussion in like January or February, but we're not, so
just stick with me. You have to go back to
twenty nineteen now. Camp Vlagnaw is a California music festival
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put on by Tyler the creator and in connection with
like the Odd Future crew that he's a part of. Now,
you may or may not know, but one of the
persons I brought up.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Earlier is a member of Odd Future. This is Earl Sweatshirt.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Earl Sweatshirt is an incredible artist, Stephen Lacey. I wish
I knew he's a part of Odd Future. These are
all members of this amazing, amazing collective. Now, I would
venture to say that even with Stephen Lacy's moment in culture,
and I don't say moment in the sense of minimizing it,
(05:53):
and I'm saying it in the sense of it's new
right that he's very much poised to be if everything
goes well, the next sort of wave to come out
of that collective that we all knew was started by Tyler, Right.
Tyler was the leader of this movement of artists and
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has given us a number of music, one for which
is going to be the subject of this example. Now,
in twenty nineteen, Vlognaw sells thousands and thousands, tens of
thousands of tickets to this festival that he puts on.
But this year the headliner was a surprise. In twenty nineteen,
and most people were hoping, believing, praying that the headliner
(06:40):
would be another member of odd future, Frank Ocean. Now
maybe you may or may not know, Frank Ocean is.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
A part of this collective.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
And my point about Stephen Lacy is, should everything go well,
it's not that he could be the next Frank Ocean,
but he could be the next wave you know of
the type of stardom that Frank has given us from
the same collective, and it's Stephen Lacey's a very talented
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young man. Now, Tyler and Frank Ocean have their own
individual star power, which is a testament to how good
of a leader Tyler is.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But yeah, they're crew.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
So the people kind of whipped themselves up into a
frenzy as to believing that because Frank ain't popped out
in a while and because of their relationship, and this
was the expectation. Essentially, even without anybody telling them that
it was official or not, these people bought tickets to
see Frank Ocean. This is what I signed up for.
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It was a surprise, but this is what I signed
up for. And there's no way Tyler didn't know. Right now,
as the festival goes on, I mean, Staples is that, like,
it was just the most amazing, amazing thing, incredible, incredible,
incredible festival.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And when the.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Headliner finally pops out, it was none other than the
Canadian boy Drake. Now, this is twenty nineteen Drake. Okay,
this isn't twenty twenty four Drake, who is now Jah rule?
This is two thousand nineteen Drake, the top of the world, Okay.
And the crowd booed him and they listen, listen, this
(08:28):
is pre Kendrick destruction. Like you have to remember this
top of the world, Drake, This is an onna. This
is can't lose hit after hit after hit. Drake, this
is untouchable. This is stratosphere Drake. They booed him and
they boot him, partially because it's not that Drake isn't
that guy, it's they wanted Frank right.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
And the lesson to.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Anybody, even though you didn't even announce it, the lesson
to anyone is you can't just switch headliners. And I
don't care how dysfunctional your headliner is, you can't just
switch them out.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It's really not that easy.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
We have to figure out what the Democrats are going
to do hood politics, y'all. All right, welcome back. I
don't know, like I said, what, I can't tell the future.
(09:29):
I don't know what they actually did, but I do
want to talk about this as a strategy. So depending
on what happened, either take this as I told y'all,
or this must be how they thought about it.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
But before I get into that, it like.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
This bull look is like this.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Bull look is like this, well, look it's like this.
Somebody then shot at Trump a.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Real deal, whole, actual factual assassin attempt. Now, I'm sure
at this moment in time, there is no particulars you
not necessarily familiar with. And probably because I'm recording this
a few days before this comes out, there's probably gonna
be some new information that I, as right now don't know,
But I tell you what, there are things to consider
(10:24):
that have to do with political science, street politics that
I think could help you interpret this moment right now.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Let's first talk about the political science.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Remember that our presidents have been assassinated before, notwithstanding the
attempt to take out Reagan, you know, which some would
argue shot him into the stratosphere. But point being, first
thing you need to understand is that political violence is
as old as politics itself. It's always been there. We
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are not in a particular moment that has not been
deep thoroughly researched. That there are decades, multiple thousands of
pages of research about the moment America's in right now
and how you get to these moments, and there's examples everywhere,
(11:15):
and it doesn't obviously, it doesn't happen overnight. These staunch
political divisions that we have have been usually and historically
stoked by some sort of autocrat, right wing or left
wing that usually comes from a financial instability or a
deep seated feeling of superiority towards another group, a group
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that had been vilified. Now in everybody of research, when
at least in Western countries, in western white countries, your
first sign that you got a problem is bored, young,
disenfranchised white boys.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
This is just what the research shows.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Do you know when America started the Boys Out of America,
the YMCA, and of course all of these things are
boys and girls club, right, that used to be called
the boys club. These come, These came from a body
of research in nineteen nineteen that was saying boys are
bored and they're getting into mischief and they don't know
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how to have character. No more white boys. Just I'm
just saying, this is just our history. White boys begetting radicalized.
