October 24, 2025 • 12 mins
I finally got around to listening to the Ezra Klein, Ta-Nehisi Coates discussion. In that discussion, Coates was able to put in to words the way I felt after hearing about the young Republicans group chat. He said "It's not that you know what Donald Trump is going to do. It's that you don't underestimate what you are up against."
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All media quote.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's not that you know what's going to happen, it's
that you don't underestimate what you're up against. I don't know, man,
Maybe you're the person in your group text that I
am in mind, you know, I mean, these roles obviously
are not fixed and set in stone.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
But you know, you got the being master, the jokester, the.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Inappropriate, you know, person that can't take nothing serious. You
feel me. And then there's the like novel writer. I'm
definitely not a novel writer. I am maybe what you
would probably guess me to be.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I am.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm the revolutionary, I am the alarmist. I am the
I don't think y'all taken understanding the severity our situation
in the country and the.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Struggles of the people.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I'm the one calling for the general striking Yanni because
not taking it serious. You know, I'm that dude, the
h rat Brown, like my mom used to call me,
h rat Brown was a black panther. Maybe because I'm
terminally online in a way that I really wish I
didn't have to be part of that is just because
of this job that I got.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
To be online more than I would really like to be.
But others of.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
It is I work in justice. These are things that
are so intimately intertwined into like my very personhood, my identity,
like I can't help but care in the way that
I care, and care deeply. That being said, it's not
that the homies don't care, you say, It's just they
(01:30):
don't talk about politics on the internet for a living.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Their brains have not been cooked.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I bring this up to say, finally, I think I've
been given a phrase that truly captures what I be
trying to say and how I actually feel. I finally
got around to listening to the Ezra Kline and Tanahasi
(01:56):
COT's interview, and what's crazy. It's like it's it's a
think piece about a think piece discussing a response to
a think piece. So the last thing you need is
another think piece. But in that convo, I feel like
Tana hose Coats gave me a phrase that explains exactly
how I feel. And that's what I want to tap
(02:18):
in with y'all with all right, here we go, tap
in with me.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
All right.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
So by the time you heard this, the endling experience
has already happened. I have not lived that part yet.
Hopefully it's sold out. We shall soon see. Anyway, I'm
pre emptying my thank you for y'all who pulled up,
so thank you now. Context of this Ezra Client, Tana
(02:56):
has quotes discussion that they had on the Ezra Client
is after in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination. What
Ezra Kline wrote was an opinion piece around just the
idea that like, okay, listen, clearly the Democrats have failed
(03:16):
in doing politics and winning the hearts and minds of
the culture, you know, And he was saying in a
lot of ways that like what Charlie Kirk was attempting
to do is this sort of like actually dialoguing, and
that's one thing that the Democrats stopped doing. We have ourt,
as Hillary Clinton so eloquently stated, the basket of deplorables
(03:41):
that it's just like it's not even worth engaging with them.
And what, as a client was arguing, is like, bro,
maybe that's maybe that's why we keep losing ground with
not only our constituents, but this is why we're not
winning anybody over, right, So maybe we need to start engaging.
And it's not so much whether I agree or disagree
with Charlie Kirk. It's that dialogue has died. You know,
(04:04):
we've already decided some people are just out out of bounds, right,
And in response to that, Tanahase Coach wrote a piece
in calling him the task in the sense that, like,
you know what the media does, the media is scrubbing,
sanitizing a person's legacy. Y'all need to stop doing that.
I mean, I mean, come on, like, what the what
(04:25):
the nerdy ass JD Van's talking about? Like, Yo, you
hear somebody speaking ill about Charlie Kirk after his death,
get them fired. You are not allowed to talk you Hey,
nobody talk about our boy.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
You know, I mean you was here. It wasn't along.
There wasn't that long time.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Ago when the culture was like, you are not a
don't you Joe, don't y'all say nothing about my baby,
whereas the rest of us was just like, your baby
was one of the most hate field people we'd have
never seen. Yo, your baby put a lot of lives
in danger. Your baby was the one that said that
the Civil rights movement might have or the Civil Rights
Act might have been a problem and not a Mike
(05:00):
is doing a lot of work in essence, it was
just like, look, man, like, don't scrub this man's legacy clean.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Just because you don't like how he died.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And I'm like you can hold both of those ideas,
but like listen, Ezra, like you're not helping the cause.