This is I'm talking about again, white dominant Western countries,
Nazi movement.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Y'all know.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Look, it was just bored, angry, disenfranchised white boys. This
is what happens, man, Them little white boys get bored
and riled up. It's just it's Look, this is the research.
The economic wealth gap, the feeling of being left out
from you know, society. A society moves on and becomes
(12:51):
more equal. When did Kennedy gets shot? When was Malcolm
X's shot. When was Martin Luther King shot when we
were reaching I just look, I don't and listen. All
over the world, no political wing has cornered the market
on stoking or receiving or being both A and B
(13:14):
on political violence assassinations.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Nobody's got a corner on this.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
But I will say this authoritarianism and lead those that
lead to it have a higher chance of these moments
happening in their culture. That's just I mean, it's just
the research. Man. You can look at the work of
Robert Putnam, he talks about these particular things. You can
look at the work of Daniel Ziebat and Stephen Levinsky.
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They're the authors of this book called How Democracies Die
in Tyranny of the Minority, which is.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
A whole other talk.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
We need to talk about that, like how some of
this stuff gets ratcheted up, but essentially, like the tyranny
of the minority is the idea that like keep in mind,
Trump has never won the popular vote. He's never actually
we never actually chose him. It was always through the
electoral college in our House.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And in our Senate.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
These extremely right wing policies that have been passed really
only represent thirty percent of our population, and they're the
ones running things, the courts, So it's a minority of
the people, right, Because the reality is this, people really
don't like Donald Trump the numbers game, He's deeply unliked.
(14:29):
But the oversized power and authority to push their choices
onto people's the tyranny of the minority.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Now keep in mind, I'm gonna keep it real.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
That's the way the right felt during the eighties and
nineties when we was passing stuff like I don't know,
quality stuff, right. So the point I'm trying to make
is that's one way to think about how a country
gets here. There is an actual index that rates countries
democracies in terms of their health. Now, granted, I mean,
(15:01):
how exact can this science be, but it's the tools
we use to be able to rubric if we wield
to be like, yo, are we own or not?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Right?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
And you score it on a scale of one to
one hundred. Now our score dropped about ten points recently.
The points the points scale, it's silly and arbitrary. That's
not what I'm bringing up. What I'm bringing up is
what these experts who study democracies around the world try
to tell you is signs of warning, signs signs of unhealth,
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one of which is the peaceful transfer of power and
the lack of confidence in your electoral process. When people
feel like their choices aren't heard, When people feel like
their elections aren't protected or safe. When you question the
legitimacy of the entire institution, your institution is probably on
(15:54):
the verge of falling. Our democracy is unwell. Now, your
boy is not an institutionalist. I wrote a whole book
called terror Form, which has to do it like tearing
the old shit down and starting over. So I'm not
an institutionalist, but I'm a realist. And honestly, black people,
people of colored since day one, was trying to tell y'all,
y'all building this shaky, this likes this is not well.
(16:18):
Like y'all not well, and you have not been willing
to go back and fix the problems. You just you're
like silly landlords to just rather than fixing holes, you
just paint over them like you can't just.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
It's all bad. And when empires start.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Falling, they grab onto the one guy that says, don't
worry about it, I got it. I'll fix it because
it makes you feel safe. And what he got to
do to do that is he got to create enemies
out of everybody else. This is gonna make violence. I
just don't want us to tell you now. Switching my
hat from a geopolitical teacher to a tour guy through
(16:56):
the hood fam, it's the same.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Bruh. You can't y'all ratcheted up to talk. Y'all was
talking that talk. You y'all talk to gang talk.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
You talk like you not civilians, like you got them
things and you ready to shoot, and you when you
stand on business, and when you stand on business, somebody
gonna test your jaw. If I feel like you messing
up the game, you ruin in the plays were trying
to run. If I feel like you fraudulent in a
certain way, I feel like you putting the block in danger. Listen,
Blame is not the discussion. And we not talking about blaming,
(17:27):
because who do you blame when the gang start Like,
what do you mean blame? This goes back too far.
There's too many grievances. Everybody's said things that they weren't
supposed to be said. Now, when you get somebody that's
really talking that tough talk, it's what I just don't
understand what you understand. You can't talk that tough talk.
(17:47):
When you talk that tough talk, somebody gonna think you
a tough guy. And if you a tough guy, shake
it off.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
You'll be all right.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
And the words of camraon niggas get shot every day,
you tough, right, you be all right. It's just this
is just what be happening. Everybody talk like this the
end of the world. If we don't fix it, well,
somebody gonna try to fix it.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Now. It feels very.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Special right now because it's been it's been decades, unless
you count Nagcy Pelosi's husband, right, but either way, it's
just been a long time since something like this happened.
And lucky for Trump grazed his ear and now he
gets to again sing fifty cent songs many men, you know,
he gets to make his old his full get rich
(18:32):
or die drying record with his mouth kind of wired
shut a little bit because he got shot in the mouth.
You feel me like y'all. He's turned this man into
a superhero bro As of right now, the conspiracy theories,
like I said on the social media's, are about to
be outlandish now in a world where AI abounds and
(18:53):
deep fakes and misinformation. Y'all gotta slow, y'all roll, Keep
your theories to your group text because you don't want
sounds super dumb or cause another shooting because you out
here spouting off stuff. You don't know what you're talking
about anyway you feel me, So that's the game I'm
gonna give you right there, like keep.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Your little keep your little conspira, keep keep it to
the group text.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Send the memes to the group text you feel me
right or directly to me because I listen, I'm black.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I'll be laughing at pain. I get it. We crack jokes.
You understand how we process stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I highly suggest that you keep your head about you
about these conspiracy theories. Next thing I say is about
Trump's instincts that fools Antennas to be like, I'm gonna
throw my fist up right now with the blood streaking
down my ears, like demand nobody know TV better than
this man.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I'd like it. Listen.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Remember I told y'all, if he was able to shake
off these things, I would have to be like, you
know what respect do? And I mean he was in
the middle of shaking off all the all types of
acceptance of repercussions. He was finished shake off all of
repercussions for his fraudulent false choices, one of which comes
in play right now. So let's just pretend like Biden
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was about that life and called for this shooting. As
of last week, he would be immune anyway, because as
an official presidential act that's covered in privilege, you can't
even bring no evidence in according to the Supreme Court.
Look like my mama say, don't write a check with
your mouth. Your booty can't cash you love. Listen, I'm
(20:31):
just saying, this is the law that y'all.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Y'all just passed.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
The law just now for a type of immunity that's
covered under the executive branch.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So what you do official acts?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
And Chief Justice Soda Mayor told y'all that you green
lighten people.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Now I'm not saying obviously, I'm not saying Joe did this.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
No. I love my share of conspiracy theories, but I
tell you what, this one would be lame. I like
the idea of people saying it was stage it kind
of like, okay, this is what I mean. Like, like,
y'aslo keep that in your group text. Maybe have your
little angles and do your thing. But all I'm saying
is tie the politics together. Thanks to the Supreme Court,
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even if it was Joe, because of your work, you
couldn't prosecute him anyway. Yeah, good going, bro, Next time
think about your actions, right, sird. Anyway, as of the
time you hearing this, Trump then already stood up in
the RNC and got his crown. Unless another shooter don't miss,
(21:39):
then that's probably what's happening in two days ago from
the day that this dropped. And at the end of
the day, there's no other there's no other way to
explain this that Like, one, this might have sealed the
deal for him to be in office. Two, well, now
(22:01):
none of his crimes matter in the eyes of the public,
which is why a lot of people think this might
have mistakes. And three, we need to brace ourselves for
the wildest of the next five years. Part of why
I feel pretty confident that we're gonna have another four
years of this man is because of the rest of
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the episode.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
You about to eat bull gets like bully gets like this.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
All right now, overall, there's a there's a point I'm
gonna make here, and then I'm gonna talk about, uh who,
at least as of this moment July eighth, who the
Democrats are thinking about, and then what strategy I would
deploy if it was like, we're not gonna we're not
(23:10):
gonna be able to switch out this headliner, headliner being
if you ain't figured it out, Joe Biden. But back
to this camp flognaw thing. Tyler holds such a special
place in hip hop and specifically la and hip hop
in the sense that like this, like nerd rap is
(23:31):
a thing, right, that's your like logics of the world,
but his nerd rap is a.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I don't know how to say it except that it's
it's white, like it's just I don't know how to
explain it.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Tyler comes from a left of center, but he's very
West Coast. It's very creative, it's he's a brilliant artist,
but he's also like like your nigga, you know what
I'm saying, but yeh nigga in a sense that, like
most of Los Angeles is where we're not all meet
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the whoops, which was why it was so beautiful that
they included Tyler and Stephen Lacy at the PopOut.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I'll remember again Stephen Lacy from Compton, So it.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Was very important that these types of other sides of
California were also represented. And to give this man his flowers,
Tyler been putting on for La for a long long time,
and let me take a moment to give my boy
mersus flowers who used to run Paid Dues, who put
odd future on the Pay Dues Festival, which actually helped
(24:42):
push them forward. So the lineage is beautiful and out
of that collective, like I said, you have Comedy Central songs,
you have one of the Despicable Me tracks, right, and
you have a person mentioned earlier, Earl Sweatshirt, a person
(25:07):
mentioned a group, a group called the Internet.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You have sid you have.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Taco, you have Frank Ocean, you have Stephen Lacy. Tyler
has made this collective that has drawn in this world
of like artists, kids like weirdo kids. So that's why
I was like, it's not necessarily nerd, it's just weirdo.
(25:36):
Like we're just not just the not popular as in
pop culture, but not gangbanging, but we just we like
what we like. And the crowd reception of Tyler and
Stephen at the pop out was proof that, like most
of us are like this.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, so in Tyler's mind it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
He's like and even rapped about it before, and then
he tweeted about it the next day how he was
embarrassed how the crowd treated Drake. He was like, I thought,
if I broke bread to bring in the biggest artist
in the world, that y'all would be cool about it.
But y'all embarrassed me, straight booing this man from the stage.