So since they're actually friends, they sat down and they
talk like okay, And if you know anything about Ezra Kline,
he is the quintessential white liberal Like I mean, it's
just like you are the avatar cause with sense enough
to know that like something has gone awry when this
(05:33):
much of our country would actually vote for and support,
not like on some like hold your nose styles, that's
like na wit the Trump shit. So it's not so
much that he's gone there, but it's more that he's
just like maybe we need to start running you know,
pro life democrats, Maybe we need to look at you know,
maybe we need to.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Play politics better.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
All that is background to set up how Tanakasi coach
was responding, and how he was responding was again like
he said, like I don't need you to sanitize this
man's legacy.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
That's not helping the movement.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Ezra was like, yo, like well what of dialogue? What
of winning people across across the table. Tana HASI was like, bro,
like what more can we do? Like I'm pulling from
my own legacy, like you telling me Ida b Wells
can can have done more?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Like I just know that there are.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Some conversations that are just out of bounds, Like I
know that the country didn't give us anything we fought
for it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, some stuff is just like I'm not going to
dialogue with you. This is not a worthy argument when
I feel like your words put my life, the life
of other peoples who are in marginalized group in dangerous
Like I don't I don't finna talk. I ain't gonna
talk to you like that. And then he expressed how
he doesn't believe that this is the worst moment the
country has ever been in. It's not that it's been worse.
(06:55):
And then he made this statement, which I thought was
really great. Is uh, just from in relation to our ancestors,
this is the best group of white people we ever had.
Like but anyway, I say all that to set up
the in light of the things like the Young Republicans
group text, the way that that washes over me as
(07:16):
a person of color and being the person that's speaking
the doomsday in my group chat. I'm pulling this quote
from Tanahasse because it is exactly how I feel. He said,
it's not that I know what's about to happen. It's
not that I know it. It's not that I know
Donald Trump will get his third election, because I'm the
(07:36):
guys in the group text saying he gonna run again,
saying he gonna try to end citizenship, you know, and
Auta Helm He's being like, bro, like the courts are
not gonna You're not gonna do this, Like it just
just trust me that the institutions are set up for this.
And I'm like, listen, you think I'm tripping. And it's
not that I'm saying I know what's gonna happen. It's
that I quote. It's that you don't underestimate what you're
(08:00):
up against. And that, my friend, is a word from
the Lord. When I saw that Young Republicans group text,
I was like, this is what I'm trying to say.
You say when I say the place is racist, is
loust with Nazis, therefore nothing you will do wi work.
It's what I'm saying, is I take these people serious.
(08:21):
I am not underestimating Trump's desire for power. I'm not
underestimating the length that Ice will go because it's not that. Again,
it's not that I know the future. It's just I'm
not underestimating you. I'm not underestimating even the level of
self hate a person of immigrant descent would have to
(08:45):
have to be okay with what our immigration policy is
doing right now. I don't underestimate that. I don't underestimate
your ability to hate yourself. I don't underestimate the depths
of serious into the core racism, sexism, and you know,
transphobia that truly exists in the halls of justice. I
(09:08):
just don't underestimate you. It's not that I know what's
gonna happen. Like listen, is this not hood politics? Look
at you don't underestimate nobody. When when somebody ready to
if they down the squabble love, you don't underestimate them
like blah, beat the brakes off. No, you talk like
you're gonna do that, but no, you take take every
threat serious like I take you serious.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I don't know what you got on you. I don't
know what homies you got in here. I take all
this serious you don't just people don't be playing games, right,
I don't know the future, but I'm taking you serious.
You pull a gun out on me, I'm gonna assume
you not playing. It's not that I know the future.
Like I said, I'm sitting here freely in a home
that this podcast paid for, writing books, writing raps, speaking
(09:54):
freely because sometimes things work out. But those things worked
out because my ancestors, my forefathers, they did not underestimate
the depths for which those that wanted to subjugate them
would attempt to keep them subjugated. So when I say
I am not interested in going on to any sort
(10:16):
of jubilee, you know, thirty to one thing, I'm not
gonna get on this person's podcast and debate with them.
It's not that I'm being closed minded. It's that or
I'm not. It's not that I'm saying I know what's
going to happen from this. But what I want, what
I don't want to do is I don't want to
assume that I am being spoken to of good faith,
(10:40):
or that even if I went to this went to
a place and I like just absolutely body slammed homeboy
with my rhetoric and logic. It just seems real trash
to me to take a clip of that and say,
watch prop utterly destroy a right wing cook. You know
what I'm saying, Like, I just I don't but I
(11:02):
don't put that past them. I don't underestimate them. So
when that group text came out, it's not that I'm
not shocked. It's not that I'm like, oh, I do
them niggas like that. It's that I just I don't
underestimate them, you know, because I mean, as we all know.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
The group text is the worst parts of you.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Woo who among us would not be destroyed if our
group text came out.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
But that being said, what's also in.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
My group text is a level of love and compassion
and truth and desire to see the world be better.
And you can like surge it as much as you won't.
Ain't no joke, Ain't no.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Jokes like that.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
But again, the point I'm trying to make is this,
I appreciate Tanahasi for giving me an hopefully you language
for how we actually feel. I'm not trying to be
an alarmist or a doom's day. I'm just not underestimating
what we're dealing with.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Tap me a whay,
All media quote.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's not that you know what's going to happen, it's
that you don't underestimate what you're up against. I don't know, man,
Maybe you're the person in your group text that I
am in mind, you know, I mean, these roles obviously
are not fixed and set in stone.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
But you know, you got the being master, the jokester, the.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Inappropriate, you know, person that can't take nothing serious. You
feel me. And then there's the like novel writer. I'm
definitely not a novel writer. I am maybe what you
would probably guess me to be.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I am.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm the revolutionary, I am the alarmist. I am the
I don't think y'all taken understanding the severity our situation
in the country and the.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Struggles of the people.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I'm the one calling for the general striking Yanni because
not taking it serious. You know, I'm that dude, the
h rat Brown, like my mom used to call me,
h rat Brown was a black panther. Maybe because I'm
terminally online in a way that I really wish I
didn't have to be part of that is just because
of this job that I got.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
To be online more than I would really like to be.
But others of.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
It is I work in justice. These are things that
are so intimately intertwined into like my very personhood, my identity,
like I can't help but care in the way that
I care, and care deeply. That being said, it's not
that the homies don't care, you say, It's just they
(01:30):
don't talk about politics on the internet for a living.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Their brains have not been cooked.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I bring this up to say, finally, I think I've
been given a phrase that truly captures what I be
trying to say and how I actually feel. I finally
got around to listening to the Ezra Kline and Tanahasi
(01:56):
COT's interview, and what's crazy. It's like it's it's a
think piece about a think piece discussing a response to
a think piece. So the last thing you need is
another think piece. But in that convo, I feel like
Tana hose Coats gave me a phrase that explains exactly
how I feel. And that's what I want to tap
(02:18):
in with y'all with all right, here we go, tap
in with me.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
All right.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
So by the time you heard this, the endling experience
has already happened. I have not lived that part yet.
Hopefully it's sold out. We shall soon see. Anyway, I'm
pre emptying my thank you for y'all who pulled up,
so thank you now. Context of this Ezra Client, Tana
(02:56):
has quotes discussion that they had on the Ezra Client
is after in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination. What
Ezra Kline wrote was an opinion piece around just the
idea that like, okay, listen, clearly the Democrats have failed
(03:16):
in doing politics and winning the hearts and minds of
the culture, you know, And he was saying in a
lot of ways that like what Charlie Kirk was attempting
to do is this sort of like actually dialoguing, and
that's one thing that the Democrats stopped doing. We have ourt,
as Hillary Clinton so eloquently stated, the basket of deplorables
(03:41):
that it's just like it's not even worth engaging with them.
And what, as a client was arguing, is like, bro,
maybe that's maybe that's why we keep losing ground with
not only our constituents, but this is why we're not
winning anybody over, right, So maybe we need to start engaging.
And it's not so much whether I agree or disagree
with Charlie Kirk. It's that dialogue has died. You know,
(04:04):
we've already decided some people are just out out of bounds, right,
And in response to that, Tanahase Coach wrote a piece
in calling him the task in the sense that, like,
you know what the media does, the media is scrubbing,
sanitizing a person's legacy. Y'all need to stop doing that.
I mean, I mean, come on, like, what the what
(04:25):
the nerdy ass JD Van's talking about? Like, Yo, you
hear somebody speaking ill about Charlie Kirk after his death,
get them fired. You are not allowed to talk you Hey,
nobody talk about our boy.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
You know, I mean you was here. It wasn't along.
There wasn't that long time.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Ago when the culture was like, you are not a
don't you Joe, don't y'all say nothing about my baby,
whereas the rest of us was just like, your baby
was one of the most hate field people we'd have
never seen. Yo, your baby put a lot of lives
in danger. Your baby was the one that said that
the Civil rights movement might have or the Civil Rights
Act might have been a problem and not a Mike
(05:00):
is doing a lot of work in essence, it was
just like, look, man, like, don't scrub this man's legacy clean.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Just because you don't like how he died.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And I'm like you can hold both of those ideas,
but like listen, Ezra, like you're not helping the cause.