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But them kids don't care. It didn't matter the stratosphere ability,
and of course everybody calmed down as the show went on,
But the stratosphere ability.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Of the artists made no difference.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
If we signed up for Frank Ocean, you signed up
for Frank Ocean. Now, I'm gonna go back into the
examples I gave you before. Kelly Rowland was a member
of Destiny's Child. Now, if you bought the Beyonce tickets
and Beyonce got sick, are you trying to see Kelly
Rowland show?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Now? Does that have.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Any bearing on whether Kelly Rowland is an incredibly talented
artist with hits all her own. It makes no bearing
of it. We signed up for Beyonce. What if Beyonce
broke her leg. You gonna you're gonna take broke What
if Beyonce was eighty nine years old, you gonna take
(27:27):
you gonna take a broke Beyonce?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Right, so.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I mentioned earl sweatshirt. If you bought a Tyler the
Creator ticket and Tyler got laryngitis, do you cancel the
show or do you bring in earl sweatshirt? It's not
that easy, is the point I'm trying to make. Murphy
Lee was a member of the same Lunatics. So if
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you wanted to see Nelly, you're gonna settle for Murphy
Lee Dicera as a member of the Roots. You want
to see you going to the Roots picnic and black
Thought isn't feeling well. If you're the promoter, do you
cancel the show? If you're looking at if you went
(28:19):
to the rehearsals and you saw your headliner, you saw
you saw beyond. You saw her struggle through her routines,
you barely get her words out, You saw her mess
up song lyrics. Now, obviously I can't see this ever happening,
but just follow my example. You see that like she
(28:44):
ain't got this, she don't how to step sheet. But
you done, already sold all the tickets, her posts, her
name on every poster. You done bought the billboards, You
done bought the commercial spots. I brought up Isaiah Rashad,
Isaiah Rashad's and member of TDE. He was one of
the first acts that they signed after Black Hippie was
(29:05):
all signed. He was one of the first ones they
added to the roster. He fit perfectly. But if you
bought a Kendrick Lamar ticket, do you want to see
Isaiah Rashad? Does that mean he's not talented? It has
nothing to do with his talent. It means it's not
what we signed up for. And even if Kendrick had
lost his mind, you bought a Kendrick ticket. Now, if
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you're the promoter, a lot is riding on this. You
can't just switch out headliners. I have been on a
tour where the supporting act got switched out the week before.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
With someone who I would argue is of equal or.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Might be greater talent. That it matters now y'all signed
up for. It just causes chaos. So what do you
do if you're the promoter? Because it's not that simple.
You can't just switch the headliner as you as the buyer,
That's what I'm asking these questions. If you're the buyer,
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you bought a ticket to see Beyonce, and if Beyonce
is not coming, and they just add some are you
still gonna go to the concert? He's like, gosh, man,
my three hundred dollars, but you spend your three hundred
dollars to see her. What you probably gonna do.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Is sit it out. And I don't know who you
could possibly put in her place? And again, do you
have to go? How do you go higher? Like if
we're talking like who's higher than who's higher than Beyonce?
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Like what do you do? Your hope is to get
somebody younger? What do you do?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
And I say this to say this is the position
that the Democratic Party finds their self in now. To
keep this metaphor going is to say that you knew
good and well Beyonce wasn't ready for this tour. I'm
I'm just saying if it was that, and but if
she was insistent, like I'm doing this, but all of
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us can tell huh, Like let's just say this is
twenty thirty four, Beyonce, I don't know, you know what
I'm saying like she don't. I'm just the point I'm
trying to make is it's very obvious that she's Queen
Bay and nobody taking that from her. It's just maybe
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maybe this ain't Joe moment.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I but what are you gonna do? Well? Joe Biden
had a.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Abysmal performance at the first debate. Now, when I say performance,
I say that word on purpose because okay, now here's
your here's your here's your political theory. Here. In a
lot of countries you have a lot of like modern democracies,
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you have a president and a prime minister. Right, the
president is more figurehead. The prime minister does the work, right,
the actual running of a government, President prime minister. In
the UK you have the Queen, well now the king
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and then the prime minister. The prime minister does the work.
These are two different people. What's unique about America is
and other countries that are like this, they are those
two roles are one person. You are the figurehead and
the administrator. You have to be able to do both.
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It's the equivalent to the think of like the guitar whiz,
the musician, the band that just loves music so much
that when you go see them play. They're really not
paying you no attention. They're actually enjoying themselves. The performer
that turns their back and it's just like vibing with
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the band. I mean, it's cool, it sounds amazing, it's
technically sounds amazing, But was it a good show? Because
it's like I wasn't a part of it. I'm not
a part of it. You're not even paying me any attention.
The crowds just the crowd could be there or not there.