So since they're actually friends, they sat down and they
talk like okay, And if you know anything about Ezra Kline,
he is the quintessential white liberal Like I mean, it's
just like you are the avatar cause with sense enough
to know that like something has gone awry when this
(05:33):
much of our country would actually vote for and support,
not like on some like hold your nose styles, that's
like na wit the Trump shit. So it's not so
much that he's gone there, but it's more that he's
just like maybe we need to start running you know,
pro life democrats, Maybe we need to look at you know,
maybe we need to.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Play politics better.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
All that is background to set up how Tanakasi coach
was responding, and how he was responding was again like
he said, like I don't need you to sanitize this
man's legacy.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
That's not helping the movement.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Ezra was like, yo, like well what of dialogue? What
of winning people across across the table. Tana HASI was like, bro,
like what more can we do? Like I'm pulling from
my own legacy, like you telling me Ida b Wells
can can have done more?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Like I just know that there are.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Some conversations that are just out of bounds, Like I
know that the country didn't give us anything we fought
for it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, some stuff is just like I'm not going to
dialogue with you. This is not a worthy argument when
I feel like your words put my life, the life
of other peoples who are in marginalized group in dangerous
Like I don't I don't finna talk. I ain't gonna
talk to you like that. And then he expressed how
he doesn't believe that this is the worst moment the
country has ever been in. It's not that it's been worse.
(06:55):
And then he made this statement, which I thought was
really great. Is uh, just from in relation to our ancestors,
this is the best group of white people we ever had.
Like but anyway, I say all that to set up
the in light of the things like the Young Republicans
group text, the way that that washes over me as
(07:16):
a person of color and being the person that's speaking
the doomsday in my group chat. I'm pulling this quote
from Tanahasse because it is exactly how I feel. He said,
it's not that I know what's about to happen. It's
not that I know it. It's not that I know
Donald Trump will get his third election, because I'm the
(07:36):
guys in the group text saying he gonna run again,
saying he gonna try to end citizenship, you know, and
Auta Helm He's being like, bro, like the courts are
not gonna You're not gonna do this, Like it just
just trust me that the institutions are set up for this.
And I'm like, listen, you think I'm tripping. And it's
not that I'm saying I know what's gonna happen. It's
that I quote. It's that you don't underestimate what you're
(08:00):
up against. And that, my friend, is a word from
the Lord. When I saw that Young Republicans group text,
I was like, this is what I'm trying to say.
You say when I say the place is racist, is
loust with Nazis, therefore nothing you will do wi work.
It's what I'm saying, is I take these people serious.
(08:21):
I am not underestimating Trump's desire for power. I'm not
underestimating the length that Ice will go because it's not that. Again,
it's not that I know the future. It's just I'm
not underestimating you. I'm not underestimating even the level of
self hate a person of immigrant descent would have to
(08:45):
have to be okay with what our immigration policy is
doing right now. I don't underestimate that. I don't underestimate
your ability to hate yourself. I don't underestimate the depths
of serious into the core racism, sexism, and you know,
transphobia that truly exists in the halls of justice. I
(09:08):
just don't underestimate you. It's not that I know what's
gonna happen. Like listen, is this not hood politics? Look
at you don't underestimate nobody. When when somebody ready to
if they down the squabble love, you don't underestimate them
like blah, beat the brakes off. No, you talk like
you're gonna do that, but no, you take take every
threat serious like I take you serious.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I don't know what you got on you. I don't
know what homies you got in here. I take all
this serious you don't just people don't be playing games, right,
I don't know the future, but I'm taking you serious.
You pull a gun out on me, I'm gonna assume
you not playing. It's not that I know the future.
Like I said, I'm sitting here freely in a home
that this podcast paid for, writing books, writing raps, speaking
(09:54):
freely because sometimes things work out. But those things worked
out because my ancestors, my forefathers, they did not underestimate
the depths for which those that wanted to subjugate them
would attempt to keep them subjugated. So when I say
I am not interested in going on to any sort
(10:16):
of jubilee, you know, thirty to one thing, I'm not
gonna get on this person's podcast and debate with them.
It's not that I'm being closed minded. It's that or
I'm not. It's not that I'm saying I know what's
going to happen from this. But what I want, what
I don't want to do is I don't want to
assume that I am being spoken to of good faith,
(10:40):
or that even if I went to this went to
a place and I like just absolutely body slammed homeboy
with my rhetoric and logic. It just seems real trash
to me to take a clip of that and say,
watch prop utterly destroy a right wing cook. You know
what I'm saying, Like, I just I don't but I
(11:02):
don't put that past them. I don't underestimate them. So
when that group text came out, it's not that I'm
not shocked. It's not that I'm like, oh, I do
them niggas like that. It's that I just I don't
underestimate them, you know, because I mean, as we all know.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
The group text is the worst parts of you.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Woo who among us would not be destroyed if our
group text came out.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
But that being said, what's also in.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
My group text is a level of love and compassion
and truth and desire to see the world be better.
And you can like surge it as much as you won't.
Ain't no joke, Ain't no.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Jokes like that.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
But again, the point I'm trying to make is this,
I appreciate Tanahasi for giving me an hopefully you language
for how we actually feel. I'm not trying to be
an alarmist or a doom's day. I'm just not underestimating
what we're dealing with.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Tap me a whay,
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