You just love the music, which, if you're into that,
that's amazing. Then on the other hand, you have a
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person who's remarkably entertaining. If you ask a Latina that
you're j LO, there's a civil war among Latin women
about how they feel about j LO. You either love
her or hate her. I'm gonna argue which part of
the Latin community is. It depends on if Selena is
your patent saint, because if Selena is your patron saint,
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then you're sort of offended that JLO played her.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Out of anyway.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
The point I'm trying to bake is it's no secret
that Jennifer Lopez don't have the greatest voice, but she
is a remarkable performer. She's an incredible entertainer. There's no
other way around it. She's an incredible entertainer. It's a
pretty mid singer. It's just apparently I'm learning now that
that's the Alicia Keyes story. I felt like she was
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a great singer.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
But how what do I know? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
The point is in America, you have to be able
to do both. You have to be a great musician
and a great performer in terms of following my metaphor
in terms of being the president. So Biden's performance had
very little to do. That's why I say performance as
very little dude with the substance of what he was
trying to say. Now, this is not me again, I've
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said it many times. It's not me being a Biden
stand This is me saying that in a lot of times,
in a lot of scenarios, I got what he was
trying to say because of his track record of like ups.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
And downs and goods and bads and.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Abysmal policies and also incredible policies that have benefited our
country in ways that no one and especially him, has
been able to articulate. He couldn't get the words out.
The problem is you have to be able to do both.
You have to be able to actually know the policy
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and perform. Which is why my argument between the two
of Trump and Biden is Donald Trump's an incredible performer.
He just don't know what he's talking about.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Or when he is talking. He lied like.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Your policies are trash, even the ones that are that
you're gloating as wins, like that's the inflation you talking about,
It was.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Because of your policies.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
So I'm just saying, if you're gonna get into the
weeds of the policies, Trump can articulate bad policies. Well,
now having said that about old Trumpy, I am calling
some of these bad policies only because I disagree with him.
They may not necessarily be air quotes bad. I just
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don't agree with that direction.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
So let me just say that. And then some of
the stuff is like I don't know, gee, you lost
your mind.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
You gotta be able to do both. Why was Barack
Obama what he was was because he could do both.
Now I have some strong issues with a good number
of his policies, of course, but he carried the position, well,
you gotta get you one to do both. It is
abundantly clear to the Democratic Party that mister Biden can't
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do both right now. As a matter of fact, according
to the people that ain't willing to say it with
their whole chest, people going off record, people not willing
to stand on business, they saying it with part of
their chess is that he's getting less and less lucid
as time goes on. And these people are afraid of
saying it out loud, but they all whispering it. There's
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been about four people that have said it out loud
that it's like, I think it's time for us to
switch our headline. And I hope they're saying it understanding
the risk that that is a risk that's very obvious
to you who's listening, which is, how do you convince
people who already purchase their ticket to not just sit
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it out because it looks like you don't know what
you're talking about. Who do you put in place that
makes people that have already bought their ticket soonoper excited
about the person you bringing in, which is why I
bring up Dice Raw.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
That's an incredible rapper.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
He's not black thought, But you have to convince people
that only know the roots based on Jimmy fallon that
Dice raws you'll do. You have to convince people that
Murphy Lee can rap his tail. You have to convince
people that Lloyd Banks can wrap his tail off because
fifty cent is too drunk to perform. Oh yeah, because
Lloyd Banks was a member of g Unit. So you
have to convince them. I know, because I love hip hop,
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but I also know most of y'all don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
So who do you bring? You need somebody that is half.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Joe's age, understands the policy and has a big enough
back to put the country on their shoulders in this situation.
Nobody knows if it's really enough, If the disgust and
the fear of another four years of Donald Trump, if
that's an enough I'm saying this again as a democratic strategist,
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is this enough to get people out? And what it's
showing is it's not for two reasons, one Gaza.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
And two The one thing you had to prove is
not that you're smarter or more integral than Trump. You
just had to prove that you could last for four years,
that you could get a sentence out. And it didn't
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prove it. And there's not a surrogate in the world
that could convince people. It's got to be Joe. It's
got to be. You have to prove it. The hate vote,
the vote against Trump or the vote for Biden is
the question that they're kind of writing on. But is
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it Is it enough? And I don't know, because again.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
I think it's very important to remember that the people
that love Trump are just very loud.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
But it's it's not a lot of them like he.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
It's it just seems like he has more fans than
he does because his fans are so loyal. And the
fact that again he can bend reality because apparently he's
completely immune for any other actions he's done because he
was able to convince fools that they were official acts.
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It's unbelievable anyway. But either way, his strategy is locked.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
It's easy. He got he got two notes to hit
and he just got to keep hitting them.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
I'm talking about former President Trump like it's his strategy's
on lock.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
It's easy.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Now all he has to do is just like again,
like what I would imagine he would do is figure
out a way to run for a third time. I
could imagine him trying to figure out a way to
have a third term. And because he was able to
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just really morph this Supreme Court into whatever he wanted,
I could see it happening.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Anyway, so let that be put that in your think
tank for whoever headlines the Democratic Party. That's why bring
up these other artists. It's not that they're not talented,
it's not that they're not brilliant. So anybody I'm about
to bring up right now at that the Democratic Party
is looking at as of today, it's not that they're
not talented. It's not that they may not have a
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shot at this a few years from now. But if
you bought tickets to Frank Ocean, do you think Stephen
Lacy could handle the tour?
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Could he open it?
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Absolutely? It would change his career forever. Matter of fact,
he should open it. But should he headline it. Let's
talk about who we talk about next. Right, we're back
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now the list of the people were talking about. In
a perfect world, let me just talk strategy. In a
perfect world, this is who you run in twenty twenty eight.
Any of these people should be who should be in
the primaries for the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
By this time, they'll be ready. This is just not
the case today. And this is who they talk about. Now.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Remember again, as of today, Joe Biden said, I need
to hear from the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
I need to see the cloud by day to pill
it by night.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I need the archangel Gabriel to Hell Mary full of grace,
me to tap into my room, to split the sky
open and say the Lord told me to drop out.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
That's what he say.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
But the squad is like, hey, bro, you caught a
fade so bad that now the hood's taking ls. So
here's who we think maybe could be the ones. Now
again we just talking strategy here. The first one. So
she's the governor of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Now why her?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Now, remember she was the lady that them weirdo dudes
tried to kidnap and kill her. Y'all remember that a
few years ago that she was there was a whole
plot to kidnap her and tortury kill it at Michigan.
She's in a place where she is articulate. She protected
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abortion rights up there. She's in a place that has
become such a like what they would call like a
battleground state, a place where should have been a shoe
in for somebody like Joe Biden, like, this is tough
as nails, working class at least Detroit is you know
this union town?
Speaker 2 (44:26):
You feel me? So it should have been easy, but
it's not. And Gretchen believes she can deliver.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
She could deliver Michigan. She's she's scoring a lot of
points for the party. And she also just dropped her
book now when they asked her like, hey, so if
Joe steps down, would you be down? She's like nah,
And you know everybody's supposed to say that, Nah, you
just yeah, yeah, I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Everybody's been talking about Gavin Newsom forever that he's a
possibility with his old slick hair back. But he been
He's been caping for Biden for a long time and
caping very hard, and like we say, you know, a
staunchly Democratic state who always wants to smoke when it
comes to debates. He's very good on his feet, he
performs well. Now again, I'm a Cali boys, so I
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have a lot of objections with some choices that mister
Newsom has made, but I feel like he would be
able to continue to keep that smoke up for for
for Donald Trump. But I don't know if he's Frank Ocean.
I think he might still be Stephen Lacey. Give him
a few years, he might be ready. Another one is
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Mayor Pete Mayor Pete Footage. His biggest thing is getting
over that name Bootage. It's just it just don't rull
off the tongue. Unfortunately. Now that's this is me saying
this post Barack Hussein Obama. So there, you never know, right,
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You also have to ask yourself is our country still homophobic?
Just like you got to ask yourself with Sister Gretchen.
You know, Governor Gretchen. Are we still a patriarchal society?
Speaker 2 (46:14):
I mean yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Now Pete's got a little more experienced Pete ran before.
We kind of know what he believes. He's got, the
type of temperament. Could he clap back at Trump in
this fight. I don't know, but I know it seems
like it's real late in the game to change the headliner.
And then finally, the most obvious choice would be Auntie Kamala.
A lot of pros and cons for this one is
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she's already on the bill, She's already been in the
Oval office. Now, granted she's incredibly unliked, But then again,
let's keep it real.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
So is Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Another thing Vice President Kama got going for is she's
been calling for the ceasefire this whole time. She's not
on board with this US, you know, as a nation,
being so complicit in these obvious war crimes being committed
in Gaza.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
So there's that.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
However, again she's able to say that as the vice president,
so in some senses she has cover.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Now would she beat at Bolt as the president?
Speaker 1 (47:29):
I don't know, because again you got to beat the
policy and the figurehead, and we all know vice presidents
don't count. But any of these four people would survive
the next four years. We just don't know if Biden will.
And that's the problem. She would make the most logical choice,
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like I said, because one, she already understands the policy,
she knows the playbook, she can articulate it well. She's
actually off the cuff, pretty funny. And that's what you
kind of need. Remember, you need a position of both.
We could, in some senses, you could put the right
people around a person who don't understand the policies well
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and make them be all right. But the stuff that
you can't train is how she ain't seeing the wheels
on the bus go round and around. Right, was the
weirdest I just ain't never seen. And I know it
don't matter, but the problem is, yes it do. That's
that's what sucks about our system. Stuff that don't matter matters,
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And you can't just replace your headliner now if and
when we stuck with Joe. So here's my advice for
their strategy as a party. My first advice is, you
have this Sarah gets fallback. You have people that stump
for you, that are like, that's our dude, that's our
that's our guy, you know that, come out and say, no,
he's very sharp, he is our man. He's got so
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many years of experience. We're behind him because that feels
like cap because of what we saw.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (49:05):
So since I can't trust none of your surrogates because
I know what I saw, So if it were me,
I would say the first number one step is tell
every sarrogate to just check the tell it to tell
people to just check the scoreboard. Okay, say I'm not
even talking about that. The man can speak for himself.
Let's just look at the scoreboard and then you just
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start running down the scoreboard, right, and then equipped these
people with clips of Joe talking that talk, which means
every chance Joe has to pop out and talk that talk,
he need to talk his talk. It needs to be
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his voice. He needs to own what he did. Yeah,
dog got a bad day, and yeah I'm old, but
so is this nigga. But at least I'm old and
know what I'm talking about. You make sure that when
he so, that's it. So you make sure that every
saraghate knows to say. Joe can speak for himself. All
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I know is the scoreboard, and you start running down
the scoreboard. You start running down all the different wins
that he had, right, the infrastructure stuff, you feel me,
the scheduling of the weed.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
You start talking about the stuff that like should be
really easy to talk about, like, which is how I'm
not a felon. How if I listen, you ain't ask me.
I'm not looking for no governmental I'm not looking for
no presidential immunity. You don't need to because I do
the job well. And also listen, I love my son
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and I'm not gonna bend the courts. He's gonna take
responsibility for his actions.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
I love him.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
He made some horrible choices, and I'm gonna stick by
him all the whole time. He's got a loving, loving
family that will always be by his side no matter
how many mistakes he makes. And I understand how he
fell into that situation, just like a lot of Americans
who have fallen to opioid to who have fallen into drugs,
especially after going through such traumatic experiences, have If you've
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experienced lost the way my son experienced lost, man, you
know who among us wouldn't make you know? And we
all have family that have have made, you know, bad
choices in coping with tragedy that's beyond our imagination. It's
my son, and he's gonna have to deal with the
consequences of his choices, and I'm gonna be by his
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side the whole time.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
But I can't.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
I can't save him from his choices. I'm not gonna
lie for him, and he wouldn't want me to. He's
going to rehab, he's gonna he's gonna get himself better.
But he's also not running for president.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Easy enough to me.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
I don't have to turn myself into a pretzel to
try to explain away. January sixth, because again, if we
talk about what we saw you saying, believe your eyes
about me, believe your eyes about him. I don't understand
what y'all like. Blee your eyes about that. Like that
man told you who he is. You switch this object,
like what is we talking about? Whether Joe old or not?
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Of course he owed, but check the scoreboard.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
The man delivers. That's what you say.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
You start talking about his wisdom, and then Joe when
you pop out. Listen, here's how you coach this man
short answers, because it's when he starts to try to
fumble and explain something super complex, that's when he starts
losing his train of thought.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Short answers. Listen.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
I have done many a media training and I know
and I know that things will get chopped up. They're
gonna take a clip and you're gonna chop it up,
and pending on whether these people like me or not,
they gonna chop it up in a way that makes
me look either good or bad.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
So you make sure your answers are as.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
Short as possible, sweet as possible, and as concise as possible.
And you got to cure if you the team, you
got to curate that right, You got to make him
watch make him watch tapes. You feel me like like
we ween training right now, and just make him watch
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tapes of when Trump is talking and how to cut
him off and what to cut him off about. Remember
that a few weeks ago I gave y'all an example
about when Trump was asked about childcare and helping to
pay for that. He went off on the fact that
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Joe has never fired nobody. That should have been your
green light. So after he had his two minutes to talk,
all you have to do Joe is say, hey, I
was just waiting for.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Him to answer the question. He ain't answered the question,
so well, here's my answer. Then you give your answer,
which is about I told you in the other example.
You tell him.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
You tell him about you tell him about your plans
to hire minimum wage and the lower taxes for the
middle class because that health childcare costs so much because
you're not making enough and we're taxing you too, hide
so it's impossible. Plus the cost of health care is insane.
I'm trying to take all that off y'all's plates. And
if I took health care off your plates, you have
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to pay for that. If you don't have to pay
so much in taxes, and your childcare, even at the
price it's at now, would be affordable because you make
it more and it's not going out to stuff that
you shouldn't be having to pay for anyway. As a
matter of fact, you shouldn't have to pay for childcare anyway.
If you can't, we got money as the government, because again,
the budget is a moral document. You we're saying what
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we value, and what I'm trying to say is in
the Biden administration, we value our children. We value our families,
who value our children, We'll spend on that. But this
is to talk about who you're gonna fire or not,
Like I don't even know what you're talking about. You've
got like do y'all want to let him answer? Like,
go ahead and answer, this is my answer. Now, I
don't know what his plan is because he ain't told
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us that. I mean, like, then you just you put
the onus on him. Joe always on defense whenever they
talk the idea that like don't even acknowledge it, just
you acknowledge it in a way to make it look silly. Right,
So then as he talking about like the border, the border,
the border, the border. You know these people, these people
they stealing, they stealing, they stealing. It's like then you go, hey, homie,
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you're like a you only got one note, bro, Like
you think all the problems of America goes back to
the border.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Is that's your answer to everything? Is the border.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
That's the problem with everything, every everybody. So that's all right, man,
And then you say that seems pretty simple to me.
I found that this job is rather complicated and the
border is one of many things that we could do
better in. But if you just want to blame all
your problems on immigrants, I mean, I know somebody that
did that before.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
You just let it. You just let it, let it,
let it linger, let it linger, baby, and you just
don't get into it. And you say like, hey, so
so that's your answer, and then you start teasing it like, hey,
my answer is this.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
I know his answer is his answer is the border.
You know what I'm saying. So, like, let me tell
you what he gonna say. He gonna say the border.
You just trolling because that's all you say. Right like
I said before, whenever another question come up, you're gonna say, well,
I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I tell
you one thing, I know Trump gonna say, he gonna
say it's not his fault.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
He gonna say it's to everybody else's fault. You just
be wise and then tell the.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
Sarah Gates to be like, look at the scoreboard. And
then when they say, well, mister Biden, what is your answer, Well,
here's my answer. My answer is what we've already done.
It's what I'm in the middle of working all right now, scoreboard.
And then if you, Joe, you say, here's where we
messed up. Here's where we're gonna do better next time.
Here's what I'm gonna do to assuay y'all's concern about
my age. These are the people I'm bringing around me.
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I'm bringing some fresh breath around me and some fresh lung,
some good knees. I'm gonna bring some good knees around me.
And this is what we're gonna do. I'm gonna bring
my wisdom, and I'm gonna bring their youth, and we're
gonna make the most amazing cabinet ever.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
That's just like it seems so easy to me. That's
what you would say. You own it.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
Yeah, I'm the youngest dude. You know what I'm saying,
but I'm gonna bring a lot of wisdom. Now, you
look at these people around me. You see these young
folks out here, You see these sparks. Then you start
naming these people that are supposed to be the next up.
I'm talking to Gavin, I'm talking to Gretchen, and I'm
talking to Kamala like I'm talking to these people like I'm.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
Letting them tell me like this ain't This ain't a
one man show.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
Unlike this food. Don't want you to believe it. It's
not a one man show. I'm here for the team.
I know more around weaknesses are. That's why I hire
people that are good in the places that I need
some help. And where I need some help is my
bedtime ten thirty. Y'all make the joke about it, just
own it's since you're not.
Speaker 2 (57:43):
Gonna step down, that's the type of trash you need
to start talking. Now.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
If we're going back to the headliner show thing, then
yo two hour performance need to be an hour and
fifteen performance, and they need to be your greatest hits.
And you need to know to go sit down before
you start looking tired. This is only if you stay it.
You could be like, I'm too old for this, Let's
let the young things do it. But since you're not
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gonna do it, I get it. But at the end
of the day, the party is in a position where
even if you wanted to one of the hardest things
in the world, after you'dne sold all these tickets and
built all these billboards and made all them flyers switching
out headliners. Now, on the other hand, it could go
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where the crowd is actually proud of you. The crowd
is like, I'm glad, y'all, not thank you.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
Like we see it. Nobody wants to.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
See their stars lose a step. I don't want to see.
I don't want to see Beyonce that cane dance. I
don't want to see. I don't want to see it.
I want to remember her how I remember her so
so if you tell me, hey, look man, she can't
y'all gonna she can't do it, man, But she has
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hand picked the person. Like, think how powerful that is.
If Beyonce is like, I am handpicking the person these
three I would be so cool if any of these
three people. If she say I'll be down, I'll be down.
If loudo I'll be down. If Megan, I'll be down.
If Janey, Iiko, Jasmine Sulliman her, I'd be cool. If
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any of them came through, I.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
Would definitely buy them tickets. I don't know the slow Curl.
Speaker 1 (59:28):
If Billie Eilish, I'd be I would co sign any
of these ladies to come take care of it.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
This. Are they icon Queen Bays? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
But you know what if she was like, my knees
can't do it no more, and she said she'd be
cool with that, I think the crowd might be cool
with it.
Speaker 2 (59:47):
Or and of course you gonna lose. You gonna lose.
Speaker 1 (59:50):
People don't want their money back because that's not what
they paid for, you know. But some people might be like, hey,
I'm gonna keep supporting you because you did the right thing.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I don't know. I can't tell the future.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
I don't know what they've done, but I know this.
It's gonna be an ugly few months politics. All right, now,
(01:00:27):
don't you hit stop on this pod. You better listen
to these credits. I need you to finish this thing
so I can get the download numbers. Okay, so don't
stop it yet, but listen. This was recorded in East
Lost Boyle Heights by your Boy Propaganda. Tap in with
me at prop hip hop dot com. If you're in
(01:00:47):
the Coldbrew coffee we got Terraform Coldbrew. You can go
there dot com and use promo code hood get twenty
percent off get yourself some coffee. This was mixed, edited,
and mastered by your boy Matt Awsowski Killing the beat Softly.
Check out his website Mattowsowski dot com. I'm a spelling
for you because I know M A T T O
(01:01:10):
S O W s ki dot com Matdowsowski dot com.
He got more music and stuff like that on there,
so gonna check out The heat. Politics is a member
of cool Zone Media, executive produced by Sophie Lichterman, part
of the iHeartMedia podcast network. Your theme music and scoring
(01:01:30):
is also by the one and nobly Mattowsowski. Still killing
the beat softly, So listen, don't let nobody lie to you.
If you understand urban living, you understand politics. These people
is not smarter than you. We'll see y'all next week.
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